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nuestra invitada, la exministra de Planificación y que también va a disputar el Senado Federal por el Estado de São Paulo.",7.78,20,false,{"idx":14,"utterance_id":15,"speaker_name":8,"text":16,"start_s":17,"end_s":18,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},1,"67635","Ministra, muchas gracias por aceptar nuestra invitación.",7.86,10.24,8,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":25,"start_s":26,"end_s":27,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},2,"67636","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","Soy yo la que agradece.",10.78,11.58,4,{"idx":30,"utterance_id":31,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":32,"start_s":33,"end_s":34,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},3,"67637","Quiero dirigirme a todos los que nos están siguiendo por la TV y por todas las formas en que Jovem Pan llega a los hogares de la gente.",11.64,20.78,26,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":37,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":38,"start_s":39,"end_s":40,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},"67638","Entonces, en nombre suyo, de Bruno, João, Verusca y Ramiro, saludar a todos.",20.9,24.4,13,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":44,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":45,"start_s":46,"end_s":47,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},5,"67639","Muchas gracias por la invitación.",24.5,25.72,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":50,"speaker_name":8,"text":51,"start_s":52,"end_s":53,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},6,"67640","Nuestra bancada ya ha sido presentada.",25.9,27.82,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":56,"speaker_name":8,"text":57,"start_s":58,"end_s":59,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},7,"67641","Perdón.",28.36,28.8,{"idx":19,"utterance_id":61,"speaker_name":8,"text":62,"start_s":63,"end_s":64,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},"67642","Estamos en casa, aquí está el reportero del Metrópolis, Ramiro Brits, y también la periodista Verúzica Donato, y también nuestro reportero de Jovem Pan, João Vitor Revedi.",28.94,42.96,33,{"idx":67,"utterance_id":68,"speaker_name":8,"text":69,"start_s":70,"end_s":71,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},9,"67643","Ministra, quiero ir directo al punto con usted, usted es de Mato Grosso do Sul.",43.48,47.36,17,{"idx":74,"utterance_id":75,"speaker_name":8,"text":76,"start_s":77,"end_s":78,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},10,"67644","Sul-mato-grossense, ocho años senadora por ese Estado y ahora en São Paulo.",47.8,52.34,12,{"idx":81,"utterance_id":82,"speaker_name":8,"text":83,"start_s":84,"end_s":85,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},11,"67645","Vemos algunos análisis internos, tanto por parte de la oposición —nombres que serán adversarios suyos en una eventual campaña al Senado— diciendo que se trata de un oportunismo electoral venir a São Paulo.",52.38,63.14,34,{"idx":79,"utterance_id":88,"speaker_name":8,"text":89,"start_s":90,"end_s":91,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},"67646","¿Cómo responde usted a esa crítica?",63.72,65.12,{"idx":41,"utterance_id":93,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":94,"start_s":95,"end_s":96,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},"67647","Creo que no soy yo quien tiene que responder a esa crítica.",66.08,68,{"idx":98,"utterance_id":99,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":100,"start_s":101,"end_s":102,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},14,"67648","Quien tiene que responder es el elector en las urnas en octubre.",68.06,70.8,{"idx":104,"utterance_id":105,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":106,"start_s":107,"end_s":108,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},15,"67649","Primero, hay que entender cómo São Paulo es diferente del resto de Brasil.",71.48,75.64,{"idx":110,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},16,"67650","Y yo conozco un poquito São Paulo.",75.72,77.18,{"idx":72,"utterance_id":116,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":117,"start_s":118,"end_s":119,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},"67651","Nací aquí en la frontera, me crié visitando todo el noroeste paulista de la región de Arassatuba.",77.52,83.88,{"idx":121,"utterance_id":122,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":123,"start_s":124,"end_s":125,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},18,"67652","Mis abuelos, cuando vinieron del Líbano, llegaron a Marília y a Bauru, respectivamente.",83.96,89.34,{"idx":127,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},19,"67653","Conozco muy bien el interior de São Paulo.",90,91.7,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":133,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":134,"start_s":135,"end_s":136,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},"67654","Mi marido es de Birigui, mis hijas viven aquí desde hace 10 años.",91.74,94.62,{"idx":138,"utterance_id":139,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":140,"start_s":141,"end_s":142,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},21,"67655","Hice una maestría.",94.66,95.52,{"idx":144,"utterance_id":145,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":146,"start_s":147,"end_s":148,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},22,"67656","aquí en la PUC de São Paulo.",95.58,96.78,{"idx":150,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},23,"67657","Hay una historia muy grande, pero no es por eso.",97.2,99.1,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},24,"67658","No soy yo, podría ser usted, Verusca.",99.44,101.54,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":163,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":164,"start_s":165,"end_s":166,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},25,"67659","São Paulo es esa tierra... de las oportunidades, esa tierra que se hizo gracias a las manos y a las mentes de millones de brasileños que vinieron en busca de oportunidades desde todos los rincones de Brasil.",101.94,116.48,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":168,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":169,"start_s":170,"end_s":171,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},"67660","Es difícil encontrar una familia en São Paulo que no tenga a alguien que sea del Nordeste, del Norte, cuyo padre o abuelo vino en busca de oportunidades.",116.88,125.56,27,{"idx":172,"utterance_id":174,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":175,"start_s":176,"end_s":177,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},"67661","Es la tierra que acoge, que abraza.",125.6,127.24,{"idx":179,"utterance_id":180,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":181,"start_s":182,"end_s":183,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},28,"67662","Además de eso, Bruno, yo sólo vine por una razón.",128,131.34,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},29,"67663","Fui candidata a la presidencia de la República, así que tuve la legitimidad para pedir votos en todo el país.",132.06,138.58,{"idx":191,"utterance_id":192,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":193,"start_s":194,"end_s":195,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},30,"67664","Y el estado que, para mi grata sorpresa, proporcionalmente con diferencia me dio más votos fue el estado de São Paulo.",139.36,148.22,{"idx":197,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},31,"67665","No es porque sea el mayor colegio electoral, me refiero proporcionalmente.",148.26,151.22,{"idx":203,"utterance_id":204,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":205,"start_s":206,"end_s":207,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},32,"67666","Entonces creo que São Paulo tuvo... una identidad, una sinergia con mis propuestas.",151.6,157.76,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":209,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":210,"start_s":211,"end_s":212,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":213,"topic_label":214,"target_id":215,"target_proposition":216,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":219,"indexable":220},"67667","Soy una persona de centro, que dialoga tanto con la izquierda como con la derecha.",158.08,161.4,"ideologia-politica","Ideología política","5054b55b-acee-49bc-963f-89ab7b1197d6","posicionarse como una política de centro","a_favor",0.9,"afirma explícitamente 'sou uma pessoa de centro' defendiendo ese posicionamiento.",true,{"idx":86,"utterance_id":222,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":223,"start_s":224,"end_s":225,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":213,"topic_label":214,"target_id":226,"target_proposition":227,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":229,"indexable":220},"67668","Tengo, obviamente, algunos puntos en los que soy más conservadora; por lo tanto, estoy más cerca de la derecha.",161.5,166.96,"a55139b2-0545-4065-9231-fdcf0c8d2147","adoptar un conservadurismo fundamentado intelectualmente",0.88,"declara 'sou mais conservadora' y se aproxima a la derecha.",{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":213,"topic_label":214,"target_id":236,"target_proposition":237,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":239,"indexable":220},35,"67669","En algunas cosas soy más progresista; en mi agenda, por ejemplo, estoy por los derechos humanos con la izquierda, pero soy una persona de centro.",167.02,175.08,"e21edfcc-3425-4db6-af26-6286ec83c1df","identificarse con el campo progresista",0.85,"se asocia con la izquierda en derechos humanos, defendiendo esa postura.",{"idx":241,"utterance_id":242,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":243,"start_s":244,"end_s":245,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},36,"67670","Así que lo trato con mucha naturalidad.",175.44,178.02,{"idx":247,"utterance_id":248,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":249,"start_s":250,"end_s":251,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},37,"67671","São Paulo elige a cariocas, como eligió al gobernador Tarcísio, porque sabe que... y esta es una tierra de gente generosa.",178.1,187.04,{"idx":253,"utterance_id":254,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":255,"start_s":256,"end_s":257,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},38,"67672","Incluso terminaré con una frase que tomé para mí, es plagio.",187.16,190.98,{"idx":259,"utterance_id":260,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":261,"start_s":262,"end_s":263,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},39,"67673","Así que ya estoy diciendo que es plagio.",191.46,192.64,{"idx":265,"utterance_id":266,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":267,"start_s":268,"end_s":269,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},40,"67674","Entonces, por lo tanto, mi querido vicepresidente de la República, Geraldo Alckmin, no me demande por esto, pero Alckmin, que ya fue gobernador cuatro veces... de esta tierra, tiene una frase estupenda, ¿no?",192.68,203.04,{"idx":271,"utterance_id":272,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":273,"start_s":274,"end_s":275,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},41,"67675","Él dice así: São Paulo es la única ciudad o tierra en el mundo donde un japonés habla portugués con acento italiano.",203.48,212.18,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":278,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":279,"start_s":280,"end_s":281,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},42,"67676","Creo que es eso, ¿no?",212.7,213.68,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},43,"67677","Esa maravillosa mezcla que representa a Brasil.",214.4,217.62,{"idx":289,"utterance_id":290,"speaker_name":8,"text":291,"start_s":292,"end_s":293,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},44,"67678","Vamos a conversar mucho aquí hoy y quiero comenzar la ronda con Ramiro.",217.88,220.9,{"idx":295,"utterance_id":296,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":297,"start_s":298,"end_s":299,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},45,"67679","Buenas noches, ministra.",221.76,222.5,{"idx":301,"utterance_id":302,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":303,"start_s":304,"end_s":305,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},46,"67680","Buenas noches a todos los que nos ven.",222.92,224.44,{"idx":307,"utterance_id":308,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":309,"start_s":310,"end_s":311,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},47,"67681","Quisiera saber si su elección por São Paulo también tiene que ver con cómo está ahora la política en el Centro-Oeste, ¿no?",224.86,231.74,{"idx":313,"utterance_id":314,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":315,"start_s":316,"end_s":317,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},48,"67682","Con ese vigor del electorado bolsonarista allí, después de que usted aceptó convertirse en ministra del presidente Lula, ¿cree que se volvió inviable su candidatura en Mato Grosso do Sul?",232.12,240.34,{"idx":319,"utterance_id":320,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":321,"start_s":322,"end_s":323,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},49,"67683","Ramiro, en un primer momento sí lo creía, incluso vi la primera encuesta antes de tomar la decisión de venir aquí.",240.7,245.6,{"idx":325,"utterance_id":326,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":327,"start_s":328,"end_s":329,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},50,"67684","No podemos olvidar, en el estado de Mato Grosso do Sul en especial, que el presidente Lula nunca tuvo menos del 35% de los votos, 38, 39%.",246.16,254.46,{"idx":331,"utterance_id":332,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":333,"start_s":334,"end_s":335,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":336,"topic_label":337,"target_id":338,"target_proposition":339,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":342,"indexable":220},51,"67685","El PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) me buscó y dijo lo siguiente: si usted es candidata por Mato Grosso do Sul, no lanzamos candidato; usted sale candidata sola, tiene o el primer o el segundo voto de aquí.",255.1,264.02,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Casa Civil \u002F Articulación Política","60ced1e8-79f8-48a3-90eb-7db91efacfc2","obtener apoyo de partidos aliados para candidatura estatal","neutro_descritivo",0.75,"relata la oferta del PT de no presentar candidato — describe la negociación.",{"idx":344,"utterance_id":345,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":346,"start_s":347,"end_s":348,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},52,"67686","Entonces ya partiría en las encuestas allí.",264.56,267.06,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":351,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":352,"start_s":353,"end_s":354,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},53,"67687","En las internas del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), partiría allí con un tercio de los votos, más que al principio.",267.5,272.12,{"idx":356,"utterance_id":357,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":358,"start_s":359,"end_s":360,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},54,"67688","Comienzo aquí en São Paulo, junto al hecho de mi identidad de centro, de haber sido alcaldesa y toda una trayectoria allí.",272.36,279.54,{"idx":362,"utterance_id":363,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":364,"start_s":365,"end_s":366,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},55,"67689","No veo que aquí sea más fácil que en Mato Grosso do Sul.",280.26,282.96,{"idx":368,"utterance_id":369,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":370,"start_s":371,"end_s":372,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},56,"67690","Veo, inclusive, que allá serían otros los actores.",283.54,286.5,{"idx":374,"utterance_id":375,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":376,"start_s":377,"end_s":378,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},57,"67691","Vengo con un proyecto de país más amplio.",286.96,288.72,{"idx":380,"utterance_id":381,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":382,"start_s":383,"end_s":384,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":336,"topic_label":337,"target_id":385,"target_proposition":386,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":388,"indexable":12},58,"67692","Cuando hubo una petición del vicepresidente Geraldo Alckmin, de mi partido ahora, y del propio presidente Lula para un frente amplio, porque lamentablemente nos dimos cuenta de que Brasil todavía no ha salido de esa polarización.",289.16,302.76,"426b6558-12ef-40b6-9779-42cea4526279","formar coaliciones políticas al gobernar",0.72,"relata la petición de Alckmin y Lula por una frente amplia.",{"idx":390,"utterance_id":391,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":392,"start_s":393,"end_s":394,"word_count":283,"indexable":12},59,"67693","Y que el grupo al que pertenezco y creo que es un grupo que necesita, de esta cara, ser un grupo... que tiene la capacidad de dialogar, que es un grupo que reúne gente de la izquierda, del centroizquierda, de la derecha y de la centroderecha.",303.4,317.82,{"idx":396,"utterance_id":397,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":398,"start_s":399,"end_s":400,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":336,"topic_label":337,"target_id":385,"target_proposition":386,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":401,"indexable":220},60,"67694","Entonces, tanto yo como Geraldo Alckmin representamos esa pluralidad de frente amplio en el mayor colegio electoral.",318.2,324.88,"afirma que ella y Alckmin representan esa pluralidad y una frente amplia.",{"idx":403,"utterance_id":404,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":405,"start_s":406,"end_s":407,"word_count":231,"indexable":12},61,"67695","Y aquí, no quiero echar la responsabilidad a ustedes que me están viendo, pero entiendo particularmente que, diferente de otras elecciones, hay un dicho que dice así, y la historia lo demuestra, ¿vale?",325.24,334.92,{"idx":409,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":411,"start_s":412,"end_s":413,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},62,"67696","Verusca lo está haciendo así porque ella sigue la política desde hace mucho tiempo, que quien gana en Minas gana en Brasil.",335.76,340.84,{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},63,"67697","Y es verdad; parece que solo una vez no ocurrió.",341.76,343.86,{"idx":421,"utterance_id":422,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":423,"start_s":424,"end_s":425,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},64,"67698","Pero en esta elección de ahora, el colegio electoral que tiene más indecisos, que tiene más diferencia, que tiene más... la capacidad de decidir una elección es el Estado de São Paulo.",344.3,358.82,{"idx":427,"utterance_id":428,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":429,"start_s":430,"end_s":431,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},65,"67699","Minas me parece que está allí, tiene cierto equilibrio, ya tiene cierta... en fin, no sé cuál es la realidad de Minas, pero es la información que yo recibí.",359.18,365.82,{"idx":433,"utterance_id":434,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":435,"start_s":436,"end_s":437,"word_count":325,"indexable":12},66,"67700","Entonces, São Paulo, además de ser el mayor colegio electoral, tiene una cuarta parte de los electores, es donde también ambos lados, o incluso los tres lados, porque sabemos que hay otros candidatos que dicen representar una tercera vía, no creo que lo sean, pero en fin.",366.16,381.7,{"idx":439,"utterance_id":440,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":441,"start_s":442,"end_s":443,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},67,"67701","tiene condiciones de buscar más votos.",382.2,384.08,{"idx":96,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":446,"start_s":447,"end_s":448,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},"67702","Entonces, creo que formamos un equipo de excelencia aquí.",384.12,387.2,{"idx":450,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":241,"indexable":12},69,"67703","No estamos hablando, de este lado, de nada más ni nada menos que cinco líderes que han sido ministros de Estado, o gobernadores, o candidatos a la presidencia de la República, cuando todo eso se combina.",387.68,399.58,{"idx":456,"utterance_id":457,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":458,"start_s":459,"end_s":460,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},70,"67704","Estamos hablando de Geraldo Alckmin, nuestro precandidato a vicepresidente, que fue gobernador, ministro, vicepresidente de la República y candidato a la presidencia de la República.",400,407.4,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},71,"67705","Estamos hablando de Haddad, que fue alcalde.",407.78,410.96,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},72,"67706","ministro, candidato a la presidencia de la República.",411.3,413.08,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},73,"67707","Estamos hablando de Marina Silva, que fue senadora, ministra, candidata a la presidencia de la República.",413.34,417.66,{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},74,"67708","Estamos hablando de Márcio França, que fue candidato a gobernador, que fue ministro de Estado, fue alcalde, y estamos hablando de mi... Gobernador.",417.7,425.08,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},75,"67709","Gobernador, asumió el gobierno, claro, y fue candidato a gobernador.",425.7,429.3,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":265,"indexable":12},76,"67710","Y estamos hablando de mí, que, en fin, soy, digamos... humildemente, en este equipo, pero estoy ahí prestando un poco de mi experiencia, aunque en menor escala que todos esos grandes nombres que están allí.",429.76,445.52,{"idx":498,"utterance_id":499,"speaker_name":8,"text":500,"start_s":501,"end_s":502,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},77,"67711","En el fondo, ¿el punto principal es ampliar el espacio, esa base de apoyo para el presidente Lula?",445.56,451.38,{"idx":504,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},78,"67712","Mi capacidad de dialogar, de hablar así con la población.",451.42,454.66,{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},79,"67713","Estamos en un momento decisivo.",454.76,456.54,{"idx":516,"utterance_id":517,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":518,"start_s":519,"end_s":520,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":521,"topic_label":522,"target_id":523,"target_proposition":524,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":525,"indexable":220},80,"67714","Brasil necesita acabar con esa polarización, pero aún tenemos cuatro años.",457.44,461.14,"polarizacao-politica-e-divisao-do-pais","Polarización política","7515ee6f-b469-4db1-a2b3-734fe7ee9836","reducir la polarización política y promover la unidad nacional","dice explícitamente 'o Brasil precisa acabar com essa polarização'.",{"idx":527,"utterance_id":528,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":529,"start_s":530,"end_s":531,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},81,"67715","Tuvimos cuatro años de reconstrucción; ahora son cuatro años de cosecha.",461.18,465.52,{"idx":533,"utterance_id":534,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":535,"start_s":536,"end_s":537,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":540,"target_proposition":541,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":542,"indexable":220},82,"67716","Todavía necesitamos fortalecer las políticas públicas que fueron rescatadas.",465.86,469.78,"politica-social","Política social","57c08219-1f66-4211-89a7-43f1f5a3d9c4","fortalecer políticas públicas rescatadas","declara 'precisamos fortalecer as políticas públicas que foram resgatadas'.",{"idx":544,"utterance_id":545,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":546,"start_s":547,"end_s":548,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},83,"67717","Tenemos un proyecto de país y lo que está en juego es el Brasil que queremos, no solo para los próximos cuatro años.",470.1,476.34,{"idx":550,"utterance_id":551,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":552,"start_s":553,"end_s":554,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},84,"67718","Es el Brasil que queremos para los próximos 10, 12, 15 años.",476.7,480.06,{"idx":556,"utterance_id":557,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":558,"start_s":559,"end_s":560,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},85,"67719","que eso es lo que está en juego, teniendo en cuenta todo lo que sucedió justo después de la elección y la toma de posesión del presidente Lula en la presidencia de la República.",480.58,490.26,{"idx":562,"utterance_id":563,"speaker_name":8,"text":564,"start_s":565,"end_s":566,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},86,"67720","Ministra, buenas noches.",490.44,492.42,{"idx":568,"utterance_id":569,"speaker_name":8,"text":570,"start_s":571,"end_s":572,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},87,"67721","¿Cuánto contó la parte emocional en su decisión de disputar la elección aquí al Senado?",492.74,498.54,{"idx":574,"utterance_id":575,"speaker_name":8,"text":576,"start_s":577,"end_s":578,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},88,"67722","Digo esto porque una vez estaba en el aeropuerto de Campo Grande; yo vivía allí en Campo Grande, somos coterráneas, yo también soy de Mato Grosso do Sul.",498.98,506.2,{"idx":580,"utterance_id":581,"speaker_name":8,"text":582,"start_s":583,"end_s":584,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},89,"67723","y la vi a usted bajar del avión, ya era ministra, una ministra importante, una ministra del área económica, y la vi bajar del avión, algunas",507.74,517.84,{"idx":130,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":8,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},"67724","personas,",517.9,518.42,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":8,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},91,"67725","no hubo malos tratos ni nada por el estilo, pero la vi bajar muy aislada, su marido esperándola, la vi salir, algo que a veces no se ve con los políticos, ¿no?",519.4,528.48,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":8,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":301,"indexable":12},92,"67726","Y cuánto esa parte emocional... ¿Fue importante en su decisión cuánto tuvo que dejar de disputar allá, porque es un Estado donde se dice que el presidente Lula tiene muchos votos, pero también es un Estado donde el 75% de los electores son bolsonaristas?",528.94,546.3,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},93,"67727","¿Se sintió empujada?",546.58,548.1,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},94,"67728","No, Verusca.",548.68,549.22,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},95,"67729","Bueno, dos cosas que son importantes.",549.3,551.14,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":289,"indexable":12},96,"67730","He vivido toda mi vida así: como soy hija de un político, cuando tenía cinco años mi padre entró en la vida pública; usted lo conoce, sigue mucho la historia de mi padre, y desde entonces soy una persona pública.",551.86,562.14,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},97,"67731","Entonces llega un momento en que eso ahoga un poco.",562.7,564.94,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},98,"67732","Siempre que puedo, y toda mi vida ha sido así, como senadora por ocho años y cuatro años ministra, siempre procuro andar sola.",565.06,571.48,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},99,"67733","Tengo mi fe, así que no voy en coche blindado ni con seguridad, porque tuve que desplazarme así durante mucho tiempo.",572.86,579.22,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},100,"67734","Es verdad que después de la elección tuve que ir acompañada por seguridad, porque fui amenazada.",579.6,583.52,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},101,"67735","Recibí amenazas, no recibí amenazas de Mato Grosso; es importante decir eso.",584.3,588.08,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},102,"67736","Recibí amenazas de todo Brasil, porque la elección fue por una diferencia muy pequeña; quedé en tercer lugar, tuve 5 millones de votos y la elección se decidió por 900 mil votos.",588.72,598.78,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},103,"67737","1 millón y 800 significa 900 mil de un lado, que, al restarlos, vienen para acá.",598.8,602.7,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},104,"67738","Entonces algunas personas me atribuyeron la derrota de Bolsonaro, lo cual no existe; no soy una persona responsable de eso.",603.28,610.94,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},105,"67739","Así que recibí retazos.",611.4,613.58,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},106,"67740","o críticas en todo Brasil.",613.98,615.94,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},107,"67741","En Mato Grosso do Sul, por increíble que parezca, cuando iba a los barrios, a la población más humilde, a la clase media, a la población más humilde, siempre fui recibida con mucho cariño.",616.42,625.06,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},108,"67742","Es que, como pertenezco al agronegocio, el agronegocio que tiene la libertad de coger el teléfono, de mandar WhatsApp, que me encuentra en mi círculo de amistad, decía... ¡Oye, Simone!",625.5,635.38,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},109,"67743","¿Qué pasó?",635.44,636.68,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},110,"67744","¿Por qué eso?",637.5,638.22,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},111,"67745","Entonces, el tono crítico era con respecto a eso.",638.28,640,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},112,"67746","Nunca tuve ningún tipo de constrangimiento.",640.08,643.8,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},113,"67747","Incluso la forma en que aquellos que se entendían, con quienes adopté una posición distinta a la de ellos, se acercaban siempre fue con mucha urbanidad, con mucha educación.",643.86,653.88,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},114,"67748","De nuevo, yo tenía allí una encuesta que me colocaba empatada en primer lugar.",654.58,657.86,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},115,"67749","Era muy parecida, incluso, la encuesta que circula aquí.",658.98,661.78,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},116,"67750","Entonces, eso no fue lo decisivo.",662.86,664.56,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":362,"indexable":12},117,"67751","Si estaba lista para volver a casa en 2022, pensando así en cumplir una misión, tanto es que fui candidata a la presidencia de la República, porque sabía que quería ser una voz, la voz de una mujer, hablando del Brasil que quiero para mis hijos, para los hijos de todas las Marías de Brasil.",665,681.5,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},118,"67752","Estaba lista.",682.26,684.64,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},119,"67753","Estoy lista para servir a Brasil en un proyecto en el que creo.",685.36,688.56,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":213,"topic_label":214,"target_id":770,"target_proposition":771,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":773,"indexable":220},120,"67754","Y el proyecto en el que creo no es el proyecto bolsonarista.",688.64,690.88,"71155d2d-f17d-482f-9022-2d7eae4795ef","adoptar políticas bolsonaristas","contra","afirma 'o projeto que eu acredito não é o projeto bolsonarista' estando en la oposición.",{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},121,"67755","Eso no tiene que ver con ser de derecha o de izquierda.",691.8,693.62,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},122,"67756","Porque, de nuevo, soy de centro y en la parte económica soy de centroderecha.",693.66,697.54,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},123,"67757","Entonces, no se trata de ser conservadora o no ser conservadora.",697.96,700.54,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},124,"67758","Se trata de ser o no ser bolsonarista.",700.62,701.8,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},125,"67759","Es otra historia.",701.86,702.66,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":213,"topic_label":214,"target_id":770,"target_proposition":771,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":810,"indexable":220},126,"67760","Para mí, el bolsonarismo es un ciclo que... un punto fuera de la curva, que coquetea fuera de las cuatro líneas de la Constitución, ya que es el término que a ellos les gusta usar, y representa todo aquello que no quiero para mi país.",703.2,715.02,"critica el bolsonarismo afirmando que no quiere eso para el país.",{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},127,"67761","Así que mientras tenga salud, mientras tenga fuerza, mientras tenga voz, mientras pueda dialogar con la sociedad, presto lo poco, como dije, es un poco de mi prestigio, que es de este tamaño.",715.4,724.68,{"idx":182,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},"67762","Pero para hablar del Brasil que necesitamos preparar para los cuatro años, para los próximos años.",725.18,729.68,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},129,"67763","Y ahí surge un tema, Verusca, así... Porque fui ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto y, bajo mi responsabilidad, estaban el Instituto IBGE y el IPEA.",730.02,740,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},130,"67764","Y aquí traigo una noticia que no es muy buena.",740.62,742.52,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":74,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":840,"target_proposition":841,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":842,"indexable":12},131,"67765","Brasil se está envejeciendo antes de volverse rico como nación.",743.44,748.08,"ea92e411-500f-4ea0-994d-ff5e79bdf93b","monitorear