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mil veintiséis en la TMC.",3.04,5.3,8,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":8,"text":23,"start_s":24,"end_s":25,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},2,"147382","Son las diez horas treinta y tres minutos; continuamos la serie de sabatinas con los candidatos al Senado por São Paulo.",8.28,15.5,22,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":29,"speaker_name":8,"text":30,"start_s":31,"end_s":32,"word_count":19,"indexable":13},3,"147383","Hoy vamos a entrevistar a Simone Tebet del PSB.",15.6,18.76,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":35,"speaker_name":8,"text":36,"start_s":37,"end_s":38,"word_count":39,"indexable":13},4,"147384","Debit fue ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto, senadora por Mato Grosso do Sul y candidata a la presidencia de la República en 2022.",19.44,26.9,21,{"idx":41,"utterance_id":42,"speaker_name":8,"text":43,"start_s":44,"end_s":45,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},5,"147385","Para esta entrevista también contaremos con la presencia de nuestro columnista de la TMC, Wilson Pedroso.",27.9,33.02,14,{"idx":48,"utterance_id":49,"speaker_name":8,"text":50,"start_s":51,"end_s":52,"word_count":19,"indexable":13},6,"147386","Candidata, muchas gracias por su presencia, sea muy bienvenida.",33.62,36.56,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":55,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":58,"start_s":59,"end_s":60,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},7,"147387","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","Gracias, Fernanda, saludarte, saludar a Rafael, saludar a Wilson y a todos los que nos están acompañando por todo este grupo TMC, no solo en São Paulo, sino en todo Brasil.",37.02,47.34,31,{"idx":19,"utterance_id":63,"speaker_name":8,"text":64,"start_s":65,"end_s":66,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},"147388","Bueno, como tenemos 21 minutos de sabatina, le pediré la gentileza, señora, de ser objetiva para que podamos abordar varios temas.",48.14,54.52,25,{"idx":69,"utterance_id":70,"speaker_name":8,"text":71,"start_s":72,"end_s":73,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},9,"147389","Y siempre empezamos con una pregunta que hacemos a todos los candidatos.",54.66,58.6,16,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":8,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":13},10,"147390","Por qué quiere usted ser senadora y cuál es la principal bandera de su mandato?",59.08,63.44,15,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":21,"indexable":13},11,"147391","Gracias, Fernanda.",63.48,64.66,{"idx":89,"utterance_id":90,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":91,"start_s":92,"end_s":93,"word_count":69,"topic_slug":94,"topic_label":95,"target_id":96,"target_proposition":97,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":100,"indexable":101},12,"147392","Bueno, quiero ser la voz de São Paulo.",64.76,66.42,"representacao-politica","Representación política","84c91a03-e21b-4d8b-b858-6bfbfcd9ec08","representar y dar voz a los electores en el Congreso Nacional","a_favor",0.9,"Declara querer ser 'a voz de São Paulo' en el Senado.",true,{"idx":103,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},13,"147393","São Paulo es la locomotora de Brasil.",66.8,68.46,{"idx":46,"utterance_id":109,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":110,"start_s":111,"end_s":112,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},"147394","Si São Paulo va bien, Brasil va bien.",68.88,70.82,{"idx":81,"utterance_id":114,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":115,"start_s":116,"end_s":117,"word_count":83,"indexable":13},"147395","Cuando São Paulo va mal, Brasil lo siente en primer lugar.",71.02,75.28,{"idx":74,"utterance_id":119,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":120,"start_s":121,"end_s":122,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},"147396","São Paulo es el estado que más produce, que más genera empleo e ingresos.",76.24,79.06,{"idx":124,"utterance_id":125,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":126,"start_s":127,"end_s":128,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},17,"147397","Y creo que, por mi trayectoria, tengo experiencia, ya fui senadora, ya fui alcaldesa por dos mandatos; siento esa falta de representatividad en São Paulo hasta el punto de ver que, mientras Brasil creció 2,5% el año pasado, São Paulo solo creció 0,5%.",79.58,97.58,43,{"idx":131,"utterance_id":132,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":133,"start_s":134,"end_s":135,"word_count":61,"topic_slug":136,"topic_label":137,"target_id":138,"target_proposition":139,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":140,"rationale":141,"indexable":101},18,"147398","Soy municipalista por naturaleza; quiero ser senadora para abrir las puertas de mi despacho a los 645 municipios, independientemente de la adscripción partidaria, porque es en los municipios donde vive la gente.",98.26,110.72,"politica-local","Política local","3dc1fd2d-314c-4072-a968-b2ff10806102","fortalecer la autonomía y el financiamiento de los municipios",0.88,"Propone abrir un gabinete para 645 municipios independientemente del partido.",{"idx":143,"utterance_id":144,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":145,"start_s":146,"end_s":147,"word_count":148,"topic_slug":149,"topic_label":150,"target_id":151,"target_proposition":152,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":153,"rationale":154,"indexable":101},19,"147399","Y quiero, obviamente, traer recursos para obras de infraestructura, inversiones, atacando algunos problemas que son gravísimos; solo los voy a nombrar por cuestión de tiempo.",111.16,120.96,23,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infraestructura y saneamiento","8ec96969-6a4c-4668-b210-46d5d4d2c29b","atraer y asignar recursos para obras de infraestructura",0.92,"Dice que quiere traer recursos para obras de infraestructura e inversiones.",{"idx":156,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":124,"topic_slug":161,"topic_label":162,"target_id":163,"target_proposition":164,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":165,"indexable":101},20,"147400","El problema de la seguridad pública, y ahí, obviamente, el ámbito de la violencia contra la mujer, muy claramente.",121.26,127.22,"seguranca-nacional","Seguridad Nacional","ba4691a2-864d-44af-b708-1043d53bfc34","fortalecer la seguridad pública","Declara la seguridad pública como problema número uno y prioridad.",{"idx":39,"utterance_id":167,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":168,"start_s":169,"end_s":170,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":171,"topic_label":172,"target_id":173,"target_proposition":174,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":175,"indexable":101},"147401","El problema del transporte, de la movilidad urbana en la región metropolitana de São Paulo.",127.64,132.94,"mobilidade-urbana-e-logistica","Movilidad urbana y logística","e37c4be8-c4a1-4e7c-be7e-f457c27616d5","mejorar la movilidad urbana y la logística","Indica el transporte y la movilidad urbana como problema a