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¿no?",193.1,194.88,{"idx":291,"utterance_id":379,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":380,"start_s":381,"end_s":382,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},"225476","Que sean tres coincidencias de la misma patrulla o de patrullas diferentes, no importa, porque son patrullas muy parecidas, ¿verdad?",195.48,203.46,{"idx":213,"utterance_id":384,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":385,"start_s":386,"end_s":387,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},"225477","La viatura, no sé si es del comando táctico, algo así, no entiendo de eso, pero son tres vehículos policiales con el mismo patrón.",204,209.5,{"idx":171,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},"225478","Él pensó que era demasiada coincidencia y no se sintió cómodo al ver a esas personas salir del coche y mirándolo después de los dos episodios 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mentiroso.",245.5,249.4,{"idx":418,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":420,"start_s":421,"end_s":422,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},42,"225483","Reafirmó ante el delegado aquello que él me había... me informado la víspera.",249.9,256.68,{"idx":424,"utterance_id":425,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":426,"start_s":427,"end_s":428,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},43,"225484","Y creo que el Estado tiene la obligación de oír a esa persona.",257.42,261.48,{"idx":430,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":176,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},44,"225485","Rápidamente.",261.78,262.24,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":176,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},45,"225486","En ningún momento me quejé.",262.3,265.2,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":443,"speaker_name":176,"text":444,"start_s":445,"end_s":446,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},46,"225487","Porque el abordaje que ocurrió en la puerta de mi casa definitivamente no me incomodó.",265.7,270.2,{"idx":448,"utterance_id":449,"speaker_name":176,"text":450,"start_s":451,"end_s":452,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},47,"225488","Incluso con uno.",270.7,271.24,{"idx":454,"utterance_id":455,"speaker_name":176,"text":456,"start_s":457,"end_s":458,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},48,"225489","Lo tomé como algo rutinario.",271.86,273.92,{"idx":460,"utterance_id":461,"speaker_name":176,"text":462,"start_s":463,"end_s":464,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},49,"225490","Puede ocurrir.",273.98,274.7,{"idx":466,"utterance_id":467,"speaker_name":176,"text":468,"start_s":469,"end_s":470,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},50,"225491","No vi nada malo.",276.16,277.14,{"idx":472,"utterance_id":473,"speaker_name":176,"text":474,"start_s":475,"end_s":476,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},51,"225492","Pero él salió de mi casa y quedó incómodo con lo que presenció.",278,283.3,{"idx":478,"utterance_id":479,"speaker_name":176,"text":480,"start_s":481,"end_s":482,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},52,"225493","Voy a abrir el espacio aquí para mis amigos y traer también a nuestro...",283.78,285.8,{"idx":484,"utterance_id":485,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":486,"start_s":487,"end_s":488,"word_count":171,"indexable":179},53,"225494","Ahora, si una persona no puede tener el derecho de defenderse, si todo el mundo toma partido por el gobernador por cualquier motivo, yo tomaré su partido, porque no veo razón para que él mienta.",285.82,297.58,{"idx":490,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},54,"225495","No veo ninguna razón para que él mienta.",298.58,300,{"idx":496,"utterance_id":497,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":498,"start_s":499,"end_s":500,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},55,"225496","¿Por qué se quedó media hora en el hotel, después de 10 horas de trabajo, esperando para ir a casa, intercambiando mensajes con un abogado, un asesor y dos asesores?",300.34,311.78,{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},56,"225497","¿Por qué haría eso?",312.38,313.44,{"idx":508,"utterance_id":509,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":510,"start_s":511,"end_s":512,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},57,"225498","¿Por qué fue a buscar refugio en un lugar lleno de cámaras?",314.2,317.46,{"idx":514,"utterance_id":515,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":516,"start_s":517,"end_s":518,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},58,"225499","Hay más de 10 cámaras en el entorno de ese hotel.",318,320.96,{"idx":520,"utterance_id":521,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":522,"start_s":523,"end_s":524,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},59,"225500","Fue allí porque conoce el lugar, él hace ese tipo de trabajo.",321.44,325.6,{"idx":526,"utterance_id":527,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":528,"start_s":529,"end_s":530,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},60,"225501","¿Por qué se quedó media hora para salir de allí, para ir a casa?",326.34,329.48,{"idx":532,"utterance_id":533,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":534,"start_s":535,"end_s":536,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},61,"225502","Son preguntas que el delegado va a responder.",330.42,333.34,{"idx":538,"utterance_id":539,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":540,"start_s":541,"end_s":542,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},62,"225503","Ahora, ¿por qué esa ansiedad por desmentir al tipo, llegaron a divulgar datos de su vida?",333.76,341.7,{"idx":544,"utterance_id":545,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":546,"start_s":547,"end_s":548,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},63,"225504","Enviaron a las redacciones datos de un proceso por el que él fue absuelto, como si hubiese sido condenado.",343.06,349.5,{"idx":550,"utterance_id":551,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":552,"start_s":553,"end_s":554,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},64,"225505","Esta historia está rara, ¿eh?",350.58,352.48,{"idx":556,"utterance_id":557,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":558,"start_s":559,"end_s":560,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},65,"225506","Discúlpenme, pero bueno, esa ansiedad... Y yo viví en Paraisópolis, ¿eh, en las elecciones de 2022.",352.68,359.24,{"idx":244,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},"225507","Nunca compré esa tesis de Tarcísio.",359.66,363.04,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},67,"225508","Entonces también tengo razones para darle el apoyo que él necesite.",363.78,367.08,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},68,"225509","Si se le desmiente, él asumirá las consecuencias.",367.54,370.02,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":176,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},69,"225510","De manera muy objetiva, candidato.",371.44,372.8,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":176,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},70,"225511","Usted menciona, ah, no sé cuál corporación es, porque no entiendo mucho de eso.",372.82,376.28,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":176,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},71,"225512","¿Usted entiende que...?",376.54,377.34,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":176,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},72,"225513","No, querido, estoy hablando del modelo del coche.",377.5,382.38,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":176,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},73,"225514","Exactamente, eso es lo que voy a cuestionar.",382.48,383.8,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":176,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},74,"225515","Debe haber más de un modelo.",383.82,385.08,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":176,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},75,"225516","¿Usted entiende que esto, de alguna forma, o esta situación, ya trae algún tipo de fricción inicial en una posible relación con la Policía Militar?",385.14,391.3,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":176,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},76,"225517","¿Por qué usted no tiene ninguna preocupación respecto a ese sentido, en caso de que usted sea elegido gobernador de São Paulo?",391.32,396.08,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":176,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},77,"225518","Eso es una tontería lo que estás diciendo, porque...",397.06,398.8,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":176,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},78,"225519","Siendo una tontería o no, me gustaría que usted respondiera a mi pregunta.",401.14,403.52,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},79,"225520","Si un ciudadano comete un error, es castigado.",403.6,407.22,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},80,"225521","Si un profesional del servicio público comete un error, también es castigado.",407.96,412.54,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},81,"225522","Ahora, no estás hablando de la corporación.",413.26,415.06,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},82,"225523","No estoy hablando de la corporación.",415.12,416.22,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":240,"indexable":179},83,"225524","Además, quien está faltando a su compromiso con la corporación es el actual gobernador, que prometió mundos y fondos para la Policía Civil y para la Policía Militar y no cumplió.",418.76,427.76,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},84,"225525","Entonces, nunca dejé de cumplir con el servicio público, como alcalde, como ministro de Educación y como ministro de Hacienda, nunca dejé de cumplir mis compromisos con el servicio público.",428.54,437.76,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},85,"225526","No va a encontrar una promesa mía que haya sido incumplida con el servicio público.",437.94,442.8,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},86,"225527","Respeto el servicio público, pero también respeto al trabajador.",443.16,446.76,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},87,"225528","Y me parece que está ocurriendo algo descalibrado.",447.58,450.44,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},88,"225529","Si hay un trabajador que no tiene ninguna razón, ninguna razón, un hombre es trabajador, tiene una empresa.",451,457.82,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},89,"225530","Se verá perjudicado si no prueba lo que está diciendo.",458.24,462.16,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},90,"225531","Si fue a la policía ayer, reafirmó, ¿por qué no investigar lo que está diciendo?",462.52,469.52,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},91,"225532","Identificó la cámara, fue ante el delegado y dijo: esta cámara aquí va a probar lo que estoy diciendo.",469.88,475.86,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},92,"225533","Que lo que dijo el gobernador no es verdad.",476.38,478.24,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},93,"225534","Dijo que la patrulla no pasó y que los policías no bajaron del 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empleado.",490.98,497.58,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},98,"225539","Él está pidiendo... él llevó la consideración ante el delegado: 'toma esta cámara aquí y mira lo que pasó'.",498.36,505.08,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},99,"225540","Ahora, si un ciudadano no puede hacer eso, porque todo el mundo se echa encima del chico, porque está afrontando al gobernador, no está afrontando al gobernador, está pidiendo al gobernador que cumpla su papel.",505.46,517.14,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},100,"225541","Hace ya una semana que solo veo a todo el mundo ir contra la persona en lugar de escucharla.",518.02,525.54,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},101,"225542","Solo fue escuchado ayer, por primera vez.",526.06,528.74,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},102,"225543","¿Te parece normal eso?",528.76,530.36,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},103,"225544","No me parece.",530.92,531.46,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},104,"225545","Si fuera conmigo, quiero decirte, le habría llamado a Tarcísio si yo fuera gobernador.",533.76,538.68,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},105,"225546","Le habría llamado a Tarcísio.",539.4,540.48,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},106,"225547","Tarcísio, ¿qué pasó?",541.34,542.48,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},107,"225548","Dime qué pasó.",543.3,544.14,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},108,"225549","Quiero hablar con tu chofer, quiero entender qué le pasa, cuál es su angustia.",545.24,549.64,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},109,"225550","Así es como lo trataría, ¿entiendes?",550.16,551.88,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},110,"225551","Porque así es como trato las cosas, con transparencia.",552.34,554.36,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},111,"225552","No me contradigo.",555.02,557.12,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},112,"225553","Evalúa, hombre, la cámara.",557.62,558.72,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},113,"225554","El tipo lo está pidiendo, ¿no evaluaron 70 cámaras?",558.76,561.18,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},114,"225555","Evalúa una más.",561.6,562.26,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},115,"225556","Solo una.",563.52,563.84,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},116,"225557","Que es la que él está pidiendo que evalúen.",564.22,565.54,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},117,"225558","Solo eso.",565.98,566.48,{"idx":873,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},118,"225559","Se acaba el asunto.",567.08,567.88,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},119,"225560","¿Es difícil hacer eso?",569.4,570.56,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":176,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},120,"225561","Nos gustaría también traer para componer aquí, ya aparecen en nuestra pantalla grande, Jasper Schoto, Lucas Mirreiro y también Helen Brown, nuestros analistas de economía que también participarán de esta entrevista.",570.8,579.46,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":176,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},121,"225562","Y precisamente retomando esta conversación nuestra aquí, en materia de seguridad, tratando la seguridad pública dentro de su plan de gobierno, ya en el primer párrafo, en varios momentos, usted y su equipo utilizan el término impunidad