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a Brasilia, cumpliendo con la promesa de una entrevista exclusiva con la ministra de Planeamiento, Simone Tebet, junto a la ministra Gustavo Uribe y Daniel Hitchner.",12.42,27,false,{"idx":75,"utterance_id":76,"speaker_name":69,"text":77,"start_s":78,"end_s":79,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1,"168677","¿Todo bien, ministra?",13.06,14.2,3,{"idx":82,"utterance_id":83,"speaker_name":69,"text":84,"start_s":85,"end_s":86,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},2,"168678","Bienvenida a nuestros bastidores en CNN.",14.28,16.7,5,{"idx":80,"utterance_id":89,"speaker_name":69,"text":90,"start_s":91,"end_s":92,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},"168679","Voy a pasar la pelota a mis chicos.",16.96,19.04,9,{"idx":95,"utterance_id":96,"speaker_name":69,"text":97,"start_s":98,"end_s":99,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},4,"168680","¡Dani!",19.48,19.82,{"idx":87,"utterance_id":101,"speaker_name":69,"text":102,"start_s":103,"end_s":104,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},"168681","¿Empieza desde ahí y luego Uribe retoma a continuación, puede ser?",20.36,23.38,11,{"idx":107,"utterance_id":108,"speaker_name":69,"text":109,"start_s":110,"end_s":111,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},6,"168682","Vamos a hablar de revisión de gastos.",23.62,25.5,{"idx":113,"utterance_id":114,"speaker_name":69,"text":115,"start_s":116,"end_s":117,"word_count":118,"indexable":73},7,"168683","Tenemos una previsión, usted es siempre defensora de una revisión periódica del gasto y hay datos sobre el Bolsa Família que son un poco preocupantes, acerca de algunas personas que abandonan el mercado de trabajo para permanecer en el Bolsa Família.",26.02,38.3,40,{"idx":120,"utterance_id":121,"speaker_name":69,"text":122,"start_s":123,"end_s":124,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},8,"168684","¿Cómo ve usted esos datos?",38.54,40.82,{"idx":93,"utterance_id":126,"speaker_name":69,"text":127,"start_s":128,"end_s":129,"word_count":130,"indexable":73},"168685","¿y una vía de salida para el programa social, si es necesaria una salida que sea más directa?",41.08,45.88,20,{"idx":4,"utterance_id":132,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":135,"start_s":136,"end_s":137,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},"168686","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","Bueno, antes que nada, buenas tardes.",46.68,48.18,{"idx":105,"utterance_id":139,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":140,"start_s":141,"end_s":142,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},"168687","Buenas tardes a todos los que nos acompañan en CNN.",48.22,51.12,{"idx":144,"utterance_id":145,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":146,"start_s":147,"end_s":148,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},12,"168688","Tainá, un placer poder también estar aquí con usted.",51.26,53.56,{"idx":150,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},13,"168689","Daniel.",54.04,54.52,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},14,"168690","Uribe, bueno, su pregunta es importante porque, primero, la revisión del gasto es una obligación constitucional.",56.04,62.7,17,{"idx":163,"utterance_id":164,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":165,"start_s":166,"end_s":167,"word_count":168,"indexable":73},15,"168691","Estamos cuidando del dinero del pueblo brasileño y tenemos que hacerlo con celo, con eficiencia, con calidad; al fin y al cabo es un país rico que aún tiene un pueblo muy pobre.",63.66,72.2,30,{"idx":170,"utterance_id":171,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":172,"start_s":173,"end_s":174,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},16,"168692","Entonces tenemos políticas públicas que deben entregarse de forma inmediata a la población brasileña, pero el presupuesto es finito.",72.46,81.28,21,{"idx":161,"utterance_id":177,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":178,"start_s":179,"end_s":180,"word_count":130,"indexable":73},"168693","Y Brasil ya tiene una de las tasas de impuestos más altas del mundo, una de las mayores cargas tributarias del mundo.",82.04,88.84,{"idx":182,"utterance_id":183,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":184,"start_s":185,"end_s":186,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},18,"168694","Entonces, ¿cómo hacer que el dinero rinda para las personas?",89.18,91.6,{"idx":188,"utterance_id":189,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":190,"start_s":191,"end_s":192,"word_count":72,"indexable":73},19,"168695","Es importante; siempre me gusta hablar de economía de forma muy sencilla, porque es una manera de que la gente también entienda lo que estamos haciendo.",91.64,99.66,{"idx":130,"utterance_id":194,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":195,"start_s":196,"end_s":197,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},"168696","Haciendo la tarea de cuidar bien el dinero de la población brasileña.",99.94,103.78,{"idx":175,"utterance_id":199,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":200,"start_s":201,"end_s":202,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},"168697","Así que, desde que asumí el ministerio y desde el primer día, y fue determinación del presidente Lula, él me dio carta blanca.",104.16,110.92,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":204,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":205,"start_s":206,"end_s":207,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},"168698","en ese sentido, fue estar analizando posibles fraudes, posibles errores y desperdicio de políticas públicas.",110.94,119.02,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":209,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":210,"start_s":211,"end_s":212,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},"168699","¿Dónde tengo un ministerio que tiene una política pública y otro que hace lo mismo?",119.2,123.12,{"idx":214,"utterance_id":215,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":216,"start_s":217,"end_s":218,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},24,"168700","¿Está habiendo solapamiento?",123.26,124.54,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},"168701","Debido a ese solapamiento, ¿hay alguna política pública que estoy dejando de hacer y dejando de atender a la gente?",124.84,130.78,{"idx":9,"utterance_id":225,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":226,"start_s":227,"end_s":228,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},"168702","Paralelamente a eso... Creamos por primera vez en la historia una Secretaría que es la Secretaría de Evaluación de Políticas Públicas.",131.54,138.48,{"idx":72,"utterance_id":230,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":231,"start_s":232,"end_s":233,"word_count":234,"indexable":73},"168703","Entonces, cada año, publicamos los llamados coloridinhos, que son los resultados de los estudios que el equipo... que en un equipo sólo del planeamiento involucra a la Casa Civil, involucra al Ministerio de Gestión, Innovación; nosotros, en cuatro ministerios a través de la CEMAP, analizamos políticas públicas.",138.76,157.5,43,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":236,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":237,"start_s":238,"end_s":239,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},"168704","Es eficiente, tiene que continuar.",157.74,159.2,{"idx":241,"utterance_id":242,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":243,"start_s":244,"end_s":245,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},29,"168705","De forma objetiva.",159.48,160.26,{"idx":168,"utterance_id":247,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":248,"start_s":249,"end_s":250,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},"168706","En relación al Bolsa Família, tenemos dos datos.",160.3,162.74,{"idx":252,"utterance_id":253,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":254,"start_s":255,"end_s":256,"word_count":72,"indexable":73},31,"168707","El primero es, y ahí para acabar con el mito, que el Bolsa Família... genera desempleo, es decir, que las personas no buscan empleo porque tienen Bolsa Família.",163.02,172.9,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":258,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":259,"start_s":260,"end_s":261,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},"168708","Eso no es verdad y el estudio lo demuestra; es decir, el Bolsa Família es un programa social relevante, importante y que tiene impacto económico.",173.02,181.6,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":263,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":264,"start_s":265,"end_s":266,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},"168709","Eso