abordar.",{"idx":26,"utterance_id":177,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":178,"start_s":179,"end_s":180,"word_count":34,"topic_slug":181,"topic_label":182,"target_id":183,"target_proposition":184,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":185,"indexable":13},"147402","educación, salud e infraestructura.",133.3,135.22,"educacao","Educación","a9f9a5f8-f7cc-4679-88a6-0ac8027df684","aumentar inversiones en educación pública en Paraná","Enumera la educación como área prioritaria de actuación.",{"idx":148,"utterance_id":187,"speaker_name":8,"text":188,"start_s":189,"end_s":190,"word_count":143,"indexable":13},"147403","De los que usted citó, ¿cuál es el número uno en su evaluación de los problemas aquí en São Paulo?",135.54,140.26,{"idx":192,"utterance_id":193,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":194,"start_s":195,"end_s":196,"word_count":89,"topic_slug":161,"topic_label":162,"target_id":163,"target_proposition":164,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":197,"indexable":101},24,"147404","En general, si fuera a analizar en general, la seguridad pública, sin ninguna duda.",140.28,144.96,"Afirma que la seguridad pública es, en general, la prioridad sin duda.",{"idx":67,"utterance_id":199,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":200,"start_s":201,"end_s":202,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":161,"topic_label":162,"target_id":203,"target_proposition":204,"stance":205,"stance_confidence":206,"rationale":207,"indexable":101},"147405","Es verdad que algunos delitos contra el patrimonio han disminuido, estamos hablando de hurtos y robos, pero la percepción de la sociedad no es esa.",145.32,153.22,"32408c11-642e-4619-9f8a-519d006882eb","reducir la violencia","neutro_descritivo",0.75,"Relata una reducción en algunos delitos sin presentar nueva política.",{"idx":209,"utterance_id":210,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":211,"start_s":212,"end_s":213,"word_count":61,"topic_slug":161,"topic_label":162,"target_id":214,"target_proposition":215,"stance":205,"stance_confidence":216,"rationale":217,"indexable":13},26,"147406","La cuestión del robo y hurto de celulares es gravísima, no solo porque quita aquello que hoy es más sagrado para el trabajador, para la clase media y para la sociedad.",153.58,162.26,"ee8f5616-94a7-4fdf-ae87-1f2bd1fd1200","combatir el narcotráfico y la criminalidad",0.72,"Describe la gravedad del robo de celulares, sin proponer medida específica.",{"idx":219,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":161,"topic_label":162,"target_id":225,"target_proposition":226,"stance":205,"stance_confidence":206,"rationale":227,"indexable":101},27,"147407","sino porque detrás hay un rastro del crimen organizado, haciendo dinero y luego lavándolo en actividades lícitas; no son solo actividades ilícitas como drogas y armas, lavando dinero por todo el estado de São Paulo y sembrando el terror en las familias paulistas.",162.6,181.24,46,"0dc19bca-815a-4d89-976b-95909de0016c","combatir el lavado de dinero","Relaciona hurtos con crimen organizado y lavado de dinero, en tono descriptivo.",{"idx":229,"utterance_id":230,"speaker_name":8,"text":231,"start_s":232,"end_s":233,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},28,"147408","Candidata, buenos días.",182.26,183.76,{"idx":235,"utterance_id":236,"speaker_name":8,"text":237,"start_s":238,"end_s":239,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},29,"147409","Cuando comenzaron los rumores de que usted sería candidata al Senado aquí en São Paulo, el año pasado usted respondía que su estado era Mato Grosso do Sul.",184.48,193.02,{"idx":241,"utterance_id":242,"speaker_name":8,"text":243,"start_s":244,"end_s":245,"word_count":143,"indexable":13},30,"147410","Ahora, usted es candidata al Senado aquí en São Paulo, pidiendo ocho años a los electores paulistas en el Senado.",193.68,201.1,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":247,"speaker_name":8,"text":248,"start_s":249,"end_s":250,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},"147411","¿Qué cambió?",201.44,202,{"idx":252,"utterance_id":253,"speaker_name":8,"text":254,"start_s":255,"end_s":256,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},32,"147412","¿Su relación con el pueblo paulista, con São Paulo, o la oportunidad electoral?",202.36,207.38,{"idx":258,"utterance_id":259,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":260,"start_s":261,"end_s":262,"word_count":263,"indexable":13},33,"147413","Wilson, en 2022 fui candidata a la presidencia de la República y el Estado que más me acogió, que más me dio votos proporcionalmente —porque numéricamente, lógicamente, tenía que ser São Paulo, que es el estado más poblado de Brasil— pero proporcionalmente, lejos de los demás, fue el Estado de São Paulo.",208.22,224.12,52,{"idx":265,"utterance_id":266,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":267,"start_s":268,"end_s":269,"word_count":103,"indexable":13},34,"147414","En una elección absolutamente polarizada tuve aquí casi el 10% de los votos en la capital.",224.5,229.98,{"idx":271,"utterance_id":272,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":273,"start_s":274,"end_s":275,"word_count":81,"indexable":13},35,"147415","En una elección en la que teníamos candidatos que ya habían sido... candidatos a la presidencia varias veces.",230.56,236.44,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":278,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":279,"start_s":280,"end_s":281,"word_count":81,"indexable":13},36,"147416","Las propuestas que presenté fueron propuestas que agradaron mucho al Estado de São Paulo.",236.8,243.98,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":288,"indexable":13},37,"147417","Entonces, cuando vi que São Paulo me acogió, teniendo historia con São Paulo —no solo por mis abuelos que llegaron inmigrantes del Líbano, sino porque estudié en São Paulo, hice la maestría en São Paulo, estoy casada con un paulista de Birigui, llevo 37 años con él, mis hijas viven aquí desde hace 10 años, pago impuestos en São Paulo, tengo propiedades.",244.28,263.7,63,{"idx":290,"utterance_id":291,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":292,"start_s":293,"end_s":294,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":296,"topic_label":297,"target_id":298,"target_proposition":299,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":206,"rationale":300,"indexable":101},38,"147418","Para que se haga una idea, en enero de 2023, cuando São Paulo padeció aquel problema de desastre natural que afectó el litoral de la Baixada Santista, Litoral Norte, de Ilhabela, pasando por Ubatuba, Guarujá, en fin, yo estaba en Guarujá y ayudé allí rápidamente a socorrer y buscamos recursos.",263.92,282.64,47,"resposta-a-desastres","Respuesta a desastres","d0a1770e-aca5-4300-8b4b-5c4c2182e79f","enviar ayuda a las ciudades en situación de calamidad","Reivindica haber ayudado a socorrer y a conseguir recursos como ministra.",{"idx":302,"utterance_id":303,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":304,"start_s":305,"end_s":306,"word_count":26,"topic_slug":307,"topic_label":308,"target_id":309,"target_proposition":310,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":206,"rationale":311,"indexable":101},39,"147419","Y como ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto, tuve una visión general de Brasil, ayudando incluso mucho al Estado de São Paulo.",283.38,290.52,"planejamento-e-orcamento","Planificación y Presupuesto","02aa9df9-5a6c-40ac-adce-af7edb5c2f10","conceder subsidios a sectores o regiones específicos","Menciona su labor como ministra de Planificación ayudando a São Paulo.",{"idx":313,"utterance_id":314,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":315,"start_s":316,"end_s":317,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},40,"147420","La forma que tengo de ayudar a São Paulo y ayudar a Brasil es presentándome con todo mi coraje, en mi trabajo como candidata al Senado por São Paulo.",290.86,301.58,{"idx":319,"utterance_id":320,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":321,"start_s":322,"end_s":323,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},41,"147421","Quiero poder, quiero creer que, de alguna forma, las encuestas muestran que hice una elección acertada, porque las encuestas siempre lo muestran.",301.92,312.28,{"idx":325,"utterance_id":326,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":327,"start_s":328,"end_s":329,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},42,"147422","En primer y segundo lugar, claro que es una fotografía, pero recibo con mucha humildad esos números, porque la campaña apenas comenzó, aunque con mucha alegría.",312.32,320.92,{"idx":129,"utterance_id":331,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":332,"start_s":333,"end_s":334,"word_count":61,"topic_slug":335,"topic_label":336,"target_id":337,"target_proposition":338,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":140,"rationale":339,"indexable":101},"147423","Es señal de que, verdaderamente, esa frente amplia que yo represento necesitaba una voz de mujer, una voz centrada, una voz de alguien que no pertenece a ninguno de los polos.",321.32,330.86,"direitos-das-mulheres","Derechos de las mujeres","bcc22072-6f20-4d49-90d9-f0f2988f8e6d","promover la representación femenina en la política","Dice que la frente amplia necesitaba 'uma voz de mulher'.",{"idx":341,"utterance_id":342,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":343,"start_s":344,"end_s":345,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},44,"147424","No soy del polo de la izquierda, no soy del polo de la extrema derecha.",331,334.22,{"idx":347,"utterance_id":348,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":349,"start_s":350,"end_s":351,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},45,"147425","Y creo que la población de São Paulo también está cansada de esa polarización.",334.6,338.9,{"idx":224,"utterance_id":353,"speaker_name":8,"text":354,"start_s":355,"end_s":356,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},"147426","Candidata, aún sobre este asunto, y para que lo cerremos también, pero no hay.",339.32,343.5,{"idx":295,"utterance_id":358,"speaker_name":8,"text":359,"start_s":360,"end_s":361,"word_count":252,"indexable":13},"147427","Cómo no preguntar: una de las críticas hechas al gobernador Tarcísio de Freitas, incluso desde su propio campo, desde sus alianzas, en fin, es precisamente que él no es de São Paulo.",343.56,353.54,{"idx":363,"utterance_id":364,"speaker_name":8,"text":365,"start_s":366,"end_s":367,"word_count":81,"indexable":13},48,"147428","Entonces, ¿por qué esa crítica, de repente, valdría para Tarcísio y no para usted?",353.58,357.66,{"idx":369,"utterance_id":370,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":371,"start_s":372,"end_s":373,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},49,"147429","Bueno, Fernanda, primero que nunca hice esa crítica.",357.92,360.26,{"idx":375,"utterance_id":376,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":377,"start_s":378,"end_s":379,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},50,"147430","Acertó al decir que la gente lo dijo.",360.5,362.82,{"idx":381,"utterance_id":382,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":383,"start_s":384,"end_s":385,"word_count":209,"indexable":13},51,"147431","Y, aunque alguien hubiera hecho esa crítica, aunque yo la hubiera hecho o no, creo que la población dio la respuesta en las urnas.",363.34,371.02,{"idx":263,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},"147432","Eligió a un carioca que ni siquiera tenía propiedades aquí.",371.42,374.54,{"idx":392,"utterance_id":393,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":394,"start_s":395,"end_s":396,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},53,"147433","Tengo inmuebles aquí, tengo hijas que viven aquí.",374.9,377,{"idx":398,"utterance_id":399,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":400,"start_s":401,"end_s":402,"word_count":83,"indexable":13},54,"147434","Como dijo mi marido, aquí mi equipo de fútbol es paulista.",377.34,380.38,{"idx":404,"utterance_id":405,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":406,"start_s":407,"end_s":408,"word_count":103,"indexable":13},55,"147435","Bromeé cuando Tarcísio hizo ese comentario respecto a mí también.",380.82,384.48,{"idx":410,"utterance_id":411,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":412,"start_s":413,"end_s":414,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},56,"147436","Y la población eligió a Tarcísio, porque São Paulo es una tierra de todos.",385.28,390.78,{"idx":416,"utterance_id":417,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":418,"start_s":419,"end_s":420,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},57,"147437","São Paulo es diferente de todos los estados brasileños.",391.34,393.8,{"idx":422,"utterance_id":423,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":424,"start_s":425,"end_s":426,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},58,"147438","São Paulo es la cara de la diversidad que queremos para Brasil.",394.12,397.12,{"idx":428,"utterance_id":429,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":430,"start_s":431,"end_s":432,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},59,"147439","Acoge a todas las personas que vienen del norte, del nordeste.",397.6,400.44,{"idx":434,"utterance_id":435,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":436,"start_s":437,"end_s":438,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},60,"147440","Es lo que es gracias a la sangre, al sudor, a la lágrima, al esfuerzo laboral de un pueblo valiente brasileño aquí, en un momento de miseria, de desigualdad.",400.6,411.38,{"idx":440,"utterance_id":441,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":442,"start_s":443,"end_s":444,"word_count":39,"indexable":13},61,"147441","Del siglo pasado, finales del siglo pasado, principios de este siglo, hace 15, 20 años, buscaron refugio en São Paulo.",412.14,420.22,{"idx":446,"utterance_id":447,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":448,"start_s":449,"end_s":450,"word_count":89,"indexable":13},62,"147442","Quizás por eso São Paulo sea la mayor potencia de América Latina.",420.44,423.72,{"idx":288,"utterance_id":452,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":453,"start_s":454,"end_s":455,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},"147443","Nada se iguala en riqueza al estado de