cero.",580.04,593.36,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":176,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},122,"225563","Y citan varios mecanismos que pueden reforzar el sistema de investigación de la policía con el gabinete conjunto.",593.9,599.92,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":176,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},123,"225564","Sin embargo, la palabra impunidad cero también termina estando respaldada por muchas decisiones de la justicia.",600.5,606.66,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":176,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":418,"indexable":179},124,"225565","Tuvimos en el Día del Padre aquí en São Paulo a un hombre que quitó la vida de sus dos hijas de 13 y 5 años de edad y que estaba en libertad condicional porque la justicia entendió que tenía un buen 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ordenadores son una vergüenza.",684.04,686.18,{"idx":986,"utterance_id":987,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":988,"start_s":989,"end_s":990,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},137,"225578","Vamos a hacer el parte por WhatsApp, como ya sucede en varios lugares.",686.54,689.92,{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},138,"225579","Y ese parte no puede pagar la venganza de nadie.",690.86,694.32,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":373,"indexable":179},"225580","Tiene que ir a un sistema de inteligencia artificial que va a ayudar a la Policía Militar a planear el patrullaje y va a ayudar a la Policía Civil a realizar una investigación que llegue al autor.",694.8,707.28,{"idx":1003,"utterance_id":1004,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1005,"start_s":1006,"end_s":1007,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},140,"225581","menos del 5%, menos del 5% de los delitos son esclarecidos.",708.82,713.58,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},141,"225582","¿Cómo vas a vivir con seguridad?",714.46,715.98,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},142,"225583","La gente piensa que si aumentan la pena, se va a resolver la criminalidad.",716.4,722.32,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},143,"225584","Puedes poner 100 años de cárcel, pero si no castigas, nadie cree en esos 100 años.",722.34,727.66,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},144,"225585","La segunda cosa es la siguiente: ¿alguna vez el Ejecutivo se sentó con el Poder Judicial, porque... se trata de delitos estatales, no son delitos federales?",728.84,738.96,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},145,"225586","Quien tiene que ocuparse de eso es el gobernador.",739.5,740.94,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":430,"indexable":179},146,"225587","¿Tiene noticia de que alguna vez un gobernador buscara al Poder Judicial para entender si podría eventualmente proponer una ley en el Congreso Nacional para endurecerla, sobre todo para delitos que conmueven a la opinión pública, que son visiblemente atroces, que indignan a todos nosotros?",741.46,760.26,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},147,"225588","¿Alguna vez vio que se llevara a cabo una reunión de trabajo?",760.9,764.56,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},148,"225589","Con la Policía Civil, la Policía Militar, el Poder Judicial, la Policía Federal —en caso de lavado de dinero— la Receita Federal, cuando se trata de crimen organizado; no veo que eso ocurra.",765.02,776.5,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":418,"indexable":179},"225590","Lo que me propongo a hacer, como está en el plan que usted leyó, es montar un gabinete institucional en el que todos tengan asiento, incluidos los órganos federales, cuya ayuda Tarcísio rechaza porque él cree que perjudica la autonomía del Estado.",777.42,793.46,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},150,"225591","Eso es un absurdo.",793.92,794.82,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},151,"225592","Si no une todas las fuerzas de la república para combatir el crimen organizado, va a perder frente al crimen organizado.",795.38,801.76,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":176,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},152,"225593","Candidato, ¿qué tipo de cambio podría usted proponer para el Poder Judicial, para el Poder Judicial directamente mediante una propuesta de ley?",801.98,808.38,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},153,"225594","Mire, va a haber un gabinete institucional con todas las policías del país con asiento.",809,814.72,{"idx":1086,"utterance_id":1087,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1088,"start_s":1089,"end_s":1090,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},154,"225595","Policía penitenciaria, civil, militar, federal, con asiento.",814.82,818.42,{"idx":1092,"utterance_id":1093,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1094,"start_s":1095,"end_s":1096,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},155,"225596","Tendrá a los ministerios públicos con asiento.",818.6,820.96,{"idx":1098,"utterance_id":1099,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1100,"start_s":1101,"end_s":1102,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},156,"225597","Tendrá la Receita Federal y el 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que está afectando al 60 o 70% de la población.",829.24,834.88,{"idx":1134,"utterance_id":1135,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1136,"start_s":1137,"end_s":1138,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},162,"225603","Cuando usted le pregunta a un ciudadano paulista cuál es el mayor problema de São Paulo, el 60 o 70% responde que es la seguridad.",835.66,841.54,{"idx":1140,"utterance_id":1141,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1142,"start_s":1143,"end_s":1144,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},163,"225604","Entonces, si el gobernador no tiene el coraje de asumir la responsabilidad, no será el secretario quien la resuelva.",841.88,847.98,{"idx":1146,"utterance_id":1147,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1148,"start_s":1149,"end_s":1150,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},164,"225605","No será el comandante quien lo 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libertad de poder llamar a un número y decir... 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ese gabinete y de una integración de las policías estatales, más las policías... y tecnología e inteligencia.",983.32,989.44,{"idx":1365,"utterance_id":1366,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1367,"start_s":1368,"end_s":1369,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},201,"225642","Eso.",989.66,989.88,{"idx":1371,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},202,"225643","Y mirando el delito más común en el día a día de las personas, que es el robo de celular, el asalto a mano armada y muchas veces el ciudadano termina disparando contra la persona y así sucesivamente.",990.02,1001.28,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},203,"225644","¿Eso no requeriría también la integración con los municipios?",1001.98,1005.16,{"idx":386,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},"225645","¿Y si efectivamente eso llega a ocurrir?",1005.32,1006.92,{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},205,"225646","¿Es posible trabajar con todos, incluso en la capital paulista con Ricardo Nunes?",1007.46,1011.6,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},206,"225647","Es posible, es deseable, porque la propuesta que está sobre la mesa es la del sistema único de seguridad pública.",1011.62,1018.94,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":412,"indexable":179},207,"225648","Y yo ya, desde las elecciones de 2018, cuando fui candidato a la presidencia, defendí que los alcaldes fueran integrados a la seguridad pública, aquellos que disponen de guardia municipal, porque no todos los municipios tienen recursos para costear una guardia municipal.",1019.5,1035.62,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},208,"225649","de la ocupación del territorio.",1037.88,1039.2,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},209,"225650","es la lentitud en obtener información.",1039.74,1042.72,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},210,"225651","Por eso la denuncia policial.",1043.2,1043.9,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},211,"225652","La denuncia electrónica es tan... No sirve exigir que el tipo se siente frente a una computadora y busque el portal.",1044.02,1050.78,{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},212,"225653","Él va a tener un número, va a llamar por WhatsApp.",1051.32,1053.5,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},213,"225654","Si quiere hacerlo en audio, la inteligencia artificial pedirá los datos que necesita para formalizar la denuncia policial. Pero más importante que eso es que entre en un procesamiento de datos.",1053.62,1066.34,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},214,"225655","que permitirá a la policía civil organizar la investigación y a la policía militar.",1066.8,1071.76,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},215,"225656","Van a localizar al receptador del celular robado.",1071.88,1075.44,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},216,"225657","Tiene que desmontar el sistema de receptación.",1075.8,1079.9,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},217,"225658","El e-mail del celular estará rápidamente disponible para que nadie compre ese celular.",1080.52,1086.5,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},218,"225659","Si ese celular entra en funcionamiento, la persona automáticamente dirá dónde lo compró.",1086.94,1092.04,{"idx":1472,"utterance_id":1473,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1474,"start_s":1475,"end_s":1476,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},219,"225660","el celular y saber que ese celular no es legítimo.",1092.84,1095.78,{"idx":1478,"utterance_id":1479,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1480,"start_s":1481,"end_s":1482,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},220,"225661","Además, el gobierno federal ya puso en internet los correos electrónicos de los celulares robados.",1096.06,1100.66,{"idx":1484,"utterance_id":1485,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1486,"start_s":1487,"end_s":1488,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},221,"225662","Todo esto necesita agilidad y rapidez.",1101.3,1103.34,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":1491,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1492,"start_s":1493,"end_s":1494,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},222,"225663","Y lo que se ve en São Paulo es solo lentitud.",1104.2,1106.5,{"idx":1496,"utterance_id":1497,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1498,"start_s":1499,"end_s":1500,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},223,"225664","Solo lentitud.",1107.06,1107.66,{"idx":1502,"utterance_id":1503,"speaker_name":176,"text":1504,"start_s":1505,"end_s":1506,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},224,"225665","Vamos a cumplir ya y abrir un espacio aquí para nuestros comentaristas.",1108.18,1110.84,{"idx":1508,"utterance_id":1509,"speaker_name":176,"text":1510,"start_s":1511,"end_s":1512,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},225,"225666","Comienzo con tu pregunta, Ellen 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ingreso del trabajador, pero cuando seguimos encuestas cualitativas, lo que oigo del elector es deuda, precios altos, dificultad para mantener la calidad de vida.",1120.98,1137.08,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":176,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},231,"225672","Usted estuvo al frente del Ministerio de Hacienda y quería que me dijera... ¿Cuál es su lectura?",1137.64,1143.2,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":176,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":240,"indexable":179},232,"225673","¿Por qué la mejora del ingreso no se traduce más aquí en Brasil en una mejora de la calidad de vida, en la percepción de mejora de la calidad de vida?",1143.28,1152.72,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},233,"225674","Mire, en primer lugar, nos encontramos con las cuentas muy desordenadas por Bolsonaro.",1154.02,1159.2,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},234,"225675","Bolsonaro dejó un pasivo que yo diría si se suman el stock de impagos que dio más lo que contrató de gasto futuro.",1159.88,1169.88,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},235,"225676","Estamos hablando de algo en torno a 300 mil millones.",1170.4,1172.86,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},236,"225677","Y voy a decir punto por punto a qué se refiere.",1174.14,1178.08,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},237,"225678","El presupuesto que él envió para 2023 ya tenía un déficit de 60 y pocos 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millones.",1201.1,1203.22,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},242,"225683","Entonces usted toma los gastos que él contrató en asistencia y educación, básicamente el Fundeb y el BPC, y tiene las cuentas cerradas, se lo estoy diciendo.",1204.64,1213.96,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},243,"225684","Entonces fueron años muy duros en el gobierno federal para arreglar esa cuenta.",1214.52,1218.14,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},"225685","El presupuesto que va para el año que viene, para el Congreso, entra con superávit, a diferencia de lo que Bolsonaro envió al Congreso para 2023.",1218.58,1226.78,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},245,"225686","Es decir, sea quien sea el presidente, recibirá en 2027 las cuentas mucho mejores de lo que el presidente Lula recibió en 2023.",1227.92,1236.38,{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},246,"225687","Entonces, es un proceso.",1237.22,1238.24,{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},247,"225688","Ahora, estamos batiendo récords de exportación, estamos batiendo récords de consumo, estamos batiendo récords de venta de vehículos, de compra de apartamentos.",1238.72,1249.86,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},248,"225689","Esos son datos que la prensa ha divulgado en los últimos meses.",1250.5,1254.58,{"idx":1649,"utterance_id":1650,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1651,"start_s":1652,"end_s":1653,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},249,"225690","Récord tras récord de producción.",1255.24,1257.66,{"idx":1655,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},250,"225691","Entonces, quiero creer: usted puede mirar el vaso medio vacío o el vaso medio lleno, pero de que estamos en una condición mucho mejor hoy que hace cuatro años, no tengo la menor duda.",1258.5,1270.28,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":1662,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1663,"start_s":1664,"end_s":1665,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},251,"225692","Tanto