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lo que usted piensa sobre la COP30, mientras comenzamos.",2.16,10,false,{"idx":14,"utterance_id":15,"speaker_name":8,"text":16,"start_s":17,"end_s":18,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},1,"37164","Y, particularmente hoy, es un momento difícil.",2.2,4.8,7,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":8,"text":23,"start_s":24,"end_s":25,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},2,"37165","Hay un nuevo informe hoy que muestra que no estamos muy encaminados en cuanto a controlar o limitar el cambio climático.",4.84,13.32,22,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":29,"speaker_name":8,"text":30,"start_s":31,"end_s":32,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},3,"37166","Hay mucha nerviosidad, si no miedo, en el mundo, sobre el ritmo rápido del cambio climático.",13.36,24.24,15,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":36,"speaker_name":8,"text":37,"start_s":38,"end_s":39,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},4,"37167","Y estoy preguntando qué piensa usted, al ir a esta COP, cómo vamos...",24.44,40.22,14,{"idx":42,"utterance_id":43,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":46,"start_s":47,"end_s":48,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},5,"37168","Luis Inacio Lula da Silva","luis-inacio-lula-da-silva","¿O cómo va a garantizar al mundo o proyectar ante el mundo que esa misión todavía está en marcha?",41.38,59.32,19,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":52,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":53,"start_s":54,"end_s":55,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},6,"37169","Un desafío contra personas que creían que no podríamos realizar una COP en la Amazonía.",59.38,69.46,16,{"idx":19,"utterance_id":58,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":59,"start_s":60,"end_s":61,"word_count":62,"indexable":12},"37170","Y cuando decidimos realizar la COP aquí en el Estado de Pará, ya conocíamos las condiciones del Estado, ya conocíamos las condiciones de la ciudad.",70.7,79.08,26,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":65,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":66,"start_s":67,"end_s":68,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},8,"37171","Conozco Belém desde 1975.",79.64,83.34,{"idx":70,"utterance_id":71,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":72,"start_s":73,"end_s":74,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},9,"37172","Y decidimos hacerlo aquí porque no queríamos comodidad.",83.54,87.32,12,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},"37173","Queríamos desafíos.",88.6,89.92,{"idx":82,"utterance_id":83,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":84,"start_s":85,"end_s":86,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},11,"37174","Y queríamos que el mundo viniera a conocer la Amazonía.",91.28,94.58,{"idx":75,"utterance_id":88,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":89,"start_s":90,"end_s":91,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},"37175","Una vez di una entrevista a una periodista sueca y ella me dijo que, cuando era pequeña, su padre le había comprado un terreno para ella en la Amazonía.",95.98,106.88,30,{"idx":94,"utterance_id":95,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":96,"start_s":97,"end_s":98,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},13,"37176","No un terreno, creo que era un metro lo que había comprado, que era para ayudar al mantenimiento de la Amazonía.",107.62,113.06,{"idx":40,"utterance_id":100,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":101,"start_s":102,"end_s":103,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},"37177","Y ella ya tenía casi 50 años y nunca había visto ese terreno, nunca había visto el terreno.",113.16,118.32,18,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":106,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":107,"start_s":108,"end_s":109,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},"37178","Entonces, la Amazonía es algo que despierta mucha curiosidad en las personas.",119.48,124.26,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},"37179","Todo el mundo deposita en el mantenimiento de nuestra selva, de nuestra fauna, de nuestras aguas; es decir, una fuerza muy grande, una esperanza muy grande de resultados beneficiosos para el planeta.",125.2,139.72,{"idx":116,"utterance_id":117,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":118,"start_s":119,"end_s":120,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},17,"37180","Nunca olvido que, en los años 1980, yo viajaba por el mundo.",140.84,144.22,{"idx":104,"utterance_id":122,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":123,"start_s":124,"end_s":125,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},"37181","Y la gente decía: hay que cuidar la Amazonía, porque la Amazonía es el pulmón del mundo, es el pulmón del mundo.",144.92,151.5,24,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},"37182","Y en esa época yo decía: pero la deuda externa es nuestra neumonía, así que es necesario ayudarnos a cuidar nuestro pulmón, porque la deuda es impagable.",152.26,160.96,29,{"idx":134,"utterance_id":135,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":136,"start_s":137,"end_s":138,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},20,"37183","Bueno, lo que sucede es que este desafío que asumimos, hoy tengo la certeza... de que vamos a hacer la mejor COP de todas las COP que se han realizado hasta ahora.",162.82,176.48,{"idx":140,"utterance_id":141,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":142,"start_s":143,"end_s":144,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},21,"37184","Ya hicimos el mejor G20, ya hicimos el mejor BRICS y vamos a hacer la mejor COP de todas.",177.88,185.46,{"idx":26,"utterance_id":146,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":147,"start_s":148,"end_s":149,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},"37185","Primero, porque el lugar está maravilloso, está preparado para recibir a quien quiera venir aquí.",186.52,191.68,{"idx":151,"utterance_id":152,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":153,"start_s":154,"end_s":155,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},23,"37186","Segundo, porque la infraestructura es buena, hay un buen sistema de seguridad para todo nuestro personal.",192.7,199.74,{"idx":126,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},"37187","Y tercero, porque el pueblo de Belém es muy alegre, extraordinariamente alegre, y cualquier invitado extranjero se sentirá como en casa aquí en la ciudad de Belém.",200.84,211.76,28,{"idx":163,"utterance_id":164,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":165,"start_s":166,"end_s":167,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},25,"37188","Cuarto, porque tenemos una gastronomía envidiable.",212.88,216.88,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":169,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":170,"start_s":171,"end_s":172,"word_count":173,"indexable":12},"37189","Pienso que los extranjeros que estén aquí, cuando se sienten a la mesa y comiencen a ver la diversidad de nuestra gastronomía, saldrán de aquí muy orgullosos de haber conocido la ciudad, la gente, las instalaciones de la COP, y saldrán de aquí un poco más gordos, porque comerán bien y serán bien atendidos.",218.6,242.36,55,{"idx":175,"utterance_id":176,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":177,"start_s":178,"end_s":179,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},27,"37190","Otra cosa importante es que he dicho que esta COP debe ser la COP de la verdad, porque todo comenzó con Río 92.",244.06,257.36,{"idx":161,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},"37191","Todo empezó.",257.7,258.44,{"idx":132,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},"37192","Desde entonces hemos tenido varios golpes, muchas decisiones se tomaron, muchas decisiones no se ejecutaron.",259.16,265.9,{"idx":92,"utterance_id":191,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":192,"start_s":193,"end_s":194,"word_count":195,"indexable":12},"37193","Hace mucho tiempo que hemos luchado para que se establezca en la ONU una gobernanza capaz de exigir el cumplimiento de la ejecución de las cosas que deliberamos en las cuestiones ambientales, porque si no hay la aprobación de los Estados nacionales, no conseguimos poner nada en práctica.",266.68,285,46,{"idx":197,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},31,"37194","El protocolo de Kioto no se ejecutó, el Acuerdo de París.",285.68,290.5,{"idx":203,"utterance_id":204,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":205,"start_s":206,"end_s":207,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},32,"37195","Mucha gente no está cumpliendo; hay mucha gente que todavía no ha presentado sus LDCs.",290.66,295.92,{"idx":209,"utterance_id":210,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":211,"start_s":212,"end_s":213,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},33,"37196","Entonces esta COP será una COP que vamos a comenzar con la presentación de algunos científicos.",296.72,302.8,{"idx":215,"utterance_id":216,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":217,"start_s":218,"end_s":219,"word_count":220,"indexable":12},34,"37197","Porque una de las cosas que se plantea para nosotros, jefes de Estado, es decirle a la humanidad y a las personas que representamos si creemos o no en la ciencia.",304.52,315.64,35,{"idx":220,"utterance_id":222,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":223,"start_s":224,"end_s":225,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},"37198","Si confiamos o no en aquello que la ciencia prevé para los acontecimientos climáticos del mundo.",316.44,324.84,{"idx":227,"utterance_id":228,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":229,"start_s":230,"end_s":231,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},36,"37199","Yo soy de los que creen.",325.24,326.6,{"idx":233,"utterance_id":234,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":235,"start_s":236,"end_s":237,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},37,"37200","Por lo tanto, si creo, pienso que necesitamos empezar a trabajar para evitar que ocurran los males que se están preconizando.",327.48,336.14,{"idx":239,"utterance_id":240,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":241,"start_s":242,"end_s":243,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},38,"37201","Nosotros, los seres humanos, tenemos la inteligencia para evitar eso.",336.92,340.76,{"idx":245,"utterance_id":246,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":247,"start_s":248,"end_s":249,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},39,"37202","Entonces, esta COP... será denominada la COP de la Verdad.",341.36,346.58,{"idx":251,"utterance_id":252,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":253,"start_s":254,"end_s":255,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},40,"37203","Por eso.",346.64,347.06,{"idx":257,"utterance_id":258,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":259,"start_s":260,"end_s":261,"word_count":262,"indexable":12},41,"37204","Espero; la organizamos por separado, bien acordada: primero una reunión con jefes de Estado, una cumbre de jefes de Estado; luego la cumbre de los negociadores; después la cumbre de la sociedad civil, donde todos participarán, todos darán su opinión, y no queremos que la COP siga siendo... una feria de productos ideológicos climáticos, en la que cada uno ve lo que quiere, cumple lo que quiere, y nadie está obligado a cumplir lo acordado.",348.34,378.56,81,{"idx":264,"utterance_id":265,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":266,"start_s":267,"end_s":268,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},42,"37205","Queremos que sea muy seria y que las cosas que decidamos puedan ser implementadas.",378.96,385.16,{"idx":270,"utterance_id":271,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":272,"start_s":273,"end_s":274,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},43,"37206","Las razones extraordinarias para que se celebre en Brasil.",386.08,389.56,{"idx":276,"utterance_id":277,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":278,"start_s":279,"end_s":280,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},44,"37207","Es decir, además de la Amazonía, tenemos otros cinco biomas esenciales.",390.64,395.52,{"idx":282,"utterance_id":283,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":284,"start_s":285,"end_s":286,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},45,"37208","para la preservación del medio ambiente.",396.3,402.66,{"idx":195,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},"37209","Tenemos el Cerrado, la Mata Atlántica, la Caatinga, el Pantanal y el Pampa.",403.22,410.64,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":294,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":295,"start_s":296,"end_s":297,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},47,"37210","Y, en segundo lugar, Brasil siempre ha sido un actor decisivo en las negociaciones multilaterales.",411.86,419.8,{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},48,"37211","En tercer lugar, Brasil es un país líder en la transición energética.",420.68,425.24,{"idx":305,"utterance_id":306,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":307,"start_s":308,"end_s":309,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},49,"37212","Pocos países en el mundo han obtenido el éxito que Brasil ha logrado en su transición energética; un país que tiene el 87% de su matriz eléctrica renovable.",426.16,437.9,{"idx":311,"utterance_id":312,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":313,"start_s":314,"end_s":315,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},50,"37213","Además de ser un poderoso productor de biocombustibles, de etanol, también estamos entrando en la fase del hidrógeno verde; somos grandes productores de energía eólica y grandes productores de energía solar.",439.06,449.86,{"idx":317,"utterance_id":318,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":319,"start_s":320,"end_s":321,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},51,"37214","Además, tenemos una enorme tradición de participación social para afrontar el cambio climático.",451.62,457.42,{"idx":323,"utterance_id":324,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":325,"start_s":326,"end_s":327,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},52,"37215","En Brasil tenemos una organización de la sociedad civil muy amplia.",459.4,464.34,{"idx":329,"utterance_id":330,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":331,"start_s":332,"end_s":333,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},53,"37216","Ayer visité algunas comunidades en las que, en ese mes, ustedes estuvieron allí.",464.4,469.16,{"idx":335,"utterance_id":336,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":337,"start_s":338,"end_s":339,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},54,"37217","Es decir, eso es la fotografía real de cómo se puede cuidar.",470.02,475.18,{"idx":173,"utterance_id":341,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":342,"start_s":343,"end_s":344,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},"37218","Es decir, para cuidar de la Amazonía no tienes que transformarla en un santuario de la humanidad.",476.28,481.1,{"idx":346,"utterance_id":347,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":348,"start_s":349,"end_s":350,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},56,"37219","Tienes que permitir que las personas que viven allí puedan extraer del bosque aquello que sea el producto que les permita cuidar de su familia, transformar la riqueza de nuestra biodiversidad en productos que puedan ser comercializados al mundo.",482.02,500.9,{"idx":352,"utterance_id":353,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":354,"start_s":355,"end_s":356,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},57,"37220","Y visité cuatro comunidades y me fui muy satisfecho con el resultado, incluso con las áreas de preservación.",502.58,508.74,{"idx":358,"utterance_id":359,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":360,"start_s":361,"end_s":362,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},58,"37221","Dando rentabilidad para que las personas puedan vivir y ser felices, vivir sin la agonía de los grandes centros urbanos.",509.64,517.52,{"idx":364,"utterance_id":365,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":366,"start_s":367,"end_s":368,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},59,"37222","Y ahí la necesidad de los estados.",518.04,519.96,{"idx":370,"utterance_id":371,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":372,"start_s":373,"end_s":374,"word_count":251,"indexable":12},60,"37223","Ustedes vieron ayer: en cada lugar que llegaba llamaba al ministro, tal cosa no está funcionando, tal cosa... Porque muchas veces decidimos algo en Brasilia y hasta que llega aquí abajo pasan meses y meses y meses.",520,533.3,{"idx":376,"utterance_id":377,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":378,"start_s":379,"end_s":380,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},61,"37224","Una ducha, cuando se abre, primero sale agua fría, pero llega caliente.",534.04,538.28,{"idx":382,"utterance_id":383,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":384,"start_s":385,"end_s":386,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},62,"37225","La mayoría de las veces, la política pública debe ser así.",539.5,543.26,{"idx":388,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},63,"37226","Cuando deliberamos allá arriba, tiene que llegar hasta las bases.",543.34,545.94,{"idx":394,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":239,"indexable":12},64,"37227","Entonces, cuando veo a una persona sin dientes, me incomoda, porque creé un programa llamado Brasil Sorridente para no dejar a ningún brasileño sin dientes: cuidar los dientes, hacer tratamiento de conducto, empastes, prótesis, ¿sabes?",547.04,560.36,{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},65,"37228","Hace apenas dos meses fui a buscar 800 ambulancias.",561.7,565.08,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},66,"37229","Con equipamiento dental, para recorrer Brasil cuidando a la gente.",565.84,569.48,{"idx":412,"utterance_id":413,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":414,"start_s":415,"end_s":416,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},67,"37230","Porque si el Estado no está presente, las cosas no suceden.",570.8,575,{"idx":418,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":420,"start_s":421,"end_s":422,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},68,"37231","Además, otra cosa importante es que Brasil se ha convertido en un país de referencia en la lucha contra las desigualdades.",575.34,583.94,{"idx":424,"utterance_id":425,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":426,"start_s":427,"end_s":428,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},69,"37232","Ustedes saben que cuando llegamos aquí, encontramos por primera vez a Brasil con 54 millones de personas pasando hambre.",585.16,592.64,{"idx":430,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},70,"37233","En 2014 acabamos con el hambre en Brasil.",593.34,596.58,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},71,"37234","Luego