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emocionó como gobernador fue que un día, andando por la calle, una señora mayor me detuvo y dijo: \"quiero agradecerte\".",196.5,205.54,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},34,"125936","Estuve nueve años esperando mis vacaciones-premio.",206.68,211.86,{"idx":399,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},35,"125937","Yo era profesora y no cobraba.",212.52,215.08,{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},36,"125938","Recibí hace dos meses.",215.48,217.3,{"idx":411,"utterance_id":412,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":413,"start_s":414,"end_s":415,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},37,"125939","¿Entendió?",218.02,218.46,{"idx":169,"utterance_id":417,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":418,"start_s":419,"end_s":420,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":316,"topic_label":317,"target_id":421,"target_proposition":422,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":424,"indexable":323},"125940","Pagamos un pasivo que estaba acumulado allí y del que nadie habla.",218.86,224.12,"cd07a94a-55ba-4119-b063-99450c4cd50c","saldar pasivos estatales acumulados",0.88,"Reclama el pago de R$29 mil millones de pasivos como acción del gobierno.",{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},39,"125941","Solo eso: 29 mil millones de pasivo que alcaldes y empleados públicos no 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importante.",241.64,242.86,{"idx":452,"utterance_id":453,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":454,"start_s":455,"end_s":456,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":316,"topic_label":317,"target_id":457,"target_proposition":458,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":459,"rationale":460,"indexable":323},43,"125945","Hoy el Estado tiene recursos para invertir, porque la nómina de pagos que representaba el 68% de los ingresos corrientes netos cayó al 49%.",243.62,256.72,"a640a8db-5d1b-4edb-8fbe-23cfd49ebaea","reducir gastos obligatorios para aumentar el espacio fiscal para inversión",0.83,"Cita la caída de la nómina del 68% al 49% como resultado positivo de la gestión.",{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},44,"125946","Entonces antes todo estaba comprometido con los allegados y hoy ya no.",257.64,262.32,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},45,"125947","Entonces Dios iluminó nuestro gobierno y Minas seguirá avanzando.",262.88,267.76,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},46,"125948","Y eso es algo que dice que Minas está avanzando más que cualquier otro.",270,274.42,{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},47,"125949","Llegué aquí y había muchos mineiros, ¿no?",275.72,277.96,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},48,"125950","Soy de allá, no sé de dónde.",278.04,280.32,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},49,"125951","Minas siempre fue, Samer, un estado de emigrantes.",281.1,284.44,{"idx":498,"utterance_id":499,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":500,"start_s":501,"end_s":502,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},50,"125952","Mineiro yendo a São Paulo, al Río, al Centro-Oeste.",284.96,288.36,{"idx":504,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},51,"125953","El IBGE señaló que durante mi gobierno ese flujo se invirtió.",288.98,292.54,{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},52,"125954","Más brasileños yendo a Minas que mineiros yéndose a... igual que en Santa Catarina.",293.88,299.38,{"idx":516,"utterance_id":517,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":518,"start_s":519,"end_s":520,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},53,"125955","Y la gente va a donde hay oportunidades o a donde van a empeorar su vida.",299.78,304.22,{"idx":522,"utterance_id":523,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":524,"start_s":525,"end_s":526,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},54,"125956","Entonces, se puede ver que las cosas allí caminaron en la dirección opuesta a lo que la oposición me dice.",305.44,312.06,{"idx":528,"utterance_id":529,"speaker_name":174,"text":530,"start_s":531,"end_s":532,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},55,"125957","Gobernador, la reforma... Las reformas que han venido ocurriendo en la Cámara de Diputados... han ganado los medios y cuentan con el apoyo de gran parte de la opinión pública.",314.48,331.24,{"idx":534,"utterance_id":535,"speaker_name":174,"text":536,"start_s":537,"end_s":538,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},56,"125958","Una de ellas, la más reciente, es el fin de la escala 6x1.",331.88,335.94,{"idx":260,"utterance_id":540,"speaker_name":174,"text":541,"start_s":542,"end_s":543,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},"125959","Este es un tema que cuenta con una aprobación popular ampliamente mayoritaria.",337.58,343,{"idx":545,"utterance_id":546,"speaker_name":174,"text":547,"start_s":548,"end_s":549,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},58,"125960","Pero los economistas señalan que habrá consecuencias drásticas en el sector productivo, posiblemente con inflación, desempleo, en fin.",343.76,354.14,{"idx":551,"utterance_id":552,"speaker_name":174,"text":553,"start_s":554,"end_s":555,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},59,"125961","¿Cómo evalúa usted este tema?",355.08,356.42,{"idx":557,"utterance_id":558,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":559,"start_s":560,"end_s":561,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},60,"125962","Samer, el brasileño trabaja mucho.",358.14,361.18,{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},61,"125963","Ahora, ¿cómo corrige usted eso?",362.5,365.16,{"idx":569,"utterance_id":570,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":571,"start_s":572,"end_s":573,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},62,"125964","¿De un plumazo, como está diciendo este gobierno?",366.04,370.04,{"idx":575,"utterance_id":576,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":577,"start_s":578,"end_s":579,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},63,"125965","O mejorando los ingresos, como lo hicieron los países ricos, y la gente acaba teniendo la oportunidad o la condición de tomar una siguiente opción.",370.7,382.36,{"idx":581,"utterance_id":582,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":583,"start_s":584,"end_s":585,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},64,"125966","Voy a trabajar solo 30 horas por semana, porque con lo que gano en 30 horas puedo vivir cómodamente.",382.88,389.84,{"idx":587,"utterance_id":588,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":589,"start_s":590,"end_s":591,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},65,"125967","O entonces, voy a trabajar 50 horas porque voy a reformar mi casa y necesito más.",390.32,396.4,{"idx":593,"utterance_id":594,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":595,"start_s":596,"end_s":597,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},66,"125968","En países que funcionaron, todos cobran por hora y hacen su contrato de trabajo.",397.3,405.18,{"idx":599,"utterance_id":600,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":601,"start_s":602,"end_s":603,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},67,"125969","Usted está casado, me lo contó el otro día.",406.34,408.38,{"idx":605,"utterance_id":606,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":607,"start_s":608,"end_s":609,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},68,"125970","El brasileño, cuando se casa, tiene una serie de opciones.",408.6,411.6,{"idx":611,"utterance_id":612,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":613,"start_s":614,"end_s":615,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},69,"125971","Comunión total de bienes, comunión parcial, separación total.",412.2,416.3,{"idx":617,"utterance_id":618,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":619,"start_s":620,"end_s":621,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},70,"125972","¿No es así?",417.16,417.68,{"idx":623,"utterance_id":624,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":625,"start_s":626,"end_s":627,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},71,"125973","A la hora de casarse tiene opción.",417.8,419.18,{"idx":629,"utterance_id":630,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":631,"start_s":632,"end_s":633,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},72,"125974","¿A la hora de trabajar tiene opciones?",419.56,421.48,{"idx":635,"utterance_id":636,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":637,"start_s":638,"end_s":639,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},73,"125975","¿Está obligado a tragarse la CLT?",421.52,424.98,{"idx":641,"utterance_id":642,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":643,"start_s":644,"end_s":645,"word_count":193,"topic_slug":646,"topic_label":647,"target_id":648,"target_proposition":649,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":650,"rationale":651,"indexable":323},74,"125976","Quisiera que el brasileño tuviera la opción de... No, no es eso; quiero un contrato de trabajo por horas trabajadas.",425.72,432.24,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","Relaciones Internacionales \u002F Trabajo","1d2fbfa6-5339-4ff1-9656-681b9e9ad76d","crear legislación que permita la contratación por hora flexible",0.95,"Dice explícitamente querer la opción de contrato por horas trabajadas.",{"idx":653,"utterance_id":654,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":655,"start_s":656,"end_s":657,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},75,"125977","Voy a trabajar solo el sábado, porque necesito ganar un extra desde las 8 de la mañana hasta las 5 de la tarde.",432.72,438.66,{"idx":659,"utterance_id":660,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":661,"start_s":662,"end_s":663,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},76,"125978","Ya tengo otra actividad, pero el sábado haré esto aquí, porque con ello voy a ganar 3 mil más por mes.",439.34,444.82,{"idx":665,"utterance_id":666,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":667,"start_s":668,"end_s":669,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},77,"125979","En otros países funciona así.",445.38,447.4,{"idx":671,"utterance_id":672,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":673,"start_s":674,"end_s":675,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":676,"topic_label":677,"target_id":678,"target_proposition":679,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":681,"indexable":323},78,"125980","Aquí en Brasil estamos empujando a la gente hacia la informalidad, porque muchas veces quien va a trabajar, incluso tenga 14 o 15 años, si no hay un SESI o SENAI en la ciudad —el 99% de las ciudades no tiene SESI, SENAI o SENAC—.",447.94,466.14,"politica-trabalhista","Política laboral","5e79f179-ef07-400a-a7ce-f1497205634a","promover la capacitación profesional y la formalización de trabajadores informales",0.85,"Afirma que la legislación actual empuja a los trabajadores hacia la informalidad y pide un cambio.",{"idx":683,"utterance_id":684,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":685,"start_s":686,"end_s":687,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},79,"125981","No se puede acceder al programa de joven aprendiz.",466.58,469.46,{"idx":689,"utterance_id":690,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":691,"start_s":692,"end_s":693,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},80,"125982","Y queda un gobierno realizando una acción en año electoral, populista, diciendo que va a mejorar la vida del trabajador.",470.1,477.88,{"idx":695,"utterance_id":696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":697,"start_s":698,"end_s":699,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},81,"125983","Yo quiero mejorar la vida del trabajador haciendo que gane el doble.",478.12,481.64,{"idx":701,"utterance_id":702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":703,"start_s":704,"end_s":705,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},82,"125984","Y quien gane el doble de lo actual elige si va a trabajar 30, 40 o 50 horas, según la necesidad.",482.04,489.12,{"idx":707,"utterance_id":708,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":709,"start_s":710,"end_s":711,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},83,"125985","Tenemos una legislación antigua en Brasil y políticos que quieren decir que están haciendo algo.",489.94,496.06,{"idx":713,"utterance_id":714,"speaker_name":174,"text":715,"start_s":716,"end_s":717,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},84,"125986","Muy buena su intervención, gobernador.",496.56,498.18,{"idx":719,"utterance_id":720,"speaker_name":174,"text":721,"start_s":722,"end_s":723,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},85,"125987","Aprovecho, porque usted llegó a hacer una declaración sobre trabajo infantil que tuvo repercusión polémica.",498.26,506.32,{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":174,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},86,"125988","Quisiera que usted explicara... ¿En qué sentido habló usted sobre trabajo infantil?",507.14,512.46,{"idx":731,"utterance_id":732,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":733,"start_s":734,"end_s":735,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},87,"125989","Dije, Samer, que una de las cosas que más me enseñó en la vida es que desde que tengo memoria ayudo a mi padre en la empresa.",514.04,523,{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},88,"125990","Ahora, al decir eso, ¿estoy queriendo decir que es para que los niños trabajen?",524.12,528.56,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},89,"125991","Dije que me ayudó.",528.76,529.76,{"idx":749,"utterance_id":750,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":751,"start_s":752,"end_s":753,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},90,"125992","No dije que sea para que los niños trabajen, no.",530.5,532.4,{"idx":755,"utterance_id":756,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":757,"start_s":758,"end_s":759,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},91,"125993","Hubo alguien que interpretó.",532.5,533.88,{"idx":761,"utterance_id":762,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":763,"start_s":764,"end_s":765,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},92,"125994","Si alguien toma mi declaración allí, verá que nunca dije eso.",534.4,537.38,{"idx":767,"utterance_id":768,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":769,"start_s":770,"end_s":771,"word_count":432,"topic_slug":772,"topic_label":773,"target_id":774,"target_proposition":775,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":777,"indexable":323},93,"125995","Ahora soy totalmente favorable a que los jóvenes —y la ley actual es incluso razonable— permita que el joven aprendiz, que es un programa oficial