São Paulo y creo que es fruto de esa diversidad.",424.16,428.98,{"idx":457,"utterance_id":458,"speaker_name":8,"text":459,"start_s":460,"end_s":461,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},64,"147444","En 2022 usted disputó la presidencia de la República, luego apoyó al presidente Lula en la segunda vuelta, y después fue ministra durante el gobierno.",429.38,437.82,{"idx":463,"utterance_id":464,"speaker_name":8,"text":465,"start_s":466,"end_s":467,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},65,"147445","Cuando se piensa en economía, usted se alinea bastante con la idea... de la llamada centroderecha.",438.08,443.64,{"idx":469,"utterance_id":470,"speaker_name":8,"text":471,"start_s":472,"end_s":473,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},66,"147446","¿En qué posiciones divergió entonces usted del gobierno de Lula y diverge del gobierno de Lula?",443.74,448.46,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":476,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":477,"start_s":478,"end_s":479,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},67,"147447","En la agenda fiscal.",448.7,449.56,{"idx":481,"utterance_id":482,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":483,"start_s":484,"end_s":485,"word_count":69,"topic_slug":486,"topic_label":487,"target_id":488,"target_proposition":489,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":490,"indexable":101},68,"147448","Tengo mucha identidad en la agenda de derechos humanos.",450.16,453.02,"direitos-humanos","Derechos Humanos","21f5f7c5-ea54-4679-b242-8d0d6e4f6fd0","asegurar respeto y preservación de derechos para todas las personas","declara identidad con la agenda de derechos humanos y la lucha contra la desigualdad.",{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":103,"indexable":13},69,"147449","Brasil, un país tan rico, no puede tener un pueblo tan pobre.",453.66,456.86,{"idx":498,"utterance_id":499,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":500,"start_s":501,"end_s":502,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},70,"147450","Esto es una vergüenza para todos nosotros.",456.88,458.4,{"idx":504,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},71,"147451","Esa desigualdad social, que es una de las mayores del mundo, eso debe avergonzarme a mí, que soy del agro, y a los grandes banqueros de este país.",459.12,468.46,{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":271,"indexable":13},72,"147452","Entonces, eso de preocuparse por las personas, de enfocarse en los derechos humanos, de tener una agenda dirigida a la clase media y a la clase menos favorecida, eso me une al gobierno del presidente Lula.",468.84,478.76,{"idx":516,"utterance_id":517,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":518,"start_s":519,"end_s":520,"word_count":19,"indexable":13},73,"147453","Ahora, la forma de hacerlo, tengo divergencias.",478.78,481.76,{"idx":522,"utterance_id":523,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":524,"start_s":525,"end_s":526,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},74,"147454","Y él lo sabía.",481.88,482.86,{"idx":528,"utterance_id":529,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":530,"start_s":531,"end_s":532,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},75,"147455","Mira qué cosa interesante.",483.56,484.78,{"idx":534,"utterance_id":535,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":536,"start_s":537,"end_s":538,"word_count":89,"indexable":13},76,"147456","El presidente Lula, aunque de izquierda, gobierna con el campo democrático.",485.04,488.88,{"idx":540,"utterance_id":541,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":542,"start_s":543,"end_s":544,"word_count":103,"indexable":13},77,"147457","Él le dio a alguien más fiscalista la llave del presupuesto brasileño en la mano.",488.94,493.66,{"idx":546,"utterance_id":547,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":548,"start_s":549,"end_s":550,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},78,"147458","Para mí, no van en paralelo.",496.06,499.66,{"idx":552,"utterance_id":553,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":554,"start_s":555,"end_s":556,"word_count":258,"indexable":13},79,"147459","Para hacer justicia social, para garantizar vivienda para todos, vivienda propia, empleo, ingresos, la valorización del salario mínimo, se puede luchar por el fin de la escala 6x1 sin por ello comprometer lo fiscal.",500.08,515.42,{"idx":558,"utterance_id":559,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":560,"start_s":561,"end_s":562,"word_count":103,"indexable":13},80,"147460","Una frase muy simple: los problemas de Brasil caben dentro del presupuesto brasileño.",515.72,520.74,{"idx":564,"utterance_id":565,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":566,"start_s":567,"end_s":568,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},81,"147461","¿Sabe cuál es el problema, Rafael?",520.82,522.22,{"idx":570,"utterance_id":571,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":572,"start_s":573,"end_s":574,"word_count":39,"indexable":13},82,"147462","El problema es la corrupción, el problema son los desperdicios, el problema son los privilegios, el problema son las enmiendas parlamentarias.",522.58,531.22,{"idx":576,"utterance_id":577,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":578,"start_s":579,"end_s":580,"word_count":39,"indexable":13},83,"147463","Más de 60 mil millones de reales, cuando en el presupuesto sólo quedan 200 mil millones, de los 200 mil millones que quedan para gastos libres.",531.26,539.62,{"idx":582,"utterance_id":583,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":584,"start_s":585,"end_s":586,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},84,"147464","Aparte de lo que va a la salud, a la educación, para pagar jubilados, funcionarios, lo que un presidente de la República tiene del presupuesto son 200 mil millones de reales.",540.06,549.98,{"idx":588,"utterance_id":589,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":590,"start_s":591,"end_s":592,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},85,"147465","De esos, 60 mil millones son, es un término que uso, son confiscados, aunque estén en la ley, por el Congreso Nacional.",550.54,558.74,{"idx":594,"utterance_id":595,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":596,"start_s":597,"end_s":598,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},86,"147466","Nadie gobierna el país, nadie resuelve los problemas de esa forma.",559.04,561.74,{"idx":600,"utterance_id":601,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":602,"start_s":603,"end_s":604,"word_count":48,"topic_slug":605,"topic_label":606,"target_id":607,"target_proposition":608,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":609,"indexable":13},87,"147467","Es, inclusive, una de mis banderas.",562.04,564.48,"orcamento-publico","Presupuesto público","b2d8460a-50c8-42a1-b550-6e72eb07e03e","recortar supersalarios y cargos inútiles en el sector público","declara como bandera disminuir montos y recortar privilegios en el presupuesto.",{"idx":611,"utterance_id":612,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":613,"start_s":614,"end_s":615,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},88,"147468","Es