significa, incluso, participación en el PIB; ayuda a dinamizar la economía, incluso, de los municipios más pequeños de Brasil.",181.62,189.14,{"idx":268,"utterance_id":269,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":270,"start_s":271,"end_s":272,"word_count":273,"indexable":73},34,"168710","Ahora, paralelo a eso, lo que verificamos es que, desde la época de la pandemia, debido al piso, ser R$ 600 para el unipersonal, por eso, en algunos momentos, verificamos que el Bolsa Família, en el nivel en que está, de cierta forma, estimula la informalidad.",189.68,209.38,50,{"idx":275,"utterance_id":276,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":277,"start_s":278,"end_s":279,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},35,"168711","No es que él sea el factor principal de la informalidad.",210.02,212.44,{"idx":281,"utterance_id":282,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":283,"start_s":284,"end_s":285,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},36,"168712","Tenemos N razones para la informalidad.",212.48,214.58,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},37,"168713","Entonces, este es un dato importante.",214.6,216.32,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":294,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":295,"start_s":296,"end_s":297,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},38,"168714","Ah, es un dato que, de alguna forma, disminuye la importancia del Bolsa Família.",216.68,220.88,{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},39,"168715","Muy al contrario.",220.98,221.94,{"idx":118,"utterance_id":305,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":306,"start_s":307,"end_s":308,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},"168716","Eso muestra que estamos cuidando de un programa que necesita ser mejorado.",222.26,226.02,{"idx":310,"utterance_id":311,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":312,"start_s":313,"end_s":314,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},41,"168717","Y esa es la intención del equipo del gobierno del presidente Lula.",226.36,230.42,{"idx":316,"utterance_id":317,"speaker_name":69,"text":318,"start_s":319,"end_s":320,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},42,"168718","Y eso significa, ministra, tomando como base el informe que la Secretaría, inclusive, divulgó ayer, ayer, analizando, entre otros programas de gobierno, el Bolsa Família.",230.52,238.74,{"idx":234,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":69,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":182,"indexable":73},"168719","¿Que el programa puede, en algún momento, ser una barrera al acceso al mercado laboral formal?",239.36,246.22,{"idx":327,"utterance_id":328,"speaker_name":69,"text":329,"start_s":330,"end_s":331,"word_count":252,"indexable":73},44,"168720","Pregunto esto porque, en este momento, existe toda una discusión, coordinada por el ministro Wellington Dias, en la que se discute mucho quién accede al mercado laboral formal y tiene contrato firmado.",246.24,257.1,{"idx":333,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":69,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},45,"168721","¿Cuánto tiempo continúa recibiendo el Bolsa Família?",257.42,260.08,{"idx":339,"utterance_id":340,"speaker_name":69,"text":341,"start_s":342,"end_s":343,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},46,"168722","¿Cuáles son las ideas que usted pretende llevar a esa discusión?",260.82,263.94,{"idx":345,"utterance_id":346,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":347,"start_s":348,"end_s":349,"word_count":350,"indexable":73},47,"168723","Lo que analizamos dentro del programa es que, aunque hayamos avanzado para establecer que la persona que consiga empleo, incluso con contrato de trabajo, recibiendo Bolsa Família, permanecerá por dos años recibiendo la mitad del programa social, es necesario algo más para garantizar la formalidad.",264.98,284.68,52,{"idx":352,"utterance_id":353,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":354,"start_s":355,"end_s":356,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},48,"168724","Eso no va a ser suficiente.",284.78,286.2,{"idx":358,"utterance_id":359,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":360,"start_s":361,"end_s":362,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},49,"168725","¿Qué sería ese algo más?",286.34,287.7,{"idx":273,"utterance_id":364,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":365,"start_s":366,"end_s":367,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},"168726","¿Garantizar?",288.3,288.84,{"idx":369,"utterance_id":370,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":371,"start_s":372,"end_s":373,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},51,"168727","Productividad; es decir, tomar a esas familias o a esa persona que está recibiendo la mitad del programa, que está inserta en el mercado laboral, y capacitarlas.",289.18,298.26,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":375,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":376,"start_s":377,"end_s":378,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},"168728","Y eso lo tenemos que hacer, inclusive, con la iniciativa privada.",298.8,301.76,{"idx":380,"utterance_id":381,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":382,"start_s":383,"end_s":384,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},53,"168729","Estuve ayer con el vicepresidente de la CNI, donde abordé este tema.",301.8,306.12,{"idx":386,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":252,"indexable":73},54,"168730","Él dijo que se podría mejorar eso, aumentar aún más la cantidad, el monto a pagar a quien está en el Bolsa Família, para que pase al mercado laboral.",306.14,315.98,{"idx":392,"utterance_id":393,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":394,"start_s":395,"end_s":396,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},55,"168731","Dije que, primero, el presupuesto no lo soporta.",316.24,317.96,{"idx":398,"utterance_id":399,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":400,"start_s":401,"end_s":402,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},56,"168732","Si voy a pagar una Bolsa Família completa al beneficiario, aun cuando él ya la esté recibiendo, necesito eliminar la lista de espera de quienes la necesitan.",318.48,326.8,{"idx":404,"utterance_id":405,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":406,"start_s":407,"end_s":408,"word_count":398,"indexable":73},57,"168733","Y en segundo lugar que eso es insuficiente; lo que necesito es que ustedes, de la Confederação Nacional das Indústrias, del sector comercio, de la iniciativa privada, nos ayuden, como ya lo hacen —es importante decir que son nuestros socios—; necesitamos que ustedes acojan a esas familias, capacitándolas para que puedan ir directamente a la industria.",327.26,345.44,{"idx":410,"utterance_id":411,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":412,"start_s":413,"end_s":414,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},58,"168734","Porque el salario en la industria es muy bueno; tiene un promedio de R$ 2.400.",345.76,348.98,{"idx":416,"utterance_id":417,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":418,"start_s":419,"end_s":420,"word_count":345,"indexable":73},59,"168735","Entonces, es obvio que una familia con un salario de R$ 2.400 opta por la formalidad, obtiene contrato de trabajo y renuncia al Bolsa Família, incluso para que podamos tomar ese monto del Bolsa Família y dárselo a las familias que más lo necesitan.",349.58,362.86,{"idx":422,"utterance_id":423,"speaker_name":69,"text":424,"start_s":425,"end_s":426,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},60,"168736","¿Tainá?",363.12,363.42,{"idx":428,"utterance_id":429,"speaker_name":69,"text":430,"start_s":431,"end_s":432,"word_count":118,"indexable":73},61,"168737","Ministra, quería comentar un poco una declaración reciente suya: dijo que el próximo presidente de la República no va a poder gobernar el país con el marco fiscal que existe hoy, sugiriendo un cambio de ajuste fiscal a finales de 2026.",364.62,381.08,{"idx":434,"utterance_id":435,"speaker_name":69,"text":436,"start_s":437,"end_s":438,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},62,"168738","Quisiera saber dos cosas.",381.24,382.4,{"idx":440,"utterance_id":441,"speaker_name":69,"text":442,"start_s":443,"end_s":444,"word_count":130,"indexable":73},63,"168739","Por qué, en su evaluación, o si esa modificación no podría hacerse ahora, ante el estrangulamiento de los gastos públicos?",383.04,391.7,{"idx":446,"utterance_id":447,"speaker_name":69,"text":448,"start_s":449,"end_s":450,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},64,"168740","Y cómo podría ser un nuevo proyecto de marco