del gobierno, pueda comenzar a trabajar con acompañamiento a partir de los 14 años.",538,558.3,"emprego-e-assistencia-social","Empleo y Asistencia Social","d30d0cc4-6662-40a7-8e5d-5a1ccebbbf64","permitir joven aprendiz a partir de los 14 años",0.92,"Declara ser 'totalmente favorável' a la edad de 14 años para el joven aprendiz.",{"idx":779,"utterance_id":780,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":781,"start_s":782,"end_s":783,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},94,"125996","Para mí, esa edad es ideal.",558.92,561.44,{"idx":785,"utterance_id":786,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":787,"start_s":788,"end_s":789,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},95,"125997","No hace falta cambiarla, no.",562.1,563.22,{"idx":791,"utterance_id":792,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":793,"start_s":794,"end_s":795,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":772,"topic_label":773,"target_id":796,"target_proposition":797,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":798,"indexable":323},96,"125998","Lo que hay que cambiar es que el programa de joven aprendiz abarque solo al 2 o 3% de los jóvenes de Brasil.",563.56,571.44,"8fb117f2-ba47-4ba0-a1fe-f570097374f7","facilitar la inserción de jóvenes en el mercado laboral sin perjudicar la escolaridad","Afirma que el joven aprendiz alcanza solo 2–3% de los jóvenes y necesita expansión.",{"idx":800,"utterance_id":801,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":802,"start_s":803,"end_s":804,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},97,"125999","Es alguien que vive en ciudades más grandes, donde hay alguna unidad del sistema S. Donde hay unidad del sistema S, hay el joven aprendiz.",572.2,583.66,{"idx":806,"utterance_id":807,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":808,"start_s":809,"end_s":810,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},98,"126000","Donde no la hay —y la gran mayoría de las ciudades no la tiene— no se puede operar.",584.26,591.34,{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},99,"126001","Vengo del sector privado.",591.44,592.64,{"idx":818,"utterance_id":819,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":820,"start_s":821,"end_s":822,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},100,"126002","He convivido con eso toda la vida.",593.12,595.72,{"idx":824,"utterance_id":825,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":826,"start_s":827,"end_s":828,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},101,"126003","¿Y entonces qué pasa, Samir?",596.38,598.16,{"idx":830,"utterance_id":831,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":832,"start_s":833,"end_s":834,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},102,"126004","¿El joven de 14, de 15 años, que no puede trabajar por ley salvo en el régimen de joven aprendiz, va a quedarse sin trabajar?",598.7,607.26,{"idx":836,"utterance_id":837,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":838,"start_s":839,"end_s":840,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},103,"126005","No va a quedarse.",607.68,608.18,{"idx":842,"utterance_id":843,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":844,"start_s":845,"end_s":846,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},104,"126006","Pero entonces buscará trabajos ocasionales en la informalidad.",609,612.48,{"idx":848,"utterance_id":849,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":850,"start_s":851,"end_s":852,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},105,"126007","No cotizará.",613.16,614.08,{"idx":854,"utterance_id":855,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":856,"start_s":857,"end_s":858,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},106,"126008","No contará como tiempo de servicio y está fomentando un tipo de actividad que no es buena para la economía ni para él.",614.6,624.1,{"idx":860,"utterance_id":861,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":862,"start_s":863,"end_s":864,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},107,"126009","Cuando no es reclutado por el crimen, que el crimen es seductor, es glamoroso aquí en Brasil todavía, algo que quiero cambiar por completo.",624.96,635.82,{"idx":866,"utterance_id":867,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":868,"start_s":869,"end_s":870,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},108,"126010","Entonces creamos un sistema burocrático que dificulta la inserción del joven.",636.36,641.54,{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":772,"topic_label":773,"target_id":796,"target_proposition":797,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":877,"indexable":323},109,"126011","En mi opinión, la escuela debería hacer el convenio con la empresa.",642,646.76,"Propone que las escuelas hagan convenios con empresas para operacionalizar el aprendiz.",{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":426,"indexable":179},110,"126012","El alumno está asistiendo a clase, tiene un buen aprovechamiento, está apto para trabajar cuatro horas al día, o no sé cuántas horas por semana, y si empeora el desempeño, la asistencia, pierde el empleo.",647.1,660.92,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},111,"126013","Eso es lo que pasa en países serios.",661.78,664.14,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},112,"126014","Y usted, que es una persona extremadamente ilustrada, sabe que el trabajo enseña, complementa la educación.",664.64,673.58,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},113,"126015","Alguien que pasa a tener un jefe, que pasa a tener metas por cumplir, que pasa a tener obligaciones en el trabajo, es un complemento a lo que está aprendiendo en una escuela.",674.02,685.3,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},114,"126016","En países desarrollados... Funciona de esa manera.",685.66,689.8,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},115,"126017","Y aquí en Brasil se creó la idea de que si un joven está trabajando, está entorpeciendo su educación.",690.2,697.32,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},116,"126018","En mi opinión, está complementando la educación.",697.36,699.88,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":174,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},117,"126019","Gobernador, usted mencionó que la deuda de Minas se redujo en relación con los ingresos del Estado, con la capacidad de pago.",700.52,709.36,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":174,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},118,"126020","En Brasil, no es así.",709.94,712.44,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":174,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},119,"126021","En Brasil, el gobierno federal llega al 80% del PIB, el endeudamiento, un número récord desde la pandemia.",712.52,719.56,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":174,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},120,"126022","A eso se suma el alto interés, el déficit constante de la máquina pública, una carga tributaria que ya sobrepasó el límite de lo que el brasileño acepta pagar.",720.78,732.22,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":174,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},121,"126023","Brasil se está encaminando hacia la necesidad de un paquete de reformas profundas.",733.56,741.9,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":174,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},122,"126024","Quisiera escucharle sobre las principales reformas que usted cree que Brasil necesita y que propone para el gobierno que va a comenzar.",741.94,750.22,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":174,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},123,"126025","Bromeo, si Javier Millet es 10, ¿cuánto de reforma necesita Brasil?",750.7,757.58,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":174,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},124,"126026","¿de motosierra y reformas para la economía?",757.94,762,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},125,"126027","Ricardo, la situación de Argentina era mucho más grave que la de Brasil.",762.88,767.78,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},126,"126028","Una inflación que llegó a niveles muy superiores a los nuestros aquí.",768.08,773.54,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":49,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},127,"126029","Y otro problema serio de Argentina, sin reservas en divisas.",774.68,{"idx":986,"utterance_id":987,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":988,"start_s":989,"end_s":990,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},128,"126030","Brasil hoy tiene sus 380 mil millones de reales.",778.68,782.44,{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},129,"126031","Yo, como empresario, digo que vi dos grandes cambios en Brasil para mejor.",783.14,788.74,{"idx":998,"utterance_id":999,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1000,"start_s":1001,"end_s":1002,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},130,"126032","Primero, terminamos con la inflación.",788.84,790.46,{"idx":1004,"utterance_id":1005,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1006,"start_s":1007,"end_s":1008,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},131,"126033","la hiperinflación en 1994, y luego acabamos con esas maxi devaluaciones de la moneda.",790.96,799.02,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":1011,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1012,"start_s":1013,"end_s":1014,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},132,"126034","Tenía deuda en dólares, de repente me despertaba y la deuda de la empresa se había duplicado.",799.62,804.7,{"idx":1016,"utterance_id":1017,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1018,"start_s":1019,"end_s":1020,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},133,"126035","Decía, me voy a fundir.",804.88,805.66,{"idx":1022,"utterance_id":1023,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1024,"start_s":1025,"end_s":1026,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},134,"126036","¿Entiende?",806.06,806.74,{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},135,"126037","Hoy eso ya no pasa, porque esa reserva de 380 mil millones sirve como colchón que amortigua.",807.24,814.06,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},136,"126038","El real puede devaluarse 5, 10, 15%.",814.58,817.98,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},137,"126039","pero no 50 como ocurría en el pasado.",818.56,821.58,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},"126040","Y Brasil necesita caminar en ese sentido, lo que los economistas llaman abismo fiscal.",822.4,830.38,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},139,"126041","Minas Gerais, la deuda cayó de 190 a 160% de los ingresos.",831.8,838.46,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},140,"126042","Cuando se habla de país es sobre el PIB.",839.26,841.28,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},141,"126043","Nuestra deuda no tardará, va a alcanzar el 100% del PIB.",842.02,845.76,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},142,"126044","Ningún país en el estadio de desarrollo de Brasil tiene una deuda tan grande como esa.",846.52,851.84,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},143,"126045","Y con tendencia a seguir creciendo de manera cada vez más acelerada.",852.48,858.6,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1085,"topic_label":1086,"target_id":1087,"target_proposition":1088,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":1089,"indexable":323},"126046","Y lo que vamos a hacer es ahorrar, privatizar, no robar y prosperar.",859.26,867.14,"venda-de-patrimonio-publico","Venta de Patrimonio Público","671c0339-fc64-43bb-aa01-e80b45757b07","privatizar el Banco do Brasil","Afirma 'poupar, privatizar' como parte de la agenda económica.",{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},145,"126047","¿Ya tiene un nombre para dirigir la economía o no?",867.44,871.9,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1102,"target_proposition":1103,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":1104,"indexable":179},146,"126048","Serán ministros... ligados a la escuela austríaca.",871.94,876.72,"04d603a6-7578-406f-88e5-e2b05cb97558","nombrar ministros alineados con la escuela austríaca","Dice que los ministros estarán vinculados a la escuela austríaca, defendiendo esa línea.",{"idx":344,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},"126049","Es lo que creo que funciona.",878.58,880.68,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},148,"126050","No creo en chamanes con todo respeto, en milagros.",880.74,885.3,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},149,"126051","Creo en lo que funcionó en el mundo real, en países que avanzaron.",885.68,890.74,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},150,"126052","No voy a creer en magia de ninguna manera.",891.5,894,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},151,"126053","Así que voy con los pies en la tierra.",894.44,896.62,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},152,"126054","Y vamos a llevar adelante algunas reformas, Ricardo.",897.46,900.8,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":1146,"topic_label":1147,"target_id":1148,"target_proposition":1149,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":1150,"indexable":323},153,"126055","Vamos a necesitar una reforma administrativa, fundamental para dar racionalidad al sector público, que ya debería haberse hecho hace 15 años.",901.56,910.9,"reforma-politica","Reforma política","30536c7f-3584-4696-a025-b5a9037cb400","aprobar la reforma administrativa","Afirma la necesidad de una reforma administrativa, propuesta explícita.",{"idx":1152,"utterance_id":1153,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1154,"start_s":1155,"end_s":1156,"word_count":368,"topic_slug":1157,"topic_label":1158,"target_id":1159,"target_proposition":1160,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":1162,"indexable":323},154,"126056","Vamos a necesitar una segunda reforma de la Previdência, en el 19 intenté poner ahí un gatillo, que incluso estaba previsto, es decir, la expectativa de vida sube, la contribución aumenta.",911.74,924.06,"previdencia","Previsión social","dca3781d-2065-44b7-ac5b-d329124023fc","proponer una reforma de la seguridad social para garantizar la sostenibilidad a largo plazo",0.9,"Defiende la 'reforma 2 da Previdência' y cita un gatillo de expectativa de vida.",{"idx":1164,"utterance_id":1165,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1166,"start_s":1167,"end_s":1168,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},155,"126057","Algunos meses no lo pusieron, la expectativa de vida está subiendo, la cuenta no va a