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dia a todos e todas. -> Buenos días a todos y todas.",24.22,26.32,6,false,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1,"82722","Sejam todos e todas muito bem-vindos a mais um encontro do Vozes de São Paulo. -> Sean todos y todas muy bienvenidos a otro encuentro de Vozes de São Paulo.",26.74,31.88,15,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":69,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},2,"82723","Esse espaço que foi feito para a gente compartilhar nossas histórias, para a gente ouvir, para a gente desabafar e para criar soluções através das vivências de todos vocês. -> Este espacio fue creado para que compartamos nuestras historias, para que escuchemos, para desahogarnos y para crear soluciones a través de las vivencias de todos ustedes.",32.34,43.22,29,{"idx":90,"utterance_id":91,"speaker_name":69,"text":92,"start_s":93,"end_s":94,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},3,"82724","Hoje vamos falar de um tema que define o futuro de qualquer sociedade, que é a educação. -> Hoy vamos a hablar de un tema que define el futuro de cualquier sociedad: la educación.",44.1,49.58,17,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":69,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},4,"82725","A educação que é ponte para a transmissão de conhecimento, habilidade, de valores, que é semente para a transformação de vidas. -> La educación que es puente para la transmisión de conocimiento, habilidades y valores, que es semilla para la transformación de vidas.",50.22,58.72,21,{"idx":104,"utterance_id":105,"speaker_name":69,"text":106,"start_s":107,"end_s":108,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},5,"82726","Mas quem é que consegue atravessar essa ponte? -> Pero ¿quién consigue cruzar ese puente?",61.72,65.38,8,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":69,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},"82727","Quem é que está tendo oportunidade de se preparar de verdade? -> ¿Quién está teniendo la oportunidad de prepararse de verdad?",66.56,70.16,11,{"idx":117,"utterance_id":118,"speaker_name":69,"text":119,"start_s":120,"end_s":121,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},7,"82728","Quais são os caminhos que a educação está tomando aqui no nosso estado? -> ¿Cuáles son los caminos que la educación está tomando aquí en nuestro estado?",71.38,74.82,13,{"idx":109,"utterance_id":124,"speaker_name":69,"text":125,"start_s":126,"end_s":127,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"82729","Hoje vamos ouvir quem vive a educação todos os dias. -> Hoy vamos a escuchar a quienes viven la educación todos los días.",76.02,78.9,{"idx":129,"utterance_id":130,"speaker_name":69,"text":131,"start_s":132,"end_s":133,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},9,"82730","Quem ensina, quem aprende, quem sonha e quem luta por um futuro melhor. -> Quienes enseñan, quienes aprenden, quienes sueñan y quienes luchan por un futuro 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Silva. -> Entonces quiero saludar aquí con ustedes a la exministra de Medio Ambiente, Cambio Climático y precandidata al Senado, Marina Silva.",100.78,109.2,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":69,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"82734","A professora titular da Faculdade de Odontologia da USP e secretária de Informação e Saúde Digital do Ministério da Saúde, Anistela Haddad. -> La profesora titular de la Facultad de Odontología de la USP y secretaria de Información y Salud Digital del Ministerio de Salud, Anistela Haddad.",122.56,132.48,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":69,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},14,"82735","O nosso ex-ministro da Fazenda e da Educação, ex-prefeito de São Paulo e pré-candidato ao governo de São Paulo, Fernando Haddad. -> Nuestro exministro de Hacienda y de Educación, exalcalde de São Paulo y precandidato al gobierno de São Paulo, Fernando 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aquí.",166.8,167.76,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},19,"82740","Isso aqui é uma experiência muito rica, é uma oitiva que a gente faz para compreender o que as pessoas estão pensando sobre educação. -> Esto es una experiencia muy rica; es una audiencia que realizamos para comprender lo que la gente está pensando sobre la educación.",167.86,177.32,24,{"idx":192,"utterance_id":193,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":194,"start_s":195,"end_s":196,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},20,"82741","Não preciso dizer para vocês que esse é o tema que mais me interessa na vida. -> No necesito decirles que este es el tema que más me interesa en la vida.",177.86,181.4,{"idx":102,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},"82742","Tem temas que te interessam conjunturalmente, porque as pessoas estão aflitas com questão de segurança pública, com vários assuntos que vocês estão familiarizados e vivem o dia a dia. -> Hay temas que te interesan coyunturalmente, porque las personas están angustiadas por la cuestión de seguridad pública, por varios asuntos con los que ustedes están familiarizados y que viven en el día a día.",182.58,193.58,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":203,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":204,"start_s":205,"end_s":206,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},"82743","Mas a questão da educação é... intertemporal e intersetorial, ela transpassa tudo, e a gente sabe que sem ela a gente não chega a lugar nenhum. -> Pero la cuestión de la educación es... intertemporal e intersectorial, atraviesa todo, y sabemos que sin ella no llegamos a ningún lado.",194.12,205.12,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":208,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":209,"start_s":210,"end_s":211,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},"82744","Nenhum país desenvolvido tem um povo deseducado. -> Ningún país desarrollado 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Estamos querendo submeter a vocês também, no final desse processo, o que a gente está pensando também. -> Entonces queremos escucharlos mucho; queremos salir de aquí con... También queremos someter a ustedes, al final de este proceso, lo que estamos pensando.",222.46,233.04,30,{"idx":229,"utterance_id":230,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":231,"start_s":232,"end_s":233,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},27,"82748","Mas acho que vai ser uma interlocução muito rica. -> Pero creo que será una interlocución muy rica.",233.52,235.46,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":235,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":236,"start_s":237,"end_s":238,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":239,"target_proposition":240,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":243,"indexable":244},"82749","A gente ouviu o maior número de depoimentos possíveis para avançarmos nesse tema que vai estar na centralidade do nosso plano de governo. -> Hemos escuchado el mayor número posible de testimonios para avanzar en este tema que estará en la centralidad de nuestro plan de gobierno.",235.6,244.64,"6c1c54b4-4ec8-431f-a9ea-d3ef3fc6141f","priorizar la educación en el gobierno","a_favor",0.9,"declara que la educación estará en la centralidad del plan de gobierno.",true,{"idx":88,"utterance_id":246,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":247,"start_s":248,"end_s":249,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":250,"target_proposition":251,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":254,"indexable":74},"82750","Estamos elaborando um plano de governo. -> Estamos elaborando un plan de gobierno.",244.98,246.72,"7e169915-f3c6-422c-bc72-e452401ab3a6","elaborar un plan de gobierno","neutro_descritivo",0.8,"afirma que están elaborando un plan de gobierno, relato de una acción en curso.",{"idx":227,"utterance_id":256,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":257,"start_s":258,"end_s":259,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":260,"topic_label":261,"target_id":262,"target_proposition":263,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":264,"indexable":244},"82751","Queremos que ele retrate da melhor maneira possível os anseios do povo paulista. -> Queremos que refleje de la mejor manera posible los anhelos del pueblo paulista.",247.4,252.22,"consulta-publica","Consulta pública","ac2f421a-9e19-4411-8824-95f642e8f937","formular un plan de gobierno que refleje los anhelos de la población","dice querer que el plan refleje los anhelos del pueblo, defendiendo la inclusión.",{"idx":266,"utterance_id":267,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":268,"start_s":269,"end_s":270,"word_count":271,"indexable":74},31,"82752","muito aberto aqui a deixar vocês inteiramente à vontade para falar aquilo que vem do coração mesmo, porque a gente precisa ouvir isso para formular a melhor intervenção possível que o Estado de São Paulo pode fazer em proveito da nossa juventude, dos nossos estudantes de qualquer idade, porque tem gente que estuda até o fim da vida, isso é muito bom. -> Estoy muy abierto a dejarles completamente a gusto para que hablen aquello que viene del corazón, porque necesitamos oír eso para formular la mejor intervención posible que el Estado de São Paulo puede hacer en favor de nuestra juventud, de nuestros estudiantes de cualquier edad —porque hay gente que estudia hasta el fin de la vida—, y eso es muy bueno.",255.36,278.96,62,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":273,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":274,"start_s":275,"end_s":276,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},"82753","Enfim, agradecer muito. -> En fin, agradecerles mucho.",280.42,282.4,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":278,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":279,"start_s":280,"end_s":281,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"82754","a participação de todos. -> la participación de todos.",282.92,284.08,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},34,"82755","A gente sabe que sábado de manhã as pessoas têm tantos afazeres, então o fato de vocês estarem dispostos aqui a dar esse depoimento para nós é de muita relevância. -> Sabemos que el sábado por la mañana la gente tiene tantas ocupaciones, así que el hecho de que estén dispuestos aquí a dar este testimonio para nosotros es de mucha relevancia.",284.16,295.02,{"idx":289,"utterance_id":290,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":291,"start_s":292,"end_s":293,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},35,"82756","Nosso agradecimento sincero pela presença de todos. -> Nuestro sincero agradecimiento por la presencia de todos.",295.56,298.08,{"idx":295,"utterance_id":296,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":297,"start_s":298,"end_s":299,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},36,"82757","Obrigado. -> Gracias.",298.26,298.64,{"idx":301,"utterance_id":302,"speaker_name":69,"text":303,"start_s":304,"end_s":305,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},37,"82758","Obrigada, Haddad. -> Gracias, Haddad.",300.5,306.66,{"idx":307,"utterance_id":308,"speaker_name":69,"text":309,"start_s":310,"end_s":311,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},38,"82759","E antes de passar a palavra para o nosso público, a gente quer compartilhar aqui um vídeo com vocês, que vai trazer um breve retrato de como está a educação em São Paulo hoje. -> Y antes de pasar la palabra a nuestro público, queremos compartir aquí un video con ustedes, que ofrecerá un breve retrato de cómo está la educación en São Paulo hoy.",306.92,317.08,{"idx":313,"utterance_id":314,"speaker_name":69,"text":315,"start_s":316,"end_s":317,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},39,"82760","E essa é a realidade, feita de desafios, conquistas, desigualdades e escolhas. -> Y esta es la realidad, hecha de desafíos, conquistas, desigualdades y decisiones.",318,322.6,{"idx":319,"utterance_id":320,"speaker_name":69,"text":321,"start_s":322,"end_s":323,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},40,"82761","Vamos assistir. -> Vamos a ver.",322.92,323.58,{"idx":325,"utterance_id":326,"speaker_name":69,"text":327,"start_s":328,"end_s":329,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":330,"target_proposition":331,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":333,"indexable":244},41,"82762","São Paulo não se tornou a maior economia do país à toa. -> São Paulo no se convirtió en la mayor economía del país por casualidad.",326.32,329.52,"ba1e1064-957f-468d-b2e5-2368c5727bb8","mantener el sistema público de enseñanza y no sustituirlo por la educación en casa (homeschooling)",0.75,"informa un historial de excelencia del sistema educativo estatal.",{"idx":335,"utterance_id":336,"speaker_name":69,"text":337,"start_s":338,"end_s":339,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":330,"target_proposition":331,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":340,"indexable":244},42,"82763","Nosso Estado construiu um dos sistemas educacionais mais sofisticados da América Latina. -> Nuestro Estado construyó uno de los sistemas educativos más sofisticados de América Latina.",329.92,335.32,"describe la presencia de universidades y escuelas técnicas de excelencia.",{"idx":342,"utterance_id":343,"speaker_name":69,"text":344,"start_s":345,"end_s":346,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},43,"82764","Universidades de excelência, escolas técnicas e faculdades tecnológicas por todos os cantos. -> Universidades de excelencia, escuelas técnicas y facultades tecnológicas en todos los rincones.",335.82,341.36,{"idx":348,"utterance_id":349,"speaker_name":69,"text":350,"start_s":351,"end_s":352,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},44,"82765","E isso sempre foi motivo de orgulho para a gente. -> Y eso siempre fue motivo de orgullo para nosotros.",341.9,345.04,{"idx":354,"utterance_id":355,"speaker_name":69,"text":356,"start_s":357,"end_s":358,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":359,"target_proposition":360,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":362,"indexable":244},45,"82766","Mas estamos perdendo o protagonismo nacional graças a um governo que pensa a educação pela lógica da exclusão. -> Pero estamos perdiendo el protagonismo nacional gracias a un gobierno que piensa la educación desde la lógica de la exclusión.",346.74,353.56,"60e1e637-d89a-4af3-8089-63758028688a","garantizar acceso equitativo a la educación pública",0.88,"critica al gobierno por 'lógica da exclusão' → defiende acceso equitativo.",{"idx":364,"utterance_id":365,"speaker_name":69,"text":366,"start_s":367,"end_s":368,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},46,"82767","Exclusão de verba. -> Exclusión de fondos.",354.16,355.24,{"idx":370,"utterance_id":371,"speaker_name":69,"text":372,"start_s":373,"end_s":374,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":375,"target_proposition":376,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":378,"indexable":244},47,"82768","E aqui em São Paulo, a Assembleia Legislativa aprovou ontem, em primeira votação, a PEC que reduz o orçamento da educação no Estado. -> Y aquí en São Paulo, la Asamblea Legislativa aprobó ayer, en primera votación, la PEC que reduce el presupuesto de la educación en el Estado.",355.52,362.88,"b06d1a13-d8c3-43e6-9075-7ba0ce0b5286","cortar recursos para la educación",0.85,"informa que la Asamblea aprobó en primera votación la PEC (relato factual).",{"idx":380,"utterance_id":381,"speaker_name":69,"text":382,"start_s":383,"end_s":384,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":375,"target_proposition":376,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":385,"indexable":244},48,"82769","A PEC apresentada pelo governador Tarcísio de Freitas precisava de 57 votos favoráveis. -> La PEC presentada por el gobernador Tarcísio de Freitas necesitaba 57 votos favorables.",363.24,369.4,"informa la necesidad de 57 votos para la PEC (descripción del proceso).",{"idx":387,"utterance_id":388,"speaker_name":69,"text":389,"start_s":390,"end_s":391,"word_count":97,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":375,"target_proposition":376,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":393,"indexable":74},49,"82770","Exclusão de turmas noturnas. -> Exclusión de turnos nocturnos.",370.18,372.1,"contra","enumera 'exclusão de turmas noturnas' como efecto de la PEC — oposición clara.",{"idx":395,"utterance_id":396,"speaker_name":69,"text":397,"start_s":398,"end_s":399,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":375,"target_proposition":376,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":400,"indexable":244},50,"82771","Exclusão de alunos que não têm uma boa internet. -> Exclusión de alumnos que no tienen una buena conexión a internet.",372.66,375.5,"afirma que la PEC excluiría a alumnos sin buena internet — crítica a la propuesta.",{"idx":402,"utterance_id":403,"speaker_name":69,"text":404,"start_s":405,"end_s":406,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":375,"target_proposition":376,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":407,"indexable":74},51,"82772","Exclusão de professores por exaustão. -> Exclusión de profesores por agotamiento.",376.3,379.04,"dice que la PEC causaría la exclusión de profesores por agotamiento — se opone.",{"idx":409,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":69,"text":411,"start_s":412,"end_s":413,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},52,"82773","Estudantes tão apreensivos com o fechamento de turmas no período noturno nas escolas estaduais. -> Estudiantes tan aprensivos por el cierre de grupos en el periodo nocturno en las escuelas estatales.",379.48,384,{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":69,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":330,"target_proposition":331,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":420,"indexable":244},53,"82774","Esa falta de la educación nocturna puede aumentar mucho más la deserción escolar.",384.2,387.32,"advierte que la falta del turno nocturno puede aumentar la deserción, describe la consecuencia.",{"idx":422,"utterance_id":423,"speaker_name":69,"text":424,"start_s":425,"end_s":426,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},54,"82775","Porque sabemos que hay alumnos que realmente no tienen opción.",387.62,389.9,{"idx":428,"utterance_id":429,"speaker_name":69,"text":430,"start_s":431,"end_s":432,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},55,"82776","O el alumno trabaja o estudia.",390.26,392.1,{"idx":434,"utterance_id":435,"speaker_name":69,"text":436,"start_s":437,"end_s":438,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},56,"82777","Se cayó el techo.",392.18,392.86,{"idx":440,"utterance_id":441,"speaker_name":69,"text":442,"start_s":443,"end_s":444,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":445,"target_proposition":446,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":447,"indexable":244},57,"82778","Hoy, aquí dentro de nuestra ETEC, nos estamos encontrando con bebederos y baños clausurados.",393.34,397.94,"9e38e5b9-6372-46cb-9d9d-dedc9102d421","mejorar la infraestructura de las escuelas estatales","informa bebederos y baños clausurados en la ETEC (relato de problema).",{"idx":449,"utterance_id":450,"speaker_name":69,"text":451,"start_s":452,"end_s":453,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":445,"target_proposition":446,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":454,"indexable":244},58,"82779","Techo cayéndose, falta de profesores y hasta larvas en la comida.",398.26,401.4,"describe el techo que se cae, la falta de profesores y problemas con la comida escolar.",{"idx":456,"utterance_id":457,"speaker_name":69,"text":458,"start_s":459,"end_s":460,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},59,"82780","En las últimas lluvias, la escuela se inundó.",402.44,404.28,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":69,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},60,"82781","Las filtraciones y los daños fueron grabados por los alumnos.",404.7,407.84,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":69,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":475,"target_proposition":476,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":477,"indexable":244},61,"82782","Hay una presión y una exigencia desproporcionada, violenta, agresiva contra los profesionales de la educación.",409.06,416.76,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","Relaciones Internacionales \u002F Trabajo","28d8b876-dea6-4af5-b633-2b13dfb41f98","garantizar condiciones de trabajo y protección laboral para docentes","habla de presión y exigencias desproporcionadas sobre los profesionales (relato).",{"idx":271,"utterance_id":479,"speaker_name":69,"text":480,"start_s":481,"end_s":482,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":483,"target_proposition":484,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":485,"indexable":244},"82783","Tengo que ser respetada por la carga que recibo, por el número de alumnos que atiendo, por la partida de fondos que usted no me da.",416.8,425.76,"7a6af56f-83c4-4d6a-9863-68f50d47952c","aumentar presupuesto para las escuelas estatales","se queja de los fondos que 'o senhor não me dá', implicando demanda de recursos.",{"idx":487,"utterance_id":488,"speaker_name":69,"text":489,"start_s":490,"end_s":491,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},63,"82784","El contraste es flagrante.",426.68,428.08,{"idx":493,"utterance_id":494,"speaker_name":69,"text":495,"start_s":496,"end_s":497,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":498,"target_proposition":499,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":500,"indexable":244},64,"82785","Mientras el gobierno de Tarcísio gasta millones en la 'plataformización' de la enseñanza, sin ninguna escucha ni diálogo con la comunidad, decenas de escuelas de lata aún están repartidas por el Estado.",428.62,440.28,"1b17333e-b526-43ca-a3fa-cfb1945e5ebd","invertir en material y personal para ejecutar obras de infraestructura","critica el gasto en una plataforma mientras las escuelas están deterioradas → defiende priorizar.",{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":69,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":507,"topic_label":508,"target_id":509,"target_proposition":510,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":511,"indexable":244},65,"82786","Y contratos millonarios de equipamiento escolar se cierran con la empresa del propio secretario de Educación.",442.26,449.66,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Gobernanza y corrupción","e3b8e07a-ce9f-42a6-bf1b-ca589fd5bc2f","investigar y cohibir conflictos de interés en contratos públicos de educación","alega contratos con una empresa del propio secretario — pide fiscalización implícita.",{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":69,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},66,"82787","São Paulo, desgraciadamente, se está quedando atrás con la gestión de Tarcísio.",451.64,455.58,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":69,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":524,"target_proposition":525,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":526,"indexable":244},67,"82788","Y la última nota del IDEB muestra esa caída en todos los niveles de enseñanza.",456.08,460.56,"8f022c65-d134-4c98-b1a2-a1fa3a02655e","mejorar indicadores de la educación básica en el Estado de São Paulo (IDEB)","cita la caída en el IDEB como diagnóstico, sin propuesta explícita.",{"idx":528,"utterance_id":529,"speaker_name":69,"text":530,"start_s":531,"end_s":532,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},68,"82789","Seguimos hablando de educación porque en São Paulo el rendimiento empeoró en todos los índices de educación básica.",460.6,466.9,{"idx":534,"utterance_id":535,"speaker_name":69,"text":536,"start_s":537,"end_s":538,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},69,"82790","El estado de São Paulo presentó una caída en los índices de educación básica.",467.18,471.64,{"idx":540,"utterance_id":541,"speaker_name":69,"text":542,"start_s":543,"end_s":544,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":524,"target_proposition":525,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":545,"indexable":244},70,"82791","En los años finales de la enseñanza fundamental, São Paulo lideraba, pero ahora aparece también en sexto lugar.",471.8,478.9,"indica que São Paulo cayó al sexto lugar en los años finales (relato estadístico).",{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":69,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},71,"82792","El resultado del estado más rico del país sorprendió negativamente.",479.22,484.62,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":69,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},72,"82793","Pero como decía Paulo Freire, el mundo no es, el mundo está siendo.",486.26,491.46,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":69,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},73,"82794","Y con Tarcísio, está siendo el peor de los mundos.",492.48,495.5,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":69,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},74,"82795","Pero nosotros podemos y vamos a cambiar todo eso.",496.88,499.28,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":69,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},75,"82796","Como vimos aquí en el video, la situación no está nada fácil.",511.2,515.18,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":69,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},76,"82797","Y por eso queremos escucharles a ustedes, que forman parte de la educación de São Paulo.",515.38,520.36,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":69,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},77,"82798","Ahora voy a pasar la palabra a nuestro primer invitado, en realidad a nuestra primera invitada.",521,526.9,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":69,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},78,"82799","que va a hablar aquí, que es Ana Maria Bezerra da Silva, de Diadema.",527.5,531.5,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":69,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":97,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":600,"target_proposition":601,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":602,"indexable":74},79,"82800","Buenos días a todos.",533.74,534.78,"ec2eecfb-cfd5-44bd-bf43-7498a6ac04be","garantizar salud ocupacional y mejores condiciones de trabajo para profesores","informa que profesores se están enfermando y se jubilan por enfermedad (descripción del problema).",{"idx":604,"utterance_id":605,"speaker_name":69,"text":606,"start_s":607,"end_s":608,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},80,"82801","Buenos días, todavía sigo llamando ministra a Dade.",536,538.9,{"idx":610,"utterance_id":611,"speaker_name":69,"text":612,"start_s":613,"end_s":614,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},81,"82802","Mi intervención específicamente ya resumió todo lo que está en el video.",540.86,545.74,{"idx":616,"utterance_id":617,"speaker_name":69,"text":618,"start_s":619,"end_s":620,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},82,"82803","Nuestros profesores se están enfermando, enfermos, tanto los profesores como la institución del magisterio en São Paulo.",546.68,555.02,{"idx":622,"utterance_id":623,"speaker_name":69,"text":624,"start_s":625,"end_s":626,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},83,"82804","Pasamos por... ¿Cómo puedo clasificarlo?",556.16,561.02,{"idx":628,"utterance_id":629,"speaker_name":69,"text":630,"start_s":631,"end_s":632,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},84,"82805","Una vergüenza.",561.1,561.76,{"idx":634,"utterance_id":635,"speaker_name":69,"text":636,"start_s":637,"end_s":638,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},85,"82806","Es una vergüenza que yo llegue a un aula, lidiar con un aula en una escuela de jornada completa, supuestamente una jornada completa.",562.64,573.98,{"idx":640,"utterance_id":641,"speaker_name":69,"text":642,"start_s":643,"end_s":644,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},86,"82807","¿Por qué digo supuestamente?",574.3,575.7,{"idx":646,"utterance_id":647,"speaker_name":69,"text":648,"start_s":649,"end_s":650,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":651,"target_proposition":652,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":654,"indexable":244},87,"82808","Porque es una carga excesiva, tanto para que los alumnos estén siete horas sentados como para que tengamos que controlar sus salidas al baño.",576.62,586.72,"526e375f-41a7-4214-aba9-13105eb8c7cb","garantizar atención adecuada a alumnos con necesidades especiales y reducir el tamaño de las clases",0.78,"describe aula con muchos alumnos y varios con necesidades especiales (problema evidenciado).",{"idx":656,"utterance_id":657,"speaker_name":69,"text":658,"start_s":659,"end_s":660,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},88,"82809","trabajar con clases donde tienes más de 30 alumnos.",588.06,592.5,{"idx":662,"utterance_id":663,"speaker_name":69,"text":664,"start_s":665,"end_s":666,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},89,"82810","Yo, por ejemplo, tengo un aula de tercer año de la educación media, tercero C, que tiene cinco alumnos en condición especial.",592.72,602.88,{"idx":668,"utterance_id":669,"speaker_name":69,"text":670,"start_s":671,"end_s":672,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},90,"82811","Esos alumnos en condición especial, la mayoría son autistas.",604.2,610.6,{"idx":674,"utterance_id":675,"speaker_name":69,"text":676,"start_s":677,"end_s":678,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},91,"82812","La mayoría con algunos problemas de movilidad, con problemas de capacidad cognitiva.",611.58,617.48,{"idx":138,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":69,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},"82813","No soportan el ruido, no soportan la agitación, el movimiento.",618.82,623.2,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":69,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},93,"82814","Y el profesor tiene que lidiar, en mi caso, con cinco alumnos y más de treinta, haciendo ese desorden, porque el adolescente es pura hormona, está a flor de piel.",623.96,635.22,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":69,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},94,"82815","Es confusión, es parloteo.",637.02,639.3,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":69,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},95,"82816","y no sirve de nada que yo grite, no puedo, ¿saben?",639.46,643.16,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":704,"speaker_name":69,"text":705,"start_s":706,"end_s":707,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},96,"82817","También porque, por la ECA, tenemos ahí la constitución del joven aprendiz, no, perdón, del joven protagonista, del adolescente, el alumno protagonista.",643.26,656.32,{"idx":709,"utterance_id":710,"speaker_name":69,"text":711,"start_s":712,"end_s":713,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":714,"target_proposition":715,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":716,"indexable":244},97,"82818","Otra cosa que quiero plantear también es la cuestión del acoso, el acoso moral.",657.58,664.5,"14039bcf-c52e-48fb-9d76-432c8b5dc763","combatir el acoso moral y sexual en las escuelas y en la gestión educativa","habla de acoso moral y sexual y exige respeto a los profesionales.",{"idx":718,"utterance_id":719,"speaker_name":69,"text":720,"start_s":721,"end_s":722,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},98,"82819","en algunas raras ocasiones, el acoso sexual.",666.4,670.04,{"idx":724,"utterance_id":725,"speaker_name":69,"text":726,"start_s":727,"end_s":728,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},99,"82820","Y, por encima de todo, el acoso corporativo, el acoso de la institución.",671.58,675.92,{"idx":730,"utterance_id":731,"speaker_name":69,"text":732,"start_s":733,"end_s":734,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},100,"82821","A esto me refiero a la institución Secretaría de Educación.",676.64,679.92,{"idx":736,"utterance_id":737,"speaker_name":69,"text":738,"start_s":739,"end_s":740,"word_count":307,"indexable":74},101,"82822","Esa Secretaría de Educación que viene disminuyéndonos como seres humanos, donde no puedo enseñar lo que aprendí en mi facultad, donde no puedo enseñar lo que aprendí como... vivencia, mi vivencia personal.",681.94,699.34,{"idx":742,"utterance_id":743,"speaker_name":69,"text":744,"start_s":745,"end_s":746,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},102,"82823","Les voy a decir algo y ustedes hasta se van a reír.",699.84,701.6,{"idx":748,"utterance_id":749,"speaker_name":69,"text":750,"start_s":751,"end_s":752,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},103,"82824","Soy de la época de mi infancia, de los años 70, que aún viví la dictadura de Ernesto Geisel.",702.22,710.7,{"idx":754,"utterance_id":755,"speaker_name":69,"text":756,"start_s":757,"end_s":758,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},104,"82825","Yo era niña, tenía seis o siete años, pero ya veía la dificultad de mis padres, las prohibiciones en la TV, en las canciones, y yo no entendía nada de eso.",711.92,723.96,{"idx":760,"utterance_id":761,"speaker_name":69,"text":762,"start_s":763,"end_s":764,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},105,"82826","Vemos que, actualmente, esa dictadura militarista ha vuelto a salir a la luz veladamente.",727.64,735.92,{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":69,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},106,"82827","No veladamente, gente, hablemos en serio, abiertamente.",736.92,739.88,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":69,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},107,"82828","Porque hoy en día, en nuestra gobernanza estatal, tenemos ahí a un militar.",740.52,745.58,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":69,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},108,"82829","Ese militar contrata a un secretario que es un empresario.",747.74,754.38,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":69,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},109,"82830","El empresario, todos los empresarios trabajan por metas.",754.98,758.22,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":69,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},110,"82831","Pero en la educación no existe ese concepto de trabajar por metas, porque no puedo obligar a un niño a presentarme resultados excepcionales.",759.32,771.8,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":69,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},111,"82832","Yo, como profesora, tampoco puedo presentar resultados excepcionales.",772.8,777.08,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":69,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},112,"82833","Metas, tengo que alcanzar una meta, porque eso se descuenta de mi salario y del salario de la mayoría de nosotros, profesores.",777.92,785.72,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":69,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},113,"82834","Se descuenta, todo lo que puedas imaginar se descuenta del salario.",790.42,794.02,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":69,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},114,"82835","Yo, como categoría O, no tengo derecho al IANSP.",796.06,800.78,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":69,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},115,"82836","Tengo que acudir al SUS.",801.88,803.22,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":69,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},116,"82837","Si yo... Un resfriado, ¡qué resfriado!",803.88,805.8,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":69,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},117,"82838","hoy en día no es nada fácil, gente.",805.84,807.42,{"idx":838,"utterance_id":839,"speaker_name":69,"text":840,"start_s":841,"end_s":842,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},118,"82839","Necesitas estar apartado al menos unos dos.",807.48,809.52,{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":69,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},119,"82840","Si pasas tres días, ya tienes que ir a la evaluación médica.",809.6,814.66,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":69,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},120,"82841","Evaluación médica, por encima de tres días.",816.38,819.36,{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":69,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},121,"82842","Entonces, por lo tanto... Para los profesionales del área de educación, los médicos ya no dan ni siquiera dos días y vuelves muriéndote de dolor de cabeza, con el cuerpo cansado, en fin.",819.42,833.64,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":69,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},122,"82843","Además, están las formaciones de profesores, en las cuales, si no accedes a las plataformas de... EFAP, que es una plataforma educacional, si no tienes esa asistencia, se te descuenta del salario.",836.44,859.82,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":69,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},123,"82844","¿Qué más?",862.62,863.84,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":69,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},124,"82845","El curso multiplica, no eres clasificado para tomar clases el próximo año.",864.48,869.74,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":69,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":885,"target_proposition":886,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":888,"indexable":244},125,"82846","Las plataformas que costaron millones, una de ellas, la plataforma de matemáticas, llegó a costar 17 millones.",870.76,878.34,"24941834-c090-4e8a-b11b-e37cc09e4569","priorizar inversiones en infraestructura escolar en lugar de la plataformización",0.86,"compara el costo millonario de una plataforma con escuelas deterioradas — critica las prioridades.",{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":69,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},126,"82847","Mientras tanto, las escuelas... vilipendiadas, escuelas en ruinas, donde no hay suficientes baños, donde no se reponen el papel higiénico ni se cambian los filtros de agua de los bebederos.",879,897.76,{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":69,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":97,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":901,"target_proposition":902,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":903,"indexable":74},127,"82848","La conexión a Internet es pésima.",898.8,900.2,"ec8a10e3-55eb-438a-8d7a-a2aa5f991fd7","garantizar acceso a Internet de calidad en las escuelas públicas","informa que la conexión a Internet de la escuela es pésima y que usan su paquete de datos personal para trabajar.",{"idx":905,"utterance_id":906,"speaker_name":69,"text":907,"start_s":908,"end_s":909,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},128,"82849","Tengo que usar mi paquete de datos personal para poder dar clase, registrar las asistencias.",901.24,907.54,{"idx":911,"utterance_id":912,"speaker_name":69,"text":913,"start_s":914,"end_s":915,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},129,"82850","Otra cosa, geolocalización.",908.18,911.38,{"idx":917,"utterance_id":918,"speaker_name":69,"text":919,"start_s":920,"end_s":921,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},130,"82851","¿Eso qué quiere decir?",912.06,912.92,{"idx":923,"utterance_id":924,"speaker_name":69,"text":925,"start_s":926,"end_s":927,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},131,"82852","Si la internet de la escuela no funciona, no puedo ir a mi casa y terminar de cerrar lo que anoté en mi cuaderno.",913.26,920.34,{"idx":929,"utterance_id":930,"speaker_name":69,"text":931,"start_s":932,"end_s":933,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},132,"82853","Se me descuenta del salario, como falta.",921.84,924.1,{"idx":935,"utterance_id":936,"speaker_name":69,"text":937,"start_s":938,"end_s":939,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},133,"82854","Tengo hasta cinco días para hacer eso, pero necesito justificarlo.",927.64,931.36,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":941,"speaker_name":69,"text":942,"start_s":943,"end_s":944,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},"82855","Allí en la escuela, tengo que ir a la escuela dentro de cinco días.",932.24,935.66,{"idx":946,"utterance_id":947,"speaker_name":69,"text":948,"start_s":949,"end_s":950,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},135,"82856","Por ejemplo, hice el registro de asistencia ayer, viernes, la internet estaba mala.",936.34,940.14,{"idx":952,"utterance_id":953,"speaker_name":69,"text":954,"start_s":955,"end_s":956,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},136,"82857","Tuve que quedarme más allá del horario.",941.94,943.28,{"idx":958,"utterance_id":959,"speaker_name":69,"text":960,"start_s":961,"end_s":962,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},137,"82858","para ver si volvía, para usar mi internet.",943.62,946.18,{"idx":964,"utterance_id":965,"speaker_name":69,"text":966,"start_s":967,"end_s":968,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":969,"target_proposition":970,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":972,"indexable":74},138,"82859","Porque, si voy a hacerlo en mi casa, ahora existe una tal geolocalización.",947.42,951.54,"c58f6ccd-de9a-4cfe-9c29-736db52ba5b2","revisar el uso de geolocalización y criterios de descuento salarial para docentes",0.7,"relata la geolocalización que impide el registro remoto y provoca descuento salarial, pidiendo un cambio.",{"idx":51,"utterance_id":974,"speaker_name":69,"text":975,"start_s":976,"end_s":977,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"82860","Y, por esa geolocalización, no puedo 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escuela.",972.34,973.8,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":69,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},145,"82866","No sirve.",976.84,977.38,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":69,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},146,"82867","Y entonces digo, ¿ese tiempo que gasté, lo cobro como hora extra?",979.44,984.34,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":69,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},147,"82868","No.",984.86,985.02,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":69,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},148,"82869","¿Tenemos derecho a vale de 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allá.",1008.26,1010.36,{"idx":1055,"utterance_id":1056,"speaker_name":69,"text":1057,"start_s":1058,"end_s":1059,"word_count":325,"indexable":74},153,"82874","Es decir, quiero decir todo esto, pero también hablé sobre la situación de los alumnos con necesidades especiales, hablé del deterioro y desmantelamiento de las escuelas, hablé de la plataformización que nos enferma y que nos impide tener la autonomía para enseñar lo que aprendimos.",1011.48,1029.64,{"idx":1061,"utterance_id":1062,"speaker_name":69,"text":1063,"start_s":1064,"end_s":1065,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},154,"82875","Dije que iba a hacerles reír, porque soy de la época en que todavía vi por televisión la caída del