fiscal, ministra?",392.24,396.16,{"idx":452,"utterance_id":453,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":454,"start_s":455,"end_s":456,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},65,"168741","Gracias, Tainá.",397.2,400.32,{"idx":458,"utterance_id":459,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":460,"start_s":461,"end_s":462,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},66,"168742","Me estoy riendo porque estaba bromeando con Daniel sobre esta cuestión cuya respuesta mía de alguna manera podría haber generado polémica.",400.58,408.92,{"idx":464,"utterance_id":465,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":466,"start_s":467,"end_s":468,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},67,"168743","Esa es la importancia de la previsibilidad.",409.54,411.58,{"idx":470,"utterance_id":471,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":472,"start_s":473,"end_s":474,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},68,"168744","También logramos implantar —fue un mérito de este gobierno que aceptó una sugerencia nuestra desde el Ministerio— la presupuestación a mediano plazo.",411.62,419.42,{"idx":476,"utterance_id":477,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":478,"start_s":479,"end_s":480,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},69,"168745","Es decir, ahora, cuando presentamos el proyecto de LDO, no es sólo con la estimación del año.",419.46,425.82,{"idx":482,"utterance_id":483,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":484,"start_s":485,"end_s":486,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},70,"168746","Es decir, ya no sólo con la estimación del año siguiente más dos; es del año siguiente más tres.",426.14,428.7,{"idx":488,"utterance_id":489,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":490,"start_s":491,"end_s":492,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},71,"168747","Entonces, desde el año pasado ya estábamos viendo algunas señales de estrangulamiento del presupuesto brasileño.",429.14,435.12,{"idx":494,"utterance_id":495,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":496,"start_s":497,"end_s":498,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},72,"168748","Recordemos tres puntos muy rápidos.",435.54,437.7,{"idx":500,"utterance_id":501,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":502,"start_s":503,"end_s":504,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},73,"168749","El marco que enviamos al Congreso Nacional fue modificado.",437.96,441.74,{"idx":506,"utterance_id":507,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":508,"start_s":509,"end_s":510,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},74,"168750","No es una crítica, porque la democracia es eso.",442.08,444.2,{"idx":512,"utterance_id":513,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":514,"start_s":515,"end_s":516,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},75,"168751","El Congreso aflojó el marco.",444.54,446.54,{"idx":518,"utterance_id":519,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":520,"start_s":521,"end_s":522,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},76,"168752","que queríamos imponer a Brasil.",447.18,450.54,{"idx":524,"utterance_id":525,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":526,"start_s":527,"end_s":528,"word_count":252,"indexable":73},77,"168753","Luego, en el ajuste fiscal, sabiendo que haría falta reducir el recorte de gastos más adelante, también el Congreso, aunque aprobó casi el 90% de nuestras sugerencias, no aprobó el 100%.",450.88,464.98,{"idx":530,"utterance_id":531,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":532,"start_s":533,"end_s":534,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},78,"168754","Se estaba ya elaborando el PLDO del año que viene, elaborándolo por tanto este año; verificamos que ya en 2027 vamos a tener un gran problema.",466.3,476.24,{"idx":536,"utterance_id":537,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":538,"start_s":539,"end_s":540,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},79,"168755","¿Por qué?",476.36,476.68,{"idx":542,"utterance_id":543,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":544,"start_s":545,"end_s":546,"word_count":299,"indexable":73},80,"168756","Estamos teniendo un crecimiento muy grande de los gastos obligatorios, léase la Seguridad Social, jubilaciones, salarios; los gastos obligatorios, el BPC, están creciendo mucho y estrangulando el dinero que queda para inversiones públicas, incluso para las enmiendas parlamentarias del Congreso.",476.74,495.44,{"idx":548,"utterance_id":549,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":550,"start_s":551,"end_s":552,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},81,"168757","para realizar inversiones en el área de la salud, de la educación, además de lo que se considera piso.",496.04,501.48,{"idx":554,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":118,"indexable":73},82,"168758","Entonces, teniendo en cuenta esta situación, y por último, que es el tercer punto, a partir de 2027, recordemos, perdimos esa 'wave', que era la capacidad que teníamos de pagar los precatorios fuera de las reglas del marco.",501.9,518,{"idx":560,"utterance_id":561,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":562,"start_s":563,"end_s":564,"word_count":130,"indexable":73},83,"168759","Y no estamos hablando de una cifra pequeña; hablamos de añadir al menos entre un 40% y un 50% más.",518.28,524.4,{"idx":566,"utterance_id":567,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":568,"start_s":569,"end_s":570,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},84,"168760","B, las reglas del marco.",524.62,526.66,{"idx":572,"utterance_id":573,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":574,"start_s":575,"end_s":576,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},85,"168761","Entonces, ¿por qué 2027?",526.94,527.82,{"idx":578,"utterance_id":579,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":580,"start_s":581,"end_s":582,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},86,"168762","La gente decía así, ah, ¿es porque será otro presidente?",528.62,531.08,{"idx":584,"utterance_id":585,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":586,"start_s":587,"end_s":588,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},87,"168763","No.",531.12,531.28,{"idx":590,"utterance_id":591,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":592,"start_s":593,"end_s":594,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},88,"168764","Es porque en 2027 estoy obligada a incluir los precatorios dentro.",531.6,534.78,{"idx":596,"utterance_id":597,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":598,"start_s":599,"end_s":600,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},89,"168765","Y repitiendo, no es uno, dos o cuatro mil millones de reales.",534.82,538.16,{"idx":602,"utterance_id":603,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":604,"start_s":605,"end_s":606,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},90,"168766","Es mucho dinero.",538.46,539.14,{"idx":608,"utterance_id":609,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":610,"start_s":611,"end_s":612,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},91,"168767","Entonces, ante ese escenario, ¿cuál es la observación que hago?",539.42,541.96,{"idx":614,"utterance_id":615,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":616,"start_s":617,"end_s":618,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},92,"168768","Con la experiencia que tengo en el Congreso Nacional, porque sólo como senadora estuve ocho años allí, digo que tenemos una ventana de oportunidad que no es ahora.",542.92,550.5,{"idx":620,"utterance_id":621,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":622,"start_s":623,"end_s":624,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},93,"168769","Estamos en la antesala de un proceso electoral.",550.56,553.42,{"idx":626,"utterance_id":627,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":628,"start_s":629,"end_s":630,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},94,"168770","El Congreso Nacional no querrá votar nada que pueda ser... de alguna forma, conflictivo.",553.46,559.12,{"idx":632,"utterance_id":633,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":634,"start_s":635,"end_s":636,"word_count":214,"indexable":73},95,"168771","Tenemos una ventana que es después de la elección; sea cual sea el próximo presidente de la República, tenemos una ventana para una PEC.",559.42,566.58,{"idx":638,"utterance_id":639,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":640,"start_s":641,"end_s":642,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},96,"168772","Como hace cuatro años hubo la PEC de la gastanza, ahora el proceso es