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Y usted sabe, Band, siempre pionera, continúa haciendo una amplia cobertura en todos sus informativos para dar al elector la oportunidad de conocer las ideas y los proyectos de los candidatos; en este caso, hoy en nuestro programa, la presidencia de la República discutiendo el futuro de Brasil.",81.4,162.94,65,{"idx":255,"utterance_id":256,"speaker_name":174,"text":257,"start_s":258,"end_s":259,"word_count":260,"indexable":178},13,"97551","Por eso este es un programa especial de canal abierto, de elecciones, este domingo, y hemos invitado a otros dos aspirantes al Palacio del Brasil.",163.32,172.04,27,{"idx":262,"utterance_id":263,"speaker_name":174,"text":264,"start_s":265,"end_s":266,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},14,"97552","Con nosotros está el exdiputado federal y exministro que se postula por Democracia Cristã, Aldo Rebelo.",172.18,178.48,17,{"idx":242,"utterance_id":269,"speaker_name":174,"text":270,"start_s":271,"end_s":272,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},"97553","Gracias, 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diagnóstico.",237.6,238.9,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":340,"speaker_name":174,"text":341,"start_s":342,"end_s":343,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},"97566","Brasil es un país rico, Brasil no es un país pobre, pero Brasil es un país bloqueado.",239.14,245.84,{"idx":345,"utterance_id":346,"speaker_name":174,"text":347,"start_s":348,"end_s":349,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},29,"97567","Bloqueado institucionalmente.",246.26,248.46,{"idx":351,"utterance_id":352,"speaker_name":174,"text":353,"start_s":354,"end_s":355,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},30,"97568","El problema de Brasil no es de recursos, ni de inversión.",249.6,252.38,{"idx":357,"utterance_id":358,"speaker_name":174,"text":359,"start_s":360,"end_s":361,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":362,"topic_label":363,"target_id":364,"target_proposition":365,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":368,"indexable":178},31,"97569","El problema de Brasil es un bloqueo institucional.",253,256.12,"politica-institucional","Política 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institucionalmente.",{"idx":382,"utterance_id":383,"speaker_name":174,"text":384,"start_s":385,"end_s":386,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},34,"97572","Es una sucesión de bloqueos que paran el país.",267.18,272.22,{"idx":388,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":174,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},35,"97573","Y ese diagnóstico ya trae la solución.",273.18,276.1,{"idx":394,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":174,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":399,"target_proposition":400,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":403,"indexable":404},36,"97574","Se trata de levantar la interdición sobre Brasil a partir del enfrentamiento de la primera corporación que lo interdita, que es el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",276.46,285.7,"cfb6437c-68c2-4b64-bd36-def7f02556fe","reducir el poder del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","a_favor",0.9,"Propone 'enfrentamento' al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) para 'desinterditar' Brasil.",true,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":174,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":382,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":399,"target_proposition":400,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":412,"indexable":178},37,"97575","Tenemos un ferrocarril parado hace seis años por una decisión monocrática de un juez del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que probablemente ni sepa dónde queda ese ferrocarril, que es la Ferrogrão, de Sinop hasta Merititumba.",286.26,297.4,0.65,"Cita el ejemplo de un ferrocarril paralizado por decisión del STF como ilustración.",{"idx":169,"utterance_id":414,"speaker_name":174,"text":415,"start_s":416,"end_s":417,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":362,"topic_label":363,"target_id":364,"target_proposition":365,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":418,"indexable":178},"97576","Entonces hay que eliminar esos bloqueos.",297.88,300.18,"Afirma explícitamente 'você tem que remover esses bloqueios'.",{"idx":420,"utterance_id":421,"speaker_name":174,"text":422,"start_s":423,"end_s":424,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":427,"target_proposition":428,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":430,"indexable":404},39,"97577","Hay que crear una autoridad única de licencias en el país y sustituir esa serie de instituciones que pueden parar el país.",300.56,308.56,"politica-ambiental","Política ambiental","19c5b768-1675-49b7-847b-4475d84a7675","crear una autoridad única de licenciamiento ambiental",0.92,"Propone textualmente 'criar uma autoridade única de licenciamento'.",{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":174,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},40,"97578","Hay que quitarle a IBAMA",308.62,310,{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":174,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":443,"target_proposition":444,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":445,"indexable":404},41,"97579","el poder de demarcar la unidad de conservación.",310.98,313.54,"bccd6479-f244-4508-b23a-60f179bc5f01","quitar al IBAMA el poder de demarcar unidades de conservación","Declara 'você tem que tirar do Ibama o poder de demarcar'.",{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":174,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":452,"topic_label":453,"target_id":454,"target_proposition":455,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":456,"indexable":404},42,"97580","Hay que quitarle a FUNAI el poder de demarcar la tierra indígena.",313.6,316.3,"politica-indigena","Política Indígena","37ab4bd4-9fc6-4684-a93e-ae87f9ca389e","retirar a FUNAI el poder de demarcar tierras indígenas","Propone explícitamente 'tirar da FUNAI o poder de demarcar a terra indígena'.",{"idx":295,"utterance_id":458,"speaker_name":174,"text":459,"start_s":460,"end_s":461,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":452,"topic_label":453,"target_id":454,"target_proposition":455,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":462,"indexable":178},"97581","Pueden seguir emitiendo sus dictámenes.",316.38,319.98,"Autoriza 'pareceres' da FUNAI, pero diferencia decisión y parecer.",{"idx":198,"utterance_id":464,"speaker_name":174,"text":465,"start_s":466,"end_s":467,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":427,"target_proposition":428,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":469,"indexable":404},"97582","Ahora, otra autoridad tendrá que tomar esa decisión porque esas corporaciones no han demostrado equilibrio para adoptar esas posiciones.",320.1,329.48,0.88,"Defiende transferir la decisión a 'outra autoridade' en vez de las corporaciones.",{"idx":471,"utterance_id":472,"speaker_name":174,"text":473,"start_s":474,"end_s":475,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},45,"97583","Entonces, en resumen, Brasil es rico.",329.88,332.58,{"idx":477,"utterance_id":478,"speaker_name":174,"text":479,"start_s":480,"end_s":481,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},46,"97584","que tiene la mayor frontera mineral del mundo, que tiene la mayor frontera energética del mundo, que tiene la mayor frontera de biodiversidad del mundo, que tiene la mayor frontera de agropecuaria y de agroindustria del mundo, por hablar de cuatro fronteras.",333.42,345.86,{"idx":483,"utterance_id":484,"speaker_name":174,"text":485,"start_s":486,"end_s":487,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},47,"97585","Brasil es un país mirado con ambición, como las tierras raras, por ejemplo, que interesan al estadounidense, al chino, a Alemania, a todo el mundo.",346.72,353.68,{"idx":489,"utterance_id":490,"speaker_name":174,"text":491,"start_s":492,"end_s":493,"word_count":303,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":494,"target_proposition":495,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":496,"rationale":497,"indexable":404},48,"97586","Y Brasil, si se desinterdita, tendrá, sí, una gran posibilidad de enfrentar el problema de las tasas de interés, de crear un fondo",354.58,362.16,"7c040440-09f0-4671-8aee-c0a97d44e384","crear un fondo soberano de tierras raras y minerales estratégicos",0.86,"Propone 'criar um fundo soberano' para tierras raras explícitamente.",{"idx":499,"utterance_id":500,"speaker_name":174,"text":501,"start_s":502,"end_s":503,"word_count":351,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":504,"target_proposition":505,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":507,"indexable":404},49,"97587","soberano de tierras raras y minerales estratégicos, de crear títulos respaldados en tierras raras y minerales estratégicos, de comenzar a revertir la curva de la relación deuda-PIB y de las propias tasas de interés.",362.74,376.22,"8c10ce6f-c3ac-4867-a3e5-69c95dc628a1","emitir títulos respaldados en tierras raras y minerales estratégicos",0.85,"Propone 'criar títulos lastreados em terras raras e minérios'.",{"idx":509,"utterance_id":510,"speaker_name":174,"text":511,"start_s":512,"end_s":513,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":362,"topic_label":363,"target_id":364,"target_proposition":365,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":514,"indexable":404},50,"97588","Entonces Brasil tiene hacia dónde ir; basta con desinterditar a Brasil.",376.62,379.94,"Resume la tesis 'basta desinterditar o Brasil', defendiendo la eliminación de obstáculos.",{"idx":516,"utterance_id":517,"speaker_name":174,"text":518,"start_s":519,"end_s":520,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},51,"97589","Antes",379.98,380.16,{"idx":522,"utterance_id":523,"speaker_name":174,"text":524,"start_s":525,"end_s":526,"word_count":522,"indexable":178},52,"97590","de Mitri y de Thaís, Ana, déjeme también hacerle una pregunta: es su primera vez aquí, Aldo ya ha estado en otros programas con nosotros, quería que usted dijera quién es Renan Santos, se presentara también al público que aún no lo conoce.",380.22,391.84,{"idx":528,"utterance_id":529,"speaker_name":174,"text":530,"start_s":531,"end_s":532,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},53,"97591","Pero también, de cierta forma, ¿qué dos o tres propuestas prioritarias pondría sobre la mesa?",392.5,398.5,{"idx":534,"utterance_id":535,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":536,"start_s":537,"end_s":538,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},54,"97592","Bueno, de hecho, es mi primera vez aquí.",399.22,401.6,{"idx":540,"utterance_id":541,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":542,"start_s":543,"end_s":544,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},55,"97593","Quisiera agradecer a Band, agradecer a todo el equipo presente, agradecer a Aldo.",401.8,404.64,{"idx":546,"utterance_id":547,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":548,"start_s":549,"end_s":550,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},56,"97594","Bueno, mi nombre es Hernan Santos, tengo 42 años, nací en São Paulo, vengo de una familia de clase media, soy uno de los fundadores del Movimento Brasil Livre, participé en las manifestaciones que desembocaron en la caída de Dilma Rousseff.",405.22,414.74,{"idx":552,"utterance_id":553,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":554,"start_s":555,"end_s":556,"word_count":394,"indexable":178},57,"97595","Luché, en aquella época, por el apoyo a la Operación Lava Jato, que luego se demostró, digamos, como una operación útil en la lucha contra la corrupción, pero que fue desmontada posteriormente por el señor Jair Bolsonaro, su familia y el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",415.8,428.06,{"idx":558,"utterance_id":559,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":560,"start_s":561,"end_s":562,"word_count":432,"indexable":178},58,"97596","Basado en la lucha que tuvimos no solo contra la corrupción, sino en la lucha por un Brasil más libre, un Brasil en el que... trabajar y producir, en el que caminar por la calle libre del crimen organizado debería ser una premisa.",429.42,440.04,{"idx":564,"utterance_id":565,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":566,"start_s":567,"end_s":568,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},59,"97597","Entendí que no deberíamos ser solo un movimiento, sino también un partido político.",441.06,444.42,{"idx":570,"utterance_id":571,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":572,"start_s":573,"end_s":574,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},60,"97598","Con base en eso, fundamos el Partido Missão, el último y más joven partido, fundado ahora a finales del año pasado.",444.48,448.88,{"idx":576,"utterance_id":577,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":578,"start_s":579,"end_s":580,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},61,"97599","¿Y qué defendemos?",449.62,450.4,{"idx":582,"utterance_id":583,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":584,"start_s":585,"end_s":586,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},62,"97600","Comenzando incluso con un diagnóstico, creo que es un problema de falta de imaginación en Brasil.",450.86,454.54,{"idx":588,"utterance_id":589,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":590,"start_s":591,"end_s":592,"word_count":357,"indexable":178},63,"97601","El brasileño ha perdido tanta esperanza en sí mismo, que ni siquiera logramos imaginarnos como lo que deberíamos ser, que es una de las cinco mayores naciones del mundo.",455,462.46,{"idx":594,"utterance_id":595,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":596,"start_s":597,"end_s":598,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},64,"97602","Brasil nació para ser una de las cinco mayores naciones del mundo.",462.64,464.3,{"idx":253,"utterance_id":600,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":601,"start_s":602,"end_s":603,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},"97603","Y nuestro objetivo, incluso por eso el nombre de nuestro partido es Missão, es en 30 años poner a Brasil en la mesa con China, Rusia, Estados Unidos e India, determinando lo que es importante en el mundo.",464.76,472.86,{"idx":605,"utterance_id":606,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":607,"start_s":608,"end_s":609,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},66,"97604","Tenemos territorio, tenemos población, tenemos recursos, y lo que nos falta en la práctica es imaginación.",472.98,478.62,{"idx":611,"utterance_id":612,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":613,"start_s":614,"end_s":615,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},67,"97605","Y entonces las propuestas.",478.96,479.62,{"idx":617,"utterance_id":618,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":619,"start_s":620,"end_s":621,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":622,"target_proposition":623,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":625,"indexable":404},68,"97606","dentro de esa imaginación, devolver el territorio a los brasileños, retirar al crimen organizado de las áreas que hoy ocupa.",479.66,484.7,"cb2578d3-45fb-438b-b707-1374991f9297","ocupar y garantizar el dominio territorial frente al crimen organizado",0.95,"Propone explícitamente 'retirar o crime organizado' del territorio.",{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":382,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":632,"target_proposition":633,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":634,"indexable":404},69,"97607","Hacer una reforma fiscal acompañada de una reforma de competitividad para permitir que empresas se establezcan en Brasil y que el brasileño tenga la posibilidad de ganar dinero y generar empleos de manera libre.",485.18,494.78,"f4cfede6-0aab-4b65-87bb-b066927b9ff0","realizar reformas fiscales impopulares para generar recursos e invertir en infraestructura","Defiende 'reforma fiscal acompanhada de reforma de competitividade' directamente.",{"idx":636,"utterance_id":637,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":638,"start_s":639,"end_s":640,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":641,"target_proposition":642,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":643,"indexable":404},70,"97608","Hacer una reforma que yo llamo ley de responsabilidad gerencial que convierta a los alcaldes, de hecho, en gestores de políticas públicas que funcionen y no en meros administradores de enmiendas, como sucede en todo Brasil y mantiene enteras regiones del país.",495.56,507.24,"87d8ac97-bc41-4aa8-bd10-273f59ef6b34","crear la ley de responsabilidad gerencial","Propone 'lei de responsabilidade gerencial' para cambiar la gestión municipal.",{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},71,"97609","Visité Maranhão para ver eso.",507.32,509,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},72,"97610","Como un lugar que trata al pueblo como animal, administra las enmiendas solo para hacer desvíos, manteniendo un IDH muy bajo.",509.18,516.08,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},73,"97611","Entonces, esos desafíos, esos tres que enumeré, son los retos que nuestro mandato, en caso de ocurrir, cambiará el destino de Brasil.",516.12,522.62,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":174,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},74,"97612","Podemos plantear ahí una cuestión específica, concreta y muy grave, que es la cuestión fiscal.",523.04,530.4,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":174,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},75,"97613","La pregunta que hago a ambos es exactamente esa: ¿qué pasos pueden darse con vistas a una disciplina fiscal que permita que las tasas de interés empiecen a bajar?",531.1,540.86,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":174,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},76,"97614","Porque Brasil vive ese drama, las empresas lo viven, los consumidores están endeudados.",541.24,546.26,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":174,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},77,"97615","¿Por qué?",546.68,546.98,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":174,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},78,"97616","Está la tasa de interés y detrás de la tasa de interés está la cuestión fiscal.",547.54,549.9,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":174,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},79,"97617","¿Qué posiciones objetivas tienen ustedes para combatir esto de manera objetiva?",550.48,556.36,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},80,"97618","¿Quiere que empiece yo?",557.16,557.98,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":712,"indexable":404},81,"97619","Creo que tenemos que empezar con una reforma fiscal en el área del gasto.",558.02,561.56,"0e4ffbf1-acc6-4b53-8d69-214032e2d5be","promover recortes significativos del gasto público y convertir los ahorros en inversión productiva","Dice explícitamente 'temos que começar com uma reforma fiscal na área da despesa'.",{"idx":714,"utterance_id":715,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":716,"start_s":717,"end_s":718,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":720,"indexable":404},82,"97620","La experiencia internacional muestra que el control del gasto a largo plazo crea regímenes fiscales más funcionales y que consiguen contener la curva de la deuda.",562.64,570.4,0.75,"Cita la experiencia internacional como evidencia, explicando la propuesta.",{"idx":722,"utterance_id":723,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":724,"start_s":725,"end_s":726,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":727,"indexable":404},83,"97621","Nuestro diputado federal, Ken Kataguiri, produjo una PEC junto con otros diputados que establece un control precisamente de esos gastos y que es muy enfática y muy rígida.",570.88,579.46,"Apoya directamente la PEC de control del gasto, llamándola 'enfática e rígida'.",{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":734,"rationale":735,"indexable":404},84,"97622","Esta reforma no solo aborda los privilegios del poder judicial, sino que aborda cuestiones como, por ejemplo, las indexaciones que implican BPC y jubilaciones, y las exenciones fiscales de lobbies muy poderosos.",579.96,590.76,0.82,"Enumera privilegios e indexaciones que la reforma pretende abordar.",{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":742,"indexable":178},85,"97623","Esas renuncias fiscales tienen un impacto fiscal gigantesco.",590.82,593.1,"Afirma el impacto fiscal de las renuncias fiscales como hecho descriptivo.",{"idx":744,"utterance_id":745,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":746,"start_s":747,"end_s":748,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":750,"indexable":404},86,"97624","Aborda cuestiones que implican la reforma de la Seguridad Social y ciertos privilegios que existen dentro del régimen previsional brasileño.",593.54,599.1,0.8,"Dice que la reforma 'endereça' la Previdência y los privilegios, defendiéndola.",{"idx":752,"utterance_id":753,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":754,"start_s":755,"end_s":756,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":757,"indexable":178},87,"97625","Y que en caso de aprobarse, existe la expectativa de que en 10 años usted tenga una economía en torno a los 3,3 billones.",599.82,604.94,"Presenta una estimación de ahorro en caso de que la reforma sea aprobada.",{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},88,"97626","Por supuesto que, como toda reforma, tiene algún tipo de mitigación.",605.5,608.76,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":737,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":710,"target_proposition":711,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":770,"indexable":404},89,"97627","Pero si hablamos de 3,3 billones, hablamos de un control de esa curva galopante de la deuda que tenemos, y entonces empezamos a hablar de reducción de la tasa Selic, mayor espacio discrecional para inversión por parte de la presidencia de la república, que hoy básicamente no tiene margen para invertir, para gastar, y entonces sí empezamos a hablar de tasas de interés que permitan que el emprendedor pueda, por un lado, invertir más en la producción y que el ciudadano, por otro, consuma más.",609.48,631.6,"Vincula la reforma a la reducción de la tasa Selic y al estímulo a la inversión.",{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},90,"97628","Y entonces comenzamos a abordar otros problemas importantes de Brasil.",631.96,634.36,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":174,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},91,"97629","Aldo.",634.7,634.94,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":174,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},92,"97630","El país vive lo que los economistas llaman vuelo de gallina, que es un vuelo corto y bajo.",635.64,642.36,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":174,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},93,"97631","El gobierno actual tiene dos políticas económicas.",642.74,645.36,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":174,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},94,"97632","Una es aumentar el gasto y la otra es aumentar los impuestos para pagar el gasto en año electoral.",645.52,651.2,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":174,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},95,"97633","El gobierno no tiene una política de crecimiento.",651.7,653.62,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":174,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},96,"97634","El país tiene un crecimiento miserable, porque no hay forma de que un país crezca.",653.76,659.26,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":174,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},97,"97635","Con una tasa de interés del 15%, que es la tasa oficial, la tasa real en el banco es más del 20%.",660.24,667.46,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":174,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},98,"97636","Y con una relación de inversión respecto al PIB del 16%.",668.24,674.26,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":174,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},99,"97637","Mire a China: es 3% de interés y 40% de tasa de inversión.",674.42,678.84,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":174,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":837,"target_proposition":838,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":839,"indexable":404},100,"97638","Creo que Brasil puede reducir gastos y es necesario reducirlos.",679.8,683.7,"ebaf279f-2ae3-4cc9-9d95-81d3d07b6c09","reducir el gasto público","Declara 'é preciso reduzir' el gasto público explícitamente.",{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":174,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},101,"97639","No es fácil, porque ahora el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) acaba de decir que el techo... del Poder Judicial es de 76 o 78 mil reales, con la anticipación de quinquenio y otros beneficios para el Poder Judicial.",684.7,699.78,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":174,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":852,"target_proposition":853,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":854,"indexable":404},102,"97640","Entonces, creo, a diferencia de lo que piensa Renan, que el primer paso es hacer el ajuste por los ingresos.",700.58,708,"ebaea3ea-b774-45e1-b0d8-0dceb8ed215d","aumentar los ingresos públicos sin elevar impuestos y reducir gastos","Defiende 'o primeiro passo é fazer o ajuste pela receita' explícitamente.",{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":174,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":861,"target_proposition":862,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":863,"indexable":404},103,"97641","Que el país empiece a crecer, eliminar los obstáculos al crecimiento del país, eliminar los obstáculos creados por el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",708.48,716.56,"ff5df3fd-efb3-495c-9129-295f628981ae","reducir la inseguridad jurídica y el costo del capital para emprendedores","Afirma que eliminar obstáculos (licenciamento) permitirá un choque de inversión.",{"idx":865,"utterance_id":866,"speaker_name":174,"text":867,"start_s":868,"end_s":869,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},104,"97642","creados por el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal), creados por el IBAMA, creados por la FUNAI, creados por el juez de primera instancia.",717.02,722.82,{"idx":871,"utterance_id":872,"speaker_name":174,"text":873,"start_s":874,"end_s":875,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},105,"97643","Se ve en un país que la Vale do Rio Doce tiene 70.000 millones de reales autorizados para inversión, esperando licenciamiento.",723.18,729.74,{"idx":877,"utterance_id":878,"speaker_name":174,"text":879,"start_s":880,"end_s":881,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},106,"97644","Otras empresas privadas tienen 300.000 millones de reales esperando licenciamiento.",730.16,733.92,{"idx":883,"utterance_id":884,"speaker_name":174,"text":885,"start_s":886,"end_s":887,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},107,"97645","Está claro que si se eliminan esos obstáculos, habrá un choque de inversión privada que puede hacer que el país vuelva a crecer.",734.46,741.26,{"idx":889,"utterance_id":890,"speaker_name":174,"text":891,"start_s":892,"end_s":893,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},108,"97646","Y entonces el Estado podrá disponer de recursos.",741.74,743.4,{"idx":895,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":174,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":357,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":837,"target_proposition":838,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":900,"indexable":404},109,"97647","Entonces tienes que combinar la reducción del gasto, donde sea posible y necesario, con una política de ajuste fiscal por los ingresos, que es lo que Brasil abandonó, prácticamente.",743.48,756,"Propone combinar la reducción de gastos con otras medidas de ajuste.",{"idx":902,"utterance_id":903,"speaker_name":174,"text":904,"start_s":905,"end_s":906,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},110,"97648","Quería hacer una pregunta política a los dos precandidatos que están aquí, sobre estrategia de crecimiento.",756.4,762.06,{"idx":908,"utterance_id":909,"speaker_name":174,"text":910,"start_s":911,"end_s":912,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},111,"97649","Hoy, según las encuestas, tenemos dos candidatos que dominan la intención de voto.",762.12,766.94,{"idx":914,"utterance_id":915,"speaker_name":174,"text":916,"start_s":917,"end_s":918,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},112,"97650","Lula y Flávio Bolsonaro.",767.4,769.04,{"idx":920,"utterance_id":921,"speaker_name":174,"text":922,"start_s":923,"end_s":924,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},113,"97651","Entonces, quería escuchar de ustedes cuál es la estrategia de crecimiento que tienen, y a ti te pido que seas más específica.",769.42,774.76,{"idx":926,"utterance_id":927,"speaker_name":174,"text":928,"start_s":929,"end_s":930,"word_count":357,"indexable":178},114,"97652","Preguntar a Renan cómo espera robar votos más a la derecha de Flávio Bolsonaro, ya que me parece que para el elector del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) es un poco más difícil entrar.",775.16,785.2,{"idx":932,"utterance_id":933,"speaker_name":174,"text":934,"start_s":935,"end_s":936,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},115,"97653","Y para el exministro Aldo Rebelo, ¿pedirle al señor que empiece?",785.8,788.04,{"idx":938,"utterance_id":939,"speaker_name":174,"text":940,"start_s":941,"end_s":942,"word_count":447,"indexable":178},116,"97654","Respondiendo, usted tuvo su carrera política ligada a la izquierda y al PC do B. ¿En qué momento usted se desencantó con la izquierda y cómo hoy se va a posicionar para intentar mejorar su intención de voto?",788.1,802.34,{"idx":944,"utterance_id":945,"speaker_name":174,"text":946,"start_s":947,"end_s":948,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},117,"97655","¿Cree usted que puede conquistar a personas que, como usted, se desencantaron de la izquierda?",802.38,807.46,{"idx":950,"utterance_id":951,"speaker_name":174,"text":952,"start_s":953,"end_s":954,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},118,"97656","¿Cree usted que tiene entrada en la derecha?",807.74,809.36,{"idx":956,"utterance_id":957,"speaker_name":174,"text":958,"start_s":959,"end_s":960,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},119,"97657","Me gustaría tener esa lectura.",809.4,810.5,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":963,"speaker_name":174,"text":964,"start_s":965,"end_s":966,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},120,"97658","Creo, Thais, que dividir artificialmente al país entre izquierda y derecha no explica Brasil.",811.68,819.1,{"idx":968,"utterance_id":969,"speaker_name":174,"text":970,"start_s":971,"end_s":972,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},121,"97659","Hay que tener una agenda para el país.",819.4,821.92,{"idx":974,"utterance_id":975,"speaker_name":174,"text":976,"start_s":977,"end_s":978,"word_count":351,"indexable":178},122,"97660","Y la agenda para el país no es una agenda de izquierda o de derecha, es una agenda que lleve al país al desarrollo, al crecimiento, a la eliminación de esos obstáculos.",822.08,831.56,{"idx":980,"utterance_id":981,"speaker_name":174,"text":982,"start_s":983,"end_s":984,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},123,"97661","Además, el país está, de cierta forma, exhausto.",832.08,836.18,{"idx":986,"utterance_id":987,"speaker_name":174,"text":988,"start_s":989,"end_s":990,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},124,"97662","por la disputa de carácter ideológico, que no explica nada al país, solo beneficia a los grupos que creen que pueden sobrevivir de ese tipo de confrontación.",836.74,847.52,{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":174,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},125,"97663","Entonces, lo que tengo es una agenda para Brasil.",847.68,850,{"idx":998,"utterance_id":999,"speaker_name":174,"text":1000,"start_s":1001,"end_s":1002,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},126,"97664","Esa agenda interesa al inversor, al empresario, interesa a la clase media, interesa al trabajador, porque el desarrollo interesa a todo el mundo.",850.44,860.92,{"idx":1004,"utterance_id":1005,"speaker_name":174,"text":1006,"start_s":1007,"end_s":1008,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},127,"97665","Brasil, en verdad... tiene problemas que unen al país.",861.6,866.46,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":1011,"speaker_name":174,"text":1012,"start_s":1013,"end_s":1014,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},128,"97666","La seguridad pública afecta a todo el mundo, el precio ahora de la gasolina por causa de la guerra afecta a todo el mundo, en el supermercado afecta a todo el mundo.",866.54,875.26,{"idx":1016,"utterance_id":1017,"speaker_name":174,"text":1018,"start_s":1019,"end_s":1020,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},129,"97667","¿Por qué la solución tampoco puede afectar y alcanzar a todo el mundo?",875.88,879.28,{"idx":1022,"utterance_id":1023,"speaker_name":174,"text":1024,"start_s":1025,"end_s":1026,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},130,"97668","Creo que la solución comienza por abrir el país a la inversión, para la reanudación del crecimiento.",879.76,887.2,{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":174,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},131,"97669","Y