cerrar.",924.36,929.98,{"idx":1170,"utterance_id":1171,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1172,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":215,"topic_slug":1175,"topic_label":1176,"target_id":1177,"target_proposition":1178,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":1179,"indexable":179},156,"126058","Tercero, una revisión de los programas sociales.",930.6,933.76,"programas-sociais-e-politicas-habitacionais","Programas sociales y políticas habitacionales","b2b67c10-54e8-4a70-bfa8-3dcb613b416d","reformar programas asistenciales para focalización y eficiencia","Propone revisar programas sociales y 'tirar dos marmanjões' como ajuste.",{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},"126059","Incluso creo que deberíamos mejorar para las madres, pero quitarles a los marmanjones.",934.56,941.64,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},158,"126060","¿Qué hay de hombres de 20, 25, 30 años, sanos, con propuestas de empleo, en plural, para poder trabajar y negándose?",942.2,953.84,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},159,"126061","No está escrito.",953.9,954.78,{"idx":1198,"utterance_id":1199,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1200,"start_s":1201,"end_s":1202,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},160,"126062","Millones.",955.18,955.72,{"idx":1204,"utterance_id":1205,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1206,"start_s":1207,"end_s":1208,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},161,"126063","Quieren seguir recibiendo el Bolsa Família y haciendo trabajos ocasionales según su voluntad, según su conveniencia.",956.52,964.72,{"idx":1210,"utterance_id":1211,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1212,"start_s":1213,"end_s":1214,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},162,"126064","Estamos formando una generación de inútiles, de esa forma, con esos hombres haciendo eso.",965.5,973.62,{"idx":1216,"utterance_id":1217,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1218,"start_s":1219,"end_s":1220,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},163,"126065","Trabajo informal, trabajos ocasionales, no capacita a nadie.",973.92,977.12,{"idx":1222,"utterance_id":1223,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1224,"start_s":1225,"end_s":1226,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},164,"126066","Y en el momento en que tengamos un presidente serio que señale al mercado estas medidas, ¿ustedes recuerdan lo que pasó con el techo del gasto?",978.2,990.9,{"idx":1228,"utterance_id":1229,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1230,"start_s":1231,"end_s":1232,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},165,"126067","La tasa de interés se redujo a la mitad en menos de 12 meses.",991.42,996.54,{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},166,"126068","Y quiero un recorte aún más profundo.",997.36,999.92,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":32,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1245,"target_proposition":1246,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":1247,"indexable":323},167,"126069","Estoy seguro de que la tasa de interés en Brasil, en el horizonte de un año, en el momento en que asumamos con estas medidas, creando estas expectativas, puede caer al 6% anual.",1000.34,1012.58,"645524f2-023e-4385-b023-8f7deabd5f90","implementar políticas económicas que reduzcan la tasa de interés y el endeudamiento de las familias","Proyecta una caída de la tasa de interés a ~6% con sus medidas — objetivo 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no.",1117.18,1118.96,{"idx":1376,"utterance_id":1377,"speaker_name":174,"text":1378,"start_s":1379,"end_s":1380,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},188,"126090","Perjudicando a la máquina pública.",1119.18,1120.24,{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":1308,"topic_label":1309,"target_id":1387,"target_proposition":1388,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":1389,"indexable":323},189,"126091","Brasil necesita un ajuste muy grande.",1120.8,1124.94,"f6bb7d17-5ae4-42ca-b8c5-42edc7bfec52","realizar reforma fiscal","afirma que 'o Brasil precisa de um ajuste muito grande' y que se hará.",{"idx":1391,"utterance_id":1392,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1393,"start_s":1394,"end_s":1395,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},190,"126092","Y se va a hacer.",1125.22,1126.14,{"idx":1397,"utterance_id":1398,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1399,"start_s":1400,"end_s":1401,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},191,"126093","Por las buenas o por las malas.",1126.54,1127.48,{"idx":1403,"utterance_id":1404,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1405,"start_s":1406,"end_s":1407,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},192,"126094","No hay forma de escapar.",1127.7,1128.76,{"idx":1409,"utterance_id":1410,"speaker_name":174,"text":1411,"start_s":1412,"end_s":1413,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},193,"126095","Gobernador, quería hablar un poco sobre el caso Master, que parece que todavía va a influir bastante en estas elecciones.",1129.06,1135.16,{"idx":1415,"utterance_id":1416,"speaker_name":174,"text":1417,"start_s":1418,"end_s":1419,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},194,"126096","Usted hizo una declaración justo después de la divulgación de esos mensajes entre Flávio Bolsonaro e Ivor Caro, audios y todo eso.",1136.44,1145.42,{"idx":1421,"utterance_id":1422,"speaker_name":174,"text":1423,"start_s":1424,"end_s":1425,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},195,"126097","En un primer momento incluso hubo muchas críticas hacia usted, algunos consideraron una declaración precipitada, hasta oportunista.",1146.28,1152.92,{"idx":386,"utterance_id":1427,"speaker_name":174,"text":1428,"start_s":1429,"end_s":1430,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},"126098","lo llamaron.",1152.96,1153.7,{"idx":1432,"utterance_id":1433,"speaker_name":174,"text":1434,"start_s":1435,"end_s":1436,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},197,"126099","¿Cómo evalúa usted hoy, se encontraron ustedes en un evento allá en Minas?",1154.08,1157.36,{"idx":1438,"utterance_id":1439,"speaker_name":174,"text":1440,"start_s":1441,"end_s":1442,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},198,"126100","después, ¿cómo está tu relación con Flávio y tu opinión sobre lo que ya se ha divulgado hasta ahora?",1157.42,1162.58,{"idx":1444,"utterance_id":1445,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1446,"start_s":1447,"end_s":1448,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},199,"126101","Renato, ¿el caso Master es una caja de Pandora o Pandorra?",1164.22,1168.8,{"idx":1450,"utterance_id":1451,"speaker_name":174,"text":1452,"start_s":1453,"end_s":1454,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},200,"126102","Pandora.",1169.24,1169.66,{"idx":1456,"utterance_id":1457,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1458,"start_s":1459,"end_s":1460,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},201,"126103","Pandora, Pandora, una caja de Pandora.",1170.14,1173.02,{"idx":1462,"utterance_id":1463,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1464,"start_s":1465,"end_s":1466,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},202,"126104","Hay cosas ahí que van a continuar.",1173.12,1175.68,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1468,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1469,"start_s":1470,"end_s":1471,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},"126105","surgiendo durante muchos meses todavía.",1176.22,1179,{"idx":1473,"utterance_id":1474,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1475,"start_s":1476,"end_s":1477,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},204,"126106","Porque un celular guarda mucha información, ¿no es así?",1179.54,1182.76,{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},205,"126107","Pueden ser años ahí.",1183.4,1184.82,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1485,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1486,"start_s":1487,"end_s":1488,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":1489,"topic_label":1490,"target_id":1491,"target_proposition":1492,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":1493,"indexable":323},"126108","Pero, ¿cómo podría aplaudir a alguien que se acerca al mayor banquero bandido de la historia de Brasil?",1185.78,1194.78,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Gobernanza y corrupción","4dafa385-0c27-4e4f-a481-5cef92318926","evitar asociaciones políticas con individuos acusados de corrupción y aumentar la transparencia","pregunta retórica sobre aplaudir a quien se aproxima al 'maior banqueiro bandido', critica la asociación.",{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},207,"126109","Creo que es difícil que alguien quiera aplaudir a quien estuvo, quien convivió con una persona como él.",1195.72,1203,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},208,"126110","Quizá si hace tiempo convivió y no sabía lo que él estaba haciendo, es menos malo.",1203.56,1208.36,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},209,"126111","Vivo en la misma ciudad que él, Belo 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quien anda con delincuentes merece ser visto con cautela.",1261.62,1265.76,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},226,"126128","Entonces, me desgasté, me desgasté.",1266.48,1269.28,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":174,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},227,"126129","¿Y eso en relación con su donación al Partido Novo de un millón de reais, doctor Caro?",1269.84,1274.5,{"idx":1621,"utterance_id":1622,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1623,"start_s":1624,"end_s":1625,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":1629,"indexable":179},228,"126130","Entonces, esa donación ocurrió en 2022.",1274.64,1276.88,"filiacao-partidaria","dce3a358-d4ce-4b12-bdb2-c30ee03c0e0a","financiar partidos con contribuciones de afiliados y ampliar la transparencia","indica el año de la donación sin proponer acción política.",{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":1636,"indexable":323},229,"126131","Fue al Partido Novo que él donó, en un momento en que no había ninguna sospecha.",1279.94,1287.02,"informa el destino de la donación y la ausencia de sospecha como hecho.",{"idx":1638,"utterance_id":1639,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1640,"start_s":1641,"end_s":1642,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":1643,"indexable":323},230,"126132","Y por lo que tengo entendido, él donó cantidades mucho mayores a otros partidos.",1287.68,1292.34,"relata conocimiento sobre montos donados a otros partidos.",{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1650,"rationale":1651,"indexable":179},231,"126133","Incluso, debido a que el Partido Novo es pequeño, él terminó donando solo un millón.",1292.42,1296.6,0.72,"explica que el menor monto dado al Partido Novo se debe a que es pequeño (relato).",{"idx":1653,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1658,"target_proposition":1659,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":1660,"indexable":323},232,"126134","Debería haber donado más, que es el partido más serio de Brasil, el que más combate la corrupción, y él ya mostró que es capaz de hacerlo.",1296.7,1304.24,"1ec5235f-70ce-48f6-a5af-11c6f0f93fa8","aumentar las donaciones a partidos políticos","afirma 'deveria ter doado mais' defendiendo una mayor donación.",{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1658,"target_proposition":1659,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":1667,"indexable":323},233,"126135","Creo que incluso él donó poco, porque ya conocía nuestra postura.",1304.6,1309.66,"dice explícitamente que el donante 'doou pouco' — propone una mayor donación.",{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1658,"target_proposition":1659,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1674,"rationale":1675,"indexable":179},234,"126136","Si él no lo supiera... Tal vez habría donado más.",1310.38,1315.2,0.6,"especula sobre cuánto podría haber dado el donante (no propone claramente).",{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},235,"126137","Y un detalle muy importante, Renato.",1315.74,1318,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1688,"target_proposition":1689,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":1690,"indexable":323},236,"126138","Si él donó, no fue con ninguna contrapartida.",1318.76,1322.62,"4dbd3ecf-4fba-4b1a-b99f-2b6607d4f5d6","garantizar transparencia en las donaciones a partidos políticos","niega que la donación tuviera contraprestación (alegación factual).",{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1024,"start_s":1694,"end_s":1695,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},237,"126139",1323.28,1323.82,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1701,"rationale":1702,"indexable":323},"126140","Si él donó fue porque quiso donar.",1324.3,1326.9,0.78,"afirma que la donación se realizó por voluntad del donante (relato\u002Fdefensa).",{"idx":1704,"utterance_id":1705,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1706,"start_s":1707,"end_s":1708,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":1710,"indexable":179},239,"126141","Porque nadie en el Partido Novo jamás se ha comprometido con nada por causa de una donación.",1327.28,1332.62,0.7,"afirma el historial del partido de no aceptar contrapartidas (defensa factual).",{"idx":1712,"utterance_id":1713,"speaker_name":174,"text":1714,"start_s":1715,"end_s":1716,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},240,"126142","¿Pero eso no podría ser un argumento también para Flávio?",1332.66,1334.04,{"idx":1718,"utterance_id":1719,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1720,"start_s":1721,"end_s":1722,"word_count":202,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":1724,"indexable":179},241,"126143","Incluso ya lo ha utilizado.",1335.58,1337.24,0.65,"dice que el argumento ya fue utilizado por otro (descripción de debate).",{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1731,"rationale":1732,"indexable":179},242,"126144","Ahora, ¿cuánto donó al PL?",1338.14,1339.7,0.68,"pregunta retórica sobre el monto donado al PL (contexto informativo).",{"idx":1734,"utterance_id":1735,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1736,"start_s":1737,"end_s":1738,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":87,"target_id":1627,"target_proposition":1628,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":1739,"indexable":179},243,"126145","Estoy seguro de que debe haber sido mucho más al partido de él; no tengo idea, pero debió de haber sido.",1339.74,1345.04,"afirmación especulativa de que la donación al PL fue mayor (relato).",{"idx":1741,"utterance_id":1742,"speaker_name":174,"text":1743,"start_s":1744,"end_s":1745,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":1748,"target_proposition":1749,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":1750,"indexable":179},244,"126146","Perdón, hubo cierto malestar también, porque el Novo