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Haddad","fernando-haddad","Mi entrevistada de hoy es periodista, ha sido diputada federal y estatal y candidata a vicepresidenta de la República.",10.38,17.5,19,false,{"idx":16,"utterance_id":17,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":18,"start_s":19,"end_s":20,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},1,"72446","Sea muy bienvenida, Manuela da Vila.",17.68,19.54,6,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":24,"speaker_name":25,"text":26,"start_s":27,"end_s":28,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},2,"72447","Desconhecido","¿Todo bien?",19.6,19.98,{"idx":30,"utterance_id":31,"speaker_name":25,"text":32,"start_s":33,"end_s":34,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},3,"72448","Qué bueno estar aquí.",20.08,20.98,4,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":37,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":38,"start_s":39,"end_s":40,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},"72449","Es bueno estar aquí también.",21.02,21.72,{"idx":42,"utterance_id":43,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":44,"start_s":45,"end_s":46,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},5,"72450","Déjame hablar un poco de la coyuntura.",21.86,25.1,7,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":49,"speaker_name":25,"text":50,"start_s":51,"end_s":52,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},"72451","Un beso.",25.84,27.38,{"idx":47,"utterance_id":54,"speaker_name":25,"text":55,"start_s":56,"end_s":57,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},"72452","Es tan bueno no recordar que estamos en este país maravilloso.",27.42,30.64,12,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":61,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":62,"start_s":63,"end_s":64,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},8,"72453","Pero quiero tu opinión sobre lo que está pasando en varias áreas, empezando por la educación.",30.68,35.18,17,{"idx":67,"utterance_id":68,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":69,"start_s":70,"end_s":71,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},9,"72454","Realmente no sabemos lo que quiere el gobierno.",37.58,40.04,10,{"idx":72,"utterance_id":74,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":75,"start_s":76,"end_s":77,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},"72455","En prácticamente todas las áreas.",40.08,42.74,{"idx":79,"utterance_id":80,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":81,"start_s":82,"end_s":83,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},11,"72456","Es curioso notar que ningún ministerio tiene un programa organizado.",45.66,50.72,{"idx":58,"utterance_id":85,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":86,"start_s":87,"end_s":88,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},"72457","Hablaban de Guedes; con Guedes no sabes si está a favor del techo, en contra del techo, a favor de la CPMF, en contra de la CPMF.",51.56,56.68,25,{"idx":91,"utterance_id":92,"speaker_name":25,"text":93,"start_s":94,"end_s":95,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},13,"72458","Si tiene palabra o no la tiene, porque dice una cosa.",56.74,59.08,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":102,"indexable":14},14,"72459","Es increíble, o sea, ni siquiera el área económica, que supuestamente cuenta con técnicos absolutamente bien formados, entonces no sabes hacia dónde está yendo esto.",59.12,68.3,28,{"idx":104,"utterance_id":105,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":106,"start_s":107,"end_s":108,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},15,"72460","Pero en el área social eso es más dramático.",69.04,71.36,{"idx":110,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":115,"indexable":14},16,"72461","Y volviendo a la educación, que es tu puerta de entrada a la política, ¿ya tienes una evaluación sobre el lanzamiento de ese programa al que ninguna universidad aún se ha adherido?",71.94,85.8,30,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":117,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":118,"start_s":119,"end_s":120,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},"72462","Y me temo que...",86.1,87,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":123,"speaker_name":25,"text":124,"start_s":125,"end_s":126,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},18,"72463","Ninguna se adherirá.",87.42,88.08,{"idx":13,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},"72464","No estoy segura, son 63, es difícil afirmar que ninguna se va a adherir.",88.56,93.34,{"idx":133,"utterance_id":134,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":135,"start_s":136,"end_s":137,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},20,"72465","¿Pero qué te parece?",93.92,95.06,{"idx":139,"utterance_id":140,"speaker_name":25,"text":141,"start_s":142,"end_s":143,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},21,"72466","Es un conjunto de personas, es un remedo de gobierno que él fue juntando, personas que aceptaban encajar en su discurso.",95.3,101.54,22,{"idx":144,"utterance_id":146,"speaker_name":25,"text":147,"start_s":148,"end_s":149,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},"72467","Y su discurso es un discurso desconectado.",101.96,104.3,{"idx":151,"utterance_id":152,"speaker_name":25,"text":153,"start_s":154,"end_s":155,"word_count":156,"indexable":14},23,"72468","O sea, alguien que dice que el Mais Médicos va a ser extinguido porque los médicos cubanos, que están avalados en todo el mundo por la propia ONU, son agentes socialistas infiltrados, ¿quién, aun con un proyecto serio de salud pública, se adherirá?",104.58,118.6,40,{"idx":158,"utterance_id":159,"speaker_name":25,"text":160,"start_s":161,"end_s":162,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},24,"72469","a ese gobierno.",119.02,119.76,{"idx":89,"utterance_id":164,"speaker_name":25,"text":165,"start_s":166,"end_s":167,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},"72470","Entonces, es difícil que personas que tienen una visión incluso distinta a la nuestra se conecten con ideas tan desconectadas de la realidad, de la vida real del pueblo brasileño.",119.82,132.52,27,{"idx":170,"utterance_id":171,"speaker_name":25,"text":172,"start_s":173,"end_s":174,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},26,"72471","Pero creo que existe un hilo conductor, aunque desordenado, que es la destrucción de Brasil.",133.04,137.24,{"idx":168,"utterance_id":176,"speaker_name":25,"text":177,"start_s":178,"end_s":179,"word_count":102,"indexable":14},"72472","Vemos que es la crisis mundial, Adade, las naciones se están reorganizando para enfrentar una crisis que es profunda, que ya dura más de una década.",138.22,145.4,{"idx":102,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":25,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},"72473","¿Cuál es el papel de las economías?",146.02,147.76,{"idx":186,"utterance_id":187,"speaker_name":25,"text":188,"start_s":189,"end_s":190,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},29,"72474","Hay un papel destinado a Brasil en el gobierno de Bolsonaro, que es el papel de una colonia, una nueva colonia.",148.54,152.92,{"idx":115,"utterance_id":192,"speaker_name":25,"text":193,"start_s":194,"end_s":195,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},"72475","Entonces, toma la reforma laboral y la reforma de la Seguridad Social.",153.52,156.3,{"idx":197,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":25,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},31,"72476","¿En qué situación quedan los trabajadores brasileños?",156.54,158.84,{"idx":203,"utterance_id":204,"speaker_name":25,"text":205,"start_s":206,"end_s":207,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},32,"72477","En situación de semiesclavitud.",159.22,160.56,{"idx":209,"utterance_id":210,"speaker_name":25,"text":211,"start_s":212,"end_s":213,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},33,"72478","¿Cómo vive un trabajador europeo?",160.94,162.6,{"idx":215,"utterance_id":216,"speaker_name":25,"text":217,"start_s":218,"end_s":219,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},34,"72479","¿Cuál es la condición, cuál es la jornada laboral de ese trabajador comparada con la nuestra?",163.74,167.22,{"idx":221,"utterance_id":222,"speaker_name":25,"text":223,"start_s":224,"end_s":225,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},35,"72480","Principalmente después de las dos reformas.",167.46,169.42,{"idx":227,"utterance_id":228,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":229,"start_s":230,"end_s":231,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},36,"72481","Observa que después de la reforma laboral, que supuestamente... ¿Generaría empleos formales?",170.42,176.56,{"idx":233,"utterance_id":234,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":235,"start_s":236,"end_s":237,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},37,"72482","No.",176.96,177.1,{"idx":239,"utterance_id":240,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":241,"start_s":242,"end_s":243,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},38,"72483","Lo que ocurrió fue un récord de creación de empleos informales.",177.14,180.5,{"idx":245,"utterance_id":246,"speaker_name":25,"text":247,"start_s":248,"end_s":249,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},39,"72484","De informalidad, con todo el impacto que eso tiene en la Seguridad Social.",180.76,183.24,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":251,"speaker_name":25,"text":252,"start_s":253,"end_s":254,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},"72485","Es decir, el ciclo negativo.",183.46,184.94,{"idx":256,"utterance_id":257,"speaker_name":25,"text":258,"start_s":259,"end_s":260,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},41,"72486","Entonces, por un lado, tienes la destrucción del trabajo.",185.62,189.12,{"idx":262,"utterance_id":263,"speaker_name":25,"text":264,"start_s":265,"end_s":266,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},42,"72487","Y la destrucción de la universidad es pieza clave en la destrucción del país.",189.36,193.98,{"idx":268,"utterance_id":269,"speaker_name":25,"text":270,"start_s":271,"end_s":272,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},43,"72488","Porque, ¿qué perspectiva existe para que un país se desarrolle si no produce ciencia?",194.08,198.74,{"idx":274,"utterance_id":275,"speaker_name":25,"text":276,"start_s":277,"end_s":278,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},44,"72489","Y la ciencia básica brasileña se produce en la universidad pública.",199.32,202.84,{"idx":280,"utterance_id":281,"speaker_name":25,"text":282,"start_s":283,"end_s":284,"word_count":158,"indexable":14},45,"72490","Entonces, la universidad en Brasil, a diferencia de los Estados Unidos, que incluso con dinero público, los liberales brasileños mienten diciendo que no es con dinero público.",203.24,210.68,{"idx":286,"utterance_id":287,"speaker_name":25,"text":288,"start_s":289,"end_s":290,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},46,"72491","Sí, es con dinero