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incompletos.",700.04,704.06,{"idx":1170,"utterance_id":1171,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1172,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},186,"9699","Si repasas la historia de los programas que ya hubo para la Cracolândia, Nova Luz 1, Nova Luz 2, una serie de otros programas, Braços Abertos, no sé qué, todos ellos... atacaban un componente del problema y no atacaban otro.",704.64,722.8,{"idx":1176,"utterance_id":1177,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1178,"start_s":1179,"end_s":1180,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},187,"9700","Uno iba más por la línea de la seguridad y fallaba en la línea de la asistencia.",723.26,727.28,{"idx":1182,"utterance_id":1183,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1184,"start_s":1185,"end_s":1186,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},188,"9701","Otro iba más por la línea de la asistencia y fallaba en la línea de la seguridad.",727.34,729.98,{"idx":1188,"utterance_id":1189,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1190,"start_s":1191,"end_s":1192,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},189,"9702","Y esas líneas tienen que estar todas integradas.",730.04,731.66,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},"9703","Entonces, cuando piensas en ese problema, primero tengo: ¿quiénes son las personas que están allí?",732.46,737.18,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},191,"9704","Tengo a un tipo que está ahí viviendo hace 10 años, tengo a otro que lleva 5 años, y tenemos que reflexionar sobre eso.",738.4,743.48,{"idx":1205,"utterance_id":1206,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1207,"start_s":1208,"end_s":1209,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},192,"9705","¿Por qué la gente va allí?",743.88,744.9,{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},193,"9706","¿Sabes por qué la gente va allí?",745.62,746.74,{"idx":1217,"utterance_id":1218,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1219,"start_s":1220,"end_s":1221,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},194,"9707","Es que muchas veces no tienen ninguna perspectiva y saben que en el centro de São Paulo sobreviven.",747.2,752.12,{"idx":1223,"utterance_id":1224,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1225,"start_s":1226,"end_s":1227,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},195,"9708","Entonces el tipo a veces sale del sistema penal, sale sin documento.",753,756.74,{"idx":1229,"utterance_id":1230,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1231,"start_s":1232,"end_s":1233,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},196,"9709","Esa persona no tiene perspectiva, no tiene trabajo, no tiene oportunidades.",757.32,761.62,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},"9710","Y va al centro porque en el centro sabe que si se pone mal va a tener la UPA.",761.92,765.02,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},198,"9711","Sabe que si siente frío va a tener el albergue.",765.74,767.68,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},199,"9712","Va a tener la manta.",768.22,769.46,{"idx":1252,"utterance_id":1253,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1254,"start_s":1255,"end_s":1256,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},200,"9713","Si siente hambre sabe dónde buscar la sopa, dónde hay un buen plato.",769.86,773.36,{"idx":1258,"utterance_id":1259,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1260,"start_s":1261,"end_s":1262,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},201,"9714","Y al final... como no tiene perspectiva, acaba consumiendo la droga, enganchándose o profundizando una adicción que ya tenía y sigue viviendo así.",774.74,785.64,{"idx":1264,"utterance_id":1265,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1266,"start_s":1267,"end_s":1268,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},202,"9715","Entonces, en el centro, tiene un ecosistema allí para sobrevivir.",785.68,788.6,{"idx":1270,"utterance_id":1271,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1272,"start_s":1273,"end_s":1274,"word_count":440,"indexable":74},203,"9716","Y cuando miras, tenemos varios egresados del sistema penitenciario, tenemos personas con pena progresada, están en régimen de progresión de pena, tenemos al traficante, tenemos personas que viven allí hace cinco años, tenemos personas que viven allí hace diez años, y sacar a la gente de ese ecosistema no es fácil.",789.26,809.4,{"idx":1276,"utterance_id":1277,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1278,"start_s":1279,"end_s":1280,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},204,"9717","Cuando piensas, bueno, pero tengo que tener equipos para sacarlos, albergue.",811.3,815.48,{"idx":1282,"utterance_id":1283,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1284,"start_s":1285,"end_s":1286,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},205,"9718","La capital de São Paulo, la prefectura de São Paulo, tiene 22 mil plazas de albergue.",816.5,820.76,{"idx":1288,"utterance_id":1289,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1290,"start_s":1291,"end_s":1292,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},206,"9719","Los centros de atención provisoria, de acogida provisoria de la ciudad de São Paulo están muy bien montados.",821.32,826.54,{"idx":1294,"utterance_id":1295,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1296,"start_s":1297,"end_s":1298,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},207,"9720","Tienen alojamientos segregados, literas, comedor, estacionamiento para el carrito que recoge la basura, canil para la mascota de la persona, mucha infraestructura.",827.12,838.42,{"idx":1300,"utterance_id":1301,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1302,"start_s":1303,"end_s":1304,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},208,"9721","Cuando piensas en CAPES... hay.",839.12,840.82,{"idx":1306,"utterance_id":1307,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1308,"start_s":1309,"end_s":1310,"word_count":428,"indexable":74},209,"9722","Cuando piensas en... hoy tenemos nuestro hub de cuidado de la cocaína y otras drogas, estamos atendiendo allí casi 3.000 personas por mes, estamos canalizando a la gente hacia la comunidad terapéutica, abrimos la cantidad de estancias de larga permanencia para el tratamiento del dependiente químico, abrimos plazas en las comunidades terapéuticas y aun así eso no es suficiente.",841.38,861.7,{"idx":1312,"utterance_id":1313,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1314,"start_s":1315,"end_s":1316,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},210,"9723","¿Qué pasa?",862.4,863.02,{"idx":1318,"utterance_id":1319,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1320,"start_s":1321,"end_s":1322,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},211,"9724","Tratamos a una persona en el Hub.",863.06,864.42,{"idx":1324,"utterance_id":1325,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1326,"start_s":1327,"end_s":1328,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},212,"9725","y hay algo interesante.",864.48,865.88,{"idx":1330,"utterance_id":1331,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1332,"start_s":1333,"end_s":1334,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},213,"9726","Abrimos el Hub.",865.94,866.5,{"idx":1336,"utterance_id":1337,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1338,"start_s":1339,"end_s":1340,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},214,"9727","Más de la mitad de las atenciones del Hub ya son de personas que vienen de fuera de São Paulo.",867.12,870.42,{"idx":1342,"utterance_id":1343,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1344,"start_s":1345,"end_s":1346,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},215,"9728","Porque saben que a veces en la ciudad donde están no hay atención.",870.88,873.54,{"idx":1348,"utterance_id":1349,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1350,"start_s":1351,"end_s":1352,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},216,"9729","Oigan, aquí los están tratando, los están derivando al hospital, los están derivando a la comunidad terapéutica.",873.62,877.3,{"idx":1354,"utterance_id":1355,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1356,"start_s":1357,"end_s":1358,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},217,"9730","Entonces voy a intentar resolver un problema allí.",877.34,879.08,{"idx":1360,"utterance_id":1361,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1362,"start_s":1363,"end_s":1364,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},218,"9731","Hay mucha gente que viene al Hub, está siendo tratada y ya no es de la ciudad de São Paulo.",879.68,883.58,{"idx":1366,"utterance_id":1367,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1368,"start_s":1369,"end_s":1370,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},219,"9732","Derivamos a la comunidad terapéutica; la persona pasa allí tres, cuatro días, en ese pico de la abstinencia inicial, la persona desiste y vuelve a la calle.",884.64,894.76,{"idx":1372,"utterance_id":1373,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1374,"start_s":1375,"end_s":1376,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},220,"9733","Así que es un tremendo desafío.",895.32,896.38,{"idx":1378,"utterance_id":1379,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1380,"start_s":1381,"end_s":1382,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},221,"9734","Tenemos que entender quién es cada una de las personas que están allí.",896.42,900.2,{"idx":1384,"utterance_id":1385,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1386,"start_s":1387,"end_s":1388,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},222,"9735","Cada persona allí tiene una historia.",900.52,901.78,{"idx":1390,"utterance_id":1391,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1392,"start_s":1393,"end_s":1394,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},223,"9736","Cada persona allí tiene una trayectoria.",902.64,904.1,{"idx":1396,"utterance_id":1397,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1398,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},224,"9737","Cada persona allí tiene una familia, cada persona vino de un lugar.",905.02,908.26,{"idx":1402,"utterance_id":1403,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1404,"start_s":1405,"end_s":1406,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},225,"9738","Entonces, ¿cómo entendemos eso y tratamos de dar un tratamiento individualizado?",908.56,912.42,{"idx":1408,"utterance_id":1409,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1410,"start_s":1411,"end_s":1412,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},226,"9739","¿Cómo vamos a tratar la dependencia química, el primer problema?",914.56,917.32,{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},227,"9740","¿Cómo vamos a dar el abrigo, la vivienda?",917.84,920.28,{"idx":1420,"utterance_id":1421,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1422,"start_s":1423,"end_s":1424,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},228,"9741","¿Cómo vamos a dar la capacitación profesional?",920.96,923.8,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1426,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1427,"start_s":1428,"end_s":1429,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},"9742","¿Hay equipamiento para capacitación profesional en el centro?",923.94,926.44,{"idx":1431,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},230,"9743","Hay.",926.68,926.84,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},231,"9744","Tenemos SENAC, tenemos dónde formar; solo en el centro hay unos tres SENACs allí.",927.28,932.22,{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1445,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1447,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},232,"9745","Entonces hay cómo capacitar, pero entiendo que podemos hacer más, y la capacitación debe ser personalizada para la vocación del centro.",933.3,939.1,{"idx":1449,"utterance_id":1450,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1451,"start_s":1452,"end_s":1453,"word_count":482,"indexable":74},233,"9746","Tenemos, entonces, la cuestión habitacional es un problema, la cuestión de la capacitación es otra, la cuestión de la seguridad pública, sin duda, y ahí digo: cuando hablo de un problema de todos, problema del poder judicial también, porque tengo que interrumpir el flujo de la droga, el trabajo del traficante, y es un trabajo difícil, porque a veces monitoreas, ves quién está comercializando la droga.",939.84,962.24,{"idx":1455,"utterance_id":1456,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1457,"start_s":1458,"end_s":1459,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},234,"9747","Estamos haciendo ese trabajo de inteligencia.",962.44,964.08,{"idx":1461,"utterance_id":1462,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1463,"start_s":1464,"end_s":1465,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},235,"9748","Estamos individualizando la conducta, separando al usuario del traficante, monitoreando al traficante, recogiendo evidencia del tráfico.",964.46,972.56,{"idx":1467,"utterance_id":1468,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1469,"start_s":1470,"end_s":1471,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},236,"9749","Y a veces detenemos, llevamos al poder judicial, llega la audiencia de custodia y es liberado.",973.2,977.26,{"idx":1473,"utterance_id":1474,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1475,"start_s":1476,"end_s":1477,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},237,"9750","Y liberado sin monitoreo, sin algo con lo que podamos, al menos, verificar dónde está ese tipo.",977.5,983.1,{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},238,"9751","¿Se está cumpliendo la servidumbre que la justicia estableció?",983.86,986.1,{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},239,"9752","Entonces, vamos a necesitar el apoyo judicial, vamos a necesitar el apoyo del Ministerio Público.",987.02,990.5,{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":364,"indexable":74},240,"9753","Eventualmente, en último caso, pues, no logré poner a esa persona en tratamiento, no logré identificar a la familia, esa persona está muy mal, va a tener un problema de salud, hasta pensar en la última hipótesis de una internación compulsoria, que creo que no es lo que lo resuelve.",990.98,1007.26,{"idx":455,"utterance_id":1497,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1498,"start_s":1499,"end_s":1500,"word_count":352,"indexable":74},"9754","Una cosa, por ejemplo, el trabajo misionero, el trabajo de las iglesias, es un trabajo que tiene cierta efectividad, porque a veces cuando la persona está en... en ese ciclo de abstinencia, no es la planilla con, pues, 'es hora de la medicación' lo que va a resolver.",1008.62,1022.72,{"idx":1502,"utterance_id":1503,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1504,"start_s":1505,"end_s":1506,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},242,"9755","Allí, en ese momento, la persona va a necesitar un abrazo, va a necesitar una oración, va a necesitar un acogimiento que no tiene en un método normal de tratamiento.",1022.78,1033.5,{"idx":1508,"utterance_id":1509,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1510,"start_s":1511,"end_s":1512,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},243,"9756","Creo que tenemos que hacer una gran revitalización urbana, pensar un proyecto urbanístico para el centro.",1034.2,1040.46,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},"9757","Bueno, entonces, si tengo calles temáticas... Hagamos que esas calles temáticas sean realmente calles temáticas.",1040.86,1046.1,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},245,"9758","Que tengan una arquitectura temática: Rua das Noivas, Rua dos Eletrônicos, Rua das Motos, para dar un empujón.",1046.14,1052.06,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},246,"9759","El otro día también llamé al sector de la construcción civil, llamé al Secov, al sector inmobiliario, dije: miren, ¿qué necesitan para construir un centro?",1052.16,1058.54,{"idx":1531,"utterance_id":1532,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1533,"start_s":1534,"end_s":1535,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},247,"9760","Para que saquemos lo viejo y pongamos algo nuevo, algo bonito.",1058.58,1061.58,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},248,"9761","No, necesito un sistema de incentivos, entonces propongo eso.",1061.64,1063.32,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},249,"9762","Porque el problema también es vuestro.",1063.8,1065.48,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},250,"9763","Ustedes piensan que tenemos que resolverlo todo solos.",1065.64,1067.52,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},251,"9764","La iniciativa privada tiene que entrar.",1067.66,1068.84,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},252,"9765","Entonces es el sector inmobiliario, es el poder judicial, es el Ministerio Público.",1069.22,1072.26,{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},253,"9766","El enfoque que hace la prensa, de repente el enfoque que hace la prensa también tiene que ser diferente para este problema.",1072.7,1076.92,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},254,"9767","Creo que todo el mundo tiene que entender que este problema es de todos.",1076.96,1079.74,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},255,"9768","Creo que nadie va a tener capacidad de resolver esto solo.",1080.08,1082.52,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},256,"9769","Vamos a necesitar a todo el mundo junto.",1082.56,1084.2,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":69,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},257,"9770","Si tenemos en cuenta que son personas, ya oí muchas veces que la solución es la internación compulsoria.",1084.36,1091.56,{"idx":1597,"utterance_id":1598,"speaker_name":69,"text":1599,"start_s":1600,"end_s":1601,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},258,"9771","Pero, pues, de algún modo estás privando de la libertad a una persona.",1092.2,1096.42,{"idx":1603,"utterance_id":1604,"speaker_name":69,"text":1605,"start_s":1606,"end_s":1607,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},259,"9772","Entonces eso no debería pensarse, en mi opinión, de una manera tan rápida.",1097.24,1101.96,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":69,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},260,"9773","Una conclusión tan, no sé, con un argumento tan simple.",1102.58,1106.74,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":69,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},261,"9774","Ah, el tipo está consumiendo droga aquí, donde no quiero que consuma droga, entonces vamos a internarlo de forma compulsoria.",1106.86,1111.56,{"idx":1621,"utterance_id":1622,"speaker_name":69,"text":1623,"start_s":1624,"end_s":1625,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},262,"9775","Tampoco sé cuál es la solución.",1112.84,1114.38,{"idx":1627,"utterance_id":1628,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1629,"start_s":1630,"end_s":1631,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},263,"9776","Sería el camino más fácil.",1114.74,1116,{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},264,"9777","Imagínate, hay 1.100 personas allá.",1117.02,1118.56,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},265,"9778","Ah, voy a internar 1.100 independientes con funcionamiento?",1119.42,1121.7,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},266,"9779","Claro que no, eso no va a funcionar, no es eso.",1121.78,1124.16,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},267,"9780","Estamos abriendo una serie de plazas en comunidades terapéuticas, hay instalaciones del Estado que estaban desactivadas, que tienen alojamiento, que pueden recibir a esas personas.",1124.92,1133.04,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},268,"9781","Ahora necesitamos operar eso.",1133.68,1136,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},269,"9782","Estamos conversando con las instituciones que hacen esa desintoxicación, para abrir más plazas, para ampliar nuestros brazos, para poder abordar a más personas y tener qué ofrecer, porque tampoco sirve que las abordemos",1136.1,1147.74,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},270,"9783","y no tener qué ofrecer.",1148.54,1149.52,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},271,"9784","Tengo que tener qué ofrecer.",1149.78,1150.66,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},272,"9785","Primero tengo que tener la desintoxicación para ofrecer.",1150.7,1153.28,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},273,"9786","Segundo, después de ofrecer la desintoxicación, tengo que tener la formación, la capacitación para ofrecer.",1153.8,1159.2,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},"9787","Para que esa persona más adelante pueda reinsertarse.",1159.24,1161.66,{"idx":1698,"utterance_id":1699,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1700,"start_s":1701,"end_s":1702,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},275,"9788","Y después tengo que tener el empleo para ofrecer.",1161.74,1163.32,{"idx":1704,"utterance_id":1705,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1706,"start_s":1707,"end_s":1708,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},276,"9789","¿Ah, pero hay oportunidades?",1163.96,1167.64,{"idx":1710,"utterance_id":1711,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1712,"start_s":1713,"end_s":1714,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},277,"9790","¿Hay plazas de empleo?",1167.74,1168.78,{"idx":1716,"utterance_id":1717,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1718,"start_s":1719,"end_s":1720,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},278,"9791","¡Claro que las hay!",1168.94,1169.68,{"idx":1722,"utterance_id":1723,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1724,"start_s":1725,"end_s":1726,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},279,"9792","Mira, estamos recorriendo el Estado de São Paulo, ciudad por ciudad, intentando montar arreglos productivos locales.",1169.98,1175.52,{"idx":1728,"utterance_id":1729,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1730,"start_s":1731,"end_s":1732,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},280,"9793","¿Cómo ponemos aquí una empresa, una industria, y qué necesita esa industria en términos de proveedor?",1176.46,1181.34,{"idx":1734,"utterance_id":1735,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1736,"start_s":1737,"end_s":1738,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},281,"9794","¿Cómo creo un pequeño sistema productivo en esa región para traer oportunidades allí?",1181.38,1186.44,{"idx":1740,"utterance_id":1741,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1742,"start_s":1743,"end_s":1744,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},282,"9795","¿Qué incentivo regional voy a dar?",1186.52,1187.78,{"idx":1746,"utterance_id":1747,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1748,"start_s":1749,"end_s":1750,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},283,"9796","Está 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mundo.",1200.94,1203.94,{"idx":1776,"utterance_id":1777,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1778,"start_s":1779,"end_s":1780,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},288,"9801","Entonces, vamos.",1204.46,1204.84,{"idx":1782,"utterance_id":1783,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1784,"start_s":1785,"end_s":1786,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},289,"9802","Hoy falta mano de obra en los pomares de naranja.",1205.64,1208.12,{"idx":1788,"utterance_id":1789,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1790,"start_s":1791,"end_s":1792,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},290,"9803","Parece simple, ¿no?",1208.4,1208.98,{"idx":1794,"utterance_id":1795,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1796,"start_s":1797,"end_s":1798,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},291,"9804","Tengo una gran industria de celulosa en el Centro-Oeste, en São Paulo.",1209.86,1214.26,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},"9805","Están allí empleando a 300 personas que eran extremadamente humildes y a algunas personas sin hogar en el vivero de eucalipto.",1215.1,1222.12,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},293,"9806","Plantan 50 millones de pies de eucalipto por año, en 37.500 hectáreas.",1222.48,1227.5,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},294,"9807","Están abriendo otro vivero.",1227.54,1228.66,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},295,"9808","con 200 puestos más.",1229.24,1230.56,{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},296,"9809","Son personas que podemos capacitar para trabajar.",1230.84,1233.4,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},297,"9810","Falta gente en la construcción, faltan conductores de camión, falta personal en el sector tecnológico.",1233.88,1240.28,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},298,"9811","Hay una serie de industrias en las que falta mano de obra.",1240.62,1243.34,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},299,"9812","Y puedo hacer capacitación y vincular esa oportunidad con esas personas recién capacitadas.",1244.14,1251.04,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},300,"9813","El centro, si revitalizo el centro, vamos a tener un aluvión de oportunidades en el comercio.",1251.2,1256.92,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},301,"9814","Ahora, necesito... 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Un amigo mío en particular, el tipo tenía esposa, tenía hijo, tenía madre, tenía a dónde volver, tenía de todo.",1345,1357.28,{"idx":1960,"utterance_id":1961,"speaker_name":69,"text":1962,"start_s":1963,"end_s":1964,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},319,"9832","Pero el crack lo mantenía en la calle.",1357.88,1359.76,{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":69,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},320,"9833","Y no era así, no tenía problemas en casa.",1360.56,1363.02,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":69,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},321,"9834","Sólo que el crack, de alguna forma, era más interesante para él.",1363.3,1367.08,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":69,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},322,"9835","Entonces, ese seguimiento psicológico quizá sea la prioridad en esto.",1367.7,1373.32,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},323,"9836","Es fundamental.",1373.86,1374.54,{"idx":1990,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1992,"start_s":1993,"end_s":1994,"word_count":298,"indexable":74},324,"9837","Creo que si no diéramos asistencia... La persona no va a poder sola, de repente va a estar en un estado de degradación tan grande que no va a tener la fortaleza para salir, va a necesitar ayuda.",1374.7,1384.2,{"idx":1996,"utterance_id":1997,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1998,"start_s":1999,"end_s":2000,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},325,"9838","Ahora, hay salida.",1385.28,1386.18,{"idx":2002,"utterance_id":2003,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2004,"start_s":2005,"end_s":2006,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},326,"9839","El otro día, estoy conversando con mucha gente para intentar entender, para intentar profundizar, y conocí el otro día a un tipo que ya tiene dos titulaciones universitarias, en teología y en administración, casado, trabajando, diez años viviendo en la Cracolândia.",1386.7,1406.96,{"idx":2008,"utterance_id":2009,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2010,"start_s":2011,"end_s":2012,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},327,"9840","Y se recuperó.",1408.26,1409.1,{"idx":2014,"utterance_id":2015,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2016,"start_s":2017,"end_s":2018,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},328,"9841","Entonces, esos ejemplos inspiran.",1409.54,1412.34,{"idx":2020,"utterance_id":2021,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2022,"start_s":2023,"end_s":2024,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},329,"9842","Si tomas lo que la Missão Belém ya hizo, lo que la gente de la Cristolândia, la Iglesia Bautista ya hizo, la gente de Freire Hans ya hizo.",1412.4,1420.82,{"idx":2026,"utterance_id":2027,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2028,"start_s":2029,"end_s":2030,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},330,"9843","Esos tipos ya lograron salvar a mucha gente.",1421.3,1423.36,{"idx":2032,"utterance_id":2033,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2034,"start_s":2035,"end_s":2036,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},331,"9844","Han conseguido sacar a personas de la dependencia.",1423.8,1426.1,{"idx":2038,"utterance_id":2039,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2040,"start_s":2041,"end_s":2042,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},332,"9845","Entonces hay solución, es posible.",1426.14,1427.54,{"idx":2044,"utterance_id":2045,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2046,"start_s":2047,"end_s":2048,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},333,"9846","Pero hace falta... Ese acompañamiento que mencionaste, esa acogida y a veces, no es sólo la cuestión técnica.",1429.32,1435.42,{"idx":2050,"utterance_id":2051,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2052,"start_s":2053,"end_s":2054,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},334,"9847","Lo que muchas veces va a valer es el abrazo en el momento de la crisis de abstinencia.",1435.5,1439.06,{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},335,"9848","Son seres humanos, ¿no?",1439.1,1441.46,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},336,"9849","Sí. Eso es.",1442.62,1443.34,{"idx":2068,"utterance_id":2069,"speaker_name":69,"text":2070,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},337,"9850","Creo que cuando tratemos este problema, es muy importante tener en cuenta que son seres humanos.",1443.4,1449.8,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":175,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},338,"9851","Así es.",1450.4,1451.02,{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":69,"text":2082,"start_s":2083,"end_s":2084,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},339,"9852","Y que la zombificación de ellos en la Cracolândia es mala para la sociedad.",1451.1,1459.22,{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":69,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},340,"9853","En todo esto, en un análisis superficial, en realidad no están produciendo.",1460.24,1464.56,{"idx":2092,"utterance_id":2093,"speaker_name":69,"text":2094,"start_s":2095,"end_s":2096,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},341,"9854","Entonces, si tomamos esto y lo transformamos en algo que... Porque, verás, resolver el problema de la Cracolândia, estoy de acuerdo, es un problema de todos y, resuelto, es bueno para todos también.",1465.82,1478.62,{"idx":2098,"utterance_id":2099,"speaker_name":69,"text":2100,"start_s":2101,"end_s":2102,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},342,"9855","Y así, en varias esferas.",1479.58,1481.58,{"idx":2104,"utterance_id":2105,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2106,"start_s":2107,"end_s":2108,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},343,"9856","Creo que tenemos que quitar... Pues, estoy aquí pensando, ¿no?",1482.2,1486.18,{"idx":2110,"utterance_id":2111,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2112,"start_s":2113,"end_s":2114,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},344,"9857","No sé si es posible, pero creo que sí. Creo que tenemos que aprovechar la energía que todos tienen para resolver ese problema.",1486.34,1493.62,{"idx":2116,"utterance_id":2117,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2118,"start_s":2119,"end_s":2120,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},345,"9858","Entonces toma, por ejemplo, a la gente de Porto Seguro.",1493.78,1495.26,{"idx":2122,"utterance_id":2123,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2124,"start_s":2125,"end_s":2126,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},346,"9859","Mira la revitalización que la gente de Porto Seguro hizo en el área que ocupa allí en el centro, muy cerca de la Cracolante.",1495.74,1501.54,{"idx":2128,"utterance_id":2129,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2130,"start_s":2131,"end_s":2132,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},347,"9860","¿Qué puede hacer el sector privado?",1502.14,1504.04,{"idx":2134,"utterance_id":2135,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2136,"start_s":2137,"end_s":2138,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},348,"9861","¿Qué puede hacer el sector inmobiliario?",1504.1,1506.5,{"idx":2140,"utterance_id":2141,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2142,"start_s":2143,"end_s":2144,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},349,"9862","¿Qué pueden hacer las iglesias?",1506.56,1508.38,{"idx":2146,"utterance_id":2147,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2148,"start_s":2149,"end_s":2150,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},350,"9863","¿Qué puede hacer la justicia?",1509,1510.54,{"idx":2152,"utterance_id":2153,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2154,"start_s":2155,"end_s":2156,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},351,"9864","¿Qué puede hacer el gobierno del estado con su asistencia social, con su secretaría de salud?",1511.18,1516.74,{"idx":2158,"utterance_id":2159,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2160,"start_s":2161,"end_s":2162,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},352,"9865","con la Secretaría de Seguridad Pública, con la Secretaría de Vivienda, qué puede hacer la Alcaldía, qué pueden hacer los medios, cómo unimos a todos para resolver ese problema.",1517.24,1527.7,{"idx":2164,"utterance_id":2165,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2166,"start_s":2167,"end_s":2168,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},353,"9866","Mira, este es nuestro problema hoy, ¿vamos a resolver esto?",1527.76,1529.76,{"idx":2170,"utterance_id":2171,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2172,"start_s":2173,"end_s":2174,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},354,"9867","Porque... São Paulo es muy solidario.",1530.58,1535.76,{"idx":2176,"utterance_id":2177,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2178,"start_s":2179,"end_s":2180,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},355,"9868","Y cuando necesitas movilizar, la gente se moviliza.",1535.84,1539.52,{"idx":2182,"utterance_id":2183,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2184,"start_s":2185,"end_s":2186,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},356,"9869","Si conseguimos mostrar la dirección, si tenemos una noción de rumbo, la gente se une.",1540.48,1545.36,{"idx":2188,"utterance_id":2189,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2190,"start_s":2191,"end_s":2192,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},357,"9870","La iniciativa privada se suma, todos se suman.",1545.62,1547.46,{"idx":2194,"utterance_id":2195,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2196,"start_s":2197,"end_s":2198,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},358,"9871","Es lo que pasó en São Sebastião.",1547.7,1548.84,{"idx":2200,"utterance_id":2201,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2202,"start_s":2203,"end_s":2204,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},359,"9872","Lo que pasó en São Sebastião fue impresionante.",1549.96,1551.96,{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},360,"9873","En términos de movilización, es un caso ejemplar.",1552.3,1554.8,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},361,"9874","En términos de solidaridad, en términos de empatía, en términos de trabajo.",1555.34,1559.02,{"idx":2218,"utterance_id":2219,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2220,"start_s":2221,"end_s":2222,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},362,"9875","Tenemos que hacer lo mismo allí.",1559.84,1561.08,{"idx":2224,"utterance_id":2225,"speaker_name":69,"text":2226,"start_s":2227,"end_s":2228,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},363,"9876","Y felicidades por el ejemplo, amigo.",1561.44,1563.2,{"idx":2230,"utterance_id":2231,"speaker_name":69,"text":2232,"start_s":2233,"end_s":2234,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},364,"9877","No suelo felicitar a políticos, no.",1564.1,1565.66,{"idx":2236,"utterance_id":2237,"speaker_name":69,"text":2238,"start_s":2239,"end_s":2240,"word_count":316,"indexable":74},365,"9878","Pero felicidades por el ejemplo, porque de hecho fue algo que... Verte conversando, por ejemplo, con el presidente Lula, con el gobernador de São Paulo, alineados con otra idea, y conversando con el presidente... Es que, en verdad, esto era lo obvio.",1566.06,1584.18,{"idx":2242,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":69,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},366,"9879","Pero en los últimos años dejó de serlo.",1584.76,1586.26,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":69,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},367,"9880","No sé si estás de acuerdo, pero al menos para quien está observando desde fuera, lo obvio dejó de ser, no sé, obvio.",1586.66,1594.06,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":69,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},368,"9881","Y entonces, ver eso ocurriendo, la cooperación, lo de 'vamos a resolver este problema aquí', es fantástico.",1594.58,1600.68,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":69,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},369,"9882","Llegué a comentar esto con los amigos y con los otros tipos también sobre esto, porque, en el fondo, es eso.",1601.66,1608.22,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":69,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},370,"9883","Tenemos personas cuyos problemas necesitamos resolver.",1608.42,1610.94,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":69,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},371,"9884","Han pasado por una catástrofe.",1611.4,1612.8,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":69,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},372,"9885","Y bueno, si no es... ¿Cómo se hace para resolverlo?",1613.44,1616.14,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":69,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},373,"9886","Hay que resolverlo.",1617.04,1617.68,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":69,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},374,"9887","Y de hecho, esa movilización de los sectores, de todo el mundo moviéndose para ayudar, fue sensacional.",1618.16,1624.88,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":69,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},375,"9888","Fue así, de calentar el corazoncito.",1624.96,1626.9,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},376,"9889","Pensar, sentarnos allí y ver cuál es el camino y empezar a movilizar a esos actores.",1627.16,1633.84,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},377,"9890","Esos actores se suman.",1634.02,1634.98,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},378,"9891","Esos actores vienen.",1635.24,1635.88,{"idx":2320,"utterance_id":2321,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2322,"start_s":2323,"end_s":2324,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},379,"9892","Porque todo el mundo tiene que hacer un ejercicio.",1636.44,1638.3,{"idx":2326,"utterance_id":2327,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2328,"start_s":2329,"end_s":2330,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},380,"9893","Los medios tienen que hacer un ejercicio.",1638.42,1639.44,{"idx":2332,"utterance_id":2333,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2334,"start_s":2335,"end_s":2336,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},381,"9894","Vaya, ¿cuál es la mejor manera de cubrir esta cuestión, de ayudar en este asunto?",1639.48,1642.4,{"idx":2338,"utterance_id":2339,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2340,"start_s":2341,"end_s":2342,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},382,"9895","El poder judicial tiene que hacer un ejercicio.",1642.86,1644.16,{"idx":2344,"utterance_id":2345,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2346,"start_s":2347,"end_s":2348,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},383,"9896","¿Cómo puedo ayudar en esa cuestión?",1644.2,1645.8,{"idx":2350,"utterance_id":2351,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2352,"start_s":2353,"end_s":2354,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},384,"9897","El Ministerio Público tiene que hacer un ejercicio.",1646.3,1647.94,{"idx":2356,"utterance_id":2357,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2346,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},385,"9898",1648,1649.4,{"idx":2361,"utterance_id":2362,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2363,"start_s":2364,"end_s":2365,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},386,"9899","La iglesia tiene que hacer un ejercicio.",1649.8,1651.12,{"idx":2367,"utterance_id":2368,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2369,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},387,"9900","¿Cómo ayudo?",1651.16,1651.8,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},388,"9901","El sector inmobiliario tiene que hacer un ejercicio.",1652.12,1654.68,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},389,"9902","Es decir, y si condujéramos esa unión de energías, tal vez consigamos un gran resultado.",1655.04,1661.96,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},390,"9903","y resuelva un problema que es súper complejo.",1662.7,1664.68,{"idx":2391,"utterance_id":2392,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2393,"start_s":2394,"end_s":2395,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},391,"9904","Y por eso digo, no es una solución que vaya a dar el gobierno ni que vaya a dar la alcaldía.",1665.12,1668.72,{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},392,"9905","Creo que es una solución que va a dar la sociedad.",1668.76,1670.44,{"idx":2403,"utterance_id":2404,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2405,"start_s":2406,"end_s":2407,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},393,"9906","La sociedad tiene que querer resolver.",1670.64,1671.82,{"idx":2409,"utterance_id":2410,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2411,"start_s":2412,"end_s":2413,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},394,"9907","Y si la sociedad quiere resolver, lo resolverá.",1672.22,1674.2,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},395,"9908","Porque esa energía es muy poderosa.",1674.56,1675.78,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":69,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},396,"9909","Y ¿cómo fue, todavía sobre la Cracolândia, cómo fue esa casi decisión de llevarla al Bom Retiro?",1675.94,1685.5,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":69,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},397,"9910","¿De dónde salió esa idea?",1685.78,1686.68,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":530,"indexable":74},398,"9911","Fue una propuesta que llegó de la Secretaría de Seguridad Pública y dijeron: mira, logramos concentrar a las personas en un lugar y sería interesante que lleváramos a la gente hasta el final de la Rua Prats; allí está el Complejo Prats, que es un complejo interesante, porque tengo espacio, tengo área disponible, tengo equipos públicos; allí tengo una ama, allí tengo el CAPS, así que allí será más fácil hacer un abordaje",1687.34,1715.68,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},399,"9912","asistencial allí para esas personas.",1716.26,1719.04,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},400,"9913","Es decir, será más fácil prestar un apoyo muy cercano.",1719.1,1723.54,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},401,"9914","Porque está al lado del CAPS.",1724.32,1725.72,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},402,"9915","Es casi una conexión