está, en muchos estados, coaligado con el PL, principalmente incluso en las elecciones mayoritarias en el Sur.",1346.42,1359.94,"aliancas-politicas","Alianzas políticas","c59559fc-960a-4f1e-a8d1-80b23a1807ad","articular y formar alianzas con partidos para componer la fórmula","señala incomodidad por las coaliciones Novo-PL en los estados (relato\u002Fcuestionamiento).",{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":174,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":1748,"target_proposition":1749,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1731,"rationale":1756,"indexable":179},"126147","¿Eso causó tensiones o un desacuerdo dentro del partido?",1361.46,1366.08,"pregunta sobre desacuerdos internos causados por alianzas (interrogación).",{"idx":1758,"utterance_id":1759,"speaker_name":174,"text":1760,"start_s":1761,"end_s":1762,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},246,"126148","¿Cómo ve usted hoy esa relación?",1366.16,1369.42,{"idx":1764,"utterance_id":1765,"speaker_name":174,"text":1766,"start_s":1767,"end_s":1768,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},247,"126149","¿Llegaron a tambalear las alianzas entre el Novo y el PL?",1369.52,1374.18,{"idx":1770,"utterance_id":1771,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1772,"start_s":1773,"end_s":1774,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},248,"126150","No, Ricardo.",1375.06,1375.74,{"idx":1776,"utterance_id":1777,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1778,"start_s":1779,"end_s":1780,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":1783,"indexable":323},249,"126151","Es lógico que hubo gente a la que no le gustó mi declaración, pero yo dije: mira, mi lucha es contra los intocables.",1375.8,1386,"6d813853-f2d4-42fd-95ab-2decac02d65f","investigar y responsabilizar a políticos por corrupción","declara 'minha luta é contra os intocáveis' como posicionamiento activo.",{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":1790,"indexable":323},250,"126152","Si critiqué a un ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que tuvo una relación cercana con el banquero, voy a criticar a otros.",1387.18,1395.56,"afirma que criticará a ministros con relaciones dudosas (apoya la responsabilización).",{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":1797,"indexable":323},251,"126153","Si mi hijo lo tuviera, criticaré a mi hijo.",1395.8,1397.98,"dice que criticaría hasta a su hijo — defiende la responsabilización igualitaria.",{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":1804,"indexable":323},252,"126154","Es una cuestión de coherencia mía y de mi partido.",1398.86,1402.18,"afirma coherencia personal y partidaria en la crítica a irregularidades.",{"idx":1806,"utterance_id":1807,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1808,"start_s":1809,"end_s":1810,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},253,"126155","La vara que golpea a Chico debe golpear a Francisco.",1403.24,1405.86,{"idx":1812,"utterance_id":1813,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":303,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},254,"126156",1405.9,1406.78,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":209,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":1748,"target_proposition":1749,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1674,"rationale":1822,"indexable":179},255,"126157","Hubo gente a la que no le gustó, no le gustó.",1407.48,1409.4,"relata que hubo desagrado entre afiliados (descripción de reacción).",{"idx":1824,"utterance_id":1825,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1826,"start_s":1827,"end_s":1828,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":1829,"indexable":323},256,"126158","Entonces va y se acerca al banquero delincuente, el que es el galán, el que está haciendo bien por Brasil; aplaúdenlo entonces.",1409.68,1416.8,"critica a quien se acerca al 'banqueiro bandido' y defiende la oposición a eso.",{"idx":1831,"utterance_id":1832,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1833,"start_s":1834,"end_s":1835,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":1836,"indexable":323},257,"126159","Entonces hubo un malestar por parte de muchos, pero no retiro lo que dije.",1417.36,1423.14,"afirma que no se retractará y mantendrá las denuncias (apoyo a la responsabilización).",{"idx":1838,"utterance_id":1839,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1840,"start_s":1841,"end_s":1842,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},258,"126160","Y un punto importante también.",1423.66,1425.44,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":1845,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1846,"start_s":1847,"end_s":1848,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":1748,"target_proposition":1749,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":1849,"indexable":179},259,"126161","El Partido Novo, como usted dijo, hizo alianzas en los estados del Sur y también en Goiás.",1425.62,1431.94,"reconoce que el partido hizo alianzas en el Sur y en Goiás (relato).",{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},260,"126162","Y se nos dijo a nosotros del Partido Novo que no había ningún involucramiento con el banquero delincuente.",1432.02,1439.04,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},261,"126163","Y luego salió a la luz.",1439.54,1440.48,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":1748,"target_proposition":1749,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1650,"rationale":1868,"indexable":179},262,"126164","Entonces si alguien fue engañado ahí, fue... nosotros del Partido Novo, ¿entiende?",1441.68,1446.72,"afirma que el Partido Novo fue engañado sobre el involucramiento (relato).",{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},263,"126165","Porque se nos había dicho: no, aquí estamos limpios.",1447.06,1449.72,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":209,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1701,"rationale":1881,"indexable":179},264,"126166","Después vimos que había suciedad.",1450.12,1451.66,"declara que se descubrió 'sujeira' tras el hecho (descripción de irregularidad).",{"idx":1883,"utterance_id":1884,"speaker_name":174,"text":1885,"start_s":1886,"end_s":1887,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},265,"126167","Gobernador, usted habló hace poco del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y usted hizo una serie de videos, continúa haciendo una serie de videos acerca de los llamados intocables.",1453.24,1464.5,{"idx":1889,"utterance_id":1890,"speaker_name":174,"text":1891,"start_s":1892,"end_s":1893,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},266,"126168","Eso generó gran repercusión, provocó mucha polémica y ahora ha generado un proceso penal en el STJ (Superior Tribunal de Justicia).",1465.62,1475.14,{"idx":1895,"utterance_id":1896,"speaker_name":174,"text":1897,"start_s":1898,"end_s":1899,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},267,"126169","¿Cómo evalúa usted eso?",1476.8,1478.24,{"idx":1901,"utterance_id":1902,"speaker_name":174,"text":1903,"start_s":1904,"end_s":1905,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},268,"126170","¿Usted va a continuar?",1478.38,1479.66,{"idx":1907,"utterance_id":1908,"speaker_name":174,"text":1909,"start_s":1910,"end_s":1911,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},269,"126171","¿Irá hasta el final?",1480.1,1481.04,{"idx":477,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":174,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},"126172","¿Cómo interpreta usted esta situación?",1481.8,1484.34,{"idx":1918,"utterance_id":1919,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1920,"start_s":1921,"end_s":1922,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":1923,"indexable":323},271,"126173","Samer, hoy tenemos una Brasilia viviendo en el lujo y un Brasil en la basura.",1486.02,1493.2,"critica a las élites y afirma que seguirá denunciando a los corruptos (declaración de lucha).",{"idx":1925,"utterance_id":1926,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1927,"start_s":1928,"end_s":1929,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},272,"126174","Políticos en la riqueza y el brasileño en la pobreza.",1494.3,1498.92,{"idx":1931,"utterance_id":1932,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1933,"start_s":1934,"end_s":1935,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},273,"126175","Si nos quedamos callados, cómplices de esta situación, este Brasil nunca cambia.",1500.74,1507.82,{"idx":1937,"utterance_id":1938,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1939,"start_s":1940,"end_s":1941,"word_count":399,"topic_slug":1942,"topic_label":1943,"target_id":1944,"target_proposition":1945,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":1946,"indexable":323},274,"126176","Voy a seguir hablando, ya fui intimado, mi defensa está siendo preparada o ya fue presentada, hay una fecha límite que no recuerdo, pero estoy con mi conciencia, Samir, extremadamente tranquila.",1508.08,1523.34,"liberdade-de-expressao-censura","Libertad de expresión y censura","6269bf21-35df-4d3a-bfc6-a81d81634472","continuar denunciando a intocables a pesar de procesos judiciales","afirma que seguirá hablando pese a las intimaciones y procesos.",{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":1953,"indexable":323},275,"126177","Después de que empecé a criticar a los intocables, empecé a dormir mejor.",1524.08,1529.04,"dice que criticar a los intocables mejoró su conciencia y su rutina (defensa de la acción)",{"idx":1955,"utterance_id":1956,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1957,"start_s":1958,"end_s":1959,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},276,"126178","Creo que eso indica que estoy en armonía conmigo mismo, ¿usted está de acuerdo?",1530.08,1534.96,{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},277,"126179","Cuando uno está omiso, deja de hacer algo que podría hacer; para quien tiene una conciencia más afinada, eso molesta.",1535.4,1545.04,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1969,"start_s":1970,"end_s":1971,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},278,"126180","Y nunca he dormido tan bien en mi vida.",1545.56,1547.72,{"idx":1973,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1975,"start_s":1976,"end_s":1977,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},279,"126181","Incluso le estoy agradeciendo a Dios por eso.",1547.76,1549.92,{"idx":1979,"utterance_id":1980,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1981,"start_s":1982,"end_s":1983,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},280,"126182","Entonces creo que estoy en paz.",1550.3,1551.62,{"idx":1985,"utterance_id":1986,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1987,"start_s":1988,"end_s":1989,"word_count":209,"topic_slug":1942,"topic_label":1943,"target_id":1944,"target_proposition":1945,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":1990,"indexable":179},281,"126183","Si quieren detenerme, que me detengan.",1551.96,1553.9,"declara disposición a ser preso por mantener denuncias (posición política activa)",{"idx":1992,"utterance_id":1993,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1994,"start_s":1995,"end_s":1996,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},282,"126184","Incluso necesito leer algunos libros.",1554.08,1555.9,{"idx":1998,"utterance_id":1999,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2000,"start_s":2001,"end_s":2002,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},283,"126185","Después me das algunas recomendaciones también.",1555.96,1558.22,{"idx":2004,"utterance_id":2005,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2006,"start_s":2007,"end_s":2008,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},284,"126186","Voy a usarlos para descansar y leer.",1558.7,1560.5,{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},285,"126187","Estoy haciendo lo correcto.",1561.04,1562.9,{"idx":2016,"utterance_id":2017,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2018,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},286,"126188","Estoy haciendo aquello que el 99% de los brasileños piensa y con lo que están de acuerdo.",1563.06,1569.34,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":399,"topic_slug":2027,"topic_label":2028,"target_id":2029,"target_proposition":2030,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":2031,"indexable":323},287,"126189","Porque tener un contrato de R$ 129 millones para la esposa, con el banco de un bandido, está clarísimo que es un atentado a la dignidad de los brasileños, a las instituciones, y se trata de un ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",1569.94,1587.76,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ética y integridad pública","c0b1cb0e-6706-4a25-bd83-a3d2bf3488e6","investigar y responsabilizar a autoridades públicas por irregularidades","considera que el contrato de la esposa del ministro es un atentado a la dignidad y pide responsabilización",{"idx":2033,"utterance_id":2034,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2035,"start_s":2036,"end_s":2037,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},288,"126190","Es alguien que tiene un cargo vitalicio.",1588.54,1590.34,{"idx":2039,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},289,"126191","Si fuera un secretario, un no sé quién nombrado allí, sería gravísimo.",1590.96,1596.42,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":193,"topic_slug":2027,"topic_label":2028,"target_id":2029,"target_proposition":2030,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2050,"indexable":323},290,"126192","Pero en un país serio, ya habríamos asistido a la renuncia o a la destitución de ese ministro hace mucho tiempo.",1596.86,1604.74,"afirma que, en un país serio, ya habría habido renuncia\u002Fdimisión (exige responsabilización)",{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},291,"126193","Conozco gente de los grandes bancos.",1605.86,1608.36,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},292,"126194","Ni siquiera Bradesco, Itaú, Santander, que son muchas veces más grandes que Master, hacen contratos de ese tipo de valor, con despachos mucho más grandes.",1608.68,1619.32,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2066,"start_s":2067,"end_s":2068,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},293,"126195","Entonces se ve claramente: tanto se dice que el empresariado brasileño es codicioso.",1620.48,1626.42,{"idx":2070,"utterance_id":2071,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2072,"start_s":2073,"end_s":2074,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},294,"126196","Codiciosa es esa gente que está allí en Brasilia, que ya recibe un buen salario, altísimo para los estándares brasileños.",1626.5,1635.16,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},295,"126197","y aún están ahí queriendo ganar millones aprovechándose del cargo.",1635.9,1640.9,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2087,"indexable":323},296,"126198","Voy a llevar adelante esta