y responder al envejecimiento poblacional antes del crecimiento económico","afirma 'Brasil está envelhecendo antes de ficar rico' sin una medida concreta.",{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},132,"67766","He insistido mucho en eso.",748.18,749.68,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},133,"67767","A diferencia de Europa, que envejeció siendo rica, nosotros nos estamos envejeciendo y todavía somos pobres como nación.",750.04,757.44,{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},134,"67768","Eso es un peligro muy grande.",757.94,759.18,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},135,"67769","Nuestros jóvenes ya no quieren tener hijos, es un derecho de la mujer, del hombre no querer tener hijos.",760.28,765.74,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},136,"67770","Y no hicimos la tarea.",766.58,768.16,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},137,"67771","Tenemos una ventana de oportunidad muy corta que se está cerrando.",768.54,771.3,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},138,"67772","Estoy hablando de 10 a 12 años para hacer la tarea.",771.34,773.9,{"idx":886,"utterance_id":887,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":888,"start_s":889,"end_s":890,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},139,"67773","Eso me impulsa a ser candidata al Senado Federal.",774.54,777.74,{"idx":892,"utterance_id":893,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":894,"start_s":895,"end_s":896,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},140,"67774","Eso me impulsa a estar en el Senado debatiendo los grandes temas relevantes para Brasil y para São Paulo.",778.3,782.96,{"idx":898,"utterance_id":899,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":900,"start_s":901,"end_s":902,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},141,"67775","Podría dar innumerables ejemplos, me quedo con tres muy rápidos.",783.52,788.24,{"idx":904,"utterance_id":905,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":906,"start_s":907,"end_s":908,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":909,"topic_label":910,"target_id":911,"target_proposition":912,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":913,"indexable":220},142,"67776","Las tierras raras son el nuevo pre-sal que se avecina frente a nosotros, que fue el pre-sal para generar recursos, disminuir la desigualdad, la capacidad de poner dinero en el presupuesto para hacer políticas públicas; serán las tierras raras.",788.76,801.06,"terras-raras-e-mineracao-estrategica","Tierras raras y minería estratégica","a271aa08-3489-4f03-b70d-809810349c8c","crear un marco regulatorio para la explotación de tierras raras","dice 'temos que fazer um marco regulatório' para tierras raras e inversiones.",{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},143,"67777","Brasil tiene la segunda mayor reserva de tierras raras del mundo y no tenemos la tecnología.",801.12,805.94,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},144,"67778","Tenemos que hacer un marco regulatorio para atraer inversiones sin... prejuicio de color de bandera.",806.26,811.98,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},145,"67779","No importa si es dólar, si es yen, si es... No importa si la moneda es japonesa, si es china, si es americana, si es europea.",812.26,818.78,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},146,"67780","Tenemos que hacer una asociación con inversores extranjeros, junto con los inversores brasileños, en una asociación público-privada y traer, generar empleo, renta, bajo nuestras reglas y extraer aquí.",819.4,829.72,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},147,"67781","con toda la sustentabilidad que sea posible hacer.",830.66,832.98,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},148,"67782","Entonces, ese es un tema sumamente relevante.",833.36,834.84,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},149,"67783","Tenemos algo que el mundo necesita.",834.9,837,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},150,"67784","Ahí entra en el campo que ustedes, los jóvenes, conocen mucho más que yo.",837.44,840.04,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},151,"67785","Necesitamos aprobar el Redata, que es eximir de impuestos a las computadoras,",840.48,845.88,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":14,"topic_slug":974,"topic_label":975,"target_id":976,"target_proposition":977,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":979,"indexable":12},152,"67786","etc.,",845.96,846.1,"politica-tecnologica","Política tecnológica","688a90e8-b339-4ddb-a941-56d41c643240","aprobar el Redata para incentivar la instalación de data centers en Brasil",0.92,"afirma 'nós precisamos aprovar o Redata' explícitamente.",{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},153,"67787","para tener aquí centros de datos y que todos los datos se recojan en estos grandes computadores.",846.48,853.1,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":295,"indexable":12},154,"67788","En el territorio brasileño, porque eso es una cuestión importante, nuestros datos, nuestra información sobre nuestra vida, lo que está en nuestro celular, está yendo a Estados Unidos o a los centros de datos de otros países para después volver aquí.",853.62,867.08,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},155,"67789","Tenemos condiciones de tener eso aquí, sin la cuestión de agotar el agua de Brasil, con energía limpia, haciendo con ello que atraiga innumerables empresas y generando... cientos de miles de empleos, pero hace falta regularlo.",867.5,884.5,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":1004,"topic_label":1005,"target_id":1006,"target_proposition":1007,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":1009,"indexable":220},156,"67790","Entre otras cosas, tenemos que regular cuestiones relevantes que pasan por seguridad pública, movilidad urbana.",884.92,893.04,"seguranca-nacional","Seguridad Nacional","01da5bbd-b95d-4e0d-a7ac-46d0ef8a3ca8","reglamentar políticas de seguridad pública",0.8,"incluye 'segurança pública' entre los temas que necesitan ser reglamentados.",{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},157,"67791","Entonces, tenemos temas importantes y es una ventana de oportunidad que no podemos dejar pasar.",893.3,898.54,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":1022,"topic_label":1023,"target_id":1024,"target_proposition":1025,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":1026,"indexable":220},158,"67792","aprobamos y elegimos parlamentarios, diputados y diputadas, senadores y senadoras comprometidos en horizontalidad con los problemas de Brasil, o no avanzaremos.",899.4,909.96,"politica-legislativa","Política legislativa","46e62327-09f0-424b-a45c-53802188fc5c","elegir parlamentarios comprometidos con la resolución de los problemas nacionales","dice 'temos que eleger parlamentares compromissados' explícitamente.",{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":259,"indexable":12},159,"67793","Envejeceremos antes de volvernos ricos y pagaremos un precio muy alto que generará en el futuro desempleo, miseria, aumento de la desigualdad social y afectará, sí, a los sectores productivos de Brasil como el agronegocio brasileño.",910.3,924.38,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":8,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},160,"67794","Está bien, Bruno.",924.52,925.08,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":8,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},161,"67795","Una excelente noche para usted, para Ramiro Verusca.",925.12,927.44,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":8,"text":297,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},162,"67796",927.52,928.32,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":8,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},163,"67797","Siempre es muy bienvenido aquí en Jovem Pan.",928.44,929.96,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":8,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},164,"67798","Ministra, voy a empezar a comprometer un poco en relación, porque, claro, hablamos sobre su venida aquí a São Paulo, pero también necesitamos hablar sobre la articulación política.",930.7,939.86,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":8,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},165,"67799","Vemos al PT y al PSB debatiendo mucho entre bambalinas la cuestión de cómo quedará la campaña del ministro Fernando Haddad y también las dos vacantes al Senado Federal aquí en São Paulo.",940.44,951.24,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":8,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},166,"67800","Usted ya tiene esa vaga garantizada, está confirmado ya, inclusive, por el presidente Lula, y ahora la segunda vaga está siendo disputada entre Márcio França y Maria Nascimento.",951.64,959.98,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":8,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},167,"67801","Silva.",960.02,960.2,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":8,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},168,"67802","Recientemente, usted dijo que si se lanzaban las tres candidaturas, muy probablemente la izquierda perdería las dos bancas en el Senado Federal.",960.6,968.42,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":8,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":409,"indexable":12},169,"67803","Quisiera su evaluación: ¿cómo están esas articulaciones y cuál nombre cree usted que podría sumar más, tanto en la vicepresidencia de Haddad como también en el Senado, dado que Haddad ya fue candidato al gobierno del Estado de São Paulo y enfrentó a Tarcísio de Freitas en 2022 y ahora se enfrenta a un titular?",968.94,988.72,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":8,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},170,"67804","Él va a disputar contra el titular, que tiene una gran porción, principalmente del interior del Estado.",989.78,994.2,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},171,"67805","João, esto va a ser una decisión colectiva.",995.26,997.74,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},172,"67806","De cualquier forma, estamos hablando de dos nombres con la grandeza, la experiencia y la capacidad de Márcio França y Marina Silva.",997.8,1005.32,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},173,"67807","Fueron ministros del presidente, vienen para cumplir misión, cada uno tiene, es natural, sus pretensiones y deben posicionarse como precandidatos en este momento antes de que se hagan los acuerdos.",1005.7,1016.76,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},174,"67808","Pero he conversado con ambos y ambos están listos para sentarse a la mesa en el momento adecuado.",1017.04,1021.44,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":462,"indexable":12},175,"67809","Y ese momento adecuado, el equipo de esto es el... del PSB con el PT, yo no puedo hablar ni por uno ni por otro, ni por mi partido que es el PSB, más aún porque ya tengo una vaga, así que me quedo en la posición, tal vez sea la única en este proceso, pero veo por parte de ellos que, aunque se estén posicionando como precandidatos, están listos para cumplir la misión.",1021.9,1042.94,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},176,"67810","Recordando que no solo tenemos la vaga de Senado, tenemos la vaga de la vice, tenemos proyectos a futuro, de una posible reelección del presidente Lula, de componer ministerios, así que veo... Veo que esto se va a resolver con mucha tranquilidad.",1043.54,1056.44,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},177,"67811","Y también veo que todos son conscientes de que solo lanzaremos dos nombres para las dos vacantes del Senado Federal.",1056.88,1063.7,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":8,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},178,"67812","¿Usted ve a la izquierda con cierta escasez de sucesores?",1063.82,1067.46,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},179,"67813","Veo la política brasileña con una escasez de líderes.",1068.18,1070.94,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":356,"indexable":12},180,"67814","Soy de una época, Bruno, en la que la gente se detenía frente al televisor, que hoy sería la red social, para ver hombres, solo para homenajear, quiero solo homenajear aquí a políticos paulistas, pero también voy a citar algunos de fuera, pero sí, ver nombres que ocupaban las tribunas del Senado y una palabra resolvía.",1071.76,1092.74,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":356,"topic_slug":1164,"topic_label":1165,"target_id":1166,"target_proposition":1167,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":1168,"indexable":220},181,"67815","Era aquel caos, se lanzaba una granada en la cabeza del pueblo brasileño, venía una catástrofe... sea externa, sea una crisis económica muy fuerte en Brasil, y entonces la oposición y el oficialismo se sentaban a la mesa, dejaban las diferencias de lado, pasaban las madrugadas, salían a las 5, 6 de la mañana de sus reuniones con el problema resuelto.",1093.18,1116.62,"poder-legislativo-governabilidade","Poder Legislativo \u002F Gobernabilidad","3ff3755e-4cbd-42da-aa93-c34b6b2da2ba","promover diálogo entre gobierno y oposición para resolver crisis","elogia ejemplos pasados de consenso para resolver crisis políticas.",{"idx":1170,"utterance_id":1171,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1172,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1164,"topic_label":1165,"target_id":1166,"target_proposition":1167,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":1176,"indexable":12},182,"67816","que tenían la capacidad de dialogar y tenían competencia para ello.",1116.92,1120.28,0.7,"destaca la capacidad de diálogo y la competencia de antiguos parlamentarios.",{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},183,"67817","Hablo de verdaderos estadistas, sean de derecha, sean de izquierda.",1120.62,1124.68,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},184,"67818","Hoy lo que tenemos es escasez de valores, de personas comprometidas con el interés de Brasil.",1125.16,1130.84,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":241,"indexable":12},185,"67819","Puedo citar a Mário Covas, para homenajearlo aquí para mí, una de las mayores lideranzas de la política paulista, pero puedo hablar de Teotônio Vilela, Tancredo Neves, hombres que hicieron y hacen historia en Brasil.",1131.24,1145.74,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},186,"67820","Y hoy no tenemos, no conseguimos señalar en el Senado Federal.",1146.6,1149.44,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},187,"67821","Tuve el privilegio de convivir, en los primeros cuatro años de la legislatura, con hombres como, por ejemplo, José Serra.",1150.86,1157.4,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},188,"67822","José Serra que, aunque nunca haya sido médico, fue considerado el mayor ministro de Salud de todos los tiempos.",1158.06,1165,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},189,"67823","Y hoy no consigo señalar dos o tres nombres de relevancia que logren hacer proyectos de país.",1165.74,1173.28,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1229,"indexable":220},190,"67824","Hoy usted tiene el Congreso... con muchas excepciones, es verdad, pero un Congreso Nacional mucho más preocupado por las enmiendas parlamentarias, que creo que con eso aseguran sus reelecciones, que por un proyecto que implique resolver los problemas serios que azotan a la población brasileña.",1173.96,1191.88,"orcamento-publico","Presupuesto público","f2db0894-4046-4763-a222-ed3aab9120a2","reformular el uso de enmiendas parlamentarias","critica el enfoque en enmiendas en detrimento de proyectos nacionales.",{"idx":1231,"utterance_id":1232,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1233,"start_s":1234,"end_s":1235,"word_count":550,"topic_slug":1004,"topic_label":1005,"target_id":1236,"target_proposition":1237,"stance":1238,"stance_confidence":1239,"rationale":1240,"indexable":12},191,"67825","Cómo garantizar calidad de empleo, productividad de nuestro trabajador, asegurar que los jóvenes siquiera accedan al mercado de trabajo, cómo garantizar una salud pública decente, permitiendo que el más pobre tenga acceso a una atención de punta, como las personas más ricas tienen, cómo resolver el problema de la seguridad pública, que hoy no está solo en las grandes ciudades, en las grandes metrópolis, también está en los municipios pequeños y medianos, el PCC como organización criminal infiltrada en las ciudades pequeñas y medianas, nada de esto se pone... En las grandes?",1192.32,1224.96,"554b78d9-4efe-4a8b-90b3-63d8efd356b8","reducir homicidios y combatir el crimen organizado","ambiguo",0.6,"pregunta retóricamente cómo resolver el problema de la seguridad pública.",{"idx":1242,"utterance_id":1243,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1244,"start_s":1245,"end_s":1246,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":1004,"topic_label":1005,"target_id":1236,"target_proposition":1237,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1247,"indexable":220},192,"67826","No, además de las grandes, ya están en las pequeñas y en las medianas, lo que es grave, dejando un rastro de violencia por donde pasan, y nadie discutiendo.",1225.04,1233.1,"relata la expansión del PCC a ciudades pequeñas y medianas.",{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},193,"67827","Hay que abordarlo con seriedad.",1233.54,1234.64,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},194,"67828","Así que es lamentable, pero veo que la política está escasa de valores.",1234.98,1240.28,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},195,"67829","Tanto es así que del lado, usted dijo así, ¿cree que es la izquierda?",1240.58,1243.12,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},196,"67830","Del lado de la derecha, tuvieron que encontrar un hijo, el 01, el hijo de un expresidente, para ser candidato a la presidencia de la República.",1243.42,1252.12,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},197,"67831","Y el propio presidente Lula, siendo llamado nuevamente para un cuarto mandato... Por falta, inclusive, de liderazgos.",1252.16,1259.72,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},198,"67832","Entonces, eso me preocupa de cara al futuro de Brasil.",1259.86,1264.26,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":8,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},199,"67833","¿Qué es comunidad joven?",1264.3,1265.36,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":8,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},200,"67834","Quisiera, porque usted comentó en relación a cómo está la política hoy.",1265.4,1269.66,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":8,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},201,"67835","La política... ¿Da pereza ejercerla, o en verdad da pereza debatirla, en su opinión?",1270.56,1275.98,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":8,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},202,"67836","¿Alguna vez fue buena?",1276.24,1277,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":8,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},203,"67837","No, no lo fue.",1277.04,1278.3,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":8,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},204,"67838","Un día sí fue, pero hoy vemos, usted comentó, en relación a las enmiendas parlamentarias, que es un interés principal del Congreso Nacional.",1280,1286.14,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":8,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},205,"67839","Vemos un Congreso Nacional mucho menos experimentado, en verdad, mucho más inexperto en relación a los años 2000, a los años 90.",1286.64,1296.14,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":8,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},206,"67840","Vemos otra configuración del Congreso Nacional.",1296.58,1300.3,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":8,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},207,"67841","Y por eso pregunto, ¿es aburrido dedicarse a la política?",1300.98,1303.08,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":8,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},208,"67842","¿Esta política es más débil en su evaluación?",1303.12,1307.58,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":8,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},209,"67843","¿Puedo complementar?",1308,1308.94,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":8,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},210,"67844","Por favor.",1308.98,1309.54,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":8,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},211,"67845","Usted dijo que había más debate antiguamente.",1309.66,1313.28,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":8,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},212,"67846","Teníamos una polarización.",1313.32,1314.5,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":8,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},213,"67847","Hablamos tanto de polarización hoy en día, pero existía polarización también antes.",1314.74,1318.6,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":8,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},214,"67848","Sí, PSDB y PT.",1318.92,1320.22,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":8,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},215,"67849","Y recuerdo, cuando cubría la política en esa época, vivía en Brasilia, el PSDB parecía estar siempre dispuesto a conversar, inclusive en la figura de Fernando Henrique.",1321.32,1329.9,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":8,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},216,"67850","Él siempre estaba dispuesto, enviaba emisarios, pero el PT era siempre el retraído.",1330.56,1335.4,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":8,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},217,"67851","Siempre estaba pidiendo el impeachment de Fernando Henrique.",1336.2,1338.8,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":8,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":271,"indexable":12},218,"67852","Fue difícil para el gobierno de Fernando Henrique, inclusive, hacer una buena administración sin que el PT estuviera allí impidiendo votaciones, o estuviera siempre discutiendo, que forma parte de la política, por suerte, tiene que haber oposición, la oposición tiene que ser fuerte.",1338.84,1352.24,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":8,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},219,"67853","Pero hoy, lo que no veo es a nadie abriendo las puertas, ministra.",1353.6,1359.82,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":8,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},220,"67854","No hay al presidente Lula diciendo, miren, gente del PL, ¿usted ve algo de ese tipo?",1360.56,1366.1,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":8,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},221,"67855","Miren, venid, Flávio, venid, vamos a sentarnos, hagamos un proyecto de Brasil.",1366.58,1369.7,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":8,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},222,"67856","No he visto a nadie tomar esa iniciativa todavía.",1370.18,1372.46,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},223,"67857","¿Eso es posible?",1372.9,1373.98,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},224,"67858","Creo que, respondiendo a las dos preguntas, no es que esté aburrido, es que es más difícil hacer política.",1374.36,1378.76,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},225,"67859","La política es el arte de administrar sueños.",1379.18,1381.02,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},226,"67860","Punto.",1381.06,1381.84,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},227,"67861","En mi visión, la política es el arte de administrar sueños.",1382.38,1384.58,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},228,"67862","Y fíjense que dije la palabra administrar y no realizar.",1384.98,1387.42,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},229,"67863","Nosotros administramos sueños y muchos de esos sueños logramos hacer realidad, pero no siempre podemos realizar todos.",1387.82,1392.82,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},230,"67864","Desde la década de los 80 hasta los 90, me refiero por tanto al siglo pasado; ustedes no habían nacido, pero yo sí.",1394.08,1399.9,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":362,"indexable":12},231,"67865","Pero en fin, desde el siglo pasado, desde 1990 hasta ahora, con el empobrecimiento de la población, con el aumento de la desigualdad social en el mundo, con la población teniendo más acceso a los medios de comunicación y viendo el lado malo de la política, que tiene mucho lado bueno, pero tiene un lado malo, la población empezó a depositar.",1400.2,1421.94,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},232,"67866","Toda su frustración en la mala política que existe en el mundo y en Brasil.",1422.44,1427.06,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},233,"67867","Y eso abrió las puertas a la extrema derecha en el mundo.",1427.24,1431.02,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},234,"67868","Entonces, ¿por qué es difícil, Verusca, dialogar?",1431.88,1434.28,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},235,"67869","Porque no se dialoga con quien no forma parte de la política.",1434.58,1437.8,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},236,"67870","No forman parte del sistema; predican el antisistema.",1438.34,1441.64,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},237,"67871","Ellos predican que cuanto peor, mejor.",1441.98,1444.04,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},238,"67872","De nuevo, gente, quiero hacer una distinción: no estoy hablando de la derecha.",1444.32,1446.96,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},239,"67873","Estoy hablando de la extrema derecha y, por lo tanto, de una porción significativa de los bolsonaristas.",1447.42,1453.2,{"idx":1531,"utterance_id":1532,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1533,"start_s":1534,"end_s":1535,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},240,"67874","Que no son todos: también creo que hay algunos bolsonaristas que están a favor de la democracia.",1453.5,1458.26,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":8,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},241,"67875","¿Ejemplo quién, ministra?",1458.3,1459.38,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":8,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},242,"67876","¿Ejemplo quién?",1459.86,1460.94,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},243,"67877","Ah, no quiero citar nombres y que después me demanden, ¿no?",1461,1464.44,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":8,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},244,"67878","Bruno, pasemos eso.",1464.48,1465.74,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":8,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},245,"67879","Nosotros que no lo somos, ¿no?",1465.78,1466.52,{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":8,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},246,"67880","No, yo tuve muchos colegas que... Para que tengamos una regla, ¿no?",1466.56,1469.56,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":8,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},247,"67881","Para que tengamos una regla.",1469.6,1471.84,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":8,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},248,"67882","Son mejores, ¿no?",1471.88,1472.38,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":8,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},249,"67883","¿Qué ve usted que no sea tan radical dentro de esa ala?",1472.42,1475.16,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":8,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},250,"67884","¿Dentro del Senado?",1476.94,1477.72,{"idx":1597,"utterance_id":1598,"speaker_name":8,"text":1599,"start_s":1600,"end_s":1601,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},251,"67885","Usted es ministra de Planificación; usted ya planificó eso.",1478.94,1480.46,{"idx":1603,"utterance_id":1604,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1605,"start_s":1606,"end_s":1607,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},252,"67886","No, yo conviví con algunos de ellos durante cuatro años.",1481.2,1484.18,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},253,"67887","Entonces, bueno, sé que... Y ahí, entrando, entonces, enlazando, a la suya ya respondí; pero de Verusca con la suya, Bruno, yo diría lo siguiente: que hay un factor que entorpece este proceso.",1484.24,1497.62,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":462,"topic_slug":1620,"topic_label":1621,"target_id":1622,"target_proposition":1623,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":1624,"indexable":220},254,"67888","Como hubo un debilitamiento de los partidos políticos, y por más que pensemos que los partidos políticos sean malos, no hay democracia y no se avanza sin partidos políticos fuertes. Los partidos políticos fueron sustituidos por el individualismo, el personalismo de liderazgos que con las redes sociales pudieron alcanzar y hacer su agenda, su narrativa, incluso debilitando, a mi juicio, lo que es muy malo, la propia prensa libre.",1498.02,1530.3,"partidos-e-eleicoes","Partidos y elecciones","4bc00a6a-fead-459b-9160-785326beac24","fortalecer partidos políticos","atribuye el debilitamiento partidario a un retroceso democrático y defiende partidos fuertes.",{"idx":1626,"utterance_id":1627,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1628,"start_s":1629,"end_s":1630,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":1631,"topic_label":1632,"target_id":1633,"target_proposition":1634,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1635,"indexable":220},255,"67889","No existe democracia sin una prensa libre y fuerte.",1530.84,1533.74,"cobertura-midiatica","Cobertura mediática","ba05f6b0-d12e-45e6-90db-97a43bb56ed8","garantizar la libertad de prensa","afirma categóricamente que no existe democracia sin prensa libre.",{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},256,"67890","Hoy la prensa tiene que, ustedes mismos saben, competir con las redes sociales.",1534.14,1539.64,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":1648,"topic_label":1649,"target_id":1650,"target_proposition":1651,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":1652,"indexable":12},257,"67891","Y no es la red social de Jovem Pan; es la red social de un político, de un influencer, de personas que muchas veces crean narrativas y venden sus narrativas como si fueran verdad.",1539.68,1552.16,"regulacao-de-midia","Regulación de Medios","67b40fde-a3d1-480f-9b17-eb704c7943c1","aumentar la responsabilización por la desinformación en las redes sociales","critica a influencers y políticos que difunden narrativas sin responsabilidad.",{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},258,"67892","Entonces, se vuelve muy difícil.",1552.56,1553.88,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},259,"67893","Tengo un dicho que siempre repito, ¿no?",1553.92,1555.82,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},260,"67894","El gran problema hoy es que la mentira sube en ascensor y la verdad sube por la escalera.",1556.52,1562.5,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},261,"67895","Entonces, imaginen tener que gastar horas en Jovem Pan diciendo 'no es exactamente así', ¿no?",1562.78,1567.8,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},262,"67896","Y ellos allí, con clics, influencers que tienen 10, 15, 20 millones de seguidores, diciendo lo que quieren sin ninguna responsabilidad.",1567.98,1575.04,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},263,"67897","Y entonces se vuelve muy difícil.",1576.22,1577.62,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},264,"67898","Entonces la política está difícil.",1577.66,1579.24,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":259,"indexable":12},265,"67899","Y es más que difícil; entre otras cosas, no solo por el debilitamiento de los partidos políticos, que, para bien o para mal, aunque nunca hayan sido ideológicos en Brasil, salvo, por ejemplo, un PT que tiene ideología y",1580.4,1592.92,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},266,"67900",1593.02,1593.2,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},267,"67901","pero ellos siempre tuvieron la capacidad de aglutinar fuerzas que piensan igual y hablar en nombre de esas fuerzas.",1593.86,1599.44,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":271,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1718,"indexable":220},268,"67902","Entonces, cuando se tiene el debilitamiento de los partidos políticos, unido a las enmiendas parlamentarias —yo no estoy en contra de las enmiendas parlamentarias—, el problema es tener una enmienda parlamentaria que consume... consume el presupuesto brasileño y debilita al Ejecutivo, sea el que sea.",1599.82,1613.76,"declara que las enmiendas consumen presupuesto y debilitan al ejecutivo.",{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},269,"67903","Sea quien sea el próximo presidente de la República, si no resuelve el programa de las enmiendas parlamentarias, no gobierna Brasil.",1614.38,1619.58,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},270,"67904","Ministra, solo un minutito, aprovechando que estoy hablando aquí con la última ministra de Planificación y que estamos en junio: ¿qué opina usted de enmiendas parlamentarias para la festa junina, por ejemplo?",1620.3,1629.34,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},271,"67905","Muy bien, entonces vamos allá.",1629.8,1630.76,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},272,"67906","Y no solo para la festa junina; digamos, para conciertos, ya sea rock, que adoro, o axé, o sertanejo, que es mi vena.",1630.88,1639.74,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},273,"67907","Yo que soy del interior, del interior, adoro la música sertaneja, aunque sea de la generación del rock, en