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creo que el Sudeste Asiático llama más la atención, primero porque es la región del mundo que más crece hoy, y segundo porque podemos hacer comparaciones que muestran cuánto somos miserables sin perspectiva de mejora, al ser rehén de debates como los de Lula y Bolsonaro, lo cual entristece el principal tema de debate del país.",83.96,107.68,60,{"idx":48,"utterance_id":114,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":115,"start_s":116,"end_s":117,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},"79650","El alumno más pobre... 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podcast?",216.18,219.8,{"idx":243,"utterance_id":244,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":245,"start_s":246,"end_s":247,"word_count":77,"indexable":13},38,"79672","Pero, desde el punto de vista de la educación, una cosa básica: tener indicadores.",220.3,224.9,{"idx":249,"utterance_id":250,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":251,"start_s":252,"end_s":253,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},39,"79673","No se pilota un avión.",225.38,228,{"idx":255,"utterance_id":256,"speaker_name":129,"text":257,"start_s":258,"end_s":259,"word_count":70,"indexable":13},40,"79674","Pero eso con el tiempo ha ido empeorando.",228.46,230.9,{"idx":261,"utterance_id":262,"speaker_name":129,"text":263,"start_s":264,"end_s":265,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},41,"79675","Cuando hice la primaria, que así se llamaba antes, era mejor que ahora, mejor en esa 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Creo que desde, por lo menos, 1988, o incluso durante todo el periodo de la dictadura militar, hemos fracasado como nación.",248.7,261.76,{"idx":308,"utterance_id":309,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":310,"start_s":311,"end_s":312,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},49,"79683","Nosotros nos quedamos atrás de otros países.",262.04,263.72,{"idx":314,"utterance_id":315,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":316,"start_s":317,"end_s":318,"word_count":24,"indexable":13},50,"79684","Ahora sí.",263.88,265.32,{"idx":320,"utterance_id":321,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":322,"start_s":323,"end_s":324,"word_count":68,"indexable":13},51,"79685","Nosotros teníamos un PIB per cápita que era una décima",265.64,269.02,{"idx":326,"utterance_id":327,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":328,"start_s":329,"end_s":330,"word_count":30,"indexable":13},52,"79686","del de 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diputado le promete a su elector que va a hacer tal cosa, que no lo va a hacer porque dependerá de la aprobación allí de todos, es eso?",321.4,328.58,{"idx":409,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":411,"start_s":412,"end_s":413,"word_count":385,"indexable":13},66,"79700","No, no creo que sea eso, porque es posible hacerlo; ahora, no sirve de nada, lo que no puede prometer un diputado es que va a tener mayoría en el Congreso Nacional, porque quien tiene mayoría es el gobierno, ahí es promesa, realmente promesa; esto es algo que pocas personas saben, pero quien tiene más poder legislativo en Brasil es el ejecutivo.",329.24,350.18,{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},67,"79701","El Ejecutivo tiene el poder de enviar medida provisoria, el Ejecutivo tiene el poder de enviar proyectos sobre la organización de la administración 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