lucha, pase lo que pase.",1641.38,1645.12,"dice que llevará adelante la lucha contra la corrupción independientemente de las consecuencias",{"idx":2089,"utterance_id":2090,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2091,"start_s":2092,"end_s":2093,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":2094,"topic_label":2095,"target_id":2096,"target_proposition":2097,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":2098,"indexable":323},297,"126199","Necesitamos gente valiente en Brasil y no hay ningún otro precandidato que haya criticado tanto, además porque yo no estoy comprometido.",1645.94,1654.16,"processo-eleitoral","Proceso electoral","54926623-f488-4f16-a9db-2ad8a80dfe23","lanzar candidatura presidencial para fortalecer el partido y aumentar la bancada","se posiciona como precandidato sin 'rabo preso' y con una agenda anticorrupción",{"idx":2100,"utterance_id":2101,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2102,"start_s":2103,"end_s":2104,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},298,"126200","Toda mi vida fui pagador de impuestos, a diferencia de mis competidores, que siempre han sido receptores.",1654.7,1662.12,{"idx":2106,"utterance_id":2107,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2108,"start_s":2109,"end_s":2110,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},299,"126201","Y si alguien dice: 'No, usted fue gobernador', lo fui.",1662.72,1664.94,{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2114,"start_s":2115,"end_s":2116,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},300,"126202","Pero todo lo que recibí lo doné, principalmente a las APAES.",1665.48,1668.4,{"idx":2118,"utterance_id":2119,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2120,"start_s":2121,"end_s":2122,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},301,"126203","No puse ni un real en el bolsillo.",1668.48,1670.04,{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},302,"126204","Gracias a Dios fui un empresario exitoso.",1670.44,1673.86,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":2135,"indexable":323},303,"126205","Y estoy demostrando que quienes no están comprometidos, y son muy pocos, pueden criticar.",1674.36,1680.8,"afirma que el país necesita quien pueda criticar y responsabilizar a los corruptos",{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},304,"126206","Y es lo que Brasil necesita.",1681.18,1682.84,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":443,"rationale":2147,"indexable":323},"126207","Porque lo que hay en la política es uno encubriendo el crimen del otro.",1683.2,1686.58,"critica la cultura de 'cobertar o crime do outro' y pide responsabilización",{"idx":2149,"utterance_id":2150,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2151,"start_s":2152,"end_s":2153,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},306,"126208","Entonces, de esa manera, este país no sale de esta situación.",1687.82,1691.46,{"idx":2155,"utterance_id":2156,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2157,"start_s":2158,"end_s":2159,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},307,"126209","Es lo que está pasando allá en Brasilia.",1691.66,1693.26,{"idx":2161,"utterance_id":2162,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2163,"start_s":2164,"end_s":2165,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1781,"target_proposition":1782,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":2166,"indexable":323},308,"126210","El presidente del Senado es un archivador de procesos.",1693.68,1697.16,"acusa al presidente del Senado de archivar procesos por intereses (pide investigación)",{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},309,"126211","Todo lo que está mal, él manda archivar, porque está comprometido.",1698.1,1701.38,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},310,"126212","Entonces, ¿qué día vamos a señalar a los culpables y a mandar a la cárcel a quienes lo merecen?",1701.82,1708.08,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},311,"126213","Nunca.",1708.16,1708.48,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":174,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},312,"126214","Aún sobre ese pasado suyo de empresario, gobernador, ¿qué le sorprendió más negativamente cuando se convirtió en gestor público, al ver que las cosas no funcionan, qué fue lo que más entorpeció?",1709.74,1722.58,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":174,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},"126215","¿Y qué, por otro lado, fue una sorpresa positiva?",1723.22,1725.12,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":174,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},314,"126216","Pues, esto no esperaba que fuera tan bueno dentro de una máquina pública.",1725.22,1729.04,{"idx":2203,"utterance_id":2204,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2205,"start_s":2206,"end_s":2207,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},315,"126217","Hay ambas cosas.",1729.78,1731.12,{"idx":2209,"utterance_id":2210,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2211,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},316,"126218","Primero, Renato, la máquina pública es un manantial de oportunidades.",1731.92,1736.12,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},317,"126219","Para quien sabe hacer gestión, eso es un matorral con maleza de 5 metros de altura.",1736.26,1742.14,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},318,"126220","Con cualquier hoz sin filo se hace un trabajo estupendo.",1742.64,1746.12,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},319,"126221","Hasta con la mano, ¿sabes?",1746.94,1748.32,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},320,"126222","Vas quitando la maleza poco a poco.",1748.38,1751.1,{"idx":2239,"utterance_id":2240,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2241,"start_s":2242,"end_s":2243,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":2244,"target_proposition":2245,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2246,"indexable":323},321,"126223","Tanto es así que dije: corté 50 mil cargos, mejorando la máquina pública.",1752.06,1756.42,"1800c51a-cfc1-4494-8016-eff47ea1ed85","implementar evaluación por desempeño y programas de capacitación para servidores públicos","reitera que recortó 50 mil cargos para mejorar la máquina pública (reivindicación)",{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},322,"126224","Entonces hay mucha gente competente.",1757,1759.88,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":2259,"target_proposition":2260,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":2261,"indexable":179},323,"126225","Pero cuando predomina la politiquería, ¿qué sucede?",1760.4,1764.48,"7f47a2da-90db-4c06-8848-31a877519244","mejorar la gestión pública","describe el efecto del politiqueo sobre los competentes (crítica descriptiva)",{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},324,"126226","Los competentes se quedan ahí en el cuartito cerrado.",1764.96,1767.68,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2271,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2273,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},325,"126227","Vas a tener que dedicarte solo a 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una sola razón.",1788.14,1795.32,{"idx":2299,"utterance_id":2300,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2301,"start_s":2302,"end_s":2303,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2304,"target_proposition":2305,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2306,"indexable":323},330,"126232","El Estado hizo una mejora en la merienda escolar como nunca antes.",1797.06,1803.6,"593bc98d-8347-4486-86f9-d4485015abfe","aumentar los fondos para la merienda escolar","compara la inversión de 23M con 530M y defiende mejoras en la merienda escolar",{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},331,"126233","Para que se haga una idea, el último año del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), 2018, la inversión en merienda escolar está en las cuentas públicas.",1804.18,1811.48,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},332,"126234","Fueron 23 millones de reais.",1811.58,1814.1,{"idx":2320,"utterance_id":2321,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2322,"start_s":2323,"end_s":2324,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},333,"126235","23.",1814.12,1814.14,{"idx":2326,"utterance_id":2327,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2328,"start_s":2329,"end_s":2330,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2304,"target_proposition":2305,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":2331,"indexable":323},334,"126236","El año pasado, mi último año como gobernador, fueron 530 millones de reais.",1816.7,1822.18,"atribuye la ampliación de la inversión a su gestión — reivindica acción 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Todo el tiempo que estuve allí, más de un millón de niños y jóvenes teniendo una comida, una comida igual a la que yo tomo en mi casa.",1831.66,1843.24,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},338,"126240","No es diferente.",1843.72,1844.74,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},339,"126241","Todos los días hay carne, todos los días hay fruta, hay verduras.",1845.2,1848.92,{"idx":2363,"utterance_id":2364,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2365,"start_s":2366,"end_s":2367,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},340,"126242","Antes eso no existía.",1849.58,1851.18,{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},341,"126243","Entre nosotros, era un fraude.",1851.82,1853.68,{"idx":2375,"utterance_id":2376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2377,"start_s":2378,"end_s":2379,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},342,"126244","Eso cuando las profesoras y las directoras conseguían recaudar dinero y paliar el hambre de los niños.",1855.14,1861.46,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},"126245","Entonces... te sientes satisfecho de estar haciéndolo.",1862.32,1866.26,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},344,"126246","Ahora, las dificultades tienen mucho que ver con la velocidad.",1866.42,1870.04,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},345,"126247","Ser gestor público es a veces una fábrica de frustración.",1871.28,1876.44,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},346,"126248","Quería haber hecho 5 mil cosas y conseguí hacer 2 mil.",1877.4,1881.7,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},347,"126249","Pero si me comparo con mis antecesores allí que hicieron 50, me siento satisfecho, ¿no estás de acuerdo?",1882.78,1890.76,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},348,"126250","Si me comparo con mis planes, me siento extremadamente frustrado.",1891.14,1896.1,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},349,"126251","Entonces, creo que hay que ir bailando según la música.",1896.58,1900.48,{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":2427,"topic_label":2428,"target_id":2429,"target_proposition":2430,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":2431,"indexable":323},350,"126252","Hay mucha oportunidad y mucha burocracia a la hora de hacer un puente sobre el Río São Francisco, que estamos haciendo.",1901.26,1910.4,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infraestructura y saneamiento","c39a9519-221a-4ab3-a16d-eac01a74e805","planificar, licitar y preparar obras públicas para futura entrega","relata retrasos por contratado incapaz y judicializaciones, pidiendo mejora en los procesos",{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},351,"126253","La constructora que ganó no tenía condiciones para ejecutar.",1911.36,1915.76,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},352,"126254","Comenzó y paró, todo ahí se retrasó dos años, ¿entiendes?",1916.22,1919.8,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},353,"126255","Y no puedes decir que ese tipo que ganó no está capacitado, porque cumplió los requisitos allí.",1919.84,1926.82,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},354,"126256","Y el segundo acude a la justicia, la obra se detiene; entonces hay esos disgustos, es esa burocracia que no existe en lo privado.",1927.34,1935.3,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":174,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":462,"indexable":179},355,"126257","Y gobernador, uno de los temas que necesita urgentemente gestión es... la seguridad pública en Brasil; todas las encuestas muestran que la cuestión de la seguridad o la falta de seguridad es priorizada por la población en todo el país como uno de los desafíos para el próximo presidente de la República.",1935.64,1954.14,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":174,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},356,"126258","Primero, ¿cómo ve usted ese reconocimiento por parte de los Estados Unidos de PCC y Comando Vermelho como organizaciones terroristas y qué espera usted de esa decisión en términos de efectos concretos?",1955.82,1968.78,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":174,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},357,"126259","¿Y qué necesita hacer Brasil por su cuenta, en lugar de esperar que una solución venga desde fuera para el problema de la seguridad pública?",1969.5,1978.42,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},358,"126260","Ricardo, primero quiero darles mis felicitaciones por la serie sobre El Salvador.",1979.54,1985.96,{"idx":2481,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2483,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2488,"indexable":323},359,"126261","Y allí creo que muestra mucho de la solución.",1987.68,1990.08,"a1f41d00-8f31-4b44-81e0-3544611a7999","endurecer la legislación penal y tipificar la pertenencia a organizaciones criminales","dice que la experiencia de El Salvador orienta a encuadrar a las facciones como terroristas (propone medida)",{"idx":2490,"utterance_id":2491,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2492,"start_s":2493,"end_s":2494,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},360,"126262","Estuve allí, creo que fui el único precandidato que fue a El Salvador para conocer",1991.24,1998.72,{"idx":2496,"utterance_id":2497,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2498,"start_s":2499,"end_s":2500,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},361,"126263","esa experiencia que, por lo que sé, es única en la historia de la humanidad.",1999.34,2004.16,{"idx":2502,"utterance_id":2503,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2504,"start_s":2505,"end_s":2506,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":2507,"indexable":323},362,"126264","Una reducción del 99% en los homicidios en un período de cuatro años.",2005.2,2011.48,"relata la reducción de homicidios en El Salvador como dato empírico",{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},363,"126265","Allí están salvando, anualmente, miles de