Skylab.",1032.1,1039.36,{"idx":1067,"utterance_id":1068,"speaker_name":69,"text":1069,"start_s":1070,"end_s":1071,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},155,"82876","del Skylab, uno de los primeros satélites de observación terrestre.",1041.26,1045.14,{"idx":1073,"utterance_id":1074,"speaker_name":69,"text":1075,"start_s":1076,"end_s":1077,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},156,"82877","Parece que hablo en japonés, porque pocos lo recuerdan.",1048.2,1051.84,{"idx":1079,"utterance_id":1080,"speaker_name":69,"text":1081,"start_s":1082,"end_s":1083,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},157,"82878","Pero estuve presente, no en la caída, claro, sino en las salas de transmisión, porque la gente pensaba que el mundo se estaba acabando, que los extraterrestres iban a invadir, en fin.",1052.6,1064.74,{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":69,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},158,"82879","Pero eso es todo, ministra Haddad.",1066,1070.78,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":69,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},159,"82880","Esa decepción que tenemos con la educación, profesionales que se alejan por problemas mentales, alumnos con necesidades especiales que gritan, agreden, y no tenemos cómo lidiar con ese contingente.",1073.38,1090.58,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":69,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},160,"82881","Quiero agradecer su atención y la atención de todos.",1091.62,1094.02,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":69,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},161,"82882","Pido disculpas por tener pocas palabras para poder expresarme, pero dije lo que quería.",1094.48,1101.98,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":69,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},162,"82883","Muchas gracias, Ana, por haber aceptado compartir tu historia.",1109.5,1112.94,{"idx":1115,"utterance_id":1116,"speaker_name":69,"text":1117,"start_s":1118,"end_s":1119,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},163,"82884","Ana, así como yo, Didi Adema, así como yo.",1113.1,1115.42,{"idx":1121,"utterance_id":1122,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1123,"start_s":1124,"end_s":1125,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},164,"82885","Quisiera preguntarle una cosa a ella, antes de pasar al siguiente.",1115.9,1119.24,{"idx":1127,"utterance_id":1128,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1129,"start_s":1130,"end_s":1131,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},165,"82886","¿Puedo interrumpir?",1120.1,1120.82,{"idx":1133,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":69,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},166,"82887","Claro.",1121.06,1121.38,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},167,"82888","Soy disciplinado.",1122.12,1123.6,{"idx":1145,"utterance_id":1146,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1147,"start_s":1148,"end_s":1149,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},168,"82889","Si no puedo, no lo hago.",1124.74,1125.9,{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},169,"82890","Quisiera saber, ¿hace cuánto tiempo usted es profesora de la red estatal?",1126.62,1130.82,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":69,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},170,"82891","Tengo cerca de 12 años.",1131.5,1132.9,{"idx":1163,"utterance_id":1164,"speaker_name":69,"text":1165,"start_s":1166,"end_s":1167,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},171,"82892","12 años.",1132.92,1134.2,{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},172,"82893","Es importante para que lo sepamos.",1135.5,1136.74,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":69,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},173,"82894","Como categoría O, aprobé en el concurso, algunos fueron llamados, de los 40 mil solo 15 mil fueron convocados, de esos 15 mil solo 12 mil fueron efectivados.",1137.82,1149.66,{"idx":1181,"utterance_id":1182,"speaker_name":69,"text":1183,"start_s":1184,"end_s":1185,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},174,"82895","¿Por qué?",1149.78,1150.1,{"idx":1187,"utterance_id":1188,"speaker_name":69,"text":1189,"start_s":1190,"end_s":1191,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},175,"82896","Porque los otros no pasaron la pericia médica.",1150.48,1153.6,{"idx":1193,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":69,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},176,"82897","O porque eres gordo, o porque... tienes miopía, usas anteojos, en fin, son cosas que ya supe.",1154.58,1163.56,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},177,"82898","Y en estos 12 años, retrospectivamente, ¿recuerda un periodo tan crítico como el actual?",1163.6,1172.22,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1205,"speaker_name":69,"text":1023,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"82899",1173.5,1173.68,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":69,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1214,"target_proposition":1215,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":1216,"indexable":244},179,"82900","Tuvimos, pues, en el gobierno anterior al actual, puedo citar el gobierno de Doria, pero no fue tan drástico.",1174.86,1188.36,"c89c142b-ab16-4e84-a6f2-396f55d1c311","garantizar condiciones laborales decentes para evitar el deterioro de la salud de los docentes","compara gobiernos y afirma que el actual es más humillante, reclamando mejores condiciones.",{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":69,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},180,"82901","De cierta forma, sí, pero no tan grave, no tan humillante, porque la palabra correcta es humillante, como en el gobierno estatal.",1189.48,1197.46,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":69,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":1229,"target_proposition":1230,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":1232,"indexable":244},181,"82902","El gobierno estatal está haciendo que realmente enfermemos, jubilación anticipada.",1198.7,1210.4,"18288cbf-d76b-4997-bf60-a1659534d2e3","garantizar el derecho al tiempo libre y al descanso semanal",0.82,"afirma que el gobierno estatal está provocando el deterioro de la salud de los profesores (crítica y demanda).",{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":69,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},182,"82903","En fin, la mayoría de los profesionales que hoy en día están siendo recolocados, los pocos, es debido a la jubilación.",1211.52,1219.92,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":69,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},183,"82904","Jubilación, ausentismo por enfermedad mental; otra cosa también muy impactante es que ha caído mucho la tasa de inscripciones en las universidades para las carreras de formación docente.",1221.6,1235.54,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":69,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},184,"82905","Es algo aterrador.",1237.26,1238.42,{"idx":1252,"utterance_id":1253,"speaker_name":69,"text":1254,"start_s":1255,"end_s":1256,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},185,"82906","Así que ya preveemos para 2040 el apagón de docentes.",1239.26,1244.72,{"idx":1258,"utterance_id":1259,"speaker_name":69,"text":1260,"start_s":1261,"end_s":1262,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},186,"82907","Eso es lamentable.",1245.62,1246.46,{"idx":1264,"utterance_id":1265,"speaker_name":69,"text":1266,"start_s":1267,"end_s":1268,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},187,"82908","Eso es todo, solo agradecer una vez más por su relato.",1254,1256.08,{"idx":1270,"utterance_id":1271,"speaker_name":69,"text":1272,"start_s":1273,"end_s":1274,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},188,"82909","Sé que no es fácil compartir esto, pero es muy importante que escuchemos justamente para entender el problema en su raíz.",1256.12,1263.4,{"idx":1276,"utterance_id":1277,"speaker_name":69,"text":1278,"start_s":1279,"end_s":1280,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},189,"82910","Todo profesional pasa por un profesor, pasa por un educador, y vemos a los profesores siendo tratados de esa forma lamentable.",1264.1,1273.3,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":69,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},"82911","Voy a pasar la palabra a nuestra siguiente invitada, en realidad, que es Andressa Souza, de São Roque.",1274.54,1282.7,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":69,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},191,"82912","Buenas tardes.",1283.38,1284.1,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":69,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},192,"82913","Como dije, mi nombre es Andressa.",1287.34,1289.04,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":69,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},193,"82914","Me gustaría mucho hablar sobre algunas cuestiones escolares en la educación, que también viví.",1289.46,1295.4,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":69,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},194,"82915","Y también me gustaría hablar primero sobre mi experiencia en el deporte.",1296.58,1301.64,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":69,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},195,"82916","Vivía en Osasco cuando estaba en la escuela de educación básica, vivía en Osasco y siempre estudié en el centro de São Paulo.",1302.7,1311,{"idx":1317,"utterance_id":1318,"speaker_name":69,"text":1319,"start_s":1320,"end_s":1321,"word_count":409,"indexable":74},196,"82917","Entonces, tomaba el autobús; en el trayecto podían ocurrir posibles accidentes, había lluvias, inundaciones, había días en que llegaba tarde a la escuela y no me dejaban entrar, o en la primera clase, o tenía que volver a casa, lo que hacía perder contenido escolar también, en la primera o en el resto de los días.",1312.24,1335.06,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":69,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},"82918","Y creo que... Cuando la ciudad no garantiza un transporte seguro para ir a la institución educativa, se convierte en una resistencia diaria.",1336.04,1348.62,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":69,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},198,"82919","También me gustaría hablar sobre cómo fue esa reforma del nuevo ensino médio y cómo afectó la falta de materiales didácticos.",1350.92,1361.04,{"idx":1334,"utterance_id":1335,"speaker_name":69,"text":1336,"start_s":1337,"end_s":1338,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},199,"82920","y la sustitución además por lo online, porque no todos los alumnos tienen los recursos, no tienen internet para poder acceder.",1363.32,1371.18,{"idx":1340,"utterance_id":1341,"speaker_name":69,"text":1342,"start_s":1343,"end_s":1344,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},200,"82921","Y no todos están de acuerdo con esa metodología online de enseñanza, porque también nos afecta.",1371.62,1380.32,{"idx":1346,"utterance_id":1347,"speaker_name":69,"text":1348,"start_s":1349,"end_s":1350,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},201,"82922","Hay veces en que no podemos aprender de esa forma.",1383.16,1385.6,{"idx":1352,"utterance_id":1353,"speaker_name":69,"text":1354,"start_s":1355,"end_s":1356,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},202,"82923","Y sí, nos gusta una metodología más... didáctica también, teórica en sí, así como logramos aprender.",1386.26,1395.68,{"idx":1358,"utterance_id":1359,"speaker_name":69,"text":1360,"start_s":1361,"end_s":1362,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},203,"82924","No todos los alumnos pueden adaptarse a esa metodología por no poder hacerlo.",1396.06,1402.54,{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":1365,"speaker_name":69,"text":1366,"start_s":1367,"end_s":1368,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},204,"82925","No es una forma que permite ese aprendizaje.",1402.6,1405.92,{"idx":1370,"utterance_id":1371,"speaker_name":69,"text":1372,"start_s":1373,"end_s":1374,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},205,"82926","Y también me gustaría mucho hablar sobre la sustitución de clases básicas y esenciales por clases electivas, que no siempre aportan a nuestro currículo escolar; por ejemplo, yo no tuve química",1406.78,1423.2,{"idx":1376,"utterance_id":1377,"speaker_name":69,"text":1378,"start_s":1379,"end_s":1380,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},206,"82927","en el tercer año, si no me equivoco, no tuve la materia de química, que fue sustituida por una asignatura electiva, como educación financiera o algo por el estilo.",1424.44,1434.12,{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":69,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},207,"82928","Había aulas en mi escuela que no tenían matemáticas, que también fueron sustituidas.",1434.62,1439.8,{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":69,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},208,"82929","Entonces, creo que sería esencial el regreso de esas materias básicas, al menos las esenciales, para nuestro aprendizaje, para que tengamos una enseñanza básica también.",1440.52,1450.48,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":69,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},209,"82930","Creo que eso es todo.",1451.5,1452.24,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":69,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},210,"82931","Gracias.",1452.28,1452.94,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":69,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},211,"82932","Andressa, gracias por compartir esto con nosotros.",1459.34,1461.74,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":69,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},212,"82933","Creo que es muy importante que entendamos justamente lo que el joven está viviendo en este proceso.",1461.78,1469.24,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":69,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":1426,"indexable":74},213,"82934","Hablamos de educación, pero ¿quién tiene acceso a la educación?",1470.84,1473.24,"037d7cc1-d5b6-4c86-b0b4-ceb251015b82","expandir el acceso a la educación básica con tecnología e infraestructura",0.72,"hace una pregunta retórica destacando la desigualdad de acceso a la educación.",{"idx":1428,"utterance_id":1429,"speaker_name":69,"text":1430,"start_s":1431,"end_s":1432,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},214,"82935","Que es algo tan importante para la formación de ese joven, para que llegue a la universidad, para que consiga un empleo.",1473.34,1479.82,{"idx":1434,"utterance_id":1435,"speaker_name":69,"text":1436,"start_s":1437,"end_s":1438,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":1439,"indexable":74},215,"82936","Y si la educación no está siendo efectiva, si usted no está consiguiendo acceso, tenemos un gran problema que resolver.",1480.04,1488.16,"afirma un problema de efectividad y de acceso sin proponer una acción específica.",{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":69,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},216,"82937","No, imagina.",1489.98,1490.64,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":69,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},217,"82938","¿No molestas allá?",1491.1,1491.74,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},218,"82939","Voy a pedir permiso aquí de nuevo.",1491.78,1493.1,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},219,"82940","Andressa, ¿no había una vacante en una escuela de enseñanza media en su ciudad?",1493.86,1500.14,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},220,"82941","¿Por qué tuvo que venir hasta el centro de São Paulo?",1501.3,1503.86,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},221,"82942","¿Cuál fue la razón?",1504.44,1505.3,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":69,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},222,"82943","Mi madre trabaja cerca, en el centro de São Paulo, allí en Consolação.",1506.12,1510.12,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":69,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},223,"82944","Y llegué a asistir por unos tres días a la escuela en Osasco, pero no me adapté.",1510.8,1520,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":69,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},224,"82945","No conseguí adaptarme.",1520.9,1522.1,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":69,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},225,"82946","Creo que también por los métodos de enseñanza, porque vi que los profesores... tenían la modalidad online, entonces solo pasaban las respuestas, y yo no lograba...",1522.6,1537.22,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":69,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},226,"82947","bueno, yo quería aprender.",1537.3,1538.36,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},227,"82948","Entiendo.",1539.32,1540.06,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},228,"82949","¿Y fue usted quien solicitó la transferencia a una escuela cerca de donde trabajaba su madre?",1540.3,1545.12,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":69,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},"82950","Sí, le pedí a mi madre que lo gestionara; en esa época yo era menor de edad, entonces ella lo hizo.",1545.48,1551.64,{"idx":1524,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":69,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},230,"82951","Creo que en esta enseñanza... es esencial para el joven hoy en día tener una conciencia crítica, tener una conciencia cultural también; hubo esa falta de actividades culturales en las escuelas, en la enseñanza.",1551.7,1566,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},231,"82952","¿Usted venía con su madre en un transporte intermunicipal, o venía sola hasta aquí?",1566.12,1570.84,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":69,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},232,"82953","Iba sola.",1571.2,1572.08,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":69,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},233,"82954","A partir más o menos de sexto año en adelante, empecé a ir sola y mi madre iba a trabajar.",1573.72,1579.68,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":69,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},234,"82955","Ella salía temprano, como a las cinco.",1579.74,1582.02,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},235,"82956","¿Y qué tipo de transporte le ofrecieron?",1582.86,1584.68,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},236,"82957","¿El transporte normal?",1584.78,1585.86,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":69,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},237,"82958","Sí, el autobús público.",1586.82,1587.98,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":69,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},238,"82959","El autobús público normal.",1588.22,1589.4,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":69,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},239,"82960","Sí.",1589.62,1589.76,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":69,"text":1509,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},240,"82961",1589.82,1590.34,{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":69,"text":1402,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},241,"82962",1590.9,1591.26,{"idx":1594,"utterance_id":1595,"speaker_name":69,"text":1596,"start_s":1597,"end_s":1598,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},242,"82963","Gracias una vez más, Andressa.",1593.3,1595,{"idx":1600,"utterance_id":1601,"speaker_name":69,"text":1602,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},243,"82964","Realmente es una situación muy complicada.",1598.62,1601.22,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1606,"speaker_name":69,"text":1607,"start_s":1608,"end_s":1609,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},"82965","Hemos visto aquí dos lados, el de quien enseña y el de quien aprende.",1601.28,1605.46,{"idx":1611,"utterance_id":1612,"speaker_name":69,"text":1613,"start_s":1614,"end_s":1615,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},245,"82966","Voy a pasar la palabra a nuestro próximo invitado, que es Dylan, de São Paulo.",1605.88,1611.04,{"idx":1617,"utterance_id":1618,"speaker_name":69,"text":1619,"start_s":1620,"end_s":1621,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},246,"82967","¡Buenos días!",1611.86,1612.62,{"idx":1623,"utterance_id":1624,"speaker_name":69,"text":1625,"start_s":1626,"end_s":1627,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},247,"82968","¡Buenos días, todo bien?",1613.08,1614.06,{"idx":1629,"utterance_id":1630,"speaker_name":69,"text":1631,"start_s":1632,"end_s":1633,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},248,"82969","Mi nombre es Dila, tengo 18 años y vengo de un cursillo popular.",1615.4,1618.84,{"idx":1635,"utterance_id":1636,"speaker_name":69,"text":1637,"start_s":1638,"end_s":1639,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},249,"82970","Creo que todo el mundo sabe que el cursillo popular lo organizan asociaciones u ONGs.",1618.92,1623.78,{"idx":1641,"utterance_id":1642,"speaker_name":69,"text":1643,"start_s":1644,"end_s":1645,"word_count":335,"indexable":74},250,"82971","Cuando busqué el cursillo popular el año pasado, estaba en la secundaria, en tercer año; todos los que ya pasaron por el tercer año saben que es esa época en que hay que trabajar, quieres estudiar para entrar en la universidad, aprobar el Enem.",1624.42,1634.94,{"idx":1647,"utterance_id":1648,"speaker_name":69,"text":1649,"start_s":1650,"end_s":1651,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},251,"82972","Y, en eso, fui en busca de un cursillo popular.",1635,1637.26,{"idx":1653,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":69,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},252,"82973","Pero el más cercano que encontré a mi casa fue indicado por un profesor y eran dos autobuses para ir y volver desde mi casa hasta ese cursillo popular.",1637.82,1646.6,{"idx":1659,"utterance_id":1660,"speaker_name":69,"text":1661,"start_s":1662,"end_s":1663,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},253,"82974","Y eso fue una dificultad para mí, porque, en esa época, no tenía un salario muy bueno.",1647.14,1650.86,{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":69,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},254,"82975","Yo era joven aprendiz y, muchas veces, ese transporte público lo costeaba de mi propio bolsillo.",1650.92,1656.56,{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":69,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},255,"82976","Y, en esa época, no había ningún curso preuniversitario cerca de mí.",1657.46,1660.98,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":69,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},256,"82977","Entonces, salía de la Zona Norte, por la zona de Santana, para ir hasta Jaçanã.",1661.24,1665.02,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":69,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},257,"82978","que era donde estaba mi curso preuniversitario.",1665.46,1666.9,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":69,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":428,"indexable":74},258,"82979","Con el paso de los meses, el curso era muy bueno, los profesores eran excelentes, y resultó que hubo una acción de la CEPOP para dar 200 reais de beca a los estudiantes, lo que facilitó mi desplazamiento, porque el desaliento financiero casi me hacía desistir de mi sueño, que era ingresar en una universidad pública.",1667.66,1687.3,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":69,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},259,"82980","A medida que este estímulo económico fue gestionado por ONGs y por asociaciones, fue algo que me permitió hoy estar cursando una carrera universitaria; estoy estudiando terapia ocupacional 100% gracias a la UNE, gracias a Dios.",1688.86,1701.74,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":69,"text":1402,"start_s":1703,"end_s":1704,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},260,"82981",1702.42,1708.76,{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":69,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1711,"target_proposition":1712,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":1713,"indexable":244},261,"82982","Y era algo que debía ser un incentivo estatal.",1709.48,1712.86,"f1de0607-c91d-4e43-bfb4-ac2dbe526859","instituir apoyo financiero estatal a cursillos populares","declara que el estímulo debería ser estatal ('era para ser um incentivo estatal').",{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":69,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":370,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1720,"target_proposition":1721,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":1722,"indexable":244},262,"82983","Podría haber un curso preuniversitario cerca de mi casa, cerca de donde vivo; hay muchas escuelas públicas que podrían abrir los sábados o los domingos para recibir a estos estudiantes, porque mucha gente de la periferia tiene interés en estudiar, tiene interés en querer ir a la universidad.",1713.2,1729.32,"ef242bc7-a241-4fb3-90bb-13b9d16ff047","abrir escuelas públicas los fines de semana para actividades y cursos preparatorios","propone explícitamente abrir las escuelas los sábados y domingos para recibir a los estudiantes.",{"idx":1724,"utterance_id":1725,"speaker_name":69,"text":1726,"start_s":1727,"end_s":1728,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1729,"target_proposition":1730,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":1731,"indexable":244},263,"82984","Entonces, creo que capacitar a estos estudiantes para que puedan realizar ese sueño, así como yo también pude lograrlo con mucho esfuerzo, porque el estudio no puede ser un sacrificio; la educación es algo que es un derecho.",1729.64,1740.7,"096f2bee-4856-47ae-a134-d7b604bee686","ofrecer programas de preparación para el ingreso a la educación superior a estudiantes de la periferia","defiende capacitar a estudiantes de periferia para ingresar a la universidad.",{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":69,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},264,"82985","que es algo que debemos querer conquistar a toda costa.",1741.22,1743.54,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":69,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},265,"82986","Y creo que eso es todo.",1744.28,1745.08,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":69,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},266,"82987","Gracias por la oportunidad.",1745.14,1746.94,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":69,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},267,"82988","Gracias, Dilan, por haber compartido tu historia con nosotros.",1751.72,1755.28,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":69,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},268,"82989","Es muy importante ver jóvenes que han logrado llegar, pero tu intervención es muy importante.",1755.5,1761.22,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":69,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},269,"82990","La educación es un derecho básico y no debe suponernos sufrimiento para obtenerla.",1761.64,1767.72,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":69,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},270,"82991","Muchas gracias por compartir con nosotros.",1768.22,1770.16,{"idx":1775,"utterance_id":1776,"speaker_name":69,"text":1777,"start_s":1778,"end_s":1779,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},271,"82992","¿Quieres preguntar algo?",1770.2,1771.86,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":69,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},272,"82993","Vamos con nuestro próximo invitado, que es Levi Castro, aquí de São Paulo.",1774.22,1779.68,{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":69,"text":597,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},273,"82994",1780.64,1781.54,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":69,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},274,"82995","Estoy aquí.",1781.9,1782.3,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":69,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},275,"82996","Soy Levi Castro.",1783.42,1784.54,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":69,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},276,"82997","Llevo puesta una camiseta gris, pantalón, gorra, tengo barba y gafas.",1784.84,1788.5,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":69,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},277,"82998","Soy un hombre con discapacidad.",1789.28,1790.42,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":69,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},278,"82999","Tengo 28 años actualmente.",1791.18,1792.62,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":69,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},279,"83000","En 2020, ingresé en el curso de Ciencias de la Naturaleza.",1793.16,1797.14,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":69,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},280,"83001","Era una licenciatura.",1797.3,1798.26,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":69,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},281,"83002","Y fue también el año en que fui padre, cuando nació Theo.",1798.7,1800.92,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":69,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":380,"indexable":74},282,"83003","Estudiaba y trabajaba, y entonces, cuando llegó febrero de 1922, haciendo el trayecto trabajo-facultad —yo vivo en la Zona Este de São Paulo, tengo la cuestión del transporte y la movilidad— tuve un accidente de tráfico, en el que choqué con un autobús y me convertí en una persona con discapacidad.",1801.86,1822.06,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":69,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},283,"83004","Y, a partir de ese día, mi trayectoria académica cambió, porque... yo no estudiaba cerca de casa, necesitaba desplazarme, empecé a usar silla de ruedas.",1822.98,1834.14,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":69,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},284,"83005","Y, desde ese día en adelante, la graduación quedó más lejos, por las barreras que ya se nos imponen.",1834.86,1845.2,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":69,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},285,"83006","Y empecé a volver a situarme en el mundo y, entendiendo el espacio de mi cuerpo en la sociedad, viviendo esas barreras.",1846.3,1860.3,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":69,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":1869,"topic_label":1870,"target_id":1871,"target_proposition":1872,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":1873,"indexable":74},286,"83007","Entonces, me convierto en una persona que usa silla de ruedas y, de repente, necesito usar un autobús para ir a la universidad y veo la dificultad de tomar un autobús.",1860.86,1872.48,"direitos-e-igualdade","Derechos e Igualdad","e2a50efb-66ee-4c3a-869b-fb2e501ac02c","garantizar accesibilidad en el transporte público y en las escuelas para personas con discapacidad","relata dificultades de movilidad y el uso de silla de ruedas sin proponer una política explícita.",{"idx":1875,"utterance_id":1876,"speaker_name":69,"text":1877,"start_s":1878,"end_s":1879,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},287,"83008","Tengo dificultad para desplazarme por el territorio debido a cuestas y cuestiones de la ciudad.",1873.2,1879.02,{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":69,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},288,"83009","Pero creo que todo eso no podía detenerme.",1880.02,1883.84,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":69,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},289,"83010","Entonces, después de hacer... esa movilización en la búsqueda de la rehabilitación.",1884.44,1891.86,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":69,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},290,"83011","Dylan habló sobre terapia ocupacional y es muy importante en el proceso de rehabilitación.",1892.76,1898.2,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":69,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},291,"83012","Hoy en día estudio gestión de eventos en una universidad tecnológica de São Paulo.",1899.02,1903.1,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":69,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},"83013","Es distinto darse cuenta de que antes tenía las barreras del racismo en mi vida escolar y hoy en día también existen las barreras del capacitismo.",1903.72,1914.7,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":69,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":354,"topic_slug":1869,"topic_label":1870,"target_id":1915,"target_proposition":1916,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":1917,"indexable":244},293,"83014","La gente intenta romper con las barreras arquitectónicas y las barreras que ya existen, pero muchas veces falta que el ascensor funcione para que yo pueda entrar al aula, que muchas veces la cisterna no consigue enviar agua a los baños adaptados.",1918,1935.6,"fb8a3f1e-a707-487a-bebe-3d8c8b8a754e","garantizar accesibilidad arquitectónica en las escuelas públicas","cita la falta de ascensor y baños adaptados como barreras a superar.",{"idx":1919,"utterance_id":1920,"speaker_name":69,"text":1921,"start_s":1922,"end_s":1923,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},294,"83015","Entonces, creo que surgieron diversas cosas en mi camino y, cuando me propongo a seguir viviendo y estudiando, esas barreras se vuelven grandes y hay que superarlas.",1936.26,1957.28,{"idx":1925,"utterance_id":1926,"speaker_name":69,"text":1927,"start_s":1928,"end_s":1929,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},295,"83016","Entonces, hoy en día tengo 28 años, estoy en la carrera para graduarme en gestión de eventos, y entiendo que todo ese recorrido en la educación es muy importante para mí.",1957.96,1972.06,{"idx":1931,"utterance_id":1932,"speaker_name":69,"text":1933,"start_s":1934,"end_s":1935,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},296,"83017","También mi lugar, como estudiante, un hombre negro con discapacidad, en este espacio.",1973.8,1979.48,{"idx":1937,"utterance_id":1938,"speaker_name":69,"text":1939,"start_s":1940,"end_s":1941,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1942,"target_proposition":1943,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1944,"indexable":244},297,"83018","Creo que la gestión actual del gobierno del Estado falla bastante y se puede avanzar y puede ser mejor.",1979.94,1990.26,"7f47a2da-90db-4c06-8848-31a877519244","mejorar la gestión pública","declara que la gestión actual 'falha' y que es necesario avanzar.",{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":69,"text":1396,"start_s":1948,"end_s":1949,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},298,"83019",1990.3,1991.32,{"idx":1951,"utterance_id":1952,"speaker_name":69,"text":1402,"start_s":1953,"end_s":1954,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},299,"83020",1991.96,1992.18,{"idx":1956,"utterance_id":1957,"speaker_name":69,"text":1958,"start_s":1959,"end_s":1960,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},300,"83021","Levi, muchas gracias por haber compartido con nosotros.",1999.54,2002.36,{"idx":1962,"utterance_id":1963,"speaker_name":69,"text":1964,"start_s":1965,"end_s":1966,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},301,"83022","Es muy importante tu intervención porque imaginamos... las dificultades de una persona con discapacidad, pero no llegamos a experimentarlas.",2003.1,2012.56,{"idx":1968,"utterance_id":1969,"speaker_name":69,"text":1970,"start_s":1971,"end_s":1972,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},302,"83023","El único problema es que cualquier persona puede convertirse en una persona con discapacidad.",2012.92,2016.46,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":69,"text":1975,"start_s":1976,"end_s":1977,"word_count":380,"indexable":74},"83024","Y no lo pensamos, la sociedad no lo piensa, en cómo todo debe ser accesible, porque cualquier persona, incluso en algunos momentos, estando embarazada o con una pierna rota, tiene dificultad de desplazamiento, así que todo tiene que ser accesible, incluida la educación.",2017.32,2035.06,{"idx":1979,"utterance_id":1980,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":1982,"end_s":1983,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},304,"83025","Muchas gracias.",2035.12,2035.8,{"idx":1985,"utterance_id":1986,"speaker_name":69,"text":1987,"start_s":1988,"end_s":1989,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},305,"83026","Voy a dar la palabra ahora a Sabrina Barroso, de Itapuí.",2036.86,2041.32,{"idx":1991,"utterance_id":1992,"speaker_name":69,"text":1993,"start_s":1994,"end_s":1995,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},306,"83027","Buenos días.",2044.7,2045.28,{"idx":1997,"utterance_id":1998,"speaker_name":69,"text":1747,"start_s":1999,"end_s":2000,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},307,"83028",2045.62,2047.14,{"idx":2002,"utterance_id":2003,"speaker_name":69,"text":597,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},308,"83029",2048.18,2048.94,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":69,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},309,"83030","En primer lugar, quiero agradecer a la esposa de Haddad y a Haddad por el ProUni.",2049.6,2054.44,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":69,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},310,"83031","Si no, no estaría aquí.",2054.98,2055.76,{"idx":2019,"utterance_id":2020,"speaker_name":69,"text":2021,"start_s":2022,"end_s":2023,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},311,"83032","Mi primera titulación fue 100% con ProUni.",2057.2,2059.74,{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":69,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2030,"target_proposition":2031,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":2032,"rationale":2033,"indexable":244},312,"83033","Ahora, usted, si es elegido gobernador del estado, mantenga la Univesp, por favor, porque yo estoy haciendo Letras y millones de personas también están estudiando Letras.",2060.58,2071.96,"1e86501e-d465-4153-81da-21fdd9ad7461","mantener la Univesp",0.95,"petición directa: 'mantenha a Univesp, por gentileza'.",{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":69,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":342,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":2040,"target_proposition":2041,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":2042,"indexable":244},313,"83034","Las políticas públicas sociales de nuestro partido PT son muy... ¿cómo decir?, sólidas, puedo decirlo así, porque transforman nuestra vida, nos sacan realmente, de hecho, del lugar en el que estábamos y nos colocan, de hecho, en el rol de protagonistas.",2073.22,2091.84,"3256d729-9da1-4c75-9b0e-39eb0d5f4b49","mantener políticas que amplíen los servicios públicos prestados","elogia las políticas sociales del partido y su impacto transformador.",{"idx":2044,"utterance_id":2045,"speaker_name":69,"text":2046,"start_s":2047,"end_s":2048,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},314,"83035","Y creo que gran parte de mi autonomía vino de eso, de esa intencionalidad política.",2092.72,2098.58,{"idx":2050,"utterance_id":2051,"speaker_name":69,"text":2052,"start_s":2053,"end_s":2054,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},315,"83036","Pero vine hoy aquí porque soy profesora del Estado.",2099.54,2103.98,{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":69,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},316,"83037","Afortunadamente, porque yo quise.",2106.32,2108.56,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":69,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},317,"83038","ser profesora del Estado.",2109.34,2110.6,{"idx":316,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":69,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},"83039","Nunca presenté oposición para el municipio.",2111.4,2114.34,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":69,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},319,"83040","Vengo del suelo del Estado.",2115.2,2116.7,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":69,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},320,"83041","Fui estudiante de la escuela estatal.",2117.02,2120.24,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":69,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},321,"83042","Pasé por todas las etapas de las décadas de los 90 y de los 2000.",2121.4,2124.78,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":69,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},322,"83043","Y cuando me hice adulta, quise también ser profesora, porque es difícil.",2124.88,2131.7,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":69,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},323,"83044","Lo que es fácil tampoco me atrae.",2133.02,2134.44,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":69,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":289,"indexable":74},324,"83045","Al lado de mi casa hay una escuela, sin embargo yo viajo 40 km por día para ir y 40 para volver, porque estoy en una API de 9 horas al día, 5 días a la semana.",2135.5,2145.42,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":69,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},325,"83046","El año pasado trabajé en el SEJA, que es un centro de atención para jóvenes y adultos, trabajadores y personas mayores.",2146.62,2155.32,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":69,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},326,"83047","Y yo estaba en el cielo, realizada, porque estaba trabajando con los padres de mis exalumnos, porque trabajaba en un distrito.",2156.52,2165.12,{"idx":2121,"utterance_id":2122,"speaker_name":69,"text":2123,"start_s":2124,"end_s":2125,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},327,"83048","en un lugar muy periférico de la región de Jaú.",2165.88,2170.48,{"idx":2127,"utterance_id":2128,"speaker_name":69,"text":2129,"start_s":2130,"end_s":2131,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},328,"83049","Es uno de los lugares más periféricos de nuestra región.",2170.76,2173.14,{"idx":2133,"utterance_id":2134,"speaker_name":69,"text":2135,"start_s":2136,"end_s":2137,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},329,"83050","Y hay una planta de caña de azúcar, 'açúcar-leira', lo digo así, algo así.",2174,2180.34,{"idx":2139,"utterance_id":2140,"speaker_name":69,"text":2141,"start_s":2142,"end_s":2143,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},330,"83051","Y vivíamos allí en el humo y en las cenizas de esa planta.",2181.38,2184.96,{"idx":2145,"utterance_id":2146,"speaker_name":69,"text":2147,"start_s":2148,"end_s":2149,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},331,"83052","Y la escuela quedaba toda gris, y a veces toda negra, en