reducir mucho esas cifras.",564.84,567.04,{"idx":617,"utterance_id":618,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":619,"start_s":620,"end_s":621,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},89,"147469","No estoy en contra de las enmiendas parlamentarias, los valores modestos, para que llegue ahí la tablet, a un distrito paupérrimo de una escuela municipal.",567.12,575.18,{"idx":623,"utterance_id":624,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":625,"start_s":626,"end_s":627,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":628,"topic_label":629,"target_id":630,"target_proposition":631,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":632,"indexable":101},90,"147470","Lo que no puede ser es que senadores y diputados tengan 60 mil millones de reales sin transparencia, sin rastreabilidad, dejando el lastre de la corrupción en el camino.",575.58,585.56,"transparencia-e-investigacao","Transparencia e investigación","673f6d4d-a1dd-4170-895c-65bd0b3668e2","garantizar transparencia y fiscalización sobre enmiendas parlamentarias","critica 60 mil millones en enmiendas sin transparencia, pide trazabilidad.",{"idx":634,"utterance_id":635,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":636,"start_s":637,"end_s":638,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},91,"147471","Entonces eso es inconcebible, mientras tenemos tantos problemas sociales graves por resolver en el Estado de São Paulo y en Brasil.",586,592.34,{"idx":640,"utterance_id":641,"speaker_name":8,"text":642,"start_s":643,"end_s":644,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},92,"147472","Pero ¿hay algún ejemplo específico, algún momento en el que usted dijera, presidente, 'específicamente con esto yo estoy en contra'?",592.58,599.22,{"idx":646,"utterance_id":647,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":648,"start_s":649,"end_s":650,"word_count":19,"indexable":13},93,"147473","No, porque mi parte siempre fue la fiscal.",600.1,601.96,{"idx":652,"utterance_id":653,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":654,"start_s":655,"end_s":656,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},94,"147474","Entonces, es al revés.",602.02,603.16,{"idx":658,"utterance_id":659,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":660,"start_s":661,"end_s":662,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},95,"147475","Él decía, mira, hasta aquí voy, Simone, aquí ya no voy más.",603.24,605.98,{"idx":664,"utterance_id":665,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":666,"start_s":667,"end_s":668,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":605,"topic_label":606,"target_id":669,"target_proposition":670,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":671,"rationale":672,"indexable":101},96,"147476","Presentábamos una cantidad; tenemos allí un librito preparado de revisión de gastos, de cómo disminuir los gastos públicos sin quitar ninguna política pública.",606.02,616.1,"f5b33ad8-97a6-43c7-af9f-599dd0ddda76","revisar el gasto público sin recortar políticas sociales esenciales",0.85,"presentaba 'caderninho' de revisión de gastos sin quitar políticas.",{"idx":674,"utterance_id":675,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":676,"start_s":677,"end_s":678,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},97,"147477","No es necesario, de nuevo, los problemas de Brasil caben dentro del presupuesto brasileño.",616.32,621.1,{"idx":680,"utterance_id":681,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":682,"start_s":683,"end_s":684,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},98,"147478","No necesito quitar ningún derecho.",621.38,623.06,{"idx":686,"utterance_id":687,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":688,"start_s":689,"end_s":690,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},99,"147479","Ninguna política pública.",623.3,624.64,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":83,"topic_slug":697,"topic_label":698,"target_id":699,"target_proposition":700,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":701,"rationale":702,"indexable":101},100,"147480","No necesito tocar ni debo tocar la Bolsa Família.",624.94,627.68,"politica-social","Política social","1a322bcd-eaa0-404f-8c96-b03b87fb25dd","fortalecer programas de transferencia de ingresos (Bolsa Família)",0.95,"afirma explícitamente que no se debe tocar el Bolsa Família.",{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":709,"topic_label":710,"target_id":711,"target_proposition":712,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":701,"rationale":713,"indexable":101},101,"147481","El Minha Casa Minha Vida tiene que ser ampliado para garantizar más vivienda.",627.96,631.64,"politica-habitacional-ideologia","Política Habitacional \u002F Ideología","8578b5c7-c6f0-43e1-9165-0ac530dd74be","ampliar el programa Minha Casa Minha Vida","dice que el Minha Casa Minha Vida debe ser ampliado para vivienda.",{"idx":715,"utterance_id":716,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":717,"start_s":718,"end_s":719,"word_count":83,"indexable":13},102,"147482","Tengo que, en paralelo a eso, hacer una revisión de gastos.",632,634.52,{"idx":721,"utterance_id":722,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":723,"start_s":724,"end_s":725,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},103,"147483","¿Cómo?",634.64,634.94,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":728,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":729,"start_s":730,"end_s":731,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":732,"topic_label":733,"target_id":734,"target_proposition":735,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":736,"indexable":101},104,"147484","Cortando privilegios en el Poder Judicial, en el Poder Legislativo, haciendo una reforma administrativa dentro del Ejecutivo.",635.24,642.18,"reforma-politica","Reforma política","6e38f847-bd3c-481a-bfb6-722101dd8ab8","realizar reforma administrativa federal","defiende reforma administrativa dentro del Ejecutivo para ahorrar.",{"idx":738,"utterance_id":739,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":740,"start_s":741,"end_s":742,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},105,"147485","Entonces, presentábamos un menú.",642.46,644.4,{"idx":744,"utterance_id":745,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":746,"start_s":747,"end_s":748,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},106,"147486","Él seleccionaba y decía: mándelo al Congreso Nacional.",644.82,647.44,{"idx":750,"utterance_id":751,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":752,"start_s":753,"end_s":754,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},107,"147487","Porque además él tenía razón en un punto.",647.78,651.1,{"idx":756,"utterance_id":757,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":758,"start_s":759,"end_s":760,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},108,"147488","No servía de nada poner un montón de cosas en el Congreso Nacional, porque el Congreso Nacional no tenía y no tuvo el coraje de hacer esa revisión del gasto