regresé.",597.36,598.44,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":443,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":444,"start_s":445,"end_s":446,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},72,"37235","En 2023 teníamos 33 mil personas pasando hambre.",598.48,602.44,{"idx":448,"utterance_id":449,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":450,"start_s":451,"end_s":452,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},73,"37236","En dos años y medio, acabamos con el hambre otra vez.",602.94,605.46,{"idx":454,"utterance_id":455,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":456,"start_s":457,"end_s":458,"word_count":239,"indexable":12},74,"37237","Y Brasil ha llevado a cabo un trabajo muy fuerte en política de inclusión social, porque es eso lo que importa para poder dar a las personas la certeza de que son tratadas con respeto, que no son invisibles.",606.06,621.8,{"idx":460,"utterance_id":461,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":462,"start_s":463,"end_s":464,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},75,"37238","La cuestión de que lo estemos viendo.",623.44,625.4,{"idx":466,"utterance_id":467,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":468,"start_s":469,"end_s":470,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},76,"37239","Entonces, esta lucha contra la desigualdad es algo que yo predico.",626.16,629.18,{"idx":472,"utterance_id":473,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":474,"start_s":475,"end_s":476,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},77,"37240","Eso lo llevo en mi alma, porque fue esa lucha contra la desigualdad la que me hizo sobrevivir.",629.3,634.84,{"idx":478,"utterance_id":479,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":480,"start_s":481,"end_s":482,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},78,"37241","Además, la cuestión... Brasil es una especie de país campeón del diálogo en las COP.",635.94,643.42,{"idx":484,"utterance_id":485,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":486,"start_s":487,"end_s":488,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},79,"37242","Desde hace mucho tiempo Brasil es tomado muy en serio en las COP, porque tenemos mucho que mostrar.",644.7,649.52,{"idx":490,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},80,"37243","Y ahora mismo podemos demostrar que tenemos muchas cosas para mostrar.",650.56,654.82,{"idx":262,"utterance_id":496,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":497,"start_s":498,"end_s":499,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},"37244","La deforestación ya cayó un 50%, y un 45% en otro bioma.",654.86,660.02,{"idx":501,"utterance_id":502,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":503,"start_s":504,"end_s":505,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},82,"37245","Estamos haciendo algo que no es solo prohibir o considerar criminal hacerlo; estamos construyendo asociaciones con los alcaldes, estamos dando incentivos.",661.04,670.34,{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},83,"37246","En lugar de decir que el alcalde está equivocado, tenemos que incentivar al alcalde a ser nuestro socio.",670.38,678.58,{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},84,"37247","En la lucha contra la deforestación, en la lucha contra la degradación de las tierras.",679.28,682.94,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":233,"indexable":12},85,"37248","Y, para eso, tienes que tratarlo bien, con cordialidad, y crear una especie de recurso para ayudar a los alcaldes a sentirse haciendo un trabajo placentero y no tener a una entidad federada peleando contra otra.",683.5,697.82,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},86,"37249","Eso es algo muy importante y también vamos fortaleciendo la idea del multilateralismo.",698.46,704.64,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},87,"37250","Es decir, que juntos podemos hacer mucho más.",705.12,707.86,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},88,"37251","que hacerlo solos.",708.4,709.16,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},89,"37252","Bien, estoy dando un panorama general, porque después ustedes harán muchas otras preguntas.",710.52,714.58,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},90,"37253","Estamos interesados aquí en algo nuevo que ustedes deben esperar que consigamos aprobar, que es el famoso programa TFFF, es decir, Bosques Tropicales para Siempre.",715.66,730.62,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},91,"37254","Es decir, en lugar de quedarnos esperando la donación de un país rico, que siempre la darán.",731.56,737.92,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},92,"37255","¿Quién dará aquello que es necesario?",739.44,741.16,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},93,"37256","Porque la deuda ahora ya está en 1 billón 300 mil millones de dólares.",741.94,746.22,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},94,"37257","Es decir, entonces, en lugar de quedarnos esperando la donación, creamos un fondo.",747.12,751.3,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},95,"37258","Un fondo que no será una donación, es un fondo de inversión.",752.5,756.52,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},96,"37259","Y Brasil, cuando anunció este fondo, ya depositó 1.000 millones de dólares.",757.28,762.28,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},97,"37260","Es un fondo que traerá rentabilidad para el inversor y una parte de esa rentabilidad financiará a los países que mantienen su bosque en pie.",763.26,773.58,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},98,"37261","Entonces, es un fondo de ganar-ganar.",774.34,775.86,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},99,"37262","Y esperamos que, cuando terminemos la presentación del TFFF, tengamos muchos países participando.",776.56,786.94,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},100,"37263","También haremos una propuesta para cuadruplicar la cantidad de combustibles sostenibles en el mundo.",787.56,794.92,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},101,"37264","Queremos ver si es posible inaugurar una nueva fase de la COP de implementación, porque es lo siguiente: basta de discusión, ahora es preciso implementar lo que ya hemos discutido.",796,808.92,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},102,"37265","Tenemos que elegir algunas cosas adecuadas para que podamos implementarlas.",809.68,813.56,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},103,"37266","Y entonces nuestra idea es proponer la creación de un Consejo del Medio Ambiente, un órgano vinculado a la ONU con un poco más de fuerza.",814.14,823,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},104,"37267","para que, al tomar una decisión aquí, ese consejo pueda viajar por el mundo acompañando los resultados de las decisiones que hayamos tomado aquí.",823.7,833.64,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},105,"37268","Porque si no, no va a suceder.",833.72,835.06,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},106,"37269","Un país dijo 'no voy a cumplir' y no le pasa nada.",836.1,838.52,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},107,"37270","Entonces la COP va perdiendo el estímulo.",839.62,842.44,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},108,"37271","Dentro de poco la gente ya no querrá participar porque no sirve de nada.",842.98,847.08,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},109,"37272","Después, vamos a proponer... más discusiones, la idea de proponer un mapa de ruta, porque nosotros hablamos, hablamos sobre la reducción de los combustibles fósiles.",847.82,860,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":215,"indexable":12},110,"37273","Entonces, lo que queremos es empezar una discusión para saber si, en una línea de tiempo, cuándo podemos prever que el mundo estará preparado para deshacerse del combustible fósil.",860.74,871.8,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},111,"37274","No es algo fácil ni simple, no es un interruptor que puedas encender, es un proceso.",872.84,878.22,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},112,"37275","Es un proceso de discusión que involucra al gobierno, a empresarios, a trabajadores, a la sociedad civil y a especialistas.",879.04,886.9,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},113,"37276","Y tenemos que empezar, algún día, a entablar esa discusión.",887.34,890.88,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},114,"37277","Porque, si no, vamos a quedarnos solo hablando y hablando y las cosas no sucederán.",891.92,896.4,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},115,"37278","Me siento muy cómodo hablando de esto, porque, en el caso de Brasil, ya tenemos un 30% de etanol mezclado en nuestra gasolina.",896.92,904.2,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},116,"37279","que ya emite menos CO2 que cualquier gasolina del mundo.",904.88,908.52,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},117,"37280","Ya tenemos un 15% de biodiésel mezclado con nuestro diésel, que ya emite menos CO2 que todos los diéseles del mundo.",909.56,919.38,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},118,"37281","Entonces, también queremos convencer a la humanidad de que la cuestión del combustible alternativo es muy importante, porque genera mucho empleo.",919.96,930.4,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":264,"indexable":12},119,"37282","Me imagino... los lugares más pobres del planeta, en América Latina, en África, si optamos por producir combustible renovable, la cantidad de empleo que podemos generar, el dinamismo económico que podemos crear.",930.44,944.16,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},120,"37283","Ahora, esto es muy fácil de decir y difícil de hacer, pero tenemos que empezar a discutirlo.",944.9,950.48,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},121,"37284","Recuerdo que cuando, en 2003... sugerimos empezar a producir biodiésel, mucha gente pensó que nos habíamos vuelto locos.",951.72,960.24,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},122,"37285","No, están locos, esto no va a funcionar, no va a funcionar.",960.32,963.68,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},123,"37286","Yo andaba con varias oleaginosas en la mano: mamona, piomanço, ¿sabe?",964.52,970.3,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},124,"37287","Y, de repente, la sociedad se acomodó en lo que había.",971.6,975.04,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},125,"37288","Hoy tenemos palma, tenemos soja, hoy tenemos etanol de maíz, de caña de azúcar.",975.66,980.72,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},126,"37289","Es decir... Las cosas están ocurriendo de verdad y está comprobado que es posible.",981.58,986.98,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},127,"37290","Está comprobado que es posible.",987.74,989.08,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":220,"indexable":12},128,"37291","Tuve una discusión hace unos días con la Industria Automotriz Brasileña, porque durante mucho tiempo pensé que ellos podrían poner, ya sabe, la cantidad de biodiésel que fuera necesaria en el motor, que no estropeaba el motor.",990.62,1001.22,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},129,"37292","Pero como ellos son dueños de la tecnología del motor, siempre dicen 'no, porque no sé, va a estropear el motor, va a causar problemas'.",1001.98,1008.2,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},130,"37293","Entonces, por casualidad, un empresario compró 100... camiones de Scania.",1009.3,1013.42,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},131,"37294","Y Scania le comunicó: puedes utilizar 5, 10, 15 o 100% de biodiésel que no hay ningún problema.",1014.4,1019.8,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},132,"37295","Dije, caramba, si el tipo de la empresa, el dueño de la empresa, dice que puede, ¿por qué los demás no pueden?",1021.38,1025.8,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},133,"37296","Entonces fui a tener una discusión la semana pasada con Mercedes-Benz.",1026.28,1029.34,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},134,"37297","Mercedes ensambló autobuses y montó algunos camiones que salieron de Rio Grande do Sul, de la fábrica de biodiésel que tiene allí el empresario brasileño, hasta Belém; ya llegaron aquí.",1031.24,1040.52,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},135,"37298","para medir el consumo y la emisión de gases.",1042,1045.9,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":173,"indexable":12},136,"37299","Bueno, entonces le pregunté al empresario, dígame una cosa, si tenemos una mezcla del 15% de biodiésel en el diésel, ¿es necesario que utilicemos el mix tecnológico de Europa, 'Euro 6', 'Euro 7', 'Euro 8'? Cada vez que aumenta un 'Euro', aumenta un 15% el precio del camión o del autobús.",1047.12,1069.8,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},137,"37300","Nosotros, en América del Sur y en Brasil, ¿tenemos que pagar ese precio si tenemos un combustible alternativo?",1070.46,1076.36,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},138,"37301","Él dijo: 'no'.",1076.58,1077.08,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},139,"37302","Brasil no necesita necesariamente seguir el mix de Alemania.",1078.02,1082.1,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},140,"37303","Pero yo dije: 'pero nosotros sí lo seguimos'.",1082.92,1084.54,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},141,"37304","Porque como ustedes son la casa matriz, imponen a sus filiales que los acompañen aquí.",1085.28,1090.04,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},142,"37305","Entonces, les cuento esto para que sepan el espacio que existe.",1091.2,1096.36,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},143,"37306","para que salgamos del comodismo de continuar en lo mismo.",1096.96,1100.16,{"idx":873,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},144,"37307","Lo mismo valdrá para el combustible de los buques en el mar.",1100.94,1103.68,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},145,"37308","Ya tenemos alternativa.",1104.88,1106.2,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},146,"37309","Para el combustible de avión, también ya tenemos alternativa.",1107.08,1109.6,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},147,"37310","Entonces, se dan cuenta de que el mundo está dando un salto de calidad.",1110.2,1113.74,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},148,"37311","Hay gente que no lo cree; por ejemplo, el presidente Trump me dijo que yo no creo en la economía verde.",1114.54,1119.36,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},149,"37312","Él lo va a creer, porque en algún momento lo va a percibir.",1120.28,1123.8,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},150,"37313","que no tenemos mucha alternativa.",1127.58,1129.46,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},151,"37314","En algún momento él lo va a percibir.",1131.12,1132.62,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},152,"37315","He tenido tantas cosas en mi vida en las que no creía y luego llegué a creer.",1133.4,1137.42,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},153,"37316","Cuando les digo que me siento una metamorfosis ambulante, es porque vivo aprendiendo.",1138.78,1143.82,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},154,"37317","No tengo nada definitivo en mi vida.",1145,1147,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},155,"37318","Ah, pero cambiaste de posición.",1147.92,1149.08,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},156,"37319","Cambié porque aprendí.",1149.12,1150.02,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},157,"37320","Qué bueno que tengamos el coraje de cambiar de postura si estamos equivocados.",1150.98,1154.82,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},158,"37321","Entonces, creo que todos los presidentes, incluso Trump, van a cambiar de postura.",1156.2,1161.18,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},159,"37322","Es solo una cuestión de tiempo.",1161.38,1162.72,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},160,"37323","Insistí para que viniera aquí, insistí.",1163.7,1165.34,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},161,"37324","Ve a conocer la Amazonía, amigo.",1165.88,1167.24,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},162,"37325","Vas a notar que nuestro estado de ánimo mejora maravillosamente.",1167.38,1171.5,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},163,"37326","Vas a sentirte de mucho mejor humor.",1172.7,1173.9,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},164,"37327","Entonces, la COP aquí, la COP aquí, empieza mañana.",1174.94,1180.5,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},165,"37328","Creo que será un éxito.",1182.68,1184.04,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},166,"37329","Será un éxito.",1185.7,1186.68,{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},167,"37330","Será una COP placentera.",1187.84,1190.04,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},168,"37331","Espero que ustedes, periodistas, no solo participen en el debate, sino que, por favor, disfruten la gastronomía del Estado de Pará.",1191.54,1200.94,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":8,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},169,"37332","No la van a encontrar en ningún lugar del mundo.",1206.4,1216.64,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":8,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},170,"37333","Y el tiempo está muy apretado y hay muchas cuestiones para preguntarle al señor.",1217.22,1221.68,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":8,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":215,"indexable":12},171,"37334","Pero, en paralelo a la COP, hay un asunto muy importante que está ocurriendo en América del Sur, con el despliegue militar de Estados Unidos en el Mar Caribe y en la parte oriental del Pacífico, Colombia.",1221.76,1236.82,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":8,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},172,"37335","Y estoy un poco sorprendido porque los gobiernos de América Latina se limitaron a condenar el asunto con notas oficiales.",1237.84,1248.92,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":8,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},173,"37336","Creo que América Latina debería tomar una posición más contundente, porque están matando y bombardeando civiles prácticamente en las aguas, en el límite de las aguas de Colombia y Venezuela.",1249.92,1263.72,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":8,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},174,"37337","¿Está de acuerdo con esa postura?",1265.46,1266.32,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},175,"37338","Mire, vamos a tener una reunión de la FELAC el día 10, en Santa Marta, en Colombia.",1266.36,1273.58,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":311,"indexable":12},176,"37339","Incluso... Tengo mucha dificultad para asistir, pero estoy siendo convencido por mi asesoría de que, como Brasil es el país más importante que forma parte de la SELAC, si no voy, será una situación desagradable que el país más importante de la