directa.",1727.54,1728.96,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},403,"9916","Entonces tengo un área que vamos a arreglar un poco.",1729,1731.78,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},404,"9917","Vamos a mejorar los equipos que están allí.",1732.36,1734.84,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},405,"9918","Alejamos un poco",1736.04,1737.36,{"idx":2481,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2483,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},406,"9919","de un área importante de la ciudad.",1737.58,1740.16,{"idx":2487,"utterance_id":2488,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2489,"start_s":2490,"end_s":2491,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},407,"9920","Es lógico que hay ese camino, esa trayectoria y va a molestar, molestaría a todo un comercio y a la gente que vive en Bom Retiro.",1740.2,1751.14,{"idx":2493,"utterance_id":2494,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2495,"start_s":2496,"end_s":2497,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},408,"9921","Pero después, si lo logramos, ellos quedarán más aislados y con la asistencia allí, con los equipos asistenciales allí.",1751.56,1758.3,{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},409,"9922","Pero luego nos dimos cuenta de que sería y realmente tendríamos una dificultad de... de llevar a esas personas y mantenerlas allí; quizá no fuera la mejor idea.",1758.9,1769.74,{"idx":2505,"utterance_id":2506,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2507,"start_s":2508,"end_s":2509,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},410,"9923","Entonces dices: no, no vamos a hacer eso.",1771.68,1773.5,{"idx":2511,"utterance_id":2512,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2513,"start_s":2514,"end_s":2515,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},411,"9924","quizá nos precipitamos al decirlo.",1774.28,1777.36,{"idx":2517,"utterance_id":2518,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2519,"start_s":2520,"end_s":2521,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},412,"9925","Creo que allí, en el caso de la Cracolândia, tenemos que hacer más y hablar menos.",1777.44,1780.36,{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},413,"9926","Y una vez que tomas una decisión equivocada o dices una tontería, no hay ningún problema en dar marcha atrás.",1781.46,1786.48,{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2531,"start_s":2532,"end_s":2533,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},414,"9927","A veces, hoy, incluso somos criticados por dar marcha atrás.",1786.9,1788.82,{"idx":2535,"utterance_id":2536,"speaker_name":175,"text":2537,"start_s":2538,"end_s":2539,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},415,"9928","Te critican por dar marcha atrás.",1789.84,1791.56,{"idx":2541,"utterance_id":2542,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2543,"start_s":2544,"end_s":2545,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},416,"9929","Has dado marcha atrás, retrocedes.",1792.98,1795.36,{"idx":2547,"utterance_id":2548,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2549,"start_s":2550,"end_s":2551,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},417,"9930","No hay problema en retroceder.",1795.42,1796.38,{"idx":2553,"utterance_id":2554,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2555,"start_s":2556,"end_s":2557,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},418,"9931","Soy humano, voy a equivocarme.",1796.48,1797.28,{"idx":2559,"utterance_id":2560,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2561,"start_s":2562,"end_s":2563,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},419,"9932","Si me equivoco diez veces, voy a retroceder diez veces.",1797.82,1799.48,{"idx":2565,"utterance_id":2566,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2567,"start_s":2568,"end_s":2569,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},420,"9933","No hay ningún problema.",1799.52,1800.06,{"idx":2571,"utterance_id":2572,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2573,"start_s":2574,"end_s":2575,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},421,"9934","No me importa eso.",1800.52,1801.32,{"idx":2577,"utterance_id":2578,"speaker_name":69,"text":2579,"start_s":2580,"end_s":2581,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},422,"9935","Genial.",1802.76,1803.12,{"idx":2583,"utterance_id":2584,"speaker_name":69,"text":2585,"start_s":2586,"end_s":2587,"word_count":280,"indexable":74},423,"9936","Y, oye, recientemente, incluso te dije, creo que antes de salir al aire, que en las otras veces que quedamos citados, no pudiste venir porque tuviste que ocuparte de tus cosas de gobernador.",1803.52,1813,{"idx":2589,"utterance_id":2590,"speaker_name":69,"text":2591,"start_s":2592,"end_s":2593,"word_count":328,"indexable":74},424,"9937","Y pensé, por un momento, que no ibas a poder venir otra vez por culpa de lo que estaba pasando allá en Guarujá, que fue un policía de la Rota que murió, Patrick, creo que se llama, el día 27 del mes pasado.",1813.18,1829.88,{"idx":2595,"utterance_id":2596,"speaker_name":69,"text":2597,"start_s":2598,"end_s":2599,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},425,"9938","Y entonces ocurrió la Operación Escudo, ¿no?",1830.54,1834.2,{"idx":2601,"utterance_id":2602,"speaker_name":69,"text":2603,"start_s":2604,"end_s":2605,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},426,"9939","Que medio que... Mira, la sensación que tengo, no soy de la policía, no formo parte de la inteligencia ni nada de eso, pero la sensación que tengo es de una venganza.",1835.36,1847.2,{"idx":2607,"utterance_id":2608,"speaker_name":69,"text":2609,"start_s":2610,"end_s":2611,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},427,"9940","¿Qué es la Operación Escudo, amigo?",1849.44,1851.08,{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2615,"start_s":2616,"end_s":2617,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},428,"9941","No, en realidad no hay venganza, así.",1851.2,1854.04,{"idx":2619,"utterance_id":2620,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2621,"start_s":2622,"end_s":2623,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},429,"9942","Y cuando he defendido la operación, lo hago con... con la convicción de quien está siguiendo muy de cerca y que tiene un nivel de formación que la gente no tiene.",1854.6,1866.02,{"idx":2625,"utterance_id":2626,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2627,"start_s":2628,"end_s":2629,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},430,"9943","Exacto.",1866.34,1866.74,{"idx":2631,"utterance_id":2632,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2633,"start_s":2634,"end_s":2635,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},431,"9944","Inclusive de inteligencia.",1866.82,1868,{"idx":2637,"utterance_id":2638,"speaker_name":69,"text":2639,"start_s":2640,"end_s":2641,"word_count":334,"indexable":74},432,"9945","Sabes que, por ejemplo, cuando hablabas de llevar la Cracolândia al Bom Retiro, en mi cabeza era así: están hablando solo de sacarla de aquí por allí y no hay ninguna razón práctica para eso, pero acabas de darme algunas.",1868.34,1880.52,{"idx":2643,"utterance_id":2644,"speaker_name":69,"text":2645,"start_s":2646,"end_s":2647,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},433,"9946","Quizá sea lo mismo lo de la Operación Escudo.",1881.44,1883.72,{"idx":2649,"utterance_id":2650,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2651,"start_s":2652,"end_s":2653,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},434,"9947","Tenemos que entender el contexto de la Baixada Santista.",1884.48,1888.44,{"idx":2655,"utterance_id":2656,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2657,"start_s":2658,"end_s":2659,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},435,"9948","Bueno, pues vamos.",1889.44,1890.04,{"idx":2661,"utterance_id":2662,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2663,"start_s":2664,"end_s":2665,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},436,"9949","Desde comienzos del año hemos estado sufriendo bastante con el tema de la seguridad en la Baixada Santista.",1891.8,1896.92,{"idx":2667,"utterance_id":2668,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2669,"start_s":2670,"end_s":2671,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},437,"9950","Pero no es un problema que empezó ahora; es una deterioración que viene de mucho tiempo.",1897.3,1901.6,{"idx":2673,"utterance_id":2674,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2675,"start_s":2676,"end_s":2677,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},438,"9951","Y, en realidad, tienes una instalación del crimen organizado en la Baixada Santista.",1902.26,1906.28,{"idx":2679,"utterance_id":2680,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2681,"start_s":2682,"end_s":2683,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},439,"9952","Hay una razón para que esto ocurra.",1906.44,1907.58,{"idx":2685,"utterance_id":2686,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2687,"start_s":2688,"end_s":2689,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},440,"9953","¿Cuál es?",1907.66,1907.88,{"idx":2691,"utterance_id":2692,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2693,"start_s":2694,"end_s":2695,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},441,"9954","El Puerto de Santos, que terminó convirtiéndose en un gran centro de distribución del comercio internacional de drogas.",1908.48,1913.88,{"idx":2697,"utterance_id":2698,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2699,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},442,"9955","mucha droga sale por el Puerto de Santos.",1914.48,1916.34,{"idx":2703,"utterance_id":2704,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2705,"start_s":2706,"end_s":2707,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},443,"9956","Hoy es el lugar que más exporta droga, que más manda droga a Europa, a países asiáticos.",1916.4,1921.62,{"idx":2709,"utterance_id":2710,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2711,"start_s":2712,"end_s":2713,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},444,"9957","Así que allí se volvió un problema.",1921.72,1923.58,{"idx":2715,"utterance_id":2716,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2717,"start_s":2718,"end_s":2719,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},445,"9958","Como ese es un gran centro comercial, la criminalidad se asentó en la Baixada.",1924.14,1930.16,{"idx":2721,"utterance_id":2722,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2723,"start_s":2724,"end_s":2725,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},446,"9959","Ese es un problema.",1930.34,1930.84,{"idx":2727,"utterance_id":2728,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2729,"start_s":2730,"end_s":2731,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},447,"9960","Desde comienzos de año hemos empezado a sufrir mucho.",1932.58,1934.64,{"idx":2733,"utterance_id":2734,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2735,"start_s":2736,"end_s":2737,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},448,"9961","Por ejemplo... La gente adivinó y la cosa pasó.",1934.72,1937.6,{"idx":2739,"utterance_id":2740,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2741,"start_s":2742,"end_s":2743,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},449,"9962","No es solo mi inteligencia la que funciona, ¿eh?",1938.38,1939.92,{"idx":2745,"utterance_id":2746,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2747,"start_s":2748,"end_s":2749,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},450,"9963","Hay otras inteligencias que funcionan.",1940,1941.62,{"idx":2751,"utterance_id":2752,"speaker_name":69,"text":2753,"start_s":2754,"end_s":2755,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},451,"9964","Entonces, iba a decirte.",1942.24,1943.42,{"idx":2757,"utterance_id":2758,"speaker_name":69,"text":2759,"start_s":2760,"end_s":2761,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},452,"9965","Hay un bar entero para ti ahí, Tarsizão.",1943.5,1945.56,{"idx":2763,"utterance_id":2764,"speaker_name":69,"text":2765,"start_s":2766,"end_s":2767,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},453,"9966","¿Vas a estar tomando coca?",1947.88,1948.88,{"idx":2769,"utterance_id":2770,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2771,"start_s":2772,"end_s":2773,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},454,"9967","No, pero es... Estoy bromeando.",1949.56,1954.1,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":2775,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2776,"start_s":2777,"end_s":2778,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},"9968","Y al inicio del año empezamos a tener vandalización de formaciones ferroviarias.",1955.18,1959.7,{"idx":2780,"utterance_id":2781,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2782,"start_s":2783,"end_s":2784,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},456,"9969","Tenemos un tercio de la carga movilizada... a veces para robar y otras veces para vandalizar realmente.",1960.48,1966.42,{"idx":2786,"utterance_id":2787,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2788,"start_s":2789,"end_s":2790,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},457,"9970","¿Por qué?",1967.02,1967.3,{"idx":2792,"utterance_id":2793,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2794,"start_s":2795,"end_s":2796,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},458,"9971","Porque hubo un cambio en la seguridad por parte de las empresas ferroviarias.",1967.98,1974.12,{"idx":2798,"utterance_id":2799,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2800,"start_s":2801,"end_s":2802,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},459,"9972","Y, de cierta forma, quien prestaba el servicio de seguridad estaba conectado con el crimen.",1974.58,1978.28,{"idx":2804,"utterance_id":2805,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2806,"start_s":2807,"end_s":2808,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},460,"9973","Y la respuesta era: si no contratan mi seguridad, les va a ir mal.",1978.84,1983.24,{"idx":2810,"utterance_id":2811,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2812,"start_s":2813,"end_s":2814,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},461,"9974","Y las empresas no están haciendo eso; no ceden a ese tipo de chantaje.",1983.98,1987.24,{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},462,"9975","Pero ¿qué pasó, qué está pasando?",1987.82,1989.58,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},463,"9976","5, 6, 7 vandalizaciones de formaciones por día.",1989.6,1994.2,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":175,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},464,"9977","¡Dios mío!",1994.42,1994.9,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},465,"9978","¿Qué significa eso?",1995.32,1996.34,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},466,"9979","Estamos hablando de pérdidas, a estas alturas del campeonato, de 400 millones de reales.",1996.5,2000.26,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},467,"9980","Es decir, esto drena la competitividad del Puerto.",2001.24,2003.7,{"idx":2852,"utterance_id":2853,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2854,"start_s":2855,"end_s":2856,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},468,"9981","Entonces el tipo que corta una manguera de una formación entera, abre las escotillas y el tipo va a robar soja.",2004.14,2011.52,{"idx":2858,"utterance_id":2859,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2860,"start_s":2861,"end_s":2862,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},469,"9982","Entonces tengo un trader de soja que no tiene ni una plantación.",2012.1,2014.34,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},470,"9983","El tipo está negociando soja en el mercado.",2014.74,2016.36,{"idx":2870,"utterance_id":2871,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2872,"start_s":2873,"end_s":2874,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},471,"9984","El tipo va a robar combustible.",2016.86,2018.02,{"idx":2876,"utterance_id":2877,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2878,"start_s":2879,"end_s":2880,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},472,"9985","Y cuando el tipo no roba nada, le prende fuego a la formación.",2018.14,2020.44,{"idx":2882,"utterance_id":2883,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2884,"start_s":2885,"end_s":2886,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},473,"9986","Y entonces paraliza, paraliza la operación.",2022.1,2023.9,{"idx":2888,"utterance_id":2889,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2890,"start_s":2891,"end_s":2892,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},474,"9987","Y esto está muy encadenado al tiempo de viaje.",2023.96,2028.16,{"idx":2894,"utterance_id":2895,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2896,"start_s":2897,"end_s":2898,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},475,"9988","Eso va a influir en la logística en Mato Grosso, de donde se están liberando las formaciones.",2029.26,2035.36,{"idx":2900,"utterance_id":2901,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2902,"start_s":2903,"end_s":2904,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},476,"9989","Así que es un problema.",2035.44,2036.12,{"idx":2906,"utterance_id":2907,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2908,"start_s":2909,"end_s":2910,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},477,"9990","Después tuvieron una ola de criminalidad.",2037.24,2039.08,{"idx":2912,"utterance_id":2913,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2914,"start_s":2915,"end_s":2916,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},478,"9991","La gente habla del soldado Reis que fue asesinado en esa operación, y la operación empieza antes de que el soldado Reis muera.",2039.6,2047.98,{"idx":2918,"utterance_id":2919,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2920,"start_s":2921,"end_s":2922,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},479,"9992","Que vean, el soldado de la Rota.",2048.7,2049.8,{"idx":2924,"utterance_id":2925,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2926,"start_s":2927,"end_s":2928,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},480,"9993","La Rota no hace patrullaje ostensivo.",2050.18,2051.98,{"idx":2930,"utterance_id":2931,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2932,"start_s":2933,"end_s":2934,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},481,"9994","La Rota combate al crimen organizado.",2052.62,2054.62,{"idx":2936,"utterance_id":2937,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2938,"start_s":2939,"end_s":2940,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},482,"9995","La Rota estaba allí porque ya estaba en operación.",2055,2057.22,{"idx":2942,"utterance_id":2943,"speaker_name":69,"text":2944,"start_s":2945,"end_s":2946,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},483,"9996","Lo interesante, porque el nombre es Rondas Ostensivas Tobias Aguiar.",2058.84,2062.16,{"idx":2948,"utterance_id":2949,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2950,"start_s":2951,"end_s":2952,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},484,"9997","Sí, pero es una tropa especial.",2062.32,2063.4,{"idx":2954,"utterance_id":2955,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2956,"start_s":2957,"end_s":2958,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},485,"9998","Entonces, no está en ese patrullaje rutinario ostensivo; la Rota no hace eso.",2064.1,2069.38,{"idx":2960,"utterance_id":2961,"speaker_name":175,"text":2962,"start_s":2963,"end_s":2964,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},486,"9999","Es como el golpe de la PM de Río de Janeiro.",2069.42,2071.34,{"idx":2966,"utterance_id":2967,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2968,"start_s":2969,"end_s":2970,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},487,"10000","Por ahí 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mediante la inteligencia, detectar puntos de almacenamiento de droga, detener a traficantes, a los líderes del crimen organizado.",2126.54,2134.54,{"idx":3044,"utterance_id":3045,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3046,"start_s":3047,"end_s":3048,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},500,"10013","Y empezamos.",2135.24,2135.72,{"idx":3050,"utterance_id":3051,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3052,"start_s":3053,"end_s":3054,"word_count":304,"indexable":74},501,"10014","En la operación, en un determinado día, que fue el día 27, la operación comenzó el día 23. Saliendo del túnel de Vila Zilda, tuvimos — sales del túnel, hay un árbol frondoso aquí, que era un punto de espera del crimen.",2136.82,2151.48,{"idx":3056,"utterance_id":3057,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3058,"start_s":3059,"end_s":3060,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},502,"10015","Y esos tipos, tres tipos, dispararon contra la patrulla de la Rota que entró inadvertidamente en una calle sin salida.",2151.62,2158.06,{"idx":3062,"utterance_id":3063,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3064,"start_s":3065,"end_s":3066,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},503,"10016","Y acertaron a dos policías, uno en la mano y el soldado Reis, con una bala que le atravesó el cuerpo, le impactó en el costado y terminó falleciendo.",2159.08,2171.12,{"idx":3068,"utterance_id":3069,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3070,"start_s":3071,"end_s":3072,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},504,"10017","Hubo una intensificación de las 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del PCC en la Baixada Santista.",2209.4,2213.82,{"idx":3140,"utterance_id":3141,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3142,"start_s":3143,"end_s":3144,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},516,"10029","Ese fue uno de los tipos que falleció en un enfrentamiento con la policía.",2215.7,2218.4,{"idx":3146,"utterance_id":3147,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3148,"start_s":3149,"end_s":3150,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},517,"10030","Cuando tú hiciste la operación de asfixia en Guarujá, ¿cuál fue la idea de los tipos?",2222.78,2227.44,{"idx":3152,"utterance_id":3153,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3154,"start_s":3155,"end_s":3156,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},518,"10031","Bueno, entonces vamos a hacer un ataque en Santos para ver si desplazan el contingente de Guarujá a Santos.",2227.54,2232.96,{"idx":3158,"utterance_id":3159,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3160,"start_s":3161,"end_s":3162,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},519,"10032","No hicimos eso.",2233.02,2233.74,{"idx":3164,"utterance_id":3165,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3166,"start_s":3167,"end_s":3168,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},520,"10033","Hicimos, pusimos más efectivos en Santos y mantuvimos el contingente de Guarujá.",2234.26,2238.64,{"idx":3170,"utterance_id":3171,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3172,"start_s":3173,"end_s":3174,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},521,"10034","Los tipos salen en un coche, cuatro tipos en un coche, salen del coche con fusil, fusil 5.56, hacen un disparo contra una patrulla de la PM, alcanzan a una policía por la espalda.",2239.88,2249.68,{"idx":3176,"utterance_id":3177,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3178,"start_s":3179,"end_s":3180,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},522,"10035","Con un disparo de 5.56.",2250,2251.36,{"idx":3182,"utterance_id":3183,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3184,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},523,"10036","Fui a visitar a Cabo Gomes en la Santa Casa de Santos.",2251.4,2255.02,{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},524,"10037","El tiro se quedó en su columna vertebral.",2255.9,2259.8,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},525,"10038","En la vértebra.",2260.52,2261.06,{"idx":3200,"utterance_id":3201,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3202,"start_s":3203,"end_s":3204,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},526,"10039","Fusil 5.56.",2261.86,2262.64,{"idx":3206,"utterance_id":3207,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3208,"start_s":3209,"end_s":3210,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},527,"10040","Arma de las fuerzas armadas.",2262.84,2264.6,{"idx":3212,"utterance_id":3213,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3214,"start_s":3215,"end_s":3216,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},528,"10041","Arma que se usa en operaciones militares.",2264.7,2266.66,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},529,"10042","Combate.",2266.9,2267.32,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},530,"10043","Por eso aquí no alcanzó la médula.",2268.08,2270.8,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},531,"10044","Por eso aquí no quedó parapléjica.",2270.84,2272.48,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},532,"10045","Bueno, fue atendida.",2273.88,2275.6,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},533,"10046","El compañero... que estaba con ella en la guarnición, intercambió disparos, se evadieron hacia el Morro de São Bento.",2276.2,2281.72,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":286,"indexable":74},534,"10047","Y entonces la guarnición de la policía fue tras ellos, hubo intercambio de disparos, de los cuatro, dos fueron detenidos, un delincuente fue herido de pasada, está bien, está preso, era el 02, el segundo del crimen organizado en la Baixada.",2282.42,2297.62,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},535,"10048","Otro murió y el otro se evadió.",2299.06,2301.06,{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},536,"10049","También una importante cúpula del crimen en la Baixada, que estamos buscando.",2301.4,2305.54,{"idx":3266,"utterance_id":3267,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3268,"start_s":3269,"end_s":3270,"word_count":322,"indexable":74},537,"10050","Un soldado de la PM resultó herido en ese intercambio de disparos, que es el soldado Uriel, está también en la Santa Casa de Santos, sufrió una ruptura de la uretra, está con bolsa, va a tener que someterse a una cirugía súper delicada de reconstrucción.",2307.46,2321.14,{"idx":3272,"utterance_id":3273,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3274,"start_s":3275,"end_s":3276,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},538,"10051","Entonces, cuando se habla de esa operación, se cuenta un lado de la historia.",2321.68,2325.2,{"idx":3278,"utterance_id":3279,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3280,"start_s":3281,"end_s":3282,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},539,"10052","Tenemos que entender lo siguiente: allí se está enfrentando lo peor.",2326.94,2330.34,{"idx":3284,"utterance_id":3285,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3286,"start_s":3287,"end_s":3288,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},540,"10053","que es el crimen organizado, que se estableció allí por una serie de razones históricas, por una serie de razones de abandono, por una cuestión geográfica, por la proximidad del puerto.",2331.3,2344.1,{"idx":3290,"utterance_id":3291,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3292,"start_s":3293,"end_s":3294,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},541,"10054","Así que el crimen ha tenido libertad de maniobra allí desde hace algún tiempo y está siendo enfrentado, porque el crimen tiene que ser enfrentado, desafortunadamente.",2344.5,2352.92,{"idx":3296,"utterance_id":3297,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3298,"start_s":3299,"end_s":3300,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},542,"10055","No podemos dejar a la población eternamente a la deriva, o entonces pasa esto: 'no, no, yo no veo por qué el enfrentamiento es malo.'",2353.86,2360.64,{"idx":3302,"utterance_id":3303,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3304,"start_s":3305,"end_s":3306,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},543,"10056","Está ocurriendo algo allí, pero yo voy a mirar hacia otro lado.",2360.72,2364.04,{"idx":3308,"utterance_id":3309,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3310,"start_s":3311,"end_s":3312,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},544,"10057","El enfrentamiento me va a comprometer.",2366.84,2367.92,{"idx":3314,"utterance_id":3315,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3316,"start_s":3317,"end_s":3318,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},545,"10058","La opinión pública se va a poner en mi contra.",2368.48,2370.06,{"idx":3320,"utterance_id":3321,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3322,"start_s":3323,"end_s":3324,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},546,"10059","Los medios me van a criticar duramente.",2371.1,2372.16,{"idx":3326,"utterance_id":3327,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3328,"start_s":3329,"end_s":3330,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},547,"10060","Voy a salir golpeado porque hubo un enfrentamiento y ocurrió un problema.",2372.66,2376.14,{"idx":3332,"utterance_id":3333,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3334,"start_s":3335,"end_s":3336,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},548,"10061","Si eso sucede, eso se va a agrandar cada vez más.",2377.74,2380.7,{"idx":3338,"utterance_id":3339,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3340,"start_s":3341,"end_s":3342,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},549,"10062","Cada vez más grande.",2381.22,2381.82,{"idx":3344,"utterance_id":3345,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3340,"start_s":3346,"end_s":3347,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},550,"10063",2382.18,2382.74,{"idx":3349,"utterance_id":3350,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3351,"start_s":3352,"end_s":3353,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},551,"10064","La infiltración en el poder será cada vez mayor.",2384.62,2386.96,{"idx":3355,"utterance_id":3356,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3357,"start_s":3358,"end_s":3359,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},552,"10065","Y vamos a perder la guerra.",2387.28,2388.18,{"idx":3361,"utterance_id":3362,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3363,"start_s":3364,"end_s":3365,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},553,"10066","Vamos a corroer la sociedad.",2389.2,2391.14,{"idx":3367,"utterance_id":3368,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3369,"start_s":3370,"end_s":3371,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},554,"10067","Entonces eso no puede ocurrir, porque tenemos un Estado que produce... ¿Cuánto drena el tráfico de drogas de oportunidades en el centro de la ciudad de São Paulo?",2391.7,2398.94,{"idx":3373,"utterance_id":3374,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3375,"start_s":3376,"end_s":3377,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},555,"10068","¿Cuánto cuesta la Cracolândia?",2399.18,2400.5,{"idx":3379,"utterance_id":3380,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3381,"start_s":3382,"end_s":3383,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},556,"10069","Ella ya costó más de 100.000 empleos.",2401.2,2402.48,{"idx":3385,"utterance_id":3386,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3387,"start_s":3388,"end_s":3389,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},557,"10070","Solo el año pasado, 20.000 puestos de trabajo se cerraron.",2402.7,2405.02,{"idx":3391,"utterance_id":3392,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3393,"start_s":3394,"end_s":3395,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},558,"10071","Tiene una repercusión económica.",2405.4,2406.16,{"idx":3397,"utterance_id":3398,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3399,"start_s":3400,"end_s":3401,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},559,"10072","¿Cuántos empresarios se están arruinando por culpa de la Cracolândia?",2406.2,2410.88,{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},560,"10073","¿Cuántos padres de familia están perdiendo oportunidades?",2411.46,2413.36,{"idx":3409,"utterance_id":3410,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3411,"start_s":3412,"end_s":3413,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},561,"10074","¿Cuántos comercios están cerrando?",2413.4,2414.66,{"idx":3415,"utterance_id":3416,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3417,"start_s":3418,"end_s":3419,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},562,"10075","Tenemos un centro bonito que se está degradando, degradando, degradando, degradando.",2415.02,2418.12,{"idx":3421,"utterance_id":3422,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3423,"start_s":3424,"end_s":3425,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},563,"10076","Porque el tráfico de drogas está allí, está activo.",2418.6,2421.18,{"idx":3427,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},564,"10077","Y esa actividad genera mucho dinero.",2421.26,2423.24,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},565,"10078","Entonces tenemos que hacer algo.",2423.84,2425.14,{"idx":3439,"utterance_id":3440,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3441,"start_s":3442,"end_s":3443,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},566,"10079","La sociedad tiene que hacer algo.",2425.84,2427.18,{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},567,"10080","Porque si no, vamos a dejar que el narcotráfico crezca indefinidamente.",2427.54,2433,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},568,"10081","Algunos países se enfrentaron y vencieron.",2433.78,2435.96,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},569,"10082","Colombia cambió completamente, enfrentando al cartel de Medellín.",2437.9,2441.16,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},570,"10083","con una serie de acciones.",2442.72,2444.14,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},571,"10084","Y, obviamente, no es solo un enfrentamiento policial.",2444.58,2447.34,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},572,"10085","Tengo que acompañarlo con acción social.",2447.78,2449.08,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},573,"10086","Después, tengo que rescatar a esas personas, sacarlas de las manos de los criminales, tengo que intervenir con vivienda.",2449.14,2454.68,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},574,"10087","Mira la cantidad de palafitos que hay en la Baixada Santista, personas que viven mal, que pasan necesidades, personas que han sido olvidadas por el Estado.",2455.3,2463.94,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},575,"10088","Tenemos que traer novedades a la Baixada, tenemos que traer empleo a la Baixada.",2464.58,2467.66,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},576,"10089","Por eso siempre defendí la privatización del puerto.",2467.72,2471.06,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},577,"10090","No es por la privatización.",2471.42,2472.66,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},578,"10091","De hecho, la privatización del puerto, en teoría, es una concesión, no es una privatización, porque no vendes el activo portuario.",2473.28,2479,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},579,"10092","El activo sigue siendo del Estado.",2479.04,2480.44,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},580,"10093","Concedes la gestión del condominio portuario a un grupo privado.",2480.86,2483.74,{"idx":3529,"utterance_id":3530,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3531,"start_s":3532,"end_s":3533,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},581,"10094","Ahora, ¿cuál es la novedad de eso?",2484.26,2485.54,{"idx":3535,"utterance_id":3536,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3537,"start_s":3538,"end_s":3539,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},582,"10095","Son 20.000 millones de inversión que usted moviliza en poco tiempo.",2485.84,2488.26,{"idx":3541,"utterance_id":3542,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3543,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},583,"10096","Es el aprovechamiento del fondo del canal.",2488.78,2491.08,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},584,"10097","Es el rescate de todo el parque industrial de Cubatão con una nueva industria, una industria verde.",2491.38,2496.66,{"idx":3553,"utterance_id":3554,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3555,"start_s":3556,"end_s":3557,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},585,"10098","Es la generación de oportunidades.",2496.98,2498.34,{"idx":3559,"utterance_id":3560,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3561,"start_s":3562,"end_s":3563,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},586,"10099","Entonces uno comienza a pensar en transformación social.",2498.86,2501.64,{"idx":3565,"utterance_id":3566,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3567,"start_s":3568,"end_s":3569,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},587,"10100","A través del empleo, a través del trabajo, a través del capital.",2502.16,2504.78,{"idx":3571,"utterance_id":3572,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3573,"start_s":3574,"end_s":3575,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},588,"10101","Entonces viene la seguridad.",2505.52,2506.54,{"idx":3577,"utterance_id":3578,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3579,"start_s":3580,"end_s":3581,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},589,"10102","Entonces usted crea un ambiente diferente.",2506.72,2508.72,{"idx":3583,"utterance_id":3584,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3585,"start_s":3586,"end_s":3587,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},590,"10103","Porque si no, el ecosistema que está creado allí es de degradación.",2508.8,2512.38,{"idx":3589,"utterance_id":3590,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3591,"start_s":3592,"end_s":3593,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},591,"10104","Y era necesario hacer ese enfrentamiento al crimen, que no es un enfrentamiento que nosotros queramos.",2513.32,2518.48,{"idx":3595,"utterance_id":3596,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3597,"start_s":3598,"end_s":3599,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},592,"10105","No es algo con lo que usted se quede tranquilo.",2519.1,2521.86,{"idx":3601,"utterance_id":3602,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3603,"start_s":3604,"end_s":3605,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},593,"10106","Es algo que trae preocupación, trae desgaste, moviliza inteligencia.",2522.44,2527.42,{"idx":3607,"utterance_id":3608,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3609,"start_s":3610,"end_s":3611,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},594,"10107","No quiero a mi soldado corriendo riesgo en la calle.",2527.98,2529.76,{"idx":3613,"utterance_id":3614,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3615,"start_s":3616,"end_s":3617,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},595,"10108","No quiero.",2530.5,2530.92,{"idx":3619,"utterance_id":3620,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3621,"start_s":3622,"end_s":3623,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},596,"10109","Nadie quiere.",2531.38,2531.78,{"idx":3625,"utterance_id":3626,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3627,"start_s":3628,"end_s":3629,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},597,"10110","Ahora, muchas veces eso es necesario y la gente no valora lo que tenemos.",2532.56,2536.94,{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},598,"10111","Porque tengo una policía extremadamente profesional.",2537.02,2540.28,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},599,"10112","muy diferente de otras policías.",2540.66,2542.26,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3645,"start_s":3646,"end_s":3647,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},600,"10113","Tengo una policía aquí que tiene 192 años, que tiene una formación excepcional.",2542.84,2547.88,{"idx":3649,"utterance_id":3650,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3651,"start_s":3652,"end_s":3653,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},601,"10114","Tengo militares muy bien preparados.",2547.96,2549.48,{"idx":3655,"utterance_id":3656,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3657,"start_s":3658,"end_s":3659,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},602,"10115","Y fui allá a hablar con la tropa.",2549.52,2550.7,{"idx":3661,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},603,"10116","¿Qué vi?",2551.1,2551.46,{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},604,"10117","¿Una tropa descontrolada, con rabia, queriendo venganza?",2552.08,2554.5,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3094,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},605,"10118",2554.88,2555,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},606,"10119","Vi una tropa serena, sabiendo lo que está haciendo.",2555.56,2558.9,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},607,"10120","Están con incursiones profesionales.",2559.5,2561.22,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},608,"10121","Y eso me daba mucha tranquilidad como gobernador.",2561.88,2563.92,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},609,"10122","Tengo un equipo allí que es profesional, que sabe lo que está haciendo.",2564.04,2566.14,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":69,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":304,"indexable":74},610,"10123","Esos policías, en verdad esta operación aquí, vi en algunos lugares en los medios que había gente que estaba sin las cámaras, algunas cosas no se pudo recuperar las imágenes de cómo ocurrió la operación y eso.",2567.36,2583.52,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":69,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},611,"10124","Eso más o menos encaja en otra cosa que es, ¿cómo va esa conversación sobre las cámaras en los policías?",2584.04,2592.46,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},612,"10125","Mantuvimos las cámaras.",2592.96,2594.58,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},613,"10126","Hoy tengo 10.900 cámaras en la policía, tengo un efectivo de casi 90.000 hombres, 80 y tantos mil hombres.",2595.02,2601.1,{"idx":3726,"utterance_id":3727,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3728,"start_s":3729,"end_s":3730,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},614,"10127","Entonces, quiere decir, no todas las unidades tienen cámara.",2604.04,2606.3,{"idx":3732,"utterance_id":3733,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3734,"start_s":3735,"end_s":3736,"word_count":280,"indexable":74},615,"10128","Entonces, cuando usted bajó allá a Santos, usted tiene la Rota que estaba con cámara, tiene el batallón de choque que vino de Presidente Prudente, que fue a actuar allá en la Baixada, que no tiene cámara.",2606.36,2613.66,{"idx":3738,"utterance_id":3739,"speaker_name":69,"text":3740,"start_s":3741,"end_s":3742,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},616,"10129","Pero eso tampoco es un escándalo.",2613.74,2616.08,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":69,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},617,"10130","Lo que quiero decir con esto es lo siguiente, no es que el tipo quitó la cámara.",2616.12,2621.84,{"idx":3750,"utterance_id":3751,"speaker_name":69,"text":3094,"start_s":3752,"end_s":3753,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},618,"10131",2621.94,2622.08,{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},619,"10132","Es que su unidad no tiene.",2622.38,2623.9,{"idx":3761,"utterance_id":3762,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3763,"start_s":3764,"end_s":3765,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},620,"10133","Su unidad no la está usando.",2624.14,2625.94,{"idx":3767,"utterance_id":3768,"speaker_name":69,"text":3769,"start_s":3770,"end_s":3771,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},621,"10134","A veces da a entender que el loco quitó la cámara.",2626.48,2628.6,{"idx":3773,"utterance_id":3774,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3775,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},622,"10135","Por ejemplo, usted tiene un militar, la cámara está con la dotación de