público.",211.12,212.16,{"idx":292,"utterance_id":293,"speaker_name":25,"text":294,"start_s":295,"end_s":296,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},47,"72492","Pero el dinero público no está destinado a las universidades para la producción de ciencia.",212.54,216.88,{"idx":298,"utterance_id":299,"speaker_name":25,"text":300,"start_s":301,"end_s":302,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},48,"72493","Es otro formato.",217.26,218,{"idx":304,"utterance_id":305,"speaker_name":25,"text":306,"start_s":307,"end_s":308,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},49,"72494","En Brasil, no.",218.36,219,{"idx":310,"utterance_id":311,"speaker_name":25,"text":312,"start_s":313,"end_s":314,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},50,"72495","En Brasil, la ciencia básica se produce en la universidad.",219.44,221.62,{"idx":316,"utterance_id":317,"speaker_name":25,"text":318,"start_s":319,"end_s":320,"word_count":321,"indexable":14},51,"72496","¿Se puede imaginar una nación desarrollándose hoy en el mundo, con toda la disputa tecnológica, con la... con la búsqueda de que deberíamos estar pensando en cómo hacer eso, en cómo pensar en una industria nueva, la reanudación de la actividad industrial de Brasil y las nuevas industrias que podrían, de lo que hay de nuevo en el mundo, sin tecnología, para eso necesitan destruir la universidad?",222.06,243.26,64,{"idx":323,"utterance_id":324,"speaker_name":25,"text":325,"start_s":326,"end_s":327,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},52,"72497","Con respecto al Futurice, ves que ellos tienen dos movimientos simultáneos en las universidades.",244.22,248.98,{"idx":329,"utterance_id":330,"speaker_name":25,"text":331,"start_s":332,"end_s":333,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},53,"72498","Por un lado, lanzan el Futurice, que dicen que es para viabilizar financieramente a las instituciones.",249.04,254.74,{"idx":335,"utterance_id":336,"speaker_name":25,"text":337,"start_s":338,"end_s":339,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},54,"72499","Lo que ellos... actúan por otro lado nombrando rectores fuera de la lista tríplice.",255.98,261.38,{"idx":341,"utterance_id":342,"speaker_name":25,"text":343,"start_s":344,"end_s":345,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},55,"72500","¿Por qué?",262.14,262.4,{"idx":347,"utterance_id":348,"speaker_name":25,"text":349,"start_s":350,"end_s":351,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},56,"72501","Para quebrar la autonomía universitaria.",262.5,264.22,{"idx":353,"utterance_id":354,"speaker_name":25,"text":355,"start_s":356,"end_s":357,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},57,"72502","Entonces, ya tenemos en la frontera, en la Universidade da Fronteira, una de nuestras nuevas universidades, un interventor.",264.56,270.04,{"idx":359,"utterance_id":360,"speaker_name":25,"text":361,"start_s":362,"end_s":363,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},58,"72503","¿Cuál puede ser el siguiente paso?",270.6,272.02,{"idx":365,"utterance_id":366,"speaker_name":25,"text":367,"start_s":368,"end_s":369,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},59,"72504","¿Puede ser faltarle el respeto a los consejos universitarios para imponer sus normas?",272.12,276.68,{"idx":371,"utterance_id":372,"speaker_name":25,"text":373,"start_s":374,"end_s":375,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},60,"72505","Puede, tal vez pueda.",277.42,278.64,{"idx":377,"utterance_id":378,"speaker_name":25,"text":379,"start_s":380,"end_s":381,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},61,"72506","Ellos están, poco a poco, intentando deconstruir lo que nosotros construimos.",279.12,283.96,{"idx":383,"utterance_id":384,"speaker_name":25,"text":385,"start_s":386,"end_s":387,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},62,"72507","Ayer, hoy, el ministro ya dijo: nuestro problema no es el salario, porque la mensualidad no va a pagar.",285.16,289.92,{"idx":389,"utterance_id":390,"speaker_name":25,"text":391,"start_s":392,"end_s":393,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},63,"72508","Entonces, ¿cuál es el problema realmente?",289.96,291.62,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":25,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},"72509","El verdadero problema es la destrucción de la universidad.",291.68,293.58,{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":25,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},65,"72510","Porque dice que cobra en el Futurice para financiar.",294.12,298.36,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":25,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},66,"72511","Al día siguiente dice que eso no resuelve.",299.04,301.86,{"idx":412,"utterance_id":413,"speaker_name":25,"text":414,"start_s":415,"end_s":416,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},67,"72512","¿Para qué sirve esa destrucción?",303.3,304.66,{"idx":418,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":25,"text":420,"start_s":421,"end_s":422,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},68,"72513","Es para destruir la ciencia brasileña, nuestra posibilidad de poder desarrollarnos.",304.9,308.42,{"idx":424,"utterance_id":425,"speaker_name":25,"text":426,"start_s":427,"end_s":428,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},69,"72514","Entonces, para mí, Bolsonaro llegó a decir eso: yo no vine para construir, yo vine para destruir.",308.88,312.7,{"idx":430,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":25,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},70,"72515","Es decir, ese es el proyecto para mí.",313.76,315.02,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":25,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},71,"72516","Todo ese remedo.",315.42,316.48,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":443,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":444,"start_s":445,"end_s":446,"word_count":203,"indexable":14},72,"72517","Bueno, además de la educación, tenemos problemas en otras áreas igual de graves, y citaría tres otros ministerios para hablar de los más evidentes: relaciones exteriores, derechos humanos y medio ambiente.",317.68,332.42,{"idx":448,"utterance_id":449,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":450,"start_s":451,"end_s":452,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},73,"72518","Quiero decir, es prácticamente imposible hojear un periódico en un día en que estos asuntos no estén siendo tratados con preocupación.",333.18,344.76,{"idx":454,"utterance_id":455,"speaker_name":25,"text":456,"start_s":457,"end_s":458,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},74,"72519","En Brasil y en el mundo, sobre nuestra situación.",345.22,347.06,{"idx":460,"utterance_id":461,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":462,"start_s":463,"end_s":464,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},75,"72520","Lo curioso es que el mundo empezó a prestar atención a Brasil por los problemas.",347.1,352.3,{"idx":466,"utterance_id":467,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":468,"start_s":469,"end_s":470,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},76,"72521","Bolsonaro no es respetado en ningún lugar, culpa a la prensa por eso, que está haciendo una cobertura, de la cual él incluso puede defenderse, porque nadie le está negando espacio; él ocupa el espacio que quiera.",353.78,365.9,{"idx":472,"utterance_id":473,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":474,"start_s":475,"end_s":476,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},77,"72522","De esas áreas, ¿cuáles te preocupan más?",366.92,372.28,{"idx":478,"utterance_id":479,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":480,"start_s":481,"end_s":482,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},78,"72523","¿Qué opinas?",372.74,373.48,{"idx":484,"utterance_id":485,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":486,"start_s":487,"end_s":488,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},79,"72524","Que el medio ambiente, por ejemplo... Creo que están muy conectadas, ¿no?",373.52,375.96,{"idx":490,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":25,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},80,"72525","Porque, por ejemplo, este tema ambiental es realmente un tema de alta complejidad.",376.04,380.68,{"idx":496,"utterance_id":497,"speaker_name":25,"text":498,"start_s":499,"end_s":500,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},81,"72526","Mira bien, tenemos a Venezuela, que tiene la situación, hay una situación tensa en nuestra región.",381,386.74,{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":25,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":197,"indexable":14},82,"72527","Brasil tiene una tradición en el área de relaciones exteriores, desde Rio Branco y luego, desde la Guerra del Paraguay, sin ninguna... Buscando preservar la paz en la región, tiene esa tradición.",387.22,400.62,{"idx":508,"utterance_id":509,"speaker_name":25,"text":510,"start_s":511,"end_s":512,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},83,"72528","En la propia Venezuela, por dos o tres veces, gestionaban soluciones pacíficas para la región, por interés de paz, pero también por la preservación de la región amazónica en paz.",401.02,412.28,{"idx":514,"utterance_id":515,"speaker_name":25,"text":516,"start_s":517,"end_s":518,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},84,"72529","La Amazonía es la mayor biodiversidad del planeta, la mayor reserva de agua potable.",412.74,417.74,{"idx":520,"utterance_id":521,"speaker_name":25,"text":522,"start_s":523,"end_s":524,"word_count":310,"indexable":14},85,"72530","Entonces, la guerra o... Las turbulencias internacionales que Bolsonaro promueve junto con su socio de arriba, el I love you, el presidente de los Estados Unidos, al que él quiere mucho, y el I love you en inglés es bastante íntimo, tiene incluso esa complejidad, no es un gustar en portugués.",418.1,435.38,{"idx":526,"utterance_id":527,"speaker_name":25,"text":528,"start_s":529,"end_s":530,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},86,"72531","Pero esa postura internacional tiene un impacto en nuestra soberanía, pero también tiene un impacto en la cuestión ambiental, que es la región amazónica, y esto puede ser, digamos... o es la mayor amenaza inminente dada por el conjunto de tropiezos y por la relación hombre-hombre, la marcación hombre-hombre establecida por su hijo como presidente de los Estados Unidos.",435.76,460.4,{"idx":120,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":25,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},"72532","Entonces, creo que están muy conectadas.",460.68,462.72,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":25,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},88,"72533","De la misma forma, en esa misma región, su agenda es una agenda de enfrentamiento.",463.04,468.28,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":25,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},89,"72534","y de violencia contra las poblaciones originarias, los pueblos ribereños, las comunidades indígenas.",468.82,473.86,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":25,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},90,"72535","Por