SELAC no comparezca en la SELAC.",1275.28,1296.3,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},177,"37340","Mi asesoría ya se está riendo, porque me están fastidiando desde hace más de un mes.",1298,1302.9,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},178,"37341","Miren, solo tiene sentido la reunión de la CELAC en este momento si vamos a discutir la cuestión de los buques de guerra estadounidenses aquí en los mares de América Latina.",1306.4,1320.16,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},179,"37342","Tuve la oportunidad de hablar con el presidente Trump sobre este asunto, diciéndole que América Latina es una zona de paz.",1321.16,1329.44,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},180,"37343","Aquí no proliferaron armas nucleares.",1331.1,1334.92,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},181,"37344","En el caso de Brasil, es constitucional.",1335.98,1338.44,{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},182,"37345","Y estoy orgulloso de ser constituyente y de haber votado para que no hubiese proliferación de armas atómicas y armas nucleares aquí en Brasil.",1340,1348.46,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},183,"37346","Entonces, somos una zona de paz, no necesitamos guerra aquí.",1349.26,1351.88,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},184,"37347","No necesitamos guerra.",1352.96,1353.7,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},185,"37348","El problema que existe en Bolivia es un problema político que debe resolverse en la política.",1354.74,1359.5,{"idx":1125,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},186,"37349","Le dije al presidente Trump, incluso le pedí: hable con el presidente Bush.",1360.74,1365.46,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":264,"indexable":12},187,"37350","Él le contará lo que hicimos en 2003, cuando hubo una situación en que dieron un golpe a Chávez, que derrocaron a Chávez, luego Chávez volvió, y era necesario hacer un referéndum, había un clima político muy nervioso en Venezuela.",1366.78,1380.58,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},188,"37351","Propuse la creación de un grupo de amigos de Venezuela.",1381.7,1384.72,{"idx":1143,"utterance_id":1144,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1145,"start_s":1146,"end_s":1147,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},189,"37352","En ese grupo de amigos puse a Estados Unidos y puse a España.",1385.62,1389.96,{"idx":1149,"utterance_id":1150,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1151,"start_s":1152,"end_s":1153,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},190,"37353","A España, porque Aznar había sido el primer jefe de gobierno en reconocer al golpista.",1390.66,1395,{"idx":1155,"utterance_id":1156,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1157,"start_s":1158,"end_s":1159,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},191,"37354","a reconocer al empresario que asumió el lugar de Chaves, y porque a Bush se le acusaba de haber dado un golpe en Venezuela.",1395.98,1403.08,{"idx":1161,"utterance_id":1162,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1163,"start_s":1164,"end_s":1165,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},192,"37355","Así que incluí tanto a Estados Unidos como a España, porque necesitaba gente que tuviera la confianza de la oposición.",1404.04,1410.94,{"idx":1167,"utterance_id":1168,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1169,"start_s":1170,"end_s":1171,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},193,"37356","No era un grupo de amigos de Chaves, era un grupo de amigos de la democracia y de Venezuela.",1412.16,1417.38,{"idx":1173,"utterance_id":1174,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1175,"start_s":1176,"end_s":1177,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},194,"37357","Mire, para mi felicidad participó Colin Powell.",1418.24,1420.8,{"idx":1179,"utterance_id":1180,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1181,"start_s":1182,"end_s":1183,"word_count":264,"indexable":12},195,"37358","quien tuvo una contribución muy importante; participó Condoleezza Ruiz, participó la Fundación Jimmy Carter, participó España, participó Brasil, participó Argentina, participó Canadá, e hicimos un acuerdo y se realizó un referéndum revocatorio y salió todo bien.",1422.04,1441.24,{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},196,"37359","El problema es que en algún país la política se hace con un poco más de nerviosismo.",1443.32,1447.88,{"idx":1191,"utterance_id":1192,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1193,"start_s":1194,"end_s":1195,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},197,"37360","La gente habla de polarización, polarización, polarización.",1448.78,1451.8,{"idx":1197,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},198,"37361","En todo país que tiene dos partidos hay polarización.",1452.32,1455.16,{"idx":1203,"utterance_id":1204,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1205,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},199,"37362","Así es en España, así es en Inglaterra, así es en Alemania, así es en Suiza.",1455.78,1459.48,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},200,"37363","En todo lugar donde hay dos partidos hay polarización.",1460.16,1463.3,{"idx":1215,"utterance_id":1216,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1217,"start_s":1218,"end_s":1219,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},201,"37364","Aquí en Brasil hay 30 partidos.",1464.42,1466.54,{"idx":1221,"utterance_id":1222,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1223,"start_s":1224,"end_s":1225,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},202,"37365","Entonces la polarización era menor.",1466.76,1469.94,{"idx":1227,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},203,"37366","Ahora también está muy fuerte; nuestra polarización está muy intensa.",1470.92,1474.86,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},204,"37367","Pero miren qué curioso.",1475.42,1476.58,{"idx":1239,"utterance_id":1240,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1241,"start_s":1242,"end_s":1243,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},205,"37368","Yo gané las elecciones.",1477.9,1478.94,{"idx":1245,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},206,"37369","Más de la mitad de los partidos que no me apoyaron están participando en mi gobierno.",1480.72,1485.88,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},207,"37370","Sin ningún problema.",1488.24,1489.34,{"idx":1257,"utterance_id":1258,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1259,"start_s":1260,"end_s":1261,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},208,"37371","Una cosa es la pelea que usted hace para ganar las elecciones.",1490.48,1493.7,{"idx":1263,"utterance_id":1264,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1265,"start_s":1266,"end_s":1267,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},209,"37372","Es como dos equipos de fútbol.",1495.16,1496.54,{"idx":1269,"utterance_id":1270,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1271,"start_s":1272,"end_s":1273,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},210,"37373","Una cosa son los empujones, los insultos que usted hace dentro del campo.",1497.44,1502.64,{"idx":1275,"utterance_id":1276,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1277,"start_s":1278,"end_s":1279,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},211,"37374","Pero en el momento en que termina el partido, la vida sigue.",1502.68,1505.6,{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},212,"37375","Y yo, para gobernar en Brasil, necesitaba construir la mayoría en el Congreso Nacional.",1506.62,1510.64,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},213,"37376","Y no se puede construir la mayoría con quien no es diputado o con quien no es senador.",1512.76,1517.22,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},214,"37377","Voy a intentar conversar con quien no votó por usted.",1518.24,1520.32,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},215,"37378","Y yo, hoy, tengo muchos partidos.",1522.12,1525.26,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},216,"37379","Solo un partido no está en mi gobierno.",1525.32,1528.38,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},217,"37380","Pero hemos logrado construir de forma extraordinaria esa alianza.",1530.2,1536.12,{"idx":1317,"utterance_id":1318,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1319,"start_s":1320,"end_s":1321,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},218,"37381","Entonces, vamos... intentar, en la FELAC, discutir esa cuestión de Venezuela, discutir la cuestión de la participación de las fuerzas armadas americanas en los mares del Caribe.",1536.32,1547.82,{"idx":1323,"utterance_id":1324,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1325,"start_s":1326,"end_s":1327,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},219,"37382","No es necesario.",1550.54,1551.5,{"idx":1329,"utterance_id":1330,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1331,"start_s":1332,"end_s":1333,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},220,"37383","Es decir, la policía tiene todo el derecho de combatir el narcotráfico.",1552.08,1559.64,{"idx":1335,"utterance_id":1336,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1337,"start_s":1338,"end_s":1339,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},221,"37384","Tiene todo el derecho y la responsabilidad de hacerlo.",1560.58,1562.7,{"idx":1341,"utterance_id":1342,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1343,"start_s":1344,"end_s":1345,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},222,"37385","Y los estadounidenses podrían estar intentando ayudar a esos países en lugar de intentar estar disparando contra ellos.",1564.18,1569.78,{"idx":1347,"utterance_id":1348,"speaker_name":8,"text":1349,"start_s":1350,"end_s":1351,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},223,"37386","Pero, señor, ¿teme una invasión terrestre de las fuerzas estadounidenses?",1570.54,1573.52,{"idx":1353,"utterance_id":1354,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1355,"start_s":1356,"end_s":1357,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},224,"37387","No quiero que lleguemos a una invasión terrestre.",1573.78,1576.98,{"idx":1359,"utterance_id":1360,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1361,"start_s":1362,"end_s":1363,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},225,"37388","Le dije al presidente Trump, y se lo repetiré a usted, que un problema político no se resuelve con armas.",1578.2,1584.34,{"idx":1365,"utterance_id":1366,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1367,"start_s":1368,"end_s":1369,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},226,"37389","Se resuelve con diálogo.",1585.36,1586.68,{"idx":1371,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},227,"37390","Entonces, si falta diálogo, me he puesto a disposición.",1589.08,1592.1,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},228,"37391","En aquello en lo que entiendan que Brasil pueda ayudar, tenemos todo interés en ayudar.",1593.22,1597.28,{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},229,"37392","No deseamos, no queremos conflicto en América del Sur.",1597.8,1602.36,{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1391,"start_s":1392,"end_s":1393,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},230,"37393","El único conflicto que queremos es el verbal, que no hiere ni quita la vida, no derriba puentes, no destruye vías férreas, no destruye casas y además no lastima.",1604.18,1616.42,{"idx":1395,"utterance_id":1396,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1397,"start_s":1398,"end_s":1399,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},231,"37394","Pero en lo demás no necesitamos contencioso en América Latina.",1617.7,1622.84,{"idx":1401,"utterance_id":1402,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1325,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},232,"37395",1623.3,1623.88,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},233,"37396","También conversé con mi amiga Cláudia, presidenta de México, sobre este asunto.",1624.62,1630.48,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},234,"37397","Y quizás vaya a Santa Marta para discutir ese asunto y, quién sabe, tomar una posición en defensa de los países de América Latina.",1631.56,1645.42,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":8,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},235,"37398","Presidente, buenos días una vez más.",1646.92,1648.16,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":8,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},236,"37399","Mi nombre es Maurício, de Associated Press.",1648.2,1649.78,{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":8,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},237,"37400","Gracias por su tiempo.",1649.84,1651.14,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":8,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":370,"indexable":12},238,"37401","Bueno, aquí en Belém hemos visto, al caminar por las calles, una cuestión que tiene que ver con lo que vimos en Río de Janeiro la semana pasada, que es la presencia del crimen organizado; vemos pintadas del Comando Vermelho en diferentes partes de la ciudad, y en el estado de Pará eso ya es un problema.",1652.5,1666.84,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":8,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},239,"37402","También en otras regiones, cerca de Carajás ya hay relatos de este tipo.",1666.92,1671.6,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":8,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},240,"37403","Y cuando discutimos la sostenibilidad en la Amazonía... obviamente, para la población también existe ese otro impacto, que es el impacto del crimen organizado cuando llega para lidiar con esto.",1671.96,1680.32,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":8,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},241,"37404","Entonces, en ese espíritu, quería preguntarle señor qué es posible hacer por la gente de la Amazonía para evitar la propagación de ese crimen organizado por la región.",1680.36,1690.46,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":8,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":346,"indexable":12},242,"37405","Y si, por ejemplo, ahora en Río de Janeiro... La ONU llega a decir que sería importante también una investigación independiente sobre lo que ocurrió allí, si esa presencia de organismos internacionales para lidiar con la criminalidad en Río, en la Amazonía, donde sea, también es algo que usted aprueba para nuestro futuro en este asunto.",1691.16,1708.38,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":8,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},243,"37406","Gracias.",1708.64,1708.94,{"idx":1472,"utterance_id":1473,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1474,"start_s":1475,"end_s":1476,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},244,"37407","Mire, no sé si la prensa publicó esto, pero el 9 de septiembre de este año estuve en Manaus.",1709.54,1718.16,{"idx":1478,"utterance_id":1479,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1480,"start_s":1481,"end_s":1482,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},245,"37408","inaugurando el Centro de Cooperación Policial Internacional, CCPI.",1719.02,1724.66,{"idx":1484,"utterance_id":1485,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1486,"start_s":1487,"end_s":1488,"word_count":276,"indexable":12},246,"37409","Es decir, es un centro coordinado por la Policía Federal Brasileña, desde Manaus, con la participación de policías de todos los estados de América del Sur que tienen la Selva Amazónica, y con la participación también de representantes de policías de los estados brasileños.",1725.8,1741.42,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":1491,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1492,"start_s":1493,"end_s":1494,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},247,"37410","Y además con la participación de Interpol.",1742.48,1744.36,{"idx":1496,"utterance_id":1497,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1498,"start_s":1499,"end_s":1500,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},248,"37411","Es decir, se creó un centro... únicamente para combatir el narcotráfico y el crimen organizado en nuestras fronteras.",1746,1754.84,{"idx":1502,"utterance_id":1503,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1504,"start_s":1505,"end_s":1506,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},249,"37412","Esto está funcionando desde septiembre de 2025.",1755.6,1759.14,{"idx":1508,"utterance_id":1509,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1510,"start_s":1511,"end_s":1512,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},250,"37413","Esto ya está creado.",1761.66,1762.62,{"idx":1514,"utterance_id":1515,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1516,"start_s":1517,"end_s":1518,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},251,"37414","Vea, el crimen organizado hoy forma parte de la realidad política de América Latina y también forma parte de la política de Estados Unidos y de muchos lugares.",1762.72,1774.64,{"idx":1520,"utterance_id":1521,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1522,"start_s":1523,"end_s":1524,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},252,"37415","Unos más sofisticados, otros menos sofisticados.",1774.68,1776.94,{"idx":1526,"utterance_id":1527,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1528,"start_s":1529,"end_s":1530,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},253,"37416","Lo que necesitamos es hacer inversiones, más inteligencia en la policía, para que podamos combatir.",1777.72,1785.26,{"idx":1532,"utterance_id":1533,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1534,"start_s":1535,"end_s":1536,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},254,"37417","En São Paulo, por ejemplo, la Policía Federal descubrió una fábrica que producía más de 3.000 fusiles.",1786.64,1791.76,{"idx":1538,"utterance_id":1539,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1540,"start_s":1541,"end_s":1542,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},255,"37418","Se decía que era importado, que era contrabando.",1793.76,1797,{"idx":1544,"utterance_id":1545,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1546,"start_s":1547,"end_s":1548,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},256,"37419","No, se hacía allí en una fábrica.",1797.08,1798.8,{"idx":1550,"utterance_id":1551,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1552,"start_s":1553,"end_s":1554,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},257,"37420","Se desmanteló una parte en São Paulo, una parte en Minas Gerais, y era quien suministraba para Río de Janeiro.",1799.28,1805.78,{"idx":1556,"utterance_id":1557,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1558,"start_s":1559,"end_s":1560,"word_count":282,"indexable":12},258,"37421","Si usted ve la cantidad de cosas que ya han ocurrido en este poco tiempo que llevamos en el gobierno, desde el punto de vista de la acción contra el crimen organizado, es mucho lo que ya hemos hecho: muchas detenciones, muchas cosas que ya hemos logrado destruir