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horas y 49 minutos, el Paulista TMC 1ª edición programó para esta semana una ronda de sabatinas con los principales candidatos al gobierno de São Paulo.",0.3,11.08,27,false,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":16,"speaker_name":8,"text":17,"start_s":18,"end_s":19,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1,"215633","Nuestra producción habló con las dos campañas, sugirió fechas, ofreció alternativas, hizo cambios para viabilizar la participación de ambos candidatos.",11.12,21.54,21,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":23,"speaker_name":8,"text":24,"start_s":25,"end_s":26,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},2,"215634","Sin embargo, solo uno de ellos aceptó la invitación.",21.66,24.92,8,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":30,"speaker_name":8,"text":31,"start_s":32,"end_s":33,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},3,"215635","El gobernador Tarcísio de Freitas, de Republicanos, informó que no participaría de la sabatina por incompatibilidad de 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periodo.",50.5,55.78,12,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":64,"speaker_name":8,"text":65,"start_s":66,"end_s":67,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},"215640","Para esta entrevista, también contaremos con la presencia de nuestros columnistas de la TMC, Bruno Rizzi y Wilson Pedroso.",56.24,63.04,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":69,"speaker_name":8,"text":70,"start_s":71,"end_s":72,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},"215641","Candidato, muchas gracias por su presencia.",63.9,65.98,{"idx":48,"utterance_id":74,"speaker_name":8,"text":75,"start_s":76,"end_s":77,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},"215642","Un placer, un placer estar aquí con ustedes.",66.24,67.84,{"idx":79,"utterance_id":80,"speaker_name":8,"text":81,"start_s":82,"end_s":83,"word_count":84,"indexable":13},11,"215643","Candidato, entonces, comenzaré ya preguntando: si usted fuera elegido, ¿cuál será la primera medida de gobierno?",68.62,76.36,18,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":86,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":89,"start_s":90,"end_s":91,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":93,"topic_label":94,"target_id":95,"target_proposition":96,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":98,"rationale":99,"indexable":100},"215644","Fernando Haddad","fernando-haddad","La primera medida tendrá que ser la revisión de los contratos del Estado de São Paulo con proveedores y con concesionarias.",78.94,87.4,19,"concursos-publicos","Concursos públicos","34d51a0b-5954-4df9-ac5b-4d6b431a2f41","realizar auditoría y revisión de los contratos públicos estatales","a_favor",0.95,"propone explícitamente 'revisão de contratos' como primera medida.",true,{"idx":102,"utterance_id":103,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":104,"start_s":105,"end_s":106,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},13,"215645","Voy a explicar por qué.",87.86,88.78,{"idx":108,"utterance_id":109,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":110,"start_s":111,"end_s":112,"word_count":108,"topic_slug":113,"topic_label":114,"target_id":115,"target_proposition":116,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":119,"indexable":100},14,"215646","São Paulo está en su peor momento desde el punto de vista de las finanzas públicas.",89.48,94.12,"financas-municipais","Finanzas Municipales","9212cfc8-88db-47f2-879c-7db5cfaa58c3","recuperar las finanzas del Estado","neutro_descritivo",0.75,"hace un diagnóstico fiscal crítico sin proponer una acción concreta en esta intervención.",{"idx":121,"utterance_id":122,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":123,"start_s":124,"end_s":125,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},15,"215647","Solo para que usted se haga una idea, Tarcísio heredó la caja disponible del Estado de São Paulo, del gobierno anterior, con 23 mil millones en caja.",94.82,104.22,26,{"idx":128,"utterance_id":129,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":130,"start_s":131,"end_s":132,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},16,"215648","Estamos con 5 mil millones en caja.",104.82,106.72,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":134,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":135,"start_s":136,"end_s":137,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},"215649","Tarcísio tiene un superávit presupuestario de 12 mil millones de reales por año.",107.44,111.68,{"idx":84,"utterance_id":139,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":140,"start_s":141,"end_s":142,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},"215650","Estamos con un déficit presupuestario de 9 mil millones de reales por año.",112.22,116.36,{"idx":92,"utterance_id":144,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":145,"start_s":146,"end_s":147,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},"215651","Y todo eso invirtiendo menos que el gobierno de Doria, aun habiendo vendido la Sabesp y aun habiendo tenido la condonación de parte de la deuda con la Unión, que ocurrió el año pasado.",116.9,130.5,32,{"idx":150,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":148,"topic_slug":113,"topic_label":114,"target_id":115,"target_proposition":116,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":156,"indexable":100},20,"215652","Esto es grave y para que podamos cumplir nuestro plan de gobierno... sobre todo en áreas prioritarias como seguridad, salud y educación, vamos a tener que recuperar las finanzas del Estado.",131.08,141.8,0.9,"declara la necesidad de 'recuperar as finanças' para cumplir el plan.",{"idx":20,"utterance_id":158,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":159,"start_s":160,"end_s":161,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},"215653","Entonces, en los primeros seis meses, pueden tener la certeza de que habrá mucho trabajo por delante, hacer más o menos lo que tuvimos que hacer en la gestión de Marta Suplicy y luego de Pita.",142.22,152.44,35,{"idx":164,"utterance_id":165,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":166,"start_s":167,"end_s":168,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":113,"topic_label":114,"target_id":169,"target_proposition":170,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":171,"rationale":172,"indexable":100},22,"215654","Tuvimos que revisar contrato por contrato; recortamos en promedio un 20% el gasto corriente de la alcaldía en esa época.",152.84,161.28,"d8e58f1f-9cbe-4f96-b42d-06c369428280","reducir gastos de funcionamiento de la administración pública estatal",0.78,"reivindica un recorte de gasto de ~20% como medida de gestión.",{"idx":41,"utterance_id":174,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":175,"start_s":176,"end_s":177,"word_count":62,"topic_slug":113,"topic_label":114,"target_id":169,"target_proposition":170,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":179,"indexable":100},"215655","Tendremos que hacer lo mismo con el Estado de São Paulo.",161.7,163.7,0.88,"propone replicar recortes de gasto en el Estado de São Paulo.",{"idx":181,"utterance_id":182,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":183,"start_s":184,"end_s":185,"word_count":181,"topic_slug":186,"topic_label":187,"target_id":188,"target_proposition":189,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":190,"indexable":100},24,"215656","para abrir espacio presupuestario y, entonces, sí modernizar la salud, la educación y la seguridad pública, que están con profesionales desmotivados y sin ninguna actualización tecnológica.",164.08,177.54,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Salud pública y infraestructura hospitalaria","884d8afb-4e52-4793-b970-fabf8e432652","modernizar la red pública de salud estatal","propone modernizar la salud como prioridad presupuestaria.",{"idx":192,"utterance_id":193,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":194,"start_s":195,"end_s":196,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},25,"215657","São Paulo está en la era del teléfono fijo.",178.06,180.66,{"idx":126,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":48,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":204,"target_proposition":205,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":206,"indexable":100},"215658","Vamos a poner a este Estado en la era de la inteligencia artificial.",181.1,184.98,"desburocratizacao-e-digitalizacao","Desburocratización y digitalización","cb315db1-cd50-4401-bbd0-90e2885fbeea","implementar tecnología en la administración pública","anuncia explícitamente llevar al Estado 'à era da inteligência artificial'.",{"idx":12,"utterance_id":208,"speaker_name":8,"text":209,"start_s":210,"end_s":211,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},"215659","Candidato, sobre seguridad pública, usted defiende el retorno de las cámaras corporales con grabación.",185.44,190.6,{"idx":213,"utterance_id":214,"speaker_name":8,"text":215,"start_s":216,"end_s":217,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},28,"215660","Pero algunos sectores de las fuerzas de seguridad no están de acuerdo con esa idea.",191.86,195.46,{"idx":219,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":8,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},29,"215661","¿Está usted dispuesto a financiar la implementación de esa política y a afrontar esa pauta si llega a ser gobernador de São Paulo?",195.8,201.78,{"idx":225,"utterance_id":226,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":229,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},30,"215662","Sí, lo estoy.",202.78,203.06,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},31,"215663","Estoy convencido.",203.6,204.36,{"idx":148,"utterance_id":237,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":238,"start_s":239,"end_s":240,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":243,"target_proposition":244,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":246,"indexable":13},"215664","He conversado con mucha gente de seguridad pública, con o Fórum Brasileiro de Segurança Pública, con Sol da Paz, y todo el mundo está a favor de las cámaras con grabación ininterrumpida.",204.52,214.06,"seguranca-nacional","Seguridad Nacional","6ab27ad3-1602-41bf-82be-24e22ecd7765","implementar el uso de cámaras corporales en policías",0.7,"relata que expertos están a favor, sin proponer la acción en esta intervención.",{"idx":248,"utterance_id":249,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":250,"start_s":251,"end_s":252,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},33,"215665","Además, porque donde no es ininterrumpida, y