público.",651.52,660.32,{"idx":762,"utterance_id":763,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":764,"start_s":765,"end_s":766,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},109,"147489","A nadie le gusta el desperdicio.",660.54,661.8,{"idx":768,"utterance_id":769,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":770,"start_s":771,"end_s":772,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},110,"147490","Pregúntale a una ama de casa, a un jefe de hogar, a un trabajador, desde el más humilde hasta el más acomodado.",662.06,668.3,{"idx":774,"utterance_id":775,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":776,"start_s":777,"end_s":778,"word_count":290,"indexable":13},111,"147491","A nadie le gusta ver el dinero de su impuesto yendo por el desagüe en forma de corrupción, o de desperdicio, o por la falta de revisión de políticas públicas que muchas veces fueron importantes en el pasado y ya no lo son.",668.72,680.7,{"idx":780,"utterance_id":781,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":782,"start_s":783,"end_s":784,"word_count":89,"indexable":13},112,"147492","pero, aunque sean o no necesariamente importantes, ya no generan los empleos debidos en el presente.",680.76,685.56,{"idx":786,"utterance_id":787,"speaker_name":8,"text":788,"start_s":789,"end_s":790,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},113,"147493","Candidata, continuando, en 2022 usted fue una de las principales críticas, como candidata, al presidente Lula y al presidente Bolsonaro.",686.38,694.84,{"idx":792,"utterance_id":793,"speaker_name":8,"text":794,"start_s":795,"end_s":796,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},114,"147494","En algún momento llegó a decir que el presidente Lula era el gran orquestador del Petrolão.",695.28,702,{"idx":798,"utterance_id":799,"speaker_name":8,"text":800,"start_s":801,"end_s":802,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},115,"147495","Le pregunto, ¿usted mantiene esa crítica todavía hoy?",702.38,705.02,{"idx":804,"utterance_id":805,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":806,"start_s":807,"end_s":808,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},116,"147496","Primero, el Petrolão existió, el Mensalão existió.",705.86,708.7,{"idx":810,"utterance_id":811,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":812,"start_s":813,"end_s":814,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},117,"147497","y los números lo demuestran.",709.82,711.06,{"idx":816,"utterance_id":817,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":818,"start_s":819,"end_s":820,"word_count":469,"indexable":13},118,"147498","Lo que dije entonces, y sigo repitiendo, es lo siguiente: el gran problema de Brasil, con esa cantidad de partidos, es que si nosotros, los ciudadanos, no hacemos la tarea de elegir diputados y senadores comprometidos, que otorguen gobernabilidad a cualquier presidente de la República elegido para, mínimamente, presentar proyectos y avanzar en el futuro de Brasil, vamos a seguir... necesitando que esos partidos entren dentro de los gobiernos.",711.2,741.44,{"idx":822,"utterance_id":823,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":824,"start_s":825,"end_s":826,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},119,"147499","¿Qué ocurrió en el pasado?",741.68,743,{"idx":828,"utterance_id":829,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":830,"start_s":831,"end_s":832,"word_count":81,"indexable":13},120,"147500","La crítica fue porque yo quería dirigir, inclusive, la crítica a mi partido de entonces.",743.32,747.06,{"idx":834,"utterance_id":835,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":836,"start_s":837,"end_s":838,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},121,"147501","Toda mi vida pertenecí a un solo partido, solo he tenido dos partidos en mi vida: fue el MDB y ahora el PSB.",747.44,752.88,{"idx":840,"utterance_id":841,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":842,"start_s":843,"end_s":844,"word_count":552,"indexable":13},122,"147502","Cuando hice esa crítica, dije, incluso claramente, quiénes fueron los... Los malfechos fueron los partidos aliados, que son el MDB, el PP, que tomaron cargos directivos en Petrobras; tanto es así que yo nunca acusé al presidente en sí de ningún tipo de delito de corrupción, eso no estaba en el guion y no lo está hasta hoy, pero estaba comprobado que los partidos aliados entraron en Petrobras, tuvieron cargos directivos dentro de Petrobras y, lamentablemente, la historia cuenta el final de esa película.",753.34,785.7,{"idx":846,"utterance_id":847,"speaker_name":8,"text":848,"start_s":849,"end_s":850,"word_count":89,"indexable":13},123,"147503","Usted asumió la planificación defendiendo la responsabilidad fiscal y la revisión del gasto.",786.1,791.02,{"idx":852,"utterance_id":853,"speaker_name":8,"text":854,"start_s":855,"end_s":856,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},124,"147504","El gobierno, sin embargo, recurrió a excepciones al marco fiscal y aplazó parte del esfuerzo fiscal.",791.6,797.24,{"idx":858,"utterance_id":859,"speaker_name":8,"text":860,"start_s":861,"end_s":862,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},125,"147505","¿Dónde perdió su agenda económica?",797.64,799.48,{"idx":864,"utterance_id":865,"speaker_name":8,"text":866,"start_s":867,"end_s":868,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},126,"147506","¿ante la agenda política del gobierno?",799.88,801.4,{"idx":870,"utterance_id":871,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":872,"start_s":873,"end_s":874,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},127,"147507","Lamentablemente, la agenda económica está perdiendo frente a... Me gustó esa frase, Fernando va a empezar a usarla, porque yo no lograba resumirlo en pocas palabras.",802.3,810.44,{"idx":876,"utterance_id":877,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":878,"start_s":879,"end_s":880,"word_count":252,"indexable":13},128,"147508","Lamentablemente, la agenda económica de Brasil, la que queremos para los próximos cuatro años, está perdiendo frente a la política, frente a la agenda política o agenda electoralista, agenda partidaria de Brasil desde hace mucho tiempo.",811.04,822.66,{"idx":882,"utterance_id":883,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":884,"start_s":885,"end_s":886,"word_count":46,"indexable":13},129,"147509","Perdió en estos cuatro años, perdió en los otros cuatro, perdió desde Fernando Henrique hasta hoy.",823.22,829.5,{"idx":888,"utterance_id":889,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":890,"start_s":891,"end_s":892,"word_count":277,"indexable":13},130,"147510","Porque, lamentablemente, otra vez, tenemos una cantidad absurda de partidos, está disminuyendo, no conseguimos tomar en serio políticas... serias, que cada vez que se habla de recorte, de revisión del gasto, el Congreso Nacional retrocede.",830,843.64,{"idx":894,"utterance_id":895,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":896,"start_s":897,"end_s":898,"word_count":209,"indexable":13},131,"147511","Y estos cuatro años, Fernanda, su pregunta me permite ampliar la respuesta, porque en estos cuatro años hemos visto una deterioración de la clase política en el Congreso