en este país.",1806.5,1822.2,{"idx":1562,"utterance_id":1563,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1564,"start_s":1565,"end_s":1566,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},259,"37422","Entonces, si la policía tiene los incentivos necesarios, enviamos una PEC, una enmienda constitucional al Congreso Nacional brasileño.",1823.2,1832.46,{"idx":1568,"utterance_id":1569,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1570,"start_s":1571,"end_s":1572,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},260,"37423","para que podamos definir cómo el Estado, cómo la Unión puede participar junto con los Estados sin interferir en la autonomía del Estado.",1833.32,1846.14,{"idx":1574,"utterance_id":1575,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1576,"start_s":1577,"end_s":1578,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},261,"37424","Porque siempre hay un 'acelerma' de que la Unión no puede meterse porque va a lesionar la autonomía del Estado.",1846.78,1851.52,{"idx":1580,"utterance_id":1581,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1582,"start_s":1583,"end_s":1584,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},262,"37425","Entonces queremos saber cómo la Unión puede participar en el combate al crimen organizado sin interferir en la política de los Estados.",1852.08,1860.24,{"idx":1586,"utterance_id":1587,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1588,"start_s":1589,"end_s":1590,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},263,"37426","Por eso enviamos una PEC.",1860.72,1862.1,{"idx":1592,"utterance_id":1593,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1594,"start_s":1595,"end_s":1596,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},264,"37427","al Congreso Nacional, que posiblemente sea votada esta misma semana.",1862.78,1867.26,{"idx":1598,"utterance_id":1599,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1600,"start_s":1601,"end_s":1602,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},265,"37428","Cuando esta PEC sea aprobada, vamos a tener más facilidad.",1868.58,1872.32,{"idx":1604,"utterance_id":1605,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1606,"start_s":1607,"end_s":1608,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},266,"37429","Y, al mismo tiempo, enviamos una ley, esta semana, una ley antifacción.",1872.84,1877.86,{"idx":1610,"utterance_id":1611,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1612,"start_s":1613,"end_s":1614,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},267,"37430","Es una ley que aumenta la pena, que aumenta el castigo para que podamos combatir las facciones organizadas que existen en São Paulo, en Río de Janeiro y en Brasil.",1878.52,1889,{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1618,"start_s":1619,"end_s":1620,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},268,"37431","Existe en todos los estados hoy.",1889.14,1890.46,{"idx":1622,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},269,"37432","Entonces, estamos trabajando con mucha fuerza para que la sociedad pueda vivir en paz y con mucha tranquilidad.",1891.28,1902.12,{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},270,"37433","¿Qué sugirió?",1908.92,1909.42,{"idx":1634,"utterance_id":1635,"speaker_name":8,"text":1636,"start_s":1637,"end_s":1638,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},271,"37434","Una investigación independiente sobre lo que sea posible.",1912,1913.88,{"idx":1640,"utterance_id":1641,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1642,"start_s":1643,"end_s":1644,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},272,"37435","Estamos intentando esa investigación.",1914.04,1915.86,{"idx":1646,"utterance_id":1647,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1648,"start_s":1649,"end_s":1650,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},273,"37436","Incluso estamos intentando ver si es posible que los forenses de la Policía Federal participen en el proceso.",1916.46,1923.46,{"idx":1652,"utterance_id":1653,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1654,"start_s":1655,"end_s":1656,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},274,"37437","de investigación de la muerte, cómo se llevó a cabo, porque hay muchos discursos, muchas cosas.",1924.58,1930.46,{"idx":1658,"utterance_id":1659,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1660,"start_s":1661,"end_s":1662,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},275,"37438","Las personas fueron enterradas sin que hubiera una pericia de otro órgano.",1931.08,1937.76,{"idx":1664,"utterance_id":1665,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1666,"start_s":1667,"end_s":1668,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},276,"37439","Entonces, estamos trabajando en eso: la Policía Federal está trabajando en eso, el Ministerio de Justicia está trabajando en eso, el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal) está trabajando en eso.",1938.3,1946.52,{"idx":1670,"utterance_id":1671,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1672,"start_s":1673,"end_s":1674,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},277,"37440","Veremos si conseguimos hacer esa investigación, porque la decisión del juez era una orden de detención.",1947.04,1953.1,{"idx":1676,"utterance_id":1677,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1678,"start_s":1679,"end_s":1680,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},278,"37441","No había una orden de matar y se produjo la matanza.",1953.8,1955.84,{"idx":1682,"utterance_id":1683,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1684,"start_s":1685,"end_s":1686,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},279,"37442","Creo que es importante verificar en qué condiciones se dio.",1956.8,1960.36,{"idx":1688,"utterance_id":1689,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1690,"start_s":1691,"end_s":1692,"word_count":233,"indexable":12},280,"37443","Porque hasta ahora tenemos una versión contada por la policía, contada por el gobierno del Estado, y hay gente que quiere saber si todo eso sucedió tal como dicen, si hubo algo más delicado en la operación.",1960.96,1977.14,{"idx":1694,"utterance_id":1695,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1696,"start_s":1697,"end_s":1698,"word_count":227,"indexable":12},281,"37444","El dato concreto es que la operación... Desde el punto de vista de la cantidad de muertes, la gente puede considerarla un éxito, pero desde el punto de vista de la acción del Estado, creo que fue desastrosa.",1978.48,1989.88,{"idx":1700,"utterance_id":1701,"speaker_name":8,"text":1702,"start_s":1703,"end_s":1704,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},282,"37445","Buenos días, señor.",1992.84,1993.34,{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":8,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},283,"37446","Presidente.",1993.38,1993.82,{"idx":1712,"utterance_id":1713,"speaker_name":8,"text":1714,"start_s":1715,"end_s":1716,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},284,"37447","Miguel Mêncio, de la Agencia Lusa.",1995.26,1997.38,{"idx":194,"utterance_id":1718,"speaker_name":8,"text":1719,"start_s":1720,"end_s":1721,"word_count":215,"indexable":12},"37448","Quería solo preguntar si usted cree que la no asistencia de los jefes de Estado de China, Estados Unidos e India, los tres países que más contaminan en el mundo, si eso no puede impactar negativamente?",1997.58,2010.16,{"idx":1723,"utterance_id":1724,"speaker_name":8,"text":1725,"start_s":1726,"end_s":1727,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},286,"37449","¿las decisiones en la cumbre de líderes?",2010.58,2012.34,{"idx":1729,"utterance_id":1730,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1731,"start_s":1732,"end_s":1733,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},287,"37450","Mire, participo en muchas COP y ni en todas las COP están todos los líderes principales.",2014.86,2025.76,{"idx":1735,"utterance_id":1736,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1737,"start_s":1738,"end_s":1739,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},288,"37451","Yo, personalmente, invité a Xi Jinping; él enviará al vicepresidente, su primer ministro vendrá, hay incluso una reunión bilateral conmigo.",2027.18,2040.5,{"idx":1741,"utterance_id":1742,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1743,"start_s":1744,"end_s":1745,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},289,"37452","Estados Unidos, creo que no va a enviar ni siquiera representación.",2042.36,2045.08,{"idx":1747,"utterance_id":1748,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1749,"start_s":1750,"end_s":1751,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},290,"37453","Pero, el resto de los jefes de Estado, tenemos su participación; solo para que se haga una idea, tenemos 53 jefes de Estado que van a participar.",2046.36,2057.5,{"idx":1753,"utterance_id":1754,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1755,"start_s":1756,"end_s":1757,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},291,"37454","Además de jefes de Estado, tenemos 46 ministros que participarán y alrededor de 19 organismos internacionales.",2059.12,2073.5,{"idx":1759,"utterance_id":1760,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1761,"start_s":1762,"end_s":1763,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},292,"37455","además de varios embajadores que vienen a representar su país.",2074.26,2076.9,{"idx":1765,"utterance_id":1766,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1767,"start_s":1768,"end_s":1769,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},293,"37456","Es una representación fuerte.",2077.52,2078.96,{"idx":1771,"utterance_id":1772,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1773,"start_s":1774,"end_s":1775,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},294,"37457","Y esta es una COP diferente de las otras, porque en las otras todos estaban juntos; yo participé en la apertura de algunas, casi no había jefes de Estado en la apertura.",2080.52,2091.98,{"idx":1777,"utterance_id":1778,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1779,"start_s":1780,"end_s":1781,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},295,"37458","Esta decidimos hacerla como una cumbre, una COP de cúpula, porque queremos dar un espacio privilegiado para que los líderes de los países discutan.",2092.8,2103.24,{"idx":1783,"utterance_id":1784,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1785,"start_s":1786,"end_s":1787,"word_count":239,"indexable":12},296,"37459","Entonces, lo que se va a decidir en esta COP de Cúpula es que, al terminar, tendremos que decirle a la COP que se celebrará a partir del 10 de abril qué estamos dispuestos a hacer.",2105.58,2122.76,{"idx":1789,"utterance_id":1790,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1791,"start_s":1792,"end_s":1793,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},297,"37460","Podremos estimular o podremos desalentar.",2124.88,2128.36,{"idx":1795,"utterance_id":1796,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1797,"start_s":1798,"end_s":1799,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},298,"37461","Podemos, ya sabe, animar a la gente o podemos desanimarla.",2129.52,2133.92,{"idx":1801,"utterance_id":1802,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1803,"start_s":1804,"end_s":1805,"word_count":270,"indexable":12},299,"37462","Y creo que en la cumbre que se reunirá debemos transmitir a la sociedad de todo el mundo que es verdad que queremos enfrentar la cuestión del clima con la responsabilidad y la seriedad que merece.",2135.04,2150.02,{"idx":1807,"utterance_id":1808,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1809,"start_s":1810,"end_s":1811,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},300,"37463","Ahora, puede estar seguro de que la mayoría de los países estarán presentes y China estará presente con su primer ministro.",2151.76,2161.08,{"idx":1813,"utterance_id":1814,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1815,"start_s":1816,"end_s":1817,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},301,"37464","Ya he participado en otras COPs con China bajo Xi Jinping.",2163.46,2166.94,{"idx":1819,"utterance_id":1820,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1821,"start_s":1822,"end_s":1823,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},302,"37465","Conozco sus posiciones.",2168.74,2170.44,{"idx":1825,"utterance_id":1826,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1827,"start_s":1828,"end_s":1829,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},303,"37466","Ellos ya han declarado su defensa.",2170.68,2173.02,{"idx":1831,"utterance_id":1832,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1833,"start_s":1834,"end_s":1835,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},304,"37467","Y los chinos están dispuestos, porque también son quienes más han avanzado en la cuestión de las alternativas energéticas.",2173.82,2182.46,{"idx":1837,"utterance_id":1838,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1839,"start_s":1840,"end_s":1841,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},305,"37468","Ellos han dado una lección al mundo sobre avances tecnológicos para combatir la cuestión climática.",2183.1,2191.44,{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":8,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},306,"37469","Señor presidente, muy buenos días.",2194.92,2196.24,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":8,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},307,"37470","Soy Wu Hao de la agencia de noticias Xinhua.",2196.64,2199.08,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":8,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},308,"37471","El año pasado, Brasil y China anunciaron la construcción conjunta de la comunidad China-Brasil con un futuro compartido para un mundo más justo y un planeta más sostenible.",2200.24,2211.72,{"idx":1861,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":8,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},309,"37472","Y cómo usted, señor presidente, evalúa el papel de los países del sur global representados por Brasil y China en la gobernanza climática?",2212.44,2220.74,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":8,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},310,"37473","Y cómo usted... responde a las críticas de que la cooperación agrícola de Brasil con China o con cualquier otro país estaría perjudicando el ecosistema brasileño?",2221.28,2233.28,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":8,"text":1468,"start_s":1875,"end_s":1876,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},311,"37474",2233.62,2233.96,{"idx":1878,"utterance_id":1879,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1880,"start_s":1881,"end_s":1882,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},312,"37475","Mire, Brasil es un país que no tiene ni quiere tener conflictos con ningún país del mundo.",2235.78,2245.6,{"idx":1884,"utterance_id":1885,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1886,"start_s":1887,"end_s":1888,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},313,"37476","Brasil tiene hoy en China a su socio comercial más importante, y todavía estamos muy lejos de alcanzar el potencial de ambos países.",2247.36,2261.7,{"idx":1890,"utterance_id":1891,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1892,"start_s":1893,"end_s":1894,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},314,"37477","Brasil tiene una buena relación con los Estados Unidos.",2263,2265.64,{"idx":1896,"utterance_id":1897,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1898,"start_s":1899,"end_s":1900,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},315,"37478","Nuestro flujo de balanza comercial fue de 87 mil millones el año pasado, prácticamente la mitad de lo que Brasil tiene con China.",2266.54,2274.8,{"idx":1902,"utterance_id":1903,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1904,"start_s":1905,"end_s":1906,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},316,"37479","Y Brasil ha ido intensificando su relación con China.",2276.32,2280.14,{"idx":1908,"utterance_id":1909,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1910,"start_s":1911,"end_s":1912,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},317,"37480","Ha crecido no solo en la exportación de commodities, de soja, de maíz, de hierro.",2281.04,2286.58,{"idx":1914,"utterance_id":1915,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1916,"start_s":1917,"end_s":1918,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},318,"37481","Queremos crecer con China en la implantación de empresas chinas con sus avances tecnológicos en Brasil.",2287.9,2294.92,{"idx":1920,"utterance_id":1921,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1922,"start_s":1923,"end_s":1924,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},319,"37482","Por eso la Beadeal ya se ha instalado en Bahía y comenzará a producir autopartes allí a partir del próximo año, en 2027.",2295.66,2308.56,{"idx":1926,"utterance_id":1927,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1928,"start_s":1929,"end_s":1930,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},320,"37483","Queremos otras empresas chinas trabajando en Brasil.",2309.6,2312.66,{"idx":1932,"utterance_id":1933,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1934,"start_s":1935,"end_s":1936,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},321,"37484","Y queremos fortalecer mucho nuestra relación con China.",2313.62,2316.7,{"idx":1938,"utterance_id":1939,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1940,"start_s":1941,"end_s":1942,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},322,"37485","China es un socio confiable, ha mostrado mucha lealtad en su relación con Brasil.",2317.66,2323.74,{"idx":1944,"utterance_id":1945,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1946,"start_s":1947,"end_s":1948,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},323,"37486","Y, obviamente, ni China ni Brasil nos oponemos a que cualquier país pueda imponer aranceles a nuestros productos.",2325.28,2332.64,{"idx":1950,"utterance_id":1951,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1952,"start_s":1953,"end_s":1954,"word_count":245,"indexable":12},324,"37487","En la medida en que un país tiene que defender su industria y su empleo, es normal que intente establecer una imposición arancelaria para crear dificultades a la entrada de un producto extranjero en Brasil.",2333.4,2345.02,{"idx":1956,"utterance_id":1957,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1958,"start_s":1959,"end_s":1960,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},325,"37488","La imposición aplicada respecto a Brasil no se basó en datos verídicos, se basó en datos irreales.",2347.02,2355.8,{"idx":1962,"utterance_id":1963,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1964,"start_s":1965,"end_s":1966,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},326,"37489","Tuve la oportunidad de entregar al presidente Trump el material por escrito, mostrando el error que había ocurrido.",2356.52,2363.52,{"idx":1968,"utterance_id":1969,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1970,"start_s":1971,"end_s":1972,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},327,"37490","Y, obviamente, nuestra relación con China ha