crear en el país un soplo de esperanza, porque la esperanza es una fuerza movilizadora y disciplinadora que Brasil está perdiendo.",887.84,897.84,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":174,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},132,"97670","Entonces no voy a dirigir mi campaña a resolver ese dilema de ser de izquierda o de derecha.",898.18,905.68,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":174,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},133,"97671","Voy a dirigir mi campaña por un camino que pueda unir a Brasil en torno a las soluciones que recuperen la esperanza.",905.88,915.4,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":174,"text":1048,"start_s":1049,"end_s":1050,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},134,"97672","y el crecimiento de nuestro país.",915.78,917.28,{"idx":1052,"utterance_id":1053,"speaker_name":174,"text":1054,"start_s":1055,"end_s":1056,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},135,"97673","¿Y usted, Hernando?",918.02,919.46,{"idx":1058,"utterance_id":1059,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1060,"start_s":1061,"end_s":1062,"word_count":351,"indexable":178},136,"97674","Voy, empezando a responder a tu pregunta, no voy a partir —y no estamos haciendo eso— de la premisa de que necesito quedarme atado a buscar electores de la familia Bolsonaro.",919.8,928.74,{"idx":1064,"utterance_id":1065,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1066,"start_s":1067,"end_s":1068,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},137,"97675","Esa estrategia la dejo para Zema, la dejo para Caiado, que están haciendo demostraciones públicas de que les gusta mucho Bolsonaro.",929.18,934.04,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},"97676","Caiado dijo, incluso, que lo primero que va a hacer con el presidente es beneficiar a los Bolsonaro.",934.44,938.56,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},139,"97677","Y, básicamente, parte de la campaña de ellos...",938.92,940.74,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":174,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},140,"97678","¿Dices amnistía?",940.78,941.62,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},141,"97679","Amnistía, no.",941.96,942.46,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":1098,"topic_label":1099,"target_id":1100,"target_proposition":1101,"stance":1102,"stance_confidence":1103,"rationale":1104,"indexable":178},142,"97680","Lo primero que voy a hacer con el presidente es la amnistía.",942.5,943.8,"politica-de-justica","Política de Justicia","47bae203-200c-4c17-b0cc-2dc01182a898","conceder una amplia amnistía a los participantes de los actos del 8 de enero","ambiguo",0.3,"Menciona 'anistia' pero el contexto posterior critica 'crime é crime', generando ambigüedad.",{"idx":1106,"utterance_id":1107,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1108,"start_s":1109,"end_s":1110,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},143,"97681","¿Lo harías, si fueras elegido?",943.84,944.62,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},"97682","Dosimetría, no amnistía.",944.72,945.92,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},145,"97683","2003, que es lo que nosotros votamos favorablemente en el Congreso, pero no amnistía.",945.94,950.78,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},146,"97684","Esas personas, inclusive Bolsonaro, cometieron crímenes.",951.3,953.26,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},147,"97685","Podemos discutir los vicios formales implicados ahí, pero hubo comisión de delito.",953.52,956.92,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},148,"97686","Y siempre les digo a los bolsonaristas: si fuera el MST el que invadiera los edificios públicos, ¿qué dirían ellos?",956.98,961.48,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},149,"97687","¿Pedirían amnistía para esas personas?",961.64,963,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},150,"97688","Delito es delito, no importa si estás de rojo o si estás de amarillo.",963.38,965.56,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},151,"97689","Dicho eso, estoy recorriendo Brasil y estoy hablando de los problemas concretos de la gente y trayendo soluciones concretas justamente al corazón del electorado de cada uno.",966.58,974.4,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":260,"indexable":178},152,"97690","Fui tan bien recibido en Maranhão, que supuestamente es un bastión electoral del lulismo, como lo fui en Santa Catarina ahora, que es bastión electoral del bolsonarismo.",974.98,983.84,{"idx":1165,"utterance_id":1166,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1167,"start_s":1168,"end_s":1169,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},153,"97691","Y me ocupé de problemas locales y crecí en ambos lugares.",984.22,986.66,{"idx":1171,"utterance_id":1172,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1173,"start_s":1174,"end_s":1175,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},154,"97692","Fui, según Google Trends, la persona más buscada en Maranhão la semana antepasada.",987.06,991.64,{"idx":1177,"utterance_id":1178,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1179,"start_s":1180,"end_s":1181,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},155,"97693","Entonces, hay una respuesta que podemos dar.",992.16,995.74,{"idx":1183,"utterance_id":1184,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1185,"start_s":1186,"end_s":1187,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},156,"97694","Hay un cansancio con la polarización y las encuestas nos muestran un reconocimiento (recall).",996.14,999.2,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1189,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1190,"start_s":1191,"end_s":1192,"word_count":394,"indexable":178},"97695","Es decir, el top of mind, el nombre que viene a la cabeza de la gente cuando imaginan elecciones, sigue siendo el apellido Bolsonaro, ahora con Flávio, y el nombre Lula, con el actual presidente de la república.",999.76,1009.98,{"idx":1194,"utterance_id":1195,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1196,"start_s":1197,"end_s":1198,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},158,"97696","Pero los más jóvenes que ya están alheios a eso están buscando otras alternativas.",1010.42,1014.16,{"idx":1200,"utterance_id":1201,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1202,"start_s":1203,"end_s":1204,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},159,"97697","Cuando los pones entre los más jóvenes, yo estoy con más del 20%, según la encuesta Atlas, y cuando separamos a los hombres jóvenes, yo estoy con más del 30%.",1015.32,1022.32,{"idx":1206,"utterance_id":1207,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1208,"start_s":1209,"end_s":1210,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},160,"97698","El partido que fundé, el partido Missão, tiene 5,8%.",1022.54,1025,{"idx":1212,"utterance_id":1213,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1214,"start_s":1215,"end_s":1216,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},161,"97699","de preferencia entre los brasileños, y cuando lo miro entre los más jóvenes, alcanza casi el 30%.",1027.62,1031.08,{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},162,"97700","¿Cuál es el mensaje de eso?",1031.52,1032.6,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":447,"indexable":178},163,"97701","Las personas que no están, digamos, atrapadas en un debate público que desde hace seis años solo habla de Bolsonaro, Lula y STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), quieren soluciones para la seguridad pública, la ausencia de empleo, la falta de expectativas, la completa y total carencia de infraestructura urbana.",1032.94,1046.96,{"idx":1230,"utterance_id":1231,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1232,"start_s":1233,"end_s":1234,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},164,"97702","Y esas personas no van a decir, ah, ¿cuál es el problema de eso?",1047.58,1049.72,{"idx":1236,"utterance_id":1237,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1238,"start_s":1239,"end_s":1240,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},165,"97703","Ah, el problema es Lula.",1049.96,1051.04,{"idx":1242,"utterance_id":1243,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1244,"start_s":1245,"end_s":1246,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},166,"97704","No, el problema es Bolsonaro.",1051.46,1052.48,{"idx":1248,"utterance_id":1249,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1250,"start_s":1251,"end_s":1252,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},167,"97705","Entonces, cuando estuve en Maranhão, transitando por carreteras llenas de baches y viendo a la gente compartir comida con buitres, como vi en Pinheiro, tierra de Sarney, la gente no estaba ahí, ¿sabes?",1052.92,1061.34,{"idx":1254,"utterance_id":1255,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1256,"start_s":1257,"end_s":1258,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},168,"97706","Ah, ¿esto es culpa de Lula, de Bolsonaro?",1061.42,1062.56,{"idx":1260,"utterance_id":1261,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1262,"start_s":1263,"end_s":1264,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},169,"97707","La gente, ¿cómo vas a resolver el buitre que está al lado de mi casa?",1062.6,1065.24,{"idx":1266,"utterance_id":1267,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1268,"start_s":1269,"end_s":1270,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},170,"97708","Y al tratar esos temas, ahí sí entra la cuestión de la comunicación; de manera inteligente, crecemos.",1065.74,1069.9,{"idx":1272,"utterance_id":1273,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1274,"start_s":1275,"end_s":1276,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},171,"97709","Entonces, mi objetivo es hacer eso.",1070.34,1071.62,{"idx":1278,"utterance_id":1279,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1280,"start_s":1281,"end_s":1282,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},172,"97710","Voy a entrar en el corazón del bolsonarista y en el corazón del lulista hablando de problemas concretos para ellos.",1071.7,1076.22,{"idx":1284,"utterance_id":1285,"speaker_name":174,"text":1286,"start_s":1287,"end_s":1288,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},173,"97711","Diver, adelante, Mito.",1077.74,1078.44,{"idx":1290,"utterance_id":1291,"speaker_name":174,"text":1292,"start_s":1293,"end_s":1294,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},174,"97712","Puedes ir, puedes ir.",1078.5,1079.38,{"idx":1296,"utterance_id":1297,"speaker_name":174,"text":1298,"start_s":1299,"end_s":1300,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},175,"97713","Quería ya plantear la cuestión de la seguridad, que es fundamental en esta campaña electoral.",1079.56,1083.96,{"idx":1302,"utterance_id":1303,"speaker_name":174,"text":1304,"start_s":1305,"end_s":1306,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},176,"97714","Y las encuestas muestran que este tema viene creciendo, y cuando hablo de las encuestas de las últimas elecciones, de las penúltimas y tal, este tema ha ido en aumento.",1084.98,1094.62,{"idx":1308,"utterance_id":1309,"speaker_name":174,"text":1310,"start_s":1311,"end_s":1312,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},177,"97715","Y ahora se ha convertido en prioridad; a veces está junto con el precio de los alimentos.",1095.02,1099.46,{"idx":1314,"utterance_id":1315,"speaker_name":174,"text":1316,"start_s":1317,"end_s":1318,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},178,"97716","Entonces es un tema que puede ser decisivo en esta campaña electoral.",1099.86,1103.6,{"idx":1320,"utterance_id":1321,"speaker_name":174,"text":1322,"start_s":1323,"end_s":1324,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},179,"97717","Y frases de efecto,",1103.68,1105.44,{"idx":1326,"utterance_id":1327,"speaker_name":174,"text":1328,"start_s":1329,"end_s":1330,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},180,"97718","etc.,",1105.5,1105.64,{"idx":1332,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":174,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},181,"97719","como en las campañas anteriores, ya no van a resolver.",1106.3,1109.48,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":174,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},182,"97720","El telespectador, el elector, querrá soluciones concretas.",1109.64,1114.12,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":174,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":351,"indexable":178},183,"97721","Quería saber, primero preguntando a Renan lo siguiente: es necesario que haya una lucha organizada e integrada contra el crimen organizado, que está más que integrado, organizado, etc.",1114.54,1126.82,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1350,"speaker_name":174,"text":1351,"start_s":1352,"end_s":1353,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},"97722","Las fuerzas legales no lo están, están fragmentadas.",1128.26,1130.88,{"idx":1355,"utterance_id":1356,"speaker_name":174,"text":1357,"start_s":1358,"end_s":1359,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},185,"97723","Hay un proyecto que no unió al país, no unió a las lideranzas políticas y mucho menos a los gobiernos.",1131.22,1139.3,{"idx":1361,"utterance_id":1362,"speaker_name":174,"text":1363,"start_s":1364,"end_s":1365,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},186,"97724","Y sin esa integración, esa lucha no tendrá resultados positivos.",1139.92,1145.04,{"idx":1367,"utterance_id":1368,"speaker_name":174,"text":1369,"start_s":1370,"end_s":1371,"word_count":351,"indexable":178},187,"97725","Y quería preguntar primero a Renan cuál es el plan que tiene para juntar esas fuerzas para combatir de verdad al crimen organizado, que está ganando la guerra.",1145.6,1153.58,{"idx":1373,"utterance_id":1374,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1375,"start_s":1376,"end_s":1377,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1378,"target_proposition":1379,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1380,"indexable":178},188,"97726","Muy bien observado, ellos están ganando la guerra y están ganando por W.O., porque el otro lado no responde.",1154.58,1160,"554b78d9-4efe-4a8b-90b3-63d8efd356b8","reducir homicidios y combatir el crimen organizado","Relata que los criminales 'estão ganhando a guerra' sin proponer acción.",{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1378,"target_proposition":1379,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1387,"indexable":178},189,"97727","Y esa es la queja de todas las fuerzas policiales.",1160.12,1162.24,"Afirma ser una queja de las fuerzas policiales — descripción del problema.",{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1391,"start_s":1392,"end_s":1393,"word_count":198,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1396,"target_proposition":1397,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1398,"indexable":404},190,"97728","Disponemos de medios de acción para derrotar al crimen organizado en el campo de batalla, por ejemplo, pero el Estado no consigue aprobar las leyes penales y las leyes de proceso penal, las famosas leyes de ejecuciones penales también, de modo que el combate sea eficiente.",1162.74,1176.24,"justica-criminal","Justicia penal","c0b86dd4-27fb-419a-af1c-6f4f748a6aaa","aprobar leyes penales y de proceso penal","Dice que el Estado no logra aprobar esas leyes y que hay que hacerlas.",{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1405,"target_proposition":1406,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1407,"indexable":178},191,"97729","A veces el policía relata: arresté a un joven, o a veces arresté a un menor de edad, un asaltante de teléfonos celulares, y está en la calle de nuevo.",1176.64,1183.38,"f938ffbc-0186-4398-9fb7-bccf51050d45","mejorar la aplicación de penas y reducir la liberación anticipada de presos","Relata detenciones que resultan en regreso inmediato a la calle, describiendo la falla.",{"idx":1409,"utterance_id":1410,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1411,"start_s":1412,"end_s":1413,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1414,"target_proposition":1415,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1416,"indexable":178},192,"97730","Poco después hubo aquella operación en Río de Janeiro que fue muy comentada, y enseguida el Comando Vermelho permaneció con el control sobre el morro.",1183.78,1190.8,"68870c5c-74fa-43f1-8d60-79651a044907","reocupar territorios dominados por facciones criminales","Relata que la operación no eliminó el control del Comando Vermelho.",{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":1102,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":1426,"indexable":178},193,"97731","La cuestión es que tenemos que dividir.",1191.24,1192.2,"6c16e4fa-bf32-4bbc-8f8b-7b5bf44a6c30","reforzar políticas de combate a la criminalidad y a las facciones",0.5,"Afirma que 'temos que dividir' sin detallar la propuesta.",{"idx":1428,"utterance_id":1429,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1430,"start_s":1431,"end_s":1432,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":1433,"indexable":178},194,"97732","Hay dos tipos de ocupación territorial e institucional hechas por las facciones.",1192.3,1196.52,"Clasifica tipos de ocupación realizados por las facciones — descripción analítica.",{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1440,"indexable":178},195,"97733","Está la ocupación horizontal, que es sobre territorio, que es el estilo del Comando Vermelho, y la vertical, que es institucional, hecha por el PCC.",1196.84,1204.02,"Define ocupación horizontal y vertical, describiendo a las facciones.",{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1447,"target_proposition":1448,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1449,"indexable":404},196,"97734","Una exige fuerzas policiales, incluida la participación de las fuerzas armadas cuando sea necesario, de manera auxiliar.",1204.72,1209.02,"97994656-792f-4d45-af2f-8e70695a4018","articular la Policía Federal y las Fuerzas Armadas para enfrentar el crimen en el estado","Pide la participación de las fuerzas policiales y militares 'quando necessário'.",{"idx":1451,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1456,"target_proposition":1457,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":1458,"indexable":178},197,"97735","Otra exige inteligencia, COAF, Policía Federal.",1209.88,1213.24,"dd15593f-3c22-491d-a9aa-c745ecedd263","utilizar inteligencia financiera y a la Policía Federal para combatir facciones","Indica demanda de inteligencia, COAF y Policía Federal.",{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1465,"target_proposition":1466,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":1467,"indexable":404},198,"97736","instituciones de la República, con el fin de desmantelar sus operaciones.",1213.7,1216.64,"c6015ac5-4113-400c-9721-98e3c8797fbd","movilizar todas las instituciones federales en la lucha contra el crimen organizado","Propone usar instituciones republicanas para desmantelar operaciones criminales.",{"idx":1469,"utterance_id":1470,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1471,"start_s":1472,"end_s":1473,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1474,"target_proposition":1475,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":1476,"indexable":404},199,"97737","Y tenemos que saber usar eso de manera inteligente.",1217.08,1218.88,"ab5895b5-71ee-4c50-b1b1-4014eb3a7915","integrar fuerzas de seguridad entre la Unión, los estados y las instituciones","Afirma que es necesario 'saber usar isso de maneira inteligente'.",{"idx":1478,"utterance_id":1479,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1480,"start_s":1481,"end_s":1482,"word_count":627,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1483,"target_proposition":1484,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":1485,"indexable":404},200,"97738","Y aparte de eso, tenemos que hacer, y es lo que vengo defendiendo desde hace al menos un año y medio, casi dos años, traer a Brasil la idea del derecho penal del enemigo, que consiste en calificar de manera especial a las personas que forman parte de esas organizaciones criminales que no reconocen la autoridad del Estado como enemigos del Estado brasileño y que la ley para ellas funcione de manera diferente.",1219.02,1237.74,"29288f83-608b-41ba-b8fa-723c9443af63","establecer tratamiento procesal diferenciado para miembros de organizaciones criminales","Declara explícitamente estar defendiendo la introducción del derecho penal del enemigo.",{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1483,"target_proposition":1484,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1492,"indexable":404},201,"97739","Esto es un instituto que permitirá que nuestras fuerzas policiales y las fuerzas de justicia traten a esos enemigos del Estado, que son las facciones criminales, como deben ser tratados.",1238.24,1246.94,"Afirma que el instituto permitirá tratar a las facciones como deben ser tratadas.",{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1483,"target_proposition":1484,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":1499,"indexable":404},202,"97740","Porque hoy ellos se aprovechan de derechos y prerrogativas de modo que básicamente se mantienen al margen de la mano dura que el Estado tiene que tener para enfrentarlos y para mantener a millones de brasileños... en un estado paralelo, que les arrebata a esos brasileños sus derechos humanos.",1247.14,1261.24,"Argumenta que las facciones se valen de prerrogativas para escapar, justificando la acción.",{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":174,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1505,"target_proposition":1506,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":1508,"indexable":178},"97741","Renan, eso que estás diciendo, ¿hasta qué punto, por ejemplo, se acerca al modelo de seguridad pública de El Salvador, que está tan comentado hoy en día?",1261.4,1268.16,"2e832aeb-e07e-42ad-87b8-e2af37783673","adoptar políticas de seguridad pública de línea dura inspiradas en el modelo Bukele",0.6,"Pregunta comparativa sobre la similitud con el modelo salvadoreño, sin posicionarse.",{"idx":1510,"utterance_id":1511,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1512,"start_s":1513,"end_s":1514,"word_count":540,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1505,"target_proposition":1506,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1515,"indexable":178},204,"97742","Estuvimos en El Salvador en 2024, conocimos, vimos de cerca cómo es su modelo de funcionamiento, y él aplicó algo similar, que es la idea de que las facciones, los grupos... que podemos calificar como terroristas, ahí es una cuestión de nomenclatura.",1268.52,1284,"Relata una visita a El Salvador y describe el modelo observado.",{"idx":1517,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1522,"target_proposition":1523,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1524,"indexable":404},205,"97743","Están atentando contra el Estado de Derecho y, por tanto, el Estado de Derecho debe instrumentalizarse con todas las herramientas para quitar determinadas prerrogativas a esos tipos, a esas dirigencias del crimen organizado, y ponerlos rápidamente en la cárcel.",1284.52,1297.3,"602a46e9-3866-4c68-885e-e90ca672ceb5","retirar prerrogativas jurídicas a las lideranzas del crimen organizado y detenerlas rápidamente","Defiende instrumentalizar el Estado para retirar prerrogativas y encarcelar rápidamente.",{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":394,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1532,"indexable":178},"97744","Estableció un régimen especial; allí lo llaman régimen de excepción, y con base en eso desmanteló todo el crimen organizado en El Salvador y convirtió a El Salvador en el país más seguro de las Américas.",1297.34,1306.38,"6fef86da-8e8b-481a-b2ce-0561cfe6911f","decretar estados de defensa e intervenciones federales para enfrentar el crimen organizado","Relata que El Salvador estableció un régimen especial y los resultados alcanzados.",{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1483,"target_proposition":1484,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1539,"indexable":404},207,"97745","El instituto que él utilizó puede emplearse aquí.",1307.24,1309.74,"Afirma que el instituto aplicado en El Salvador 'dá para ser utilizado aqui'.",{"idx":1541,"utterance_id":1542,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1543,"start_s":1544,"end_s":1545,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1546,"target_proposition":1547,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":1548,"indexable":404},208,"97746","Y también podemos utilizar otras estrategias de combate, dado que la situación brasileña es diferente.",1310.38,1314.34,"49d1b998-4416-468b-bcd8-fa9c913f9c8f","adoptar estrategias variadas para combatir el crimen organizado","Dice que podemos utilizar otras estrategias dado el contexto brasileño.",{"idx":1550,"utterance_id":1551,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1552,"start_s":1553,"end_s":1554,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1546,"target_proposition":1547,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1555,"indexable":178},209,"97747","Brasil tiene modelos distintos de ocupación.",1314.44,1316.2,"Afirma que Brasil tiene modelos distintos de ocupación — descripción.",{"idx":1557,"utterance_id":1558,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1559,"start_s":1560,"end_s":1561,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1562,"target_proposition":1563,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":1564,"indexable":404},210,"97748","Un ejemplo: el PCC, para nombrarlo explícitamente, no estaba presente en El Salvador; no había allí una versión del PCC.",1316.44,1321.42,"94fc3655-11f2-4c52-9681-bb715a6574a4","adoptar una postura más incisiva del Gobierno Federal en el enfrentamiento del crimen organizado","Observa que el PCC no estaba presente en El Salvador, describiendo la diferencia.",{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1562,"target_proposition":1563,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":1571,"indexable":404},211,"97749","El combate al PCC será diferente de lo que hicieron en El Salvador.",1321.78,1324.68,"Afirma que la lucha contra el PCC tendrá que ser distinta del modelo salvadoreño.",{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1578,"target_proposition":1579,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":1580,"indexable":404},212,"97750","En eso, la estructura del Estado también debe utilizarse de manera diferente.",1325.02,1327.94,"d0ef812b-3f93-49b4-9f22-a6b1d1237848","usar la estructura del Estado de manera diferenciada para enfrentar facciones","Afirma que la estructura del Estado debe ser utilizada de modo distinto.",{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1587,"target_proposition":1588,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":1589,"indexable":178},213,"97751","Cada caso, cada facción, una solución.",1328.52,1330.6,"5e5cc695-15ce-46c7-be6d-3552543c343a","adoptar soluciones caso por caso para enfrentar facciones criminales","Resume: 'Cada caso, cada facção, uma solução' — defensa de medidas específicas.",{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":174,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1505,"target_proposition":1506,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":1596,"indexable":178},214,"97752","Aldo, ¿cómo ve usted ese modelo de El Salvador en relación con la pregunta de Thais?",1331.08,1335.7,"Pregunta a Aldo sobre su visión del modelo salvadoreño sin posicionarse.",{"idx":1598,"utterance_id":1599,"speaker_name":174,"text":1600,"start_s":1601,"end_s":1602,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1603,"target_proposition":1604,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":1605,"indexable":178},215,"97753","y también qué propuestas... ¿Qué propondría usted en el área de seguridad?",1335.76,1338.74,"9015c7c3-680c-4bd6-9e21-8a1e24859f3c","presentar propuestas de política pública para la seguridad estatal","Pregunta qué propuestas presentaría el invitado en el área de seguridad.",{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":174,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1612,"target_proposition":1613,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":1614,"indexable":178},216,"97754","¿Usted, por ejemplo, defiende endurecimientos en el Código Penal, penas más duras, reducción de la mayoridad penal?",1338.78,1343.94,"1ceb6f95-b82d-40f4-bc94-4d3d06b768d2","elaborar nueva legislación penal con penas más severas","Pregunta si el invitado defiende endurecimientos en el Código Penal y penas más duras.",{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":174,"text":1618,"start_s":1619,"end_s":1620,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},217,"97755","¿Qué incluiría usted en esa área de la seguridad pública?",1344.34,1346.44,{"idx":1622,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":174,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":1629,"indexable":404},218,"97756","Cuando yo era ministro de Defensa, hicimos una operación en la Amazonía llamada Operación Ágata, para reducir los delitos transnacionales, los delitos fronterizos.",1347.44,1357.66,"92574c5c-9b75-4ea4-8226-9137b8c3aa16","restringir el flujo financiero y logístico del crimen organizado mediante control de fronteras e inteligencia financiera","Afirma haber conducido Operação Ágata para reducir delitos transnacionales.",{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":174,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1636,"target_proposition":1637,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1638,"indexable":178},219,"97757","Esa operación era conducida por el Ministerio de Defensa; participaban el Ejército, la Marina, la Fuerza Aérea.",1358.12,1366.68,"e242d5d7-724f-43b0-a600-2cd3d361bcc0","movilizar fuerzas armadas en operaciones en la Amazonía","Describe la participación del Ministerio de Defensa y las Fuerzas Armadas en la operación.",{"idx":1640,"utterance_id":1641,"speaker_name":174,"text":1642,"start_s":1643,"end_s":1644,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1645,"target_proposition":1646,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1647,"indexable":178},220,"97758","Las policías militares de los estados de la Amazonía, las policías civiles de los estados de la Amazonía, la Fuerza Nacional, el COAF, la Receita Federal.",1367.1,1378.58,"bc4465eb-44dc-4a38-9ca8-88155ba5b83d","crear una fuerza de tarea interinstitucional para combatir el crimen organizado y recuperar territorios","Enumera policías y agencias que participaron en la fuerza de tarea.",{"idx":1649,"utterance_id":1650,"speaker_name":174,"text":1651,"start_s":1652,"end_s":1653,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1645,"target_proposition":1646,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":1654,"indexable":404},221,"97759","Entonces era una fuerza de tarea del Estado que bloqueaba la acción del crimen organizado transfronterizo, que se redujo a cero.",1379.06,1388.42,"Afirma que la fuerza de tarea bloqueaba la acción del crimen organizado.",{"idx":1656,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":174,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1661,"target_proposition":1662,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1663,"indexable":178},222,"97760","Ahora, cuando la operación cesaba, la actuación de los grupos criminales volvía.",1389.08,1395.42,"d74d4d85-e60b-4f55-81e1-d1f1d188acb7","mantener operaciones de seguridad pública","Observa que, cuando la operación cesaba, los crímenes volvían — descripción.",{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":174,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":471,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1447,"target_proposition":1448,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":1670,"indexable":404},223,"97761","Por lo tanto, eso demuestra que se puede enfrentar, que el Estado Nacional, que las fuerzas policiales, las fuerzas armadas, dando la logística y la retaguardia, pueden enfrentar a la criminalidad, que hoy en la Amazonía, básicamente, controla los ríos de la Amazonía, controla las áreas de frontera.",1396.16,1414.72,"Afirma que el Estado, con logística y retaguarda, puede enfrentar la criminalidad.",{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":174,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},224,"97762","¿Qué es lo que yo defiendo?",1415.54,1416.42,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":174,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1483,"target_proposition":1484,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":1683,"indexable":404},225,"97763","Defiendo que existan normas especiales y normas de excepción para enfrentar al crimen organizado.",1417.36,1421.54,"Declara explícitamente: 'Eu defendo que haja normas especiais e de exceção'.",{"idx":1685,"utterance_id":1686,"speaker_name":174,"text":1687,"start_s":1688,"end_s":1689,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1690,"target_proposition":1691,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1692,"indexable":404},226,"97764","No se puede tratar al crimen organizado como se trata a un ciudadano que comete un delito de tránsito y que no tiene ningún antecedente criminal.",1421.9,1431.52,"b9b79657-43a8-492b-bd37-e332ddd4b390","adoptar normas penales diferenciadas para miembros de organizaciones criminales","Afirma que no se puede tratar al crimen organizado como un crimen común.",{"idx":1694,"utterance_id":1695,"speaker_name":174,"text":1696,"start_s":1697,"end_s":1698,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1699,"target_proposition":1700,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1701,"indexable":178},227,"97765","A ese se le puede conceder el derecho a la audiencia de custodia, al habeas corpus, a la salida temporal.",1431.96,1436.9,"ff744516-4095-4c64-98c8-c801c4f97811","garantizar derechos procesales para