desde el punto de vista de las cuentas públicas como desde el punto de vista del potencial de crecimiento futuro.",1270.74,1275.64,{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":176,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},252,"225693","Lucas Merreiro.",1276.46,1276.98,{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},253,"225694","Candidato, volviendo a hablar sobre seguridad pública, hasta porque usted, en una entrevista, dijo que quería ser el candidato de la seguridad pública.",1277.84,1283.96,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":373,"indexable":179},254,"225695","El problema es que su partido, el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), siempre votó históricamente en contra de medidas de mayor punitividad o medidas que alteren el Código de Proceso Penal para evitar progresión de pena, salidas temporales, entre otros.",1284.4,1296.46,{"idx":1685,"utterance_id":1686,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1687,"start_s":1688,"end_s":1689,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},255,"225696","Incluso, durante el gobierno del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), a nivel federal, las organizaciones criminales se fortalecieron, se profesionalizaron, dominaron nuevas rutas de tráfico, llegaron a dominar incluso territorios en varios lugares alrededor de Brasil.",1296.92,1311.02,{"idx":1691,"utterance_id":1692,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1693,"start_s":1694,"end_s":1695,"word_count":357,"indexable":179},256,"225697","Mi pregunta es la siguiente, y para empeorar aún más, el gobierno del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) recibió en sus ministerios, incluso en el Ministerio de Justicia, a miembros ligados al Comando Vermelho y al PCC.",1311.46,1322.32,{"idx":1697,"utterance_id":1698,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1699,"start_s":1700,"end_s":1701,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},257,"225698","Usted, en caso de ser elegido gobernador de São Paulo, ¿haría algo diferente a su partido o esas personas también tendrían acceso al Palacio?",1323.08,1330.48,{"idx":1703,"utterance_id":1704,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1705,"start_s":1706,"end_s":1707,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},258,"225699","Mire, no recuerdo lo que usted está diciendo.",1331.76,1335.8,{"idx":1709,"utterance_id":1710,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1711,"start_s":1712,"end_s":1713,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},259,"225700","Pero el comandante general de la Policía Militar, que era de Tarcísio, fue apartado porque el Ministerio Público encontró sospechas de vínculo con el PCC.",1336.3,1345.74,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},260,"225701","Coroneles de la Policía Militar fueron sorprendidos en una colonia de vacaciones con miembros del PCC.",1346.34,1353.1,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},261,"225702","Entonces, veo muchos más problemas aquí en el gobierno del Estado que en cualquier otro lugar, hasta porque la atribución de la seguridad pública es constitucionalmente... del gobernador.",1353.92,1366.42,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},262,"225703","Y quien debería estar apoyando la PEC de seguridad para dividir responsabilidades con el gobierno federal es el gobernador, que rechazó el apoyo federal.",1367.06,1378.78,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},263,"225704","No sé por qué.",1379.5,1380.16,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},264,"225705","La mayor operación de combate al crimen organizado jamás realizada fue Carbono Oculto, que fue patrocinada por la Receita Federal, por iniciativa de mi ministerio.",1380.58,1389.96,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},265,"225706","La mayor... La lucha contra la corrupción aquí en la alcaldía de São Paulo fue de mi gestión.",1390.74,1396.22,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":240,"indexable":179},266,"225707","La mafia del ISS fue desbaratada, el túnel Roberto Marinho fue suspendido, la mafia de la Feria da Madrugada terminó, Controlar paró con ese simulacro de inspección vehicular.",1396.72,1409.34,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},267,"225708","Entonces, si usted toma el historial de lo que la Policía Federal ha hecho en el país, verá que fue en nuestros gobiernos.",1410.06,1419.82,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},268,"225709","Al contrario, en el gobierno de Bolsonaro... Lo que sucedió fue el cambio de ministros, cambio de director general de la Policía Federal, cambio de superintendente, para, declaradamente, por el presidente de la República de entonces, proteger a sus hijos y a sus amigos.",1420.22,1437.06,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},269,"225710","Él declaró eso públicamente.",1437.38,1439.12,{"idx":1775,"utterance_id":1776,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1777,"start_s":1778,"end_s":1779,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},270,"225711","Entonces, no veo esa descripción; creo que no corresponde a los hechos.",1439.82,1444.84,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},271,"225712","Pienso que, ya lo dije aquí, si usted continúa con ese grado de impunidad, puede aumentar las penas, reducir la edad mínima de responsabilidad penal.",1445.36,1457.44,{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},272,"225713","Puede hacer lo que quiera.",1457.64,1459.1,{"idx":1793,"utterance_id":1794,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1795,"start_s":1796,"end_s":1797,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},273,"225714","Mientras haya impunidad en el 95% o más de los delitos.",1459.74,1466.38,{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},274,"225715","Imagínese, el delito de homicidio en São Paulo llegó a ser esclarecido uno de cada tres.",1467.1,1472.62,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},275,"225716","En el mundo desarrollado, aquí en el Distrito Federal de Brasil, más del 90% de los homicidios son esclarecidos.",1473.92,1481.34,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},276,"225717","En São Paulo llegó al 31%.",1481.86,1483.82,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},277,"225718","El último dato que tengo del Sol da Paz es 31%.",1484,1488.38,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},"225719","Es decir, si el gobernador... No dije que quiero ser el candidato de la seguridad pública.",1489.08,1493.3,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},279,"225720","Dije que quiero ser el gobernador de la seguridad pública.",1493.86,1496.74,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},280,"225721","Porque no existe candidato de la seguridad pública.",1497.5,1499.46,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},281,"225722","Ahora, ¿cuándo ha presentado un candidato un plan ejecutivo con la densidad que presentamos hace días?",1499.72,1508.04,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},282,"225723","¿Cuándo ocurrió eso?",1508.68,1509.74,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},283,"225724","En cualquier elección.",1510.1,1510.84,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},284,"225725","Entonces, quiero hacer un trabajo serio y yo, gracias a Dios, cuando pasé por el Ministerio de Hacienda y por el de Educación, dejé las cosas organizadas.",1511.72,1521.54,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},285,"225726","São Paulo aquí recibió grado de inversión gracias a la recuperación de las finanzas que se hizo en mi gobierno.",1522.76,1529.58,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},286,"225727","El plan director de São Paulo es considerado uno de los mejores del mundo.",1529.92,1532.66,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},287,"225728","Y le digo a usted, si ese plan que presenté hace días se ejecuta... Tendremos resultados rápidos en seguridad pública.",1533.46,1541.88,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},288,"225729","No quedará esa sensación de inseguridad por todos lados, feminicidios explotando, racismo explotando.",1542.28,1548.96,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},289,"225730","Las cifras son exorbitantes en São Paulo.",1549.9,1553.72,{"idx":1894,"utterance_id":1895,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1896,"start_s":1897,"end_s":1898,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},290,"225731","Y tenemos que responsabilizar a quien corresponda.",1554.5,1558.44,{"idx":1900,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},291,"225732","No hay cómo eludir la responsabilización de quienes se encargan de la seguridad pública en el Estado.",1558.74,1563.84,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":176,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},"225733","Merreiro, ¿quiere hacer solo algún... apunte rápidamente, amigo mío?",1564.06,1567.52,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":176,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},293,"225734","Sí, rápidamente, candidato.",1567.56,1569.02,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":176,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},294,"225735","Solo para refrescar su memoria, ya que dijo que no recuerda ese hecho que fue tan grave.",1569.04,1572.84,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":176,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},295,"225736","Luciane Barbosa de Farias, conocida como Dama do Tráfico, visitó el Ministerio de Justicia en Brasilia en 2023.",1573.18,1578.76,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":176,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},296,"225737","Fue uno de los primeros grandes escándalos de esta tercera gestión de Lula.",1579,1583.5,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":176,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},297,"225738","Otros miembros vinculados al PCC, ONGs vinculadas al PCC, también visitaron ministerios.",1583.84,1588.96,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":176,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},298,"225739","Entonces, me gustaría tener una respuesta un poco más clara.",1589.24,1591.34,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":176,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},299,"225740","¿Usted considera eso un error del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores)?",1593.12,1594.64,{"idx":494,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":176,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},"225741","¿No lo haría en caso de ser elegido gobernador, o esas personas tendrían acceso al Palacio también en el gobierno del Estado?",1595.2,1602.34,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":176,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},301,"225742","Ni acceso al Palacio, ni acceso al Comando General de la Policía Militar.",1602.9,1607.02,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":176,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},302,"225743","Porque esa pregunta usted también debería hacerla a quien está en el gobierno del Estado.",1607.82,1611.76,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":176,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},"225744","Y usted tendrá oportunidad mañana de hacerlo.",1612.94,1614.76,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":176,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},304,"225745","Él todavía tendrá que dejar esa sotana.",1614.78,1616,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":176,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},305,"225746","¿Jess?",1617.12,1617.5,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":176,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},306,"225747","Jess Peixoto.",1617.52,1618.06,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":176,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},307,"225748","Hola, ministro, ¿todo bien?",1618.08,1620.24,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":176,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},308,"225749","Mi pregunta es sobre algo que está en boca de todos los brasileños en este momento y está íntimamente ligado a su paso por el Ministerio de Hacienda.",1620.3,1628.82,{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":176,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},309,"225750","La situación de las apuestas.",1629.16,1630.42,{"idx":2011,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":176,"text":2013,"start_s":2014,"end_s":2015,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},310,"225751","Y aquí, para ser más específico, la voy a separar en dos grupos.",1630.54,1634,{"idx":2017,"utterance_id":2018,"speaker_name":176,"text":2019,"start_s":2020,"end_s":2021,"word_count":406,"indexable":179},311,"225752","Las apuestas que provienen de grupos de apuestas de eventos deportivos reales, como por ejemplo el fútbol, y los juegos en línea, las tragamonedas virtuales, como es el caso del ejemplo más conocido por la sociedad, el juego del tigrinho.",1634.5,1647.86,{"idx":2023,"utterance_id":2024,"speaker_name":176,"text":2025,"start_s":2026,"end_s":2027,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},312,"225753","Cuando le preguntan sobre esto, ¿usted tiende a decir que esto fue legalizado?",1648.16,1653.86,{"idx":2029,"utterance_id":2030,"speaker_name":176,"text":2031,"start_s":2032,"end_s":2033,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},313,"225754","La parte de los juegos deportivos reales, los eventos reales, en el gobierno de Michel Temer.",1653.9,1659.66,{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":176,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},314,"225755","Pero olvida mencionar que lo que atañe a los juegos randómicos, aleatorios, esas tragamonedas como el Tigrinho, fueron legalizados en el gobierno de Lula a partir de una lógica de movilización que incluía la base del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores).",1660.08,1674.7,{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":176,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},315,"225756","Tanto es así que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), en ambas cámaras, defendió la enmienda que añadía esos juegos que sabemos que hoy son una... pandemia, como usted mismo lo llamó.",1675.32,1685.74,{"idx":2047,"utterance_id":2048,"speaker_name":176,"text":2049,"start_s":2050,"end_s":2051,"word_count":526,"indexable":179},316,"225757","En retrospectiva, dado que el Ministerio de Hacienda no presentó veto, no hubo sugerencia de veto al presidente Lula, incluso hubo un informe del Ministerio de Hacienda que fue utilizado por uno de los relatores en la Cámara de Diputados, que mencionaba que ya se sabía que alrededor del 70% de la recaudación vendría... de esos juegos que tan mal hacen a la sociedad.",1686.24,1710.54,{"idx":2053,"utterance_id":2054,"speaker_name":176,"text":2055,"start_s":2056,"end_s":2057,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},317,"225758","Pero usted creía y defendía que el beneficio recaudatorio sería