fin.",2185.5,2189.02,{"idx":2151,"utterance_id":2152,"speaker_name":69,"text":2153,"start_s":2154,"end_s":2155,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},332,"83053","Y a veces olía mal, y otras veces olía a jugo de caña.",2189.58,2192.12,{"idx":2157,"utterance_id":2158,"speaker_name":69,"text":2159,"start_s":2160,"end_s":2161,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},333,"83054","Cuando fui al CEJA, los padres de mis alumnos, que eran del distrito, decían que habían dejado de estudiar porque tenían que trabajar.",2194.54,2204.54,{"idx":2163,"utterance_id":2164,"speaker_name":69,"text":2165,"start_s":2166,"end_s":2167,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},334,"83055","Y cuando yo estaba en la escuela regular, mis alumnos de secundaria también dejaban de estudiar porque tenían que trabajar.",2204.58,2211.68,{"idx":2169,"utterance_id":2170,"speaker_name":69,"text":2171,"start_s":2172,"end_s":2173,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},335,"83056","Y luego, al año siguiente, algunos de mis alumnos que habían sido alumnos de la regular estaban en el CEJA.",2212.76,2218.8,{"idx":2175,"utterance_id":2176,"speaker_name":69,"text":2177,"start_s":2178,"end_s":2179,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},336,"83057","Pero entonces vino este desgoverno.",2219.86,2222.64,{"idx":2181,"utterance_id":2182,"speaker_name":69,"text":2183,"start_s":2184,"end_s":2185,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2186,"target_proposition":2187,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":2188,"indexable":244},337,"83058","de ese desmandato de Tarcísio de Freitas, y él redujo el módulo del CEJA.",2223.84,2230.92,"fe6bbac6-5bde-4f8b-8d3b-daf2f234e553","mantener y ampliar la oferta de educación de jóvenes y adultos (EJA)","critica la reducción del módulo del EJA por el gobierno anterior y defiende restablecerlo.",{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":69,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},338,"83059","¿Módulo?",2232.6,2233.06,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":69,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},339,"83060","Éramos cinco en la clase de lenguajes, y nos quedamos solo dos.",2234.14,2241.12,{"idx":2202,"utterance_id":2203,"speaker_name":69,"text":2204,"start_s":2205,"end_s":2206,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},340,"83061","Y entonces ya no cabíamos más, porque yo era reciente en el centro.",2241.98,2245.76,{"idx":2208,"utterance_id":2209,"speaker_name":69,"text":2210,"start_s":2211,"end_s":2212,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},341,"83062","Se quedaron las dos más veteranas, por cuestiones éticas del trabajo.",2246.44,2252.4,{"idx":2214,"utterance_id":2215,"speaker_name":69,"text":2216,"start_s":2217,"end_s":2218,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},342,"83063","Y me quedé sin trabajo.",2253.42,2255.62,{"idx":2220,"utterance_id":2221,"speaker_name":69,"text":2222,"start_s":2223,"end_s":2224,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},343,"83064","Entonces, PA.",2257.22,2260.02,{"idx":2226,"utterance_id":2227,"speaker_name":69,"text":2228,"start_s":2229,"end_s":2230,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},344,"83065","Hablemos de profesor auxiliar ahora.",2260.84,2262.64,{"idx":2232,"utterance_id":2233,"speaker_name":69,"text":2234,"start_s":2235,"end_s":2236,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},345,"83066","Fui a dar clase para auxiliar a un alumno TEA.",2265.46,2270.8,{"idx":2238,"utterance_id":2239,"speaker_name":69,"text":2240,"start_s":2241,"end_s":2242,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},346,"83067","Apoyo, creo, uno que era un poco más ligero.",2272.16,2276.52,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":69,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},347,"83068","Y todo iba bien, hasta que llegó el examen del Provão Paulista.",2277.76,2282,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":69,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},348,"83069","Que en la secundaria es más bien seriado, ¿sabes?",2283.16,2286.18,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":69,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":307,"indexable":74},349,"83070","acumula las notas, luego consigue becas; hasta hace poco, en nuestras universidades estatales los estudiantes también estaban en lucha, en huelga, porque no había profesores, porque no había recursos, por el comedor universitario (bandejão) y todo eso.",2286.8,2301.52,{"idx":2262,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":69,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":335,"indexable":74},350,"83071","No se puede incentivar mucho a nuestro alumno de secundaria a querer ir a la Unicamp hoy, a querer ir a la USP, por culpa de esas huelgas que hubo, esas invasiones violentas dentro de la universidad, hace menos de dos meses.",2303.4,2315.8,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":69,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2273,"target_proposition":2274,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":2275,"indexable":244},351,"83072","Mi alumno estuvo dos días haciendo el examen, y la prueba no vino adaptada para él.",2317.8,2322.56,"f038c304-2b7d-4893-87e5-e87a6ed5c27d","adaptar evaluaciones para alumnos con necesidades educativas específicas","relata que la prueba no vino adaptada para un alumno TEA, exigiendo adaptación.",{"idx":2277,"utterance_id":2278,"speaker_name":69,"text":2279,"start_s":2280,"end_s":2281,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},352,"83073","No vino una prueba para TEA, vino una prueba normal, con todas esas preguntas masivas, pesadas, complejas.",2323.88,2332.12,{"idx":2283,"utterance_id":2284,"speaker_name":69,"text":2285,"start_s":2286,"end_s":2287,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},353,"83074","Y mi alumno es muy inteligente, tenía mucha autonomía.",2333.02,2335.34,{"idx":2289,"utterance_id":2290,"speaker_name":69,"text":2291,"start_s":2292,"end_s":2293,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},354,"83075","Y él hizo los dos días.",2335.66,2336.68,{"idx":2295,"utterance_id":2296,"speaker_name":69,"text":2297,"start_s":2298,"end_s":2299,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},355,"83076","Pero él entró en estado de inercia.",2337.44,2339,{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":69,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},356,"83077","Porque la batería social del autista es reducida, dependiendo del cuadro en que esté.",2340.56,2346.54,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":69,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},357,"83078","Y entonces fue al psiquiatra y el médico le dio 90 días de licencia médica y yo perdí mi empleo.",2347.92,2354.18,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":69,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},358,"83079","Otra vez.",2355.28,2355.74,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":69,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},359,"83080","Porque lo que rige nuestras vidas hoy en el Estado son resoluciones.",2357.86,2361.98,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":69,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},360,"83081","Categoría O. Yo soy categoría O.",2362.58,2364.18,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":69,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},361,"83082","A pesar de ser remanescente de concurso.",2364.64,2366.62,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":69,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},362,"83083","Fui clasificada, muy bien puntuada en 2023.",2368.06,2370.88,{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":69,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},363,"83084","Pero luego viene PSS, PSS este año no lo voy a hacer.",2372.1,2375.2,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":69,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},364,"83085","El año pasado hice PND.",2376.1,2377.2,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":69,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},365,"83086","El año pasado hice PSS PEB1, porque también soy pedagoga.",2378.76,2383.16,{"idx":2361,"utterance_id":2362,"speaker_name":69,"text":2363,"start_s":2364,"end_s":2365,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},366,"83087","Y en el año 2023 había hecho el concurso.",2384.26,2388.18,{"idx":2367,"utterance_id":2368,"speaker_name":69,"text":2369,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},367,"83088","Aprobé, me incorporé, quedé en la D, en la que trabajo, en Jaú.",2388.24,2392.48,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":69,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},368,"83089","Soy la 13ª profesora de arte.",2393,2395.3,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":69,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},369,"83090","Quedé en el 13.º lugar.",2396.2,2397.38,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":69,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},370,"83091","Y me vi sin clase.",2398.74,2401.8,{"idx":2391,"utterance_id":2392,"speaker_name":69,"text":2393,"start_s":2394,"end_s":2395,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},371,"83092","Entonces, fui invitada a la PEI.",2402.98,2405.82,{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":69,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},372,"83093","Me dijeron: mira, hay una vacante, es una escuela buena, puedes ir.",2408.14,2412.68,{"idx":2403,"utterance_id":2404,"speaker_name":69,"text":2405,"start_s":2406,"end_s":2407,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},373,"83094","Y yo fui.",2412.96,2413.3,{"idx":2409,"utterance_id":2410,"speaker_name":69,"text":2411,"start_s":2412,"end_s":2413,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},374,"83095","Y además había esa opción de aceptar un PA cerca de mi casa.",2414.64,2417.66,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":69,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},375,"83096","Dije: no, voy al PEI, porque tengo más alumnos.",2417.7,2420.48,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":69,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},376,"83097","Ahí puedo trabajar más.",2421.28,2423.04,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":69,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},377,"83098","Iba a tener tres alumnos, y los cambié por 300.",2423.8,2425.78,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":69,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},378,"83099","Y esa soy yo.",2425.86,2428,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":69,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},379,"83100","Y por eso vine a parar aquí hoy.",2429.42,2431.34,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":69,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},380,"83101","Y creo que no se puede; si no tomamos algún tipo de medida ahora, después será imposible, porque no vamos a aguantar cuatro años más de este tipo de tecnicismo, tecnocrático.",2431.48,2445.78,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":69,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":295,"indexable":74},381,"83102","Tienes que entrar en un aula, tienes que ser técnico con el alumno, que solo puede ir al baño en la segunda y en la quinta hora, del día, de nueve horas de clase.",2446.4,2456.54,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":69,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},382,"83103","Y tienes que preguntar así: ¿es muy urgente?",2459.16,2461.54,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":69,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},383,"83104","¿Por qué no puedes ir?",2461.84,2462.94,{"idx":413,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":69,"text":1183,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},"83105",2463.02,2463.28,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":69,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},385,"83106","Porque no hay RH.",2463.68,2464.18,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":69,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},386,"83107","El alumno sale del aula y no hay nadie afuera para ayudar.",2465.02,2468.22,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":69,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},387,"83108","Y el baño es donde todo ocurre.",2468.64,2470.1,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":69,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},388,"83109","Son jóvenes, son niños.",2470.16,2472.28,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":69,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},389,"83110","No tienen tanta autonomía así.",2474.36,2476.16,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":69,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},390,"83111","Y realmente no hay RH.",2477.12,2478.22,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":69,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},391,"83112","Ahí es donde todo pasa.",2479.3,2480.34,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":69,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},392,"83113","Y queda una personita, a veces, sola en el patio, cuando hay una persona, que es un agente escolar.",2480.5,2485.34,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":69,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},393,"83114","Y, para empeorar, el PA... ahora va a convertirse en agente escolar.",2485.92,2493.88,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":69,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2532,"target_proposition":2533,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":2534,"indexable":244},394,"83115","Tiene unas ideas locas de poner agentes escolares para cuidar a alumnos que tienen discapacidad, que son alumnos PCD.",2493.92,2506,"4d0097dd-6324-4e82-8838-25be4db48868","sustituir profesores especializados por profesionales sin formación","critica la idea de 'colocar agente escolar' en lugar de profesionales especializados.",{"idx":2536,"utterance_id":2537,"speaker_name":69,"text":2538,"start_s":2539,"end_s":2540,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},395,"83116","Entonces, ¿qué sentido tiene que nuestros profesores se conviertan en especialistas?",2506.06,2513.08,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":69,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},396,"83117","¿Qué sentido tiene que yo haga una especialización?",2513.12,2515.78,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":69,"text":2550,"start_s":2551,"end_s":2552,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},397,"83118","¿Para después matar cerdos y vender salchichas en la carnicería?",2516.8,2519.88,{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":69,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},398,"83119","Solo si es eso.",2520.72,2521.16,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":69,"text":2562,"start_s":2563,"end_s":2564,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},399,"83120","Tendré que hacer una especialización en carnicería, no sé.",2522.46,2526.34,{"idx":2566,"utterance_id":2567,"speaker_name":69,"text":2568,"start_s":2569,"end_s":2570,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},400,"83121","Entonces, hay dos cosas a las que no les tengo miedo.",2528.24,2531.3,{"idx":2572,"utterance_id":2573,"speaker_name":69,"text":2574,"start_s":2575,"end_s":2576,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},401,"83122","Vivir y dar clases.",2531.94,2534.06,{"idx":2578,"utterance_id":2579,"speaker_name":69,"text":2580,"start_s":2581,"end_s":2582,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},402,"83123","Porque dar clases es mi sustento.",2534.5,2535.86,{"idx":2584,"utterance_id":2585,"speaker_name":69,"text":2586,"start_s":2587,"end_s":2588,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},403,"83124","Y en este momento que estoy viviendo, fui la única que logró llegar hasta aquí.",2537.58,2543.68,{"idx":2590,"utterance_id":2591,"speaker_name":69,"text":2592,"start_s":2593,"end_s":2594,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},404,"83125","Porque nadie quería.",2543.72,2544.74,{"idx":2596,"utterance_id":2597,"speaker_name":69,"text":2598,"start_s":2599,"end_s":2600,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},405,"83126","Tienen miedo de que el contrato, o sea, sea cancelado.",2545.68,2547.64,{"idx":2602,"utterance_id":2603,"speaker_name":69,"text":2604,"start_s":2605,"end_s":2606,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},406,"83127","Y otra vez, cada año se termina de todas formas.",2547.68,2549.64,{"idx":2608,"utterance_id":2609,"speaker_name":69,"text":2610,"start_s":2611,"end_s":2612,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},407,"83128","Y para empeorar la condición del PA... porque necesitábamos tener un vínculo con el alumno, que es PCD.",2550.36,2556.64,{"idx":2614,"utterance_id":2615,"speaker_name":69,"text":2616,"start_s":2617,"end_s":2618,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":2619,"target_proposition":2620,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":2621,"rationale":2622,"indexable":74},408,"83129","El contrato es de seis meses.",2558.06,2559.84,"ffedfee5-ad4b-4006-869d-f95b3e106bd4","efectivar la contratación de docentes por concurso público con vínculo estable",0.76,"menciona contratos de seis meses y pérdida de plazas, criticando la precariedad.",{"idx":2624,"utterance_id":2625,"speaker_name":69,"text":2626,"start_s":2627,"end_s":2628,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},409,"83130","No se puede decir, Haddad, nosotros como humanos, y yo como profesora formada en códigos y lenguajes, no consigo imaginar un adjetivo que encaje con la resolución.",2562.6,2576.62,{"idx":2630,"utterance_id":2631,"speaker_name":69,"text":2632,"start_s":2633,"end_s":2634,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},410,"83131","¿De dónde sale esa resolución?",2578.26,2579.76,{"idx":2636,"utterance_id":2637,"speaker_name":69,"text":2638,"start_s":2639,"end_s":2640,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},411,"83132","¿Quién consigue apreciar esa resolución y permitir, por lo menos, esa 13 de 1 de 2026?",2581.72,2588.1,{"idx":2642,"utterance_id":2643,"speaker_name":69,"text":2644,"start_s":2645,"end_s":2646,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},412,"83133","Me quedo aquí con esa cuestión para todos y todas que conocen a dada de gobernador de São Paulo.",2588.8,2597.22,{"idx":2648,"utterance_id":2649,"speaker_name":69,"text":2650,"start_s":2651,"end_s":2652,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},413,"83134","Primera vuelta, sin segunda vuelta.",2597.76,2600.06,{"idx":2654,"utterance_id":2655,"speaker_name":69,"text":2656,"start_s":2657,"end_s":2658,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},414,"83135","Sabrina, quiero agradecer aquí tu intervención.",2608.28,2610.7,{"idx":2660,"utterance_id":2661,"speaker_name":69,"text":2662,"start_s":2663,"end_s":2664,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},415,"83136","Traes cosas muy importantes que son, en primer lugar, la valorización del profesional, del docente, y una cuestión muy importante que es la accesibilidad.",2610.76,2622,{"idx":2666,"utterance_id":2667,"speaker_name":69,"text":2668,"start_s":2669,"end_s":2670,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},416,"83137","Soy madre de un niño autista y eso me preocupa personalmente.",2622.24,2626.26,{"idx":2672,"utterance_id":2673,"speaker_name":69,"text":2674,"start_s":2675,"end_s":2676,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},417,"83138","¿Cómo va a ser?",2626.9,2627.74,{"idx":2678,"utterance_id":2679,"speaker_name":69,"text":2680,"start_s":2681,"end_s":2682,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},418,"83139","E imagino que otras madres, otros padres de niños autistas que lleguen al ámbito de la educación estatal también tengan esa preocupación.",2628.04,2638.32,{"idx":2684,"utterance_id":2685,"speaker_name":69,"text":2686,"start_s":2687,"end_s":2688,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},419,"83140","Realmente es muy importante escuchar tu intervención.",2638.88,2641.14,{"idx":2690,"utterance_id":2691,"speaker_name":69,"text":2692,"start_s":2693,"end_s":2694,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},420,"83141","Voy a pasar la palabra ahora a Luciana Alves y a André Luiz Martins, de Franca.",2642.44,2648.98,{"idx":2696,"utterance_id":2697,"speaker_name":69,"text":2698,"start_s":2699,"end_s":2700,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},421,"83142","Buenos días a todas y a todos.",2651.72,2653.58,{"idx":2702,"utterance_id":2703,"speaker_name":69,"text":2704,"start_s":2705,"end_s":2706,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},422,"83143","Soy Luciana, resido en Franca.",2654.38,2656.58,{"idx":2708,"utterance_id":2709,"speaker_name":69,"text":2710,"start_s":2711,"end_s":2712,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},423,"83144","Soy madre de André.",2657.26,2657.96,{"idx":2714,"utterance_id":2715,"speaker_name":69,"text":2716,"start_s":2717,"end_s":2718,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},424,"83145","autista, nivel 1 de soporte, surduralizado, alumno del ensino médio de la red estadual paulista.",2659.02,2667.94,{"idx":2720,"utterance_id":2721,"speaker_name":69,"text":2722,"start_s":2723,"end_s":2724,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},425,"83146","Estoy aquí para contar que André estudiaba desde niño en una escuela particular y nosotros tuvimos, a partir de cierto momento, muchas dificultades con respecto a la inclusión.",2669.06,2682.1,{"idx":2726,"utterance_id":2727,"speaker_name":69,"text":2728,"start_s":2729,"end_s":2730,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},426,"83147","Entonces, optamos por colocarlo en la red estatal de enseñanza.",2683.26,2687.28,{"idx":2732,"utterance_id":2733,"speaker_name":69,"text":2734,"start_s":2735,"end_s":2736,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},427,"83148","que, en mi opinión, todavía es el mejor lugar para la inclusión.",2688.64,2693.08,{"idx":2738,"utterance_id":2739,"speaker_name":69,"text":2740,"start_s":2741,"end_s":2742,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},428,"83149","Sin embargo, André ingresó a mediados del año 2021 en la escuela, en séptimo grado.",2695.76,2703.96,{"idx":2744,"utterance_id":2745,"speaker_name":69,"text":2746,"start_s":2747,"end_s":2748,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},429,"83150","Y entonces, en octavo grado, tuvo un profesor interlocutor acompañándolo en el aula.",2705.02,2710.64,{"idx":2750,"utterance_id":2751,"speaker_name":69,"text":2752,"start_s":2753,"end_s":2754,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},430,"83151","Y después, en noveno grado, 2023, con la entrada del nuevo gobierno, ese profesional le fue negado.",2711.78,2719.4,{"idx":2756,"utterance_id":2757,"speaker_name":69,"text":2758,"start_s":2759,"end_s":2760,"word_count":289,"indexable":74},431,"83152","Pero entonces la escuela organizó, puso a todos los alumnos PCD y neurodivergentes en la misma aula, en la misma serie, y puso un profesor auxiliar especializado para poder asistirlos en el aula.",2720.78,2738.22,{"idx":2762,"utterance_id":2763,"speaker_name":69,"text":2764,"start_s":2765,"end_s":2766,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},432,"83153","Y así continuamos la trayectoria, André iba muy bien, y de repente Tarcísio saca una resolución.",2739.34,2748.9,{"idx":2768,"utterance_id":2769,"speaker_name":69,"text":2770,"start_s":2771,"end_s":2772,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2532,"target_proposition":2533,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":2773,"indexable":244},433,"83154","diciendo que va a sustituir a esos profesores especializados por profesionales sin formación.",2749.52,2755.46,"informa sobre una resolución que pretende sustituir a profesores especializados, en tono crítico.",{"idx":2775,"utterance_id":2776,"speaker_name":69,"text":2777,"start_s":2778,"end_s":2779,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2780,"target_proposition":2781,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":2782,"indexable":244},434,"83155","Quería tercerizar ese servicio, contratando personas provenientes del ensino médio con 80 horas de curso para atender a nuestros hijos, PCD y neurodivergentes.",2756.78,2767.66,"b08eb988-77b6-4f86-be77-54524ac02e1f","garantizar la contratación y la permanencia de profesores especializados para la educación especial","critica la tercerización y la contratación de personal sin formación para la educación especial.",{"idx":2784,"utterance_id":2785,"speaker_name":69,"text":2786,"start_s":2787,"end_s":2788,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},435,"83156","Entonces quedamos apavorados, como familias atípicas, realmente sufriendo.",2769.02,2774.2,{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":69,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2795,"target_proposition":2796,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":2797,"indexable":244},436,"83157","porque, como la profesora bien dijo, esos niños, adolescentes, necesitan ese vínculo con esos profesionales, con esos profesores, y tienen derecho a ese acompañamiento pedagógico.",2774.8,2789.24,"ff98c28c-8023-488a-943f-78ac23271ba2","garantizar atención pedagógica especializada para alumnos con discapacidad","afirma que los alumnos tienen derecho a un vínculo pedagógico especializado.",{"idx":2799,"utterance_id":2800,"speaker_name":69,"text":2801,"start_s":2802,"end_s":2803,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2780,"target_proposition":2781,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":2032,"rationale":2804,"indexable":244},437,"83158","Entonces, necesitamos que sean profesores especializados, porque un profesor titular en un aula no va a poder con 40 alumnos, 35 alumnos, y además adaptar el material... para poder hacer esa inclusión con el alumno de educación especial.",2789.84,2809.4,"declara explícitamente que 'precisamos que sejam professores especializados'.",{"idx":2806,"utterance_id":2807,"speaker_name":69,"text":2808,"start_s":2809,"end_s":2810,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2811,"target_proposition":2812,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":2813,"indexable":244},438,"83159","Entonces, por ejemplo, están estudiando la Revolución Rusa, tienen derecho a estudiar la Revolución Rusa, cada uno a la medida y en el punto que puede llegar.",2809.74,2820.44,"fe7fab73-271d-4013-aedf-41a5c77a01dd","asegurar el acceso al currículo adaptado para estudiantes con discapacidad","defiende el derecho de cada alumno a acceder al contenido según su capacidad.",{"idx":2815,"utterance_id":2816,"speaker_name":69,"text":2817,"start_s":2818,"end_s":2819,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},439,"83160","Pero es un derecho para que ellos estén insertos, se sientan, pertenezcan a ese ambiente escolar.",2821.22,2826.78,{"idx":2821,"utterance_id":2822,"speaker_name":69,"text":2823,"start_s":2824,"end_s":2825,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},440,"83161","Entonces, nosotros, familias atípicas de Franca, nos reunimos, algunas madres.",2828.22,2833.4,{"idx":2827,"utterance_id":2828,"speaker_name":69,"text":2829,"start_s":2830,"end_s":2831,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},441,"83162","Y empezamos a conversar sobre eso, dijimos: vamos a necesitar tomar una medida.",2834.06,2838.88,{"idx":2833,"utterance_id":2834,"speaker_name":69,"text":2835,"start_s":2836,"end_s":2837,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},442,"83163","Y así, de forma orgánica, por medio de las redes, terminamos llegando a más de 30 ciudades de São Paulo.",2840.14,2845.94,{"idx":2839,"utterance_id":2840,"speaker_name":69,"text":2841,"start_s":2842,"end_s":2843,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2844,"target_proposition":2845,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":2846,"indexable":244},443,"83164","Hoy somos el Movimiento en Defensa de la Educación Especial, que está en diversas ciudades, y estamos conversando sobre cómo podemos enfrentar esas dificultades que el actual gobierno nos viene trayendo.",2846.6,2861.8,"5b702641-f538-4aae-b331-1f5013bd21b7","implementar políticas públicas de educación inclusiva para alumnos con discapacidad","habla de enfrentar las dificultades traídas por el gobierno actual y aboga por políticas inclusivas.",{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":69,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},444,"83165","Entonces, ya hicimos caminatas, ya hicimos peticiones, ya fuimos a Seduc, ya hicimos muchos movimientos para poder alcanzar nuestro objetivo.",2862.72,2878.18,{"idx":2854,"utterance_id":2855,"speaker_name":69,"text":2856,"start_s":2857,"end_s":2858,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2844,"target_proposition":2845,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":2859,"indexable":244},445,"83166","Pero este gobierno no nos mira, no dialoga con nosotros.",2878.26,2883.2,"denuncia la falta de diálogo del gobierno y reclama atención a las familias.",{"idx":2861,"utterance_id":2862,"speaker_name":69,"text":2863,"start_s":2864,"end_s":2865,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2844,"target_proposition":2845,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":2866,"indexable":244},446,"83167","Lamentablemente, quiere invisibilizar a esos alumnos de la educación especial.",2884.84,2890.38,"acusa al gobierno de invisibilizar a los alumnos y exige inclusión.",{"idx":2868,"utterance_id":2869,"speaker_name":69,"text":2870,"start_s":2871,"end_s":2872,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2873,"target_proposition":2874,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":2875,"indexable":244},447,"83168","Esto es muy triste, porque el Estado de São Paulo estaba alcanzando un progreso en ese sentido, y ahora ha retrocedido mucho.",2891.26,2902.32,"b8bc7349-1f20-461f-bb66-ba7e104df2f6","retomar y fortalecer políticas públicas de inclusión en la educación especial","señala un retroceso del Estado e implícitamente la necesidad de retomar políticas.",{"idx":2877,"utterance_id":2878,"speaker_name":69,"text":2879,"start_s":2880,"end_s":2881,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},448,"83169","Él, por fin, no lo consiguió, la justicia le impidió sustituir a esos profesores por ese tercerizado que iba a privatizar.",2903.14,2912.74,{"idx":2883,"utterance_id":2884,"speaker_name":69,"text":2885,"start_s":2886,"end_s":2887,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},449,"83170","Pero él no desistió.",2913.88,2914.92,{"idx":2889,"utterance_id":2890,"speaker_name":69,"text":2891,"start_s":2892,"end_s":2893,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2780,"target_proposition":2781,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":2894,"indexable":244},450,"83171","Él quiere a toda costa, y en algunos lugares llegó a sustituir profesores y puso cuidadores.",2915.88,2922.46,"critica la sustitución de profesores por cuidadores y reclama profesores especializados.",{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":69,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2901,"target_proposition":2902,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":2903,"indexable":244},451,"83172","No es que prescindamos de los cuidadores, que quede claro.",2922.92,2927.74,"34e0d63c-3613-47a3-8492-aa979cfcd478","asegurar equipo escolar con docentes especializados y cuidadores para educación especial","reconoce la importancia de los cuidadores, pero exige profesores para la parte pedagógica.",{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":69,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},452,"83173","Los cuidadores también son muy importantes en el entorno escolar.",2927.92,2931.04,{"idx":2911,"utterance_id":2912,"speaker_name":69,"text":2913,"start_s":2914,"end_s":2915,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},453,"83174","Para esos niños que necesitan cuidados, para ir al baño, para alimentarse, para todo eso.",2931.42,2939.34,{"idx":2917,"utterance_id":2918,"speaker_name":69,"text":2919,"start_s":2920,"end_s":2921,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},454,"83175","Pero ellos no pueden hacer ese puente pedagógico que solo el profesor... es capaz de hacer.",2939.74,2946.36,{"idx":2923,"utterance_id":2924,"speaker_name":69,"text":2925,"start_s":2926,"end_s":2927,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},455,"83176","Y además no tienen condiciones de trabajar la cuestión conductual.",2946.9,2951.06,{"idx":2929,"utterance_id":2930,"speaker_name":69,"text":2931,"start_s":2932,"end_s":2933,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},456,"83177","Es un ambiente ruidoso, como ya lo dijo una profesora aquí.",2951.74,2955.14,{"idx":2935,"utterance_id":2936,"speaker_name":69,"text":2937,"start_s":2938,"end_s":2939,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},457,"83178","Y ahí el autista se siente incómodo.",2955.9,2960.34,{"idx":2941,"utterance_id":2942,"speaker_name":69,"text":2943,"start_s":2944,"end_s":2945,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},458,"83179","A veces necesita salir un poco del aula.",2960.72,2963.56,{"idx":2947,"utterance_id":2948,"speaker_name":69,"text":2949,"start_s":2950,"end_s":2951,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},459,"83180","Necesita respirar para evitar una crisis, para poder regresar a ese ambiente.",2964.38,2970.78,{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":69,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},460,"83181","Entonces, sufrimos mucho.",2971.24,2974.26,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":69,"text":2961,"start_s":2962,"end_s":2963,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2964,"target_proposition":2965,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":2966,"indexable":244},461,"83182","Y, como si la maldad no tuviera fin, él decidió que esos contratos se renueven cada seis meses.",2975.8,2985.74,"a47f7995-f60e-4083-8719-f3ce7e316a47","estabilizar vínculos mediante contratos permanentes para profesionales de la educación especial","critica la renovación semestral de contratos y reivindica un vínculo laboral estable.",{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":69,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},462,"83183","Entonces, esa cuestión del vínculo ya no existe más.",2987.02,2990.7,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":69,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":307,"indexable":74},463,"83184","Cada seis meses hace una nueva asignación, a nuestro parecer, a familias atípicas, para poder... No funciona el profesor especializado en el aula, porque cada vez que se rompe ese vínculo, nuestros hijos tienen crisis.",2991.76,3007.76,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":69,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},464,"83185","Tengo un niño de Peruíbe que dejó la escuela.",3008.5,3014.84,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":69,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},465,"83186","La familia ya está en situación de vulnerabilidad.",3015.92,3019.16,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":69,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},466,"83187","El niño no vuelve a la escuela, no logró regresar.",3019.66,3023.16,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":69,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},467,"83188","con el cambio de ese profesor.",3023.86,3025.38,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":69,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},468,"83189","Es decir, eso deja a la familia en una situación aún más vulnerable.",3025.76,3029.4,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":69,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},469,"83190","Tengo un niño de Assis que se escapó de la escuela.",3030.12,3032.98,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":69,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},470,"83191","Llegó, no encontró al profesor especializado, salió corriendo y se fugó de la escuela.",3033.68,3038.76,{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":69,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},471,"83192","Fue un alboroto.",3040.02,3040.52,{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":69,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},472,"83193","Y tengo un niño de Franca, que tiene TEA y TOC, y TOD, tiene diagnóstico de TEA y TOD, y intentó quitarse la vida.",3040.62,3051.86,{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":69,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},473,"83194","Entonces, gente, es algo muy serio lo que está pasando en nuestro estado.",3052.84,3058.22,{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":69,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},474,"83195","Esa falta de mirada.",3058.94,3060.22,{"idx":3046,"utterance_id":3047,"speaker_name":69,"text":3048,"start_s":3049,"end_s":3050,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3051,"target_proposition":3052,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":3053,"indexable":244},475,"83196","hacia las personas con discapacidad, hacia los alumnos con discapacidad, hacia los alumnos neurodivergentes, hacia las familias, esa falta de escucha.",3060.54,3068.3,"ecee4354-5208-433c-b127-d5e44de97c34","garantizar la participación de las familias en la formulación de políticas de educación especial","denuncia la falta de escucha a las familias y pide su inclusión en las decisiones.",{"idx":3055,"utterance_id":3056,"speaker_name":69,"text":3057,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},476,"83197","Agradezco muchísimo la oportunidad de estar aquí y de ser escuchada y de poder hablar en nombre de esas familias sobre cuánto estamos sufriendo y lo apreensivos que estamos.",3068.72,3078.28,{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":69,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3066,"target_proposition":3067,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":3068,"indexable":244},477,"83198","Deseamos un gobierno que mire de forma humanizada a esos niños, que crea en la inclusión, que crea que sí son capaces de aprender.",3078.76,3089.88,"cca2b796-875c-40e0-9483-b5a70223c8e6","implementar políticas públicas humanizadas de educación inclusiva para alumnos con discapacidad","pide al gobierno que mire humanamente y crea en la inclusión.",{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":69,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},478,"83199","Nosotros, madres y padres atípicos, soñamos con nuestros hijos adultos, autónomos, que tengan la posibilidad de tomar sus propias decisiones.",3090.64,3100.7,{"idx":3076,"utterance_id":3077,"speaker_name":69,"text":3078,"start_s":3079,"end_s":3080,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},479,"83200","Y la escuela es fundamental en esa construcción.",3101.36,3104.44,{"idx":3082,"utterance_id":3083,"speaker_name":69,"text":3084,"start_s":3085,"end_s":3086,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},480,"83201","Y, por último, quiero decir que solo creo que una sociedad será, de hecho, inclusiva.",3105.76,3112.92,{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":69,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":380,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3093,"target_proposition":3094,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":3095,"indexable":244},481,"83202","totalmente inclusiva cuando la escuela sea inclusiva, cuando nuestros hijos con discapacidad (PCD), nuestros hijos neurodivergentes, cuando puedan convivir con los niños típicos y ellos tengan el privilegio de convivir con nuestros hijos y poder entender esas diferencias, porque, al fin y al cabo, todos somos diferentes.",3113.42,3139.64,"057fd181-8813-47cb-aa97-e8953f1324f4","hacer que las escuelas sean verdaderamente inclusivas para alumnos con discapacidad","defiende que la escuela inclusiva es condición para una sociedad inclusiva.",{"idx":3097,"utterance_id":3098,"speaker_name":69,"text":3099,"start_s":3100,"end_s":3101,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},482,"83203","Ninguno de nosotros es igual.",3140.3,3141.58,{"idx":3103,"utterance_id":3104,"speaker_name":69,"text":3105,"start_s":3106,"end_s":3107,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3108,"target_proposition":3109,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":3110,"indexable":244},483,"83204","No se puede tener una educación de plataforma, de diapositivas, que le quita al profesor la didáctica, que le quita al alumno el interés, que no alcanza a nadie, y mucho menos al público de la educación especial.",3141.76,3155.36,"b85e0f71-f122-40b9-ab87-e3fd81f5f66c","ofrecer cursos gratuitos de tecnología de la información y usar plataformas digitales (IA, gamificación) en la escuela","critica 'educação de plataforma' que quita la didáctica del profesor.",{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":69,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},484,"83205","Y, así, para concluir, André quiere hacer unas sugerencias, Haddad, para su gobierno, respecto al material, respecto a los cursos, ¿no es así, André?",3156.32,3166.5,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":69,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3108,"target_proposition":3109,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":3123,"indexable":244},485,"83206","Creo que el material con este nuevo gobierno de Taecísio fue como robotizado.",3167.92,3174.86,"llama al material 'robotizado' y critica la mecanización de la enseñanza.",{"idx":3125,"utterance_id":3126,"speaker_name":69,"text":3127,"start_s":3128,"end_s":3129,"word_count":289,"indexable":74},486,"83207","Porque, cuando yo estudiaba en la Educación Básica II, creo que en 2021, cuando estaba en séptimo grado, el material era formulado, elaborado por profesionales, tipo doctores, maestros de la USP, de la Unicamp, de la materia específica.",3175.48,3190.2,{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":69,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},487,"83208","Entonces, tenía enlace, URL, código QR de... obras audiovisuales, libros.",3190.64,3196.76,{"idx":3137,"utterance_id":3138,"speaker_name":69,"text":3139,"start_s":3140,"end_s":3141,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},488,"83209","Entonces, el alumno tenía interés en querer ver el tema, la materia de la escuela.",3196.84,3202.82,{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":69,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},489,"83210","Y ahora, con la llegada de las diapositivas, de las plataformas, mecanizaron todo.",3203.36,3208.14,{"idx":3149,"utterance_id":3150,"speaker_name":69,"text":3151,"start_s":3152,"end_s":3153,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},490,"83211","Y parece que tomaron el material antiguo de la USP y le aplicaron una inteligencia artificial y hicieron un revoltijo.",3208.7,3216.62,{"idx":3155,"utterance_id":3156,"speaker_name":69,"text":3157,"start_s":3158,"end_s":3159,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},491,"83212","Así que es muy mecánico.",3216.68,3218.96,{"idx":3161,"utterance_id":3162,"speaker_name":69,"text":3163,"start_s":3164,"end_s":3165,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},492,"83213","Como diría Paulo Freire, es una educación bancaria.",3219.9,3222.34,{"idx":3167,"utterance_id":3168,"speaker_name":69,"text":3169,"start_s":3170,"end_s":3171,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},493,"83214","El profesor lanza la materia al