eso, es imposible imaginar que esta política esté disociada.",474.26,477.84,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":25,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":186,"indexable":14},91,"72536","La Amazonía es medio ambiente, forma parte de la agenda internacional de Bolsonaro, y para que él pueda ejecutar lo que quiere, necesita diezmar a los pueblos que se encuentran resistiendo allí.",478.22,487.96,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":25,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},92,"72537","Creo que eso está muy conectado.",488.44,489.88,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":25,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},93,"72538","Por eso el mundo también presta tanta atención.",489.92,492.04,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":25,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},94,"72539","Para mí, fue emblemática una declaración irónica del presidente de Francia.",492.68,496.84,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":25,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":239,"indexable":14},95,"72540","en la que dice que Bolsonaro no tiene la menor condición de lidiar, ni siquiera la educación básica para lidiar con cualquier persona y también con el presidente de otra república, en la que él dice: intenté respetar su soberanía.",497.84,508.8,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":25,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},96,"72541","No sé si te diste cuenta de eso.",509.54,511.08,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":25,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},97,"72542","Es un video en el que él está conversando con el presidente de Chile y con la canciller alemana.",511.98,516.58,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":25,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},98,"72543","Y él dice así: el absurdo que dijo sobre mi esposa.",517.28,519.7,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":25,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},99,"72544","¿Sabes que él se fue a hacerse el pelo mientras mi ministro de Relaciones Exteriores fue a hablar con él?",521.16,525.88,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":25,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},100,"72545","Mira, estoy intentando respetar la soberanía de Brasil.",526.32,528.8,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":25,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},101,"72546","Entonces, ¿por qué eso?",529.68,530.5,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":25,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},102,"72547","Porque nosotros estamos... Nuestra lucha también...",530.72,534.34,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},103,"72548","Es como si él y Bolsonaro no tuvieran respeto.",534.4,536.74,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":25,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},104,"72549","Claro, exactamente.",536.78,537.32,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":25,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},105,"72550","Entonces, en el período reciente, nosotros también nos reafirmamos como nación.",537.98,541.36,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":25,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":102,"indexable":14},106,"72551","Derrotamos la ALCA, nuestro gobierno, salimos del FMI, logramos mantener la paz respetando la soberanía de las naciones de América del Sur, de nuestras naciones cercanas.",541.78,554.2,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":25,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},107,"72552","Pero el mundo vive tensiones permanentes.",554.74,556.92,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":25,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},108,"72553","Entonces, Francia no es santa.",557.28,558.82,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":25,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},109,"72554","¿Cuál es el pasado reciente de Francia?",559.18,560.54,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":25,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},110,"72555","Es el pasado colonial.",560.58,561.48,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":25,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},111,"72556","Entonces, provoca peleas en un mundo de conflictos.",562.04,566.6,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":25,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},112,"72557","No estamos en un mundo de paz.",566.88,568.32,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":25,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":256,"indexable":14},113,"72558","Estamos en un mundo de conflictos, estamos en un mundo en el que Europa, que vivió el fascismo hace menos de 70 años, prohíbe que embarcaciones con mujeres y niños atraquen en sus puertos y que sus marineros presten socorro.",568.86,582.64,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":25,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},114,"72559","Nunca en la historia de la humanidad se ha prohibido a un marinero prestar socorro.",583.16,587.14,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":25,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},115,"72560","Ese es el mundo, ese es el grado de conflictos.",587.94,589.88,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":25,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":115,"indexable":14},116,"72561","Entonces, todo el mundo quiere la Amazonía, es obvio que todo el mundo la quiere, y es por eso mismo que Brasil tiene que ser altivo y cuidar lo que es suyo.",589.98,597.12,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":25,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},117,"72562","Y tener una política ambiental adecuada para sí y para el mundo, con responsabilidad sobre ello.",597.78,603.84,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},118,"72563","Bueno, usted está recorriendo el país, usted fue candidata a presidenta, luego me dio el honor de tenerla como candidata a vicepresidenta de nuestra fórmula.",603.88,611.2,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},119,"72564","Fuimos a la segunda vuelta.",612.36,613.58,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},120,"72565","Quería hablar un poquito de la campaña, de cuál fue tu experiencia en la campaña.",614.54,621.12,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},121,"72566","Usted sufrió, creo que en el balance general, usted sufrió más noticias falsas que yo.",621.46,626.48,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},122,"72567","También creo.",626.52,627.5,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},123,"72568","Usted sufrió mucho las noticias falsas.",627.58,628.88,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},124,"72569","Recibimos los informes.",628.92,630.22,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":25,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":102,"indexable":14},125,"72570","Yo digo así: es difícil convencer al pueblo de que un hombre de 1,90 m, blanco, de São Paulo, con cara de artista de cine, hiciera algo malo.",631.38,639.5,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":25,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},126,"72571","Porque yo tengo más cara.",639.58,641.24,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":25,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},127,"72572","No, pero era más difícil.",641.68,642.82,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":25,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},128,"72573","Era más difícil.",642.9,643.5,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":25,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},129,"72574","Era más difícil, porque tiene que ver con eso.",643.54,645.66,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},130,"72575","Hay una CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) sobre noticias falsas instalada.",646.4,649.22,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},131,"72576","El TSE (Tribunal Superior Electoral) está sufriendo presiones para dar alguna respuesta a los procesos que están... avanzando, parece tener poca disposición para enfrentar una investigación seria sobre el asunto.",649.82,662.46,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},132,"72577","Esto involucra empresas internacionales poderosísimas, porque WhatsApp, Facebook e Instagram son empresas mundiales.",662.98,675.3,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},133,"72578","Facebook fue recientemente multado en 5 mil millones de dólares a causa de su relación promiscua.",676.02,683.6,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},134,"72579","Con Cambridge Analytica.",684.26,685.76,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},135,"72580","¿Cómo fue vivir la campaña?",687.56,688.8,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":102,"indexable":14},136,"72581","Porque sé que también hubo un lado bueno, que vivimos, pero sé que usted padeció con una campaña como nunca se vio en Brasil.",688.84,698.18,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},137,"72582","Ni contra mí, ni contra Marina, ni contra nadie.",699.56,701.64,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},138,"72583","Creo que nadie pasó por eso.",702.16,703.3,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},139,"72584","Quisiera que aprovechara esta oportunidad para hablar un poco de eso.",703.46,707.36,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":25,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},140,"72585","Primero que fue una experiencia fantástica.",708.32,710.02,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":25,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},141,"72586","Los dos tuvimos una oportunidad increíble.",710.1,712.14,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":25,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},142,"72587","No es poca cosa.",712.54,713.48,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":25,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},143,"72588","tener ese encuentro con el pueblo brasileño que tuvimos.",713.94,716.26,{"idx":873,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":25,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":280,"indexable":14},144,"72589","Nuestro pueblo es muy generoso, si cerramos los ojos y tratamos de situarnos en lo que es la belleza de este país, en lo que es el cariño que las personas dan genuinamente ante tantas dificultades, hay muchas más cosas buenas que cosas malas.",716.32,729.78,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":25,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":227,"indexable":14},145,"72590","Y también es muy honorable representar esa esperanza, fue una elección muy polarizada, muy difícil, entonces nosotros también representamos, digamos, los sentimientos más nobles que las personas llevan dentro de sí: sueño, esperanza, voluntad de