extremadamente alto, alcanzando la cifra de 6.000 millones, si no me equivoco, en una entrevista con Globo News.",1710.96,1721.32,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":176,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},"225759","Sabemos las consecuencias de añadir, de no vetar estos que son dañinos para la sociedad.",1721.72,1727.54,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":176,"text":2066,"start_s":2067,"end_s":2068,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},319,"225760","¿Se arrepiente usted y piensa que aquella decisión fue un error?",1727.96,1731.56,{"idx":2070,"utterance_id":2071,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2072,"start_s":2073,"end_s":2074,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},320,"225761","No, en realidad, yo... estoy en contra del juego electrónico de cualquier tipo.",1733.26,1737.78,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},321,"225762","No estoy a favor.",1738.32,1739.72,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},322,"225763","Creo que Bolsonaro se equivocó mucho al dejar todo liberalizado.",1739.74,1744.2,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},323,"225764","No es cualquier juego.",1744.92,1746.72,{"idx":2094,"utterance_id":2095,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2096,"start_s":2097,"end_s":2098,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},324,"225765","Bolsonaro, para que usted se haga una idea, pasó cuatro años sin hacer nada al respecto.",1747.34,1752.38,{"idx":2100,"utterance_id":2101,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2102,"start_s":2103,"end_s":2104,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},325,"225766","Eso se convirtió en una industria que sostiene a los medios de comunicación, que sostiene a los equipos de fútbol.",1752.98,1759.64,{"idx":2106,"utterance_id":2107,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2108,"start_s":2109,"end_s":2110,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},326,"225767","No sé cuántos medios de comunicación... sobrevivirían sin la publicidad de las apuestas.",1760.4,1767.14,{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2114,"start_s":2115,"end_s":2116,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},327,"225768","Y hoy existe un gran lobby de los medios de comunicación para no acabar con las apuestas, porque alegan que quebrarían sin el dinero del juego.",1768.36,1777.78,{"idx":2118,"utterance_id":2119,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2120,"start_s":2121,"end_s":2122,"word_count":27,"indexable":179},328,"225769","Los equipos de fútbol también se quejan mucho de la posibilidad de acabar con las apuestas, porque dicen que hoy están financiados, todos los equipos de la primera división, de la segunda división, están financiados por las apuestas.",1778.34,1792.56,{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},329,"225770","Creo que no vale la pena permitir las apuestas.",1793.02,1794.78,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},330,"225771","Creo que Temer se equivocó, creo que Bolsonaro se equivocó.",1795.24,1797.68,{"idx":2136,"utterance_id":2137,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2138,"start_s":2139,"end_s":2140,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},331,"225772","Ahora, el Ministerio de Hacienda no puede dejar una actividad legalizada sin la tributación debida.",1798.42,1811.02,{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},332,"225773","Porque todo el mundo, yo pago impuestos, usted paga impuestos.",1811.6,1814.48,{"idx":2148,"utterance_id":2149,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2150,"start_s":2151,"end_s":2152,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},333,"225774","Y este país vivió cuatro años del gobierno de Bolsonaro sin cobrar impuesto a las apuestas.",1814.94,1821.12,{"idx":2154,"utterance_id":2155,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2156,"start_s":2157,"end_s":2158,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},334,"225775","Y dejando que corriera suelto.",1822.02,1823.34,{"idx":2160,"utterance_id":2161,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2162,"start_s":2163,"end_s":2164,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},335,"225776","Los niños apostaban en las apuestas.",1823.9,1825.6,{"idx":2166,"utterance_id":2167,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2168,"start_s":2169,"end_s":2170,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},336,"225777","Beneficiario de los programas sociales, como Bolsa Família, podía apostar en las apuestas.",1827.1,1833.6,{"idx":2172,"utterance_id":2173,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2174,"start_s":2175,"end_s":2176,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},337,"225778","Es decir, era una situación de descuido total.",1834.26,1837.38,{"idx":2178,"utterance_id":2179,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2180,"start_s":2181,"end_s":2182,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},338,"225779","Y curiosamente, Bolsonaro nunca fue cuestionado por eso.",1838,1841.94,{"idx":2184,"utterance_id":2185,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2186,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2188,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},339,"225780","Nunca fue cuestionado.",1842.26,1843.32,{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},340,"225781","Pasó cuatro años sin hacer nada.",1844.3,1846.38,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},341,"225782","¿Sabe usted quiénes son los partidos políticos involucrados con las apuestas?",1847.16,1850.52,{"idx":2202,"utterance_id":2203,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2204,"start_s":2205,"end_s":2206,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},342,"225783","Dudo que usted tenga duda de quiénes son los políticos que tienen asociación con el Bete.",1851.26,1858.08,{"idx":2208,"utterance_id":2209,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2210,"start_s":2211,"end_s":2212,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},343,"225784","No me consta que ningún político del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) tenga asociación con el Bete.",1858.64,1862.48,{"idx":2214,"utterance_id":2215,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2216,"start_s":2217,"end_s":2218,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},344,"225785","Pero sé de partidos de la base, inclusive del gobernador Tarcísio, que tienen asociación con el Bete.",1862.92,1868.56,{"idx":2220,"utterance_id":2221,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2222,"start_s":2223,"end_s":2224,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},345,"225786","Eso no es ilegal.",1869.12,1870,{"idx":2226,"utterance_id":2227,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2228,"start_s":2229,"end_s":2230,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},346,"225787","Lo digo porque usted hizo una provocación y una acusación grave.",1870.6,1875.62,{"idx":2232,"utterance_id":2233,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2234,"start_s":2235,"end_s":2236,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},347,"225788","Pero puedo decirte que en la base de Tarcísio... Hay mucha gente que trabaja con Bete en el Congreso Nacional.",1876.24,1883.44,{"idx":2238,"utterance_id":2239,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2240,"start_s":2241,"end_s":2242,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},348,"225789","Nunca fui recibido, nunca recibí a un parlamentario del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) hablando de Bete.",1883.98,1890.4,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},349,"225790","Y, lamentablemente, recibí a parlamentarios de los partidos de la base de Tarcísio que defienden a las betes.",1891,1897.54,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},350,"225791","Incluso estaban en contra de la tributación de las betes, lamentablemente.",1897.94,1902.22,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},351,"225792","Querían que esa actividad estuviera exenta de impuestos.",1902.5,1905.82,{"idx":2262,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},352,"225793","Y yo estoy en contra de las betes.",1905.98,1907.66,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},353,"225794","Y en contra de que la Bete funcione sin pagar impuestos.",1908.24,1910.62,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},354,"225795","Esa es mi posición personal.",1910.7,1912.12,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":176,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},355,"225796","Candidato, durante la definición de su candidatura hubo mucho trasfondo en la prensa sobre su falta de voluntad de postularse al gobierno del Estado de São Paulo.",1912.44,1920.52,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":176,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},356,"225797","Algunos incluso ironizaron sobre una candidatura coercitiva, haciendo una comparación con una conducción coercitiva cuando la persona es llevada a declarar ante la Policía Federal.",1921,1930.42,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":176,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},357,"225798","Me gustaría saber qué diría usted al elector que mira con desconfianza su... voluntad de ser gobernador de São Paulo.",1930.98,1941.22,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":176,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},358,"225799","Y entonces usted puede conversar directamente con la audiencia.",1941.24,1943.38,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},359,"225800","Mire, yo jamás haré lo que hizo Tarcísio.",1944.5,1947.9,{"idx":2310,"utterance_id":2311,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2312,"start_s":2313,"end_s":2314,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},360,"225801","Tarcísio vino aquí impuesto por Bolsonaro, él quería ser senador por Goiás, y efectivamente no gobernó.",1948.44,1956.66,{"idx":2316,"utterance_id":2317,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2318,"start_s":2319,"end_s":2320,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},361,"225802","El Estado de São Paulo está creciendo 0,5% al año, frente al 2,3% de Brasil.",1957.36,1964.08,{"idx":2322,"utterance_id":2323,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2324,"start_s":2325,"end_s":2326,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},362,"225803","El Estado de São Paulo cayó al décimo lugar.",1964.76,1967.22,{"idx":2328,"utterance_id":2329,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2330,"start_s":2331,"end_s":2332,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},363,"225804","en educación, un Estado que ya lideró los indicadores de calidad de la educación.",1967.66,1972.94,{"idx":2334,"utterance_id":2335,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2336,"start_s":2337,"end_s":2338,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},364,"225805","La fila del SUS en São Paulo disminuyó menos que en los otros Estados.",1973.56,1977.7,{"idx":2340,"utterance_id":2341,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2342,"start_s":2343,"end_s":2344,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},365,"225806","Las finanzas de São Paulo están deterioradas.",1979.72,1982.94,{"idx":2346,"utterance_id":2347,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2348,"start_s":2349,"end_s":2350,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},366,"225807","Tarcísio recibió el Estado con 19 mil millones en caja, vendió por 13 a Sabesp y obtuvo 12 como regalo del gobierno federal que renegoció la deuda del Estado.",1983.68,1996.82,{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},367,"225808","Hoy, São Paulo tiene 5 mil millones en caja libre.",1997.22,2000.02,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},368,"225809","Las cosas no están bien.",2000.84,2002.3,{"idx":2364,"utterance_id":2365,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2366,"start_s":2367,"end_s":2368,"word_count":240,"indexable":179},369,"225810","Por todas esas razones, puedo garantizarle que voy a revertir esta situación en la salud, en la educación, en la seguridad, en las finanzas del Estado y en la economía del Estado.",2003.16,2014.9,{"idx":2370,"utterance_id":2371,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2372,"start_s":2373,"end_s":2374,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},370,"225811","Son esas cinco razones las que me dan la certeza de que puedo ayudarle a usted que me está escuchando a mejorar su condición de vida.",2015.32,2022.04,{"idx":2376,"utterance_id":2377,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2378,"start_s":2379,"end_s":2380,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},371,"225812","El Estado no está bien gobernado.",2022.96,2024.34,{"idx":2382,"utterance_id":2383,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2384,"start_s":2385,"end_s":2386,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},372,"225813","Estaba de paso para ser candidato a presidente de la República, no hizo la tarea.",2025,2029.86,{"idx":2388,"utterance_id":2389,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2390,"start_s":2391,"end_s":2392,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},373,"225814","Las cosas no están yendo hacia adelante.",2030.04,2032.32,{"idx":2394,"utterance_id":2395,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2396,"start_s":2397,"end_s":2398,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},374,"225815","Hace muchos y muchos años que no veo un gobierno estadual debiendo tanto, no solo por lo que prometió, sino por lo que hizo que el Estado retrocediera.",2032.7,2042.98,{"idx":2400,"utterance_id":2401,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2402,"start_s":2403,"end_s":2404,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},375,"225816","Esas cosas requieren pulso firme para ser revisadas.",2043.74,2047.88,{"idx":2406,"utterance_id":2407,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2408,"start_s":2409,"end_s":2410,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},376,"225817","Tal como está, no puede continuar.",2048.22,2050.34,{"idx":2412,"utterance_id":2413,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2414,"start_s":2415,"end_s":2416,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},377,"225818","Lo digo como paulista, nacido aquí.",2050.78,2053.36,{"idx":2418,"utterance_id":2419,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2420,"start_s":2421,"end_s":2422,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},378,"225819","Crié a mis hijos aquí, a mi familia aquí.",2053.98,2056.4,{"idx":2424,"utterance_id":2425,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2426,"start_s":2427,"end_s":2428,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},379,"225820","Y es esa indignación la que me trajo aquí.",2057.02,2059.62,{"idx":2430,"utterance_id":2431,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2432,"start_s":2433,"end_s":2434,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},380,"225821","Por pedido del