alumno, él la absorbe y entiende.",3223.06,3226.64,{"idx":3173,"utterance_id":3174,"speaker_name":69,"text":3175,"start_s":3176,"end_s":3177,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3178,"target_proposition":3179,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":2032,"rationale":3180,"indexable":244},494,"83215","Creo que el gobierno debería implementar cursos, formación para los profesores, independientemente de la categoría, para poder tratar con los alumnos de la educación especial, para promover una inclusión de verdad en las aulas.",3232.02,3246.68,"ffd2d22a-ac2b-4405-83bd-d526c6f8fb73","implementar formación continua para profesores sobre educación inclusiva","propone directamente cursos y formación para lidiar con la educación especial.",{"idx":3182,"utterance_id":3183,"speaker_name":69,"text":3184,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},495,"83216","¿Puedo hacer solo una preguntita rápida también, siguiendo el ejemplo de Haddad?",3253.86,3258.98,{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":69,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":402,"indexable":74},496,"83217","Por los testimonios que se dieron, todos muy conmovedores y, al mismo tiempo, significativos, y con los testimonios de ustedes dos ahora, una cosa que se percibe es la... la demanda por esa educación inclusiva, porque durante mucho tiempo, al inicio de esta propuesta, quedaba la idea de segregar.",3264.84,3293.46,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":69,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},497,"83218","Al ver que no podían segregar, pasaron a deformar... ¿Qué sería la educación inclusiva?",3294.78,3303.7,{"idx":3200,"utterance_id":3201,"speaker_name":69,"text":3202,"start_s":3203,"end_s":3204,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},498,"83219","Porque, de hecho, tiene una gran capacidad de respuesta cuando se ejerce.",3303.88,3309.52,{"idx":3206,"utterance_id":3207,"speaker_name":69,"text":3208,"start_s":3209,"end_s":3210,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},499,"83220","Entonces, la pregunta que hago es esa.",3309.58,3311.5,{"idx":3212,"utterance_id":3213,"speaker_name":69,"text":3214,"start_s":3215,"end_s":3216,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},500,"83221","La demanda de los padres es que continúe, aun con esa complejidad, la educación inclusiva.",3312.36,3318.98,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":69,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},501,"83222","¿Es eso correcto, Marina?",3320.28,3321.86,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":69,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},502,"83223","Creemos que la educación inclusiva, los alumnos de la educación especial deben estar en las escuelas regulares.",3321.96,3330.78,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":69,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},503,"83224","Y que, sí, fomentamos eso.",3332.48,3336.12,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":69,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},504,"83225","Por ejemplo, en nuestras acciones organizamos una visita a la Defensoría Pública e hicimos un protocolo de la Defensoría para entablar acciones y conseguir a los profesores.",3336.48,3347.38,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":69,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},505,"83226","Lamentablemente, eso está en la Ley de Directrices Básicas, está en la LBI y no se cumple por parte del Estado.",3347.84,3353.94,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":69,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},506,"83227","Conseguimos profesor especializado mediante acción judicial.",3354.28,3357.54,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":69,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},507,"83228","Y aun con la acción judicial, él quiere sustituir a los profesores por profesionales sin formación.",3358.22,3363.82,{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":69,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},508,"83229","Entonces, sí, nosotros, familias atípicas, queremos a nuestros hijos en las escuelas regulares, creemos que el Estado de São Paulo es un Estado riquísimo, tiene capacidad para proveer eso.",3364.34,3375.46,{"idx":3266,"utterance_id":3267,"speaker_name":69,"text":3268,"start_s":3269,"end_s":3270,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},509,"83230","¿Cómo podemos creer que un gobernador quite miles de millones de la educación y quiera ahorrar en la educación especial?",3376.32,3385.18,{"idx":3272,"utterance_id":3273,"speaker_name":69,"text":3274,"start_s":3275,"end_s":3276,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},510,"83231","Que es algo tan importante.",3385.92,3387.52,{"idx":3278,"utterance_id":3279,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3280,"start_s":3281,"end_s":3282,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},511,"83232","También voy a hacer una pregunta a André.",3390.74,3394.16,{"idx":3284,"utterance_id":3285,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3286,"start_s":3287,"end_s":3288,"word_count":307,"indexable":74},512,"83233","André, hace un tiempo, cuando yo estaba en el Ministerio de Educación, el presidente Lula determinó, incluso por provocación de los educadores del Ministerio, que el libro de texto, que es un programa brasileño reconocido en el mundo, reconocido en todo el mundo.",3394.8,3418.26,{"idx":3290,"utterance_id":3291,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3292,"start_s":3293,"end_s":3294,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},513,"83234","El MEC es el mayor comprador de libros del mundo.",3419.18,3422.46,{"idx":3296,"utterance_id":3297,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3298,"start_s":3299,"end_s":3300,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},514,"83235","Que se extendiera al ensino médio.",3423.92,3425.58,{"idx":3302,"utterance_id":3303,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3304,"start_s":3305,"end_s":3306,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},515,"83236","Entonces, los alumnos de la educación secundaria empezaron a recibir toda la colección didáctica de todas las materias, para primero, segundo y tercer año.",3426,3433.86,{"idx":3308,"utterance_id":3309,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3310,"start_s":3311,"end_s":3312,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},516,"83237","¿Esos materiales ya no llegan más a las escuelas?",3434.72,3437.36,{"idx":3314,"utterance_id":3315,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3316,"start_s":3317,"end_s":3318,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},517,"83238","¿Es solo vía plataforma, diapositivas?",3437.5,3440.1,{"idx":3320,"utterance_id":3321,"speaker_name":69,"text":3322,"start_s":3323,"end_s":3324,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3325,"target_proposition":3326,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":3327,"indexable":244},518,"83239","Creo que algunos materiales físicos, pero no al 100%.",3440.16,3445.8,"e0818c4e-862d-410b-9b0e-c51cbd1066f2","proveer material didáctico impreso del PNLD para la educación secundaria","relata que parte del material físico aún existe, la mayoría migró en línea.",{"idx":3329,"utterance_id":3330,"speaker_name":69,"text":3331,"start_s":3332,"end_s":3333,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},519,"83240","La mayoría está migrando más al formato en línea.",3446.18,3448.42,{"idx":3335,"utterance_id":3336,"speaker_name":69,"text":3337,"start_s":3338,"end_s":3339,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},520,"83241","Hay pocos de esos materiales físicos que se repiten por año: recibes el material y puedes usarlo durante el año, pasa de alumno en alumno.",3449.36,3457.22,{"idx":586,"utterance_id":3341,"speaker_name":69,"text":3342,"start_s":3343,"end_s":3344,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},"83242","Los libros escolares, la lectura, la biblioteca están bastante desactualizados últimamente.",3459.72,3466.62,{"idx":3346,"utterance_id":3347,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3348,"start_s":3349,"end_s":3350,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},522,"83243","¿Quiere decir que eso que recordabas de los libros de texto que mencionaste ya no es más un material...?",3468.54,3474.64,{"idx":3352,"utterance_id":3353,"speaker_name":69,"text":3354,"start_s":3355,"end_s":3356,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},523,"83244","No es el Curriculação, que es el nombre del material, ya no está disponible.",3475.54,3480.04,{"idx":3358,"utterance_id":3359,"speaker_name":69,"text":3360,"start_s":3361,"end_s":3362,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},524,"83245","Solo está, porque yo tenía de años anteriores, y ahora está el libro del estudiante.",3480.56,3486.24,{"idx":3364,"utterance_id":3365,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3366,"start_s":3367,"end_s":3368,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},525,"83246","Ahora, su testimonio es muy relevante para nosotros aquí.",3487.52,3491.3,{"idx":3370,"utterance_id":3371,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3372,"start_s":3373,"end_s":3374,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},526,"83247","Es muy importante que traigan nuestro conocimiento.",3491.88,3494.98,{"idx":3376,"utterance_id":3377,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1402,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},527,"83248",3495.64,3496.04,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":69,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},528,"83249","Estimada Haddad, quiero hacer aquí solo un apunte sobre la cuestión de las plataformas digitales.",3503.54,3508.82,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":69,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},529,"83250","El PNLD... que es el Programa Nacional de Libro Didáctico.",3510.68,3514.16,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":69,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},530,"83251","Es un programa muy importante, con excelentes autores.",3515.32,3519.7,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":69,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},531,"83252","Yo tenía un libro del año pasado, olvidé el nombre de la editorial, formulado por Leandro Karnal y Cortella.",3519.8,3528,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":69,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},532,"83253","¿Pero puedo usarlo?",3530.4,3531.4,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":69,"text":1023,"start_s":3413,"end_s":3414,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},533,"83254",3532.62,3532.82,{"idx":3416,"utterance_id":3417,"speaker_name":69,"text":3418,"start_s":3419,"end_s":3420,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},534,"83255","Se distribuye a los alumnos.",3533.62,3535.26,{"idx":3422,"utterance_id":3423,"speaker_name":69,"text":3424,"start_s":3425,"end_s":3426,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},535,"83256","Tengo que impartir lo que está en la plataforma.",3535.4,3538.1,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":69,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"83257","La prueba paulista se basa... en las diapositivas, en las plataformas, en el otro programa que se llama Tarefas.",3539.26,3550.4,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":69,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},537,"83258","Cada uno de los programas de los que te hablo",3550.76,3552.78,{"idx":3439,"utterance_id":3440,"speaker_name":69,"text":3441,"start_s":3442,"end_s":3443,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},538,"83259","costó millones al implantarse.",3553.62,3555.06,{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":69,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},539,"83260","Es plataforma: Multiplique, Matifique, Speak, Elefante Letrado, entre otros.",3555.98,3561.5,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":69,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},540,"83261","Todas y cada una de esas plataformas digitales costaron millones.",3563.18,3566.86,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":69,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},541,"83262","Y no puedo aplicar, como dije al inicio de mi intervención.",3567.78,3570.52,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":69,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},542,"83263","No puedo aplicar lo que aprendí en la facultad, mi experiencia, mi vivencia.",3571.44,3576.28,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":69,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},543,"83264","No se puede.",3576.46,3576.94,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":69,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},544,"83265","Es lo que André acaba de citar.",3577.82,3580.12,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":69,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":117,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3108,"target_proposition":3109,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":3486,"indexable":74},545,"83266","Así que pienso que es un error enorme.",3581.6,3584.84,"declara explícitamente que el uso de plataformas es 'um grandíssimo erro'.",{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":69,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},546,"83267","Y, si no lo haces, quedas registrado si accediste o no accediste.",3585.6,3593.8,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":69,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},547,"83268","Y si los alumnos accedieron.",3594.62,3596.14,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":69,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},548,"83269","De lo contrario, no induciste a los alumnos a acceder, a responder.",3596.58,3601.02,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":69,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},549,"83270","Tú eres quien paga el pato.",3601.62,3602.78,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":69,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},550,"83271","¿Entendiste?",3605.12,3605.5,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":69,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},551,"83272","Bueno, quiero agradecer aquí la intervención de Luciana y de André.",3611.3,3614.7,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":69,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},552,"83273","Muchas gracias por compartir su historia.",3615.04,3618.3,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":69,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},553,"83274","Me siento personalmente conmovida por ser también una madre atípica.",3618.4,3622.42,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":69,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},554,"83275","Mi pequeño todavía tiene siete años, pero espero que sea tan inteligente como tú, André.",3623.4,3629.62,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},555,"83276",3630.4,3631.66,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":69,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},556,"83277","Voy a dar la palabra ahora... a nuestra próxima invitada, que es Rosana dos Santos, de São Paulo.",3636.84,3643.1,{"idx":3553,"utterance_id":3554,"speaker_name":69,"text":3555,"start_s":3556,"end_s":3557,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},557,"83278","Gente, buenos días o buenas tardes ya, ¿no?",3644.54,3647.22,{"idx":3559,"utterance_id":3560,"speaker_name":69,"text":1289,"start_s":3561,"end_s":3562,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},558,"83279",3647.32,3647.84,{"idx":3564,"utterance_id":3565,"speaker_name":69,"text":1794,"start_s":3566,"end_s":3567,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},559,"83280",3647.88,3648.28,{"idx":3569,"utterance_id":3570,"speaker_name":69,"text":1794,"start_s":3571,"end_s":3572,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},560,"83281",3649.4,3649.78,{"idx":3574,"utterance_id":3575,"speaker_name":69,"text":3576,"start_s":3577,"end_s":3578,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},561,"83282","Soy profesora de la red estatal de São Paulo desde 1988.",3651.38,3655.02,{"idx":3580,"utterance_id":3581,"speaker_name":69,"text":3582,"start_s":3583,"end_s":3584,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},562,"83283","Déjame hablar bajito, ¿sí?",3656.66,3657.66,{"idx":3586,"utterance_id":3587,"speaker_name":69,"text":3588,"start_s":3589,"end_s":3590,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},563,"83284","Desde el 88.",3658.26,3658.56,{"idx":3592,"utterance_id":3593,"speaker_name":69,"text":3594,"start_s":3595,"end_s":3596,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},564,"83285","Empecé muy joven y... He pasado por varios momentos, por varias administraciones, y considero este el momento más desafiante de la educación en São Paulo.",3660.02,3670.02,{"idx":3598,"utterance_id":3599,"speaker_name":69,"text":3600,"start_s":3601,"end_s":3602,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3108,"target_proposition":3109,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":3603,"indexable":244},565,"83286","Profundizando un poco aquí lo que dijo Ana, hoy tenemos uno de los grandes desafíos: la cuestión de las plataformas.",3671.84,3679.48,"afirma que las plataformas son hoy uno de los grandes desafíos de la educación.",{"idx":3605,"utterance_id":3606,"speaker_name":69,"text":3607,"start_s":3608,"end_s":3609,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},566,"83287","Desde principios de 1923, nos convertimos, yo lo llamo 'hacedores de tareas', nos convertimos en hacedores de tareas y a correr detrás de índices.",3681.92,3690,{"idx":3611,"utterance_id":3612,"speaker_name":69,"text":3613,"start_s":3614,"end_s":3615,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},567,"83288","Necesitamos cumplir metas todo el tiempo.",3690.52,3693.58,{"idx":3617,"utterance_id":3618,"speaker_name":69,"text":3619,"start_s":3620,"end_s":3621,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},568,"83289","¿Y cómo impactan esas metas en la escuela?",3694.04,3696.62,{"idx":3623,"utterance_id":3624,"speaker_name":69,"text":3625,"start_s":3626,"end_s":3627,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},569,"83290","Hay una tabla... digamos, en la entrada de la escuela, con todas las clases, y se colocan colores allí, porque hoy trabajamos con semáforos para todas las cuestiones.",3699.12,3711.36,{"idx":3629,"utterance_id":3630,"speaker_name":69,"text":3631,"start_s":3632,"end_s":3633,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},570,"83291","Entonces hay la clase que está en rojo, la clase que está en verde, la clase que está en amarillo, y la carrera para que todos queden verdes.",3711.4,3720.06,{"idx":3635,"utterance_id":3636,"speaker_name":69,"text":3637,"start_s":3638,"end_s":3639,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},571,"83292","Entonces, para que todos queden verdes, tenemos que correr y hacer las plataformas.",3720.3,3726.24,{"idx":3641,"utterance_id":3642,"speaker_name":69,"text":3643,"start_s":3644,"end_s":3645,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3108,"target_proposition":3109,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":3646,"indexable":244},572,"83293","Así, las plataformas pasaron a ser el punto de referencia del trabajo educativo dentro de la escuela.",3726.84,3733.74,"dice que las plataformas se han convertido en referencia del trabajo educativo, en tono crítico.",{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":69,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},573,"83294","Y las metas se sacan de lo que ella mencionó de la prueba paulista.",3734.18,3739.42,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":69,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},574,"83295","La prueba paulista se realiza bimestralmente.",3739.86,3743.14,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":69,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},575,"83296","Esa prueba va a decir cuánto aprendió o no esa clase de los contenidos que se dieron en las diapositivas y de las plataformas que se hicieron.",3744.3,3753.24,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":69,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3671,"target_proposition":3672,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":3673,"rationale":3674,"indexable":244},576,"83297","Y esas plataformas hoy no sirven solo para enseñar.",3753.7,3757.36,"b3f53fcd-c3d3-4637-9d7b-1285e134d100","usar plataformas digitales como criterio principal de evaluación docente",0.92,"afirma que las plataformas también se usan para evaluar el trabajo docente.",{"idx":3676,"utterance_id":3677,"speaker_name":69,"text":3678,"start_s":3679,"end_s":3680,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},577,"83298","También sirven para evaluar el trabajo docente.",3758.02,3760.72,{"idx":3682,"utterance_id":3683,"speaker_name":69,"text":3684,"start_s":3685,"end_s":3686,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},578,"83299","Así que nosotros, los profesores, somos evaluados por las plataformas y también somos clasificados en el semáforo.",3761.22,3768.66,{"idx":3688,"utterance_id":3689,"speaker_name":69,"text":3690,"start_s":3691,"end_s":3692,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},579,"83300","Rojo, amarillo.",3769.26,3770.6,{"idx":3694,"utterance_id":3695,"speaker_name":69,"text":3696,"start_s":3697,"end_s":3698,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3671,"target_proposition":3672,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":3699,"indexable":244},580,"83301","Para alcanzar el verde, tienes que hacer los cursos, que son del Multiplica.",3772.26,3779.08,"explica la relación entre plataformas, cursos obligatorios y la evaluación 'farol'.",{"idx":3701,"utterance_id":3702,"speaker_name":69,"text":3703,"start_s":3704,"end_s":3705,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},581,"83302","Necesitas ser evaluado positivamente por los alumnos, ser evaluado positivamente por la gestión de la escuela y también ser evaluado positivamente en tu asistencia.",3779.54,3790.94,{"idx":3707,"utterance_id":3708,"speaker_name":69,"text":3709,"start_s":3710,"end_s":3711,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},582,"83303","Entonces, son ítems que componen la evaluación.",3791.42,3793.46,{"idx":3713,"utterance_id":3714,"speaker_name":69,"text":3715,"start_s":3716,"end_s":3717,"word_count":428,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3718,"target_proposition":3719,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":3720,"indexable":244},583,"83304","Y si eres clasificado en el semáforo amarillo o rojo, eso sirve tanto para los docentes como para el equipo directivo, te pueden mandar a otra unidad; si eres titular de cargo, como es mi caso, o si eres categoría O, vas rondando de escuela en escuela, yo lo llamo peregrinación.",3793.82,3814.96,"9335fda5-d990-4a4b-a32e-44d17d33150f","castigar a docentes por evaluaciones basadas en plataformas y metas","relata el traslado y castigo de profesores por metas no alcanzadas.",{"idx":3722,"utterance_id":3723,"speaker_name":69,"text":3724,"start_s":3725,"end_s":3726,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},584,"83305","peregrinando, nuestra amiga también ya dijo eso, vas yendo de una unidad a otra, porque pierdes no solo por la ausencia de clases, sino también por esa evaluación negativa.",3815.92,3827.56,{"idx":3728,"utterance_id":3729,"speaker_name":69,"text":3730,"start_s":3731,"end_s":3732,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},585,"83306","Entonces, ahora, a fin de mes... Tuvimos una evaluación de esa, estamos esperando, estoy esperando ansiosamente para saber si soy rojo, verde o amarillo.",3828.72,3840.6,{"idx":3734,"utterance_id":3735,"speaker_name":69,"text":3736,"start_s":3737,"end_s":3738,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},586,"83307","Es ironía, pero, lamentablemente, esto ha venido ocurriendo.",3841.06,3845.04,{"idx":3740,"utterance_id":3741,"speaker_name":69,"text":3742,"start_s":3743,"end_s":3744,"word_count":364,"indexable":74},587,"83308","Y también tenemos un castigo directo para quien no consigue, como ya se ha dicho aquí, hacer que los alumnos cumplan las tareas y que esa clase o ese grupo quede en rojo, o en verde, que es lo buscado.",3845.98,3860.96,{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":69,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},588,"83309","Y ocurrió recientemente... en una de las escuelas, que a todos los profesores del turno nocturno de la escuela se les diera una orientación para el trabajo, porque los estudiantes no estaban cumpliendo las tareas, no estaban realizando las tareas, y las clases estaban en rojo.",3861.34,3879.84,{"idx":3752,"utterance_id":3753,"speaker_name":69,"text":3754,"start_s":3755,"end_s":3756,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},589,"83310","Entonces, los profesores fueron castigados por eso, recibieron una orientación para el trabajo.",3880.5,3884.84,{"idx":3758,"utterance_id":3759,"speaker_name":69,"text":3760,"start_s":3761,"end_s":3762,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},590,"83311","Y todo el tiempo, ese clima de amenaza, presión para que se alcancen las metas.",3885.44,3892.34,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":69,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},591,"83312","Esto, como también ya se dijo aquí, está enfermando mucho a los profesionales de la escuela.",3892.52,3897.9,{"idx":3770,"utterance_id":3771,"speaker_name":69,"text":3772,"start_s":3773,"end_s":3774,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},592,"83313","Tenemos historias y más historias de directores apartados por el hecho de que la escuela no alcanzó la meta propuesta.",3898.98,3906.92,{"idx":3776,"utterance_id":3777,"speaker_name":69,"text":3778,"start_s":3779,"end_s":3780,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},593,"83314","tanto del IDEB como del ESP, o incluso por no lograr que las plataformas queden en verde, inclusive en la asistencia de los alumnos.",3908.24,3916.92,{"idx":3782,"utterance_id":3783,"speaker_name":69,"text":3784,"start_s":3785,"end_s":3786,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},594,"83315","Es realmente un clima de mucho peso, de mucha tensión y desagradable.",3917.72,3922.7,{"idx":3788,"utterance_id":3789,"speaker_name":69,"text":3790,"start_s":3791,"end_s":3792,"word_count":513,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3793,"target_proposition":3794,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":3795,"indexable":244},595,"83316","Comenté hace un rato aquí con un amigo ya conocido, con Paulo, que... dependiendo de lo que eliges, si sales un poco del ritual, yo soy un poco rebelde, quien me conoce sabe que soy tranquila, pero tengo un alma rebelde, que intento usar algunos materiales diferentes, distintos a los que están propuestos en las diapositivas, y el internet de la escuela lo bloquea.",3923.04,3950.52,"c897dbda-a012-4c31-80ed-349df5526dfe","garantizar acceso a recursos pedagógicos en línea sin bloqueos en las escuelas","relata el bloqueo de un documental y se queja de la restricción de acceso docente.",{"idx":3797,"utterance_id":3798,"speaker_name":69,"text":3799,"start_s":3800,"end_s":3801,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},596,"83317","Entonces, tiene un filtro.",3952.46,3954.18,{"idx":3803,"utterance_id":3804,"speaker_name":69,"text":3805,"start_s":3806,"end_s":3807,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},597,"83318","Tiene un filtro.",3954.86,3955.86,{"idx":3809,"utterance_id":3810,"speaker_name":69,"text":3811,"start_s":3812,"end_s":3813,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},598,"83319","Y voy a dar un ejemplo.",3956.02,3956.94,{"idx":3815,"utterance_id":3816,"speaker_name":69,"text":3817,"start_s":3818,"end_s":3819,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},599,"83320","Actualmente soy profesora de geografía, ya pasé por varios cargos en la gestión de las escuelas, y fui a poner un documental de Milton Santos y el internet de la unidad bloqueó el documental.",3956.98,3971.22,{"idx":3821,"utterance_id":3822,"speaker_name":69,"text":3823,"start_s":3824,"end_s":3825,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},600,"83321","Así que, para poder proyectarlo, utilicé la conexión de mi celular, porque no tiene filtro.",3971.74,3977.74,{"idx":3827,"utterance_id":3828,"speaker_name":69,"text":3829,"start_s":3830,"end_s":3831,"word_count":519,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3832,"target_proposition":3833,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":3834,"indexable":244},601,"83322","Entonces, sí, hemos vivido un momento tenso. Un momento en que valen mucho más los números, vale mucho más un maquillaje, porque yo lo llamo maquillaje, porque a partir del momento en que la cuestión que está en la diapositiva es la misma cuestión que se exige en la prueba, y si sigo el rito, entrené al alumno para responder esa cuestión; artificialmente elevo los resultados.",3978.14,4004.6,"eb3b85bb-7043-46b0-979f-c82d44f95698","reducir la dependencia de pruebas estandarizadas y prácticas de 'entrenamiento' para inflar resultados","critica maquillar el aprendizaje entrenando para exámenes con diapositivas y plataformas.",{"idx":3836,"utterance_id":3837,"speaker_name":69,"text":3838,"start_s":3839,"end_s":3840,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},602,"83323","Y voy a tener alumnos con buen desempeño, lo que no significa que hayan aprendido de verdad.",4004.96,4010.2,{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":69,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},603,"83324","Es muy triste, es lamentable lo que hemos vivido actualmente.",4010.82,4014.84,{"idx":3848,"utterance_id":3849,"speaker_name":69,"text":3850,"start_s":3851,"end_s":3852,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},604,"83325","Gracias, Rosana, por tu testimonio.",4014.88,4025.24,{"idx":3854,"utterance_id":3855,"speaker_name":69,"text":3856,"start_s":3857,"end_s":3858,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},605,"83326","Es muy difícil escuchar este tipo de cosas, porque el trabajo de un educador, de un profesor, es tan importante, no debería ser tan penoso trabajar para generar el cambio en la sociedad.",4025.6,4040.52,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":69,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},606,"83327","Y cuando vemos esa dificultad para trabajar, para cumplir aquello por lo que luchaste tanto para conseguir, ¿cómo vemos a las próximas generaciones de profesores?",4040.94,4052.38,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":69,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},607,"83328","¿Cuando el trabajo es tan difícil?",4053.44,4055.16,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":69,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},608,"83329","Puede, claro.",4055.4,4055.96,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":69,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},609,"83330","Generalmente, cuando hacemos la evaluación de los estudiantes, es para que podamos intervenir y suplir las deficiencias que eventualmente se encuentren.",4058,4069.64,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":69,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},610,"83331","En el caso del profesor, que es puesto en amarillo o en rojo, lo que se hace con él parece ser solo el castigo.",4070.4,4079.66,{"idx":3890,"utterance_id":3891,"speaker_name":69,"text":3892,"start_s":3893,"end_s":3894,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},611,"83332","No se busca cuidar esos lugares que necesitan intervención.",4080.28,4086.16,{"idx":3896,"utterance_id":3897,"speaker_name":69,"text":3898,"start_s":3899,"end_s":3900,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},612,"83333","¿Es eso?",4086.28,4086.66,{"idx":3902,"utterance_id":3903,"speaker_name":69,"text":3904,"start_s":3905,"end_s":3906,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},613,"83334","Eso es.",4087.2,4087.6,{"idx":3908,"utterance_id":3909,"speaker_name":69,"text":3910,"start_s":3911,"end_s":3912,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},614,"83335","Es el día a día.",4089.5,4090.22,{"idx":3914,"utterance_id":3915,"speaker_name":69,"text":3916,"start_s":3917,"end_s":3918,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},615,"83336","Es ideológica.",4090.26,4090.92,{"idx":3920,"utterance_id":3921,"speaker_name":69,"text":3904,"start_s":3922,"end_s":3923,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},616,"83337",4092.3,4092.7,{"idx":3925,"utterance_id":3926,"speaker_name":69,"text":3927,"start_s":3928,"end_s":3929,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},617,"83338","Es castigo todo el tiempo.",4093.42,4096.08,{"idx":3931,"utterance_id":3932,"speaker_name":69,"text":3933,"start_s":3934,"end_s":3935,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},618,"83339","Por cualquier falla que ocurra, hay un precio caro que pagar.",4096.82,4101.38,{"idx":3937,"utterance_id":3938,"speaker_name":69,"text":3939,"start_s":3940,"end_s":3941,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},619,"83340","Tengo una experiencia hermosa en Acre con el secretario de Educación, que en esa época, Arnóbio, es un gran amigo mío, después llegó a ser gobernador.",4102.28,4114.54,{"idx":3943,"utterance_id":3944,"speaker_name":69,"text":3945,"start_s":3946,"end_s":3947,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},620,"83341","Y él hizo un proceso de evaluación con los profesores y trabajó de forma personalizada todo lo que se encontró para elevar",4115.22,4124.86,{"idx":3949,"utterance_id":3950,"speaker_name":69,"text":3951,"start_s":3952,"end_s":3953,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},621,"83342","el nivel de los profesores de forma personalizada, de acuerdo con las necesidades.",4125.48,4129.58,{"idx":3955,"utterance_id":3956,"speaker_name":69,"text":3957,"start_s":3958,"end_s":3959,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},622,"83343","Y el resultado luego se reflejó de forma maravillosa en el proceso de enseñanza-aprendizaje.",4129.96,4135.7,{"idx":3961,"utterance_id":3962,"speaker_name":69,"text":3963,"start_s":3964,"end_s":3965,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},623,"83344","Trabajé en un proceso de formación que tenía esa mirada individualizada, de apoyo al profesor, para mejorar su trabajo y, en consecuencia, mejorar los resultados.",4137.12,4147.04,{"idx":3967,"utterance_id":3968,"speaker_name":69,"text":3969,"start_s":3970,"end_s":3971,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},624,"83345","Pero esa no es la lógica que hemos vivido aquí.",4147.14,4149.6,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3973,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3974,"start_s":3975,"end_s":3976,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"83346","Profesor, ¿recuerda algún secretario de Educación?",4152,4155.9,{"idx":3978,"utterance_id":3979,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":3980,"start_s":3981,"end_s":3982,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},626,"83347","¿que haya dejado una marca positiva en su memoria después de tantos años de docencia?",4156.28,4161.16,{"idx":3984,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":69,"text":3986,"start_s":3987,"end_s":3988,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},627,"83348","¡Nuestra!",4161.84,4163.8,{"idx":3990,"utterance_id":3991,"speaker_name":69,"text":3992,"start_s":3993,"end_s":3994,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},628,"83349","¿Algunos o uno, ninguno?",4163.84,4165.5,{"idx":3996,"utterance_id":3997,"speaker_name":69,"text":3998,"start_s":3999,"end_s":4000,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},629,"83350","Creo que, ¿cómo puedo decir?, siempre pensé que vivíamos lo trágico y nunca imaginé que pudiera volverse más trágico.",4166.28,4175,{"idx":4002,"utterance_id":4003,"speaker_name":69,"text":4004,"start_s":4005,"end_s":4006,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},630,"83351","¿Pero la Secretaría de São Paulo?",4176.28,4178.08,{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":69,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},631,"83352","no recuerdo ninguno.",4178.44,4179.68,{"idx":4014,"utterance_id":4015,"speaker_name":69,"text":4016,"start_s":4017,"end_s":4018,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},632,"83353","Recuerdo a la Secretaría Municipal de Educación.",4179.84,4183.04,{"idx":4020,"utterance_id":4021,"speaker_name":69,"text":4022,"start_s":4023,"end_s":4024,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},633,"83354","Porque yo también soy profesora del municipio...",4183.54,4185.26,{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":69,"text":4028,"start_s":4029,"end_s":4030,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},634,"83355","Aquí en São Paulo.",4185.3,4185.76,{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":69,"text":4028,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},635,"83356",4185.96,4186.66,{"idx":4037,"utterance_id":4038,"speaker_name":69,"text":4039,"start_s":4040,"end_s":4041,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},636,"83357","En el municipio, lo recordamos.",4187.42,4188.82,{"idx":4043,"utterance_id":4044,"speaker_name":69,"text":4045,"start_s":4046,"end_s":4047,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},637,"83358","Paulo Freire fue nuestro secretario, no hay forma de olvidar eso.",4189.08,4192.9,{"idx":4049,"utterance_id":4050,"speaker_name":69,"text":4051,"start_s":4052,"end_s":4053,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},638,"83359","No pertenecía a la red en esa época, pero sé que impactó mucho.",4193.44,4197.14,{"idx":4055,"utterance_id":4056,"speaker_name":69,"text":4057,"start_s":4058,"end_s":4059,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},639,"83360","Tuvimos... Cortella, como secretario también; tuvimos a Cida Pérez, tenemos muchos nombres en la Alcaldía de São Paulo que puedo decir que fueron buenos secretarios y que efectivamente hicieron un trabajo que considero bueno.",4197.84,4212.1,{"idx":4061,"utterance_id":4062,"speaker_name":69,"text":4063,"start_s":4064,"end_s":4065,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},640,"83361","Ahora, del Estado de São Paulo, no consigo, lamentablemente.",4212.68,4217.38,{"idx":4067,"utterance_id":4068,"speaker_name":69,"text":4069,"start_s":4070,"end_s":4071,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},641,"83362","Gracias una vez más, Rosana.",4225.88,4227.62,{"idx":4073,"utterance_id":4074,"speaker_name":69,"text":4075,"start_s":4076,"end_s":4077,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},642,"83363","Para terminar aquí... las intervenciones del público, voy a llamar ahora a Jeane Ambar, de São Paulo, y a Denison Guimarães, de Guaratinguetá, para que hagan una intervención.",4227.74,4239.7,{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":69,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},643,"83364","Hola.",4240.7,4240.92,{"idx":4085,"utterance_id":4086,"speaker_name":69,"text":4087,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},644,"83365","Agradezco la oportunidad de estar aquí y exponer nuestras necesidades.",4242.02,4247.4,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":69,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4098,"indexable":74},645,"83366","He visto varios casos de profesoras, profesores, alumnos, madres, y yo soy estudiante de doctorado, pero veo... en mis colegas de maestría, mis colegas de doctorado, la dificultad que tenemos en la educación privada.",4248.44,4266,"226c29f1-9f28-428e-8851-5de9f04f86f9","implementar políticas públicas estatales de becas e incentivos para estudiantes e investigadores","relata dificultades en la enseñanza privada sin proponer una acción explícita.",{"idx":4100,"utterance_id":4101,"speaker_name":69,"text":4102,"start_s":4103,"end_s":4104,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4105,"indexable":74},646,"83367","Porque no podemos costear vivienda, trabajo y estudio con mensualidades tan altas.",4266.92,4275.7,"describe la imposibilidad de conciliar trabajo, hogar y estudio.",{"idx":4107,"utterance_id":4108,"speaker_name":69,"text":4109,"start_s":4110,"end_s":4111,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":4112,"topic_label":4113,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4114,"indexable":74},647,"83368","Y existen las becas CAPES y CNPq, becas del gobierno federal.",4276.54,4281.2,"tecnologia-e-inteligencia-artificial","Tecnología e inteligencia artificial","cita la existencia de becas federales (CAPES, CNPq) de forma descriptiva.",{"idx":4116,"utterance_id":4117,"speaker_name":69,"text":4118,"start_s":4119,"end_s":4120,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4121,"indexable":74},648,"83369","Entonces, veo una distribución completamente desigual.",4281.82,4286.98,"afirma distribución desigual sin indicar una acción concreta en esta intervención.",{"idx":4123,"utterance_id":4124,"speaker_name":69,"text":4125,"start_s":4126,"end_s":4127,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},649,"83370","en la cuestión, principalmente, de género.",4288.04,4289.92,{"idx":4129,"utterance_id":4130,"speaker_name":69,"text":4131,"start_s":4132,"end_s":4133,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4134,"indexable":74},650,"83371","Hablo por mí, que participé en un proceso selectivo, y de las becas, todas fueron para hombres.",4290.74,4297.14,"relata selección de becas con sesgo de género, sin proponer una política.",{"idx":4136,"utterance_id":4137,"speaker_name":69,"text":4138,"start_s":4139,"end_s":4140,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4141,"indexable":244},651,"83372","Acabo de hacer una investigación donde el 37% de las becas son para mujeres y el 63% para hombres.",4297.4,4305.76,"presenta la estadística (37% mujeres) como dato descriptivo.",{"idx":4143,"utterance_id":4144,"speaker_name":69,"text":4145,"start_s":4146,"end_s":4147,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},652,"83373","Becas de investigación.",4305.92,4306.92,{"idx":4149,"utterance_id":4150,"speaker_name":69,"text":4151,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4153,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},653,"83374","Capes.",4307.8,4308.08,{"idx":4155,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":69,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4160,"indexable":74},654,"83375","Es una disparidad muy grande para quienes tenemos que trabajar y estudiar.",4310.1,4314.2,"califica la disparidad como grande, aun sin propuesta explícita.",{"idx":4162,"utterance_id":4163,"speaker_name":69,"text":4164,"start_s":4165,"end_s":4166,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},655,"83376","Soy madre, cuido la casa, a mi hijo, y tener que escuchar exigencias como \"tienes que producir más\".",4314.48,4321.96,{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":69,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":4173,"rationale":4174,"indexable":74},656,"83377","Pero no tengo una beca de incentivo para eso.",4322.76,4325.1,0.68,"informa la falta personal de una beca; relato sin petición directa en esta intervención.",{"idx":4176,"utterance_id":4177,"speaker_name":69,"text":4178,"start_s":4179,"end_s":4180,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":4181,"rationale":4182,"indexable":74},657,"83378","Si la tuviera, podría dejar mi trabajo, podría reducir mi jornada