vidas.",2013.08,2016.64,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":368,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":2520,"indexable":323},364,"126266","Y lo que hizo El Salvador es una orientación para lo que Brasil necesita hacer, que es... encuadrar como terroristas a todos aquellos que están en facciones u organizaciones criminales.",2017.58,2035.26,"defiende específicamente 'enquadrar como terroristas' a las facciones criminales",{"idx":2522,"utterance_id":2523,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2524,"start_s":2525,"end_s":2526,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2527,"indexable":323},365,"126267","Eso se hizo allí: pena mínima de 25 años, sin derecho a ningún beneficio.",2035.5,2042.86,"cita pena mínima de 25 años sin beneficios como modelo a seguir",{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2531,"start_s":2532,"end_s":2533,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},366,"126268","Estamos hablando de gente que mata por cualquier motivo.",2043.54,2046.38,{"idx":2535,"utterance_id":2536,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2537,"start_s":2538,"end_s":2539,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},367,"126269","Estuve allí, hablé con las autoridades federales, vicepresidentes, ministro de seguridad pública, pero me aseguré principalmente de conversar más con la población humilde.",2047.56,2059.78,{"idx":2541,"utterance_id":2542,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2543,"start_s":2544,"end_s":2545,"word_count":169,"indexable":179},368,"126270","Fui a las comunidades, hablé con el dueño del bar, con el dueño del taller mecánico, con el conductor de la app, con el camionero, con la vendedora ambulante, con el estudiante; hablé con más de 40 personas, todas.",2060.36,2076.28,{"idx":2547,"utterance_id":2548,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2549,"start_s":2550,"end_s":2551,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},369,"126271","Sin excepción.",2076.96,2077.94,{"idx":2553,"utterance_id":2554,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2555,"start_s":2556,"end_s":2557,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},370,"126272","Dijeron: \"mi vida mejoró mucho, gracias a Dios y al presidente que está ahí haciendo los cambios\".",2078.02,2085.88,{"idx":2559,"utterance_id":2560,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2561,"start_s":2562,"end_s":2563,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},371,"126273","Nadie criticó, todos eran extorsionados.",2086.72,2090.84,{"idx":2565,"utterance_id":2566,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2567,"start_s":2568,"end_s":2569,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},372,"126274","El dueño del bar me dijo: \"tenía que pagar 300 dólares al mes al crimen organizado aquí\".",2091.78,2100.22,{"idx":2571,"utterance_id":2572,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2573,"start_s":2574,"end_s":2575,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},373,"126275","Todos los demás tenían que pagar... un extra en la factura del agua, en la factura de la energía, en la factura de internet, todo.",2101.42,2110.54,{"idx":2577,"utterance_id":2578,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2579,"start_s":2580,"end_s":2581,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},374,"126276","Y eso está ocurriendo aquí en Brasil.",2111.58,2113.28,{"idx":2583,"utterance_id":2584,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2585,"start_s":2586,"end_s":2587,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},375,"126277","Pero nuestra élite, esos políticos que viven en el lujo, no se enteran de esto, no les importa.",2114.74,2122.38,{"idx":2589,"utterance_id":2590,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2591,"start_s":2592,"end_s":2593,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},376,"126278","Tanto es así que el año pasado, en octubre, en aquella operación conducida por el gobierno del Rio de Janeiro, la mayor aprobación fue de quienes vivían",2122.98,2131.52,{"idx":2595,"utterance_id":2596,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2597,"start_s":2598,"end_s":2599,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},377,"126279","en la comunidad y son ellos los que pagan el pato.",2131.96,2135.42,{"idx":2601,"utterance_id":2602,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2603,"start_s":2604,"end_s":2605,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":2606,"rationale":2607,"indexable":323},378,"126280","Pero, en resumen, lo que quiero para Brasil es aumentar el costo del crimen.",2136.38,2142.16,0.87,"declara el objetivo de 'aumentar o custo do crime' para reducir la criminalidad",{"idx":2609,"utterance_id":2610,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2611,"start_s":2612,"end_s":2613,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},379,"126281","En el momento en que aumentemos el costo del crimen, la criminalidad en Brasil se desploma.",2143.08,2149.16,{"idx":2615,"utterance_id":2616,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2617,"start_s":2618,"end_s":2619,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},380,"126282","No va a caer simplemente, no.",2149.24,2150,{"idx":2621,"utterance_id":2622,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2623,"start_s":2624,"end_s":2625,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},381,"126283","Va a desplomarse.",2150.04,2151.26,{"idx":2627,"utterance_id":2628,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2629,"start_s":2630,"end_s":2631,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},382,"126284","Voy a dar un ejemplo que tuve en Minas Gerais.",2151.98,2154.88,{"idx":2633,"utterance_id":2634,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2635,"start_s":2636,"end_s":2637,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},383,"126285","2021, ciudad de Varginha, sur de Minas.",2154.9,2160.8,{"idx":2639,"utterance_id":2640,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2641,"start_s":2642,"end_s":2643,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},384,"126286","Nuestra Policía Militar de Minas Gerais detectó movimiento sospechoso.",2162.46,2168.68,{"idx":2645,"utterance_id":2646,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2647,"start_s":2648,"end_s":2649,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},385,"126287","28 hombres alquilaron una propiedad rural.",2168.7,2172.54,{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},386,"126288","Pensaron: ¿será un retiro espiritual?",2173.98,2175.98,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},387,"126289","¿Será que es para hacer una fiesta?",2176.9,2179.72,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},388,"126290","Fueron a averiguar, fueron recibidos a balazos.",2180.74,2184.32,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},389,"126291","Hubo un enfrentamiento, el resultado final fueron 28 muertos",2185.3,2190.74,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},390,"126292","por parte de los criminales; ninguno por parte de la policía.",2191.72,2195.92,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},391,"126293","Ese grupo estaba allí con un arsenal de guerra, armamento pesado, para realizar esas acciones del nuevo cangaço.",2197.06,2205.8,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},392,"126294","Explosiones de bancos y cajeros automáticos.",2206.34,2210.12,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},393,"126295","Van a una ciudad pequeña, por la noche, incendian autobuses y camiones frente al cuartel para inmovilizar a la policía y salen explotando los cajeros y los bancos de la ciudad.",2210.6,2222.06,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":2704,"indexable":323},394,"126296","Después de ese acontecimiento en Minas, el nuevo cangaço desapareció.",2223.44,2228.62,"describe una operación en Minas y la consiguiente reducción del 'novo cangaço' (relato)",{"idx":2706,"utterance_id":2707,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2708,"start_s":2709,"end_s":2710,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},395,"126297","En 2016 tuvimos 263 ocurrencias.",2229.6,2234.38,{"idx":2712,"utterance_id":2713,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2714,"start_s":2715,"end_s":2716,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},396,"126298","263.",2234.4,2234.42,{"idx":2718,"utterance_id":2719,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2720,"start_s":2721,"end_s":2722,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},397,"126299","El año pasado, dos.",2236.56,2237.84,{"idx":2724,"utterance_id":2725,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2726,"start_s":2727,"end_s":2728,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},398,"126300","El bandido va a donde el monte dará leña.",2239.2,2242.74,{"idx":2730,"utterance_id":2731,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2732,"start_s":2733,"end_s":2734,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},399,"126301","A donde vaya a llevar la 'burduada', él no va.",2243.66,2246.72,{"idx":2736,"utterance_id":2737,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2738,"start_s":2739,"end_s":2740,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},400,"126302","Así que allí en Minas señalizamos cómo actuar.",2247.16,2250.22,{"idx":2742,"utterance_id":2743,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2744,"start_s":2745,"end_s":2746,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},401,"126303","Y en el momento en que Brasil haga eso, el bandido cambia de profesión o se irá a otro país, con toda seguridad.",2250.56,2256.74,{"idx":2748,"utterance_id":2749,"speaker_name":174,"text":2750,"start_s":2751,"end_s":2752,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},402,"126304","Existe una polémica sobre que los policías tengan cámaras corporales para filmar toda la operación.",2259.3,2267.04,{"idx":2754,"utterance_id":2755,"speaker_name":174,"text":2756,"start_s":2757,"end_s":2758,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},403,"126305","¿Usted está a favor o en contra?",2267.74,2269.48,{"idx":2760,"utterance_id":2761,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2762,"start_s":2763,"end_s":2764,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},404,"126306","Samir, esa cuestión... Es bastante polémica.",2272.14,2277.02,{"idx":2766,"utterance_id":2767,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2768,"start_s":2769,"end_s":2770,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2773,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":2775,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":2776,"indexable":323},405,"126307","Estoy en contra en el sentido de que la cámara vulnere la privacidad del policía.",2278.3,2286.16,"politica-tecnologica","Política tecnológica","046d0f56-1b51-4b9a-9f91-9c7558d60b71","implantar cámaras policiales (corporales y veiculares) con salvaguardas de privacidad","contra","declara 'sou contra' por el riesgo a la privacidad de los policías",{"idx":2778,"utterance_id":2779,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2780,"start_s":2781,"end_s":2782,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},406,"126308","Vas al baño y esa cámara está filmando.",2287.56,2290.4,{"idx":2784,"utterance_id":2785,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2786,"start_s":2787,"end_s":2788,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},407,"126309","Si permaneciera filmando todo el tiempo.",2290.88,2292.94,{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},408,"126310","Estás en un descanso para tomar un café, llamas a tu novia, tu novia aparece allí para tomar un café contigo, ella está filmando.",2292.98,2301.08,{"idx":2796,"utterance_id":2797,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2798,"start_s":2799,"end_s":2800,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2773,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":2606,"rationale":2801,"indexable":323},409,"126311","Entonces, si ésta tuviera mecanismos para preservar la privacidad, y se colocara para funcionar durante las operaciones, yo estaría totalmente a favor.",2301.82,2315.62,"afirma ser 'totalmente favorável' si existen mecanismos que preserven la privacidad",{"idx":2803,"utterance_id":2804,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2805,"start_s":2806,"end_s":2807,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2773,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":2808,"indexable":323},410,"126312","Creo que las cámaras en el vehículo de la policía ya ayudan bastante.",2316.3,2320.74,"defiende cámaras en vehículos policiales como herramienta útil para registrar acciones policiales",{"idx":2810,"utterance_id":2811,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2812,"start_s":2813,"end_s":2814,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},411,"126313","mostrar una persecución, mostrar la escena en la que está actuando allí, que vemos que es cada vez más común.",2321.42,2328.24,{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},412,"126314","Entonces, hablé mucho con policías sobre eso.",2328.96,2332.1,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},413,"126315","Entonces, tenemos que encontrar algo que lo haga viable, porque incluso para el policía puede ser una seguridad, porque a veces está allí abordando a alguien con educación.",2332.42,2342,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},414,"126316","Y el sujeto le escupe en la cara, lo insulta, lo desacata, y la cámara puede estar mostrando eso claramente.",2342.78,2351.3,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},415,"126317","Pero está ese aspecto de la privacidad, que genera un gran malestar.",2351.9,2358.16,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2845,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":443,"rationale":2846,"indexable":323},416,"126318","Entonces, soy favorable siempre que logremos encontrar un modo de corregirlo.",2359.08,2363.96,"1dd9b0ca-7a24-4ab6-9be4-ee66498da40d","reitera apoyo condicional a las cámaras si se resuelven los problemas de privacidad",{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2845,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":2853,"indexable":323},417,"126319","Incluso, durante mi gobierno en Minas, iniciamos una implementación piloto para evaluación y para intentar corregir esos problemas.",2364.02,2373.36,"informa que inició un piloto durante su gobierno, reivindicando acción práctica",{"idx":2855,"utterance_id":2856,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2857,"start_s":2858,"end_s":2859,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2845,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":2860,"indexable":323},418,"126320","Tenemos que respetar al policía, su privacidad, pero también debemos darle esa herramienta con la cual puede protegerse.",2373.96,2381.06,"defiende conciliar el respeto a la privacidad con una herramienta de protección para el