crecido.",2364.7,2367.44,{"idx":1974,"utterance_id":1975,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1976,"start_s":1977,"end_s":1978,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},328,"37491","Y va a crecer, va a crecer nuestra relación en la cuestión espacial, va a crecer en la tecnológica y en la digital.",2369.38,2379.94,{"idx":1980,"utterance_id":1981,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1982,"start_s":1983,"end_s":1984,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},329,"37492","Queremos aprovechar a todos los países que quieran invertir en Brasil.",2381.12,2385.5,{"idx":1986,"utterance_id":1987,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1988,"start_s":1989,"end_s":1990,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},330,"37493","Lo que ofrecemos es, ya sabe, seguridad política, seguridad social, estabilidad jurídica.",2386.4,2395.52,{"idx":1992,"utterance_id":1993,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1994,"start_s":1995,"end_s":1996,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},331,"37494","para que las personas realicen las inversiones en Brasil que deseen.",2396.18,2398.98,{"idx":1998,"utterance_id":1999,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2000,"start_s":2001,"end_s":2002,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},332,"37495","Y puede tener la seguridad de que la asociación entre Brasil y China seguirá creciendo.",2399.8,2404.36,{"idx":2004,"utterance_id":2005,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2006,"start_s":2007,"end_s":2008,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},333,"37496","Yo ahora fui a participar; es la primera vez que un presidente latinoamericano es invitado a ir a la ASEAN.",2404.86,2410.64,{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},334,"37497","Fui a la ASEAN a tener una reunión con los diez países, ahora once, porque ingresó Timor-Leste; Timor-Leste entró en la ASEAN.",2411.48,2420.98,{"idx":2016,"utterance_id":2017,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2018,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},335,"37498","Y Brasil, nosotros ya... En dos años y medio, ya hemos aumentado casi 500 mercados para los productos brasileños.",2422.18,2431.14,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},336,"37499","Entonces, si un país va a crear dificultades para vender un producto brasileño, voy a buscar otro país que lo compre.",2432.18,2438.56,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},337,"37500","No me voy a quedar llorando, no me voy a lamentar.",2439.24,2442.44,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},338,"37501","Voy a intentar buscar otro país que lo compre.",2443.4,2445.4,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},339,"37502","Así es la lógica comercial.",2446.28,2447.86,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},340,"37503","Como soy defensor del multilateralismo, creo que cuanto más... mercados abramos.",2449.44,2457.06,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},341,"37504","Cuantos más países contactemos y cuanto más podamos diversificar lo que vendemos y lo que compramos, mejor para el comercio brasileño.",2458.04,2468.66,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},342,"37505","Por eso le digo que la relación Brasil-China es muy buena, muy buena, y la tendencia es que mejore.",2469.68,2479.28,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":8,"text":1702,"start_s":2066,"end_s":2067,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},343,"37506",2482.54,2483.02,{"idx":2069,"utterance_id":2070,"speaker_name":8,"text":1708,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},344,"37507",2483.08,2483.52,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":8,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},345,"37508","Ana Pelegrini, de la agencia France Press.",2483.74,2485.46,{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":8,"text":1432,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},346,"37509",2485.68,2486.76,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":8,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":227,"indexable":12},347,"37510","Usted se reunió hace un momento, como estaba diciendo, con el presidente Trump en Kuala Lumpur y se mostró muy optimista en que los aranceles podrían quizás ser levantados en los próximos días o que se encontrara una solución.",2487.46,2499.88,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":8,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},348,"37511","¿Aún hoy, cree que la solución está muy cerca?",2500.52,2503.08,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":8,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},349,"37512","¿Y cuál será ese calendario de reuniones que estamos esperando?",2503.56,2507.44,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":8,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},350,"37513","¿Y si usted estaría dispuesto a ir pronto a Estados Unidos, o Trump podría venir a Brasil?",2507.62,2512.16,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":8,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},351,"37514","Brasil.",2512.36,2512.54,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":8,"text":1468,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},352,"37515",2512.58,2513,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},353,"37516","Mire, yo no... Salí de la reunión con el presidente Trump convencido de que vamos a establecer un acuerdo.",2514.24,2523.8,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},354,"37517","Al terminar la reunión con el presidente Trump, le dije que era muy importante que nuestros negociadores empezaran a conversar pronto.",2525.2,2533.3,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},355,"37518","Sugerí que fuera esa misma noche.",2534.62,2536.6,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},356,"37519","No fue esa misma noche, pero fue al día siguiente por la mañana a las ocho.",2538.18,2541.42,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},357,"37520","Hubo una primera reunión.",2543.32,2544.42,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":227,"indexable":12},358,"37521","Y ahora mi ministro de Relaciones Exteriores, mi vicepresidente de la República y mi ministro de Hacienda están preparados para fijar una nueva reunión y, si es el caso, ir a Washington para negociar.",2545.38,2557.74,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},359,"37522","Y le dije al presidente Trump con todas las letras y lo entregué por escrito, ¿sabe?",2559.24,2565.42,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},360,"37523","Para que no quedara dicho eso de que las palabras se las lleva el viento.",2566.08,2570.14,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},361,"37524","Lo di por escrito.",2570.96,2571.98,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},362,"37525","Queremos que él... renuncie a las sanciones contra nuestros ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y queremos que los aranceles sean reducidos a cero para que podamos empezar a discutir desde cero.",2573.14,2585.9,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},363,"37526","Ahí sí usted empezará la negociación.",2587.38,2589.1,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},364,"37527","Le dije que reconozco que un país puede imponer aranceles a otro.",2590.08,2593.14,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},365,"37528","Estoy cansado de firmar cosas que imponen aranceles a otros países.",2594.68,2597.46,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},366,"37529","Pero dentro del límite establecido por la OMC, por ejemplo, el tope máximo para cobrar un impuesto a un país es del 35%.",2598.52,2609.8,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},367,"37530","Llegó a poner el 50% basándose en una falsedad.",2611.82,2615.82,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2212,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},368,"37531","Entonces, eso está dicho.",2616.6,2618.38,{"idx":2216,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":251,"indexable":12},369,"37532","Yo, cuando termine la COP, si no se ha fijado la reunión entre mis negociadores y los negociadores de Trump, llamaré a Trump otra vez, porque él tiene mi teléfono y yo tengo el suyo.",2619.62,2635.18,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},370,"37533","Entonces, es lo siguiente: mi interés es negociar.",2636.48,2638.9,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":317,"indexable":12},371,"37534","Así que, al terminar la COP, si no se ha celebrado la reunión, no tendré ningún problema en llamar al presidente Trump, no tendré ningún problema en ir a Washington, no tendré ningún problema en ir a Nueva York y espero que él tampoco tenga ningún problema en venir a Brasil.",2639.9,2653.22,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},372,"37535","Somos las dos mayores democracias del mundo occidental.",2654.8,2658.22,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},373,"37536","Y, por tanto, cuanto más respeto nos mostremos, cuanta más cordialidad transmitamos.",2659.56,2666.32,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},374,"37537","para el mundo, será mejor para Estados Unidos y para Brasil.",2666.9,2670.74,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},375,"37538","Así es como hago política.",2672.92,2675.14,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":8,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},376,"37539","No de las exhibiciones o de las vacaciones que vimos en el pasado, sino de una más seria, hablando de debate y política.",2685.34,2710.3,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":8,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},377,"37540","Actualmente, tenemos líderes financieros, ejecutivos corporativos, reguladores en São Paulo, alejados de las negociaciones, pero muchos de los actores aquí en Belém esperan que esos mismos intereses financieros financien lo que se ha hecho.",2710.94,2729.8,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":8,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},378,"37541","Entonces, mi pregunta para usted es: ¿qué espera que haga la COP?",2730.2,2745.34,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},379,"37542","No creo que esa noción financiera para la COP provenga de un banquero.",2745.42,2751.72,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},380,"37543","No lo creo.",2754.18,2754.8,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},381,"37544","Por eso estamos proponiendo... Una cosa que debemos tener clara es lo siguiente: queremos salir de la era... de la donación.",2757.74,2768.24,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},382,"37545","La donación es muy importante, pero siempre está muy por debajo de lo que la persona necesita.",2771.76,2777.18,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},383,"37546","Muy por debajo.",2779.14,2779.6,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},384,"37547","Mire, participé en la COP 15 en 2009, en Copenhague.",2780.02,2785.86,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},385,"37548","En esa COP, el mundo rico prometió 100 mil millones por año para ayudar a los países que tienen bosques en pie.",2787.76,2795.32,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},386,"37549","Hasta hoy ese dinero no ha salido.",2796.86,2798.3,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},387,"37550","Ahora, la deuda... ya es de 1 billón 300 mil millones de dólares.",2800.34,2805.64,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},388,"37551","Entonces, si no dieron 100 mil millones, ¿van a dar 1 billón?",2807.34,2810.24,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},389,"37552","Entonces, ¿cuál es la gran novedad de esta COP?",2812.68,2815.14,{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},390,"37553","Es que hemos creado un fondo para bosques tropicales permanente.",2816.16,2821,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},391,"37554","El TFFFF.",2821.58,2823.56,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},392,"37555","Es decir, que no será una donación, será una inversión.",2825.22,2828.18,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},393,"37556","Un fondo de pensiones puede invertir, un empresario puede invertir.",2829.18,2833,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},394,"37557","Un gobierno puede invertir y ese dinero tendrá una rentabilidad para él y una rentabilidad para ayudar a financiar al país que tiene bosques en pie.",2833.68,2846.06,{"idx":2372,"utterance_id":2373,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2374,"start_s":2375,"end_s":2376,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},395,"37558","No será una donación.",2846.62,2847.5,{"idx":2378,"utterance_id":2379,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2380,"start_s":2381,"end_s":2382,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},396,"37559","Y este fondo será administrado posiblemente por el Banco Mundial y por otros bancos.",2848.72,2854.04,{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},397,"37560","Es importante que discutamos la necesidad de que más bancos se encarguen de ese dinero.",2856.08,2860.08,{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},398,"37561","La idea no es que lo consigas todo mañana, todo en una semana.",2861.5,2865.02,{"idx":2396,"utterance_id":2397,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2398,"start_s":2399,"end_s":2400,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},399,"37562","La idea es que se está lanzando un programa nuevo en el que las personas pueden ganar dinero honestamente, invirtiendo de forma honesta y ganando solo lo necesario para que una parte de esa ganancia se destine al pago del mantenimiento del bosque en pie.",2865.54,2884.38,{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},400,"37563","Y cuando digo para el mantenimiento del bosque en pie, es un fondo para que puedas pagar a las personas que están allí cuidando.",2886.28,2893.26,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},401,"37564","Tienes que llevar energía a esa gente, tienes que llevar escuelas, tienes que llevar puestos de salud, tienes que llevar transporte.",2893.3,2903.94,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},402,"37565","Si quieren que las personas sigan cuidando del bosque, y lo tienen aquí en Pará, ustedes podrán visitar un centro de bioeconomía.",2904.98,2914.84,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},403,"37566","Creo que será el primero del mundo.",2916.82,2918.3,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},404,"37567","Y esta puede ser una nueva industria mundial.",2920.18,2923.24,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},405,"37568","que surge a partir de la COP30.",2924.24,2925.46,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},406,"37569","O sea, explorar la mega diversidad que tiene la Amazonía, nuestra riqueza, para saber qué se puede producir con la grandiosidad de nuestro bosque.",2928.54,2943.12,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},407,"37570","Y así se puede tener una bioeconomía muy fuerte.",2944.32,2947.06,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},408,"37571","Verá, si usted camina, mucha gente produce medicamentos a partir de muchas plantas, muchas cosas para la belleza, muchas cosas para la salud.",2948.08,2956.46,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},409,"37572","Es una riqueza con la que la industria farmacéutica puede crecer muchísimo si lo tomamos en serio.",2956.5,2963.14,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2464,"start_s":2465,"end_s":2466,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},410,"37573","Entonces, tenemos que tomarlo en serio.",2964.3,2965.52,{"idx":2468,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2470,"start_s":2471,"end_s":2472,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},411,"37574","Ya no necesitamos destruir para crecer.",2965.56,2969.16,{"idx":2474,"utterance_id":2475,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2476,"start_s":2477,"end_s":2478,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},412,"37575","Podemos seguir generando empleo manteniendo el bosque.",2969.2,2971.24,{"idx":2480,"utterance_id":2481,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2482,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},413,"37576","En vez de que un hombre corte un árbol para poder venderlo y ganar dinero, él cuidará de esos árboles en pie.",2971.9,2977.2,{"idx":2486,"utterance_id":2487,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2488,"start_s":2489,"end_s":2490,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},414,"37577","Y, por eso, recibirá dinero para sobrevivir.",2977.84,2981.88,{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2494,"start_s":2495,"end_s":2496,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},415,"37578","Y además podrá extraer de esa área cosas que pueden producir artesanías, pueden producir medicamentos, pueden producir productos fáciles, pueden producir productos de belleza, ¿sabe?",2982.84,2994,{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},416,"37579","Cualquier cosa.",2994.04,2994.7,{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2506,"start_s":2507,"end_s":2508,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},417,"37580","Es ese nuevo mundo que queremos crear.",2996.08,2997.98,{"idx":2510,"utterance_id":2511,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2506,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},418,"37581",2998.02,3000.84,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},419,"37582","Y por eso ya no quiero hablar más de la palabra donación.",3001.38,3003.62,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},420,"37583","Ah, voy a dar 50 millones de dólares, está bien dar 50 millones de dólares, pero no es nada.",3006.48,3010.12,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},421,"37584","Ah, voy a dar 30 millones de dólares, está bien, lo agradezco, pero no es nada.",3012.06,3016.66,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},422,"37585","Porque hacen falta miles de millones para que podamos resolver nuestro problema.",3017.82,3021.68,{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},423,"37586","Y no es resolver el problema del Estado, es resolver el problema de la gente que está ahí.",3023.12,3026.12,{"idx":2545,"utterance_id":2546,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2547,"start_s":2548,"end_s":2549,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},424,"37587","Ayer fui a visitar, ese día, cuatro comunidades.",3027.98,3030.66,{"idx":2551,"utterance_id":2552,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2553,"start_s":2554,"end_s":2555,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},425,"37588","Todas las personas son pobres, pero estoy seguro de que son más felices que nosotros.",3031.96,3036.76,{"idx":2557,"utterance_id":2558,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2559,"start_s":2560,"end_s":2561,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},426,"37589","Estoy seguro.",3038.74,3039.36,{"idx":2563,"utterance_id":2564,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2565,"start_s":2566,"end_s":2567,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},427,"37590","Se ve en sus rostros: no tienen el 10% de los problemas