fin.",1641.3,1646.28,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},274,"67908","Y para mí... Pero hay muchos, ¿no?",1646.66,1650.32,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},275,"67909","Ya miré lo que hay en el TCU: la ristra de conciertos financiados por enmiendas parlamentarias, algunos de ellos incluso con sospecha de desvío.",1650.46,1657.18,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},276,"67910","Me parece genial que una enmienda tras otra me vaya facilitando la vida aquí.",1657.22,1662.38,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},277,"67911","Entonces, además de los partidos políticos... Olvidémonos de las enmiendas parlamentarias: yo soy de una época en la que un senador —me sucedió a mí— tenía 15 millones de reales.",1662.86,1670.46,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},278,"67912","Con 15 millones de reales atiendes al pequeño municipio, entregas tablets a nuestras niñas y niños, reformas una creche, haces atención puntual en los municipios pequeñitos.",1670.48,1680.8,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},279,"67913","Ahora, los parlamentarios disponen de todo el presupuesto libre, de lo que sobra.",1681.32,1686.02,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},280,"67914","Todo el mundo paga impuestos; todo eso se convierte en presupuesto brasileño.",1686.98,1690.46,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":283,"indexable":12},281,"67915","Del presupuesto brasileño se paga el servicio de la deuda, se pagan las partidas obligatorias de la seguridad social, la nómina, se reparte entre los poderes, se paga el porcentaje para la salud, para la educación y demás, la participación del fondo de los municipios y de los estados.",1690.86,1705.58,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},282,"67916","¿Qué sobra hoy?",1705.72,1706.64,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},283,"67917","Algo en torno a, voy a redondear al alza, 200 mil millones.",1707.12,1710.4,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},284,"67918","No, no es así, no es así.",1710.9,1711.78,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},285,"67919","200 mil millones libres no resuelven el problema del Estado de São Paulo, pero es lo que un presidente de la República tiene hoy para hacer puentes, carreteras, infraestructura, en fin, para poder, aparte de los recursos de salud y educación, gobernar.",1711.8,1728.1,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":1827,"indexable":12},286,"67920","Pero ni siquiera tiene eso disponible, porque hoy más de un tercio de esos 200 mil millones están en manos del Congreso Nacional.",1728.64,1736.94,"relata que gran parte de los recursos libres está bajo el control del Congreso Nacional.",{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},287,"67921","Que ya no depende del Ejecutivo para nada ni del partido político.",1737.46,1740.74,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},288,"67922","Perdón, estoy dando toda esta vuelta, pero creo que es importante que la gente lo entienda.",1741.22,1744.48,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},289,"67923","Entonces, eso no solo debilita la democracia.",1744.92,1747.06,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},290,"67924","Eso inviabiliza el presidencialismo tal como lo conocemos.",1747.24,1750.56,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},291,"67925","Pero usted dijo que ya no depende porque ahora cuentan con el voto a partir de las redes sociales.",1750.88,1754.04,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},292,"67926","Tienen a partir de las redes sociales y a partir de la enmienda.",1754.22,1756.52,{"idx":1865,"utterance_id":1866,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1867,"start_s":1868,"end_s":1869,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},293,"67927","Entonces, él vincula a su alcalde, manda el dinero allá.",1756.66,1759.78,{"idx":1871,"utterance_id":1872,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1873,"start_s":1874,"end_s":1875,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},294,"67928","Y ahí viene otra cosa aún más perniciosa que sé que usted no dijo, pero ¿a dónde quiere llegar?",1760.18,1764.9,{"idx":1877,"utterance_id":1878,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1879,"start_s":1880,"end_s":1881,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},295,"67929","¿A dónde quiere llegar?",1765.76,1766.62,{"idx":1883,"utterance_id":1884,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1885,"start_s":1886,"end_s":1887,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},296,"67930","¿Y cuál es ese interés público?",1767.46,1769.2,{"idx":1889,"utterance_id":1890,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1891,"start_s":1892,"end_s":1893,"word_count":271,"indexable":12},297,"67931","Si tengo patrocinio de la iniciativa privada para esas cosas, incluso para la propia cultura y para la música, que yo siempre patrocino porque soy fan, creo que la cultura es vida, la cultura es educación, ¿cuál es el interés público?",1769.96,1783.54,{"idx":1895,"utterance_id":1896,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1897,"start_s":1898,"end_s":1899,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},298,"67932","y qué hay detrás de un parlamentario que en lugar de destinar el dinero para comprar una resonancia magnética en un municipio de 30.000, 40.000 habitantes, que no tiene un aparato de resonancia, ni en la iniciativa privada, no tiene resonancia magnética, entrega ese dinero a un concierto sertanejo —no voy a decir la dupla— que cuesta 600, 700 mil reales, cuando no cuesta un millón.",1783.76,1806.74,{"idx":1901,"utterance_id":1902,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1903,"start_s":1904,"end_s":1905,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},299,"67933","Y entonces usted va a escuchar la tabla; dirán 'ese no es el valor'.",1807.66,1810.08,{"idx":1907,"utterance_id":1908,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1909,"start_s":1910,"end_s":1911,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},300,"67934","Entonces la pregunta es: ¿cuál es el interés público?",1810.16,1812.3,{"idx":1913,"utterance_id":1914,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1915,"start_s":1916,"end_s":1917,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1918,"topic_label":1919,"target_id":1920,"target_proposition":1921,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":1922,"indexable":220},301,"67935","Y lo que... Estamos hablando de un esquema de corrupción ahí.",1814,1817.22,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Gobernanza y corrupción","9335ca64-6ace-4320-9b58-4c4b63b9bb82","cohibir el uso indebido de enmiendas parlamentarias y del presupuesto secreto","afirma que el uso de enmiendas constituye un esquema de corrupción.",{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},302,"67936","Porque de eso estamos hablando.",1817.44,1818.76,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},303,"67937","Hay enmiendas que van —no hablo de todas— y luego una parte de ellas vuelve.",1819.2,1825.36,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},304,"67938","¿para quién?",1825.44,1825.76,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},305,"67939","¿Para el alcalde?",1825.84,1826.52,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},306,"67940","¿Para el parlamentario?",1826.8,1827.66,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1956,"start_s":1957,"end_s":1958,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":1959,"indexable":220},307,"67941","Entonces, estoy hablando de tres delitos que se están cometiendo allí.",1828.04,1830.74,"enumera delitos y efectos de las enmiendas que inviabilizan la gobernabilidad.",{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},308,"67942","Usted impide que un presidente de la República gobierne y resuelva los problemas de Brasil.",1831.14,1834.9,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1969,"start_s":1970,"end_s":1971,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},309,"67943","Se utilizan las enmiendas parlamentarias para sustituir la fuerza del partido, por lo tanto debilitando todo el sistema.",1836,1842.66,{"idx":1973,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1975,"start_s":1976,"end_s":1977,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},310,"67944","Y dando al parlamentario el poder de distribuir dinero sin ningún interés público o sin ninguna eficacia y eficiencia de ese dinero que es nuestro, que es del pueblo brasileño.",1843.64,1856.58,{"idx":1979,"utterance_id":1980,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1981,"start_s":1982,"end_s":1983,"word_count":253,"indexable":12},311,"67945","Y además, con toda clase de sospechas, por falta de transparencia y rastreabilidad de esa enmienda, de sospechas gravísimas —está ahí en el Tribunal de Contas, en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) siendo discutido— de enmiendas parlamentarias que a veces ni siquiera llegan al destino final.",1857.14,1871.46,{"idx":1985,"utterance_id":1986,"speaker_name":8,"text":1987,"start_s":1988,"end_s":1989,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},312,"67946","Es decir, nosotros... Salimos del presidencialismo y estamos en el parlamentarismo, entonces.",1871.68,1874.92,{"idx":1991,"utterance_id":1992,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1993,"start_s":1994,"end_s":1995,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},313,"67947","¿Qué es más grave?",1876.06,1877.22,{"idx":1997,"utterance_id":1998,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1999,"start_s":2000,"end_s":2001,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},314,"67948","Es un parlamentarismo donde... El único que tiene la responsabilidad —voy a confesar aquí, estábamos discutiendo esto antes, que yo fui ministra del presupuesto, él preguntó: '¿tienes nostalgia?'",1877.26,1885.96,{"idx":2003,"utterance_id":2004,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2005,"start_s":2006,"end_s":2007,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},315,"67949","Yo dije: no, ¿por qué?",1886,1886.88,{"idx":2009,"utterance_id":2010,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2011,"start_s":2012,"end_s":2013,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},316,"67950","Porque era mi CPF el que figuraba allí, ¿no?",1887.28,1889.18,{"idx":2015,"utterance_id":2016,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2017,"start_s":2018,"end_s":2019,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},317,"67951","Ellos hacen y quien paga la cuenta somos nosotros.",1889.72,1892.06,{"idx":2021,"utterance_id":2022,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2023,"start_s":2024,"end_s":2025,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},318,"67952","¿Quién asume la responsabilidad?",1892.12,1893.66,{"idx":2027,"utterance_id":2028,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2029,"start_s":2030,"end_s":2031,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},319,"67953","Ellos no asumen la responsabilidad; el CPF no es de ellos.",1894.08,1897.02,{"idx":2033,"utterance_id":2034,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2035,"start_s":2036,"end_s":2037,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},320,"67954","El CPF es del jefe del Ejecutivo.",1897.2,1898.88,{"idx":2039,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},321,"67955","Así que eso es, es un parlamentarismo sin ninguna responsabilidad.",1899.24,1903.58,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":2050,"topic_label":2051,"target_id":2052,"target_proposition":2053,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2054,"indexable":220},322,"67956","Entonces es mejor discutir con la sociedad brasileña si se termina o no con el presidencialismo.",1903.62,1908.12,"governo","Gobierno","94c6e9a1-e15c-42ce-8d2d-348cf45807da","sustituir el presidencialismo por el parlamentarismo","propone discutir acabar con el presidencialismo y adoptar el parlamentarismo.",{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},323,"67957","y se pasa a un parlamentarismo dando la responsabilidad al Congreso Nacional.",1908.44,1912.58,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},324,"67958","Quién sabe, con eso quizás sean más responsables.",1912.88,1915.02,{"idx":2068,"utterance_id":2069,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2070,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},325,"67959","Y de nuevo, quiero pedir disculpas a mis colegas diputados federales, diputados y senadores que son honestos, que cumplen sus misiones; no falta gente competente y honesta en el Congreso Nacional.",1915.08,1925.62,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":1918,"topic_label":1919,"target_id":2079,"target_proposition":2080,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":2081,"indexable":220},326,"67960","Pero me refiero a esa porción, que tampoco es pequeña, que utiliza las enmiendas parlamentarias para sus feudos electorales con vistas a un proceso electoral o... aun más grave, para el desvío de recursos.",1925.9,1939.4,"14da2992-7898-406a-a4f8-b1c7f3bd2899","reformar el programa de enmiendas parlamentarias","acusa el uso de enmiendas para feudos electorales y desvíos de recursos.",{"idx":2083,"utterance_id":2084,"speaker_name":8,"text":2085,"start_s":2086,"end_s":2087,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},327,"67961","Vimos en el Congreso al gobierno de Lula enfrentando una serie de derrotas en algunas agendas.",1939.48,1945.38,{"idx":2089,"utterance_id":2090,"speaker_name":8,"text":2091,"start_s":2092,"end_s":2093,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},328,"67962","Hay una queja de que Lula ya no es el Lula de otras gestiones, que ya no mantiene ese tipo de relación con el Congreso, incluso echando de menos una parrillita en Nova Orada, un partido de fútbol.",1946.24,1956.18,{"idx":2095,"utterance_id":2096,"speaker_name":8,"text":2097,"start_s":2098,"end_s":2099,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},329,"67963","Y usted habla sobre esa autonomía del Congreso, de esas enmiendas, que quedó casi independiente.",1956.86,1961.62,{"idx":2101,"utterance_id":2102,"speaker_name":8,"text":2103,"start_s":2104,"end_s":2105,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},330,"67964","¿Cómo ha evaluado usted esa relación del gobierno con el Congreso?",1961.98,1966.18,{"idx":2107,"utterance_id":2108,"speaker_name":8,"text":2109,"start_s":2110,"end_s":2111,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},331,"67965","y ya poniendo en esa historia la relación con Alcolumbre, ¿que ha ayudado a enfrentar que Lula sufra una derrota?",1966.66,1974.42,{"idx":2113,"utterance_id":2114,"speaker_name":8,"text":2115,"start_s":2116,"end_s":2117,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},332,"67966","histórica en el Congreso, incluso con el rechazo de Jorge Messias.",1974.94,1977.86,{"idx":2119,"utterance_id":2120,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2121,"start_s":2122,"end_s":2123,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},333,"67967","Bruno, primero, el presidente Lula ganó la elección por una diferencia mínima, en un país absolutamente polarizado y con una mayoría absoluta en la oposición.",1978.82,1988.04,{"idx":2125,"utterance_id":2126,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2127,"start_s":2128,"end_s":2129,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},334,"67968","Así que ahí empieza la dificultad.",1988.08,1990.14,{"idx":2131,"utterance_id":2132,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2133,"start_s":2134,"end_s":2135,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},335,"67969","Él nunca se negó al diálogo.",1990.54,1992,{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},336,"67970","Hay un sector, y es cuando Verusca habló sobre eso, de la extrema derecha, que es minoritario en el Congreso Nacional, que se niega a sentarse a la mesa.",1992.3,1999.64,{"idx":2143,"utterance_id":2144,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2145,"start_s":2146,"end_s":2147,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},337,"67971","Basta que sea un proyecto del gobierno de turno para que esté en contra de todo eso.",2000.12,2004.46,{"idx":2149,"utterance_id":2150,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2151,"start_s":2152,"end_s":2153,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},338,"67972","Entonces, dentro de ese proceso, todo eso lo dificulta más.",2004.8,2008.44,{"idx":2155,"utterance_id":2156,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2157,"start_s":2158,"end_s":2159,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},339,"67973","Cada uno tiene su forma de gobernar.",2010.46,2012.22,{"idx":2161,"utterance_id":2162,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2163,"start_s":2164,"end_s":2165,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},340,"67974","Fernando Henrique no era un hombre de quedarse ahí sentado, negociando, tomando whisky, conversando; y gobernaba el país.",2012.28,2019.44,{"idx":2167,"utterance_id":2168,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2169,"start_s":2170,"end_s":2171,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},341,"67975","Ese no es el problema de la gobernabilidad.",2020.16,2022.94,{"idx":2173,"utterance_id":2174,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2175,"start_s":2176,"end_s":2177,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},342,"67976","El problema de la gobernabilidad es que salimos de 22 totalmente polarizados.",2023,2027.92,{"idx":2179,"utterance_id":2180,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2181,"start_s":2182,"end_s":2183,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},343,"67977","dentro del Congreso Nacional y vamos a enfrentar una elección en 2026 absolutamente polarizados.",2028.4,2033.66,{"idx":2185,"utterance_id":2186,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2187,"start_s":2188,"end_s":2189,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},344,"67978","Y que cada vez que intentábamos avanzar con proyectos que venían del interés del pueblo brasileño y de la sociedad brasileña, sufríamos allí intervenciones porque era un proyecto que no podía salir bien.",2033.98,2047.08,{"idx":2191,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},345,"67979","Y doy ejemplos aquí muy claros.",2048.06,2049.54,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},346,"67980","¿Por qué se aprobó la reforma tributaria?",2049.6,2050.96,{"idx":2203,"utterance_id":2204,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2205,"start_s":2206,"end_s":2207,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},347,"67981","Solo se aprobó después de 30 años.",2052.46,2053.74,{"idx":2209,"utterance_id":2210,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2211,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},348,"67982","porque el Congreso dijo: no, está bien, nosotros aprobamos, pero la reforma tributaria va a caer en nuestro regazo.",2053.82,2058.92,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},349,"67983","Quien va a aprobar la reforma tributaria, diremos que la reforma tributaria es un regalo del Congreso Nacional para el pueblo brasileño.",2059.28,2065.48,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},350,"67984","Y solo por eso se aprobó.",2066.16,2067.22,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},351,"67985","Y está todo bien.",2068.72,2070,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":72,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2240,"target_proposition":2241,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2242,"indexable":220},352,"67986","Fuimos al debate, se plantearon muchas cosas y salió una reforma tributaria lo mejor posible.",2070.3,2074.94,"reforma-fiscal","Reforma fiscal","22ef4559-b70f-4b72-ab61-4df47273670d","aprobar una reforma fiscal","defiende que quedó 'a melhor possível' y celebra la aprobación.",{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},353,"67987","¿Es la ideal? No, pero era la única posible.",2075.3,2077.42,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},354,"67988","Y São Paulo es uno de los estados que más va a ganar, porque es la reforma de la industria.",2077.82,2081.34,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2240,"target_proposition":2241,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2261,"indexable":220},355,"67989","Lucho por esta reforma desde hace 30 años, para que vean la edad que tengo.",2081.82,2084.86,"declara luchar por la reforma tributaria desde hace 30 años.",{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":2270,"target_proposition":2271,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2272,"indexable":220},356,"67990","Lucho por esta reforma desde hace 30 años porque sé la cantidad de empleos directos e indirectos, cuánto la empresa, la industria, el sector servicios lo van a notar un poco, hay que compensar más adelante y se compensará.",2085.4,2094.6,"politica-monetaria","Política monetaria","4b1283d5-fb05-4e9a-8b92-403079ac4ebc","aprobar la agenda de reformas y privatizaciones en el pleno","justifica el apoyo por la generación de empleos y beneficios para la industria.",{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},357,"67991","Pero la industria, especialmente la industria del sureste brasileño, se verá muy beneficiada.",2095.06,2100.84,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},358,"67992","Pero se aprobó, ¿por qué?",2100.9,2102.24,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},359,"67993","Porque el Congreso se apoderó del tema, dijo: no, esto aquí es una agenda positiva y la vamos a discutir.",2102.32,2107.28,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":362,"indexable":12},360,"67994","En cuanto... La relación con el presidente del Congreso Nacional, que tiene altibajos, creo que es una relación que todavía tiene condiciones, sobre todo en este año del 26, el año no ha terminado, Brasil no puede parar en la elección, las cosas continúan, y se van a poner en su lugar con el diálogo.",2108.08,2129.7,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},361,"67995","Se le pueden hacer las críticas que sean al presidente Davi Alcolume, pero el presidente Davi Alcolume siempre fue un hombre que baja la tensión, toma el pulso, se sienta a la mesa, dialoga.",2130.66,2141.44,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":1164,"topic_label":1165,"target_id":2309,"target_proposition":2310,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2311,"indexable":220},362,"67996","Creo que si presentamos tres o cuatro proyectos relevantes hasta fin de año de interés de la población brasileña, él puede, sí, ser convencido para ponerlos en la agenda.",2141.8,2153.56,"7330590c-9b0d-420e-b5cd-ce06ab4566cc","presentar y negociar proyectos relevantes para su inclusión en la agenda del Congreso Nacional","propone presentar proyectos relevantes para convencer al presidente del Congreso Nacional.",{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":8,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},363,"67997","Usted ya lo conoce muy bien.",2153.6,2154.84,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":8,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},364,"67998","¿Qué faltó?",2155.28,2156.04,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":8,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},365,"67999","¿No fue escuchado?",2156.08,2156.86,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":8,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},366,"68000","¿No fue atendido?",2157.24,2158.22,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":8,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},367,"68001","¿Por qué esta relación llegó a tan...",2158.6,2159.98,{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":8,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},368,"68002","Voy a aprovechar, ya que usted elogió y que estamos haciendo preguntas una tras otra.",2160.5,2165.32,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":8,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},369,"68003","Voy a aprovechar la historia de la PEC del fin de la escala 6x1.",2165.62,2168.62,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":8,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2360,"topic_label":2361,"target_id":2362,"target_proposition":2363,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2364,"indexable":220},370,"68004","Llegó allí desde la Cámara, él podría haberla puesto directamente en la CCJ, porque sabemos.",2169.62,2175.02,"processo-legislativo","Proceso legislativo","2508d18d-6d2f-4a2f-b58e-55ac0bab1cca","poner la PEC de la escala 6x1 en la agenda de la CCJ","sugiere que el proyecto 'poderia ter colocado direto na CCJ'.",{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":8,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":265,"topic_slug":2360,"topic_label":2361,"target_id":2362,"target_proposition":2363,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2371,"indexable":220},371,"68005","que la otra PEC, la de Rogério Marinho, fue colocada en la CCJ, y, sin embargo, la PEC de la escala 6x1 será discutida el martes con los líderes y con el presidente de la CCJ, para ver si será puesta allí.",2175.08,2188.26,"relata comparación entre PECs y la tramitación en la CCJ.",{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":8,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2378,"topic_label":2379,"target_id":2380,"target_proposition":2381,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":2382,"indexable":12},372,"68006","Entonces, falta diálogo del gobierno con Davi Alcolumbre.",2189,2193.12,"relacao-executivo-congresso-e-tramitacao-de-propostas","Relación Ejecutivo-Congreso y tramitación de propuestas","33921697-e05b-40f2-9833-1b41ab9c7cac","establecer diálogo entre el gobierno y el presidente del Senado sobre pautas legislativas","afirma 'está faltando diálogo' entre el gobierno y Davi Alcolumbre.",{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":2393,"indexable":12},373,"68007","Y es una agenda de interés popular, ministra.",2193.22,2194.84,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","Relaciones Internacionales \u002F Trabajo","f67697cf-1bf4-4265-bfd0-08d59fefc47e","acabar con la escala seis por uno sin reducción salarial","dice que es 'pauta de interesse popular' sin detallar la propuesta.",{"idx":2395,"utterance_id":2396,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2397,"start_s":2398,"end_s":2399,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},374,"68008","Voy a decir que conozco bien a Davi, fui colega suyo hace ocho años, y dialogaba mucho con él, mucho con él.",2194.88,2202.38,{"idx":2401,"utterance_id":2402,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2403,"start_s":2404,"end_s":2405,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},375,"68009","Cuando era necesario, dialogaba de forma firme.",2203.08,2205.56,{"idx":2407,"utterance_id":2408,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2409,"start_s":2410,"end_s":2411,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},376,"68010","Y él siempre me respetó por eso.",2205.9,2207.36,{"idx":2413,"utterance_id":2414,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2415,"start_s":2416,"end_s":2417,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},377,"68011","Porque no siempre coincidíamos o él no concordaba conmigo.",2207.78,2210.52,{"idx":2419,"utterance_id":2420,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2421,"start_s":2422,"end_s":2423,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},378,"68012","Y discutíamos y luego todo quedaba bien.",2210.58,2213.76,{"idx":2425,"utterance_id":2426,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2427,"start_s":2428,"end_s":2429,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},379,"68013","Davi también asumió, como presidente de la cámara, hoy él tiene la conciencia de que es presidente de una cámara absolutamente polarizada y dividida.",2215.28,2222.2,{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},380,"68014","Entonces, cuando recibió el proyecto de la escala 6x1, me imagino lo que debe haber pasado.",2222.72,2226.7,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},381,"68015","Debe de haber ocurrido con la siguiente presión.",2226.76,2228.24,{"idx":2443,"utterance_id":2444,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2445,"start_s":2446,"end_s":2447,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},382,"68016","De un lado... pauta inmediatamente y va a la CCJ.",2228.62,2231.52,{"idx":2449,"utterance_id":2450,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2451,"start_s":2452,"end_s":2453,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},383,"68017","Por otro lado, no queremos aprobar la escala 6x1 ahora, porque eso va a impactar positivamente la elección del presidente Lula.",2232.18,2238.68,{"idx":2455,"utterance_id":2456,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2457,"start_s":2458,"end_s":2459,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},384,"68018","No tengo duda de que eso ocurrió.",2238.74,2240.04,{"idx":2461,"utterance_id":2462,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2463,"start_s":2464,"end_s":2465,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},385,"68019","Él puede incluso negarlo, pero tengo la convicción de que eso fue lo que pasó.",2240.44,2244.52,{"idx":2467,"utterance_id":2468,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2469,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},386,"68020","Puedo estar equivocada.",2244.74,2245.66,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},387,"68021","Él, como presidente que es, sabiendo que la cámara está dividida, dijo: voy a esperar una semana, que se asiente el polvo.",2246.18,2253.26,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},388,"68022","Como es una discusión seria... Hay un clamor de la sociedad, lo voy a llevar a la próxima reunión de líderes.",2253.6,2258.9,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},389,"68023","Y la próxima reunión de líderes, una semana después, está ocurriendo esta semana.",2259.02,2262.76,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},390,"68024","No sé si será mañana o el miércoles.",2263.08,2264.46,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},391,"68025","Para ser discutida mañana.",2266.02,2267.12,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},392,"68026","Porque él también preside una cámara absolutamente polarizada.",2267.8,2272.9,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},393,"68027","Y no puedo creer que el Senado vaya a poder resistir la presión popular.",2273.3,2283.36,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2520,"rationale":2521,"indexable":220},394,"68028","Porque la escala seis por uno, gente, queramos o no, es una realidad.",2283.88,2288.14,0.95,"afirma 'ela tem que ser uma realidade', defendiendo la medida.",{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},395,"68029","Tiene que ser una realidad.",2288.74,2289.88,{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":8,"text":2531,"start_s":2532,"end_s":2533,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},396,"68030","¿Y se aprueba antes de las elecciones, en su opinión?",2289.94,2291.92,{"idx":2535,"utterance_id":2536,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2537,"start_s":2538,"end_s":2539,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2540,"indexable":220},397,"68031","Ah, creo que se aprobará antes de las elecciones, porque si no recaerá sobre los senadores el costo político-electoral de la no aprobación.",2293.04,2300.6,"declara creer que será aprobada antes de las elecciones.",{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2547,"indexable":220},398,"68032","Y yo hice un estudio antes con el IPEA.",2301.46,2303.5,"presenta un estudio del IPEA que respalda el fin de la escala 6x1.",{"idx":2549,"utterance_id":2550,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2551,"start_s":2552,"end_s":2553,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2554,"indexable":220},399,"68033","Después hice que ese estudio llegara a manos del presidente Lula, donde planteamos lo siguiente: primero, Brasil no se acaba con el fin de la escala 6x1.",2304,2312.18,"minimiza los impactos y defiende el fin de la escala 6x1.",{"idx":459,"utterance_id":2556,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2557,"start_s":2558,"end_s":2559,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},"68034","Segundo, sectores, la mayoría de los sectores no se ven afectados.",2313.06,2317.16,{"idx":2561,"utterance_id":2562,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2563,"start_s":2564,"end_s":2565,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":2566,"target_proposition":2567,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2568,"indexable":220},401,"68035","El agronegocio brasileño tiene un impacto del 1%, porque los costos del agronegocio ya no son con personal, está todo mecanizado.",2317.28,2325.94,"c26bae29-6f2a-48b6-93ca-74d011c2f1a5","proporcionar apoyo del Estado a sectores perjudicados por el cambio de la escala 6x1","afirma que la industria necesitará apoyo del Estado.",{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},402,"68036","La agroindustria, de la misma manera, tiene un impacto pequeño.",2326.84,2329.9,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},403,"68037","La industria depende del sector y va a necesitar el apoyo del Estado.",2330.74,2334.66,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},404,"68038","Y para eso viene el Estado.",2334.72,2335.86,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},405,"68039","El Estado es un impulsor del desarrollo y cuando es necesario, ¿por qué existen las renuncias fiscales, los subsidios, los gastos tributarios?",2336.04,2342.78,{"idx":2594,"utterance_id":2595,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2596,"start_s":2597,"end_s":2598,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},406,"68040","Para que se pueda fomentar el desarrollo de sectores que se verán perjudicados ya sea por factores externos o por la propia legislación.",2343.16,2349.76,{"idx":2600,"utterance_id":2601,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2602,"start_s":2603,"end_s":2604,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":2566,"target_proposition":2567,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":2605,"indexable":220},407,"68041","Quien