policía",{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2864,"start_s":2865,"end_s":2866,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":2771,"topic_label":2772,"target_id":2845,"target_proposition":2774,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":2867,"indexable":179},419,"126321","Hoy, uno de los grandes miedos de los policías es que les abran procesos disciplinarios, que se han venido multiplicando cada vez más.",2381.92,2391.26,"relata el miedo de los policías a procesos disciplinarios (contexto justificativo)",{"idx":2869,"utterance_id":2870,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2871,"start_s":2872,"end_s":2873,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},420,"126322","El policía hoy, Samir, tiene miedo de abordar a las personas.",2391.88,2396.82,{"idx":2875,"utterance_id":2876,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2877,"start_s":2878,"end_s":2879,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},421,"126323","Si él aborda a alguien con la característica X, mañana va a responder en un proceso administrativo, disciplinario, por ser x-fóbico.",2397.6,2408.94,{"idx":2881,"utterance_id":2882,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2883,"start_s":2884,"end_s":2885,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},422,"126324","¿Entiendes?",2409.6,2410.46,{"idx":2887,"utterance_id":2888,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2889,"start_s":2890,"end_s":2891,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},423,"126325","Es algo medio surreal.",2410.54,2412.86,{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2895,"start_s":2896,"end_s":2897,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},424,"126326","El policía anda con pies de plomo.",2413.2,2415.46,{"idx":2899,"utterance_id":2900,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2901,"start_s":2902,"end_s":2903,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},425,"126327","Entonces una cámara de ese tipo puede darles más seguridad para hacer las intervenciones.",2415.54,2420.9,{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},426,"126328","Porque al llegar a una audiencia, lo que prevalece generalmente es la versión de la víctima.",2421.2,2428.12,{"idx":2911,"utterance_id":2912,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2913,"start_s":2914,"end_s":2915,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},427,"126329","No, él me empujó.",2428.58,2429.74,{"idx":2917,"utterance_id":2918,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2919,"start_s":2920,"end_s":2921,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},428,"126330","No, él me desacató.",2430.2,2431.64,{"idx":2923,"utterance_id":2924,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2925,"start_s":2926,"end_s":2927,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},429,"126331","No, esto que me hirió fue él.",2431.8,2433.78,{"idx":2929,"utterance_id":2930,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2931,"start_s":2932,"end_s":2933,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},430,"126332","A veces ya se había herido antes, en una pelea allí, en el bar, no sé qué.",2433.84,2438.34,{"idx":2935,"utterance_id":2936,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2937,"start_s":2938,"end_s":2939,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},431,"126333","Entonces, el policía necesita más protección.",2438.84,2441.18,{"idx":2941,"utterance_id":2942,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2943,"start_s":2944,"end_s":2945,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},432,"126334","Pero tenemos que encontrar un camino que le dé tranquilidad.",2441.24,2444.24,{"idx":2947,"utterance_id":2948,"speaker_name":174,"text":2949,"start_s":2950,"end_s":2951,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},433,"126335","De acuerdo, para cerrar este asunto de seguridad, hay una pregunta enviada por Marcos Scavoni, que es miembro de nuestro Consejo Editorial Consultivo, formado por algunos miembros aquí de Brasil Paralelo.",2444.74,2457.34,{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":174,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},434,"126336","Él quisiera saber de usted, en relación con los decretos del presidente Lula sobre las armas de fuego.",2458.1,2464.04,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":174,"text":2961,"start_s":2962,"end_s":2963,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},435,"126337","¿Cómo trata usted este asunto?",2464.36,2465.8,{"idx":2965,"utterance_id":2966,"speaker_name":174,"text":2967,"start_s":2968,"end_s":2969,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},436,"126338","¿Está usted a favor de una legislación más favorable?",2465.86,2468.94,{"idx":2971,"utterance_id":2972,"speaker_name":174,"text":2973,"start_s":2974,"end_s":2975,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},437,"126339","¿El ciudadano común tiene acceso a las armas o no?",2469.32,2471.78,{"idx":2977,"utterance_id":2978,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2979,"start_s":2980,"end_s":2981,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":2986,"indexable":323},438,"126340","Renato, ¿alguien necesita autorización para comprar un cuchillo?",2473.58,2477.82,"politica-de-armas","Política de armas","3b62a582-3444-456c-a4d6-63dcdc3c749f","facilitar el acceso a armas de fuego para ciudadanos sin antecedentes penales","usa comparación con una faca para argumentar contra restricciones a ciudadanos 'de bem'",{"idx":2988,"utterance_id":2989,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2990,"start_s":2991,"end_s":2992,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},439,"126341","Cualquier niño va al supermercado y lo compra.",2478.84,2481.32,{"idx":2994,"utterance_id":2995,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2996,"start_s":2997,"end_s":2998,"word_count":215,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":2999,"indexable":179},440,"126342","Un arma de fuego no es un cuchillo.",2481.92,2483.24,"afirma 'Arma de fogo não é faca' como argumento a favor de la flexibilización",{"idx":3001,"utterance_id":3002,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3003,"start_s":3004,"end_s":3005,"word_count":209,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":443,"rationale":3006,"indexable":179},441,"126343","Pero no podemos restringir.",2484.3,2488.16,"declara que no se puede restringir el uso de armas a las personas de bien (opinión normativa)",{"idx":3008,"utterance_id":3009,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3010,"start_s":3011,"end_s":3012,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":3013,"indexable":323},442,"126344","el uso de armas por quienes quieren y son gente de bien.",2489.26,2492.9,"defiende que los ciudadanos 'do bem' tengan acceso mientras los malos consiguen contrabandear.",{"idx":3015,"utterance_id":3016,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3017,"start_s":3018,"end_s":3019,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":3020,"indexable":323},443,"126345","Porque en Brasil hoy tienen acceso a armas de fuego quienes son delincuentes.",2493.98,2498.22,"afirma que los criminales consiguen contrabandear armas (relato\u002Fargumento).",{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},444,"126346","Quienes son delincuentes consiguen contrabandear, comprar en el mercado negro cuando quieran.",2499.26,2505.02,{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":3033,"indexable":179},445,"126347","Quien es de bien va a enfrentarse a una burocracia gigantesca.",2505.44,2509.66,"afirma que los ciudadanos de bien enfrentan burocracia para obtener armas (descripción crítica).",{"idx":3035,"utterance_id":3036,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3037,"start_s":3038,"end_s":3039,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3040,"indexable":323},446,"126348","Ahora, si es una persona que tiene antecedentes con la policía, que tiene un historial problemático, problemas de conducta, eso es totalmente contrario.",2510.66,2518.48,"dice ser contrario a permitir el acceso a quien tiene antecedentes policiales (condición para la facilitación).",{"idx":3042,"utterance_id":3043,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3044,"start_s":3045,"end_s":3046,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},447,"126349","Pero estamos hablando de que eso es una fracción pequeña.",2519.1,2521.02,{"idx":3048,"utterance_id":3049,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3050,"start_s":3051,"end_s":3052,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":2984,"target_proposition":2985,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":3053,"indexable":323},448,"126350","Ahora, quien viaja solo, como yo he viajado muchas veces, me han atracado tres veces en mi vida.",2521.74,2528.14,"relato personal usado para justificar que un arma podría haber sido útil (apoyo a la flexibilización).",{"idx":3055,"utterance_id":3056,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3057,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},449,"126351","Una de ellas en la carretera.",2528.56,2529.68,{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},450,"126352","Si yo hubiera tenido un arma allí, podría haber sido diferente.",2530.54,2533.62,{"idx":3067,"utterance_id":3068,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3069,"start_s":3070,"end_s":3071,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},451,"126353","¿Lo entiendes?",2533.66,2534.6,{"idx":3073,"utterance_id":3074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3075,"start_s":3076,"end_s":3077,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},452,"126354","Las otras veces, inclusive, aquí en São Paulo.",2535.14,2537.12,{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},453,"126355","La otra fue en Minas.",2537.2,2538.2,{"idx":3085,"utterance_id":3086,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3087,"start_s":3088,"end_s":3089,"word_count":293,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":650,"rationale":3092,"indexable":323},454,"126356","Entonces, yo estoy a favor de esa arma, que es para seguridad personal, para personas que tienen, digamos, la capacidad psicológica de saber el peligro que eso representa y usarla adecuadamente.",2539.04,2553.38,"308ddb6d-1180-447c-8a08-c8f6c6fd6e0e","liberar porte y posesión de armas para la población","declara explícitamente 'sou favorável' al arma para la seguridad personal.",{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3099,"target_proposition":3100,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":3101,"indexable":179},455,"126357","Lo que estamos viendo en Brasil es una carrera armamentista por parte de los delincuentes y una población totalmente expuesta y vulnerable.",2554.5,2565.44,"d0ea1eb9-9530-48d7-90b3-ef18ddea699c","conducir acciones federales contra el tráfico de drogas y el comercio de armas","describe una 'corrida armamentista' sin proponer una medida específica.",{"idx":3103,"utterance_id":3104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3105,"start_s":3106,"end_s":3107,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":3108,"stance_confidence":1674,"rationale":3109,"indexable":179},456,"126358","No voy a decir que soy pro-armas, no.",2566.26,2568.06,"ambiguo","niega la etiqueta 'pró-arma' sin repudiar la política que defiende.",{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":650,"rationale":3116,"indexable":323},457,"126359","Estoy a favor de permitir que compren quienes quieren y son gente de bien.",2568.3,2571.46,"dice claramente 'sou a favor de deixar comprar quem quer e é do bem'.",{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},458,"126360","Simplemente eso.",2572.28,2573.3,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},459,"126361","No voy a hacerle propaganda a nadie.",2573.68,2575.96,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},460,"126362","No diré 'compre'.",2576.16,2576.98,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":3141,"indexable":323},461,"126363","Pero tampoco podemos impedir que el ciudadano de bien que quiere tener un arma en su establecimiento, que ya ha sido asaltado no sé cuántas veces, quede impedido de tener esa arma.",2577.52,2588.28,"defiende el derecho del ciudadano 'do bem' a tener un arma después de asaltos.",{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":2982,"topic_label":2983,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3148,"indexable":179},462,"126364","Entonces es algo que va en esa línea.",2588.76,2590.92,"resume la posición anterior: 'algo que vai nessa linha'.",{"idx":3150,"utterance_id":3151,"speaker_name":174,"text":3152,"start_s":3153,"end_s":3154,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},463,"126365","¿Usted siente que esta elección se desarrollará en un clima de plena libertad de expresión?",2595.34,2600.12,{"idx":3156,"utterance_id":3157,"speaker_name":174,"text":3158,"start_s":3159,"end_s":3160,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},464,"126366","¿Cómo percibe usted el panorama de la libertad de expresión en Brasil hoy?",2602.76,2608.1,{"idx":3162,"utterance_id":3163,"speaker_name":174,"text":3164,"start_s":3165,"end_s":3166,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},465,"126367","¿Vive Brasil un momento de amenaza, de censura, o usted va a la campaña sintiéndose libre para decir lo que le plazca?",2608.14,2619.26,{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3177,"indexable":323},466,"126368","Ricardo, por la citación... la acción judicial que recibí la semana pasada, ya me di cuenta de que quieren cercenarme.",2620.32,2629.76,"liberdade-religiosa-e-de-expressao","Libertad Religiosa y de Expresión","c5bce490-d16a-4576-a19d-6b5c3e1c1f21","proteger la libertad de expresión","afirma que la acción judicial lo está 'cercear' y se muestra preocupado por la censura.",{"idx":3179,"utterance_id":3180,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3181,"start_s":3182,"end_s":3183,"word_count":193,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":3184,"indexable":323},467,"126369","Tener miedo de un muñequito, de una sátira, que es algo muy común en una democracia, ¿no?",2631.86,2637.92,"defiende la sátira y critica el miedo a la censura como incompatible con la democracia.",{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":3191,"indexable":323},468,"126370","Y si presentó una demanda contra mí, parece que se dio por aludido.",2638.64,2643.44,"interpreta la acción judicial contra él como un intento de silenciarlo.",{"idx":3193,"utterance_id":3194,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3195,"start_s":3196,"end_s":3197,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3198,"target_proposition":3199,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":3200,"indexable":179},469,"126371","Ministro del STF utilizando el jet de un bandido.",2644.14,2648.92,"840156e0-cda2-4798-bb99-e7eba875f67f","investigar y sancionar la corrupción y recuperar recursos públicos","acusa al ministro del STF de usar 'jatinho de bandido' — pide