que tenemos nosotros.",3039.4,3043.92,{"idx":2569,"utterance_id":2570,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2571,"start_s":2572,"end_s":2573,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},428,"37591","Viven con más tranquilidad.",3046.5,3047.66,{"idx":2575,"utterance_id":2576,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2577,"start_s":2578,"end_s":2579,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},429,"37592","Es como si fuera una vida que acompaña a la naturaleza en el tiempo de la naturaleza.",3048.5,3052.54,{"idx":2581,"utterance_id":2582,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2583,"start_s":2584,"end_s":2585,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},430,"37593","Las cosas no ocurren cuando nosotros queremos que ocurran.",3054.56,3057.02,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":2588,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2589,"start_s":2590,"end_s":2591,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},431,"37594","Sucede porque la naturaleza permite que ocurra la tranquilidad de la gente.",3057.06,3061.98,{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},432,"37595","No ese mundo nervioso que vivimos en los grandes centros urbanos, todo el mundo... medio loco.",3064.36,3069.96,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},433,"37596","Entonces, le confieso que estoy convencido de que este fondo para proteger bosques tropicales para siempre será algo extremadamente importante.",3070.4,3079.96,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},434,"37597","Por ejemplo, hay gente que dice que tenemos que sacar dinero de las petroleras, tenemos que sacar dinero de los bancos.",3081.72,3086.98,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":163,"indexable":12},435,"37598","No, creo que esas empresas petroleras, con el tiempo, se transformarán en empresas de energía y mucho más rápido de lo que la gente imagina.",3087.86,3098.08,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},436,"37599","Mucho más rápido.",3100.36,3101.12,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},437,"37600","Porque los avances tecnológicos en esa área son... Ayer vi algo fantástico: vi un robot para recoger açaí.",3102.16,3109.06,{"idx":2629,"utterance_id":2630,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2631,"start_s":2632,"end_s":2633,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},438,"37601","¿Ha visto alguna vez a un hombre coger un racimo de açaí?",3109.34,3112.24,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":2636,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2637,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2639,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},439,"37602","¿Ha visto cómo sube al cocotero?",3112.76,3114.52,{"idx":2641,"utterance_id":2642,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2643,"start_s":2644,"end_s":2645,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},440,"37603","Pues ayer, el empresario aquí de Pará mostró un robotito, corta el racimo y lo trae, sin riesgo de vida para nadie.",3115.7,3125.46,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},441,"37604","Entonces, tenemos la oportunidad de hacer una revolución.",3127.16,3131.18,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},442,"37605","En esa llamada economía verde.",3131.88,3133.36,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},443,"37606","Entonces, eso es en lo que estamos apostando.",3135.38,3137.18,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2667,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},444,"37607","Y si tienen oportunidad, visiten el centro de bioeconomía que está instalado en uno de esos galpones del puerto allí.",3137.72,3144.86,{"idx":2671,"utterance_id":2672,"speaker_name":8,"text":2673,"start_s":2674,"end_s":2675,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},445,"37608","Señor presidente, me va a disculpar otra vez, voy a cambiar de tema.",3146.64,3150.02,{"idx":2677,"utterance_id":2678,"speaker_name":8,"text":2679,"start_s":2680,"end_s":2681,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},446,"37609","Nos sorprendió un poco porque en Indonesia usted anunció que va a ser candidato para 2026.",3150.9,3156.48,{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":8,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},447,"37610","Nos sorprendió esa noticia que fue de madrugada.",3158.92,3162.38,{"idx":2689,"utterance_id":2690,"speaker_name":8,"text":2691,"start_s":2692,"end_s":2693,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},448,"37611","Recuerdo que en los últimos meses, cuando aún no lo había anunciado oficialmente, se hablaba de dos factores.",3163,3169.66,{"idx":2695,"utterance_id":2696,"speaker_name":8,"text":2697,"start_s":2698,"end_s":2699,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},449,"37612","Uno, si usted estaba con la salud adecuada, eso lo demostramos ayer agarrando el cacao del árbol, dando saltos.",3170,3177.32,{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":8,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},450,"37613","Y el segundo era si la extrema derecha, otra vez, fuera una amenaza",3178.22,3183.84,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":8,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},451,"37614","para Brasil, y si otra vez llegara al poder en Brasil.",3184.12,3188.34,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":8,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},452,"37615","Me gustaría saber, señor, las razones que lo llevaron a ser candidato de nuevo.",3189.24,3193.24,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},453,"37616","Primero, quería decirle que fue un error haber anunciado en Indonesia que iba a ser candidato.",3195.78,3202.84,{"idx":2725,"utterance_id":2726,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2727,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},454,"37617","No tengo electores allí.",3202.88,3203.92,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},455,"37618","Fue un error mío.",3206.92,3208.08,{"idx":2737,"utterance_id":2738,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2739,"start_s":2740,"end_s":2741,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},456,"37619","Pero lo dije, tal vez motivado por el buen trato que recibí del presidente Prabowo.",3208.66,3214.78,{"idx":2743,"utterance_id":2744,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2745,"start_s":2746,"end_s":2747,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},457,"37620","por la bella fiesta que él hizo por mi cumpleaños anticipado.",3216.32,3220,{"idx":2749,"utterance_id":2750,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2751,"start_s":2752,"end_s":2753,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},458,"37621","¿Y qué he venido diciendo aquí?",3221.64,3225.04,{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},459,"37622","Mi esposa está aquí a mi lado, Janja.",3225.16,3227.76,{"idx":2761,"utterance_id":2762,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2763,"start_s":2764,"end_s":2765,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},460,"37623","Ella sabe que he venido diciendo lo siguiente: mira, para que yo sea candidato a los 80 años de edad, tengo que estar muy bien de salud.",3229.52,3237.24,{"idx":2767,"utterance_id":2768,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2769,"start_s":2770,"end_s":2771,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},461,"37624","Entonces trato de cuidarme, trato de cuidarme, trato de prepararme.",3238.6,3242.88,{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},462,"37625","Intento hacer las cosas que hace una persona que quiere vivir mucho.",3243.84,3247.88,{"idx":2779,"utterance_id":2780,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2781,"start_s":2782,"end_s":2783,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},463,"37626","No bromeo cuando digo que quiero vivir 120 años.",3247.98,3251.84,{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},464,"37627","Estoy reivindicando para mí la primacía, ¿sabe?",3253.62,3257.2,{"idx":2791,"utterance_id":2792,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2793,"start_s":2794,"end_s":2795,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},465,"37628","Porque dicen que la persona que va a vivir 120 años ya nació.",3257.26,3261.22,{"idx":2797,"utterance_id":2798,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2799,"start_s":2800,"end_s":2801,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},466,"37629","Así que estoy reclamando la primacía para mí.",3261.82,3265.02,{"idx":2803,"utterance_id":2804,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2805,"start_s":2806,"end_s":2807,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},467,"37630","Quién sabe si seré yo esa persona.",3265.14,3266.62,{"idx":2809,"utterance_id":2810,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2811,"start_s":2812,"end_s":2813,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},468,"37631","Así que, vea, me cuido mucho.",3268.1,3269.6,{"idx":2815,"utterance_id":2816,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2817,"start_s":2818,"end_s":2819,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},469,"37632","Me cuido mucho.",3270.48,3271.16,{"idx":2821,"utterance_id":2822,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2823,"start_s":2824,"end_s":2825,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},470,"37633","Entonces... Si en el momento de decidir estoy con el ánimo que tengo hoy, la alegría que tengo, vivo el mejor momento de mi vida.",3271.4,3281.9,{"idx":2827,"utterance_id":2828,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2829,"start_s":2830,"end_s":2831,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},471,"37634","Vivo el mejor momento de mi vida a los 80 años de edad.",3283.62,3286.58,{"idx":2833,"utterance_id":2834,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2835,"start_s":2836,"end_s":2837,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},472,"37635","Estoy bien de salud, estoy enamorado de mi mujer.",3286.62,3291,{"idx":2839,"utterance_id":2840,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2841,"start_s":2842,"end_s":2843,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},473,"37636","Ella me trata como jamás fui tratado.",3292,3294.34,{"idx":2845,"utterance_id":2846,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2847,"start_s":2848,"end_s":2849,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},474,"37637","Estoy bien en el gobierno, estoy bien con mis ministros, estoy bien con las cosas que suceden en Brasil.",3295.24,3300.12,{"idx":2851,"utterance_id":2852,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2853,"start_s":2854,"end_s":2855,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},475,"37638","Sé de las dificultades, pero si dependiera de mí, nunca más nadie de extrema derecha negacionista gobernaría este país.",3301.06,3313.96,{"idx":2857,"utterance_id":2858,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2859,"start_s":2860,"end_s":2861,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},476,"37639","Todo mi esfuerzo es para que la democracia venza.",3315.78,3318.68,{"idx":2863,"utterance_id":2864,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2865,"start_s":2866,"end_s":2867,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},477,"37640","Y tenemos que hacer que el pueblo comprenda la diferencia entre la democracia y el autoritarismo.",3319.76,3324.26,{"idx":2869,"utterance_id":2870,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2871,"start_s":2872,"end_s":2873,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},478,"37641","De un presidente que tiene compromiso con el pueblo, con el negacionista.",3326.52,3329.82,{"idx":2875,"utterance_id":2876,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2877,"start_s":2878,"end_s":2879,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},479,"37642","Soy un ser humano movido por la emoción.",3332.76,3336.08,{"idx":2881,"utterance_id":2882,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2883,"start_s":2884,"end_s":2885,"word_count":227,"indexable":12},480,"37643","Esa historia de que Trump bromeó con la química, no sé si él ya lo había oído, pero toda la vida les digo a todos que mi relación con el ser humano es química.",3338.7,3350.7,{"idx":2887,"utterance_id":2888,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2889,"start_s":2890,"end_s":2891,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},481,"37644","No creo en esos contactos por celular, no creo en contactos por correo electrónico, no creo en esas cosas.",3352.6,3358.48,{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2895,"start_s":2896,"end_s":2897,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},482,"37645","Si usted no mira la cara de la persona, no toca a la persona, no está teniendo contacto con la persona.",3358.56,3363.36,{"idx":2899,"utterance_id":2900,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2901,"start_s":2902,"end_s":2903,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},483,"37646","Nuestra relación es química.",3364.44,3365.64,{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},484,"37647","Tiene que haber la mirada a los ojos de las personas.",3367.06,3369.82,{"idx":2911,"utterance_id":2912,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2913,"start_s":2914,"end_s":2915,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},485,"37648","Usted tiene que ver el... Y no se ve a la distancia.",3370.86,3373.94,{"idx":2917,"utterance_id":2918,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2919,"start_s":2920,"end_s":2921,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},486,"37649","Digo esto desde hace muchas décadas.",3375.24,3377,{"idx":2923,"utterance_id":2924,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2925,"start_s":2926,"end_s":2927,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},487,"37650","Y cada vez creo más en ello.",3378.26,3379.82,{"idx":2929,"utterance_id":2930,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2931,"start_s":2932,"end_s":2933,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},488,"37651","Entonces, cuando Trump dijo eso, que fueron solo 29 segundos, pero hubo química; conmigo es así.",3381.12,3386.3,{"idx":2935,"utterance_id":2936,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2937,"start_s":2938,"end_s":2939,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},489,"37652","Me gustan las personas por mirar a las personas.",3387.3,3390.54,{"idx":2941,"utterance_id":2942,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2943,"start_s":2944,"end_s":2945,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},490,"37653","No necesito... La persona hacer muchas cosas, con solo mirar a la persona yo sé si la persona es buena o no.",3393.22,3399.12,{"idx":2947,"utterance_id":2948,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2949,"start_s":2950,"end_s":2951,"word_count":220,"indexable":12},491,"37654","Y aunque la persona no sea tan buena para mí, tengo que intentar extraer de mi relación con esa persona aquello que sea provechoso para lo bueno que queremos hacer.",3400.62,3410,{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},492,"37655","Si hay algo malo, no quiero hacerlo.",3410.06,3411.56,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2961,"start_s":2962,"end_s":2963,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},493,"37656","Así que no veo por qué no podría llevarme bien con Trump.",3412.9,3416.18,{"idx":2965,"utterance_id":2966,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2967,"start_s":2968,"end_s":2969,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},494,"37657","Le dije a él: la relación de dos jefes de Estado no es ideológica.",3417.76,3422.4,{"idx":2971,"utterance_id":2972,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2973,"start_s":2974,"end_s":2975,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},495,"37658","¿No está de acuerdo con lo que yo pienso y yo no estoy de acuerdo con lo que usted piensa?",3426.28,3429.36,{"idx":2977,"utterance_id":2978,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2979,"start_s":2980,"end_s":2981,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},496,"37659","Excelente.",3429.54,3429.88,{"idx":2983,"utterance_id":2984,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2985,"start_s":2986,"end_s":2987,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},497,"37660","Ahora, usted fue elegido presidente de los Estados Unidos y yo fui elegido presidente de Brasil.",3430.98,3434.14,{"idx":2989,"utterance_id":2990,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2991,"start_s":2992,"end_s":2993,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},498,"37661","Así que es con usted con quien tengo que hablar.",3435.66,3437.16,{"idx":2995,"utterance_id":2996,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":2997,"start_s":2998,"end_s":2999,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},499,"37662","Y es conmigo con quien usted tiene que hablar.",3437.94,3439.12,{"idx":3001,"utterance_id":3002,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3003,"start_s":3004,"end_s":3005,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},500,"37663","¿Hablar sobre qué?",3440.82,3441.6,{"idx":3007,"utterance_id":3008,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3009,"start_s":3010,"end_s":3011,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},501,"37664","Hablar sobre el interés de los dos estados.",3442.22,3444.16,{"idx":3013,"utterance_id":3014,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3015,"start_s":3016,"end_s":3017,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},502,"37665","Sobre el interés del pueblo americano y del pueblo brasileño.",3445.28,3447.4,{"idx":3019,"utterance_id":3020,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3021,"start_s":3022,"end_s":3023,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},503,"37666","Así funciona la relación entre jefes de Estado.",3447.96,3450.1,{"idx":3025,"utterance_id":3026,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3027,"start_s":3028,"end_s":3029,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},504,"37667","No es porque me caiga bien fulano; me gusta la guardia.",3450.88,3452.84,{"idx":3031,"utterance_id":3032,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3033,"start_s":3034,"end_s":3035,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},505,"37668","Mi relación no es personal.",3453.42,3455.06,{"idx":3037,"utterance_id":3038,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3039,"start_s":3040,"end_s":3041,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},506,"37669","Mi relación es de jefe de Estado.",3456.5,3457.92,{"idx":3043,"utterance_id":3044,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3045,"start_s":3046,"end_s":3047,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},507,"37670","Y eso me empeño en preservar, porque así es como vivimos bien.",3459.32,3465.76,{"idx":3049,"utterance_id":3050,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3051,"start_s":3052,"end_s":3053,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},508,"37671","Y les confieso una cosa: no tengo contenciosos en mi vida personal.",3466.88,3471,{"idx":3055,"utterance_id":3056,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3057,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},509,"37672","Si