ciudadanos comunes (audiencia de custodia, habeas corpus)","Describe la distinción entre el tratamiento del ciudadano común y del criminal organizado.",{"idx":1703,"utterance_id":1704,"speaker_name":174,"text":1705,"start_s":1706,"end_s":1707,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1690,"target_proposition":1691,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1708,"indexable":404},228,"97766","El crimen organizado no puede disponer de esas prerrogativas, porque cuando le concedes un habeas corpus a un delincuente vinculado al narcotráfico, terminas concediendo un habeas corpus a André do Rep.",1437.3,1449.48,"Argumenta que los criminales organizados no deben disponer de las mismas prerrogativas.",{"idx":1710,"utterance_id":1711,"speaker_name":174,"text":1712,"start_s":1713,"end_s":1714,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1690,"target_proposition":1691,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":1715,"indexable":178},229,"97767","Entonces tienes que tener normas.",1449.56,1451.32,"Reitera que es preciso tener normas específicas para enfrentar al crimen organizado.",{"idx":1717,"utterance_id":1718,"speaker_name":174,"text":1719,"start_s":1720,"end_s":1721,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1722,"target_proposition":1723,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1724,"indexable":404},230,"97768","Si no les gusta la expresión normas de excepción, si la consideran demasiado fuerte, usen normas especiales.",1451.6,1457,"6c275c01-274f-4ab2-bcf9-5627a21b0484","adoptar prisiones especiales y declarar inafianzables los delitos de facciones, sin progresión de pena","Sugiere usar 'normas especiais' si 'normas de exceção' es un término pesado.",{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":174,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1731,"target_proposition":1732,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1733,"indexable":404},231,"97769","Normas que den a la policía, que den al Ministerio Público —en este caso sí— que den al Poder Judicial condiciones para enfrentar al crimen organizado.",1457.5,1467.88,"ffc94a9c-7aaf-4b22-9300-2cd6bbaac526","otorgar más poderes operativos a la policía, al MP y al Poder Judicial para enfrentar el crimen organizado","Pide normas que den condiciones a la policía, al Ministerio Público y al Poder Judicial para enfrentar a las facciones.",{"idx":1735,"utterance_id":1736,"speaker_name":174,"text":1737,"start_s":1738,"end_s":1739,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1690,"target_proposition":1691,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":1740,"indexable":404},232,"97770","Y con esas normas actuales, olvídense de esas facciones.",1467.92,1471.26,"Afirma que, con las normas actuales, no hay condiciones para enfrentar a las facciones.",{"idx":1742,"utterance_id":1743,"speaker_name":174,"text":1744,"start_s":1745,"end_s":1746,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1690,"target_proposition":1691,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1747,"indexable":178},233,"97771","No se tienen condiciones para enfrentar al crimen organizado.",1471.52,1474.46,"Afirma la incapacidad de enfrentar al crimen organizado con las normas actuales.",{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":174,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},234,"97772","Del mismo modo que combates un delito de tránsito o un delito de alguien que no tiene antecedentes penales.",1474.98,1480.14,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":174,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":1722,"target_proposition":1723,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1760,"indexable":178},235,"97773","¿Entonces existe en Brasil esa posibilidad?",1480.62,1482.96,"Afirma que se debe aplicar 'mão de ferro'; si no, la batalla no será vencida.",{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":174,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},236,"97774","Sí.",1483.06,1483.2,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":174,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},237,"97775","Pero en Brasil hay una incomprensión sobre cómo enfrentar esa situación.",1483.3,1486.68,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":174,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},"97776","Porque muchas veces existe la idea de que el crimen organizado es un problema social.",1486.76,1490.9,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":174,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},239,"97777","No.",1491.14,1491.3,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":174,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},240,"97778","El problema social es el desempleo, es el hambre.",1491.64,1494.18,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":174,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},241,"97779","Eso es el problema social.",1494.7,1496.08,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":174,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},242,"97780","El crimen organizado debe ser enfrentado con represión.",1496.38,1499.02,{"idx":1803,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":174,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},243,"97781","La violencia, lo que es el monopolio del Estado... debe usarse para enfrentar al crimen.",1499.8,1505.12,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":174,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},244,"97782","¿Quién va a enfrentar al crimen organizado?",1505.16,1506.62,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":174,"text":1816,"start_s":1817,"end_s":1818,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"97783","¿Es el ciudadano quien lo hará solo?",1506.66,1508.58,{"idx":1820,"utterance_id":1821,"speaker_name":174,"text":1781,"start_s":1822,"end_s":1823,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},246,"97784",1508.72,1509.02,{"idx":1825,"utterance_id":1826,"speaker_name":174,"text":1827,"start_s":1828,"end_s":1829,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},247,"97785","Es la policía.",1509.56,1510.22,{"idx":1831,"utterance_id":1832,"speaker_name":174,"text":1833,"start_s":1834,"end_s":1835,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},248,"97786","Tiene el monopolio de la violencia y debe utilizarse para enfrentar la criminalidad.",1510.32,1515.24,{"idx":1837,"utterance_id":1838,"speaker_name":174,"text":1839,"start_s":1840,"end_s":1841,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},249,"97787","De otra forma, no vamos a erradicar el control territorial, como ya ocurre hoy, el control de los ríos y de las fronteras, como sucede en la Amazonía.",1515.56,1523.44,{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":174,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},250,"97788","Comisarios, jefes policiales de la Amazonía, amigos míos, me envían informes.",1523.76,1528.64,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":174,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},251,"97789","Ya asumen funciones de Estado.",1528.72,1530.38,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":174,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},252,"97790","Investigan a la otra facción, detienen, juzgan, ejecutan la sentencia, filman y además lo envían a la autoridad policial.",1531.2,1538.82,{"idx":360,"utterance_id":1861,"speaker_name":174,"text":1862,"start_s":1863,"end_s":1864,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},"97791","Y aquí en São Paulo, todo el mundo sabe que hay áreas donde la policía militar no puede entrar.",1539.22,1544.26,{"idx":1866,"utterance_id":1867,"speaker_name":174,"text":1868,"start_s":1869,"end_s":1870,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},254,"97792","Entonces, creo lo siguiente: o hay mano dura contra el crimen organizado, o esta batalla no la vamos a ganar.",1544.3,1555.34,{"idx":1872,"utterance_id":1873,"speaker_name":174,"text":1874,"start_s":1875,"end_s":1876,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":1879,"target_proposition":1880,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":1881,"indexable":178},255,"97793","¿Y cómo ves la dificultad política?",1555.76,1557.54,"pacto-federativo","Pacto federativo","e5fdded9-aed7-42c6-9fce-b20f0b535480","mejorar la coordinación entre la Unión y los estados para combatir el crimen organizado","Pregunta sobre la dificultad política de reunir a los gobernadores y la Unión.",{"idx":1883,"utterance_id":1884,"speaker_name":174,"text":1885,"start_s":1886,"end_s":1887,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},256,"97794","Lo pregunto a ambos.",1557.62,1558.46,{"idx":1889,"utterance_id":1890,"speaker_name":174,"text":1891,"start_s":1892,"end_s":1893,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":1894,"target_proposition":1895,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":1896,"indexable":178},257,"97795","para reunir todas las fuerzas del país, los gobernadores y la Unión.",1558.92,1563.76,"4a97ee97-bd12-44f3-ac4f-a5b3fe84c2b1","promover coordinación entre gobernadores y la Unión para el combate al crimen organizado","Señala la necesidad de reunir las fuerzas del país, los gobernadores y la Unión.",{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":174,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":1903,"target_proposition":1904,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":1905,"indexable":404},258,"97796","Es evidente que alguien tiene que coordinar eso; tiene que ser la Unión.",1564.32,1566.94,"7bac5db9-69ff-4543-b05b-05e71ffbb0a8","establecer coordinación federal centralizada para el combate al crimen organizado","Afirma que 'alguém tem que coordenar isso, tem que ser a União'.",{"idx":1907,"utterance_id":1908,"speaker_name":174,"text":1909,"start_s":1910,"end_s":1911,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":1903,"target_proposition":1904,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":1912,"indexable":404},259,"97797","El gobierno federal debe coordinar el gran combate contra el crimen organizado en Brasil, con el apoyo de los estados.",1567.78,1574.22,"Declara que el gobierno federal debe coordinar el gran combate al crimen organizado.",{"idx":1914,"utterance_id":1915,"speaker_name":174,"text":1916,"start_s":1917,"end_s":1918,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},260,"97798","Estoy hablando de la estructura que tiene el país.",1574.76,1579.38,{"idx":1920,"utterance_id":1921,"speaker_name":174,"text":1922,"start_s":1923,"end_s":1924,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},261,"97799","Sin esa estructura en su plenitud, será difícil ganar esa guerra.",1579.64,1584.18,{"idx":1926,"utterance_id":1927,"speaker_name":174,"text":1928,"start_s":1929,"end_s":1930,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},262,"97800","Quería preguntar cómo ves... las cuestiones políticas que impiden la unión de las fuerzas contra el crimen organizado.",1584.62,1591.52,{"idx":1932,"utterance_id":1933,"speaker_name":174,"text":1934,"start_s":1935,"end_s":1936,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1937,"target_proposition":1938,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":1939,"indexable":404},263,"97801","Mira, yo fui el responsable de la seguridad pública durante la Copa del Mundo.",1591.76,1595.14,"5b7148bc-f355-4b57-af4f-2e1bb65cf19f","organizar operaciones de seguridad integradas en grandes eventos","Relata haber sido responsable de la seguridad de la Copa y del éxito de la operación.",{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":174,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":420,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1937,"target_proposition":1938,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1946,"indexable":178},264,"97802","Íbamos a recibir 32 selecciones, creo que 31, jefes de Estado; Merkel vino aquí dos veces, el vicepresidente de Estados Unidos vino, Putin vino, el rey de Bélgica vino, vino toda esa gente; había que garantizar la seguridad.",1595.62,1610.94,"Describe la complejidad y la necesidad de seguridad en grandes eventos.",{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":174,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1953,"target_proposition":1954,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1955,"rationale":1956,"indexable":404},265,"97803","Y entonces trabajábamos con las fuerzas armadas, trabajábamos con las policías militares y las policías civiles y fue un éxito absoluto.",1611.4,1619.12,"61bbd8af-b4e2-49d5-8359-9f83f8ca3fb1","reforzar la cooperación entre órganos de seguridad pública",0.78,"Afirma que la cooperación entre fuerzas y policías resultó en éxito.",{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":174,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},266,"97804","Eso fue en el gobierno... en el gobierno de la presidenta Dilma en 2014.",1619.16,1622.94,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":174,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},267,"97805","Tuvimos la cooperación entre esas instituciones; teníamos comando y control comunes.",1623.6,1631.88,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":174,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},268,"97806","Ejército, Marina, Fuerza Aérea, Policía Militar de São Paulo, Policía Civil, Fuerza Nacional, Policía Federal, todo el mundo trabajando en cooperación.",1632.56,1641.5,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":174,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},269,"97807","Y pudimos asumir la responsabilidad.",1641.96,1643.8,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":174,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1987,"target_proposition":1988,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":1989,"indexable":178},270,"97808","Ahora, la seguridad es un tipo de servicio que es intensivo en recursos humanos.",1643.9,1652.1,"00375ebe-4061-43cf-9f51-9cc3debd6ccb","modernizar y equipar las fuerzas de seguridad (vehículos, armamento, EPI)","Afirma que la seguridad es intensiva en recursos humanos y requiere equipo.",{"idx":1991,"utterance_id":1992,"speaker_name":174,"text":1993,"start_s":1994,"end_s":1995,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},271,"97809","Y en equipos.",1652.78,1653.96,{"idx":1997,"utterance_id":1998,"speaker_name":174,"text":1999,"start_s":2000,"end_s":2001,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1987,"target_proposition":1988,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":2002,"indexable":178},272,"97810","Tienes que contar con equipos modernos.",1654.22,1656.44,"Dice explícitamente 'você tem que ter equipamentos modernos'.",{"idx":2004,"utterance_id":2005,"speaker_name":174,"text":2006,"start_s":2007,"end_s":2008,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},273,"97811","Inteligencia.",1656.48,1657.04,{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":174,"text":2006,"start_s":2012,"end_s":2013,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},274,"97812",1657.08,1657.72,{"idx":2015,"utterance_id":2016,"speaker_name":174,"text":2017,"start_s":2018,"end_s":2019,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2020,"target_proposition":2021,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2022,"indexable":178},275,"97813","El equipamiento es principalmente para la inteligencia.",1657.76,1659.78,"d0792e71-21fe-45d2-9432-d16c6c506690","priorizar inversiones y políticas en seguridad pública y policía","Afirma que el equipo es principalmente para la inteligencia.",{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":174,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1987,"target_proposition":1988,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2029,"indexable":178},276,"97814","Si no dispones de eso, vas a exigir que un policía militar, con un chaleco vencido, que no tenga un radar, que no tenga el equipo de vigilancia...",1660.16,1669.22,"Describe las consecuencias de la falta de equipos para los policías.",{"idx":2031,"utterance_id":2032,"speaker_name":174,"text":1781,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},277,"97815",1669.56,1669.92,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":174,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":357,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2041,"target_proposition":2042,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2043,"indexable":178},278,"97816","Y Brasil, desafortunadamente... Hoy vi en el periódico la noticia... de que el presupuesto de seguridad pública del gobierno federal fue menor que el presupuesto de propaganda, de publicidad.",1670.04,1681.44,"18e75e32-d24f-4ec1-9ecd-1e056360ad2b","aumentar las transferencias federales para la seguridad pública y los fondos penitenciarios","Cita noticia de que el presupuesto de seguridad es menor que el de publicidad.",{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":174,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},279,"97817","No sé si corresponde, pero fue la noticia que leí.",1681.74,1683.9,{"idx":2051,"utterance_id":2052,"speaker_name":174,"text":2053,"start_s":2054,"end_s":2055,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},280,"97818","Entonces, de hecho, es una actividad descuidada por el Estado, descuidada por buena parte de los gobiernos, y en Brasil se ha convertido en la calamidad que tenemos.",1684.56,1696.02,{"idx":2057,"utterance_id":2058,"speaker_name":174,"text":2059,"start_s":2060,"end_s":2061,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2064,"indexable":404},281,"97819","Entonces, si tienes medios, recursos... Nuestras fuerzas armadas están muy bien preparadas.",1696.16,1701.94,"c8583a84-a650-4f35-8f0e-376db125d106","aumentar inversiones y capacidad de defensa nacional","Afirma que, con medios y recursos, las fuerzas están capacitadas y pueden actuar.",{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":174,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},282,"97820","Nuestras policías militares también están preparadas; como recurso humano, están bien formadas.",1702.14,1707.64,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":174,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2077,"target_proposition":2078,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2079,"indexable":404},283,"97821","Ahora, el recurso humano necesita el equipamiento, necesita un vehículo policial.",1708.14,1712.12,"c956738c-5a13-4840-b048-c1d6104621d2","proveer vehículos y patrullas adecuadas a las fuerzas policiales","Dice que los recursos humanos necesitan equipo y vehículos.",{"idx":2081,"utterance_id":2082,"speaker_name":174,"text":2083,"start_s":2084,"end_s":2085,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2086,"target_proposition":2087,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2088,"indexable":404},284,"97822","Para patrullar el río de la Amazonía se necesita una lancha.",1713.16,1715.46,"b7d6b6d7-a979-4017-8799-4ff5a36bb972","proveer embarcaciones adecuadas para fiscalización en la Amazonía","Afirma que para fiscalizar el Río de la Amazonía se necesita una lancha.",{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":174,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":477,"indexable":178},285,"97823","Ahora, no tienes eso; sales con una canoa pequeña, una voadeira (lancha pequeña), con un teniente y dos sargentos para llevar la... la vacuna y el medicamento al ribereño, y se encuentran con una lancha con una ametralladora .50 en la proa bajando el río; ¿qué pasa?",1715.86,1735.22,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":174,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},286,"97824","El barco del Ejército se refugia; no encara el enfrentamiento, porque no tiene condiciones para combatir.",1735.56,1739.12,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":174,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},287,"97825","Si las tiene, entonces la cosa cambia.",1739.4,1741.14,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":174,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2113,"target_proposition":2114,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2115,"indexable":178},288,"97826","Renan, también te escuché sobre la cuestión, un poco de lo que dijo Mitri, de esa integración también entre las fuerzas.",1741.74,1747.26,"cd829fcb-5432-4a92-a9f6-ad4d705d00d0","promover integración y cooperación entre las fuerzas y los entes federativos","Comenta sobre la integración entre fuerzas y la falta de voluntad política entre entes.",{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":174,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2113,"target_proposition":2114,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2122,"indexable":178},289,"97827","Y a veces incluso falta voluntad política entre esos entes.",1747.34,1750.38,"Afirma que a veces falta voluntad política entre esos entes.",{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2129,"target_proposition":2130,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2131,"indexable":178},290,"97828","Pero ese es el problema principal.",1750.52,1752.02,"8188b9c2-7910-473f-aaae-d1905496f5bd","promover cooperación entre los estados y la Unión para enfrentar el crimen organizado","Identifica la falta de voluntad política como problema principal.",{"idx":2133,"utterance_id":2134,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2135,"start_s":2136,"end_s":2137,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2138,"target_proposition":2139,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2140,"indexable":178},291,"97829","La realidad es que las fuerzas de seguridad de los estados saben qué hacer.",1752.26,1756.82,"aaf4500d-1fce-4009-8210-c147e6e2f65c","proveer tecnología y recursos federales a los estados para la seguridad pública","Afirma que las fuerzas estatales saben qué hacer, describiendo el diagnóstico.",{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2147,"target_proposition":2148,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2149,"indexable":178},292,"97830","Estuve en Ceará y tenemos ciudades enteras tomadas por el crimen organizado.",1756.88,1760.5,"900ff430-3950-41b7-bede-65aefa4dda51","retomar territorios dominados por el crimen organizado y garantizar acceso a políticas públicas","Relata que ciudades enteras en Ceará están tomadas por el crimen organizado.",{"idx":2151,"utterance_id":2152,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2153,"start_s":2154,"end_s":2155,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":2156,"topic_label":2157,"target_id":2158,"target_proposition":2159,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":2160,"indexable":178},293,"97831","No hay, repito aquí, incluso ya fui procesado dos veces por el gobernador de Ceará.",1760.88,1764.3,"politica-local","Política local","65ad3d3a-411f-455f-9a48-675ee1e59da3","investigar y responsabilizar a gobernadores por leniencia en la lucha contra la criminalidad","Afirma haber sido procesado por el gobernador de Ceará, relato personal.",{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2167,"target_proposition":2168,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2169,"indexable":178},294,"97832","No hay voluntad política para resolver esto.",1764.78,1766.34,"d99459bb-3aa7-43d1-8612-9b331a592ec0","garantizar voluntad política para combatir el crimen organizado","Afirma repetidamente que no hay voluntad política para resolver el problema.",{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},295,"97833","No hay ninguna voluntad.",1766.9,1767.66,{"idx":2177,"utterance_id":2178,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2179,"start_s":2180,"end_s":2181,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2182,"indexable":404},296,"97834","Y sospecho, y puedo recibir un tercer proceso, que el gobierno de Ceará es especialmente leniente con el avance del Comando Vermelho.",1768.12,1773.36,"Sospecha de leniencia e indica que actuaría con medidas duras si fuera elegido.",{"idx":2184,"utterance_id":2185,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2186,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2188,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},297,"97835","Hay gobernadores que no tienen voluntad política para resolver esto.",1773.84,1776.3,{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},298,"97836","En Bahía está ocurriendo lo mismo con Jerônimo.",1776.9,1778.74,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2201,"target_proposition":2202,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2203,"indexable":178},299,"97837","Las fuerzas policiales allá se quejan: mira, quiero actuar, sabemos dónde hay un área tomada por el crimen organizado, disponemos de fuerzas, no es difícil intercambiar disparos para resolverlo, no es difícil recuperar esa área, pero no podemos hacer nada.",1779.28,1791.58,"f9480a51-d070-4aa2-beab-fafea6f76f46","capacitar y autorizar a fuerzas policiales para retomar áreas dominadas por facciones","Cita la queja de las policías de que saben dónde actuar, pero no pueden.",{"idx":2205,"utterance_id":2206,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2207,"start_s":2208,"end_s":2209,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},300,"97838","No hay mando, no hay voluntad.",1792,1793.26,{"idx":2211,"utterance_id":2212,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2213,"start_s":2214,"end_s":2215,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":1394,"topic_label":1395,"target_id":2216,"target_proposition":2217,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2219,"indexable":404},301,"97839","Una de las cosas más absurdas que vi en Ceará fue que, durante la toma de una ciudad, Santa Quitéria, estaban discutiendo el programa Pena Justa, que iba a liberar a más delincuentes, porque las prisiones supuestamente no estaban en condiciones deseables para esos delincuentes.",1793.44,1806.62,"2a9bbc3d-b8fe-478c-83e1-77a539e21ba9","implementar el programa Pena Justa que prevé la liberación de presos","contra","Critica el programa Pena Justa que liberaría a más delincuentes.",{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":357,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2226,"target_proposition":2227,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2228,"indexable":404},302,"97840","Entonces, lo que el presidente de la república tiene que hacer es, si yo soy elegido presidente, de manera muy clara, el tema que me eligió fue la destrucción del crimen organizado.",1807.12,1815.06,"b9471d8a-5534-4215-96e4-dcf77d31438d","desarticular y destruir al crimen organizado mediante operaciones federales y medidas especiales","Afirma que el tema que lo elegiría sería la destrucción del crimen organizado.",{"idx":2230,"utterance_id":2231,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2232,"start_s":2233,"end_s":2234,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},303,"97841","Yo llevo dos años diciendo eso.",1815.1,1816.24,{"idx":2236,"utterance_id":2237,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2238,"start_s":2239,"end_s":2240,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},304,"97842","Será una elección plebiscitaria.",1816.5,1817.72,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2242,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2243,"start_s":2244,"end_s":2245,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},"97843","El tipo que decidió elegir a Renan Santos decidió elegirme a mí también, y en gran parte por eso.",1818.02,1822.82,{"idx":2247,"utterance_id":2248,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2249,"start_s":2250,"end_s":2251,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":2252,"indexable":404},306,"97844","Entonces, al llegar allí, los estados que no decidan cooperar... Dado que estamos hablando de la toma de espacios del territorio brasileño, vamos a declarar un estado de defensa específico en esos estados y municipios.",1823.18,1833.04,"Promete declarar estado de defensa específico en los estados que no cooperen.",{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2259,"target_proposition":2260,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2261,"indexable":178},307,"97845","La cooperación tiene que ocurrir.",1833.7,1835.02,"f054e5b2-8549-4334-8c2e-c1f8675404f4","promover cooperación entre los estados y la Unión para combatir el crimen organizado","Afirma que 'a cooperação precisa acontecer'.",{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},308,"97846","Y ya aviso a algunos estados.",1835.34,1836.38,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2271,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2273,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},309,"97847","Ceará lo necesita.",1836.8,1838.04,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},"97848","¿Quiere otro estado?",1838.5,1839.2,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},311,"97849","Bahia lo necesita.",1839.48,1840.24,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2291,"target_proposition":2292,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2293,"indexable":178},312,"97850","La gente habla mucho de Río de Janeiro, pero el estado de Ceará está en una situación mucho peor que el estado carioca.",1840.38,1844.8,"25935f08-bfe9-4fe3-af3e-978c1dbaf114","evaluar y priorizar áreas con mayor índice de violencia para intervención","Compara la situación de Ceará con la del Río, indicando índices peores en Ceará.",{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},"97851","Río de Janeiro es un ejemplo bizarro en muchos términos, pero a veces resulta anecdótico.",1845.26,1848.8,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},314,"97852","La situación, el número de muertos por cada 100.000 habitantes en Ceará... Los índices son peores.",1849.2,1852.78,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":174,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},315,"97853","Mucho peores.",1852.94,1853.54,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":174,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},316,"97854","Quizás el número de zonas de dominio sea ese número mayor.",1853.58,1857.44,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},317,"97855","Río de Janeiro está más balcanizado; es una facción aquí, otra sacando a la otra del edificio.",1858.54,1863.12,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},318,"97856","Pero en el caso de Ceará, se trata de tomas monopolistas por cuenta del Comando Vermelho y facciones auxiliares.",1863.48,1868.72,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":477,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":2335,"indexable":404},319,"97857","Si el gobierno está paralizado, el gobierno tiene que... ser reemplazado, entonces la gente votará por otro gobierno, o cuando nosotros lleguemos al poder, si ellos deciden no cooperar, vamos a declarar un estado de defensa específico, por un tiempo determinado, para que retomemos esos territorios.",1869.14,1883.02,"Afirma que, si está en el poder, declarará estado de defensa y retomará territorios.",{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2342,"indexable":178},320,"97858","Y solo en las áreas específicas.",1883.14,1884.96,"Aclara que la medida sería sólo en áreas específicas.",{"idx":2344,"utterance_id":2345,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2346,"start_s":2347,"end_s":2348,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},321,"97859","Incluso hay gente que dice: '¿y la democracia?'",1885,1887.16,{"idx":2350,"utterance_id":2351,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2352,"start_s":2353,"end_s":2354,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},322,"97860","No existe democracia en Santa Quitéria, en Ceará.",1887.24,1889.24,{"idx":2356,"utterance_id":2357,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2358,"start_s":2359,"end_s":2360,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":2361,"indexable":404},323,"97861","Voy a declarar un estado de defensa y voy a utilizar las fuerzas policiales y, si es necesario, las fuerzas de seguridad nacionales, las fuerzas armadas, para realizar esas operaciones.",1889.7,1897.38,"Promete usar fuerzas policiales y, si es necesario, fuerzas armadas bajo estado de defensa.",{"idx":2363,"utterance_id":2364,"speaker_name":174,"text":2365,"start_s":2366,"end_s":2367,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},324,"97862","Punto.",1897.78,1898.1,{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":2374,"topic_label":2375,"target_id":2376,"target_proposition":2377,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2378,"indexable":404},325,"97863","Vamos a recuperar esos territorios y luego entregar derechos humanos a las personas que lo necesiten.",1898.28,1902.92,"financas-publicas-e-seguranca-publica","Finanzas públicas y seguridad pública","fe7fafe6-adc7-424f-98b3-a3160d334202","retomar territorios dominados por facciones y restaurar derechos humanos a la población","Afirma que, tras recuperar territorios, entregará derechos humanos a las personas.",{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":303,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2385,"target_proposition":2386,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2387,"indexable":178},326,"97864","Tal como está, lo repito, existen gobernadores que están cooperando, directa o indirectamente, con el avance del crimen.",1903.24,1909.66,"ddee73f5-8b28-4e74-95b1-795b18894bdc","asegurar la cooperación de gobernadores en la lucha contra el crimen organizado","Afirma que hay gobernadores cooperando o cooperando indirectamente con el avance del crimen.",{"idx":2389,"utterance_id":2390,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2391,"start_s":2392,"end_s":2393,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":1877,"topic_label":1878,"target_id":2394,"target_proposition":2395,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2396,"indexable":178},327,"97865","Y eso tiene que acabar.",1909.92,1910.76,"2c4a539e-cf33-4d4b-bd38-75764e523ead","garantizar que gobernadores cooperen con la Unión en la lucha contra el crimen organizado","Afirma que la cooperación leniente de algunos gobernadores 'precisa acabar'.",{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":174,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},328,"97866","Déjenme