servicio.",2628.84,2633.14,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},623,"10136","Ahí baja un militar que no estaba de servicio, pero fue convocado para esa operación.",2633.36,2637.94,{"idx":3785,"utterance_id":3786,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3787,"start_s":3788,"end_s":3789,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},624,"10137","La unidad de él va a estar con cámara y él va a estar sin.",2638.56,2640.4,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},"10138","Porque está ahí convocado y no está de servicio.",2640.58,2643.26,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},626,"10139","Porque tengo esas cámaras para el personal que está de servicio.",2643.32,2645.28,{"idx":3802,"utterance_id":3803,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3804,"start_s":3805,"end_s":3806,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},627,"10140","No hay cámara para todo el mundo.",2645.72,2646.96,{"idx":3808,"utterance_id":3809,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3810,"start_s":3811,"end_s":3812,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},628,"10141","Y cuando usted piensa en poner... Ah, pues entonces ¿por qué no poner cámara para todo el mundo?",2647.46,2650.54,{"idx":3814,"utterance_id":3815,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3816,"start_s":3817,"end_s":3818,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},629,"10142","Porque es lo siguiente... Tengo varias prioridades para la seguridad pública.",2650.6,2654,{"idx":3820,"utterance_id":3821,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3822,"start_s":3823,"end_s":3824,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},630,"10143","Estoy invirtiendo fuertemente en sistemas de inteligencia.",2654.04,2656.76,{"idx":3826,"utterance_id":3827,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3828,"start_s":3829,"end_s":3830,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},631,"10144","Estoy invirtiendo fuertemente realmente en sistemas, en otros tipos de monitoreo.",2657.16,2665.5,{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},632,"10145","Y entonces pasa que el dinero es finito.",2665.98,2667.58,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},633,"10146","Tengo que elegir qué voy a hacer ahora.",2667.64,2669,{"idx":3844,"utterance_id":3845,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3846,"start_s":3847,"end_s":3848,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},634,"10147","Y la cámara no es barata tampoco.",2669.32,2671.22,{"idx":3850,"utterance_id":3851,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3852,"start_s":3853,"end_s":3854,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},635,"10148","Es caro el almacenamiento, el procesamiento.",2671.38,2673.9,{"idx":3856,"utterance_id":3857,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3858,"start_s":3859,"end_s":3860,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},636,"10149","Entonces tengo que ver dónde voy a hacer la inversión para obtener el mejor efecto en la seguridad pública.",2674.54,2680.2,{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},637,"10150","Estamos teniendo resultados muy interesantes.",2681.84,2683.68,{"idx":3868,"utterance_id":3869,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3870,"start_s":3871,"end_s":3872,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},638,"10151","Desde el inicio del año hasta ahora, estamos alcanzando una cifra de 140 toneladas de droga incautada.",2683.9,2689.64,{"idx":3874,"utterance_id":3875,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3876,"start_s":3877,"end_s":3878,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},639,"10152","Casi todos los días.",2690.38,2691.08,{"idx":3880,"utterance_id":3881,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3882,"start_s":3883,"end_s":3884,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},640,"10153","son 500 kilos aquí, 2,5 toneladas allá.",2691.18,2693.62,{"idx":3886,"utterance_id":3887,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3888,"start_s":3889,"end_s":3890,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},641,"10154","Tuvimos una incautación sola de 12 toneladas.",2694.4,2696.26,{"idx":3892,"utterance_id":3893,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3894,"start_s":3895,"end_s":3896,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},642,"10155","Estamos deteniendo a mucha gente.",2697.1,2698.96,{"idx":3898,"utterance_id":3899,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3900,"start_s":3901,"end_s":3902,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},643,"10156","Sólo traficantes.",2699.22,2699.9,{"idx":3904,"utterance_id":3905,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3906,"start_s":3907,"end_s":3908,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},644,"10157","En el centro de la ciudad de São Paulo, 1.400 detenidos este año.",2699.96,2703.5,{"idx":3910,"utterance_id":3911,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3912,"start_s":3913,"end_s":3914,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},645,"10158","Hemos detenido a 40.000 personas este 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cayendo.",2719.08,2722.56,{"idx":3940,"utterance_id":3941,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3942,"start_s":3943,"end_s":3944,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},650,"10163","¿La población se está sintiendo segura?",2724.08,2725.96,{"idx":3946,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3094,"start_s":3948,"end_s":3949,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},651,"10164",2726.2,2726.42,{"idx":3951,"utterance_id":3952,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3953,"start_s":3954,"end_s":3955,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},652,"10165","Aún hay mucho por hacer.",2726.8,2728.06,{"idx":3957,"utterance_id":3958,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3959,"start_s":3960,"end_s":3961,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},653,"10166","Entonces, necesito continuar invirtiendo en inteligencia, continuar invirtiendo en sistemas.",2728.34,2731.6,{"idx":3963,"utterance_id":3964,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3965,"start_s":3966,"end_s":3967,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},654,"10167","Nuestro equipo fue a Israel.",2731.66,2732.82,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":3969,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3970,"start_s":3971,"end_s":3972,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},"10168","Vamos a traer lo mejor que tengan allí para poder enfrentar de la mejor manera a la criminalidad.",2733.44,2739.36,{"idx":3974,"utterance_id":3975,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3976,"start_s":3977,"end_s":3978,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},656,"10169","Van a necesitar también, de nuevo, el apoyo del poder judicial.",2740.04,2742.72,{"idx":3980,"utterance_id":3981,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3982,"start_s":3983,"end_s":3984,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},657,"10170","Entiendo que tenemos que empezar a repensar la legislación de alguna forma.",2743.3,2747.14,{"idx":3986,"utterance_id":3987,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3988,"start_s":3989,"end_s":3990,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},658,"10171","Y el poder judicial tiene que ayudar porque no se puede detener a una persona que tiene 30 antecedentes policiales.",2747.2,2753.52,{"idx":3992,"utterance_id":3993,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3994,"start_s":3995,"end_s":3996,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},659,"10172","No se puede.",2755.22,2755.44,{"idx":3998,"utterance_id":3999,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4000,"start_s":4001,"end_s":4002,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},660,"10173","No podemos quedarnos en eso... que es pérdida de energía, pérdida de dinero.",2756.84,2760.3,{"idx":4004,"utterance_id":4005,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4006,"start_s":4007,"end_s":4008,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},661,"10174","Todo tiene costo.",2761.88,2762.82,{"idx":4010,"utterance_id":4011,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4012,"start_s":4013,"end_s":4014,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},662,"10175","Y eso ocurre.",2763.54,2764.48,{"idx":4016,"utterance_id":4017,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4018,"start_s":4019,"end_s":4020,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},663,"10176","A veces detenemos al tipo que roba el celular.",2766.3,2768.66,{"idx":4022,"utterance_id":4023,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4024,"start_s":4025,"end_s":4026,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},664,"10177","Lo detienen la primera vez, lo liberan en la audiencia de custodia.",2769.46,2771.66,{"idx":4028,"utterance_id":4029,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4030,"start_s":4031,"end_s":4032,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},665,"10178","Lo detienen la segunda vez, lo liberan en la audiencia de custodia.",2771.72,2773.78,{"idx":4034,"utterance_id":4035,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4036,"start_s":4037,"end_s":4038,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},666,"10179","Lo detienen la tercera vez, lo liberan en la audiencia de custodia.",2773.86,2775.78,{"idx":4040,"utterance_id":4041,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4042,"start_s":4043,"end_s":4044,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},667,"10180","En poco tiempo se está burlando.",2775.82,2776.7,{"idx":4046,"utterance_id":4047,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4048,"start_s":4049,"end_s":4050,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},668,"10181","Se burla del Estado.",2777.4,2778.4,{"idx":4052,"utterance_id":4053,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4054,"start_s":4055,"end_s":4056,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},669,"10182","No va a pasar nada.",2779.5,2780.34,{"idx":4058,"utterance_id":4059,"speaker_name":69,"text":4060,"start_s":4061,"end_s":4062,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},670,"10183","Yo ya he visto eso, incluso.",2780.38,2781.28,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4064,"speaker_name":69,"text":4065,"start_s":4066,"end_s":4067,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},"10184","Ah, voy a la audiencia de custodia, no pasa nada.",2781.52,2783.42,{"idx":4069,"utterance_id":4070,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4071,"start_s":4072,"end_s":4073,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},672,"10185","Ya lo he visto.",2783.74,2784.52,{"idx":4075,"utterance_id":4076,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4077,"start_s":4078,"end_s":4079,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},673,"10186","Sí, la gente se burla.",2784.74,2785.72,{"idx":4081,"utterance_id":4082,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4083,"start_s":4084,"end_s":4085,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},674,"10187","La gente se burla.",2786.12,2786.82,{"idx":4087,"utterance_id":4088,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4089,"start_s":4090,"end_s":4091,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},675,"10188","¿Ve? Esto de la Cracolândia ahora.",2787.2,2789.16,{"idx":4093,"utterance_id":4094,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4095,"start_s":4096,"end_s":4097,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},676,"10189","La policía allí montó todo un aparato de inteligencia.",2790.4,2793.8,{"idx":4099,"utterance_id":4100,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4101,"start_s":4102,"end_s":4103,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},677,"10190","Para tener la certeza de que el tipo es traficante, lo filman, lo ven comerciando, lo ven vendiendo.",2794.56,2800.76,{"idx":4105,"utterance_id":4106,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4107,"start_s":4108,"end_s":4109,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},678,"10191","Y aun así, hace una operación, detiene a 15, mañana 12 están sueltos.",2801.76,2805.38,{"idx":4111,"utterance_id":4112,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4113,"start_s":4114,"end_s":4115,"word_count":334,"indexable":74},679,"10192","Por eso digo, vamos a ver cómo vamos a monitorear a esos tipos, cómo vamos a endurecer las penas, cómo vamos a mantenerlos presos, porque si no no resolvemos el problema.",2806.84,2815.92,{"idx":4117,"utterance_id":4118,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4119,"start_s":4120,"end_s":4121,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},680,"10193","Vamos a estar simplemente tapando el olor.",2816.44,2817.3,{"idx":4123,"utterance_id":4124,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4125,"start_s":4126,"end_s":4127,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},681,"10194","Por eso digo, este problema es de todos.",2818.08,2820.36,{"idx":4129,"utterance_id":4130,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4131,"start_s":4132,"end_s":4133,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},682,"10195","Tenemos que pensar siempre lo siguiente: ¿qué sociedad queremos?",2820.42,2823.82,{"idx":4135,"utterance_id":4136,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4137,"start_s":4138,"end_s":4139,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},683,"10196","¿Qué seguridad quiero para mi hijo, para mi nieto, para el comerciante, para la ama de casa?",2825.26,2831.34,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4141,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4142,"start_s":4143,"end_s":4144,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"10197","Porque, al final, ¿quién será la víctima de la violencia?",2832.08,2834.94,{"idx":4146,"utterance_id":4147,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4148,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},685,"10198","Será el motoboy que está pagando una moto con financiamiento y le robaron la moto, no terminó de pagar el financiamiento y tendrá que comprar otra.",2835.04,2841.24,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},686,"10199","Ese tipo es la víctima, porque la moto de ese hombre va a ser robada.",2842.4,2845,{"idx":4158,"utterance_id":4159,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4160,"start_s":4161,"end_s":4162,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},687,"10200","¿Entendiste?",2846.08,2846.3,{"idx":4164,"utterance_id":4165,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4166,"start_s":4167,"end_s":4168,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},688,"10201","El que va a ser la mayor víctima es quien más lo necesita, es quien está jodido.",2847.54,2850.62,{"idx":4170,"utterance_id":4171,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4172,"start_s":4173,"end_s":4174,"word_count":280,"indexable":74},689,"10202","Porque la mayor víctima de esta violencia, de la falta de seguridad, es el pobre, es el trabajador, es el que compró el celular a plazos y todavía lo está pagando, y le robaron el celular.",2851.5,2862.92,{"idx":4176,"utterance_id":4177,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4178,"start_s":4179,"end_s":4180,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},690,"10203","Hoy detuvimos a un gran receptor de celulares robados.",2863.64,2868.66,{"idx":4182,"utterance_id":4183,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4184,"start_s":4185,"end_s":4186,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},691,"10204","Estaba allí con no sé cuántos celulares, el tipo que exporta celulares a África.",2868.72,2872.78,{"idx":4188,"utterance_id":4189,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4190,"start_s":4191,"end_s":4192,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},692,"10205","Desmantelamos una oficina que forzaba la seguridad de celulares.",2874.2,2881.6,{"idx":4194,"utterance_id":4195,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4196,"start_s":4197,"end_s":4198,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},693,"10206","Mira, hay varios de esos.",2882.3,2884.82,{"idx":4200,"utterance_id":4201,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4202,"start_s":4203,"end_s":4204,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},694,"10207","Y hay tipos que trabajan para esos receptadores, ya han sido detenidos varias veces.",2884.9,2889.1,{"idx":4206,"utterance_id":4207,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4208,"start_s":4209,"end_s":4210,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},695,"10208","Incluso al propio receptor lo detenemos; a veces lo liberan.",2889.16,2891.42,{"idx":4212,"utterance_id":4213,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4214,"start_s":4215,"end_s":4216,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},696,"10209","En cuanto a la seguridad, la policía está trabajando.",2892.42,2894.94,{"idx":4218,"utterance_id":4219,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4220,"start_s":4221,"end_s":4222,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},697,"10210","Entonces tenemos que empezar.",2895,2895.74,{"idx":4224,"utterance_id":4225,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4226,"start_s":4227,"end_s":4228,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},698,"10211","Estamos usando cada vez más sistemas.",2895.78,2897.46,{"idx":4230,"utterance_id":4231,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4232,"start_s":4233,"end_s":4234,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},699,"10212","Estamos usando cada vez más cámaras inteligentes.",2897.52,2899.66,{"idx":4236,"utterance_id":4237,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4238,"start_s":4239,"end_s":4240,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},700,"10213","Por eso estamos produciendo más.",2900.38,2902.5,{"idx":4242,"utterance_id":4243,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4244,"start_s":4245,"end_s":4246,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},701,"10214","Creo que tenemos que seguir produciendo más, produciendo más, porque ahora vamos a estar perdiendo el tiempo, perdiendo el tiempo, perdiendo el tiempo, pero llegará un momento en que esto va a caer.",2902.54,2908.44,{"idx":4248,"utterance_id":4249,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4250,"start_s":4251,"end_s":4252,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},702,"10215","Y empezaremos a tener una sociedad más segura, que es lo que necesitamos.",2908.86,2911.68,{"idx":4254,"utterance_id":4255,"speaker_name":69,"text":4256,"start_s":4257,"end_s":4258,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},703,"10216","Mira, tengo una duda sobre, no necesariamente sobre la operación Escudo, sino sobre las operaciones en general.",2911.96,2917.94,{"idx":4260,"utterance_id":4261,"speaker_name":69,"text":4262,"start_s":4263,"end_s":4264,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},704,"10217","¿Tú participas de esas conversaciones para... para idearlas, para que esas operaciones salgan a la luz, hombre?",2919.56,2925.02,{"idx":4266,"utterance_id":4267,"speaker_name":69,"text":4268,"start_s":4269,"end_s":4270,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},705,"10218","¿Así es como funciona?",2925.06,2925.8,{"idx":4272,"utterance_id":4273,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4274,"start_s":4275,"end_s":4276,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},706,"10219","No, no participo, porque quien tiene que montar una operación es quien entiende de operaciones.",2926.24,2931.08,{"idx":4278,"utterance_id":4279,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4280,"start_s":4281,"end_s":4282,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},707,"10220","Tengo una experiencia interesante: estuve en el ejército hace 17 años.",2931.16,2934.92,{"idx":4284,"utterance_id":4285,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4286,"start_s":4287,"end_s":4288,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},708,"10221","Estuve en Haití, en el segundo contingente de la misión en Haití; allí la cosa se ponía fea.",2936.66,2943.88,{"idx":4290,"utterance_id":4291,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4292,"start_s":4293,"end_s":4294,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},709,"10222","Me tocó un país en conflicto, entré en combate allí muchas veces.",2944.22,2947.02,{"idx":4296,"utterance_id":4297,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4298,"start_s":4299,"end_s":4300,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},710,"10223","Pero es completamente diferente.",2947.76,2950.26,{"idx":4302,"utterance_id":4303,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4304,"start_s":4305,"end_s":4306,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},711,"10224","Así que tenemos profesionales muy bien preparados.",2951.28,2954.38,{"idx":4308,"utterance_id":4309,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4310,"start_s":4311,"end_s":4312,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},712,"10225","Ahora, ellos despachan conmigo; me dicen: mira, vamos a deflagrar una operación así, así, así.",2954.44,2959.94,{"idx":4314,"utterance_id":4315,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4316,"start_s":4317,"end_s":4318,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},713,"10226","Entonces, la información me llega a mí.",2960.42,2963.84,{"idx":4320,"utterance_id":4321,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4322,"start_s":4323,"end_s":4324,"word_count":286,"indexable":74},714,"10227","El secretario de seguridad viene con el comandante general de la PM, con el delegado general de la Policía Civil; hay una gran integración entre esos agentes de seguridad, están trabajando juntos, eso es muy importante para lograr una armonía.",2965.1,2974.92,{"idx":4326,"utterance_id":4327,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4328,"start_s":4329,"end_s":4330,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},715,"10228","entre las policías y ellos despachan conmigo.",2975.68,2977.82,{"idx":4332,"utterance_id":4333,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4334,"start_s":4335,"end_s":4336,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},716,"10229","Yo digo: no, es eso mismo, vamos.",2977.86,2979.08,{"idx":4338,"utterance_id":4339,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4340,"start_s":4341,"end_s":4342,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},717,"10230","O a veces yo mismo propongo: necesitamos pensar en algo para esa región.",2979.46,2982.78,{"idx":4344,"utterance_id":4345,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4346,"start_s":4347,"end_s":4348,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},718,"10231","Y entonces ellos arquitectan, traman, planean esas operaciones.",2983.38,2987,{"idx":4350,"utterance_id":4351,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4352,"start_s":4353,"end_s":4354,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},719,"10232","Entendí.",2987.6,2987.88,{"idx":4356,"utterance_id":4357,"speaker_name":69,"text":4358,"start_s":4359,"end_s":4360,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},720,"10233","Amigo, ¿cómo está el... Vi que hay un grupo ahí que solía estar de tu lado.",2989.14,2996.34,{"idx":4362,"utterance_id":4363,"speaker_name":69,"text":4364,"start_s":4365,"end_s":4366,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},721,"10234","y que se está burlando de ti ahí en internet.",2997.18,2999.62,{"idx":4368,"utterance_id":4369,"speaker_name":69,"text":4370,"start_s":4371,"end_s":4372,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},722,"10235","No, 95%, no sé qué y tal.",2999.94,3002.66,{"idx":4374,"utterance_id":4375,"speaker_name":69,"text":4376,"start_s":4377,"end_s":4378,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},723,"10236","Ese asunto del 95% tiene que ver con la reforma tributaria, que, bueno, tú estabas... ¿cómo era?",3003.74,3010.66,{"idx":4380,"utterance_id":4381,"speaker_name":69,"text":4382,"start_s":4383,"end_s":4384,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},724,"10237","A ti te gustaba el 95% de ella, ¿no?",3010.74,3012.9,{"idx":4386,"utterance_id":4387,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4388,"start_s":4389,"end_s":4390,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},725,"10238","Dije que estaba de acuerdo con el 95% del texto, ¿no?",3013.1,3015.56,{"idx":4392,"utterance_id":4393,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4394,"start_s":4395,"end_s":4396,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},726,"10239","¿Qué quise decir con eso?",3016.04,3017.04,{"idx":4398,"utterance_id":4399,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4400,"start_s":4401,"end_s":4402,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},727,"10240","Simple.",3017.32,3017.66,{"idx":4404,"utterance_id":4405,"speaker_name":175,"text":4406,"start_s":4407,"end_s":4408,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},728,"10241","Estoy de acuerdo con el 95% del texto.",3018.86,3020.1,{"idx":4410,"utterance_id":4411,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4412,"start_s":4413,"end_s":4414,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},729,"10242","Parece obvio.",3020.58,3021.52,{"idx":4416,"utterance_id":4417,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4418,"start_s":4419,"end_s":4420,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},730,"10243","El texto, mira, creo que avanzó bastante, hay muchas cosas con las que estoy de acuerdo y hay algún ajuste que creo que tenemos que hacer.",3022.4,3028.02,{"idx":4422,"utterance_id":4423,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4424,"start_s":4425,"end_s":4426,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},731,"10244","Es así de simple.",3028.1,3028.6,{"idx":4428,"utterance_id":4429,"speaker_name":69,"text":4430,"start_s":4431,"end_s":4432,"word_count":304,"indexable":74},732,"10245","Sí. Y eso te puso en una... No sé si fue solo eso, pero hoy tú estás, al menos para quien mira desde fuera como yo, en una posición en la que hay una ruptura dentro de tu propio... de tu propia gente.",3028.92,3045.68,{"idx":4434,"utterance_id":4435,"speaker_name":69,"text":4436,"start_s":4437,"end_s":4438,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},733,"10246","Hay gente que está contigo, hay gente que no está contigo.",3045.76,3048.16,{"idx":4440,"utterance_id":4441,"speaker_name":69,"text":4442,"start_s":4443,"end_s":4444,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},734,"10247","¿Eso te complica, amigo?",3048.38,3049.68,{"idx":4446,"utterance_id":4447,"speaker_name":175,"text":4448,"start_s":4449,"end_s":4450,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},735,"10248","A mí no me importa.",3050.52,3050.9,{"idx":4452,"utterance_id":4453,"speaker_name":175,"text":4454,"start_s":4455,"end_s":4456,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},736,"10249","¿Sí?",3051.48,3051.98,{"idx":4458,"utterance_id":4459,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3094,"start_s":4460,"end_s":4461,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},737,"10250",3051.94,3052.06,{"idx":4463,"utterance_id":4464,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4465,"start_s":4466,"end_s":4467,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},738,"10251","Estoy muy tranquilo, para decir la verdad.",3052.68,3053.66,{"idx":4469,"utterance_id":4470,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4471,"start_s":4472,"end_s":4473,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},739,"10252","Porque es lo siguiente: a veces son... Son media docena de tipos, que son extremadamente ruidosos, pero son media docena de tipos.",3055.4,3062.84,{"idx":4475,"utterance_id":4476,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4477,"start_s":4478,"end_s":4479,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},740,"10253","Y tipos que, a veces, no entienden lo que estamos haciendo.",3063.76,3066.56,{"idx":4481,"utterance_id":4482,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4483,"start_s":4484,"end_s":4485,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},741,"10254","Amigo, estoy aquí como gobernador del estado de São Paulo.",3068.04,3070.24,{"idx":4487,"utterance_id":4488,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4489,"start_s":4490,"end_s":4491,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},742,"10255","Tengo que defender el interés del estado de São Paulo.",3071.02,3073.04,{"idx":4493,"utterance_id":4494,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4495,"start_s":4496,"end_s":4497,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},743,"10256","Cuando piensas en la reforma tributaria, la reforma 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pieza.",3123.08,3124.54,{"idx":4564,"utterance_id":4565,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4566,"start_s":4567,"end_s":4568,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},755,"10268","Está lejos de quienes consumen su producto.",3124.6,3126.08,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4570,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4571,"start_s":4572,"end_s":4573,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},"10269","Entonces voy a tener la pieza siendo producida aquí, yendo a otro estado para que un determinado bien sea montado allí, para que luego vuelva aquí para ser consumido.",3126.62,3134.76,{"idx":4575,"utterance_id":4576,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4577,"start_s":4578,"end_s":4579,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},757,"10270","Eso es ineficiencia de nuestra economía.",3134.84,3136.72,{"idx":4581,"utterance_id":4582,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4583,"start_s":4584,"end_s":4585,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},758,"10271","Es por los impuestos.",3137.98,3138.4,{"idx":4587,"utterance_id":4588,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4589,"start_s":4590,"end_s":4591,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},759,"10272","Es porque el ICMS aquí es 17 y allá es 2.",3138.46,3140.98,{"idx":4593,"utterance_id":4594,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4595,"start_s":4596,"end_s":4597,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},760,"10273","Y entonces no puedes competir.",3141.74,3142.72,{"idx":4599,"utterance_id":4600,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4601,"start_s":4602,"end_s":4603,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},761,"10274","Cuando tengas una uniformización de la alícuota, eso estará resuelto.",3143.24,3146.06,{"idx":4605,"utterance_id":4606,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4607,"start_s":4608,"end_s":4609,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},762,"10275","Sin contar que necesitas un sistema tributario más 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Pero ahora, para quien... No tengo nada que ver con la política, llevo poco tiempo en esto, entré medio por casualidad.",3157.66,3163.34,{"idx":4629,"utterance_id":4630,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4631,"start_s":4632,"end_s":4633,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},766,"10279","Pero, en fin, es algo que ya se puede captar.",3163.86,3166.96,{"idx":4635,"utterance_id":4636,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4637,"start_s":4638,"end_s":4639,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},767,"10280","¿Cuál es el mejor proyecto del mundo?",3167.72,3170.24,{"idx":4641,"utterance_id":4642,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4643,"start_s":4644,"end_s":4645,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},768,"10281","Es el proyecto aprobado.",3170.94,3171.88,{"idx":4647,"utterance_id":4648,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4649,"start_s":4650,"end_s":4651,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},769,"10282","El mejor proyecto es el proyecto posible.",3172.52,3174.34,{"idx":4653,"utterance_id":4654,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4655,"start_s":4656,"end_s":4657,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},770,"10283","Entonces es lo siguiente: ¿va a pasar?",3174.78,3175.88,{"idx":4659,"utterance_id":4660,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4661,"start_s":4662,"end_s":4663,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},771,"10284","Sí.",3176,3176.16,{"idx":4665,"utterance_id":4666,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4667,"start_s":4668,"end_s":4669,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},772,"10285","Entonces déjame contribuir aquí para mejorar donde sea posible.",3176.3,3178.38,{"idx":4671,"utterance_id":4672,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4673,"start_s":4674,"end_s":4675,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},773,"10286","Otra cosa: esto va a beneficiar a mi estado, el estado que estoy representando.",3179.18,3182.32,{"idx":4677,"utterance_id":4678,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4679,"start_s":4680,"end_s":4681,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},774,"10287","Porque si la industria de São Paulo llega, mira, esto es bueno para mí.",3182.96,3185.32,{"idx":4683,"utterance_id":4684,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4685,"start_s":4686,"end_s":4687,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},775,"10288","Si el sector de servicios llega, mira, este ajuste me benefició.",3187.44,3190.34,{"idx":4689,"utterance_id":4690,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4691,"start_s":4692,"end_s":4693,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},776,"10289","Si el supermercado llegó, hicieron ese ajuste, anularon la líquida del ICMS, anularon la líquida del IBS de la canasta básica y me benefició.",3190.44,3196.8,{"idx":4695,"utterance_id":4696,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4697,"start_s":4698,"end_s":4699,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},777,"10290","Sector de educación: no, fui atendido porque entré en la líquida reducida.",3197.14,3200.06,{"idx":4701,"utterance_id":4702,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4703,"start_s":4704,"end_s":4705,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},778,"10291","El sector de transporte: no, yo estoy en la líquida reducida y tal.",3200.96,3203.58,{"idx":4707,"utterance_id":4708,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4709,"start_s":4710,"end_s":4711,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},779,"10292","Eh, ¿está todo el mundo tranquilo?",3204.42,3205.78,{"idx":4713,"utterance_id":4714,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4715,"start_s":4716,"end_s":4717,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},780,"10293","¿Están cómodos?",3205.88,3206.48,{"idx":4719,"utterance_id":4720,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4721,"start_s":4722,"end_s":4723,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},781,"10294","Entonces sigamos.",3206.52,3207.3,{"idx":4725,"utterance_id":4726,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4727,"start_s":4728,"end_s":4729,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},782,"10295","Nosotros hicimos aquí, en la Secretaría de Hacienda, varias simulaciones.",3207.64,3210.32,{"idx":4731,"utterance_id":4732,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4733,"start_s":4734,"end_s":4735,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},783,"10296","Para entender la dinámica.",3211.18,3212.58,{"idx":4737,"utterance_id":4738,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4739,"start_s":4740,"end_s":4741,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},784,"10297","¿Cómo va a funcionar esto?",3212.72,3213.74,{"idx":4743,"utterance_id":4744,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4745,"start_s":4746,"end_s":4747,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},785,"10298","Hemos estado estudiando, estudiando, estudiando, estudiando.",3213.86,3215.78,{"idx":4749,"utterance_id":4750,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4751,"start_s":4752,"end_s":4753,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},786,"10299","Y a veces la gente se ve llevada a manifestarse por la opinión... El tipo oyó que es malo.",3217.16,3222.96,{"idx":4755,"utterance_id":4756,"speaker_name":69,"text":4757,"start_s":4758,"end_s":4759,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},787,"10300","Es malo solo porque es el bando Y el que lo propone.",3224.74,3227.98,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4761,"speaker_name":69,"text":4762,"start_s":4763,"end_s":4764,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"10301","Y ni siquiera lo es, en realidad.",3228.04,3228.9,{"idx":4766,"utterance_id":4767,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4768,"start_s":4769,"end_s":4770,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},789,"10302","Ni siquiera. Nació con nosotros.",3229.02,3232.22,{"idx":4772,"utterance_id":4773,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4774,"start_s":4775,"end_s":4776,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},790,"10303","Bueno, está bien.",3235.08,3235.64,{"idx":4778,"utterance_id":4779,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4780,"start_s":4781,"end_s":4782,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},791,"10304","¿Qué disposición es realmente mala?",3235.76,3237.82,{"idx":4784,"utterance_id":4785,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4786,"start_s":4787,"end_s":4788,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},792,"10305","No sé.",3238.28,3238.5,{"idx":4790,"utterance_id":4791,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4792,"start_s":4793,"end_s":4794,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},793,"10306","¿Qué estás criticando exactamente?",3239.84,3241.24,{"idx":4796,"utterance_id":4797,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4798,"start_s":4799,"end_s":4800,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},794,"10307","¿Qué crees que no funciona?",3241.42,3242.46,{"idx":4802,"utterance_id":4803,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4804,"start_s":4805,"end_s":4806,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},795,"10308","No, pero eso va a aumentar los precios de los alimentos.",3243.86,3245.88,{"idx":4808,"utterance_id":4809,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4810,"start_s":4811,"end_s":4812,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},796,"10309","No, pero la canasta básica queda en cero.",3245.94,3247.26,{"idx":4814,"utterance_id":4815,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4816,"start_s":4817,"end_s":4818,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},797,"10310","¿Ah, sí?",3248.26,3248.44,{"idx":4820,"utterance_id":4821,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4822,"start_s":4823,"end_s":4824,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},798,"10311","Sí. No, pero, oye, esto se va a poner más caro.",3248.86,3252.08,{"idx":4826,"utterance_id":4827,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4828,"start_s":4829,"end_s":4830,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},799,"10312","No, pero la industria está teniendo una reducción de la alícuota prácticamente a la mitad.",3252.12,3255.54,{"idx":4832,"utterance_id":4833,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4834,"start_s":4835,"end_s":4836,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},800,"10313","El que pagaba 40% no va a pagar 20, 20 y poco.",3255.84,3258.14,{"idx":4838,"utterance_id":4839,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4816,"start_s":4840,"end_s":4841,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},801,"10314",3258.98,3259.14,{"idx":4843,"utterance_id":4844,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4845,"start_s":4846,"end_s":4847,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},802,"10315","Sí. Ah, pero yo creo que esto... No, no, no, esto está resuelto.",3259.52,3262.94,{"idx":4849,"utterance_id":4850,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4851,"start_s":4852,"end_s":4853,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},803,"10316","Esto está en la alícuota reducida.",3263.02,3264.2,{"idx":4855,"utterance_id":4856,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4816,"start_s":4857,"end_s":4858,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},804,"10317",3264.38,3264.54,{"idx":4860,"utterance_id":4861,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4862,"start_s":4863,"end_s":4864,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},805,"10318","¿Quedó en la alícuota reducida?",3264.64,3265.56,{"idx":4866,"utterance_id":4867,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4868,"start_s":4869,"end_s":4870,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},806,"10319","Sí, quedó.",3265.62,3265.92,{"idx":4872,"utterance_id":4873,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4874,"start_s":4875,"end_s":4876,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},807,"10320","Ah, yo no sabía.",3267.02,3268.08,{"idx":4878,"utterance_id":4879,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4880,"start_s":4881,"end_s":4882,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},808,"10321","¿Cuántas disposiciones... No, no lo leí.",3269.12,3270.46,{"idx":4884,"utterance_id":4885,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4886,"start_s":4887,"end_s":4888,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},809,"10322","¿Cuántas simulaciones hiciste?",3271.94,3273.1,{"idx":4890,"utterance_id":4891,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4892,"start_s":4893,"end_s":4894,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},810,"10323","¿Estudiaste esto?",3274.36,3275.26,{"idx":4896,"utterance_id":4897,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3094,"start_s":4898,"end_s":4899,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},811,"10324",3275.3,3275.42,{"idx":4901,"utterance_id":4902,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4903,"start_s":4904,"end_s":4905,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},812,"10325","¿Viste el texto, al menos?",3275.64,3277.12,{"idx":4907,"utterance_id":4908,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3094,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},813,"10326",3277.18,3277.24,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},814,"10327","¿Lo tomaste?",3277.28,3278.14,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":3094,"start_s":4920,"end_s":4921,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},815,"10328",3278.24,3278.36,{"idx":4923,"utterance_id":4924,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4925,"start_s":4926,"end_s":4927,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},816,"10329","¡Joder!",3278.96,3281.36,{"idx":4929,"utterance_id":4930,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4931,"start_s":4932,"end_s":4933,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},817,"10330","Eso es lo que pasa, ¡joder!",3281.54,3282.58,{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":69,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},818,"10331","¿Cómo se hacen... cómo son esas simulaciones de las que hablas que se hicieron allí, cómo es?",3283.58,3288.94,{"idx":4941,"utterance_id":4942,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4943,"start_s":4944,"end_s":4945,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},819,"10332","La Secretaría de Hacienda empieza a simular lo siguiente.",3289.12,3291.68,{"idx":4947,"utterance_id":4948,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4949,"start_s":4950,"end_s":4951,"word_count":381,"indexable":74},820,"10333","Tienes una... una base, tienes una base tributaria, nosotros seguimos la recaudación todos los días, entonces sé cuánto recaudo por naturaleza de actividad, y veo lo siguiente: cuando entre, cuando salga el ICMS, cuando se haga el cambio y haya entrado el IBS, ¿cómo va a quedar eso?",3291.76,3309.2,{"idx":4953,"utterance_id":4954,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4955,"start_s":4956,"end_s":4957,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},821,"10334","Período de transición de la recaudación.",3309.86,3311.6,{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},822,"10335","¿Cómo va a funcionar?",3311.68,3312.58,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},823,"10336","Porque ahí tengo una fotografía de 24 a 28 y una entrada gradual de la recaudación del