hay alguien que no me quiere, es porque no quiere quererme.",3472.64,3476.38,{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},510,"37673","Pero nunca hago nada para que la gente no me quiera.",3476.42,3478.88,{"idx":3067,"utterance_id":3068,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3069,"start_s":3070,"end_s":3071,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},511,"37674","Porque creo que es bueno ser bueno.",3479.9,3481.56,{"idx":3073,"utterance_id":3074,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3075,"start_s":3076,"end_s":3077,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},512,"37675","Creo que es bueno tratar bien a las personas.",3483.86,3485.5,{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},513,"37676","Creo que es bueno ser respetuoso con las personas.",3486.56,3488.78,{"idx":3085,"utterance_id":3086,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3087,"start_s":3088,"end_s":3089,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},514,"37677","¿Saben?",3490.58,3490.82,{"idx":3091,"utterance_id":3092,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3093,"start_s":3094,"end_s":3095,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},515,"37678","Así es.",3491.5,3491.82,{"idx":3097,"utterance_id":3098,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3099,"start_s":3100,"end_s":3101,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},516,"37679","Fui educado.",3492.68,3493.54,{"idx":3103,"utterance_id":3104,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3105,"start_s":3106,"end_s":3107,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},517,"37680","Así es como voy a vivir mis 120 años.",3494.7,3495.92,{"idx":3109,"utterance_id":3110,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":1468,"start_s":3111,"end_s":3112,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},518,"37681",3495.98,3496.52,{"idx":3114,"utterance_id":3115,"speaker_name":8,"text":3116,"start_s":3117,"end_s":3118,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},519,"37682","Presidente, volviendo a otro tema también importante aquí, de la Amazonia, que es la explotación de posibles explotaciones de petróleo en la margen ecuatorial.",3499.4,3506.2,{"idx":373,"utterance_id":3120,"speaker_name":8,"text":3121,"start_s":3122,"end_s":3123,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},"37683","Hay mucho debate al respecto.",3506.8,3508.04,{"idx":3125,"utterance_id":3126,"speaker_name":8,"text":3127,"start_s":3128,"end_s":3129,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},521,"37684","Mucha gente ni siquiera esperaba que hubiera un anuncio de exploración.",3508.1,3511.78,{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":8,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},522,"37685","Inicial allí antes de la COP, usted conoce muchas de las críticas, pero muchos de los lectores solo comenzarán a entender un poco este tema a partir de las discusiones de la COP.",3512.38,3521.54,{"idx":3137,"utterance_id":3138,"speaker_name":8,"text":3139,"start_s":3140,"end_s":3141,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},523,"37686","Van a escuchar a ambientalistas, van a escuchar a miembros del gobierno.",3521.74,3524.24,{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":8,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},524,"37687","Quería que usted comentara un poco cuáles son las perspectivas de explotación en esa región y cómo responde a las críticas que señalan que explotar combustibles fósiles en cualquier situación sería un perjuicio para el medio ambiente.",3524.28,3536.38,{"idx":3149,"utterance_id":3150,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3151,"start_s":3152,"end_s":3153,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},525,"37688","Si yo fuera un líder falso y mentiroso, esperaría a pasar la copia para anunciar.",3536.56,3546.76,{"idx":3155,"utterance_id":3156,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3157,"start_s":3158,"end_s":3159,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},526,"37689","Pero si hiciera eso, estaría siendo mezquino ante la importancia de lo que significa hacer la prueba en la margen ecuatorial.",3549.34,3559.66,{"idx":3161,"utterance_id":3162,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3163,"start_s":3164,"end_s":3165,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},527,"37690","Porque tenemos autorización para hacer la prueba.",3562.18,3564.56,{"idx":3167,"utterance_id":3168,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3169,"start_s":3170,"end_s":3171,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},528,"37691","Si encontramos el petróleo que se piensa que hay, habrá que empezar todo de nuevo para otorgar la licencia.",3565.94,3572.72,{"idx":3173,"utterance_id":3174,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3175,"start_s":3176,"end_s":3177,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},529,"37692","Y puede estar seguro de una cosa.",3574.32,3576.12,{"idx":3179,"utterance_id":3180,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3181,"start_s":3182,"end_s":3183,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},530,"37693","Puede estar seguro de una cosa.",3577.62,3578.92,{"idx":3185,"utterance_id":3186,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3187,"start_s":3188,"end_s":3189,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},531,"37694","Cuando el yo ya no existe, existe el pueblo brasileño.",3580.68,3583.46,{"idx":3191,"utterance_id":3192,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3193,"start_s":3194,"end_s":3195,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},532,"37695","Y haremos, si hay que explotar, de la manera más cuidadosa que alguien pueda hacer.",3584.34,3592.58,{"idx":3197,"utterance_id":3198,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3199,"start_s":3200,"end_s":3201,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},533,"37696","No vamos a poner en riesgo algo que creemos que es bueno para la humanidad.",3594.62,3599.88,{"idx":3203,"utterance_id":3204,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3205,"start_s":3206,"end_s":3207,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},534,"37697","Ahora, Brasil es un país pobre.",3602.32,3604.02,{"idx":3209,"utterance_id":3210,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3211,"start_s":3212,"end_s":3213,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},535,"37698","Ustedes conocen los datos.",3605.36,3606.68,{"idx":3215,"utterance_id":3216,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3217,"start_s":3218,"end_s":3219,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},536,"37699","Millones de personas.",3606.8,3607.62,{"idx":3221,"utterance_id":3222,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3223,"start_s":3224,"end_s":3225,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},537,"37700","Si usted lo tiene, tiene que saber cómo explotarlo.",3608.94,3611.2,{"idx":3227,"utterance_id":3228,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3229,"start_s":3230,"end_s":3231,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},538,"37701","Y cómo evitar cualquier riesgo?",3611.24,3613.78,{"idx":3233,"utterance_id":3234,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3235,"start_s":3236,"end_s":3237,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},539,"37702","Mire, Petrobras es la empresa mundial con mayor competencia en prospección en aguas profundas.",3613.9,3620.08,{"idx":3239,"utterance_id":3240,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3241,"start_s":3242,"end_s":3243,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},540,"37703","Hasta ahora no hemos tenido un incidente con Petrobras.",3621.18,3623.94,{"idx":3245,"utterance_id":3246,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3247,"start_s":3248,"end_s":3249,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},541,"37704","Nada igual al Golfo de México.",3627.64,3629.08,{"idx":3251,"utterance_id":3252,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3253,"start_s":3254,"end_s":3255,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},542,"37705","Nunca lo hemos tenido.",3629.86,3630.5,{"idx":3257,"utterance_id":3258,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3259,"start_s":3260,"end_s":3261,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},543,"37706","Y si lo hubiera, no va a ocurrir, porque ya se han tomado las precauciones.",3630.58,3636.26,{"idx":3263,"utterance_id":3264,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3265,"start_s":3266,"end_s":3267,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},544,"37707","No habrá improvisación.",3637.92,3639.36,{"idx":3269,"utterance_id":3270,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3271,"start_s":3272,"end_s":3273,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},545,"37708","Puede estar seguro, no habrá improvisación.",3641.44,3643.74,{"idx":3275,"utterance_id":3276,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3277,"start_s":3278,"end_s":3279,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},546,"37709","No es... Porque no podemos hacer las cosas mal hechas, porque el perjuicio sería mucho peor.",3645.04,3652.84,{"idx":3281,"utterance_id":3282,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3283,"start_s":3284,"end_s":3285,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},547,"37710","Entonces, después, si encontramos, cuando tengamos el resultado de la investigación, empezará toda una nueva discusión otra vez.",3654.02,3660.1,{"idx":3287,"utterance_id":3288,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3289,"start_s":3290,"end_s":3291,"word_count":251,"indexable":12},548,"37711","Porque vea una cosa, cuando les dije que Petrobras tiende a transformarse con el tiempo en una empresa de energía, es porque ya participa muy activamente en la cuestión del etanol y del biodiésel.",3662.16,3674.12,{"idx":3293,"utterance_id":3294,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3295,"start_s":3296,"end_s":3297,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},549,"37712","Petrobras lo sabe.",3676.1,3676.94,{"idx":3299,"utterance_id":3300,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3301,"start_s":3302,"end_s":3303,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},550,"37713","Y todo el mundo sabe que algún día el petróleo se acabará y que algún día tendremos que dejar de utilizarlo.",3678.48,3683.62,{"idx":3305,"utterance_id":3306,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3307,"start_s":3308,"end_s":3309,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},551,"37714","Y en Brasil, ya damos lecciones al mundo.",3685.12,3688.22,{"idx":3311,"utterance_id":3312,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3313,"start_s":3314,"end_s":3315,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},552,"37715","Porque 30%, 100% de nuestra gasolina utiliza 30% de etanol, lo que transforma la gasolina en menos contaminante que la de otros países.",3692.66,3701.64,{"idx":3317,"utterance_id":3318,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3319,"start_s":3320,"end_s":3321,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},553,"37716","Y todo diésel utiliza 15% de biodiésel.",3703.6,3708.72,{"idx":3323,"utterance_id":3324,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3325,"start_s":3326,"end_s":3327,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},554,"37717","Lo que lo convierte en un biodiésel más limpio que los demás.",3709.26,3713.18,{"idx":3329,"utterance_id":3330,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3331,"start_s":3332,"end_s":3333,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},555,"37718","Además, nuestra matriz eléctrica es 87% renovable.",3714.9,3719.46,{"idx":3335,"utterance_id":3336,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3337,"start_s":3338,"end_s":3339,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},556,"37719","Además, tenemos un extraordinario potencial eólico y solar.",3720.62,3726.14,{"idx":3341,"utterance_id":3342,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3343,"start_s":3344,"end_s":3345,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},557,"37720","Y además, tenemos 40 millones de hectáreas de tierras degradadas para recuperar.",3727.66,3733.28,{"idx":3347,"utterance_id":3348,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3349,"start_s":3350,"end_s":3351,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},558,"37721","Habrá mucha inversión.",3734.88,3736.64,{"idx":3353,"utterance_id":3354,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3355,"start_s":3356,"end_s":3357,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},559,"37722","para plantar nueva energía, para que podamos producir más biodiésel, generar más empleo y generar más independencia energética para Brasil.",3737.48,3746.6,{"idx":3359,"utterance_id":3360,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3361,"start_s":3362,"end_s":3363,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},560,"37723","Eso es.",3749.06,3749.4,{"idx":3365,"utterance_id":3366,"speaker_name":8,"text":3367,"start_s":3368,"end_s":3369,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},561,"37724","Quería reforzar la pregunta: ¿no cree que es un poco incoherente con su ambición de ser un líder ambiental?",3751.66,3761.28,{"idx":3371,"utterance_id":3372,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3373,"start_s":3374,"end_s":3375,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},562,"37725","En primer lugar, no quiero ser un líder ambiental.",3762.62,3764.52,{"idx":3377,"utterance_id":3378,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3379,"start_s":3380,"end_s":3381,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},563,"37726","Nunca lo he reivindicado.",3764.62,3765.6,{"idx":3383,"utterance_id":3384,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3385,"start_s":3386,"end_s":3387,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},564,"37727","Quiero hacer las cosas que los especialistas y mi gobierno, mi conciencia, dicen que deben hacerse.",3767.92,3774.24,{"idx":3389,"utterance_id":3390,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3391,"start_s":3392,"end_s":3393,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},565,"37728","Sería incoherente si yo, en un acto de irresponsabilidad, dijera: bueno, no vamos a utilizar más petróleo.",3776.68,3784.36,{"idx":3395,"utterance_id":3396,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3397,"start_s":3398,"end_s":3399,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},566,"37729","Sería un acto de incoherencia e irresponsabilidad porque no sobreviviríamos sin eso.",3785.3,3789.66,{"idx":3401,"utterance_id":3402,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3403,"start_s":3404,"end_s":3405,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},567,"37730","Y ningún mundo lograría sobrevivir sin eso.",3791.76,3796.74,{"idx":3407,"utterance_id":3408,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3409,"start_s":3410,"end_s":3411,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},568,"37731","Y pocos países están más cerca que nosotros de vivir sin eso.",3796.78,3801.96,{"idx":3413,"utterance_id":3414,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3415,"start_s":3416,"end_s":3417,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},569,"37732","Tal como estamos actuando, podríamos ser antes que cualquier otro país del mundo en poder renunciar a eso.",3803.22,3809.08,{"idx":3419,"utterance_id":3420,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3421,"start_s":3422,"end_s":3423,"word_count":94,"indexable":12},570,"37733","Pero por eso digo que es una cuestión de responsabilidad.",3809.92,3812.64,{"idx":3425,"utterance_id":3426,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3427,"start_s":3428,"end_s":3429,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},571,"37734","Tenemos gente que cree que no debemos explotar petróleo en ningún lugar.",3814.34,3817.98,{"idx":3431,"utterance_id":3432,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3433,"start_s":3434,"end_s":3435,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},572,"37735","Hay mucha gente que dice eso.",3819.9,3822.26,{"idx":3437,"utterance_id":3438,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3439,"start_s":3440,"end_s":3441,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},573,"37736","Pero eso sí es incoherente si no se presenta una alternativa.",3823.9,3828.44,{"idx":3443,"utterance_id":3444,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3445,"start_s":3446,"end_s":3447,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},574,"37737","¿Yo acabo con el petróleo y qué voy a utilizar?",3829.44,3833.7,{"idx":416,"utterance_id":3449,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3450,"start_s":3451,"end_s":3452,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},"37738","Tenemos que tener responsabilidad.",3833.76,3835.2,{"idx":3454,"utterance_id":3455,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3456,"start_s":3457,"end_s":3458,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},576,"37739","Entonces, como jefe de Estado, tengo que tener responsabilidad.",3835.28,3838.64,{"idx":3460,"utterance_id":3461,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3462,"start_s":3463,"end_s":3464,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},577,"37740","Y voy a repetir lo que le dije a él.",3839.64,3841.32,{"idx":3466,"utterance_id":3467,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3468,"start_s":3469,"end_s":3470,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},578,"37741","Puede estar seguro de que tenemos la empresa más seria en el área del petróleo, más seria, una empresa comprometida con la transición energética, comprometida, y parte de los recursos de Petrobras es gato para que hagamos inversiones en energías renovables.",3842.02,3861.92,{"idx":3472,"utterance_id":3473,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3474,"start_s":3475,"end_s":3476,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},579,"37742","Y sueño algún día transformar a Petrobras en una empresa de energía, no en una empresa petrolera.",3863.1,3869.06,{"idx":3478,"utterance_id":3479,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3480,"start_s":3481,"end_s":3482,"word_count":227,"indexable":12},580,"37743","Y en la margen ecuatorial, llevó mucho tiempo, no sé si usted tiene la información correcta, pero si no hacemos la investigación, vamos a tardar unos tres años más para realizar la investigación.",3870.44,3882.12,{"idx":3484,"utterance_id":3485,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3486,"start_s":3487,"end_s":3488,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},581,"37744","Entonces también hay oportunidad, ¿sabe?, tecnológica para que usted haga las cosas.",3883.6,3889.16,{"idx":3490,"utterance_id":3491,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3492,"start_s":3493,"end_s":3494,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},582,"37745","No hay muchas sondas en el mundo a disposición.",3890.62,3892.9,{"idx":3496,"utterance_id":3497,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3498,"start_s":3499,"end_s":3500,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},583,"37746","Así que aprovechamos el