solo retomar el tema.",1911.04,1912.04,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":174,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},329,"97867","Paulo dice, en Santa Quitéria —que él está citando aquí— que es el caos de Ceará, ¿existe... uranio?",1912.1,1917.72,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":174,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":2415,"topic_label":2416,"target_id":2417,"target_proposition":2418,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":2419,"indexable":404},330,"97868","Una mina de uranio y fosfato lleva 30 años esperando licencia.",1917.8,1922.38,"politica-de-mineracao","Política de Minería","48a55886-5814-4e0e-bbb4-245e5c9b3b29","licenciar la explotación de uranio y fosfato en Santa Quitéria","Informa la existencia de una mina esperando licencia desde hace 30 años.",{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":174,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},331,"97869","Es uranio y fosfato.",1922.58,1923.64,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":174,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},332,"97870","El país importa fosfato.",1923.68,1925.16,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":174,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},333,"97871","Hay fosfato allí en Santa Quitéria esperando licencia.",1925.24,1928.44,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":174,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":2415,"topic_label":2416,"target_id":2444,"target_proposition":2445,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":2446,"indexable":404},334,"97872","Ibama, no sé si FUNAI toma alguna medida, el Ministerio Público, están paralizando Santa Quitéria.",1928.8,1934.08,"c53649e2-825a-413e-92c6-d56a80c75955","establecer reglas claras y transparentes para la actividad minera","Señala a Ibama, FUNAI y MP como responsables de impedir la actividad.",{"idx":2448,"utterance_id":2449,"speaker_name":174,"text":2450,"start_s":2451,"end_s":2452,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":2415,"topic_label":2416,"target_id":2453,"target_proposition":2454,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2455,"indexable":404},335,"97873","Eso podría generar riqueza para la ciudad, para el Estado y para Brasil.",1934.28,1937.14,"653e7ac5-3fc2-43c2-b6c2-c624f39828f5","explotar reservas de tierras raras para el desarrollo económico","Afirma que la explotación podría generar riqueza para la ciudad, el Estado y Brasil.",{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":174,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},336,"97874","Está ahí parado.",1937.28,1937.84,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":174,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},337,"97875","Exacto.",1937.92,1938.22,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2474,"target_proposition":2475,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":2476,"indexable":178},338,"97876","Es más fácil que el Comando Vermelho haga una bomba sucia.",1938.28,1940.24,"f407c838-212c-47d3-90cf-c7fbae113c8c","prevenir la utilización de materiales nucleares por facciones criminales","Afirma, con tono hiperbólico, riesgo de que facciones hagan 'bomba suja' con uranio.",{"idx":2478,"utterance_id":2479,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2480,"start_s":2481,"end_s":2482,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":2485,"target_proposition":2486,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":2487,"indexable":178},339,"97877","con uranio que nosotros produzcamos fertilizantes para nuestra agricultura.",1940.6,1943.54,"politica-comercial","Política comercial","1d93c8d6-0de7-4e73-8a33-3c7adf821c0e","retomar la producción nacional de urea y fertilizantes","Critica la dependencia de las importaciones y la falta de producción local.",{"idx":2489,"utterance_id":2490,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2491,"start_s":2492,"end_s":2493,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},340,"97878","Esa es la broma nacional que estamos viviendo.",1943.78,1945.56,{"idx":2495,"utterance_id":2496,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2497,"start_s":2498,"end_s":2499,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},341,"97879","Es una broma nacional.",1945.88,1947.08,{"idx":2501,"utterance_id":2502,"speaker_name":174,"text":2503,"start_s":2504,"end_s":2505,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},342,"97880","El Jornal da Band esta semana va a hacer reportajes con Valterno de Oliveira mostrando esta cuestión de los fertilizantes.",1947.22,1952.22,{"idx":2507,"utterance_id":2508,"speaker_name":174,"text":2509,"start_s":2510,"end_s":2511,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},343,"97881","Lo mucho que Brasil, que es el granero del mundo, no consigue.",1952.28,1956.42,{"idx":2513,"utterance_id":2514,"speaker_name":174,"text":2515,"start_s":2516,"end_s":2517,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":2518,"topic_label":2519,"target_id":2520,"target_proposition":2521,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2522,"indexable":178},344,"97882","Depende en un 90% de la importación de fertilizantes y avanza a paso de tortuga, dependiente, como en la situación actual de guerra, de fertilizantes del exterior.",1956.46,1965.1,"politica-agricola","Política agrícola","3cd62b1c-e444-48de-a69e-d086d1738731","implementar política nacional de producción e inversión en fertilizantes en Brasil","Afirma dependencia del 90% de importación de fertilizantes — descripción y crítica.",{"idx":2524,"utterance_id":2525,"speaker_name":174,"text":2526,"start_s":2527,"end_s":2528,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},345,"97883","Déjame solo retomar lo que Aldo decía hace un momento sobre la cuestión de la seguridad pública.",1965.14,1969.8,{"idx":2530,"utterance_id":2531,"speaker_name":174,"text":2532,"start_s":2533,"end_s":2534,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},346,"97884","de Rebelo, sobre la falta de inversiones.",1969.84,1971.98,{"idx":2536,"utterance_id":2537,"speaker_name":174,"text":2538,"start_s":2539,"end_s":2540,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},347,"97885","Aldo, usted fue ministro de Defensa, quisiera oír después también a Renan.",1972.42,1975.34,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":174,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},348,"97886","Usted vivió de cerca la situación de las Fuerzas Armadas.",1975.9,1978.16,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":174,"text":2550,"start_s":2551,"end_s":2552,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},349,"97887","Hoy las Fuerzas Armadas se quejan mucho de falta de recursos.",1978.52,1981,{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":174,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},350,"97888","El mundo, hace 20 años, cuando había un orden global con la ONU y",1981.4,1985.5,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":174,"text":2562,"start_s":2563,"end_s":2564,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},351,"97889","etcétera,",1985.56,1985.76,{"idx":2566,"utterance_id":2567,"speaker_name":174,"text":2568,"start_s":2569,"end_s":2570,"word_count":351,"indexable":178},352,"97890","se pensaba que, mira, todo bien, sería difícil que alguien entrara aquí, invadiera; las tierras estaban en discusión; Brasil es la segunda mayor reserva del mundo, tenemos la Amazonía Azul.",1986.54,1995.6,{"idx":2572,"utterance_id":2573,"speaker_name":174,"text":2574,"start_s":2575,"end_s":2576,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},353,"97891","Entonces...",1995.86,1996.02,{"idx":2578,"utterance_id":2579,"speaker_name":174,"text":2580,"start_s":2581,"end_s":2582,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},354,"97892","Esa discusión no estaba tan latente.",1996.78,1998.2,{"idx":2584,"utterance_id":2585,"speaker_name":174,"text":2586,"start_s":2587,"end_s":2588,"word_count":471,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2589,"target_proposition":2590,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":2591,"indexable":178},355,"97893","Ante un presidente ahora, Donald Trump, que entró para arrestar a Maduro, que ahora está haciendo lo que está haciendo en esa región del Medio Oriente y todo eso, nos encontramos, por ejemplo, con la información de que Brasil no tiene defensa aérea.",1998.42,2011.92,"43bbf0f3-8639-448b-be3e-ce0b199eb9f6","desarrollar defensa aérea para Brasil","Afirma que Brasil no tiene defensa aérea, sugiriendo vulnerabilidad.",{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":174,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},356,"97894","Brasil no tiene defensa aérea.",2012.88,2013.82,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":174,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},357,"97895","Si quisiera hacer lo que hizo Trump con Maduro, entraría aquí a lo loco.",2014.06,2017.88,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":174,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},358,"97896","Incluso Lula habría convocado la reunión con el ministro de Defensa también, con Múcio y con el jefe de las Fuerzas Armadas para hablar sobre ese asunto.",2017.92,2026.02,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":174,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},359,"97897","¿Cuál es su visión sobre un proyecto de defensa para Brasil ante este mundo que estamos viviendo?",2026.42,2031.2,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":174,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},360,"97898","Después quisiera escuchar a Renan también sobre eso.",2031.24,2032.86,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":174,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2628,"target_proposition":2629,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2630,"indexable":178},361,"97899","En primer lugar, hay que reconocer que en materia de recursos humanos, nuestras Fuerzas Armadas están entre las más preparadas del mundo.",2033.06,2041.7,"f2003a27-efed-45dd-a821-ec563bf9019c","valorar los recursos humanos en las Fuerzas Armadas pero equiparlos adecuadamente","Reconoce la alta cualificación del personal, resaltando la necesidad de equipos.",{"idx":2632,"utterance_id":2633,"speaker_name":174,"text":2634,"start_s":2635,"end_s":2636,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},362,"97900","Nuestros pilotos son excepcionales.",2041.78,2043.96,{"idx":2638,"utterance_id":2639,"speaker_name":174,"text":2640,"start_s":2641,"end_s":2642,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},363,"97901","Nuestros submarinistas asombran en las maniobras que involucran a otros países.",2044.36,2051.5,{"idx":2644,"utterance_id":2645,"speaker_name":174,"text":2646,"start_s":2647,"end_s":2648,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},364,"97902","Nuestros submarinistas son muy buenos.",2051.9,2053.9,{"idx":2650,"utterance_id":2651,"speaker_name":174,"text":2652,"start_s":2653,"end_s":2654,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},365,"97903","Nuestros infantes de marina, nuestros paracaidistas, nuestras fuerzas especiales están muy bien formadas.",2054.36,2061.2,{"idx":2656,"utterance_id":2657,"speaker_name":174,"text":2658,"start_s":2659,"end_s":2660,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},366,"97904","Ahora, no basta con tener al soldado bien formado.",2061.54,2064.48,{"idx":2662,"utterance_id":2663,"speaker_name":174,"text":2664,"start_s":2665,"end_s":2666,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2667,"indexable":178},367,"97905","Necesitas el equipo.",2064.52,2066.02,"Hace una pregunta retórica y afirma 'você precisa do equipamento'.",{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":174,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},368,"97906","¿Cómo vas a poner a un piloto formado, con tanto rigor en Brasil, a pilotar qué?",2066.58,2071.22,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":174,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},369,"97907","El submarinista necesita el submarino.",2071.36,2073.22,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":174,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},370,"97908","Los creepers están llegando, ¿no?",2073.26,2074.38,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":174,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},371,"97909","Esos cazas, pero aún es poco para el...",2074.44,2075.62,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":174,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2698,"indexable":178},372,"97910","Están llegando, pero a una escala mucho menor de lo que necesitamos.",2075.66,2078.7,"Afirma que los equipos están llegando, pero en escala insuficiente.",{"idx":2700,"utterance_id":2701,"speaker_name":174,"text":2702,"start_s":2703,"end_s":2704,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2705,"target_proposition":2706,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2707,"indexable":178},373,"97911","Rodolfo, tenemos 17.000 kilómetros de frontera.",2078.76,2082.32,"76e48463-afc8-44e4-9f40-6288b930b712","reforzar la inteligencia y el control de fronteras","Recuerda que el país tiene 17 mil km de frontera, contextualizando la necesidad.",{"idx":2709,"utterance_id":2710,"speaker_name":174,"text":2711,"start_s":2712,"end_s":2713,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},374,"97912","Solo con Bolivia, nuestra frontera es más grande que la frontera de Estados Unidos con México.",2082.82,2087.18,{"idx":2715,"utterance_id":2716,"speaker_name":174,"text":2717,"start_s":2718,"end_s":2719,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},375,"97913","Pero, ministro, si hay margen en el presupuesto e incluso desde el punto de vista político para crear el clima para una gran inversión en el área militar...",2087.22,2094.52,{"idx":2721,"utterance_id":2722,"speaker_name":174,"text":2723,"start_s":2724,"end_s":2725,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},376,"97914","Sí, señora.",2094.68,2095.34,{"idx":2727,"utterance_id":2728,"speaker_name":174,"text":2723,"start_s":2729,"end_s":2730,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},377,"97915",2095.72,2096.32,{"idx":2732,"utterance_id":2733,"speaker_name":174,"text":2734,"start_s":2735,"end_s":2736,"word_count":388,"topic_slug":2737,"topic_label":2738,"target_id":2739,"target_proposition":2740,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1955,"rationale":2741,"indexable":404},378,"97916","Cuando yo era ministro de Defensa y ministro de Ciencia y Tecnología un poco antes, contraté a una gran economista inglesa o americana, la doctora Mariana Mazzucato, para estudiar la inversión, la innovación en el área de defensa.",2096.42,2111.54,"politica-de-defesa","Política de defensa","551608aa-5402-4990-8a91-9b9e867267e1","invertir en innovación e industria de defensa con aplicación civil","Relata haber contratado un estudio sobre innovación en la defensa con aplicación civil.",{"idx":2743,"utterance_id":2744,"speaker_name":174,"text":2745,"start_s":2746,"end_s":2747,"word_count":471,"topic_slug":2737,"topic_label":2738,"target_id":2748,"target_proposition":2749,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2750,"indexable":404},379,"97917","Toda inversión en el área de defensa, en innovación, en la industria de defensa, es dual, también tiene aplicación civil, como hacen en Estados Unidos; más de la mitad del presupuesto de ciencia, tecnología e innovación de Estados Unidos es para el área de defensa.",2112.28,2126.9,"ff7df808-e8f9-40c2-9e65-d8e9497715ed","priorizar defensa, tecnología y tierras raras en la agenda nacional","argumenta que la inversión en defensa es de uso dual y aporta beneficios civiles.",{"idx":2752,"utterance_id":2753,"speaker_name":174,"text":2754,"start_s":2755,"end_s":2756,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},380,"97918","Y de la inversión en el área de defensa salieron Internet y todos esos productos, esas aplicaciones que están por ahí.",2127.04,2133.88,{"idx":2758,"utterance_id":2759,"speaker_name":174,"text":2760,"start_s":2761,"end_s":2762,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},381,"97919","Entonces Brasil tiene condiciones.",2133.94,2135.1,{"idx":2764,"utterance_id":2765,"speaker_name":174,"text":2766,"start_s":2767,"end_s":2768,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":2737,"topic_label":2738,"target_id":2769,"target_proposition":2770,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2771,"indexable":178},382,"97920","Tiene que tomar medidas inmediatas.",2135.52,2137.44,"ff15d562-6d23-47f3-bf39-fdda46b2482d","fortalecer la capacidad de defensa nacional","afirma que Brasil 'tem que tomar providências imediatas' en la defensa.",{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":174,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2778,"target_proposition":2779,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":2780,"indexable":404},383,"97921","Cuando yo era ministro de Defensa... Conseguí un terreno allí en Maranhão para la instalación de la segunda escuadra.",2137.52,2144.5,"8150fee1-4765-4d13-a9f0-f9ab67092d5a","expandir infraestructura naval, incluyendo la instalación de una nueva escuadra","afirma haber acondicionado terreno para la instalación de la segunda escuadra en Maranhão.",{"idx":2782,"utterance_id":2783,"speaker_name":174,"text":2784,"start_s":2785,"end_s":2786,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},384,"97922","Brasil tiene una escuadra localizada aquí en Río de Janeiro.",2144.54,2147.88,{"idx":2788,"utterance_id":2789,"speaker_name":174,"text":2790,"start_s":2791,"end_s":2792,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},385,"97923","Brasil tiene una base de submarinos en Río de Janeiro.",2148.22,2150.5,{"idx":2794,"utterance_id":2795,"speaker_name":174,"text":2796,"start_s":2797,"end_s":2798,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},386,"97924","Está muy lejos de la Amazonía.",2150.88,2152.6,{"idx":2800,"utterance_id":2801,"speaker_name":174,"text":2802,"start_s":2803,"end_s":2804,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2805,"target_proposition":2806,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":2807,"indexable":178},387,"97925","La Marina cree que podemos crear una línea de bloqueo entre Natal y Dakar, militarizar Fernando de Noronha como un ancla.",2153.1,2166.78,"28e0de37-ca3e-4bb0-a082-186072a0a973","crear línea de bloqueo naval entre Natal y Dakar y militarizar Fernando de Noronha","relata una sugerencia de la Marina sobre una línea de bloqueo y la militarización de Noronha.",{"idx":2809,"utterance_id":2810,"speaker_name":174,"text":2811,"start_s":2812,"end_s":2813,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},388,"97926","para la Marina en caso de emergencia.",2167.3,2170.16,{"idx":2815,"utterance_id":2816,"speaker_name":174,"text":2817,"start_s":2818,"end_s":2819,"word_count":345,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2820,"target_proposition":2821,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1955,"rationale":2822,"indexable":404},389,"97927","Yo aparté allí el terreno, lo transferí del Ejército a la Marina en un puerto de aguas profundas, cerca de São Luís, para hacer la segunda base allí cerca de la Amazonía.",2170.54,2183.18,"23523666-0b54-406a-a631-fc9425d0a503","establecer bases navales estratégicas en la región Norte (cerca de la Amazonía)","reivindica haber transferido terrenos y creado una base naval en la región.",{"idx":2824,"utterance_id":2825,"speaker_name":174,"text":2826,"start_s":2827,"end_s":2828,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":2829,"topic_label":2830,"target_id":2831,"target_proposition":2832,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2833,"indexable":404},390,"97928","Tiene que crear una base aeroespacial en el norte del país, o en Boa Vista, o en Tiriós.",2183.52,2190.86,"politica-espacial","Política espacial","c9610492-09f9-4cb1-8c0e-28d0fe07fa40","crear una base aeroespacial en el norte del país","dice explícitamente 'Você tem que criar uma base aeroespacial'.",{"idx":2835,"utterance_id":2836,"speaker_name":174,"text":2837,"start_s":2838,"end_s":2839,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2840,"target_proposition":2841,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2842,"indexable":404},391,"97929","Tiene que multiplicar los pelotones de frontera.",2191.3,2193.78,"e221e28e-75ee-4fc2-bda9-b9b45a83bf15","aumentar el personal de la Policía Federal","usa 'Você tem que multiplicar os pelotões de fronteira' como propuesta.",{"idx":2844,"utterance_id":2845,"speaker_name":174,"text":2846,"start_s":2847,"end_s":2848,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},392,"97930","Tiene que... multiplicar las tropas de guerra indígenas.",2194.34,2198.54,{"idx":2850,"utterance_id":2851,"speaker_name":174,"text":2852,"start_s":2853,"end_s":2854,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2857,"indexable":404},393,"97931","Hay que involucrar a las poblaciones indígenas, sobre todo en la Amazonía, crear núcleos de preparación de oficiales de la reserva.",2199.12,2206.08,"45ebeb8d-dacc-44aa-90c1-2284d0b3bc59","incluir poblaciones indígenas en actividades de defensa y crear núcleos de preparación de oficiales de la reserva","propone involucrar a indígenas y crear núcleos para la formación de oficiales.",{"idx":2859,"utterance_id":2860,"speaker_name":174,"text":2861,"start_s":2862,"end_s":2863,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},394,"97932","Existen, ¿no?",2206.12,2206.86,{"idx":2865,"utterance_id":2866,"speaker_name":174,"text":2867,"start_s":2868,"end_s":2869,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2870,"indexable":178},395,"97933","Existen núcleos indígenas del Ejército.",2206.9,2209.42,"afirma la existencia de núcleos indígenas del Ejército sin opinar.",{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":174,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":2877,"indexable":178},396,"97934","Pero muy pocos comparado con lo que necesitamos.",2209.66,2213.32,"dice 'muito poucos' indicando la necesidad de aumentar.",{"idx":2879,"utterance_id":2880,"speaker_name":174,"text":2881,"start_s":2882,"end_s":2883,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2884,"indexable":178},397,"97935","Tienes uno aquí y pasan mil kilómetros, mil doscientos, hasta que tengas el siguiente.",2213.4,2217.92,"describe la distancia entre núcleos sin proponer acción nueva.",{"idx":2886,"utterance_id":2887,"speaker_name":174,"text":2888,"start_s":2889,"end_s":2890,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2891,"indexable":178},398,"97936","Tienes que crear muchos más.",2217.96,2219.88,"afirma categóricamente 'Você tem que criar muito mais'.",{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":174,"text":683,"start_s":2895,"end_s":2896,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},399,"97937",2220.4,2220.72,{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":174,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":2903,"indexable":404},400,"97938","Porque usted incorpora a población indígena y sus idiomas en el ámbito de la defensa de Brasil.",2220.82,2226.86,"defiende la incorporación de indígenas y de sus idiomas a la defensa.",{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":174,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2855,"target_proposition":2856,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":2910,"indexable":178},401,"97939","Eso es lo que necesitamos hacer.",2226.96,2229.18,"reafirma 'É isso que nós precisamos fazer'.",{"idx":2912,"utterance_id":2913,"speaker_name":174,"text":2914,"start_s":2915,"end_s":2916,"word_count":260,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":2917,"indexable":404},402,"97940","Creo que hemos descuidado esto, porque es caro poner una escuadra en funcionamiento; una hora de vuelo de un caza cuesta, al menos, 20 o 30 mil dólares.",2229.56,2241.88,"critica la negligencia y cita los costos para justificar la inversión.",{"idx":2919,"utterance_id":2920,"speaker_name":174,"text":2921,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},403,"97941","Eso es lo que cuesta.",2242.26,2243.2,{"idx":2925,"utterance_id":2926,"speaker_name":174,"text":2927,"start_s":2928,"end_s":2929,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2930,"indexable":404},404,"97942","Pero se necesita eso, porque el país no es respetado, no se lo toma en serio.",2243.6,2248.52,"afirma que el país necesita esto para ser respetado.",{"idx":2932,"utterance_id":2933,"speaker_name":174,"text":2934,"start_s":2935,"end_s":2936,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2937,"target_proposition":2938,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":2939,"indexable":404},405,"97943","si él, por su tamaño, no trata la defensa de forma compatible con sus responsabilidades, lo cual es distinto de Uruguay, es distinto de Guyana.",2249.08,2258.48,"8bccd925-d315-46fe-98ba-c05afa30f4d5","fortalecer la defensa nacional para proteger la soberanía y los recursos","afirma que la defensa debe ser compatible con la dimensión territorial de Brasil.",{"idx":2941,"utterance_id":2942,"speaker_name":174,"text":2943,"start_s":2944,"end_s":2945,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2937,"target_proposition":2938,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2946,"indexable":178},406,"97944","Brasil es un continente; tiene 4 millones de kilómetros cuadrados de áreas jurisdiccionales en el mar.",2258.9,2264.5,"cita hechos sobre la dimensión y las áreas jurisdiccionales del país.",{"idx":2948,"utterance_id":2949,"speaker_name":174,"text":2950,"start_s":2951,"end_s":2952,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},407,"97945","Déjame escuchar a Renan.",2265.76,2266.48,{"idx":2954,"utterance_id":2955,"speaker_name":174,"text":2956,"start_s":2957,"end_s":2958,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},408,"97946","Renan, por favor.",2266.9,2267.68,{"idx":2960,"utterance_id":2961,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2962,"start_s":2963,"end_s":2964,"word_count":388,"indexable":178},409,"97947","De cierta manera, me siento, dadas las debidas proporciones, como Churchill, en el periodo previo a la Segunda Guerra, advirtiendo: «mira, esto va a salir mal, ese tipo del mostachito está avanzando aquí, avanzando sobre los Sudetes, va a salir mal».",2267.96,2278.4,{"idx":2966,"utterance_id":2967,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2968,"start_s":2969,"end_s":2970,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},410,"97948","El mundo se dirige hacia un clima de guerra fría que cada vez se vuelve más caliente.",2278.88,2282.88,{"idx":2972,"utterance_id":2973,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2974,"start_s":2975,"end_s":2976,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},411,"97949","Y las principales naciones disponen de tecnologías que ni siquiera nos imaginamos en la era militar.",2282.92,2287.28,{"idx":2978,"utterance_id":2979,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2980,"start_s":2981,"end_s":2982,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},412,"97950","Poca gente siguió y poca gente cubrió en Brasil lo que fue el Manifiesto de Palantir, que es hoy la principal empresa de tecnología militar de Estados Unidos.",2288.04,2295.4,{"idx":2984,"utterance_id":2985,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2986,"start_s":2987,"end_s":2988,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":2989,"indexable":178},413,"97951","Son técnicas de guerra, técnicas cibermilitares, drones, estrategias de lo más diversas para las que Brasil ni siquiera tiene herramientas para... para iniciar ese enfrentamiento.",2296,2305.46,"afirma falta de herramientas militares tecnológicas y la necesidad de capacidad.",{"idx":2991,"utterance_id":2992,"speaker_name":174,"text":2993,"start_s":2994,"end_s":2995,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},414,"97952","Algunos dicen que incluso habrían usado eso en la invasión allá para capturar a Maduro.",2305.5,2309.32,{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1764,"start_s":2999,"end_s":3000,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},415,"97953",2309.48,2309.62,{"idx":3002,"utterance_id":3003,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3004,"start_s":3005,"end_s":3006,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},416,"97954","Los relatos de los militares venezolanos son aterradores.",2310.64,2313.3,{"idx":3008,"utterance_id":3009,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3010,"start_s":3011,"end_s":3012,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},417,"97955","Nunca he visto el tipo de técnica que se utilizó aquí.",2313.82,2315.76,{"idx":3014,"utterance_id":3015,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3016,"start_s":3017,"end_s":3018,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2062,"target_proposition":2063,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":3019,"indexable":404},418,"97956","Hoy no tenemos condiciones para defender nuestro propio territorio en un conflicto.",2316.28,2320.6,"declara la incapacidad actual de defender territorio en conflicto.",{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},419,"97957","Pero nuestro territorio es codiciado.",2320.86,2322.5,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},420,"97958","Como usted puso en su pregunta inicial, disponemos de tierras raras, recursos naturales, agua, territorio, suelo fértil y somos un terreno en disputa.",2322.78,2330.88,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},421,"97959","China estaba intentando hacer su ocupación geopolítica aquí en América Latina y Estados Unidos nos ven como reserva estratégica.",2331.22,2337.18,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},422,"97960","Entonces estaremos en medio de ese conflicto.",2337.48,2339.22,{"idx":3045,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":198,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":3050,"target_proposition":3051,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":3052,"indexable":404},423,"97961","Y es un conflicto que llegará a las Américas y, por necesidad, si queremos mantener nuestro territorio de dimensiones imperiales y continentales, tenemos la necesidad nacionalista de mantener íntegro nuestro país, defendiéndonos con lo mejor de la técnica.",2339.54,2353.7,"c02abe1f-f1cf-47d3-b8a8-e4b2411a950c","construir una industria de defensa de alta capacidad mediante acuerdos de transferencia de tecnología","defiende prepararse usando tecnología y desarrollar la industria de defensa.",{"idx":3054,"utterance_id":3055,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3056,"start_s":3057,"end_s":3058,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},424,"97962","Y tenemos una oportunidad que nos fue dada por Dios, que son las tierras raras.",2354.2,2358.32,{"idx":3060,"utterance_id":3061,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3062,"start_s":3063,"end_s":3064,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},425,"97963","Gran parte de los equipos militares de última generación, la industria de semiconductores, los drones; esos equipos necesitan...",2358.74,2366.2,{"idx":3066,"utterance_id":3067,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3068,"start_s":3069,"end_s":3070,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},426,"97964","de las tierras raras.",2366.86,2367.56,{"idx":3072,"utterance_id":3073,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3074,"start_s":3075,"end_s":3076,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},427,"97965","Y ahora estamos discutiendo a quién vamos a vender la tierra rara.",2367.94,2370.74,{"idx":3078,"utterance_id":3079,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3080,"start_s":3081,"end_s":3082,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":3083,"target_proposition":3084,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3085,"indexable":404},428,"97966","Tenemos que tener una agenda de competitividad, tener, como ella expuso, un espacio fiscal; por eso hablo mucho de reforma fiscal en el área del gasto.",2371.38,2378.62,"e02b0874-e84f-4dd5-9159-98466c2d2afb","realizar una reforma fiscal en el área del gasto","dice 'Nós temos que ter...um espaço fiscal' y defiende la reforma.",{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":784,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":3083,"target_proposition":3084,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":3092,"indexable":404},429,"97967","Tiene que haber una reforma fiscal en el área del gasto para que quede dinero para que hagamos las inversiones correctas y, con base en eso, atraer, negociar con Estados Unidos o con China o quien sea, no solo la... producción de las tierras raras y su exportación, sino atraer la industria de semiconductores, atraer la industria bélica, hacer acuerdos de transferencia de tecnología y entonces comenzar a construir una industria de defensa de alta capacidad para que Brasil pueda prepararse para el nuevo mundo que viene.",2378.94,2402.86,"propone una reforma fiscal para liberar recursos para inversiones.",{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},430,"97968","Ese nuevo mundo que se avecina no tendrá a Brasil solo como espectador.",2403.24,2406.42,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},431,"97969","Nuestra estrategia de supervivencia en ese mundo es diferente.",2406.82,2409.46,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},432,"97970","El pacto, como usted dijo, el pacto de posguerra, el multilateralismo, los organismos internacionales... Todo eso se está relativizando.",2409.74,2417.68,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},433,"97971","Estamos viendo eso en Ucrania, en Venezuela, y probablemente lo veremos en Taiwán.",2418.06,2421.78,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},434,"97972","Y ahora tenemos que estar preparados para ese mundo.",2422.36,2423.88,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},435,"97973","Ese mundo puede ser muy cruel con Brasil.",2424.1,2426.18,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":174,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},436,"97974","Renan, necesito