IBS.",3313.16,3319.04,{"idx":4971,"utterance_id":4972,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4973,"start_s":4974,"end_s":4975,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},824,"10337","Entonces, tengo un porcentaje que es esa fotografía y la entrada paulatina del IBS.",3319.3,3323.26,{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},825,"10338","Entonces, ¿cómo va a funcionar esto?",3323.3,3324.4,{"idx":4983,"utterance_id":4984,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4985,"start_s":4986,"end_s":4987,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},826,"10339","Y entonces vamos simulando.",3324.54,3325.94,{"idx":4989,"utterance_id":4990,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4991,"start_s":4992,"end_s":4993,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},827,"10340","¿Cuánto va a ser la entrada?",3326.32,3327.18,{"idx":4995,"utterance_id":4996,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4997,"start_s":4998,"end_s":4999,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},828,"10341","¿Cuánto es mi recaudación hoy?",3327.34,3328.54,{"idx":5001,"utterance_id":5002,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5003,"start_s":5004,"end_s":5005,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},829,"10342","¿Cuánto va a ser la recaudación mañana?",3328.58,3329.72,{"idx":5007,"utterance_id":5008,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5009,"start_s":5010,"end_s":5011,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},830,"10343","Eso, a veces, sin tener la capacidad de ver lo siguiente, solo que dejamos de perder concreto otorgado, etc.",3330.32,3337.14,{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":316,"indexable":74},831,"10344","sin, a veces, profundizar en la desmovilización de empresas de otros lugares que vienen para acá, porque tienes aquí infraestructura, tienes aquí un mundo de obras, y a veces las empresas no están aquí por causa de la diferencia de alícuota del ICMS.",3338.94,3350.92,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},832,"10345","Son industrias farmacéuticas que están en São Paulo y tienen planta en otros estados que el tipo va a parar y a pensar así: 'pero, ¿por qué tengo esta planta en ese otro estado?'",3351.66,3357.56,{"idx":5025,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},833,"10346","No, vuelvo a São Paulo.",3358.08,3359.12,{"idx":5031,"utterance_id":5032,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5033,"start_s":5034,"end_s":5035,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},834,"10347","Algunas anomalías que creaste en regiones de frontera.",3360.32,3363.2,{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},835,"10348","No, no, espera.",3363.38,3363.84,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},836,"10349","Ya no necesito este CD, este centro de distribución.",3363.88,3365.9,{"idx":5049,"utterance_id":5050,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5051,"start_s":5052,"end_s":5053,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},837,"10350","Me voy a volver a São Paulo.",3365.94,3366.92,{"idx":5055,"utterance_id":5056,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5057,"start_s":5058,"end_s":5059,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},838,"10351","Y cosas por el estilo.",3367.44,3367.78,{"idx":5061,"utterance_id":5062,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5063,"start_s":5064,"end_s":5065,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},839,"10352","Entonces, es...",3368.28,3368.8,{"idx":5067,"utterance_id":5068,"speaker_name":69,"text":5069,"start_s":5070,"end_s":5071,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},840,"10353","Estás hablando de algo que entra en... que se vuelve realmente real.",3368.84,3374.8,{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":69,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},841,"10354","Así es, dentro de 10 años, ¿no?",3374.9,3376.62,{"idx":5079,"utterance_id":5080,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5081,"start_s":5082,"end_s":5083,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},842,"10355","El verdadero cambio ocurre en 2033.",3377.4,3378.42,{"idx":5085,"utterance_id":5086,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5087,"start_s":5088,"end_s":5089,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},843,"10356","Entonces, así, el...",3380,3380.92,{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":69,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},844,"10357","Es decir, ¿qué quiero decir con esto?",3381.46,3382.66,{"idx":5097,"utterance_id":5098,"speaker_name":69,"text":5099,"start_s":5100,"end_s":5101,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},845,"10358","No eres tú el que se va a beneficiar.",3382.72,3385.04,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5103,"speaker_name":69,"text":5104,"start_s":5105,"end_s":5106,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},"10359","No es Lula el que se va a beneficiar.",3385.4,3386.94,{"idx":5108,"utterance_id":5109,"speaker_name":69,"text":5110,"start_s":5111,"end_s":5112,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},847,"10360","No es... Somos nosotros, dentro de 10 años.",3387.52,3391.78,{"idx":5114,"utterance_id":5115,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5116,"start_s":5117,"end_s":5118,"word_count":500,"indexable":74},848,"10361","Porque es así: creas una expectativa positiva para la economía, de cierta forma dejamos de perder negocios, porque el tipo que a veces está pensando en irse de aquí por una alícuota, si hubiera hecho una inversión para mudarse y en el 33 hay la virada de chave y la alícuota pasa a ser la misma, ya no amortizo mi capital, entonces ya no me voy a ir, me quedaré aquí mismo.",3392.3,3409.9,{"idx":5120,"utterance_id":5121,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5122,"start_s":5123,"end_s":5124,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},849,"10362","¿intentando tomar mi decisión de inversión?",3411.88,3413.66,{"idx":5126,"utterance_id":5127,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5128,"start_s":5129,"end_s":5130,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},850,"10363","Voy a invertir aquí en el estado de São Paulo porque va a haber ese giro-clave y esa diferencia de alícuota ya no va a compensar.",3413.78,3419.78,{"idx":5132,"utterance_id":5133,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5134,"start_s":5135,"end_s":5136,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},851,"10364","No amortizo la inversión que quiero hacer en ese intervalo de tiempo.",3420.44,3423.62,{"idx":5138,"utterance_id":5139,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5140,"start_s":5141,"end_s":5142,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},852,"10365","Entonces, la reforma para São Paulo es beneficiosa.",3424.2,3427.84,{"idx":5144,"utterance_id":5145,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5146,"start_s":5147,"end_s":5148,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},853,"10366","Así que esto fue bastante ensayado, bastante simulado.",3428.26,3430.58,{"idx":5150,"utterance_id":5151,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5152,"start_s":5153,"end_s":5154,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},854,"10367","Algunas cuestiones en el texto fueron... Somos atendidos, somos contemplados.",3431.42,3435.86,{"idx":5156,"utterance_id":5157,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5158,"start_s":5159,"end_s":5160,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},855,"10368","Ahora habrá una discusión del Senado.",3436.22,3437.42,{"idx":5162,"utterance_id":5163,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5164,"start_s":5165,"end_s":5166,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},856,"10369","El Senado va a querer, obviamente, hacer los perfeccionamientos que juzgue necesarios.",3437.46,3442.26,{"idx":5168,"utterance_id":5169,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5170,"start_s":5171,"end_s":5172,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},857,"10370","Y va a hacer los perfeccionamientos, eso volverá después a la Cámara, se discutirá de nuevo.",3443.1,3447.24,{"idx":5174,"utterance_id":5175,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5176,"start_s":5177,"end_s":5178,"word_count":304,"indexable":74},858,"10371","Y luego, cuando esté listo, todavía llevará algunos años en empezar a entrar, así que aún habrá tiempo para que la gente... 'Oye, pero eso que aprobamos no está bien todavía, hay tiempo para tocarlo y tal.'",3447.78,3457.04,{"idx":5180,"utterance_id":5181,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5182,"start_s":5183,"end_s":5184,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},859,"10372","Entonces, creo que hay mucha agua que va a pasar bajo el puente.",3457.56,3459.3,{"idx":5186,"utterance_id":5187,"speaker_name":69,"text":5188,"start_s":5189,"end_s":5190,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},860,"10373","Dijiste que el Estado de São Paulo fue atendido en algunas cosas allí.",3459.36,3463.48,{"idx":5192,"utterance_id":5193,"speaker_name":69,"text":5194,"start_s":5195,"end_s":5196,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},861,"10374","¿De qué exactamente estás hablando?",3463.8,3465.62,{"idx":5198,"utterance_id":5199,"speaker_name":69,"text":5200,"start_s":5201,"end_s":5202,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},862,"10375","¿Cómo se hizo esa articulación?",3467.58,3469.02,{"idx":5204,"utterance_id":5205,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5206,"start_s":5207,"end_s":5208,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},863,"10376","En verdad, mira, es un cambio muy severo.",3469.22,3474.66,{"idx":5210,"utterance_id":5211,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5212,"start_s":5213,"end_s":5214,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},864,"10377","Da una cierta... ¿Qué vimos?",3474.76,3477.34,{"idx":5216,"utterance_id":5217,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5218,"start_s":5219,"end_s":5220,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},865,"10378","¿Cómo va a funcionar ese mecanismo de recaudación, por ejemplo?",3477.8,3481.38,{"idx":5222,"utterance_id":5223,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5224,"start_s":5225,"end_s":5226,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},866,"10379","Porque a partir del momento... se pensó en un consejo federativo con una cuenta centralizadora de todas las operaciones.",3481.42,3487.24,{"idx":5228,"utterance_id":5229,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5230,"start_s":5231,"end_s":5232,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},867,"10380","Cuando eso se pensó, se estaba pensando en un IVA centralizado, un solo IVA.",3487.76,3492.38,{"idx":5234,"utterance_id":5235,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5236,"start_s":5237,"end_s":5238,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},868,"10381","Es decir, la sustitución de tributos federales, estatales y municipales en un único impuesto.",3492.54,3497.64,{"idx":5240,"utterance_id":5241,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5242,"start_s":5243,"end_s":5244,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},869,"10382","Esa visión cayó, evolucionó hacia el IVA dual.",3498.42,3502.42,{"idx":5246,"utterance_id":5247,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5248,"start_s":5249,"end_s":5250,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},870,"10383","Entonces tienes un CBS que va a congregar... los tributos federales, PIS, COFIS y PI, y tienes el IBS que va a juntar la base del ICMS y del ISS.",3502.5,3514.52,{"idx":5252,"utterance_id":5253,"speaker_name":175,"text":5254,"start_s":5255,"end_s":5256,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},871,"10384","Y entonces son dos impuestos.",3514.78,3516.32,{"idx":5258,"utterance_id":5259,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5260,"start_s":5261,"end_s":5262,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},872,"10385","Son dos impuestos.",3516.6,3517.48,{"idx":5264,"utterance_id":5265,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":1314,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},873,"10386",3519.54,3520.3,{"idx":5269,"utterance_id":5270,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5271,"start_s":5272,"end_s":5273,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},874,"10387","Bueno, cuando tienes dos impuestos, ¿esto aquí a dónde va?",3521.12,3524.4,{"idx":5275,"utterance_id":5276,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5277,"start_s":5278,"end_s":5279,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},875,"10388","Esto va a la misma cuenta y eso causaba cierto desconcierto, que será una cuenta gestionada por un consejo federativo.",3524.7,3530.1,{"idx":5281,"utterance_id":5282,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5283,"start_s":5284,"end_s":5285,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},876,"10389","Es importante que esas decisiones... Primero, ese consejo federativo tiene que tener una reglamentación muy, muy delimitada.",3530.82,3537.8,{"idx":5287,"utterance_id":5288,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2788,"start_s":5289,"end_s":5290,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},877,"10390",3537.92,3538.12,{"idx":5292,"utterance_id":5293,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5294,"start_s":5295,"end_s":5296,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},878,"10391","Tiene que ser el gestor de esa cuenta.",3538.58,3540.8,{"idx":5298,"utterance_id":5299,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5300,"start_s":5301,"end_s":5302,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},879,"10392","Punto.",3540.96,3541.24,{"idx":5304,"utterance_id":5305,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5306,"start_s":5307,"end_s":5308,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},880,"10393","¿Tiene poder normativo?",3541.78,3543.1,{"idx":5310,"utterance_id":5311,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4661,"start_s":5312,"end_s":5313,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},881,"10394",3543.56,3543.7,{"idx":5315,"utterance_id":5316,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5317,"start_s":5318,"end_s":5319,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},882,"10395","¿Para qué?",3544.14,3544.38,{"idx":5321,"utterance_id":5322,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5323,"start_s":5324,"end_s":5325,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},883,"10396","El poder normativo para realizar las transacciones de esa cuenta.",3545.18,3548.34,{"idx":5327,"utterance_id":5328,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5329,"start_s":5330,"end_s":5331,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},884,"10397","Para que entendamos lo siguiente... cómo va a funcionar ese sistema de débitos y créditos, los plazos, cómo se va a manejar el remanente tributario.",3548.38,3555.94,{"idx":5333,"utterance_id":5334,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5335,"start_s":5336,"end_s":5337,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},885,"10398","Entonces es de este asunto de lo que el Consejo Federativo tiene que ocuparse y no de otras cosas.",3556.26,3560.94,{"idx":5339,"utterance_id":5340,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5341,"start_s":5342,"end_s":5343,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},886,"10399","El Consejo Federativo no puede sustituir al Congreso Nacional y el Consejo Federativo no puede sustituir a los entes de la federación, no puede suplantar a los estados, no puede suplantar a los municipios.",3561.34,3571.56,{"idx":5345,"utterance_id":5346,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5347,"start_s":5348,"end_s":5349,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},887,"10400","Entonces tiene que ser un regulador de ese mecanismo de split payment, de esa cuenta única que va a recibir todo y va a pagar a todo el mundo.",3572.1,3583.14,{"idx":5351,"utterance_id":5352,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5353,"start_s":5354,"end_s":5355,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},888,"10401","Es decir, va a distribuir las cuatro partes de los estados y también de los municipios y los créditos de las empresas, los créditos tributarios.",3583.18,3589.86,{"idx":5357,"utterance_id":5358,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5359,"start_s":5360,"end_s":5361,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},889,"10402","¿Cuál es el interés de la empresa?",3590.4,3591.54,{"idx":5363,"utterance_id":5364,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5365,"start_s":5366,"end_s":5367,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},890,"10403","¿Por qué las empresas quieren una cuenta centralizada?",3591.58,3594.74,{"idx":5369,"utterance_id":5370,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5371,"start_s":5372,"end_s":5373,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},891,"10404","Porque tienen la esperanza de que con esa cuenta centralizada los créditos se efectúen con más rapidez.",3595.1,3600.58,{"idx":5375,"utterance_id":5376,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5377,"start_s":5378,"end_s":5379,"word_count":404,"indexable":74},892,"10405","La cosa no es tan idílica en los países, a veces eso tarda varios meses, tienes que tener un período de cierre de cuenta para hacer esos arreglos de débito y crédito, pero de todas formas va a funcionar mejor que hoy, donde a veces los créditos tributarios quedan retenidos durante mucho tiempo.",3601.74,3619.9,{"idx":5381,"utterance_id":5382,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5383,"start_s":5384,"end_s":5385,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},893,"10406","Hay un absurdo aquí, y vamos a cambiar esto aquí en São Paulo ahora.",3619.94,3623.06,{"idx":5387,"utterance_id":5388,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5389,"start_s":5390,"end_s":5391,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},894,"10407","Porque estamos proponiendo una modernización de esa relación fisco-contribuyente, en la que el tipo tiene una deuda tributaria, tiene un crédito tributario, y no puede usar su crédito tributario para cancelar la deuda tributaria.",3624.12,3633.34,{"idx":5393,"utterance_id":5394,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5395,"start_s":5396,"end_s":5397,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},895,"10408","Es una locura, no tiene el menor sentido.",3633.38,3634.86,{"idx":5399,"utterance_id":5400,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5401,"start_s":5402,"end_s":5403,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},896,"10409","Entonces, esa cuenta tiene ese propósito.",3635.64,3638.56,{"idx":5405,"utterance_id":5406,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5407,"start_s":5408,"end_s":5409,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},897,"10410","Pero nosotros, ¿cómo va a ser la gestión de esa cuenta?",3638.64,3640.84,{"idx":5411,"utterance_id":5412,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5413,"start_s":5414,"end_s":5415,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},898,"10411","Primero, debe tener ese alcance muy bien definido.",3641.72,3643.9,{"idx":5417,"utterance_id":5418,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5419,"start_s":5420,"end_s":5421,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},899,"10412","Segundo, tenemos que tener... representatividad, es decir, capas de veto.",3644,3649.3,{"idx":5423,"utterance_id":5424,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5425,"start_s":5426,"end_s":5427,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},900,"10413","La mayoría absoluta de los estados es una capa de veto.",3649.5,3652.24,{"idx":5429,"utterance_id":5430,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5431,"start_s":5432,"end_s":5433,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},901,"10414","El corte poblacional es una capa de veto.",3653.28,3655.7,{"idx":5435,"utterance_id":5436,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5437,"start_s":5438,"end_s":5439,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},902,"10415","La mayoría de los municipios es una capa de veto.",3655.76,3658.24,{"idx":5441,"utterance_id":5442,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5443,"start_s":5444,"end_s":5445,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},903,"10416","Es decir, hay tres capas de veto.",3658.3,3659.72,{"idx":5447,"utterance_id":5448,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2836,"start_s":5449,"end_s":5450,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},904,"10417",3660.1,3660.72,{"idx":5452,"utterance_id":5453,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5454,"start_s":5455,"end_s":5456,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},905,"10418","Estoy forzando una convergencia.",3661.14,3662.42,{"idx":5458,"utterance_id":5459,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5460,"start_s":5461,"end_s":5462,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},906,"10419","Significa que todo el mundo va a estar cómodo.",3662.72,3664.86,{"idx":5464,"utterance_id":5465,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5466,"start_s":5467,"end_s":5468,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},907,"10420","No existe eso de...",3664.94,3665.66,{"idx":5470,"utterance_id":5471,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5472,"start_s":5473,"end_s":5474,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},908,"10421","Ah, voy a decidir algo que va a ser bueno para este grupo y voy a despreciar al resto.",3666.02,3669.72,{"idx":5476,"utterance_id":5477,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5478,"start_s":5479,"end_s":5480,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},909,"10422","por una mayoría numérica simple.",3670.38,3671.86,{"idx":5482,"utterance_id":5483,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5484,"start_s":5485,"end_s":5486,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},910,"10423","No, tengo tres capas para garantizar que, de cierta forma, forzamos un consenso.",3671.9,3676.42,{"idx":5488,"utterance_id":5489,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5490,"start_s":5491,"end_s":5492,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},911,"10424","Entonces, decisiones que son muy sensibles.",3677.52,3679.58,{"idx":5494,"utterance_id":5495,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5496,"start_s":5497,"end_s":5498,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},912,"10425","La administración de esa cuenta es algo súper sensible.",3679.62,3682.44,{"idx":5500,"utterance_id":5501,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5502,"start_s":5503,"end_s":5504,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},913,"10426","El consejo no es algo tan importante, porque es solo para gestionar esa cuenta.",3683.1,3686.54,{"idx":5506,"utterance_id":5507,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5508,"start_s":5509,"end_s":5510,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},914,"10427","No va a tomar decisiones que le correspondan al Congreso Nacional ni a los Estados, no va a vulnerar la autonomía de los entes.",3687.92,3694.08,{"idx":5512,"utterance_id":5513,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5514,"start_s":5515,"end_s":5516,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},915,"10428","Pero incluso para gestionar esta cuenta... Tiene que haber ese consenso, ese acuerdo.",3694.86,3700.38,{"idx":5518,"utterance_id":5519,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5520,"start_s":5521,"end_s":5522,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},916,"10429","Y las capas de veto que quedaron allí garantizan eso.",3701.14,3704.16,{"idx":5524,"utterance_id":5525,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5526,"start_s":5527,"end_s":5528,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},917,"10430","Entonces da tranquilidad a todo el mundo.",3704.24,3705.7,{"idx":5530,"utterance_id":5531,"speaker_name":175,"text":5532,"start_s":5533,"end_s":5534,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},918,"10431","¿Quién participa en ese consejo?",3705.74,3707.48,{"idx":5536,"utterance_id":5537,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5538,"start_s":5539,"end_s":5540,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},919,"10432","Son los estados.",3707.92,3708.58,{"idx":5542,"utterance_id":5543,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5544,"start_s":5545,"end_s":5546,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},920,"10433","Es una representación de los estados.",3708.74,3710.34,{"idx":5548,"utterance_id":5549,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5550,"start_s":5551,"end_s":5552,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},921,"10434","Entonces cada estado va a tener un representante y también se cuenta con una representación de los municipios.",3711.16,3716.7,{"idx":5554,"utterance_id":5555,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5556,"start_s":5557,"end_s":5558,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},922,"10435","Vas a tener allí 27 representantes de los municipios.",3717.48,3721.02,{"idx":5560,"utterance_id":5561,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5562,"start_s":5563,"end_s":5564,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},923,"10436","Entonces tienes una representación de los estados.",3722.62,3724.98,{"idx":5566,"utterance_id":5567,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5568,"start_s":5569,"end_s":5570,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},924,"10437","y una representación de los municipios.",3725.88,3727.9,{"idx":5572,"utterance_id":5573,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5574,"start_s":5575,"end_s":5576,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},925,"10438","Ahora, el escrutinio de votos... Tienes esos tres recortes.",3728.02,3732.08,{"idx":5578,"utterance_id":5579,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5580,"start_s":5581,"end_s":5582,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},926,"10439","Eso es para tomar decisiones sobre el funcionamiento de la cuenta.",3732.28,3734.8,{"idx":5584,"utterance_id":5585,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5586,"start_s":5587,"end_s":5588,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},927,"10440","Esa es una de las cuestiones que se discutió allí.",3735.2,3736.92,{"idx":5590,"utterance_id":5591,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5592,"start_s":5593,"end_s":5594,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},928,"10441","Pero hay varias.",3738.38,3739.66,{"idx":5596,"utterance_id":5597,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5598,"start_s":5599,"end_s":5600,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},929,"10442","La cuestión de que el transporte intermetropolitano haya entrado en la alícuota reducida.",3740.08,3745.02,{"idx":5602,"utterance_id":5603,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5604,"start_s":5605,"end_s":5606,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},930,"10443","Esto es importante para nuestras 30 ciudades aquí en Campinas, São Paulo.",3745.06,3748,{"idx":5608,"utterance_id":5609,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5610,"start_s":5611,"end_s":5612,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},931,"10444","Está la cuestión de la educación, la cuestión del transporte, la cuestión de la salud que fue incluida en la alícuota reducida, está la canasta básica que quedó con la alícuota en cero.",3748.9,3756.28,{"idx":5614,"utterance_id":5615,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5616,"start_s":5617,"end_s":5618,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},932,"10445","Entonces, varias cuestiones del agronegocio fueron atendidas.",3757.74,3759.92,{"idx":5620,"utterance_id":5621,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5622,"start_s":5623,"end_s":5624,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},933,"10446","Entonces, esas modificaciones se fueron realizando.",3759.98,3763.7,{"idx":5626,"utterance_id":5627,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5628,"start_s":5629,"end_s":5630,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},934,"10447","El Senado ahora tendrá la oportunidad de hacer más simulaciones, de trabajar más con Nunes para afinar, por ejemplo, las alícuotas, que es una preocupación: \"bueno, pero cuánto va a ser esa alícuota ahora?\"",3763.76,3774.98,{"idx":5632,"utterance_id":5633,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5634,"start_s":5635,"end_s":5636,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},935,"10448","Porque se crearon excepciones, se crearon algunas excepciones, pero ¿cuánto va a ser esa alícuota máxima?",3775.32,3779.76,{"idx":5638,"utterance_id":5639,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5640,"start_s":5641,"end_s":5642,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},936,"10449","¿Vamos a definir eso en la PEC o no?",3779.84,3781.4,{"idx":5644,"utterance_id":5645,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5646,"start_s":5647,"end_s":5648,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},937,"10450","Entonces, esa es la discusión del momento.",3781.52,3782.7,{"idx":5650,"utterance_id":5651,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5652,"start_s":5653,"end_s":5654,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},938,"10451","Ahora, entiendo.",3782.74,3783.26,{"idx":5656,"utterance_id":5657,"speaker_name":69,"text":5658,"start_s":5659,"end_s":5660,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},939,"10452","Hablaste ahí brevemente sobre educación.",3783.56,3785.88,{"idx":5662,"utterance_id":5663,"speaker_name":69,"text":5664,"start_s":5665,"end_s":5666,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},940,"10453","Y, mira, una cosa que llamó mi atención, no sé, hace como un mes, algo así, fue el asunto de las escuelas cívico-militares.",3786.88,3793.3,{"idx":5668,"utterance_id":5669,"speaker_name":69,"text":5670,"start_s":5671,"end_s":5672,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},941,"10454","Que tú dijiste que ibas a mantener eso aquí en São Paulo.",3794.48,3796.6,{"idx":5674,"utterance_id":5675,"speaker_name":69,"text":5676,"start_s":5677,"end_s":5678,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},942,"10455","La primera vez que lo vi, la información llegó medio truncada en Twitter, ¿no?",3797.54,3804.06,{"idx":5680,"utterance_id":5681,"speaker_name":69,"text":5682,"start_s":5683,"end_s":5684,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},943,"10456","Y entonces la primera sensación que tuve fue... ¡Caramba!, los tipos van a terminar con las escuelas militares.",3804.1,3810.36,{"idx":5686,"utterance_id":5687,"speaker_name":69,"text":5688,"start_s":5689,"end_s":5690,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},944,"10457","Entonces me quedé, amigo, ¿será que es eso?",3810.72,3812.02,{"idx":5692,"utterance_id":5693,"speaker_name":69,"text":5694,"start_s":5695,"end_s":5696,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},945,"10458","No, no debe ser eso.",3812.06,3812.72,{"idx":5698,"utterance_id":5699,"speaker_name":69,"text":5700,"start_s":5701,"end_s":5702,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},946,"10459","Entonces fui a informarme y vi que era otra cosa, que era un modelo que se estaba utilizando muy poco en Brasil.",3812.76,3822.5,{"idx":5704,"utterance_id":5705,"speaker_name":69,"text":5706,"start_s":5707,"end_s":5708,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},947,"10460","Creo que, no sé, ¿qué era?",3822.88,3823.74,{"idx":5710,"utterance_id":5711,"speaker_name":69,"text":5712,"start_s":5713,"end_s":5714,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},948,"10461","El 1% de las escuelas, algo así.",3823.76,3825.12,{"idx":5716,"utterance_id":5717,"speaker_name":69,"text":5718,"start_s":5719,"end_s":5720,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},949,"10462","No recuerdas exactamente el número.",3825.16,3826.32,{"idx":5722,"utterance_id":5723,"speaker_name":69,"text":5724,"start_s":5725,"end_s":5726,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},950,"10463","Pero fui a ver que era un modelo que, si todas las escuelas... de Brasil decidieran implementarlo, nosotros tendríamos un costo descomunal, ¿sabes?",3826.84,3837.76,{"idx":5728,"utterance_id":5729,"speaker_name":69,"text":5730,"start_s":5731,"end_s":5732,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},951,"10464","Una cosa así muy loca.",3837.8,3839.46,{"idx":5734,"utterance_id":5735,"speaker_name":69,"text":5736,"start_s":5737,"end_s":5738,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},952,"10465","Pero luego, cuando el presidente decidió que ya no iba a seguir con lo de las escuelas cívico-militares, tú dijiste que ibas a hacerlo aquí en São Paulo, ¿no?",3840.26,3849.96,{"idx":5740,"utterance_id":5741,"speaker_name":69,"text":5742,"start_s":5743,"end_s":5744,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},953,"10466","¿Todavía lo tienes en mente, vas a hacerlo aquí en São Paulo?",3850.62,3852.82,{"idx":5746,"utterance_id":5747,"speaker_name":69,"text":5748,"start_s":5749,"end_s":5750,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},954,"10467","¿Qué es exactamente la escuela cívico-militar y por qué es mejor, amigo?",3852.86,3857.8,{"idx":5752,"utterance_id":5753,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5754,"start_s":5755,"end_s":5756,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},955,"10468","No es que sea mejor, mira... Tienes una escuela normal, que tendrá su planificación pedagógica normal, tendrá todo normal, va a funcionar.",3858,3866.52,{"idx":5758,"utterance_id":5759,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5760,"start_s":5761,"end_s":5762,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},956,"10469","Vas a tener allí dos o tres policías militares de la reserva que ayudarán a garantizar la disciplina, ayudarán a organizar la rutina escolar.",3867.64,3876.48,{"idx":5764,"utterance_id":5765,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5766,"start_s":5767,"end_s":5768,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},957,"10470","Eso da cierta tranquilidad a los padres.",3876.72,3878.98,{"idx":5770,"utterance_id":5771,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5772,"start_s":5773,"end_s":5774,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},958,"10471","Vas al interior... 'Mira, quiero una escuela cívico-militar'.",3879.02,3882.9,{"idx":5776,"utterance_id":5777,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5778,"start_s":5779,"end_s":5780,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},959,"10472","Entonces, para traer un poco de disciplina, un poco de civismo al día a día de la escuela.",3882.98,3888.6,{"idx":5782,"utterance_id":5783,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5784,"start_s":5785,"end_s":5786,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},960,"10473","Entonces, vas a convocar allí a tres, cuatro, cinco militares de la reserva.",3888.94,3896.22,{"idx":5788,"utterance_id":5789,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5790,"start_s":5791,"end_s":5792,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},961,"10474","Eso, dependiendo del tamaño de la escuela, que ayudarán, contribuirán en la organización de la rutina escolar.",3896.56,3903.74,{"idx":5794,"utterance_id":5795,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5796,"start_s":5797,"end_s":5798,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},962,"10475","Allí, habrá el izado de la bandera, se organizará esa rutina del patio, de la entrada a la escuela, etc.",3906.26,3915.72,{"idx":5800,"utterance_id":5801,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5802,"start_s":5803,"end_s":5804,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},963,"10476","Entonces no tiene nada de extraordinario tampoco, nada del otro mundo.",3916.04,3918.4,{"idx":5806,"utterance_id":5807,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5808,"start_s":5809,"end_s":5810,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},964,"10477","Esos militares que son convocados, entran como prestadores de servicio por el tiempo determinado, entonces reciben un monto adicional al salario mientras prestan el servicio por ese tiempo.",3918.92,3928.52,{"idx":5812,"utterance_id":5813,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5814,"start_s":5815,"end_s":5816,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},965,"10478","Eso no genera pasivos previsionales.",3928.58,3930.4,{"idx":5818,"utterance_id":5819,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5820,"start_s":5821,"end_s":5822,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},966,"10479","Entonces es algo súper suave, súper tranquilo, pero que trae paz a los padres, trae tranquilidad, garantiza una rutina interesante para la escuela.",3930.86,3941.48,{"idx":5824,"utterance_id":5825,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5826,"start_s":5827,"end_s":5828,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},967,"10480","Y eso, de cierta forma, contribuye al rendimiento, en el que tenemos que estar siempre... enfocándonos en el rendimiento.",3941.62,3948.26,{"idx":5830,"utterance_id":5831,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5832,"start_s":5833,"end_s":5834,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},968,"10481","Creo que esto es algo que tenemos que mejorar, el rendimiento, el resultado.",3948.36,3952.34,{"idx":5836,"utterance_id":5837,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5838,"start_s":5839,"end_s":5840,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},969,"10482","Entonces es algo en que el niño a veces tiene a esa persona como referencia, porque hizo carrera, por eso sirve como referente.",3952.68,3959.44,{"idx":5842,"utterance_id":5843,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5844,"start_s":5845,"end_s":5846,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},970,"10483","Esto para la escuela pública es muy interesante.",3959.6,3961.4,{"idx":5848,"utterance_id":5849,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5850,"start_s":5851,"end_s":5852,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},971,"10484","Entonces, esa cuestión de la referencia...",3962.2,3964.14,{"idx":5854,"utterance_id":5855,"speaker_name":69,"text":5856,"start_s":5857,"end_s":5858,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},972,"10485","Obviamente no tiene impacto en lo que se enseña en la escuela, dentro del aula.",3965.5,3970.58,{"idx":5860,"utterance_id":5861,"speaker_name":69,"text":5862,"start_s":5863,"end_s":5864,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},973,"10486","Es más en la administración, no sé si es administración, pero en el día a día, en la convivencia escolar.",3970.98,3977.28,{"idx":5866,"utterance_id":5867,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5868,"start_s":5869,"end_s":5870,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},974,"10487","Exactamente.",3977.32,3977.98,{"idx":5872,"utterance_id":5873,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5874,"start_s":5875,"end_s":5876,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},975,"10488","Es para traer armonía, disciplina, para aportar una actividad.",3978.24,3982.12,{"idx":5878,"utterance_id":5879,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5880,"start_s":5881,"end_s":5882,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},976,"10489","Es barato, esto no es caro.",3982.16,3983.14,{"idx":5884,"utterance_id":5885,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5886,"start_s":5887,"end_s":5888,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},977,"10490","Es muy barato.",3983.84,3984.5,{"idx":5890,"utterance_id":5891,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5892,"start_s":5893,"end_s":5894,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},978,"10491","Sí, porque depende de la escala que vayas a adoptar, pero es barato, no es caro.",3986.56,3989.4,{"idx":5896,"utterance_id":5897,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5898,"start_s":5899,"end_s":5900,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},979,"10492","Tener tres, cuatro... ¿Cuántos agentes de organización escolar tienes aquí?",3989.44,3992.8,{"idx":5902,"utterance_id":5903,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5904,"start_s":5905,"end_s":5906,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},980,"10493","Entonces, de cierta forma, ellos van a cumplir esa función, solo que dándole un carácter más cívico, un carácter de mayor disciplina.",3994.64,4004.02,{"idx":5908,"utterance_id":5909,"speaker_name":69,"text":5910,"start_s":5911,"end_s":5912,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},981,"10494","¿Y cómo funciona?",4004.3,4005.1,{"idx":5914,"utterance_id":5915,"speaker_name":69,"text":5916,"start_s":5917,"end_s":5918,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},982,"10495","¿Las escuelas se postulan o usted las determina?",4005.18,4007.9,{"idx":5920,"utterance_id":5921,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5922,"start_s":5923,"end_s":5924,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},983,"10496","Entonces, ¿qué sucede normalmente?",4008.58,4010.74,{"idx":5926,"utterance_id":5927,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5928,"start_s":5929,"end_s":5930,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},984,"10497","Las escuelas se postulan, ¿no?",4011.14,4012.6,{"idx":5932,"utterance_id":5933,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5934,"start_s":5935,"end_s":5936,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},985,"10498","Hay una petición, mira, yo quería que mi escuela fuera militar.",4012.76,4014.9,{"idx":5938,"utterance_id":5939,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5940,"start_s":5941,"end_s":5942,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},986,"10499","Vamos a evaluar la posibilidad e implementaremos esa escuela allí.",4014.94,4018.54,{"idx":5944,"utterance_id":5945,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5946,"start_s":5947,"end_s":5948,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},987,"10500","Son 19 en el estado hoy.",4018.72,4020.12,{"idx":5950,"utterance_id":5951,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5952,"start_s":5953,"end_s":5954,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},988,"10501","Y tenemos capacidad para ampliar eso.",4020.6,4021.94,{"idx":5956,"utterance_id":5957,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5958,"start_s":5959,"end_s":5960,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},989,"10502","Podemos tener 300, 400 escuelas sin ningún problema.",4022.22,4024.4,{"idx":5962,"utterance_id":5963,"speaker_name":175,"text":5964,"start_s":5965,"end_s":5966,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},990,"10503","Eh, sin un...",4025.12,4025.82,{"idx":5968,"utterance_id":5969,"speaker_name":175,"text":5970,"start_s":5971,"end_s":5972,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},991,"10504","Sin que pese en el presupuesto, sin...",4027.18,4028.8,{"idx":5974,"utterance_id":5975,"speaker_name":69,"text":5976,"start_s":5977,"end_s":5978,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},992,"10505","Entiendo.",4029.92,4030.24,{"idx":5980,"utterance_id":5981,"speaker_name":69,"text":5982,"start_s":5983,"end_s":5984,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},993,"10506","Bueno, pero además, en materia de educación, ¿tú estás teniendo un dolorcito de cabeza con FATEC y ETEC, eh, amigo?",4030.3,4036.84,{"idx":5986,"utterance_id":5987,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5988,"start_s":5989,"end_s":5990,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},994,"10507","Es normal, creo que es un patrimonio que el Estado de São Paulo tiene: el Centro Paula Souza, la enseñanza técnica, la formación profesional.",4037.74,4045.72,{"idx":5992,"utterance_id":5993,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":5994,"start_s":5995,"end_s":5996,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},995,"10508","Obvio que queremos valorizar más a los profesionales.",4047.78,4049.96,{"idx":5998,"utterance_id":5999,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6000,"start_s":6001,"end_s":6002,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},996,"10509","Yo, por mi parte, querría que un servidor público estuviera súper bien pagado.",4050.54,4053.32,{"idx":6004,"utterance_id":6005,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6006,"start_s":6007,"end_s":6008,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},997,"10510","El