presidente, sí.",2060.1,2061.44,{"idx":2436,"utterance_id":2437,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2438,"start_s":2439,"end_s":2440,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},381,"225822","Pero lo que él dijo fue: profundícese en los datos de São Paulo, que usted verá que el Estado no puede seguir siendo gobernado como está.",2062.4,2070.14,{"idx":2442,"utterance_id":2443,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2444,"start_s":2445,"end_s":2446,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},382,"225823","Las cosas están retrocediendo.",2070.54,2072.24,{"idx":2448,"utterance_id":2449,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2450,"start_s":2451,"end_s":2452,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},383,"225824","Y São Paulo tiene que volver a liderar las políticas públicas más exitosas del país, porque es el Estado más rico del país.",2072.82,2079.96,{"idx":2454,"utterance_id":2455,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2456,"start_s":2457,"end_s":2458,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},384,"225825","Y no puede quedarse atrás.",2080.34,2081.54,{"idx":2460,"utterance_id":2461,"speaker_name":176,"text":2462,"start_s":2463,"end_s":2464,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},385,"225826","Candidato, quisiera retomar nuestra conversación aquí sobre las propuestas, proyectos para un eventual gobierno suyo.",2082.32,2087.98,{"idx":2466,"utterance_id":2467,"speaker_name":176,"text":2468,"start_s":2469,"end_s":2470,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},386,"225827","Entre los temas más debatidos y también demandados por la población está la salud.",2088.46,2093.16,{"idx":2472,"utterance_id":2473,"speaker_name":176,"text":2474,"start_s":2475,"end_s":2476,"word_count":240,"indexable":179},387,"225828","Y cuando hablamos de salud dentro de su plan de gobierno, existe la idea de resolver la lista de espera para atención con especialistas a partir de la telemedicina.",2093.64,2105.2,{"idx":2478,"utterance_id":2479,"speaker_name":176,"text":2480,"start_s":2481,"end_s":2482,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},388,"225829","Hoy en São Paulo... Son 11 meses para que una persona pueda llegar a una consulta con un especialista.",2105.58,2111.7,{"idx":2484,"utterance_id":2485,"speaker_name":176,"text":2486,"start_s":2487,"end_s":2488,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},389,"225830","Personas mueren esperando una cirugía electiva.",2111.76,2115.28,{"idx":2490,"utterance_id":2491,"speaker_name":176,"text":2492,"start_s":2493,"end_s":2494,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},390,"225831","La telemedicina implementada también necesita recursos humanos.",2115.74,2119.62,{"idx":2496,"utterance_id":2497,"speaker_name":176,"text":2498,"start_s":2499,"end_s":2500,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},391,"225832","¿Cuál es la forma práctica de aliviar ese cuello de botella en el sector salud?",2119.98,2124.7,{"idx":2502,"utterance_id":2503,"speaker_name":176,"text":2504,"start_s":2505,"end_s":2506,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},392,"225833","¿Se contratarán más médicos?",2124.76,2126.62,{"idx":2508,"utterance_id":2509,"speaker_name":176,"text":2510,"start_s":2511,"end_s":2512,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},393,"225834","¿Será la iniciativa privada la que entre también para no chocar con el tope salarial del funcionariado?",2126.98,2132.12,{"idx":2514,"utterance_id":2515,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2516,"start_s":2517,"end_s":2518,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},394,"225835","Mire... Primero, la salud impacta poco en el tope salarial del funcionariado, porque la mayoría de los servicios en São Paulo son realizados por OS.",2132.14,2141.18,{"idx":2520,"utterance_id":2521,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2522,"start_s":2523,"end_s":2524,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},395,"225836","Entonces usted no tiene ese tipo de problema.",2141.66,2143.68,{"idx":2526,"utterance_id":2527,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2528,"start_s":2529,"end_s":2530,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},396,"225837","El problema es de gestión.",2143.8,2145,{"idx":2532,"utterance_id":2533,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2528,"start_s":2534,"end_s":2535,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},397,"225838",2145.88,2147.2,{"idx":2537,"utterance_id":2538,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2539,"start_s":2540,"end_s":2541,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},398,"225839","Y te voy a dar un ejemplo.",2147.38,2148.4,{"idx":2543,"utterance_id":2544,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2545,"start_s":2546,"end_s":2547,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},399,"225840","Cuando lanzamos el Aqui Tem Mais Especialista, introdujimos un nuevo concepto de atención, que es el cuidado integral.",2149,2157.22,{"idx":2549,"utterance_id":2550,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2551,"start_s":2552,"end_s":2553,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},400,"225841","esa historia de que usted entra en una fila, para luego entrar en otra, para después entrar en otra.",2158.34,2162.98,{"idx":2555,"utterance_id":2556,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2557,"start_s":2558,"end_s":2559,"word_count":357,"indexable":179},401,"225842","Entonces usted entra en la fila de consulta, luego entra en la fila de examen, luego en la fila de cirugía, sin siquiera priorizar a quien puede estar al borde de la muerte.",2163.34,2172.76,{"idx":2561,"utterance_id":2562,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2563,"start_s":2564,"end_s":2565,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},402,"225843","Porque hay casos en los que la persona no recibe la prioridad necesaria para ser atendida.",2172.8,2179.32,{"idx":2567,"utterance_id":2568,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2569,"start_s":2570,"end_s":2571,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},403,"225844","Muy bien, ¿qué es el cuidado integral?",2179.8,2182.02,{"idx":2573,"utterance_id":2574,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2575,"start_s":2576,"end_s":2577,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},404,"225845","Usted recibe por la atención... integral del paciente.",2182.54,2188.22,{"idx":2579,"utterance_id":2580,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2581,"start_s":2582,"end_s":2583,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},405,"225846","El paciente va con el diagnóstico y recibirá un tratamiento integral.",2188.3,2193,{"idx":2585,"utterance_id":2586,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2587,"start_s":2588,"end_s":2589,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},406,"225847","La consulta y la eventual cirugía que necesite van en un paquete que se paga para resolver el problema y no pagar por procedimiento entrando en fila cada vez que sale de la anterior.",2193.34,2207.02,{"idx":2591,"utterance_id":2592,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2593,"start_s":2594,"end_s":2595,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},407,"225848","Esto está generando un problema grave.",2207.64,2209.44,{"idx":2597,"utterance_id":2598,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2599,"start_s":2600,"end_s":2601,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},408,"225849","Las filas en algunos estados de la federación son filas inteligentes.",2209.92,2214.2,{"idx":2603,"utterance_id":2604,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2605,"start_s":2606,"end_s":2607,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},409,"225850","incluso orientadas de acuerdo con la gravedad de la situación.",2215.02,2218.72,{"idx":2609,"utterance_id":2610,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2611,"start_s":2612,"end_s":2613,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},410,"225851","Solo para que usted tenga una idea, no sé si fue Ceará, redujo en 27% las fatalidades por infarto, porque logró, ya en el examen, por inteligencia artificial, identificar quién estaba necesitando una atención de emergencia.",2218.74,2239.74,{"idx":2615,"utterance_id":2616,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2617,"start_s":2618,"end_s":2619,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},411,"225852","Las fatalidades por accidente vascular, infarto, cayeron por cuenta de este tipo de procedimiento.",2242.12,2251.24,{"idx":2621,"utterance_id":2622,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2623,"start_s":2624,"end_s":2625,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},412,"225853","Entonces, de nuevo, estamos estancados aquí en términos tecnológicos.",2251.82,2257.5,{"idx":2627,"utterance_id":2628,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2629,"start_s":2630,"end_s":2631,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},413,"225854","Vamos a necesitar capacitar profesionales, pero más que eso.",2258.04,2260.9,{"idx":2633,"utterance_id":2634,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2635,"start_s":2636,"end_s":2637,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},414,"225855","Vamos a necesitar integrar los servicios, que hoy están fragmentados a partir de esta visión del cuidado integral.",2261.26,2267.58,{"idx":2639,"utterance_id":2640,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2641,"start_s":2642,"end_s":2643,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},415,"225856","Y no de filas interminables.",2268.08,2270.84,{"idx":2645,"utterance_id":2646,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2647,"start_s":2648,"end_s":2649,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},416,"225857","Y cuando usted termina, cuando llega su turno en la fila, es para que entre en otra.",2271.32,2276.42,{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},417,"225858","Eso es lo que está pasando en São Paulo.",2276.44,2277.82,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},418,"225859","Usted llegó a la fila de consulta, fue atendido, va a entrar en otra fila.",2278.24,2282.7,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},419,"225860","Hasta que usted sea atendido en la de cirugía, muchas veces ya han pasado años.",2283.34,2287.44,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},420,"225861","Candidato, usted habló de la ampliación de la formación de caja y habló de la venta de Sabesp, de la privatización de Sabesp.",2287.72,2294.06,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},421,"225862","Sí.",2294.3,2294.42,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},422,"225863","Encuesta reciente del Dr.",2294.68,2295.54,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},423,"225864","Afonso dijo que el 54% de los paulistas son contrarios a esa privatización, 31% son favorables.",2295.58,2302.1,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},424,"225865","¿Usted pretende, si el contrato lo permite, obviamente, retomar el control de Sabesp o no?",2303.24,2307.92,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},425,"225866","Mire, siempre cuando usted asume un cargo ejecutivo, tiene que tener mucha responsabilidad en lo que va a decir.",2308.94,2315.42,{"idx":2705,"utterance_id":2706,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2707,"start_s":2708,"end_s":2709,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},426,"225867","Sobre todo porque suelo cumplir las cosas que digo que voy a hacer.",2316.78,2321.8,{"idx":2711,"utterance_id":2712,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2713,"start_s":2714,"end_s":2715,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},427,"225868","Yo, cuando asumí aquí la Prefeitura de São Paulo, revisé varios contratos, cité algunos.",2322.5,2326.26,{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},428,"225869","El contrato de Controlar era una concesión.",2326.74,2329.06,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},429,"225870","El túnel Roberto Marinho era una obra que, según mi secretario de obras, estaba contratada un 50% más cara de lo que valía.",2329.6,2338.34,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},430,"225871","Y fui revisando contratos.",2338.94,2340.34,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},431,"225872","Allí en el gobierno federal, revisé contratos de Tarcísio en infraestructura.",2340.88,2345,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},432,"225873","Tuvimos un gran perjuicio en una renovación de contrato que él hizo con Vale.",2345.56,2349.24,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},433,"225874","Solo en una primera negociación con Vale, ésta pagó 4 mil millones más de lo que pagó cuando él era ministro.",2349.84,2355.36,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2755,"start_s":2756,"end_s":2757,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},434,"225875","gracias también al trabajo de Renan Filho, que fue su sucesor.",2355.74,2359.08,{"idx":2759,"utterance_id":2760,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2761,"start_s":2762,"end_s":2763,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},435,"225876","Voy a revisar a fondo los contratos de São Paulo.",2359.7,2361.94,{"idx":2765,"utterance_id":2766,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2767,"start_s":2768,"end_s":2769,"word_count":171,"indexable":179},436,"225877","Voy a repasar el Free Flow, la privatización de la CPTM, que casi resultó en muertes, la privatización de Sabesp, que resultó en muertes, y un empeoramiento de la calidad del servicio, que es lo más criticado en PROCON.",2362.3,2376.9,{"idx":2771,"utterance_id":2772,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2773,"start_s":2774,"end_s":2775,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},437,"225878","Hoy las mayores reclamaciones en PROCON son contra Sabesp por el servicio de agua.",2377.48,2382.42,{"idx":2777,"utterance_id":2778,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2779,"start_s":2780,"end_s":2781,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},438,"225879","La cuenta que él prometió que iba a disminuir, aumentó.",2382.88,2385.62,{"idx":2783,"utterance_id":2784,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2785,"start_s":2786,"end_s":2787,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},439,"225880","Entonces, el papel del ejecutivo es que usted realmente revise los contratos.",2386.04,2390.48,{"idx":2789,"utterance_id":2790,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2791,"start_s":2792,"end_s":2793,"word_count":424,"indexable":179},440,"225881","Además, tengo que decirte lo siguiente: del modo en que se hinchó el valor de los contratos en São Paulo, para que yo encuentre espacio presupuestario para invertir más en infraestructura, salud y educación, voy a tener que hacer un examen minucioso de los contratos.",2390.82,2405.62,{"idx":2795,"utterance_id":2796,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2797,"start_s":2798,"end_s":2799,"word_count":400,"indexable":179},441,"225882","Acabo de