dar nuestro intervalo, pero solo para complementar una cuestión: Thais preguntó sobre cómo también subsidiar esto, ese aumento de la inversión en defensa.",2426.36,2434.78,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":174,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},437,"97975","¿Cree usted que a veces, por ejemplo, la explotación que aún no ha ocurrido, reglamentar y explotar más las tierras raras, se pueda tomar una parte de ese dinero y destinarla a la inversión en defensa?",2435.7,2445.4,{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":174,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},438,"97976","¿De dónde cree usted que puede provenir ese recurso, que realmente no es poco para la inversión en ese ámbito?",2445.46,2449.46,{"idx":3148,"utterance_id":3149,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3150,"start_s":3151,"end_s":3152,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},439,"97977","Voy más allá de eso.",2449.7,2450.68,{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":2737,"topic_label":2738,"target_id":3159,"target_proposition":3160,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":3161,"indexable":404},440,"97978","No se trata solo de tomar una parte de las regalías y destinarlas al área de defensa.",2450.74,2455.22,"8c4284d2-4794-4522-86cf-15fdbc935958","usar royalties de la explotación de recursos para financiar inversiones en defensa","niega que bastaría 'pegar um pedaço dos royalties'.",{"idx":3163,"utterance_id":3164,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3165,"start_s":3166,"end_s":3167,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":3050,"target_proposition":3051,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":3168,"indexable":404},441,"97979","Estoy hablando de montar una cadena industrial bélica en Brasil con transferencia de tecnología.",2455.46,2461.1,"dice explícitamente 'montar uma cadeia de indústria bélica...com transferência'.",{"idx":3170,"utterance_id":3171,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3172,"start_s":3173,"end_s":3174,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},442,"97980","Brasil es el segundo lugar en el mundo con más reservas de tierras raras.",2461.68,2466.2,{"idx":3176,"utterance_id":3177,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3178,"start_s":3179,"end_s":3180,"word_count":345,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":3181,"target_proposition":3182,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":3183,"indexable":404},443,"97981","Por lo tanto, usemos eso como carta de negociación, tal como Vargas supo utilizar durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial, la negociación del peso de Brasil para la instalación de la industria siderúrgica aquí.",2466.62,2474.52,"ddde2bed-dcb0-4f37-8964-f56c27803b89","usar reservas de tierras raras como moneda de cambio para atraer la instalación de industria local","propone usar tierras raras como moneda de negociación, citando el ejemplo de Vargas.",{"idx":3185,"utterance_id":3186,"speaker_name":174,"text":3187,"start_s":3188,"end_s":3189,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},444,"97982","La SSN allí en Volta Redonda.",2474.68,2475.68,{"idx":3191,"utterance_id":3192,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3193,"start_s":3194,"end_s":3195,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},445,"97983","Exacto, necesitamos utilizar eso como carta de negociación para posicionarnos.",2475.74,2478.78,{"idx":3197,"utterance_id":3198,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3199,"start_s":3200,"end_s":3201,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},446,"97984","Y es urgente.",2479.1,2479.82,{"idx":3203,"utterance_id":3204,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3205,"start_s":3206,"end_s":3207,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},447,"97985","El problema es que en el debate público en Brasil, los dos principales candidatos no hablan de eso.",2480.04,2483.02,{"idx":3209,"utterance_id":3210,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3211,"start_s":3212,"end_s":3213,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},448,"97986","Uno solo habla de liberar al padre y el otro habla de ahorrar para el futuro.",2483.46,2485.54,{"idx":3215,"utterance_id":3216,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3217,"start_s":3218,"end_s":3219,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},449,"97987","Mientras tanto, dentro de 30 años, quizá no haya país para liberar a nadie ni para guardar ahorros.",2485.58,2489.7,{"idx":3221,"utterance_id":3222,"speaker_name":174,"text":3223,"start_s":3224,"end_s":3225,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},450,"97988","Quisiera agradecer en este primer bloque a Renan Aldo Rebilo.",2490.7,2493.42,{"idx":3227,"utterance_id":3228,"speaker_name":174,"text":3229,"start_s":3230,"end_s":3231,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},451,"97989","Estamos aquí conversando y realizando una entrevista con los dos precandidatos a la presidencia de la República, en este Canal Livre especial sobre elecciones.",2493.74,2500.04,{"idx":3233,"utterance_id":3234,"speaker_name":174,"text":3235,"start_s":3236,"end_s":3237,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},452,"97990","Vamos al intervalo y volvemos enseguida.",2500.08,2501.9,{"idx":3239,"utterance_id":3240,"speaker_name":174,"text":3241,"start_s":3242,"end_s":3243,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},453,"97991","No se vaya, que el programa está debatiendo diversos asuntos y todavía tenemos muchas preguntas en la manga.",2502.02,2506.66,{"idx":3245,"utterance_id":3246,"speaker_name":174,"text":3247,"start_s":3248,"end_s":3249,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},454,"97992","Enseguida.",2506.72,2506.96,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":3251,"speaker_name":174,"text":3252,"start_s":3253,"end_s":3254,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},"97993","Aquí en Band News TV, usted tiene más que la noticia: tiene el análisis de los hechos.",2521.88,2527.46,{"idx":3256,"utterance_id":3257,"speaker_name":174,"text":3258,"start_s":3259,"end_s":3260,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},456,"97994","Fernando Schiller y el punto de vista sobre lo que ocurre en la política.",2528.04,2532.42,{"idx":3262,"utterance_id":3263,"speaker_name":174,"text":3264,"start_s":3265,"end_s":3266,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},457,"97995","En la columna, la noticia, la mirada crítica y experimentada de Fernando Mitre sobre los acontecimientos en Brasil y en el mundo.",2533.34,2541.28,{"idx":3268,"utterance_id":3269,"speaker_name":174,"text":3270,"start_s":3271,"end_s":3272,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},458,"97996","Directo desde Brasília, Cláudio Humberto revela los entresijos de la capital federal.",2542.02,2547.18,{"idx":3274,"utterance_id":3275,"speaker_name":174,"text":3276,"start_s":3277,"end_s":3278,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},459,"97997","Y además de la información, aquí usted encuentra opinión con Rodolfo Schneider.",2548.06,2553.62,{"idx":3280,"utterance_id":3281,"speaker_name":174,"text":3282,"start_s":3283,"end_s":3284,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},460,"97998","Eduardo Oinec también está con nosotros.",2554.44,2557.12,{"idx":3286,"utterance_id":3287,"speaker_name":174,"text":3288,"start_s":3289,"end_s":3290,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},461,"97999","Diariamente, un análisis directo sobre los principales hechos del día.",2557.72,2562.14,{"idx":3292,"utterance_id":3293,"speaker_name":174,"text":3294,"start_s":3295,"end_s":3296,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},462,"98000","Aquí la economía va mucho más allá de los números.",2563.04,2566.42,{"idx":3298,"utterance_id":3299,"speaker_name":174,"text":3300,"start_s":3301,"end_s":3302,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},463,"98001","Juliana Rosa y Paulo Rabelo de Castro repercuten sobre el escenario económico del país, lo que afecta al mercado y a su bolsillo.",2566.98,2575.92,{"idx":3304,"utterance_id":3305,"speaker_name":174,"text":3306,"start_s":3307,"end_s":3308,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},464,"98002","Y no puede faltar el análisis completo de política y cotidiano con Marco Antônio Sabino.",2576.3,2582.18,{"idx":3310,"utterance_id":3311,"speaker_name":174,"text":3312,"start_s":3313,"end_s":3314,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},465,"98003","Band News TV, a la velocidad de la noticia, con los mejores columnistas.",2582.92,2589.06,{"idx":3316,"utterance_id":3317,"speaker_name":174,"text":3318,"start_s":3319,"end_s":3320,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},466,"98004","Estamos de vuelta con Canal Livre, esta noche recibiendo a los precandidatos a la presidencia Renan Santos y Aldo Rebelo aquí en nuestro programa.",2597.02,2603.38,{"idx":3322,"utterance_id":3323,"speaker_name":174,"text":3324,"start_s":3325,"end_s":3326,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},467,"98005","Comenzamos este bloque con la pregunta de Mitre.",2603.42,2605.54,{"idx":3328,"utterance_id":3329,"speaker_name":174,"text":3330,"start_s":3331,"end_s":3332,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},468,"98006","Adelante, Mitre.",2605.72,2606.26,{"idx":3334,"utterance_id":3335,"speaker_name":174,"text":3336,"start_s":3337,"end_s":3338,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},469,"98007","Brasil hoy está discutiendo algunas materias que ya forman parte del día a día del Congreso.",2607.06,2612.6,{"idx":3340,"utterance_id":3341,"speaker_name":174,"text":3342,"start_s":3343,"end_s":3344,"word_count":406,"topic_slug":3345,"topic_label":3346,"target_id":3347,"target_proposition":3348,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3349,"indexable":404},470,"98008","Una de ellas es esta reducción de las horas de trabajo, este proyecto que está ahí, un proyecto que incluso... El primer proyecto lo llamo absurdo, que es el 4x3: trabajas cuatro días y descansas tres.",2613.48,2626.18,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","Relaciones Internacionales \u002F Trabajo","e4ab215d-f1e0-4573-9e1a-2c5b67131246","adoptar jornada laboral 4x3","califica el proyecto 4x3 de 'absurdo', postura directamente contraria.",{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":174,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":3345,"topic_label":3346,"target_id":3347,"target_proposition":3348,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":3356,"indexable":404},471,"98009","Hasta podría ser bueno, pero está completamente fuera de la realidad.",2626.5,2629.16,"reafirma ser 'inteiramente fora da realidade'.",{"idx":3358,"utterance_id":3359,"speaker_name":174,"text":3360,"start_s":3361,"end_s":3362,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},472,"98010","Pero el gobierno tiene otro que va más allá de eso y de manera un poco más, digamos, madura.",2629.7,2638.36,{"idx":3364,"utterance_id":3365,"speaker_name":174,"text":3366,"start_s":3367,"end_s":3368,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},473,"98011","La oposición tiene su posición también.",2639.04,2641.72,{"idx":3370,"utterance_id":3371,"speaker_name":174,"text":3372,"start_s":3373,"end_s":3374,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},474,"98012","El 5x2, el 6x1 pasa al 5x2.",2641.76,2643.58,{"idx":3376,"utterance_id":3377,"speaker_name":174,"text":3378,"start_s":3379,"end_s":3380,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":3345,"topic_label":3346,"target_id":3381,"target_proposition":3382,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":3383,"indexable":178},475,"98013","con posibilidad de negociar casos específicos, muy distinto del 4x3, que es totalmente absurdo.",2644,2650.64,"19e94ef2-b0df-4af9-9deb-d1bd365b712e","adoptar jornada laboral 5x2","presenta una alternativa más 'amadurecida' con negociación de casos específicos.",{"idx":3385,"utterance_id":3386,"speaker_name":174,"text":3387,"start_s":3388,"end_s":3389,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},476,"98014","Pero, en fin, este asunto vino para quedarse; será discutido y terminará siendo votado en el Congreso.",2651.24,2658.42,{"idx":3391,"utterance_id":3392,"speaker_name":174,"text":3393,"start_s":3394,"end_s":3395,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},477,"98015","Quisiera la opinión de Aldo y luego la de Renan, porque es un asunto que estará en las primeras páginas en los próximos días.",2658.68,2668.44,{"idx":3397,"utterance_id":3398,"speaker_name":174,"text":3399,"start_s":3400,"end_s":3401,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},478,"98016","En realidad, ya fue aprobado por unanimidad en la comisión de la Cámara de Diputados.",2668.5,2672.38,{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":174,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},479,"98017","Pero ahí se trata solo de la constitucionalidad de la materia.",2672.54,2675.16,{"idx":3409,"utterance_id":3410,"speaker_name":174,"text":3411,"start_s":3412,"end_s":3413,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},480,"98018","Pero la tendencia es que este proceso reproduzca esa votación en la comisión de Constitución y Justicia, porque todos los partidos, tanto los del gobierno como los de la oposición, están allí representados.",2675.4,2687.48,{"idx":3415,"utterance_id":3416,"speaker_name":174,"text":3417,"start_s":3418,"end_s":3419,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},481,"98019","Vi la declaración del líder del PL, el diputado Sosten, diciendo que no iba a hacer ningún contrapunto a eso, porque no iba a querer darle discurso al PT y a Lula.",2687.58,2697.08,{"idx":3421,"utterance_id":3422,"speaker_name":174,"text":3423,"start_s":3424,"end_s":3425,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},482,"98020","¿Qué es lo que creo?",2697.68,2698.38,{"idx":3427,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":174,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},483,"98021","Lo que creo es que la discusión esencial del país queda fuera de ese debate.",2698.9,2703.06,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":174,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},484,"98022","¿Cuál es la legislación seguida por los dos países que más crecen o que tienen las economías más fuertes del mundo?",2703.7,2714.38,{"idx":3439,"utterance_id":3440,"speaker_name":174,"text":3441,"start_s":3442,"end_s":3443,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},485,"98023","Debemos mirar.",2714.76,2715.52,{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":174,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},486,"98024","¿Cuál es la norma china?",2715.62,2717.1,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":174,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},487,"98025","¿Cuál es la norma norteamericana?",2717.14,2719.4,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":174,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},488,"98026","¿Cómo se orienta la productividad del trabajo... por una legislación que combine prerrogativas y derechos?",2719.92,2728.5,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":174,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},489,"98027","China es el país que en los últimos diez años más aumentó salarios y más elevó ingresos en el mundo.",2729.12,2735.98,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":174,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},490,"98028","¿Con qué tipo de norma?",2736.78,2738.02,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":174,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},491,"98029","¿Con qué tipo de política?",2738.42,2739.66,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":174,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},492,"98030","Porque el gobierno, en ausencia de una política de crecimiento y desarrollo, adoptó el camino de ofrecer una aspiración común.",2740.08,2749,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":174,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},493,"98031","trabajar de lunes a viernes y descansar el sábado y el domingo.",2752.9,2759.52,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":174,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},494,"98032","Pero hay actividades en la economía que requieren trabajo los fines de semana, turnos los fines de semana.",2759.7,2769.64,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":174,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},495,"98033","Eso tiene que ser incluido.",2769.7,2770.7,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":174,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},496,"98034","Y no es solo en el comercio; es en la industria.",2770.76,2773.38,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":174,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},497,"98035","Todo eso tiene que ser compatibilizado.",2774,2775.94,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":174,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},498,"98036","Pero creo que el gobierno no tiene la idea...",2776.22,2778.66,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":174,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},499,"98037","Pero el Congreso va a poner eso tal y como usted lo planteó aquí.",2778.74,2781.74,{"idx":3529,"utterance_id":3530,"speaker_name":174,"text":3531,"start_s":3532,"end_s":3533,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},500,"98038","Vamos a ver qué va a hacer el Congreso.",2782.18,2784.3,{"idx":3535,"utterance_id":3536,"speaker_name":174,"text":3537,"start_s":3538,"end_s":3539,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},501,"98039","Creo que, en esos casos, el Congreso siempre tiende a adoptar una posición moderadora, una posición de mediación.",2784.58,2793.38,{"idx":3541,"utterance_id":3542,"speaker_name":174,"text":3543,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},502,"98040","Y el gobierno, que no tiene mayoría en el Congreso, por lo general tiende a encontrar un camino de negociación para no sufrir ningún tipo de derrota.",2793.66,2803.42,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":174,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":406,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3552,"target_proposition":3553,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":3554,"indexable":404},503,"98041","Pero creo que es una agenda que no se dirige... a afrontar el problema central y fundamental del país, que es retomar la economía, generar empleo y generar ingresos para la población, especialmente para los más jóvenes.",2803.6,2818.44,"fd7c2e62-b345-4635-8763-ada676af6d1f","ampliar las oportunidades de generación de ingresos para la población","afirma que la agenda debe priorizar retomar la economía y el empleo.",{"idx":3556,"utterance_id":3557,"speaker_name":174,"text":3558,"start_s":3559,"end_s":3560,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},504,"98042","Pero estará en el día a día del Congreso.",2818.48,2820.12,{"idx":3562,"utterance_id":3563,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3564,"start_s":3565,"end_s":3566,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},505,"98043","No sé exactamente si la votación acompañará lo ocurrido en la CCJ.",2822.12,2826.46,{"idx":3568,"utterance_id":3569,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3570,"start_s":3571,"end_s":3572,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":3573,"topic_label":3574,"target_id":3575,"target_proposition":3576,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":3577,"indexable":404},506,"98044","Para mí, hay un vicio de origen en esta historia.",2826.9,2829.52,"processo-legislativo","Proceso legislativo","db9dd5fc-321d-46fd-bb03-6785a71c8f67","aprobar la PEC que altera la jornada de trabajo","afirma que hay 'vício de origem' por ser una PEC.",{"idx":3579,"utterance_id":3580,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3581,"start_s":3582,"end_s":3583,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},507,"98045","¿Y cuál es el vicio de origen?",2829.56,2830.22,{"idx":3585,"utterance_id":3586,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3587,"start_s":3588,"end_s":3589,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":3573,"topic_label":3574,"target_id":3575,"target_proposition":3576,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3590,"indexable":178},508,"98046","El hecho de que sea una PEC.",2830.62,2831.3,"declara explícitamente 'não precisava ser uma PEC'.",{"idx":649,"utterance_id":3592,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3593,"start_s":3594,"end_s":3595,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},"98047","No necesitaba ser una PEC.",2831.66,2832.7,{"idx":3597,"utterance_id":3598,"speaker_name":174,"text":3599,"start_s":3600,"end_s":3601,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},510,"98048","El gobierno es proyecto.",2833,2833.9,{"idx":3603,"utterance_id":3604,"speaker_name":174,"text":3605,"start_s":3606,"end_s":3607,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},511,"98049","Es que lo que pasó en la CCJ es la PEC.",2834.1,2835.98,{"idx":3609,"utterance_id":3610,"speaker_name":174,"text":3611,"start_s":3612,"end_s":3613,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},512,"98050","Fue la PEC, pero el gobierno iba a presentar un proyecto.",2836.1,2839.04,{"idx":3615,"utterance_id":3616,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3617,"start_s":3618,"end_s":3619,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":3573,"topic_label":3574,"target_id":3575,"target_proposition":3576,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":3620,"indexable":178},513,"98051","Como la PEC está avanzando, el espectaculito se está desarrollando en la PEC.",2839.44,2842.24,"critica que 'o showzinho está rodando na PEC', rechazando el instrumento.",{"idx":3622,"utterance_id":3623,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3624,"start_s":3625,"end_s":3626,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},514,"98052","Y me parece que hay una voluntad de los parlamentarios de la izquierda de promoverse discutiendo esto y de los parlamentarios de la derecha de no generar rechazo.",2842.32,2849.66,{"idx":3628,"utterance_id":3629,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3630,"start_s":3631,"end_s":3632,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},515,"98053","Ya es la segunda vez que una agenda querida por la izquierda cuenta con la capitulación de la derecha.",2850.08,2854.32,{"idx":3634,"utterance_id":3635,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3636,"start_s":3637,"end_s":3638,"word_count":382,"indexable":178},516,"98054","El bolsonarismo allí en el PL (Partido Liberal) de la misoginia votó junto con la izquierda y luego se queda señalando con el dedo a todo el mundo y llama a todo el mundo comunista si no apoyas ciegamente a Bolsonaro.",2854.86,2862.02,{"idx":3640,"utterance_id":3641,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3642,"start_s":3643,"end_s":3644,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},517,"98055","Lo que es una cobardía, una capitulación.",2862.36,2863.82,{"idx":3646,"utterance_id":3647,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3648,"start_s":3649,"end_s":3650,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},518,"98056","Incluso combina mucho con Flávio Bolsonaro, que no le gusta ir a programas como este y que dijo públicamente que no pretende mostrar sus propuestas porque eso puede restarle votos.",2864.22,2872.22,{"idx":3652,"utterance_id":3653,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3654,"start_s":3655,"end_s":3656,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},519,"98057","Tengo que decir lo que es impopular.",2873.08,2874.18,{"idx":3658,"utterance_id":3659,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3660,"start_s":3661,"end_s":3662,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":3345,"topic_label":3346,"target_id":3347,"target_proposition":3348,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":3663,"indexable":178},520,"98058","Este proyecto, es una estafa.",2874.92,2877.16,"califica el proyecto como 'picaretagem' y se opone claramente.",{"idx":3665,"utterance_id":3666,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3667,"start_s":3668,"end_s":3669,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":3345,"topic_label":3346,"target_id":3347,"target_proposition":3348,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3670,"indexable":404},521,"98059","Y es una estafa para atrapar especialmente a los trabajadores urbanos que pasan gran parte de su día en el tráfico.",2877.54,2882.48,"dice que el proyecto se aprovecha del sufrimiento de los trabajadores urbanos.",{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},522,"98060","Y es una persona que sale de una periferia y va a trabajar al centro aquí en São Paulo, tarda dos horas.",2883,2886.88,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},523,"98061","Pierde dos horas para ir, dos horas para volver.",2887.2,2888.7,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},524,"98062","Cuando te das cuenta, pierde más de 20 horas a la semana solo en tránsito.",2889.2,2892.22,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},525,"98063","Pierde tiempo para estar con la familia, tiempo para estar con los amigos, tiempo para capacitarse, tiempo para hacer un curso, un entrenamiento.",2892.3,2897.56,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},526,"98064","Esa persona, en la práctica, sufre eso.",2897.86,2899.3,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},527,"98065","Ellos han tomado ese dolor y están intentando volver a tener un tipo de conexión con el trabajador común.",2899.38,2903.2,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},528,"98066","Conexión que perdieron porque pasaron los últimos años solo hablando de 'soy trans o no lo soy, soy mujer o no lo soy'.",2903.52,2909.2,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},529,"98067","Unas discusiones bizantinas que no tienen utilidad práctica alguna para el trabajador.",2909.4,2912.48,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},530,"98068","Y en encuestas, el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) ya encargó sondeos; vieron que están perdiendo a ese trabajador.",2912.76,2916.34,{"idx":3726,"utterance_id":3727,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3728,"start_s":3729,"end_s":3730,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},531,"98069","Entonces sacaron esta agenda simplemente para... volver a crecer en términos electorales con esa población.",2916.38,2921.08,{"idx":3732,"utterance_id":3733,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3734,"start_s":3735,"end_s":3736,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},532,"98070","Concuerdo con Aldo en el aspecto de que tenemos que seguir las legislaciones internacionales que están funcionando, y no solo a los Estados Unidos y a la China.",2921.7,2928.16,{"idx":3738,"utterance_id":3739,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3740,"start_s":3741,"end_s":3742,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},533,"98071","Estamos perdiendo en las cadenas globales de producción espacio frente a Vietnam, frente a la India, y la India está en un acelerado proceso de industrialización.",2928.2,2936.64,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},534,"98072","Y cuando se observan las leyes laborales en todos esos lugares, son mucho más flexibles.",2936.98,2940.92,{"idx":3750,"utterance_id":3751,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3752,"start_s":3753,"end_s":3754,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},535,"98073","Lo que necesito decirle al trabajador brasileño es que usted necesita flexibilidad.",2941.32,2944.2,{"idx":3756,"utterance_id":3757,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3758,"start_s":3759,"end_s":3760,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},536,"98074","para hacer sus contratos y su trabajo, como ocurre en esas otras naciones, en las que el ingreso del trabajador aumenta y el empleo formal aumenta.",2944.64,2950.62,{"idx":3762,"utterance_id":3763,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3764,"start_s":3765,"end_s":3766,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},537,"98075","Aquí el empleo formal disminuye y el ingreso del trabajador está muy ajustado.",2950.96,2954.42,{"idx":3768,"utterance_id":3769,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3770,"start_s":3771,"end_s":3772,"word_count":420,"indexable":178},538,"98076","Y entonces me suena —y eso es lo que vi en algunos estados del Nordeste— que parece que el gobierno quiere más que la persona caiga en la informalidad y luego reciba una bolsa y quede dependiente del Estado.",2955.02,2963.52,{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3776,"start_s":3777,"end_s":3778,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},539,"98077","No creo en eso.",2963.86,2964.7,{"idx":3780,"utterance_id":3781,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3782,"start_s":3783,"end_s":3784,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":3345,"topic_label":3346,"target_id":3785,"target_proposition":3786,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3787,"indexable":404},540,"98078","Defiendo el empleo formal y regímenes, desde el punto de vista de la relación trabajo-empresa, regímenes más flexibles.",2964.98,2972.34,"b0818086-8443-4973-908d-176323d830f1","simplificar leyes laborales y crear un régimen de trabajo por hora para formalizar el mercado laboral","declara 'Eu defendo...regimes mais flexíveis' explícitamente.",{"idx":3789,"utterance_id":3790,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3791,"start_s":3792,"end_s":3793,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},541,"98079","Contratar a una persona, despedir a una persona, no tiene que ser todo ese drama, como no lo es en las naciones desarrolladas y en desarrollo.",2973.5,2979.3,{"idx":3795,"utterance_id":3796,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3797,"start_s":3798,"end_s":3799,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},542,"98080","Pero en Brasil siempre es ese drama.",2979.6,2980.76,{"idx":3801,"utterance_id":3802,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3803,"start_s":3804,"end_s":3805,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},543,"98081","Y entonces siempre que hay un drama, aparece un populista en medio, intentando sacar votos aprovechándose del sufrimiento de la gente.",2981.14,2985.68,{"idx":3807,"utterance_id":3808,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3809,"start_s":3810,"end_s":3811,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},544,"98082","No creo, y a diferencia de la derecha bolsonarista, nos opondremos públicamente al proyecto.",2986,2990.52,{"idx":3813,"utterance_id":3814,"speaker_name":174,"text":3815,"start_s":3816,"end_s":3817,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},545,"98083","Déjenme poner otro tema en la mesa, que está todos los días en los noticieros; además, bromeamos, ¿no?",2990.92,2995.28,{"idx":3819,"utterance_id":3820,"speaker_name":174,"text":3821,"start_s":3822,"end_s":3823,"word_count":351,"indexable":178},546,"98084","Participo en el noticiero Gente, en Rádio Bandeirantes, en Band News TV, que hace algunos años... No hubo edición del noticiero en la que la sigla STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) no haya sido pronunciada.",2995.68,3006.84,{"idx":3825,"utterance_id":3826,"speaker_name":174,"text":3827,"start_s":3828,"end_s":3829,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},547,"98085","Pero si miro atrás, hace 20, 30 años, ¿qué se decía del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",3007.24,3011.62,{"idx":3831,"utterance_id":3832,"speaker_name":174,"text":3833,"start_s":3834,"end_s":3835,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},548,"98086","Nada, nada.",3011.72,3012.48,{"idx":3837,"utterance_id":3838,"speaker_name":174,"text":3839,"start_s":3840,"end_s":3841,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},549,"98087","A veces nadie sabía ni siquiera mencionar al ministro.",3012.66,3014.68,{"idx":3843,"utterance_id":3844,"speaker_name":174,"text":3845,"start_s":3846,"end_s":3847,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},550,"98088","Eso, nada.",3014.72,3015.38,{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":174,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},551,"98089","Quién lo compone, quién le gusta el azul, el amarillo.",3015.72,3019.34,{"idx":3855,"utterance_id":3856,"speaker_name":174,"text":3857,"start_s":3858,"end_s":3859,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},552,"98090","Hoy sabemos todo.",3019.66,3020.68,{"idx":3861,"utterance_id":3862,"speaker_name":174,"text":3863,"start_s":3864,"end_s":3865,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},553,"98091","Quería escuchar, entonces, a los dos precandidatos aquí en Canal Livre sobre esto.",3021.18,3024.42,{"idx":3867,"utterance_id":3868,"speaker_name":174,"text":3869,"start_s":3870,"end_s":3871,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},554,"98092","Papel del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), si ustedes creen que hoy existe algún tipo de disfunción en el equilibrio entre los tres poderes.",3024.88,3030.54,{"idx":3873,"utterance_id":3874,"speaker_name":174,"text":3875,"start_s":3876,"end_s":3877,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},555,"98093","Si ustedes llegan a la presidencia de la República, ¿qué está en manos del Poder Ejecutivo para resolver un problema, si es que existe, según su entender?",3031.54,3041.86,{"idx":3879,"utterance_id":3880,"speaker_name":174,"text":3881,"start_s":3882,"end_s":3883,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},556,"98094","Déjenme empezar con Renan.",3042.32,3043.26,{"idx":3885,"utterance_id":3886,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3887,"start_s":3888,"end_s":3889,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},557,"98095","Bueno, a