problema es: ¿cuál es el escenario que encontramos?",4053.38,4056.18,{"idx":6010,"utterance_id":6011,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6012,"start_s":6013,"end_s":6014,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},998,"10511","El peor posible, porque hay un número de servidores públicos muy elevado y muy envejecido.",4056.6,4065.26,{"idx":6016,"utterance_id":6017,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6018,"start_s":6019,"end_s":6020,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},999,"10512","y que ganan muy poco.",4066.3,4067.54,{"idx":6022,"utterance_id":6023,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6024,"start_s":6025,"end_s":6026,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1000,"10513","Lo peor del mundo: la plantilla es grande y la gente gana poco; es decir, cualquier aumentito que des tiene un impacto gigantesco.",4067.78,4073.38,{"idx":6028,"utterance_id":6029,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6030,"start_s":6031,"end_s":6032,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1001,"10514","Hay un déficit actuarial gigantesco, una cola previsional gigantesca, un déficit previsional muy importante.",4073.84,4082.22,{"idx":6034,"utterance_id":6035,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6036,"start_s":6037,"end_s":6038,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1002,"10515","Entonces das un aumentito a una categoría; tomas la Fundação Casa, que estuvo en huelga hace un tiempo, tiene 10.000 empleados y algo más de 3.000 menores infractores.",4082.82,4092.7,{"idx":6040,"utterance_id":6041,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6042,"start_s":6043,"end_s":6044,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1003,"10516","Coges el metro, tiene algo más de 7.000 empleados.",4094.08,4096.82,{"idx":6046,"utterance_id":6047,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6048,"start_s":6049,"end_s":6050,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1004,"10517","Coges el Detran, tiene más de 5.000 empleados.",4096.88,4099.92,{"idx":6052,"utterance_id":6053,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6054,"start_s":6055,"end_s":6056,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1005,"10518","Coges la Polícia Penal, tiene 40.000 empleados, 40.000 policías.",4099.96,4105.82,{"idx":6058,"utterance_id":6059,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6060,"start_s":6061,"end_s":6062,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1006,"10519","Entonces, todo lo que vayas a hacer tiene impacto, un impacto importante.",4105.9,4110.04,{"idx":6064,"utterance_id":6065,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6066,"start_s":6067,"end_s":6068,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1007,"10520","Si tomas la nómina de la Fundação Castro, cuesta 1.000 millones al año.",4110.08,4114.7,{"idx":6070,"utterance_id":6071,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6072,"start_s":6073,"end_s":6074,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1008,"10521","Entonces das un aumentito y a veces eso puede aumentar en 1% tu relación con los ingresos corrientes netos.",4115.3,4121.44,{"idx":6076,"utterance_id":6077,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6078,"start_s":6079,"end_s":6080,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1009,"10522","Entonces, por ejemplo, dimos un 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cayó?",4235.92,4237,{"idx":6249,"utterance_id":6250,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6251,"start_s":6252,"end_s":6253,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1038,"10551","¿Qué creció?",4237.98,4238.56,{"idx":6255,"utterance_id":6256,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6257,"start_s":6258,"end_s":6259,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1039,"10552","Sector servicios, 3,6%.",4238.74,4240.38,{"idx":6261,"utterance_id":6262,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6263,"start_s":6264,"end_s":6265,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1040,"10553","Agro, 1%.",4240.78,4241.04,{"idx":6267,"utterance_id":6268,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6269,"start_s":6270,"end_s":6271,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1041,"10554","Entonces, son sectores que están menos gravados o son tributados con otra naturaleza de impuesto que no va al 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no la recolección y el tratamiento de aguas residuales, o tienen agua tratada y recolección de aguas residuales pero no tratamiento de aguas residuales.",4358.14,4367.18,{"idx":6469,"utterance_id":6470,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6471,"start_s":6472,"end_s":6473,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},1075,"10588","Entonces, cuando sumo los usuarios beneficiados, y São Paulo tiene 91% de entrega de agua tratada y 68% de recolección y tratamiento de aguas residuales, atendemos a 10 millones de personas más.",4367.94,4380.36,{"idx":6475,"utterance_id":6476,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6477,"start_s":6478,"end_s":6479,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1076,"10589","Puedo universalizar el saneamiento básico hasta 2029.",4380.42,4382.7,{"idx":6481,"utterance_id":6482,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6483,"start_s":6484,"end_s":6485,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1077,"10590","Es decir, poniendo 10.000 millones más en esa 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agua y tratamiento de aguas residuales con una tarifa más baja.",4402.6,4405.88,{"idx":6511,"utterance_id":6512,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6513,"start_s":6514,"end_s":6515,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1082,"10595","Entonces, es un tremendo negocio.",4405.96,4407.38,{"idx":6517,"utterance_id":6518,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6519,"start_s":6520,"end_s":6521,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1083,"10596","Entonces, vamos a ver muchas obras, mucha generación de empleo, mucha más velocidad.",4407.44,4411.9,{"idx":6523,"utterance_id":6524,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6525,"start_s":6526,"end_s":6527,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1084,"10597","Saber convirtiéndose en un gran actor global.",4413.8,4415.74,{"idx":6529,"utterance_id":6530,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6531,"start_s":6532,"end_s":6533,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},1085,"10598","porque va a empezar a expandir fronteras, salir del estado de São Paulo, incluso salir de Brasil, ganar presencia en saneamiento en América; es decir, tiene un amplio espacio para crecer e ir entregando una tarifa más baja al ciudadano.",4416.56,4433.6,{"idx":6535,"utterance_id":6536,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6537,"start_s":6538,"end_s":6539,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1086,"10599","Entonces, tiene mucho sentido y genera, obviamente, un ingreso importante para el Estado.",4433.68,4437.36,{"idx":6541,"utterance_id":6542,"speaker_name":175,"text":6543,"start_s":6544,"end_s":6545,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1087,"10600","¿Tienes idea de cuánto... por cuánto se haría ese negocio?",4437.66,4441.86,{"idx":6547,"utterance_id":6548,"speaker_name":175,"text":6549,"start_s":6550,"end_s":6551,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1088,"10601","¿Información confidencial?",4442.26,4443.48,{"idx":6553,"utterance_id":6554,"speaker_name":175,"text":6555,"start_s":6556,"end_s":6557,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1089,"10602","Es súper confidencial.",4443.94,4445.1,{"idx":6559,"utterance_id":6560,"speaker_name":175,"text":6561,"start_s":6562,"end_s":6563,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1090,"10603","Está bien, entonces no hace falta que lo digas.",4445.14,4446.14,{"idx":6565,"utterance_id":6566,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6567,"start_s":6568,"end_s":6569,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1091,"10604","Pero eso sí, es solo para mostrar el concepto.",4446.32,4448.88,{"idx":6571,"utterance_id":6572,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6573,"start_s":6574,"end_s":6575,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1092,"10605","¿Por qué es confidencial?",4448.92,4449.86,{"idx":6577,"utterance_id":6578,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6579,"start_s":6580,"end_s":6581,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1093,"10606","Es porque todo depende de cómo se conduzca ese negocio a partir de ahora.",4449.96,4454.6,{"idx":6583,"utterance_id":6584,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6585,"start_s":6586,"end_s":6587,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1094,"10607","Tengo que empezar a hacer pasar más agua por el tubo.",4454.66,4457.04,{"idx":6589,"utterance_id":6590,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2836,"start_s":6591,"end_s":6592,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1095,"10608",4457.2,4458.2,{"idx":6594,"utterance_id":6595,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6596,"start_s":6597,"end_s":6598,"word_count":404,"indexable":74},1096,"10609","tengo que ir generando la buena expectativa, haciendo una buena conducción en ese proceso, porque así voy aumentando el volumen de transacción, el precio va subiendo y obviamente cuando se acerque la operación voy a estar con un determinado precio que los players, los inversores ancla entre esos players estratégicos, se van a referenciar más o menos en ese precio.",4458.82,4477.42,{"idx":6600,"utterance_id":6601,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6602,"start_s":6603,"end_s":6604,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1097,"10610","Entonces es cuestión de precio.",4478.72,4479.72,{"idx":6606,"utterance_id":6607,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6608,"start_s":6609,"end_s":6610,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1098,"10611","Vamos a tener una idea más adelante de cuánto será.",4479.76,4481.88,{"idx":6612,"utterance_id":6613,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6614,"start_s":6615,"end_s":6616,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1099,"10612","Y otra cosa... Lo que generará para el Estado depende de cuánto salgamos de la empresa, porque no vamos a salir completamente.",4482.5,4489.96,{"idx":6618,"utterance_id":6619,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6620,"start_s":6621,"end_s":6622,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1100,"10613","¿Qué decisión tomamos?",4490.02,4491.56,{"idx":6624,"utterance_id":6625,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6626,"start_s":6627,"end_s":6628,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1101,"10614","Vamos a hacer lo que llamamos un follow-on con menor concentración.",4492,4495.94,{"idx":6630,"utterance_id":6631,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6632,"start_s":6633,"end_s":6634,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1102,"10615","Significa que vamos a vender una parte de las acciones, perderemos el control, pero seguiremos teniendo una participación relevante.",4496.44,4501.84,{"idx":6636,"utterance_id":6637,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6638,"start_s":6639,"end_s":6640,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1103,"10616","Esto es para garantizar que esos contratos, esas inversiones y esa universalización vayan a ocurrir.",4502.2,4506.76,{"idx":6642,"utterance_id":6643,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6644,"start_s":6645,"end_s":6646,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1104,"10617","Entonces vamos a seguir teniendo un... Porque si te paras a pensar, Saber ya es medio privada.",4507.16,4510.82,{"idx":6648,"utterance_id":6649,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6650,"start_s":6651,"end_s":6652,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1105,"10618","El 50,3% de las acciones son del Estado, el 49,7% están en manos de la iniciativa privada, se negocian en la Bolsa de São Paulo y en la Bolsa de Nueva York.",4510.84,4519.82,{"idx":6654,"utterance_id":6655,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6656,"start_s":6657,"end_s":6658,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1106,"10619","Entonces voy a ceder parte del control.",4520.44,4522.7,{"idx":6660,"utterance_id":6661,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6662,"start_s":6663,"end_s":6664,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1107,"10620","¿De cuánto?",4522.76,4523.22,{"idx":6666,"utterance_id":6667,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6668,"start_s":6669,"end_s":6670,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1108,"10621","Ahora vamos a definirlo en el modelo.",4523.34,4524.6,{"idx":6672,"utterance_id":6673,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6674,"start_s":6675,"end_s":6676,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1109,"10622","Entendido.",4525.16,4526.26,{"idx":6678,"utterance_id":6679,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6680,"start_s":6681,"end_s":6682,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1110,"10623","Una cosa es segura: vamos a mantener una participación relevante en la empresa.",4527.02,4530.68,{"idx":6684,"utterance_id":6685,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6686,"start_s":6687,"end_s":6688,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1111,"10624","Y vamos a intentar hacer un follow-on de menor concentración, es decir, una venta de acciones menos concentrada, menos pulverizada.",4531.86,4538.44,{"idx":6690,"utterance_id":6691,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2788,"start_s":6692,"end_s":6693,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1112,"10625",4539.04,4539.34,{"idx":6695,"utterance_id":6696,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6697,"start_s":6698,"end_s":6699,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1113,"10626","Para que tengamos la asociación con inversores estratégicos.",4539.86,4543.06,{"idx":6701,"utterance_id":6702,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6703,"start_s":6704,"end_s":6705,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1114,"10627","Están pensando en la empresa a largo plazo y eso garantiza el éxito de la inversión, garantiza la generación de valor.",4543.1,4549.18,{"idx":6707,"utterance_id":6708,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6709,"start_s":6710,"end_s":6711,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1115,"10628","Y es interesante, tú universalizaste, generaste valor.",4549.68,4551.7,{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":6713,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6714,"start_s":6715,"end_s":6716,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},"10629","Esa posición remanente que tú mantuviste en la empresa... se revaloriza.",4552.36,4555.88,{"idx":6718,"utterance_id":6719,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6720,"start_s":6721,"end_s":6722,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1117,"10630","Entonces más adelante piensas si sales o no.",4556.1,4557.84,{"idx":6724,"utterance_id":6725,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6726,"start_s":6727,"end_s":6728,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1118,"10631","Pero va a valer mucho más dinero.",4558.36,4559.32,{"idx":6730,"utterance_id":6731,"speaker_name":69,"text":6732,"start_s":6733,"end_s":6734,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1119,"10632","Puede que realmente valga mucho más dinero.",4559.94,4561.36,{"idx":6736,"utterance_id":6737,"speaker_name":69,"text":6738,"start_s":6739,"end_s":6740,"word_count":286,"indexable":74},1120,"10633","Bueno, y hay una... Aún sobre ese asunto de ingresos, de meter dinero al Estado, recientemente decidiste que no ibas a perdonar las multas de los tipos que tienen que ver con el tema del Covid.",4562.62,4574.74,{"idx":6742,"utterance_id":6743,"speaker_name":69,"text":6744,"start_s":6745,"end_s":6746,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1121,"10634","¿Vas a perdonar realmente?",4576.68,4577.46,{"idx":6748,"utterance_id":6749,"speaker_name":175,"text":6750,"start_s":6751,"end_s":6752,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1122,"10635","No, esto...",4577.94,4578.34,{"idx":6754,"utterance_id":6755,"speaker_name":175,"text":6756,"start_s":6757,"end_s":6758,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1123,"10636","Yo no tengo nada que ver con eso, además.",4580,4581.8,{"idx":6760,"utterance_id":6761,"speaker_name":175,"text":6762,"start_s":6763,"end_s":6764,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1124,"10637","Yo no tengo ninguna multa a mi nombre.",4581.9,4583.32,{"idx":6766,"utterance_id":6767,"speaker_name":175,"text":6768,"start_s":6769,"end_s":6770,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1125,"10638","No, no tuve.",4583.44,4584.02,{"idx":6772,"utterance_id":6773,"speaker_name":175,"text":6774,"start_s":6775,"end_s":6776,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1126,"10639","¿Tienes alguna multa?",4585.22,4586.58,{"idx":6778,"utterance_id":6779,"speaker_name":175,"text":6780,"start_s":6781,"end_s":6782,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1127,"10640","Oye, no me investigues, pero no tuve ninguna.",4588.1,4589.72,{"idx":6784,"utterance_id":6785,"speaker_name":175,"text":6786,"start_s":6787,"end_s":6788,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1128,"10641","¿Un IPVA pendiente ahí, Antônio?",4591.52,4593.52,{"idx":6790,"utterance_id":6791,"speaker_name":175,"text":6792,"start_s":6793,"end_s":6794,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1129,"10642","Ah, tal vez haya, ¿no?",4593.6,4595.58,{"idx":6796,"utterance_id":6797,"speaker_name":175,"text":6798,"start_s":6799,"end_s":6800,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1130,"10643","Tal vez haya.",4595.92,4596.4,{"idx":6802,"utterance_id":6803,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6804,"start_s":6805,"end_s":6806,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1131,"10644","No, pero déjame explicar el contexto, ¿no?",4599.2,4601.68,{"idx":6808,"utterance_id":6809,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6810,"start_s":6811,"end_s":6812,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1132,"10645","Que la gente dice, ah, para beneficiar a...",4601.72,4603.44,{"idx":6814,"utterance_id":6815,"speaker_name":69,"text":6816,"start_s":6817,"end_s":6818,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1133,"10646","Para beneficiar a Bolsonaro.",4603.68,4605,{"idx":6820,"utterance_id":6821,"speaker_name":69,"text":6822,"start_s":6823,"end_s":6824,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1134,"10647","Bolsonaro está debiendo, no sé, unos ochocientos y tantos mil al Estado de São Paulo.",4605.04,4609.02,{"idx":6826,"utterance_id":6827,"speaker_name":69,"text":6828,"start_s":6829,"end_s":6830,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1135,"10648","y tú hiciste eso solo para beneficiar a Bolsonaro.",4609.06,4610.66,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":6832,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6833,"start_s":6834,"end_s":6835,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},"10649","No, no es eso.",4610.74,4612.5,{"idx":6837,"utterance_id":6838,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6839,"start_s":6840,"end_s":6841,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1137,"10650","Es lo siguiente: estoy enviando dos proyectos a la Asamblea Legislativa que tienen que ver con la cuestión tributaria.",4613.5,4619.68,{"idx":6843,"utterance_id":6844,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6845,"start_s":6846,"end_s":6847,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1138,"10651","Un proyecto que llamamos allí Resolve Já, ni sé qué nombre va a tener esta cosa, Resolve Já.",4621.18,4626.4,{"idx":6849,"utterance_id":6850,"speaker_name":175,"text":6851,"start_s":6852,"end_s":6853,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1139,"10652","Ese es su nombre en clave.",4626.88,4627.98,{"idx":6855,"utterance_id":6856,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6857,"start_s":6858,"end_s":6859,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1140,"10653","Es su nombre en clave.",4628.06,4628.96,{"idx":6861,"utterance_id":6862,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6863,"start_s":6864,"end_s":6865,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1141,"10654","El proyecto Resolve Já y el tema de la transacción tributaria.",4629.56,4632.16,{"idx":6867,"utterance_id":6868,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6869,"start_s":6870,"end_s":6871,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1142,"10655","En realidad, los dos proyectos hablan sobre lo mismo, solo que en períodos distintos.",4632.82,4638.14,{"idx":6873,"utterance_id":6874,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6875,"start_s":6876,"end_s":6877,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1143,"10656","Resolve Já... habla de la relación fisco-contribuyente en el período de preinscripción en la deuda activa.",4638.76,4645.14,{"idx":6879,"utterance_id":6880,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6881,"start_s":6882,"end_s":6883,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1144,"10657","La transacción tributaria es la relación fisco-contribuyente en el período de postinscripción en la deuda activa.",4645.78,4651.3,{"idx":6885,"utterance_id":6886,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6887,"start_s":6888,"end_s":6889,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1145,"10658","¿Cuál es la idea?",4651.76,4652.16,{"idx":6891,"utterance_id":6892,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6893,"start_s":6894,"end_s":6895,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1146,"10659","Es facilitar la vida de quien le debe al Estado y quiere pagar.",4652.62,4655.18,{"idx":6897,"utterance_id":6898,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6899,"start_s":6900,"end_s":6901,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1147,"10660","Hoy, para el que... y obviamente estoy pensando mucho en las empresas.",4655.98,4660.82,{"idx":6903,"utterance_id":6904,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6905,"start_s":6906,"end_s":6907,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1148,"10661","Si miras nuestro tribunal tributario aquí, tenemos deuda tributaria en tribunal.",4662.36,4667.82,{"idx":6909,"utterance_id":6910,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6911,"start_s":6912,"end_s":6913,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1149,"10662","preinscripción en la deuda activa, algo alrededor de 118.000 millones.",4668.16,4670.44,{"idx":6915,"utterance_id":6916,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6917,"start_s":6918,"end_s":6919,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1150,"10663","Si piensas en la deuda activa total del Estado, 360.000 millones.",4671.3,4675.66,{"idx":6921,"utterance_id":6922,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6923,"start_s":6924,"end_s":6925,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1151,"10664","¿Eso vuelve al Estado?",4676.52,4677.26,{"idx":6927,"utterance_id":6928,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6929,"start_s":6930,"end_s":6931,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1152,"10665","Claro que no.",4677.3,4677.84,{"idx":6933,"utterance_id":6934,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6935,"start_s":6936,"end_s":6937,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1153,"10666","Vuelve una pequeña parte, porque la mayoría de eso ya es crédito incobrable, empresa que ya quebró, no sé qué y tal.",4677.96,4682.38,{"idx":6939,"utterance_id":6940,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6941,"start_s":6942,"end_s":6943,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1154,"10667","Pero tenemos que recuperar una parte de eso.",4682.42,4685.24,{"idx":6945,"utterance_id":6946,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6947,"start_s":6948,"end_s":6949,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1155,"10668","Ahora, para recuperar, tengo que facilitar la vida... facilitar esa relación.",4685.66,4691.58,{"idx":6951,"utterance_id":6952,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6953,"start_s":6954,"end_s":6955,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1156,"10669","Porque, por ejemplo, es lo que estaba diciendo.",4691.68,4692.8,{"idx":6957,"utterance_id":6958,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6959,"start_s":6960,"end_s":6961,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1157,"10670","A veces la persona tiene una deuda tributaria aquí y, a la vez, un crédito tributario: el Estado le debe a esa persona.",4693.36,4698.12,{"idx":6963,"utterance_id":6964,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6965,"start_s":6966,"end_s":6967,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1158,"10671","Entonces no puede usar ese crédito tributario para compensar su deuda.",4698.76,4701.52,{"idx":6969,"utterance_id":6970,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6971,"start_s":6972,"end_s":6973,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1159,"10672","¡Eh, espera, pero por qué?",4702.1,4702.92,{"idx":6975,"utterance_id":6976,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6977,"start_s":6978,"end_s":6979,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1160,"10673","Entonces tendrá que pagar su deuda, pero yo no le voy a devolver su crédito.",4703.62,4706.1,{"idx":6981,"utterance_id":6982,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6983,"start_s":6984,"end_s":6985,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1161,"10674","No, entonces podrá usar el crédito para pagar la deuda.",4706.18,4708.56,{"idx":6987,"utterance_id":6988,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":6989,"start_s":6990,"end_s":6991,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1162,"10675","No tendrá que aportar una garantía para pagar el débito que 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vas a cobrar, vas a gastar energía para cobrarlas.",4784.6,4790.44,{"idx":7112,"utterance_id":7113,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7114,"start_s":7115,"end_s":7116,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1183,"10696","Vas a gastar dinero y no lo vas a recibir.",4791.26,4793.38,{"idx":7118,"utterance_id":7119,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7120,"start_s":7121,"end_s":7122,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1184,"10697","Entonces, olvídalo.",4793.44,4794.04,{"idx":7124,"utterance_id":7125,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7126,"start_s":7127,"end_s":7128,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1185,"10698","Elimina eso.",4794.08,4794.68,{"idx":7130,"utterance_id":7131,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7132,"start_s":7133,"end_s":7134,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1186,"10699","Perdona eso.",4795.04,4795.7,{"idx":7136,"utterance_id":7137,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7138,"start_s":7139,"end_s":7140,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1187,"10700","Luego, después, también tendremos que pensar en una manera de ayudar a los deudores del IPVA.",4796.46,4800.46,{"idx":7142,"utterance_id":7143,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7144,"start_s":7145,"end_s":7146,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1188,"10701","Entonces, la Sabesp está llevando a cabo una campaña para resolver deudas pendientes con clientes.",4801.1,4809.04,{"idx":7148,"utterance_id":7149,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7150,"start_s":7151,"end_s":7152,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1189,"10702","Entonces, vamos a hacer un repaso aquí para ver.",4809.08,4812.3,{"idx":7154,"utterance_id":7155,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7156,"start_s":7157,"end_s":7158,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1190,"10703","Porque, a veces, la gente viene a verme y es algo común.",4812.62,4815,{"idx":7160,"utterance_id":7161,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7162,"start_s":7163,"end_s":7164,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1191,"10704","La persona dice: 'Tassir, ayúdame'.",4815.04,4816.9,{"idx":7166,"utterance_id":7167,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7168,"start_s":7169,"end_s":7170,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1192,"10705","Tengo una empresa, tengo 600 empleados, tengo esta deuda, quiero saldar esta deuda porque necesito limpiar mi nombre, no quiero cerrar las puertas.",4817.9,4825.78,{"idx":7172,"utterance_id":7173,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7174,"start_s":7175,"end_s":7176,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},1193,"10706","O otra empresa, perdí mi CND, que es el certificado negativo, y soy una empresa que realiza transacciones con empresas extranjeras, así que necesito resolver mi pendencia tributaria.",4826.8,4840.92,{"idx":7178,"utterance_id":7179,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7180,"start_s":7181,"end_s":7182,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1194,"10707","Tenemos que saldar eso.",4841.46,4842.74,{"idx":7184,"utterance_id":7185,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7186,"start_s":7187,"end_s":7188,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},1195,"10708","Incluso para reducir el costo administrativo de ese tema y recaudar, meter dinero en caja, porque necesitamos dinero para hacer políticas públicas.",4843.96,4850.92,{"idx":7190,"utterance_id":7191,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7192,"start_s":7193,"end_s":7194,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},1196,"10709","Entonces estimulas a la gente a resolver su pendencia tributaria y de repente, de esa gestión de deuda activa que tienes, 360 mil millones, van a entrar 12 mil millones, 15 mil millones, 20 mil millones.",4851.4,4861.94,{"idx":7196,"utterance_id":7197,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7198,"start_s":7199,"end_s":7200,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1197,"10710","Vaya, genial, necesito esos 20 mil millones.",4862.12,4863.78,{"idx":7202,"utterance_id":7203,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7204,"start_s":7205,"end_s":7206,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1198,"10711","Entonces hagamos eso.",4864.2,4865,{"idx":7208,"utterance_id":7209,"speaker_name":69,"text":7210,"start_s":7211,"end_s":7212,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1199,"10712","Entiendo, entiendo.",4865.04,4866.22,{"idx":7214,"utterance_id":7215,"speaker_name":69,"text":7216,"start_s":7217,"end_s":7218,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},1200,"10713","Ahora, amigo, hemos hablado bastante sobre... sobre cosas más prácticas y quería hablar contigo un poco sobre conjeturas, las cosas más etéreas.",4866.3,4875.98,{"idx":7220,"utterance_id":7221,"speaker_name":69,"text":412,"start_s":7222,"end_s":7223,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1201,"10714",4876.82,4877.12,{"idx":7225,"utterance_id":7226,"speaker_name":69,"text":7227,"start_s":7228,"end_s":7229,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1202,"10715","Que es lo siguiente, amigo.",4878.66,4879.56,{"idx":7231,"utterance_id":7232,"speaker_name":69,"text":7233,"start_s":7234,"end_s":7235,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1203,"10716","Bueno, tenemos un dato...",4881.02,4882.08,{"idx":7237,"utterance_id":7238,"speaker_name":175,"text":7239,"start_s":7240,"end_s":7241,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1204,"10717","Incluso vamos a hablar de Platón, Aristóteles...",4882.3,4884.46,{"idx":7243,"utterance_id":7244,"speaker_name":69,"text":7245,"start_s":7246,"end_s":7247,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1205,"10718","No, en realidad vamos a hablar de futurología.",4885.62,4887.36,{"idx":7249,"utterance_id":7250,"speaker_name":69,"text":412,"start_s":7251,"end_s":7252,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1206,"10719",4888.42,4888.7,{"idx":7254,"utterance_id":7255,"speaker_name":69,"text":7256,"start_s":7257,"end_s":7258,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1207,"10720","Y no sé hasta qué punto puedes o quieres hablar, siéntete totalmente a gusto, ¿de acuerdo?",4889.44,4894.78,{"idx":7260,"utterance_id":7261,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7262,"start_s":7263,"end_s":7264,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1208,"10721","Aquí me siento muy a gusto.",4895.14,4896.82,{"idx":7266,"utterance_id":7267,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7268,"start_s":7269,"end_s":7270,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1209,"10722","Aquí me siento en casa, ¿no?",4896.9,4897.94,{"idx":7272,"utterance_id":7273,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7274,"start_s":7275,"end_s":7276,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1210,"10723","Esto me viene de maravilla.",4899.16,4900.46,{"idx":7278,"utterance_id":7279,"speaker_name":69,"text":7280,"start_s":7281,"end_s":7282,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1211,"10724","Pero es que sucede lo siguiente: tenemos el dato de que Bolsonaro es inelegible.",4902.58,4907.96,{"idx":7284,"utterance_id":7285,"speaker_name":69,"text":7286,"start_s":7287,"end_s":7288,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1212,"10725","Significa que en la próxima elección presidencial tu grupo político necesitará a otro representante.",4908.7,4919.28,{"idx":7290,"utterance_id":7291,"speaker_name":69,"text":7292,"start_s":7293,"end_s":7294,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1213,"10726","Porque él es inelegible y así lo será por ocho años.",4919.8,4922.82,{"idx":7296,"utterance_id":7297,"speaker_name":175,"text":7298,"start_s":7299,"end_s":7300,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1214,"10727","O 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Bolsonaro?",4937.48,4950.26,{"idx":7325,"utterance_id":7326,"speaker_name":69,"text":7327,"start_s":7328,"end_s":7329,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1219,"10732","Y pensé, amigo, en mi opinión, así, rápidamente, es Tarcísio.",4950.32,4954.8,{"idx":7331,"utterance_id":7332,"speaker_name":69,"text":7333,"start_s":7334,"end_s":7335,"word_count":304,"indexable":74},1220,"10733","Tarcísio, bueno, ya lo he dicho otras veces, que pensé, dije que independientemente de quién ganara el gobierno de São Paulo, creo que estaría bastante bien representado, porque vi mucha competencia en Tarcísio, vi competencia en Haddad también.",4955.38,4971.3,{"idx":7337,"utterance_id":7338,"speaker_name":69,"text":7339,"start_s":7340,"end_s":7341,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1221,"10734","Y, por lo tanto, creo que Tarcísio tal vez fuera una elección obvia, al menos para mí que estoy observando.",4972.14,4979.64,{"idx":7343,"utterance_id":7344,"speaker_name":69,"text":7345,"start_s":7346,"end_s":7347,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1222,"10735","Y ahí surge esa media docena de ruidosos burlándose por lo del 95%, no sé qué.",4980.44,4985.2,{"idx":7349,"utterance_id":7350,"speaker_name":69,"text":7351,"start_s":7352,"end_s":7353,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1223,"10736","Ese tipo de cosas, cuando sucede algo que, vamos, como que tu grupo político ha perdido al líder hasta ese momento.",4985.3,4997.14,{"idx":7355,"utterance_id":7356,"speaker_name":69,"text":7357,"start_s":7358,"end_s":7359,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1224,"10737","¿Quién es el próximo?",4999.2,5000.46,{"idx":7361,"utterance_id":7362,"speaker_name":69,"text":7363,"start_s":7364,"end_s":7365,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1225,"10738","¿Has pensado en eso?",5000.5,5001.56,{"idx":7367,"utterance_id":7368,"speaker_name":69,"text":7369,"start_s":7370,"end_s":7371,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1226,"10739","Amigo, quizá yo sea el próximo.",5001.8,5003.44,{"idx":7373,"utterance_id":7374,"speaker_name":69,"text":7375,"start_s":7376,"end_s":7377,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1227,"10740","¿Eso te mueve?",5003.48,5004.52,{"idx":7379,"utterance_id":7380,"speaker_name":69,"text":7381,"start_s":7382,"end_s":7383,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1228,"10741","¿Te da un cosquilleo?",5004.94,5005.78,{"idx":7385,"utterance_id":7386,"speaker_name":69,"text":7387,"start_s":7388,"end_s":7389,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1229,"10742","Quiero ser presidente.",5005.84,5006.92,{"idx":7391,"utterance_id":7392,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7393,"start_s":7394,"end_s":7395,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1230,"10743","Zé, eso nunca lo 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gente.",5037.3,5046.06,{"idx":7469,"utterance_id":7470,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7471,"start_s":7472,"end_s":7473,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1243,"10756","Me sentí en la campaña otra vez, que era ese montón de gente, para ver a Bolsonaro.",5046.92,5050.26,{"idx":7475,"utterance_id":7476,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7477,"start_s":7478,"end_s":7479,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1244,"10757","Así, la gente tiene un amor por él gigantesco.",5050.3,5052.38,{"idx":7481,"utterance_id":7482,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7483,"start_s":7484,"end_s":7485,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1245,"10758","Ahora en Goiânia, el otro día estuvo allí, reunió muchísima gente.",5053.56,5058.26,{"idx":7487,"utterance_id":7488,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7489,"start_s":7490,"end_s":7491,"word_count":482,"indexable":74},1246,"10759","Sí, él debería ir con nosotros, está previsto, no sé, no está confirmado aún, pero en el aniversario de Presidente Prudente, el 14 de septiembre, estoy seguro de que si va, será un éxito, habrá mucha gente, porque a la gente le gusta, vieron en él autenticidad, encontraron en él una derecha que, a veces, la sociedad brasileña en gran medida es conservadora, es liberal en la economía, conservadora en las costumbres.",5060.82,5085.36,{"idx":7493,"utterance_id":7494,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7495,"start_s":7496,"end_s":7497,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1247,"10760","Pero la gente se sentía algo avergonzada.",5085.9,5088.46,{"idx":7499,"utterance_id":7500,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7501,"start_s":7502,"end_s":7503,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1248,"10761","Ahora no, él dio voz a ese grupo y formó líderes.",5088.72,5091.7,{"idx":7505,"utterance_id":7506,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7507,"start_s":7508,"end_s":7509,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1249,"10762","Entonces quien lidera ese grupo de derecha, quien continúa siendo la referencia es Bolsonaro.",5092.56,5096.04,{"idx":7511,"utterance_id":7512,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7513,"start_s":7514,"end_s":7515,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1250,"10763","Elegible o inelegible, porque no sabemos lo que va a pasar en el futuro.",5096.82,5099.66,{"idx":7517,"utterance_id":7518,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7519,"start_s":7520,"end_s":7521,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1251,"10764","Creo que quien será el candidato de la derecha, por quien la gente tiene esa gran curiosidad —quién va a sustituir a Bolsonaro— es el candidato que él designe.",5100.36,5108.22,{"idx":7523,"utterance_id":7524,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7525,"start_s":7526,"end_s":7527,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1252,"10765","O será él o el candidato que él designe.",5108.56,5110.04,{"idx":7529,"utterance_id":7530,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7531,"start_s":7532,"end_s":7533,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1253,"10766","Y con él voy a ir.",5110.86,5113.1,{"idx":7535,"utterance_id":7536,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7537,"start_s":7538,"end_s":7539,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1254,"10767","El camino que él indique es el que vamos a seguir.",5113.14,5114.64,{"idx":7541,"utterance_id":7542,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7543,"start_s":7544,"end_s":7545,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1255,"10768","Realmente no pienso en eso, de verdad no pienso, por varias razones.",5114.68,5120.48,{"idx":7547,"utterance_id":7548,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7549,"start_s":7550,"end_s":7551,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},1256,"10769","Primero, soy un tipo que en términos de servicio público, de poder público, estoy altamente realizado, porque estoy en un lugar que nunca pensé que iba a estar.",5121.14,5131.26,{"idx":7553,"utterance_id":7554,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7555,"start_s":7556,"end_s":7557,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1257,"10770","Piensa bien, mi padre cargó cajas de zapatos en el comercio.",5132.48,5135.22,{"idx":7559,"utterance_id":7560,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7561,"start_s":7562,"end_s":7563,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1258,"10771","Mi madre fue empleada doméstica.",5136.2,5137.56,{"idx":7565,"utterance_id":7566,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7567,"start_s":7568,"end_s":7569,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},1259,"10772","Oye, de repente, hoy soy gobernador del estado de São Paulo, nunca soñé esto en mi vida, nunca me postulé a la elección de gremio estudiantil, ni a síndico de edificio.",5138.64,5146.38,{"idx":7571,"utterance_id":7572,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7573,"start_s":7574,"end_s":7575,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1260,"10773","Iba a salir del ministerio e ir a la iniciativa privada.",5148.84,5151.06,{"idx":7577,"utterance_id":7578,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7579,"start_s":7580,"end_s":7581,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1261,"10774","Y Bolsonaro dijo, amigo, quiero que te postules.",5151.42,5153.12,{"idx":7583,"utterance_id":7584,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7585,"start_s":7586,"end_s":7587,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1262,"10775","Al gobierno del estado de São Paulo.",5153.56,5154.22,{"idx":7589,"utterance_id":7590,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7591,"start_s":7592,"end_s":7593,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1263,"10776","Le dije, ¿estás loco?",5154.26,5154.98,{"idx":7595,"utterance_id":7596,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7597,"start_s":7598,"end_s":7599,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1264,"10777","¿El gobierno del estado de São Paulo?",5155.08,5155.98,{"idx":7601,"utterance_id":7602,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7603,"start_s":7604,"end_s":7605,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1265,"10778","No, capítulo, tienes que postularte.",5156.5,5157.5,{"idx":7607,"utterance_id":7608,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7609,"start_s":7610,"end_s":7611,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1266,"10779","Dije, presidente, ¿pero qué posibilidades tengo?",5157.94,5159.36,{"idx":7613,"utterance_id":7614,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7615,"start_s":7616,"end_s":7617,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1267,"10780","No, no, vas a ganar.",5159.44,5160.24,{"idx":7619,"utterance_id":7620,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7621,"start_s":7622,"end_s":7623,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1268,"10781","Entonces está realmente loco.",5160.28,5161.8,{"idx":7625,"utterance_id":7626,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7627,"start_s":7628,"end_s":7629,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1269,"10782","¿Cómo así?",5163.36,5163.76,{"idx":7631,"utterance_id":7632,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7633,"start_s":7634,"end_s":7635,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1270,"10783","No, tienes que ir