realmente lo sufre y va a necesitar un apoyo mayor, y que puede darse sin ningún costo fiscal por ello, es el sector de servicios.",2350.3,2358.6,"indica que el sector de servicios necesitará mayor apoyo del Estado.",{"idx":2607,"utterance_id":2608,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2609,"start_s":2610,"end_s":2611,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},408,"68042","Fuera de eso, gente, al contrario.",2359.12,2361.2,{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2615,"start_s":2616,"end_s":2617,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2618,"indexable":220},409,"68043","Eso va a dar una ganancia de productividad para el trabajador, va a tener escala, es un trabajador que trabaja más feliz, se tiene un costo menor con la salud pública después.",2361.74,2371.84,"argumenta ganancias de productividad y reducción de costos en salud.",{"idx":2620,"utterance_id":2621,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2622,"start_s":2623,"end_s":2624,"word_count":396,"indexable":12},410,"68044","En fin, el estudio fue muy bien hecho y creo que sería interesante incluso que Jovem Pan, de repente, trajera especialistas y ese estudio al debate, incluso con el presidente del IPEA y con alguien que sea contrario, para tener un debate sano, democrático, para no quedarnos en aquello de 'estoy a favor o estoy en contra', sin ningún, pues, miedo, ¿no?",2372.24,2389.14,{"idx":2626,"utterance_id":2627,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2628,"start_s":2629,"end_s":2630,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},411,"68045","Creo que tenemos que quitar el miedo.",2389.28,2390.66,{"idx":2632,"utterance_id":2633,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2634,"start_s":2635,"end_s":2636,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},412,"68046","Del sector productivo, yo represento al sector productivo.",2390.98,2393.06,{"idx":2638,"utterance_id":2639,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2640,"start_s":2641,"end_s":2642,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},413,"68047","Así que, pues, tengo mucho cuidado cuando trato este asunto.",2393.44,2395.74,{"idx":2644,"utterance_id":2645,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2646,"start_s":2647,"end_s":2648,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2649,"indexable":220},414,"68048","Pero fui la primera en una emisora competidora de Jovem Pan, en una entrevista que di, allá en los inicios del gobierno, a decir así: el fin de la escala 6x1 sin reducción salarial está maduro para ser discutido en Brasil.",2396,2411.04,"declara que el fin de la escala 6x1 sin reducir salarios está maduro.",{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},415,"68049","Ese es un paso fundamental, incluso para pasar al otro, que es lo que el sector productivo más quiere.",2411.78,2416.48,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},416,"68050","Aprobado el fin de la escala 6x1, hay un asunto que interesa al sector productivo, al agro, a la agroindustria, al sector del comercio, al mayorista, minorista, al sector servicios y a la industria,",2416.98,2426.82,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":8,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},417,"68051","que es",2427.14,2427.36,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":2674,"topic_label":2675,"target_id":2676,"target_proposition":2677,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2678,"indexable":220},418,"68052","de qué forma vamos a transformar al trabajador brasileño tan productivo como el trabajador de Europa, de Estados Unidos, lo que significa cualificar a ese trabajador en un amplio proyecto para que él tenga, inclusive, no solo... el empleador obtenga mayor beneficio, sino que el propio trabajador consiga con ello mejores salarios.",2427.7,2448.42,"educacao-e-capacitacao-profissional","Educación y capacitación profesional","1dad33c3-5966-4e0a-bbae-24f3d0f352b0","implementar un amplio programa de cualificación profesional","propone capacitar a los trabajadores para aumentar la productividad nacional.",{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":8,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},419,"68053","Ramiro, por favor.",2449.2,2449.7,{"idx":2686,"utterance_id":2687,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2688,"start_s":2689,"end_s":2690,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},420,"68054","Ministro, aquí estamos hablando de la relación del gobierno con el Congreso, victorias y derrotas del gobierno Lula.",2450.18,2455.18,{"idx":2692,"utterance_id":2693,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2694,"start_s":2695,"end_s":2696,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2697,"target_proposition":2698,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2699,"indexable":220},421,"68055","Quisiera recordar una victoria del gobierno en el Congreso, que tiene que ver también con el equipo económico, antes de que el gobierno empezara, que fue la aprobación del marco fiscal.",2455.62,2462.94,"efb726c9-bd51-4f7d-bd00-d7761664e05d","aprobar el marco fiscal","describe la aprobación del marco fiscal como victoria del gobierno.",{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},422,"68056","Aunque el marco fiscal fue aprobado, ahora quiero hablar de economía, la visita pública en el gobierno Lula... Fue creciente, ¿no?",2463.7,2471.18,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},423,"68057","Y según los economistas del FMI, si no se hace nada, continuará como está.",2471.4,2475.3,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},424,"68058","Quisiera saber qué pasó para que llegáramos a este punto y qué tiene que hacer el próximo gobierno para que esta deuda pública cambie, ¿no?",2475.38,2482.78,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},425,"68059","Que baje.",2483.5,2483.74,{"idx":2725,"utterance_id":2726,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2727,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},426,"68060","Intentaré ser lo más concisa posible en esta pregunta, porque creo que a partir de ahí también ustedes querrán elaborar y desarrollar otras preguntas.",2484.7,2492.28,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},427,"68061","Vamos.",2493.62,2494,{"idx":2737,"utterance_id":2738,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2739,"start_s":2740,"end_s":2741,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},428,"68062","Fue bueno que usted lo haya dicho.",2494.5,2495.54,{"idx":2743,"utterance_id":2744,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2745,"start_s":2746,"end_s":2747,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},429,"68063","Aumentó la deuda pública, pero no el déficit.",2495.74,2498.32,{"idx":2749,"utterance_id":2750,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2751,"start_s":2752,"end_s":2753,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},430,"68064","El arcabouço fiscal, aunque para muchos flojo, fue el arcabouço fiscal posible pospandemia y tras el derroche que hubo a causa de la pandemia.",2498.8,2509.54,{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},431,"68065","Yo estaba allí.",2509.82,2510.32,{"idx":2761,"utterance_id":2762,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2763,"start_s":2764,"end_s":2765,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},432,"68066","Y puedo hablar porque yo voté.",2511.02,2512.14,{"idx":2767,"utterance_id":2768,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2769,"start_s":2770,"end_s":2771,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},433,"68067","En la pandemia, tuvimos un momento tan excepcional en nuestras vidas, que no sabíamos ni si íbamos a salir vivos de allí, que empezamos a gastar.",2512.64,2522.22,{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},434,"68068","incluso de forma sin planificación, porque en el gobierno pasado no había Ministerio de Planificación, entonces de forma absolutamente ineficiente con recursos públicos.",2522.96,2532.98,{"idx":2779,"utterance_id":2780,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2781,"start_s":2782,"end_s":2783,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},435,"68069","Tuvimos en el primer año del gobierno del presidente Lula que reposicionar todo.",2533.3,2536.76,{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2790,"target_proposition":2791,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":2793,"indexable":220},436,"68070","Tuvimos que aprobar una PEC, que yo llamo la PEC del derroche, para reponer políticas públicas que no existían, pero creamos un límite que fue muy inteligente.",2537.12,2545.38,"79607485-0c60-4fba-b2e6-e23c5a5883c3","aprobar PEC para recomponer políticas públicas pospandemia",0.78,"reclama la aprobación de 'PEC da gastança' como acción realizada.",{"idx":2795,"utterance_id":2796,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2797,"start_s":2798,"end_s":2799,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},437,"68071","Creo que al final el fiscal es inteligente por partida doble.",2545.42,2548.38,{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},438,"68072","Dijo lo siguiente: cuanto más aumente la recaudación, más aumenta la posibilidad de gastos.",2549.14,2554.68,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2812,"target_proposition":2813,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":2814,"indexable":220},439,"68073","Pero yo aumento la posibilidad de gastos en el 70% del aumento de la recaudación.",2554.78,2559.68,"20b7853d-0c8f-4fdd-bfdb-c74dec00fbeb","limitar el crecimiento del gasto público al 70% del aumento de los ingresos","defiende la regla que limita el gasto al 70% del aumento de la recaudación.",{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},440,"68074","Ahí comienza la primera forma de reducir el déficit primario de Brasil.",2560.28,2565.14,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},441,"68075","Y además tengo el límite máximo de crecimiento del gasto en 2,5%, aunque el PIB brasileño crezca 3, 3,5% y todo eso.",2565.6,2572.26,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},442,"68076","En fin, esa ingeniería.",2572.68,2573.64,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},443,"68077","Pero usted tiene... y no fue excepción el gobierno pasado, en este no va a ser excepción.",2574.2,2579.24,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},444,"68078","en el otro, usted tiene situaciones externas.",2579.3,2581.26,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},445,"68079","Situaciones externas que nos pillan con los pantalones bajos.",2581.66,2584.06,{"idx":2852,"utterance_id":2853,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2854,"start_s":2855,"end_s":2856,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},446,"68080","Tuvimos efectos climáticos, como el caso de Rio Grande do Sul, donde tuvimos que crear créditos extraordinarios, y eso está permitido en la Constitución, así que ahí van algunos miles de millones.",2584.56,2595,{"idx":2858,"utterance_id":2859,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2860,"start_s":2861,"end_s":2862,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},447,"68081","Tuvimos, al inicio del gobierno, creo que en el primer o segundo año, la guerra de Ucrania con Rusia.",2595.36,2603.08,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},448,"68082","Y entonces, ¿qué tiene eso que ver si está al otro lado del mundo?",2603.78,2605.94,{"idx":2870,"utterance_id":2871,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2872,"start_s":2873,"end_s":2874,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},449,"68083","Afectó de lleno al sector que más... genera balanza comercial, que es hoy el sector que mueve la economía en Brasil, que es el sector del agronegocio y de la agroindustria.",2606.06,2617.14,{"idx":2876,"utterance_id":2877,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2878,"start_s":2879,"end_s":2880,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},450,"68084","Entonces, eso tuvo un impacto, un costo, un costo incluso para nosotros; ya no somos productores, no producimos más fertilizantes, que ese es otro capítulo que necesitamos retomar.",2617.66,2629.04,{"idx":2882,"utterance_id":2883,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2884,"start_s":2885,"end_s":2886,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":2889,"target_proposition":2890,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2891,"indexable":220},451,"68085","Brasil tiene todo para volver a producir fertilizantes.",2629.12,2631.9,"politica-comercial","Política comercial","1d93c8d6-0de7-4e73-8a33-3c7adf821c0e","retomar la producción nacional de urea y fertilizantes","afirma que Brasil tiene todo para volver a producir fertilizantes.",{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2895,"start_s":2896,"end_s":2897,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},452,"68086","En el pasado, producíamos el 50% de todos los fertilizantes que necesitábamos.",2632.18,2636.52,{"idx":2899,"utterance_id":2900,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2901,"start_s":2902,"end_s":2903,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},453,"68087","Hoy no producimos ni el 20%, no solo porque el agronegocio creció en producción, sino porque nos desindustrializamos.",2637.06,2645.02,{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":8,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},454,"68088","Es una dependencia con Rusia, ¿no?",2645.06,2646.5,{"idx":2911,"utterance_id":2912,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2913,"start_s":2914,"end_s":2915,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2916,"topic_label":2917,"target_id":2918,"target_proposition":2919,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2920,"indexable":220},455,"68089","Sí, y Petrobras tiene la responsabilidad de invertir también, se lo reclamo mucho a Petrobras.",2646.84,2651.94,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Política industrial y energética","d3b53e6d-5b6d-464d-b5cc-3e8d923fa325","aumentar la inversión de Petrobras en refino y producción nacional de fertilizantes","exige directamente que Petrobras invierta en refinación y fertilizantes.",{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},456,"68090","Por cierto, hay industria allí en tu tierra.",2652,2654.06,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},457,"68091","Hay una en Três Lagos, a la que fui alcaldesa y llevé, doné el terreno para Petrobras, se paralizó.",2654.14,2659,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},458,"68092","en la época de la Lava Jato y ahora queda Petrobras en esa discusión.",2659.9,2664.16,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":8,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},459,"68093","Dice que la va a retomar, ¿no?",2664.2,2665.04,{"idx":2946,"utterance_id":2947,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2948,"start_s":2949,"end_s":2950,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":2889,"target_proposition":2890,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":2951,"indexable":220},460,"68094","Ya está casi para dar la orden de servicio de la fábrica y duplicará la producción de fertilizantes estrogenados en Brasil, una sola fábrica.",2665.36,2671.9,"informa que la orden de servicio de la fábrica está próxima y duplicará la producción.",{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":8,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},461,"68095","Esa es de Três Lagos.",2672.18,2672.98,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2955,"start_s":2961,"end_s":2962,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},462,"68096",2673.06,2673.82,{"idx":2964,"utterance_id":2965,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2966,"start_s":2967,"end_s":2968,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},463,"68097","Entonces, di la vuelta, pero volveré aquí.",2674.04,2676.02,{"idx":2970,"utterance_id":2971,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2972,"start_s":2973,"end_s":2974,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},464,"68098","Tuvimos la guerra de Ucrania, que desequilibró.",2676.06,2680.32,{"idx":2976,"utterance_id":2977,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2978,"start_s":2979,"end_s":2980,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},465,"68099","Después... Tuvimos la cuestión de Israel con Palestina, llegando ahora, incluso, aquí al Líbano, de mis parientes, soy nieta de libaneses, y Oriente Medio con la guerra con Irán.",2680.94,2701.74,{"idx":2982,"utterance_id":2983,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2984,"start_s":2985,"end_s":2986,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},466,"68100","Entonces, eso no lo digo solo por efectos climáticos, como Rio Grande do Sul, sino que hablo de una serie de situaciones.",2702.26,2707.8,{"idx":2988,"utterance_id":2989,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2990,"start_s":2991,"end_s":2992,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},467,"68101","Además de todas las situaciones excepcionales, todo eso tiene un costo.",2708.24,2711.86,{"idx":2994,"utterance_id":2995,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2996,"start_s":2997,"end_s":2998,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},468,"68102","Como fue justamente en una región donde tenemos una dependencia y el mundo la tiene por el petróleo, eso impacta la inflación, eso impacta el tipo de cambio.",2712.16,2722.46,{"idx":3000,"utterance_id":3001,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3002,"start_s":3003,"end_s":3004,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},469,"68103","Empieza por el tipo de cambio, eso impacta el tipo de cambio, eso impacta el precio del petróleo.",2723.28,2727.44,{"idx":3006,"utterance_id":3007,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3008,"start_s":3009,"end_s":3010,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},470,"68104","Hoy somos autosuficientes en producción de petróleo, pero no somos autosuficientes en refinación.",2727.78,2733.26,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":2916,"topic_label":2917,"target_id":3017,"target_proposition":3018,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3019,"indexable":220},471,"68105","Tenemos que discutir sin ningún prejuicio de nuevo la capacidad de refinar el 100% del petróleo que consumimos, porque tenemos que acabar con esa historia de mandar la materia prima al mundo.",2733.64,2745.4,"e2898184-2e2e-4222-a7ac-7d41b049925d","expandir la capacidad de refinación e invertir en tecnología en el sector del petróleo y gas","defiende discutir refinar el 100% del petróleo consumido en el país.",{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},472,"68106","Y comprar 10 veces más caro, a veces, o 20 veces más caro, o 5 veces más caro.",2745.96,2750.04,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},473,"68107","Creo que las tierras raras pasan por eso.",2750.08,2753.84,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},474,"68108","Eso es otro capítulo que podemos discutir.",2754.68,2756.6,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},475,"68109","Entonces, todo esto, Ramiro, exigió del Estado brasileño un coste muy alto.",2757,2762.58,{"idx":3045,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3050,"target_proposition":3051,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":3052,"indexable":220},476,"68110","En una sola frase, salimos de una pandemia con políticas públicas extinguidas, tuvimos que reponer políticas públicas.",2763.56,2770.52,"4967d439-132b-4ff7-a274-9fafd7dcf544","reponer políticas públicas pospandemia","afirma que las políticas públicas fueron repuestas después de la pandemia.",{"idx":3054,"utterance_id":3055,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3056,"start_s":3057,"end_s":3058,"word_count":295,"indexable":12},477,"68111","El propio Ministerio de Planificación tuvo que ser creado, farmácia popular, el Minha Casa Minha Vida, que genera tanto empleo, porque la construcción civil es la que más genera empleo en Brasil, estuvo cuatro años en el gobierno pasado sin ninguna nueva contratación en la faixa 1.",2770.96,2783.28,{"idx":3060,"utterance_id":3061,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3062,"start_s":3063,"end_s":3064,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},478,"68112","Así que tuvimos que retomar todo eso.",2783.34,2785.3,{"idx":3066,"utterance_id":3067,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3068,"start_s":3069,"end_s":3070,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},479,"68113","Paralelamente, tuvimos que enfrentar la guerra de Ucrania con Rusia, fertilizantes, guerra de Irán con el petróleo.",2785.6,2790.76,{"idx":3072,"utterance_id":3073,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3074,"start_s":3075,"end_s":3076,"word_count":253,"indexable":12},480,"68114","Ahora, cuando estábamos organizando la casa, la guerra de Israel con Palestina, en fin, hay una situación, efectos climáticos, Rio Grande do Sul, y no quiero ser... Perdóname, así, guerra habrá, crisis climática habrá...",2790.8,2806.06,{"idx":3078,"utterance_id":3079,"speaker_name":8,"text":3080,"start_s":3081,"end_s":3082,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},481,"68115","Iba a decir exactamente eso.",2806.1,2806.96,{"idx":3084,"utterance_id":3085,"speaker_name":8,"text":3086,"start_s":3087,"end_s":3088,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},482,"68116","Todo eso no va a dejar de existir.",2807,2808.14,{"idx":3090,"utterance_id":3091,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3092,"start_s":3093,"end_s":3094,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},483,"68117","No, iba a decir exactamente eso.",2808.26,2809.78,{"idx":3096,"utterance_id":3097,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3098,"start_s":3099,"end_s":3100,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3101,"target_proposition":3102,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3103,"indexable":220},484,"68118","La salida es reindustrialización, tierras raras, ¿hay otra cosa que se pueda hacer?",2809.84,2812.48,"e8f7ad98-f48b-48ed-9f3f-c89088ae8612","promover la industrialización de materias primas y el desarrollo de cadenas de valor nacionales","presenta la reindustrialización y las tierras raras como salida económica.",{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},485,"68119","La salida son dos.",2812.56,2813.6,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},486,"68120","Arca-bolsa no fue suficiente.",2813.88,2815.16,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},487,"68121","Sí, la salida fueron dos.",2815.2,2816.24,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},488,"68122","Y no fueron suficientes.",2816.6,2817.54,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},489,"68123","tampoco fue solo por propuesta nota.",2817.58,2819.1,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},490,"68124","¿Recuerdas que cada vez que intentábamos hacer una revisión del gasto, presentábamos en el Congreso, salía del Congreso aún más débil?",2819.16,2825.7,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3143,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},491,"68125","Me equivoqué, así.",2826.34,2827.36,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},492,"68126","Y la prensa también conmigo.",2828.04,2829.24,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":331,"indexable":12},493,"68127","En el primer año, teníamos una expectativa, porque yo soy más fiscalista, y el presidente Lula me eligió como ministra del Estado, sabiendo, porque le gusta ese contradictorio, sabía que iba a poner a alguien allí que iba a ser ese Pinocho, ¿recuerdas la historia de Pinocho?, iba a ser el grillo parlante?",2829.56,2843.16,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},494,"68128","Mira, la conciencia no va por aquí o por allá, aunque muchas veces era derrotada, otras veces era escuchada y hicimos muchas cosas juntos.",2843.62,2852.6,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},495,"68129","Pero apostábamos al Congreso, como era un Congreso más a la derecha, que sería más fiscalista.",2853.8,2858.22,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},496,"68130","Pasó lo contrario.",2858.28,2859.26,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3182,"target_proposition":3183,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3184,"indexable":220},497,"68131","El Congreso presenta proyectos de impacto billonario en las cuentas públicas, billonario, sin ninguna responsabilidad, sin decir así, ¿dónde voy a compensar eso?",2859.92,2868.38,"d8d4c107-f071-4e4e-b627-b11e1e89c016","exigir compensación presupuestaria para nuevos gastos permanentes","critica proyectos multimillonarios sin compensación y pregunta 'quem vai pagar?'",{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},498,"68132","¿Quién va a pagar esa cuenta?",2868.92,2870.02,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},499,"68133","Nos vamos a endeudar y con eso impactar el tipo de cambio, la inflación y las tasas de interés del Banco Central que no bajan por eso?",2870.7,2879.06,{"idx":3198,"utterance_id":3199,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3200,"start_s":3201,"end_s":3202,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},500,"68134","Entonces, así, vamos a compartir esa responsabilidad.",2879.7,2882.54,{"idx":3204,"utterance_id":3205,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3206,"start_s":3207,"end_s":3208,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},501,"68135","Aprobamos un arcabouço que era posible pospandemia, sabiendo de políticas públicas, y ahora viene tu pregunta.",2883,2890.22,{"idx":3210,"utterance_id":3211,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3212,"start_s":3213,"end_s":3214,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},502,"68136","¿Y ahora, José?",2890.34,2890.98,{"idx":3216,"utterance_id":3217,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3218,"start_s":3219,"end_s":3220,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},503,"68137","Es decir, entonces, ministra, si siempre va a haber guerra, si siempre vamos a tener hechos excepcionales, ¿cuál es la salida?",2891.88,2897.9,{"idx":3222,"utterance_id":3223,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3224,"start_s":3225,"end_s":3226,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},504,"68138","Ahora no tenemos más excusa.",2898.32,2899.92,{"idx":3228,"utterance_id":3229,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3230,"start_s":3231,"end_s":3232,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},505,"68139","Si Dios quiere, ya no tenemos pandemia, los problemas internos... relativamente resueltos, tenemos políticas que hacer, reformas que hacer, pero organizamos la casa, reconstruimos las políticas públicas, está todo sobre la mesa, ahora tenemos que tener coraje.",2900.44,2916.54,{"idx":3234,"utterance_id":3235,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3236,"start_s":3237,"end_s":3238,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3239,"target_proposition":3240,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3241,"indexable":220},506,"68140","pos-elección, es decir, quien sea el próximo presidente de la República, de hacer una PEC inversa.",2917.14,2921.66,"d4415a15-df67-4cd6-8c5c-2bc6621aca13","respaldar y aprobar la PEC de reforma fiscal","propone explícitamente 'fazer uma PEC inversa' después de la elección.",{"idx":3243,"utterance_id":3244,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3245,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},507,"68141","La PEC de 22 fue la PEC del derroche.",2922.02,2924.28,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},508,"68142","Tuvimos que reponer, pusimos 160, sacamos 170, ni me acuerdo, mil millones, más 140 y algo 160 mil millones en el presupuesto por año más.",2924.34,2932.5,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},509,"68143","Ahora tenemos que tener un arcabouço más restrictivo, pero asociado a esto, y esto es importante, tenemos la responsabilidad de la siguiente pregunta siempre en nuestra vida.",2932.9,2943.56,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},510,"68144","¿Qué es peor?",2944.8,2945.32,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3272,"target_proposition":3273,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3274,"indexable":12},511,"68145","¿Gastar mucho o gastar mal?",2946.02,2947.76,"7ae4a17d-cb8a-46ea-8b4e-3fd053451478","aumentar la eficiencia del gasto público y el retorno de bienestar","defiende la planificación y el gasto eficiente como deber básico.",{"idx":3276,"utterance_id":3277,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3278,"start_s":3279,"end_s":3280,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},512,"68146","Ambas cosas son malas para el presupuesto brasileño, para la política.",2948.16,2953.1,{"idx":3282,"utterance_id":3283,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3284,"start_s":3285,"end_s":3286,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},513,"68147","Gastar mucho es malo, pero peor que gastar mucho es gastar mal.",2953.36,2956.78,{"idx":3288,"utterance_id":3289,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3290,"start_s":3291,"end_s":3292,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},514,"68148","Podría gastar lo que fuera en educación y en salud, siempre que tuviéramos una salud pública, una educación pública de excelencia.",2957.26,2963.52,{"idx":3294,"utterance_id":3295,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3296,"start_s":3297,"end_s":3298,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},515,"68149","Está bien, compensamos de otra manera.",2964,2965.76,{"idx":3300,"utterance_id":3301,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3302,"start_s":3303,"end_s":3304,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},516,"68150","El problema es que gastamos mucho en salud y en educación y gastamos mal.",2966.08,2968.86,{"idx":3306,"utterance_id":3307,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3308,"start_s":3309,"end_s":3310,"word_count":301,"indexable":12},517,"68151","Entonces, esa tarea, que es garantizar lo siguiente: la cultura de la planificación en Brasil, para tener planificación estratégica en cualquier área y gastar de forma eficiente el dinero del pueblo brasileño, eso no lo conseguimos ni con la izquierda ni con la derecha.",2969.7,2984.48,{"idx":3312,"utterance_id":3313,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3314,"start_s":3315,"end_s":3316,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},518,"68152","No sirve pensar que lo que haga el presidente más a la derecha servirá.",2984.86,2988.94,{"idx":3318,"utterance_id":3319,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3320,"start_s":3321,"end_s":3322,"word_count":331,"indexable":12},519,"68153","Algunos lo hicieron en el pasado, pero no es esa la expectativa que tengo por el Congreso Nacional, porque el Congreso Nacional hoy... Tienes una bancada sectaria, y discutimos un poco eso en los pasillos, sectaria que tiene un foco muy específico y no tiene la visión horizontal de Brasil.",2989.48,3007.54,{"idx":3324,"utterance_id":3325,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3326,"start_s":3327,"end_s":3328,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},520,"68154","Es decir, no consigue discutir Brasil en su conjunto.",3007.82,3009.84,{"idx":3330,"utterance_id":3331,"speaker_name":8,"text":3332,"start_s":3333,"end_s":3334,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},521,"68155","Perdón, André.",3010,3010.52,{"idx":3336,"utterance_id":3337,"speaker_name":8,"text":3338,"start_s":3339,"end_s":3340,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},522,"68156","Si quieres beber agua mientras hago la pregunta, siéntete libre.",3010.56,3012.94,{"idx":3342,"utterance_id":3343,"speaker_name":8,"text":3344,"start_s":3345,"end_s":3346,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},523,"68157","Veo que tu garganta está seca.",3012.98,3014.36,{"idx":3348,"utterance_id":3349,"speaker_name":8,"text":3350,"start_s":3351,"end_s":3352,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},524,"68158","Gracias.",3014.4,3015.18,{"idx":3354,"utterance_id":3355,"speaker_name":8,"text":3356,"start_s":3357,"end_s":3358,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},525,"68159","Voy a añadir que yo nombré a mi área.",3015.46,3017.38,{"idx":3360,"utterance_id":3361,"speaker_name":8,"text":3362,"start_s":3363,"end_s":3364,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},526,"68160","Hago un programa de mercado en Veja Mais TV y lo aprovecharé.",3017.78,3021.72,{"idx":3366,"utterance_id":3367,"speaker_name":8,"text":3368,"start_s":3369,"end_s":3370,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},527,"68161","Porque en 2022, tu candidatura era... La más celebrada allí por el mercado, ¿no?",3022.58,3029.62,{"idx":3372,"utterance_id":3373,"speaker_name":8,"text":3374,"start_s":3375,"end_s":3376,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},528,"68162","Era esa candidata que ellos apoyaban, que tenía el mayor respaldo del mercado.",3030.28,3035.44,{"idx":3378,"utterance_id":3379,"speaker_name":8,"text":3380,"start_s":3381,"end_s":3382,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},529,"68163","El mercado reconoce que el gobierno de Lula mantuvo el crecimiento, mantuvo los empleos, pero exige una política fiscal más rigurosa.",3035.96,3046.44,{"idx":3384,"utterance_id":3385,"speaker_name":8,"text":3386,"start_s":3387,"end_s":3388,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},530,"68164","Lo exige, además, de todos los precandidatos.",3046.84,3049.04,{"idx":3390,"utterance_id":3391,"speaker_name":8,"text":3392,"start_s":3393,"end_s":3394,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},531,"68165","Quiere ese compromiso de los precandidatos de que habrá un ajuste fiscal a partir de 2027.",3049.14,3054.18,{"idx":3396,"utterance_id":3397,"speaker_name":8,"text":3398,"start_s":3399,"end_s":3400,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},532,"68166","Usted estaba expresando su opinión, es una opinión más fiscalista, más de planificación financiera, ¿pero eso en algún momento fue motivo de agenda en el equipo