partir de 2012, cuando se discutían los embargos infringentes, allí la discusión sobre la mención, empezamos a oír hablar del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",3044.06,3050.5,{"idx":3891,"utterance_id":3892,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3893,"start_s":3894,"end_s":3895,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},558,"98096","Y hoy, estamos en 2026, año de Copa, sabemos los 11 del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), pero no sabemos los 11 que estarán en la selección brasileña.",3051.1,3056.56,{"idx":3897,"utterance_id":3898,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3899,"start_s":3900,"end_s":3901,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},559,"98097","Y en realidad Xandão y Neymar son objetos de polémica nacional.",3057.42,3061.22,{"idx":3903,"utterance_id":3904,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3905,"start_s":3906,"end_s":3907,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3908,"target_proposition":3909,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3910,"indexable":404},560,"98098","Pero la verdad es que el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) tiene que volver a su cajita.",3061.44,3064.18,"448bd8a1-a628-4544-8895-293e57aacfaa","limitar la intervención del poder judicial a lo previsto en la Constitución y en la ley","dice 'o Supremo tem que voltar para sua caixinha', pidiendo limitación.",{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3908,"target_proposition":3909,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":3917,"indexable":404},561,"98099","Y la cajita es una cajita en la que trata temas abstractos, ligados a discusiones sobre la constitucionalidad de asuntos, y no como última instancia procesal.",3064.76,3072.7,"explica lo que entiende por 'caixinha' del Supremo sin nueva acción.",{"idx":3919,"utterance_id":3920,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3921,"start_s":3922,"end_s":3923,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},562,"98100","El STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) brasileño recibe como unos 8.000 procesos.",3073.1,3075.62,{"idx":3925,"utterance_id":3926,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3927,"start_s":3928,"end_s":3929,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},563,"98101","La Suprema Corte estadounidense, 50.",3076.32,3077.56,{"idx":3931,"utterance_id":3932,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3933,"start_s":3934,"end_s":3935,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3936,"target_proposition":3937,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":3938,"indexable":404},564,"98102","Y ni siquiera estoy de acuerdo con el modelo de la Suprema Corte estadounidense, que a veces actúa, por decirlo así, como última instancia.",3077.68,3083.1,"562f281f-6d31-4c64-91ac-ad46b057ece7","exigir que el STF imponga y haga cumplir sus decisiones en instancias inferiores del Poder Judicial","dice 'eu nem concordo com o modelo da Suprema Corte Americana'.",{"idx":3940,"utterance_id":3941,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3942,"start_s":3943,"end_s":3944,"word_count":351,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3908,"target_proposition":3909,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":3945,"indexable":404},565,"98103","Creo que nuestro modelo tiene que ser de discusiones que involucren, mira, esto es un derecho fundamental o no, esa ley que pasó, ese derecho... Solo eso.",3083.58,3090.76,"defiende un modelo restringido de competencias del Supremo.",{"idx":3947,"utterance_id":3948,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3949,"start_s":3950,"end_s":3951,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3908,"target_proposition":3909,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":3952,"indexable":404},566,"98104","Actualmente es una bancada de negocios, actualmente es una entidad que cruza todas las líneas posibles, ya sea junto al Legislativo, ya sea junto al Poder Ejecutivo; actualmente es un instrumento autoritario de sus pares y debe ser combatido.",3091.3,3105.48,"critica la actuación actual como 'instrumento autoritário' y pide combatirla.",{"idx":3954,"utterance_id":3955,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3956,"start_s":3957,"end_s":3958,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},567,"98105","Esta semana vimos un espectáculo de horrores del ministro Gilmar Mendes.",3106.02,3108.64,{"idx":3960,"utterance_id":3961,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3962,"start_s":3963,"end_s":3964,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},568,"98106","Y mira, es reputado como el ministro más inteligente allí, estudió en Alemania, habla... Es el decano, es el decano.",3109.14,3114.64,{"idx":3966,"utterance_id":3967,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3968,"start_s":3969,"end_s":3970,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},569,"98107","Está dando vergüenza.",3115.06,3116.18,{"idx":3972,"utterance_id":3973,"speaker_name":174,"text":3974,"start_s":3975,"end_s":3976,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},570,"98108","Ahora le dio un regalo a Romeu Zema, su adversario.",3116.6,3119.76,{"idx":3978,"utterance_id":3979,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3980,"start_s":3981,"end_s":3982,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},571,"98109","Pues sí, Zema hizo un videíto de IA y él enloqueció con el video.",3119.8,3123.4,{"idx":3984,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3986,"start_s":3987,"end_s":3988,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},572,"98110","Eso es una insanidad, lo que le hizo al senador Alessandro Vieira, eso no es normal.",3124.2,3128.32,{"idx":3990,"utterance_id":3991,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3992,"start_s":3993,"end_s":3994,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},573,"98111","Lo mismo con Alexandre de Moraes.",3128.48,3129.84,{"idx":3996,"utterance_id":3997,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3998,"start_s":3999,"end_s":4000,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},574,"98112","Y cuando salen a la luz las cosas indecorosas, las participaciones en el escándalo del Banco Master, se hacen los locos.",3130.18,3135.36,{"idx":4002,"utterance_id":4003,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4004,"start_s":4005,"end_s":4006,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},575,"98113","Alexandre de Moraes, mentira, ese contrato con mi esposa no existió.",3135.88,3138.52,{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},576,"98114","¿Cómo no existió?",3138.58,3139.3,{"idx":4014,"utterance_id":4015,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4016,"start_s":4017,"end_s":4018,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},577,"98115","Luego el Coaf descubre, no, no.",3140,3141.16,{"idx":4020,"utterance_id":4021,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4022,"start_s":4023,"end_s":4024,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},578,"98116","Hubo 80 millones ahí que fueron depositados.",3141.54,3143.26,{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4028,"start_s":4029,"end_s":4030,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},579,"98117","Ah, entonces existió.",3143.74,3144.48,{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4034,"start_s":4035,"end_s":4036,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},580,"98118","Ah, no, yo nunca lo vi.",3144.98,3145.8,{"idx":4038,"utterance_id":4039,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4040,"start_s":4041,"end_s":4042,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},581,"98119","Luego dijeron, no, él estuvo en Trancoso.",3145.92,3147.58,{"idx":4044,"utterance_id":4045,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4046,"start_s":4047,"end_s":4048,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},582,"98120","¡Peligrosísimo estar en Trancoso con un vorcaro en una fiesta, ¿no?!",3148.44,3152.08,{"idx":4050,"utterance_id":4051,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4052,"start_s":4053,"end_s":4054,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},583,"98121","Pero él estuvo en Trancoso.",3152.4,3153.54,{"idx":4056,"utterance_id":4057,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4058,"start_s":4059,"end_s":4060,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},584,"98122","¿Qué tiene que pasar con esas personas?",3154,3155.18,{"idx":4062,"utterance_id":4063,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4064,"start_s":4065,"end_s":4066,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4067,"target_proposition":4068,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4069,"indexable":404},585,"98123","Primero, tiene que llegar un presidente de la república que no tenga rabo preso, como fue el caso de Bolsonaro y como es el caso de Lula, y llegar allí y abordar el tema del impeachment de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y una reforma aquí.",3155.22,3165.18,"91f99995-78b5-4607-a9e5-58c681ef0008","realizar reforma en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","propone la llegada de un presidente sin 'rabo preso' y el impeachment de ministros.",{"idx":4071,"utterance_id":4072,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4073,"start_s":4074,"end_s":4075,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4076,"target_proposition":4077,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4078,"indexable":404},586,"98124","Acabar con las decisiones monocráticas, como sucede en Brasil.",3165.78,3168.02,"24d7e4d8-b958-4da2-94ae-d0b21705d616","limitar las decisiones monocráticas del STF","dice explícitamente 'Acabe com as decisões monocráticas'.",{"idx":4080,"utterance_id":4081,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4082,"start_s":4083,"end_s":4084,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4076,"target_proposition":4077,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":4085,"indexable":404},587,"98125","El 83% de los asuntos que llegan allí se resuelven con decisiones monocráticas.",3168.04,3172.94,"cita una estadística (83%) sobre decisiones monocráticas sin nueva acción.",{"idx":4087,"utterance_id":4088,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4089,"start_s":4090,"end_s":4091,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4092,"target_proposition":4093,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":4094,"indexable":404},588,"98126","Establecer un plazo máximo para las solicitudes de vista que ocurren allí.",3173.52,3177.12,"929af848-76cc-4ff6-a779-5a1907ccd4c8","establecer plazo máximo para pedidos de vista en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","propone 'Estabelecer um prazo máximo para os pedidos de vista'.",{"idx":4096,"utterance_id":4097,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4098,"start_s":4099,"end_s":4100,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4092,"target_proposition":4093,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":4101,"indexable":178},589,"98127","Prohibir de manera perentoria.",3177.52,3179,"dice 'Proibir de maneira perentória' tras sugerir plazo.",{"idx":4103,"utterance_id":4104,"speaker_name":174,"text":4105,"start_s":4106,"end_s":4107,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4092,"target_proposition":4093,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":4108,"indexable":404},590,"98128","Ese plazo ya existe, son 80 días ahora.",3179.48,3181.66,"informa que ya existe un plazo actual de 80 días.",{"idx":4110,"utterance_id":4111,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4112,"start_s":4113,"end_s":4114,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4092,"target_proposition":4093,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":4115,"indexable":178},591,"98129","Pero el problema es que no se cumplen y quien debería fiscalizarlos no fiscaliza, que son ellos mismos; esas son las locuras que ocurren.",3181.72,3188.8,"señala el incumplimiento de las reglas y la falta de fiscalización.",{"idx":4117,"utterance_id":4118,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4119,"start_s":4120,"end_s":4121,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":4122,"topic_label":4123,"target_id":4124,"target_proposition":4125,"stance":1102,"stance_confidence":4126,"rationale":4127,"indexable":178},592,"98130","Otra cosa, los despachos de abogados vinculados a parientes.",3189.8,3192.88,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ética y integridad pública","e6ef5158-ae86-4a13-9b06-c26e61ca5446","establecer un código de conducta para ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) incluyendo la prohibición de despachos vinculados a familiares",0.45,"menciona bufetes ligados a parientes sin proponer acción explícita.",{"idx":4129,"utterance_id":4130,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4131,"start_s":4132,"end_s":4133,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":4134,"topic_label":4135,"target_id":4136,"target_proposition":4137,"stance":1102,"stance_confidence":1425,"rationale":4138,"indexable":178},593,"98131","Otra cosa... El llamado fuero privilegiado.",3193.58,3196.16,"foro-privilegiado-corte-especial-para-parlamentares","Fuero privilegiado \u002F corte especial","b41fb6c9-19a6-49f4-9272-dfea3bb0c223","crear una corte especial para juzgar a diputados y senadores","señala el tema 'foro privilegiado' sin detallar propuesta.",{"idx":4140,"utterance_id":4141,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4142,"start_s":4143,"end_s":4144,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},594,"98132","El código de conducta.",3196.2,3197.26,{"idx":4146,"utterance_id":4147,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4148,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},595,"98133","Es que es una discusión que está ocurriendo allí.",3197.3,3198.46,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":4122,"topic_label":4123,"target_id":4124,"target_proposition":4125,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4157,"indexable":404},596,"98134","Creo que el código de conducta es esencial y esto incluye también la imposibilidad de despachos de abogados vinculados a familiares.",3198.52,3203.94,"dice 'acho essencial' y propone la imposibilidad para familiares.",{"idx":4159,"utterance_id":4160,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4161,"start_s":4162,"end_s":4163,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},597,"98135","El otro punto que creo que también es importante.",3204.22,3205.78,{"idx":4165,"utterance_id":4166,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4167,"start_s":4168,"end_s":4169,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":4134,"topic_label":4135,"target_id":4136,"target_proposition":4137,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":4170,"indexable":404},598,"98136","Que no sea la corte que se ocupa de ese fuero privilegiado.",3206.66,3209.2,"afirma que la corte actual no debe encargarse del foro y critica su competencia.",{"idx":4172,"utterance_id":4173,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4174,"start_s":4175,"end_s":4176,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":4177,"topic_label":4178,"target_id":4179,"target_proposition":4180,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":4181,"indexable":178},599,"98137","Hoy, seamos honestos, los diputados y senadores no hablan del asunto y no van a tocar el impeachment de un ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",3209.62,3214.98,"investigacao-e-responsabilizacao-judicial","Investigación y responsabilización judicial","5959294f-f900-447b-830e-87ca3bb6d207","promover el impeachment de magistrados del STF","afirma que diputados y senadores 'não vão tocar impeachment' (descripción).",{"idx":4183,"utterance_id":4184,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4185,"start_s":4186,"end_s":4187,"word_count":303,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4188,"target_proposition":4189,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":4190,"indexable":178},600,"98138","Además, Flávio Bolsonaro no va a tocar eso porque está comprometido con Gilmar Mendes y con Dias Toffoli.",3215.42,3219.52,"8d8a7645-160a-4260-b5f8-626a9e713f23","investigar sospechas que involucren a ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","alega 'rabo preso' entre parlamentares y ministros sin proponer acción.",{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},601,"98139","les debe favores.",3219.56,3220.46,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},602,"98140","Porque todos están en manos de esos tipos.",3221.1,3222.86,{"idx":4204,"utterance_id":4205,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4206,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4211,"target_proposition":4212,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":624,"rationale":4213,"indexable":404},603,"98141","Necesitamos crear una corte específica que se ocupe específicamente de esos casos.",3222.9,3226.32,"reforma-do-judiciario-stf","Reforma judicial \u002F STF","a3022516-e07d-48f7-987d-8f3d7b6732b9","crear una corte especial para juzgar a diputados y senadores (casos de fuero privilegiado)","dice explícitamente 'Precisamos criar uma corte específica'.",{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":471,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":4220,"target_proposition":4221,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":4222,"indexable":404},604,"98142","Y además hay otro tema, que también le preocupa al ministro Aldo, que es el caso de las ONG que hacen lobby junto a—digamos los nombres—con redes de sostenibilidad, con PSOL, que llegan allí y están frenando obras, deteniendo proyectos que se están aprobando.",3226.62,3237.38,"d12d9094-a74e-4156-8b63-e9fee530855b","regular la actuación de ONGs en procesos de licenciamiento ambiental","afirma que las ONG 'brecam obras' y hacen lobby; describe el problema.",{"idx":4224,"utterance_id":4225,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4226,"start_s":4227,"end_s":4228,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},605,"98143","Lo verán, pueden esperar.",3237.64,3239.42,{"idx":4230,"utterance_id":4231,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4232,"start_s":4233,"end_s":4234,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":4235,"target_proposition":4236,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":4237,"indexable":178},606,"98144","El intento de sabotaje es el licenciamiento ambiental que veremos en los próximos meses.",3239.76,3242.86,"8d7b64b0-5b92-4dea-bfbb-6f7639d7eb0a","evitar la judicialización del licenciamiento ambiental","afirma que hay un intento de sabotaje al licenciamiento ambiental.",{"idx":4239,"utterance_id":4240,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4241,"start_s":4242,"end_s":4243,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":4235,"target_proposition":4236,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":4244,"indexable":178},607,"98145","Intentarán sabotear el licenciamiento ambiental, que va a permitir que un montón de obras avancen en Brasil, simplemente porque sí.",3243.12,3247.78,"repite que intentarán sabotear el licenciamiento para frenar las obras.",{"idx":4246,"utterance_id":4247,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4248,"start_s":4249,"end_s":4250,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":4251,"target_proposition":4252,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":4253,"indexable":178},608,"98146","Porque hay una agenda internacional financiada por ONG dirigidas y financiadas por nuestros competidores internacionales que intentarán usar al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) para sabotear al país.",3248.16,3254.48,"36f1a790-49e7-4939-b4eb-34e6f4f939d6","impedir el financiamiento extranjero de ONGs que interfieran en el licenciamiento ambiental","alega financiamiento internacional de ONGs para usar al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) contra obras.",{"idx":4255,"utterance_id":4256,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4257,"start_s":4258,"end_s":4259,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},609,"98147","No podemos permitirlo.",3254.84,3255.56,{"idx":4261,"utterance_id":4262,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4263,"start_s":4264,"end_s":4265,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":425,"topic_label":426,"target_id":4235,"target_proposition":4236,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4266,"indexable":178},610,"98148","Yo, como presidente de la República, no lo permitiré.",3255.9,3257.6,"promete 'Eu, como presidente, não deixarei' (compromiso ejecutivo).",{"idx":4268,"utterance_id":4269,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4270,"start_s":4271,"end_s":4272,"word_count":357,"topic_slug":4273,"topic_label":4274,"target_id":4275,"target_proposition":4276,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":4277,"indexable":404},611,"98149","Y tenemos que tener, por así decir, una política que empodere ahora al Ejecutivo, porque la gente vota al presidente de la República, y que vuelva a colocar al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) en sus funciones naturales.",3257.98,3266,"separacao-de-poderes","Separación de poderes","17afdb6f-45a0-4564-ba9f-2245fe799c4c","permitir que el Ejecutivo y el Congreso Nacional regulen límites a la actuación del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","pide 'política que empodere o Executivo' y que se recoloque el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":4279,"utterance_id":4280,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4281,"start_s":4282,"end_s":4283,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4284,"topic_label":4285,"target_id":4286,"target_proposition":4287,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":4288,"indexable":404},612,"98150","También el Legislativo, y por eso pido a la gente que vote bien este año: no debe haber payasos, tiene que haber personas valientes e íntegras para tratar este asunto de manera inteligente.",3266.64,3275.34,"democracia-e-representacao","Democracia y representación","587e7b7c-c5fa-4136-936b-121058170974","elegir senadores y diputados mejores","exhorta a la población a 'votar direito este ano' por candidatos probos.",{"idx":4290,"utterance_id":4291,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4292,"start_s":4293,"end_s":4294,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":4284,"topic_label":4285,"target_id":4286,"target_proposition":4287,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":4295,"indexable":404},613,"98151","Eso es lo que clamo al pueblo brasileño.",3275.8,3277.38,"clama a la población para votar por personas probas.",{"idx":4297,"utterance_id":4298,"speaker_name":174,"text":4299,"start_s":4300,"end_s":4301,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":4304,"target_proposition":4305,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":4306,"indexable":178},614,"98152","Ahora bien, hay una cuestión fundamental, que es la reforma política.",3277.42,3281.32,"reforma-politica","Reforma política","e25a7b17-9100-4c3e-9418-7d7515b6d50f","promover reforma política para modernizar el sistema político","introduce el tema 'reforma política' sin detallar la posición.",{"idx":4308,"utterance_id":4309,"speaker_name":174,"text":4310,"start_s":4311,"end_s":4312,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},615,"98153","Nuestra representación política en Brasil está completamente equivocada.",3282.22,3285.68,{"idx":4314,"utterance_id":4315,"speaker_name":174,"text":4316,"start_s":4317,"end_s":4318,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},616,"98154","No representa lo que debería representar.",3285.74,3288.16,{"idx":4320,"utterance_id":4321,"speaker_name":174,"text":4322,"start_s":4323,"end_s":4324,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":4325,"target_proposition":4326,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4327,"indexable":404},617,"98155","Hay algunos proyectos muy buenos que están ahí perdidos, proponiendo voto distrital, sistema mixto, como en Alemania, proponiendo voto en lista.",3289.52,3298.12,"1d573ffd-53bf-4550-9b89-b632f07512f0","implementar voto distrital mixto (sistema mixto)","propone 'sistema misto, como na Alemanha' explícitamente.",{"idx":4329,"utterance_id":4330,"speaker_name":174,"text":4331,"start_s":4332,"end_s":4333,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":4325,"target_proposition":4326,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4334,"indexable":178},618,"98156","Eso debería volver ahora.",3298.64,3300.34,"afirma 'Isso deve voltar agora' refiriéndose al sistema mixto.",{"idx":4336,"utterance_id":4337,"speaker_name":174,"text":4338,"start_s":4339,"end_s":4340,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},619,"98157","Quisiera saber su opinión.",3300.78,3302.22,{"idx":4342,"utterance_id":4343,"speaker_name":174,"text":4344,"start_s":4345,"end_s":4346,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},620,"98158","¿Voto distrital, sí?",3302.86,3304.18,{"idx":4348,"utterance_id":4349,"speaker_name":174,"text":4350,"start_s":4351,"end_s":4352,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},621,"98159","¿No va?",3304.54,3304.92,{"idx":4354,"utterance_id":4355,"speaker_name":174,"text":4356,"start_s":4357,"end_s":4358,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},622,"98160","¿El voto actual funciona?",3305.32,3307.26,{"idx":4360,"utterance_id":4361,"speaker_name":174,"text":4362,"start_s":4363,"end_s":4364,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":4365,"target_proposition":4366,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":4367,"indexable":178},623,"98161","Claro que no funciona.",3307.34,3308.28,"e15754b0-6e0e-4590-9f74-58e0838cce47","reformar el sistema electoral actual","afirma 'Claro que não funciona' sobre el voto actual, pidiendo un cambio.",{"idx":4369,"utterance_id":4370,"speaker_name":174,"text":4371,"start_s":4372,"end_s":4373,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},624,"98162","¿Están de acuerdo con eso?",3308.4,3309.58,{"idx":4375,"utterance_id":4376,"speaker_name":174,"text":4377,"start_s":4378,"end_s":4379,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":4380,"target_proposition":4381,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":4382,"indexable":404},625,"98163","Y luego también hablaremos del cambio total de la relación entre Ejecutivo y Legislativo.",3310,3314.16,"c8415808-841d-40bf-aa1f-8fbeb06aca9d","alterar la relación entre Ejecutivo y Legislativo","propone 'mudança total da relação executiva e legislativa'.",{"idx":4384,"utterance_id":4385,"speaker_name":174,"text":4386,"start_s":4387,"end_s":4388,"word_count":345,"indexable":178},626,"98164","Pero déjenme también escuchar a... Si no, Aldo... No va a perder esta oportunidad de hablar sobre el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y su enmienda sobre el modelo político brasileño.",3314.2,3323,{"idx":4390,"utterance_id":4391,"speaker_name":174,"text":4392,"start_s":4393,"end_s":4394,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},627,"98165","Escuchar también a Aldo sobre el STF y su papel.",3323.04,3325.58,{"idx":4396,"utterance_id":4397,"speaker_name":174,"text":4398,"start_s":4399,"end_s":4400,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":4273,"topic_label":4274,"target_id":4401,"target_proposition":4402,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":4403,"indexable":404},628,"98166","El problema es que vivimos en el país un proceso de inseguridad jurídica que se ha convertido en inseguridad institucional.",3325.78,3334.98,"034c2b0c-5f01-4235-86c3-94078f38ea56","reducir la inseguridad jurídica e institucional causada por decisiones judiciales","describe la existencia de inseguridad jurídica y institucional.",{"idx":4405,"utterance_id":4406,"speaker_name":174,"text":4407,"start_s":4408,"end_s":4409,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4410,"target_proposition":4411,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4412,"indexable":404},629,"98167","La inseguridad institucional se debe a que no hay límite en la relación entre los poderes, ya que el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) se ha convertido en el poder de los poderes.",3335.92,3345.16,"6e4ff132-cd19-4030-9ac2-70e46fb0b34a","limitar los poderes del STF","afirma que el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) 'subtrai atribuições' y debe ser limitado.",{"idx":4414,"utterance_id":4415,"speaker_name":174,"text":4416,"start_s":4417,"end_s":4418,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},630,"98168","Le quita atribuciones al Ejecutivo, le quita atribuciones al Legislativo.",3345.7,3350.92,{"idx":4420,"utterance_id":4421,"speaker_name":174,"text":4422,"start_s":4423,"end_s":4424,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},631,"98169","Y lo que puedo decir, en resumen, es lo siguiente.",3351.62,3353.4,{"idx":4426,"utterance_id":4427,"speaker_name":174,"text":4428,"start_s":4429,"end_s":4430,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},632,"98170","Con esta circunstancia, con este STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), Brasil es ingobernable.",3353.6,3356.7,{"idx":4432,"utterance_id":4433,"speaker_name":174,"text":4434,"start_s":4435,"end_s":4436,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},633,"98171","El presidente Lula va a nombrar ahora, si llega a nombrar al doctor Messias, al undécimo ministro del STF de sus gobiernos.",3357.28,3363.1,{"idx":4438,"utterance_id":4439,"speaker_name":174,"text":4440,"start_s":4441,"end_s":4442,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},634,"98172","Con otros cinco que fueron nombrados por la presidenta Dilma, son 16 ministros del STF del mismo grupo político.",3363.58,3370.38,{"idx":4444,"utterance_id":4445,"speaker_name":174,"text":4446,"start_s":4447,"end_s":4448,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},635,"98173","Cualquier presidente de la República que intente confrontar esa orientación, el PSOL, una ONG, entra al STF y la decisión es revocada.",3370.78,3380.56,{"idx":4450,"utterance_id":4451,"speaker_name":174,"text":4452,"start_s":4453,"end_s":4454,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},636,"98174","¿Cómo suspendieron la ferrogrão?",3380.9,3382.26,{"idx":4456,"utterance_id":4457,"speaker_name":174,"text":4458,"start_s":4459,"end_s":4460,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},637,"98175","La ferrogrão es una acción de una ONG con un partido poco representativo y el Ministerio Público.",3382.56,3387.24,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4462,"speaker_name":174,"text":4463,"start_s":4464,"end_s":4465,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4410,"target_proposition":4411,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4466,"indexable":404},"98176","Entonces, o confrontas, y confrontas —no con bravatas, no con amenazas—, confrontas institucionalmente esa relación.",3387.8,3396.38,"defiende 'confrontar institucionalmente' la relación entre poderes.",{"idx":4468,"utterance_id":4469,"speaker_name":174,"text":4470,"start_s":4471,"end_s":4472,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},639,"98177","Si no, nadie va a gobernar Brasil.",3396.78,3398.42,{"idx":4474,"utterance_id":4475,"speaker_name":174,"text":4476,"start_s":4477,"end_s":4478,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},640,"98178","Y hay que hacer eso el 1.