derrotar.",730.54,744.5,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":25,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},146,"72591","Las personas renunciaron, muchas de ellas, a opiniones contra nuestros partidos para sumarse en un esfuerzo antifascista en defensa de la democracia.",745.02,754.1,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":25,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},147,"72592","Para mí, son cosas muy importantes que representamos, que tuvimos la oportunidad de representar.",754.46,758.98,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":25,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},148,"72593","Pero también fue muy difícil.",759.76,761.7,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":25,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},149,"72594","Para mí siempre ha sido muy difícil ser mujer en la política.",762.64,764.64,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":25,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},150,"72595","Y, en cierto sentido, esta fue la elección en la que fui menos sola siendo mujer en la política.",765.46,770.78,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":25,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},151,"72596","Tal vez pueda parecer contradictorio, pero no lo es. Las cosas que vivía tenían una intensidad menor, pero era mucho más solitaria.",771.18,782.1,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":25,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":158,"indexable":14},152,"72597","El movimiento de mujeres hoy también... hace que al menos yo tenga el derecho de hablar sobre lo que enfrento, ¿tú entiendes?",782.52,789.46,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":25,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},153,"72598","Y eso creó un ambiente mejor.",790.02,792.3,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":25,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},154,"72599","Me aferré mucho, tuve suerte, porque no está planeado, entonces solo puedo atribuirlo a la suerte o a una bendición, ¿no?",792.88,799.8,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":25,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":268,"indexable":14},155,"72600","De tener una hija muy pequeña durante la elección, entonces Laura hizo que estuviera obligada a cuidar mi salud mental, porque apenas Laura nació, percibí lo que eran las noticias falsas, quizás antes que otros, desgraciadamente.",800.42,813.56,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":25,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},156,"72601","Porque cuando estaba embarazada, construyeron una mentira de que había hecho el ajuar en Miami con dinero público.",814.14,820.46,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":25,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},157,"72602","Ni siquiera conozco Miami.",820.92,821.84,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":25,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},158,"72603","Y fue la primera vez que me equivoqué muy feo en internet.",822.9,825.22,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":25,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},159,"72604","Porque pensé que no necesitaba desmentir, porque para mí era obvio.",825.5,828.16,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":25,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},160,"72605","No conocía Miami, no había hecho ajuar.",828.2,830.06,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":25,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},161,"72606","Entonces eran dos mentiras.",830.52,831.64,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":25,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},162,"72607","Y cuando volví a Brasil del viaje que estaba haciendo, vi que la gente discutía si yo podía hacer el ajuar o no.",832.04,838.78,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":25,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},163,"72608","Es decir, tú estarías defendiendo mi derecho a ir a Estados Unidos y los que estaban en contra de mí, que yo no podía ir.",839.32,843.78,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":25,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},164,"72609","Pero ya no existía espacio para la verdad, que yo no conocía esa ciudad, que nunca había ido allí.",844.1,847.98,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":25,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},165,"72610","Entonces me topé con la llamada posverdad.",848.54,850.74,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":25,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},166,"72611","Ya no existía espacio para mí.",851.34,852.38,{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":25,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},167,"72612","Eso fue en 2015.",852.42,853.74,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":25,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":347,"indexable":14},168,"72613","Poco después, Laura tenía 45 días y ella fue golpeada por una persona en un show de Duca, porque una mujer adulta dijo que ella no podía estar envuelta en una tela que no hubiera sido comprada en Cuba o en Corea del Norte, porque yo había hecho un ajuar en Miami.",853.94,869.38,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":25,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},169,"72614","Entonces, más o menos me fui formando, fui percibiendo lo que estaba sucediendo, desgraciadamente, en mi propia piel.",869.84,877.22,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":25,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},170,"72615","Entonces, eso es dos años antes, ¿tú entiendes, Haddad?",877.76,879.88,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":25,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},171,"72616","En 2016, en Porto Alegre, el coordinador de la campaña del PMDB, Plínio, se suicidó.",880.48,885.48,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":25,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},172,"72617","Por la persecución de esos grupos organizados en internet, según su familia.",886.1,890.84,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":25,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},173,"72618","Entonces fui hilando en mi cabeza, fui entendiendo un asunto que ya trabajaba, que era Internet, y fui viendo cómo esos grupos organizados y ampliamente financiados fomentaban reacciones inimaginables en personas desorganizadas.",891.48,907.58,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":25,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},174,"72619","Una especie de lobos solitarios.",907.82,910.86,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":25,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},175,"72620","Es obvio que esa mujer que me golpeó no era organizada, no fue enviada por nadie.",911.38,915.28,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":25,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},176,"72621","Pero ella hizo eso.",916.34,917.86,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":25,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},177,"72622","De la misma manera que nadie quería que Plínio se matara, pero nadie sabe cuál es el límite de alguien.",918.36,922.16,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":25,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},178,"72623","Conviví toda la vida con Jean, en la Cámara de Diputados, entonces también vi el proceso de destrucción de su honra.",922.92,928.56,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":25,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},179,"72624","Entonces, en cierto sentido, creo que llegué preparada para enfrentar lo que enfrenté en 2018.",928.6,933.92,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":25,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},180,"72625","Viéndolo, tomé la decisión, así, consciente de que tenía que hacer eso también para librarnos de esto, de ese odio, de lo que estaban construyendo.",934.76,945.26,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":25,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":115,"indexable":14},181,"72626","Pero fue horrible, hasta hoy, a veces la gente... Hubo un sacerdote que defendió mi excomunión por un video editado que probamos en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que estaba editado.",945.76,955.68,{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":25,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},182,"72627","Yo nunca difundí imágenes religiosas mías porque creo que es un absurdo confundir política con religión.",956.92,961.52,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":25,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},183,"72628","Yo combato eso, combato la mezcla de política con religión.",961.98,965.54,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":25,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},184,"72629","Y además, nadie nunca va a pensar que yo la difundí; fueron ellos los que difundieron una imagen que tomaron de mí.",966.26,971.04,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":25,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},185,"72630","Y logramos probar que era una edición hecha por ellos.",971.52,973.78,{"idx":1125,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":25,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},186,"72631","Y hasta hoy hay gente que me agrede por eso.",974.2,976.6,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":25,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},187,"72632","Hace unos días estaba pasando y toda mi vida cambió.",977,979.86,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":25,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},188,"72633","Tengo una vida, ni siquiera me doy cuenta, pero tengo toda una vida cambiada por causa de lo que inventaron sobre mí.",980.6,985.36,{"idx":1143,"utterance_id":1144,"speaker_name":25,"text":1145,"start_s":1146,"end_s":1147,"word_count":256,"indexable":14},189,"72634","Aquel día estaba bajando del coche, domingo a las seis de la tarde, hay una iglesia cerca de mi casa, pensé que tenía un montón de cosas en la cabeza; lo mejor sería quedarme ahora en un lugar, concentrada en la misa.",985.78,996.16,{"idx":1149,"utterance_id":1150,"speaker_name":25,"text":1151,"start_s":1152,"end_s":1153,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},190,"72635","Tuve miedo de bajar.",996.74,997.6,{"idx":1155,"utterance_id":1156,"speaker_name":25,"text":1157,"start_s":1158,"end_s":1159,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},191,"72636","Dije: ¿cómo voy a bajar aquí, gente?",998.22,999.44,{"idx":1161,"utterance_id":1162,"speaker_name":25,"text":1163,"start_s":1164,"end_s":1165,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},192,"72637","¿Puedo ser apaleada?",999.48,1000.4,{"idx":1167,"utterance_id":1168,"speaker_name":25,"text":1169,"start_s":1170,"end_s":1171,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},193,"72638","No sé qué iglesia es, no conozco al sacerdote.",1001.46,1003.14,{"idx":1173,"utterance_id":1174,"speaker_name":25,"text":1175,"start_s":1176,"end_s":1177,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},194,"72639","Normalmente, ¿qué