económico?",3054.6,3067.56,{"idx":3402,"utterance_id":3403,"speaker_name":8,"text":3404,"start_s":3405,"end_s":3406,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},533,"68167","Mire, necesitamos mostrar a la sociedad que estamos comprometidos, no con el derroche, sino con la justicia fiscal.",3067.72,3077.46,{"idx":3408,"utterance_id":3409,"speaker_name":8,"text":3410,"start_s":3411,"end_s":3412,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},534,"68168","Si en algún momento, cuando usted estaba en el Ministerio, eso se discutió y si eso será así?",3078.58,3083.14,{"idx":3414,"utterance_id":3415,"speaker_name":8,"text":3416,"start_s":3417,"end_s":3418,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},535,"68169","Imprescindible en 2026, sea quien sea el presidente.",3083.62,3086.82,{"idx":3420,"utterance_id":3421,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3422,"start_s":3423,"end_s":3424,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},536,"68170","Más de una vez se discutió por una razón.",3087.34,3089.32,{"idx":3426,"utterance_id":3427,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3428,"start_s":3429,"end_s":3430,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},537,"68171","El 'acabó-se' aunque vino más frágil o más débil de lo que el mercado esperaba y era lo posible, tanto que el Congreso Nacional también aflojó.",3089.36,3100.42,{"idx":3432,"utterance_id":3433,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3434,"start_s":3435,"end_s":3436,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},538,"68172","Tiene una... Todo el mundo habla de meta, ¿no?",3101.4,3104.16,{"idx":3438,"utterance_id":3439,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3440,"start_s":3441,"end_s":3442,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},539,"68173","Tiene que haber meta fiscal, ¿no?",3104.56,3106.62,{"idx":3444,"utterance_id":3445,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3446,"start_s":3447,"end_s":3448,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},540,"68174","Un superávit, etc.",3106.76,3107.64,{"idx":3450,"utterance_id":3451,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3452,"start_s":3453,"end_s":3454,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},541,"68175","Pero hay un freno que la gente olvida.",3108,3110.16,{"idx":3456,"utterance_id":3457,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3458,"start_s":3459,"end_s":3460,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2812,"target_proposition":2813,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3461,"indexable":220},542,"68176","Y que es la más importante para contener gastos, que es esa que mencioné, que solo se puede gastar el 70% cada año del aumento de los ingresos.",3110.92,3118.1,"reitera el tope que permite gastar solo el 70% del aumento de la recaudación.",{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},543,"68177","Entonces, en el lapso, en un plazo de 10 años, tendré cada vez más un estrechamiento del gasto público en Brasil.",3118.16,3124.98,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},544,"68178","Puede decirse que es poco, que debería ser más fuerte.",3125.54,3127.8,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},545,"68179","Pero lo que quiero decir es lo siguiente: teniendo en cuenta esta regla que nunca se incumplió, salvo los créditos extraordinarios permitidos en la Constitución, ¿cuántas veces tuvimos que tomar decisiones?",3127.84,3139.52,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},546,"68180","Una de ellas, dos de ellas, fue enviar un... al Congreso, de revisión de gastos, de ajustes, que salieron más flojos de lo que entraron.",3140.1,3148.46,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},547,"68181","A mi juicio, entraron incluso flojos, pero salieron aún más flojos, porque el Congreso Nacional no quería, ah, esto aquí electoralmente va a...",3148.58,3157.26,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":8,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},548,"68182","Más flojo, cuando usted dice, más despilfarro.",3157.5,3159.28,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},549,"68183","Con más despilfarro o con menos contención.",3159.32,3161.46,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},550,"68184","Entonces, cuando hablamos de políticas públicas, de unificar, de poner límites... Ellos frenaron.",3162.18,3168.98,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},551,"68185","La última incluso fue, no sé si fue 25, final de 24 para 25, donde presentamos de una manera y salió aún más débil, más frágil.",3169.36,3180.02,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3522,"target_proposition":3523,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3524,"indexable":220},552,"68186","Pero... Llegaremos a un momento en que, sea quien sea el próximo presidente de la República, no tendrá salida.",3180.24,3186.14,"0031df23-0aa0-4024-b540-b8914438444c","adoptar responsabilidad fiscal en el gobierno","afirma que el próximo presidente 'vai ter que ser mais fiscalista'.",{"idx":3526,"utterance_id":3527,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3528,"start_s":3529,"end_s":3530,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},553,"68187","Tendrá que ser más fiscalista.",3186.6,3188.7,{"idx":3532,"utterance_id":3533,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3534,"start_s":3535,"end_s":3536,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},554,"68188","Y puede ser fiscalista.",3188.82,3190.44,{"idx":3538,"utterance_id":3539,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3540,"start_s":3541,"end_s":3542,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},555,"68189","Creo que por eso soy una persona de centro con convicción.",3190.98,3193.54,{"idx":3544,"utterance_id":3545,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3546,"start_s":3547,"end_s":3548,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},556,"68190","Brasil es demasiado rico.",3194.02,3195.22,{"idx":3550,"utterance_id":3551,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3552,"start_s":3553,"end_s":3554,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},557,"68191","Brasil es demasiado poderoso.",3195.46,3196.8,{"idx":3556,"utterance_id":3557,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3558,"start_s":3559,"end_s":3560,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},558,"68192","Brasil tiene... Hay tanta grasa para recortar, tanta ineficiencia en la máquina pública.",3197.2,3202.28,{"idx":3562,"utterance_id":3563,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3564,"start_s":3565,"end_s":3566,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":3569,"target_proposition":3570,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3571,"indexable":220},559,"68193","Y la inteligencia artificial que viene para hacer la reforma administrativa, entre comillas, que no estamos pudiendo realizar, porque por sí sola va a garantizar ahorros en la gestión pública, ya es así.",3203.1,3214.9,"reforma-politica","Reforma política","65156991-c4b7-4b6c-be04-3d6843a82ec7","promover reforma administrativa estatal para prolongar carreras y compatibilizar salarios con el sector privado","propone el uso de IA para promover ahorro y modernizar la gestión pública.",{"idx":3573,"utterance_id":3574,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3575,"start_s":3576,"end_s":3577,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},560,"68194","Desde el papeleo hasta todo gasto, con menos funcionarios en función de que ella esté haciendo el trabajo.",3215.12,3220.72,{"idx":3579,"utterance_id":3580,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3581,"start_s":3582,"end_s":3583,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},561,"68195","de 100 hombres o de 500 personas, pero llegaremos a ese momento en que la regla presupuestaria acabó... fiscal cambiando o no cambiando y el crecimiento de los gastos obligatorios con la previsión,",3221.8,3238.58,{"idx":3585,"utterance_id":3586,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},562,"68196",3238.66,3238.78,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":3592,"end_s":3593,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},563,"68197",3239.12,3239.26,{"idx":3595,"utterance_id":3596,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3597,"start_s":3598,"end_s":3599,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3522,"target_proposition":3523,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3600,"indexable":220},564,"68198","exigirá del Congreso Nacional, de todos nosotros... un proceso fiscal más riguroso.",3240.08,3246.16,"dice que los gastos obligatorios exigirán un proceso fiscal más riguroso.",{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3607,"target_proposition":3608,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3609,"rationale":3610,"indexable":220},565,"68199","Pero, de nuevo, aquí, Brasil es tan rico, como estaba diciendo, y tan fuerte, que podemos hacer esto sin acabar con ninguna política pública necesaria.",3246.44,3255.3,"2bf9e964-eb7e-47c6-bea4-558f122dce4d","reducir el desperdicio de recursos públicos",0.86,"defiende recortar ineficiencias sin afectar políticas esenciales.",{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":72,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3619,"target_proposition":3620,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3621,"rationale":3622,"indexable":12},566,"68200","Es que hoy tenemos políticas públicas que ya no son eficientes ni necesarias en Brasil.",3255.84,3260.24,"servico-publico","Servicio Público","b8c8b439-3100-4681-a4c9-0e06364d8b68","identificar y eliminar políticas públicas ineficientes",0.66,"afirma que existen políticas hoy que ya no son necesarias.",{"idx":3624,"utterance_id":3625,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3626,"start_s":3627,"end_s":3628,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3607,"target_proposition":3608,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3629,"indexable":12},567,"68201","Y necesitamos tener coraje.",3260.94,3261.92,"clama por 'coragem' justo después de criticar políticas ineficientes.",{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3636,"target_proposition":3637,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3638,"rationale":3639,"indexable":12},568,"68202","Hay solapamiento de políticas públicas.",3261.96,3264.4,"06e1b45d-50f1-45e1-b8e7-56b79dac0674","reducir la superposición y el solapamiento de políticas públicas",0.62,"apunta la existencia de solapamiento entre políticas públicas.",{"idx":3641,"utterance_id":3642,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3643,"start_s":3644,"end_s":3645,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3646,"target_proposition":3647,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3648,"indexable":220},569,"68203","No solo en los gastos, sino también en la cuestión de los subsidios.",3264.44,3268.72,"b2144901-b941-4abe-a6ca-db2ff602e1ca","eliminar privilegios tributarios y beneficios fiscales","dice que es necesario intervenir no solo en los gastos, sino también en los subsidios.",{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":197,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3609,"rationale":3657,"indexable":220},570,"68204","Tenemos, con respecto a los gastos tributarios, políticas públicas que fueron absolutamente necesarias hace 30 años, hace 20 años, hasta hace algunos años, que ya no son necesarias hoy.",3269.18,3279.14,"f7f1258a-b8d3-454e-9743-d77fe3eab69c","reducir el gasto tributario","afirma que gastos tributarios antes necesarios ya no lo son.",{"idx":3659,"utterance_id":3660,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3661,"start_s":3662,"end_s":3663,"word_count":28,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3664,"indexable":12},571,"68205","Por ejemplo, exenciones fiscales.",3279.48,3281.8,"cita las renuncias fiscales como ejemplo de política tributaria.",{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3671,"indexable":220},572,"68206","¿Sabe cuál es la exención fiscal que hoy Brasil concede por año?",3282.16,3285.08,"introduce un dato sobre renuncias fiscales anuales.",{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},573,"68207","600.000 millones.",3285.1,3286.64,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3684,"indexable":220},574,"68208","600.000 millones es todo lo que Brasil deja de recaudar sin aumentar impuestos, de sectores que son beneficiados para fomentar el desarrollo.",3286.66,3295.9,"proporciona la cifra (600 mil millones) sobre renuncias fiscales anuales.",{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3621,"rationale":3691,"indexable":12},575,"68209","Algunos... Eran necesarios, hoy ya no.",3296.4,3299.34,"afirma que algunas renuncias eran necesarias antes, pero ya no.",{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3698,"indexable":220},576,"68210","Un ejemplo que conseguimos, aunque escalonado, es el fin de la desgravación de la nómina.",3299.68,3304.76,"afirma haber promovido la eliminación escalonada de la desgravación de la nómina.",{"idx":3700,"utterance_id":3701,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3702,"start_s":3703,"end_s":3704,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":3705,"indexable":12},577,"68211","La desgravación de la nómina fue absolutamente necesaria en el pasado.",3305.4,3310.28,"dice que la desgravación de la nómina fue necesaria en el pasado.",{"idx":3707,"utterance_id":3708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3709,"start_s":3710,"end_s":3711,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},578,"68212","Y, de repente, demostró ya no ser así.",3310.8,3312.3,{"idx":3713,"utterance_id":3714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3715,"start_s":3716,"end_s":3717,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3718,"indexable":220},579,"68213","Y hicimos la tarea.",3312.36,3313.74,"afirma que hicieron 'dever de casa' sobre renuncias fiscales.",{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3725,"target_proposition":3726,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":3727,"indexable":220},580,"68214","Entonces, si usted toma de los gastos tributarios, de los 600.000 millones que tenemos de exención, hace un recorte del 10%, no lineal, porque no va a tocar el super simples, porque eso es... Pero si hace un recorte de alrededor del 10% por año, cada año un 10% más, estoy hablando solo del año 2027, tendrá 60.000 millones más en caja.",3314.12,3335.06,"18bdcb3b-670d-49d6-90fc-560a2f377ad8","implementar un conjunto de reformas para reducir gastos públicos en 100 a 200 mil millones por año","propone un recorte de alrededor del 10% anual en los gastos tributarios.",{"idx":3729,"utterance_id":3730,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3731,"start_s":3732,"end_s":3733,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3734,"target_proposition":3735,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":3737,"indexable":12},581,"68215","Sea para superávit, sea para políticas emergentes.",3335.5,3338.92,"20b0afad-7fc2-42fc-855f-7ac5a46d1bc9","usar recursos de la reducción de renuncias fiscales para superávit y políticas emergenciales",0.82,"propone usar los ahorros para superávit o políticas de emergencia.",{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3725,"target_proposition":3726,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3744,"indexable":12},582,"68216","Si hablo de 2028, son 60.000 millones más 60.000 millones, son 120.000 millones.",3339.3,3343.26,"hace un cálculo proyectado de ingresos para los años siguientes.",{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3751,"target_proposition":3752,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3609,"rationale":3753,"indexable":220},583,"68217","En 2029, tendré casi 200.000 millones en caja, para resolver el problema de la deuda pública.",3343.38,3350.5,"fc9698da-c902-4f27-86ab-92f256861e78","realizar reforma fiscal para reducir las tasas y el endeudamiento público","vincula los ahorros con la resolución del problema de la deuda pública.",{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":3760,"target_proposition":3761,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":3762,"indexable":220},584,"68218","Así que tiene manera, sin necesidad de reducir dinero para el Minha Casa Minha Vida, sin necesidad de reducir dinero para el Bolsa Família, pero haciendo los recortes que hicimos.",3351.02,3359.94,"5d173454-0193-44ae-92d7-87a5550851eb","mantener financiamiento para programas sociales como Minha Casa Minha Vida y Bolsa Família","afirma recortes sin necesidad de reducir los fondos de esos programas.",{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":3769,"target_proposition":3770,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3771,"rationale":3772,"indexable":12},585,"68219","¿Cuántos millones de personas salieron del Bolsa Família porque durante la pandemia recibieron ayuda porque lo necesitaban y luego ya estaban empleados?",3360.08,3367.72,"317aadbf-2e03-40b0-8b50-069649c836c2","focalizar beneficios sociales en quienes realmente los necesitan",0.65,"pregunta retóricamente sobre beneficiarios que salieron del Bolsa Família.",{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3776,"start_s":3777,"end_s":3778,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":3769,"target_proposition":3770,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":3779,"indexable":220},586,"68220","¿Cuántos hijos o parientes de concejales, de políticos estaban en el Bolsa Família y nosotros los cortamos enseguida en el primer año?",3368.14,3374.62,"Afirma haber eliminado beneficiarios indebidos en el primer año.",{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":8,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},587,"68221","Entonces usted tiene.",3374.98,3375.6,{"idx":3787,"utterance_id":3788,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3789,"start_s":3790,"end_s":3791,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3619,"target_proposition":3620,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3792,"indexable":220},588,"68222","ineficiencia, usted tiene errores que va recortando y tiene políticas públicas que eran necesarias y hoy ya no lo son.",3376.14,3385.5,"Defiende recortar errores y políticas que ya no son necesarias.",{"idx":3794,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3799,"target_proposition":3800,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":3801,"indexable":12},589,"68223","Entonces, ante todo esto, conozco bien, en profundidad, el presupuesto brasileño.",3385.82,3390.42,"171ad88d-c078-4bee-aee2-02cbb715aa0f","divulgar conocimiento técnico sobre el presupuesto público","Afirma conocer profundamente el presupuesto brasileño.",{"idx":3803,"utterance_id":3804,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3805,"start_s":3806,"end_s":3807,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3808,"target_proposition":3809,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3810,"indexable":12},590,"68224","Y conozco Brasil, porque he recorrido Brasil más de una vez, no solo como candidata a la presidencia de la República, sino como... la ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto, para saber si se puede hacer sin afectar a los más pobres, sin perjudicar los servicios públicos esenciales, pero cumpliendo con la tarea.",3390.82,3407.08,"9f4a9a85-5d9a-46bf-be0a-05ce152e2caf","priorizar la gestión técnica sobre el politiqueo en la administración pública","Cita su experiencia como ministra y su presencia por todo Brasil.",{"idx":3812,"utterance_id":3813,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3814,"start_s":3815,"end_s":3816,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3817,"target_proposition":3818,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3819,"indexable":12},591,"68225","Para eso se necesita coraje y se necesita conocimiento.",3407.14,3409.84,"b7bbcd0e-7825-4b15-af44-8468ac22b500","realizar reformas fiscales para aumentar el espacio fiscal","Dice que se necesita coraje y conocimiento para hacer el ajuste.",{"idx":3821,"utterance_id":3822,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3823,"start_s":3824,"end_s":3825,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":3826,"topic_label":3827,"target_id":3828,"target_proposition":3829,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3638,"rationale":3830,"indexable":12},592,"68226","La pregunta es si el próximo Congreso Nacional va a tener esa capacidad y ese coraje de hacer lo que es correcto, lo que necesita hacerse por el bien del futuro de Brasil.",3410.16,3418.32,"poder-legislativo","Poder legislativo","f8d4a564-9496-409d-ad5c-8cd45ab2f110","asegurar la aprobación de las pautas del gobierno en el Congreso Nacional","Pregunta si el próximo Congreso tendrá capacidad y coraje.",{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":8,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},593,"68227","Hemos comentado mucho sobre nuestra economía, usted ya ha dicho varias veces que es del agronegocio.",3418.46,3422.98,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":8,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3843,"target_proposition":3844,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3845,"indexable":220},594,"68228","La semana pasada, el gobierno estadounidense anunció una nueva tasa del 25%.",3423.36,3426.78,"f4c484f7-040c-4ce9-968d-ce6a6e64f4a6","imponer tarifa del 25% sobre productos brasileños exportados a los Estados Unidos","Informa sobre el anuncio gubernamental de EE. UU. de una nueva tasa del 25%.",{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":8,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},595,"68229","Eso afecta a varios productos.",3428.22,3429.98,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":8,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3858,"target_proposition":3859,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3860,"indexable":220},596,"68230","La carne quedó fuera, pero ahora también impacta a la Unión Europea, que tuvo la suspensión.",3430.08,3434.44,"cfac079e-c98d-4a79-a6b4-b00dc773f52e","aplicar medidas arancelarias y suspensiones comerciales entre bloques (EE. UU.\u002FUE\u002FBrasil)","Observa que la medida afecta productos e involucra a la UE y una suspensión.",{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":8,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},597,"68231","¿Cómo ha visto usted este anuncio del gobierno estadounidense?",3434.9,3437.8,{"idx":3868,"utterance_id":3869,"speaker_name":8,"text":3870,"start_s":3871,"end_s":3872,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},598,"68232","Y si usted atribuye a la familia de Bolsonaro esta tasación anunciada por el gobierno?",3438.24,3444.52,{"idx":3874,"utterance_id":3875,"speaker_name":8,"text":3876,"start_s":3877,"end_s":3878,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},599,"68233","Porque fue precisamente el día en que se divulgó la foto con Flávio, algunos días después de la agenda en Washington.",3444.56,3450.86,{"idx":3880,"utterance_id":3881,"speaker_name":8,"text":3882,"start_s":3883,"end_s":3884,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},600,"68234","que ese anuncio se produjo.",3451.26,3452.16,{"idx":3886,"utterance_id":3887,"speaker_name":8,"text":3864,"start_s":3888,"end_s":3889,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},601,"68235",3452.22,3454,{"idx":3891,"utterance_id":3892,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3893,"start_s":3894,"end_s":3895,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},602,"68236","Creo que es una mezcla de ambas cosas.",3454.12,3456.6,{"idx":3897,"utterance_id":3898,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3899,"start_s":3900,"end_s":3901,"word_count":271,"indexable":12},603,"68237","Ya me he pronunciado sobre eso, pero voy a ser muy pragmática aquí, usando una broma que no es mía, pero que siempre dicen cuando hablan de encuestas, está bien o está mal, y dicen así, ¿y entonces, no?",3456.7,3468.38,{"idx":3903,"utterance_id":3904,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3905,"start_s":3906,"end_s":3907,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},604,"68238","¿Por qué está bien y no está mal?",3470.04,3471.36,{"idx":3909,"utterance_id":3910,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3911,"start_s":3912,"end_s":3913,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},605,"68239","Entonces vino un político en el pasado y siempre es repetido y plagiado, ¿no?",3471.5,3474.76,{"idx":3915,"utterance_id":3916,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3917,"start_s":3918,"end_s":3919,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},606,"68240","Es economía, estúpido.",3475,3476.08,{"idx":3921,"utterance_id":3922,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3923,"start_s":3924,"end_s":3925,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},607,"68241","Ese es el término que usan: es economía, estúpido.",3476.68,3479.06,{"idx":3927,"utterance_id":3928,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3929,"start_s":3930,"end_s":3931,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3932,"target_proposition":3933,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3621,"rationale":3934,"indexable":12},608,"68242","Creo... particularmente que ellos tuvieron mucha más responsabilidad allí atrás, en el primer tarifazo, a causa de gestiones internas.",3480.26,3490.58,"86d7f67e-82f6-4423-89c1-e70eaaba73bc","analizar responsabilidades internas y externas por medidas arancelarias","Atribuye parte de la responsabilidad a las gestiones internas en el primer tarifario.",{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3943,"target_proposition":3944,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":3945,"indexable":220},609,"68243","Tenemos un hijo del expresidente que no hace otra cosa en Estados Unidos que abogar contra Brasil y está allí; no soy yo, hay un audio suyo diciendo 'si hace falta que Brasil sea tierra arrasada, me siento vengado.'",3490.94,3504.36,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Política exterior y diplomacia","b83987ae-427c-44a9-b99a-47f137a80365","impedir que familiares de políticos actúen contra intereses nacionales en las relaciones internacionales","Critica al hijo de un expresidente por abogar contra Brasil.",{"idx":3947,"utterance_id":3948,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3949,"start_s":3950,"end_s":3951,"word_count":277,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3943,"target_proposition":3944,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3952,"indexable":220},610,"68244","Quiero decir, es una persona absolutamente... que no tiene patriotismo, que no tiene amor por Brasil, que ya eligió otra bandera que no es la nuestra, que ni siquiera debería volver a Brasil, porque haría mucho daño a Brasil.",3504.4,3518.26,"Llama a esa persona desleal y sin patriotismo.",{"idx":3954,"utterance_id":3955,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3956,"start_s":3957,"end_s":3958,"word_count":450,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3959,"target_proposition":3960,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":3961,"indexable":220},611,"68245","Pero creo que más que en relación con la tarifa —que la tarifa tiene mucho que ver con la preocupación de Estados Unidos y del gobierno estadounidense por la competitividad de nuestros productos, especialmente del agronegocio brasileño— sí hay interferencia de ellos dirigida a sectores del gobierno estadounidense, pensando en la elección de 2026. Ahora, en relación, por ejemplo, a... tipificar al PCC y al Comando Vermelho como organizaciones terroristas...",3519.4,3551.96,"a00d0862-3404-4129-b70b-d0eed747fdf5","declarar facciones extranjeras como organizaciones terroristas (cuando corresponda)","Declara preocupación por la taxonomía de PCC y Comando Vermelho como 'terroristas'.",{"idx":3963,"utterance_id":3964,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3965,"start_s":3966,"end_s":3967,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3968,"target_proposition":3969,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3970,"rationale":3971,"indexable":220},612,"68246","Y eso me preocupa incluso más que el tarifazo, que resolveremos con diálogo y diplomacia, mostrando que Brasil es deficitario y no superavitario en la balanza comercial con Estados Unidos.",3552.46,3566.78,"b5be9ed6-d8c3-4195-bf95-aa678b481e9b","negociar disputas comerciales con los Estados Unidos mediante diálogo diplomático",0.87,"Propone dialogar y usar la diplomacia para tratar la tarifa.",{"idx":3973,"utterance_id":3974,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3975,"start_s":3976,"end_s":3977,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3943,"target_proposition":3944,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":3978,"indexable":220},613,"68247","Entonces, esas fake news, esas falsedades que llegan a sus oídos, creo que también son fruto de la familia.",3566.94,3572.42,"Atribuye información falsa al entorno familiar que llega a los EE. UU.",{"idx":3980,"utterance_id":3981,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3982,"start_s":3983,"end_s":3984,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},614,"68248","Bolsonaro.",3573.32,3573.92,{"idx":3986,"utterance_id":3987,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3988,"start_s":3989,"end_s":3990,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3959,"target_proposition":3960,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3991,"indexable":220},615,"68249","Pero la cuestión del crimen organizado, considerado como organización terrorista, creo que eso tuvo más participación y eso me preocupa mucho más a mediano plazo.",3574.3,3584,"Repite que tal clasificación le preocupa a medio plazo.",{"idx":3993,"utterance_id":3994,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3995,"start_s":3996,"end_s":3997,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":3998,"target_proposition":3999,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":4000,"indexable":12},616,"68250","El otro día publiqué algo, la gente empezó a decir que eso interfiere incluso en nuestro sistema financiero, sí.",3584.36,3589.38,"0ff94e6c-8d61-46e0-bf17-f9614d002d4c","proteger el Pix y el sistema de pagos brasileño","Advierte que la clasificación puede interferir en el sistema financiero.",{"idx":4002,"utterance_id":4003,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4004,"start_s":4005,"end_s":4006,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},617,"68251","Y es de una forma muy simple, porque a partir de ahí pueden hacer cualquier cosa.",3590.02,3593.3,{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},618,"68252","Tenemos dos marcas americanas con las que el PIX compite.",3594.42,3597.28,{"idx":4014,"utterance_id":4015,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4016,"start_s":4017,"end_s":4018,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":4019,"topic_label":4020,"target_id":4021,"target_proposition":4022,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4023,"indexable":220},619,"68253","El PIX compite porque es el sistema más eficiente, más barato, una tecnología genuinamente brasileña, con las dos mayores marcas de tarjetas de crédito del mundo.",3597.72,3606.08,"politica-de-credito-e-financiamento","Política de Crédito y Financiamiento","67291bde-d671-4dd1-82b2-662faa8cb681","promover y proteger el PIX y la infraestructura de pagos brasileña","Defiende el PIX como tecnología genuinamente brasileña y eficiente.",{"idx":4025,"utterance_id":4026,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4027,"start_s":4028,"end_s":4029,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},620,"68254","Y ellas son americanas.",3606.26,3607.28,{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},621,"68255","Entonces, de nuevo, es economía estúpida.",3607.94,3610.28,{"idx":4037,"utterance_id":4038,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4039,"start_s":4040,"end_s":4041,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},622,"68256","Entonces, allí está el gobierno americano tratando de defender... a las big techs, que son maromiras americanas; es su derecho hacer eso.",3610.42,3617.7,{"idx":4043,"utterance_id":4044,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4045,"start_s":4046,"end_s":4047,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3943,"target_proposition":3944,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4048,"indexable":220},623,"68257","No lo estoy discutiendo; estoy discutiendo y cuestionando el patriotismo de una familia brasileña que actúa contra Brasil con vistas a un proyecto de poder y no a un proyecto de nación.",3617.74,3627.84,"Cuestiona el patriotismo de una familia que 'joga contra o Brasil'.",{"idx":4050,"utterance_id":4051,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4052,"start_s":4053,"end_s":4054,"word_count":289,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3959,"target_proposition":3960,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4055,"indexable":220},624,"68258","Y cuando hablo de organización terrorista, doy a Estados Unidos un poder tremendo respecto al sistema financiero que puede afectar a todos nosotros, que puede afectar a la Faria Lima y, en consecuencia, al comercio, a la industria y a la vida del ciudadano brasileño.",3628.48,3642.26,"Explica que tal clasificación daría enorme poder financiero a los EE. UU.",{"idx":4057,"utterance_id":4058,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4059,"start_s":4060,"end_s":4061,"word_count":615,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":4062,"target_proposition":4063,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4064,"indexable":220},625,"68259","En ese rastreo, quisieran decir lo siguiente: mira, hay una gran industria brasileña, o incluso un gran banco de Brasil, que recibió indirectamente recursos fruto del blanqueo de capitales del PCC, porque pasó por diversas manos y por el banco; ahora se dice que ese banco no puede tener más actividad económica; quien tenga, desde una empresa americana o del sistema financiero americano, negocios con ese banco brasileño, con esa actividad económica, con ese sistema financiero brasileño o con esa empresa brasileña está prohibido; he creado un efecto en cascada de, diría, consecuencias aún inimaginables.",3643.38,3683.32,"70f1b284-bed7-4b91-a38e-de5ac01e7abe","proteger el sistema financiero brasileño de sanciones y restricciones extraterritoriales","Detalla el efecto en cascada sobre bancos y empresas