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gran similitud con los estados del centro-oeste, que también tienen su propio consorcio.",94.54,104.14,20,{"idx":147,"utterance_id":148,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":149,"start_s":150,"end_s":151,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},12,"19781","Y lo que definimos en nuestra reunión en Río de Janeiro es que vamos a sumar esos esfuerzos, el COSUD, que es el sur-sudeste, junto con los estados del centro-oeste.",104.84,117.66,31,{"idx":154,"utterance_id":155,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":156,"start_s":157,"end_s":158,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},13,"19782","Incluso antes de toda esa operación en Río de Janeiro, ya había muchas operaciones cooperadas, como Minas Gerais con Goiás, como Minas Gerais con São Paulo y así sucesivamente.",118.32,133.9,{"idx":160,"utterance_id":161,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":162,"start_s":163,"end_s":164,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},14,"19783","Y esos esfuerzos se intensificarán a partir de 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megaoperación?",212.62,220.32,{"idx":107,"utterance_id":202,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":203,"start_s":204,"end_s":205,"word_count":154,"indexable":74},"19790","Bueno, Débora, el gobierno federal está, como mínimo, ingenuo y romantizando el problema.",223.04,231.04,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":207,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":208,"start_s":209,"end_s":210,"word_count":166,"indexable":74},"19791","Un bandido que tiene un arsenal de guerra no se combate llevándole diálogo, llevándole rosas.",231.98,241.04,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":212,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":213,"start_s":214,"end_s":215,"word_count":166,"indexable":74},"19792","La policía, las fuerzas de seguridad de Río de Janeiro fueron recibidas allí con fusiles.",241.12,248.6,{"idx":217,"utterance_id":218,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":219,"start_s":220,"end_s":221,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},24,"19793","Tanto es así que tuvieron cuatro bajas, cuatro héroes perecieron en la operación del 28 de octubre.",249.14,256.4,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":223,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":224,"start_s":225,"end_s":226,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"19794","Y ayer, anteayer, se realizó una encuesta.",257.06,260.88,{"idx":9,"utterance_id":228,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":229,"start_s":230,"end_s":231,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"19795","La mayor aprobación, Débora, por parte de quienes la vivieron, es la de quienes viven allí, en medio de ese terror, de esa extorsión.",261.36,272.88,{"idx":233,"utterance_id":234,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":235,"start_s":236,"end_s":237,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},27,"19796","Quienes viven allí, en esas comunidades, Débora, hoy... pagan más por la energía eléctrica, por el agua, por Internet, por el uso de aplicaciones, por el hielo.",273.44,286.14,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":239,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":240,"start_s":241,"end_s":242,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},"19797","Viven constantemente amenazados, expulsados de sus casas.",286.78,291.86,{"idx":244,"utterance_id":245,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":246,"start_s":247,"end_s":248,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},29,"19798","Quien tiene cualquier actividad comercial allí, productiva, necesita pagar una mensualidad.",292.32,299.18,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":250,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":251,"start_s":252,"end_s":253,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"19799","Eso es totalmente ocupación de territorio.",299.9,304.32,{"idx":152,"utterance_id":255,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":256,"start_s":257,"end_s":258,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},"19800","Y parece que el gobierno federal dice que Brasil necesita ser soberano; ¿qué pérdida mayor de soberanía que esta, barricadas que impiden la entrada de las fuerzas de seguridad pública?",304.96,319.14,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":260,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":261,"start_s":262,"end_s":263,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},"19801","Entonces tenemos que combatir, es de esa manera.",319.7,323.1,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":265,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":266,"start_s":267,"end_s":268,"word_count":269,"indexable":74},"19802","Ahora, por supuesto, la asfixia financiera complementa esas acciones, pero lo que hace falta hacer, Débora, y que el gobierno federal... no hace, y eso incluso me hace sospechar que hay gente involucrada allí, es declarar a esas organizaciones criminales equivalentes a organizaciones terroristas.",323.54,346.44,45,{"idx":81,"utterance_id":271,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":272,"start_s":273,"end_s":274,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},"19803","El día en que eso se haga, tendremos una forma mucho más efectiva de combatir, porque entonces la Policía Federal y el Ejército tendrán que dar su contribución.",346.92,358.64,{"idx":276,"utterance_id":277,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":278,"start_s":279,"end_s":280,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},35,"19804","Otros