el gobernador citó el caso de París, se tienen protocolos muy rígidos.",214.54,222.7,{"idx":254,"utterance_id":255,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":256,"start_s":257,"end_s":258,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},34,"215666","Solo se apaga cuando se está haciendo el patrullaje habitual.",222.86,226.06,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":260,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":261,"start_s":262,"end_s":263,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":264,"target_proposition":265,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":266,"indexable":100},"215667","A partir del momento en que se entra en acción, la cámara tiene que estar activada.",226.46,230.24,"b5c73a0a-3cc6-48e3-a1a6-bd599a1b7f32","establecer protocolos que impidan el apagado arbitrario de cámaras corporales","afirma normativamente 'tem que estar acionada' durante una acción policial.",{"idx":268,"utterance_id":269,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":270,"start_s":271,"end_s":272,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},36,"215668","Así es en París.",230.78,231.72,{"idx":274,"utterance_id":275,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":276,"start_s":277,"end_s":278,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},37,"215669","Aquí ni eso ocurre. Aquí queda, muchas veces, al arbitrio del policía.",231.82,236.38,{"idx":280,"utterance_id":281,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":282,"start_s":283,"end_s":284,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},38,"215670","Y, a pesar de que existe el protocolo, cuando no se sigue, no hay sanción.",237.06,241.22,{"idx":286,"utterance_id":287,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":288,"start_s":289,"end_s":290,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},39,"215671","Entonces, ¿para qué una cámara que no se utiliza de la manera correcta?",241.88,246.2,{"idx":292,"utterance_id":293,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":294,"start_s":295,"end_s":296,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":243,"target_proposition":244,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":98,"rationale":297,"indexable":100},40,"215672","Entonces, la pondremos en grabación ininterrumpida y verificaremos.",246.66,249.44,"anuncia claramente 'vamos colocar ... em interrupta'.",{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":126,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":243,"target_proposition":244,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":304,"indexable":100},41,"215673","Si no va a bajar la letalidad —y estoy seguro de que la letalidad policial bajará— también disminuirán las muertes de policías en acción.",250.1,257.46,"justifica la medida esperando una reducción de la letalidad policial.",{"idx":306,"utterance_id":307,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":308,"start_s":309,"end_s":310,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},42,"215674","La cámara también es para proteger al policía.",258.36,260.58,{"idx":312,"utterance_id":313,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":314,"start_s":315,"end_s":316,"word_count":84,"indexable":13},43,"215675","No es solo para proteger al ciudadano que pasa por una zona más peligrosa y demás.",260.62,266.32,{"idx":318,"utterance_id":319,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":320,"start_s":321,"end_s":322,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},44,"215676","No es el ciudadano común.",266.66,267.54,{"idx":324,"utterance_id":325,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":326,"start_s":327,"end_s":328,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},45,"215677","Es para proteger al trabajador y para proteger al policía, que es un servidor público cuya seguridad debe ser preservada.",267.88,274.94,{"idx":330,"utterance_id":331,"speaker_name":8,"text":332,"start_s":333,"end_s":334,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},46,"215678","Candidato.",276,276.58,{"idx":336,"utterance_id":337,"speaker_name":8,"text":338,"start_s":339,"end_s":340,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},47,"215679","En economía, usted y el gobierno destacan siempre la baja tasa de desempleo, las medidas como la exención del impuesto sobre la renta hasta 5 mil reales.",277.06,287.42,{"idx":342,"utterance_id":343,"speaker_name":8,"text":344,"start_s":345,"end_s":346,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},48,"215680","Por otro lado, sus adversarios critican las tasas de interés altas y el endeudamiento de las personas.",287.82,292.14,{"idx":348,"utterance_id":349,"speaker_name":8,"text":350,"start_s":351,"end_s":352,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},49,"215681","La propia Confederação Nacional do Comércio habla de un 82% de personas endeudadas.",292.66,298.86,{"idx":354,"utterance_id":355,"speaker_name":8,"text":356,"start_s":357,"end_s":358,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},50,"215682","¿Por qué usted, como ministro, no consiguió reducir el endeudamiento de las personas?",299.56,304.24,{"idx":360,"utterance_id":361,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":362,"start_s":363,"end_s":364,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},51,"215683","Excelente pregunta.",305.1,305.96,{"idx":366,"utterance_id":367,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":368,"start_s":369,"end_s":370,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":371,"topic_label":372,"target_id":373,"target_proposition":374,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":375,"indexable":13},52,"215684","Primero, hay una confusión respecto al endeudamiento de las personas.",306.3,309.88,"politica-de-credito-e-financiamento","Política de Crédito y Financiamiento","e6ded56b-eea4-415d-972f-5e820e898d1d","evaluar el endeudamiento de las familias con base en el índice de morosidad","explica la diferencia entre endeudamiento general y morosidad sin proponer acción.",{"idx":377,"utterance_id":378,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":379,"start_s":380,"end_s":381,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},53,"215685","Cuando el Banco Central divulga el índice de endeudamiento, muchos de nosotros aquí estamos endeudados simplemente porque compramos a plazos con tarjeta de crédito.",310.48,322.6,{"idx":383,"utterance_id":384,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":385,"start_s":386,"end_s":387,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},54,"215686","El índice mejor es el índice de morosidad.",323.76,326.3,{"idx":389,"utterance_id":390,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":391,"start_s":392,"end_s":393,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},55,"215687","Porque todo el mundo que compra a plazos con tarjeta de crédito, en teoría se ha endeudado.",326.66,331.34,{"idx":395,"utterance_id":396,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":397,"start_s":398,"end_s":399,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},56,"215688","Pero eso no significa que usted esté... en una situación complicada.",331.92,335.52,{"idx":401,"utterance_id":402,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":403,"start_s":404,"end_s":405,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},57,"215689","Ahora bien, la tasa de morosidad, sí.",335.58,337.18,{"idx":407,"utterance_id":408,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":409,"start_s":410,"end_s":411,"word_count":34,"topic_slug":371,"topic_label":372,"target_id":412,"target_proposition":413,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":415,"indexable":100},58,"215690","Por eso hicimos el mayor programa de renegociación de deuda de las familias por segunda vez.",337.68,343.24,"a686c271-3c1c-47d7-9940-785ed9bd4ac2","promover la renegociación de las deudas de las familias",0.8,"reivindica haber realizado el mayor programa de renegociación como política.",{"idx":417,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},59,"215691","Hicimos el desenrolo en 2023 y repetimos ahora el desenrolo en 2026.",343.62,349.58,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},60,"215692","¿Cuál es el gran problema de la morosidad?",349.76,352.2,{"idx":429,"utterance_id":430,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":431,"start_s":432,"end_s":433,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":434,"topic_label":435,"target_id":436,"target_proposition":437,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":438,"rationale":439,"indexable":100},61,"215693","La tasa de interés de la tarjeta de crédito.",352.56,354.32,"regulacao-e-transparencia-financeira","Regulación y transparencia financiera","17447e09-c77c-41d3-9a5e-ba5cc7e5f3e6","criminalizar prácticas financieras predatorias y reprimir intereses abusivos",0.85,"declara haber limitado los intereses de la tarjeta y defender nuevas medidas.",{"idx":441,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},62,"215694","Limitamos la tasa de interés de la tarjeta de crédito y aun así los bancos van a necesitar nuevas medidas para adaptarse a los nuevos tiempos.",354.7,363.12,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},63,"215695","¿Tiene sentido cobrar un 100% de interés anual en la tarjeta de crédito cuando estás en el rotativo, cuando perdiste la cuota?",363.5,371.52,{"idx":453,"utterance_id":454,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":455,"start_s":456,"end_s":457,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},64,"215696","Este es un problema brasileño, una jabuticaba brasileña que intentamos resolver.",372.08,375.84,{"idx":459,"utterance_id":460,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":461,"start_s":462,"end_s":463,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},65,"215697","El Congreso ayudó, tomó una primera medida, pero todavía hay mucho abuso bancario.",375.88,381.08,{"idx":465,"utterance_id":466,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":467,"start_s":468,"end_s":469,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":470,"topic_label":471,"target_id":472,"target_proposition":473,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":474,"indexable":13},66,"215698","Pero tenemos la inflación acumulada más baja en cuatro años.",381.54,384.46,"politica-monetaria","Política monetaria","1e51ac14-00ee-4c8a-8f06-b5f2f325237a","reducir la tasa de inflación","cita un dato macroeconómico (inflación menor) sin proponer una nueva acción.",{"idx":476,"utterance_id":477,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":478,"start_s":479,"end_s":480,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},67,"215699","La inflación de los alimentos del gobierno de Lula es una cuarta parte