brasileñas.",{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},626,"68260","Claro, no quiero ser catastrofista, ese no es el objetivo, soy absolutamente optimista, pero es algo que ha pasado a estar sobre la mesa y que no estaba en el pasado.",3683.74,3691.68,{"idx":4072,"utterance_id":4073,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4074,"start_s":4075,"end_s":4076,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},627,"68261","Eso impacta en el dólar; mire cuánto está el tipo de cambio hoy; claro, también hay factores externos.",3692.48,3696.88,{"idx":4078,"utterance_id":4079,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4080,"start_s":4081,"end_s":4082,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":3943,"target_proposition":3944,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":4083,"indexable":220},628,"68262","Entonces, es un deservicio que la familia Bolsonaro está haciendo en Brasil; no creo que haya sido una coincidencia, creo que unió, en resumen, el hambre con las ganas de comer.",3697.26,3709.92,"Llama 'desserviço' a la actuación de la familia Bolsonaro en el exterior.",{"idx":4085,"utterance_id":4086,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4087,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},629,"68263","El hambre de los Estados Unidos con las ganas de comer de la familia Bolsonaro.",3710.32,3713.2,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},630,"68264","João, por favor.",3713.24,3713.88,{"idx":4097,"utterance_id":4098,"speaker_name":8,"text":4099,"start_s":4100,"end_s":4101,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},631,"68265","Ministra, quiero salir un poco de esta economía y volver a la política, porque creo que es importante que hablemos también un poco de São Paulo.",3713.92,3720.04,{"idx":4103,"utterance_id":4104,"speaker_name":8,"text":4105,"start_s":4106,"end_s":4107,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},632,"68266","Porque la izquierda sufre cierta resistencia en el interior paulista y todavía tiene mucha dificultad para romper esa resistencia.",3720.58,3728.12,{"idx":4109,"utterance_id":4110,"speaker_name":8,"text":4111,"start_s":4112,"end_s":4113,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},633,"68267","Donde el gobernador está siendo diferido, él tiene cierto dominio.",3728.52,3731.14,{"idx":4115,"utterance_id":4116,"speaker_name":8,"text":4117,"start_s":4118,"end_s":4119,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},634,"68268","Quisiera saber de usted lo siguiente: en su evaluación interna, y también la del PSB, cómo romper esa resistencia del interior de São Paulo, dado que es un interior mucho más ligado al bolsonarismo, sobre todo allí.",3731.76,3743.96,{"idx":4121,"utterance_id":4122,"speaker_name":8,"text":4123,"start_s":4124,"end_s":4125,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},635,"68269","Las regiones de Ribeirão Preto, São José do Rio Preto, son allí ciudades más bols... Barretos, por ejemplo, son ciudades un poco más bolsonaristas.",3744.02,3751.86,{"idx":4127,"utterance_id":4128,"speaker_name":8,"text":4129,"start_s":4130,"end_s":4131,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},636,"68270","¿Cómo romper esa resistencia y conseguir que Fernando Haddad también pueda romper esa burbuja universitaria que ronda allí... la campaña del petista, en su opinión?",3752.24,3763.34,{"idx":4133,"utterance_id":4134,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4135,"start_s":4136,"end_s":4137,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":4140,"target_proposition":4141,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4142,"indexable":220},637,"68271","Por encima de todo, con la verdad, con el diálogo y con los números, con la verdad.",3763.96,3767.04,"processo-eleitoral","Proceso electoral","f0c52292-7ede-4aac-b0ac-2e030396ab26","convencer a los electores y ampliar la confianza en la candidatura presidencial","Defiende diálogo y datos para vencer la resistencia en el interior.",{"idx":4144,"utterance_id":4145,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4146,"start_s":4147,"end_s":4148,"word_count":433,"indexable":12},638,"68272","Estamos hablando prácticamente, ya que usted citó esas regiones que conozco bien, sobre todo la región que cultiva mucha caña; yo soy productora de caña también, y por lo tanto frecuento, por motivos más personales que políticos, el interior de São Paulo, y no es de ahora ni de hace poco tiempo; incluso otros sectores que ahora también están entrando un poco, el sector de la celulosa.",3767.68,3789.74,{"idx":4150,"utterance_id":4151,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4152,"start_s":4153,"end_s":4154,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},639,"68273","También producimos celulosa; hay una reacción del agronegocio muy fuerte que no se corresponde con los números presentados.",3790.28,3798.06,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":390,"topic_slug":4160,"topic_label":4161,"target_id":4162,"target_proposition":4163,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4164,"indexable":220},"68274","Estamos ante el mayor plano safra de la historia de Brasil, y es verdad que el crédito rural es un problema para nosotros; ahora hablo como alguien del agronegocio: es un problema para nosotros, porque el crédito rural nunca es suficiente, necesitamos más subsidio para el seguro rural, y yo formé parte del CMN, yo votaba.",3798.2,3813.88,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","Agricultura y agronegocio","984d9526-924e-46d5-b9d2-61c91e9e9040","ampliar recursos del FEAP para financiamiento y seguro rural","Dice que el crédito rural es insuficiente y pide más subsidio para los seguros.",{"idx":4166,"utterance_id":4167,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4168,"start_s":4169,"end_s":4170,"word_count":265,"topic_slug":4160,"topic_label":4161,"target_id":4162,"target_proposition":4163,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4171,"indexable":220},641,"68275","Yo, Haddad y Galípolo, éramos los tres —dos ministros y el presidente del Banco Central— votando toda esa cuestión de bajar tasas, de diferenciar tasas, tanto para la agricultura familiar, que nunca podemos dejar de lado.",3814.32,3825.58,"Recuerda haber votado a favor de diferenciar y reducir las tasas de interés para el agro.",{"idx":4173,"utterance_id":4174,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4175,"start_s":4176,"end_s":4177,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":4160,"topic_label":4161,"target_id":4178,"target_proposition":4179,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4180,"indexable":220},642,"68276","Cuando hablo del agro, siempre incluyo a la agricultura familiar.",3825.62,3828.52,"4c0bfa9d-3667-43f8-907c-a9b1b58d31d6","incluir y apoyar la agricultura familiar en las políticas públicas del agronegocio","Afirma que siempre incluye a la agricultura familiar al hablar del agro.",{"idx":4182,"utterance_id":4183,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4184,"start_s":4185,"end_s":4186,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},643,"68277","Creo que debe estar dentro de ese diálogo, porque presta un gran servicio.",3829.04,3833.1,{"idx":4188,"utterance_id":4189,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4190,"start_s":4191,"end_s":4192,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},644,"68278","para Brasil, que es quien realmente pone la comida en la mesa del pueblo brasileño: 70%.",3833.48,3837.46,{"idx":4194,"utterance_id":4195,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4196,"start_s":4197,"end_s":4198,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},645,"68279","Yo no pongo comida en la mesa del pueblo brasileño, pero exporto, nosotros exportamos.",3838.98,3843.74,{"idx":4200,"utterance_id":4201,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4202,"start_s":4203,"end_s":4204,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},646,"68280","Y lo que es muy bueno para Brasil: el agro y la agroindustria son fundamentales para el crecimiento de Brasil.",3844.06,3849.4,{"idx":4206,"utterance_id":4207,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4208,"start_s":4209,"end_s":4210,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},647,"68281","Pero quien pone la comida en la mesa —el frijol, hortalizas, las frutas— es la agricultura familiar.",3849.7,3856.34,{"idx":4212,"utterance_id":4213,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4214,"start_s":4215,"end_s":4216,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":4160,"topic_label":4161,"target_id":4178,"target_proposition":4179,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4217,"indexable":12},648,"68282","Entonces, creo que hay que dialogar.",3856.72,3857.98,"Defiende que la agricultura familiar participe en el diálogo público.",{"idx":4219,"utterance_id":4220,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4221,"start_s":4222,"end_s":4223,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},649,"68283","Y mostrar números.",3858.44,3859.28,{"idx":4225,"utterance_id":4226,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4227,"start_s":4228,"end_s":4229,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},650,"68284","Además de eso, con toda tranquilidad, no creo que ese sector vaya a decidir la elección nacional ni aquí en São Paulo.",3859.58,3867.8,{"idx":4231,"utterance_id":4232,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4233,"start_s":4234,"end_s":4235,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},651,"68285","Es un sector electoralmente más restringido y que tiene dificultad por cuestión de ideología.",3868.44,3875.44,{"idx":4237,"utterance_id":4238,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4239,"start_s":4240,"end_s":4241,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},652,"68286","de cambiar de bando en tres meses.",3876.26,3877.66,{"idx":4243,"utterance_id":4244,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4245,"start_s":4246,"end_s":4247,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},653,"68287","No creo que vayan a cambiar de bando en tres meses.",3877.7,3879.32,{"idx":4249,"utterance_id":4250,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4251,"start_s":4252,"end_s":4253,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},654,"68288","Seguiremos dialogando.",3879.36,3880.48,{"idx":4255,"utterance_id":4256,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4257,"start_s":4258,"end_s":4259,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},655,"68289","Tengo legitimidad para conversar con ellos y voy a hacerlo.",3880.88,3884.6,{"idx":4261,"utterance_id":4262,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4263,"start_s":4264,"end_s":4265,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},656,"68290","Es mi papel hacerlo.",3884.7,3886.76,{"idx":4267,"utterance_id":4268,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4269,"start_s":4270,"end_s":4271,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":4272,"target_proposition":4273,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4274,"indexable":12},657,"68291","Me comprometí, incluso, a hacer eso.",3886.84,3888.8,"05dd2988-9916-445a-bc75-5d909928edf8","dialogar con el agronegocio y el interior para construir apoyo político","Se compromete públicamente a dialogar con ese sector.",{"idx":4276,"utterance_id":4277,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4278,"start_s":4279,"end_s":4280,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},658,"68292","Pero creo que es muy difícil que cambien.",3889.24,3891.96,{"idx":4282,"utterance_id":4283,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4284,"start_s":4285,"end_s":4286,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},659,"68293","Hay gente por ese lado que vota por la izquierda, que vota por el presidente Lula, que a veces no va a votar en la primera vuelta, pero sí en la segunda vuelta.",3892.54,3898.72,{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":4293,"target_proposition":4294,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4295,"indexable":220},660,"68294","Pero de lo que tenemos que dialogar con el interior de São Paulo es del proyecto de país y del proyecto de Estado que queremos para el interior de São Paulo.",3899.34,3906.5,"8fc3b9a5-1c54-4f05-b38f-044f380a6940","presentar un proyecto de desarrollo y de Estado para el interior de São Paulo","Propone dialogar sobre un proyecto de país y de Estado para el interior.",{"idx":4297,"utterance_id":4298,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4299,"start_s":4300,"end_s":4301,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},661,"68295","São Paulo es el motor de la locomotora llamada Brasil.",3906.92,3909.68,{"idx":4303,"utterance_id":4304,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4305,"start_s":4306,"end_s":4307,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},662,"68296","Si São Paulo va bien, Brasil va bien.",3910.18,3911.8,{"idx":4309,"utterance_id":4310,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4311,"start_s":4312,"end_s":4313,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},663,"68297","Si São Paulo va mal, Brasil lo siente.",3912.12,3913.94,{"idx":4315,"utterance_id":4316,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4317,"start_s":4318,"end_s":4319,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},664,"68298","Todo lo que ocurre de bueno comienza primero aquí.",3914.5,3916.42,{"idx":750,"utterance_id":4321,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4322,"start_s":4323,"end_s":4324,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},"68299","Lamentablemente, quisiéramos que sucediera en todo Brasil, pero primero llega el desarrollo a São Paulo y luego se extiende al interior, hacia otros estados.",3917.16,3926.62,{"idx":4326,"utterance_id":4327,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4328,"start_s":4329,"end_s":4330,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},666,"68300","Y cuando São Paulo va mal, Brasil lo siente.",3926.86,3929.56,{"idx":4332,"utterance_id":4333,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4334,"start_s":4335,"end_s":4336,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},667,"68301","Entonces, hay que dialogar con ese interior de São Paulo y decir cuánto puede mejorar todavía São Paulo.",3929.96,3934.6,{"idx":4338,"utterance_id":4339,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4340,"start_s":4341,"end_s":4342,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":4343,"topic_label":4344,"target_id":4345,"target_proposition":4346,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4347,"indexable":220},668,"68302","Y tener visibilidad y atención en todos los aspectos, inclusive en el agronegocio.",3935.08,3939.7,"politica-local","Política local","368a4757-4808-42b3-a89c-8f4ab0a3f682","dar visibilidad y atención al desarrollo del interior de São Paulo y su agronegocio","Defiende mayor atención en todos los aspectos, incluido el agronegocio.",{"idx":4349,"utterance_id":4350,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4351,"start_s":4352,"end_s":4353,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":4354,"topic_label":4355,"target_id":4356,"target_proposition":4357,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4358,"indexable":220},669,"68303","Pasa por la cuestión de tecnología, de innovación, que es el escaparate.",3940.7,3945.34,"inovacao-e-pesquisa","Innovación y Investigación","3833d950-342e-4e01-b4e2-cdb1670cf7b4","aumentar la inversión pública en investigación agropecuaria","Sugiere tecnología e innovación como vitrina para el sector agropecuario.",{"idx":4360,"utterance_id":4361,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4362,"start_s":4363,"end_s":4364,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},670,"68304","¿Qué tiene el agronegocio de São Paulo diferente del agronegocio de su Mato Grosso, de su Mato Grosso do Sul?",3945.86,3952.04,{"idx":4366,"utterance_id":4367,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4368,"start_s":4369,"end_s":4370,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},671,"68305","¿Qué tiene?",3952.8,3953.24,{"idx":4372,"utterance_id":4373,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4374,"start_s":4375,"end_s":4376,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},672,"68306","Aquí tenemos servicios de excelencia en ciencia y tecnología.",3953.76,3957.02,{"idx":4378,"utterance_id":4379,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4380,"start_s":4381,"end_s":4382,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},673,"68307","Embrapa está en todas partes, pero aquí tienes el mayor puerto.",3957.14,3960.24,{"idx":4384,"utterance_id":4385,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4386,"start_s":4387,"end_s":4388,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},674,"68308","de América Latina.",3960.46,3961.34,{"idx":4390,"utterance_id":4391,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4392,"start_s":4393,"end_s":4394,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},675,"68309","Entonces, tienes logística, tienes infraestructura, tienes tecnología y tienes la salida de la producción.",3961.4,3966.68,{"idx":4396,"utterance_id":4397,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4398,"start_s":4399,"end_s":4400,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":4343,"topic_label":4344,"target_id":4401,"target_proposition":4402,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4403,"indexable":220},676,"68310","Entonces, llevar todo eso de forma aún más potente... con políticas eficientes para el interior de São Paulo.",3967.02,3975.18,"1bb2ba50-961c-4c8d-b34d-9631c69e9df9","implementar políticas de infraestructura, logística y tecnología para fortalecer el interior paulista","Propone llevar logística e infraestructura de forma más fuerte al interior.",{"idx":4405,"utterance_id":4406,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4407,"start_s":4408,"end_s":4409,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},677,"68311","El interior de São Paulo, pero la región metropolitana de São Paulo, o las regiones metropolitanas, no solo de la capital, sino de Sorocaba, en fin, de São José do Rio Preto, todas esas regiones.",3976.24,3987.04,{"idx":4411,"utterance_id":4412,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4413,"start_s":4414,"end_s":4415,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},678,"68312","Creo que hay algo de excelencia que necesita ser puesto allí; no es mi papel.",3988.14,3991.82,{"idx":4417,"utterance_id":4418,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4419,"start_s":4420,"end_s":4421,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},679,"68313","Es mi papel como precandidata al Senado; el Senado tiene esa responsabilidad; esto sirve para todas las grandes regiones metropolitanas de Brasil.",3992.2,3998.98,{"idx":4423,"utterance_id":4424,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4425,"start_s":4426,"end_s":4427,"word_count":265,"topic_slug":4428,"topic_label":4429,"target_id":4430,"target_proposition":4431,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4432,"indexable":220},680,"68314","Creo que un gran programa, además del fin de la escala 6x1, es garantizar al trabajador brasileño —cuando digo trabajador, nos referimos a nosotros, no al trabajador que gana dos sueldos, no— la posibilidad de utilizar el transporte público de forma más eficiente.",3999.36,4012.44,"transporte-publico","Transporte Público","94cce237-cc25-44f8-9715-8e03a991f8fb","mejorar el transporte público","Propone un programa para garantizar transporte público eficiente para el trabajador.",{"idx":4434,"utterance_id":4435,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4436,"start_s":4437,"end_s":4438,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},681,"68315","El primer ministro de Inglaterra va en metro.",4012.62,4015.64,{"idx":4440,"utterance_id":4441,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4442,"start_s":4443,"end_s":4444,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},682,"68316","Y reducir esa cantidad absurda de coches, pero la gente usa coche porque el transporte público es ineficiente.",4016.04,4023.66,{"idx":4446,"utterance_id":4447,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4448,"start_s":4449,"end_s":4450,"word_count":765,"indexable":12},683,"68317","Entonces, llevar a las regiones metropolitanas del estado de São Paulo, por lo tanto, no solo la región metropolitana de la capital, que incluye Guarulhos y todo eso, sino llegar a las otras regiones metropolitanas, la cuestión, por ejemplo, del billete único que funcionó tan bien, que fue... Creo que este ejemplo, perdón si me extiendo, pero yo soy una persona de centro, que deseo tanto el fin de esta polarización, deseo tanto volver al momento en que discutamos Brasil y alcancemos el Brasil de nuestros sueños, que es que discutamos centro, derecha, izquierda, en la misma mesa, jugando, conversando, resolviendo los problemas de Brasil, que quiero dar ejemplos de éxito cuando las ideologías distintas trabajan.",4024,4062.88,{"idx":4452,"utterance_id":4453,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4454,"start_s":4455,"end_s":4456,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},684,"68318","No recuerdo el año, ella también fue mi colega.",4063.62,4066.28,{"idx":4458,"utterance_id":4459,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4460,"start_s":4461,"end_s":4462,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},685,"68319","Marta Suplicy fue... Prefeita de São Paulo.",4066.92,4070.34,{"idx":4464,"utterance_id":4465,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4466,"start_s":4467,"end_s":4468,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},686,"68320","Creo que fue la segunda.",4070.42,4071.1,{"idx":4470,"utterance_id":4471,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4472,"start_s":4473,"end_s":4474,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},687,"68321","¿Irundina fue la primera?",4071.14,4072.12,{"idx":4476,"utterance_id":4477,"speaker_name":8,"text":4478,"start_s":4479,"end_s":4480,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},688,"68322","Irundina fue la primera.",4072.16,4072.96,{"idx":4482,"utterance_id":4483,"speaker_name":8,"text":4484,"start_s":4485,"end_s":4486,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},689,"68323","Fue la primera.",4073.04,4073.92,{"idx":4488,"utterance_id":4489,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4490,"start_s":4491,"end_s":4492,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},690,"68324","Entonces, 2002, 2003, 2004.",4074.52,4074.86,{"idx":4494,"utterance_id":4495,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4496,"start_s":4497,"end_s":4498,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},691,"68325","Ella creó el billete único, que hasta hoy todo el mundo reconoce.",4078.58,4081.22,{"idx":4500,"utterance_id":4501,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4502,"start_s":4503,"end_s":4504,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},692,"68326","Acabó con la marca de Zanza.",4081.26,4082.56,{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},693,"68327","Que acabó con la marca de Zanza.",4082.7,4083.7,{"idx":4512,"utterance_id":4513,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4514,"start_s":4515,"end_s":4516,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},694,"68328","Pero ¿cuál fue el primer paso?",4083.96,4085.46,{"idx":4518,"utterance_id":4519,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4520,"start_s":4521,"end_s":4522,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},695,"68329","Es lo que ella consiguió en ese momento.",4085.5,4086.94,{"idx":4524,"utterance_id":4525,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4526,"start_s":4527,"end_s":4528,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},696,"68330","Unificar el billete del transporte colectivo llamado autobús.",4087.14,4091.04,{"idx":4530,"utterance_id":4531,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4532,"start_s":4533,"end_s":4534,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},697,"68331","Llegó Serra y no resolvió decir, bueno, es porque es de la izquierda que voy a... Incluso porque era una política de éxito.",4092.16,4097.98,{"idx":4536,"utterance_id":4537,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4538,"start_s":4539,"end_s":4540,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},698,"68332","¿Qué hizo Serra Alckmin?",4098.3,4100.04,{"idx":4542,"utterance_id":4543,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4544,"start_s":4545,"end_s":4546,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},699,"68333","Plantaron el billete único en relación a todo el transporte colectivo.",4100.96,4105.34,{"idx":4548,"utterance_id":4549,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4550,"start_s":4551,"end_s":4552,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},700,"68334","Entonces incluyeron autobús, metro y tren.",4105.42,4108.2,{"idx":4554,"utterance_id":4555,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4556,"start_s":4557,"end_s":4558,"word_count":289,"indexable":12},701,"68335","Llegó Dória, que incluso, sé que hay un cuestionamiento en relación a que no hubo, parece que licitación, pero en fin, puede que la haya habido, puede incluso mejorar, y creó otro sistema que es el sistema de billetaje digital, el TOP, en fin.",4109.22,4122.64,{"idx":4560,"utterance_id":4561,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4562,"start_s":4563,"end_s":4564,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":4565,"target_proposition":4566,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":4567,"rationale":4568,"indexable":12},702,"68336","¿Qué quiero mostrar con esto?",4123.22,4124.22,"b1cd4ab7-c6bd-4e80-aef1-920b9e85931c","implementar políticas públicas con continuidad y constancia de propósito",0.89,"Defiende perfeccionar proyectos públicos incluso con gobiernos de diferentes ideologías.",{"idx":4570,"utterance_id":4571,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4572,"start_s":4573,"end_s":4574,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},703,"68337","Tienes tres visiones del mundo diferentes, o de Brasil diferentes, ideologías distintas, y no es porque cambió el gobierno que cambió el sistema.",4124.3,4132.18,{"idx":4576,"utterance_id":4577,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4578,"start_s":4579,"end_s":4580,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},704,"68338","Uno fue perfeccionando el proyecto del otro.",4132.4,4134.52,{"idx":4582,"utterance_id":4583,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4584,"start_s":4585,"end_s":4586,"word_count":259,"indexable":12},705,"68339","Todo esto para decir lo siguiente: tenemos problemas y soluciones que trascienden ideologías y polarización, y no avanzamos porque nos quedamos discutiendo esto: ah, es del gobierno, yo soy oposición, entonces voy a votar en contra.",4134.92,4148.62,{"idx":4588,"utterance_id":4589,"speaker_name":8,"text":4590,"start_s":4591,"end_s":4592,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},706,"68340","Esta es también una crítica al gobierno del que usted formó parte, en el que estuvo.",4148.68,4151.66,{"idx":4594,"utterance_id":4595,"speaker_name":8,"text":4596,"start_s":4597,"end_s":4598,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},707,"68341","Porque muchas cosas del gobierno anterior no tuvieron continuidad.",4151.7,4155.58,{"idx":4600,"utterance_id":4601,"speaker_name":8,"text":4602,"start_s":4603,"end_s":4604,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},708,"68342","Incluso cambió el nombre de Minha Casa Verde Amaral a Minha Casa Minha Vida, Bolsa Família, esas cosas mínimas.",4155.92,4161.52,{"idx":4606,"utterance_id":4607,"speaker_name":8,"text":4608,"start_s":4609,"end_s":4610,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},709,"68343","Pero antes era Minha Casa Minha Vida, ¿no?",4161.58,4165.82,{"idx":4612,"utterance_id":4613,"speaker_name":8,"text":4614,"start_s":4615,"end_s":4616,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},710,"68344","Toda la vida fue Minha Casa Minha Vida.",4165.86,4167.16,{"idx":4618,"utterance_id":4619,"speaker_name":8,"text":4620,"start_s":4621,"end_s":4622,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},711,"68345","Fueron ellos los que cambiaron el nombre, ¿no?",4167.2,4167.74,{"idx":4624,"utterance_id":4625,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4626,"start_s":4627,"end_s":4628,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},712,"68346","¿Lo mismo, el mismo resultado?",4167.78,4168.6,{"idx":4630,"utterance_id":4631,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4632,"start_s":4633,"end_s":4634,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},713,"68347","El nombre.",4168.64,4168.9,{"idx":4636,"utterance_id":4637,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4638,"start_s":4639,"end_s":4640,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":4641,"target_proposition":4642,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4643,"indexable":220},714,"68348","No me preocupo por cambiar; incluso creo que tiene que cambiar.",4168.94,4170.62,"1a322bcd-eaa0-404f-8c96-b03b87fb25dd","fortalecer programas de transferencia de ingresos (Bolsa Família)","Dice no preocuparse por cambiar nombres si hay mejoras.",{"idx":4645,"utterance_id":4646,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4647,"start_s":4648,"end_s":4649,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},715,"68349","No tengo problema en cambiar.",4171.16,4172.22,{"idx":4651,"utterance_id":4652,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4653,"start_s":4654,"end_s":4655,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},716,"68350","Sí, creo que el nombre, porque si lo perfeccionas, Bruno, creo que puede cambiar.",4172.26,4177.16,{"idx":4657,"utterance_id":4658,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4659,"start_s":4660,"end_s":4661,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},717,"68351","Creo que solo hay que reconocer que las cosas funcionan.",4177.64,4180.66,{"idx":4663,"utterance_id":4664,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4665,"start_s":4666,"end_s":4667,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},718,"68352","Hago críticas al PT cuando hay que hacerlas.",4182.22,4185.14,{"idx":4669,"utterance_id":4670,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4671,"start_s":4672,"end_s":4673,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},719,"68353","Y también porque fui oposición al PT durante muchos años.",4185.18,4187.62,{"idx":4675,"utterance_id":4676,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4677,"start_s":4678,"end_s":4679,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},720,"68354","Tomé una decisión en mi vida muy clara, con mucha conciencia.",4188.1,4193.1,{"idx":4681,"utterance_id":4682,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4683,"start_s":4684,"end_s":4685,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},721,"68355","Para mí, 2022 fue un hito en el siguiente sentido.",4193.56,4197.04,{"idx":4687,"utterance_id":4688,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4689,"start_s":4690,"end_s":4691,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},722,"68356","Por primera vez desde la redemocratización, las urnas no llevaron a dos demócratas a la segunda vuelta.",4197.5,4202.82,{"idx":4693,"utterance_id":4694,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4695,"start_s":4696,"end_s":4697,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},723,"68357","No llevaron.",4203.78,4204.32,{"idx":4699,"utterance_id":4700,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4701,"start_s":4702,"end_s":4703,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":4704,"topic_label":4705,"target_id":4706,"target_proposition":4707,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":4708,"indexable":220},724,"68358","Fui candidata porque fui candidata contra un presidente que, para mí, tenía sesgo y coqueteaba con el autoritarismo.",4204.78,4212.22,"democracia-e-participacao-eleitoral","Democracia y participación electoral","e2a765ee-cc86-4470-9e46-32d4ab527883","proteger el Estado democrático de derecho contra sesgos autoritarios","Justifica la candidatura por la defensa frente a un sesgo autoritario.",{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},725,"68359","Fui senadora.",4212.86,4214.06,{"idx":4716,"utterance_id":4717,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4718,"start_s":4719,"end_s":4720,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},726,"68360","en la época en que Bolsonaro era presidente de la República.",4214.72,4216.98,{"idx":4722,"utterance_id":4723,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4724,"start_s":4725,"end_s":4726,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":4727,"topic_label":4728,"target_id":4729,"target_proposition":4730,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4731,"indexable":220},727,"68361","Y vi las agendas sectarias de retrocesos; vi cómo fue la Covid, cuántas personas podrían haber sido salvadas si no hubiera existido el negacionismo respecto a la vacuna.",4217.86,4227.66,"politica-de-vacinacao","Política de Vacunación","c34f58af-c2e9-4a49-ad91-47e47e2025f9","implementar políticas de salud pública basadas en la ciencia, incluyendo la vacunación","Critica el negacionismo y dice que las vacunas habrían salvado vidas.",{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":421,"indexable":12},728,"68362","Entonces, cuando fui a una contienda, fui como tercera vía, disputando por una tercera vía, porque pensaba que el proyecto ideal no era ninguno de los dos, pero tenía absoluta conciencia de qué lado estaría en la segunda vuelta si no llegara a la segunda vuelta en las urnas, porque uno era demócrata y el otro no.",4227.7,4243.3,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},729,"68363","¿Tengo críticas al gobierno?",4243.72,4244.92,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},730,"68364","Sí.",4245.02,4245.26,{"idx":4751,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":4756,"topic_label":4757,"target_id":4758,"target_proposition":4759,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":4760,"indexable":220},731,"68365","Críticas que hice directamente al presidente Lula, directamente al equipo económico.",4245.72,4249.94,"aliancas-politicas","Alianzas políticas","b2f10c0b-3675-4f39-a6e6-3627ace06788","formar