laboral.",4325.4,4329.3,0.65,"condiciona su posibilidad personal a la existencia de una beca, sin proponer una medida directa.",{"idx":4184,"utterance_id":4185,"speaker_name":69,"text":4186,"start_s":4187,"end_s":4188,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":4112,"topic_label":4113,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":4189,"indexable":244},658,"83379","Entonces, falta incentivo estatal para que podamos... construir ciencia, para que construyamos educación, para que desarrollemos tecnología, innovación, investigación, y avancemos en eso.",4329.86,4342.6,"declara la falta de incentivo estatal y pide avances en ciencia y tecnología.",{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":69,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},659,"83380","Entonces, aquí queda mi desahogo como estudiante, como madre, como compañera que somos aquí, formamos parte de la Asociación de Posgraduandos.",4343.38,4353.02,{"idx":4197,"utterance_id":4198,"speaker_name":69,"text":4199,"start_s":4200,"end_s":4201,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},660,"83381","Así que siempre estamos buscando cosas que puedan mejorar nuestra vida como profesionales y estudiantes.",4353.62,4360.88,{"idx":4203,"utterance_id":4204,"speaker_name":69,"text":4205,"start_s":4206,"end_s":4207,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":3673,"rationale":4208,"indexable":244},661,"83382","Me gustaría mucho que ustedes consideraran una política pública más equitativa de becas, una política pública de becas estatales para los alumnos de la red privada.",4361.02,4373.1,"pide explícitamente 'uma política pública de bolsas estaduais para alunos da rede privada'.",{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":69,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":4215,"indexable":244},662,"83383","Un poco más de atención en esta cuestión del incentivo.",4374.48,4379.44,"reclama por 'um pouco mais de atenção' en los incentivos educativos.",{"idx":4217,"utterance_id":4218,"speaker_name":69,"text":4219,"start_s":4220,"end_s":4221,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},663,"83384","Porque nosotros... Ah, ¿qué haces en la vida?",4380.76,4382.84,{"idx":4223,"utterance_id":4224,"speaker_name":69,"text":4225,"start_s":4226,"end_s":4227,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},664,"83385","¿Solo estudias?",4382.88,4383.68,{"idx":4229,"utterance_id":4230,"speaker_name":69,"text":4231,"start_s":4232,"end_s":4233,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},665,"83386","No, estamos produciendo ciencia, estamos produciendo investigación.",4384.38,4387.24,{"idx":4235,"utterance_id":4236,"speaker_name":69,"text":4237,"start_s":4238,"end_s":4239,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},666,"83387","Si no hablara aquí, nadie sabría que las mujeres tienen menos becas.",4387.36,4391.6,{"idx":4241,"utterance_id":4242,"speaker_name":69,"text":4243,"start_s":4244,"end_s":4245,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},667,"83388","Escuchamos que es 'mimimi', pero no lo es, son números, es estadística, está ahí.",4392.24,4396.84,{"idx":4247,"utterance_id":4248,"speaker_name":69,"text":4249,"start_s":4250,"end_s":4251,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},668,"83389","Quien quiera ver, los números están ahí.",4396.96,4399.06,{"idx":4253,"utterance_id":4254,"speaker_name":69,"text":4255,"start_s":4256,"end_s":4257,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},669,"83390","Y nosotros investigamos, trabajamos con eso.",4399.46,4401.42,{"idx":4259,"utterance_id":4260,"speaker_name":69,"text":4261,"start_s":4262,"end_s":4263,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},670,"83391","Y en el área del derecho, que es nuestra área, siempre buscamos los derechos de los excluidos.",4402.02,4407.98,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4265,"speaker_name":69,"text":4266,"start_s":4267,"end_s":4268,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"83392","Y me siento, en este momento, en carne propia, lo que es ser una persona excluida.",4408.14,4413.98,{"idx":4270,"utterance_id":4271,"speaker_name":69,"text":4272,"start_s":4273,"end_s":4274,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},672,"83393","Quiero avanzar en mi carrera, quiero avanzar en la investigación, pero me siento bloqueada porque no tengo tiempo, no tengo incentivos, no tengo beca y estoy luchando por ello.",4414.76,4423.12,{"idx":4276,"utterance_id":4277,"speaker_name":69,"text":4278,"start_s":4279,"end_s":4280,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},673,"83394","Y estoy cansada, ¿saben?",4423.54,4424.72,{"idx":4282,"utterance_id":4283,"speaker_name":69,"text":4284,"start_s":4285,"end_s":4286,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},674,"83395","Estamos muy cansadas.",4424.78,4425.98,{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":69,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4096,"target_proposition":4097,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":4293,"indexable":244},675,"83396","Entonces, agradezco que incluyan en la agenda a nosotros también como meta de incentivo a la educación y el avance de la educación en Brasil.",4426.44,4437.6,"pide incluir en la agenda metas de incentivo a la educación.",{"idx":4295,"utterance_id":4296,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":4297,"end_s":4298,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},676,"83397",4437.82,4438.48,{"idx":4300,"utterance_id":4301,"speaker_name":69,"text":4302,"start_s":4303,"end_s":4304,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},677,"83398","Buenos días, quisiera agradecer también la oportunidad.",4444.62,4447.62,{"idx":4306,"utterance_id":4307,"speaker_name":69,"text":4308,"start_s":4309,"end_s":4310,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},678,"83399","Soy estudiante de la Universidade Estadual Paulista, Unesp, junto con algunos compañeros aquí de la USP, también presentes.",4447.84,4453.74,{"idx":4312,"utterance_id":4313,"speaker_name":69,"text":4314,"start_s":4315,"end_s":4316,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},679,"83400","Antes de hablar específicamente de nuestras cuestiones de la educación superior, quisiera solidarizarme con la educación básica, desde la enseñanza fundamental hasta la enseñanza media.",4454.34,4463.32,{"idx":4318,"utterance_id":4319,"speaker_name":69,"text":4320,"start_s":4321,"end_s":4322,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},680,"83401","Hice la licenciatura, estuve recientemente como pasante.",4463.72,4467.28,{"idx":4324,"utterance_id":4325,"speaker_name":69,"text":4326,"start_s":4327,"end_s":4328,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4329,"target_proposition":4330,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":4331,"indexable":74},681,"83402","En las escuelas públicas pude vivir ese proceso de 'plataformización' que ha traído perjuicios significativos para la educación de nuestros estudiantes.",4469.88,4479.08,"aca277e1-8172-41d7-b56a-416b59e32c4f","adecuar los currículos de la educación superior para incluir refuerzo de la enseñanza básica","denuncia 'plataformização' perjudicial; relata el efecto sin proponer en esta frase.",{"idx":4333,"utterance_id":4334,"speaker_name":69,"text":4335,"start_s":4336,"end_s":4337,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},682,"83403","En la educación superior, hemos sentido ese desfase en los conocimientos.",4481.3,4485.08,{"idx":4339,"utterance_id":4340,"speaker_name":69,"text":4341,"start_s":4342,"end_s":4343,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},683,"83404","Los alumnos que llegan a los cursos de grado, principalmente a las carreras de ciencias exactas, de las que formo parte, han traído muchas dificultades en matemáticas.",4485.72,4494.4,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4345,"speaker_name":69,"text":4346,"start_s":4347,"end_s":4348,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},"83405","Y terminamos... teniendo conflictos internos con algunos profesores que creen que esos alumnos no deberían estar allí.",4495.24,4501,{"idx":4350,"utterance_id":4351,"speaker_name":69,"text":4352,"start_s":4353,"end_s":4354,"word_count":565,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4329,"target_proposition":4330,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4355,"indexable":244},685,"83406","Así que, como universidad pública, hemos podido responder en la importancia de intentar adecuar los currículos para recibir a esos alumnos y pasar por un proceso de adecuación con la implementación de enseñanza básica, con cálculo básico, para que esos alumnos tengan la oportunidad de reequilibrarse dentro de este contexto de la educación superior para... que puedan continuar con su formación, ya sea en el área de la enseñanza o en el área de ciencia pura y aplicada.",4502.14,4528.6,"afirma 'a gente conseguiu responder' y reivindica la adecuación curricular.",{"idx":4357,"utterance_id":4358,"speaker_name":69,"text":4359,"start_s":4360,"end_s":4361,"word_count":364,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4329,"target_proposition":4330,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4362,"indexable":244},686,"83407","Quisiera solidarizarme y decir que las universidades públicas también ven y perciben ese desfase en la enseñanza básica y tratamos, en la medida de lo posible, de solidarizarnos y contribuir para que esas personas que llegan a nosotros también tengan oportunidades de formación superior.",4528.96,4546.9,"dice que las universidades públicas intentan adecuar los currículos y contribuir.",{"idx":4364,"utterance_id":4365,"speaker_name":69,"text":4366,"start_s":4367,"end_s":4368,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},687,"83408","Pero también quisiera plantear una cuestión específica sobre la educación pública superior paulista.",4547.78,4552.78,{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":69,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":4377,"target_proposition":4378,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":4379,"indexable":74},688,"83409","Acabamos de pasar por un período intenso de huelga aquí en el estado de São Paulo, que también trae problemas presupuestarios, problemas estructurales, problemas de calidad de la enseñanza y de la investigación.",4553.38,4565,"financiamento-da-educacao","Financiamiento De La Educación","a0341e9c-fbff-4814-86f4-5272d1b9b70d","aumentar el financiamiento estatal para universidades públicas y apoyar su expansión","relata huelga y problemas presupuestarios sin proponer acción en esta intervención.",{"idx":4381,"utterance_id":4382,"speaker_name":69,"text":4383,"start_s":4384,"end_s":4385,"word_count":402,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":4377,"target_proposition":4378,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4386,"indexable":244},689,"83410","Tenemos las tres principales universidades públicas del país que más producen ciencia, que más forman profesionales, sean ellos docentes, investigadores, entre otros, pero que, desde... Desde 1995 no hemos tenido un reajuste en la transferencia del ICMS, que también está amenazado debido a la presente y reciente transición tributaria que avanza.",4565.38,4589.02,"informa la ausencia de reajuste de la transferencia del ICMS desde 1995, hecho descrito.",{"idx":4388,"utterance_id":4389,"speaker_name":69,"text":4390,"start_s":4391,"end_s":4392,"word_count":325,"indexable":74},690,"83411","Entonces, es un limbo para nosotros de la educación superior muy... oscuro, dado el escenario político que tenemos aquí con este gobierno, con esta Asamblea Legislativa, sobre cómo quedará el financiamiento de esas instituciones que históricamente han sido sucateadas.",4589.58,4607.58,{"idx":4394,"utterance_id":4395,"speaker_name":69,"text":4396,"start_s":4397,"end_s":4398,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},691,"83412","La universidad pública, además de la cuestión educativa, intenta resolver problemas sociales que están vinculados desde la salud hasta la tecnología, las telecomunicaciones, entre otras cuestiones.",4609.8,4621.34,{"idx":4400,"utterance_id":4401,"speaker_name":69,"text":4402,"start_s":4403,"end_s":4404,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},692,"83413","Y también la proximidad.",4621.76,4622.94,{"idx":4406,"utterance_id":4407,"speaker_name":69,"text":4408,"start_s":4409,"end_s":4410,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},693,"83414","Soy de una universidad que está presente en 24 ciudades del estado de São Paulo, que es un ejemplo de interiorización y de acceso a la educación superior pública de altísima calidad.",4623.06,4632.72,{"idx":4412,"utterance_id":4413,"speaker_name":69,"text":4414,"start_s":4415,"end_s":4416,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},694,"83415","Y tratamos, siempre que es posible, de colaborar con las prefeituras, con las redes de enseñanza, pero, desafortunadamente, Desafortunadamente, hay ciudades, hay alcaldes que ven a esa universidad como enemiga.",4633.12,4643.54,{"idx":4418,"utterance_id":4419,"speaker_name":69,"text":4420,"start_s":4421,"end_s":4422,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},695,"83416","Desafortunadamente, porque producimos tantas cosas que pueden resolver muchos de los problemas que fueron, principalmente las cuestiones educativas que se plantearon aquí, que terminan no ingresando en ese contexto debido a las administraciones políticas locales.",4644.52,4659.04,{"idx":4424,"utterance_id":4425,"speaker_name":69,"text":4426,"start_s":4427,"end_s":4428,"word_count":335,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":4377,"target_proposition":4378,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":4429,"indexable":244},696,"83417","Entonces, quería traer aquí también esta atención... Adade, con respecto a la atención a las universidades públicas paulistas, en lo que respecta a su financiamiento y a esa expansión, para que podamos contribuir aún más como sociedad paulista y como sociedad brasileña.",4659.82,4677.8,"pide atención al financiamiento y a la expansión de las universidades públicas paulistas.",{"idx":4431,"utterance_id":4432,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":4433,"end_s":4434,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},697,"83418",4678.28,4678.84,{"idx":4436,"utterance_id":4437,"speaker_name":69,"text":4438,"start_s":4439,"end_s":4440,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},698,"83419","Muchas gracias, Jeane, muchas gracias, Denison, por traer esas cuestiones de la educación superior pública en São Paulo, también es muy importante que busquemos soluciones para los problemas presentados.",4685.34,4697.66,{"idx":4442,"utterance_id":4443,"speaker_name":69,"text":4444,"start_s":4445,"end_s":4446,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},699,"83420","Quiero pedir aquí, gente, un aplauso para todas las personas que compartieron sus historias.",4698.22,4703.2,{"idx":4448,"utterance_id":4449,"speaker_name":69,"text":4450,"start_s":4451,"end_s":4452,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},700,"83421","Fue muy importante poder escucharlos.",4710.84,4713.2,{"idx":4454,"utterance_id":4455,"speaker_name":69,"text":4456,"start_s":4457,"end_s":4458,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},701,"83422","Es muy importante que tengamos personas escuchando, es muy importante que tengamos personas hablando.",4713.78,4719.1,{"idx":4460,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":69,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},702,"83423","Esto es el diálogo.",4719.24,4720.08,{"idx":4466,"utterance_id":4467,"speaker_name":69,"text":4468,"start_s":4469,"end_s":4470,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},703,"83424","Y nada se hace sin diálogo.",4720.58,4723.22,{"idx":4472,"utterance_id":4473,"speaker_name":69,"text":4474,"start_s":4475,"end_s":4476,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},704,"83425","Todo lo que hacemos...",4724.08,4724.74,{"idx":4478,"utterance_id":4479,"speaker_name":69,"text":4480,"start_s":4481,"end_s":4482,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},705,"83426","Después lo borran, no hay problema.",4730.26,4731.94,{"idx":4484,"utterance_id":4485,"speaker_name":69,"text":4486,"start_s":4487,"end_s":4488,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},706,"83427","Pero sé que no lo van a borrar, porque voy a decir cosas del corazón.",4732.68,4735.78,{"idx":4490,"utterance_id":4491,"speaker_name":69,"text":4492,"start_s":4493,"end_s":4494,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},707,"83428","Tchê Kretio Mirim, mi nombre es Soraya, soy funcionaria pública en la Rede Municipal de Educação desde hace 43 años.",4735.9,4740.66,{"idx":4496,"utterance_id":4497,"speaker_name":69,"text":4498,"start_s":4499,"end_s":4500,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},708,"83429","Tuve el honor, el placer y la gloria de trabajar en las tres gestiones del PT aquí en São Paulo, en especial con nuestra querida Cida Pérez, que está con nosotros.",4741.12,4750.4,{"idx":4502,"utterance_id":4503,"speaker_name":69,"text":4504,"start_s":4505,"end_s":4506,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},709,"83430","Y también trabajar en la inauguración del CELS.",4752.44,4755.04,{"idx":4508,"utterance_id":4509,"speaker_name":69,"text":4510,"start_s":4511,"end_s":4512,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},710,"83431","En el CELS trabajé 10 años en el CECI Jaraguá, señor, usted estuvo allí también, en esa experiencia del CECI Jaraguá.",4755.34,4760.76,{"idx":4514,"utterance_id":4515,"speaker_name":69,"text":4516,"start_s":4517,"end_s":4518,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},711,"83432","Y no me fui de allí, me quedé, estoy hasta hoy, mi corazón está con la gente, aunque regresé a la escuela de enseñanza media, como conversé con mi colega aquí.",4761.58,4769.28,{"idx":4520,"utterance_id":4521,"speaker_name":69,"text":4522,"start_s":4523,"end_s":4524,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},712,"83433","Ahora, lo que quiero destacar, que considero de relevancia fundamental, habiendo tenido la experiencia de trabajar en la aldea, junto con la Escola Estadual de Icupiambarandu, fue el hecho de que el SESI es una especie de cielo.",4769.9,4781.62,{"idx":4526,"utterance_id":4527,"speaker_name":69,"text":4528,"start_s":4529,"end_s":4530,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},713,"83434","Quien no conoce un cielo, el SESI es el Centro de Educación y Cultura Indígena.",4781.76,4786.06,{"idx":4532,"utterance_id":4533,"speaker_name":69,"text":4534,"start_s":4535,"end_s":4536,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},714,"83435","Y en la aldea trabajamos juntos, no es segregado, no hay muro, no hay nada, pero allí tuvimos la oportunidad de realizar las conferencias infantiles y juveniles sobre el medio ambiente.",4786.52,4797.38,{"idx":4538,"utterance_id":4539,"speaker_name":69,"text":4540,"start_s":4541,"end_s":4542,"word_count":289,"indexable":74},715,"83436","Entonces, con esa experiencia maravillosa, nuestra ministra Marina estaba en Brasilia, tuve la oportunidad de implorar de rodillas en el NEI, Núcleo de Educação Indígena del Estado de São Paulo, allí en la Praça da República.",4797.9,4807.96,{"idx":4544,"utterance_id":4545,"speaker_name":69,"text":4546,"start_s":4547,"end_s":4548,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},716,"83437","para garantizar que los niños indígenas tuvieran la oportunidad de participar.",4808.62,4812.18,{"idx":4550,"utterance_id":4551,"speaker_name":69,"text":4552,"start_s":4553,"end_s":4554,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},717,"83438","Como me dijeron que el niño indígena no entiende nada sobre el medio ambiente en ese momento.",4812.76,4817.3,{"idx":4556,"utterance_id":4557,"speaker_name":69,"text":4558,"start_s":4559,"end_s":4560,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},718,"83439","Todo el mundo va a... Entiende, sabemos que entienden.",4818.42,4822.48,{"idx":4562,"utterance_id":4563,"speaker_name":69,"text":4564,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},719,"83440","Entonces insistimos y fuimos, rompimos la burbuja y fuimos hasta Brasilia, donde fuimos recibidas, inclusive, por la ministra Marina Silva.",4823.06,4830.32,{"idx":4568,"utterance_id":4569,"speaker_name":69,"text":4570,"start_s":4571,"end_s":4572,"word_count":415,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4573,"target_proposition":4574,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":4575,"indexable":244},720,"83441","Entonces, solo quiero pedir, para finalizar, y decir aquí con el corazón lleno de amor, alegría y esperanza, con los ojos llenos de lágrimas, como mucha gente que veo desde aquí, que retomemos, en el gobierno de Fernanda Haddad, la experiencia de las conferencias infantiles y juveniles en el ámbito escolar.",4830.56,4848.96,"e04c89fc-a1ee-490d-9479-f5757b8ff846","retomar las conferencias infantiles y juveniles en el ámbito escolar en el gobierno de Fernanda Haddad","solicita explícitamente que el gobierno retome las conferencias infantiles y juveniles.",{"idx":4577,"utterance_id":4578,"speaker_name":69,"text":4579,"start_s":4580,"end_s":4581,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},721,"83442","Porque es ahí donde hablamos con los niños que forman... parte de nuestra realidad.",4849,4853.84,{"idx":4583,"utterance_id":4584,"speaker_name":69,"text":4585,"start_s":4586,"end_s":4587,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},722,"83443","Niño a niño.",4853.92,4855.14,{"idx":4589,"utterance_id":4590,"speaker_name":69,"text":4591,"start_s":4592,"end_s":4593,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},723,"83444","Y muchas gracias.",4855.54,4856.2,{"idx":4595,"utterance_id":4596,"speaker_name":69,"text":4597,"start_s":4598,"end_s":4599,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},724,"83445","Felicitaciones.",4856.6,4857.04,{"idx":4601,"utterance_id":4602,"speaker_name":69,"text":4603,"start_s":4604,"end_s":4605,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},725,"83446","Le cedo la palabra.",4857.12,4857.76,{"idx":4607,"utterance_id":4608,"speaker_name":69,"text":4609,"start_s":4610,"end_s":4611,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},726,"83447","¿Cuál es su nombre?",4864.06,4864.64,{"idx":4613,"utterance_id":4614,"speaker_name":69,"text":4615,"start_s":4616,"end_s":4617,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},727,"83448","Soraya, muchas gracias por su intervención.",4866.08,4868.06,{"idx":4619,"utterance_id":4620,"speaker_name":69,"text":4621,"start_s":4622,"end_s":4623,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},728,"83449","Muchas gracias por contribuir a nuestro debate.",4868.34,4870.52,{"idx":4625,"utterance_id":4626,"speaker_name":69,"text":4627,"start_s":4628,"end_s":4629,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},729,"83450","Todo lo que hemos escuchado aquí fue muy preocupante.",4870.96,4874.1,{"idx":4631,"utterance_id":4632,"speaker_name":69,"text":4633,"start_s":4634,"end_s":4635,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},730,"83451","Enciende una alerta sobre el modelo de educación que está enfermo y excluye a quienes más lo necesitan.",4874.16,4880.02,{"idx":4637,"utterance_id":4638,"speaker_name":69,"text":4639,"start_s":4640,"end_s":4641,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},731,"83452","Escucharles a ustedes, personas que están realmente comprometidas con la educación de São Paulo y que decidieron no cruzarse de brazos ante tanto desdén, es un faro para el futuro que queremos construir juntos.",4881.14,4892.9,{"idx":4643,"utterance_id":4644,"speaker_name":69,"text":4645,"start_s":4646,"end_s":4647,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},732,"83453","Gracias por su valentía al denunciar y seguir firmes en esta lucha.",4893.82,4898.02,{"idx":4649,"utterance_id":4650,"speaker_name":69,"text":4651,"start_s":4652,"end_s":4653,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4654,"target_proposition":4655,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":4656,"indexable":244},733,"83454","Ahora, más que nunca, es necesario actuar y proponer nuevos caminos para la educación pública de São Paulo.",4900.66,4905.94,"7c579faf-698a-4d95-bdb7-48b6ed0ce679","debatir y formular políticas públicas de educación","afirma 'é preciso agir e propor novos caminhos' para la educación paulista.",{"idx":4658,"utterance_id":4659,"speaker_name":69,"text":4660,"start_s":4661,"end_s":4662,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},734,"83455","No podemos permitir que nuestro Estado se quede atrás precisamente en un área que siempre ha sido protagonista.",4906.5,4911.62,{"idx":4664,"utterance_id":4665,"speaker_name":69,"text":4666,"start_s":4667,"end_s":4668,"word_count":395,"indexable":74},735,"83456","Por eso, quiero invitar ahora a Ana Estela Haddad, esa gran investigadora y profesora universitaria, alguien con tanto conocimiento de causa, para que nos ayude a comprender y saber qué dicen estos relatos sobre la educación paulista, cuáles son los caminos que pueden recolocar a São Paulo en el liderazgo de la educación brasileña.",4912.5,4934.28,{"idx":4670,"utterance_id":4671,"speaker_name":69,"text":4672,"start_s":4673,"end_s":4674,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},736,"83457","Ana Estela, por favor.",4934.78,4935.84,{"idx":4676,"utterance_id":4677,"speaker_name":69,"text":4678,"start_s":4679,"end_s":4680,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},737,"83458","Bueno, primero... Él me sugirió que me pusiera de pie, creo que voy a hacerlo.",4944.26,4950.46,{"idx":4682,"utterance_id":4683,"speaker_name":69,"text":4684,"start_s":4685,"end_s":4686,"word_count":301,"indexable":74},738,"83459","Primero, quería decir que es una mañana especial estar aquí con todos ustedes y escuchar estos testimonios de personas tan preparadas y que traen su experiencia en un área que es tan fundamental para la sociedad.",4952.84,4974.58,{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":69,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},739,"83460","También quería decirles que, bueno, quiero hablar poco, porque creo que tenemos dos personas muy importantes para escuchar aquí.",4975.84,4984.2,{"idx":4694,"utterance_id":4695,"speaker_name":69,"text":4696,"start_s":4697,"end_s":4698,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},740,"83461","Quisiera volver a manifestar mi alegría por la fórmula, que se confirmó este fin de semana.",4985.36,4992.22,{"idx":4700,"utterance_id":4701,"speaker_name":69,"text":4702,"start_s":4703,"end_s":4704,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":4705,"topic_label":4706,"target_id":4707,"target_proposition":4708,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":4709,"indexable":244},741,"83462","Creo que que São Paulo tenga dos candidatas mujeres al Senado, como Simone Tebet y Marina Silva, es un orgullo.",4996.8,5006.52,"processo-eleitoral","Proceso electoral","a11b858e-de65-4634-be3d-1c3e5e5f5c85","elegir a Simone Tebet y Marina Silva como senadoras por São Paulo","declara orgullo por las candidatas y apoyo emocional a su elección.",{"idx":4711,"utterance_id":4712,"speaker_name":69,"text":4713,"start_s":4714,"end_s":4715,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":4705,"topic_label":4706,"target_id":4707,"target_proposition":4708,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":3673,"rationale":4716,"indexable":244},742,"83463","Y quiero trabajar mucho para que ellas sean elegidas senadoras por São Paulo.",5007.2,5013.8,"dice 'quero trabalhar muito para que elas se elejam', apoyo explícito.",{"idx":4718,"utterance_id":4719,"speaker_name":69,"text":4720,"start_s":4721,"end_s":4722,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},743,"83464","Y, bueno, Haddad, además de acompañarlo como compañera, quiero decirles que tengo una admiración muy grande por él también, independientemente de ello, y por su trayectoria en la educación.",5015.22,5031.88,{"idx":4724,"utterance_id":4725,"speaker_name":69,"text":4726,"start_s":4727,"end_s":4728,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},744,"83465","Fue un ministro de educación que hizo mucha diferencia.",5032.8,5036.74,{"idx":4730,"utterance_id":4731,"speaker_name":69,"text":4732,"start_s":4733,"end_s":4734,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},745,"83466","con mucha visión, y que hizo mucho por el país.",5037.74,5041.08,{"idx":4736,"utterance_id":4737,"speaker_name":69,"text":4738,"start_s":4739,"end_s":4740,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},746,"83467","Quiero también enviar un saludo a Cida Pérez y felicitarla por estar presente aquí con nosotros.",5041.3,5046.78,{"idx":4742,"utterance_id":4743,"speaker_name":69,"text":4744,"start_s":4745,"end_s":4746,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},747,"83468","Bueno, y entonces, escucharles a ustedes, Ana, qué cosa, escuchar a estudiantes, escuchar a docentes aquí, nos hace ver la situación tan difícil y desafiante en la que se encuentra, de opresión, una situación de opresión real.",5052.04,5075.46,{"idx":4748,"utterance_id":4749,"speaker_name":69,"text":4750,"start_s":4751,"end_s":4752,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},748,"83469","Y de algo que no queremos, queremos la antítesis de lo que debería ser la educación.",5076.96,5085.16,{"idx":4754,"utterance_id":4755,"speaker_name":69,"text":4756,"start_s":4757,"end_s":4758,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},749,"83470","La educación, André, tienes toda la razón respecto a Paulo Freire: no es la educación bancaria; respeta la cátedra, la libertad de cátedra del profesor en el aula.",5086.72,5097.22,{"idx":4760,"utterance_id":4761,"speaker_name":69,"text":4762,"start_s":4763,"end_s":4764,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},750,"83471","El aprendizaje comienza con la conexión que es afectiva, que es emocional.",5098.24,5111.86,{"idx":4766,"utterance_id":4767,"speaker_name":69,"text":4768,"start_s":4769,"end_s":4770,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},751,"83472","Lo racional y lo cognitivo vienen después.",5112.62,5115.2,{"idx":4772,"utterance_id":4773,"speaker_name":69,"text":4774,"start_s":4775,"end_s":4776,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},752,"83473","Cuando ese afectivo está... respetado, cultivado entre el profesor y sus alumnos.",5115.98,5124.34,{"idx":4778,"utterance_id":4779,"speaker_name":69,"text":4780,"start_s":4781,"end_s":4782,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},753,"83474","La libertad del profesor en el aula es fundamental para que el profesor desarrolle su trabajo y logre que los alumnos aprendan.",5124.74,5133.2,{"idx":4784,"utterance_id":4785,"speaker_name":69,"text":4786,"start_s":4787,"end_s":4788,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},754,"83475","El respeto a la diversidad, y tienes toda la razón, Luciana: el beneficio que aporta la diversidad en la escuela es mutuo.",5133.58,5142.94,{"idx":4790,"utterance_id":4791,"speaker_name":69,"text":4792,"start_s":4793,"end_s":4794,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},755,"83476","Valorar la individualidad de cada uno enriquece la educación, enriquece nuestra sociedad.",5143.68,5148.92,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4796,"speaker_name":69,"text":4797,"start_s":4798,"end_s":4799,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},"83477","De otra manera, vamos a crear autómatas.",5149,5151.56,{"idx":4801,"utterance_id":4802,"speaker_name":69,"text":4803,"start_s":4804,"end_s":4805,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},757,"83478","Y estamos deconstruyendo la educación.",5154.06,5156.18,{"idx":4807,"utterance_id":4808,"speaker_name":69,"text":4809,"start_s":4810,"end_s":4811,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},758,"83479","En fin, creo que se han planteado aquí muchas cosas.",5157.5,5160.86,{"idx":4813,"utterance_id":4814,"speaker_name":69,"text":4815,"start_s":4816,"end_s":4817,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},759,"83480","Levi, creo que tu testimonio es muy importante.",5161.8,5165.72,{"idx":4819,"utterance_id":4820,"speaker_name":69,"text":4821,"start_s":4822,"end_s":4823,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},760,"83481","Las barreras son enormes en nuestra sociedad.",5166.44,5170.1,{"idx":4825,"utterance_id":4826,"speaker_name":69,"text":4827,"start_s":4828,"end_s":4829,"word_count":307,"indexable":74},761,"83482","Y tal vez tu presencia y tu experiencia en los espacios en los que estás sean muy importantes para recordar a quien está allí y puede hacer la diferencia, y cuánto necesitamos avanzar para reducir las barreras de accesibilidad.",5170.7,5186.58,{"idx":4831,"utterance_id":4832,"speaker_name":69,"text":4833,"start_s":4834,"end_s":4835,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},762,"83483","Así que no te rindas, a pesar de las dificultades.",5187.02,5190.28,{"idx":4837,"utterance_id":4838,"speaker_name":69,"text":4839,"start_s":4840,"end_s":4841,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},763,"83484","Bueno, me conmueve mucho todo lo que se ha traído y expuesto aquí.",5191.7,5198.06,{"idx":4843,"utterance_id":4844,"speaker_name":69,"text":4845,"start_s":4846,"end_s":4847,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},764,"83485","Y creo que todo esto es un material muy valioso y muy rico para la construcción del plan de gobierno para el Estado de São Paulo.",5198.88,5208.4,{"idx":4849,"utterance_id":4850,"speaker_name":69,"text":4851,"start_s":4852,"end_s":4853,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},765,"83486","Voy a tocar menos las cuestiones de educación superior, creo que ya se han abordado aquí; también son muy importantes.",5208.44,5213.66,{"idx":4855,"utterance_id":4856,"speaker_name":69,"text":4857,"start_s":4858,"end_s":4859,"word_count":289,"indexable":74},766,"83487","El Estado de São Paulo tiene una gran pujanza con las estatales paulistas, pero, en fin, creo que es muy importante que destaquemos la crítica que existe respecto a la cuestión de la enseñanza media.",5213.72,5226.62,{"idx":4861,"utterance_id":4862,"speaker_name":69,"text":4863,"start_s":4864,"end_s":4865,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},767,"83488","Rosana, qué experiencia has vivido desde el 88 hasta ahora.",5226.68,5230.84,{"idx":4867,"utterance_id":4868,"speaker_name":69,"text":4869,"start_s":4870,"end_s":4871,"word_count":364,"indexable":74},768,"83489","Qué bueno que tuviste esa persistencia y que haya profesores con tanta garra que, cuando ustedes gastan sus paquetes de datos personales, algo que hoy en día a veces es tan difícil para todo el mundo, lo hacen para ayudar a sus alumnos, para aportar una mirada distinta, para abrir la cabeza.",5231.44,5247.44,{"idx":4873,"utterance_id":4874,"speaker_name":69,"text":4875,"start_s":4876,"end_s":4877,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},769,"83490","A Hamilton Santos, en fin.",5248.08,5249.36,{"idx":4879,"utterance_id":4880,"speaker_name":69,"text":4881,"start_s":4882,"end_s":4883,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},770,"83491","Felicitaciones por su trabajo.",5250.76,5252.8,{"idx":4885,"utterance_id":4886,"speaker_name":69,"text":4887,"start_s":4888,"end_s":4889,"word_count":428,"indexable":74},771,"83492","Y lo que quería decirles a todos ustedes, alumnos, docentes, Andressa, en tu cuestión de movilidad, en todas las cuestiones, es que ustedes merecen, no este gobierno que está ahí, sino un gobierno de verdad que pueda atender todas esas demandas tan importantes y tan ricas que han traído aquí.",5253.02,5274.12,{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":69,"text":4893,"start_s":4894,"end_s":4895,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},772,"83493","Y espero que eso pueda suceder.",5274.88,5277.04,{"idx":4897,"utterance_id":4898,"speaker_name":69,"text":4899,"start_s":4900,"end_s":4901,"word_count":440,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":4904,"indexable":244},773,"83494","y que podamos pasar esta página y construir otra historia, una historia alineada con el proyecto de país que defendemos, que muchas políticas públicas ya implementadas por los gobiernos del PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores), del presidente Lula, de la presidenta Dilma, las construyeron, de Haddad aquí en São Paulo y de tantos otros.",5277.98,5300.8,"24bf152c-eaca-42bb-9e3c-821ab9cb079e","retomar y fortalecer políticas públicas implementadas por los gobiernos del PT","defiende el alineamiento del plan de gobierno con políticas ya implementadas por el PT.",{"idx":4906,"utterance_id":4907,"speaker_name":69,"text":4908,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},774,"83495","Que no es nada de lo que está allí, que escucha al pueblo, que escucha a la población y que construye junto con la participación social y con el sentido de pertenencia.",5300.98,5310.24,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":69,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},775,"83496","Entonces, esperemos lo mejor.",5311.08,5313.8,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":69,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},776,"83497","Muchas gracias, Anistela.",5322.74,5323.98,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":69,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},777,"83498","¿Hay un chico que quiera hablar aquí?",5324.84,5326.36,{"idx":4930,"utterance_id":4931,"speaker_name":69,"text":4932,"start_s":4933,"end_s":4934,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},778,"83499","Permiso, permiso.",5327.36,5328.44,{"idx":4936,"utterance_id":4937,"speaker_name":69,"text":4938,"start_s":4939,"end_s":4940,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},779,"83500","Bueno, gente, pido perdón por interrumpir algo que no estaba previsto, pero creo que esto es combatir el sistema.",5329.16,5334.46,{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":69,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},780,"83501","Aprovechar la oportunidad que tienes, que quizás yo no vuelva a tener en bastante tiempo.",5335.1,5338.7,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":69,"text":4950,"start_s":4951,"end_s":4952,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},781,"83502","Haddad, creo que... Obviamente la educación es prioridad total, pero necesito hablar de la violencia policial.",5339.4,5346.54,{"idx":4954,"utterance_id":4955,"speaker_name":69,"text":4956,"start_s":4957,"end_s":4958,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4959,"target_proposition":4960,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":4961,"indexable":244},782,"83503","Necesito hablar de eso, porque sabemos lo que ocurre, que esto pasa desde la época de la dictadura y que ya es un sistema intrínseco en nuestra sociedad, pero en el gobierno de Tarcísio empeoró de una manera absurda.",5346.7,5358.1,"a603256e-7e3f-4663-b249-81f2b6affcad","combatir la violencia policial y la discriminación racial en el policiamiento","critica el agravamiento de la violencia policial en el gobierno de Tarcísio y pide un cambio.",{"idx":4963,"utterance_id":4964,"speaker_name":69,"text":4965,"start_s":4966,"end_s":4967,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},783,"83504","De una manera absurda.",5358.3,5359.32,{"idx":4969,"utterance_id":4970,"speaker_name":69,"text":4971,"start_s":4972,"end_s":4973,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},784,"83505","Y parece que, cada día que pasa, la situación solo empeora.",5359.88,5364.56,{"idx":4975,"utterance_id":4976,"speaker_name":69,"text":4977,"start_s":4978,"end_s":4979,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},785,"83506","Gente, ¿por qué estoy hablando de esto?",5365.04,5366.66,{"idx":4981,"utterance_id":4982,"speaker_name":69,"text":4983,"start_s":4984,"end_s":4985,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},786,"83507","¿El clima con la extrema derecha?",5366.8,5368.1,{"idx":4987,"utterance_id":4988,"speaker_name":69,"text":4989,"start_s":4990,"end_s":4991,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},787,"83508","Estoy hablando desde el corazón.",5368.14,5369.62,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4993,"speaker_name":69,"text":4994,"start_s":4995,"end_s":4996,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},"83509","Es un clima de guerra, gente.",5370.4,5371.46,{"idx":4998,"utterance_id":4999,"speaker_name":69,"text":5000,"start_s":5001,"end_s":5002,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},789,"83510","Y no hablo de violencia, hablo realmente de guerra ideológica.",5371.58,5374.6,{"idx":5004,"utterance_id":5005,"speaker_name":69,"text":5006,"start_s":5007,"end_s":5008,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},790,"83511","Es un clima de guerra.",5375,5375.84,{"idx":5010,"utterance_id":5011,"speaker_name":69,"text":5012,"start_s":5013,"end_s":5014,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},791,"83512","En las últimas manifestaciones de la izquierda a las que fui, había gente preocupada por beber, fumar y divertirse.",5376.34,5381.6,{"idx":5016,"utterance_id":5017,"speaker_name":69,"text":5018,"start_s":5019,"end_s":5020,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},792,"83513","Nos estamos alejando del trabajador.",5382.7,5384.36,{"idx":5022,"utterance_id":5023,"speaker_name":69,"text":5024,"start_s":5025,"end_s":5026,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},793,"83514","Donde trabajo, soy obrero de fábrica.",5384.62,5386.96,{"idx":5028,"utterance_id":5029,"speaker_name":69,"text":5030,"start_s":5031,"end_s":5032,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},794,"83515","Donde trabajo, a los trabajadores... es difícil convencerlos de que no voten por Tarcísio.",5387.02,5390.78,{"idx":5034,"utterance_id":5035,"speaker_name":69,"text":5036,"start_s":5037,"end_s":5038,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},795,"83516","Y estoy en esta lucha de intentar convencer a esa muchachada, pero es complicado.",5391.24,5394.68,{"idx":5040,"utterance_id":5041,"speaker_name":69,"text":5042,"start_s":5043,"end_s":5044,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},796,"83517","Si no hablo de esto aquí, sé que será difícil hablarlo después.",5395.08,5397.94,{"idx":5046,"utterance_id":5047,"speaker_name":69,"text":5048,"start_s":5049,"end_s":5050,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},797,"83518","El otro punto también será rápido.",5398.42,5399.72,{"idx":5052,"utterance_id":5053,"speaker_name":69,"text":5054,"start_s":5055,"end_s":5056,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},798,"83519","para concluir.",5399.78,5400.34,{"idx":5058,"utterance_id":5059,"speaker_name":69,"text":5060,"start_s":5061,"end_s":5062,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},799,"83520","He conseguido, en los últimos diez años de mi trayectoria en las luchas de São Paulo, frecuentar algunos eventos de izquierda.",5401,5408.74,{"idx":5064,"utterance_id":5065,"speaker_name":69,"text":5066,"start_s":5067,"end_s":5068,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},800,"83521","Y hablo de corazón.",5408.78,5409.82,{"idx":5070,"utterance_id":5071,"speaker_name":69,"text":5072,"start_s":5073,"end_s":5074,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},801,"83522","Vi a mucha gente que no mira solo a mí, sino también a mis otros hermanos artistas, con desprecio por no formar parte de ese ambiente.",5410.3,5416.28,{"idx":5076,"utterance_id":5077,"speaker_name":69,"text":5078,"start_s":5079,"end_s":5080,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},802,"83523","dentro de la izquierda.",5416.84,5417.84,{"idx":5082,"utterance_id":5083,"speaker_name":69,"text":5084,"start_s":5085,"end_s":5086,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4705,"topic_label":4706,"target_id":5087,"target_proposition":5088,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":5089,"indexable":74},803,"83524","Ustedes