Nacional.",843.94,854.74,{"idx":900,"utterance_id":901,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":902,"start_s":903,"end_s":904,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},132,"147512","Explico lo que significa.",854.92,856,{"idx":906,"utterance_id":907,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":908,"start_s":909,"end_s":910,"word_count":235,"indexable":13},133,"147513","Temas parlamentarios, diputados y senadores, no son todos, obviamente, hay mucha gente buena allí, pero diputados y senadores, de los que hablo así, que tienen 'samba de una sola nota'.",856.46,867.26,{"idx":912,"utterance_id":913,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":914,"start_s":915,"end_s":916,"word_count":295,"indexable":13},134,"147514","Es decir, van allí con una única bandera, una bandera que muchas veces ni interesa al pueblo brasileño, muchas veces una bandera de retrocesos civilizatorios, de discusión de temas que ya fueron, que ya están pacificados y no consiguen abordar los problemas reales de la economía brasileña.",867.78,887.54,{"idx":918,"utterance_id":919,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":920,"start_s":921,"end_s":922,"word_count":283,"indexable":13},135,"147515","Cuántos diputados y senadores ni siquiera saben lo que es la responsabilidad fiscal, no saben lo que es un presupuesto brasileño, presentan una serie de pautas bomba sin decir de dónde van a sacar los recursos y aumentan el gasto público.",887.58,902.7,{"idx":924,"utterance_id":925,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":926,"start_s":927,"end_s":928,"word_count":83,"indexable":13},136,"147516","Quiero dejar con toda claridad un mensaje aquí en el TMC.",903.32,907.48,{"idx":930,"utterance_id":931,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":932,"start_s":933,"end_s":934,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},137,"147517","Hoy, las mayores pautas bomba y excepciones al marco fiscal vinieron o intentaron venir del Congreso Nacional.",907.84,916.08,{"idx":936,"utterance_id":937,"speaker_name":8,"text":938,"start_s":939,"end_s":940,"word_count":21,"indexable":13},138,"147518","Uy, perdón.",916.32,917.22,{"idx":942,"utterance_id":943,"speaker_name":8,"text":944,"start_s":945,"end_s":946,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},139,"147519","Por favor, imagina.",917.52,918.26,{"idx":948,"utterance_id":949,"speaker_name":8,"text":950,"start_s":951,"end_s":952,"word_count":89,"indexable":13},140,"147520","Retomando este asunto, ¿el gobierno de Lula gastó más de lo que debía?",918.68,922.3,{"idx":954,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},141,"147521","El gobierno de Lula tuvo que gastar porque tuvo que asumir pautas bomba que vinieron del Congreso Nacional.",923.06,929.72,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},142,"147522","Hay algunos gastos previstos para salir del marco fiscal.",930.36,933.86,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},143,"147523","Por ejemplo, los gastos por catástrofes como las que ocurrieron en el litoral.",934.16,938.44,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":258,"indexable":13},144,"147524","de São Paulo en 2023 y luego, allí, el incendio en Ribeirão Preto, en nuestros cañaverales e incluso por todo Brasil, en el interior de Brasil, Rio Grande do Sul; estos están previstos como los llamados créditos extraordinarios.",939.4,952.8,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},145,"147525","Pero aparte de eso, ¿cuántas veces tuvimos que salir, crear excepciones aprobadas por el Congreso?",953.1,960.04,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":21,"indexable":13},146,"147526","¿Por qué?",960.34,960.62,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},147,"147527","Porque también venían del Congreso los gastos.",960.68,962.7,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},148,"147528","Dos veces hice una lista... junto con el Ministerio de Hacienda, equipo económico, de revisión del gasto.",963.3,969.72,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},149,"147529","El presidente autorizó, dijo, puede enviar al Congreso Nacional.",969.86,972.98,{"idx":1008,"utterance_id":1009,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1010,"start_s":1011,"end_s":1012,"word_count":83,"indexable":13},150,"147530","Lo enviamos dos veces y fue deshidratado por el Congreso Nacional.",973.36,978.34,{"idx":1014,"utterance_id":1015,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1016,"start_s":1017,"end_s":1018,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},151,"147531","No se aprobó la revisión del gasto en el 100% establecido.",978.64,982.04,{"idx":1020,"utterance_id":1021,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1022,"start_s":1023,"end_s":1024,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},152,"147532","¿Quién paga la cuenta?",982.42,983.3,{"idx":1026,"utterance_id":1027,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1028,"start_s":1029,"end_s":1030,"word_count":103,"indexable":13},153,"147533","La cuenta la paga el Estado de São Paulo, la paga Brasil.",983.4,985.7,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":341,"indexable":13},154,"147534","Podríamos haber destinado aún más recursos, eliminado gastos que no son necesarios para destinarlos a obras de infraestructura aquí en el Estado de São Paulo, para enviar... más recursos a los alcaldes que pagan el precio por estar tan lejos de la capital.",986.06,1000.1,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},155,"147535","Es muy importante, por todo esto, volver a hablar de un nuevo pacto federativo.",1000.74,1006.08,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},156,"147536","Ya no puede ser así.",1006.54,1007.44,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1052,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1053,"word_count":265,"indexable":13},157,"147537","Que el 80% de las obligaciones recaigan en los alcaldes, en los servicios públicos, que van desde el alumbrado público, la limpieza, el recapado, el drenaje, pasando por una serie de obligaciones constitucionales, todo sobre las espaldas de los alcaldes y alcaldesas.",1024.04,{"idx":1055,"utterance_id":1056,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1057,"start_s":1058,"end_s":1059,"word_count":19,"indexable":13},158,"147538","Y que la mayor parte de esos recursos quede concentrada.",1024.64,1028.08,{"idx":1061,"utterance_id":1062,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1063,"start_s":1064,"end_s":1065,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},159,"147539","Porque eso lleva al Congreso Nacional a querer tomar una parte de ese presupuesto brasileño y, sin ningún tipo de planificación, querer distribuirlo a su antojo.",1029.36,1039.14,{"idx":1067,"utterance_id":1068,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1069,"start_s":1070,"end_s":1071,"word_count":54,"topic_slug":1072,"topic_label":1073,"target_id":1074,"target_proposition":1075,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":1076,"indexable":13},160,"147540","Entonces, se impone un nuevo pacto federativo.",1039.5,1041.76,"pacto-federativo","Pacto federativo","58ee7988-1706-4cbe-ae5c-9e6db7691e86","implementar un nuevo pacto federativo transfiriendo recursos directamente a los municipios","afirma que un nuevo