de la inflación de los alimentos del gobierno de Bolsonaro.",384.9,389.44,{"idx":482,"utterance_id":483,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":484,"start_s":485,"end_s":486,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":470,"topic_label":471,"target_id":487,"target_proposition":488,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":489,"indexable":13},68,"215700","Tenemos la tasa de desempleo más baja de nuestra historia.",389.84,392.84,"a92bdab2-6f3b-44cd-8ce9-cea9610d0c64","reducir el desempleo","informa una tasa de desempleo histórica sin proponer una medida directa en esta intervención.",{"idx":491,"utterance_id":492,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":493,"start_s":494,"end_s":495,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},69,"215701","Tenemos el mayor índice de desarrollo humano de nuestra historia.",393.3,397,{"idx":497,"utterance_id":498,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":499,"start_s":500,"end_s":501,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},70,"215702","Hoy somos un país de alto desarrollo humano, gracias a la expectativa de escolaridad y a la expectativa de vida, que batió récord en Brasil.",397.48,405.88,{"idx":503,"utterance_id":504,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":505,"start_s":506,"end_s":507,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},71,"215703","Tenemos el índice de Gini más bajo de nuestra historia, que es el que mide la desigualdad.",406.46,411.34,{"idx":509,"utterance_id":510,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":511,"start_s":512,"end_s":513,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},72,"215704","Tenemos mucho por recorrer, tenemos mucho por hacer y siempre será así.",411.86,415.34,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":516,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":517,"start_s":518,"end_s":519,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},73,"215705","Todo el mundo, sobre todo Occidente, está muy conflagrado debido al ascenso de Asia.",415.68,421.26,{"idx":521,"utterance_id":522,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":523,"start_s":524,"end_s":525,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},74,"215706","pero estamos batiendo el récord de exportaciones, nos estamos transformando en el mayor productor de alimentos del mundo, estamos industrializando nuestros productos agrícolas en Brasil y convirtiéndonos en un gran supermercado del mundo.",421.66,434.42,{"idx":527,"utterance_id":528,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":529,"start_s":530,"end_s":531,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},75,"215707","Hay mucho por hacer.",434.86,436.02,{"idx":533,"utterance_id":534,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":535,"start_s":536,"end_s":537,"word_count":84,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":540,"target_proposition":541,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":542,"rationale":543,"indexable":100},76,"215708","Acabamos de aprobar el Redata, que traerá centros de datos a Brasil para procesar aquí los datos de los brasileños.",436.12,441.8,"politica-de-tecnologia-e-inclusao-digital","Tecnología y inclusión digital","c1c8d933-2f70-44cb-b21e-182b25ae54c6","aprobar legislación para atraer centros de datos y procesar datos en Brasil",0.82,"afirma la aprobación del Redata para traer centros de datos al país.",{"idx":545,"utterance_id":546,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":547,"start_s":548,"end_s":549,"word_count":128,"indexable":13},77,"215709","En fin, tenemos una agenda de desarrollo que mejorará la vida de las personas gradualmente.",442.42,447.56,{"idx":551,"utterance_id":552,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":553,"start_s":554,"end_s":555,"word_count":36,"topic_slug":556,"topic_label":557,"target_id":558,"target_proposition":559,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":560,"indexable":13},78,"215710","Recuperamos el salario mínimo.",448.04,449.54,"politica-salarial","Política salarial","d6f6a4d5-bff9-41bd-aa8c-371bf61ccacb","reajustar el salario mínimo por la inflación","reivindica haber 'recuperado o salário mínimo' como acción de gobierno.",{"idx":562,"utterance_id":563,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":564,"start_s":565,"end_s":566,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},79,"215711","que estaba congelado en el gobierno de Bolsonaro.",450.24,452.14,{"idx":568,"utterance_id":569,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":570,"start_s":571,"end_s":572,"word_count":164,"topic_slug":573,"topic_label":574,"target_id":575,"target_proposition":576,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":577,"rationale":578,"indexable":100},80,"215712","Cumplimos una promesa que Bolsonaro no cumplió, que era la exención de hasta R$ 5 mil del impuesto sobre la renta.",452.88,461.22,"politica-tarifaria","Política tarifaria","29a3d0cd-044b-4f92-a2aa-1cc1c91ea5a5","eximir parte de la población del impuesto sobre la renta",0.86,"afirma el cumplimiento de la exención del IR hasta R$5.000 como política realizada.",{"idx":580,"utterance_id":581,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":582,"start_s":583,"end_s":584,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},81,"215713","Y vamos a aprobar el 6x1 ahora.",462.84,464.52,{"idx":586,"utterance_id":587,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":588,"start_s":589,"end_s":590,"word_count":62,"topic_slug":591,"topic_label":592,"target_id":593,"target_proposition":594,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":595,"indexable":100},82,"215714","El fin de la escala 6x1 también será aprobado por el Congreso Nacional.",465.74,470,"direitos-trabalhistas","Derechos Laborales","fea1c056-8f41-4103-a52e-208b35346bea","acabar con la escala 6x1 mediante medidas efectivas","declara la intención explícita de aprobar el fin de la escala 6x1.",{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},83,"215715","Son victorias importantes para los trabajadores en un corto periodo de tiempo.",470.54,475.06,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":8,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},84,"215716","Si el señor citó Brasilia, esta semana es realmente muy agitada en la capital del país.",475.52,479.64,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":8,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},85,"215717","Y el asunto principal de la semana, el escándalo Master con las revelaciones de las conversaciones entre Daniel Vorcaro y Alexandre de Moraes.",480.08,487.34,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":8,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},86,"215718","Ante lo que ya se ha revelado y con su experiencia también en Brasilia, fue ministro de Hacienda y también de Educación, ¿cómo ve usted esta absurda crisis institucional en este momento?",487.92,498.96,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},87,"215719","Con mucha tristeza, en primer lugar.",499.72,501.54,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},88,"215720","Es muy malo ver a personas... de alta patente involucradas en este escándalo, pero quisiera hacer una referencia muy clara sobre lo que pienso al respecto.",501.96,509.76,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":330,"topic_slug":434,"topic_label":435,"target_id":638,"target_proposition":639,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":640,"indexable":100},89,"215721","En primer lugar, fui uno de los responsables por la liquidación del Banco Master, porque la operación Carbono Oculto, que fue patrocinada por la Receita Federal, vinculada al Ministerio de Hacienda, acabó con un fondo llamado REAG, que tenía bajo su paraguas tanto al Master como a la REFIT.",509.78,530.64,"cea0de88-b2be-4ddd-bb58-0491dc3389b4","realizar la liquidación de instituciones financieras irregulares","reivindica haber participado de la liquidación del Banco Master como acción.",{"idx":642,"utterance_id":643,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":644,"start_s":645,"end_s":646,"word_count":148,"indexable":13},90,"215722","Entonces, el trabajo de la Fazenda Nacional... del Ministerio de Hacienda, fue fundamental para llegar a la situación de identificar al mayor criminal de la historia de Brasil, que es ese bandido llamado Daniel Vorcaro.",530.72,545.08,{"idx":648,"utterance_id":649,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":650,"start_s":651,"end_s":652,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},91,"215723","Él corrompió a mucha gente, pero bueno.",546.02,548.38,{"idx":654,"utterance_id":655,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":656,"start_s":657,"end_s":658,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},92,"215724","Corrompió a algunos individuos, pero montó un esquema de poder.",549.68,553.44,{"idx":660,"utterance_id":661,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":662,"start_s":663,"end_s":664,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},93,"215725","Ese esquema de poder involucraba, en primer lugar, al Banco Central del gobierno de Bolsonaro.",553.82,559.18,{"idx":666,"utterance_id":667,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":668,"start_s":669,"end_s":670,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},94,"215726","Quien autorizó al Banco Master fue el presidente del Banco Central del gobierno de Bolsonaro.",559.4,562.7,{"idx":672,"utterance_id":673,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":674,"start_s":675,"end_s":676,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},95,"215727","y dos directores corruptos de la gestión de Roberto Campos.",563.12,566.4,{"idx":678,"utterance_id":679,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":680,"start_s":681,"end_s":682,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},96,"215728","Corrompió, aparentemente, a tres exministros de Bolsonaro.",567.04,571.52,{"idx":684,"utterance_id":685,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":686,"start_s":687,"end_s":688,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},97,"215729","Una ministra casada con el socio de Vorcaro, un ministro que recibía una paga, exministro de la Casa Civil, que recibía una paga de Vorcaro, y el ministro de Comunicaciones, que realizó negocios exclusivos también con Vorcaro.",572.76,586.6,{"idx":690,"utterance_id":691,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":692,"start_s":693,"end_s":694,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},98,"215730","Financió la campaña de Bolsonaro, financió la campaña de Tarcísio. ¿Y cuál es la guinda del pastel?",587.62,593.06,{"idx":696,"utterance_id":697,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":698,"start_s":699,"end_s":700,"word_count":248,"indexable":13},99,"215731","Financió