están perdiendo jóvenes para el MBL por eso.",5418.8,5421.86,"48a7947d-4eb0-4584-8310-e78e5ee4254d","reconquistar e involucrar a jóvenes electores hacia la izquierda","alerta que los jóvenes se están yendo al MBL y pide una reacción política.",{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":69,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},804,"83525","Eso no puede pasar de ninguna manera.",5422.2,5423.9,{"idx":5097,"utterance_id":5098,"speaker_name":69,"text":5099,"start_s":5100,"end_s":5101,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},805,"83526","Mira al chico que está a tu lado.",5424.64,5425.82,{"idx":5103,"utterance_id":5104,"speaker_name":69,"text":5105,"start_s":5106,"end_s":5107,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},806,"83527","No necesitas abrazarlo ni ser amable, pero fíjate si está cómodo.",5425.86,5428.84,{"idx":5109,"utterance_id":5110,"speaker_name":69,"text":5111,"start_s":5112,"end_s":5113,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},807,"83528","Déjalo hablar.",5429.22,5429.92,{"idx":5115,"utterance_id":5116,"speaker_name":69,"text":5117,"start_s":5118,"end_s":5119,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},808,"83529","Es una oportunidad única.",5430.24,5431.38,{"idx":5121,"utterance_id":5122,"speaker_name":69,"text":5123,"start_s":5124,"end_s":5125,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},809,"83530","Estamos perdiendo la guerra.",5431.66,5432.66,{"idx":5127,"utterance_id":5128,"speaker_name":69,"text":5129,"start_s":5130,"end_s":5131,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},810,"83531","Veo muchachos que estudiaron conmigo que hoy se están afiliando a la omisión.",5432.7,5436.36,{"idx":5133,"utterance_id":5134,"speaker_name":69,"text":5135,"start_s":5136,"end_s":5137,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},811,"83532","Estamos perdiendo.",5436.68,5437.6,{"idx":5139,"utterance_id":5140,"speaker_name":69,"text":5141,"start_s":5142,"end_s":5143,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4959,"target_proposition":4960,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5144,"indexable":244},812,"83533","Tengo hermanos muriendo, recibiendo bofetadas de la PM por la noche, que no pueden decir nada.",5437.94,5441.7,"relata experiencia personal de violencia policial, relato descriptivo.",{"idx":5146,"utterance_id":5147,"speaker_name":69,"text":5148,"start_s":5149,"end_s":5150,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},813,"83534","Si no abro mi celular de noche cuando vuelvo a casa, es una bofetada en la cara.",5442.12,5445.22,{"idx":5152,"utterance_id":5153,"speaker_name":69,"text":5154,"start_s":5155,"end_s":5156,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},814,"83535","No existe una constitución que me proteja.",5445.28,5447.2,{"idx":5158,"utterance_id":5159,"speaker_name":69,"text":5160,"start_s":5161,"end_s":5162,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},815,"83536","Eso es lo que tengo que decir, gente.",5447.78,5448.94,{"idx":5164,"utterance_id":5165,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":5166,"end_s":5167,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},816,"83537",5449,5449.6,{"idx":5169,"utterance_id":5170,"speaker_name":69,"text":5171,"start_s":5172,"end_s":5173,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},817,"83538","Ustedes, aquí.",5454.64,5456.12,{"idx":5175,"utterance_id":5176,"speaker_name":69,"text":5177,"start_s":5178,"end_s":5179,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},818,"83539","Ya que los hemos interrumpido, voy a necesitar interrumpir un poco más, ¿cierto?",5458.08,5460.82,{"idx":5181,"utterance_id":5182,"speaker_name":69,"text":5183,"start_s":5184,"end_s":5185,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},819,"83540","Esperé esta oportunidad y creo que no voy a tener otra así en mucho tiempo.",5461,5463.82,{"idx":5187,"utterance_id":5188,"speaker_name":69,"text":5189,"start_s":5190,"end_s":5191,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},820,"83541","Primero, buenas tardes a todos.",5464.94,5466.78,{"idx":5193,"utterance_id":5194,"speaker_name":69,"text":5195,"start_s":5196,"end_s":5197,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},821,"83542","Zona Oeste presente, Morro do Macaco presente.",5466.86,5468.9,{"idx":5199,"utterance_id":5200,"speaker_name":69,"text":5201,"start_s":5202,"end_s":5203,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":5204,"topic_label":5205,"target_id":5206,"target_proposition":5207,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":5208,"indexable":244},822,"83543","Cuando hablamos de educación, creo que no se puede hablar de educación sin hablar del hambre.",5469.56,5475.36,"seguranca-alimentar","Seguridad alimentaria","6704aa4d-00af-4d4a-8981-33c989e545c8","implementar y ampliar programas de alimentación escolar y políticas para combatir el hambre entre estudiantes","afirma que nadie aprende con el estómago vacío, defendiendo políticas de alimentación escolar.",{"idx":5210,"utterance_id":5211,"speaker_name":69,"text":5212,"start_s":5213,"end_s":5214,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},823,"83544","Nadie aprende nada con el estómago vacío.",5475.88,5477.7,{"idx":5216,"utterance_id":5217,"speaker_name":69,"text":5218,"start_s":5219,"end_s":5220,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},824,"83545","Porque lo que aprendí en mi escuela, Escola Estadual Batista Cepelos, en Cotia, escuela estatal: lo que aprendí con hambre fue que, si no tienes opción, vas a dejar la escuela y acabarás en la venta de drogas.",5478.12,5489.08,{"idx":5222,"utterance_id":5223,"speaker_name":69,"text":5224,"start_s":5225,"end_s":5226,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},825,"83546","Con 12 años, no podía concentrarme en la escuela porque estaba muy ocupado.",5490.4,5494.34,{"idx":5228,"utterance_id":5229,"speaker_name":69,"text":5230,"start_s":5231,"end_s":5232,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},826,"83547","intentando convencer a mi amigo Renan de que no se matara porque estaba enganchado a la cocaína.",5494.86,5498.96,{"idx":5234,"utterance_id":5235,"speaker_name":69,"text":5236,"start_s":5237,"end_s":5238,"word_count":487,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5239,"target_proposition":5240,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":5241,"indexable":244},827,"83548","Entonces, quiero exigir una postura que no sea un paliativo, que no sea una solución provisional para nuestro problema en la educación, para nuestro problema en la infraestructura, porque quien vive el día a día, quien es pueblo... como yo, como mi hermano aquí al lado sabe, la Constitución brasileña en nuestro país es una broma, porque nada se respeta.",5499.9,5522.06,"47e7bbe6-d082-487d-bf4a-81be536f6294","adoptar políticas estructurales para la educación pública","exige una posición no paliativa frente al problema de la educación.",{"idx":5243,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":69,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},828,"83549","El derecho divino existe, ¿cierto?",5522.5,5524.34,{"idx":5249,"utterance_id":5250,"speaker_name":69,"text":5251,"start_s":5252,"end_s":5253,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4959,"target_proposition":4960,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":5254,"indexable":74},829,"83550","La violencia policial es constante.",5524.44,5526.02,"relata la ocurrencia continua de violencia policial, sin proponer acción explícita.",{"idx":5256,"utterance_id":5257,"speaker_name":69,"text":5258,"start_s":5259,"end_s":5260,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":5261,"topic_label":5262,"target_id":5263,"target_proposition":5264,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":5265,"indexable":74},830,"83551","No tenemos acceso a la vivienda si no nos esforzamos como esclavos para poder pagarla.",5526.28,5531.22,"politica-de-habitacao","Política de vivienda","c46868a7-7f85-4c3b-a4cf-00929fb85222","garantizar el acceso a la vivienda para personas LGBT","declara la falta de acceso a la vivienda como descripción de la realidad.",{"idx":5267,"utterance_id":5268,"speaker_name":69,"text":5269,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5271,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":5204,"topic_label":5205,"target_id":5272,"target_proposition":5273,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":5274,"indexable":74},831,"83552","No tenemos acceso a la comida adecuadamente, ¿cierto?",5531.56,5533.72,"a6a83b7a-f4a7-463a-b937-1ccc0b72face","garantizar seguridad alimentaria para familias en situación de vulnerabilidad","relata falta de acceso a la comida, sin proponer política explícita.",{"idx":5276,"utterance_id":5277,"speaker_name":69,"text":5278,"start_s":5279,"end_s":5280,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},832,"83553","No quería hablar en este tono.",5534.02,5535.64,{"idx":5282,"utterance_id":5283,"speaker_name":69,"text":5284,"start_s":5285,"end_s":5286,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":5287,"target_proposition":5288,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":4181,"rationale":5289,"indexable":74},833,"83554","pero es el tono de una persona que lleva seis meses sobreviviendo con una comida al día, trabajando en repartos, trabajando de ayudante de albañil, trabajando en fábrica, haciendo todo lo que pude para sobrevivir.",5536.1,5546.84,"642d9b44-2b7a-40cf-bb42-ac23fd0653ed","ampliar el alcance de las políticas públicas a las poblaciones vulnerables","descripción de supervivencia precaria y trabajo informal, sin propuesta directa.",{"idx":5291,"utterance_id":5292,"speaker_name":69,"text":5293,"start_s":5294,"end_s":5295,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5296,"target_proposition":5297,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":5298,"indexable":74},834,"83555","No pude terminar la enseñanza media, porque la enseñanza media se transformó, la escuela donde estudiaba se volvió una escuela de jornada completa y ya no pude continuar.",5547.36,5555.92,"3067d428-77e2-4080-8106-568c4384000a","apoyar la permanencia escolar de jóvenes mediante programas","relata no haber concluido la escuela secundaria por un cambio en el formato escolar.",{"idx":5300,"utterance_id":5301,"speaker_name":69,"text":5302,"start_s":5303,"end_s":5304,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5305,"target_proposition":5306,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":5307,"indexable":74},835,"83556","Estoy en mi lucha diaria para poder estudiar, ver si puedo hacer el ENSEJA y terminar mis estudios y no repetir.",5556.36,5563.08,"1b9f9151-e604-4fba-9db2-fa1b3f92d7a8","expandir programas de educación de jóvenes y adultos (EJA)","habla sobre esfuerzos personales para concluir la educación vía ENSEJA, sin proponer política explícita.",{"idx":5309,"utterance_id":5310,"speaker_name":69,"text":5311,"start_s":5312,"end_s":5313,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":5314,"topic_label":5315,"target_id":5316,"target_proposition":5317,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":4173,"rationale":5318,"indexable":74},836,"83557","El ciclo de mi familia, que desafortunadamente es un ciclo muy triste de un abuelo y un padre ex-presidiario, y tratar de escapar de ese ciclo de violencia.",5563.68,5571.02,"atuacao-das-instituicoes-de-seguranca-e-justica","Instituciones de Seguridad y Justicia","4650cd94-607e-4c24-bfcc-0753ef7084ba","implementar políticas de reintegración social para egresados del sistema penitenciario","menciona el ciclo familiar de exreclusos y el intento de huir de la violencia.",{"idx":5320,"utterance_id":5321,"speaker_name":69,"text":5322,"start_s":5323,"end_s":5324,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5325,"target_proposition":5326,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5327,"indexable":244},837,"83558","Solo quiero decir que es muy difícil concentrarse en la educación cuando hay violencia, y el ciclo de la violencia te persigue todo el tiempo.",5571.36,5576.58,"4ce065e8-e956-494d-87bc-27d999fb35a2","garantizar orden y disciplina en las aulas","afirma que es difícil enfocarse en educación ante la violencia, sin indicar medida concreta.",{"idx":5329,"utterance_id":5330,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":5331,"end_s":5332,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},838,"83559",5577.32,5577.8,{"idx":5334,"utterance_id":5335,"speaker_name":69,"text":5336,"start_s":5337,"end_s":5338,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},839,"83560","¿Cuál es tu nombre?",5582.56,5583.24,{"idx":5340,"utterance_id":5341,"speaker_name":69,"text":5336,"start_s":5342,"end_s":5343,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},840,"83561",5584.68,5585.22,{"idx":5345,"utterance_id":5346,"speaker_name":69,"text":5347,"start_s":5348,"end_s":5349,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},841,"83562","¿Y Jôzinho?",5587.4,5588.14,{"idx":5351,"utterance_id":5352,"speaker_name":69,"text":5353,"start_s":5354,"end_s":5355,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},842,"83563","¿Magnólio?",5590,5590.52,{"idx":5357,"utterance_id":5358,"speaker_name":69,"text":5359,"start_s":5360,"end_s":5361,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},843,"83564","Muchas gracias por sus intervenciones.",5591.82,5593.76,{"idx":5363,"utterance_id":5364,"speaker_name":69,"text":5365,"start_s":5366,"end_s":5367,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},844,"83565","Fue muy importante, sí.",5594.26,5595.68,{"idx":5369,"utterance_id":5370,"speaker_name":69,"text":5371,"start_s":5372,"end_s":5373,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},845,"83566","Sé que hay mucha más gente queriendo hablar, pero tenemos un tiempo.",5595.82,5600.82,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5375,"speaker_name":69,"text":5376,"start_s":5377,"end_s":5378,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"83567","Entonces, tendremos que cumplir ese tiempo, gente.",5601.16,5603.86,{"idx":5380,"utterance_id":5381,"speaker_name":69,"text":5382,"start_s":5383,"end_s":5384,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},847,"83568","Tiempo de estudio, tiempo de nuestros invitados.",5603.92,5606.94,{"idx":5386,"utterance_id":5387,"speaker_name":69,"text":5388,"start_s":5389,"end_s":5390,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},848,"83569","Entonces, voy a continuar aquí.",5607.22,5609.08,{"idx":5392,"utterance_id":5393,"speaker_name":69,"text":5394,"start_s":5395,"end_s":5396,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},849,"83570","Les pido permiso para seguir con el evento.",5609.68,5612.24,{"idx":5398,"utterance_id":5399,"speaker_name":69,"text":5400,"start_s":5401,"end_s":5402,"word_count":117,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5403,"target_proposition":5404,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":5405,"indexable":74},850,"83571","La educación nunca es un tema aislado.",5612.38,5616.48,"a38e58a8-b76f-4c02-971d-3d725f384d82","integrar políticas públicas de educación con seguridad y alimentación","afirma que la educación nunca es un tema aislado y la relaciona con la seguridad y la alimentación.",{"idx":5407,"utterance_id":5408,"speaker_name":69,"text":5409,"start_s":5410,"end_s":5411,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":5403,"target_proposition":5404,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":4173,"rationale":5412,"indexable":74},851,"83572","Estamos hablando... de seguridad, estamos hablando de alimentación.",5616.82,5622.84,"relaciona la educación con la seguridad y la alimentación como temas conectados.",{"idx":5414,"utterance_id":5415,"speaker_name":69,"text":5416,"start_s":5417,"end_s":5418,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":5419,"target_proposition":5420,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":5421,"indexable":244},852,"83573","Son varias cosas que van juntas, que tienen que estar juntas.",5623.28,5628.16,"829781bb-dbb7-40d6-b001-12fdc4b6a23e","integrar políticas de educación, seguridad y alimentación en la acción gubernamental","dice que son varias cosas que deben estar juntas, defendiendo la integración.",{"idx":5423,"utterance_id":5424,"speaker_name":69,"text":5425,"start_s":5426,"end_s":5427,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},853,"83574","Derechos básicos.",5628.4,5629.54,{"idx":5429,"utterance_id":5430,"speaker_name":69,"text":5431,"start_s":5432,"end_s":5433,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5434,"target_proposition":5435,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":5436,"indexable":74},854,"83575","Está ligado al desarrollo, a la reducción de las desigualdades, a la protección de la democracia y a la construcción del futuro.",5629.58,5637,"78648ec4-9def-48f8-b83a-9109e911d738","garantizar oportunidades educativas equitativas para jóvenes de bajos ingresos","vincula la educación al desarrollo y a la reducción de desigualdades, sin acción concreta.",{"idx":5438,"utterance_id":5439,"speaker_name":69,"text":5440,"start_s":5441,"end_s":5442,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},855,"83576","Por eso, invito a Marina Silva ahora a hablar con nosotros.",5637.52,5641.34,{"idx":5444,"utterance_id":5445,"speaker_name":69,"text":5446,"start_s":5447,"end_s":5448,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},856,"83577","Una de las mayores referencias del país cuando hablamos de desarrollo humano y justicia social.",5641.64,5647.68,{"idx":5450,"utterance_id":5451,"speaker_name":69,"text":5452,"start_s":5453,"end_s":5454,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},857,"83578","Por favor, Marina.",5648.24,5649.1,{"idx":5456,"utterance_id":5457,"speaker_name":69,"text":5458,"start_s":5459,"end_s":5460,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},858,"83579","Bueno, gente.",5655.44,5656.1,{"idx":5462,"utterance_id":5463,"speaker_name":69,"text":5464,"start_s":5465,"end_s":5466,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},859,"83580","Es muy potente.",5659.44,5660.24,{"idx":5468,"utterance_id":5469,"speaker_name":69,"text":5470,"start_s":5471,"end_s":5472,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},860,"83581","Todo lo que se presentó aquí, no hay manera de no quedar profundamente conmovido con los testimonios de madres, alumnos y profesores.",5660.32,5672.06,{"idx":5474,"utterance_id":5475,"speaker_name":69,"text":5476,"start_s":5477,"end_s":5478,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},861,"83582","La educación, de hecho, es lo que marca la diferencia, es lo que crea igualdad de oportunidades; por eso estoy muy feliz de estar aquí al lado de la querida Estela Haddad.",5672.8,5685.06,{"idx":5480,"utterance_id":5481,"speaker_name":69,"text":5482,"start_s":5483,"end_s":5484,"word_count":354,"indexable":74},862,"83583","Una mujer comprometida con la agenda de inclusión, de calidad, y al lado de un gran profesor y un gran ministro de Educación, que, con la ayuda de Dios y del pueblo del Estado de São Paulo, habrá de ser un gran gobernador, para dar",5685.78,5708.46,{"idx":5486,"utterance_id":5487,"speaker_name":69,"text":5488,"start_s":5489,"end_s":5490,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},863,"83584","respuesta",5708.5,5709.22,{"idx":5492,"utterance_id":5493,"speaker_name":69,"text":5494,"start_s":5495,"end_s":5496,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},864,"83585","a todo esto que se expuso aquí.",5709.3,5711.16,{"idx":5498,"utterance_id":5499,"speaker_name":69,"text":5500,"start_s":5501,"end_s":5502,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},865,"83586","Al escuchar los testimonios, uno, claro, tiene aquí una riqueza inmensa que no puede ser sustituida por ningún documento que recibiéramos de nuestros mejores técnicos, ¿no es así, Cida?",5712.48,5729.3,{"idx":5504,"utterance_id":5505,"speaker_name":69,"text":5506,"start_s":5507,"end_s":5508,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},866,"83587","Y usted mismo aquí, en la posición de una persona que está escuchando y aprendiendo, estoy segura, ¿no es así?",5729.36,5736.68,{"idx":5510,"utterance_id":5511,"speaker_name":69,"text":5512,"start_s":5513,"end_s":5514,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},867,"83588","Tenemos técnicos con mucha capacidad para elaborar informes, propuestas y directrices que abordarían todos esos asuntos.",5736.9,5747.6,{"idx":5516,"utterance_id":5517,"speaker_name":69,"text":5518,"start_s":5519,"end_s":5520,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},868,"83589","Pero no tendrían alma, no tendrían rostro, no tendrían forma si no fuera por el testimonio de ustedes aquí, con la competencia con que se dieron esos testimonios.",5748.04,5761.58,{"idx":5522,"utterance_id":5523,"speaker_name":69,"text":5524,"start_s":5525,"end_s":5526,"word_count":395,"indexable":74},869,"83590","Por lo tanto, lo que ocurrió aquí... y que toca a mí, a Haddad, a Estela, a la querida Simone Tebet, que está en otra agenda y no pudo estar aquí, nosotros nos estamos dividiendo en varias frentes, junto con nuestro vicepresidente, Márcio França; no puede ser algo reportado.",5762.08,5782.92,{"idx":5528,"utterance_id":5529,"speaker_name":69,"text":5530,"start_s":5531,"end_s":5532,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},870,"83591","La realidad no puede ser reportada.",5783.14,5786.08,{"idx":5534,"utterance_id":5535,"speaker_name":69,"text":5536,"start_s":5537,"end_s":5538,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},871,"83592","La realidad tiene que ser esa que nosotros integramos directamente.",5786.54,5790.32,{"idx":5540,"utterance_id":5541,"speaker_name":69,"text":5542,"start_s":5543,"end_s":5544,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":5547,"indexable":244},872,"83593","Esto es una demostración de que las plataformas son solo herramientas.",5790.36,5795.44,"a133b9aa-ccef-48b1-b552-72eedd1fdc4c","poner la tecnología al servicio del docente y del alumno","declara que las plataformas son solo herramientas y no sustituyen a las personas.",{"idx":5549,"utterance_id":5550,"speaker_name":69,"text":5551,"start_s":5552,"end_s":5553,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":5554,"indexable":74},873,"83594","No sustituyen a las personas.",5795.9,5798.84,"afirma explícitamente que las plataformas no sustituyen a las personas.",{"idx":5556,"utterance_id":5557,"speaker_name":69,"text":5558,"start_s":5559,"end_s":5560,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":5561,"indexable":244},874,"83595","La educación no es una educación que pueda llevarse a cabo solo mediante plataformas.",5799.42,5805.44,"niega que la educación pueda realizarse solo con plataformas, defendiendo el papel del profesor.",{"idx":5563,"utterance_id":5564,"speaker_name":69,"text":5565,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5567,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":5568,"indexable":244},875,"83596","Debería estar al servicio del profesor, al servicio del alumno, y no al revés.",5805.84,5812.22,"defiende que la tecnología debe estar al servicio del profesor y del alumno.",{"idx":5570,"utterance_id":5571,"speaker_name":69,"text":5572,"start_s":5573,"end_s":5574,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":5575,"indexable":244},876,"83597","Los profesores, los alumnos al servicio de las plataformas.",5813.02,5817.06,"critica la inversión en la que los profesores quedan al servicio de las plataformas.",{"idx":5577,"utterance_id":5578,"speaker_name":69,"text":5579,"start_s":5580,"end_s":5581,"word_count":97,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":5582,"indexable":74},877,"83598","Es una inversión perversa.",5817.18,5819.94,"llama perversa a la inversión (profesor al servicio de la plataforma), postura contraria.",{"idx":5584,"utterance_id":5585,"speaker_name":69,"text":5586,"start_s":5587,"end_s":5588,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5589,"target_proposition":5590,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5591,"indexable":244},878,"83599","Y todo esto que estamos viviendo se agrava además por esa censura que expulsa la creatividad del proceso de enseñanza y aprendizaje.",5820.68,5832.34,"8d6fe08e-e130-4cd4-8495-d17ca276b50f","proteger la libertad de enseñanza y combatir la censura en el currículo escolar","afirma que la censura agrava la pérdida de creatividad en la enseñanza, sin proponer medida explícita.",{"idx":893,"utterance_id":5593,"speaker_name":69,"text":5594,"start_s":5595,"end_s":5596,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"83600","Ustedes saben, mucha gente que conoce mi historia: fui alfabetizada a los 16 años.",5832.38,5838.58,{"idx":5598,"utterance_id":5599,"speaker_name":69,"text":5600,"start_s":5601,"end_s":5602,"word_count":370,"indexable":74},880,"83601","Hice una obra, soy pletivo de primer y segundo grado, soy licenciada en Historia, también soy profesora por la Universidade Federal do Acre, tengo una especialización en psicopedagogía, y sé, de alguna manera, todo lo que está en juego en esos testimonios tan potentes que se han dado aquí.",5839.02,5859.44,{"idx":5604,"utterance_id":5605,"speaker_name":69,"text":5606,"start_s":5607,"end_s":5608,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":5611,"indexable":244},881,"83602","Pero me quedo pensando: si existe una enseñanza estándar, esa enseñanza está totalmente desregulada.",5859.92,5868.14,"c1d7d680-f8df-4983-86c2-74df75a06e29","preservar la diversidad curricular y la creatividad en la enseñanza pública","critica la enseñanza estándar y defiende la singularidad y la creatividad en la educación.",{"idx":5613,"utterance_id":5614,"speaker_name":69,"text":5615,"start_s":5616,"end_s":5617,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},882,"83603","Porque los seres humanos no son estandarizados.",5868.54,5871.28,{"idx":5619,"utterance_id":5620,"speaker_name":69,"text":5621,"start_s":5622,"end_s":5623,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},883,"83604","La enseñanza estándar solo se aplicaría si fuéramos la misma persona, si no tuviéramos singularidad.",5872.14,5878.8,{"idx":5625,"utterance_id":5626,"speaker_name":69,"text":5627,"start_s":5628,"end_s":5629,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},884,"83605","Tenemos singularidades.",5879.2,5880.64,{"idx":5631,"utterance_id":5632,"speaker_name":69,"text":5633,"start_s":5634,"end_s":5635,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},885,"83606","Cuando ingresé en mi universidad, tuve una experiencia que fue la siguiente.",5880.68,5885.12,{"idx":5637,"utterance_id":5638,"speaker_name":69,"text":5639,"start_s":5640,"end_s":5641,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},886,"83607","La mayoría de mis profesores: unos eran de la escuela positivista, otros de la escuela marxista-leninista y otros provenían de una visión más hegeliana en el enfoque de la enseñanza.",5885.64,5898.6,{"idx":5643,"utterance_id":5644,"speaker_name":69,"text":5645,"start_s":5646,"end_s":5647,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},887,"83608","Y, de repente, una profesora de antropología del estado de Paraná me presentó la obra de Edgar Morin.",5899.46,5908.58,{"idx":5649,"utterance_id":5650,"speaker_name":69,"text":5651,"start_s":5652,"end_s":5653,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},888,"83609","Y, a través de él, llegué a la obra de Deleuze y Guattari.",5908.62,5913.88,{"idx":5655,"utterance_id":5656,"speaker_name":69,"text":5657,"start_s":5658,"end_s":5659,"word_count":289,"indexable":74},889,"83610","Y, a través de esas personas, a las que estoy muy agradecida, me formé... toda mi formación, inclusive mi formación política, que creo que me salvó de muchas cosas, al menos desde mi perspectiva.",5913.94,5929.64,{"idx":5661,"utterance_id":5662,"speaker_name":69,"text":5663,"start_s":5664,"end_s":5665,"word_count":402,"indexable":74},890,"83611","Ahora, me imagino: si existiese una plataforma que prohibiera, que bloqueara a la profesora Lúcia Helena para que me presentara la obra de Edgar Morin, que en aquella época era casi proscrita, porque no se le consideraba un autor, digamos... De esa época surgió un pensamiento que fue la teoría del pensamiento complejo.",5930.08,5951.16,{"idx":5667,"utterance_id":5668,"speaker_name":69,"text":5669,"start_s":5670,"end_s":5671,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},891,"83612","Entonces, la creatividad es algo que debe estar presente; la enseñanza es singular.",5951.56,5959.32,{"idx":5673,"utterance_id":5674,"speaker_name":69,"text":5675,"start_s":5676,"end_s":5677,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5678,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":5679,"indexable":244},892,"83613","Por tanto, esa forma de estandarizar rompe algo que es terrible: rompe el lazo social.",5959.68,5967.06,"cdd35a77-2b0b-4664-b3aa-188fa87d3bd0","afirma que estandarizar rompe el lazo social y perjudica la formación humana.",{"idx":5681,"utterance_id":5682,"speaker_name":69,"text":5683,"start_s":5684,"end_s":5685,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},893,"83614","Cuando rompes el lazo social, ya no estás formando seres humanos.",5967.86,5971.86,{"idx":5687,"utterance_id":5688,"speaker_name":69,"text":5689,"start_s":5690,"end_s":5691,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},894,"83615","Los seres humanos se forman por lazo.",5972.42,5974.52,{"idx":5693,"utterance_id":5694,"speaker_name":69,"text":5695,"start_s":5696,"end_s":5697,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},895,"83616","Hay procesos de identificación entre profesor y alumno.",5975,5979.7,{"idx":5699,"utterance_id":5700,"speaker_name":69,"text":5701,"start_s":5702,"end_s":5703,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},896,"83617","Cuando ese proceso de identificación no se crea, antes de formarse el lazo ya está roto; no se logra... no se pueden crear ideales identificatorios.",5980.14,5991.9,{"idx":5705,"utterance_id":5706,"speaker_name":69,"text":5707,"start_s":5708,"end_s":5709,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5609,"target_proposition":5610,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":5710,"indexable":244},897,"83618","Por lo tanto, es una forma perversa de hacer que los alumnos que están en la red pública sean formados como si fueran sacos de estopa.",5992.26,6003.04,"afirma que la estandarización convierte a los alumnos en 'saco de estopa', criticando la práctica.",{"idx":5712,"utterance_id":5713,"speaker_name":69,"text":5714,"start_s":5715,"end_s":5716,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},898,"83619","Y somos seres humanos diferentes.",6003.46,6005.88,{"idx":5718,"utterance_id":5719,"speaker_name":69,"text":5720,"start_s":5721,"end_s":5722,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},899,"83620","Dudo que las personas en las escuelas privadas, en la enseñanza privada, por más que usen tecnología, estén recibiendo conocimiento estandarizado.",6006.58,6017,{"idx":5724,"utterance_id":5725,"speaker_name":69,"text":5726,"start_s":5727,"end_s":5728,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},900,"83621","No lo están.",6017.14,6017.68,{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":69,"text":5732,"start_s":5733,"end_s":5734,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},901,"83622","Tienen conocimiento personalizado.",6018.2,6020.38,{"idx":5736,"utterance_id":5737,"speaker_name":69,"text":5738,"start_s":5739,"end_s":5740,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":5741,"indexable":244},902,"83623","Por mi parte, estoy segura —del filósofo, economista y profesor Fernando Haddad, y de todos nosotros que estamos aquí— de que la tecnología estará al servicio.",6020.7,6032.34,"declara que la tecnología debe estar al servicio, postura afirmada por Haddad.",{"idx":5743,"utterance_id":5744,"speaker_name":69,"text":5745,"start_s":5746,"end_s":5747,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":5748,"target_proposition":5749,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":5750,"indexable":244},903,"83624","Otra cosa, para concluir: esa visión de gente que trata al gobierno como si fuera una empresa, que se comporta diciendo que no es política y que es CEO.",6032.84,6043.68,"7af5f1fe-4c24-48e2-99a4-330aaac382d1","evitar tratar al gobierno como una empresa y preservar el carácter público de la gestión","critica la visión de gobierno-empresa y del CEO como modelo de gestión pública.",{"idx":5752,"utterance_id":5753,"speaker_name":69,"text":5754,"start_s":5755,"end_s":5756,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},904,"83625","¿Cierto?",6045.92,6046.4,{"idx":5758,"utterance_id":5759,"speaker_name":69,"text":5760,"start_s":5761,"end_s":5762,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},905,"83626","Eso es en lo que termina.",6046.78,6047.54,{"idx":5764,"utterance_id":5765,"speaker_name":69,"text":5760,"start_s":5766,"end_s":5767,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},906,"83627",6048.52,6049.2,{"idx":5769,"utterance_id":5770,"speaker_name":69,"text":5771,"start_s":5772,"end_s":5773,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},907,"83628","No saben lo que dicen, no saben lo que hacen.",6049.42,6053.36,{"idx":5775,"utterance_id":5776,"speaker_name":69,"text":5777,"start_s":5778,"end_s":5779,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},908,"83629","Y además, hay un problema.",6053.8,6056.16,{"idx":5781,"utterance_id":5782,"speaker_name":69,"text":5783,"start_s":5784,"end_s":5785,"word_count":117,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5786,"target_proposition":5787,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":5788,"indexable":74},909,"83630","Invertir en educación es un gran emprendimiento.",6056.84,6060.2,"a83a9240-1b7b-45c9-b6fa-6f265a95c462","tratar las escuelas como espacios públicos, no como empresas","afirma que la escuela, incluso privada, no es una empresa y afecta vidas.",{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":69,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},910,"83631","Tal vez uno de los mayores emprendimientos.",6060.62,6063.02,{"idx":5796,"utterance_id":5797,"speaker_name":69,"text":5798,"start_s":5799,"end_s":5800,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},911,"83632","Pero la educación, la escuela, incluso las privadas, no son empresas.",6063.44,6069.22,{"idx":5802,"utterance_id":5803,"speaker_name":69,"text":5804,"start_s":5805,"end_s":5806,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},912,"83633","Son lugares en los que se está tratando con la vida, el futuro, la emoción, la visión de las personas.",6069.84,6077.44,{"idx":5808,"utterance_id":5809,"speaker_name":69,"text":5810,"start_s":5811,"end_s":5812,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},913,"83634","Y, como profesora, solo tengo que agradecerles a ustedes que resisten.",6077.94,6082.2,{"idx":5814,"utterance_id":5815,"speaker_name":69,"text":5816,"start_s":5817,"end_s":5818,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},914,"83635","Cuando decimos 'no doy más, estoy enferma', hay muchas cosas.",6082.56,6087.4,{"idx":5820,"utterance_id":5821,"speaker_name":69,"text":5822,"start_s":5823,"end_s":5824,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},915,"83636","Hoy todo recae sobre el profesor.",6087.66,6089.46,{"idx":5826,"utterance_id":5827,"speaker_name":69,"text":5828,"start_s":5829,"end_s":5830,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},916,"83637","Todo.",6089.66,6089.88,{"idx":5832,"utterance_id":5833,"speaker_name":69,"text":5834,"start_s":5835,"end_s":5836,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5837,"topic_label":5838,"target_id":5839,"target_proposition":5840,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":5841,"indexable":244},917,"83638","Los problemas de la sociedad, el profesor tiene que afrontarlos.",6091.06,6093.96,"educacao-e-saude","Educación y Salud","8d3c5320-6398-46bc-9b17-1fb2ba6105b0","reducir la sobrecarga de atribuciones de los docentes y proporcionar apoyo social","dice que los problemas sociales se descargan sobre el profesor, pidiendo un cambio.",{"idx":5843,"utterance_id":5844,"speaker_name":69,"text":5845,"start_s":5846,"end_s":5847,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},918,"83639","¿Qué hicieron?",6094.02,6094.98,{"idx":5849,"utterance_id":5850,"speaker_name":69,"text":5851,"start_s":5852,"end_s":5853,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},919,"83640","Ni siquiera eso.",6095.4,6095.78,{"idx":5855,"utterance_id":5856,"speaker_name":69,"text":5857,"start_s":5858,"end_s":5859,"word_count":97,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":5860,"indexable":74},920,"83641","Los niños tienen más.",6095.84,6096.98,"cuestiona si la plataforma atenderá las necesidades de los niños, criticando la sustitución.",{"idx":5862,"utterance_id":5863,"speaker_name":69,"text":5864,"start_s":5865,"end_s":5866,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},921,"83642","¿La plataforma va a poder con eso?",6097.48,6099.22,{"idx":5868,"utterance_id":5869,"speaker_name":69,"text":5870,"start_s":5871,"end_s":5872,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},922,"83643","¿La plataforma tiene experiencia para traer esa experiencia a la luz de la demanda que se presenta en el aula?",6099.68,6108.3,{"idx":5874,"utterance_id":5875,"speaker_name":69,"text":5876,"start_s":5877,"end_s":5878,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},923,"83644","No la tiene.",6108.76,6109.36,{"idx":5880,"utterance_id":5881,"speaker_name":69,"text":5882,"start_s":5883,"end_s":5884,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5885,"target_proposition":5886,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":5887,"rationale":5888,"indexable":74},924,"83645","Por lo tanto, solo quiero felicitarlos.",6109.76,6112.62,"310d04b3-6e99-4e63-8117-58770e48a9dc","mantener y aumentar recursos para la educación pública",0.74,"felicita la resistencia y dice que habremos de cambiar esa realidad.",{"idx":5890,"utterance_id":5891,"speaker_name":69,"text":5892,"start_s":5893,"end_s":5894,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},925,"83646","Aquí, los que resisten, y es solo cuestión de tiempo, nos están subestimando.",6113.08,6118.18,{"idx":5896,"utterance_id":5897,"speaker_name":69,"text":5898,"start_s":5899,"end_s":5900,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},926,"83647","Si Dios quiere, habremos de cambiar esta realidad.",6118.66,6122.26,{"idx":5902,"utterance_id":5903,"speaker_name":69,"text":5904,"start_s":5905,"end_s":5906,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},927,"83648","Gracias, Marina.",6122.3,6132.1,{"idx":5908,"utterance_id":5909,"speaker_name":69,"text":5910,"start_s":5911,"end_s":5912,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5913,"target_proposition":5914,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5915,"indexable":244},928,"83649","Para cerrar nuestro encuentro, invito nuevamente a Fernando Haddad, el ministro que realizó la mayor expansión de universidades e institutos federales en la historia de Brasil.",6132.58,6142.16,"1aa2822c-e8d3-4aba-9693-820f13d43521","expandir el acceso a la educación pública y a la educación superior","relata que Haddad realizó la mayor expansión de universidades e institutos.",{"idx":5917,"utterance_id":5918,"speaker_name":69,"text":5919,"start_s":5920,"end_s":5921,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5922,"target_proposition":5923,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5924,"indexable":244},929,"83650","Prácticamente duplicó el número de plazas en guarderías en el país y se convirtió en el mejor ministro de Educación en la historia de este país.",6142.68,6150.14,"610a4b08-9786-4322-ab24-53200c6f8770","ampliar plazas en guarderías públicas","atribuye a Haddad haber prácticamente duplicado las plazas en las guarderías del país.",{"idx":5926,"utterance_id":5927,"speaker_name":69,"text":5928,"start_s":5929,"end_s":5930,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},930,"83651","El alcalde de São Paulo...",6150.86,6152.48,{"idx":5932,"utterance_id":5933,"speaker_name":69,"text":5934,"start_s":5935,"end_s":5936,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},931,"83652","¡Esperen, que hay más!",6152.52,6153.38,{"idx":5938,"utterance_id":5939,"speaker_name":69,"text":5940,"start_s":5941,"end_s":5942,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},932,"83653","El alcalde de São Paulo que batió récords de plazas en guarderías y elevó la universidad a los cielos.",6154,6160.44,{"idx":5944,"utterance_id":5945,"speaker_name":69,"text":5946,"start_s":5947,"end_s":5948,"word_count":415,"topic_slug":5949,"topic_label":5950,"target_id":5951,"target_proposition":5952,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":5953,"indexable":74},933,"83654","El ministro de Hacienda que afrontó injusticias históricas, hizo una reforma tributaria referencial, eliminó el impuesto federal en los alimentos de la cesta básica, eximió a millones de brasileños del impuesto sobre la renta y, en asociación con Educação, creó el programa Pé de Meia, que redujo hasta en un 40% la deserción escolar en la enseñanza media.",6160.98,6182.72,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Política Fiscal y Social","45d56ec9-0596-407e-87c2-3ab02194d50e","reducir la carga tributaria sobre alimentos básicos y eximir a parte de la población del impuesto sobre la renta","afirma que el ministro eliminó el impuesto federal en la canasta básica y eximió a millones del IR.",{"idx":5955,"utterance_id":5956,"speaker_name":69,"text":5957,"start_s":5958,"end_s":5959,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},934,"83655","Sí, es demasiado.",6183.08,6184.02,{"idx":5961,"utterance_id":5962,"speaker_name":69,"text":5963,"start_s":5964,"end_s":5965,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},935,"83656","¿Dónde están los aplausos?",6184.3,6184.9,{"idx":5967,"utterance_id":5968,"speaker_name":69,"text":5969,"start_s":5970,"end_s":5971,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},936,"83657","No hay manera.",6184.94,6185.44,{"idx":5973,"utterance_id":5974,"speaker_name":69,"text":5975,"start_s":5976,"end_s":5977,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},937,"83658","Te toca a ti, Haddad.",6186.7,6187.74,{"idx":5979,"utterance_id":5980,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":5981,"start_s":5982,"end_s":5983,"word_count":409,"indexable":74},938,"83659","Gente, les voy a contar una cosa después de haber escuchado tantos testimonios relevantes: cuando uno ocupa un cargo como el de ministro de Hacienda, no tiene tiempo para pensar en otra cosa, porque son muchas frentes de trabajo simultáneas; llegan cinco problemas al día a su mesa.",6192.42,6213.68,{"idx":5985,"utterance_id":5986,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":5987,"start_s":5988,"end_s":5989,"word_count":301,"indexable":74},939,"83660","desde un proyecto de ley que está por ser aprobado por el Congreso y que va a abrir un agujero de no sé cuánto, hasta un juicio en el STJ (Superior Tribunal de Justicia), en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal); es realmente un cargo diferente, digamos.",6214.36,6226.86,{"idx":5991,"utterance_id":5992,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":5993,"start_s":5994,"end_s":5995,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4705,"topic_label":4706,"target_id":5996,"target_proposition":5997,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":5998,"indexable":74},940,"83661","Entonces, me senté con el presidente Lula durante algunas semanas para saber qué íbamos a hacer en 2026, qué él esperaba de mí, qué yo esperaba del proceso.",6227.68,6241.68,"b382c8c3-6c8c-4ff5-bf4d-e44bb9e85577","participar en el proceso político y discutir propuesta para 2026 (postularse o integrar una fórmula)","relata haber conversado con el presidente sobre lo que haría en 2026 y venir