inverso.",567.12,571.4,{"idx":644,"utterance_id":645,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":646,"start_s":647,"end_s":648,"word_count":118,"indexable":73},97,"168773","Como hubo una PEC de la transición —que muchos llaman la PEC de la gastanza— necesitábamos reponer políticas públicas; incluso yo voté a favor, pensaba que no necesitaba ser R$ 160.000 millones, R$ 120.000 millones, R$ 130.000 millones quizás habría sido suficiente, pero la aprobamos en el Congreso Nacional.",571.84,585.56,{"idx":650,"utterance_id":651,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":652,"start_s":653,"end_s":654,"word_count":27,"indexable":73},98,"168774","una ventana de oportunidad de la PEC de 'apretar los cinturones', donde no necesitamos cambiar el marco, no necesitamos otra regla fiscal, necesitamos con este mismo marco establecer ciertos parámetros.",586.78,600.9,{"idx":656,"utterance_id":657,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":658,"start_s":659,"end_s":660,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},99,"168775","Voy a dar dos o tres ejemplos aquí, que no significa que piense en estos ejemplos para evitar decir más; la ministra ya salió hablando.",601.34,607.3,{"idx":662,"utterance_id":663,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":664,"start_s":665,"end_s":666,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},100,"168776","¿Vamos a incluir el piso de la educación y de la salud dentro de las reglas del marco?",607.66,611.8,{"idx":668,"utterance_id":669,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":670,"start_s":671,"end_s":672,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},101,"168777","¿O vamos a decir que el límite de gastos de Brasil a partir de 2027 no va a ser inflación más 2,5%, sino inflación más 2%?",612.08,624.34,{"idx":674,"utterance_id":675,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":676,"start_s":677,"end_s":678,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},102,"168778","No lo sé.",624.86,625.36,{"idx":680,"utterance_id":681,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":682,"start_s":683,"end_s":684,"word_count":43,"indexable":73},103,"168779","Eso tendrá que surgir después de una conversación del equipo económico, junto con el presidente o el próximo presidente, y dependerá también de la voluntad del Congreso Nacional.",625.76,634.3,{"idx":686,"utterance_id":687,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":688,"start_s":689,"end_s":690,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},104,"168780","Pero sí vamos a necesitar perfeccionar el marco fiscal y el régimen fiscal brasileño.",634.34,642.28,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":214,"indexable":73},105,"168781","Porque, de nuevo, no basta solo combatir el fraude, combatir los errores, combatir los desperdicios, porque los gastos obligatorios en Brasil están creciendo y creciendo muy rápido.",642.54,654.08,{"idx":698,"utterance_id":699,"speaker_name":69,"text":700,"start_s":701,"end_s":702,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},106,"168782","Pero, ministra, mes a mes la situación se va volviendo más difícil y año tras año.",654.12,659.44,{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":69,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":43,"indexable":73},107,"168783","Sólo para tomar un dato del PLDO, que fue enviado recientemente al Congreso, en 2029 los gastos discrecionales del gobierno quedan en menos de 10.000 millones de reales.",659.56,670.1,{"idx":710,"utterance_id":711,"speaker_name":69,"text":712,"start_s":713,"end_s":714,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},108,"168784","Hoy estamos hablando de montos superiores a 200.000 millones de reales.",670.52,673.6,{"idx":716,"utterance_id":717,"speaker_name":69,"text":718,"start_s":719,"end_s":720,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},109,"168785","Ese es el tamaño del apretón.",673.94,675.24,{"idx":722,"utterance_id":723,"speaker_name":69,"text":724,"start_s":725,"end_s":726,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},110,"168786","¿Usted cree que... ¿Es caso de que este gobierno aún haga una sugerencia, presente una propuesta para discusión, porque si dejamos todo para 2027, independientemente de cuál sea el gobierno, estamos posponiendo un debate?",675.94,691.76,{"idx":728,"utterance_id":729,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":730,"start_s":731,"end_s":732,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},111,"168787","Daniel, sugerencias tenemos muchas y están en los cajones.",692.32,695.3,{"idx":734,"utterance_id":735,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":736,"start_s":737,"end_s":738,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},112,"168788","Nosotros, el equipo económico... Pero nadie las conoce.",695.74,697.42,{"idx":740,"utterance_id":741,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":742,"start_s":743,"end_s":744,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},113,"168789","Pero ni siquiera puede, porque es una sugerencia que, por el momento, está dentro de un análisis técnico.",697.96,702.08,{"idx":746,"utterance_id":747,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":748,"start_s":749,"end_s":750,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},114,"168790","Y, como dije, no sirve de nada discutir algo ahora que tendrá que ser debatido con el Congreso Nacional después de las elecciones de 2026.",702.4,711.84,{"idx":752,"utterance_id":753,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":754,"start_s":755,"end_s":756,"word_count":281,"indexable":73},115,"168791","La experiencia de la política brasileña muestra que no logramos hacer reformas estructurales, sean cuales sean, y estamos hablando de algo estructural, a la víspera, cuando faltan alrededor de un año y medio para la elección.",712.94,727.14,{"idx":758,"utterance_id":759,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":760,"start_s":761,"end_s":762,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},116,"168792","Entonces, creo que tenemos que avanzar en otras cosas; hay muchas medidas ahí.",727.48,730.92,{"idx":764,"utterance_id":765,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":766,"start_s":767,"end_s":768,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},117,"168793","Tenemos que ver no solo por el lado del gasto, y ahí ya estamos avanzando.",731.34,736.9,{"idx":770,"utterance_id":771,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":772,"start_s":773,"end_s":774,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},118,"168794","Está la cuestión de los super salarios, está la cuestión de los gastos tributarios.",736.96,740.9,{"idx":776,"utterance_id":777,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":778,"start_s":779,"end_s":780,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},119,"168795","Así que no es que el gobierno esté parado o que no tenga un paquete de medidas, incluso de iniciativa del propio Congreso Nacional.",741.14,747.46,{"idx":782,"utterance_id":783,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":784,"start_s":785,"end_s":786,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},120,"168796","Ahora es preciso establecer prioridades.",748.2,749.86,{"idx":788,"utterance_id":789,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":790,"start_s":791,"end_s":792,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},121,"168797","Tengo mucha expectativa en esos dos jóvenes que están en la presidencia de la Cámara de Diputados y del Senado.",750.74,756.38,{"idx":794,"utterance_id":795,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":796,"start_s":797,"end_s":798,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},122,"168798","Soy una eterna optimista, aunque ya no puedo darme el lujo de ser romántica por llevar más de 35 años haciendo política.",756.7,762.66,{"idx":800,"utterance_id":801,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":802,"start_s":803,"end_s":804,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},123,"168799","política en mi vida, ¿no?, pero solo con mandato electivo unos veinte y tantos años.",762.96,768.24,{"idx":806,"utterance_id":807,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":808,"start_s":809,"end_s":810,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},124,"168800","Pero por conocer profundamente Brasil, tuve la oportunidad de viajar por todo Brasil más de una vez; digo que soy una optimista realista, una realista optimista.",768.7,779.18,{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":310,"indexable":73},125,"168801","Y tengo una gran expectativa tanto con respecto al presidente de la Cámara de Diputados como al presidente del Senado, de que están dispuestos a dejar algunos legados al final de sus mandatos como presidentes, respectivamente, de la Cámara de Diputados y del