tiempo.",3894.36,3896.32,{"idx":3502,"utterance_id":3503,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3504,"start_s":3505,"end_s":3506,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},584,"37747","Y vamos, déjeme probar para ver qué hay.",3897.34,3899.7,{"idx":3508,"utterance_id":3509,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3510,"start_s":3511,"end_s":3512,"word_count":175,"indexable":12},585,"37748","Y después sabremos cómo haremos para explotar aquello con el cuidado que debemos tener con nuestra Amazonia.",3900.96,3912.56,{"idx":3514,"utterance_id":3515,"speaker_name":8,"text":3516,"start_s":3517,"end_s":3518,"word_count":245,"indexable":12},586,"37749","Además de esperar a que los líderes de los países desarrollados perciban la importancia de la gobernanza climática, ¿qué más pueden hacer de forma activa los países en desarrollo para llevar adelante la gobernanza climática y asumir sus responsabilidades?",3918.5,3938.26,{"idx":3520,"utterance_id":3521,"speaker_name":8,"text":1468,"start_s":3522,"end_s":3523,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},587,"37750",3938.46,3938.8,{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},588,"37751","Mire, le voy a contar una cosa.",3940.52,3943.78,{"idx":3531,"utterance_id":3532,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3533,"start_s":3534,"end_s":3535,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},589,"37752","Participé en la COP 15 en 2009.",3943.84,3947.32,{"idx":3537,"utterance_id":3538,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3539,"start_s":3540,"end_s":3541,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},590,"37753","En la COP 15, toda Europa, más Estados Unidos y el presidente Obama, querían, en esa COP, echar la responsabilidad de la contaminación del planeta sobre las espaldas de China.",3951.42,3967.32,{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},591,"37754","Yo, ese mismo día, recibí llamadas de Angela Merkel, de Sarkozy, de Obama, del gobierno de Italia, de Gordon Brown.",3970.02,3979.98,{"idx":3549,"utterance_id":3550,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3551,"start_s":3552,"end_s":3553,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},592,"37755","Todo el mundo me llamó intentando convencerme de que debíamos echar la responsabilidad de la contaminación mundial sobre las espaldas de China.",3980.48,3991.22,{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},593,"37756","Recuerdo que Sarkozy llegó a Copenhague con 50 periodistas para una rueda de prensa conmigo, pensando que yo iba a condenar a China.",3993.1,4002.92,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},594,"37757","¿Y qué dije en esa reunión?",4004.76,4006.16,{"idx":3567,"utterance_id":3568,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3569,"start_s":3570,"end_s":3571,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},595,"37758","Es verdad que China contamina mucho.",4008.2,4011.84,{"idx":3573,"utterance_id":3574,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3575,"start_s":3576,"end_s":3577,"word_count":82,"indexable":12},596,"37759","Pero es verdad que los países industrializados contaminan desde hace 200 años.",4013.46,4016.96,{"idx":3579,"utterance_id":3580,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3581,"start_s":3582,"end_s":3583,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},597,"37760","Entonces existe una deuda.",4019.18,4020.72,{"idx":3585,"utterance_id":3586,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3587,"start_s":3588,"end_s":3589,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},598,"37761","Entonces hay que saber si los países industrializados van a pagar la deuda que tienen con el planeta.",4022.98,4027.62,{"idx":3591,"utterance_id":3592,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3593,"start_s":3594,"end_s":3595,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},599,"37762","En lugar de querer solo culpar a China, ¿quién va a pagar su contencioso?",4029.22,4034.26,{"idx":3597,"utterance_id":3598,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3599,"start_s":3600,"end_s":3601,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},600,"37763","Porque ese es el dato concreto.",4037.26,4038.64,{"idx":3603,"utterance_id":3604,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3605,"start_s":3606,"end_s":3607,"word_count":239,"indexable":12},601,"37764","No se puede tomar un país que no contamina nada, que no tiene nada, cuyo pueblo casi no tiene qué comer, y querer que tenga la misma responsabilidad que un país como Estados Unidos.",4039.26,4048.26,{"idx":3609,"utterance_id":3610,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3611,"start_s":3612,"end_s":3613,"word_count":62,"indexable":12},602,"37765","Un país como Alemania, altamente industrializado, no; hay que... hay que tener en cuenta los compromisos, las deudas, para que seamos justos.",4049.72,4059.12,{"idx":3615,"utterance_id":3616,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3617,"start_s":3618,"end_s":3619,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},603,"37766","Entonces, después de eso, China avanzó mucho.",4060.98,4064.58,{"idx":3621,"utterance_id":3622,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3623,"start_s":3624,"end_s":3625,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},604,"37767","China hoy es un país que ha avanzado mucho en la cuestión climática.",4065.8,4070.2,{"idx":3627,"utterance_id":3628,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3629,"start_s":3630,"end_s":3631,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},605,"37768","China llegará con mucha autoridad moral a esta COP, porque tiene ventajas.",4071.9,4076.14,{"idx":3633,"utterance_id":3634,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3635,"start_s":3636,"end_s":3637,"word_count":161,"indexable":12},606,"37769","Los avances de China en la cuestión del motor eléctrico son algo casi... No pensábamos hace cinco años que íbamos a tener toda esa evolución.",4076.66,4086.14,{"idx":3639,"utterance_id":3640,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3641,"start_s":3642,"end_s":3643,"word_count":140,"indexable":12},607,"37770","Entonces, creo que hoy ya no tiene sentido que intentemos saber quién contamina más o quién contamina menos.",4087.4,4096.34,{"idx":3645,"utterance_id":3646,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3647,"start_s":3648,"end_s":3649,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},608,"37771","Hoy lo que se nos plantea es lo siguiente: ¿vamos a cuidar o no vamos a cuidar?",4096.4,4099.6,{"idx":3651,"utterance_id":3652,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3653,"start_s":3654,"end_s":3655,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},609,"37772","Y entonces mi preocupación es crear un instrumento político capaz de hacer valer la aprobación de las cosas que aprobamos allí.",4099.64,4111.4,{"idx":3657,"utterance_id":3658,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3659,"start_s":3660,"end_s":3661,"word_count":173,"indexable":12},610,"37773","No sé cómo se hace, pero nuestra propuesta es crear un consejo ambiental vinculado a la ONU, tiene que estar siempre vinculado a la ONU, para que al tomar la decisión podamos decir que, los países que no cumplan, entonces sí se pueda pensar qué penalidad crear para cada país.",4115.18,4134.7,{"idx":3663,"utterance_id":3664,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3665,"start_s":3666,"end_s":3667,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},611,"37774","Ahí puede ser una penalidad consensuada.",4136.86,4140.4,{"idx":3669,"utterance_id":3670,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3671,"start_s":3672,"end_s":3673,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},612,"37775","De forma multilateral y no una decisión unilateral de un país queriendo castigar a otro.",4141.2,4146.52,{"idx":3675,"utterance_id":3676,"speaker_name":8,"text":3677,"start_s":3678,"end_s":3679,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},613,"37776","La COP 29 dejó a los países en desarrollo bastante molestos por el financiamiento y también a la sociedad civil.",4151.82,4158.88,{"idx":3681,"utterance_id":3682,"speaker_name":8,"text":3683,"start_s":3684,"end_s":3685,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},614,"37777","Y ellos están aún expresando una vez más ese temor",4159.08,4163.22,{"idx":3687,"utterance_id":3688,"speaker_name":8,"text":3689,"start_s":3690,"end_s":3691,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},615,"37778","de que la COP 30 también termine con la misma frustración.",4163.26,4166.04,{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":8,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},616,"37779","Entonces, ¿cómo va a hacer Brasil para que esta COP tenga avances concretos si no hay metas concretas?",4166.56,4173.72,{"idx":3699,"utterance_id":3700,"speaker_name":8,"text":3701,"start_s":3702,"end_s":3703,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},617,"37780","¿Podría explicar un poco más lo que dijo al principio sobre los combustibles fósiles, que quizá en esta COP se hable de una fecha para una salida, si me entienden bien?",4175.64,4185.84,{"idx":3705,"utterance_id":3706,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3707,"start_s":3708,"end_s":3709,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},618,"37781","¿De una fecha?",4186.34,4187.02,{"idx":3711,"utterance_id":3712,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3713,"start_s":3714,"end_s":3715,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},619,"37782","No, no creo que tengamos condiciones para salir de aquí con una fecha.",4188.08,4193.12,{"idx":3717,"utterance_id":3718,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3719,"start_s":3720,"end_s":3721,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},620,"37783","Por eso estamos proponiendo que se discuta un camino a seguir.",4194.28,4204.36,{"idx":3723,"utterance_id":3724,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3725,"start_s":3726,"end_s":3727,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},621,"37784","Es decir, qué pasos tenemos que dar en cada momento para que hagamos que las cosas sucedan.",4205.02,4214.68,{"idx":3729,"utterance_id":3730,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3731,"start_s":3732,"end_s":3733,"word_count":64,"indexable":12},622,"37785","Eso es de lo que hay que tener cuidado.",4214.94,4216.7,{"idx":3735,"utterance_id":3736,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3737,"start_s":3738,"end_s":3739,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},623,"37786","Porque si haces propuestas que sean irreales, parecen bonitas cuando las haces, pero resultan desmoralizadoras cuando no ocurren.",4219.3,4232.62,{"idx":3741,"utterance_id":3742,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3743,"start_s":3744,"end_s":3745,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},624,"37787","Hace mucho tiempo, en el movimiento sindical, aprendí una lección de vida.",4234.98,4242.08,{"idx":3747,"utterance_id":3748,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3749,"start_s":3750,"end_s":3751,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},625,"37788","Cuando reivindicas algo muy elevado, aun si consigues la mitad, es una derrota.",4243.72,4252.3,{"idx":3753,"utterance_id":3754,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3755,"start_s":3756,"end_s":3757,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},626,"37789","Así que adopté como lección de vida... siempre hacer una reivindicación cercana a lo que era posible.",4254.18,4262.6,{"idx":3759,"utterance_id":3760,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3761,"start_s":3762,"end_s":3763,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},627,"37790","¿Y qué sucede cuando haces las cosas cerca de lo posible?",4266.24,4270.04,{"idx":3765,"utterance_id":3766,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3767,"start_s":3768,"end_s":3769,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},628,"37791","Cuando lo consigues, es una victoria.",4270.94,4272.66,{"idx":3771,"utterance_id":3772,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3773,"start_s":3774,"end_s":3775,"word_count":132,"indexable":12},629,"37792","Entonces, ese camino que estamos buscando no puede ser un camino apresurado, porque en poco tiempo nadie cumple, en poco tiempo nadie cree ya en nadie.",4274.76,4282.44,{"idx":3777,"utterance_id":3778,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3779,"start_s":3780,"end_s":3781,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},630,"37793","Lo que tenemos que hacer es convencer a la gente de que tenemos que dar pasos.",4283.48,4288.7,{"idx":3783,"utterance_id":3784,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3785,"start_s":3786,"end_s":3787,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},631,"37794","Si pudiéramos recordar una metáfora que todo el mundo usa: que un largo camino comienza con el primer paso.",4291.52,4298.02,{"idx":3789,"utterance_id":3790,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3791,"start_s":3792,"end_s":3793,"word_count":134,"indexable":12},632,"37795","Lo más innovador que vi en esto es que la muralla de China comenzó con la primera piedra.",4301.2,4307.68,{"idx":3795,"utterance_id":3796,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3797,"start_s":3798,"end_s":3799,"word_count":233,"indexable":12},633,"37796","Entonces, si tenemos la dimensión de que es una etapa difícil para el cuidado del planeta y vamos haciendo las cosas... En la medida en que los países puedan ir haciéndolo, podemos llegar allí.",4309.16,4326.24,{"idx":3801,"utterance_id":3802,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3803,"start_s":3804,"end_s":3805,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},634,"37797","Se puede llegar.",4328.16,4328.7,{"idx":3807,"utterance_id":3808,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3809,"start_s":3810,"end_s":3811,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},635,"37798","Creo que tenemos condiciones.",4330.12,4331.7,{"idx":3813,"utterance_id":3814,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3815,"start_s":3816,"end_s":3817,"word_count":40,"indexable":12},636,"37799","También porque está habiendo una mayor conciencia de la humanidad sobre esta negación del cambio climático.",4333.92,4339.76,{"idx":3819,"utterance_id":3820,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3821,"start_s":3822,"end_s":3823,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},637,"37800","La gente se está dando cuenta de que llueve más donde antes no llovía y que hay más sequía donde antes llovía mucho.",4341.02,4346.4,{"idx":3825,"utterance_id":3826,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3827,"start_s":3828,"end_s":3829,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},638,"37801","La gente está percibiendo que las cosas están ocurriendo.",4347.6,4350.52,{"idx":3831,"utterance_id":3832,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3833,"start_s":3834,"end_s":3835,"word_count":75,"indexable":12},639,"37802","Entonces, como tenemos la inteligencia para cuidar de esto, podemos evitarlo.",4352.4,4356.02,{"idx":3837,"utterance_id":3838,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3839,"start_s":3840,"end_s":3841,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},640,"37803","Sinceramente, les diré, antes de que empiece la COP —empieza mañana— pero quiero decirles que la COP será la mejor COP que se haya hecho en el mundo.",4358.16,4369.56,{"idx":3843,"utterance_id":3844,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3845,"start_s":3846,"end_s":3847,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},641,"37804","Tomará buenas decisiones.",4371.62,4374.8,{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},642,"37805","Buenas decisiones.",4374.84,4375.6,{"idx":3855,"utterance_id":3856,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3857,"start_s":3858,"end_s":3859,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},643,"37806","Y quiero que adopte decisiones que puedan ser ejecutadas.",4375.68,4381.98,{"idx":3861,"utterance_id":3862,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3863,"start_s":3864,"end_s":3865,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},644,"37807","Nadie necesita hacer promesas.",4383.84,4385.34,{"idx":3867,"utterance_id":3868,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3869,"start_s":3870,"end_s":3871,"word_count":42,"indexable":12},645,"37808","Nadie necesita dar solo discursos.",4387.06,4388.46,{"idx":3873,"utterance_id":3874,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3875,"start_s":3876,"end_s":3877,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},646,"37809","Hagamos lo que se pueda hacer.",4388.56,4390.22,{"idx":3879,"utterance_id":3880,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3881,"start_s":3882,"end_s":3883,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},647,"37810","No puedo hacer 10, pero puedo hacer 5.",4391.04,4393.34,{"idx":3885,"utterance_id":3886,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3887,"start_s":3888,"end_s":3889,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},648,"37811","Entonces, que sean 5, que ya está bien.",4393.9,4396.74,{"idx":3891,"utterance_id":3892,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3893,"start_s":3894,"end_s":3895,"word_count":70,"indexable":12},649,"37812","Lo que no se puede es no hacer nada.",4396.8,4398.54,{"idx":3897,"utterance_id":3898,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3899,"start_s":3900,"end_s":3901,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},650,"37813","Ese es el espíritu de la COP.",4401.12,4402.24,{"idx":3903,"utterance_id":3904,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3905,"start_s":3906,"end_s":3907,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},651,"37814","Entonces, eso es todo.",4404.74,4406.4,{"idx":3909,"utterance_id":3910,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3911,"start_s":3912,"end_s":3913,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},652,"37815","Agradezco.",4408.22,4408.66,{"idx":3915,"utterance_id":3916,"speaker_name":8,"text":3917,"start_s":3918,"end_s":3919,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},653,"37816","Logramos, para quienes no creían, 1 hora y 14 minutos.",4410.14,4414.94,{"idx":3921,"utterance_id":3922,"speaker_name":8,"text":3923,"start_s":3924,"end_s":3925,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},654,"37817","Las dos rondas.",4416.2,4417,{"idx":3927,"utterance_id":3928,"speaker_name":8,"text":3929,"start_s":3930,"end_s":3931,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},655,"37818","Una de las consideraciones finales.",4418.4,4420.56,{"idx":3933,"utterance_id":3934,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3935,"start_s":3936,"end_s":3937,"word_count":239,"indexable":12},656,"37819","Pero tengan en cuenta una cosa: si pueden —no sé si alguno fue conmigo ayer—, si pueden conocer un poco más allá de la ciudad de Belém, hacer un viaje en barco a mi comunidad, sería bueno.",4422.26,4438.88,{"idx":3939,"utterance_id":3940,"speaker_name":44,"speaker_slug":45,"text":3941,"start_s":3942,"end_s":3943,"word_count":126,"indexable":12},657,"37820","Porque en Brasil tenemos el 14% de nuestro territorio demarcado como tierra indígena, en un país que tiene 8 millones y medio de kilómetros 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