acá.",{"idx":6000,"utterance_id":6001,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6002,"start_s":6003,"end_s":6004,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},941,"83662","político de este año tan importante.",6242.78,6244.92,{"idx":6006,"utterance_id":6007,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6008,"start_s":6009,"end_s":6010,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},942,"83663","Y entonces llegamos a la conclusión de que era el caso de que yo viniera para acá.",6245.48,6249.88,{"idx":6012,"utterance_id":6013,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6014,"start_s":6015,"end_s":6016,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},943,"83664","No esperaba encontrar lo que encontré en el Estado de São Paulo.",6251.8,6256.14,{"idx":6018,"utterance_id":6019,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6020,"start_s":6021,"end_s":6022,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":6023,"topic_label":6024,"target_id":6025,"target_proposition":6026,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":6027,"indexable":244},944,"83665","Lo digo francamente: como la prensa no cubre lo que está pasando en la escuela pública, en el hospital público, en las licitaciones, en las finanzas —cuando no cubre—, para mí fue una desagradable sorpresa.",6256.18,6271.9,"gestao-publica-e-administracao-estadual","Gestión pública y administración estatal","9e75eaed-d468-4780-a2cd-3f1da6c5c10c","reformular políticas públicas estatales para recuperar servicios públicos esenciales","dice haber encontrado una situación mala en el gobierno del Estado, defendiendo un cambio.",{"idx":6029,"utterance_id":6030,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6031,"start_s":6032,"end_s":6033,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},945,"83666","toparme con lo que está ocurriendo en este gobierno.",6272.88,6275.54,{"idx":6035,"utterance_id":6036,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6037,"start_s":6038,"end_s":6039,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},946,"83667","No esperaba encontrar la situación que encontramos.",6276.28,6280.7,{"idx":6041,"utterance_id":6042,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6043,"start_s":6044,"end_s":6045,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},947,"83668","Y cuando escucho esos testimonios, veo que la cosa es aún peor.",6281.64,6286.16,{"idx":6047,"utterance_id":6048,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6049,"start_s":6050,"end_s":6051,"word_count":335,"indexable":74},948,"83669","Porque, obviamente, llevo estudiando estos asuntos desde hace 90 días, con Marina, con Simone; Márcio fue gobernador y también está siguiendo el panorama; estamos muy preocupados por lo que está ocurriendo en el Estado de São Paulo.",6287.28,6302.24,{"idx":6053,"utterance_id":6054,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6055,"start_s":6056,"end_s":6057,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":6058,"target_proposition":6059,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6060,"rationale":6061,"indexable":74},949,"83670","no se está hablando de educación tanto como debería.",6303.2,6306.98,"d964955b-da69-4a12-9f9a-1a524e952933","priorizar servicios públicos esenciales (salud, educación y seguridad pública)",0.73,"afirma que no se habla de educación tanto como debería.",{"idx":6063,"utterance_id":6064,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6065,"start_s":6066,"end_s":6067,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},950,"83671","Se habla mucho, y con razón, porque el panorama es muy preocupante en materia de seguridad pública.",6307.54,6312.68,{"idx":6069,"utterance_id":6070,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6071,"start_s":6072,"end_s":6073,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":6074,"target_proposition":6075,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6076,"indexable":244},951,"83672","Tenemos que hacer una audiencia sobre seguridad pública.",6313.8,6316.78,"41d20916-b3b8-46bc-af0b-ba7fc8e9c9b4","realizar audiencias públicas sobre seguridad pública","declara explícitamente: 'Nós temos que fazer uma oitiva dessa sobre segurança pública.'",{"idx":6078,"utterance_id":6079,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6080,"start_s":6081,"end_s":6082,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":6083,"topic_label":6084,"target_id":6085,"target_proposition":6086,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":6088,"indexable":244},952,"83673","Tenemos ideas que queremos someter al juicio de la gente, para que podamos incluir en el plan de gobierno o no, propuestas que considero prometedoras.",6317.52,6331.04,"governanca-participacao-social","Gobernanza\u002FParticipación Social","9862c86b-a0e9-44f4-b425-7e33ec9d33cb","promover diálogo e inclusión de todos los sectores en las decisiones del gobierno",0.84,"propone someter las propuestas al criterio de la gente para incluirlas en el plan de gobierno.",{"idx":6090,"utterance_id":6091,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6092,"start_s":6093,"end_s":6094,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":6095,"target_proposition":6096,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":6097,"indexable":244},953,"83674","Tenemos que convertir la seguridad pública en un tema del progresismo, de las fuerzas progresistas.",6331.8,6337.34,"aff42817-2d41-4517-a630-97e3ee91b9c7","incorporar la seguridad pública a la agenda de las fuerzas progresistas","dice que la seguridad pública debe ser tema del progresismo.",{"idx":6099,"utterance_id":6100,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6101,"start_s":6102,"end_s":6103,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":6095,"target_proposition":6096,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":6104,"indexable":244},954,"83675","No podemos dejar que ese discurso quede en manos de la extrema derecha, porque lleva a la destrucción.",6337.38,6343.12,"advierte que no se debe permitir un discurso de extrema derecha y defiende una acción progresista.",{"idx":6106,"utterance_id":6107,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6108,"start_s":6109,"end_s":6110,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},955,"83676","No pondremos nada bueno en su lugar si vamos hacia ese ambiente de conflagración que nuestros colegas allí han reportado.",6343.82,6352.28,{"idx":6112,"utterance_id":6113,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6114,"start_s":6115,"end_s":6116,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":6117,"target_proposition":6118,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6119,"indexable":244},956,"83677","La seguridad pública tendrá una prioridad, tendrá un gran protagonismo en el plan de gobierno.",6352.86,6357.66,"84ab78cb-ed8c-4c30-bb16-21ce6841158c","priorizar la seguridad pública en el plan de gobierno","anuncia que la seguridad pública tendrá prioridad en el plan de gobierno.",{"idx":6121,"utterance_id":6122,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6123,"start_s":6124,"end_s":6125,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},957,"83678","Pero estamos aquí un poco para hablar de educación.",6358.24,6360.2,{"idx":6127,"utterance_id":6128,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6129,"start_s":6130,"end_s":6131,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6132,"rationale":6133,"indexable":244},958,"83679","Entonces, lo primero es hacer coro con lo que la profesora Marina Silva acaba de decir.",6360.28,6365.7,0.87,"se suma a Marina Silva y defiende el uso correcto de la tecnología en la escuela.",{"idx":6135,"utterance_id":6136,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6137,"start_s":6138,"end_s":6139,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":6140,"indexable":244},959,"83680","Nadie puede estar en contra de las nuevas tecnologías, nuevas herramientas, nadie va a estar en contra de un computador, nadie va a estar en contra de Internet.",6367.02,6376.14,"afirma que nadie puede estar en contra de computadoras e internet en las escuelas.",{"idx":6142,"utterance_id":6143,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6144,"start_s":6145,"end_s":6146,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":6147,"target_proposition":6148,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":6149,"indexable":244},960,"83681","Tiene que haber Internet en la escuela, no la que está ahí, en la que una profesora... Está obligada por georreferenciación a completar allí en la escuela y la escuela no ofrece Internet.",6376.7,6387.84,"ed2c34b3-1ed3-4b97-9fd5-f2730a411af2","garantizar Internet de calidad en las escuelas","declara 'Tem que ter internet na escola' y denuncia la falta de infraestructura.",{"idx":6151,"utterance_id":6152,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6153,"start_s":6154,"end_s":6155,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":445,"target_proposition":446,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6156,"indexable":244},961,"83682","Y entonces el alumno tampoco tiene Internet y tú le mandas hacer la tarea en Internet, no la tiene en su casa, no la tiene en la escuela, ¿y dónde la tiene?",6387.96,6398.92,"critica gastar miles de millones en tecnología mientras las escuelas no tienen infraestructura.",{"idx":6158,"utterance_id":6159,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6160,"start_s":6161,"end_s":6162,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},962,"83683","Entonces empiezas a inventar un mundo que no existe.",6399.46,6403.34,{"idx":6164,"utterance_id":6165,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6166,"start_s":6167,"end_s":6168,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},963,"83684","Se gastan ahí miles de millones de reais en tonterías.",6403.58,6407.84,{"idx":6170,"utterance_id":6171,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6172,"start_s":6173,"end_s":6174,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},964,"83685","Y, a veces, no se equipa a la escuela con lo que es imprescindible hoy.",6408.3,6411.84,{"idx":6176,"utterance_id":6177,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6178,"start_s":6179,"end_s":6180,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":6181,"target_proposition":6182,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":6183,"indexable":244},965,"83686","Ahora, todo eso no va a sustituir a la biblioteca, no va a sustituir al profesor, no va a sustituir la interacción, no va a sustituir el proceso pedagógico de enseñanza-aprendizaje.",6412.42,6425.02,"4388a9f0-f158-498f-870f-3daf096a56f5","valorar la labor docente y evitar su mecanización","afirma que la tecnología no sustituye a la biblioteca, al profesor ni al proceso pedagógico.",{"idx":6185,"utterance_id":6186,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6187,"start_s":6188,"end_s":6189,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},966,"83687","No hay forma de hacerlo.",6425.18,6426.58,{"idx":6191,"utterance_id":6192,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6193,"start_s":6194,"end_s":6195,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},967,"83688","No se va a instrumentalizar la educación como si fuera una línea de montaje.",6427.52,6433.86,{"idx":6197,"utterance_id":6198,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6199,"start_s":6200,"end_s":6201,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},968,"83689","Eso no va a ocurrir.",6434.18,6435.28,{"idx":6203,"utterance_id":6204,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6205,"start_s":6206,"end_s":6207,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},969,"83690","No se alcanzará un grado de estandarización enfermizo, completamente no acorde con la realidad de los alumnos.",6435.32,6445.28,{"idx":6209,"utterance_id":6210,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6211,"start_s":6212,"end_s":6213,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},970,"83691","Tienes 30 alumnos en un aula, 40 alumnos en un aula.",6445.32,6448.56,{"idx":6215,"utterance_id":6216,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6217,"start_s":6218,"end_s":6219,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},971,"83692","¿Cómo vas a instrumentalizar la enseñanza, imaginando que con diapositivas y ejercicios y eso vas a sustituir un proceso que es complejo?",6449.04,6462.28,{"idx":6221,"utterance_id":6222,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6223,"start_s":6224,"end_s":6225,"word_count":301,"indexable":74},972,"83693","Todo el mundo que da clases conoce la complejidad que supone tener un aula llena y tener que garantizar que cada alumno allí tenga esa oportunidad de progresar, de avanzar en el ciclo educativo.",6462.96,6476.02,{"idx":6227,"utterance_id":6228,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6229,"start_s":6230,"end_s":6231,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},973,"83694","Entonces, esa visión no es la visión de un educador.",6476.7,6479.7,{"idx":6233,"utterance_id":6234,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6235,"start_s":6236,"end_s":6237,"word_count":434,"topic_slug":6238,"topic_label":6239,"target_id":6240,"target_proposition":6241,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6242,"indexable":244},974,"83695","No tengo nada en contra del empresario, no tiene nada que ver, el tipo tiene su empresa, pero cuando tomas la mentalidad de una persona que tiene una línea de montaje y que está produciendo... teclado, pantalla, computador, y dice, mira, ahora transfieres esa visión de línea de montaje a la Secretaría de Educación.",6480.4,6501.12,"politica-de-educacao","Política educativa","e6031ff3-f1f3-42da-a557-769035fbea33","evitar transferir la mentalidad empresarial a la gestión de la educación pública","critica la mentalidad de cadena de montaje y a los empresarios en la gestión de la educación.",{"idx":6244,"utterance_id":6245,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6246,"start_s":6247,"end_s":6248,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":6249,"topic_label":6250,"target_id":6251,"target_proposition":6252,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":6253,"indexable":244},975,"83696","Entonces, el error está en la alineación del equipo.",6502.04,6506.52,"nomeacoes-e-indicacoes","Nombramientos e indicaciones","592e7e5a-1a4a-47b8-ac82-0f5d62be0f78","evitar nombrar empresarios sin experiencia educativa para cargos de educación y seguridad","afirma que el error está en la alineación del equipo y menciona a dueños de empresas como elecciones equivocadas.",{"idx":6255,"utterance_id":6256,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6257,"start_s":6258,"end_s":6259,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},976,"83697","Cuando alineas al dueño de Multilaser, a Derrit, de Rota, para ocuparse de seguridad y educación, el producto es ese, estás contratando ese producto.",6508.42,6520.28,{"idx":6261,"utterance_id":6262,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6263,"start_s":6264,"end_s":6265,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},977,"83698","Entonces el problema está en el origen, estás contratando mal, estás alineando mal.",6521.76,6526.34,{"idx":6267,"utterance_id":6268,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6269,"start_s":6270,"end_s":6271,"word_count":295,"indexable":74},978,"83699","Se habló aquí de Cortella, se habló de Leandro Karnal, se habló de Paulo Freire, André, felicitaciones por haber citado a nuestro querido Paulo Freire, la gente necesita comprender lo que es un proceso pedagógico.",6527.38,6540.46,{"idx":6273,"utterance_id":6274,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6275,"start_s":6276,"end_s":6277,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},979,"83700","Y esas personas que no tienen familiaridad con la escuela, con el aula, no están en condiciones de comprender ese proceso.",6541.16,6548.36,{"idx":6279,"utterance_id":6280,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6281,"start_s":6282,"end_s":6283,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},980,"83701","Hay gente con 10, 20, 30 años de docencia y que aún está aprendiendo a lidiar con los desafíos contemporáneos de la escuela pública.",6548.84,6557.62,{"idx":6285,"utterance_id":6286,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6287,"start_s":6288,"end_s":6289,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},981,"83702","¿Cómo vas a importar de un entorno completamente diferente al de la escuela una metodología de producción en serie, que no va a ocurrir?",6557.7,6570.22,{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},982,"83703","No va a suceder.",6570.88,6571.76,{"idx":6297,"utterance_id":6298,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6299,"start_s":6300,"end_s":6301,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":6304,"target_proposition":6305,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":6306,"indexable":244},983,"83704","Esa cuestión de la persona con discapacidad en la escuela pública... Es una lucha que asumí a principios de siglo.",6573.76,6580.6,"inclusao-escolar-educacao-inclusiva","Inclusión escolar","ce86333e-2250-43dc-a9f5-f5bc22933467","incluir a estudiantes autistas en aulas regulares","Declara haber asumido la lucha por la inclusión de las personas con discapacidad en la escuela pública.",{"idx":6308,"utterance_id":6309,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6310,"start_s":6311,"end_s":6312,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},984,"83705","Ustedes saben que hubo una gran lucha para mantener a esos niños segregados.",6581.8,6586.58,{"idx":6314,"utterance_id":6315,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6316,"start_s":6317,"end_s":6318,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},985,"83706","Hicimos, Marina, creo que ya te conté esa historia, hicimos un relevamiento de cada niño que recibía el BPC y no asistía al aula.",6587.26,6596.06,{"idx":6320,"utterance_id":6321,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6322,"start_s":6323,"end_s":6324,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},986,"83707","Porque teníamos, a partir de 2006, por el EducaCenso, los especialistas aquí saben lo que es, el EducaCenso dejó de ser un censo que contabas.",6596.74,6608.32,{"idx":6326,"utterance_id":6327,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6328,"start_s":6329,"end_s":6330,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},987,"83708","¿Cuántas cabezas de ganado tienes?",6609.32,6610.88,{"idx":6332,"utterance_id":6333,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6334,"start_s":6335,"end_s":6336,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},988,"83709","Pasó a tener el nombre de la persona, el nombre de la madre, el nombre del padre, en qué curso está, si repitió el año, si aprobó el año, en qué escuela está matriculado.",6611.4,6621.28,{"idx":6338,"utterance_id":6339,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6340,"start_s":6341,"end_s":6342,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":6238,"topic_label":6239,"target_id":6343,"target_proposition":6344,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6345,"indexable":74},989,"83710","Entonces humanizamos el censo escolar.",6621.86,6624.26,"3ff0e6ea-3619-44a8-acf3-443d74d88c8f","mejorar el monitoreo y el uso de datos para políticas educativas e inclusión (EducaCenso)","Describe la humanización del censo escolar y el uso de datos para políticas públicas.",{"idx":6347,"utterance_id":6348,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6349,"start_s":6350,"end_s":6351,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},990,"83711","Hoy tienes el nombre de la persona.",6624.76,6626.44,{"idx":6353,"utterance_id":6354,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6355,"start_s":6356,"end_s":6357,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},991,"83712","Cuando hace la prueba Brasil, sabes qué nota sacó esa persona.",6626.48,6630.46,{"idx":6359,"utterance_id":6360,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6361,"start_s":6362,"end_s":6363,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},992,"83713","Cuando hace el Enem, sabes qué nota sacó esa persona.",6630.58,6632.94,{"idx":6365,"utterance_id":6366,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6367,"start_s":6368,"end_s":6369,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},993,"83714","Esa es la manera de hacer política pública.",6633.7,6635.72,{"idx":6371,"utterance_id":6372,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6373,"start_s":6374,"end_s":6375,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":6376,"target_proposition":6377,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6378,"indexable":244},994,"83715","Ahora, con el PEDMEC tuvimos una caída del 40% en la deserción escolar en el primer año de la enseñanza media.",6637.02,6643.04,"6a1e649c-deb6-4999-8a68-b45669a9f87d","implementar políticas eficaces para reducir la deserción escolar","Afirma caída del 40% en el abandono con PEDMEC y lo presenta como política exitosa.",{"idx":6380,"utterance_id":6381,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6382,"start_s":6383,"end_s":6384,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},995,"83716","Así se hace política pública.",6643.32,6644.92,{"idx":6386,"utterance_id":6387,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6388,"start_s":6389,"end_s":6390,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},996,"83717","Midiendo, mensurando, apoyando, comprendiendo la realidad de cada persona.",6645.32,6651.06,{"idx":6392,"utterance_id":6393,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6394,"start_s":6395,"end_s":6396,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},997,"83718","¿Qué descubrimos allí?",6651.5,6652.7,{"idx":6398,"utterance_id":6399,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6400,"start_s":6401,"end_s":6402,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":6403,"target_proposition":6404,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6405,"indexable":244},998,"83719","Que 400 mil niños, 400 mil niños, recibían el BPC.",6653.96,6659.54,"55a1d151-6108-4929-992f-c01836184cdf","incluir beneficiarios del BPC en la red escolar mediante programas integrados (BPC en la escuela)","Relata la inclusión de 300 mil de las 400 mil crianças beneficiarias del BPC en el sistema escolar.",{"idx":6407,"utterance_id":6408,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6409,"start_s":6410,"end_s":6411,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},999,"83720","Y no estaban matriculados en ninguna escuela, porque no figuraba el nombre de la persona.",6659.68,6663.54,{"idx":6413,"utterance_id":6414,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6415,"start_s":6416,"end_s":6417,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1000,"83721","Conseguimos incluir, mediante un programa llamado BPC en la escuela, a 300 de esas 400 mil personas.",6665.22,6673.04,{"idx":6419,"utterance_id":6420,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6421,"start_s":6422,"end_s":6423,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1001,"83722","¿Y cómo se hizo eso?",6674.52,6675.84,{"idx":6425,"utterance_id":6426,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6427,"start_s":6428,"end_s":6429,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1002,"83723","No fue sin dolor, fue con dolor.",6676.64,6678.5,{"idx":6431,"utterance_id":6432,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6433,"start_s":6434,"end_s":6435,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1003,"83724","Porque no es una broma.",6679.28,6680.42,{"idx":6437,"utterance_id":6438,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6439,"start_s":6440,"end_s":6441,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1004,"83725","No es tarea sencilla tomar a cada uno de esos niños.",6681.74,6686.68,{"idx":6443,"utterance_id":6444,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6445,"start_s":6446,"end_s":6447,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1005,"83726","Saber cuál es la escuela más cercana.",6687.26,6689.36,{"idx":6449,"utterance_id":6450,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6451,"start_s":6452,"end_s":6453,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},1006,"83727","Saber si había aula multifuncional, si había profesional calificado, si había libro en braille, si había libro... Lo llamábamos MacDoss, que era un programa que en esa época hacía la lectura de libros.",6689.82,6703.38,{"idx":6455,"utterance_id":6456,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6457,"start_s":6458,"end_s":6459,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1007,"83728","Era el único que lo hacía.",6703.46,6704.9,{"idx":6461,"utterance_id":6462,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6463,"start_s":6464,"end_s":6465,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1008,"83729","Hoy hay varios programas de lectura, pero, típicamente, no había.",6704.94,6708.84,{"idx":6467,"utterance_id":6468,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6469,"start_s":6470,"end_s":6471,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},1009,"83730","Colocabas un libro en una máquina y la máquina salía leyendo el libro para la persona... ciega, que escuchaba el libro.",6709.88,6716.94,{"idx":6473,"utterance_id":6474,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6475,"start_s":6476,"end_s":6477,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1010,"83731","Esas cosas fueron trabajo de mucha gente.",6717.54,6720.02,{"idx":6479,"utterance_id":6480,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6481,"start_s":6482,"end_s":6483,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1011,"83732","Mucha gente se involucró en eso.",6720.82,6722.58,{"idx":6485,"utterance_id":6486,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6487,"start_s":6488,"end_s":6489,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":6490,"target_proposition":6491,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":6492,"indexable":244},1012,"83733","El Fundeb pasó a financiar la matrícula doble en la escuela pública y en la APAI, cuando el padre quisiera un apoyo en el segundo turno especializado.",6723.02,6734.58,"393fe919-090d-4657-9ea9-ed7100fad03e","ampliar el financiamiento del Fundeb para apoyar la inclusión y servicios especializados","Afirma que Fundeb empezó a financiar la doble matrícula y reconoció a las APAIs como escuela pública.",{"idx":6494,"utterance_id":6495,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6496,"start_s":6497,"end_s":6498,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1013,"83734","Fue la primera vez que una APAI fue considerada escuela pública, siempre que la inclusión estuviera garantizada.",6734.62,6739.6,{"idx":6500,"utterance_id":6501,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6502,"start_s":6503,"end_s":6504,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1014,"83735","Son innumerables las innovaciones institucionales que se hicieron.",6740.5,6744.6,{"idx":6506,"utterance_id":6507,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6508,"start_s":6509,"end_s":6510,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1015,"83736","para que llegáramos a ese cuadro.",6745.18,6746.56,{"idx":6512,"utterance_id":6513,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6514,"start_s":6515,"end_s":6516,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1016,"83737","Ahora, créanme en lo que estoy diciendo, porque yo, durante muchos años, hablo con todo el país, no solo como ministro de Educación, sino como ministro de Hacienda.",6747,6757.04,{"idx":6518,"utterance_id":6519,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6520,"start_s":6521,"end_s":6522,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6023,"topic_label":6024,"target_id":6523,"target_proposition":6524,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":6525,"indexable":244},1017,"83738","Estamos viviendo una regresión en el Estado de São Paulo.",6757.74,6760.92,"d36a4ac2-511a-4268-9b2c-e0a0d2203cc2","revertir retrocesos en las políticas públicas del Estado de São Paulo y recuperar servicios","Afirma que el Estado de São Paulo vive una regresión y compara con andar hacia atrás.",{"idx":6527,"utterance_id":6528,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6529,"start_s":6530,"end_s":6531,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1018,"83739","Porque una cosa es ir despacio, otra cosa es moverse de lado, otra cosa es ir hacia atrás.",6760.96,6766.76,{"idx":6533,"utterance_id":6534,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6535,"start_s":6536,"end_s":6537,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1019,"83740","Ir hacia atrás provoca angustia.",6767.36,6768.82,{"idx":6539,"utterance_id":6540,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6541,"start_s":6542,"end_s":6543,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1020,"83741","Es como tomar la carretera equivocada.",6769.68,6771.26,{"idx":6545,"utterance_id":6546,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6547,"start_s":6548,"end_s":6549,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1021,"83742","Te angustias hasta volver al... no, al camino correcto.",6771.3,6775.94,{"idx":6551,"utterance_id":6552,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6553,"start_s":6554,"end_s":6555,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1022,"83743","Tomas una carretera equivocada, dices, Dios mío, ¿dónde está la salida de retorno?",6776,6779.42,{"idx":6557,"utterance_id":6558,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6559,"start_s":6560,"end_s":6561,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1023,"83744","¿Cuándo llega el retorno?",6779.5,6780.78,{"idx":6563,"utterance_id":6564,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6565,"start_s":6566,"end_s":6567,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1024,"83745","¿Dónde está la rampa?",6780.84,6781.6,{"idx":6569,"utterance_id":6570,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6571,"start_s":6572,"end_s":6573,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1025,"83746","¿Dónde está no sé qué?",6781.68,6782.3,{"idx":6575,"utterance_id":6576,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6577,"start_s":6578,"end_s":6579,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1026,"83747","Pides información.",6782.88,6783.78,{"idx":6581,"utterance_id":6582,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6583,"start_s":6584,"end_s":6585,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1027,"83748","Solo te vas a quedar un poco más tranquilo, tu corazón un poco, cuando vuelvas a la carretera correcta, para llegar a tu destino.",6783.82,6791.48,{"idx":6587,"utterance_id":6588,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6589,"start_s":6590,"end_s":6591,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1028,"83749","Tomamos la vía equivocada aquí en São Paulo.",6791.84,6794.54,{"idx":6593,"utterance_id":6594,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6595,"start_s":6596,"end_s":6597,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":6598,"target_proposition":6599,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6600,"indexable":244},1029,"83750","Esa cosa de la manera en que se está haciendo, esa tal de plataforma, no hay una forma correcta de hacer 'plataformización', porque el nombre ya es malo.",6795.18,6802.96,"04a9ff18-bb84-4e35-8045-41bd550c5298","incorporar tecnología al proceso educativo de forma adecuada","Dice que 'se você quer incorporar a tecnologia... tem o jeito certo de fazer'.",{"idx":6602,"utterance_id":6603,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6604,"start_s":6605,"end_s":6606,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1030,"83751","Pero digo, si quieres incorporar la tecnología al proceso educativo, hay una forma correcta de hacerlo.",6803.58,6808.7,{"idx":6608,"utterance_id":6609,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6610,"start_s":6611,"end_s":6612,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1031,"83752","Hay una forma correcta de hacerlo.",6809.96,6811.08,{"idx":6614,"utterance_id":6615,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6616,"start_s":6617,"end_s":6618,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1032,"83753","Pero no es esa.",6811.54,6812.24,{"idx":6620,"utterance_id":6621,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6622,"start_s":6623,"end_s":6624,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1033,"83754","Porque el supuesto de esto está 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educación.",6820.04,6824.3,"Advierte que culpar al profesor 'vai acabar com a educação' — defiende otra postura.",{"idx":6644,"utterance_id":6645,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6646,"start_s":6647,"end_s":6648,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":6631,"topic_label":6632,"target_id":6633,"target_proposition":6634,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":253,"rationale":6649,"indexable":244},1036,"83757","Porque si consideras, si consideras al agente de la transformación como el problema, es un general que está considerando a sus soldados como el problema del ejército.",6825.02,6838.8,"Compara al gestor que culpa a los profesores con el general que culpa a los soldados — defiende la valorización.",{"idx":6651,"utterance_id":6652,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6653,"start_s":6654,"end_s":6655,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},1037,"83758","Quiero decir, el tipo está loco, el tipo está fuera de... completamente fuera de sí, el tipo está hablando.",6838.88,6846.28,{"idx":6657,"utterance_id":6658,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6659,"start_s":6660,"end_s":6661,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1038,"83759","todo está equivocado.",6846.32,6846.94,{"idx":6663,"utterance_id":6664,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6665,"start_s":6666,"end_s":6667,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":6668,"topic_label":6669,"target_id":6670,"target_proposition":6671,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":6672,"indexable":244},1039,"83760","Cada vez... no es que yo no haya tenido, tanto como alcalde como ministro... A veces teníamos allí, cuando nos sentábamos con los sindicatos para discutir carrera, mil cuestiones por resolver.",6848.04,6862.36,"direitos-trabalhistas","Derechos Laborales","af663cfb-3f94-48aa-8fce-edef92d08737","dialogar y negociar con los sindicatos del magisterio","Relata que, como alcalde\u002Fministro, se sentaba con los sindicatos para discutir la carrera.",{"idx":6674,"utterance_id":6675,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6676,"start_s":6677,"end_s":6678,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":6668,"topic_label":6669,"target_id":6670,"target_proposition":6671,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6060,"rationale":6679,"indexable":74},1040,"83761","Cuando eres gestor, tienes un presupuesto limitado, tienes que... Pero siempre terminaba en un acuerdo.",6863.4,6868.98,"Afirma que, a pesar del presupuesto limitado, las negociaciones terminaban en acuerdo.",{"idx":6681,"utterance_id":6682,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6683,"start_s":6684,"end_s":6685,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1041,"83762","Siempre terminaba en acuerdo.",6869.84,6870.9,{"idx":6687,"utterance_id":6688,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6689,"start_s":6690,"end_s":6691,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1042,"83763","Ah, se peleaba, había huelga, a veces no había, a veces había diálogo, a veces no había.",6870.94,6873.94,{"idx":6693,"utterance_id":6694,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6695,"start_s":6696,"end_s":6697,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1043,"83764","Pero terminaba en un acuerdo.",6874.38,6875.64,{"idx":6699,"utterance_id":6700,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6701,"start_s":6702,"end_s":6703,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1044,"83765","Terminaba en un acuerdo.",6876.74,6877.62,{"idx":6705,"utterance_id":6706,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6707,"start_s":6708,"end_s":6709,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1045,"83766","Esto, imagina en el MEC, las categorías, el Andes, el Senazé, era... Era un problema.",6877.86,6886.04,{"idx":6711,"utterance_id":6712,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6713,"start_s":6714,"end_s":6715,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1046,"83767","Y nosotros decíamos, no, vamos a agotar todas las posibilidades de clase.",6886.36,6890.3,{"idx":6717,"utterance_id":6718,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":1183,"start_s":6719,"end_s":6720,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1047,"83768",6890.38,6890.68,{"idx":6722,"utterance_id":6723,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6724,"start_s":6725,"end_s":6726,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":6670,"target_proposition":6671,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":6727,"indexable":244},1048,"83769","Porque sabíamos que si no llegábamos a un entendimiento con la categoría, el alumno sería perjudicado.",6891.28,6897.6,"Dice que el entendimiento con la categoría fue necesario para no perjudicar a los alumnos.",{"idx":6729,"utterance_id":6730,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6731,"start_s":6732,"end_s":6733,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":6631,"topic_label":6632,"target_id":6633,"target_proposition":6634,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":6734,"indexable":244},1049,"83770","Y la categoría tenía toda la razón para reclamar, porque, obviamente, necesitamos... Empezamos una jornada de valorización del magisterio en Brasil hace muy poco tiempo.",6898.14,6908.52,"Afirma explícitamente haber iniciado una jornada de valorización del magisterio.",{"idx":6736,"utterance_id":6737,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6738,"start_s":6739,"end_s":6740,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1050,"83771","El piso salarial del magisterio fue creado hace tiempo.",6910,6912.36,{"idx":6742,"utterance_id":6743,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6744,"start_s":6745,"end_s":6746,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":6631,"topic_label":6632,"target_id":6633,"target_proposition":6634,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":653,"rationale":6747,"indexable":244},1051,"83772","Creamos un indexador para el piso del magisterio que permitió llegar hoy a una proporción del salario mínimo.",6913.04,6922.24,"Reclama la creación de un indexador para el piso del magisterio como acción realizada.",{"idx":6749,"utterance_id":6750,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6751,"start_s":6752,"end_s":6753,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1052,"83773","Llegamos a pagar medio salario mínimo a los profesores de Brasil.",6922.7,6926.02,{"idx":6755,"utterance_id":6756,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6757,"start_s":6758,"end_s":6759,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},1053,"83774","En el interior de Maranhão, en el interior de Piauí, usted pagaba medio salario mínimo, porque era media jornada, medio salario mínimo.",6926.76,6933.98,{"idx":6761,"utterance_id":6762,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6763,"start_s":6764,"end_s":6765,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1054,"83775","Era una vergüenza.",6934.74,6935.52,{"idx":6767,"utterance_id":6768,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6769,"start_s":6770,"end_s":6771,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1055,"83776","Hoy usted avanzó.",6935.78,6936.96,{"idx":6773,"utterance_id":6774,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6775,"start_s":6776,"end_s":6777,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1056,"83777","Ah, pero podría haber avanzado más rápido.",6937.78,6938.88,{"idx":6779,"utterance_id":6780,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6781,"start_s":6782,"end_s":6783,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1057,"83778","No, no podía.",6938.96,6939.6,{"idx":6785,"utterance_id":6786,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6787,"start_s":6788,"end_s":6789,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1058,"83779","Siempre puede.",6940.2,6940.86,{"idx":6791,"utterance_id":6792,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6793,"start_s":6794,"end_s":6795,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":6238,"topic_label":6239,"target_id":6796,"target_proposition":6797,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6798,"rationale":6799,"indexable":244},1059,"83780","Pero nosotros salimos de la inercia en la educación.",6941.36,6943.34,"6eb8f104-8ec3-41ee-a348-f2b0c36e4e4e","aumentar inversiones e iniciativas en la educación pública",0.77,"Afirma que 'saímos da inércia na educação', defendiendo la reanudación de la agenda.",{"idx":6801,"utterance_id":6802,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6803,"start_s":6804,"end_s":6805,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1060,"83781","Lo que está ocurriendo en São Paulo no es normal.",6943.84,6945.68,{"idx":6807,"utterance_id":6808,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6809,"start_s":6810,"end_s":6811,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1061,"83782","No es normal.",6946.62,6947.24,{"idx":6813,"utterance_id":6814,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6815,"start_s":6816,"end_s":6817,"word_count":129,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":6818,"target_proposition":6819,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":6820,"indexable":244},1062,"83783","Estamos retrocediendo desde todos los puntos de vista.",6948.12,6951.16,"01561ec0-78a8-4100-9bef-fd95f6fca8e0","destinar un porcentaje del PIB al financiamiento de la educación","Afirma que estamos retrocediendo en el financiamiento — critica los recortes y defiende más fondos.",{"idx":6822,"utterance_id":6823,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6824,"start_s":6825,"end_s":6826,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1063,"83784","Desde el punto de vista del financiamiento, desde el punto de vista de la valorización del magisterio, desde el punto de vista del respeto a las familias, típicas y atípicas.",6951.5,6962.52,{"idx":6828,"utterance_id":6829,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6830,"start_s":6831,"end_s":6832,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1064,"83785","Porque también la familia atípica no está siendo respetada.",6962.56,6967.1,{"idx":6834,"utterance_id":6835,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6836,"start_s":6837,"end_s":6838,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":6839,"topic_label":6840,"target_id":6841,"target_proposition":6842,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":6843,"indexable":244},1065,"83786","Cuando usted ve... Hicimos un esfuerzo enorme para ampliar las plazas universitarias, tanto a través del ProUni como con la expansión de las federales y de los institutos federales.",6967.7,6978.88,"politica-de-ensino-superior","Política de educación superior","ee3f4685-84dc-497b-8fe4-cd940c238fbd","expandir el acceso a la educación superior pública","Reclama esfuerzo para ampliar plazas mediante ProUni y la expansión de las universidades federales y de los IFs.",{"idx":1088,"utterance_id":6845,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6846,"start_s":6847,"end_s":6848,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},"83787","Se hizo un esfuerzo más tímido aquí en São