Senado.",780.02,794.12,{"idx":818,"utterance_id":819,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":820,"start_s":821,"end_s":822,"word_count":188,"indexable":73},126,"168802","Y dentro de este aspecto, creo que hay algunas medidas que responden al anhelo de la población brasileña.",794.38,799.6,{"idx":824,"utterance_id":825,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":826,"start_s":827,"end_s":828,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},127,"168803","¿Qué es prioridad para la población brasileña?",800.04,801.94,{"idx":830,"utterance_id":831,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":832,"start_s":833,"end_s":834,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},128,"168804","¿La población brasileña está de acuerdo con los super salarios?",802.22,805.06,{"idx":836,"utterance_id":837,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":838,"start_s":839,"end_s":840,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},129,"168805","¿Que alguien gane más que el techo del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",805.1,808.66,{"idx":842,"utterance_id":843,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":844,"start_s":845,"end_s":846,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},130,"168806","¿Que se haga maquillaje contable para incluir ingresos, o en el caso, en el bolsillo del funcionario?",808.72,815.84,{"idx":848,"utterance_id":849,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":850,"start_s":851,"end_s":852,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},131,"168807","que son consideradas una forma de eludir o de violar la propia legislación y la propia Constitución.",816.62,822.6,{"idx":854,"utterance_id":855,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":856,"start_s":857,"end_s":858,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},132,"168808","Medidas como estas, creo que deben avanzar dentro del Congreso Nacional, que nos ayudarían mucho.",822.88,827.7,{"idx":860,"utterance_id":861,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":862,"start_s":863,"end_s":864,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},133,"168809","Se podría decir, pero ministra, ¿esto está dentro del presupuesto brasileño?",827.72,832.86,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":866,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":867,"start_s":868,"end_s":869,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},"168810","Pero eso es lo que Brasil necesita.",833.26,834.58,{"idx":871,"utterance_id":872,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":873,"start_s":874,"end_s":875,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},135,"168811","Tenemos que dejar de hablar solo de números y hablar de valores.",834.6,837.6,{"idx":877,"utterance_id":878,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":879,"start_s":880,"end_s":881,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},136,"168812","Valores no numéricos, valores en el sentido ético.",837.92,840.22,{"idx":883,"utterance_id":884,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":885,"start_s":886,"end_s":887,"word_count":500,"indexable":73},137,"168813","De mostrar a la población brasileña que gana un salario mínimo, y el salario mínimo llegará a apenas 1.630, tal vez con una pequeña variación, porque eso cambia hasta fin de año, que al mirar a ese ciudadano que está ahí se le diga: vale la pena ser honesto, vale la pena que yo trabaje, vale la pena que aporte y contribuya con el país, porque también la gente de arriba da el ejemplo.",840.78,862.54,{"idx":889,"utterance_id":890,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":891,"start_s":892,"end_s":893,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},138,"168814","Entonces, son cuestiones como esas moralizadoras que tenemos que empezar a poner en la agenda diaria de la política brasileña.",862.56,868.98,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":895,"speaker_name":69,"text":896,"start_s":897,"end_s":898,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},"168815","Usted dibujó un escenario de bastante preocupación para 2027 y uno de los puntos son los precatorios que van a la meta fiscal.",869,874.92,{"idx":900,"utterance_id":901,"speaker_name":69,"text":902,"start_s":903,"end_s":904,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},140,"168816","¿El gobierno federal evalúa la posibilidad de iniciar una acción judicial, eventualmente ante el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), para mantener los precatorios fuera de la meta fiscal?",875.56,882.16,{"idx":906,"utterance_id":907,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":908,"start_s":909,"end_s":910,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},141,"168817","Eso no está sobre la mesa del equipo económico.",882.2,884.12,{"idx":912,"utterance_id":913,"speaker_name":69,"text":914,"start_s":915,"end_s":916,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},142,"168818","¿Ninguna posibilidad?",885.24,886.3,{"idx":918,"utterance_id":919,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":920,"start_s":921,"end_s":922,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},143,"168819","Dentro del Ministerio de Planificación, no.",887.34,889.5,{"idx":924,"utterance_id":925,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":926,"start_s":927,"end_s":928,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},144,"168820","Y yo converso semanalmente con el Ministerio de Hacienda; tampoco tienen nada en el radar.",889.56,893.08,{"idx":930,"utterance_id":931,"speaker_name":69,"text":932,"start_s":933,"end_s":934,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},145,"168821","Quisiera aprovechar para hablar del colchón financiero.",893.16,894.54,{"idx":936,"utterance_id":937,"speaker_name":69,"text":938,"start_s":939,"end_s":940,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},146,"168822","cuyos recursos quedan fuera del presupuesto.",895.04,896.98,{"idx":942,"utterance_id":943,"speaker_name":69,"text":944,"start_s":945,"end_s":946,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},147,"168823","¿Cómo garantizar que el colchón financiero tenga recursos incluso fuera de los recursos presupuestarios?",897.08,901.48,{"idx":948,"utterance_id":949,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":950,"start_s":951,"end_s":952,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},148,"168824","Quedaba, ya no queda.",902.08,903.28,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":954,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":955,"start_s":956,"end_s":957,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},"168825","El propio Tribunal de Cuentas ya determinó que es posible usar uno de los fondos, el otro no.",903.48,908.84,{"idx":959,"utterance_id":960,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":961,"start_s":962,"end_s":963,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},150,"168826","Ya hemos asignado 1.000 millones y probablemente faltará 1.000 millones.",909.24,912.92,{"idx":965,"utterance_id":966,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":967,"start_s":968,"end_s":969,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},151,"168827","En el segundo semestre, tenemos espacio presupuestario para sacar de algún gasto y colocar, si hay necesidad —creo que habrá necesidad— ese 1.000 millones que está faltando en el segundo semestre.",913.76,925.26,{"idx":971,"utterance_id":972,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":973,"start_s":974,"end_s":975,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},152,"168828","No es necesario hacerlo ahora.",925.28,926.26,{"idx":977,"utterance_id":978,"speaker_name":69,"text":979,"start_s":980,"end_s":981,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},153,"168829","¿De dónde vendría ese 1.000 millones?",926.38,927.44,{"idx":983,"utterance_id":984,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":985,"start_s":986,"end_s":987,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},154,"168830","Lo vamos a analizar dentro de lo que se está ejecutando.",927.76,930.48,{"idx":989,"utterance_id":990,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":991,"start_s":992,"end_s":993,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},155,"168831","Hay muchas políticas públicas e inversiones públicas que muchas veces tienen licitaciones que se retrasan, obras paralizadas, hubo desistencias, o que por alguna cuestión técnica no pueden ejecutarse.",930.74,943.7,{"idx":995,"utterance_id":996,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":997,"start_s":998,"end_s":999,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},156,"168832","Entonces se quita... Puede ser de un PAC, puede ser de cualquier