allí.",5164.66,5165.6,{"idx":7637,"utterance_id":7638,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":2788,"start_s":7639,"end_s":7640,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1271,"10784",5166.02,5166.28,{"idx":7642,"utterance_id":7643,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7644,"start_s":7645,"end_s":7646,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1272,"10785","No, presidente, no se puede.",5166.78,5167.38,{"idx":7648,"utterance_id":7649,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7650,"start_s":7651,"end_s":7652,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1273,"10786","No, vas a ayudarme.",5167.58,5169.38,{"idx":7654,"utterance_id":7655,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7656,"start_s":7657,"end_s":7658,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1274,"10787","Y eso me impactó mucho.",5170.64,5171.92,{"idx":7660,"utterance_id":7661,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7662,"start_s":7663,"end_s":7664,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1275,"10788","Él me contó una historia interesantísima de cómo entró en la política.",5172,5176.22,{"idx":7666,"utterance_id":7667,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7668,"start_s":7669,"end_s":7670,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1276,"10789","Un subteniente con quien servía, el subteniente Bento, le dio un empujón.",5177.54,5182.88,{"idx":7672,"utterance_id":7673,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7674,"start_s":7675,"end_s":7676,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1277,"10790","Y él terminó tomando coraje, se postuló a concejal allá en la década de los 80, 88, o fue en 87, no sé.",5183.6,5190.28,{"idx":7678,"utterance_id":7679,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7680,"start_s":7681,"end_s":7682,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1278,"10791","Y entonces él me contó esa historia, dijo: voy a estar contigo, ya está.",5191.18,5197.46,{"idx":7684,"utterance_id":7685,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7686,"start_s":7687,"end_s":7688,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1279,"10792","Y me sentí endeudado, me sentí en la obligación, porque no era nadie, no era nadie, no tenía, no era conocido y tal.",5198.1,5206.54,{"idx":7690,"utterance_id":7691,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7692,"start_s":7693,"end_s":7694,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1280,"10793","Ese tipo, de repente, coge a un tipo que es técnico y lo pone allí en el Ministerio de Infraestructura: vas a ser el ministro.",5206.68,5211.5,{"idx":7696,"utterance_id":7697,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7698,"start_s":7699,"end_s":7700,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1281,"10794","Cargos, ser ministro, ser infraestructura.",5213.34,5214.58,{"idx":7702,"utterance_id":7703,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7704,"start_s":7705,"end_s":7706,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1282,"10795","Pero es que él me dio la oportunidad de hacer lo que me gustaba.",5214.62,5216.76,{"idx":7708,"utterance_id":7709,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7710,"start_s":7711,"end_s":7712,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1283,"10796","Y así, de cierta forma, yo tenía una experiencia en ese asunto.",5217.72,5220.06,{"idx":7714,"utterance_id":7715,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7716,"start_s":7717,"end_s":7718,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1284,"10797","Entonces yo podía entregar, tenía pasión por lo que estaba haciendo.",5220.1,5223.72,{"idx":7720,"utterance_id":7721,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7722,"start_s":7723,"end_s":7724,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1285,"10798","Y al final, él terminó abriendo esa puerta para mí, como la abrió para otras personas.",5224.5,5228.9,{"idx":7726,"utterance_id":7727,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7728,"start_s":7729,"end_s":7730,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1286,"10799","Bolsonaro fue un gran formador de líderes, un gran creador de liderazgos en esta derecha.",5229.12,5232.76,{"idx":7732,"utterance_id":7733,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7734,"start_s":7735,"end_s":7736,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1287,"10800","Bolsonaro eligió a 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forastero,",5257.22,5259.8,{"idx":7761,"utterance_id":7762,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7763,"start_s":7764,"end_s":7765,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1292,"10805","etc.,",5259.86,5260.06,{"idx":7767,"utterance_id":7768,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7769,"start_s":7770,"end_s":7771,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},1293,"10806","y son 13 millones y medio de personas, en verdad fue incluso más, 14 millones y medio, porque perdí un millón de votos de personas que votaron 22 para gobernador.",5261.02,5267.74,{"idx":7773,"utterance_id":7774,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7775,"start_s":7776,"end_s":7777,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1294,"10807","y anularon el voto, inadvertidamente, está bien.",5269.08,5273.38,{"idx":7779,"utterance_id":7780,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7781,"start_s":7782,"end_s":7783,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1295,"10808","Y entonces piensas, caray, duele perder un millón, pero está bien.",5273.42,5275.72,{"idx":7785,"utterance_id":7786,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7787,"start_s":7788,"end_s":7789,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},1296,"10809","Que apostaron por mí, que me dieron un voto de confianza, vinieron y dijeron, no, Tarcísio, pareces ser un tipo buena onda y creo que puedes hacer la diferencia para mí.",5278.3,5284.74,{"idx":7791,"utterance_id":7792,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7793,"start_s":7794,"end_s":7795,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1297,"10810","¿Qué quieren las personas?",5284.78,5286.4,{"idx":7797,"utterance_id":7798,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7799,"start_s":7800,"end_s":7801,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1298,"10811","Que hagamos la diferencia.",5286.46,5287.72,{"idx":7803,"utterance_id":7804,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7805,"start_s":7806,"end_s":7807,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1299,"10812","¿Y cómo está mi cabeza hoy?",5288.48,5290.54,{"idx":7809,"utterance_id":7810,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7811,"start_s":7812,"end_s":7813,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1300,"10813","Pienso lo siguiente: caray, necesito cumplir mi misión, necesito servir, necesito dejar un legado aquí.",5290.6,5295.72,{"idx":7815,"utterance_id":7816,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7817,"start_s":7818,"end_s":7819,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1301,"10814","No puedo pasar desapercibido.",5296.14,5297,{"idx":7821,"utterance_id":7822,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7823,"start_s":7824,"end_s":7825,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1302,"10815","Entonces quiero entregar el IDEB mejor.",5297.04,5299.52,{"idx":7827,"utterance_id":7828,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7829,"start_s":7830,"end_s":7831,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1303,"10816","Caray, me encantaría algún día llegar y decir: São Paulo hoy es el primer lugar en el IDEB; estamos en 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no va a ser fácil.",5320.74,5322.64,{"idx":7857,"utterance_id":7858,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7859,"start_s":7860,"end_s":7861,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1308,"10821","Quiero entregar algunos proyectos impactantes en el área de infraestructura que hagan la diferencia.",5323.52,5327.42,{"idx":7863,"utterance_id":7864,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7865,"start_s":7866,"end_s":7867,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1309,"10822","El tren Intercidades.",5327.46,5328.4,{"idx":7869,"utterance_id":7870,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7871,"start_s":7872,"end_s":7873,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1310,"10823","Si yo licito el tren Intercidades a comienzos del año que viene, estará operando en siete años.",5329.62,5333.5,{"idx":7875,"utterance_id":7876,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7877,"start_s":7878,"end_s":7879,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1311,"10824","Es a largo 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Pucha, quiero sacarnos de las palafitas y poner en vivienda y construir casa rápida, como estamos construyendo allá en São Sebastião.",5390.36,5397.64,{"idx":7982,"utterance_id":7983,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7984,"start_s":7985,"end_s":7986,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1329,"10842","Quiero... Caray, yo decía en la campaña, digo, tenemos que ser audaces en la cuestión de la vivienda.",5397.7,5401.92,{"idx":7988,"utterance_id":7989,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7990,"start_s":7991,"end_s":7992,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1330,"10843","En los últimos años, en los últimos cuatro años, la gente produjo 11 mil unidades de vivienda de interés social.",5402.76,5408.82,{"idx":7994,"utterance_id":7995,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7996,"start_s":7997,"end_s":7998,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1331,"10844","Dije, caray, quiero hacer más de 200 mil.",5409.7,5412,{"idx":8000,"utterance_id":8001,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8002,"start_s":8003,"end_s":8004,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1332,"10845","La gente está loca.",5412.04,5412.78,{"idx":8006,"utterance_id":8007,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8008,"start_s":8009,"end_s":8010,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1333,"10846","Eso es imposible, demasiado 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entregas vivienda, caray, la vida es una alegría tremenda.",5425.44,5428.6,{"idx":8042,"utterance_id":8043,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8044,"start_s":8045,"end_s":8046,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1339,"10852","Entregas una obra, es agradable.",5428.64,5430.46,{"idx":8048,"utterance_id":8049,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8050,"start_s":8051,"end_s":8052,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1340,"10853","Entonces mi foco es São Paulo.",5430.64,5432.88,{"idx":8054,"utterance_id":8055,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8056,"start_s":8057,"end_s":8058,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},1341,"10854","Y no es para pensar, que estás diciendo esto para desviar la atención, para no quedarte en el blanco, para que el tipo dispare contra 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una forma respetuosa.",5463.86,5466.08,{"idx":8106,"utterance_id":8107,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8108,"start_s":8109,"end_s":8110,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1350,"10863","No disiento y voy a Twitter.",5467.72,5469.28,{"idx":8112,"utterance_id":8113,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8114,"start_s":8115,"end_s":8116,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1351,"10864","Le digo a él, caray, presidente, mira, esto y tal.",5471.04,5473.74,{"idx":8118,"utterance_id":8119,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8120,"start_s":8121,"end_s":8122,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1352,"10865","¿Como hacía yo como ministro?",5473.86,5475.28,{"idx":8124,"utterance_id":8125,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8126,"start_s":8127,"end_s":8128,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1353,"10866","Lo llamo, claro, él va a ser presidente 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Diego, presidente, estoy haciendo esto aquí.",5515.46,5518.14,{"idx":8226,"utterance_id":8227,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8228,"start_s":8229,"end_s":8230,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1370,"10883","Ah, caray, esto está bien.",5518.3,5519.04,{"idx":8232,"utterance_id":8233,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8234,"start_s":8235,"end_s":8236,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1371,"10884","Pero piensa en esto.",5519.6,5520.26,{"idx":8238,"utterance_id":8239,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8240,"start_s":8241,"end_s":8242,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1372,"10885","Haz tal cosa.",5520.34,5520.94,{"idx":8244,"utterance_id":8245,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8246,"start_s":8247,"end_s":8248,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1373,"10886","Con esa intención de ayudar, él apuesta por mí, quiere que nos vaya bien aquí.",5523.32,5526.96,{"idx":8250,"utterance_id":8251,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8252,"start_s":8253,"end_s":8254,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},1374,"10887","entonces, así, él sigue siendo un tipo que siempre tiene la mano tendida, siempre está apoyándote, hombre, deja que coja a Bruno, cóguele mi celular ahí.",5529.58,5540.52,{"idx":8256,"utterance_id":8257,"speaker_name":69,"text":8258,"start_s":8259,"end_s":8260,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1375,"10888","bueno, y ahora, amigo, déjame darte otro regalito aquí, para que vayamos a las preguntas.",5541.88,5547.46,{"idx":8262,"utterance_id":8263,"speaker_name":69,"text":8264,"start_s":8265,"end_s":8266,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1376,"10889","Esto es una camiseta, es una prenda de Insider, que es esa marca que estoy usando.",5547.74,5553.78,{"idx":8268,"utterance_id":8269,"speaker_name":69,"text":8270,"start_s":8271,"end_s":8272,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1377,"10890","Es una ropa tecnológica, hombre.",5555.64,5559.24,{"idx":8274,"utterance_id":8275,"speaker_name":69,"text":8276,"start_s":8277,"end_s":8278,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1378,"10891","Yo uso... 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Mi armario parece el armario de Mônica.",5564.2,5567.62,{"idx":8286,"utterance_id":8287,"speaker_name":69,"text":8288,"start_s":8289,"end_s":8290,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1380,"10893","Es solo la misma ropa, ¿sabes?",5568.16,5569.72,{"idx":8292,"utterance_id":8293,"speaker_name":69,"text":8294,"start_s":8295,"end_s":8296,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1381,"10894","La gente vaga dice, caramba, ese chico no se baña, siempre está con esa camiseta de Insider, no sé qué.",5569.78,5573.34,{"idx":8298,"utterance_id":8299,"speaker_name":69,"text":8300,"start_s":8301,"end_s":8302,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1382,"10895","Es que tengo un montón.",5573.38,5574.16,{"idx":8304,"utterance_id":8305,"speaker_name":69,"text":8306,"start_s":8307,"end_s":8308,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1383,"10896","porque de hecho se siente muy bien, muy buena y la calidad...",5574.44,5577.82,{"idx":8310,"utterance_id":8311,"speaker_name":175,"text":8312,"start_s":8313,"end_s":8314,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1384,"10897","Se siente realmente bien aquí.",5577.9,5578.44,{"idx":8316,"utterance_id":8317,"speaker_name":175,"text":8318,"start_s":8319,"end_s":8320,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1385,"10898","Sí, la tela es distinta.",5578.84,5580.4,{"idx":8322,"utterance_id":8323,"speaker_name":175,"text":8324,"start_s":8325,"end_s":8326,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1386,"10899","Está genial.",5580.48,5581.6,{"idx":8328,"utterance_id":8329,"speaker_name":69,"text":8330,"start_s":8331,"end_s":8332,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1387,"10900","Y tienen algunas... Tienen un toque tecnológico.",5581.64,5586.22,{"idx":8334,"utterance_id":8335,"speaker_name":69,"text":8336,"start_s":8337,"end_s":8338,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1388,"10901","Mira, tienen un confort térmico diferenciado, tienen un sistema para impedir que salga el olor.",5586.66,5591.9,{"idx":8340,"utterance_id":8341,"speaker_name":69,"text":8342,"start_s":8343,"end_s":8344,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1389,"10902","Esa es una forma bonita de decir que solo vas a apestar aquí dentro.",5592.06,5594.78,{"idx":8346,"utterance_id":8347,"speaker_name":69,"text":8348,"start_s":8349,"end_s":8350,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1390,"10903","No vas a apestar hacia afuera.",5594.82,5596.56,{"idx":8352,"utterance_id":8353,"speaker_name":69,"text":8354,"start_s":8355,"end_s":8356,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1391,"10904","Vas al gimnasio, por ejemplo, no molestás a nadie.",5596.6,5599.5,{"idx":8358,"utterance_id":8359,"speaker_name":69,"text":8360,"start_s":8361,"end_s":8362,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1392,"10905","Apestas, pero solo aquí dentro.",5599.98,5601.28,{"idx":8364,"utterance_id":8365,"speaker_name":69,"text":8366,"start_s":8367,"end_s":8368,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1393,"10906","Lo de que... Se seca mucho.",5602.12,5603.86,{"idx":8370,"utterance_id":8371,"speaker_name":69,"text":8372,"start_s":8373,"end_s":8374,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1394,"10907","muy rápido entonces y no estoy hablando solo de que en el ensayo solo hay camisa.",5603.98,5608.48,{"idx":8376,"utterance_id":8377,"speaker_name":69,"text":8378,"start_s":8379,"end_s":8380,"word_count":572,"indexable":74},1395,"10908","allí hay ropa para hombre, para mujer, hay bermudas, hay calcetines, hay calzoncillos, hay todo lo que puedas imaginar, también está en el sitio de Insider para ti, hay sudaderas, hay una bermuda que es hidrofóbica, hay varias cosas allí, muy interesante, y bueno, se acerca el Día del Padre, ahora no sé si alcanza el tiempo, pero es el Día del Padre ahí, que es el domingo grande, ¿no?, entonces dependiendo, entrás en InsiderStore.com.br, todavía podés usar el cupón FLOW12, es 12, yo mostré.",5608.54,5636.02,{"idx":8382,"utterance_id":8383,"speaker_name":69,"text":8384,"start_s":8385,"end_s":8386,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1396,"10909","FLOW12 para conseguir 12% de descuento en tu compra.",5636.58,5639.38,{"idx":8388,"utterance_id":8389,"speaker_name":69,"text":8390,"start_s":8391,"end_s":8392,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1397,"10910","Entonces, entras, llenás el carrito de Insider y metés FLOW12 para conseguir 12% de descuento.",5639.42,5645.64,{"idx":8394,"utterance_id":8395,"speaker_name":69,"text":8396,"start_s":8397,"end_s":8398,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1398,"10911","¿Listo?",5645.7,5645.98,{"idx":8400,"utterance_id":8401,"speaker_name":69,"text":823,"start_s":8402,"end_s":8403,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1399,"10912",5647.26,5647.56,{"idx":8405,"utterance_id":8406,"speaker_name":69,"text":8407,"start_s":8408,"end_s":8409,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1400,"10913","El enlace está aquí en el QR Code y también está aquí en la descripción.",5647.64,5650.62,{"idx":8411,"utterance_id":8412,"speaker_name":69,"text":8413,"start_s":8414,"end_s":8415,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1401,"10914","Ahora, dejame ver.",5651.1,5651.58,{"idx":8417,"utterance_id":8418,"speaker_name":69,"text":8419,"start_s":8420,"end_s":8421,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1402,"10915","¿Hay algún audio o algún video ahí, Vitão?",5651.66,5653.34,{"idx":8423,"utterance_id":8424,"speaker_name":69,"text":8425,"start_s":8426,"end_s":8427,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1403,"10916","¿Hay un audio?",5653.64,5654.06,{"idx":8429,"utterance_id":8430,"speaker_name":69,"text":8431,"start_s":8432,"end_s":8433,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1404,"10917","Para el audio, necesitamos poner el auricular, ¿está bien, Císio?",5654.36,5656.38,{"idx":8435,"utterance_id":8436,"speaker_name":69,"text":8437,"start_s":8438,"end_s":8439,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1405,"10918","Mientras tanto, yo abro aquí.",5656.42,5661.16,{"idx":8441,"utterance_id":8442,"speaker_name":69,"text":8443,"start_s":8444,"end_s":8445,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1406,"10919","Dale con eso, Vitão.",5662.74,5663.72,{"idx":8447,"utterance_id":8448,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8449,"start_s":8450,"end_s":8451,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1407,"10920","Buenas noches, Igor.",5664.18,5664.84,{"idx":8453,"utterance_id":8454,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8455,"start_s":8456,"end_s":8457,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1408,"10921","Buenas noches, Thayor Císio.",5664.94,5665.96,{"idx":8459,"utterance_id":8460,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8461,"start_s":8462,"end_s":8463,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1409,"10922","Me gustaría saber, por la vía Mobilidade, ha estado dando muchos problemas.",5667,5671.6,{"idx":8465,"utterance_id":8466,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8467,"start_s":8468,"end_s":8469,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1410,"10923","Soy completamente a favor de la privatización, pero me gustaría saber de vos, porque la empresa está dando muchos problemas.",5671.72,5678.74,{"idx":8471,"utterance_id":8472,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8473,"start_s":8474,"end_s":8475,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1411,"10924","Y pienso que es un problema de competencia en sí.",5678.8,5680.76,{"idx":8477,"utterance_id":8478,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8479,"start_s":8480,"end_s":8481,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1412,"10925","Si tenés algún plan sobre permitir la explotación de la misma vía por dos o más empresas diferentes.",5681.46,5689.48,{"idx":8483,"utterance_id":8484,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8485,"start_s":8486,"end_s":8487,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1413,"10926","Muchas gracias.",5690,5690.6,{"idx":8489,"utterance_id":8490,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8491,"start_s":8492,"end_s":8493,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1414,"10927","Buena, buena.",5695.04,5695.68,{"idx":8495,"utterance_id":8496,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8497,"start_s":8498,"end_s":8499,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1415,"10928","Va a dar la oportunidad de que expliquemos ese asunto de la vía Mobilidade.",5696.54,5699.38,{"idx":8501,"utterance_id":8502,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8503,"start_s":8504,"end_s":8505,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1416,"10929","Bueno, cuando hacés eso, planeamos hacer más concesiones de líneas de la CPTM y del metro.",5699.6,5706.38,{"idx":8507,"utterance_id":8508,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8509,"start_s":8510,"end_s":8511,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1417,"10930","Ahora observa, esas líneas son sencillas, conectan puntos distintos.",5707.26,5710.9,{"idx":8513,"utterance_id":8514,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8515,"start_s":8516,"end_s":8517,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1418,"10931","Entonces, cuando tenés un contrato, no vas a tener competencia de más operadores en ese mismo recorrido.",5710.96,5717.7,{"idx":8519,"utterance_id":8520,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8521,"start_s":8522,"end_s":8523,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1419,"10932","Podés tener incluso otros operadores en otras líneas.",5718.16,5720.54,{"idx":8525,"utterance_id":8526,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8527,"start_s":8528,"end_s":8529,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1420,"10933","No es tan fácil traer operadores así, porque te los podés contar con los dedos cuántos operadores hay.",5721.6,5727.1,{"idx":8531,"utterance_id":8532,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8533,"start_s":8534,"end_s":8535,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1421,"10934","No estoy hablando de Brasil, no.",5727.18,5727.98,{"idx":8537,"utterance_id":8538,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8539,"start_s":8540,"end_s":8541,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1422,"10935","Estoy hablando del mundo.",5728.02,5728.68,{"idx":8543,"utterance_id":8544,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8545,"start_s":8546,"end_s":8547,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},1423,"10936","Entonces, tenías una situación de esas líneas, CPTM y Metro, que son empresas con baja capacidad de inversión, son empresas que tienen un costo de personal muy importante.",5729.38,5741.1,{"idx":8549,"utterance_id":8550,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8551,"start_s":8552,"end_s":8553,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1424,"10937","Estamos hablando de empresas que tienen 80% de costo de personal en relación a la facturación.",5741.14,5744.4,{"idx":8555,"utterance_id":8556,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8557,"start_s":8558,"end_s":8559,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1425,"10938","Metro un poco menos, 72%, y la CPTM un poco más.",5744.84,5748.96,{"idx":8561,"utterance_id":8562,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8563,"start_s":8564,"end_s":8565,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1426,"10939","Entonces tienen baja capacidad para invertir.",5749.82,5751.76,{"idx":8567,"utterance_id":8568,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8569,"start_s":8570,"end_s":8571,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1427,"10940","Entonces eso de traer iniciativa privada hace la diferencia.",5751.8,5755.74,{"idx":8573,"utterance_id":8574,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8575,"start_s":8576,"end_s":8577,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1428,"10941","Ahora, ¿qué pasa en la vía Mobilidade?",5755.8,5757.74,{"idx":8579,"utterance_id":8580,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8581,"start_s":8582,"end_s":8583,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1429,"10942","Vamos, vamos a entender.",5757.8,5758.6,{"idx":8585,"utterance_id":8586,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8587,"start_s":8588,"end_s":8589,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1430,"10943","La concesionaria asumió, hubo un cambio de gestión y empieza a dar problemas.",5759.78,5763.26,{"idx":8591,"utterance_id":8592,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8593,"start_s":8594,"end_s":8595,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1431,"10944","Pero ¿por qué está dando problemas?",5764.8,5765.72,{"idx":8597,"utterance_id":8598,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8599,"start_s":8600,"end_s":8601,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1432,"10945","Porque hay fallas de alimentación, fallas en el cableado aéreo, falla de subestación, falla de durmiente, falla de riel, falla de tren.",5766.3,5773.06,{"idx":8603,"utterance_id":8604,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8605,"start_s":8606,"end_s":8607,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1433,"10946","Claro, todo eso fue heredado de muchos años.",5773.1,5776.44,{"idx":8609,"utterance_id":8610,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8611,"start_s":8612,"end_s":8613,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1434,"10947","El tren, el riel no se rompieron de la noche a la mañana, el durmiente tampoco.",5776.54,5780.88,{"idx":8615,"utterance_id":8616,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8617,"start_s":8618,"end_s":8619,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1435,"10948","Entonces son muchos años de falta de inversión.",5780.94,5783.66,{"idx":8621,"utterance_id":8622,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8623,"start_s":8624,"end_s":8625,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1436,"10949","Y la concesionaria entra y la gente se va adaptando a esa situación de mayor degradación para hacer una operación en la medida de lo posible.",5784.2,5792.78,{"idx":8627,"utterance_id":8628,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8629,"start_s":8630,"end_s":8631,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1437,"10950","La concesionaria asume.",5795.06,5796.18,{"idx":8633,"utterance_id":8634,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8635,"start_s":8636,"end_s":8637,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1438,"10951","Ella asume, tiene que hacer la inversión.",5797.22,5798.74,{"idx":8639,"utterance_id":8640,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8641,"start_s":8642,"end_s":8643,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1439,"10952","Y empieza a hacer esas inversiones y empiezan a aparecer una serie de problemas, una serie de problemas.",5798.78,5802.18,{"idx":8645,"utterance_id":8646,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8647,"start_s":8648,"end_s":8649,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1440,"10953","Llamamos a la concesionaria y decimos: mira, no puede ser así, necesito un diagnóstico.",5802.26,5806.56,{"idx":8651,"utterance_id":8652,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8653,"start_s":8654,"end_s":8655,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1441,"10954","Tuvimos una exigencia del Ministerio Público: tenés que cancelar el contrato.",5807.2,5810.18,{"idx":8657,"utterance_id":8658,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8659,"start_s":8660,"end_s":8661,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1442,"10955","Bien, cancelo el contrato y ¿a dónde va eso?",5810.22,5811.94,{"idx":8663,"utterance_id":8664,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8665,"start_s":8666,"end_s":8667,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1443,"10956","Vuelve a la CPTM, que es la empresa que no tiene la capacidad para hacer la inversión.",5812.54,5815.96,{"idx":8669,"utterance_id":8670,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8671,"start_s":8672,"end_s":8673,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1444,"10957","Eso no va a resolver el problema.",5816.84,5818.2,{"idx":8675,"utterance_id":8676,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8677,"start_s":8678,"end_s":8679,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1445,"10958","Entonces, necesito entender lo siguiente.",5818.28,5819.6,{"idx":8681,"utterance_id":8682,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8683,"start_s":8684,"end_s":8685,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1446,"10959","Mirá, no podés quedar atado al contrato, porque aquí estoy demandando más inversión de la que habías presupuestado.",5820.48,5827.42,{"idx":8687,"utterance_id":8688,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8689,"start_s":8690,"end_s":8691,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1447,"10960","precios, más inversión de la prevista.",5827.46,5830.18,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":8693,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8694,"start_s":8695,"end_s":8696,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"10961","Y ese riesgo es tuyo, porque vos asumiste ese riesgo.",5830.72,5832.68,{"idx":8698,"utterance_id":8699,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8700,"start_s":8701,"end_s":8702,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1449,"10962","Bueno, tengo un contrato que tenía una previsión de 3,9 mil millones de inversión y ya vieron que van a tener que hacer 4,65 mil millones.",5832.82,5839.78,{"idx":8704,"utterance_id":8705,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8706,"start_s":8707,"end_s":8708,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1450,"10963","Y van a hacer esos 4,65.",5840.42,5841.66,{"idx":8710,"utterance_id":8711,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8712,"start_s":8713,"end_s":8714,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1451,"10964","Esas inversiones están empezando.",5842.02,5844.14,{"idx":8716,"utterance_id":8717,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8718,"start_s":8719,"end_s":8720,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1452,"10965","Por ejemplo, identificamos 60 puntos críticos en vía permanente.",5845.64,5849.1,{"idx":8722,"utterance_id":8723,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8724,"start_s":8725,"end_s":8726,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1453,"10966","Empezaron a resolver esos puntos críticos.",5849.16,5850.74,{"idx":8728,"utterance_id":8729,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8730,"start_s":8731,"end_s":8732,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1454,"10967","¿Qué es eso?",5850.78,5851.34,{"idx":8734,"utterance_id":8735,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8736,"start_s":8737,"end_s":8738,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1455,"10968","Línea, riel, durmiente.",5851.86,5854.08,{"idx":8740,"utterance_id":8741,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8742,"start_s":8743,"end_s":8744,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1456,"10969","Entonces, tengo que cambiarlos.",5855.36,5856.7,{"idx":8746,"utterance_id":8747,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8748,"start_s":8749,"end_s":8750,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1457,"10970","Riel, cambiar durmiente.",5857.38,5858.56,{"idx":8752,"utterance_id":8753,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8754,"start_s":8755,"end_s":8756,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1458,"10971","Se planificó hasta fin de año cambiar 30 kilómetros de riel, 30 mil metros de riel y 15 mil durmientes.",5858.72,5866.9,{"idx":8758,"utterance_id":8759,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8760,"start_s":8761,"end_s":8762,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1459,"10972","Y eso se está haciendo.",5867.4,5868.16,{"idx":8764,"utterance_id":8765,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8766,"start_s":8767,"end_s":8768,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},1460,"10973","De los 60 puntos críticos, que eran muy críticos y demandaban reducción de velocidad de operación, 56 ya fueron tratados y 4 los tratamos hasta finales del mes que viene.",5868.28,5878.32,{"idx":8770,"utterance_id":8771,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8772,"start_s":8773,"end_s":8774,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1461,"10974","¿Cuál es el problema?",5879.08,5880.1,{"idx":8776,"utterance_id":8777,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8778,"start_s":8779,"end_s":8780,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1462,"10975","Horario de trabajo.",5880.72,5881.7,{"idx":8782,"utterance_id":8783,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8784,"start_s":8785,"end_s":8786,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1463,"10976","Entonces, pongamos que el tren funciona desde las 4 de la mañana",5882.14,5885.5,{"idx":8788,"utterance_id":8789,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8790,"start_s":8791,"end_s":8792,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1464,"10977","hasta la medianoche.",5885.94,5886.54,{"idx":8794,"utterance_id":8795,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8796,"start_s":8797,"end_s":8798,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1465,"10978","Se tarda una hora en desenergizar la línea y una hora en reenergizarla.",5886.58,5891.02,{"idx":8800,"utterance_id":8801,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8802,"start_s":8803,"end_s":8804,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1466,"10979","Es decir, tengo un intervalo de la 1 a las 3 de la mañana para trabajar.",5891.06,5893.32,{"idx":8806,"utterance_id":8807,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8808,"start_s":8809,"end_s":8810,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1467,"10980","Ahí es donde vas a cambiar durmientes, vas a cambiar rieles, vas a hacer el cambio de cableado.",5893.9,5897.9,{"idx":8812,"utterance_id":8813,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8814,"start_s":8815,"end_s":8816,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1468,"10981","Sufrieron vandalismo.",5898.68,5899.86,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":8818,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8819,"start_s":8820,"end_s":8821,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},"10982","Mucha gente llegaba, cortaba fibra óptica, que es del sistema de comunicación y despacho de trenes.",5900.72,5907.46,{"idx":8823,"utterance_id":8824,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8825,"start_s":8826,"end_s":8827,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1470,"10983","Eso se está resolviendo.",5908.28,5909.44,{"idx":8829,"utterance_id":8830,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8831,"start_s":8832,"end_s":8833,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1471,"10984","Están cambiando todo el cableado.",5909.96,5911.28,{"idx":8835,"utterance_id":8836,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8837,"start_s":8838,"end_s":8839,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1472,"10985","Están haciendo la reforma de las subestaciones.",5911.34,5913.34,{"idx":8841,"utterance_id":8842,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8843,"start_s":8844,"end_s":8845,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1473,"10986","Hay algunos problemas que terminan interfiriendo en la línea, por ejemplo problemas de drenaje de la ciudad.",5914.04,5918.46,{"idx":8847,"utterance_id":8848,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8849,"start_s":8850,"end_s":8851,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1474,"10987","A principios de año hubo más fallas, llovía mucho y esas lluvias interferían en la línea.",5918.72,5922.92,{"idx":8853,"utterance_id":8854,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8855,"start_s":8856,"end_s":8857,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1475,"10988","Pero eso se está resolviendo.",5924.58,5925.72,{"idx":8859,"utterance_id":8860,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8861,"start_s":8862,"end_s":8863,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},1476,"10989","Van a recibir 36 trenes nuevos, recibieron dos, hasta fin de año serán 11, 8 estarán en operación, porque los trenes requieren un período de comisionamiento, de prueba.",5926.62,5936.14,{"idx":8865,"utterance_id":8866,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8867,"start_s":8868,"end_s":8869,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1477,"10990","Y para el año que viene, 36.",5936.86,5937.82,{"idx":8871,"utterance_id":8872,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8873,"start_s":8874,"end_s":8875,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1478,"10991","O sea, toda la flota de trenes va a ser absolutamente nueva.",5939.08,5941.72,{"idx":8877,"utterance_id":8878,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8879,"start_s":8880,"end_s":8881,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1479,"10992","Son trenes más modernos, más ligeros, con sistema de 'chama', etc., etc., etc.",5941.8,5945.42,{"idx":8883,"utterance_id":8884,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8885,"start_s":8886,"end_s":8887,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1480,"10993","Así que, gradualmente va a mejorar.",5946.34,5949.52,{"idx":8889,"utterance_id":8890,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8891,"start_s":8892,"end_s":8893,"word_count":292,"indexable":74},1481,"10994","Para quien está atento, para quien observa, para quien ve al Bocard allí todas las mañanas, en el Bom Dia Brasil, yo estoy allí, lo primero que veo, espero que no haya una falla.",5950.1,5957.94,{"idx":8895,"utterance_id":8896,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8897,"start_s":8898,"end_s":8899,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1482,"10995","Vamos a ver el mapa de las vías, ya se me eriza la piel.",5958.56,5960.46,{"idx":8901,"utterance_id":8902,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8903,"start_s":8904,"end_s":8905,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1483,"10996","Vamos a ver el mapa de las vías.",5960.84,5962.16,{"idx":8907,"utterance_id":8908,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8909,"start_s":8910,"end_s":8911,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1484,"10997","Vamos a ver si hay algún problema hoy.",5962.6,5965.08,{"idx":8913,"utterance_id":8914,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8915,"start_s":8916,"end_s":8917,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1485,"10998","Entonces, para quien ve el Bocard todas las mañanas, y yo lo veo... Se fijará en que la cantidad de fallas en las líneas 8 y 9 ya está disminuyendo.",5967.48,5977.68,{"idx":8919,"utterance_id":8920,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8921,"start_s":8922,"end_s":8923,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1486,"10999","Está disminuyendo, está disminuyendo, está disminuyendo.",5977.72,5979.52,{"idx":8925,"utterance_id":8926,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8927,"start_s":8928,"end_s":8929,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1487,"11000","Hay días en que ya ni siquiera hay fallas.",5979.58,5980.66,{"idx":8931,"utterance_id":8932,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8933,"start_s":8934,"end_s":8935,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1488,"11001","Luego la falla en la línea 1, luego la falla en la línea 2, luego la falla en la línea 3.",5981.34,5986.1,{"idx":8937,"utterance_id":8938,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8939,"start_s":8940,"end_s":8941,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1489,"11002","A veces ocurre en la línea 5, pero está disminuyendo.",5987.44,5991.22,{"idx":8943,"utterance_id":8944,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8945,"start_s":8946,"end_s":8947,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1490,"11003","A veces en la línea 7, la rubí, está disminuyendo.",5991.66,5994,{"idx":8949,"utterance_id":8950,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8951,"start_s":8952,"end_s":8953,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1491,"11004","Entonces, ¿qué esperamos?",5994.14,5995.7,{"idx":8955,"utterance_id":8956,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8957,"start_s":8958,"end_s":8959,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1492,"11005","Que con esta inversión, los 4,65 mil millones, tengamos... realmente un servicio mucho mejor.",5995.82,6002.8,{"idx":8961,"utterance_id":8962,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8963,"start_s":8964,"end_s":8965,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1493,"11006","Entonces, espera, tengo que penalizar a la empresa por esas fallas que ellos presentaron.",6003.62,6008.4,{"idx":8967,"utterance_id":8968,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8969,"start_s":8970,"end_s":8971,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},1494,"11007","Entonces aplicamos una penalidad a la empresa, esa penalidad fue de 150 millones de reales, ahora hagamos lo siguiente: ¿a dónde van esos 150 millones de reales?",6008.46,6015.78,{"idx":8973,"utterance_id":8974,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8975,"start_s":8976,"end_s":8977,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1495,"11008","El MPF quería que fuera a un fondo de interés difuso.",6016.54,6019.14,{"idx":8979,"utterance_id":8980,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8981,"start_s":8982,"end_s":8983,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1496,"11009","Pues, ese dinero se va a quedar retenido.",6019.2,6020.52,{"idx":8985,"utterance_id":8986,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8987,"start_s":8988,"end_s":8989,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1497,"11010","Tampoco me interesa que vaya al Tesoro.",6021.2,6023.02,{"idx":8991,"utterance_id":8992,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8993,"start_s":8994,"end_s":8995,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1498,"11011","Entonces, ¿qué quiero?",6023.06,6023.8,{"idx":8997,"utterance_id":8998,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":8999,"start_s":9000,"end_s":9001,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1499,"11012","Que