países asfixiarán financieramente porque un terrorista no puede movilizar recursos en el mercado internacional.",359.18,368.6,{"idx":138,"utterance_id":282,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":283,"start_s":284,"end_s":285,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},"19805","Ahí sí estaremos actuando con inteligencia.",368.98,371.4,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},37,"19806","Ahora bien, la operación de Río de Janeiro también tuvo mucha inteligencia.",371.86,375.92,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":294,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":295,"start_s":296,"end_s":297,"word_count":166,"indexable":74},38,"19807","Prueba de ello es que no hubo ningún inocente que perdiera la vida.",376.04,380.98,{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},39,"19808","Solo delincuentes y, desgraciadamente... cuatro militares.",381.5,385.28,{"idx":305,"utterance_id":306,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":307,"start_s":308,"end_s":309,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},40,"19809","Y otro punto importantísimo es la cuestión de penas más severas.",385.36,389.5,{"idx":311,"utterance_id":312,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":313,"start_s":314,"end_s":315,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},41,"19810","Y que no haya ningún privilegio para quienes pertenecen a las facciones criminales.",389.92,394.9,{"idx":195,"utterance_id":317,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":318,"start_s":319,"end_s":320,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},"19811","Entonces es fundamental que este gobierno federal, Lula, se despierte, que Lewandowski se despierte y declaren a esas facciones como 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Porque me quedé con la duda, usted habló sobre la cuestión de considerar a las organizaciones criminales como terroristas.",411.64,422.46,{"idx":269,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":69,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},"19814","Usted dijo algo como 'puede incluso que haya alguno de ellos allí', no entendí muy bien lo que quiso decir.",423.04,428.62,{"idx":339,"utterance_id":340,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":341,"start_s":342,"end_s":343,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},46,"19815","Lo que quise decir es lo siguiente: que debe haber hoy gente dentro de la estructura del Estado beneficiándose de la actuación de esos grupos, de esas facciones criminales.",430.56,442.1,{"idx":345,"utterance_id":346,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":347,"start_s":348,"end_s":349,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},47,"19816","Tenemos tantos negocios grandes en el área de combustible, contrabando de cigarrillos, extorsión a millones de personas.",442.84,452.18,{"idx":351,"utterance_id":352,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":353,"start_s":354,"end_s":355,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},48,"19817","Hoy, más de 30 millones de brasileños viven bajo el dominio del crimen organizado.",452.64,459.1,{"idx":357,"utterance_id":358,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":359,"start_s":360,"end_s":361,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},49,"19818","Es mucha gente ganando dinero sin necesidad de trabajar.",459.16,462.92,{"idx":363,"utterance_id":364,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":365,"start_s":366,"end_s":367,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},50,"19819","Y quién sabe quién dentro del Estado está lucrando con eso.",463.32,467.58,{"idx":369,"utterance_id":370,"speaker_name":69,"text":371,"start_s":372,"end_s":373,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},51,"19820","Gobernador, déjeme invitar a Pedro Wenceslau para participar también.",468.4,471.28,{"idx":375,"utterance_id":376,"speaker_name":69,"text":377,"start_s":378,"end_s":379,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},52,"19821","de esta entrevista, Pedro.",471.78,472.84,{"idx":381,"utterance_id":382,"speaker_name":69,"text":383,"start_s":384,"end_s":385,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},53,"19822","Gobernador, el objetivo de esta operación, que fue planificada durante un año, el objetivo principal era capturar a los integrantes de la cúpula del Comando Vermelho, sobre todo a DOCA.",473.82,483.38,{"idx":387,"utterance_id":388,"speaker_name":69,"text":389,"start_s":390,"end_s":391,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},54,"19823","No sucedió.",483.82,484.62,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":69,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},55,"19824","Ninguno de los muertos, ninguno de los detenidos era de la cúpula de la facción.",485.12,488.88,{"idx":399,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":69,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},56,"19825","Además, según los especialistas, como no hubo la reocupación del territorio, es probable que ahora las milicias ocupen ese espacio vacío; es decir, los habitantes de la comunidad seguirán bajo el yugo de las facciones.",489.52,501.08,{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":69,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},57,"19826","¿Se puede seguir llamando a esa operación exitosa?",501.66,504.28,{"idx":411,"utterance_id":412,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":413,"start_s":414,"end_s":415,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},58,"19827","Por supuesto