otro.",943.88,947,{"idx":1001,"utterance_id":1002,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1003,"start_s":1004,"end_s":1005,"word_count":241,"indexable":73},157,"168833","No quiero empezar a citar de qué programa, porque si no, al final el ministro o la ministra me llama y me dice, 'no de mi ministerio, ¿no?'",947.34,955.22,{"idx":1007,"utterance_id":1008,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1009,"start_s":1010,"end_s":1011,"word_count":130,"indexable":73},158,"168834","Pero el equipo económico, de forma conjunta, a través de la junta de ejecución presupuestaria, lo hace con mucho criterio y mucha responsabilidad.",955.56,962.1,{"idx":1013,"utterance_id":1014,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1015,"start_s":1016,"end_s":1017,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},159,"168835","Incluso cuidando de los siete ministerios más pequeños.",962.4,965.06,{"idx":1019,"utterance_id":1020,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1021,"start_s":1022,"end_s":1023,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},160,"168836","Esos son intocables.",965.14,966.2,{"idx":1025,"utterance_id":1026,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1027,"start_s":1028,"end_s":1029,"word_count":27,"indexable":73},161,"168837","Hice una petición que fue aceptada, que los ministerios más pequeños no sean tocados, que tienen un presupuesto muy pequeñito: es el Ministerio de la Mujer, el Ministerio de la Igualdad Racial y el Ministerio de los Pueblos Indígenas.",966.68,976.1,{"idx":1031,"utterance_id":1032,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1033,"start_s":1034,"end_s":1035,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},162,"168838","Esos ministerios tienen un presupuesto muy pequeño, esos quedan preservados, pero tenemos ministerios que, al final del año, raspamos la olla y resolvemos el problema presupuestario de Brasil.",976.36,985.76,{"idx":1037,"utterance_id":1038,"speaker_name":69,"text":1039,"start_s":1040,"end_s":1041,"word_count":241,"indexable":73},163,"168839","Ministra, quería hablar un poquito también del principal proyecto del gobierno, o de los principales, que es el de la exención del IR para quien gana hasta 5.000 reales.",986.16,997.9,{"idx":1043,"utterance_id":1044,"speaker_name":69,"text":1045,"start_s":1046,"end_s":1047,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},164,"168840","Y trae como compensación la gravación de lucros y dividendos.",998.06,1002.3,{"idx":1049,"utterance_id":1050,"speaker_name":69,"text":1051,"start_s":1052,"end_s":1053,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},165,"168841","Solo que parte del Congreso ve esto como una nueva imposición del gobierno, aunque sea para los más ricos; hay cierta resistencia, incluso se presentó recientemente un proyecto alternativo.",1002.34,1014.96,{"idx":1055,"utterance_id":1056,"speaker_name":69,"text":1057,"start_s":1058,"end_s":1059,"word_count":182,"indexable":73},166,"168842","¿Usted ve una salida para esa compensación, es decir, una salida consensuada para agradar también a los parlamentarios?",1015.28,1022.6,{"idx":1061,"utterance_id":1062,"speaker_name":69,"text":1063,"start_s":1064,"end_s":1065,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},167,"168843","Por ejemplo, ¿el recorte de renuncias tributarias puede funcionar, ministra, en su evaluación?",1023.18,1028.22,{"idx":1067,"utterance_id":1068,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1069,"start_s":1070,"end_s":1071,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},168,"168844","Bueno, Tainá, esta pregunta es excelente, la respuesta es sí, puede funcionar.",1032.2,1035.76,{"idx":1073,"utterance_id":1074,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1075,"start_s":1076,"end_s":1077,"word_count":188,"indexable":73},169,"168845","Ahora, lucho por esta cuestión de gastos tributarios desde el primer día que asumí el Senado Federal.",1036.02,1040.62,{"idx":1079,"utterance_id":1080,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1081,"start_s":1082,"end_s":1083,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},170,"168846","Debo tener innumerables discursos en ese sentido.",1041,1043.08,{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":188,"indexable":73},171,"168847","Y cada vez que hablamos del corte de los gastos tributarios, recordemos qué es eso, ¿no?",1043.44,1048.3,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":310,"indexable":73},172,"168848","Para quien nos acompaña, hubo un aumento de la renuncia de ingresos a lo largo de los últimos años, hasta el punto de que se espera que estas renuncias lleguen ya a finales de este año o el próximo a más de 622.000 millones de reales.",1048.6,1065.02,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},173,"168849","Solo para tener una idea, solo necesito el 10% de eso en mi presupuesto para poder contentar a todos dentro de los ministerios.",1065.4,1071.34,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":482,"indexable":73},174,"168850","Y cada vez que discutimos alguna política pública para revisar esa renuncia fiscal, que muchas veces tuvo importancia en el pasado y hoy ya no atiende el interés público, tenemos lobbies y son legítimos; todo el mundo tiene derecho a ir al Congreso Nacional a cuestionar y defender sus tesis, pero de cualquier forma esos lobbies son muy fuertes y no conseguimos resolverlo.",1071.84,1092.96,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},175,"168851","La cuestión es aumentar la recaudación del gobierno federal sin aumentar la carga tributaria, es decir, sin subir impuestos, recortando a quienes ya no lo necesitan.",1093.34,1102.86,{"idx":1115,"utterance_id":1116,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1117,"start_s":1118,"end_s":1119,"word_count":287,"indexable":73},176,"168852","Entonces, el primer punto que quería mencionar: la exención del impuesto sobre la renta para quien gana hasta 5.000 reales, y yo, como la gran demócrata que soy, defiendo la democracia por encima de todo.",1103.88,1113.88,{"idx":1121,"utterance_id":1122,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1123,"start_s":1124,"end_s":1125,"word_count":182,"indexable":73},177,"168853","porque creo que sin eso no tenemos nada; los más jóvenes quizás no entiendan su importancia.",1115.44,1120.88,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1127,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1128,"start_s":1129,"end_s":1130,"word_count":182,"indexable":73},"168854","Como demócrata que soy, siempre entiendo que lo prometido en campaña tiene que cumplirse.",1122.2,1128.42,{"idx":1132,"utterance_id":1133,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1134,"start_s":1135,"end_s":1136,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},179,"168855","Y no sirve después quejarse, decir 'ah, pero habrá un problema fiscal', y miren quién lo dice: una especialista fiscal.",1129.2,1134.84,{"idx":1138,"utterance_id":1139,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1140,"start_s":1141,"end_s":1142,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},180,"168856","Hubo una promesa del presidente Lula de eximir a la población brasileña que gana hasta 5.000 reales del impuesto sobre la renta.",1135.26,1140.88,{"idx":1144,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},181,"168857","Entonces, ni más ni menos, él está en este momento cumpliendo esa promesa.",1141.4,1145.34,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},182,"168858","¿De qué forma vamos a compensar?",1145.8,1147.78,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},183,"168859","Y ahí sí, la especialista fiscal aquí dice: es urgente, es necesario, no hay forma de renunciar sin compensar de otra manera, sin aumentar impuestos.",1147.8,1159.52,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},184,"168860","Eso no es posible.",1159.78,1160.3,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":287,"indexable":73},185,"168861","Entonces, tendremos que crear condiciones de justicia tributaria para hacer que quien no paga —y es otra situación, si no paga...