afirmar para usted que él, a pesar de haber dado casi 20 mil millones de caja libre, haber vendido esa Sabesp, haber recibido 12 mil millones del gobierno federal en la renegociación de la deuda, tiene caja libre de 5 mil millones.",2406.02,2419.98,{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},442,"225883","¿A dónde fue ese dinero?",2420.94,2422.06,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},443,"225884","Usted no sabe explicar.",2422.34,2424.14,{"idx":2813,"utterance_id":2814,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2815,"start_s":2816,"end_s":2817,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},444,"225885","Ahí usted toma el presupuesto, toma la pieza presupuestaria, los contratos tercerizados, todos inflados.",2424.62,2430.38,{"idx":2819,"utterance_id":2820,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2821,"start_s":2822,"end_s":2823,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},445,"225886","Entonces vamos a tener que abrir esa cuestión.",2431.1,2433,{"idx":2825,"utterance_id":2826,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2827,"start_s":2828,"end_s":2829,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},446,"225887","Otra cosa que me molesta, que veo, es que Tarcísio no puso en internet los beneficios fiscales que concede a... 1% de las empresas.",2433.4,2443.1,{"idx":2831,"utterance_id":2832,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2833,"start_s":2834,"end_s":2835,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},447,"225888","Los beneficios fiscales, São Paulo tiene miles de empresas, millones de empresas.",2443.94,2448.9,{"idx":2837,"utterance_id":2838,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2839,"start_s":2840,"end_s":2841,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},448,"225889","Él da beneficios fiscales a algunas de ellas.",2449.34,2451.42,{"idx":2843,"utterance_id":2844,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2845,"start_s":2846,"end_s":2847,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},449,"225890","Y no consigue poner en internet a quién le da el beneficio fiscal y por qué.",2451.9,2456.06,{"idx":2849,"utterance_id":2850,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2851,"start_s":2852,"end_s":2853,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},450,"225891","Incluso, hay empresas en São Paulo que hacen consultoría de planificación tributaria y presión sobre el gobierno del Estado.",2457.02,2468.2,{"idx":696,"utterance_id":2855,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2856,"start_s":2857,"end_s":2858,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},"225892","Entonces, hay empresas especializadas.",2468.88,2471.04,{"idx":2860,"utterance_id":2861,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2862,"start_s":2863,"end_s":2864,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},452,"225893","en conseguir beneficios fiscales.",2471.5,2473.2,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},453,"225894","Nada mejor que poner en internet todo lo que se concede, a quién se concede, por qué se concede, como yo hice en el gobierno federal.",2474.1,2482.42,{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},454,"225895","Entras en internet, abriste la caja negra totalmente.",2482.44,2486.3,{"idx":2878,"utterance_id":2879,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2880,"start_s":2881,"end_s":2882,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},455,"225896","Sabes a quién le diste beneficio, por qué le diste beneficio, y mandas revisar.",2486.32,2491.38,{"idx":2884,"utterance_id":2885,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2886,"start_s":2887,"end_s":2888,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},456,"225897","Eso es lo que a Tarcísio le falta decir con la verdad.",2493.7,2496.6,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},457,"225898","decir que hubo aumento de impuestos, no, fue revisión de beneficio tributario para... Para los amigos del rey.",2496.68,2504.24,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},458,"225899","Esa es la verdad.",2504.98,2505.76,{"idx":2902,"utterance_id":2903,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2904,"start_s":2905,"end_s":2906,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},459,"225900","La revisión de beneficios tributarios no tiene nada que ver con el aumento de impuestos.",2506.26,2510.26,{"idx":2908,"utterance_id":2909,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2910,"start_s":2911,"end_s":2912,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},460,"225901","Tanto es verdad que su partido votó a favor.",2511.04,2513.36,{"idx":2914,"utterance_id":2915,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2916,"start_s":2917,"end_s":2918,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},461,"225902","El partido de Tarcísio votó a favor.",2514.68,2516.14,{"idx":2920,"utterance_id":2921,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2922,"start_s":2923,"end_s":2924,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},462,"225903","Entonces queda ese juego, ¿sabes, de palabras para intentar confundir a la opinión pública.",2516.74,2521.72,{"idx":2926,"utterance_id":2927,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2928,"start_s":2929,"end_s":2930,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},463,"225904","Pero la transparencia es necesaria tanto en el gasto como en la renuncia fiscal.",2522.28,2527.38,{"idx":2932,"utterance_id":2933,"speaker_name":176,"text":2934,"start_s":2935,"end_s":2936,"word_count":412,"indexable":179},464,"225905","Bueno, tenemos 19 minutos más de ronda de preguntas, voy a dar la palabra una vez más a nuestros comentaristas y les pido objetividad en las preguntas para que podamos avanzar aquí y abrir más espacio para los cuestionamientos del plan de gobierno.",2527.92,2538.42,{"idx":2938,"utterance_id":2939,"speaker_name":176,"text":2940,"start_s":2941,"end_s":2942,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},465,"225906","Adelante, Ellen Brown.",2538.46,2539.6,{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":176,"text":2946,"start_s":2947,"end_s":2948,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},466,"225907","Sigamos entonces con la economía.",2539.62,2541.02,{"idx":2950,"utterance_id":2951,"speaker_name":176,"text":2952,"start_s":2953,"end_s":2954,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},467,"225908","Usted habla de esa revisión de contrato de la Sabesp, pero quisiera entender, porque, por ejemplo, el propio presupuesto del Estado, como usted mencionó, permite lecturas ambiguas.",2541.42,2549.82,{"idx":2956,"utterance_id":2957,"speaker_name":176,"text":2958,"start_s":2959,"end_s":2960,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},468,"225909","Se habla de un déficit presupuestario, pero al mismo tiempo, cuando se mira la venta de la Sabesp ese año, hubo una ganancia en caja.",2549.9,2559.86,{"idx":2962,"utterance_id":2963,"speaker_name":176,"text":2964,"start_s":2965,"end_s":2966,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},469,"225910","¿De dónde vendrá el dinero, los recursos para que usted administre São Paulo, si no hay privatizaciones, si hay una reestatización de la Sabesp?",2560.32,2568.46,{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":176,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},470,"225911","¿De dónde piensa sacar ese dinero?",2568.8,2570.66,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},471,"225912","No es verdad que usted deba gestionar el Estado pensando en vender patrimonio público para hacer caja.",2571.86,2577.56,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},472,"225913","Creo que el concepto de economía está equivocado.",2578.3,2580.7,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},473,"225914","Creo que una asociación privada hay que hacerla pensando en el usuario del servicio público.",2582.92,2589.02,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},474,"225915","Y no en hacer caja.",2589.68,2591,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":406,"indexable":179},475,"225916","Porque si es así, seguirán vendiendo todo el patrimonio público del país para quedar bien ante la opinión pública, que usted va a hacer dinero, pero al mismo tiempo su sucesor no tendrá patrimonio para vender.",2591.8,2604.92,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},476,"225917","Entonces, ¿cuál es el principio que debe regir la administración pública?",2605.72,2609.86,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},477,"225918","Usted tiene que tener un presupuesto equilibrado, cortar desperdicios, y hay mucho desperdicio para cortar.",2610.4,2615.94,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},478,"225919","Y hacer caja para más inversión.",2616.86,2619.24,{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},479,"225920","Y no vender una estatal para tapar el agujero de su majestad.",2619.82,2625.8,{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},480,"225921","Esa es la cuestión.",2627.4,2628.12,{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},481,"225922","Vender un patrimonio público y en lugar de hacer la tarea en lo que respecta a los gastos corrientes, yo no estoy de acuerdo con esa visión.",2628.3,2639,{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},482,"225923","Creo que usted tiene que hacer... No vendí nada en la alcaldía de São Paulo y terminé con grado de inversión.",2639.36,2644.42,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},"225924","Incluso con la revisión de la deuda que promovimos, había sido el alcalde que más invirtió en la ciudad de São Paulo, comparando con mis antecesores, desde el PITA.",2647.24,2657.02,{"idx":3051,"utterance_id":3052,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3053,"start_s":3054,"end_s":3055,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},484,"225925","Y no vendí nada.",2657.74,2658.58,{"idx":3057,"utterance_id":3058,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3059,"start_s":3060,"end_s":3061,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},485,"225926","No vendí nada.",2659.52,2660.14,{"idx":3063,"utterance_id":3064,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3065,"start_s":3066,"end_s":3067,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},486,"225927","Ahora, después de la renegociación de la deuda, la inversión creció, porque una deuda de 74.000 millones de reales desapareció del balance de la alcaldía.",2660.62,2674,{"idx":3069,"utterance_id":3070,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3071,"start_s":3072,"end_s":3073,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},487,"225928","Por dos razones.",2674.4,2675.3,{"idx":3075,"utterance_id":3076,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3077,"start_s":3078,"end_s":3079,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},488,"225929","Una fue la renegociación que hice en el Congreso Nacional.",2676.2,2679.08,{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},489,"225930","La deuda del Estado cayó de 74 a 27.000 millones.",2679.76,2683.32,{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},490,"225931","Y la otra, una acción de Adhemar de Barros, de los años 50, que terminó ahora, 70 años después, que liquidó la deuda.",2683.76,2691.74,{"idx":3093,"utterance_id":3094,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3095,"start_s":3096,"end_s":3097,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},491,"225932","Y São Paulo ya se está endeudando de nuevo.",2692.42,2694.2,{"idx":3099,"utterance_id":3100,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3101,"start_s":3102,"end_s":3103,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},492,"225933","la capital ya está debiendo más de 50.000 millones, después de haber llegado a cero la deuda.",2694.22,2697.66,{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},493,"225934","Entonces, yo pienso así: ni endeudarse demasiado, como está pasando con la Prefeitura de São Paulo,",2698.08,2703.92,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},494,"225935","ni estar vendiendo patrimonio para tapar el agujero de la mala gestión.",2704.46,2709.58,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":176,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},495,"225936","Candidato, quiero hablar un poco sobre su programa de educación, que trae detalles interesantes en el sentido de proponer una revisión completa.",2710.5,2716.96,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":176,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},496,"225937","en la situación pedagógica, principalmente por el uso excesivo de pantallas en la enseñanza.",2717.58,2723.84,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":176,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},497,"225938","Y usted habla también sobre la valorización de los profesores.",2724.28,2727.08,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":176,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},498,"225939","Mucha gente habla sobre la valorización de los profesores, pero en el momento en que asume la silla, no consigue ofrecer la valorización en términos económicos también a los profesores.",2727.58,2736.88,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":176,"text":3143,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},499,"225940","¿Cómo sería esa propuesta de reducción de pantallas y adaptación a un nuevo modelo pedagógico que también atendiera las demandas de enseñanza con valorización?",2737.72,2746.14,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":176,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},500,"225941","En dinero, en plata, en efectivo para los profesores.",2746.54,2749.22,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":176,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},501,"225942","La plata está bien.",2750.96,2753.72,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":176,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},502,"225943","Para ser muy práctico y directo.",2753.74,2755.22,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},503,"225944","Primero, el Estado se equivocó desde el punto de vista pedagógico.",2755.32,2762.28,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},504,"225945","No es normal.",2763.82,2764.5,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},505,"225946","El Estado que ya fue líder en calidad educativa está en décimo lugar.",2765.52,2768.96,{"idx":3183,"utterance_id":3184,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3173,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},506,"225947",2769.72,2770.26,{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},507,"225948","Y creo, conversando con los profesores y directores que conozco,",2771.12,2775.48,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},508,"225949","que el problema fue el proyecto político-pedagógico.",2775.98,2778.5,{"idx":3200,"utterance_id":3201,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3202,"start_s":3203,"end_s":3204,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},509,"225950","Esa cosa del slide, sustituyes el libro de texto por