º de enero.",3398.56,3401.78,{"idx":4480,"utterance_id":4481,"speaker_name":174,"text":4482,"start_s":4483,"end_s":4484,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},641,"98179","Esto es inaplazable.",3401.86,3403.02,{"idx":4486,"utterance_id":4487,"speaker_name":174,"text":4488,"start_s":4489,"end_s":4490,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4491,"target_proposition":4492,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4493,"indexable":404},642,"98180","Porque si usted no remueve esa actuación de un STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que se considera por encima de la Constitución, si un presidente de la República no llega un día y dice lo siguiente: estoy impedido de acatar esta decisión del STF porque viola la Constitución.",3403.48,3420.58,"c74f2fd2-6386-44d6-976f-10a69a0c938c","rechazar acatar decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que violen la Constitución","propone que el presidente declare impedimento para cumplir una decisión judicial.",{"idx":4495,"utterance_id":4496,"speaker_name":174,"text":4497,"start_s":4498,"end_s":4499,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},643,"98181","Porque la idea que se creó es que... el Ejecutivo y el Legislativo están sometidos a la Constitución y el STF es la Constitución.",3420.9,3428.76,{"idx":4501,"utterance_id":4502,"speaker_name":174,"text":4503,"start_s":4504,"end_s":4505,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},644,"98182","No, el STF está tan sometido a la Constitución como el Ejecutivo y el Legislativo.",3428.94,3436.22,{"idx":4507,"utterance_id":4508,"speaker_name":174,"text":4509,"start_s":4510,"end_s":4511,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},645,"98183","Pero esa idea no es la que prevalece en Brasil.",3436.76,3438.88,{"idx":4513,"utterance_id":4514,"speaker_name":174,"text":4515,"start_s":4516,"end_s":4517,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},646,"98184","Entonces, el primer paso es confrontar esta situación.",3439.04,3442.12,{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":174,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},647,"98185","Hay una gravedad en esto, ¿no, ministro?",3442.66,3444.16,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":174,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},648,"98186","¿Cree que, en algunos casos, el Ejecutivo podría confrontar decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",3444.2,3448.62,{"idx":4531,"utterance_id":4532,"speaker_name":174,"text":2723,"start_s":4533,"end_s":4534,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},649,"98187",3448.66,3449.24,{"idx":4536,"utterance_id":4537,"speaker_name":174,"text":4538,"start_s":4539,"end_s":4540,"word_count":177,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4491,"target_proposition":4492,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4541,"indexable":178},650,"98188","Y debe hacerlo.",3449.32,3450.42,"responde 'E deve fazer isso' respecto a confrontar decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":4543,"utterance_id":4544,"speaker_name":174,"text":4545,"start_s":4546,"end_s":4547,"word_count":198,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4548,"target_proposition":4549,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":4550,"indexable":404},651,"98189","El ministro del STF le dice al presidente de la República que no puede nombrar a fulano de tal para el ministerio, como sucedió con la presidenta Dilma, como sucedió con el presidente Michel Temer, o como sucedió con el presidente Bolsonaro en el caso del delegado.",3451.3,3464.62,"5b1df743-a19a-4327-b6f2-b5dc0240a9b7","rechazar obedecer decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que restrinjan nombramientos presidenciales","afirma 'não tem por que obedecer' a las decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) sobre nombramientos.",{"idx":4552,"utterance_id":4553,"speaker_name":174,"text":4554,"start_s":4555,"end_s":4556,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},652,"98190","No tiene por qué obedecer a una decisión así.",3464.98,3467.04,{"idx":4558,"utterance_id":4559,"speaker_name":174,"text":4560,"start_s":4561,"end_s":4562,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},653,"98191","Es inconstitucional.",3467.34,3468.54,{"idx":4564,"utterance_id":4565,"speaker_name":174,"text":4566,"start_s":4567,"end_s":4568,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},654,"98192","La Constitución determina que nombrar ministros es una atribución del presidente de la República.",3468.96,3473.92,{"idx":4570,"utterance_id":4571,"speaker_name":174,"text":4572,"start_s":4573,"end_s":4574,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},655,"98193","Si va a nombrar al ministro, aunque sea problemático, ciertamente responderá por ello.",3474.16,3478.46,{"idx":4576,"utterance_id":4577,"speaker_name":174,"text":4578,"start_s":4579,"end_s":4580,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},656,"98194","Esa decisión no corresponde al STF.",3479.02,3480.5,{"idx":4582,"utterance_id":4583,"speaker_name":174,"text":4584,"start_s":4585,"end_s":4586,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},657,"98195","Desgraciadamente, es lo que ha venido ocurriendo.",3480.64,3482.02,{"idx":4588,"utterance_id":4589,"speaker_name":174,"text":4590,"start_s":4591,"end_s":4592,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":4593,"topic_label":4594,"target_id":4595,"target_proposition":4596,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":4597,"indexable":404},658,"98196","El STF tomó una decisión sobre el marco temporal, confrontando la propia Constitución, que está en el artículo, creo que el 231, diciendo que ese marco temporal existe.",3482.54,3493.08,"desmatamento-amazonia-e-politicas-indigenas","Amazonía y políticas indígenas","6babc1df-ff56-4b0f-9850-94db316056af","resolver conflictos entre decisiones del STF y del Congreso Nacional sobre marco temporal","describe conflicto entre decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y del Congreso Nacional.",{"idx":4599,"utterance_id":4600,"speaker_name":174,"text":4601,"start_s":4602,"end_s":4603,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},659,"98197","El Congreso Nacional tomó otra decisión reafirmando el marco temporal.",3494.98,3498.14,{"idx":4605,"utterance_id":4606,"speaker_name":174,"text":4607,"start_s":4608,"end_s":4609,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},660,"98198","El STF toma otra decisión diciendo que no existe y usted tiene en el país... dos decisiones conflictivas de dos poderes distintos sobre la misma materia.",3498.32,3511.54,{"idx":4611,"utterance_id":4612,"speaker_name":174,"text":4613,"start_s":4614,"end_s":4615,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},661,"98199","Eso es una especie de anarquía institucional.",3512.08,3514.78,{"idx":4617,"utterance_id":4618,"speaker_name":174,"text":4619,"start_s":4620,"end_s":4621,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},662,"98200","Esto tiene que ser enfrentado y resuelto.",3514.82,3516.76,{"idx":4623,"utterance_id":4624,"speaker_name":174,"text":4625,"start_s":4626,"end_s":4627,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4628,"target_proposition":4629,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":4630,"indexable":404},663,"98201","Porque si no empieza por el STF, usted decide decir lo siguiente: el Ministerio Público ya no puede perseguir al inversor.",3516.84,3526.28,"1f58c766-a7fd-4222-aa7b-e555b98c3970","restringir la actuación del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) a cuestiones estrictamente constitucionales y implementar reformas internas (incluido código de ética)","advierte que sin confrontación el Ministerio Público (MP), Ibama y Funai serán limitados por el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":4632,"utterance_id":4633,"speaker_name":174,"text":4634,"start_s":4635,"end_s":4636,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},664,"98202","Ya no puede perseguir más, como lo hace hoy.",3526.6,3528,{"idx":4638,"utterance_id":4639,"speaker_name":174,"text":4640,"start_s":4641,"end_s":4642,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},665,"98203","El STF dirá que no puede.",3528.8,3529.88,{"idx":4644,"utterance_id":4645,"speaker_name":174,"text":4646,"start_s":4647,"end_s":4648,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},666,"98204","El Ibama ya no puede demarcar unidades de conservación.",3531.06,3533.44,{"idx":4650,"utterance_id":4651,"speaker_name":174,"text":4652,"start_s":4653,"end_s":4654,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},667,"98205","El STF dirá que sí puede.",3533.48,3534.46,{"idx":4656,"utterance_id":4657,"speaker_name":174,"text":4658,"start_s":4659,"end_s":4660,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},668,"98206","La FUNAI ya no puede demarcar más tierras indígenas donde no hay indígenas, como ha ocurrido.",3535.88,3539.98,{"idx":4662,"utterance_id":4663,"speaker_name":174,"text":4652,"start_s":4664,"end_s":4665,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},669,"98207",3541.1,3542.1,{"idx":4667,"utterance_id":4668,"speaker_name":174,"text":4669,"start_s":4670,"end_s":4671,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},670,"98208","Entonces tiene que enfrentar, en primer lugar, a esa corporación del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",3542.22,3546,{"idx":4673,"utterance_id":4674,"speaker_name":174,"text":4675,"start_s":4676,"end_s":4677,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},671,"98209","¿Pero usted predica el enfrentamiento puro y simple o un cambio legislativo?",3546.24,3550.88,{"idx":4679,"utterance_id":4680,"speaker_name":174,"text":4681,"start_s":4682,"end_s":4683,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},672,"98210","Eso es, quiero decir, el STF toma una decisión y el presidente de la República dice que no la cumple.",3551.62,3555.56,{"idx":4685,"utterance_id":4686,"speaker_name":174,"text":4687,"start_s":4688,"end_s":4689,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},673,"98211","Ahí es el enfrentamiento.",3555.98,3556.8,{"idx":4691,"utterance_id":4692,"speaker_name":174,"text":4693,"start_s":4694,"end_s":4695,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},674,"98212","¿Cómo sería preparar el camino para poder tomar esa actitud sin que sea un enfrentamiento institucional?",3557.24,3563.86,{"idx":4697,"utterance_id":4698,"speaker_name":174,"text":4699,"start_s":4700,"end_s":4701,"word_count":669,"indexable":178},675,"98213","El STF va a retroceder de su poder de mando sobre el país y decidir en lugar del presidente de la República; ahora mismo, el gobierno está quebrado, porque el país se quebró, no va a quebrar en 2027, se quebró ahora; el gobierno no tiene dinero para las universidades, hay 50 universidades en huelga, no tiene dinero para poner a volar un avión de la FAB, no tiene dinero para poner en funcionamiento a las agencias, Brasil está sufriendo un apagón.",3564.38,3590.56,{"idx":4703,"utterance_id":4704,"speaker_name":174,"text":4705,"start_s":4706,"end_s":4707,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},676,"98214","¿Qué hace el gobierno?",3590.6,3591.5,{"idx":4709,"utterance_id":4710,"speaker_name":174,"text":4711,"start_s":4712,"end_s":4713,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},677,"98215","Contingenciamiento de los recursos.",3591.9,3593.34,{"idx":4715,"utterance_id":4716,"speaker_name":174,"text":4717,"start_s":4718,"end_s":4719,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},678,"98216","Entonces llegó un ministro y dijo: no, se puede contingenciar todo menos el dinero del Ministerio Público.",3593.94,3597.72,{"idx":4721,"utterance_id":4722,"speaker_name":174,"text":4723,"start_s":4724,"end_s":4725,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},679,"98217","Entonces el Ministerio Público es más importante que la salud, la educación, el transporte, la vivienda, la seguridad, la defensa.",3598.06,3602.46,{"idx":4727,"utterance_id":4728,"speaker_name":174,"text":4729,"start_s":4730,"end_s":4731,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},680,"98218","Entonces llegó otro ministro y dijo: está bien, pero tampoco se pueden contingenciar los recursos del área de medio ambiente, los recursos del Ministerio del Medio Ambiente.",3603.02,3609.44,{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":174,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},681,"98219","Eso es una decisión del Ejecutivo.",3610.08,3611.86,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":174,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},682,"98220","La distribución de los recursos, una vez votados en el Congreso Nacional en el presupuesto, corresponde al poder ejecutivo, no al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",3612.8,3620.6,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":174,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},683,"98221","El presidente de la República tiene que afrontar esta situación.",3620.64,3623.36,{"idx":4751,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":174,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":4209,"topic_label":4210,"target_id":4410,"target_proposition":4411,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":4756,"indexable":404},684,"98222","Y en lugar de esa parálisis, de esa anarquía institucional, muchas veces es mejor el enfrentamiento de verdad.",3624.16,3630.44,"declara explícitamente 'é melhor o confronto mesmo'.",{"idx":4758,"utterance_id":4759,"speaker_name":174,"text":4760,"start_s":4761,"end_s":4762,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},685,"98223","Y veremos qué sucede.",3630.58,3631.68,{"idx":4764,"utterance_id":4765,"speaker_name":174,"text":683,"start_s":4766,"end_s":4767,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},686,"98224",3631.98,3632.26,{"idx":4769,"utterance_id":4770,"speaker_name":174,"text":4771,"start_s":4772,"end_s":4773,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},687,"98225","Porque esto es lo que le está pasando al país.",3632.44,3635.1,{"idx":4775,"utterance_id":4776,"speaker_name":174,"text":4777,"start_s":4778,"end_s":4779,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},688,"98226","Eso es lo que no... Puede continuar.",3635.54,3638.4,{"idx":4781,"utterance_id":4782,"speaker_name":174,"text":4783,"start_s":4784,"end_s":4785,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},689,"98227","El STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) es una institución importante, pero se ha transformado en una institución absolutamente protagonista de todo.",3638.54,3645.34,{"idx":4787,"utterance_id":4788,"speaker_name":174,"text":4789,"start_s":4790,"end_s":4791,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},690,"98228","Hice campaña por la amnistía, por una constituyente, por libertades democráticas.",3645.68,3650.98,{"idx":4793,"utterance_id":4794,"speaker_name":174,"text":4795,"start_s":4796,"end_s":4797,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},691,"98229","Yo no sabía el nombre del ministro del STF.",3651.58,3653.42,{"idx":4799,"utterance_id":4800,"speaker_name":174,"text":4801,"start_s":4802,"end_s":4803,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},692,"98230","La amnistía de 79 fue negociada entre el gobierno del presidente Figueiredo y el Congreso Nacional, con el país movilizándose, comités de la amnistía, movilizaciones.",3654.16,3664.48,{"idx":4805,"utterance_id":4806,"speaker_name":174,"text":4807,"start_s":4808,"end_s":4809,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},693,"98231","No vi a ningún ministro del STF pronunciarse sobre eso.",3665.22,3668.66,{"idx":4811,"utterance_id":4812,"speaker_name":174,"text":4813,"start_s":4814,"end_s":4815,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},694,"98232","Eso fue cosa de la política, del Congreso Nacional, del gobierno.",3668.7,3671.38,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4817,"speaker_name":174,"text":4818,"start_s":4819,"end_s":4820,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},"98233","Ahora no.",3671.78,3672.14,{"idx":4822,"utterance_id":4823,"speaker_name":174,"text":4824,"start_s":4825,"end_s":4826,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},696,"98234","El STF quiere decidir sobre todo, entrometerse en todo.",3672.18,3674.94,{"idx":4828,"utterance_id":4829,"speaker_name":174,"text":4830,"start_s":4831,"end_s":4832,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},697,"98235","Y eso genera la inseguridad institucional.",3675.4,3678.3,{"idx":4834,"utterance_id":4835,"speaker_name":174,"text":4836,"start_s":4837,"end_s":4838,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4122,"topic_label":4123,"target_id":4839,"target_proposition":4840,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":4841,"indexable":178},698,"98236","Ministro, hoy no sólo sabemos el nombre del ministro del STF, sino también el nombre de la esposa del ministro del STF, el nombre del resort de la familia del ministro del STF.",3678.96,3688.5,"ee367b8f-b68a-4ad2-94fe-faa7d61de0f5","investigar conflictos de interés y relaciones personales de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","señala la exposición de nombres y relaciones personales de los ministros.",{"idx":4843,"utterance_id":4844,"speaker_name":174,"text":4845,"start_s":4846,"end_s":4847,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},699,"98237","Y ahí vamos, ¿no?",3688.54,3689.14,{"idx":4849,"utterance_id":4850,"speaker_name":174,"text":4851,"start_s":4852,"end_s":4853,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},700,"98238","Y eso genera algo muy grave, para concluir, que es lo siguiente: la separación entre el poder y la autoridad.",3689.82,3697.06,{"idx":4855,"utterance_id":4856,"speaker_name":174,"text":4857,"start_s":4858,"end_s":4859,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},701,"98239","El poder es concedido por una norma; la Constitución concede poder al ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), al presidente de la República, al diputado.",3697.42,3703.94,{"idx":4861,"utterance_id":4862,"speaker_name":174,"text":4863,"start_s":4864,"end_s":4865,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},702,"98240","al gobernador.",3704.2,3704.82,{"idx":4867,"utterance_id":4868,"speaker_name":174,"text":4869,"start_s":4870,"end_s":4871,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},703,"98241","La autoridad se concede por una biografía, por un tipo de comportamiento.",3705.26,3709.9,{"idx":4873,"utterance_id":4874,"speaker_name":174,"text":4875,"start_s":4876,"end_s":4877,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},704,"98242","Y nosotros, en Brasil, estamos asistiendo al poder yendo por un lado, mantenido por la norma, por la ley, por la Constitución, pero la autoridad se está desvaneciendo.",3710.62,3722.26,{"idx":4879,"utterance_id":4880,"speaker_name":174,"text":4881,"start_s":4882,"end_s":4883,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},705,"98243","Principalmente...",3722.62,3723.3,{"idx":4885,"utterance_id":4886,"speaker_name":174,"text":4887,"start_s":4888,"end_s":4889,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},706,"98244","Déjame... Sí,",3724.76,3726.7,{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":174,"text":4893,"start_s":4894,"end_s":4895,"word_count":516,"indexable":178},707,"98245","solo para equilibrar la cuestión del tiempo, voy a pedir sólo a Renan que responda la cuestión de la reforma política, si usted entiende que el voto distrital puede ser un camino o no, y entonces yo voy contigo en esa respuesta y luego lo encaminamos, porque necesito equilibrar el tiempo aquí.",3726.86,3739.86,{"idx":851,"utterance_id":4897,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4898,"start_s":4899,"end_s":4900,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},"98246","No, no, perfecto.",3739.9,3740.32,{"idx":4902,"utterance_id":4903,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4904,"start_s":4905,"end_s":4906,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},709,"98247","¿Puedo incluso dar un apunte, poner un caso claro sobre lo que estamos discutiendo aquí?",3740.36,3743.12,{"idx":4908,"utterance_id":4909,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4910,"start_s":4911,"end_s":4912,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},710,"98248","Este tema del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) es muy importante.",3743.24,3744.4,{"idx":4914,"utterance_id":4915,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4916,"start_s":4917,"end_s":4918,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},711,"98249","No podemos... Desafortunadamente, cubre mucho espacio.",3744.54,3746.64,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4920,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4921,"start_s":4922,"end_s":4923,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"98250","Ejemplo claro: estoy hablando mucho.",3746.98,3748.42,{"idx":4925,"utterance_id":4926,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4927,"start_s":4928,"end_s":4929,"word_count":303,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":4930,"indexable":404},713,"98251","El 5 de enero... algunas áreas de Brasil que están bajo el control del crimen, las voy a poner en estado de defensa.",3748.52,3752.86,"anuncia 'vou colocar em estado de defesa' en áreas controladas por el crimen.",{"idx":4932,"utterance_id":4933,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4934,"start_s":4935,"end_s":4936,"word_count":345,"topic_slug":4937,"topic_label":4938,"target_id":4939,"target_proposition":4940,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":4941,"indexable":178},714,"98252","Estoy absolutamente seguro de que va a venir una acción del PSOL, el PSOL va a presentar una demanda, y va a aparecer un ministro que dará una decisión impidiendo eso.",3753.06,3758.24,"poder-judiciario-e-separacao-de-poderes","Poder Judicial y separación de poderes","827448d4-c513-4a31-a1c5-6f8a290eb97b","asegurar que decisiones judiciales no reviertan medidas aprobadas por el Legislativo","prevé acción judicial contra la solicitud de estado de defensa; describe el riesgo.",{"idx":4943,"utterance_id":4944,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4945,"start_s":4946,"end_s":4947,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":4937,"topic_label":4938,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4950,"indexable":404},715,"98253","Pero si la solicitud del estado de defensa pasa por el proceso legislativo correcto, obtuve la mayoría, conseguí, entonces la decisión ilegal no se cumple.",3758.64,3767.08,"b4a15fde-dec5-4920-9a51-e87cde234684","rechazar acatar decisiones del STF que contravengan un acto legislativo aprobado","defiende que la decisión aprobada por el Legislativo debe prevalecer sobre el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":4952,"utterance_id":4953,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4954,"start_s":4955,"end_s":4956,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4937,"topic_label":4938,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4957,"indexable":404},716,"98254","Y tenemos que estar listos para tener un presidente de la república que no obedezca una decisión ilegal que venga del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",3767.6,3773.3,"pide preparación para un presidente que 'não obedeça' una decisión judicial ilegal.",{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":4937,"topic_label":4938,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":4964,"indexable":178},717,"98255","Una decisión ilegal no se cumple.",3773.74,3775.48,"afirma 'Decisão ilegal não se cumpre' como principio.",{"idx":4966,"utterance_id":4967,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4968,"start_s":4969,"end_s":4970,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},718,"98256","Incluso ya no se cumplió antes.",3775.8,3776.86,{"idx":4972,"utterance_id":4973,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4974,"start_s":4975,"end_s":4976,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},719,"98257","Una vez hubo una decisión de Marco Aurélio ordenando apartar a Renan Calheiros, 2016.",3776.92,3779.82,{"idx":4978,"utterance_id":4979,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4980,"start_s":4981,"end_s":4982,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},720,"98258","Renan Calheiros, sin ninguna calidad moral, vamos a dejarlo claro, dijo que no.",3780.74,3785.3,{"idx":4984,"utterance_id":4985,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4986,"start_s":4987,"end_s":4988,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},721,"98259","Se generó el impasse y lo revocaron.",3785.84,3787.22,{"idx":4990,"utterance_id":4991,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4992,"start_s":4993,"end_s":4994,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4937,"topic_label":4938,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":4995,"indexable":404},722,"98260","Creo que ya es hora de hacer eso.",3787.6,3788.7,"dice 'tá na hora de fazer isso', refiriéndose a no acatar decisiones.",{"idx":4997,"utterance_id":4998,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4999,"start_s":5000,"end_s":5001,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},723,"98261","Bolsonaro se la pasaba comprando, nosotros generamos muchos conflictos del período de Bolsonaro, en el que él se la pasaba gritando 'ah, no me gusta Xandão'.",3789.02,3794.82,{"idx":5003,"utterance_id":5004,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5005,"start_s":5006,"end_s":5007,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},724,"98262","Luego lloraba por teléfono con Xandão, como fue relatado, pidió ayuda a Michel Temer.",3795.3,3798.62,{"idx":5009,"utterance_id":5010,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5011,"start_s":5012,"end_s":5013,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},725,"98263","No es así como se resuelve.",3798.98,3799.84,{"idx":5015,"utterance_id":5016,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5017,"start_s":5018,"end_s":5019,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},726,"98264","Institucionalmente tendrás que poner un freno.",3800.22,3801.86,{"idx":5021,"utterance_id":5022,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5023,"start_s":5024,"end_s":5025,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},727,"98265","¿Qué va a hacer el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",3802.14,3803.04,{"idx":5027,"utterance_id":5028,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5029,"start_s":5030,"end_s":5031,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},728,"98266","¿Te va a dar un golpe de Estado?",3803.1,3804.16,{"idx":5033,"utterance_id":5034,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5035,"start_s":5036,"end_s":5037,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},729,"98267","Tenemos que hablar, asistir al proceso legislativo.",3804.78,3806.72,{"idx":5039,"utterance_id":5040,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5041,"start_s":5042,"end_s":5043,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},730,"98268","fue llevado a cabo a través de sus agentes debidamente constituidos.",3807.38,3810.74,{"idx":5045,"utterance_id":5046,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5047,"start_s":5048,"end_s":5049,"word_count":319,"indexable":178},731,"98269","Y si el presidente debidamente constituido entró, digamos, en el cumplimiento de sus atribuciones con el proyecto, eso tiene que ser respetado por el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",3810.8,3817.42,{"idx":5051,"utterance_id":5052,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5053,"start_s":5054,"end_s":5055,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},732,"98270","No es porque quieran discutir derechos humanos en Harvard que eso vaya a ser anulado.",3817.92,3820.3,{"idx":5057,"utterance_id":5058,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5059,"start_s":5060,"end_s":5061,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},733,"98271","Eso tiene que quedar claro.",3820.36,3821,{"idx":5063,"utterance_id":5064,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5065,"start_s":5066,"end_s":5067,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},734,"98272","El próximo presidente de la República tendrá que lidiar con ese problema.",3821.1,3823.62,{"idx":5069,"utterance_id":5070,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5071,"start_s":5072,"end_s":5073,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},735,"98273","Y no vamos a poder huir de ese asunto.",3823.92,3825.82,{"idx":5075,"utterance_id":5076,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5077,"start_s":5078,"end_s":5079,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},736,"98274","Pasando a la cuestión de la reforma política.",3826.62,3827.86,{"idx":5081,"utterance_id":5082,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5083,"start_s":5084,"end_s":5085,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":5086,"target_proposition":5087,"stance":2218,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5088,"indexable":404},737,"98275","No creo en el voto distrital puro, porque el voto distrital puro en Brasil es solamente el empoderamiento del centrão.",3828.92,3833.32,"48c71375-a581-46fd-badb-54e00572c281","implementar voto distrital puro","declara 'não acredito no voto distrital puro' y explica los riesgos.",{"idx":5090,"utterance_id":5091,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5092,"start_s":5093,"end_s":5094,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},738,"98276","Y tenemos un modelo político mediante enmiendas y cooptación que es un desastre.",3833.98,3838.4,{"idx":5096,"utterance_id":5097,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5098,"start_s":5099,"end_s":5100,"word_count":198,"indexable":178},739,"98277","Y nosotros, cuanto más recorremos Brasil, más vemos que existe una versión del voto distrital en la que los políticos cooptan, digamos, las alcaldías locales, distribuyen enmiendas, compran el voto y se mantienen con sus familias por mucho tiempo.",3838.76,3849.74,{"idx":5102,"utterance_id":5103,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5104,"start_s":5105,"end_s":5106,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":5107,"topic_label":5108,"target_id":5109,"target_proposition":5110,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5111,"indexable":404},740,"98278","La reforma que quiero, la estoy llamando ley de responsabilidad gerencial.",3850.18,3853.8,"gestao-publica-e-administracao-estadual","Gestión pública y administración estatal","45364d90-6e61-4eaf-9c9d-6eb65fb3131a","aprobar una ley de responsabilidad gerencial para alcaldes","propone explícitamente 'lei de responsabilidade gerencial'.",{"idx":5113,"utterance_id":5114,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5115,"start_s":5116,"end_s":5117,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},741,"98279","Es una norma que altera lo siguiente: el sistema de incentivos... para el funcionamiento de las alcaldías.",3854.28,3859.62,{"idx":5119,"utterance_id":5120,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5121,"start_s":5122,"end_s":5123,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},742,"98280","Y el foco tiene que estar en el alcalde.",3860.02,3861.18,{"idx":5125,"utterance_id":5126,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5127,"start_s":5128,"end_s":5129,"word_count":260,"indexable":178},743,"98281","Un alcalde, hoy, gana una elección haciendo un show de Wesley Safadão con la enmienda del diputado aliado, y allí compra votos, puro y simple.",3861.56,3868.7,{"idx":5131,"utterance_id":5132,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5133,"start_s":5134,"end_s":5135,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},744,"98282","Esto en los municipios pequeños de Brasil funciona así, y no podemos escapar de eso.",3868.76,3872.54,{"idx":5137,"utterance_id":5138,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5139,"start_s":5140,"end_s":5141,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},745,"98283","Sobre todo porque no existe democracia en la práctica en Brasil.",3872.82,3875.88,{"idx":5143,"utterance_id":5144,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5145,"start_s":5146,"end_s":5147,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},746,"98284","Un país en el que hay compra de votos, tenemos una democracia nominal.",3876.04,3878.26,{"idx":5149,"utterance_id":5150,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5151,"start_s":5152,"end_s":5153,"word_count":345,"indexable":178},747,"98285","Las personas son cooptadas en el periodo electoral, ya sea por la máquina pública, ya sea por la compra de votos, ya sea por el Caixa 2, votan allí en el grupo familiar y el juego continúa.",3878.84,3886.04,{"idx":5155,"utterance_id":5156,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5157,"start_s":5158,"end_s":5159,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":5107,"topic_label":5108,"target_id":5160,"target_proposition":5161,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5162,"indexable":404},748,"98286","Necesitamos fusionar municipios, establecer criterios objetivos de evaluación de los alcaldes, de modo que un alcalde, si quiere participar en una reelección, tendrá que cumplir como mínimo: si tiene 10% de cobertura de alcantarillado en ese municipio, entregar, supongamos, 20%.",3886.5,3899.54,"a12c5097-aef8-44f7-8fe0-656713df2e50","exigir certificación de desempeño para que los alcaldes compitan en la reelección","propone criterios objetivos y metas para la reelección municipal.",{"idx":5164,"utterance_id":5165,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5166,"start_s":5167,"end_s":5168,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},749,"98287","El IBGE, el IPE, organismos pueden trabajar en esto.",3899.76,3902.08,{"idx":5170,"utterance_id":5171,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5172,"start_s":5173,"end_s":5174,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},750,"98288","Establece esos criterios, mejora en el ranking del Saeb, mejora la cobertura del alcantarillado, mejora índices relacionados con la atención en las UBS en los municipios.",3902.4,3909.82,{"idx":5176,"utterance_id":5177,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5178,"start_s":5179,"end_s":5180,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},751,"98289","Obtuvo esos índices, participa en la reelección normalmente, puede incluso hacer su show de Wesley Safadão.",3910.24,3914.18,{"idx":5182,"utterance_id":5183,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5184,"start_s":5185,"end_s":5186,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},752,"98290","Si no obtuvo esos índices, el alcalde tiene que tener una sanción.",3914.56,3916.92,{"idx":5188,"utterance_id":5189,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5190,"start_s":5191,"end_s":5192,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},753,"98291","Y la segunda cosa, que es super simple de resolver.",3917.36,3919.42,{"idx":5194,"utterance_id":5195,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5196,"start_s":5197,"end_s":5198,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":5199,"topic_label":5200,"target_id":5201,"target_proposition":5202,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5203,"indexable":404},754,"98292","El fondo partidario electoral en Brasil, que ya es altísimo, no tiene que estar condicionado por el número de Tiriricas, o Nicolas Ferreiras, o Éricas Hilton, que usted elige en su partido.",3920.16,3929.92,"financiamento-de-campanha","Financiamiento de campaña","2f86eb51-915f-4176-b5e6-7e40bfeaf1c4","condicionar transferencias partidarias al desempeño de los electos","propone vincular el fondo partidario a criterios de desempeño municipal.",{"idx":5205,"utterance_id":5206,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5207,"start_s":5208,"end_s":5209,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},755,"98293","Tiene que estar condicionado a esos criterios de desempeño objetivo de sus alcaldes.",3930.56,3934.32,{"idx":899,"utterance_id":5211,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5212,"start_s":5213,"end_s":5214,"word_count":483,"indexable":178},"98294","Entonces, un partido tiene a los alcaldes, los alcaldes obtienen buenos índices de desempeño, metrificados de manera objetiva, por lo tanto... atienden al interés de la población local, incluso cuando la población local no sepa evaluar, la población local en Brasil no sabe evaluar, por ejemplo, la importancia del saneamiento básico.",3934.82,3948.1,{"idx":5216,"utterance_id":5217,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5218,"start_s":5219,"end_s":5220,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},757,"98295","No lo reclama, 'quiero mi saneamiento', nadie lo reclama, además porque la