usemos esa multa para mejorar la experiencia del usuario.",6023.86,6027.72,{"idx":9003,"utterance_id":9004,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9005,"start_s":9006,"end_s":9007,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1500,"11013","Entonces, ¿qué obras podemos hacer?",6027.76,6029.82,{"idx":9009,"utterance_id":9010,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9011,"start_s":9012,"end_s":9013,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1501,"11014","para mejorar la experiencia del usuario, que no están previstas en el contrato.",6030.96,6034.44,{"idx":9015,"utterance_id":9016,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9017,"start_s":9018,"end_s":9019,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1502,"11015","Entonces vamos a tomar el terminal de Barra Fundo.",6034.48,6035.86,{"idx":9021,"utterance_id":9022,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9023,"start_s":9024,"end_s":9025,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1503,"11016","Ah, ¿puedo hacer una intervención aquí, ampliar la plataforma, poner más tramos de escaleras mecánicas para reducir el tiempo que la gente tarda en salir del tren y de la plataforma?",6035.9,6046.6,{"idx":9027,"utterance_id":9028,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4661,"start_s":9029,"end_s":9030,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1504,"11017",6046.9,6047.04,{"idx":9032,"utterance_id":9033,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9034,"start_s":9035,"end_s":9036,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1505,"11018","Entonces hagámoslo, vamos a mejorar la condición del terminal.",6047.08,6050.12,{"idx":9038,"utterance_id":9039,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9040,"start_s":9041,"end_s":9042,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1506,"11019","Y haremos otras intervenciones.",6050.6,6052.2,{"idx":9044,"utterance_id":9045,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9046,"start_s":9047,"end_s":9048,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1507,"11020","Intervenciones básicamente en terminales para mejorar la experiencia del usuario.",6052.54,6055.94,{"idx":9050,"utterance_id":9051,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9052,"start_s":9053,"end_s":9054,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1508,"11021","Con 150 millones más, entonces alcanzaremos casi 4,8 mil millones de inversión.",6056.08,6059.38,{"idx":2149,"utterance_id":9056,"speaker_name":69,"text":6674,"start_s":9057,"end_s":9058,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"11022",6060.32,6060.74,{"idx":9060,"utterance_id":9061,"speaker_name":69,"text":9062,"start_s":9063,"end_s":9064,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1510,"11023","Felipe Const mandó.",6061.78,6063.98,{"idx":9066,"utterance_id":9067,"speaker_name":69,"text":9068,"start_s":9069,"end_s":9070,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1511,"11024","Tarcísio, quisiera saber si se autorizará un concurso público para auditor fiscal de la Receita Estadual de São Paulo.",6064.4,6073.7,{"idx":9072,"utterance_id":9073,"speaker_name":69,"text":9074,"start_s":9075,"end_s":9076,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1512,"11025","El último concurso se hizo en 2013.",6074.26,6075.92,{"idx":9078,"utterance_id":9079,"speaker_name":69,"text":9080,"start_s":9081,"end_s":9082,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1513,"11026","El mayor fisco del país no puede quedarse tanto tiempo sin concurso.",6076.78,6079.9,{"idx":9084,"utterance_id":9085,"speaker_name":69,"text":9086,"start_s":9087,"end_s":9088,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1514,"11027","Autoriza, Tarcísião.",6080.36,6081.64,{"idx":9090,"utterance_id":9091,"speaker_name":69,"text":9092,"start_s":9093,"end_s":9094,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1515,"11028","Ya sé lo que vas a decir, amigo.",6083.3,6085.3,{"idx":9096,"utterance_id":9097,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9098,"start_s":9099,"end_s":9100,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1516,"11029","Tiene razón.",6085.38,6086.6,{"idx":9102,"utterance_id":9103,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9104,"start_s":9105,"end_s":9106,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1517,"11030","El fisco es súper importante porque nos ayuda.",6087.18,6089.44,{"idx":9108,"utterance_id":9109,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9110,"start_s":9111,"end_s":9112,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1518,"11031","Estamos ahora en un momento de planificación estratégica de la Receita.",6091.02,6096.06,{"idx":9114,"utterance_id":9115,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9116,"start_s":9117,"end_s":9118,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1519,"11032","La Receita está avanzando mucho, la Receita estadual, en el sentido de mejorar esta relación con el contribuyente.",6096.14,6100.8,{"idx":9120,"utterance_id":9121,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9122,"start_s":9123,"end_s":9124,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1520,"11033","Necesitamos modernizar la administración hacendaria, modernizar la cuestión de la planificación.",6100.84,6105.04,{"idx":9126,"utterance_id":9127,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9128,"start_s":9129,"end_s":9130,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1521,"11034","Se hizo una planificación estratégica que abarcará toda la parte de administración tributaria, gobernanza, administración hacendaria, administración financiera.",6105.92,6117.24,{"idx":9132,"utterance_id":9133,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9134,"start_s":9135,"end_s":9136,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1522,"11035","Hicimos por primera vez un PPA, un Plan Plurianual Base Cero, una cosa muy buena, porque ¿qué pasa?",6118.2,6124.58,{"idx":9138,"utterance_id":9139,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9140,"start_s":9141,"end_s":9142,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1523,"11036","Como São Paulo estuvo 28 años con el mismo grupo político, PSTB, PSTB, PSTB, ¿qué pasaba?",6124.66,6129.96,{"idx":9144,"utterance_id":9145,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9146,"start_s":9147,"end_s":9148,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1524,"11037","El tipo entraba aquí, vamos a planear mis programas de gobierno.",6130.02,6134.32,{"idx":9150,"utterance_id":9151,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9152,"start_s":9153,"end_s":9154,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1525,"11038","No voy a acabar con el programa del gobernador anterior, que es mi colega y tal.",6135.14,6139.1,{"idx":9156,"utterance_id":9157,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9158,"start_s":9159,"end_s":9160,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1526,"11039","No, lo voy a mantener.",6139.14,6139.64,{"idx":9162,"utterance_id":9163,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9164,"start_s":9165,"end_s":9166,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1527,"11040","Entonces llegaba el otro.",6140.14,6140.72,{"idx":9168,"utterance_id":9169,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9170,"start_s":9171,"end_s":9172,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1528,"11041","No, yo tampoco voy a acabar ni con lo de mi colega, ni con lo del anterior.",6140.78,6142.88,{"idx":9174,"utterance_id":9175,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9176,"start_s":9177,"end_s":9178,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1529,"11042","Entonces llegó otro.",6143.04,6143.6,{"idx":9180,"utterance_id":9181,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9182,"start_s":9183,"end_s":9184,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},1530,"11043","Entonces te quedabas con un presupuesto que fue... sobreponiendo programas, esos programas terminaban teniendo realmente una superposición, desperdicio de dinero, falta de efectividad, cuatro, cinco secretarías ejecutando lo mismo.",6143.64,6156.28,{"idx":9186,"utterance_id":9187,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9188,"start_s":9189,"end_s":9190,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1531,"11044","Si miras en São Paulo, ¿quién ejecuta la repavimentación en los municipios?",6156.32,6159.28,{"idx":9192,"utterance_id":9193,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9194,"start_s":9195,"end_s":9196,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},1532,"11045","La Secretaría de Turismo hace eso, la Secretaría de Agricultura lo hace, la Secretaría de Infraestrutura, de Meio Ambiente, Infraestrutura e Logística lo hace.",6159.76,6166.94,{"idx":9198,"utterance_id":9199,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9200,"start_s":9201,"end_s":9202,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1533,"11046","La Secretaría de Desarrollo Urbano y Vivienda hace eso.",6167.54,6172.06,{"idx":9204,"utterance_id":9205,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9206,"start_s":9207,"end_s":9208,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1534,"11047","Es decir, espera, esto tiene que ser una sola secretaría.",6172.12,6174.4,{"idx":9210,"utterance_id":9211,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9212,"start_s":9213,"end_s":9214,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1535,"11048","Entonces vamos a ajustar estas cosas, vamos a tener menos... ¿Esta gente qué hace?",6174.8,6177.6,{"idx":9216,"utterance_id":9217,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9218,"start_s":9219,"end_s":9220,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1536,"11049","Recapeo en municipios, repavimentación de asfalto.",6177.64,6179.66,{"idx":9222,"utterance_id":9223,"speaker_name":69,"text":9224,"start_s":9225,"end_s":9226,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1537,"11050","Mira, eso es gente del gobierno del Estado.",6180.04,6182.3,{"idx":9228,"utterance_id":9229,"speaker_name":69,"text":9230,"start_s":9231,"end_s":9232,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1538,"11051","¿Por qué ustedes, hombre, ponen las porquerías de un celular del mundo?",6183.48,6190.98,{"idx":9234,"utterance_id":9235,"speaker_name":69,"text":9236,"start_s":9237,"end_s":9238,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1539,"11052","Unos huecos profundos de la hostia, voy a llamar eso badén invertido, sé que es para que pase el agua.",6191.02,6194.66,{"idx":9240,"utterance_id":9241,"speaker_name":69,"text":9242,"start_s":9243,"end_s":9244,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1540,"11053","Pero, ¿por qué es tan profundo, hermano?",6194.7,6196.38,{"idx":9246,"utterance_id":9247,"speaker_name":69,"text":9248,"start_s":9249,"end_s":9250,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1541,"11054","No consigo pasar con mi coche por eso, tengo que pasar de lado.",6196.42,6198.9,{"idx":9252,"utterance_id":9253,"speaker_name":175,"text":9254,"start_s":9255,"end_s":9256,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1542,"11055","Es que está mal hecho, si lo veo me pongo furioso.",6198.96,6201.24,{"idx":9258,"utterance_id":9259,"speaker_name":69,"text":9260,"start_s":9261,"end_s":9262,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1543,"11056","Pues, hombre, eso es muy triste, está mal hecho.",6201.32,6204.08,{"idx":9264,"utterance_id":9265,"speaker_name":69,"text":9266,"start_s":9267,"end_s":9268,"word_count":322,"indexable":74},1544,"11057","Porque mira, entiendo el badén, de hecho el badén invertido para dejar pasar agua, pero bueno, si ya está mal y es difícil arreglarlo, poned una porquería de una chapa de hierro allí que esté elevada hacia arriba, no sé, cualquier cosa.",6204.26,6214.1,{"idx":9270,"utterance_id":9271,"speaker_name":175,"text":9272,"start_s":9273,"end_s":9274,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1545,"11058","Pero, pues, yo...",6214.48,6215.02,{"idx":9276,"utterance_id":9277,"speaker_name":69,"text":9278,"start_s":9279,"end_s":9280,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1546,"11059","Tío, ya tuve que gastar 5.000 reales en la reparación del coche porque se rompió un pedazo de mi radiador.",6215.82,6222.58,{"idx":9282,"utterance_id":9283,"speaker_name":69,"text":9284,"start_s":9285,"end_s":9286,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1547,"11060","Porque el coche solo pegó así y quedó hecho polvo.",6222.62,6225.78,{"idx":9288,"utterance_id":9289,"speaker_name":175,"text":9290,"start_s":9291,"end_s":9292,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1548,"11061","Pero ¿es el coche de esa llave que estaba 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Mira, pero bueno, queremos hacer esto lo más rápido posible, porque, obviamente, falta personal.",6414.5,6420.14,{"idx":9633,"utterance_id":9634,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9635,"start_s":9636,"end_s":9637,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},1606,"11119","Cuando piensas en seguridad pública, por un lado, tengo que invertir en tecnología, tengo que valorar a los profesionales y tengo que poner más gente.",6420.94,6427.42,{"idx":9639,"utterance_id":9640,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9641,"start_s":9642,"end_s":9643,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1607,"11120","Son los tres pilares de actuación.",6427.7,6430.1,{"idx":9645,"utterance_id":9646,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9647,"start_s":9648,"end_s":9649,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1608,"11121","Entonces, el concurso es fundamental, hay que renovar la plantilla, hay que poner 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icónicas.",6501.88,6508.94,{"idx":9777,"utterance_id":9778,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9779,"start_s":9780,"end_s":9781,"word_count":341,"indexable":74},1630,"11143","un edificio bonito, algo que a los turistas les guste recorrer, que les guste pasear por dentro, algo que se integre en los... No soy urbanista, pero veo que se integre en los espacios, que la gente ande por debajo, que tenga jardín, que tenga explanada, un edificio muy bonito y tal.",6509.58,6524.8,{"idx":9783,"utterance_id":9784,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9785,"start_s":9786,"end_s":9787,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1631,"11144","Creo que necesitamos esos símbolos, esos íconos.",6525.58,6530.94,{"idx":9789,"utterance_id":9790,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9791,"start_s":9792,"end_s":9793,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1632,"11145","El otro día la secretaria de cultura trajo un proyecto de una escuela de música bellísima.",6531.54,6536.34,{"idx":9795,"utterance_id":9796,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9797,"start_s":9798,"end_s":9799,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1633,"11146","Pero es lo siguiente: entonces piensas, voy a gastar ese dinero para hacer una escuela de música.",6538.12,6542.62,{"idx":9801,"utterance_id":9802,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9803,"start_s":9804,"end_s":9805,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1634,"11147","Entonces te detienes, tiene mucho sentido.",6543.02,6544.54,{"idx":9807,"utterance_id":9808,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9809,"start_s":9810,"end_s":9811,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1635,"11148","Porque eso va a convertirse en un punto de visita.",6544.58,6547.06,{"idx":9813,"utterance_id":9814,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9815,"start_s":9816,"end_s":9817,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1636,"11149","Esto va a estar en una explanada.",6547.88,6549.3,{"idx":9819,"utterance_id":9820,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9821,"start_s":9822,"end_s":9823,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1637,"11150","Esto va a tener una plaza enorme al frente.",6549.34,6553.66,{"idx":9825,"utterance_id":9826,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9827,"start_s":9828,"end_s":9829,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1638,"11151","Esto va a tener dos rampas bonitas.",6553.7,6555.5,{"idx":9831,"utterance_id":9832,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9833,"start_s":9834,"end_s":9835,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1639,"11152","Así que, tiene mucho sentido.",6556.7,6558.46,{"idx":9837,"utterance_id":9838,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9839,"start_s":9840,"end_s":9841,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1640,"11153","Y necesitamos esas cosas icónicas.",6558.54,6560.5,{"idx":9843,"utterance_id":9844,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9845,"start_s":9846,"end_s":9847,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1641,"11154","No diría que vayamos a tener un Burj Al-Khalifa aquí.",6560.94,6562.9,{"idx":9849,"utterance_id":9850,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9851,"start_s":9852,"end_s":9853,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1642,"11155","Pero tenemos que tener algo bueno, algo que llame la atención, que tenga turistas.",6564.44,6567.4,{"idx":9855,"utterance_id":9856,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9857,"start_s":9858,"end_s":9859,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1643,"11156","que, obviamente, se integre con el espacio.",6568.6,6571.42,{"idx":9861,"utterance_id":9862,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9863,"start_s":9864,"end_s":9865,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},1644,"11157","Por ejemplo, quiero hacer una explanada frente a la Sala São Paulo y tomar el taller de mantenimiento de la CPTM y moverlo hacia atrás, ahí donde está la Favela do Moinho.",6571.46,6585.04,{"idx":9867,"utterance_id":9868,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9869,"start_s":9870,"end_s":9871,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1645,"11158","Y en la Favela do Moinho quiero que la gente viva en edificios decentes y buenos.",6585.22,6589.06,{"idx":9873,"utterance_id":9874,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9875,"start_s":9876,"end_s":9877,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1646,"11159","Quiero dar un apartamento allí para cada uno.",6589.1,6590.6,{"idx":9879,"utterance_id":9880,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9881,"start_s":9882,"end_s":9883,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1647,"11160","Como vamos a dar allí en São Sebastião.",6591.3,6592.56,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":9885,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9886,"start_s":9887,"end_s":9888,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},"11161","Como vamos a... 100 mil.",6592.62,6595.52,{"idx":9890,"utterance_id":9891,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9892,"start_s":9893,"end_s":9894,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1649,"11162","Viviendas en 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desmovilizando.",6604.58,6606.42,{"idx":9920,"utterance_id":9921,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9922,"start_s":9923,"end_s":9924,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1654,"11167","Por ejemplo, quiero terminar la línea 17 allá.",6606.98,6610.44,{"idx":9926,"utterance_id":9927,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9928,"start_s":9929,"end_s":9930,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1655,"11168","Pero terminar solo la línea 17, tengo al otro lado de la Roberto Marinho esa favelaización.",6612.48,6618.24,{"idx":9932,"utterance_id":9933,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9934,"start_s":9935,"end_s":9936,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1656,"11169","Entonces, ¿qué quería?",6618.48,6619.06,{"idx":9938,"utterance_id":9939,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9940,"start_s":9941,"end_s":9942,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1657,"11170","Sustituir todo eso.",6619.76,6620.74,{"idx":9944,"utterance_id":9945,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9946,"start_s":9947,"end_s":9948,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1658,"11171","Tomar a esas personas, las saco, las pongo en una villa de paso, en una casa provisional, construyo un edificio y después las vuelvo a poner a todos.",6621.78,6628.68,{"idx":9950,"utterance_id":9951,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9952,"start_s":9953,"end_s":9954,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1659,"11172","Es decir, cambio una vivienda precaria por una vivienda legal.",6629.1,6632.12,{"idx":9956,"utterance_id":9957,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9958,"start_s":9959,"end_s":9960,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1660,"11173","Y las personas van a vivir en el mismo lugar.",6632.54,6633.66,{"idx":9962,"utterance_id":9963,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9964,"start_s":9965,"end_s":9966,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1661,"11174","Solo que yo revitalizo todo eso.",6634.02,6635.54,{"idx":9968,"utterance_id":9969,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9970,"start_s":9971,"end_s":9972,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1662,"11175","Eso es muy bueno.",6635.58,6636.28,{"idx":9974,"utterance_id":9975,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9976,"start_s":9977,"end_s":9978,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1663,"11176","Esto lo tenemos que hacer.",6636.34,6637.12,{"idx":9980,"utterance_id":9981,"speaker_name":69,"text":9982,"start_s":9983,"end_s":9984,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1664,"11177","Amigo, olvidé hablar de esto a lo largo, pero rápidamente.",6638.4,6642.1,{"idx":9986,"utterance_id":9987,"speaker_name":69,"text":9988,"start_s":9989,"end_s":9990,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1665,"11178","¿Dónde está ocurriendo, en este momento, la administración del Estado de São Paulo?",6642.78,6647.28,{"idx":9992,"utterance_id":9993,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":9994,"start_s":9995,"end_s":9996,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1666,"11179","Está en el Palácio Bandeirantes y en las secretarías.",6647.68,6649.58,{"idx":9998,"utterance_id":9999,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10000,"start_s":10001,"end_s":10002,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1667,"11180","El Estado...",6650.16,6650.76,{"idx":10004,"utterance_id":10005,"speaker_name":175,"text":10006,"start_s":10007,"end_s":10008,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1668,"11181","¿Tú no querías cambiar?",6651.16,6652.44,{"idx":10010,"utterance_id":10011,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10012,"start_s":10013,"end_s":10014,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1669,"11182","No, pero entonces hay que construir todo primero.",6652.84,6654.86,{"idx":10016,"utterance_id":10017,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10018,"start_s":10019,"end_s":10020,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1670,"11183","Estamos haciendo el proyecto.",6655.64,6656.86,{"idx":10022,"utterance_id":10023,"speaker_name":175,"text":10024,"start_s":10025,"end_s":10026,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1671,"11184","Entonces está en ese punto, en la fase del proyecto.",6657.46,6659.3,{"idx":10028,"utterance_id":10029,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10030,"start_s":10031,"end_s":10032,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1672,"11185","Se está elaborando el proyecto, hay un grupo, la FIP fue contratada para hacer la modelización.",6659.4,6662.96,{"idx":10034,"utterance_id":10035,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10036,"start_s":10037,"end_s":10038,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1673,"11186","Vamos a estructurar una asociación público-privada, el proyecto está en marcha.",6663,6666.14,{"idx":10040,"utterance_id":10041,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10042,"start_s":10043,"end_s":10044,"word_count":286,"indexable":74},1674,"11187","Encontraron algo, esto ya había sido pensado antes, ahora encontraron un proyecto de Paulo Mendes da Rocha que trata sobre esto, que incluso ya tiene el proyecto de los edificios y tal.",6666.28,6677.02,{"idx":10046,"utterance_id":10047,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10048,"start_s":10049,"end_s":10050,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1675,"11188","Vamos a ver si esos proyectos están suficientemente adecuados para lo que queremos, para nuestra necesidad.",6677.8,6682.98,{"idx":10052,"utterance_id":10053,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10054,"start_s":10055,"end_s":10056,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1676,"11189","La administración pública de São Paulo ocupa 56 edificios diferentes en el centro, en un área de 807 mil metros cuadrados.",6683.58,6691.08,{"idx":10058,"utterance_id":10059,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10060,"start_s":10061,"end_s":10062,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1677,"11190","Tengo una demanda de 300 mil metros cuadrados, así que uso 500 mil metros cuadrados más de lo que necesito.",6691.12,6696.34,{"idx":10064,"utterance_id":10065,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10066,"start_s":10067,"end_s":10068,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1678,"11191","Entonces es un desperdicio de dinero.",6697.22,6698.52,{"idx":10070,"utterance_id":10071,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10072,"start_s":10073,"end_s":10074,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1679,"11192","Necesito... No es una medida para quedar bien.",6698.8,6702.5,{"idx":10076,"utterance_id":10077,"speaker_name":69,"text":10078,"start_s":10079,"end_s":10080,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1680,"11193","Tiene que ver con... 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Gusmões.",6721.12,6724.96,{"idx":10100,"utterance_id":10101,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10102,"start_s":10103,"end_s":10104,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1684,"11197","Entonces, pues, muy cerca.",6725.38,6726.92,{"idx":16,"utterance_id":10106,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10107,"start_s":10108,"end_s":10109,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},"11198","La gente se está concentrando entre la Rio Branco y la Rua dos Guzmães.",6727.9,6731.68,{"idx":10111,"utterance_id":10112,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10113,"start_s":10114,"end_s":10115,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1686,"11199","Entonces, así, traemos algo por donde la gente va a circular.",6732.28,6738.06,{"idx":10117,"utterance_id":10118,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10119,"start_s":10120,"end_s":10121,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1687,"11200","Incluso lo estábamos discutiendo.",6738.96,6739.8,{"idx":10123,"utterance_id":10124,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10125,"start_s":10126,"end_s":10127,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1688,"11201","Toma el terminal.",6740.04,6740.82,{"idx":10129,"utterance_id":10130,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10131,"start_s":10132,"end_s":10133,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1689,"11202","que está allí al lado de Campos Elíseos, del Palacio Campos Elíseos, terminal de autobuses.",6741.72,6745.48,{"idx":10135,"utterance_id":10136,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10137,"start_s":10138,"end_s":10139,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1690,"11203","Allí tienes la posibilidad de construir un edificio encima, explotar un centro comercial, tener tiendas, no sé qué.",6745.86,6750.62,{"idx":10141,"utterance_id":10142,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10143,"start_s":10144,"end_s":10145,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1691,"11204","La gente necesita volver a circular allí en el centro, porque entonces llega la seguridad, llega la circulación, llegan las tiendas y tal, para darle vida.",6751.02,6759.8,{"idx":10147,"utterance_id":10148,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10149,"start_s":10150,"end_s":10151,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1692,"11205","Necesitamos cosas que den vida.",6760,6761.22,{"idx":10153,"utterance_id":10154,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10155,"start_s":10156,"end_s":10157,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1693,"11206","Y eso que él dijo tiene mucho sentido para mí: necesitamos cosas icónicas que atraigan ese movimiento, que traigan turismo.",6761.76,6768.2,{"idx":10159,"utterance_id":10160,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10161,"start_s":10162,"end_s":10163,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1694,"11207","Por eso dije: no tenemos ni una calle temática.",6768.24,6770.76,{"idx":10165,"utterance_id":10166,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10167,"start_s":10168,"end_s":10169,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1695,"11208","¿No existe la Rua das Motos?",6770.8,6771.68,{"idx":10171,"utterance_id":10172,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10173,"start_s":10174,"end_s":10175,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1696,"11209","Mira, tiene que haber un símbolo ahí.",6771.84,6773.7,{"idx":10177,"utterance_id":10178,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10179,"start_s":10180,"end_s":10181,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1697,"11210","Tiene que haber una moto.",6773.8,6774.7,{"idx":10183,"utterance_id":10184,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10185,"start_s":10186,"end_s":10187,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1698,"11211","Tiene que haber una escultura.",6774.78,6775.84,{"idx":10189,"utterance_id":10190,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10191,"start_s":10192,"end_s":10193,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1699,"11212","Tiene que haber un Globo de la Muerte.",6775.88,6776.76,{"idx":10195,"utterance_id":10196,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10197,"start_s":10198,"end_s":10199,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1700,"11213","No sé qué más tiene que haber.",6776.8,6777.5,{"idx":10201,"utterance_id":10202,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10203,"start_s":10204,"end_s":10205,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1701,"11214","Pero tiene que haber algo genial que la gente... ¡Joder, esta es la Rua das Motos!",6777.98,6780.98,{"idx":10207,"utterance_id":10208,"speaker_name":175,"text":10209,"start_s":10210,"end_s":10211,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1702,"11215","El Globo de la Muerte es 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más oportunidades de mejora en términos de digitalización.",6878.28,6882.48,{"idx":10385,"utterance_id":10386,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10387,"start_s":10388,"end_s":10389,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1732,"11245","La vida del usuario que depende del Detran aquí en São Paulo es muy mala.",6883.32,6887.06,{"idx":10391,"utterance_id":10392,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10393,"start_s":10394,"end_s":10395,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1733,"11246","Así que es algo que vamos a pensar dos veces antes de proceder con la convocatoria.",6887.32,6892.08,{"idx":10397,"utterance_id":10398,"speaker_name":69,"text":10399,"start_s":10400,"end_s":10401,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1734,"11247","Hay otro audio ahí de PH Moutinho.",6893.42,6896.08,{"idx":10403,"utterance_id":10404,"speaker_name":175,"text":10405,"start_s":10406,"end_s":10407,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},1735,"11248","Gobernador, manteniendo el tema de la movilidad urbana, tenemos un problema 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Sale de Campinas, va parando en la región metropolitana de Campinas, hasta llegar a Jundiaí, después va parando aquí en Francisco Morato, Franco da Rocha, no sé qué, hasta llegar aquí a São Paulo.",7021.74,7039.3,{"idx":10589,"utterance_id":10590,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10591,"start_s":10592,"end_s":10593,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1766,"11279","Y está el Expreso.",7039.84,7040.96,{"idx":10595,"utterance_id":10596,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10597,"start_s":10598,"end_s":10599,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1767,"11280","El Expreso sale de Campinas, hace una parada en Jundiaí y viene hasta São Paulo.",7041,7045.18,{"idx":10601,"utterance_id":10602,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10603,"start_s":10604,"end_s":10605,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},1768,"11281","Es un tren de velocidad media, estamos hablando de cien y... 120 por hora, pero en promedio irá a 100 por hora, 110 por hora.",7045.54,7053.46,{"idx":10607,"utterance_id":10608,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10609,"start_s":10610,"end_s":10611,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1769,"11282","Hará ese recorrido en 64 minutos, Campinas-SP.",7053.5,7057.62,{"idx":10613,"utterance_id":10614,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10615,"start_s":10616,"end_s":10617,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1770,"11283","Y es el primero.",7057.86,7058.76,{"idx":10619,"utterance_id":10620,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10621,"start_s":10622,"end_s":10623,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1771,"11284","El Parador estará listo en 4 años, el Expreso en 7 años.",7059.46,7064.54,{"idx":10625,"utterance_id":10626,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10627,"start_s":10628,"end_s":10629,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1772,"11285","En 7 años tendrás un tren Expreso Campinas-SP.",7064.74,7066.82,{"idx":10631,"utterance_id":10632,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10633,"start_s":10634,"end_s":10635,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1773,"11286","Ya estamos estudiando el Sorocaba-SP y debería ir a subasta en 2025.",7067.72,7071.06,{"idx":10637,"utterance_id":10638,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10639,"start_s":10640,"end_s":10641,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1774,"11287","Entonces en 2025 lo subastamos... 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Vestir en la Raposo, en la Castelo.",7149.18,7152.28,{"idx":10733,"utterance_id":10734,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10735,"start_s":10736,"end_s":10737,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1790,"11303","Entonces, la relicitación de la Vioecha.",7153.1,7156.52,{"idx":10739,"utterance_id":10740,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10741,"start_s":10742,"end_s":10743,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1791,"11304","Vamos a tener muchas intervenciones en la Raposo Tavares.",7156.56,7158.58,{"idx":10745,"utterance_id":10746,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10747,"start_s":10748,"end_s":10749,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1792,"11305","Tendremos las intervenciones en la Castelo.",7159.32,7162.74,{"idx":10751,"utterance_id":10752,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10753,"start_s":10754,"end_s":10755,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1793,"11306","Tendremos intervenciones en las carreteras del Tietê, que allí incluyen la Marechal Rondon.",7162.78,7167.22,{"idx":10757,"utterance_id":10758,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10759,"start_s":10760,"end_s":10761,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1794,"11307","Tendremos el tren Intercidades Campinas-SP.",7167.78,7169.88,{"idx":10763,"utterance_id":10764,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10765,"start_s":10766,"end_s":10767,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1795,"11308","Tendremos el tren Sorocaba-SP.",7170.12,7171.5,{"idx":10769,"utterance_id":10770,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10771,"start_s":10772,"end_s":10773,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1796,"11309","Entonces, eso es lo que está planeado para mejorar esta llegada a la ciudad.",7171.78,7175.4,{"idx":10775,"utterance_id":10776,"speaker_name":69,"text":10777,"start_s":10778,"end_s":10779,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1797,"11310","Hugo, 1992.",7177.7,7178.42,{"idx":10781,"utterance_id":10782,"speaker_name":69,"text":10783,"start_s":10784,"end_s":10785,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1798,"11311","Tarcísio, ¿cuál es tu visión sobre el 4 a 0 en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) respecto al tema de la despenalización de la marihuana?",7180.12,7186.38,{"idx":10787,"utterance_id":10788,"speaker_name":69,"text":10789,"start_s":10790,"end_s":10791,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1799,"11312","¿Crees que el prohibicionismo es el camino?",7186.98,7189.8,{"idx":10793,"utterance_id":10794,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10795,"start_s":10796,"end_s":10797,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},1800,"11313","Mira, yo estoy en contra de la legalización de la marihuana, estoy en contra de esa cuestión de la despenalización, porque, como dije, estamos viendo a los traficantes usar una estrategia de portar cada vez menos droga.",7191.34,7204.44,{"idx":10799,"utterance_id":10800,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10801,"start_s":10802,"end_s":10803,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},1801,"11314","Entonces el tipo, por ejemplo, deja esa droga almacenada en un lugar, va allí, comercializa; por eso siempre porta una pequeña cantidad, por lo que siempre se hace pasar por un usuario.",7204.5,7212.64,{"idx":10805,"utterance_id":10806,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10807,"start_s":10808,"end_s":10809,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1802,"11315","Pero al final de cuentas, ¿cuál es mi miedo?",7213.8,7215.58,{"idx":10811,"utterance_id":10812,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10813,"start_s":10814,"end_s":10815,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},1803,"11316","Es que, por ejemplo, la marihuana sea la puerta de entrada a otras drogas más duras, a la cocaína, al crack, al K9.",7215.62,7221.7,{"idx":10817,"utterance_id":10818,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10819,"start_s":10820,"end_s":10821,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1804,"11317","Eso es un problema.",7222.36,7223.3,{"idx":10823,"utterance_id":10824,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10825,"start_s":10826,"end_s":10827,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1805,"11318","Tengo miedo de que eso se convierta en un problema de salud pública.",7223.4,7225.28,{"idx":10829,"utterance_id":10830,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10831,"start_s":10832,"end_s":10833,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1806,"11319","Y a veces en la vida de la familia de quien termina volviéndose dependiente, se convierte en un trastorno muy grande.",7226.02,7232.52,{"idx":10835,"utterance_id":10836,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10837,"start_s":10838,"end_s":10839,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1807,"11320","Entonces creo que eso dificulta la tarea, por ejemplo, el esfuerzo de la seguridad pública para realmente coartar el tráfico de drogas que son más pesadas.",7233,7242.18,{"idx":10841,"utterance_id":10842,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10843,"start_s":10844,"end_s":10845,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1808,"11321","Tendríamos que prohibir el prensado.",7242.26,7243.92,{"idx":10847,"utterance_id":10848,"speaker_name":69,"text":10849,"start_s":10850,"end_s":10851,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1809,"11322","Prohibir el prensado.",7246.12,7246.98,{"idx":10853,"utterance_id":10854,"speaker_name":69,"text":10855,"start_s":10856,"end_s":10857,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1810,"11323","Lo digo en serio, ¿sabes por qué?",7247.2,7248.44,{"idx":10859,"utterance_id":10860,"speaker_name":69,"text":10861,"start_s":10862,"end_s":10863,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1811,"11324","Porque así, cuando hablas de puerta de entrada hacia otras drogas, ¿cómo me viene eso a la cabeza?",7248.94,7253.8,{"idx":10865,"utterance_id":10866,"speaker_name":69,"text":10867,"start_s":10868,"end_s":10869,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1812,"11325","Mira, conozco un montón de marihuaneros.",7254.46,7256.06,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":10871,"speaker_name":69,"text":10872,"start_s":10873,"end_s":10874,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},"11326","Y lo que les importa a esos tipos es fumar marihuana.",7256.54,7259,{"idx":10876,"utterance_id":10877,"speaker_name":69,"text":10878,"start_s":10879,"end_s":10880,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1814,"11327","No están preocupados por fumar, por buscar canoia, porque quieren la sensación (la 'brisa') de la marihuana.",7259.5,7264.5,{"idx":10882,"utterance_id":10883,"speaker_name":175,"text":10884,"start_s":10885,"end_s":10886,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1815,"11328","y eso es todo.",7264.54,7264.86,{"idx":10888,"utterance_id":10889,"speaker_name":69,"text":10890,"start_s":10891,"end_s":10892,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1816,"11329","Pero el prensado proviene necesariamente del crimen organizado.",7265.68,7276.28,{"idx":10894,"utterance_id":10895,"speaker_name":69,"text":10896,"start_s":10897,"end_s":10898,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1817,"11330","Porque los tipos cultivan grandes cantidades, toman eso, lo prensan, no sé qué.",7277,7280.7,{"idx":10900,"utterance_id":10901,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10902,"start_s":10903,"end_s":10904,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1818,"11331","Están aprendiendo un montón.",7280.76,7281.76,{"idx":10906,"utterance_id":10907,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10908,"start_s":10909,"end_s":10910,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1819,"11332","Vaya, cómo estamos aprendiendo esto.",7281.82,7283.16,{"idx":10912,"utterance_id":10913,"speaker_name":69,"text":10914,"start_s":10915,"end_s":10916,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1820,"11333","Y del prensado no me gusta.",7283.26,7285.16,{"idx":10918,"utterance_id":10919,"speaker_name":69,"text":10920,"start_s":10921,"end_s":10922,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1821,"11334","Entonces, ¿qué pasa?",7286.32,7287.62,{"idx":10924,"utterance_id":10925,"speaker_name":69,"text":10926,"start_s":10927,"end_s":10928,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1822,"11335","Que el tipo vaya hasta el punto de venta de drogas (boca de fumo) a comprar el prensado, exponemos a ese tipo a un montón de cosas.",7288.72,7298.82,{"idx":10930,"utterance_id":10931,"speaker_name":69,"text":10932,"start_s":10933,"end_s":10934,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1823,"11336","Exponemos a ese tipo a conflictos.",7298.86,7300.96,{"idx":10936,"utterance_id":10937,"speaker_name":69,"text":10938,"start_s":10939,"end_s":10940,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1824,"11337","Ponemos a ese tipo en contacto con otras drogas, lo exponemos a un montón de cosas.",7301.34,7305.02,{"idx":10942,"utterance_id":10943,"speaker_name":69,"text":10944,"start_s":10945,"end_s":10946,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1825,"11338","En ese sentido, si... Y aquí no soy político, no soy nada de eso, solo estaba pensando en esto.",7305.52,7311.58,{"idx":10948,"utterance_id":10949,"speaker_name":69,"text":10950,"start_s":10951,"end_s":10952,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},1826,"11339","Que, pues, si tuviéramos un esquema en el que el tipo pueda plantar en su casa y reprimiéramos el prensado, entonces pensaría, lo consideraría.",7312.26,7323.3,{"idx":10954,"utterance_id":10955,"speaker_name":69,"text":10956,"start_s":10957,"end_s":10958,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1827,"11340","¿Me entiendes?",7323.82,7324.22,{"idx":10960,"utterance_id":10961,"speaker_name":69,"text":10962,"start_s":10963,"end_s":10964,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1828,"11341","Pero entiendo que tu rechazo a las drogas tiene un componente ideológico y todo eso.",7324.86,7330.76,{"idx":10966,"utterance_id":10967,"speaker_name":69,"text":10968,"start_s":10969,"end_s":10970,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1829,"11342","Va un poco más allá de...",7330.8,7331.7,{"idx":10972,"utterance_id":10973,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10974,"start_s":10975,"end_s":10976,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1830,"11343","He visto... paso por la Cracolândia todas las semanas.",7333.04,7337.86,{"idx":10978,"utterance_id":10979,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":10980,"start_s":10981,"end_s":10982,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1831,"11344","No estoy hablando de... 