la película de Bolsonaro, que no costó 134 millones; hicieron un esquema de dinero para abastecer un fondo que es gestionado en Estados Unidos por el abogado de Eduardo Bolsonaro, que vive allí.",593.72,607.44,{"idx":702,"utterance_id":703,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":704,"start_s":705,"end_s":706,"word_count":318,"indexable":13},100,"215732","Entonces, si no entendemos que algunos individuos pueden haber traspasado la línea y deben responder por lo que hicieron, pero, paralelamente, si existía un esquema mafioso del gobierno de Bolsonaro con el Banco Master... Ahí no estamos diciendo la verdad a la población.",608.08,623.42,{"idx":708,"utterance_id":709,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":710,"start_s":711,"end_s":712,"word_count":286,"indexable":13},101,"215733","Hay personas que se desviaron del buen camino, pero hay un esquema mafioso de corrupción del gobierno anterior con el Banco Master, que necesita ser aclarado por la Policía Federal, en conjunto, y no como algo individual.",623.9,639.8,{"idx":714,"utterance_id":715,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":716,"start_s":717,"end_s":718,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},102,"215734","Era un esquema de gobierno que involucraba poder y dinero.",640.28,643.84,{"idx":720,"utterance_id":721,"speaker_name":8,"text":722,"start_s":723,"end_s":724,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},103,"215735","Pero, candidato, ¿ese clima no puede incluso entorpecer las votaciones del 6x1, estas nuevas revelaciones?",644.66,651.36,{"idx":726,"utterance_id":727,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":728,"start_s":729,"end_s":730,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":731,"topic_label":732,"target_id":733,"target_proposition":734,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":735,"indexable":100},104,"215736","Mire, nada, en mi opinión, es más importante que poner el país en limpio.",652.32,655.78,"combate-a-impunidade","Combate a la Impunidad","c1131b58-9a55-4a9a-aada-9be4325c6ebd","averiguar e investigar escándalos de corrupción","afirma que nada es más importante que 'passar o país a limpo'.",{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},105,"215737","¿Sabe por qué?",655.8,656.24,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},106,"215738","Porque el ambiente político es insostenible.",656.36,658.58,{"idx":749,"utterance_id":750,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":751,"start_s":752,"end_s":753,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},107,"215739","No se va a poder hacer política de alto nivel, estudiando, detallando propuestas, sin poner el país en limpio.",659.14,667.32,{"idx":755,"utterance_id":756,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":757,"start_s":758,"end_s":759,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},108,"215740","Entonces, tenemos instituciones de gran valor.",667.96,670.04,{"idx":761,"utterance_id":762,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":763,"start_s":764,"end_s":765,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},109,"215741","La Policía Federal es una gran institución.",670.1,671.94,{"idx":767,"utterance_id":768,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":769,"start_s":770,"end_s":771,"word_count":330,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":772,"target_proposition":773,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":774,"indexable":100},110,"215742","Quiero, incluso, traerla aquí al gobierno del Estado, dar asiento al superintendente de la Policía Federal de São Paulo en mi gabinete, para trabajar junto con la Policía Civil, con la Policía Militar, crear un gabinete de crisis antifacción en el Estado de São Paulo.",672.24,684.9,"1cb5d18f-a452-47b1-8805-d6f7acbde7d1","crear un gabinete permanente de integración entre la Policía Federal, la Policía Civil, la Policía Militar y la Policía Penal","propone asiento del superintendente de la PF y creación de un gabinete antifacção.",{"idx":776,"utterance_id":777,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":778,"start_s":779,"end_s":780,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":731,"topic_label":732,"target_id":781,"target_proposition":782,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":783,"indexable":100},111,"215743","Debemos dejar que la Policía Federal trabaje con autonomía, investigando a jueces, ministros, diputados, senadores, quien sea.",685.72,694.32,"8d3cf993-0ae4-465a-8db4-7138af78a5d4","garantizar la independencia y autonomía de las investigaciones de la Policía Federal","defiende que la PF trabaje con autonomía investigativa, incluso sobre autoridades.",{"idx":785,"utterance_id":786,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":787,"start_s":788,"end_s":789,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":731,"topic_label":732,"target_id":790,"target_proposition":791,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":792,"indexable":100},112,"215744","Tenemos que acabar con el secreto de las investigaciones.",694.92,697.9,"69590bb1-e26e-4c79-8f74-40e5faf59d09","acabar con el sigilo de las investigaciones en casos relevantes","propone explícitamente 'acabar com o sigilo das investigações'.",{"idx":794,"utterance_id":795,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":796,"start_s":797,"end_s":798,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},113,"215745","¿Por qué mantienen el Dark Horse bajo sigilo?",698.52,701.08,{"idx":800,"utterance_id":801,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":802,"start_s":803,"end_s":804,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},114,"215746","¿Por qué mantienen determinados expedientes bajo sigilo?",701.42,704.22,{"idx":806,"utterance_id":807,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":808,"start_s":809,"end_s":810,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},115,"215747","Estamos a 30 días de una elección presidencial.",704.62,707.08,{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":731,"topic_label":732,"target_id":817,"target_proposition":818,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":819,"indexable":100},116,"215748","Abran todo, dejen que la población sepa todo lo que está ocurriendo y que forme su juicio, aunque parcial, ante la inminencia de elegir a un nuevo presidente.",707.64,717.54,"58e6092d-0576-408a-a2e4-897fc0b1d798","hacer públicas las investigaciones e indagaciones en los 30 días anteriores a la elección","pide la apertura total de las investigaciones a 30 días de las elecciones.",{"idx":821,"utterance_id":822,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":823,"start_s":824,"end_s":825,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},117,"215749","Estoy a favor de poner este país en limpio.",718.7,720.62,{"idx":827,"utterance_id":828,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":829,"start_s":830,"end_s":831,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},118,"215750","Nadie de buena fe aguanta más este ambiente político.",721.06,723.9,{"idx":833,"utterance_id":834,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":835,"start_s":836,"end_s":837,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},119,"215751","Uno quiere hacer el bien, quiere trabajar por la comunidad y aparece este ambiente que no hace avanzar al país.",724.06,729.76,{"idx":839,"utterance_id":840,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":841,"start_s":842,"end_s":843,"word_count":268,"indexable":13},120,"215752","Entonces, en mi opinión, la Policía Federal tiene que continuar las investigaciones con toda libertad, presentar las pruebas y corresponde a la Justicia, sobre la base de las pruebas, juzgar a quien sea y de manera severa.",730.2,744.86,{"idx":845,"utterance_id":846,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":847,"start_s":848,"end_s":849,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":731,"topic_label":732,"target_id":850,"target_proposition":851,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":438,"rationale":852,"indexable":100},121,"215753","Porque quien va a la vida pública tiene que saber que será observado con más rigor, porque es un delito contra la sociedad lo que se comete cuando uno está en la vida pública y comete un desliz.",745.12,757.7,"a76d77ef-8251-40cc-abc2-eb6853eda01d","investigar y castigar prácticas de corrupción en la administración pública","defiende mayor rigor y responsabilidad para quienes ocupan cargos públicos.",{"idx":854,"utterance_id":855,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":856,"start_s":857,"end_s":858,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},122,"215754","de esa naturaleza, de esa gravedad.",758.48,760.24,{"idx":860,"utterance_id":861,"speaker_name":8,"text":862,"start_s":863,"end_s":864,"word_count":459,"indexable":13},123,"215755","Candidato, aprovechando el impulso de este tema que estamos tratando, ayer acompañamos otro capítulo de esta historia del Banco Master, un episodio que involucra una propuesta de delación de Daniel Vorcaro, donde él afirma que los 5 millones de reales donados en 2022 a las campañas de Jair Bolsonaro y Tarcísio de Freitas habrían sido, en realidad, una contrapartida negociada con Gilberto Kassab.",760.78,786.64,{"idx":866,"utterance_id":867,"speaker_name":8,"text":868,"start_s":869,"end_s":870,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},124,"215756","¿Cómo evalúa usted esas acusaciones y especialmente lo que pueden representar en relación con un eventual involucramiento del gobernador Tatis de Freitas en este caso?",787.44,797.26,{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},125,"215757","Mire, no he tenido acceso a los autos.",797.9,800.32,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},126,"215758","y lo que quiero decir, porque esto lo puedo decir con seguridad, no es coincidencia que tanta gente de Bolsonaro esté involucrada con el Forcaro, no es coincidencia.",800.58,810.54,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},127,"215759","Una cosa es un juez que se salió de la línea, es un diputado que se salió de la línea, otra cosa es un esquema.",811.02,816.4,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},128,"215760","todo él montado en torno al poder y al dinero.",817.2,820.42,{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":274,"indexable":13},129,"215761","Voy a repetir, el presidente del Banco Central del gobierno de Bolsonaro, tres ministros de Bolsonaro, el propio Bolsonaro, el candidato a gobernador de São Paulo, Flávio Bolsonaro, es mucha gente muy cercana recibiendo dinero por cualquier