Paulo, pero también se hizo.",6979.42,6983.52,{"idx":6850,"utterance_id":6851,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6852,"start_s":6853,"end_s":6854,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":6839,"topic_label":6840,"target_id":6855,"target_proposition":6856,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6857,"indexable":244},1067,"83788","Y entonces una gran pelea para crear el Sisu, para crear la reserva de plazas y colocar a los alumnos de escuela pública en la universidad pública, porque ellos simplemente no sabían lo que era una universidad pública.",6984.1,6994.48,"eb04fd7e-da3a-47f4-bff3-a398eb34764d","ampliar políticas de inclusión en el acceso a la educación superior (Sisu y reserva de vacantes)","Defiende la creación del Sisu y la reserva de plazas para incluir a alumnos de escuela pública.",{"idx":6859,"utterance_id":6860,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6861,"start_s":6862,"end_s":6863,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1068,"83789","Nadie entraba en la universidad pública.",6994.94,6996.64,{"idx":6865,"utterance_id":6866,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6867,"start_s":6868,"end_s":6869,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1069,"83790","Provenientes de una escuela pública, con algunas excepciones.",6997.12,6999.72,{"idx":6871,"utterance_id":6872,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6873,"start_s":6874,"end_s":6875,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1070,"83791","Hoy, el 70% de los jóvenes de la universidad pública provinieron de la escuela pública.",7000.24,7005.4,{"idx":6877,"utterance_id":6878,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6879,"start_s":6880,"end_s":6881,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1071,"83792","Son egresados.",7006.06,7006.76,{"idx":6883,"utterance_id":6884,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6885,"start_s":6886,"end_s":6887,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1072,"83793","¿Eso cambió?",7007.2,7007.74,{"idx":6889,"utterance_id":6890,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6891,"start_s":6892,"end_s":6893,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1073,"83794","Cambió.",7007.94,7008.24,{"idx":6895,"utterance_id":6896,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6897,"start_s":6898,"end_s":6899,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":6839,"topic_label":6840,"target_id":6900,"target_proposition":6901,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":6902,"indexable":244},1074,"83795","Ahora, veo un tipo de discusión que sucede así: ¿vamos a pasar de R$ 833 a R$ 1.000 la Bolsa Permanência?",7008.84,7018.26,"48ba136b-cb91-44df-a37c-fbfe400491a5","aumentar el monto de la Bolsa Permanência para estudiantes universitarios","Pregunta si vale pagar R$100 más para mantener al estudiante en la universidad, apoyando la idea.",{"idx":6904,"utterance_id":6905,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6906,"start_s":6907,"end_s":6908,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},1075,"83796","¿Será que tenemos R$ 100 más para pagar al estudiante para que permanezca en la universidad hasta concluir su carrera?",7019.9,7025.38,{"idx":6910,"utterance_id":6911,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6912,"start_s":6913,"end_s":6914,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1076,"83797","Entonces la pregunta que yo hago.",7025.98,7027.82,{"idx":6916,"utterance_id":6917,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6918,"start_s":6919,"end_s":6920,"word_count":295,"indexable":74},1077,"83798","Cuando me encuentro con rectores y tal, la pregunta que les hago a ellos es la siguiente: está bien, cuesta R$ 100 por mes más mantener a este alumno en la escuela, y nosotros estamos haciendo cuentas.",7027.9,7039.02,{"idx":6922,"utterance_id":6923,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6924,"start_s":6925,"end_s":6926,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1078,"83799","La pregunta es cuánto va a costar si él se va sin graduarse?",7039.48,7042.22,{"idx":6928,"utterance_id":6929,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6930,"start_s":6931,"end_s":6932,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1079,"83800","¿Cuál es el costo?",7044.44,7045.26,{"idx":6934,"utterance_id":6935,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6936,"start_s":6937,"end_s":6938,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1080,"83801","Ese joven está en el segundo año de la carrera, en el tercer año de la carrera.",7047.22,7051.5,{"idx":6940,"utterance_id":6941,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6942,"start_s":6943,"end_s":6944,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1081,"83802","Lo vamos a perder.",7052.14,7053.02,{"idx":6946,"utterance_id":6947,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6948,"start_s":6949,"end_s":6950,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":6839,"topic_label":6840,"target_id":6900,"target_proposition":6901,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":6951,"indexable":244},1082,"83803","A ese joven, por R$ 100 por mes, ¿cuánto le costó a la sociedad lograr que llegara hasta el segundo año, hasta el tercer año, para perderlo faltando dos años para graduarse?",7054.84,7065.5,"Argumenta que perder un alumno por R$100 es más caro para la sociedad — defiende un aumento.",{"idx":6953,"utterance_id":6954,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6955,"start_s":6956,"end_s":6957,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1083,"83804","Empezamos a hacer un razonamiento que no concuerda con el esfuerzo que la sociedad hizo.",7066.4,7073.64,{"idx":6959,"utterance_id":6960,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6961,"start_s":6962,"end_s":6963,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1084,"83805","Y cuánta gente salió a la calle: movimiento sin universidad, movimiento estudiantil, movimiento negro, ¿cuántos movimientos sociales... salieron a la calle a reivindicar esa educación superior en Brasil, que era exclusiva de la élite?",7074.26,7087.42,{"idx":6965,"utterance_id":6966,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6967,"start_s":6968,"end_s":6969,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1085,"83806","Nadie llegaba a la universidad en Brasil.",7089.52,7091.64,{"idx":6971,"utterance_id":6972,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6973,"start_s":6974,"end_s":6975,"word_count":422,"indexable":74},1086,"83807","Y entonces, por causa de R$ 100, usted pierde a un joven que sacó una buena nota en el Enem, que solo entró en el Sisu porque obtuvo buena nota, y de repente, en el segundo año, tiene que trabajar porque no consigue pagar el transporte, no puede pagar la alimentación, no tiene alojamiento, no tiene nada.",7092.74,7112.26,{"idx":6977,"utterance_id":6978,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6979,"start_s":6980,"end_s":6981,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1087,"83808","¿Cómo lo hace usted?",7112.64,7113.28,{"idx":6983,"utterance_id":6984,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6985,"start_s":6986,"end_s":6987,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":6238,"topic_label":6239,"target_id":6988,"target_proposition":6989,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6990,"indexable":244},1088,"83809","Entonces, creo que tenemos que volver a hablar de la educación como alguna vez lo hicimos.",7114.08,7119.6,"2da44b99-81c3-4f24-b8ae-840d5ce92fc7","colocar la educación como prioridad en las políticas públicas","Afirma que es necesario volver a hablar de la educación como prioridad nacional.",{"idx":6992,"utterance_id":6993,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":6994,"start_s":6995,"end_s":6996,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1089,"83810","Miren, la educación empezó a entrar en la agenda del país; desde hace 20 años empezó a estar en la agenda.",7120.72,7129.5,{"idx":6998,"utterance_id":6999,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7000,"start_s":7001,"end_s":7002,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1090,"83811","Es Fundeb, es el Piso del Magisterio, es Univesp, es la Universidad Abierta de Brasil, es el Instituto Federal.",7129.92,7137.18,{"idx":7004,"utterance_id":7005,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7006,"start_s":7007,"end_s":7008,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1091,"83812","Y nosotros vamos a, queremos, Cida, Cláudio... Fonseca, que también está aquí.",7137.88,7143.4,{"idx":7010,"utterance_id":7011,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7012,"start_s":7013,"end_s":7014,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1092,"83813","Queremos aprovechar lo bueno que hicimos.",7144.06,7146.84,{"idx":7016,"utterance_id":7017,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7018,"start_s":7019,"end_s":7020,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1093,"83814","Por ejemplo, los CELs.",7147.18,7148.66,{"idx":7022,"utterance_id":7023,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7024,"start_s":7025,"end_s":7026,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1094,"83815","Yo formaba parte del equipo de la SIDA cuando los CELs fueron concebidos.",7149.28,7152.62,{"idx":7028,"utterance_id":7029,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7030,"start_s":7031,"end_s":7032,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},1095,"83816","La SIDA era nuestra líder allí, y todos nosotros ayudando a sacar el CEL del papel.",7154.06,7158.9,{"idx":7034,"utterance_id":7035,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7036,"start_s":7037,"end_s":7038,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1096,"83817","Yo estaba en la Secretaría de Finanzas en esa época.",7159.74,7161.6,{"idx":7040,"utterance_id":7041,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7042,"start_s":7043,"end_s":7044,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1097,"83818","El CEL tiene que ser... El Instituto Federal, poca gente lo sabe, pero el Instituto Federal... desde el punto de vista de infraestructura, se inspiró mucho en el CEL.",7162.46,7173.58,{"idx":7046,"utterance_id":7047,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7048,"start_s":7049,"end_s":7050,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1098,"83819","Decimos así: si el CEL cambia el rostro de un barrio, ¿por qué no hacemos un Instituto Federal que cambie el rostro de una ciudad?",7174.6,7181.92,{"idx":7052,"utterance_id":7053,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7054,"start_s":7055,"end_s":7056,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1099,"83820","Porque de eso estamos hablando.",7183.4,7184.84,{"idx":7058,"utterance_id":7059,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7060,"start_s":7061,"end_s":7062,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1100,"83821","Cuando usted lleva un campus universitario a una ciudad, cuando lleva un campus del Instituto Federal a una ciudad, cambia para siempre la vida de esa ciudad.",7184.88,7194.32,{"idx":7064,"utterance_id":7065,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7066,"start_s":7067,"end_s":7068,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1101,"83822","Nunca más será la misma.",7194.72,7195.98,{"idx":7070,"utterance_id":7071,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7072,"start_s":7073,"end_s":7074,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1102,"83823","Usted altera el paisaje urbano.",7196.02,7198.78,{"idx":7076,"utterance_id":7077,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7078,"start_s":7079,"end_s":7080,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1103,"83824","Y enciende una lucecita de esperanza en la mente de todo joven.",7199.9,7203.44,{"idx":7082,"utterance_id":7083,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7084,"start_s":7085,"end_s":7086,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1104,"83825","Él dice: '¡quiero estudiar en esa buena escuela!'",7204.06,7206.2,{"idx":7088,"utterance_id":7089,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7090,"start_s":7091,"end_s":7092,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1105,"83826","Y se convierte en referencia en la región.",7207.3,7209.14,{"idx":7094,"utterance_id":7095,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7096,"start_s":7097,"end_s":7098,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1106,"83827","Y entonces las familias, los jóvenes, comienzan a comparar.",7209.8,7213.06,{"idx":7100,"utterance_id":7101,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7102,"start_s":7103,"end_s":7104,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1107,"83828","¡Vaya!, quiero un profesor valorizado, que sepa las cosas, que imparta matemáticas, física y química, que no tengo en la escuela.",7213.16,7220.1,{"idx":7106,"utterance_id":7107,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7108,"start_s":7109,"end_s":7110,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1108,"83829","Va elevando el listón.",7220.62,7223.06,{"idx":7112,"utterance_id":7113,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7114,"start_s":7115,"end_s":7116,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1109,"83830","Y entonces las cosas van mejorando.",7223.52,7224.84,{"idx":7118,"utterance_id":7119,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7120,"start_s":7121,"end_s":7122,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1110,"83831","Y cuando usted educa a una generación, ha educado a la nación.",7226.02,7229.78,{"idx":7124,"utterance_id":7125,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7126,"start_s":7127,"end_s":7128,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1111,"83832","Porque los padres educados garantizarán que sus hijos vayan más allá de ellos mismos y así sucesivamente.",7230.56,7235.12,{"idx":7130,"utterance_id":7131,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7132,"start_s":7133,"end_s":7134,"word_count":167,"topic_slug":6238,"topic_label":6239,"target_id":7135,"target_proposition":7136,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":7137,"indexable":244},1112,"83833","Entonces, el esfuerzo educativo, el país debe tomar la decisión de educar a una generación.",7235.7,7245.24,"36046b55-19b8-4557-b5d4-020a7f45c887","priorizar y invertir en la educación pública para formar una generación","Dice que el país debe decidir educar a una generación — propuesta explícita de prioridad.",{"idx":7139,"utterance_id":7140,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7141,"start_s":7142,"end_s":7143,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1113,"83834","Porque ahí hay inercia, porque la familia no dejará a nadie atrás y forzará, en una combinación virtuosa de la familia con el Estado, a que las cosas se dinamicen.",7245.94,7259.24,{"idx":7145,"utterance_id":7146,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7147,"start_s":7148,"end_s":7149,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},1114,"83835","Entonces, creo que el Instituto Federal, los CELS, las carreras que construimos juntos en varias oportunidades aquí en la ciudad de São Paulo, a nivel federal, tenemos ejemplos edificantes de cosas que pueden hacerse e innovarse.",7259.9,7279.38,{"idx":7151,"utterance_id":7152,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7153,"start_s":7154,"end_s":7155,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1115,"83836","Podemos mejorar lo que ya hicimos, no necesitamos hacerlo igual.",7280.08,7282.98,{"idx":7157,"utterance_id":7158,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7159,"start_s":7160,"end_s":7161,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1116,"83837","Pero tener como referencia lo que hicimos bien hecho es una base; usted dice, bueno, a partir de aquí puedo pensar en otras cosas que puedan desarrollarse.",7283.64,7294.32,{"idx":7163,"utterance_id":7164,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7165,"start_s":7166,"end_s":7167,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1117,"83838","La Fundação Paula Souza hoy, por ejemplo, también está atravesando problemas.",7295.88,7299.78,{"idx":7169,"utterance_id":7170,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7171,"start_s":7172,"end_s":7173,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5885,"target_proposition":5886,"stance":252,"stance_confidence":971,"rationale":7174,"indexable":74},1118,"83839","La escuela pública tiene problemas, la Fundação Paula Souza tiene problemas, las universidades tienen problemas.",7300.22,7307.18,"Afirma que la escuela pública, Fundação Paula Souza y las universidades tienen problemas.",{"idx":7176,"utterance_id":7177,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7178,"start_s":7179,"end_s":7180,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1119,"83840","Voy a reincorporar una promesa de 2022 de tomar el ejemplo de la FAPESP.",7307.86,7316.5,{"idx":7182,"utterance_id":7183,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7184,"start_s":7185,"end_s":7186,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1120,"83841","para el financiamiento de las universidades estatales, que es el mejor ejemplo que tengo: se vinculan los ingresos y no a un impuesto.",7317.54,7326.1,{"idx":7188,"utterance_id":7189,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7190,"start_s":7191,"end_s":7192,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1121,"83842","El impuesto a veces baja, a veces sube, a veces cambia.",7326.52,7330.46,{"idx":7194,"utterance_id":7195,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7196,"start_s":7197,"end_s":7198,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1122,"83843","No va a dejar de hacer una reforma tributaria por causa de eso.",7330.5,7333.6,{"idx":7200,"utterance_id":7201,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7202,"start_s":7203,"end_s":7204,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1123,"83844","Entonces, ¿qué tiene que hacer?",7333.64,7334.68,{"idx":7206,"utterance_id":7207,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7208,"start_s":7209,"end_s":7210,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1124,"83845","Crear una regla más inteligente.",7335.28,7337.2,{"idx":7212,"utterance_id":7213,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7214,"start_s":7215,"end_s":7216,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":7217,"target_proposition":7218,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":2032,"rationale":7219,"indexable":244},1125,"83846","Y prometí que vamos a poner en la Constitución del Estado una regla de financiamiento del tipo de la FAPESP.",7338.02,7345.8,"d010205c-86a4-4310-be63-3bf62f84da6b","instituir norma constitucional de financiamiento de las universidades estatales basada en el modelo de FAPESP","Promete incluir en la Constitución estadual una regla de financiación al estilo de FAPESP.",{"idx":7221,"utterance_id":7222,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7223,"start_s":7224,"end_s":7225,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1126,"83847","para las tres universidades públicas de São Paulo.",7346.28,7348.3,{"idx":7227,"utterance_id":7228,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7229,"start_s":7230,"end_s":7231,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1127,"83848","Es la salida.",7348.78,7349.44,{"idx":7233,"utterance_id":7234,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7235,"start_s":7236,"end_s":7237,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1128,"83849","Así que no faltan buenas ideas, lo que falta es visión, visión de educación, visión de futuro.",7351.94,7360.56,{"idx":7239,"utterance_id":7240,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7241,"start_s":7242,"end_s":7243,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":7244,"topic_label":7245,"target_id":7246,"target_proposition":7247,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":7248,"indexable":244},1129,"83850","Tenemos un gobierno que, tanto en seguridad pública, como en educación, como en privatizaciones, estamos dando marcha atrás, estamos retrocediendo.",7361.3,7371.62,"venda-de-patrimonio-publico","Venta de Patrimonio Público","53834c29-c9a5-4e24-868a-fefe6001f3db","preservar las empresas estatales","Cita retroceso en las privatizaciones — critica y indica oposición al proceso actual.",{"idx":7250,"utterance_id":7251,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7252,"start_s":7253,"end_s":7254,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1130,"83851","Es muy angustiante verlo.",7372.86,7374.1,{"idx":7256,"utterance_id":7257,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7258,"start_s":7259,"end_s":7260,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1131,"83852","Y es más angustiante ver que la gente solo está tomando conocimiento de esto ahora, con la precampaña que estamos haciendo, porque la prensa no lo está divulgando.",7374.7,7383.7,{"idx":7262,"utterance_id":7263,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7264,"start_s":7265,"end_s":7266,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1132,"83853","Entonces tenemos que, de cierta manera, asumir el papel de divulgar lo que está ocurriendo y dejar que la persona tome su decisión el día de la elección.",7384.22,7393.74,{"idx":7268,"utterance_id":7269,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7270,"start_s":7271,"end_s":7272,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1133,"83854","Será ella quien sabrá si eso es bueno, pero la persona necesita saber lo que está ocurriendo.",7394.58,7399.04,{"idx":7274,"utterance_id":7275,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7276,"start_s":7277,"end_s":7278,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":7279,"target_proposition":7280,"stance":392,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":7281,"indexable":244},1134,"83855","¿Va a sustituir a un profesional especializado por un auxiliar, un ayudante para ocuparse de un tema tan sensible como la inclusión?",7400.64,7409.5,"7156a2db-29e7-4358-985f-72a54b3e5a76","sustituir profesionales especializados por auxiliares para inclusión escolar","Pregunta retóricamente si se deben sustituir profesionales especializados por auxiliares — critica la propuesta.",{"idx":7283,"utterance_id":7284,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7285,"start_s":7286,"end_s":7287,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1135,"83856","Son cosas espantosas, de las que ni siquiera podríamos oír hablar.",7409.94,7412.88,{"idx":7289,"utterance_id":7290,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7291,"start_s":7292,"end_s":7293,"word_count":117,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":6304,"target_proposition":6305,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":7294,"indexable":74},1136,"83857","¿Sabe usted lo que va a ocurrir?",7413.42,7414.88,"Argumenta que el retroceso llevará a segregar y a maltratar a las personas con discapacidad.",{"idx":7296,"utterance_id":7297,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7298,"start_s":7299,"end_s":7300,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1137,"83858","Va a ocurrir que se regresará a la no inclusión.",7415.78,7418.86,{"idx":7302,"utterance_id":7303,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7304,"start_s":7305,"end_s":7306,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},1138,"83859","Ese es el primer paso para segregar: será tratar de forma equivocada a una persona con discapacidad.",7419.5,7427.04,{"idx":7308,"utterance_id":7309,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7310,"start_s":7311,"end_s":7312,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},1139,"83860","Entonces los padres... por no haber tenido la experiencia de que sus hijos estuvieran definitivamente incluidos, empezarán a pedir lo contrario de la inclusión para que a sus hijos los traten bien.",7427.5,7440.22,{"idx":7314,"utterance_id":7315,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7316,"start_s":7317,"end_s":7318,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1140,"83861","Y la culpa habrá sido nuestra por no explicar y por no realizar la inclusión bien hecha.",7441.16,7446.62,{"idx":7320,"utterance_id":7321,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7322,"start_s":7323,"end_s":7324,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":6304,"target_proposition":6305,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":7325,"indexable":244},1141,"83862","Porque esta no solo educa a la persona con discapacidad, educa a quien no tiene discapacidad, educa a la persona para la diversidad, para respetar al prójimo, para entender lo que es la diferencia.",7447.24,7458.46,"Afirma que la inclusión educa tanto a personas con discapacidad como a las sin discapacidad.",{"idx":7327,"utterance_id":7328,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7329,"start_s":7330,"end_s":7331,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1142,"83863","para vivir en sociedad de manera digna.",7459.04,7462.26,{"idx":7333,"utterance_id":7334,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7335,"start_s":7336,"end_s":7337,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1143,"83864","Entonces, un día estaba con un hombre de la APAI; era un diputado federal famoso de Minas Gerais, Eduardo algo... muy famoso él, Barbosa, Eduardo Barbosa.",7462.66,7474.16,{"idx":7339,"utterance_id":7340,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7341,"start_s":7342,"end_s":7343,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1144,"83865","Y él decía así: 'no, porque mi hijo tiene derecho a tener una escuela especializada'.",7474.22,7480.64,{"idx":7345,"utterance_id":7346,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7347,"start_s":7348,"end_s":7349,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":7350,"target_proposition":7351,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":1231,"rationale":7352,"indexable":244},1145,"83866","Yo dije: 'Eduardo, creo que tu hijo tiene derecho a tener una escuela especializada, y yo estoy ofreciendo aquí un Fundeb que considera la matrícula en la APAI'.",7481.18,7488.54,"f4303902-11ad-44fe-adf5-f378023f3a2a","financiar matrículas en escuelas especializadas vía Fundeb","Dice que el Fundeb considera la matrícula en la APAI para financiación — propuesta de política.",{"idx":7354,"utterance_id":7355,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7356,"start_s":7357,"end_s":7358,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1146,"83867","una matrícula que sea financiada por el fondo.",7489.12,7491.22,{"idx":7360,"utterance_id":7361,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7362,"start_s":7363,"end_s":7364,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":6304,"target_proposition":6305,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":7365,"indexable":244},1147,"83868","Pero usted no puede quitarle el derecho a mi hijo de convivir con el suyo.",7491.76,7494.92,"Rechaza quitar el derecho a convivir con alumnos sin discapacidad — defiende inclusión conjunta.",{"idx":7367,"utterance_id":7368,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7369,"start_s":7370,"end_s":7371,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1148,"83869","Porque quiero que mi hijo sea educado con la sociedad tal como es. Y no en una burbuja, una fantasía.",7496.06,7503.26,{"idx":7373,"utterance_id":7374,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7375,"start_s":7376,"end_s":7377,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1149,"83870","Brasil es Brasil; tiene que estar en la escuela, en su totalidad.",7504.46,7507.98,{"idx":7379,"utterance_id":7380,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7381,"start_s":7382,"end_s":7383,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1150,"83871","Y entonces mi hijo va a saber lo que es Brasil.",7508.32,7510.12,{"idx":7385,"utterance_id":7386,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7387,"start_s":7388,"end_s":7389,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1151,"83872","Porque quiero eso para él.",7510.72,7512.32,{"idx":7391,"utterance_id":7392,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7393,"start_s":7394,"end_s":7395,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1152,"83873","No sirve de nada, porque el sueño de los adinerados de este país es colocar.",7512.48,7517.12,{"idx":7397,"utterance_id":7398,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7399,"start_s":7400,"end_s":7401,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1153,"83874","El hijo en algo que solo tiene todo el mundo.",7517.78,7519.72,{"idx":7403,"utterance_id":7404,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7405,"start_s":7406,"end_s":7407,"word_count":513,"indexable":74},1154,"83875","Ustedes saben que yo di... No voy a decir el nombre de la institución, pero había una institución educativa con gente tan parecida, tan parecida, tan parecida en el color de la piel, en el peso, en la forma de vestir, todo, todo, todo igual, todo igual, que la gente bromeaba así: mira, las madres no pueden venir a buscar a sus hijos a la escuela porque pueden llevarse al niño equivocado.",7519.76,7542.12,{"idx":7409,"utterance_id":7410,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7411,"start_s":7412,"end_s":7413,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1155,"83876","¿Entendieron?",7543.2,7543.48,{"idx":7415,"utterance_id":7416,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7417,"start_s":7418,"end_s":7419,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1156,"83877","Taman falta de diversidad.",7544.78,7546.9,{"idx":7421,"utterance_id":7422,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7423,"start_s":7424,"end_s":7425,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1157,"83878","Hay una enorme falta de noción de lo que es Brasil.",7546.98,7550.5,{"idx":7427,"utterance_id":7428,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7429,"start_s":7430,"end_s":7431,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1158,"83879","Y entonces, no queremos eso.",7551.2,7553.82,{"idx":7433,"utterance_id":7434,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7435,"start_s":7436,"end_s":7437,"word_count":342,"indexable":74},1159,"83880","Queremos lo opuesto, queremos ese Brasil que se inauguró hace muy poco tiempo, pero que se mira a sí mismo, se siente orgulloso de sí, no tiene miedo de ser quien es, conoce los desafíos que tiene por delante y decide enfrentarlos.",7554.58,7567.7,{"idx":7439,"utterance_id":7440,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7441,"start_s":7442,"end_s":7443,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},1160,"83881","Entonces, lo que todos están pidiendo aquí es lo siguiente: asumamos los problemas y enfrentemos el desafío.",7568.84,7573.56,{"idx":7445,"utterance_id":7446,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7447,"start_s":7448,"end_s":7449,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1161,"83882","Vamos a fingir que no existen.",7573.94,7575.38,{"idx":7451,"utterance_id":7452,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7453,"start_s":7454,"end_s":7455,"word_count":348,"indexable":74},1162,"83883","Así que estoy muy agradecida de haber escuchado, porque una cosa es que usted lea sobre esto, otra es que le hablen al respecto, y otra muy distinta es un testimonio de quien está sintiendo en carne propia este momento crítico que la educación paulista está viviendo.",7575.92,7591.94,{"idx":7457,"utterance_id":7458,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7459,"start_s":7460,"end_s":7461,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},1163,"83884","Para nosotros aquí, un gran aprendizaje; esto va a cualificar mucho el debate, va a cualificar mucho nuestra actuación en el debate, para llamar la atención de quienes no están en esta sala sobre los problemas,",7592.02,7604.14,{"idx":7463,"utterance_id":7464,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7465,"start_s":7466,"end_s":7467,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1164,"83885","que están ocurriendo en las escuelas aquí de São Paulo.",7604.18,7607.44,{"idx":7469,"utterance_id":7470,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7471,"start_s":7472,"end_s":7473,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1165,"83886","Así que, mis agradecimientos una vez más a ustedes.",7607.48,7611.04,{"idx":7475,"utterance_id":7476,"speaker_name":174,"speaker_slug":175,"text":7477,"start_s":7478,"end_s":7479,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1166,"83887","Ustedes deben saber que fueron muy importantes para nosotros.",7611.08,7615.16,{"idx":7481,"utterance_id":7482,"speaker_name":69,"text":7483,"start_s":7484,"end_s":7485,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1167,"83888","Muchas gracias, Haddad.",7615.86,7623.9,{"idx":7487,"utterance_id":7488,"speaker_name":69,"text":7489,"start_s":7490,"end_s":7491,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1168,"83889","Quiero solo pasar la palabra muy rápidamente, por favor.",7624.32,7628.48,{"idx":7493,"utterance_id":7494,"speaker_name":69,"text":4609,"start_s":7495,"end_s":7496,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1169,"83890",7628.68,7629.28,{"idx":7498,"utterance_id":7499,"speaker_name":69,"text":7500,"start_s":7501,"end_s":7502,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1170,"83891","Michele, ¿puedes hablar con nosotros, por favor?",7630.4,7632.36,{"idx":7504,"utterance_id":7505,"speaker_name":69,"text":7506,"start_s":7507,"end_s":7508,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1171,"83892","En un minuto, lo prometo.",7633.78,7634.8,{"idx":7510,"utterance_id":7511,"speaker_name":69,"text":7512,"start_s":7513,"end_s":7514,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":7515,"target_proposition":7516,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":361,"rationale":7517,"indexable":244},1172,"83893","Solo para tomar ese hilo, soy profesora de la Red Municipal de Enseñanza, ya fui profesional de la Red Estatal.",7635.18,7640.12,"e547c7bf-dfca-4607-9738-3e594cead4fc","implementar apoyo público adecuado para estudiantes con discapacidad y docentes","Relato personal acusa a la prefeitura\u002Festado de no atender a estudiantes y educadores — pide apoyo.",{"idx":7519,"utterance_id":7520,"speaker_name":69,"text":7521,"start_s":7522,"end_s":7523,"word_count":229,"indexable":74},1173,"83894","Estoy con mi dedo que fue mutilado en la puerta del aula, en una puerta de hierro, durante una crisis de un estudiante que tiene discapacidad intelectual.",7640.86,7648.54,{"idx":7525,"utterance_id":7526,"speaker_name":69,"text":7527,"start_s":7528,"end_s":7529,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1174,"83895","¿Y eso de quién es la culpa?",7648.7,7649.92,{"idx":7531,"utterance_id":7532,"speaker_name":69,"text":7533,"start_s":7534,"end_s":7535,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":7536,"topic_label":7537,"target_id":7538,"target_proposition":7539,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":7540,"indexable":244},1175,"83896","De una alcaldía, de hecho, que no atiende a los estudiantes, no atiende a las familias y mucho menos a los educadores.",7650.68,7656.3,"politicas-urbanas","Políticas Urbanas","7205d3f1-2f4e-4554-b1f9-b78f34721b34","implementar servicios públicos de apoyo (salud y asistencia) para familias y estudiantes","Afirma que las familias no cuentan con apoyo de los órganos públicos y enfrentan colas.",{"idx":7542,"utterance_id":7543,"speaker_name":69,"text":7544,"start_s":7545,"end_s":7546,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1176,"83897","Fue un momento de crisis, el estudiante pateó la puerta del aula y yo estaba en la puerta del aula intentando mediar esa situación.",7656.78,7663.8,{"idx":7548,"utterance_id":7549,"speaker_name":69,"text":7550,"start_s":7551,"end_s":7552,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1177,"83898","Estoy con colegas aquí, presidentes de los sindicatos presentes.",7664.56,7667.28,{"idx":7554,"utterance_id":7555,"speaker_name":69,"text":7556,"start_s":7557,"end_s":7558,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":7559,"topic_label":7560,"target_id":7561,"target_proposition":7562,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":6087,"rationale":7563,"indexable":244},1178,"83899","Esto no se divulgó ampliamente en la red, pero si de hecho hubiera sido un estudiante quien hubiera perdido su dedo en el aula, el profesor habría sido responsabilizado.",7667.76,7678.48,"protecao-ao-trabalhador-educador","Protección al Trabajador\u002FEducador","46a76c0b-adb6-4fa9-8485-379fea23f7a5","garantizar apoyo institucional y la adecuada responsabilización de docentes en incidentes escolares","Relata que, si un alumno perdiera un dedo, el profesor sería responsabilizado indebidamente.",{"idx":7565,"utterance_id":7566,"speaker_name":69,"text":7567,"start_s":7568,"end_s":7569,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1179,"83900","Sucede que las familias no tienen ese soporte por parte del poder público.",7679.14,7683.36,{"idx":7571,"utterance_id":7572,"speaker_name":69,"text":7573,"start_s":7574,"end_s":7575,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1180,"83901","En el Estado, en la alcaldía, no hay apoyo de los organismos que podrían auxiliar.",7683.96,7688.6,{"idx":7577,"utterance_id":7578,"speaker_name":69,"text":7579,"start_s":7580,"end_s":7581,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1181,"83902","Los padres pasan mucho tiempo en la fila",7688.66,7690.48,{"idx":7583,"utterance_id":7584,"speaker_name":69,"text":7585,"start_s":7586,"end_s":7587,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1182,"83903","del centro de salud, para conseguir una derivación a un neurólogo, psicólogo, etc.",7691.18,7695.14,{"idx":7589,"utterance_id":7590,"speaker_name":69,"text":7591,"start_s":7592,"end_s":7593,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":7594,"target_proposition":7595,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":7596,"indexable":244},1183,"83904","Así que esa política criminal, tanto del gobierno del Estado como del gobierno aquí de São Paulo, está, de hecho, enfermando a profesionales, familiares, estudiantes, y eso es inadmisible.",7695.74,7709.16,"9d1f0f4d-7f5d-4777-b2cc-01f7aae9dafe","implementar políticas de apoyo a la salud mental y a las condiciones de trabajo de los educadores","Califica de 'política criminosa' la acción del Estado que enferma a profesionales y estudiantes.",{"idx":7598,"utterance_id":7599,"speaker_name":69,"text":7600,"start_s":7601,"end_s":7602,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":7603,"topic_label":7604,"target_id":7605,"target_proposition":7606,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":377,"rationale":7607,"indexable":244},1184,"83905","Estoy con mi hijo aquí, que también es de la ETEC, estudiante de la red estatal de la ETEC, que también está en ruinas.",7709.2,7714.68,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infraestructura y saneamiento","e6042d56-b4e9-4422-b8ae-7186ab10a1e7","invertir en infraestructura de las escuelas estatales y ETECs","Relata el deterioro de la ETEC del hijo — pide mejoras en la red estatal.",{"idx":7609,"utterance_id":7610,"speaker_name":69,"text":7611,"start_s":7612,"end_s":7613,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1185,"83906","Agradezco a Marina por pedir la palabra.",7715.52,7716.78,{"idx":7615,"utterance_id":7616,"speaker_name":69,"text":7617,"start_s":7618,"end_s":7619,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":6302,"topic_label":6303,"target_id":6304,"target_proposition":6305,"stance":241,"stance_confidence":242,"rationale":7620,"indexable":244},1186,"83907","Sé que me salté el protocolo, pero... Como estamos hablando de inclusión, es necesaria una inclusión efectiva para todos los estudiantes, para que tengan, de hecho, la educación que merecen en las escuelas, y no fuera de ellas.",7716.82,7728.8,"Declara la necesidad de inclusión efectiva para que los estudiantes tengan educación adecuada.",{"idx":7622,"utterance_id":7623,"speaker_name":69,"text":7624,"start_s":7625,"end_s":7626,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},1187,"83908","Tienen que aprender allí, y eso, de hecho, es una inclusión de todos nosotros: sociedad, estudiantes, estudiantes con discapacidad.",7728.84,7734.4,{"idx":7628,"utterance_id":7629,"speaker_name":69,"text":7630,"start_s":7631,"end_s":7632,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1188,"83909","Muchas gracias, y estamos deseando que usted sea gobernador.",7734.48,7737.28,{"idx":7634,"utterance_id":7635,"speaker_name":69,"text":7636,"start_s":7637,"end_s":7638,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1189,"83910","Muchísimas gracias de verdad.",7737.34,7738.08,{"idx":7640,"utterance_id":7641,"speaker_name":69,"text":7642,"start_s":7643,"end_s":7644,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},1190,"83911","Muchas gracias por su testimonio.",7743.34,7745.18,{"idx":7646,"utterance_id":7647,"speaker_name":69,"text":7648,"start_s":7649,"end_s":7650,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1191,"83912","Voy a finalizar, gente.",7745.84,7748.14,{"idx":7652,"utterance_id":7653,"speaker_name":69,"text":7654,"start_s":7655,"end_s":7656,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},1192,"83913","Muchas gracias por la presencia de todos ustedes.",7748.76,7751.64,{"idx":7658,"utterance_id":7659,"speaker_name":69,"text":7660,"start_s":7661,"end_s":7662,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},1193,"83914","Sé que hay mucha más gente que quiere hablar, pero realmente tenemos horario, ¿de acuerdo?",7751.84,7757.72,{"idx":7664,"utterance_id":7665,"speaker_name":69,"text":7666,"start_s":7667,"end_s":7668,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1194,"83915","Fue muy importante que abriéramos este canal de escucha.",7758.32,7761.6,{"idx":7670,"utterance_id":7671,"speaker_name":69,"text":7672,"start_s":7673,"end_s":7674,"word_count":179,"indexable":74},1195,"83916","Tengo la certeza de que de aquí saldrán ideas e iniciativas fundamentales para el futuro de la educación pública de São Paulo.",7761.74,7767.22,{"idx":7676,"utterance_id":7677,"speaker_name":69,"text":1981,"start_s":7678,"end_s":7679,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1196,"83917",7767.6,7782.38,"es",{"job_id":7682,"title":7683,"source_url":7684,"platform":7685,"content_type":7686,"published_at":7687,"duration_sec":7688,"n_classified":7689,"speakers":7690},"66de7a0c-7068-4b42-a321-fb5ea8fd625f","VOZES DE SP | EDUCAÇÃO","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=-gP2gjZieVc","youtube","video","2026-08-06T20:00:06Z",7782.388438,1197,[7691],{"name":174,"slug":175,"n_falas":1816},"https:\u002F\u002Fi.ytimg.com\u002Fvi\u002F-gP2gjZieVc\u002Fhqdefault.jpg",{"limit":4,"offset":5,"speakers":7694,"total":301},[7695,7709,7721,7730,7738,7749,7760,7768,7775,7786],{"slug":7696,"name":7697,"party":7698,"role":7698,"state":7698,"n_speeches":7699,"consistency_score":5,"top_topics":7700,"photo_url":7704,"bio_short":7698,"wikidata_id":7705,"mandate_status":7706,"social_links":7707},"renan-santos","Renan Santos","",22525,[7701,7702,7703],"Abuso de Autoridad","Acciones afirmativas","Acción 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judicial","\u002Fprofiles\u002Fkim-kataguiri\u002Fphoto.png","Q21715169",{"twitter":7785},"@KimKataguiri",{"slug":7787,"name":7788,"party":7698,"role":7698,"state":7789,"n_speeches":7790,"consistency_score":5,"top_topics":7791,"photo_url":7793,"bio_short":7698,"wikidata_id":7794,"mandate_status":7706,"social_links":7795},"flavio-bolsonaro","Flavio Bolsonaro","RJ",8066,[7792,7703,7715],"Acción de oposición","\u002Fprofiles\u002Fflavio-bolsonaro\u002Fphoto.png","Q10283057",{"twitter":7796},"@FlavioBolsonaro"]