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fue que cayó y se golpeó la cabeza en el suelo y murió.",7394.38,7398.38,{"idx":11068,"utterance_id":11069,"speaker_name":69,"text":11070,"start_s":11071,"end_s":11072,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1846,"11359","Entonces, estar expuesto a esos peligros, puedo entender que es un problema de hecho.",7399.6,7406.16,{"idx":11074,"utterance_id":11075,"speaker_name":69,"text":11076,"start_s":11077,"end_s":11078,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1847,"11360","Por eso, que se acabe con el prensado y se permita que el tipo plante en casa.",7406.56,7410.86,{"idx":11080,"utterance_id":11081,"speaker_name":69,"text":11082,"start_s":11083,"end_s":11084,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1848,"11361","Entonces el marihuanito del prensado dirá, espera, ¿no puedo comprar el prensado?",7410.98,7414.5,{"idx":11086,"utterance_id":11087,"speaker_name":69,"text":11088,"start_s":11089,"end_s":11090,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1849,"11362","Pero puedo plantar en casa.",7414.84,7416.24,{"idx":11092,"utterance_id":11093,"speaker_name":69,"text":11094,"start_s":11095,"end_s":11096,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1850,"11363","No sé, es una idea.",7417.16,7418.48,{"idx":11098,"utterance_id":11099,"speaker_name":69,"text":11100,"start_s":11101,"end_s":11102,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},1851,"11364","Mari, ah Mari quizá, Mari Timpone mandó aquí, tal, investigaciones indican que la educación es un escudo contra la criminalidad, espera, investigaciones indican que la educación es un escudo contra la criminalidad.",7419.54,7432.46,{"idx":11104,"utterance_id":11105,"speaker_name":69,"text":11106,"start_s":11107,"end_s":11108,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1852,"11365","Cuando se realiza una inversión del 1% en educación, el índice de criminalidad cae un 0,1%.",7433.12,7437,{"idx":11110,"utterance_id":11111,"speaker_name":69,"text":11112,"start_s":11113,"end_s":11114,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1853,"11366","¿Por qué no combatir la criminalidad valorizando las escuelas públicas y estatales como las FATECs y ETECs?",7440.58,7446.18,{"idx":11116,"utterance_id":11117,"speaker_name":69,"text":11118,"start_s":11119,"end_s":11120,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1854,"11367","Con las cuales debe haber más... Bueno, se quedó aquí.",7446.66,7449.5,{"idx":11122,"utterance_id":11123,"speaker_name":69,"text":11124,"start_s":11125,"end_s":11126,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1855,"11368","Con las cuales.",7449.62,7450.12,{"idx":11128,"utterance_id":11129,"speaker_name":69,"text":1748,"start_s":11130,"end_s":11131,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1856,"11369",7451.28,7451.34,{"idx":11133,"utterance_id":11134,"speaker_name":175,"text":11135,"start_s":11136,"end_s":11137,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1857,"11370","Bueno.",7451.76,7451.84,{"idx":11139,"utterance_id":11140,"speaker_name":175,"text":11141,"start_s":11142,"end_s":11143,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1858,"11371","Entonces, ella debe estar hablando del asunto de la huelga de las Fatex y Etex.",7453.36,7457.82,{"idx":11145,"utterance_id":11146,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11147,"start_s":11148,"end_s":11149,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1859,"11372","Es que yo dije, así, la idea, claro, es valorar.",7457.9,7460.48,{"idx":11151,"utterance_id":11152,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11153,"start_s":11154,"end_s":11155,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1860,"11373","Tenemos la limitación hoy de espacio.",7461.34,7463.14,{"idx":11157,"utterance_id":11158,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11159,"start_s":11160,"end_s":11161,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1861,"11374","Si pudiera dar un buen aumento salarial, un salario decente, lógicamente lo haría.",7463.56,7469.52,{"idx":11163,"utterance_id":11164,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11165,"start_s":11166,"end_s":11167,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1862,"11375","Eso es bueno para todo el mundo, es una agenda buena, una agenda positiva.",7470.3,7472.94,{"idx":11169,"utterance_id":11170,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11171,"start_s":11172,"end_s":11173,"word_count":197,"indexable":74},1863,"11376","Cuando no lo hacemos, no es porque no queramos hacerlo, es porque tengo una limitación para hacerlo.",7473.3,7476.88,{"idx":11175,"utterance_id":11176,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11177,"start_s":11178,"end_s":11179,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1864,"11377","Creo que tenemos que pensar en el financiamiento de esas escuelas, junto con la cuestión de las universidades federales.",7478.14,7486.2,{"idx":11181,"utterance_id":11182,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11183,"start_s":11184,"end_s":11185,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1865,"11378","Necesitamos, incluso, utilizar esas ETECs y FATECs.",7486.94,7489.9,{"idx":11187,"utterance_id":11188,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11189,"start_s":11190,"end_s":11191,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1866,"11379","De una forma mejor.",7490.2,7490.98,{"idx":11193,"utterance_id":11194,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11195,"start_s":11196,"end_s":11197,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1867,"11380","¿En qué sentido?",7491.18,7491.78,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":11199,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11200,"start_s":11201,"end_s":11202,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},"11381","En cada región del estado tengo la urgencia por determinados profesionales y muchas veces hay un desajuste entre los costos que se ofrecen y la necesidad del mercado.",7493.36,7502.78,{"idx":11204,"utterance_id":11205,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11206,"start_s":11207,"end_s":11208,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},1869,"11382","Ese emparejamiento tengo que promoverlo, porque así tendré efectividad: la persona estará estudiando en el curso técnico, pero sabrá exactamente dónde va a ser empleada al siguiente paso.",7502.84,7511.26,{"idx":11210,"utterance_id":11211,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11212,"start_s":11213,"end_s":11214,"word_count":322,"indexable":74},1870,"11383","Hay una inversión en infraestructura, porque las escuelas se están quedando envejecidas; necesitamos hacer una recuperación de la estructura física, de la estructura de laboratorios, de parques de tecnología de la información y, obviamente, valorizar al cuerpo profesional, tener más profesores, profesores mejor remunerados.",7511.9,7530.32,{"idx":11216,"utterance_id":11217,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11218,"start_s":11219,"end_s":11220,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1871,"11384","Esto vale también para la escuela pública.",7530.94,7532.84,{"idx":11222,"utterance_id":11223,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11224,"start_s":11225,"end_s":11226,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1872,"11385","¿Qué queremos hacer?",7533.5,7535.2,{"idx":11228,"utterance_id":11229,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11230,"start_s":11231,"end_s":11232,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1873,"11386","Vamos a invertir mucho.",7536.78,7537.82,{"idx":11234,"utterance_id":11235,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11236,"start_s":11237,"end_s":11238,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1874,"11387","en herramientas para el aprendizaje.",7539.7,7541.14,{"idx":11240,"utterance_id":11241,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11242,"start_s":11243,"end_s":11244,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1875,"11388","Por ejemplo, ahora tendremos el programa de intercambio.",7541.18,7544.7,{"idx":11246,"utterance_id":11247,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11248,"start_s":11249,"end_s":11250,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1876,"11389","Nunca se ha tenido esto.",7545.24,7545.94,{"idx":11252,"utterance_id":11253,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11254,"start_s":11255,"end_s":11256,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1877,"11390","¿Qué queremos?",7545.98,7546.5,{"idx":11258,"utterance_id":11259,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11260,"start_s":11261,"end_s":11262,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1878,"11391","Enviar al alumno de la escuela pública al extranjero.",7546.58,7548.06,{"idx":11264,"utterance_id":11265,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":4739,"start_s":11266,"end_s":11267,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1879,"11392",7548.28,7549.1,{"idx":11269,"utterance_id":11270,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11271,"start_s":11272,"end_s":11273,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1880,"11393","Haré una selección con todos los estudiantes en la transición del último año de la escuela primaria al bachillerato.",7549.84,7557.74,{"idx":11275,"utterance_id":11276,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11277,"start_s":11278,"end_s":11279,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1881,"11394","Los 70.000 mejores tendrán un curso de idiomas pagado por el Estado.",7559.06,7562.78,{"idx":11281,"utterance_id":11282,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11283,"start_s":11284,"end_s":11285,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1882,"11395","Y a los mil mejores los voy a mandar... 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profesor.",7577.3,7578.18,{"idx":11311,"utterance_id":11312,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11313,"start_s":11314,"end_s":11315,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1887,"11400","Por ejemplo, el Estado de São Paulo paga bonos a los funcionarios públicos, que es una forma de complementar el salario.",7579.26,7583.04,{"idx":11317,"utterance_id":11318,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11319,"start_s":11320,"end_s":11321,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1888,"11401","El salario es bajo, entonces se crea el bono.",7583.08,7585.8,{"idx":11323,"utterance_id":11324,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11325,"start_s":11326,"end_s":11327,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1889,"11402","Sería mejor que no existiera pedro de casa y que todo el mundo ganara más.",7586.24,7588.9,{"idx":11329,"utterance_id":11330,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11331,"start_s":11332,"end_s":11333,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1890,"11403","Pero también tenemos que intentar vincular eso a resultados.",7590.2,7593.9,{"idx":11335,"utterance_id":11336,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11337,"start_s":11338,"end_s":11339,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1891,"11404","Entonces, ¿qué estamos tramando aquí?",7593.94,7595.3,{"idx":11341,"utterance_id":11342,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11343,"start_s":11344,"end_s":11345,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1892,"11405","Vamos a intentar promover un crecimiento en el IDEB.",7596.98,7600.06,{"idx":11347,"utterance_id":11348,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11349,"start_s":11350,"end_s":11351,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1893,"11406","Entonces habrá la prueba del Saeb.",7600.14,7601.16,{"idx":11353,"utterance_id":11354,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11355,"start_s":11356,"end_s":11357,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1894,"11407","Quiero saber lo siguiente.",7601.48,7602.32,{"idx":11359,"utterance_id":11360,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11361,"start_s":11362,"end_s":11363,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},1895,"11408","Si la escuela sube X en la prueba del Saeb y consigue un determinado crecimiento, alcanza una meta que voy a llamar de oro.",7604.24,7612.86,{"idx":11365,"utterance_id":11366,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11367,"start_s":11368,"end_s":11369,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1896,"11409","Y entonces voy a dar un salario de bono para todo el personal de la escuela.",7613.66,7616.82,{"idx":11371,"utterance_id":11372,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11373,"start_s":11374,"end_s":11375,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1897,"11410","Profesores y otros.",7617.34,7618.46,{"idx":11377,"utterance_id":11378,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11379,"start_s":11380,"end_s":11381,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1898,"11411","empleados, agentes de organización escolar, todo el mundo.",7618.84,7620.7,{"idx":11383,"utterance_id":11384,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11385,"start_s":11386,"end_s":11387,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1899,"11412","Todo el equipo escolar ganó un salario de bono.",7620.94,7623.26,{"idx":11389,"utterance_id":11390,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11391,"start_s":11392,"end_s":11393,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},1900,"11413","Ahora, si van más allá, si ganan, suben más de lo que estipulamos, entonces vamos al segundo nivel de bono, bono diamante, dos salarios.",7623.94,7633.9,{"idx":11395,"utterance_id":11396,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11397,"start_s":11398,"end_s":11399,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1901,"11414","Así que vamos a dar bono financiero por el logro de resultados.",7634.04,7638.04,{"idx":11401,"utterance_id":11402,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11403,"start_s":11404,"end_s":11405,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},1902,"11415","Ese bono y esas metas, oro, diamante, cuánto vamos a subir en la prueba, tienen que calibrarse escuela por escuela, por una razón.",7638.5,7646.96,{"idx":11407,"utterance_id":11408,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11409,"start_s":11410,"end_s":11411,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1903,"11416","Aquellas escuelas que están muy mal pueden subir muy rápidamente.",7648.88,7653.42,{"idx":11413,"utterance_id":11414,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11415,"start_s":11416,"end_s":11417,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},1904,"11417","Las escuelas que ya vienen buenas, para subir aquí tendrán que hacer un esfuerzo.",7653.92,7657.9,{"idx":11419,"utterance_id":11420,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11421,"start_s":11422,"end_s":11423,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1905,"11418","Entonces vamos a calibrar de acuerdo con la escuela, según el grado de vulnerabilidad de la escuela, cuánto está en una zona sensible, porque allí es más difícil.",7657.94,7667.36,{"idx":11425,"utterance_id":11426,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11427,"start_s":11428,"end_s":11429,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1906,"11419","Tenemos que estar monitoreando el rendimiento y el desempeño.",7667.4,7672.28,{"idx":11431,"utterance_id":11432,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11433,"start_s":11434,"end_s":11435,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1907,"11420","Hoy tenemos un BI, veo escuela por escuela, curso por curso, el rendimiento.",7672.84,7677.16,{"idx":11437,"utterance_id":11438,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11439,"start_s":11440,"end_s":11441,"word_count":292,"indexable":74},1908,"11421","Y el desempeño, por ejemplo, veo el desempeño en la prueba paulista, sé quién está yendo bien, quién está yendo mal, en qué asignatura la gente está peor, en qué tema el tipo está peor.",7677.96,7687.24,{"idx":11443,"utterance_id":11444,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11445,"start_s":11446,"end_s":11447,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1909,"11422","y además están las clases electrónicas de refuerzo.",7687.28,7689.54,{"idx":11449,"utterance_id":11450,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11451,"start_s":11452,"end_s":11453,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1910,"11423","Así que estamos empezando a trabajar con esas plataformas.",7689.62,7692.9,{"idx":11455,"utterance_id":11456,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11457,"start_s":11458,"end_s":11459,"word_count":416,"indexable":74},1911,"11424","Vamos a empezar a trabajar con redacción asistida por inteligencia artificial, con matemáticas gamificadas, porque quiero un contacto de los alumnos con TI, porque hoy... Si el tipo abre esa puerta, si entra en el ramo de la tecnología de la información, abrimos 123 mil plazas en Qualifica SP para dar un curso gratuito de tecnología de la información.",7693.44,7712.9,{"idx":11461,"utterance_id":11462,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11463,"start_s":11464,"end_s":11465,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1912,"11425","El tipo abre la puerta en el mercado de trabajo y un programador... Está empezando la vida ahí, va a ganar seis mil, siete mil, ¿está bien?",7714.44,7721.82,{"idx":11467,"utterance_id":11468,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11469,"start_s":11470,"end_s":11471,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1913,"11426","Entonces, es importante.",7721.9,7723.2,{"idx":11473,"utterance_id":11474,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11475,"start_s":11476,"end_s":11477,"word_count":341,"indexable":74},1914,"11427","Y quiero que el alumno tenga herramientas, quiero que el alumno programe; para que el alumno programe tiene que saber matemáticas, tiene que tener razonamiento lógico, quiero que el alumno sepa portugués, porque el mercado le va a exigir capacidad para comunicarse.",7723.74,7734.9,{"idx":11479,"utterance_id":11480,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11481,"start_s":11482,"end_s":11483,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1915,"11428","Así que quiero que ese alumno de la escuela pública triunfe, quiero que aprenda idiomas, quiero que sepa matemáticas, quiero que sepa portugués.",7734.94,7741.64,{"idx":11485,"utterance_id":11486,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11487,"start_s":11488,"end_s":11489,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1916,"11429","Entonces, estamos ideando un sistema.",7742.18,7744,{"idx":11491,"utterance_id":11492,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11493,"start_s":11494,"end_s":11495,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1917,"11430","Tengo las clases...",7744.08,7744.66,{"idx":11497,"utterance_id":11498,"speaker_name":175,"text":11499,"start_s":11500,"end_s":11501,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1918,"11431","Tiene que saber lo nacional también, con las escuelas cívicas y militares.",7744.7,7747.82,{"idx":11503,"utterance_id":11504,"speaker_name":175,"text":11505,"start_s":11506,"end_s":11507,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1919,"11432","Sí, eso es bueno.",7748.04,7748.64,{"idx":11509,"utterance_id":11510,"speaker_name":175,"text":11511,"start_s":11512,"end_s":11513,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1920,"11433","Saber lo nacional está bien, es importante.",7748.82,7750.64,{"idx":11515,"utterance_id":11516,"speaker_name":175,"text":11517,"start_s":11518,"end_s":11519,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1921,"11434","El alumno tiene que...",7750.72,7751.2,{"idx":11521,"utterance_id":11522,"speaker_name":175,"text":11523,"start_s":11524,"end_s":11525,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1922,"11435","De punta a punta.",7751.54,7752.5,{"idx":11527,"utterance_id":11528,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11529,"start_s":11530,"end_s":11531,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1923,"11436","De memoria y con pelos y señales, inclusive los detalles.",7753.42,7755.32,{"idx":11533,"utterance_id":11534,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11535,"start_s":11536,"end_s":11537,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1924,"11437","O en tu seno en la primera parte, en tu seno en la segunda parte.",7756.96,7760.78,{"idx":11539,"utterance_id":11540,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11541,"start_s":11542,"end_s":11543,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1925,"11438","¿Qué es eso, hermano?",7760.82,7761.52,{"idx":11545,"utterance_id":11546,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11547,"start_s":11548,"end_s":11549,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1926,"11439","Sí, ¿en qué estás pensando?",7761.98,7763.38,{"idx":11551,"utterance_id":11552,"speaker_name":175,"text":11553,"start_s":11554,"end_s":11555,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},1927,"11440","Y ese otro, hay uno que es... ¿Cómo es?",7763.42,7767.38,{"idx":11557,"utterance_id":11558,"speaker_name":175,"text":11559,"start_s":11560,"end_s":11561,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1928,"11441","Es... La paz queremos confirmar.",7768.26,7771.9,{"idx":11563,"utterance_id":11564,"speaker_name":175,"text":11565,"start_s":11566,"end_s":11567,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1929,"11442","Esa es la canción del Ejército.",7771.94,7772.78,{"idx":11569,"utterance_id":11570,"speaker_name":175,"text":11571,"start_s":11572,"end_s":11573,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1930,"11443","Eso es, Tomás, ya está medio...",7772.82,7774.14,{"idx":11575,"utterance_id":11576,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11577,"start_s":11578,"end_s":11579,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1931,"11444","Muchos años de himnos y canciones en las Fuerzas Armadas.",7775.38,7778.32,{"idx":11581,"utterance_id":11582,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11583,"start_s":11584,"end_s":11585,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1932,"11445","Instrucciones de himnos y canciones.",7778.54,7779.92,{"idx":11587,"utterance_id":11588,"speaker_name":175,"text":11589,"start_s":11590,"end_s":11591,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1933,"11446","Yo era bueno en orden cerrado, hombre.",7780.08,7781.64,{"idx":11593,"utterance_id":11594,"speaker_name":175,"text":11595,"start_s":11596,"end_s":11597,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1934,"11447","¿En serio?",7782.26,7782.76,{"idx":11599,"utterance_id":11600,"speaker_name":175,"text":11601,"start_s":11602,"end_s":11603,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1935,"11448","Era buenísimo.",7782.8,7784.6,{"idx":11605,"utterance_id":11606,"speaker_name":175,"text":11607,"start_s":11608,"end_s":11609,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1936,"11449","¿Sabes que la guarda unida es coordinación motora?",7784.64,7788.3,{"idx":11611,"utterance_id":11612,"speaker_name":69,"text":11613,"start_s":11614,"end_s":11615,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1937,"11450","Parece simple, pero había unos tipos que eran muy malos.",7789.32,7791.94,{"idx":11617,"utterance_id":11618,"speaker_name":69,"text":11619,"start_s":11620,"end_s":11621,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1938,"11451","Después te voy a contar la historia de un teniente.",7792.62,7794.76,{"idx":11623,"utterance_id":11624,"speaker_name":69,"text":11625,"start_s":11626,"end_s":11627,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1939,"11452","El teniente llegó a la guardia y dijo así, hoy vamos a hacer una presentación para el comandante, pero es lo siguiente: si se equivoca el paso en la marcha, no se detiene de marchar.",7795.76,7803.9,{"idx":2748,"utterance_id":11629,"speaker_name":69,"text":11630,"start_s":11631,"end_s":11632,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"11453","Nunca en mi vida oí a un teniente decir eso.",7805.42,7807.58,{"idx":11634,"utterance_id":11635,"speaker_name":69,"text":11636,"start_s":11637,"end_s":11638,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1941,"11454","Cuando fui a ver, él tampoco sabía marchar.",7807.96,7809.7,{"idx":11640,"utterance_id":11641,"speaker_name":69,"text":11642,"start_s":11643,"end_s":11644,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1942,"11455","El teniente marchando era mocoronguísimo.",7812.86,7816.32,{"idx":11646,"utterance_id":11647,"speaker_name":69,"text":11648,"start_s":11649,"end_s":11650,"word_count":240,"indexable":74},1943,"11456","Yo, cuando estaba de servicio en la guardia, era yo quien llevaba la bandera, hombre, para izarla, no sé qué, porque los otros tipos eran muy malos, ¿entiendes?",7816.7,7823.66,{"idx":11652,"utterance_id":11653,"speaker_name":69,"text":11654,"start_s":11655,"end_s":11656,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1944,"11457","No es que yo fuera bueno.",7824.16,7824.82,{"idx":11658,"utterance_id":11659,"speaker_name":69,"text":11660,"start_s":11661,"end_s":11662,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1945,"11458","En fin, Pedrinho BTU mandó la última aquí.",7826.88,7829.88,{"idx":11664,"utterance_id":11665,"speaker_name":69,"text":11666,"start_s":11667,"end_s":11668,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1946,"11459","Tarcísio, ¿cómo quedarán los empleos con la privatización de Sabesp?",7830.6,7834.16,{"idx":11670,"utterance_id":11671,"speaker_name":69,"text":11672,"start_s":11673,"end_s":11674,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1947,"11460","¿Habrá reducción de personal y recorte de los cargos de herencia?",7834.32,7837.18,{"idx":11676,"utterance_id":11677,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11678,"start_s":11679,"end_s":11680,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1948,"11461","Eso es algo interesante.",7838.32,7839.5,{"idx":11682,"utterance_id":11683,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11684,"start_s":11685,"end_s":11686,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1949,"11462","Mira, vamos razonar.",7840.16,7841.52,{"idx":11688,"utterance_id":11689,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11690,"start_s":11691,"end_s":11692,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1950,"11463","Estoy diciendo que con la privatización.",7842.92,7844.86,{"idx":11694,"utterance_id":11695,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11696,"start_s":11697,"end_s":11698,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1951,"11464","voy a invertir más dinero.",7844.9,7846.42,{"idx":11700,"utterance_id":11701,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11702,"start_s":11703,"end_s":11704,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1952,"11465","Voy a hacer más obras, porque eso estará en el plan de negocio.",7846.8,7849,{"idx":11706,"utterance_id":11707,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11708,"start_s":11709,"end_s":11710,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1953,"11466","Entonces voy a necesitar más dinero.",7849.94,7851.56,{"idx":11712,"utterance_id":11713,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11714,"start_s":11715,"end_s":11716,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1954,"11467","¿Cuál es la gran ventaja de Sabesp en una operación de privatización así?",7851.6,7854.66,{"idx":11718,"utterance_id":11719,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11720,"start_s":11721,"end_s":11722,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1955,"11468","es que Sabesp no necesita un socio estratégico operador de saneamiento, porque ya es una operadora.",7855.4,7860.24,{"idx":11724,"utterance_id":11725,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11726,"start_s":11727,"end_s":11728,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},1956,"11469","Y es una operadora de excelencia.",7860.28,7862.24,{"idx":11730,"utterance_id":11731,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11732,"start_s":11733,"end_s":11734,"word_count":246,"indexable":74},1957,"11470","Entonces, lo que Sabesp tendrá que hacer para dar... Nueva Sabesp, Sabesp, nosotros vamos a seguir como accionistas, pero habrá otro control, porque el control será pulverizado.",7862.42,7872.7,{"idx":11736,"utterance_id":11737,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11738,"start_s":11739,"end_s":11740,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1958,"11471","Entonces voy a tener un board y la representación de los accionistas en ese consejo, un presidente del consejo, un CEO de la empresa, etc.",7872.84,7880.62,{"idx":11742,"utterance_id":11743,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11744,"start_s":11745,"end_s":11746,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1959,"11472","¿Qué va a pasar?",7881.64,7882.68,{"idx":11748,"utterance_id":11749,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11750,"start_s":11751,"end_s":11752,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1960,"11473","La empresa tendrá que hacer muchas más inversiones, porque eso estará atado al nuevo plan de negocio.",7883.22,7888,{"idx":11754,"utterance_id":11755,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11756,"start_s":11757,"end_s":11758,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1961,"11474","Son 10.000 millones más en menos tiempo, etc.",7888.04,7889.9,{"idx":11760,"utterance_id":11761,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11762,"start_s":11763,"end_s":11764,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1962,"11475","Tendrán que anticipar el método de universalización, tendrán que hacer todo el Integrity ET, tendrán que hacer todo aquello que ya está previsto de inversión en los municipios, en los 375 municipios.",7890.78,7901.44,{"idx":11766,"utterance_id":11767,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11768,"start_s":11769,"end_s":11770,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1963,"11476","La Sabesp va a tener que no solo mantener el personal, sino contratar más gente.",7901.84,7905.42,{"idx":11772,"utterance_id":11773,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11774,"start_s":11775,"end_s":11776,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1964,"11477","Y además, esos tipos que hoy son... empleados públicos pasarán a ser empleados en una gran corporación privada.",7906.32,7914.3,{"idx":11778,"utterance_id":11779,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11780,"start_s":11781,"end_s":11782,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1965,"11478","Eso cambia la política de bonos, eso cambia la política retributiva para mejor.",7914.7,7918.14,{"idx":11784,"utterance_id":11785,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11786,"start_s":11787,"end_s":11788,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1966,"11479","Y entonces, ¿qué sucede?",7918.74,7919.86,{"idx":11790,"utterance_id":11791,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11792,"start_s":11793,"end_s":11794,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},1967,"11480","Esa empresa va a ganar fuerza, porque cuando yo empiece, incluso por Universaliza SP, que es nuestro programa que tiene como foco estructurar concesiones y PPPs para aquellos municipios no cubiertos por Sabesp.",7920.24,7935.42,{"idx":11796,"utterance_id":11797,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11798,"start_s":11799,"end_s":11800,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1968,"11481","Cuando hagas la licitación, ¿quién va a ganar?",7935.54,7937.4,{"idx":11802,"utterance_id":11803,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11804,"start_s":11805,"end_s":11806,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1969,"11482","La Sabesp, como ganó ahora la licitación de Olímpia.",7937.64,7939.46,{"idx":11808,"utterance_id":11809,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11810,"start_s":11811,"end_s":11812,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1970,"11483","Y mañana tendrás a Sabesp entrando en otros estados, en otras licitaciones de saneamiento de otros lugares y ganando en otros países.",7940,7945.28,{"idx":11814,"utterance_id":11815,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11816,"start_s":11817,"end_s":11818,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1971,"11484","Entonces Sabesp solo va a crecer.",7945.32,7946.6,{"idx":11820,"utterance_id":11821,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11822,"start_s":11823,"end_s":11824,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1972,"11485","Solo va a crecer, no tengo duda de eso.",7947.34,7948.54,{"idx":11826,"utterance_id":11827,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11828,"start_s":11829,"end_s":11830,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1973,"11486","Se va a convertir en una gran corporación global.",7948.62,7952.08,{"idx":11832,"utterance_id":11833,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11834,"start_s":11835,"end_s":11836,"word_count":173,"indexable":74},1974,"11487","Y para mí ese equipo que está allí, que es de buena calidad, es de buena calidad.",7953.4,7957.36,{"idx":11838,"utterance_id":11839,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11840,"start_s":11841,"end_s":11842,"word_count":341,"indexable":74},1975,"11488","Entonces lo que queremos cuando hablamos de privatización, en realidad, es... anticipar la meta de universalización, poner más capital, capital en menos tiempo, llegar más rápido a la... Pero Sabesco es una gran empresa y seguirá siendo una gran empresa, una gran referencia.",7957.78,7972.86,{"idx":11844,"utterance_id":11845,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11846,"start_s":11847,"end_s":11848,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},1976,"11489","Y creo que quien está allí no tiene que tener miedo de eso, porque será aprovechado, bien aprovechado, ganará más y esa empresa crecerá.",7972.9,7978.42,{"idx":11850,"utterance_id":11851,"speaker_name":69,"text":11852,"start_s":11853,"end_s":11854,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1977,"11490","Muy bien.",7979.5,7980.06,{"idx":11856,"utterance_id":11857,"speaker_name":69,"text":11858,"start_s":11859,"end_s":11860,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1978,"11491","Tarcísio, gracias por venir a intercambiar esta idea conmigo, amigo.",7980.46,7983.26,{"idx":11862,"utterance_id":11863,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11864,"start_s":11865,"end_s":11866,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1979,"11492","Yo siempre estoy feliz.",7984.56,7985.24,{"idx":11868,"utterance_id":11869,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11870,"start_s":11871,"end_s":11872,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1980,"11493","Jugué al flipper, tomé Coca-Cola aquí todo el programa.",7985.54,7989.08,{"idx":11874,"utterance_id":11875,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11876,"start_s":11877,"end_s":11878,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1981,"11494","Recibí un regalo.",7989.68,7990.8,{"idx":11880,"utterance_id":11881,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11882,"start_s":11883,"end_s":11884,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1982,"11495","Me regalaron una caja por allá buenísima, llena de cosas.",7991.18,7993.52,{"idx":11886,"utterance_id":11887,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11888,"start_s":11889,"end_s":11890,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1983,"11496","Me regalaron la camiseta de Insider.",7993.58,7994.88,{"idx":11892,"utterance_id":11893,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11894,"start_s":11895,"end_s":11896,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1984,"11497","Vaya, está de diez.",7995.64,7997,{"idx":11898,"utterance_id":11899,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11900,"start_s":11901,"end_s":11902,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1985,"11498","Muy bueno.",7997.4,7997.8,{"idx":11904,"utterance_id":11905,"speaker_name":69,"text":11906,"start_s":11907,"end_s":11908,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1986,"11499","Entonces quedamos de vernos de nuevo dentro de unos seis meses para que me cuentes cómo van las cosas otra vez.",7998.14,8001.78,{"idx":11910,"utterance_id":11911,"speaker_name":69,"text":11912,"start_s":11913,"end_s":11914,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1987,"11500","Perfecto.",8001.82,8002.18,{"idx":11916,"utterance_id":11917,"speaker_name":69,"text":11918,"start_s":11919,"end_s":11920,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1988,"11501","Cuéntame tus redes sociales, o cualquier cosa en internet que te gustaría que la gente echara un vistazo.",8002.48,8008.08,{"idx":11922,"utterance_id":11923,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11924,"start_s":11925,"end_s":11926,"word_count":833,"indexable":74},1989,"11502","Si quien quiera acompañarnos en las redes sociales, yo siempre... usé la red social para divulgar lo que está pasando, para difundirnos, para dar a conocer el trabajo, para anunciar inauguraciones, para... Pues, estamos allí inaugurando una guardería, un poupatempo, una vía secundaria, una carretera, una pavimentación, o hablando de asuntos, hoy firmando el contrato del Rodanel, por ejemplo, firmando el contrato del Rodanel, y esa obra debería comenzar este año, en 2025. Yo quiero... entregar el primer tramo, si todo sale bien, que será el tramo de la Fernão hasta la Dutra, el tramo de la Bandeirantes hasta la Fernão en el 26, o sea, en 26 vamos a tener ese Rodanel funcionando, va a ser genial, y tendremos la oportunidad de que la gente nos acompañe allí, ¿no?",8008.14,8048.34,{"idx":11928,"utterance_id":11929,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11930,"start_s":11931,"end_s":11932,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1990,"11503","Entonces es la arroba Tarcísio GDF, GDF es Gomes de Freitas, ¿no?",8048.38,8053.16,{"idx":11934,"utterance_id":11935,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11936,"start_s":11937,"end_s":11938,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1991,"11504","Las iniciales, entonces, del nombre.",8053.86,8055,{"idx":11940,"utterance_id":11941,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11942,"start_s":11943,"end_s":11944,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1992,"11505","Arroba Tarcísio GDF en Twitter, arroba Tarcísio GDF en Instagram, en Facebook debe ser lo mismo también, ¿no?",8055.58,8061.78,{"idx":11946,"utterance_id":11947,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11948,"start_s":11949,"end_s":11950,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1993,"11506","¿También hay TikTok, no?",8065.96,8067.1,{"idx":11952,"utterance_id":11953,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11954,"start_s":11955,"end_s":11956,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},1994,"11507","En TikTok también está sin el GDF.",8068.52,8070,{"idx":11958,"utterance_id":11959,"speaker_name":175,"text":11960,"start_s":11961,"end_s":11962,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1995,"11508","¿Hace esas cositas así?",8070.12,8071.34,{"idx":11964,"utterance_id":11965,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11966,"start_s":11967,"end_s":11968,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1996,"11509","No iba a funcionar.",8073,8073.7,{"idx":11970,"utterance_id":11971,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11972,"start_s":11973,"end_s":11974,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1997,"11510","No iba a ser bueno, hombre.",8076.14,8077.04,{"idx":11976,"utterance_id":11977,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11978,"start_s":11979,"end_s":11980,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1998,"11511","Además, incluso tengo una limitación.",8079.14,8081.08,{"idx":11982,"utterance_id":11983,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":11984,"start_s":11985,"end_s":11986,"word_count":191,"indexable":74},1999,"11512","Resulta que no jugué al pilla-pilla cuando era pequeño, así que hay ciertas habilidades motoras que no se desarrollaron.",8081.68,8088.38,{"idx":11988,"utterance_id":11989,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":7210,"start_s":11990,"end_s":11991,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},2000,"11513",8088.42,8089.3,{"idx":11993,"utterance_id":11994,"speaker_name":175,"text":11995,"start_s":11996,"end_s":11997,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},2001,"11514","¿Quieres decir que te equivocabas al dar el paso al marchar, hombre?",8089.84,8091.98,{"idx":11999,"utterance_id":12000,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":12001,"start_s":12002,"end_s":12003,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},2002,"11515","No, hasta marchar era tranquilo, ahora... bailar forró, por ejemplo.",8092.46,8096.2,{"idx":12005,"utterance_id":12006,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":12007,"start_s":12008,"end_s":12009,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},2003,"11516","Imposible.",8096.3,8096.82,{"idx":12011,"utterance_id":12012,"speaker_name":69,"text":12013,"start_s":12014,"end_s":12015,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},2004,"11517","Para mí también es imposible.",8099.78,8101.26,{"idx":12017,"utterance_id":12018,"speaker_name":69,"text":12019,"start_s":12020,"end_s":12021,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},2005,"11518","Puedo identificarme.",8101.96,8102.9,{"idx":12023,"utterance_id":12024,"speaker_name":69,"text":12025,"start_s":12026,"end_s":12027,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},2006,"11519","Gracias a todos los que vieron esto también.",8103.7,8105.3,{"idx":12029,"utterance_id":12030,"speaker_name":69,"text":12031,"start_s":12032,"end_s":12033,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},2007,"11520","Sigan a Tarcísio, está aquí abajo.",8105.42,8106.78,{"idx":12035,"utterance_id":12036,"speaker_name":69,"text":12037,"start_s":12038,"end_s":12039,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},2008,"11521","Todo en la descripción para que ustedes lo sepan.",8107.08,8109.08,{"idx":12041,"utterance_id":12042,"speaker_name":69,"text":12043,"start_s":12044,"end_s":12045,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},2009,"11522","Especialmente si eres de São Paulo, es importante.",8109.22,8111.34,{"idx":12047,"utterance_id":12048,"speaker_name":69,"text":12049,"start_s":12050,"end_s":12051,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},2010,"11523","Independientemente del lado político que apoyes, es importante saber lo que está pasando en la ciudad de São Paulo.",8111.84,8116.46,{"idx":12053,"utterance_id":12054,"speaker_name":69,"text":12055,"start_s":12056,"end_s":12057,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},2011,"11524","Es la estrategia que yo uso.",8116.72,8118.38,{"idx":12059,"utterance_id":12060,"speaker_name":69,"text":12061,"start_s":12062,"end_s":12063,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},2012,"11525","Sigo a todos los que son relevantes en el mundo político de alguna manera.",8118.42,8121.98,{"idx":12065,"utterance_id":12066,"speaker_name":69,"text":12067,"start_s":12068,"end_s":12069,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},2013,"11526","Está aquí abajo en la descripción.",8122.5,8123.74,{"idx":12071,"utterance_id":12072,"speaker_name":69,"text":12073,"start_s":12074,"end_s":12075,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},2014,"11527","Pueden seguirnos también aquí en Flow.",8123.78,8125.72,{"idx":12077,"utterance_id":12078,"speaker_name":69,"text":12079,"start_s":12080,"end_s":12081,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},2015,"11528","También está aquí.",8125.88,8126.4,{"idx":12083,"utterance_id":12084,"speaker_name":69,"text":12085,"start_s":12086,"end_s":12087,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},2016,"11529","Pueden entrar en el Discord que va a 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