obra está ocurriendo bajo tierra.",3948.52,3952.06,{"idx":5222,"utterance_id":5223,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5224,"start_s":5225,"end_s":5226,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},758,"98296","Y entonces a nadie le importa realmente, ni siquiera con el marco del saneamiento del año pasado.",3952.38,3954.66,{"idx":5228,"utterance_id":5229,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5230,"start_s":5231,"end_s":5232,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},759,"98297","Entonces, esto obliga a los partidos a: 'quiero colocar buenos alcaldes que obtendrán buenos índices de desempeño y así tendré más dinero para reinvertir en más buenos alcaldes y administradores públicos de calidad'.",3955.34,3967.68,{"idx":5234,"utterance_id":5235,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5236,"start_s":5237,"end_s":5238,"word_count":432,"topic_slug":5239,"topic_label":5240,"target_id":5241,"target_proposition":5242,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":5243,"indexable":404},760,"98298","Con ese sistema de incentivos, por un lado, y con la sanción de que el líder político local y el partido no puedan concurrir a la elección, inclusive quedar inelegibles por ocho años en ese municipio, ahí empezamos a equilibrar.",3968.08,3978.14,"contestacao-politica-responsabilizacao","Impugnación Política \u002F Responsabilización","bec4537c-84e6-4e99-a20d-96cecddddbb1","hacer a líderes o partidos inelegibles por ocho años en municipios con desempeño insuficiente","propone sanción de inelegibilidad por ocho años en el municipio.",{"idx":5245,"utterance_id":5246,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5247,"start_s":5248,"end_s":5249,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},761,"98299","Establecemos criterios objetivos de evaluación.",3978.18,3980.44,{"idx":5251,"utterance_id":5252,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5253,"start_s":5254,"end_s":5255,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},762,"98300","Y eso empezamos a dimensionarlo.",3980.84,3982,{"idx":5257,"utterance_id":5258,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5259,"start_s":5260,"end_s":5261,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},763,"98301","La necesidad de las enmiendas, la función de los diputados federales y la función de los partidos políticos.",3982.12,3986.7,{"idx":5263,"utterance_id":5264,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5265,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},764,"98302","Porque hoy el partido político es solo un nombre.",3986.98,3990.16,{"idx":5269,"utterance_id":5270,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5271,"start_s":5272,"end_s":5273,"word_count":242,"indexable":178},765,"98303","¿Cuál es la diferencia del PSD con el PP, con União Brasil, con el NDB?",3990.72,3993.62,{"idx":5275,"utterance_id":5276,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5277,"start_s":5278,"end_s":5279,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},766,"98304","Prácticamente no sirve para nada.",3994.28,3995.48,{"idx":5281,"utterance_id":5282,"speaker_name":174,"text":5283,"start_s":5284,"end_s":5285,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},767,"98305","La representación popular.",3995.96,3997.4,{"idx":5287,"utterance_id":5288,"speaker_name":174,"text":5289,"start_s":5290,"end_s":5291,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},768,"98306","Tal y como está, se mantendría.",3998.04,3999.62,{"idx":5293,"utterance_id":5294,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5295,"start_s":5296,"end_s":5297,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},769,"98307","Lógico, usted vota en la elección.",3999.94,4001.34,{"idx":5299,"utterance_id":5300,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5301,"start_s":5302,"end_s":5303,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},770,"98308","Sucede que el alcalde permanece cuatro años en el municipio, toma ese municipio con 2% de alcantarillado y termina con 2% de alcantarillado o agua potable.",4001.68,4010.04,{"idx":5305,"utterance_id":5306,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5307,"start_s":5308,"end_s":5309,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},771,"98309","Y la población lo reelige, la población lo reelige porque la población está en un nivel de pobreza que ha naturalizado lo absurdo.",4010.32,4016.68,{"idx":5311,"utterance_id":5312,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5313,"start_s":5314,"end_s":5315,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},772,"98310","Y entonces ese alcalde no tiene ninguna obligación de aumentar la actividad económica en ese municipio, ninguna.",4017,4021.08,{"idx":5317,"utterance_id":5318,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5319,"start_s":5320,"end_s":5321,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},773,"98311","Sigue con el Pires en la mano pidiendo dinero del fondo de participación de los municipios.",4021.4,4024.2,{"idx":5323,"utterance_id":5324,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5325,"start_s":5326,"end_s":5327,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},774,"98312","El dinero llega.",4024.52,4025.18,{"idx":5329,"utterance_id":5330,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5331,"start_s":5332,"end_s":5333,"word_count":483,"indexable":178},775,"98313","Él no hace nada útil, hace el famoso show de Wesley Safadão, de Natanzinho en el municipio, coloca al grupo en la alcaldía, coapta a la gente, hace Caixa 2 con el dinero desviado de las enmiendas que están en la cifra de más de 60 millones, y el juego continúa.",4025.64,4037.62,{"idx":5335,"utterance_id":5336,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5337,"start_s":5338,"end_s":5339,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},776,"98314","y él es reelecto.",4037.68,4038.34,{"idx":5341,"utterance_id":5342,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5343,"start_s":5344,"end_s":5345,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},777,"98315","Cuando vamos a las pequeñas alcaldías de los lugares más pobres de Brasil, vemos eso.",4038.84,4042.38,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5347,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5348,"start_s":5349,"end_s":5350,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},"98316","¿Por qué es reelecto el alcalde que no mejora ningún indicador básico?",4042.42,4045.14,{"idx":5352,"utterance_id":5353,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5354,"start_s":5355,"end_s":5356,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},779,"98317","El alcalde, por lo tanto, no está cumpliendo su papel constitucional de atender las demandas de la población.",4045.78,4050.56,{"idx":5358,"utterance_id":5359,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5360,"start_s":5361,"end_s":5362,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},780,"98318","Y la población no sabe evaluar.",4051.3,4052.4,{"idx":5364,"utterance_id":5365,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5366,"start_s":5367,"end_s":5368,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},781,"98319","Vamos a necesitar ayudar a la población a evaluar de algún modo.",4052.54,4054.96,{"idx":5370,"utterance_id":5371,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5372,"start_s":5373,"end_s":5374,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},782,"98320","Y esos criterios objetivos tienen que estar presentes en eso.",4055.3,4057.36,{"idx":5376,"utterance_id":5377,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5378,"start_s":5379,"end_s":5380,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},783,"98321","A menos que aceptemos las cosas tal como están.",4057.46,4059.32,{"idx":5382,"utterance_id":5383,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5384,"start_s":5385,"end_s":5386,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},784,"98322","Está bien, voy a ver Maranhão para siempre, sin calles, sin alcantarillado y con una actividad económica muy baja.",4059.68,4065.16,{"idx":5388,"utterance_id":5389,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5390,"start_s":5391,"end_s":5392,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},785,"98323","¿Es eso lo que queremos?",4065.46,4066.04,{"idx":5394,"utterance_id":5395,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5396,"start_s":5397,"end_s":5398,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},786,"98324","¿Llamamos a eso democracia?",4066.08,4067,{"idx":5400,"utterance_id":5401,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5402,"start_s":5403,"end_s":5404,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},787,"98325","No puedo estar de acuerdo.",4067.54,4068.28,{"idx":5406,"utterance_id":5407,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5408,"start_s":5409,"end_s":5410,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":4302,"topic_label":4303,"target_id":5411,"target_proposition":5412,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":5413,"indexable":404},788,"98326","Entonces una reforma tiene que pasar por esto.",4068.56,4070.04,"03a01f2b-7895-4ec1-b94d-2d048ea0478a","aprobar reforma política que altere el sistema de incentivos municipales","afirma que la reforma debe pasar por un cambio de incentivos locales.",{"idx":5415,"utterance_id":5416,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5417,"start_s":5418,"end_s":5419,"word_count":204,"indexable":178},789,"98327","Porque si no se altera esto, la distrital mixta, la distrital pura, el modelo alemán, el modelo portugués con la lista cerrada, no va a hacer diferencia.",4070.42,4078.24,{"idx":5421,"utterance_id":5422,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5423,"start_s":5424,"end_s":5425,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},790,"98328","Porque el sistema de incentivos va a ser el mismo.",4078.36,4082.04,{"idx":5427,"utterance_id":5428,"speaker_name":174,"text":5429,"start_s":5430,"end_s":5431,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},791,"98329","Aldo, ya estamos llegando al final del programa.",4082.36,4084.44,{"idx":5433,"utterance_id":5434,"speaker_name":174,"text":5435,"start_s":5436,"end_s":5437,"word_count":297,"indexable":178},792,"98330","Usted es un nacionalista, usted tiene su origen allá en el Partido Comunista, como Thais hace un momento recordaba.",4085.12,4091.14,{"idx":5439,"utterance_id":5440,"speaker_name":174,"text":5441,"start_s":5442,"end_s":5443,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},793,"98331","¿Cuál es su posición sobre las privatizaciones?",4091.92,4093.62,{"idx":5445,"utterance_id":5446,"speaker_name":174,"text":5447,"start_s":5448,"end_s":5449,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},794,"98332","Estamos viendo, por ejemplo, algunas empresas estatales como los Correios presentando un déficit gigantesco en estos últimos años.",4093.66,4099.58,{"idx":5451,"utterance_id":5452,"speaker_name":174,"text":5453,"start_s":5454,"end_s":5455,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":5456,"topic_label":5457,"target_id":5458,"target_proposition":5459,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":5460,"indexable":178},795,"98333","Usted, en caso de ser presidente, ¿mantendría esas empresas estatales?",4100.02,4103.48,"privatizacao-e-concessoes","Privatización y Concesiones","0ef069a9-6c61-4827-be39-c9d89552510c","privatizar empresas y servicios públicos","pregunta si se deben mantener las empresas estatales o privatizar (consulta).",{"idx":5462,"utterance_id":5463,"speaker_name":174,"text":5464,"start_s":5465,"end_s":5466,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},796,"98334","¿o usted piensa en privatizaciones?",4103.62,4105.14,{"idx":5468,"utterance_id":5469,"speaker_name":174,"text":5470,"start_s":5471,"end_s":5472,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":5456,"topic_label":5457,"target_id":5458,"target_proposition":5459,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":5473,"indexable":404},797,"98335","Privatizar o no privatizar no es una cuestión de principios, es una cuestión de necesidad.",4106.08,4111.32,"afirma que privatizar es cuestión de necesidad, no de principio.",{"idx":5475,"utterance_id":5476,"speaker_name":174,"text":5477,"start_s":5478,"end_s":5479,"word_count":303,"indexable":178},798,"98336","Brasil, cuando construyó empresas estatales, fue porque el sector privado no tenía interés en, por ejemplo, hacer siderurgia en Brasil.",4111.88,4121.88,{"idx":5481,"utterance_id":5482,"speaker_name":174,"text":5483,"start_s":5484,"end_s":5485,"word_count":267,"indexable":178},799,"98337","Entonces, Vargas consiguió allí un fondo americano de 100 millones de dólares y creó Volta Redonda.",4122.22,4126.98,{"idx":5487,"utterance_id":5488,"speaker_name":174,"text":5489,"start_s":5490,"end_s":5491,"word_count":345,"indexable":178},800,"98338","Luego Brasil hizo petroquímica y ya con... Un capital con participación del Estado, un tercio, del sector privado nacional, un tercio, y del sector privado extranjero, un tercio.",4127.94,4140.28,{"idx":5493,"utterance_id":5494,"speaker_name":174,"text":5495,"start_s":5496,"end_s":5497,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":5498,"target_proposition":5499,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1955,"rationale":5500,"indexable":178},801,"98339","Ahí hicimos las industrias petroquímicas.",4140.74,4143.32,"ba5cb769-0989-4f3e-8e60-c723d3fef8c9","promover la reindustrialización del Estado","reivindica acción estatal: 'nós fizemos as indústrias de petroquímica'.",{"idx":5502,"utterance_id":5503,"speaker_name":174,"text":5504,"start_s":5505,"end_s":5506,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":5498,"target_proposition":5499,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1955,"rationale":5507,"indexable":404},802,"98340","Hicimos la celulosa también, principalmente en Aracruz, con esa inversión pública.",4143.4,4148.5,"usa 'Nós fizemos' para reivindicar inversión pública en la celulosa.",{"idx":5509,"utterance_id":5510,"speaker_name":174,"text":5511,"start_s":5512,"end_s":5513,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":5514,"topic_label":5515,"target_id":5516,"target_proposition":5517,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5518,"indexable":404},803,"98341","Donde el capital privado tenga condiciones de resolver, de llevar adelante, no hay por qué el Estado meterse.",4149,4155.68,"papel-do-estado","Papel del Estado","06033de7-7f90-42c4-ac3d-a2d9c30f1ecc","reducir el tamaño del Estado y disminuir la dependencia del gobierno","declara explícitamente 'não tem porque o Estado se meter'.",{"idx":5520,"utterance_id":5521,"speaker_name":174,"text":5522,"start_s":5523,"end_s":5524,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":5525,"topic_label":5526,"target_id":5527,"target_proposition":5528,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":5529,"indexable":404},804,"98342","Ahora, si el sector privado no tiene interés en crear una empresa de investigación agropecuaria, como Embrapa, ahí usted tiene que poner al Estado.",4156.08,4164.28,"inovacao-e-pesquisa","Innovación y Investigación","3833d950-342e-4e01-b4e2-cdb1670cf7b4","aumentar la inversión pública en investigación agropecuaria","propone que el Estado actúe cuando el privado no tiene interés (Embrapa como ejemplo).",{"idx":5531,"utterance_id":5532,"speaker_name":174,"text":5533,"start_s":5534,"end_s":5535,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":5536,"topic_label":5537,"target_id":5538,"target_proposition":5539,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":5540,"indexable":404},805,"98343","Si el Estado no tiene condiciones de montar una escuela de ingeniería, como el ITA, el Instituto Tecnológico de la Aeronáutica, y luego crear un centro de tecnología aeronáutica, y después impulsar una industria aeronáutica, como hizo Embraer, el Estado toma la iniciativa.",4164.82,4180.42,"politica-de-ensino-superior","Política de educación superior","d96c0ee5-7011-4d99-8690-129d23dfc392","crear y financiar escuelas de ingeniería y centros tecnológicos públicos","defiende que 'o Estado toma a iniciativa' para montar el ITA y centros.",{"idx":5542,"utterance_id":5543,"speaker_name":174,"text":5544,"start_s":5545,"end_s":5546,"word_count":438,"topic_slug":5514,"topic_label":5515,"target_id":5547,"target_proposition":5548,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5549,"indexable":404},806,"98344","Entonces, usted tiene que combinar, como en todo el mundo, en los países que supieron combinar el dinamismo y la creatividad de la iniciativa privada con el apoyo y la iniciativa del Estado, donde eso fue importante; es lo que Brasil tiene que hacer.",4181,4197.06,"ba267d68-de31-4dd1-8aa9-76ca167c058c","proporcionar apoyo e incentivos a la iniciativa privada","defiende combinar el dinamismo privado con el apoyo y la iniciativa del Estado.",{"idx":5551,"utterance_id":5552,"speaker_name":174,"text":5553,"start_s":5554,"end_s":5555,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},807,"98345","Brasil no tiene que inventar ni dividir lo siguiente.",4197.14,4199.74,{"idx":5557,"utterance_id":5558,"speaker_name":174,"text":5559,"start_s":5560,"end_s":5561,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},808,"98346","O es público, o es empresa pública, o es empresa privada.",4199.78,4203.34,{"idx":5563,"utterance_id":5564,"speaker_name":174,"text":5565,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5567,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":5514,"topic_label":5515,"target_id":5547,"target_proposition":5548,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":5568,"indexable":404},809,"98347","No, Brasil tiene que combinar eficiencia, tanto en la actividad pública, como en la actividad pública.",4203.8,4210.48,"afirma que Brasil debe 'combinar eficiência' pública y privada.",{"idx":5570,"utterance_id":5571,"speaker_name":174,"text":5572,"start_s":5573,"end_s":5574,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":5514,"topic_label":5515,"target_id":5547,"target_proposition":5548,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":5575,"indexable":404},810,"98348","Y hacer que la combinación de esas dos acciones redunde en el interés nacional.",4211.14,4216.14,"defiende la combinación de acciones para el interés nacional.",{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5577,"speaker_name":174,"text":5578,"start_s":5579,"end_s":5580,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":5514,"topic_label":5515,"target_id":5547,"target_proposition":5548,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":1955,"rationale":5581,"indexable":404},"98349","Allí hay una actividad que puede contar con la presencia del emprendedor privado, sea este nacional o internacional.",4216.6,4224.32,"dice que la actividad puede contar con emprendedores privados cuando sea posible.",{"idx":5583,"utterance_id":5584,"speaker_name":174,"text":5585,"start_s":5586,"end_s":5587,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},812,"98350","Muy bien, vamos.",4224.64,4225.36,{"idx":5589,"utterance_id":5590,"speaker_name":174,"text":5591,"start_s":5592,"end_s":5593,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":5594,"topic_label":5595,"target_id":5596,"target_proposition":5597,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":367,"rationale":5598,"indexable":178},813,"98351","¿Como lo hicieron los chinos y lo siguen haciendo hasta hoy?",4225.92,4228.46,"desenvolvimento-economico","Desarrollo económico","8226b387-3cfb-4453-bf4f-9d125630ba86","estudiar y considerar modelos de desarrollo con participación estatal (p. ej.: China)","evoca el modelo chino como ejemplo a seguir ('Como o chinês fez').",{"idx":5600,"utterance_id":5601,"speaker_name":174,"text":5602,"start_s":5603,"end_s":5604,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},814,"98352","Productividad.",4228.5,4229.16,{"idx":5606,"utterance_id":5607,"speaker_name":174,"text":5608,"start_s":5609,"end_s":5610,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},815,"98353","Renan, privatizaciones.",4229.2,4231.9,{"idx":5612,"utterance_id":5613,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5614,"start_s":5615,"end_s":5616,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":5617,"topic_label":5618,"target_id":5619,"target_proposition":5620,"stance":1102,"stance_confidence":1507,"rationale":5621,"indexable":178},816,"98354","Soy favorable, dependiendo del caso.",4231.94,4233.42,"privatizacoes-e-politica-economica","Privatizaciones y política económica","0806bbe6-36f8-4e4e-8130-d986c9559930","privatizar empresas estatales","dice 'Sou favorável, dependendo do caso' sin especificar el objeto.",{"idx":5623,"utterance_id":5624,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5625,"start_s":5626,"end_s":5627,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":5525,"topic_label":5526,"target_id":5628,"target_proposition":5629,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":5630,"indexable":404},817,"98355","Ahora, en un modelo más amplio, hay que entender que con la llegada de la inteligencia artificial, el machine learning, podremos utilizar la centralidad del Estado de manera eficiente como nunca antes en la historia de Brasil.",4233.74,4243.44,"69e5c227-5e97-4749-9a7a-64815b7e3ec2","integrar inteligencia artificial a los servicios públicos","propone usar IA para 'utilizar a centralidade do Estado' eficientemente.",{"idx":5632,"utterance_id":5633,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5634,"start_s":5635,"end_s":5636,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},818,"98356","Estoy muy optimista.",4243.58,4244.44,{"idx":5638,"utterance_id":5639,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5640,"start_s":5641,"end_s":5642,"word_count":357,"topic_slug":5643,"topic_label":5644,"target_id":5645,"target_proposition":5646,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":379,"rationale":5647,"indexable":178},819,"98357","Que Petrobras sea pública o privada es poco comparado con lo que Petrobras y todo el sector podrán hacer en un mundo en que el conocimiento se va a compartir.",4244.88,4254.46,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Política industrial y energética","190acfd7-2363-43dd-974a-64c2180356d6","priorizar el desarrollo del sector petrolero independientemente de la forma de propiedad","minimiza el debate sobre la propiedad, se centra en el potencial del sector.",{"idx":5649,"utterance_id":5650,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5651,"start_s":5652,"end_s":5653,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},820,"98358","Es una novedad muy grande en eso.",4255.24,4256.6,{"idx":5655,"utterance_id":5656,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5657,"start_s":5658,"end_s":5659,"word_count":489,"topic_slug":5660,"topic_label":5661,"target_id":5662,"target_proposition":5663,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":429,"rationale":5664,"indexable":404},821,"98359","Un ejemplo, aunque no sea una empresa pública, el SUS... Con el uso de la inteligencia artificial, del machine learning, del historial clínico único, de aplicaciones que harán que usted pueda consultarse con el médico en el momento, va a pasar por una revolución en los próximos años.",4256.92,4268.96,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Salud pública y infraestructura hospitalaria","3df76fdf-0791-46ca-ab80-fefb349ecf8e","modernizar el SUS con inteligencia artificial y registro clínico único","propone IA, historial clínico único y apps para revolucionar el SUS.",{"idx":5666,"utterance_id":5667,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5668,"start_s":5669,"end_s":5670,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":5660,"topic_label":5661,"target_id":5671,"target_proposition":5672,"stance":366,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":5673,"indexable":178},822,"98360","Yo era, como liberal, medio... no me gustaba el SUS; todo lo que tiene 'único' en el nombre, soy medio contrario.",4269.34,4274.84,"9efba414-eb74-4699-bb78-23f0e0a8dff8","mantener el sistema público de salud unificado (SUS)","relata una opinión pasada ('não gosto do SUS') sin proponer una acción actual.",{"idx":5675,"utterance_id":5676,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5677,"start_s":5678,"end_s":5679,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":5660,"topic_label":5661,"target_id":5662,"target_proposition":5663,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":402,"rationale":5680,"indexable":404},823,"98361","Hoy ya veo el modelo centralizado del SUS, junto con la tecnología, con el machine learning, como una dádiva.",4275.28,4280.5,"afirma ver el modelo centralizado del SUS con tecnología como 'dádiva'.",{"idx":5682,"utterance_id":5683,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5684,"start_s":5685,"end_s":5686,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":5660,"topic_label":5661,"target_id":5662,"target_proposition":5663,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":5687,"indexable":404},824,"98362","Podremos hacer una revolución en el área de la salud, como hoy Estados Unidos no pueden hacer.",4280.54,4284.56,"dice que habrá 'revolução na área da saúde' con esas tecnologías.",{"idx":5689,"utterance_id":5690,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5691,"start_s":5692,"end_s":5693,"word_count":260,"topic_slug":5694,"topic_label":5695,"target_id":5696,"target_proposition":5697,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":719,"rationale":5698,"indexable":404},825,"98363","Como lo que Inglaterra está pensando en hacer, como El Salvador —citamos a Bukele hace un momento— lo está haciendo, y su modelo es sensacional.",4285.02,4290.88,"inovacao-e-governanca","Innovación y gobernanza","7a1a8adf-b6dc-4dc2-9d5c-c7dae12abe1c","adoptar modelos internacionales de gestión pública con tecnología cuando sea apropiado","cita a Inglaterra y a Bukele como modelos 'sensacionais' a considerar.",{"idx":5700,"utterance_id":5701,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5702,"start_s":5703,"end_s":5704,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},826,"98364","Hablamos mucho de seguridad, pero el sector salud es una revolución.",4290.92,4293.8,{"idx":5706,"utterance_id":5707,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5708,"start_s":5709,"end_s":5710,"word_count":406,"topic_slug":5514,"topic_label":5515,"target_id":5711,"target_proposition":5712,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":5713,"indexable":404},827,"98365","Y entonces la centralidad del Estado, el papel articulador de fuerzas, ahora emergiendo también como un papel articulador de inteligencia, puede convertir a Brasil en un país muy, no solo eficiente en entregar sus servicios, sino muy poderoso.",4294.32,4307.62,"bd5d5755-c168-47d4-bab3-ca857f95d6c6","fortalecer la centralidad del Estado como articulador y gestor de inteligencia en políticas públicas","defiende un papel articulador y de inteligencia del Estado para la eficiencia.",{"idx":5715,"utterance_id":5716,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5717,"start_s":5718,"end_s":5719,"word_count":483,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":5720,"target_proposition":5721,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":468,"rationale":5722,"indexable":404},828,"98366","Podremos usar las tierras raras, utilizando al Estado como, por ejemplo, un promotor de esas empresas de tecnología, que harán transferencia de tecnología con empresas estadounidenses, explotando esos recursos; el Estado deja de ser un enemigo y pasa a ser un socio en esa construcción.",4308.06,4322.22,"a3de25bc-104e-4c80-89b0-5e854d23d7a0","financiar el desarrollo de la cadena nacional de tierras raras vía BNDES e inversión pública","propone usar al Estado como fomentador para explotar tierras raras.",{"idx":5724,"utterance_id":5725,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5726,"start_s":5727,"end_s":5728,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},829,"98367","Y creo que ese futuro será cercano.",4322.34,4323.92,{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":174,"text":5732,"start_s":5733,"end_s":5734,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},830,"98368","Tenemos que finalizar.",4324.12,4325.24,{"idx":5736,"utterance_id":5737,"speaker_name":174,"text":5738,"start_s":5739,"end_s":5740,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},831,"98369","Aldo, un minuto, si puede también, Renan, en seguida, consideraciones finales.",4325.44,4329.52,{"idx":5742,"utterance_id":5743,"speaker_name":174,"text":5744,"start_s":5745,"end_s":5746,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},832,"98370","¿Tiene una idea de lo que es Brasil?",4329.76,4331.88,{"idx":5748,"utterance_id":5749,"speaker_name":174,"text":5750,"start_s":5751,"end_s":5752,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},833,"98371","En 2015, yo era ministro de Defensa, había sido ministro de Ciencia y Tecnología, recibí a un gran grupo de investigadores, ministros, alemanes.",4331.94,4341.26,{"idx":5754,"utterance_id":5755,"speaker_name":174,"text":5756,"start_s":5757,"end_s":5758,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},834,"98372","¿Sabe en qué estaban interesados?",4341.72,4343.28,{"idx":5760,"utterance_id":5761,"speaker_name":174,"text":5762,"start_s":5763,"end_s":5764,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},835,"98373","En tierras raras.",4343.56,4344.62,{"idx":5766,"utterance_id":5767,"speaker_name":174,"text":5768,"start_s":5769,"end_s":5770,"word_count":186,"indexable":178},836,"98374","Tierras raras.",4345.6,4346.24,{"idx":5772,"utterance_id":5773,"speaker_name":174,"text":5774,"start_s":5775,"end_s":5776,"word_count":290,"indexable":178},837,"98375","Hace 15, 16 años, vivíamos, hace 11 años, vivíamos una situación de interés del mundo por esas tierras raras.",4346.26,4356.36,{"idx":5778,"utterance_id":5779,"speaker_name":174,"text":5780,"start_s":5781,"end_s":5782,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},838,"98376","Ni prospección, ni conocimiento.",4357.24,4362,{"idx":5784,"utterance_id":5785,"speaker_name":174,"text":5786,"start_s":5787,"end_s":5788,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},839,"98377","30%.",4362.02,4362.44,{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":174,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":226,"indexable":178},840,"98378","China ya conoce todo lo que tiene.",4362.86,4364,{"idx":5796,"utterance_id":5797,"speaker_name":174,"text":5798,"start_s":5799,"end_s":5800,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":5801,"topic_label":5802,"target_id":5803,"target_proposition":5804,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":506,"rationale":5805,"indexable":178},841,"98379","Entonces Brasil tiene esa frontera prometedora.",4364.62,4366.82,"recursos-naturais-e-soberania","Recursos Naturales Y Soberanía","25e47305-c7f9-4aec-adde-5eb64058f2cd","regular y fomentar la explotación y el procesamiento de tierras raras y minerales críticos","afirma que China conoce los recursos; Brasil tiene una frontera prometedora.",{"idx":5807,"utterance_id":5808,"speaker_name":174,"text":5809,"start_s":5810,"end_s":5811,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},842,"98380","Ella puede, de hecho, impulsar a Brasil.",4367.48,4369.92,{"idx":5813,"utterance_id":5814,"speaker_name":174,"text":5815,"start_s":5816,"end_s":5817,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":2483,"topic_label":2484,"target_id":5818,"target_proposition":5819,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":496,"rationale":5820,"indexable":404},843,"98381","De ahí viene el excedente con el que Brasil puede reindustrializarse en alta tecnología.",4370.74,4374.78,"224d8076-36ed-4edb-b1dc-afaa4220cd33","reorientar políticas industriales para promover la producción de tecnología nacional","dice que el excedente de tierras raras puede reindustrializar con alta tecnología.",{"idx":5822,"utterance_id":5823,"speaker_name":174,"text":5824,"start_s":5825,"end_s":5826,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},844,"98382","Entonces debemos mirar al país con optimismo, con confianza.",4375.5,4379.6,{"idx":5828,"utterance_id":5829,"speaker_name":174,"text":5830,"start_s":5831,"end_s":5832,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},845,"98383","El destino nos dio lo que no dio al mundo.",4379.84,4382.72,{"idx":5834,"utterance_id":5835,"speaker_name":174,"text":5836,"start_s":5837,"end_s":5838,"word_count":236,"indexable":178},846,"98384","El destino nos dio frontera agrícola, frontera minera, frontera energética.",4383.26,4386.92,{"idx":5840,"utterance_id":5841,"speaker_name":174,"text":5842,"start_s":5843,"end_s":5844,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},847,"98385","Ahora las decisiones no ayudaron a Brasil.",4387.7,4389.96,{"idx":5846,"utterance_id":5847,"speaker_name":174,"text":5848,"start_s":5849,"end_s":5850,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":5851,"target_proposition":5852,"stance":401,"stance_confidence":749,"rationale":5853,"indexable":404},848,"98386","Entonces hagamos que al encuentro del destino venga una elección que haga que Brasil mire al futuro con esperanza, que es lo que necesitamos.",4390.2,4402.42,"aace5e24-bafb-414d-8a6a-de7e2ad9ab81","desarrollar ciencia, tecnología e industrializar el país","llama a elegir opciones que alineen el destino natural con políticas públicas.",{"idx":5855,"utterance_id":5856,"speaker_name":174,"text":5857,"start_s":5858,"end_s":5859,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},849,"98387","Renan.",4402.96,4403.24,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":5861,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5862,"start_s":5863,"end_s":5864,"word_count":262,"indexable":178},"98388","Bueno, mirando aquí a nuestro espectador, ¿está en esta cámara, en esta?",4404.58,4408.18,{"idx":5866,"utterance_id":5867,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5868,"start_s":5869,"end_s":5870,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},851,"98389","De manera clara para nuestro espectador, le dijeron a usted que su futuro es vivir en una casa con muro, con miedo de salir a la calle porque le pueden robar el 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