diapositivas.",2778.9,2783.04,{"idx":3206,"utterance_id":3207,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3208,"start_s":3209,"end_s":3210,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},510,"225951","Esa cuestión de burocratizar, no es porque tienes una plataforma que eres moderno.",2783.8,2789.8,{"idx":3212,"utterance_id":3213,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3214,"start_s":3215,"end_s":3216,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},511,"225952","Si burocratizas el llenado de la plataforma como es hoy, estás ocupando a los profesores con el tiempo precioso para preparar la clase, evaluar alumno por alumno, estás sustituyendo por una locura dentro del aula.",2790.46,2805.5,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},512,"225953","Un tercio de las escuelas de São Paulo ni siquiera tiene banda ancha suficiente para el llenado de las plataformas que la Secretaría de Educación exige.",2806.56,2814.98,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},513,"225954","Otra categoría, ojo, no hay concurso.",2815.96,2818.54,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},514,"225955","Así que, antes, lógicamente que tendremos que revisar la carrera, pero antes tenemos que reconocer que existe una carrera.",2818.58,2825.18,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},515,"225956","Y ni eso el Estado de São Paulo reconoce.",2825.6,2827.52,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},516,"225957","Existe una carrera.",2828.06,2829.14,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},517,"225958","Tienes que hacer concurso público.",2829.94,2831.56,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},518,"225959","Tienes que estabilizar a las... ¿Sabes lo que se está haciendo en São Paulo?",2831.58,2835.76,{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},519,"225960","Están usando la precariedad de la enseñanza para presionar al profesor.",2835.78,2840.14,{"idx":3266,"utterance_id":3267,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3268,"start_s":3269,"end_s":3270,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},520,"225961","Están usando así, mira, como eres precario, si no haces esto, esto, esto, te voy a despedir.",2840.16,2845.04,{"idx":3272,"utterance_id":3273,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3274,"start_s":3275,"end_s":3276,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},521,"225962","Es un error poner al profesor en contra de tu proyecto pedagógico.",2846.16,2851.14,{"idx":3278,"utterance_id":3279,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3280,"start_s":3281,"end_s":3282,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},522,"225963","Hacer un proyecto pedagógico contra el profesor.",2852.06,2854.4,{"idx":3284,"utterance_id":3285,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3286,"start_s":3287,"end_s":3288,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},523,"225964","Eso no se hace.",2854.64,2855.56,{"idx":3290,"utterance_id":3291,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3292,"start_s":3293,"end_s":3294,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},524,"225965","¿Por qué cosechamos frutos en el país con el crecimiento del IDEB año tras año?",2856.68,2861.28,{"idx":3296,"utterance_id":3297,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3298,"start_s":3299,"end_s":3300,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},525,"225966","¿Desde cuándo yo creé el IDEB?",2861.6,2862.88,{"idx":3302,"utterance_id":3303,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3304,"start_s":3305,"end_s":3306,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},526,"225967","Fui yo quien creó el IDEB como ministro de Educación, justamente para poner presión en todo el mundo para que los chicos aprendan, para que nos enfoquemos en el aprendizaje.",2864.02,2872.82,{"idx":3308,"utterance_id":3309,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3310,"start_s":3311,"end_s":3312,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},527,"225968","Y eso ha dado lugar a experiencias extraordinarias en todo Brasil.",2873.36,2878.26,{"idx":3314,"utterance_id":3315,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3316,"start_s":3317,"end_s":3318,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},528,"225969","Ahora, São Paulo no puede estar por detrás de Piauí, de Ceará, de Pernambuco, de Espírito Santo.",2878.84,2883.84,{"idx":3320,"utterance_id":3321,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3322,"start_s":3323,"end_s":3324,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},529,"225970","No puede estar por detrás de Goiás.",2884.56,2886.82,{"idx":3326,"utterance_id":3327,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3328,"start_s":3329,"end_s":3330,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},530,"225971","Hay nueve estados mejores que nosotros, con menos dinero que nosotros.",2888.3,2891.38,{"idx":3332,"utterance_id":3333,"speaker_name":176,"text":3334,"start_s":3335,"end_s":3336,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},531,"225972","Hablando de dinero y del dinero para el profesor, ¿cómo piensa usted dar esa valorización en términos económicos?",2892.84,2898.2,{"idx":3338,"utterance_id":3339,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3340,"start_s":3341,"end_s":3342,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},532,"225973","Voy a necesitar hacer un saneamiento de las cuentas.",2898.6,2901.16,{"idx":3344,"utterance_id":3345,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3346,"start_s":3347,"end_s":3348,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},533,"225974","La renegociación de la deuda va a ayudar.",2901.5,2903.24,{"idx":3350,"utterance_id":3351,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3352,"start_s":3353,"end_s":3354,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},534,"225975","La renegociación de la deuda que la Unión hizo para todos los estados, no fue sólo para São Paulo, fue para todos los estados, incluyendo São Paulo.",2903.7,2912.72,{"idx":3356,"utterance_id":3357,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3358,"start_s":3359,"end_s":3360,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},535,"225976","Sólo para que se haga una idea, São Paulo deja de pagar en intereses 1.000 millones por mes, 12.000 millones por año.",2913.12,2921.16,{"idx":3362,"utterance_id":3363,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3364,"start_s":3365,"end_s":3366,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},536,"225977","Y Tarcísio, por haber retrasado la adhesión al programa, perdió ocho meses, es decir, perdió 8.000 millones.",2922.74,2928.88,{"idx":3368,"utterance_id":3369,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3370,"start_s":3371,"end_s":3372,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},537,"225978","Podría tener en caja hoy si no hubiera retrasado la adhesión.",2929.44,2932.66,{"idx":3374,"utterance_id":3375,"speaker_name":176,"text":3376,"start_s":3377,"end_s":3378,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},538,"225979","Vamos, Jess Peixoto, rápidamente, amiga mía, sólo tenemos 12 minutos.",2934.12,2937.46,{"idx":3380,"utterance_id":3381,"speaker_name":176,"text":3382,"start_s":3383,"end_s":3384,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},539,"225980","Claro, candidato, adelante.",2937.48,2940.3,{"idx":3386,"utterance_id":3387,"speaker_name":176,"text":3388,"start_s":3389,"end_s":3390,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},540,"225981","En mi pregunta anterior hablé sobre la legalización del Tigrinho, que ocurrió en el gobierno de Lula.",2940.48,2945.86,{"idx":3392,"utterance_id":3393,"speaker_name":176,"text":3394,"start_s":3395,"end_s":3396,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},541,"225982","Ahora, vivimos en nuestro bellísimo estado de São Paulo una situación endémica.",2946.44,2951.08,{"idx":3398,"utterance_id":3399,"speaker_name":176,"text":3400,"start_s":3401,"end_s":3402,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},542,"225983","Muchas personas están enganchadas a esos juegos en línea que tienen esos sorteos.",2951.26,2956.86,{"idx":3404,"utterance_id":3405,"speaker_name":176,"text":3406,"start_s":3407,"end_s":3408,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},543,"225984","¿Cuál es la visión del señor para combatir esto?",2957.48,2960.58,{"idx":3410,"utterance_id":3411,"speaker_name":176,"text":3412,"start_s":3413,"end_s":3414,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},544,"225985","Y además, ¿cuál es la visión del señor para mejorar aspectos de inversión, de lucha contra la adicción dentro del propio estado?",2960.8,2968.4,{"idx":3416,"utterance_id":3417,"speaker_name":176,"text":3418,"start_s":3419,"end_s":3420,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},545,"225986","¿Y cómo evalúa el señor las actitudes que han venido tomando el gobernador Tarcísio de Freitas al respecto?",2968.7,2977.54,{"idx":3422,"utterance_id":3423,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3424,"start_s":3425,"end_s":3426,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},546,"225987","No vi la última parte.",2977.74,2978.84,{"idx":3428,"utterance_id":3429,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3430,"start_s":3431,"end_s":3432,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},547,"225988","¿Qué hizo Tarcísio?",2979.56,2980.42,{"idx":3434,"utterance_id":3435,"speaker_name":176,"text":3436,"start_s":3437,"end_s":3438,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},548,"225989","Las actitudes que él ha tomado en esa pauta de combatir esa pandemia de la adicción que el Tigrinho ha impulsado.",2981.18,2987.54,{"idx":3440,"utterance_id":3441,"speaker_name":176,"text":3442,"start_s":3443,"end_s":3444,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},549,"225990","¿Qué actitudes?",2988.02,2988.82,{"idx":3446,"utterance_id":3447,"speaker_name":176,"text":3448,"start_s":3449,"end_s":3450,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},550,"225991","¿Podría decirme?",2988.84,2989.74,{"idx":3452,"utterance_id":3453,"speaker_name":176,"text":3454,"start_s":3455,"end_s":3456,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},551,"225992","Las políticas que él ha aprobado.",2990.96,2992.48,{"idx":3458,"utterance_id":3459,"speaker_name":176,"text":3460,"start_s":3461,"end_s":3462,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},552,"225993","¿El señor reconoce alguna?",2992.52,2993.74,{"idx":3464,"utterance_id":3465,"speaker_name":176,"text":3466,"start_s":3467,"end_s":3468,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},553,"225994","No, pero le estoy pidiendo a usted que me diga cuál.",2994.72,2996.52,{"idx":3470,"utterance_id":3471,"speaker_name":176,"text":3472,"start_s":3473,"end_s":3474,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},554,"225995","Por ejemplo, sancionar una ley que fue, incluso, quizás el señor no lo sepa, me alegra aclararlo.",2997.08,3002.44,{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":176,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":406,"indexable":179},555,"225996","Fue incluso dada por un miembro de su partido y que hoy hace un programa específico para el tratamiento de la adicción a esas apuestas en línea aleatorias, como el juego del Tigrinho, que fueron legalizadas a costa de la recaudación en el gobierno Lula.",3002.98,3018.5,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},556,"225997","Mire, estoy en contra del juego.",3019.36,3021.72,{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},557,"225998","En contra del juego.",3021.74,3022.42,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},558,"225999","Cualquier juego.",3023,3023.7,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},559,"226000","Estoy en contra.",3024.04,3024.7,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},560,"226001","Yo no lo habría permitido; si hubiera estado en los gobiernos anteriores, no habría dejado prosperar el juego.",3025.48,3032.16,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},561,"226002","Todos.",3032.86,3033.24,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},562,"226003","Usted puede tener preferencia por algún juego; yo no tengo por ninguno.",3033.46,3036.38,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},563,"226004","Este es mejor que aquel.",3037.78,3038.82,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},564,"226005","No creo que ninguno sea bueno.",3038.92,3039.9,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},565,"226006","Creo que todos son malos.",3040.66,3041.64,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},566,"226007","Sobre todo el electrónico.",3043.84,3045.06,{"idx":3548,"utterance_id":3549,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3550,"start_s":3551,"end_s":3552,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},567,"226008","Es demasiado accesible.",3045.92,3047.4,{"idx":3554,"utterance_id":3555,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3556,"start_s":3557,"end_s":3558,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},568,"226009","La gente realmente se va a enganchar.",3048,3049.56,{"idx":3560,"utterance_id":3561,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3562,"start_s":3563,"end_s":3564,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},569,"226010","Tiene un algoritmo de adicción.",3050,3054.84,{"idx":3566,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},570,"226011","Mucha gente está enganchada en Instagram.",3056.32,3058.02,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},571,"226012","Ya es malo para la salud estar enganchado.",3059,3060.84,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},572,"226013","Pero imagina eso en el juego.",3061.18,3062.84,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},573,"226014","Eso es una perdición, eso, en mi 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aquí.",3085.46,3088.7,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},582,"226023","Lo que usted puede... es crear juegos adicionales en el Estado.",3089.38,3093.86,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3645,"start_s":3646,"end_s":3647,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},583,"226024","Eso no va a ocurrir en São Paulo.",3094.36,3095.94,{"idx":3649,"utterance_id":3650,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3651,"start_s":3652,"end_s":3653,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},584,"226025","Y si depende de mí, no lo estoy diciendo ahora.",3096.52,3099.18,{"idx":3655,"utterance_id":3656,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3657,"start_s":3658,"end_s":3659,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},585,"226026","Lo he estado diciendo desde hace dos años.",3099.48,3102.24,{"idx":3661,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},586,"226027","Mi primera declaración, cuando vi el tamaño del agujero, el tamaño del problema.",3102.34,3107.54,{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},587,"226028","Porque el gobierno de Bolsonaro, del que Tarcísio formaba parte, no se preocupaba por saber lo que estaba pasando.",3108.28,3113.78,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},588,"226029","Había gente ganando dinero, sus amigos ganando dinero, todo estaba bien.",3114.08,3118.08,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},589,"226030","Fui yo quien metió la mano en la colmena.",3118.5,3120.06,{"idx":3685,"utterance_id":3686,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3687,"start_s":3688,"end_s":3689,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},590,"226031","como ministro de Hacienda.",3120.54,3121.44,{"idx":3691,"utterance_id":3692,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3693,"start_s":3694,"end_s":3695,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},591,"226032","Cuando vi el tamaño del agujero, ya lo llamé pandemia y dije: es mejor prohibir.",3121.84,3126.84,{"idx":3697,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},592,"226033","No hay recaudación que justifique el daño que esto causa a la sociedad.",3127.44,3131.38,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},593,"226034","Entonces, no tengo un juego favorito.",3131.74,3133.76,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},594,"226035","Ah, éste sí puede, éste no puede, éste es bonitito, éste no es bonitito.",3134.12,3138.12,{"idx":3715,"utterance_id":3716,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3717,"start_s":3718,"end_s":3719,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},595,"226036","No cuente conmigo para apoyar ningún juego electrónico, porque desde hace dos años, desde que descubrí el mal que eso hace... 