— pague el impuesto que le corresponde, o abordar la cuestión de los gastos tributarios.",1160.74,1173.68,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":350,"indexable":73},186,"168862","Si me pregunta qué prefiero, por justicia tributaria y por la facilidad y por el número reducido de personas que serían afectadas, en el caso del proyecto presentado por el gobierno federal, es la forma más justa de beneficiar a millones y millones de brasileños, entre comillas, a costa de 150.000.",1174.5,1195.76,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},187,"168863","no son ni siquiera millonarios, son multimillonarios, que tendrían una tributación de como máximo el 10% del lucro que están teniendo, no es del patrimonio de la persona.",1196.24,1205.56,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},188,"168864","Entonces, eso, si ya no paga, porque si paga 7%, sólo pagaría 3% más.",1205.92,1210.08,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},189,"168865","Esa es la forma más justa.",1210.72,1212.44,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":72,"indexable":73},"168866","Si el Congreso entiende que no es de esta forma, que va a entrar por el lado del gasto tributario, de nuevo, aquí, alguien que aprecia la independencia de los poderes.",1212.86,1221.86,{"idx":1203,"utterance_id":1204,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1205,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},191,"168867","Es el derecho del Congreso Nacional hacerlo.",1222.74,1225.2,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":252,"indexable":73},192,"168868","Solo que no puedo visualizar esa alternativa como una alternativa fácil, teniendo en cuenta que pasé ocho años allí y tratamos de todas las formas, de alguna manera, de modificarla.",1225.56,1236.1,{"idx":1215,"utterance_id":1216,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1217,"start_s":1218,"end_s":1219,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},193,"168869","Lo único complicado es hacerlo de forma lineal.",1236.46,1240.08,{"idx":1221,"utterance_id":1222,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1223,"start_s":1224,"end_s":1225,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},194,"168870","Diré lo siguiente: voy a recortar el 10% de los gastos tributarios de todos.",1240.1,1243.34,{"idx":1227,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},195,"168871","Porque, digamos, en el sentido amplio, Bolsa Família es gasto tributario, pero es un gasto tributario necesario, que no vas a cortar.",1243.7,1250.02,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},196,"168872","Entonces... Ahí es algo más delicado, pero si el Congreso Nacional encuentra alternativas y comprueba que 2 menos 2 es igual a cero, es decir, comprueba que los ingresos que vendrán serán suficientes para esa renuncia fiscal.",1250.46,1266.44,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":252,"indexable":73},"168873","De nuevo, está en la autonomía y en el derecho del Congreso Nacional de su parcela de contribución respecto a este proyecto, que entiendo que es un proyecto relevante para Brasil.",1266.84,1278.3,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":69,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":339,"indexable":73},198,"168874","Ministra, estoy profundamente agradecido porque usted se haya adentrado en este tema del gasto tributario, porque queda más evidente que hay un consenso de que Brasil gasta demasiado en incentivos fiscales, como usted misma dijo, 600 mil millones de reales, más del 5% del PIB.",1278.56,1293.52,{"idx":1250,"utterance_id":1251,"speaker_name":69,"text":1252,"start_s":1253,"end_s":1254,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},199,"168875","Eso es insostenible a lo largo del tiempo.",1294.02,1295.66,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":69,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},200,"168876","El problema es que siempre que hablamos de revisar el gasto tributario, queda más o menos como aquello de la reforma tributaria.",1295.68,1302.5,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":69,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},201,"168877","Todo el mundo está a favor, pero cuando toca su rinconcito, nadie quiere.",1302.54,1306.7,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":69,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":72,"indexable":73},202,"168878","Para que no dejemos el asunto demasiado amplio —y es obvio que ante las dificultades y los lobbies que se manifiestan—, ¿qué es lo que más destaca?",1307.64,1318.64,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":69,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},203,"168879","en el papel, cuando usted toma los gastos tributarios.",1318.94,1322.36,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":69,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},204,"168880","Existe una deducción del impuesto sobre la renta para salud y educación de la clase media.",1322.82,1326.42,{"idx":1286,"utterance_id":1287,"speaker_name":69,"text":1288,"start_s":1289,"end_s":1290,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},205,"168881","Existe la Zona Franca de Manaus.",1327.28,1328.72,{"idx":1292,"utterance_id":1293,"speaker_name":69,"text":1294,"start_s":1295,"end_s":1296,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},206,"168882","Existe el Simples Nacional, y todavía hay gente que habla, incluso, de aumentarlo, reajustar la tabla del Simples Nacional.",1331.34,1336.38,{"idx":1298,"utterance_id":1299,"speaker_name":69,"text":1300,"start_s":1301,"end_s":1302,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},207,"168883","¿Qué usted mira y dice, esto tendrá que ser atacado?",1337.06,1341.28,{"idx":1304,"utterance_id":1305,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1306,"start_s":1307,"end_s":1308,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},208,"168884","El Super Simples, pero voy a explicar por qué.",1341.92,1344.3,{"idx":1310,"utterance_id":1311,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1312,"start_s":1313,"end_s":1314,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},209,"168885","Primero, el Super Simples corresponde a más o menos el 20% de las renuncias fiscales.",1344.96,1349.18,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":161,"indexable":73},210,"168886","Si vamos a mirar por orden, lo que más significa renuncia fiscal debería pasar, debería pasar.",1349.24,1355.44,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},211,"168887","No, supera los 100 mil millones en renuncias fiscales.",1355.48,1357.58,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},212,"168888","Es una medida sumamente relevante.",1357.98,1360.18,{"idx":1334,"utterance_id":1335,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1336,"start_s":1337,"end_s":1338,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},213,"168889","Estoy muy a favor del programa; voté hace tiempo por el aumento; el último aumento me pareció excesivo, no había cómo destacarlo, voté a favor.",1360.58,1369.76,{"idx":1340,"utterance_id":1341,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1342,"start_s":1343,"end_s":1344,"word_count":93,"indexable":73},214,"168890","Ahora, ¿qué sucede respecto al Super Simples?",1370.32,1372.9,{"idx":1346,"utterance_id":1347,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1348,"start_s":1349,"end_s":1350,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},215,"168891","Hay que tener mecanismos para analizar en vertical si está habiendo fraude en el beneficio concedido.",1373.18,1380.34,{"idx":1352,"utterance_id":1353,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1354,"start_s":1355,"end_s":1356,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},216,"168892","Y lo explico.",1380.48,1381.12,{"idx":1358,"utterance_id":1359,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1360,"start_s":1361,"end_s":1362,"word_count":410,"indexable":73},217,"168893","Como usted no mira el CPF... o incluso el CNPJ, puede estar haciendo que una persona, cuando alcanza el tope del Super Simples, una empresa, diga: '¡ah!, voy a crear otra', con otra razón social, pero produciendo el mismo objeto, con el mismo CPF o con el CPF de la esposa y demás.",1381.9,1401.48,{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":1365,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1366,"start_s":1367,"end_s":1368,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},218,"168894","Entonces, dentro de esa verticalidad, creo que vale el perfeccionamiento de esas renuncias fiscales.",1401.94,1408.58,{"idx":1370,"utterance_id":1371,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1372,"start_s":1373,"end_s":1374,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},219,"168895","Entonces, el Super Simples existe.",1408.64,1410.3,{"idx":1376,"utterance_id":1377,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1378,"start_s":1379,"end_s":1380,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},220,"168896","Tiene que existir.",1410.8,1411.82,{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":241,"indexable":73},221,"168897","El pequeño comerciante, empresario, no logra competir con el grande, no puede competir con China, no puede competir con los productos que entran del exterior.",1412.2,1420.6,{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},222,"168898","Pero no puedo permitir que una persona rica, millonaria, tenga nueve empresas y que las nueve estén en el Super Simples.",1421.4,1430.22,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},223,"168899","Y eso ocurre.",1430.32,1431.26,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},224,"168900","Entonces