haría?",1004.02,1005.46,{"idx":1179,"utterance_id":1180,"speaker_name":25,"text":1181,"start_s":1182,"end_s":1183,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},195,"72640","Haría lo que he hecho durante toda mi vida.",1005.94,1007.42,{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":25,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},196,"72641","Voy a cualquier lugar, me iba a sentar en un rinconcito, no voy a misa para aparecer, me iba a sentar atrás y me iba a quedar, ¿no?",1007.5,1013.38,{"idx":1191,"utterance_id":1192,"speaker_name":25,"text":1193,"start_s":1194,"end_s":1195,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},197,"72642","Y después me iría.",1013.72,1014.44,{"idx":1197,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":25,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},198,"72643","¿No?",1015.26,1015.38,{"idx":1203,"utterance_id":1204,"speaker_name":25,"text":1205,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},199,"72644","Ok.",1015.96,1016.04,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":25,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},200,"72645","En serio, no es un acto, ¿no?",1016.54,1017.62,{"idx":1215,"utterance_id":1216,"speaker_name":25,"text":1217,"start_s":1218,"end_s":1219,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},201,"72646","Cambió todo.",1018.88,1019.46,{"idx":1221,"utterance_id":1222,"speaker_name":25,"text":1223,"start_s":1224,"end_s":1225,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},202,"72647","Hoy usted tiene que hacer una cuenta que no hace.",1020.2,1021.82,{"idx":1227,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":25,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},203,"72648","Organizo toda mi vida a partir de eso.",1021.86,1024.3,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":25,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},204,"72649","Entonces, evito determinados lugares.",1024.64,1027.4,{"idx":1239,"utterance_id":1240,"speaker_name":25,"text":1241,"start_s":1242,"end_s":1243,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},205,"72650","Al final, fui cambiando todo.",1028.48,1030.86,{"idx":1245,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":25,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},206,"72651","Laura es una niña que ahora ya entiende.",1031.12,1033.06,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":25,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},207,"72652","Ella lo tiene muy claro, que hay personas que nos odian.",1034.54,1037.48,{"idx":1257,"utterance_id":1258,"speaker_name":25,"text":1259,"start_s":1260,"end_s":1261,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},208,"72653","Es horrible, ¿no?",1038.12,1038.66,{"idx":1263,"utterance_id":1264,"speaker_name":25,"text":1265,"start_s":1266,"end_s":1267,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},209,"72654","Entonces ella pregunta si ya ocurrió el episodio de Felipe Neto.",1038.74,1040.98,{"idx":1269,"utterance_id":1270,"speaker_name":25,"text":1271,"start_s":1272,"end_s":1273,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},210,"72655","¿Conoces a Felipe Neto?",1041.44,1042.32,{"idx":1275,"utterance_id":1276,"speaker_name":25,"text":1277,"start_s":1278,"end_s":1279,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},211,"72656","Fue divertidísimo.",1042.78,1043.72,{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":25,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},212,"72657","Ella me vio hablando con él y dijo: '¿Es Felipe Neto?'",1044.08,1046.72,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":25,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},213,"72658","¿Ella tiene?",1047.54,1048.08,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":25,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},214,"72659","Y yo: '¿es el hermano de Lucas Neto?'",1048.56,1050.44,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":25,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},215,"72660","Porque él tiene un hermano que hace un programa infantil.",1050.5,1052.36,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":25,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},216,"72661","Entonces yo dije: 'es ella'.",1052.9,1053.78,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":25,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},217,"72662","¿Entonces a ellos les gustamos?",1054.42,1055.92,{"idx":302,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":25,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},"72663","Ella debía pasarse horas con eso en la cabeza.",1056.86,1058.92,{"idx":308,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":25,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},"72664","Vaya, ellos no son de los que nos odian, estamos autorizados.",1059.02,1062.2,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":25,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},220,"72665","Entonces, ¿puedo ir a su casa, él no nos odia?",1062.66,1064.98,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":25,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},221,"72666","Yo dije: no.",1065.46,1065.9,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":25,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},222,"72667","Entonces, esos días ella estaba loca por saber si Bolsonaro odiaba a nuestra gata también.",1066.62,1070.88,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":25,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},223,"72668","Si las personas odiaban además...",1071.56,1072.7,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":25,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},224,"72669","Si se extendía a los animales de la casa.",1072.74,1074.06,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":25,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},225,"72670","Si se extendía, ella me odia.",1074.24,1076,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":25,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},226,"72671","Él te odia, ella ve a las personas agrediéndome.",1076.6,1078.62,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},227,"72672","Sabes que creo que ellos no se gustan entre sí.",1078.74,1081,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":25,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},228,"72673","Sí, yo también creo, pero bueno, tenemos una diferencia grande, que es el nivel de violencia física que sufro por las fake news.",1081.72,1089.7,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":25,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},229,"72674","Porque, en general, los hombres organizados en esos grupos no agreden a otros hombres.",1090.56,1098.9,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":25,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},230,"72675","Entonces, soy una persona que es agredida físicamente por eso, de forma rutinaria.",1099.58,1105.1,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":25,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},231,"72676","Y, sobre todo, cuando estoy con Laura, porque son muy cobardes.",1105.58,1109.14,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":25,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":115,"indexable":14},232,"72677","Entonces, pues, tienen un radar para saber cuál es tu momento más frágil, porque es obvio que si aparece cualquier persona y yo estoy sola, estoy sola.",1110.26,1119.6,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":25,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},233,"72678","Es una reacción que voy a tener, ¿no?",1120.04,1121.26,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":25,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},234,"72679","Si estoy con un niño, mi objetivo no es enfrentar políticamente a alguien, es hacer que el niño no comprenda lo que está pasando.",1121.78,1127.56,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":25,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},235,"72680","Y proteger al niño.",1127.6,1128.54,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":25,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},236,"72681","Y protegerla físicamente, inclusive de ellos, ¿no?",1128.6,1130.72,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":25,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":186,"indexable":14},237,"72682","Entonces, en fin, pero nosotros también los vamos a vencer, porque el odio es un sentimiento... Es potente, es estridente, pero el amor, aunque silencioso, es más fuerte que eso.",1130.76,1141.54,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},238,"72683","Has notado, yo he notado un gran cambio en... Es lo que dijiste.",1142.34,1147.78,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":156,"indexable":14},239,"72684","Veo que esas milicias, esas nuevas milicias que se han constituido, que no son solo las milicias que llamamos milicias, sino la milicia del comportamiento, del patrullaje, ellas... son mucho más agresivas respecto a las mujeres.",1149.64,1166.68,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},240,"72685","Lo veo porque la presidenta de mi partido es una mujer.",1167.32,1170.2,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":203,"indexable":14},241,"72686","Veo que en relación con ella, como estás prestando aquí una aclaración, como es mucho más agresiva en virtud de esta cobardía, es casi un corolario de la ideología de estas personas.",1170.9,1186.52,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},242,"72687","Esa cobardía es una consecuencia natural.",1186.58,1188.68,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},243,"72688","Ahora, ¿no has notado un cambio para mejor?",1189.92,1192.34,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},244,"72689","¿No crees que este año, en virtud de tantas revelaciones...?",1192.74,1197.76,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},245,"72690","La verdad va saliendo.",1198.52,1200.3,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},246,"72691","Creo que a nivel masivo, sí.",1200.34,1202.62,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":25,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},247,"72692","Pero son menos y más radicalizados.",1203.56,1206.02,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":25,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},248,"72693","¿Crees que se están yendo a un gueto más... Creo que ese es el objetivo, incluso, del presidente de la República.",1206.4,1212.36,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":25,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},249,"72694","Creo que, por ejemplo, la declaración de Janot de decir que fue armado enfrentar a Gilmar Mendes es para dialogar.",1212.98,1219.28,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":25,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},250,"72695","con una fracción menor, pero más radicalizada de ellos.",1219.72,1222.98,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":25,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},251,"72696","Es una especie de