concepto.",821.08,837.18,{"idx":902,"utterance_id":903,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":904,"start_s":905,"end_s":906,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},130,"215762","Entonces, corresponde a la policía saber si alguien se subió de polizón en este barco.",837.64,844.34,{"idx":908,"utterance_id":909,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":910,"start_s":911,"end_s":912,"word_count":84,"indexable":13},131,"215763","porque es algo difícil de creer, pero puede ocurrir; hay que saber cuál es la responsabilidad de cada uno.",844.5,850.12,{"idx":914,"utterance_id":915,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":916,"start_s":917,"end_s":918,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},132,"215764","Porque estamos hablando de 60 mil millones de reales, más de 10 mil millones de dólares.",850.6,857.22,{"idx":920,"utterance_id":921,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":922,"start_s":923,"end_s":924,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},133,"215765","Compárelo con cualquier escándalo en el mundo, no va a encontrar nada parecido.",857.74,862.26,{"idx":926,"utterance_id":927,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":928,"start_s":929,"end_s":930,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},134,"215766","Y esto nació, creció y no murió en el gobierno de Bolsonaro.",862.78,868.48,{"idx":932,"utterance_id":933,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":934,"start_s":935,"end_s":936,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},135,"215767","Murió en 2025, cuando el presidente del Banco Central del gobierno de Bolsonaro dejó el cargo.",868.76,873.62,{"idx":938,"utterance_id":939,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":940,"start_s":941,"end_s":942,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},136,"215768","y cuando asumió el nuevo presidente del Banco Central.",874.08,876.02,{"idx":944,"utterance_id":945,"speaker_name":8,"text":946,"start_s":947,"end_s":948,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},137,"215769","Candidato, señor, solo para complementar, también recordamos que hay algunas denuncias sobre la participación de algunos líderes del PT de Bahía en este caso de corrupción.",876.32,885.24,{"idx":950,"utterance_id":951,"speaker_name":8,"text":952,"start_s":953,"end_s":954,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},138,"215770","Está Jacques Wagner, por ejemplo.",885.28,886.94,{"idx":956,"utterance_id":957,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":958,"start_s":959,"end_s":960,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},139,"215771","Por eso hago la distinción entre individuos que pueden haber cometido deslices y un esquema mafioso.",887.8,894.28,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":963,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":964,"start_s":965,"end_s":966,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},140,"215772","Estoy citando a siete miembros de la alta cúpula del gobierno de Bolsonaro, todos ellos involucrados, en el caso, con pruebas ya.",895.36,901.6,{"idx":968,"utterance_id":969,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":970,"start_s":971,"end_s":972,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},141,"215773","Ahora, si un juez, un senador, cualquier persona se salió de la línea, responde.",902.24,907.82,{"idx":974,"utterance_id":975,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":976,"start_s":977,"end_s":978,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},142,"215774","Y toda la investigación está siendo abierta para el escrutinio de la población.",908.36,914.88,{"idx":980,"utterance_id":981,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":982,"start_s":983,"end_s":984,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},143,"215775","¿Qué defiendo?",915.08,915.92,{"idx":986,"utterance_id":987,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":988,"start_s":989,"end_s":990,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},144,"215776","Que no haya más sigilo en los expedientes actuales.",916.68,919.26,{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},145,"215777","Repito, estamos a las puertas de una elección presidencial.",919.86,922.9,{"idx":998,"utterance_id":999,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1000,"start_s":1001,"end_s":1002,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},146,"215778","Es muy importante que todo el mundo tenga, como mínimo, acceso a lo que ya se sabe.",923.76,929.66,{"idx":1004,"utterance_id":1005,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1006,"start_s":1007,"end_s":1008,"word_count":84,"indexable":13},147,"215779","Y usted va a juzgar la conveniencia de reencaminarlo o no hacia el poder, hacia el cargo que anhela.",931.2,936.76,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":1011,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1012,"start_s":1013,"end_s":1014,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},148,"215780","Entonces, yo estoy a favor de acabar con el sigilo en estos 30 días.",937.56,940.9,{"idx":1016,"utterance_id":1017,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1018,"start_s":1019,"end_s":1020,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},149,"215781","Muestre todo a todo el mundo.",941.6,942.88,{"idx":1022,"utterance_id":1023,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1024,"start_s":1025,"end_s":1026,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},150,"215782","Pero quería subrayar.",943.32,944.26,{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},151,"215783","En el caso del bolsonarismo, no son individuos aislados.",944.7,951.2,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},152,"215784","Es un esquema que involucró a tres ministros, al Banco Central y a los candidatos de 2022.",951.72,959.08,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},153,"215785","Y ahora el hijo.",959.36,960.2,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1048,"start_s":1049,"end_s":1050,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},154,"215786","del presidente Jair Bolsonaro.",960.48,962.1,{"idx":1052,"utterance_id":1053,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1054,"start_s":1055,"end_s":1056,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},155,"215787","Eso no puede ser una coincidencia.",962.72,964.22,{"idx":1058,"utterance_id":1059,"speaker_name":8,"text":1060,"start_s":1061,"end_s":1062,"word_count":225,"indexable":13},156,"215788","Candidato, saliendo un poco de esa pauta, usted ha hecho críticas en algunas entrevistas a las concesiones públicas hechas por el gobierno actual y por gobiernos pasados, y ya mencionó a Sabesp.",965,976.16,{"idx":1064,"utterance_id":1065,"speaker_name":8,"text":1066,"start_s":1067,"end_s":1068,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},157,"215789","¿Qué otros contratos pretende usted revisar y con qué criterios?",976.74,981.34,{"idx":1070,"utterance_id":1071,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1072,"start_s":1073,"end_s":1074,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},158,"215790","Son dos tipos de contrato.",982.64,984.24,{"idx":1076,"utterance_id":1077,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1078,"start_s":1079,"end_s":1080,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},159,"215791","Contrato de proveedor y prestador de servicios.",984.54,987.94,{"idx":1082,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},160,"215792","son contratos cortos, que terminan, y usted puede renegociar.",988.34,992.7,{"idx":1088,"utterance_id":1089,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1090,"start_s":1091,"end_s":1092,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},161,"215793","Entonces, esto será esencial para recuperar las finanzas del Estado, que se encuentra en su peor momento de los últimos 30 años.",993.18,1000.24,{"idx":1094,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},162,"215794","Desde el gobierno de Fleury, no se veía la caja de São Paulo tan vacía como hoy.",1000.84,1005.12,{"idx":1100,"utterance_id":1101,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1102,"start_s":1103,"end_s":1104,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},163,"215795","Esa es una parte del trabajo que dije que sería una medida de primera hora.",1005.72,1009.56,{"idx":1106,"utterance_id":1107,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1108,"start_s":1109,"end_s":1110,"word_count":286,"indexable":13},164,"215796","Los otros contratos son de concesión, son contratos de largo plazo, de 20 a 30 años, que involucran a Sabesp, que batió récord de reclamaciones en el Procon por falta de agua o servicio impropio, agua no apta para el uso, y facturas caras.",1010.06,1026.42,{"idx":1112,"utterance_id":1113,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1114,"start_s":1115,"end_s":1116,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},165,"215797","Tarcísio prometió reducir la factura del agua.",1026.94,1029.92,{"idx":1118,"utterance_id":1119,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1120,"start_s":1121,"end_s":1122,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},166,"215798","Y además el reportero preguntó: \"¿de qué pago hoy?\"",1030.48,1032.88,{"idx":1124,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},167,"215799","Él dijo: \"¿de qué paga usted hoy?