usted me va a preguntar, Daniel, ¿pero de qué estamos hablando?",1431.68,1434.64,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},225,"168901","No sabría decir.",1435.08,1435.94,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":464,"indexable":73},226,"168902","La Receita Federal está analizando, debe estar analizando esos estudios; es muy reservada, así que ni yo sé lo que hace la Receita Federal, porque de la misma forma que la SOF aquí en mi ministerio, tenemos una gran reserva a la hora de pasar los trabajos a otros ministerios; son dos órganos muy delicados, pero hay que tener coraje para enfrentarlo con una medida simple.",1436.5,1460.12,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":107,"indexable":73},227,"168903","El Super Simples no es poco.",1460.42,1462.08,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},228,"168904","El tope hoy ya es un tope, creo que de 3 millones 600 mil.",1462.34,1465.9,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":105,"indexable":73},"168905","No sé si estoy diciendo una tontería, si es 3 o 800.",1465.98,1468.76,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1437,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1438,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},230,"168906","3 millones 800.",1469.94,{"idx":1440,"utterance_id":1441,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1442,"start_s":1443,"end_s":1444,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},231,"168907","Si usted permite que una sola familia tenga 10 empresas del Super Simples, está diciendo que es una familia con una facturación bruta de casi 40 millones de reales por año.",1470.06,1480.86,{"idx":1446,"utterance_id":1447,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1448,"start_s":1449,"end_s":1450,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},232,"168908","Entonces hay medidas como esas que podrían ser modificadas por el propio Congreso Nacional, lo cual daría un buen retorno financiero.",1481.12,1489.3,{"idx":1452,"utterance_id":1453,"speaker_name":69,"text":1454,"start_s":1455,"end_s":1456,"word_count":113,"indexable":73},233,"168909","Deducción del impuesto sobre la renta para gastos.",1489.32,1491.48,{"idx":1458,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":69,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},234,"168910","de salud y educación, que es un beneficio del que principalmente disfruta la clase media.",1491.52,1495.92,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":69,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":144,"indexable":73},235,"168911","¿Usted está a favor de incluirlo en una discusión sobre gasto tributario?",1496.44,1499.08,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":120,"indexable":73},236,"168912","Daniel, ¿sabe por qué no ahora, en este momento?",1499.1,1501.4,{"idx":1476,"utterance_id":1477,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1478,"start_s":1479,"end_s":1480,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},237,"168913","Porque si no, estaría dando con una mano y quitando con la otra, al menos para efecto de compensación ahora de la exención del impuesto sobre la renta.",1501.46,1508.94,{"idx":1482,"utterance_id":1483,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1484,"start_s":1485,"end_s":1486,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},238,"168914","Estoy eximiendo a la clase media del impuesto sobre la renta.",1509.32,1511.36,{"idx":1488,"utterance_id":1489,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1490,"start_s":1491,"end_s":1492,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},239,"168915","Entonces voy a decir: eximo aquí, pero ahora usted no puede deducir.",1511.64,1514.74,{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":69,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},240,"168916","Entonces queda claro que el foco, digamos, es algo a lo que hay que prestar atención...",1514.76,1518.36,{"idx":1500,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":150,"indexable":73},241,"168917","Creo que, en general, al igual que esto, tenemos otras medidas.",1518.74,1523.68,{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":310,"indexable":73},242,"168918","Hay, por ejemplo, algunas enfermedades consideradas enfermedades raras, ni siquiera raras, sino enfermedades como el cáncer y demás, por las que usted tenía derecho a la deducción; ahora que está curado, sigue teniendo el derecho, entonces quizá debería limitarse ese valor a cualquier persona.",1524.94,1539.82,{"idx":1512,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},243,"168919","Entonces no podría, quiero decir, no debería tener derecho a esa deducción estando curado, estando en el mercado laboral y demás.",1540.04,1546.88,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},"168920","Si analizamos verticalmente o incluso en el análisis de cada proyecto, todos pueden estar sujetos a perfeccionamiento por parte del Congreso Nacional.",1547.82,1557.54,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":118,"indexable":73},245,"168921","Acaba de dar una pista al Congreso Nacional, quizá a la CAI, tanto de la Cámara como del Senado, para que analicen la legislación específica de cada uno de los gastos tributarios y ver dónde se puede hacer algo aquí y allá.",1557.68,1569.2,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":175,"indexable":73},246,"168922","Porque, de nuevo, gente, hacemos esto aquí para analizar la eficiencia del gasto público para conseguir tener 5 mil millones.",1569.52,1576.14,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1537,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1538,"word_count":339,"indexable":73},247,"168923","2 mil millones, 1 mil millones, 500 millones: es el Proagro, es el Seguro Defeso, son los fraudes del Bolsa Família que tuvimos; a causa de la pandemia, en el primer año del gobierno tuvimos la posibilidad de recortar 12 mil millones en presupuesto y pusimos dentro 7 mil millones.",1593.92,{"idx":1540,"utterance_id":1541,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1542,"start_s":1543,"end_s":1544,"word_count":333,"indexable":73},248,"168924","de reales en familias que necesitaban del Bolsa Família, pero aun así sobraron 5; esos 5 mil millones fueron a otras políticas públicas, pero aparte de esos números mayores, la mayoría de los análisis y evaluaciones de políticas públicas que hacemos son sobre valores muy pequeños.",1594.82,1610.96,{"idx":1546,"utterance_id":1547,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1548,"start_s":1549,"end_s":1550,"word_count":168,"indexable":73},249,"168925","Entonces, si no tocamos la parte de ingresos de gastos tributarios, podríamos tener problemas, quizá, y usted tiene razón, al propio final del año que viene.",1611.2,1622.46,{"idx":1552,"utterance_id":1553,"speaker_name":69,"text":1554,"start_s":1555,"end_s":1556,"word_count":72,"indexable":73},250,"168926","Necesitamos cerrar aquí en Bastidores CNN; haré una última pregunta de política rápidamente; luego continuaremos nuestra conversación en CNN Money.",1623.56,1630.92,{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":69,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},251,"168927","En 2026, ¿usted defiende que el MDB apoye a Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva y quién cree usted que será el adversario de Lula?",1630.94,1639.16,{"idx":1564,"utterance_id":1565,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1566,"start_s":1567,"end_s":1568,"word_count":163,"indexable":73},252,"168928","Bueno, puedo responder la primera; en cuanto a la segunda, quiero decir que no lo sé.",1640.24,1643.78,{"idx":1570,"utterance_id":1571,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1572,"start_s":1573,"end_s":1574,"word_count":168,"indexable":73},253,"168929","No sé quién será el próximo, pero entiendo que el MDB... Hasta por coherencia, porque tiene tres ministerios, defiendo que esté en el palco del presidente Lula en 2026.",1644.64,1655.92,{"idx":1576,"utterance_id":1577,"speaker_name":69,"text":1578,"start_s":1579,"end_s":1580,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},254,"168930","Tainá?",1656.4,1656.7,{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":69,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":188,"indexable":73},255,"168931","Ministra, también le agradezco mucho su participación aquí, esta conversación, por los varios esclarecimientos necesarios para nuestra audiencia de Bastidores CNN.",1658.34,1666.88,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":69,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":156,"indexable":73},256,"168932","Simone Tevet, ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto, continúa, por lo tanto, en entrevista en CNN 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