Turquía.",1223.62,1225.38,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":25,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},252,"72697","Vamos a hacer aquí nuestro segmento, puede ser del 20%, puede ser del 15%, pero está bloqueado y radicalizado.",1225.6,1233.74,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":25,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},253,"72698","Entonces, sí, en el gran público hay mucho menos apelación a sus ideas, y las encuestas ya identifican eso, su caída.",1233.9,1245.02,{"idx":1531,"utterance_id":1532,"speaker_name":25,"text":1533,"start_s":1534,"end_s":1535,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},254,"72699","Pero su grupo es cada vez más radical.",1245.38,1248.1,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":25,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},255,"72700","Hay una razón que explica por qué nosotras las mujeres, así como los negros y negras, y los LGBTs, somos más blanco de las fake news.",1249.1,1258.36,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":25,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},256,"72701","Es porque las fake news necesitan alguna base, algún colchón que las legitime.",1258.42,1264.74,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":25,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},257,"72702","Y el odio, los prejuicios son ese colchón en nuestro país.",1265.2,1268.78,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":25,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},258,"72703","Entonces, en Europa, en general, versan sobre temas relacionados con refugiados.",1269.08,1273.66,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":25,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},259,"72704","Aquí, somos un país racista.",1274.88,1276.96,{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":25,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},260,"72705","y con ese componente nuevo de la LGBTfobia o de la intolerancia religiosa muy elevada, intentan combinar eso.",1278.54,1285,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":25,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":227,"indexable":14},261,"72706","Cuando creamos el instituto de investigación que yo creé de acción contra las fake news, siempre decimos que combatimos fake news y odio, porque no existe nada que esté disociado del otro.",1285.42,1296.32,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":25,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},262,"72707","Cuando van a crear una fake news sobre Glenn, por ejemplo, del Intercept, el tema nunca es Glenn, siempre tiene relación con su sexualidad.",1296.66,1305.36,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":25,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":186,"indexable":14},263,"72708","Y tú miras la zona de comentarios, siempre es así: ese maricón nunca se relaciona con el periodista, con el trabajo, con el episodio, con el premiado, o con cómo hizo la conexión.",1306.08,1317.42,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":25,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},264,"72709","Nunca es técnico.",1317.84,1319.02,{"idx":1597,"utterance_id":1598,"speaker_name":25,"text":1599,"start_s":1600,"end_s":1601,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},265,"72710","Siempre es la homofobia lo que motiva que compartan ese contenido.",1319.44,1323.28,{"idx":1603,"utterance_id":1604,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1605,"start_s":1606,"end_s":1607,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},266,"72711","Tuviste una actitud muy valiente.",1323.4,1326.16,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},267,"72712","Estabas viajando cuando estalló la crisis del Intercept, que fue la revelación de la Vasa Jato.",1326.2,1332.74,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},268,"72713","que ha aportado información de interés público incuestionable.",1333.6,1338.7,{"idx":1621,"utterance_id":1622,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1623,"start_s":1624,"end_s":1625,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},269,"72714","La gente sabe mejor hoy de lo que sabía hace tres o cuatro meses.",1339.46,1343.62,{"idx":1627,"utterance_id":1628,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1629,"start_s":1630,"end_s":1631,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},270,"72715","Lo que está ocurriendo de hecho en Brasil.",1344.1,1347.4,{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":158,"indexable":14},271,"72716","Y tú, como fuiste movilizada por la persona que tenía el material, que probablemente fue quien hackeó los teléfonos, entregaste tu celular.",1348.22,1361.7,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":262,"indexable":14},272,"72717","Y dijiste: mira, no tengo absolutamente nada que temer, cumplí rigurosamente mi obligación profesional, no le debo nada a nadie, aquí está mi celular, no hace falta pedir la quiebra del secreto, no necesita que ningún juez autorice aquello que yo considero legítimo que la autoridad investigue.",1362.68,1378.38,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},273,"72718","Eso no fue seguido por ningún miembro de la fuerza de tarea.",1379.46,1383.64,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},274,"72719","¿Cómo evalúas eso?",1385.8,1387.14,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},275,"72720","¿Ante qué estamos, al fin y al cabo?",1388.14,1390.72,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},276,"72721","¿Qué es un Estado paralelo?",1390.8,1392.92,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},277,"72722","¿Qué se está creando en Brasil?",1393.58,1395.16,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},278,"72723","Porque tú hablabas de la verdad.",1395.24,1397.14,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},279,"72724","Empezamos a preocuparnos mucho cuando nos damos cuenta de que la verdad no cala.",1399.66,1404.54,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":25,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},280,"72725","Ya no existe una idea de verdad.",1404.96,1407.26,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},281,"72726","La edad no pega.",1407.74,1408.76,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},282,"72727","Tú dices así: mira, no estoy discutiendo si tengo o no el derecho de ir a Miami.",1409.08,1413.92,{"idx":1705,"utterance_id":1706,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1707,"start_s":1708,"end_s":1709,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},283,"72728","Estoy diciendo que no fui.",1413.96,1415.12,{"idx":1711,"utterance_id":1712,"speaker_name":25,"text":1713,"start_s":1714,"end_s":1715,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},284,"72729","No conozco la ciudad.",1415.22,1416.5,{"idx":1717,"utterance_id":1718,"speaker_name":25,"text":1719,"start_s":1720,"end_s":1721,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},285,"72730","No quiero debatir si puedo conocerla.",1416.54,1419.92,{"idx":1723,"utterance_id":1724,"speaker_name":25,"text":1725,"start_s":1726,"end_s":1727,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},286,"72731","Incluso porque...",1420.18,1420.94,{"idx":1729,"utterance_id":1730,"speaker_name":25,"text":1731,"start_s":1732,"end_s":1733,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},287,"72732","Puedo ir, pero no fui.",1421.56,1423.56,{"idx":1735,"utterance_id":1736,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1737,"start_s":1738,"end_s":1739,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},288,"72733","Pues sí. La otra cosa que está herida de muerte es la justicia, que depende de la verdad.",1424.28,1432.22,{"idx":1741,"utterance_id":1742,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1743,"start_s":1744,"end_s":1745,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},289,"72734","No hace justicia si no tienes acceso a los hechos, acceso a la realidad de los hechos.",1433.64,1440,{"idx":1747,"utterance_id":1748,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1749,"start_s":1750,"end_s":1751,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},290,"72735","Entonces la justicia es una segunda víctima de la muerte de la verdad, porque no hay justicia sin verdad.",1440.3,1446.94,{"idx":1753,"utterance_id":1754,"speaker_name":25,"text":1755,"start_s":1756,"end_s":1757,"word_count":209,"indexable":14},291,"72736","Y ella, en verdad, en mi interpretación, es responsable por la muerte de la verdad, porque debería... Los países con sistemas judiciales más sólidos tienen mediadores de lo que es verdad y de lo que es mentira.",1446.98,1458.66,{"idx":1759,"utterance_id":1760,"speaker_name":25,"text":1761,"start_s":1762,"end_s":1763,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},292,"72737","Digo que gané una acción en el poder judicial y la gente me dice \"¿qué poder judicial?\"",1459.08,1463,{"idx":1765,"utterance_id":1766,"speaker_name":25,"text":1767,"start_s":1768,"end_s":1769,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},293,"72738","¿Qué miente?",1463.26,1463.8,{"idx":1771,"utterance_id":1772,"speaker_name":25,"text":1773,"start_s":1774,"end_s":1775,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},294,"72739","¿El que encarceló a Lula injustamente?",1464,1465.42,{"idx":1777,"utterance_id":1778,"speaker_name":25,"text":1779,"start_s":1780,"end_s":1781,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},295,"72740","¿Ese que me estás diciendo ahora vale?",1465.8,1467.08,{"idx":1783,"utterance_id":1784,"speaker_name":25,"text":1785,"start_s":1786,"end_s":1787,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},296,"72741","Es decir, han deconstruido, incluso, la mediación de la idea de lo que es verdad y mentira, que podría corresponderles a ellos en la sociedad.",1467.72,1473.64,{"idx":1789,"utterance_id":1790,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1791,"start_s":1792,"end_s":1793,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},297,"72742","¿Cómo se hace política en... Por ejemplo, se discute la posibilidad de que te postules el año que viene.",1473.82,1480.1,{"idx":1795,"utterance_id":1796,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1797,"start_s":1798,"end_s":1799,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},298,"72743","Tú, además, lideras las encuestas allá en Porto Alegre.",1480.52,1483.52,{"idx":1801,"utterance_id":1802,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1803,"start_s":1804,"end_s":1805,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},299,"72744","¿Cómo se afronta eso?",1484.88,1485.92,{"idx":1807,"utterance_id":1808,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1809,"start_s":1810,"end_s":1811,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},300,"72745","¿Cómo se hace política con eso?",1485.96,1487.52,{"idx":1813,"utterance_id":1814,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1815,"start_s":1816,"end_s":1817,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},301,"72746","¿Cómo se combate un sistema que destrozó la posibilidad de un diálogo franco?",1487.56,1495.34,{"idx":1819,"utterance_id":1820,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1821,"start_s":1822,"end_s":1823,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},302,"72747","¿Cómo