\"",1032.96,1034.74,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},168,"215800","Y ahora está cambiando la versión.",1035.68,1037.34,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},169,"215801","Segundo, los contratos de la CPTM y de las vías férreas.",1038,1041.98,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1144,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1145,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},170,"215802","27% más fallas que antes de la privatización.",1047.08,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":1152,"topic_label":1153,"target_id":1154,"target_proposition":1155,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":1156,"indexable":100},171,"215803","Tendré que... establecer sanciones severas contra los concesionarios.",1047.42,1052.2,"privatizacao-e-concessoes","Privatización y Concesiones","f13bf919-5e46-4d87-8b01-de1c847f432d","establecer reglas y sanciones más severas para concesionarias que incumplen contratos","anuncia sanciones severas contra concesionarios que no cumplen contratos.",{"idx":1158,"utterance_id":1159,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1160,"start_s":1161,"end_s":1162,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":1163,"topic_label":1164,"target_id":1165,"target_proposition":1166,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":1167,"indexable":100},172,"215804","Y otra cuestión es la revisión del free flow.",1052.66,1054.58,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infraestructura y saneamiento","3e0c1767-3271-468c-99b3-20deba719a62","revisar la implementación del sistema de cobro free flow en las carreteras paulistas","propone revisar el free flow por problemas de implementación y protestas.",{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},173,"215805","El free flow es una tecnología que puede ser buena, dar fluidez a las carreteras paulistas, pero no de la manera en que lo está implementando Tarcísio.",1055.24,1062.94,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":225,"indexable":13},174,"215806","Hay protestas en todo el Estado contra la forma en que está implementando las nuevas plazas de peaje, perjudicando muchas veces a personas que simplemente van a trabajar cerca de su casa.",1063.06,1075.22,{"idx":1181,"utterance_id":1182,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1183,"start_s":1184,"end_s":1185,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},175,"215807","Toman un pequeño tramo de carretera y se ven obligados a pagar peaje para ir a trabajar.",1075.68,1080.22,{"idx":1187,"utterance_id":1188,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1189,"start_s":1190,"end_s":1191,"word_count":280,"indexable":13},176,"215808","Creo que hay una falta total de planificación del Estado de São Paulo y vamos revisar los grandes contratos de concesión para establecer reglas más claras y sanciones para los malos concesionarios de servicios públicos.",1080.68,1094.06,{"idx":1193,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":8,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},177,"215809","El costo de una reestatización es altísimo.",1094.56,1097.06,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":8,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},178,"215810","¿Es realmente posible poner eso en práctica?",1097.1,1099.84,{"idx":1205,"utterance_id":1206,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1207,"start_s":1208,"end_s":1209,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},179,"215811","Tiene toda la razón cuando afirma eso.",1100.4,1102.22,{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},180,"215812","¿Cómo se reestatiza una compañía?",1102.82,1104.88,{"idx":1217,"utterance_id":1218,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1219,"start_s":1220,"end_s":1221,"word_count":417,"topic_slug":1152,"topic_label":1153,"target_id":1222,"target_proposition":1223,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":1224,"indexable":100},181,"215813","En primer lugar, tendrá que hacerla cumplir el contrato, tendrá que introducir en el contrato reglas más duras contra el mal uso de la concesión, contra el perjuicio que se está causando al usuario; pero, en última instancia, se puede llegar a revocar una concesión si la concesionaria no está cumpliendo el contrato, incluso judicializar el debate.",1105.3,1130.6,"a1052479-a1b6-482c-83b9-0405e3ff4caf","rescindir contratos de concesión y, cuando sea necesario, reestatizar servicios públicos estatales","se compromete a judicializar y rescindir concesiones que persistan con fallas.",{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},182,"215814","Así que no escatimaré esfuerzos, intentaré negociar.",1130.92,1133.8,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},183,"215815","Si ellos no quieren negociar, judicializaré.",1134.44,1137.26,{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},184,"215816","Y si tengo que judicializar, puedo llegar a una ruptura de contrato si las cosas siguen empeorando como están.",1137.84,1145.94,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},185,"215817","Entonces, o la Sabesp privatizada se alinea o saldrá del servicio.",1146.42,1151.04,{"idx":1250,"utterance_id":1251,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1252,"start_s":1253,"end_s":1254,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},186,"215818","Esa concesión fue muy mal hecha.",1151.42,1153.12,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},187,"215819","Fue hecha por una empresa sin tradición en saneamiento.",1153.56,1156.12,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},188,"215820","Un único competidor compró la Sabesp por el 80% de lo que valía para prestar ese servicio.",1156.74,1162.8,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},189,"215821","Eso es inadmisible.",1163.64,1165.28,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},190,"215822","Compró esa BESP barata y era el único competidor.",1165.64,1169.06,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},191,"215823","O presta un buen servicio o tendrá problemas con el gobierno del Estado.",1169.22,1172.86,{"idx":1286,"utterance_id":1287,"speaker_name":8,"text":1288,"start_s":1289,"end_s":1290,"word_count":274,"indexable":13},192,"215824","Candidato, aún en la línea de cuestiones del Estado de São Paulo, mirando ahora a la educación, usted criticó el modelo educativo de Tarcísio de Freitas de sustitución de libros y la actuación de los profesores por plataformas digitales.",1173.38,1189.1,{"idx":1292,"utterance_id":1293,"speaker_name":8,"text":1294,"start_s":1295,"end_s":1296,"word_count":377,"indexable":13},193,"215825","Entonces, si usted es elegido, ¿pretende reducir el uso de esas plataformas y, en caso de reducción, cómo hará usted para aprovechar, precisamente pensando en la caja del Estado, para que ese trabajo no se haya perdido y no sea necesario un nuevo desembolso para una nueva adquisición de materiales?",1189.7,1209.9,{"idx":1298,"utterance_id":1299,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1300,"start_s":1301,"end_s":1302,"word_count":128,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1305,"target_proposition":1306,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":1307,"indexable":100},194,"215826","Mire, Tarcísio hizo una reforma de la enseñanza contra el profesor y no con el profesor.",1210.44,1216.08,"educacao","Educación","e886a659-3cc0-4773-9478-c0080bba5df6","promover reforma estructural en el sistema de educación pública con foco en alfabetización y numeración","critica la reforma 'contra o professor' y defiende una reforma con participación del magisterio.",{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1305,"target_proposition":1306,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":178,"rationale":1314,"indexable":100},195,"215827","No se mejora la educación en contra del profesor.",1216.12,1218.38,"afirma que no se mejora la educación 'contra o professor', apoyando la participación docente.",{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},196,"215828","El profesor es tu fuerza de trabajo dentro del aula.",1219.16,1221.82,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},197,"215829","Es la persona más importante en un aula.",1222.24,1224.32,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":126,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1333,"target_proposition":1334,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1335,"indexable":100},198,"215830","Y él es quien tiene que contar con la confianza del Estado para promover una relación con el estudiante, de enseñanza-aprendizaje, que fomente la emancipación de ese estudiante.",1224.96,1233.96,"6bb2ce73-f16d-42d8-bf23-190090242321","delegar más autonomía pedagógica y de gestión a los docentes","dice que el profesor debe tener la confianza del Estado para actuar en el aula.",{"idx":1337,"utterance_id":1338,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1339,"start_s":1340,"end_s":1341,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},199,"215831","¿Qué pasó desde 2015 hasta ahora?",1234.56,1237.46,{"idx":1343,"utterance_id":1344,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1345,"start_s":1346,"end_s":1347,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},200,"215832","Alckmin dejó el gobierno, en primer lugar, en calidad de educación en Brasil.",1237.88,1242.5,{"idx":1349,"utterance_id":1350,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1351,"start_s":1352,"end_s":1353,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},201,"215833","Dória dejó el gobierno, en tercer lugar, en calidad de educación en Brasil.",1243.14,1247.32,{"idx":1355,"utterance_id":1356,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1357,"start_s":1358,"end_s":1359,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},202,"215834","Hoy estamos en décimo lugar en el país.",1247.68,1249.96,{"idx":1361,"utterance_id":1362,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1363,"start_s":1364,"end_s":1365,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},203,"215835","Nos han superado Piauí, Espírito Santo, Pernambuco, Ceará, Goiás.",1250.56,1255.96,{"idx":1367,"utterance_id":1368,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1369,"start_s":1370,"end_s":1371,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},204,"215836","Estados con menos capacidad de inversión que São Paulo, por alumno.",1256.36,1260.48,{"idx":1373,"utterance_id":1374,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1375,"start_s":1376,"end_s":1377,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},205,"215837","Entonces, es inadmisible lo que sucedió.",1261.46,1263.5,{"idx":1379,"utterance_id":1380,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1381,"start_s":1382,"end_s":1383,"word_count":108,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1384,"target_proposition":1385,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":1386,"rationale":1387,"indexable":100},206,"215838","Tendremos que sentarnos con el magisterio, tendremos que realizar concursos.",1264.02,1267.24,"5305db6d-aa7c-4f3e-bd09-06f3fd1f888d","realizar concursos públicos para docentes y empleados de la red pública",0.92,"declara explícitamente 'nós vamos ter que... fazer concurso'.",{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1391,"start_s":1383,"end_s":1392,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1384,"target_proposition":1385,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":1393,"indexable":100},207,"215839","El 47% de los profesores de São Paulo no son concursados.",1272.28,"proporciona un dato sobre el porcentaje de profesores no concursados (relato).",{"idx":1395,"utterance_id":1396,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1397,"start_s":1398,"end_s":1399,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},208,"215840","Eso es un absurdo.",1273.4,1275.06,{"idx":1401,"utterance_id":1402,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1403,"start_s":1404,"end_s":1405,"word_count":108,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1406,"target_proposition":1407,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":1408,"indexable":13},209,"215841","El