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también.",3157.84,3161.02,{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},599,"226040","Incluso bromeamos que es Raposo Travares y no Tavares.",3161.38,3164.14,{"idx":3745,"utterance_id":3746,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3747,"start_s":3748,"end_s":3749,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},600,"226041","Y así sucesivamente.",3164.82,3165.72,{"idx":3751,"utterance_id":3752,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3753,"start_s":3754,"end_s":3755,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},601,"226042","¿Hay alguna solución para aliviar eso?",3166.52,3168.96,{"idx":3757,"utterance_id":3758,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3759,"start_s":3760,"end_s":3761,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},602,"226043","¿Y el sector ferroviario podría beneficiarse durante su futuro gobierno para que podamos aliviar esta situación?",3169.04,3174.76,{"idx":3763,"utterance_id":3764,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3765,"start_s":3766,"end_s":3767,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},603,"226044","Mire, la idea del tren interurbano es antigua, en realidad es de Alckmin, y sólo se hizo viable porque tenemos en el gobierno federal a una persona que cree en el plan de aceleración del crecimiento.",3175.08,3189.9,{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},604,"226045","Sin PAC no hay nada de eso.",3190.62,3192.4,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},605,"226046","No hay túnel Santos-Guarujá, no hay tren interurbano, no hay metro, no hay CPTM, no hay 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recuperamos.",3209.86,3211.7,{"idx":3805,"utterance_id":3806,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3807,"start_s":3808,"end_s":3809,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},610,"226051","Solo para que usted se haga una idea, São Paulo recibió 3 mil millones de financiamiento en el gobierno Bolsonaro, porque a Bolsonaro no le gustaba Dória.",3212.12,3218.92,{"idx":3811,"utterance_id":3812,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3813,"start_s":3814,"end_s":3815,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},611,"226052","El presidente Lula ya puso 13.700, cuatro veces más.",3220.06,3224.44,{"idx":3817,"utterance_id":3818,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3819,"start_s":3820,"end_s":3821,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},612,"226053","Ni siquiera estoy hablando de la renegociación de la deuda, que son 12 por año en la caja del gobierno del Estado.",3225.24,3230.76,{"idx":3823,"utterance_id":3824,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3825,"start_s":3826,"end_s":3827,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},613,"226054","Así que todo esto que hicimos por São Paulo es para garantizar las inversiones.",3231.16,3235.02,{"idx":3829,"utterance_id":3830,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3831,"start_s":3832,"end_s":3833,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},614,"226055","Independientemente de que Tarcísio sea de la oposición.",3235.36,3237.58,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},615,"226056","A nosotros no nos importa eso.",3237.94,3238.84,{"idx":3841,"utterance_id":3842,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3843,"start_s":3844,"end_s":3845,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},616,"226057","Nos importa mejorar las condiciones de vida del pueblo de São Paulo y lo hicimos.",3239.2,3243.68,{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},617,"226058","Además, también tenemos dinero para terminar el Rodoanel.",3244.88,3247.98,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},618,"226059","Otro mandato que pasa con la promesa de terminar el Rodoanel, entregó la mitad del Rodoanel Norte.",3249.08,3254.34,{"idx":3859,"utterance_id":3860,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3861,"start_s":3862,"end_s":3863,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},619,"226060","Y la promesa era terminar el Rodoanel Norte, que es importante para sacar el tráfico del interior de São Paulo.",3255.42,3260.1,{"idx":3865,"utterance_id":3866,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3867,"start_s":3868,"end_s":3869,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},620,"226061","Cuando el alcalde, dije, es bueno sacar el CEA GESP de donde está.",3260.6,3264.44,{"idx":913,"utterance_id":3871,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3872,"start_s":3873,"end_s":3874,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},"226062","Son 15 mil camiones por día que entran a São Paulo sin necesidad.",3264.98,3269.14,{"idx":3876,"utterance_id":3877,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3878,"start_s":3879,"end_s":3880,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},622,"226063","Definí el área, lo definí en el plan director, dejé la alcaldía hace 10 años.",3269.8,3275.22,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},623,"226064","Nada, nada avanza en el gobierno estatal, porque hay que aprobar una rampa de acceso al nuevo CEA GESP.",3275.86,3282.4,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},624,"226065","Ni siquiera sé si 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gobernador no atendía.",3347.26,3355.18,{"idx":3982,"utterance_id":3983,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3984,"start_s":3985,"end_s":3986,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},640,"226081","El gobernador sólo recibe a los alcaldes para la foto de una solemne ceremonia, para transferir recursos que está obligado a transferir.",3355.52,3362.22,{"idx":3988,"utterance_id":3989,"speaker_name":176,"text":3990,"start_s":3991,"end_s":3992,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},641,"226082","¿El señor va a recibir personalmente a los alcaldes?",3362.48,3364.24,{"idx":3994,"utterance_id":3995,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":3996,"start_s":3997,"end_s":3998,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},642,"226083","Yo voy a recibirlos, toma mi agenda en el MEC (Ministerio de Educación), en la Fazenda, y mira la cantidad de alcaldes que recibí.",3364.3,3370.02,{"idx":930,"utterance_id":4000,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4001,"start_s":4002,"end_s":4003,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},"226084","Ninguno, no existe un alcalde... 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gobierno actual.",3415.94,3422.3,{"idx":4047,"utterance_id":4048,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4049,"start_s":4050,"end_s":4051,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},651,"226092","En segundo lugar.",3422.8,3423.4,{"idx":4053,"utterance_id":4054,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4055,"start_s":4056,"end_s":4057,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},652,"226093","Voy a establecer el seguro rural.",3423.84,3425.88,{"idx":4059,"utterance_id":4060,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4061,"start_s":4062,"end_s":4063,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},653,"226094","La Unión hace el plano safra.",3427.04,3428.84,{"idx":4065,"utterance_id":4066,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4067,"start_s":4068,"end_s":4069,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},654,"226095","Usted sabe que, hasta final de año, vamos a superar a Estados Unidos en exportación de 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somos los primeros en sentarnos a negociar.",3453.76,3457.68,{"idx":4095,"utterance_id":4096,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4097,"start_s":4098,"end_s":4099,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},659,"226100","Ahora, imponer todo de esa forma no es posible.",3458.22,3460.72,{"idx":4101,"utterance_id":4102,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4103,"start_s":4104,"end_s":4105,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},660,"226101","Aún más con el patrocinio de gente de aquí dentro haciendo el papel de traidor a la patria.",3461.24,3467.18,{"idx":4107,"utterance_id":4108,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4109,"start_s":4110,"end_s":4111,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},661,"226102","No se puede.",3467.3,3467.54,{"idx":4113,"utterance_id":4114,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4115,"start_s":4116,"end_s":4117,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},662,"226103","Entonces, el seguro del agro saldrá adelante; apoyaremos el plano safra federal con el seguro 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lugar.",3488.52,3494.24,{"idx":4143,"utterance_id":4144,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4145,"start_s":4146,"end_s":4147,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},667,"226108","Entonces, el Melhor Caminho tiene que volver.",3494.7,3496.84,{"idx":4149,"utterance_id":4150,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4151,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4153,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},668,"226109","Y voy a revisar cómo van a quedar los peajes.",3496.86,3501.06,{"idx":4155,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},669,"226110","Los peajes se están colocando, a veces, de una manera incluso irresponsable.",3501.94,3506.44,{"idx":4161,"utterance_id":4162,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4163,"start_s":4164,"end_s":4165,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},670,"226111","Hay gente que, para ir a trabajar, sin salir de su ciudad, está pagando peaje.",3506.5,3510.86,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4167,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4168,"start_s":4169,"end_s":4170,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},"226112","Entonces, también tendremos que revisar la política de peajes del gobierno actual.",3511.44,3514.82,{"idx":4172,"utterance_id":4173,"speaker_name":176,"text":4174,"start_s":4175,"end_s":4176,"word_count":418,"indexable":179},672,"226113","Candidato, hemos llegado aquí a la fase final de nuestra sabatina y proponemos un minuto para que usted converse directamente con la audiencia y diga por qué debería ser elegido para el gobierno del Estado de São Paulo.",3515.38,3529,{"idx":4178,"utterance_id":4179,"speaker_name":176,"text":4180,"start_s":4181,"end_s":4182,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},673,"226114","Un minuto en punto.",3529.42,3530.2,{"idx":4184,"utterance_id":4185,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4186,"start_s":4187,"end_s":4188,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},674,"226115","Mire, le pido a usted, que ama São Paulo como yo, que examine detenidamente los datos que estoy dando, porque esos datos... no están tan ampliamente divulgados.",3530.96,3542.3,{"idx":4190,"utterance_id":4191,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4192,"start_s":4193,"end_s":4194,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},675,"226116","Pero todo lo que he dicho aquí puede ser verificado por Google, por la inteligencia artificial de su preferencia.",3542.74,3548.5,{"idx":4196,"utterance_id":4197,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4198,"start_s":4199,"end_s":4200,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},676,"226117","Pregúntele a ella antes de rechazar los datos que estoy presentando.",3549.1,3553.1,{"idx":4202,"utterance_id":4203,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4204,"start_s":4205,"end_s":4206,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},677,"226118","Y es en función de esos datos que estoy presentando que me postulo ante usted como candidato a gobernador.",3553.68,3559.46,{"idx":4208,"utterance_id":4209,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4210,"start_s":4211,"end_s":4212,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},678,"226119","No estoy conforme con la situación de nuestro Estado.",3559.48,3563.48,{"idx":4214,"utterance_id":4215,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4216,"start_s":4217,"end_s":4218,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},679,"226120","Repito: las listas de espera en salud, la calidad de la educación en caída.",3563.94,3567.46,{"idx":4220,"utterance_id":4221,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4222,"start_s":4223,"end_s":4224,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},680,"226121","Los indicadores de seguridad pública, sobre todo los relativos a la mujer, a la población negra, la cuestión de las finanzas del Estado y la economía estancada.",3567.92,3576.98,{"idx":4226,"utterance_id":4227,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4228,"start_s":4229,"end_s":4230,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},681,"226122","São Paulo está creciendo poco, ofreciendo pocas oportunidades.",3577.46,3580.6,{"idx":4232,"utterance_id":4233,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4234,"start_s":4235,"end_s":4236,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},682,"226123","Y estoy seguro de que nuestro plan de gobierno dialoga con sus principales anhelos y deseos.",3581.04,3586.66,{"idx":4238,"utterance_id":4239,"speaker_name":104,"speaker_slug":103,"text":4240,"start_s":4241,"end_s":4242,"word_count":430,"indexable":179},683,"226124","Y me gustaría que usted repasara lo que estoy diciendo, tanto desde el punto de vista de los datos como desde el punto de vista de las propuestas, porque estoy seguro de que eso va a... hacer que cambie de idea, si aún no lo ha 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