se afronta, siendo mujer, habiendo sido atacada por las fake news más horrendas?",1495.64,1502.64,{"idx":1825,"utterance_id":1826,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1827,"start_s":1828,"end_s":1829,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},303,"72748","Teniendo una hija pequeña, teniendo una familia, teniendo una trayectoria de éxito, ¿cómo se afronta eso?",1503.08,1510.14,{"idx":1831,"utterance_id":1832,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1833,"start_s":1834,"end_s":1835,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},304,"72749","¿Cómo se va a la lucha en un ambiente tan deteriorado?",1510.18,1513.34,{"idx":1837,"utterance_id":1838,"speaker_name":25,"text":1839,"start_s":1840,"end_s":1841,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},305,"72750","Primero, creo que la defensa de las instituciones es una bandera nuestra.",1514.44,1517.56,{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":25,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},306,"72751","Ellos realmente quieren destruir.",1517.78,1519.2,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":25,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},307,"72752","Y existe algo peor.",1519.36,1520.56,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":25,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},308,"72753","incluso peor que lo que ya vivimos, que es el fin, la ausencia de lo que quedó, por así decir.",1521.4,1526.96,{"idx":1861,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":25,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":186,"indexable":14},309,"72754","Y Bolsonaro insiste en destruir aún más esas instituciones, y eso tiene relación con las decisiones que tomé en el caso de lo que se conoció como Vaza Jato.",1527.32,1536.12,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":25,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},310,"72755","Cuando la persona me contactó, que no sé si es la persona detenida o no, porque no la vi, así que solo hablé con ella.",1536.8,1543.26,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":25,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},311,"72756","por escrito, entonces cuando ella me contactó queriendo transmitir... Fueron varios mensajes por escrito, ¿no?",1544.32,1549.44,{"idx":1879,"utterance_id":1880,"speaker_name":25,"text":1881,"start_s":1882,"end_s":1883,"word_count":442,"indexable":14},312,"72757","Diciendo que quería pasarme el contenido, que tenía contenido relacionado con crímenes de autoridades del Estado brasileño, sabía que no había nada malo, soy periodista, así que podía recibir el contenido, pero lo primero que pensé fue: tengo que pasar... Este contenido a alguien que tenga más condiciones de comprobar la legitimidad, porque no es fácil distribuir contenido que puede quebrar las instituciones brasileñas.",1550.12,1576.46,{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":25,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},313,"72758","Claro.",1576.66,1576.92,{"idx":1891,"utterance_id":1892,"speaker_name":25,"text":1893,"start_s":1894,"end_s":1895,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},314,"72759","Si no es verdadero, entonces tiene que ser lo mejor.",1577.2,1579.22,{"idx":1897,"utterance_id":1898,"speaker_name":25,"text":1899,"start_s":1900,"end_s":1901,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},315,"72760","¿Quién es el mejor en eso?",1579.5,1580.82,{"idx":1903,"utterance_id":1904,"speaker_name":25,"text":1905,"start_s":1906,"end_s":1907,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},316,"72761","Entonces, por eso sugerí a Glenn.",1581.54,1583.58,{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":25,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},317,"72762","¿Quién es la persona que más tiene condiciones de ver si esto es verdad, si esos documentos son legítimos y que tiene responsabilidad para hacerlo?",1583.88,1591.6,{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":25,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},318,"72763","Alguien que tiene una visión, que no es una visión de oba-oba, voy a poner todo en Twitter mañana para hacerme famoso.",1591.86,1596.58,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},319,"72764","Es decir, verificar la veracidad.",1597.34,1598.74,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":25,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},320,"72765","Exactamente, entonces mi plan no era así.",1598.8,1600.5,{"idx":1933,"utterance_id":1934,"speaker_name":25,"text":1935,"start_s":1936,"end_s":1937,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},321,"72766","Las conversaciones, y esas conversaciones están todas en manos de la policía desde hace mucho tiempo.",1601.5,1604.52,{"idx":1939,"utterance_id":1940,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1941,"start_s":1942,"end_s":1943,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},322,"72767","Fueron todas preservadas.",1604.56,1605.7,{"idx":1945,"utterance_id":1946,"speaker_name":25,"text":1947,"start_s":1948,"end_s":1949,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},323,"72768","Fueron preservadas por mí.",1605.96,1607.24,{"idx":1951,"utterance_id":1952,"speaker_name":25,"text":1953,"start_s":1954,"end_s":1955,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},324,"72769","Por ti.",1607.3,1608.32,{"idx":1957,"utterance_id":1958,"speaker_name":25,"text":1959,"start_s":1960,"end_s":1961,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},325,"72770","immediatamente tengo crímenes de autoridades, yo compruebo toda la farsa de la Lava Jato.",1608.98,1612.9,{"idx":1963,"utterance_id":1964,"speaker_name":25,"text":1965,"start_s":1966,"end_s":1967,"word_count":221,"indexable":14},326,"72771","Es obvio que Manuela es militante, la persona me dice: 'tengo aquí todos los crímenes de la Lava Jato, crímenes cometidos por autoridades involucradas en la Lava Jato', ¿qué hace la persona con eso?",1613.24,1623.52,{"idx":1969,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":25,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},327,"72772","Pensé: no, primero puede ser un montaje.",1623.6,1625.9,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":25,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},328,"72773","Contra mí.",1626.34,1626.74,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":25,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},329,"72774","Pero si no lo es, descartada esa hipótesis, hace falta alguien que tenga responsabilidad.",1627.1,1631.62,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":25,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},330,"72775","Y estructura.",1631.96,1633.22,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":25,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":58,"indexable":14},331,"72776","Y estructura, pero también responsabilidad con lo que son las instituciones brasileñas.",1633.28,1637.6,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":25,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},332,"72777","No se puede seguir jugando con este desorden que hay.",1637.64,1639.86,{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":25,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},333,"72778","Por eso elegí a Glenn.",1640.04,1641.24,{"idx":2011,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":25,"text":2013,"start_s":2014,"end_s":2015,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},334,"72779","Y la entrega del teléfono también tiene que ver con eso.",1641.28,1643.38,{"idx":2017,"utterance_id":2018,"speaker_name":25,"text":343,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},335,"72780",1643.94,1644.22,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":25,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},336,"72781","Porque tengo que... ¿Quién puede mediar eso?",1644.38,1648.14,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":25,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},337,"72782","Tengo un teléfono que demuestra que él me contactó, que dijo 'no quiero dinero'.",1648.2,1653.22,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":25,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},338,"72783","¿Él dice eso?",1654.28,1654.9,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":25,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},339,"72784","Obvio, está todo escrito.",1655.1,1656.02,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":25,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},340,"72785","No quiero dinero, no soy de izquierda, tengo aquí crímenes de autoridades de tal y tal órgano y quiero transmitírtelos.",1656.44,1663.74,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":25,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},341,"72786","Y yo dije: no quiero recibir.",1664.06,1665.32,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":25,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},342,"72787","Me quedé conversando, no voy a recibir.",1666.1,1667.34,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":25,"text":2066,"start_s":2067,"end_s":2068,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},343,"72788","¿Quizás Glenn?",1668.36,1669.04,{"idx":2070,"utterance_id":2071,"speaker_name":25,"text":2072,"start_s":2073,"end_s":2074,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},344,"72789","Está ahí.",1669.46,1669.78,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":25,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},345,"72790","Entonces está todo escrito, todo documentado.",1670.86,1672.84,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":25,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},346,"72791","Voy, ¿qué puedo hacer?",1673.46,1675.56,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":25,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},347,"72792","Lo único que puedo hacer es creer de verdad.",1676.2,1680.3,{"idx":2094,"utterance_id":2095,"speaker_name":25,"text":2096,"start_s":2097,"end_s":2098,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},348,"72793","con toda la interferencia política de Moro en todo lo que hay y que sabemos, en una Policía Federal que estaba conduciendo la investigación y que hasta entonces se mostró 'ok' en su trato conmigo.",1682.48,1695.74,{"idx":2100,"utterance_id":2101,"speaker_name":25,"text":2102,"start_s":2103,"end_s":2104,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},349,"72794","¿Ya fuiste oída?",1696.6,1697.7,{"idx":2106,"utterance_id":2107,"speaker_name":25,"text":2108,"start_s":2109,"end_s":2110,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},350,"72795","Y sí, entregué el teléfono.",1697.8,1698.54,{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":25,"text":2114,"start_s":2115,"end_s":2116,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},351,"72796","¿Respetuosamente?",1698.78,1699.74,{"idx":2118,"utterance_id":2119,"speaker_name":25,"text":2120,"start_s":2121,"end_s":2122,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},352,"72797","Respetuosamente.",1699.84,1700.32,{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":25,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},353,"72798","Entonces, ¿qué