profesor no sabe si dará clase el año que viene o no.",1275.34,1277.74,"a20c8fa9-1e4c-40c1-9fb6-37b3d088beee","mantener profesionales de la educación en las escuelas","informa inseguridad contractual de los docentes sin proponer un verbo de acción explícito.",{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":84,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1415,"target_proposition":1416,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":1417,"indexable":13},210,"215842","No sabe que, si deja de completar una plataforma burocrática, le romperán el contrato.",1278.42,1284.22,"cf8aeae6-6cc2-4cb8-b2c6-b281265dc616","simplificar procesos burocráticos para el mantenimiento de contratos docentes","descripción del riesgo de ruptura contractual por una plataforma burocrática.",{"idx":1419,"utterance_id":1420,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1421,"start_s":1422,"end_s":1423,"word_count":84,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1424,"target_proposition":1425,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1426,"indexable":100},211,"215843","Cuando se le da estabilidad al profesor, después de un periodo probatorio, ese profesor comienza a desarrollar habilidades.",1284.58,1291.62,"cfee6951-1532-42d6-8149-0e6457b4f99e","conceder estabilidad a los profesores tras el período probatorio","afirma que dar estabilidad permite el desarrollo de habilidades.",{"idx":1428,"utterance_id":1429,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1430,"start_s":1431,"end_s":1432,"word_count":84,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1433,"target_proposition":1434,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":542,"rationale":1435,"indexable":100},212,"215844","Y si tiene apoyo de formación continua, ofrecerá el mejor servicio en el aula.",1291.94,1296.78,"ffd2d22a-ac2b-4405-83bd-d526c6f8fb73","implementar formación continua para profesores sobre educación inclusiva","defiende que el apoyo de la formación continua mejora el servicio en el aula.",{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":48,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1442,"target_proposition":1443,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":171,"rationale":1444,"indexable":100},213,"215845","Pero para eso necesita disciplina en el aula.",1297.26,1299.24,"4ce065e8-e956-494d-87bc-27d999fb35a2","garantizar orden y disciplina en las aulas","dice que se necesita disciplina para que la enseñanza funcione.",{"idx":1446,"utterance_id":1447,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1448,"start_s":1449,"end_s":1450,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1451,"target_proposition":1452,"stance":1453,"stance_confidence":155,"rationale":1454,"indexable":100},214,"215846","No puede quedar el alumno... evaluando al profesor de la manera irresponsable que se está haciendo hoy con esas plataformas.",1299.62,1306.9,"b3f53fcd-c3d3-4637-9d7b-1285e134d100","usar plataformas digitales como criterio principal de evaluación docente","contra","critica la evaluación estudiantil vía plataformas como 'irresponsável'.",{"idx":1456,"utterance_id":1457,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1458,"start_s":1459,"end_s":1460,"word_count":62,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1461,"target_proposition":1462,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1463,"indexable":100},215,"215847","Hay que usar buen material didáctico y no diapositivas para dar clase.",1307.22,1310.48,"e0818c4e-862d-410b-9b0e-c51cbd1066f2","proveer material didáctico impreso del PNLD para la educación secundaria","defiende el uso de buen material didáctico en lugar de solo diapositivas.",{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},216,"215848","Es el profesor quien sabe la mejor manera de transmitir conocimiento.",1311.02,1314.2,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1476,"target_proposition":1477,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":1478,"indexable":100},217,"215849","Y realmente esa tecnología que fue comprada a la empresa de la cual el actual secretario era socio, es una compra que no vi ocurrir en ningún otro estado brasileño, que superó a São Paulo en calidad.",1314.88,1327.82,"34c679bc-61f0-4978-af02-a2a14aca2b1d","revisar contratos y adquisiciones de tecnologías educativas onerosas","informa compra de tecnología ligada a un socio del secretario (crítica factual).",{"idx":1480,"utterance_id":1481,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1482,"start_s":1483,"end_s":1484,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1476,"target_proposition":1477,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":1386,"rationale":1485,"indexable":100},218,"215850","Entonces sí vamos a revisar esas tecnologías caras.",1328.14,1330.64,"declara explícitamente 'Nós vamos rever sim essas tecnologias caras'.",{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1476,"target_proposition":1477,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":118,"rationale":1492,"indexable":100},219,"215851","Más de 500 millones invertidos en tecnologías que produjeron el desastre.",1331.1,1335.26,"proporciona el valor invertido ('mais de meio bilhão') como dato sobre la política.",{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1303,"topic_label":1304,"target_id":1499,"target_proposition":1500,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":1501,"rationale":1502,"indexable":13},220,"215852","De tercero a décimo lugar en cuatro años.",1335.74,1339.32,"ce08ef8a-5630-40a9-adc5-5e2f7ac976bd","revertir la caída en la calidad de la educación pública estatal",0.72,"informa descenso en un ranking (tercero a décimo) sin propuesta directa.",{"idx":1504,"utterance_id":1505,"speaker_name":8,"text":1506,"start_s":1507,"end_s":1508,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},221,"215853","Candidato, una de las principales piezas de la propaganda electoral de su oponente es que él acabó con esa concentración de usuarios de drogas en el centro de São Paulo, la Cracolândia.",1340.68,1352.32,{"idx":1510,"utterance_id":1511,"speaker_name":8,"text":1512,"start_s":1513,"end_s":1514,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},222,"215854","Usted, cuando fue alcalde, lo intentó y no lo consiguió.",1353.38,1357.56,{"idx":1516,"utterance_id":1517,"speaker_name":8,"text":1518,"start_s":1519,"end_s":1520,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},223,"215855","¿Qué faltó?",1357.86,1358.44,{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},224,"215856","Es que, en realidad, él juega con la confusión.",1359.48,1361.86,{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":108,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":1533,"target_proposition":1534,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":171,"rationale":1535,"indexable":100},225,"215857","Quien puede enfrentar al crimen organizado es quien tiene a la policía militar bajo control.",1363.94,1370.52,"f6021803-1696-4186-8523-ca30e82b69e1","dar protagonismo a las policías militares en el enfrentamiento al crimen organizado","afirma que quien enfrenta el crimen organizado es quien manda en la policía militar.",{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},226,"215858","Es el comandante de la policía militar.",1370.82,1372.2,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},227,"215859","No fue Ricardo Nunes quien acabó con la Cracolândia.",1373.08,1375.6,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":1554,"topic_label":1555,"target_id":1556,"target_proposition":1557,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1558,"indexable":100},228,"215860","Ricardo Nunes es alcalde, debería estar cuidando de los usuarios.",1375.68,1378.8,"politica-social","Política social","7e4fc704-7050-41bd-bfcf-00d6e875e6bc","implementar políticas de tratamiento para la dependencia química entre personas en situación de calle","dice que el alcalde debería encargarse de los usuarios (responsabilidad municipal).",{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":186,"topic_label":187,"target_id":1565,"target_proposition":1566,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":438,"rationale":1567,"indexable":100},229,"215861","Hice un programa para cuidar a los dependientes químicos.",1379.36,1382.62,"276a9828-ca31-4d80-a58d-e39e6805ec2a","implementar programas de cuidado y reducción de daños para dependientes químicos","reivindica haber hecho un programa municipal de atención a dependientes químicos.",{"idx":1569,"utterance_id":1570,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1571,"start_s":1572,"end_s":1573,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":186,"topic_label":187,"target_id":1565,"target_proposition":1566,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":171,"rationale":1574,"indexable":100},230,"215862","Y, según un reportaje de Folha de São Paulo de la época, una entidad imparcial, una organización no gubernamental, hizo una evaluación del programa y constató que los beneficiarios del programa que yo implementé redujeron; dos tercios de los beneficiarios redujeron el consumo de drogas.",1383.08,1402.94,"cita evaluación periodística\u002FONG sobre la reducción del consumo entre beneficiarios.",{"idx":1576,"utterance_id":1577,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1578,"start_s":1579,"end_s":1580,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},231,"215863","Y muchos volvieron al trabajo.",1404,1406.02,{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":186,"topic_label":187,"target_id":1565,"target_proposition":1566,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":577,"rationale":1587,"indexable":100},232,"215864","Entonces él está mezclando un programa de reducción de daños de salud pública, que funcionó, según una organización no gubernamental.",1406.76,1418.02,"dice que el programa de reducción de daños 'deu certo', defendiendo la política.",{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},233,"215865","Y un reportaje del diario Folha de São Paulo con el combate al tráfico, que es una atribución del gobernador.",1418.36,1424.26,{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},234,"215866","¿Por qué juega con esa confusión?",1424.74,1426.32,{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},235,"215867","Y no fue solo él quien lo hizo.",1426.66,1428.62,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":241,"topic_label":242,"target_id":1612,"target_proposition":1613,"stance":117,"stance_confidence":245,"rationale":1614,"indexable":13},236,"215868","Eso fue una estrategia del Ministerio Público, que se quebró la cabeza durante muchos años para montar una operación para acabar con el tráfico.",1429.08,1437.82,"24313ac1-22d0-4b41-b1f0-8814cce37d62","coordinar