coaliciones políticas unidas por la defensa de la democracia","Afirma que la unión en torno al proyecto democrático supera las diferencias.",{"idx":4762,"utterance_id":4763,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4764,"start_s":4765,"end_s":4766,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},732,"68366","Pero lo que me une a este proyecto es infinitamente mayor que todas las diferencias que tengo.",4250.74,4256.42,{"idx":4768,"utterance_id":4769,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4770,"start_s":4771,"end_s":4772,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},733,"68367","Porque empieza por la democracia, pasa por lo que entiendo por país como país soberano.",4256.78,4261.24,{"idx":4774,"utterance_id":4775,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4776,"start_s":4777,"end_s":4778,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":3941,"topic_label":3942,"target_id":4779,"target_proposition":4780,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4781,"indexable":220},734,"68368","Vamos a acabar con esa... visión equivocada, pequeña, mezquina, de complejo de inferioridad.",4261.34,4267.64,"b637f3b7-0b01-48a7-b061-7a4d2ff1a881","proteger la soberanía nacional","Rechaza la visión de un país subserviente y defiende la soberanía.",{"idx":4783,"utterance_id":4784,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4785,"start_s":4786,"end_s":4787,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},735,"68369","Brasil es una gran potencia.",4268.04,4270.26,{"idx":4789,"utterance_id":4790,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4791,"start_s":4792,"end_s":4793,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},736,"68370","Países mucho más pequeños que Brasil alcanzaron niveles de desarrollo, de calidad de vida.",4270.72,4276.8,{"idx":4795,"utterance_id":4796,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4797,"start_s":4798,"end_s":4799,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},737,"68371","Se habla de Corea del Sur, pasando por tantos países como Japón.",4276.84,4280.62,{"idx":4801,"utterance_id":4802,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4803,"start_s":4804,"end_s":4805,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},738,"68372","Porque no tienen ese sentimiento completo de vira-lata.",4281.3,4283.84,{"idx":4807,"utterance_id":4808,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4809,"start_s":4810,"end_s":4811,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},739,"68373","Y tenemos un sentimiento de subordinación respecto a países como Estados Unidos, o con China, o con cualquier otro país, que no nos corresponde.",4284.14,4292.38,{"idx":827,"utterance_id":4813,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4814,"start_s":4815,"end_s":4816,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},"68374","El país es muy grande, no hay nada esencial que el mundo necesite y que Brasil no tenga.",4292.52,4297.96,{"idx":4818,"utterance_id":4819,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4820,"start_s":4821,"end_s":4822,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},741,"68375","Indíqueme un caso.",4298.8,4300.06,{"idx":4824,"utterance_id":4825,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4826,"start_s":4827,"end_s":4828,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},742,"68376","Y nos quedamos con ese equívoco de la visión de un país pequeño que depende de A, de B o C para desarrollarse.",4300.38,4308.14,{"idx":4830,"utterance_id":4831,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4832,"start_s":4833,"end_s":4834,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},743,"68377","No necesitamos eso.",4308.4,4309.44,{"idx":4836,"utterance_id":4837,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4838,"start_s":4839,"end_s":4840,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},744,"68378","Ministra, esta semana hablé con algunas personas del PT aquí en São Paulo que dijeron que había una tendencia a que Márcio França pudiera ser el vicegobernador en la fórmula de Haddad.",4309.78,4318.98,{"idx":4842,"utterance_id":4843,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4844,"start_s":4845,"end_s":4846,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},745,"68379","Pero cuando hablo con la gente del PSB, es otra cosa la que oigo: que Márcio França es precandidato al Senado.",4320.22,4325.66,{"idx":4848,"utterance_id":4849,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4850,"start_s":4851,"end_s":4852,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},746,"68380","que hace tiempo que no conversa con el presidente Lula, como 15 días, que Lula no le dijo nada sobre esta cuestión de ser vice de Haddad.",4326.54,4334.1,{"idx":4854,"utterance_id":4855,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4856,"start_s":4857,"end_s":4858,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},747,"68381","Por otro lado, usted ya se presenta como candidata al Senado, está liderando las encuestas junto con Marina Silva.",4335.16,4341.84,{"idx":4860,"utterance_id":4861,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4862,"start_s":4863,"end_s":4864,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":4756,"topic_label":4757,"target_id":4865,"target_proposition":4866,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1239,"rationale":4867,"indexable":12},748,"68382","Quería saber si, primero, el PSB puede tener dos plazas en el Senado, ¿no habría una... desarmonización en las fuerzas de la alianza en torno a la candidatura de Haddad?",4341.88,4353.1,"4d93f048-b5e2-4300-83a9-fc739656c72c","que el PSB lance dos precandidatos al Senado","Pregunta si el PSB conseguiría dos vacantes y señala el riesgo de desarmonización.",{"idx":4869,"utterance_id":4870,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4871,"start_s":4872,"end_s":4873,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":4756,"topic_label":4757,"target_id":4874,"target_proposition":4875,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4876,"indexable":220},749,"68383","Y segundo, si no sería perder una oportunidad, teniendo a usted y a Marina Silva liderando las encuestas, poner a Márcio França en una de esas plazas.",4353.6,4361.12,"f53a5b76-dec6-4563-a2dc-51b64bd43b16","indicar a Márcio França como candidato al Senado","Propone colocar a Márcio França en una de las vacantes explícitamente.",{"idx":4878,"utterance_id":4879,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4880,"start_s":4881,"end_s":4882,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":4756,"topic_label":4757,"target_id":4865,"target_proposition":4866,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4883,"indexable":220},750,"68384","Ramiro, no veo ninguna dificultad en que el PSB tenga dos precandidatos al Senado.",4361.7,4365.54,"Afirma no ver dificultad de que el PSB tenga dos precandidaturas.",{"idx":4885,"utterance_id":4886,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4887,"start_s":4888,"end_s":4889,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},751,"68385","Y eso no será lo que incline la balanza.",4366.52,4369.74,{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4893,"start_s":4894,"end_s":4895,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":4896,"target_proposition":4897,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":4898,"indexable":12},752,"68386","Lo decisivo significa el proyecto de reelección del presidente Lula en esa amplia concertación de un frente amplio, donde, a mi juicio, el colegio electoral que va a decidir la elección nacional es São Paulo.",4371,4381.84,"f578242f-e11c-495a-a81c-14a59fb13850","buscar la reelección del presidente Lula","Describe el proyecto de reelección como el 'fiel da balança' y el papel de SP.",{"idx":4900,"utterance_id":4901,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4902,"start_s":4903,"end_s":4904,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},753,"68387","Tengo esa conciencia, Marina la tiene y Márcio França la tiene.",4382.44,4386.46,{"idx":4906,"utterance_id":4907,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4908,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},754,"68388","Elogié todas las cualidades de los cuatro para decir que pueden desempeñarse en cualquier posición.",4386.84,4392.66,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},755,"68389","Y ellos tienen esa conciencia.",4393.98,4395.2,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":295,"indexable":12},756,"68390","Como no han sido convocados aún, como estamos algo lejos de la convención, creo que eso puede alargarse quizá hasta finales de este mes, quiero creer que se resolverá en 10 días, pero puede prolongarse; es legítimo que ambos se posicionen.",4395.8,4408.46,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":4929,"topic_label":4930,"target_id":4931,"target_proposition":4932,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4933,"indexable":220},757,"68391","Mire, soy precandidata porque, por ahora, nadie me pidió que no fuera precandidata.",4408.54,4414.54,"candidaturas-e-filiacao","Candidaturas y Afiliación","c7655b54-a639-47dd-9095-54d3f9130030","mantener mi precandidatura","Declara textualmente 'sou pré-candidato' como posición actual.",{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},758,"68392","Márcio França, a mi juicio, es muy combativo, conoce São Paulo, conoce muy bien São Paulo.",4415.72,4420.92,{"idx":4941,"utterance_id":4942,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4943,"start_s":4944,"end_s":4945,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":4756,"topic_label":4757,"target_id":4946,"target_proposition":4947,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1239,"rationale":4948,"indexable":12},759,"68393","¿Sería un excelente vicegobernador?",4421.38,4422.54,"81abb3db-bc66-4543-b292-139b1419d50d","indicar a Márcio França como vicepresidente en la fórmula","Plantea como pregunta la posibilidad de que Márcio França sea vicepresidente.",{"idx":4950,"utterance_id":4951,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4952,"start_s":4953,"end_s":4954,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},760,"68394","Sin ninguna duda.",4423.06,4423.92,{"idx":4956,"utterance_id":4957,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4958,"start_s":4959,"end_s":4960,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},761,"68395","Pero esa decisión colectiva aún no ha ocurrido.",4424.34,4426.78,{"idx":4962,"utterance_id":4963,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4964,"start_s":4965,"end_s":4966,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},762,"68396","Entonces, ¿cuál es la posición que tanto Marina como Márcio van a tomar?",4427.16,4430.7,{"idx":4968,"utterance_id":4969,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4970,"start_s":4971,"end_s":4972,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":4756,"topic_label":4757,"target_id":4973,"target_proposition":4974,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4975,"indexable":220},763,"68397","Es una decisión que corresponde principalmente al presidente Lula, junto con el precandidato Haddad, porque él es el precandidato a gobernador, necesita sentirse cómodo con esa fórmula, con los demás, con los dos.",4430.74,4441.82,"b4dfeff4-4268-453f-a7f8-dbf46c0f1933","formar composiciones electorales en Ceará","Afirma que la decisión corresponde a Lula junto con Haddad (descriptivo).",{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":4982,"target_proposition":4983,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2520,"rationale":4984,"indexable":220},764,"68398","Puedo aquí dar mi colaboración dentro de este proceso, no tengo, puedo tener preferencia, porque mi preferencia es la reelección del presidente Lula, ¿usted está a favor de una reelección?",4442.18,4454.08,"6478ae7b-356a-4b32-885b-ebc3ff31f0ae","apoyar la reelección del presidente Lula","Dice explícitamente que su preferencia es la reelección de Lula.",{"idx":4986,"utterance_id":4987,"speaker_name":8,"text":4988,"start_s":4989,"end_s":4990,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":4991,"target_proposition":4992,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":4993,"indexable":12},765,"68399","Usted ya hizo un discurso en contra de la reelección.",4454.54,4456.42,"f5b09c8c-68ed-4749-b72f-a36eaced99e5","hacer discurso contra la reelección","Relata que la entrevistadora afirma haber pronunciado un discurso contra la reelección.",{"idx":4995,"utterance_id":4996,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4997,"start_s":4998,"end_s":4999,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5000,"target_proposition":5001,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5002,"indexable":220},766,"68400","No, creo que Brasil tiene que rediscutir la reelección en Brasil.",4456.66,4459.64,"23e58a46-c921-4928-805b-0cc78e11f823","replantear el sistema de reelección en Brasil","Afirma que Brasil necesita rediscutir la reelección.",{"idx":5004,"utterance_id":5005,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5006,"start_s":5007,"end_s":5008,"word_count":28,"topic_slug":4138,"topic_label":4139,"target_id":5009,"target_proposition":5010,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5011,"indexable":12},767,"68401","Yo estaba a favor.",4459.76,4460.36,"f500075c-d660-4274-9b12-7fe621cc9740","estar a favor de la reelección","Relata una posición pasada ('eu era a favor').",{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},768,"68402","Allá atrás, cuando Fernando Henrique discutió la reelección, yo creía que cuatro años son muy pocos.",4460.42,4468.02,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5024,"target_proposition":5025,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5026,"indexable":12},769,"68403","Además, creo que cuatro años son muy pocos.",4468.08,4469.66,"bcac491d-bd32-4460-9cf6-0df8e2adaa5c","extender mandatos presidenciales a cinco años","Afirma que cuatro años son pocos, sugiriendo mandatos más largos.",{"idx":5028,"utterance_id":5029,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5030,"start_s":5031,"end_s":5032,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5033,"target_proposition":5034,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":5035,"indexable":220},770,"68404","Estoy a favor de escuchar a la sociedad sobre el fin de la reelección con mandato de cinco años.",4469.78,4474.14,"ed485923-f648-4c5c-a51a-e3f2280d8661","acabar con la reelección e instituir mandato presidencial de cinco años","Declara explícitamente estar a favor del fin de la reelección y de mandatos de cinco años.",{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},771,"68405","Ya fui alcaldesa, reelegida alcaldesa.",4475.06,4476.98,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},772,"68406","Creo que ocho años es demasiado tiempo.",4477.02,4478.42,{"idx":5049,"utterance_id":5050,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5051,"start_s":5052,"end_s":5053,"word_count":456,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5054,"target_proposition":5055,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5056,"indexable":220},773,"68407","Y cuatro años, creo que puede... unificar las elecciones, aunque tengamos, que no en esta, eh, para no estar abogando por interés propio, aunque tengamos que ampliar el Senado en el futuro, eh, a 10 años, con como máximo una reelección para senador para que no quede 30, 40 años en el poder, podemos limitar también, pero estoy a favor de unificar las elecciones.",4478.98,4500.32,"65c4c8bf-b24d-4bda-a0d7-06a47506b8b7","unificar las elecciones y limitar mandatos y reelección","Defiende la unificación de las elecciones y límites a los mandatos y a la reelección.",{"idx":5058,"utterance_id":5059,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5060,"start_s":5061,"end_s":5062,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},774,"68408","Paralizamos Brasil, cada dos años, durante cuatro o cinco meses, y todo lo que tenemos que avanzar.",4501.56,4506.54,{"idx":5064,"utterance_id":5065,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5066,"start_s":5067,"end_s":5068,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},775,"68409","¿Cuántos proyectos estratégicos están allí en el Senado para ser votados?",4506.82,4509.84,{"idx":5070,"utterance_id":5071,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5072,"start_s":5073,"end_s":5074,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},776,"68410","¿y ahora, después de la Copa del Mundo, se va a paralizar porque hay elecciones?",4510.18,4513.1,{"idx":5076,"utterance_id":5077,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5078,"start_s":5079,"end_s":5080,"word_count":277,"topic_slug":5081,"topic_label":5082,"target_id":5083,"target_proposition":5084,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5085,"indexable":220},777,"68411","Entonces, creo que tenemos que discutir, si me permite, más que hablo mucho sobre la reforma del poder judicial, que creo que debemos... debatir ese tema también, tenemos que discutir la reforma política en Brasil.",4513.3,4524.68,"reforma-do-judiciario-stf","Reforma judicial \u002F STF","aac98a94-f5de-48f0-84f2-d89c407d8b32","realizar la reforma del Poder Judicial","Pide debatir la reforma del Poder Judicial como tema importante.",{"idx":5087,"utterance_id":5088,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5089,"start_s":5090,"end_s":5091,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},778,"68412","Esta es la madre de todas las reformas.",4524.94,4526.34,{"idx":5093,"utterance_id":5094,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5095,"start_s":5096,"end_s":5097,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},779,"68413","Es un poco en la línea de Veiros que comenzó.",4526.84,4528.84,{"idx":5099,"utterance_id":5100,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5101,"start_s":5102,"end_s":5103,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},780,"68414","Y entonces, ¿qué falta?",4528.9,4529.66,{"idx":5105,"utterance_id":5106,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5107,"start_s":5108,"end_s":5109,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},781,"68415","¿Qué está pasando?",4529.7,4530.54,{"idx":5111,"utterance_id":5112,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5113,"start_s":5114,"end_s":5115,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},782,"68416","¿Partidos políticos debilitados?",4531.02,4532.56,{"idx":5117,"utterance_id":5118,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5119,"start_s":5120,"end_s":5121,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},783,"68417","Reforma política para resolver esa cuestión.",4532.94,4534.72,{"idx":5123,"utterance_id":5124,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5125,"start_s":5126,"end_s":5127,"word_count":468,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5128,"target_proposition":5129,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5130,"indexable":220},784,"68418","Discutir en el ejecutivo el fin de la reelección, la sociedad tiene que ser escuchada, discutir dentro del legislativo límites para las enmiendas parlamentarias, transparencia, acabar con privilegios, dentro del propio poder judicial, no solo una autocontención con un código de conducta, aunque... pueda ser re-discutido, pero además avanzar, por ejemplo, y acabar definitivamente, como el CNJ está haciendo, con esa jubilación compulsoria para quien comete un delito en el poder judicial; eso es un absurdo.",4536.16,4567.8,"3f7dbc72-5eb2-47d9-8b46-85f0971fe047","debatir el fin de la reelección y aumentar la transparencia en las enmiendas parlamentarias","Propone debatir el fin de la reelección y límites\u002Ftransparencia en las enmiendas.",{"idx":5132,"utterance_id":5133,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5134,"start_s":5135,"end_s":5136,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},785,"68419","Si se comete un delito en cualquier lugar del mundo, cualquier trabajador que comete un delito sufre la sanción correspondiente.",4568.28,4574.04,{"idx":5138,"utterance_id":5139,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5140,"start_s":5141,"end_s":5142,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},786,"68420","Es cesado, es despedido y jubilado de forma compulsoria con salario íntegro.",4574.22,4578.82,{"idx":5144,"utterance_id":5145,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5146,"start_s":5147,"end_s":5148,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},787,"68421","Entonces tenemos una reforma política seria e importante que hacer en el país.",4579.2,4582.36,{"idx":5150,"utterance_id":5151,"speaker_name":8,"text":5152,"start_s":5153,"end_s":5154,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},788,"68422","Vamos a programar un especial en directo sobre la reforma y usted está invitada a debatir sobre ello.",4582.4,4587.2,{"idx":5156,"utterance_id":5157,"speaker_name":8,"text":5158,"start_s":5159,"end_s":5160,"word_count":253,"indexable":12},789,"68423","Pero creo que es exactamente sobre eso que me pareció interesante que usted comentara, ministra, que es en relación con esa cuestión del código de conducta, pero al mismo tiempo en relación con los cambios en el poder judicial.",4587.24,4596.7,{"idx":5162,"utterance_id":5163,"speaker_name":8,"text":5164,"start_s":5165,"end_s":5166,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5171,"indexable":12},790,"68424","Lo que fue elegido, el gran debate que habrá dentro del Senado en la próxima legislatura, es la posibilidad de juicio político (impeachment) de los ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",4597.4,4604.96,"poder-judiciario","Poder judicial","273c37b3-619d-4220-a8c1-5f80540d6551","abrir proceso de impeachment contra ministros del STF","Señala que hay un intenso debate y pedidos de impeachment en la próxima legislatura.",{"idx":5173,"utterance_id":5174,"speaker_name":8,"text":5175,"start_s":5176,"end_s":5177,"word_count":289,"indexable":12},791,"68425","Quería saber de usted si hay una evaluación respecto a esa posibilidad de impeachment, si usted defiende la posibilidad al menos de discusión, porque tenemos allí más de 40 pedidos, 50 pedidos de impeachment retenidos en la mesa del presidente del Senado, Davi Alcolumbre.",4605.52,4619.92,{"idx":5179,"utterance_id":5180,"speaker_name":8,"text":5181,"start_s":5182,"end_s":5183,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},792,"68426","Entonces, quería saber de usted si considera que es necesario el debate o incluso crear un mandato",4620.28,4625.94,{"idx":5185,"utterance_id":5186,"speaker_name":8,"text":5187,"start_s":5188,"end_s":5189,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5190,"target_proposition":5191,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5192,"indexable":12},793,"68427","para esos ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) de hasta 10 años.",4626.44,4629.68,"ab8d098b-295c-429d-bb80-15f0fd0213c6","establecer mandato de hasta 10 años para ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","El entrevistador sugiere crear mandatos de hasta 10 años para los ministros.",{"idx":5194,"utterance_id":5195,"speaker_name":8,"text":5196,"start_s":5197,"end_s":5198,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},794,"68428","Y, al mismo tiempo, quería saber qué cree usted que debería declararse, qué debería incluirse en ese Código de Conducta debatido por el ministro presidente Edson Fachin.",4630.08,4639.96,{"idx":5200,"utterance_id":5201,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5202,"start_s":5203,"end_s":5204,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5205,"indexable":220},795,"68429","Bueno, primero: ¿está en la Constitución la posibilidad de impeachment de un ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",4640.74,4645.86,"Afirma que la Constitución prevé el impeachment de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":5207,"utterance_id":5208,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4747,"start_s":5209,"end_s":5210,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},796,"68430",4646.4,4646.62,{"idx":5212,"utterance_id":5213,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5214,"start_s":5215,"end_s":5216,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},797,"68431","Entonces, existe la posibilidad de impeachment de quien sea.",4647.2,4650.2,{"idx":5218,"utterance_id":5219,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5220,"start_s":5221,"end_s":5222,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},798,"68432","Vivimos en una república.",4650.6,4652.06,{"idx":5224,"utterance_id":5225,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5226,"start_s":5227,"end_s":5228,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},799,"68433","La república significa que nadie está por encima de la ley.",4652.54,4655.5,{"idx":5230,"utterance_id":5231,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1449,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},800,"68434",4655.8,4656.12,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},801,"68435","Si puedo someter a impeachment a un presidente o a una presidenta, puedo someter a impeachment a cualquier autoridad pública prevista en la Constitución.",4656.4,4663.52,{"idx":5241,"utterance_id":5242,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5243,"start_s":5244,"end_s":5245,"word_count":197,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5246,"indexable":220},802,"68436","Lo único que debo hacer es una diferenciación, porque no es normal tener 40 procesos de impeachment allí; lo que importa es cuáles son los procesos de impeachment basados en los requisitos de la Constitución.",4664.34,4674.44,"Pide diferenciación: los procesos deben seguir los requisitos constitucionales.",{"idx":5248,"utterance_id":5249,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5250,"start_s":5251,"end_s":5252,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},803,"68437","Y debe haberlos.",4674.6,4675.12,{"idx":5254,"utterance_id":5255,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5256,"start_s":5257,"end_s":5258,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5259,"indexable":220},804,"68438","Y por eso debe abrirse el proceso de impeachment con amplia defensa y discutir el proceso.",4675.88,4679.6,"Afirma que debe abrirse un impeachment con amplia defensa y debate.",{"idx":5261,"utterance_id":5262,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5263,"start_s":5264,"end_s":5265,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},805,"68439","Solo tengo que separar qué es abuso de poder.",4679.98,4682.5,{"idx":5267,"utterance_id":5268,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5269,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5271,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},806,"68440","sospechas de corrupción, de lavado de dinero, de venta de sentencias,",4683.16,4687.7,{"idx":5273,"utterance_id":5274,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5275,"start_s":5276,"end_s":5277,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},807,"68441","etc.",4687.78,4687.9,{"idx":5279,"utterance_id":5280,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5281,"start_s":5282,"end_s":5283,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":5284,"indexable":220},808,"68442","que exista la posibilidad de impeachment de un ministro del STF por el llamado 'delito de interpretación', que no está previsto en la Constitución brasileña.",4689,4696.86,"Rechaza el impeachment por 'crime de interpretação', no previsto en la Constitución.",{"idx":5286,"utterance_id":5287,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5288,"start_s":5289,"end_s":5290,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":5291,"indexable":220},809,"68443","No es porque yo no estuve de acuerdo con la decisión de un juez, de un magistrado, de un ministro de Estado —y cuántas veces no estuve de acuerdo con un ministro del STF, y cuántas veces no estuve de acuerdo, además porque soy jurista, di clases 12 años de derecho administrativo constitucional—.",4697.32,4710.38,"Dice que la discrepancia con una decisión no justifica que el ministro 'caia'.",{"idx":5293,"utterance_id":5294,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5295,"start_s":5296,"end_s":5297,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},810,"68444","No es porque no esté de acuerdo con sus decisiones, incluso con la pena que haya impuesto de más, que yo consideré abusiva y que fue convalidada en el pleno del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), que creo que ese ministro tiene que caer.",4712.24,4722.7,{"idx":5299,"utterance_id":5300,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5301,"start_s":5302,"end_s":5303,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},811,"68445","Eso no puede.",4722.8,4723.52,{"idx":5305,"utterance_id":5306,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5307,"start_s":5308,"end_s":5309,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5310,"indexable":12},812,"68446","Eso sería acabar con la democracia.",4723.56,4725.74,"Afirma que tal práctica sería 'acabar com a democracia'.",{"idx":5312,"utterance_id":5313,"speaker_name":8,"text":5314,"start_s":5315,"end_s":5316,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},813,"68447","Entraría en la ideología, ¿no?",4726.18,4727.44,{"idx":5318,"utterance_id":5319,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5320,"start_s":5321,"end_s":5322,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},814,"68448","Sí, acabar con la democracia.",4727.52,4728.58,{"idx":5324,"utterance_id":5325,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5326,"start_s":5327,"end_s":5328,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":5329,"topic_label":5330,"target_id":5331,"target_proposition":5332,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":5333,"indexable":220},815,"68449","Lo mismo que se diría: ahora quiero someter a impeachment a un senador de la República, quiero someter a impeachment a uno, o incluso a un presidente de la República, porque creó una política pública con la que no estoy de acuerdo.",4728.62,4736.84,"instituicoes","Instituciones","feab0db7-4d7c-4d0d-89b1-7b042a9870ff","usar el impeachment para castigar la creación de políticas públicas","Advierte contra el impeachment por mera discrepancia sobre políticas públicas.",{"idx":5335,"utterance_id":5336,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5337,"start_s":5338,"end_s":5339,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},816,"68450","Ahí es el fin de todo lo que conocemos.",4737.54,4739.2,{"idx":5341,"utterance_id":5342,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5343,"start_s":5344,"end_s":5345,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},817,"68451","Y eso sucede.",4739.64,4740.74,{"idx":5347,"utterance_id":5348,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5349,"start_s":5350,"end_s":5351,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},818,"68452","Entonces, se empieza a crear pedidos de impeachment contra ministros del STF por el simple 'delito de interpretación', debido a decisiones monocráticas que después fueron ratificadas por el pleno y con las que determinados sectores no están de acuerdo.",4740.78,4753.92,{"idx":5353,"utterance_id":5354,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5355,"start_s":5356,"end_s":5357,"word_count":11,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5169,"target_proposition":5170,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5358,"indexable":220},819,"68453","Ahora bien, si hay sospechas y denuncias graves de abuso de poder, sea cual fuere, se abre un proceso de impeachment.",4754.02,4761.86,"Afirma que en casos de sospechas graves debe abrirse un impeachment.",{"idx":5360,"utterance_id":5361,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5362,"start_s":5363,"end_s":5364,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},820,"68454","Ahora... Usted tocó el segundo punto.",4762.28,4765.08,{"idx":5366,"utterance_id":5367,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5368,"start_s":5369,"end_s":5370,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5371,"target_proposition":5372,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5373,"indexable":220},821,"68455","No solo estoy a favor de limitar el mandato, el tiempo de permanencia de un ministro dentro del STF, sino que ya voté a favor de eso.",4765.44,4774.08,"c355d500-30c2-49bc-9ad4-585742302582","establecer mandatos limitados para ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) (por ejemplo 10-12 años)","Declara estar a favor de limitar el tiempo de permanencia de los ministros.",{"idx":5375,"utterance_id":5376,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5377,"start_s":5378,"end_s":5379,"word_count":439,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5371,"target_proposition":5372,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":5380,"indexable":220},822,"68456","Cuando yo estaba en el Senado, en la CCJ, aprobamos un proyecto que no siguió adelante, limitando la vitalicidad, que es otra cosa: no puedo ser condenado, no puedo ser removido por una decisión de un presidente; voy a destituir al ministro, pero por mandato, que podría ser 10 años, 12 años, que es un tiempo de madurez bueno, incluso con límite de edad.",4774.12,4798.16,"Informa que votó en la CCJ a favor de un proyecto que limita la vitalicidad.",{"idx":5382,"utterance_id":5383,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5384,"start_s":5385,"end_s":5386,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5387,"target_proposition":5388,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5389,"indexable":220},823,"68457","Creo que debemos avanzar en términos de ministros con más experiencia.",4798.48,4803.52,"a5a97d02-08e1-4937-87e3-28388f21bced","fijar requisito mínimo de edad y experiencia para ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","Propone exigir experiencia\u002Fedad mínima para el nombramiento de ministros.",{"idx":5391,"utterance_id":5392,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5393,"start_s":5394,"end_s":5395,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5396,"target_proposition":5397,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5398,"indexable":220},824,"68458","Puede establecerse allí un límite mínimo de ingreso, que podría ser 55 años, podría ser 50 años, con una permanencia máxima de 12, entre otras cosas.",4803.58,4813.02,"e3124d30-0bca-4e34-872f-10a921232454","establecer mandatos limitados para ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) (por ejemplo 10-12 años) y límites de edad","Sugiere límites concretos (entrada mínima y permanencia máxima).",{"idx":5400,"utterance_id":5401,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5402,"start_s":5403,"end_s":5404,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},825,"68459","El Código de Conducta es un proyecto interna cópulis del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",4813.58,4817.66,{"idx":5406,"utterance_id":5407,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5408,"start_s":5409,"end_s":5410,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5411,"target_proposition":5412,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":5413,"indexable":220},826,"68460","Su contenido... Lo dejo a cargo del propio STF, sería una injerencia en este momento, pero creo que un código de conducta para dar una satisfacción a la sociedad, me parece importante, da legitimidad.",4818.16,4829.14,"8d0468f7-ec80-4f1b-aba1-335343e5abfa","establecer código de conducta para ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","Defiende un código de conducta para rendir cuentas y dar legitimidad a la sociedad.",{"idx":5415,"utterance_id":5416,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5417,"start_s":5418,"end_s":5419,"word_count":289,"topic_slug":5329,"topic_label":5330,"target_id":5420,"target_proposition":5421,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5422,"indexable":220},827,"68461","No es bueno para Brasil un STF debilitado, no es bueno... para nadie, para la democracia, para nuestra vida, para la estabilidad, incluso para la moneda brasileña, para la inflación y para el tipo de cambio, no es bueno para nadie un STF debilitado.",4829.96,4842.48,"61eef6ff-3fe2-476d-a61b-b08403a06476","preservar la independencia de las instituciones y fortalecer la confianza en ellas","Afirma que un STF debilitado no es bueno para la democracia y la estabilidad.",{"idx":5424,"utterance_id":5425,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5426,"start_s":5427,"end_s":5428,"word_count":313,"indexable":12},828,"68462","Entonces, creo que el STF necesita, en esa DR, en esa discusión de relación con la sociedad, hacer un gesto hacia la sociedad, reconocer que en determinado momento pudo haber excedido y cometido errores; forma parte del proceso, autocontrolarse, pero creo que eso ya no basta.",4842.94,4860.18,{"idx":5430,"utterance_id":5431,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5432,"start_s":5433,"end_s":5434,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5435,"target_proposition":5436,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5437,"indexable":220},829,"68463","Creo que, además, el Congreso Nacional tiene que replantear el mandato.",4860.84,4865.94,"a72ad06c-2e86-4692-a63c-5fcca0ba6b31","reformular reglas de mandatos y nombramientos por el Congreso Nacional","Cree que el Congreso Nacional debe reformular las reglas sobre mandatos.",{"idx":5439,"utterance_id":5440,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5441,"start_s":5442,"end_s":5443,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5444,"target_proposition":5445,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5446,"indexable":220},830,"68464","Soy contra esa cosa, creo que sería un retroceso que fuera el Senado, la enmienda sería peor que el Soneto, aún más con este Senado, con este Congreso que está ahí.",4866.34,4875.48,"efd80190-a095-4f5c-b0d0-706ac7c28735","indicar ministros con perfil legalista al STF","Dice estar en contra de que el Senado designe ministros; lo califica de retroceso.",{"idx":5448,"utterance_id":5449,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5450,"start_s":5451,"end_s":5452,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5444,"target_proposition":5445,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":5453,"indexable":220},831,"68465","Si el Senado indica, va a indicar gente del Centrão, va a indicar gente que, absolutamente, muchas veces, está descalificada.",4875.94,4883.16,"Afirma que el Senado indicaría a personas del Centrão, no calificadas.",{"idx":5455,"utterance_id":5456,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5457,"start_s":5458,"end_s":5459,"word_count":415,"topic_slug":5167,"topic_label":5168,"target_id":5444,"target_proposition":5445,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5460,"indexable":220},832,"68466","Creo que tiene que continuar así: sea quien sea el próximo presidente de la República, quien tiene que indicar al ministro del Supremo es el jefe del Poder Ejecutivo; incluso se pueden pensar alternativas, en lista, pero creo que no hay salida, créanme, además porque el Congreso Nacional está muy mal valorado por la población brasileña y no es de extrañar.",4884.14,4903.6,"Defiende que quien debe nombrar es el jefe del Ejecutivo, no el Senado.",{"idx":5462,"utterance_id":5463,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5464,"start_s":5465,"end_s":5466,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},833,"68467","por los excesos que cometen.",4904.74,4906.1,{"idx":5468,"utterance_id":5469,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5470,"start_s":5471,"end_s":5472,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},834,"68468","Usted puso el ejemplo del show, de la fiesta junina de emendas parlamentarias.",4906.6,4911.26,{"idx":5474,"utterance_id":5475,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5476,"start_s":5477,"end_s":5478,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":5329,"topic_label":5330,"target_id":5479,"target_proposition":5480,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5481,"indexable":220},835,"68469","Entonces, creo que estamos entrando, tenemos que entrar en una contención de los poderes.",4911.82,4918.2,"c4bc4a76-7ebd-430e-90c7-49ab92e1a461","promover autocontención entre los tres poderes","Afirma que debe haber contención mutua entre los tres poderes.",{"idx":5483,"utterance_id":5484,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5485,"start_s":5486,"end_s":5487,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},836,"68470","Y no me gusta solo tirar piedras contra un poder en el que nunca participé.",4918.74,4922.16,{"idx":955,"utterance_id":5489,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5490,"start_s":5491,"end_s":5492,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},"68471","Yo ya he sido ejecutivo y legislativo.",4922.22,4924.26,{"idx":5494,"utterance_id":5495,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5496,"start_s":5497,"end_s":5498,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5329,"topic_label":5330,"target_id":5479,"target_proposition":5480,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":5499,"indexable":220},838,"68472","Creo que la autocontención debe venir de los tres poderes.",4924.64,4927.46,"Reitera que la autocontención debe venir de los tres poderes.",{"idx":5501,"utterance_id":5502,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5503,"start_s":5504,"end_s":5505,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},839,"68473","La sociedad brasileña no criminaliza la política sin motivo.",4927.98,4930.58,{"idx":5507,"utterance_id":5508,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5509,"start_s":5510,"end_s":5511,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},840,"68474","Lo único que pido, encarecidamente, ¿no?",4931.24,4934.94,{"idx":5513,"utterance_id":5514,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5515,"start_s":5516,"end_s":5517,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},841,"68475","Separemos el trigo de la cizaña y separemos la política de los políticos.",4934.98,4939.14,{"idx":5519,"utterance_id":5520,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5521,"start_s":5522,"end_s":5523,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},842,"68476","Sin política no existe vida en sociedad.",4939.74,4942.02,{"idx":5525,"utterance_id":5526,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5527,"start_s":5528,"end_s":5529,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},843,"68477","Sin política es tierra arrasada, es la ley de la barbarie, es violencia, es miseria, es desempleo, el sector productivo no funciona, todos pierden.",4942.1,4950.36,{"idx":5531,"utterance_id":5532,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5533,"start_s":5534,"end_s":5535,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},844,"68478","Ahora, la buena política depende de las decisiones que tomamos.",4951.28,4954.16,{"idx":5537,"utterance_id":5538,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5539,"start_s":5540,"end_s":5541,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},845,"68479","Así que tenemos políticos buenos y malos.",4954.44,4956.48,{"idx":5543,"utterance_id":5544,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5545,"start_s":5546,"end_s":5547,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},846,"68480","Entonces, vamos... tirar piedras a los malos políticos, vamos a enaltecer la política, porque sin la política, ustedes hacen política, como periodistas que son.",4956.52,4964.6,{"idx":5549,"utterance_id":5550,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5551,"start_s":5552,"end_s":5553,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},847,"68481","Así que creo que esto debe quedar muy claro.",4965.5,4967.56,{"idx":5555,"utterance_id":5556,"speaker_name":8,"text":5557,"start_s":5558,"end_s":5559,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},848,"68482","Y sin enmienda, ¿eh, ministra?",4967.62,4969.24,{"idx":5561,"utterance_id":5562,"speaker_name":8,"text":5563,"start_s":5564,"end_s":5565,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},849,"68483","Hacemos política sin enmienda.",4969.64,4971.4,{"idx":5567,"utterance_id":5568,"speaker_name":8,"text":5569,"start_s":5570,"end_s":5571,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},850,"68484","Último turno aquí en ocho minutos.",4971.98,4974.6,{"idx":5573,"utterance_id":5574,"speaker_name":8,"text":5575,"start_s":5576,"end_s":5577,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},851,"68485","Voy a exigir a la directiva de Jofa.",4974.64,4976.08,{"idx":5579,"utterance_id":5580,"speaker_name":8,"text":5581,"start_s":5582,"end_s":5583,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},852,"68486","Al menos ahora ella.",4976.12,4978.82,{"idx":5585,"utterance_id":5586,"speaker_name":8,"text":5587,"start_s":5588,"end_s":5589,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},853,"68487","Escala seis por uno, ¿eh?",4978.86,4979.7,{"idx":5591,"utterance_id":5592,"speaker_name":8,"text":1353,"start_s":5593,"end_s":5594,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},854,"68488",4979.74,4981.02,{"idx":5596,"utterance_id":5597,"speaker_name":8,"text":5598,"start_s":5599,"end_s":5600,"word_count":241,"indexable":12},855,"68489","Ministra, estoy ansiosa por... Los ministros me están diciendo que hay pocos minutos, pero estoy muy ansiosa por saber, porque... Soy una mujer ansiosa, y en este momento aún más, debido al feminicidio.",4981.06,4992.86,{"idx":5602,"utterance_id":5603,"speaker_name":8,"text":5604,"start_s":5605,"end_s":5606,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5611,"indexable":220},856,"68490","Son cuatro mujeres asesinadas por día en Brasil.",4993.46,4995.96,"violencia-contra-a-mulher-e-protecao-as-mulheres","Violencia contra la mujer y protección","e64493f0-fccf-4995-b4b1-83cf32100776","reducir los casos de feminicidio","Presenta la estadística: cuatro mujeres muertas por día en Brasil.",{"idx":5613,"utterance_id":5614,"speaker_name":8,"text":5615,"start_s":5616,"end_s":5617,"word_count":72,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5618,"indexable":220},857,"68491","Un aumento del 7,5% en el número de asesinatos por feminicidio con respecto al trimestre del año pasado.",4996.32,5003.1,"Informa un aumento del 7,5% en los asesinatos por feminicidio.",{"idx":5620,"utterance_id":5621,"speaker_name":8,"text":5622,"start_s":5623,"end_s":5624,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5625,"indexable":12},858,"68492","Nada está surtiendo efecto, ministra.",5003.74,5005.78,"Afirma que las medidas actuales no están surtiendo efecto.",{"idx":5627,"utterance_id":5628,"speaker_name":8,"text":5629,"start_s":5630,"end_s":5631,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},859,"68493","Nada, nada.",5006.14,5007.26,{"idx":5633,"utterance_id":5634,"speaker_name":8,"text":5635,"start_s":5636,"end_s":5637,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5638,"indexable":12},860,"68494","Ni las políticas, ni los discursos que Lula está dando.",5007.46,5010.9,"Afirma que las políticas y los discursos del gobierno no están siendo eficaces.",{"idx":5640,"utterance_id":5641,"speaker_name":8,"text":5642,"start_s":5643,"end_s":5644,"word_count":74,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5645,"indexable":220},861,"68495","El discurso no está calando, no está llegando a la gente.",5011.14,5014.24,"Dice que el discurso no está 'batendo' ni llegando al final.",{"idx":5647,"utterance_id":5648,"speaker_name":8,"text":5649,"start_s":5650,"end_s":5651,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},862,"68496","¿Qué tenemos que hacer?",5014.92,5018.08,{"idx":5653,"utterance_id":5654,"speaker_name":8,"text":5655,"start_s":5656,"end_s":5657,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},863,"68497","¿Qué usted, como senadora electa, va a hacer?",5018.18,5021.8,{"idx":5659,"utterance_id":5660,"speaker_name":8,"text":5661,"start_s":5662,"end_s":5663,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},864,"68498","¿Qué se puede hacer?",5021.84,5022.9,{"idx":5665,"utterance_id":5666,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5667,"start_s":5668,"end_s":5669,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},865,"68499","Mira, hay una frase de Martin Luther King que me parece formidable.",5024.46,5028.64,{"idx":5671,"utterance_id":5672,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5673,"start_s":5674,"end_s":5675,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},866,"68500","Allí él luchando contra el apartheid, en una discusión racial, donde se mataba a un estadounidense por el hecho de ser negro.",5028.86,5037.16,{"idx":5677,"utterance_id":5678,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5679,"start_s":5680,"end_s":5681,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},867,"68501","Él decía lo siguiente, y luego vino la ley que lo tipificó como delito y tal.",5037.62,5041.1,{"idx":5683,"utterance_id":5684,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5685,"start_s":5686,"end_s":5687,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},868,"68502","Él dijo: la ley puede mucho, pero no puede con todo.",5041.14,5043.26,{"idx":5689,"utterance_id":5690,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5691,"start_s":5692,"end_s":5693,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},869,"68503","La ley no toca el corazón de las personas, no es capaz de impedir a alguien; puede impedir, poner a alguien en la cárcel, pero no puede impedir que alguien tenga prejuicios.",5043.9,5056.88,{"idx":5695,"utterance_id":5696,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5697,"start_s":5698,"end_s":5699,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},870,"68504","En otra época.",5057.8,5058.64,{"idx":5701,"utterance_id":5702,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5703,"start_s":5704,"end_s":5705,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},871,"68505","Hoy, llevándolo a Brasil, hay una forma de reducir mucho esto.",5058.84,5064.3,{"idx":5707,"utterance_id":5708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5709,"start_s":5710,"end_s":5711,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},872,"68506","No solo el feminicidio, sino la violencia contra la mujer, Verusca.",5064.44,5067.2,{"idx":5713,"utterance_id":5714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5715,"start_s":5716,"end_s":5717,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},873,"68507","Y el discurso no está haciendo efecto porque no estamos logrando romper la burbuja.",5068.74,5071.74,{"idx":5719,"utterance_id":5720,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5721,"start_s":5722,"end_s":5723,"word_count":433,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5724,"target_proposition":5725,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5726,"indexable":220},874,"68508","Hay una minoría absoluta de los hombres brasileños y del mundo, adeptos de la extrema derecha, y no todo el mundo es de derecha, todo lo contrario, no es la derecha la que piensa así; hablo de la extrema derecha, que entiende que el lugar de la mujer es dentro de la casa, que la mujer es objeto, que la mujer es posesión, que la mujer no tiene autonomía sobre su vida.",5071.78,5090.18,"c8953b2e-d78d-4f98-965f-fd388b933a31","combatir el discurso de odio y la polarización que estimulan la violencia contra las mujeres","Atribuye el aumento de la violencia al discurso de odio y a la polarización.",{"idx":5728,"utterance_id":5729,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5730,"start_s":5731,"end_s":5732,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},875,"68509","El movimiento Red Pills no es cualquier cosa.",5090.84,5093.36,{"idx":5734,"utterance_id":5735,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5736,"start_s":5737,"end_s":5738,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},876,"68510","Logró llegar a los hombres cobardes y débiles.",5095.42,5098.94,{"idx":5740,"utterance_id":5741,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5742,"start_s":5743,"end_s":5744,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},877,"68511","¿qué proporción de la población brasileña diría yo que son?",5099.32,5101.54,{"idx":5746,"utterance_id":5747,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5748,"start_s":5749,"end_s":5750,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},878,"68512","5%.",5101.56,5101.6,{"idx":5752,"utterance_id":5753,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5754,"start_s":5755,"end_s":5756,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},879,"68513","Quiero decir aquí que abogo a favor de los hombres.",5103.58,5105.68,{"idx":5758,"utterance_id":5759,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5760,"start_s":5761,"end_s":5762,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},880,"68514","Tengo hombres en casa, tengo hermanos, tuve padre, tengo marido, tengo amigos.",5105.9,5111.18,{"idx":5764,"utterance_id":5765,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5766,"start_s":5767,"end_s":5768,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},881,"68515","La mayoría de los hombres brasileños no piensa así.",5111.74,5114.06,{"idx":5770,"utterance_id":5771,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5772,"start_s":5773,"end_s":5774,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},882,"68516","Pero la minoría hace tanto ruido, es tan violenta, mata, viola, golpea constantemente a la mujer que... ocupa los titulares y tenemos esos números absurdos.",5114.44,5123.68,{"idx":5776,"utterance_id":5777,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5778,"start_s":5779,"end_s":5780,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},883,"68517","El estado de São Paulo es uno de los estados más violentos.",5124.02,5126.24,{"idx":5782,"utterance_id":5783,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5784,"start_s":5785,"end_s":5786,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},884,"68518","El estado de São Paulo mata a una mujer por día por el simple hecho de ser mujer.",5126.76,5131.04,{"idx":5788,"utterance_id":5789,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5790,"start_s":5791,"end_s":5792,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},885,"68519","Y aumentó el feminicidio.",5131.14,5132.22,{"idx":5794,"utterance_id":5795,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5796,"start_s":5797,"end_s":5798,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},886,"68520","¿Y aumentó por qué?",5132.52,5133.24,{"idx":5800,"utterance_id":5801,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5802,"start_s":5803,"end_s":5804,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},887,"68521","¿en los últimos años?",5133.32,5134.08,{"idx":5806,"utterance_id":5807,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5808,"start_s":5809,"end_s":5810,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},888,"68522","Porque aumentó el discurso de odio contra.",5134.12,5136.24,{"idx":5812,"utterance_id":5813,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5814,"start_s":5815,"end_s":5816,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},889,"68523","Lo que significa que la polarización está afectando esta pauta.",5136.52,5140.46,{"idx":5818,"utterance_id":5819,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5820,"start_s":5821,"end_s":5822,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},890,"68524","La polarización hace daño incluso por eso, porque estimula el discurso de odio.",5140.96,5144.88,{"idx":5824,"utterance_id":5825,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5826,"start_s":5827,"end_s":5828,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},891,"68525","De odio contra las minorías y de odio contra las mujeres.",5145.24,5147.68,{"idx":5830,"utterance_id":5831,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5832,"start_s":5833,"end_s":5834,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},892,"68526","Recordando lo siguiente: no somos minoría, somos la mayoría de la población brasileña.",5148.44,5152.38,{"idx":5836,"utterance_id":5837,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5838,"start_s":5839,"end_s":5840,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5841,"target_proposition":5842,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5843,"indexable":220},893,"68527","Entonces, así, es necesario, creo que solo hay una manera.",5152.82,5155.8,"aaf468c7-5b1a-4a14-9921-bed2923ba684","promover acciones de prevención que involucren a hombres para reducir la violencia contra las mujeres","Afirma que el feminicidio disminuirá cuando los hombres empiecen a hablar contra la violencia.",{"idx":5845,"utterance_id":5846,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5847,"start_s":5848,"end_s":5849,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},894,"68528","¿Por qué Lula, el presidente Lula, empezó a hablar?",5155.96,5158.1,{"idx":5851,"utterance_id":5852,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5853,"start_s":5854,"end_s":5855,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},895,"68529","Porque hay una conciencia; yo insistí mucho en eso cuando estuve en el gobierno.",5159.22,5163.06,{"idx":5857,"utterance_id":5858,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5859,"start_s":5860,"end_s":5861,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},896,"68530","Solo hay una forma de disminuir el feminicidio y la violencia contra la mujer.",5163.48,5166.66,{"idx":5863,"utterance_id":5864,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5865,"start_s":5866,"end_s":5867,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},897,"68531","Cuando la mujer no hable sola.",5167.14,5168.78,{"idx":5869,"utterance_id":5870,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5871,"start_s":5872,"end_s":5873,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},898,"68532","Cuando los hombres hablen en nuestro lugar.",5168.82,5171.18,{"idx":5875,"utterance_id":5876,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5877,"start_s":5878,"end_s":5879,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},899,"68533","Esto no es minimizar el papel de la mujer, no.",5171.4,5173.36,{"idx":5881,"utterance_id":5882,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5883,"start_s":5884,"end_s":5885,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},900,"68534","Además, no soy feminista en ese punto.",5174.62,5176.26,{"idx":5887,"utterance_id":5888,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5889,"start_s":5890,"end_s":5891,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},901,"68535","Para mí, ese término feminista es una mera nomenclatura.",5176.5,5179.44,{"idx":5893,"utterance_id":5894,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5895,"start_s":5896,"end_s":5897,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":5898,"topic_label":5899,"target_id":5900,"target_proposition":5901,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5902,"indexable":220},902,"68536","Soy feminista porque defiendo los derechos de las mujeres y la igualdad de condiciones.",5179.74,5183.06,"direitos-das-mulheres","Derechos de las mujeres","7d6363d0-e407-418b-803c-2b247ec9c194","garantizar igualdad de derechos y condiciones entre hombres y mujeres","Declara ser feminista por defender la igualdad de derechos y de condiciones.",{"idx":5904,"utterance_id":5905,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5906,"start_s":5907,"end_s":5908,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},903,"68537","¿Tenemos los mismos deberes?",5183.38,5184.7,{"idx":5910,"utterance_id":5911,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5912,"start_s":5913,"end_s":5914,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},904,"68538","Entonces tenemos los mismos derechos que los hombres.",5184.86,5186.68,{"idx":5916,"utterance_id":5917,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5918,"start_s":5919,"end_s":5920,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5841,"target_proposition":5842,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":5921,"indexable":220},905,"68539","Pero creo que el papel de hablar en nuestro nombre, en este aspecto, corresponde al hombre.",5187.2,5191.62,"Defiende que el papel de hablar a favor de las mujeres también corresponde a los hombres.",{"idx":5923,"utterance_id":5924,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5925,"start_s":5926,"end_s":5927,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},906,"68540","Porque el hombre conoce el lenguaje del hombre.",5192.18,5193.88,{"idx":5929,"utterance_id":5930,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5931,"start_s":5932,"end_s":5933,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},907,"68541","El hombre discute este tema en el fútbol, en la mesa del bar, en la ronda de amigos.",5194.22,5200.78,{"idx":5935,"utterance_id":5936,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5937,"start_s":5938,"end_s":5939,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},908,"68542","Entonces, cuando encuentre una broma o vea que alguien está yendo por ese camino, diga: 'mi amigo, no es por ahí, mira lo que estás diciendo'.",5201.3,5207.02,{"idx":5941,"utterance_id":5942,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5943,"start_s":5944,"end_s":5945,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},909,"68543","Ni siquiera se da cuenta de que está haciendo un discurso ahí.",5207.14,5210.32,{"idx":5947,"utterance_id":5948,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5949,"start_s":5950,"end_s":5951,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},910,"68544","misógino, prejuicioso.",5211.1,5212.84,{"idx":5953,"utterance_id":5954,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5955,"start_s":5956,"end_s":5957,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},911,"68545","Creo que el hombre brasileño tiene la capacidad de cambiar eso.",5213.16,5216.1,{"idx":5959,"utterance_id":5960,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5961,"start_s":5962,"end_s":5963,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},912,"68546","Y, de nuevo, la gran mayoría de los hombres brasileños reconoce el valor de la mujer, sabe que la mujer es igual a él y lucha por los derechos de la mujer.",5216.74,5224.4,{"idx":5965,"utterance_id":5966,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5967,"start_s":5968,"end_s":5969,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":5970,"topic_label":5971,"target_id":5972,"target_proposition":5973,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5974,"indexable":220},913,"68547","Estoy segura de que si les pregunto a ustedes tres, ¿no creen que sus colegas periodistas tienen derecho a recibir el mismo salario que ustedes?",5224.44,5230.26,"igualdade-de-genero-no-trabalho-e-direitos-trabalhistas","Igualdad de género en el trabajo","19f58dd1-d3ef-412c-947f-93cdb7f60dd9","garantizar igualdad salarial entre hombres y mujeres","Pregunta retóricamente si sus colegas están de acuerdo en que las periodistas merecen el mismo salario.",{"idx":5976,"utterance_id":5977,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5978,"start_s":5979,"end_s":5980,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},914,"68548","Todos los mismos que ellos.",5230.44,5231.36,{"idx":5982,"utterance_id":5983,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5984,"start_s":5985,"end_s":5986,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},915,"68549","Y no es porque estén al frente de un programa.",5231.76,5234.88,{"idx":5988,"utterance_id":5989,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5990,"start_s":5991,"end_s":5992,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},916,"68550","Es porque ustedes saben el valor de sus colegas.",5235.18,5237.12,{"idx":5994,"utterance_id":5995,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5996,"start_s":5997,"end_s":5998,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":5607,"topic_label":5608,"target_id":5841,"target_proposition":5842,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":5999,"indexable":220},917,"68551","Entonces, si llamamos a los hombres a decir: hombres y mujeres, igualdad de condiciones, mismo currículum, ¿tienen derecho a recibir el mismo salario que las mujeres?",5237.52,5245.48,"Propone convocar a hombres para que hablen por la igualdad y así reducir la violencia.",{"idx":6001,"utterance_id":6002,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6003,"start_s":6004,"end_s":6005,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},918,"68552","Y si los hombres dicen eso, cambiamos esta historia.",5246.02,5248.28,{"idx":6007,"utterance_id":6008,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6009,"start_s":6010,"end_s":6011,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},919,"68553","Si los hombres se ocupan de discutir esta pauta, reducimos la violencia contra la mujer.",5248.6,5252.96,{"idx":6013,"utterance_id":6014,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6015,"start_s":6016,"end_s":6017,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},920,"68554","El proceso hoy es inverso.",5253.3,5254.52,{"idx":6019,"utterance_id":6020,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6021,"start_s":6022,"end_s":6023,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},921,"68555","Hoy el proceso es que tenemos un discurso de odio... y no conseguimos romper esa burbuja.",5254.56,5259.46,{"idx":6025,"utterance_id":6026,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6027,"start_s":6028,"end_s":6029,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},922,"68556","Y un dato, perdonen que monopolizamos el tema, sé que el tiempo se está acabando.",5260.1,5264.78,{"idx":6031,"utterance_id":6032,"speaker_name":8,"text":6033,"start_s":6034,"end_s":6035,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},923,"68557","Un minuto, ministra.",5265.16,5266.12,{"idx":6037,"utterance_id":6038,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6039,"start_s":6040,"end_s":6041,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},924,"68558","¿Sabe lo que me sorprende?",5266.32,5267.58,{"idx":6043,"utterance_id":6044,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6045,"start_s":6046,"end_s":6047,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},925,"68559","Que los hombres de mi generación son menos conservadores que los jóvenes de 18 años para abajo que están ahí.",5267.78,5274.44,{"idx":6049,"utterance_id":6050,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6051,"start_s":6052,"end_s":6053,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},926,"68560","Los números lo muestran.",5274.7,5275.54,{"idx":6055,"utterance_id":6056,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6057,"start_s":6058,"end_s":6059,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},927,"68561","¿Por qué?",5275.88,5276.12,{"idx":6061,"utterance_id":6062,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6063,"start_s":6064,"end_s":6065,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},928,"68562","Porque están en la burbuja de las redes sociales, siendo contaminados por informaciones equivocadas sobre la violencia contra la mujer, de que la mujer vale menos que el hombre.",5276.4,5285.84,{"idx":6067,"utterance_id":6068,"speaker_name":8,"text":6069,"start_s":6070,"end_s":6071,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},929,"68563","Cerrando aquí una edición más de Direto ao Ponto en Jovem Pan.",5286.18,5288.66,{"idx":6073,"utterance_id":6074,"speaker_name":8,"text":6075,"start_s":6076,"end_s":6077,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},930,"68564","Quiero agradecerle mucho, señora.",5288.8,5290.08,{"idx":6079,"utterance_id":6080,"speaker_name":8,"text":6081,"start_s":6082,"end_s":6083,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},931,"68565","La conversación fue muy productiva, estuvo muy bien.",5290.12,5292.54,{"idx":6085,"utterance_id":6086,"speaker_name":8,"text":6087,"start_s":6088,"end_s":6089,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},932,"68566","Pudimos entender las distintas visiones desde dentro del gobierno, desde fuera del gobierno ahora, y también las perspectivas para las elecciones de 2026.",5292.58,5300.58,{"idx":6091,"utterance_id":6092,"speaker_name":8,"text":6093,"start_s":6094,"end_s":6095,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},933,"68567","Muchas gracias, ministra.",5300.94,5301.74,{"idx":6097,"utterance_id":6098,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6099,"start_s":6100,"end_s":6101,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},934,"68568","Yo le agradezco.",5302.1,5302.72,{"idx":6103,"utterance_id":6104,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":6105,"start_s":6106,"end_s":6107,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},935,"68569","Buenas noches a 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