hice?",1700.36,1700.94,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":25,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},354,"72799","Entregué.",1700.98,1701.26,{"idx":2136,"utterance_id":2137,"speaker_name":25,"text":2138,"start_s":2139,"end_s":2140,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},355,"72800","Dije: estoy diciendo la verdad.",1701.34,1702.5,{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":25,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},356,"72801","Tengo pruebas, es evidente que tenía esas pruebas físicas.",1702.94,1705.8,{"idx":2148,"utterance_id":2149,"speaker_name":25,"text":2150,"start_s":2151,"end_s":2152,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},357,"72802","Materialidad, ¿no?",1705.84,1706.6,{"idx":2154,"utterance_id":2155,"speaker_name":25,"text":2156,"start_s":2157,"end_s":2158,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},358,"72803","Pero quiero probar que la prueba material coincide con lo que hay dentro del teléfono.",1706.64,1710.84,{"idx":2160,"utterance_id":2161,"speaker_name":25,"text":2162,"start_s":2163,"end_s":2164,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},359,"72804","Es mi palabra.",1711.58,1712.3,{"idx":2166,"utterance_id":2167,"speaker_name":25,"text":2168,"start_s":2169,"end_s":2170,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},360,"72805","Sé que para el Estado no basta mi palabra.",1713.22,1715.2,{"idx":2172,"utterance_id":2173,"speaker_name":25,"text":2174,"start_s":2175,"end_s":2176,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},361,"72806","Entonces, esto es lo que prueba mi palabra.",1715.34,1719.02,{"idx":2178,"utterance_id":2179,"speaker_name":25,"text":2180,"start_s":2181,"end_s":2182,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},362,"72807","Entonces fui, estuve nueve horas en la Policía Federal.",1719.4,1721.22,{"idx":2184,"utterance_id":2185,"speaker_name":25,"text":2186,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2188,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},363,"72808","¿Nueve horas?",1721.44,1722.14,{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":25,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},364,"72809","Declarando como testigo voluntaria, porque mi celular también fue invadido por él.",1722.28,1726.92,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":25,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},365,"72810","Entonces, al mismo tiempo, los fiscales dicen que fueron invadidos, pero si no entregan el celular para pericia, nadie sabe si fueron invadidos.",1727.4,1735.86,{"idx":2202,"utterance_id":2203,"speaker_name":25,"text":1887,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},366,"72811",1736.62,1736.86,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":25,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},367,"72812","Entonces ellos tampoco ayudan a la policía.",1737.34,1739.22,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":25,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},368,"72813","Y hoy se sabe que efectivamente...",1739.84,1741.92,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":25,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},369,"72814","Todo el mundo lo sabe.",1742.3,1743.02,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":25,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},370,"72815","Ya hay comprobaciones de las más diversas.",1743.1,1745.56,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":25,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},371,"72816","Sí.",1745.62,1745.8,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":25,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},372,"72817","Entonces quieren entorpecer la investigación.",1746.32,1748.76,{"idx":2243,"utterance_id":2244,"speaker_name":25,"text":343,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},373,"72818",1749.16,1749.44,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":25,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},374,"72819","Porque la investigación, tal como se está conduciendo, comprueba la veracidad de los mensajes.",1749.7,1754.58,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":25,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},375,"72820","¿Por qué, Haddad?",1754.98,1755.68,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":25,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},376,"72821","En la vida real, al comprobarse, como se comprobará, que él no quiso dinero.",1756.46,1763.68,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":25,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},377,"72822","Eso está en sus mensajes conmigo, imagino que también esté en los de Glenn, porque yo presenté a los dos.",1764.12,1768.64,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":25,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},378,"72823","Que él no quiso dinero, él responderá por el delito que cometió.",1769.08,1771.84,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":25,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},379,"72824","Lo que la derecha quiere es que sigamos debatiendo esto, ¿cierto?",1772.7,1776,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":25,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},380,"72825","Pero ese debate está resuelto.",1776.16,1778.3,{"idx":499,"utterance_id":2290,"speaker_name":25,"text":2291,"start_s":2292,"end_s":2293,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},"72826","¿La policía aprendió?",1778.64,1779.28,{"idx":2295,"utterance_id":2296,"speaker_name":25,"text":2297,"start_s":2298,"end_s":2299,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},382,"72827","¿Va a responder por el delito?",1779.62,1780.6,{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":25,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},383,"72828","¿Va a ver que el periodista hizo su trabajo de periodista?",1781.16,1784.44,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":25,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},384,"72829","¿Cuál es el asunto aquí?",1784.8,1785.74,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":25,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":286,"indexable":14},385,"72830","El asunto es la destrucción de las instituciones promovida por hombres que se vendieron... que se vendieron como justicieros y que, además de tener un objetivo político —la destrucción del presidente Lula con su prisión, de nuestros partidos, de nuestro campo— tenían intereses políticos propios.",1785.92,1806.4,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":25,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},386,"72831","Porque antes decíamos, antes del Vaza Jato, decíamos así: la Operación Lava Jato es política, quieren acabar con la izquierda.",1807,1813.2,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":25,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},387,"72832","Ahora sabemos que querían acabar con la izquierda y asumir el poder.",1813.34,1815.96,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":25,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},388,"72833","Ahí está Moro en el Ministerio de Justicia y Dallagnol hablándose a sí mismo, en esa sesión de terapia animada que tiene consigo mismo.",1816,1821.9,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":25,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},389,"72834","Me recuerda a ese personaje del Psicólogo, que ahora hemos descubierto también que es la madre la que le manda.",1822.34,1826.18,{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":25,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},390,"72835","Ahí están los mensajes.",1827.04,1828.1,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":25,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},391,"72836","Norman Bates.",1829.34,1829.96,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":25,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},392,"72837","Él intercambia mensajes.",1830.68,1831.76,{"idx":2361,"utterance_id":2362,"speaker_name":25,"text":2363,"start_s":2364,"end_s":2365,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},393,"72838","Mirad, en la edición, corten la parte en que lo llamé Norman Bates, porque si no él me va a demandar.",1831.9,1835.3,{"idx":2367,"utterance_id":2368,"speaker_name":25,"text":2369,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},394,"72839","Pero él conversa consigo mismo, ¿y qué hace?",1835.38,1838.78,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":25,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},395,"72840","Y trata de planear su futuro político.",1838.9,1841.58,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":25,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},396,"72841","Es decir, destruye la política y yo asumo.",1841.62,1843.74,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":25,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},397,"72842","ese espacio para mí.",1844.36,1845.24,{"idx":2391,"utterance_id":2392,"speaker_name":25,"text":2393,"start_s":2394,"end_s":2395,"word_count":115,"indexable":14},398,"72843","Cómo lo hacemos, creo que sólo hay dos caminos y yo opté por el único que sé elegir, que fue el que mi madre me enseñó.",1845.68,1852.58,{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":25,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":227,"indexable":14},399,"72844","Tu padre te enseñó a tener valores, mi familia también me enseñó eso, pero mi madre me enseñó otra cosa: que en la vida siempre hay dos maneras de enfrentar las cosas.",1853,1861.12,{"idx":2403,"utterance_id":2404,"speaker_name":25,"text":2405,"start_s":2406,"end_s":2407,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},400,"72845","La primera es resignarnos y la segunda es luchar para transformar la realidad.",1861.2,1866.38,{"idx":2409,"utterance_id":2410,"speaker_name":25,"text":2411,"start_s":2412,"end_s":2413,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},401,"72846","Y así, creo que debemos decirle a nuestro pueblo que existe esperanza, ¿entienden?",1867.3,1871.04,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":25,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},402,"72847","Están destruyendo, están destruyendo las instituciones, pero yo me aferro a las cosas que hemos construido.",1871.6,1876.14,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":25,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":122,"indexable":14},403,"72848","Fui alguien que a los 17 años pasaba por las aulas y me ridiculizaban por defender los cupos.",1876.34,1883.66,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":25,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},404,"72849","Y eso fue apenas hace 20 años.",1884.66,1886.02,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":25,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},405,"72850","20 años es mucho para mí...",1886.04,1887.28,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":25,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},406,"72851","Y tú 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