operaciones interinstitucionales para combatir el tráfico","relata la estrategia del Ministerio Público y la operación para enfrentar el tráfico.",{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1618,"start_s":1619,"end_s":1620,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},237,"215869","Y contó, inclusive, con el gobierno federal.",1438.26,1440.52,{"idx":1622,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":292,"topic_slug":1627,"topic_label":1628,"target_id":1629,"target_proposition":1630,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":171,"rationale":1631,"indexable":100},238,"215870","La favela do Moinho, que era fundamental desmontar para acabar con la Cracolândia. El terreno era federal; fuimos nosotros quienes conseguimos la reintegración de la posesión y fuimos nosotros quienes reubicamos a esas familias pagando 180 mil reais por familia de la favela do Moinho.",1441.54,1459.04,"politica-habitacional-ideologia","Política Habitacional \u002F Ideología","f3d7664f-21cf-4cec-9976-8ab5d25a7952","implementar un Plan Nacional de erradicación de favelas","reivindica acción federal\u002Fmunicipal de reintegración y pago a las familias.",{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},239,"215871","El gobierno del Estado aportó 70 mil reais; nosotros aportamos 180.",1459.58,1463.52,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},240,"215872","El hecho de que él no sea agradecido con el gobierno federal no significa que lo que está diciendo sea verdad.",1463.98,1469.1,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},241,"215873","Contó con el Ministerio Público, contó con el gobierno federal, contó con la alcaldía, contó con todo el mundo.",1469.52,1475.74,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":186,"topic_label":187,"target_id":1565,"target_proposition":1566,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1656,"indexable":100},242,"215874","Yo, como alcalde, hice lo que es obligación del municipio: cuidar de los dependientes químicos con una tasa de éxito del 66%.",1476.26,1484.58,"reivindica haber cumplido la obligación municipal con una tasa de éxito del 66%.",{"idx":1658,"utterance_id":1659,"speaker_name":8,"text":1660,"start_s":1661,"end_s":1662,"word_count":312,"indexable":13},243,"215875","Aprovecharé la pregunta de Wilson, candidato, para preguntarte si usted está a favor del traslado de la sede del gobierno y, más que eso, del secretariado, desde el Palácio dos Bandeirantes hacia la región del centro de São Paulo.",1485.02,1495.96,{"idx":1664,"utterance_id":1665,"speaker_name":8,"text":1666,"start_s":1667,"end_s":1668,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},244,"215876","Aquí en nuestro WhatsApp, el Paulista TMC recibe muchísimos mensajes y la gente del centro de São Paulo... en su gran mayoría, está a favor.",1496.32,1504.14,{"idx":1670,"utterance_id":1671,"speaker_name":8,"text":1672,"start_s":1673,"end_s":1674,"word_count":48,"indexable":13},245,"215877","¿Qué piensa usted respecto a esa idea?",1504.16,1506.16,{"idx":1676,"utterance_id":1677,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1678,"start_s":1679,"end_s":1680,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},246,"215878","El centro se viene revitalizando desde hace muchos años.",1507.22,1509.52,{"idx":1682,"utterance_id":1683,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1684,"start_s":1685,"end_s":1686,"word_count":108,"topic_slug":1687,"topic_label":1688,"target_id":1689,"target_proposition":1690,"stance":1691,"stance_confidence":1692,"rationale":1693,"indexable":13},247,"215879","Son varias administraciones revitalizando el centro y eso puede ayudar en la revitalización del centro.",1509.6,1514.7,"politicas-urbanas","Políticas Urbanas","ef783b6c-80f4-482f-981b-661f8838a574","transferir el centro administrativo del gobierno al centro de la capital mediante asociación público-privada","ambiguo",0.5,"afirma que la revitalización 'pode ajudar' sin declarar posición clara sobre el cambio.",{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},248,"215880","Pero comencé mi vida pública negociando el edificio de la alcaldía con el Banespa.",1515.12,1523.04,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},249,"215881","El Santander había comprado el Banespa y esa sede de la alcaldía.",1523.8,1527.94,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},250,"215882","Fui yo quien renegocié en el gobierno de Marta.",1528.02,1530.74,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},251,"215883","Recibieron ese edificio para ser la sede de la alcaldía.",1531.46,1533.96,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},252,"215884","La reforma del municipal, el edificio de la actual Secretaría de Cultura.",1534.6,1541.38,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},253,"215885","Son varias administraciones las que están revitalizando el centro de São Paulo.",1541.86,1545.94,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":164,"topic_slug":1687,"topic_label":1688,"target_id":1736,"target_proposition":1737,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":542,"rationale":1738,"indexable":100},254,"215886","El mayor programa de revitalización en la historia de São Paulo es el Plano Diretor de São Paulo, que es de mi gestión.",1546.54,1551.72,"1cdf4da7-a17f-4df8-89e0-c1088b8cf8a1","realizar reforma urbana","reivindica la autoría del Plano Diretor como el mayor programa de 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Pretendía ayudar al presidente Lula, pero sin ser candidato de otra manera.",1594.82,1600.94,{"idx":1800,"utterance_id":1801,"speaker_name":8,"text":1802,"start_s":1803,"end_s":1804,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},265,"215897","Ahora usted está conversando con nosotros aquí en el 100.1, en el Paulista TMC.",1600.98,1604.98,{"idx":1806,"utterance_id":1807,"speaker_name":8,"text":1808,"start_s":1809,"end_s":1810,"word_count":395,"indexable":13},266,"215898","Allá en Brasília, cuando trabajaba en Brasília en los últimos años, conversando con parlamentarios, tanto de la oposición como de la base del gobierno, la gente decía: \"Tebas, en realidad, en el fondo, en el fondo, la idea es poner a Haddad en São Paulo para que él tire votos y ayude precisamente al presidente Lula en el estado de São Paulo.\"",1605.26,1623.42,{"idx":1812,"utterance_id":1813,"speaker_name":8,"text":1814,"start_s":1815,"end_s":1816,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},267,"215899","Entonces le traslado la pregunta a usted aquí.",1623.46,1625.5,{"idx":1818,"utterance_id":1819,"speaker_name":8,"text":1820,"start_s":1821,"end_s":1822,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},268,"215900","¿Su candidatura es, en la práctica, una misión para ayudar al presidente Lula en la disputa presidencial?",1626.14,1631.5,{"idx":1824,"utterance_id":1825,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1826,"start_s":1827,"end_s":1828,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},269,"215901","Mire, yo veo la política algo diferente de lo que hace el político tradicional.",1632.48,1638.06,{"idx":1830,"utterance_id":1831,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1832,"start_s":1833,"end_s":1834,"word_count":57,"indexable":13},270,"215902","El político tradicional piensa mucho en sí mismo.",1638.36,1640.3,{"idx":1836,"utterance_id":1837,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1838,"start_s":1839,"end_s":1840,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},271,"215903","Tiene un proyecto personal.",1641.14,1642.66,{"idx":1842,"utterance_id":1843,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1844,"start_s":1845,"end_s":1846,"word_count":50,"indexable":13},272,"215904","Formo parte de un equipo.",1643.1,1644.58,{"idx":1848,"utterance_id":1849,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1850,"start_s":1851,"end_s":1852,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},273,"215905","Y la alineación de ese equipo se discute colectivamente.",1646.36,1649.86,{"idx":1854,"utterance_id":1855,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1856,"start_s":1857,"end_s":1858,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},274,"215906","Presenté mis credenciales al presidente Lula, quería formular el plan de gobierno del... Lula 4.",1650.48,1656.6,{"idx":1860,"utterance_id":1861,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1862,"start_s":1863,"end_s":1864,"word_count":336,"topic_slug":470,"topic_label":471,"target_id":1865,"target_proposition":1866,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":171,"rationale":1867,"indexable":100},275,"215907","Quería, como ministro de Hacienda, creo que tenía una visión de las potencialidades de Brasil que me permitían sostener esa discusión con mucha propiedad, porque viajé por todo el mundo, entregué la reforma tributaria, me involucré en una serie de cosas que me hicieron tener esa percepción.",1656.9,1674.4,"ffca2d02-c308-4a57-9a42-066c6480800b","realizar reforma fiscal para reducir las tasas de interés","afirma tener 'entreguei a reforma tributária' como credencial política.",{"idx":333,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},"215908","El presidente Lula, en varias conversaciones conmigo, dijo: \"Haddad, usted necesita entender lo que está pasando en el Estado de São Paulo, el Estado de São Paulo no está bien.\"",1674.82,1683.98,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":231,"indexable":13},277,"215909","Tengo una buena relación con todos los gobernadores, trato a todo el mundo por igual, usted sabe eso, pero necesitamos lograr que São Paulo vuelva a ser la locomotora de Brasil.",1684.68,1693.24,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},278,"215910","São Paulo, por segundo año consecutivo, va a crecer 0,5%.",1693.84,1697.98,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":470,"topic_label":471,"target_id":1891,"target_proposition":1892,"stance":97,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1893,"indexable":100},279,"215911","Tarcísio tiene el freno de mano puesto.",1698.7,1700.9,"f0e61bf2-d337-40fc-a3ef-4467c7d2c9dd","implementar políticas económicas responsables para promover la estabilidad y el crecimiento","critica al gestor actual y defiende la necesidad de impulsar el crecimiento estatal.",{"idx":1895,"utterance_id":1896,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1897,"start_s":1898,"end_s":1899,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},280,"215912","Y necesitamos, para un Brasil exuberante, un São Paulo exuberante.",1701.42,1707.68,{"idx":1901,"utterance_id":1902,"speaker_name":87,"speaker_slug":88,"text":1903,"start_s":1904,"end_s":1905,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},281,"215913","No pueden estar 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