pacto federativo es necesario y el dinero debe ir directamente.",{"idx":1078,"utterance_id":1079,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1080,"start_s":1081,"end_s":1082,"word_count":83,"topic_slug":1072,"topic_label":1073,"target_id":1074,"target_proposition":1075,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":140,"rationale":1083,"indexable":101},161,"147541","Es necesario que el dinero llegue directamente a manos de los alcaldes.",1042.06,1044.78,"dice que el dinero debe ir directamente a manos de los alcaldes, sin intermediarios.",{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},162,"147542","Y el alcalde será fiscalizado por el concejal, por el fiscal y luego sentenciado por el juez si hace algo mal.",1045.06,1052.6,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},163,"147543","Lo que no puede es pasar por esos intermediarios.",1052.88,1055.76,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},164,"147544","Eso consume tiempo.",1056.06,1057.3,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":252,"indexable":13},165,"147545","El dinero conduce a toda clase de corrupción y la población paulista, brasileña, se queda allí esperando años por una política pública que no llega, por una obra pública esencial para su vida.",1057.74,1072.02,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":8,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":241,"indexable":13},166,"147546","Candidata, usted trabajó en el Congreso, fue senadora, también trabajó en el Ejecutivo porque fue ministra y mencionó hace poco las enmiendas parlamentarias, principalmente las enmiendas PIX, la falta de transparencia.",1072.38,1084.12,{"idx":1115,"utterance_id":1116,"speaker_name":8,"text":1117,"start_s":1118,"end_s":1119,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},167,"147547","¿El ejecutivo está más fragilizado? En su evaluación, ¿es necesario que haya algún equilibrio, está desequilibrado?",1084.76,1091.24,{"idx":1121,"utterance_id":1122,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1123,"start_s":1124,"end_s":1125,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},168,"147548","No tengo duda, Rafael.",1091.68,1092.84,{"idx":1127,"utterance_id":1128,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1129,"start_s":1130,"end_s":1131,"word_count":124,"topic_slug":732,"topic_label":733,"target_id":1132,"target_proposition":1133,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":140,"rationale":1134,"indexable":101},169,"147549","No sólo necesitamos una reforma del poder judicial, también necesitamos una reforma política.",1093.2,1098,"f0505fa1-c078-443d-a101-de31e9f282a9","realizar reforma política para volver a partidos programáticos y responsables","afirma la necesidad de reforma política y partidaria para mejorar el sistema.",{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},170,"147550","La reforma política pasa, son cuestionamientos, muy rápido, por el ejecutivo, o vía la sociedad, fin o no de la reelección con cinco años de mandato directo.",1098.46,1108.04,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":8,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},171,"147551","Unificar o no las elecciones.",1108.64,1109.6,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":8,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},172,"147552","Esa PEC está en trámite, además.",1109.62,1110.86,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":8,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},173,"147553","Eso.",1111,1111.28,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},174,"147554","Vamos a discutirlo con la sociedad, además.",1111.36,1113.18,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},175,"147555","Nadie es dueño de la verdad.",1113.48,1114.52,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},176,"147556","Yo tengo una posición al respecto.",1114.54,1115.84,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":83,"indexable":13},177,"147557","Pero no tomo una posición sin escuchar a la población paulista.",1116.16,1118.7,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},178,"147558","si soy elegida.",1118.74,1119.42,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":19,"indexable":13},179,"147559","Quiero saber lo que la población piensa.",1119.74,1121.38,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":8,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},180,"147560","¿Cuál es su posición?",1122.6,1123.44,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},181,"147561","Hoy, yo ya estuve a favor de la reelección en el pasado, en la época de Fernando Henrique.",1124.76,1129.06,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},182,"147562","Yo creía que cuatro años era muy poco tiempo.",1129.34,1131.56,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":124,"topic_slug":732,"topic_label":733,"target_id":1219,"target_proposition":1220,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":1221,"indexable":101},183,"147563","Hoy creo que cuatro años sigue siendo poco tiempo, pero hoy estoy en contra de la reelección.",1131.9,1136.14,"ed485923-f648-4c5c-a51a-e3f2280d8661","acabar con la reelección e instituir mandato presidencial de cinco años","declara estar en contra de la reelección y preferir cinco años de mandato sin reelección.",{"idx":1223,"utterance_id":1224,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1225,"start_s":1226,"end_s":1227,"word_count":39,"indexable":13},184,"147564","Creo que cinco años de mandato sin... reelección evita todo ese tipo de preguntas que ustedes me están haciendo aquí.",1136.18,1142.12,{"idx":1229,"utterance_id":1230,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1231,"start_s":1232,"end_s":1233,"word_count":302,"topic_slug":1234,"topic_label":1235,"target_id":1236,"target_proposition":1237,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":99,"rationale":1238,"indexable":101},185,"147565","En relación con el ejecutivo, tenemos que reducir las enmiendas parlamentarias, rediscutir el fondo partidario y el fondo electoral, cuando tenemos tanto dinero para poner más medicinas en los centros de salud, acabar con la fila de exámenes de alta complejidad.",1142.54,1156.64,"financiamento-de-campanha","Financiamiento de campaña","c9cd0ae3-30f3-451c-bb91-a1e23449f41a","reducir el fondo partidario y la financiación pública de campañas","propone revisar los fondos partidarios y electorales para destinar recursos a la salud.",{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":1245,"topic_label":1246,"target_id":1247,"target_proposition":1248,"stance":98,"stance_confidence":140,"rationale":1249,"indexable":101},186,"147566","Los hijos, las personas más pobres, muchas veces mueren por enfermedades que hoy ya son... curables, porque se retrasa el tratamiento, por ejemplo, del cáncer, porque quedan en la fila esperando una resonancia magnética, una tomografía, una radioterapia, un servicio de oncología.",1157.1,1173.62,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Salud pública y infraestructura hospitalaria","993ecb86-1672-4181-9064-d8a8897b1d3e","aumentar la financiación para el SUS","afirma que retrasos en exámenes de alta complejidad generan 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