que sí.",506.92,508.04,{"idx":417,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},59,"19828","Creo que quien esté pensando en ocupar ese espacio pensará 500 veces antes de hacerlo.",508.52,518.98,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},60,"19829","Porque sabe que la policía de Río de Janeiro, las fuerzas de seguridad, ya saben qué camino seguir.",519.56,527.64,{"idx":429,"utterance_id":430,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":431,"start_s":432,"end_s":433,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},61,"19830","Es lamentable que el líder haya conseguido huir, pero eso también prueba cuánto están organizados.",528.28,536.26,{"idx":435,"utterance_id":436,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":437,"start_s":438,"end_s":439,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},62,"19831","Deben tener túneles allí, debe haber alguna forma de fuga que con seguridad el gran líder, el gran jefe, pudo utilizar.",536.38,546.4,{"idx":441,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},63,"19832","Pero una vez más, lo que necesitamos es poder lidiar con quienes tienen fusiles.",546.84,553.26,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":293,"indexable":74},64,"19833","con quienes tienen armas de grueso calibre, que están dispuestos a matar, incluso a inocentes, como ocurrió con la joven en la Linha Amarela anteayer; 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crimen.",648.64,654.54,{"idx":536,"utterance_id":537,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":538,"start_s":539,"end_s":540,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},79,"19848","¿Los intelectuales discuten medicina?",654.92,657.34,{"idx":542,"utterance_id":543,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":544,"start_s":545,"end_s":546,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},80,"19849","No la discuten.",657.72,658.54,{"idx":548,"utterance_id":549,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":550,"start_s":551,"end_s":552,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},81,"19850","La medicina es de quienes estudiaron el área de salud y el crimen es de quienes se ocupan del crimen.",658.6,663.78,{"idx":554,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":69,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":375,"indexable":74},82,"19851","Gobernador, usted mencionó la cuestión que ha sido repetida por gobernadores de la derecha, por policías, por las autoridades de Río de Janeiro, de que es importante equiparar el crimen de facción 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involucradas, incluyendo al gobierno federal, dejando de lado las divergencias ideológicas y buscando la construcción de un texto que cuente con respaldo tanto de quienes estudian el enfrentamiento a las políticas de seguridad pública... como de quienes están en la primera línea, cuántos policías, agentes de seguridad y demás implicados, para que, de hecho, se tenga aquello que la sociedad brasileña en su conjunto desea?",709.84,737.68,{"idx":578,"utterance_id":579,"speaker_name":69,"text":580,"start_s":581,"end_s":582,"word_count":166,"indexable":74},86,"19855","Exceptuando a los criminales, toda la sociedad brasileña quiere una solución para el problema de la violencia.",737.96,743.1,{"idx":584,"utterance_id":585,"speaker_name":69,"text":586,"start_s":587,"end_s":588,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},87,"19856","¿Es posible imaginar eso?",743.54,745.26,{"idx":590,"utterance_id":591,"speaker_name":69,"text":592,"start_s":593,"end_s":594,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},88,"19857","¿O las diferencias político-ideológicas y electorales se sobrepondrán a la unión de esfuerzos contra el crimen?",745.66,752.2,{"idx":596,"utterance_id":597,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":598,"start_s":599,"end_s":600,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},89,"19858","Yuri, todo diálogo siempre es bienvenido.",755.02,758.92,{"idx":602,"utterance_id":603,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":604,"start_s":605,"end_s":606,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},90,"19859","Por parte del Estado, aquí en Minas somos un ejemplo.",759.38,765.74,{"idx":608,"utterance_id":609,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":610,"start_s":611,"end_s":612,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},91,"19860","Yo, Poder Ejecutivo, siempre estoy dialogando aquí con el Ministerio Público, con el Tribunal de Justicia, que han sido grandes aliados en el combate a la criminalidad.",766.5,778.9,{"idx":614,"utterance_id":615,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":616,"start_s":617,"end_s":618,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},92,"19861","Minas hoy tiene... una de las tasas de criminalidad más bajas de Brasil; era un Estado que siempre tenía emigrantes, personas que se iban, y en mi gestión lo revertimos.",779.52,793.32,{"idx":620,"utterance_id":621,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":622,"start_s":623,"end_s":624,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},93,"19862","Minas Gerais pasó a ser un Estado que recibe personas, en gran medida por la cuestión de la seguridad.",793.42,799.58,{"idx":626,"utterance_id":627,"speaker_name":116,"speaker_slug":117,"text":628,"start_s":629,"end_s":630,"word_count":305,"indexable":74},94,"19863","Yo y los otros seis gobernadores del Sur y del Sudeste, el 25 de marzo del año pasado, entregamos al ministro de Seguridad Pública, al ministro Lewandowski, ministro de Justicia, nuestras propuestas para la PEC de 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