consecuencias.",{"idx":3202,"utterance_id":3203,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3204,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3207,"target_proposition":3208,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":3209,"indexable":323},470,"126372","Entre nosotros... En un país serio, esto ya habría tenido otras consecuencias.",2650.78,2656.72,"43fee9fb-f934-4192-a4a9-1637d2154705","investigar y sancionar el abuso de autoridad por miembros del Poder Judicial","dice que en un país serio habría consecuencias, pidiendo responsabilización.",{"idx":3211,"utterance_id":3212,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3213,"start_s":3214,"end_s":3215,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},471,"126373","Y que mencionar eso se considere ofensivo.",2657.48,2661,{"idx":3217,"utterance_id":3218,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3219,"start_s":3220,"end_s":3221,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},472,"126374","Entonces, me preocupa mucho.",2662.3,2664.7,{"idx":3223,"utterance_id":3224,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3225,"start_s":3226,"end_s":3227,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":3228,"indexable":323},473,"126375","Estamos viendo un intento creciente de callar a quien discrepa, utilizando al poder judicial como un instrumento censor.",2665.24,2676.9,"habla de 'tentativa crescente de calar quem discorda' vía el poder judicial.",{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":3235,"indexable":323},474,"126376","para poder callar bocas, evitar determinados temas, pero yo voy a continuar, ¿entiendes?",2677.56,2684.32,"declara que seguirá hablando a pesar de intentos de silenciar temas.",{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1701,"rationale":3242,"indexable":323},475,"126377","Hagan lo que quieran contra mí, como ya dije, estoy con la conciencia tranquila.",2684.54,2689.54,"rechaza ser intimidado y afirma tener la conciencia tranquila, defendiendo la libre expresión.",{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":3249,"indexable":323},476,"126378","Si fuera para ser una ovejita más, me quedaría en mi casa, no haría falta, porque las ovejitas están allí para obedecer y decir amén.",2689.92,2697.7,"retórica anticonformista; se posiciona en contra de la autocensura.",{"idx":3251,"utterance_id":3252,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3253,"start_s":3254,"end_s":3255,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},477,"126379","Estoy aquí para hacer las cosas de distinta manera.",2697.74,2699.24,{"idx":3257,"utterance_id":3258,"speaker_name":174,"text":3259,"start_s":3260,"end_s":3261,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},478,"126380","Esa encuesta reciente que fue suspendida por Cássio Nunes, ¿usted la consideró una censura, no?",2700.74,2707.2,{"idx":3263,"utterance_id":3264,"speaker_name":174,"text":3265,"start_s":3266,"end_s":3267,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},479,"126381","Hubo una declaración al respecto.",2707.24,2708.88,{"idx":3269,"utterance_id":3270,"speaker_name":174,"text":3271,"start_s":3272,"end_s":3273,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},480,"126382","¿Llegó a tener más detalles sobre cómo se basó esa decisión?",2709.76,2713.06,{"idx":3275,"utterance_id":3276,"speaker_name":174,"text":3277,"start_s":3278,"end_s":3279,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},481,"126383","¿Cómo lo evalúa usted?",2713.18,2713.82,{"idx":3281,"utterance_id":3282,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3283,"start_s":3284,"end_s":3285,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":3286,"indexable":179},482,"126384","No, pero considero que es una censura.",2714.44,2716.76,"afirma que la suspensión de la investigación fue 'uma censura'.",{"idx":3288,"utterance_id":3289,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3290,"start_s":3291,"end_s":3292,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},483,"126385","Cuando uno tiene una encuesta que siguió criterios técnicos, que está todo claro cómo se hizo... Alguien puede incluso decir, no, esta encuesta está sesgada porque se preguntó de ese modo.",2716.86,2729.18,{"idx":3294,"utterance_id":3295,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3296,"start_s":3297,"end_s":3298,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},484,"126386","No, esta encuesta está sesgada porque se hizo por internet, la muestra de internet no es tan representativa del mundo real.",2729.6,2736.68,{"idx":3300,"utterance_id":3301,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3302,"start_s":3303,"end_s":3304,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},485,"126387","Usted hace las interpretaciones.",2736.74,2738.4,{"idx":3306,"utterance_id":3307,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3308,"start_s":3309,"end_s":3310,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3311,"target_proposition":3312,"stance":2775,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3313,"indexable":323},486,"126388","Ahora, prohibir la publicación, no estoy de acuerdo.",2738.82,2742.82,"2e665331-db81-4818-9652-1abf0ed574da","prohibir la publicación de encuestas","declara explícitamente 'proibir a publicação, eu não concordo'.",{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":174,"text":3317,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},487,"126389","Bueno, hablando de encuestas, gobernador, lo que hemos percibido es una especie de meseta.",2744.48,2753.66,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":174,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":432,"indexable":179},488,"126390","En realidad, tenemos dos candidatos al frente, que en este momento uno sube y el otro baja, a raíz de los desarrollos del escándalo del Banco Master, pero después de eso, tercero, cuarto, quinto, hay cierta estagnación entre los candidatos.",2754.56,2774.36,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":174,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},489,"126391","Entonces, usted, Ronaldo Caiado y Renan Santos.",2774.92,2779.14,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":174,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},490,"126392","¿Cómo pretende usted revertir esa situación en las encuestas, considerando un ambiente tan polarizado como el que tenemos?",2780.86,2790.54,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},491,"126393","Samir, en mi elección de 2018, observé y conviví con una situación exactamente semejante a esta.",2793.12,2803.72,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},492,"126394","Durante todo ese tiempo, cualquiera puede revisar 2018, verá a Anastasia al frente.",2804.5,2811.2,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},493,"126395","después Pimentel y luego en tercer o incluso cuarto lugar mi nombre.",2812.08,2817.36,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},494,"126396","Eso prevaleció el 99% de la campaña.",2818.14,2822.86,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},495,"126397","Solo en la última semana, cuando participé en los debates, cuando el electorado mineiro fue a evaluar quiénes eran los candidatos, fue que mi nombre creció de manera bastante acentuada.",2823.8,2838.74,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},496,"126398","Y fui al segundo turno, no solo en segundo lugar, sino en primero.",2839.38,2843.7,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},497,"126399","Y ya con una diferencia muy grande.",2844.2,2846.02,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},498,"126400","Entonces, la elección es como si fuera un gran premio de Fórmula 1 que dice lo siguiente, solo se puede adelantar en la última vuelta.",2847.16,2856,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},499,"126401","En las demás, no se puede.",2857.18,2858.38,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},500,"126402","Es según la salida.",2858.82,2860.42,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},501,"126403","Todo cambia en la víspera de la elección, que es cuando el brasileño, que está muy preocupado por la deuda, por su casa, por el hijo, por el auto, se pone atento y evalúa.",2861.18,2873.54,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},502,"126404","Digo que hay una clase privilegiada que está siguiendo la elección, que está discutiendo, es aquella que tiene, primero, la condición de tener tiempo, condición financiera, de estar mirando al futuro.",2874.44,2887.74,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},503,"126405","Pero el 90% de los brasileños están preocupados por pagar la cuenta a fin de mes, porque no logran cerrar el presupuesto doméstico.",2888.32,2897.5,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},504,"126406","Es la madre preocupada por el hijo, que a veces se involucra con malas compañías, etc.",2897.98,2902.72,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},505,"126407","Entonces, el brasileño, aun más con una Copa ahora, no le importa en absoluto.",2903.66,2911.1,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},506,"126408","La elección, suelo decir, es como el menú de un restaurante.",2911.6,2914.88,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},507,"126409","Abrimos y vemos las opciones en el momento en que llegamos y vamos a comer.",2914.96,2920.12,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},508,"126410","Nadie recibe el menú un mes antes para poder evaluarlo.",2921.34,2926.78,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},509,"126411","Un brasileño más ilustrado, que es una minoría, evalúa propuestas, etc.",2927.54,2932.04,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},510,"126412","El voto más común en las elecciones de 22 en Minas Gerais fue el voto Lula-Zema, para que vea.",2933.1,2941.98,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},511,"126413","No me considero en lo más mínimo alineado con el presidente, pero la cabeza del elector no es una cabeza cartesiana.",2943.44,2952.82,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},512,"126414","El elector actúa mucho así: ah, me pareció simpático Samer, es guapo, dice esto, dice aquello; voy a votarlo.",2953.4,2960.7,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1024,"start_s":3473,"end_s":3474,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},513,"126415",2961.36,2961.82,{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},514,"126416","El elector se guía mucho por eso.",2961.96,2963.52,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},515,"126417","Y va a conocer a esos candidatos sólo al final.",2964.08,2967.4,{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},516,"126418","Hoy, quien responde a las encuestas tiende mucho a seguir la corriente.",2967.56,2970.94,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},517,"126419","¿Quién es el presidente?",2971.54,2972.58,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},518,"126420","¿Quién fue el presidente?",2972.66,2973.7,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},519,"126421","Es Lula, Bolsonaro, ah, es este.",2973.8,2975.54,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1024,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},520,"126422",2976.14,2976.6,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},521,"126423","Pero las propuestas realmente, los candidatos serán evaluados más en la víspera.",2977,2983.14,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},522,"126424","Pero sé que todavía existe, de cierta manera, esos dos polos.",2983.56,2988.96,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":3529,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3530,"start_s":3531,"end_s":3532,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},"126425","Ahora un hecho muy interesante: en Minas eso se acabó.",2989.28,2992.6,{"idx":3534,"utterance_id":3535,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3536,"start_s":3537,"end_s":3538,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},524,"126426","Quien sigue la política de Minas sabe que allí ya no hay más PT y anti-PT.",2993.8,2998.66,{"idx":3540,"utterance_id":3541,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3542,"start_s":3543,"end_s":3544,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},525,"126427","Lo que hay hoy allí es un grupo que yo apoyo, Novo PSD.",2999.78,3003.88,{"idx":3546,"utterance_id":3547,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3548,"start_s":3549,"end_s":3550,"word_count":368,"indexable":179},526,"126428","que apoya a Matheus Simões, que fue mi vicegobernador y es el actual gobernador, que es una persona brillante, y hay otro grupo allí articulándose, tal vez PL, Republicanos,",3004.64,3017.74,{"idx":3552,"utterance_id":3553,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3554,"start_s":3555,"end_s":3556,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},527,"126429","etc.,",3017.86,3018.04,{"idx":3558,"utterance_id":3559,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3560,"start_s":3561,"end_s":3562,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},528,"126430","que debe designar un nombre que no tiene nada de izquierda.",3018.42,3021.92,{"idx":3564,"utterance_id":3565,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3566,"start_s":3567,"end_s":3568,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},529,"126431","Allá en Minas, la polarización se acabó.",3022.8,3025.64,{"idx":3570,"utterance_id":3571,"speaker_name":174,"text":3572,"start_s":3573,"end_s":3574,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},530,"126432","Pero eso no se refleja en el voto mineiro a nivel nacional, en la presidencia.",3025.94,3029.98,{"idx":3576,"utterance_id":3577,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3578,"start_s":3579,"end_s":3580,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},531,"126433","Aún no, porque el mineiro también está en esa misma situación.",3031.48,3034.46,{"idx":3582,"utterance_id":3583,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3584,"start_s":3585,"end_s":3586,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},532,"126434","El mineiro ni siquiera sabe que soy candidato a la presidencia.",3034.52,3037.02,{"idx":3588,"utterance_id":3589,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3590,"start_s":3591,"end_s":3592,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},533,"126435","Yo camino por las calles allí, cuando digo, 'qué bueno que vas a ser', ni lo saben.",3037.26,3042.34,{"idx":3594,"utterance_id":3595,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3596,"start_s":3597,"end_s":3598,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},534,"126436","No están enterados.",3042.78,3044.14,{"idx":3600,"utterance_id":3601,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3602,"start_s":3603,"end_s":3604,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},535,"126437","Y cuando se le pregunta a quién va a votar, sólo piensa en quién es, en quién conoce.",3044.62,3050.54,{"idx":3606,"utterance_id":3607,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3608,"start_s":3609,"end_s":3610,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},536,"126438","Entonces, en el momento adecuado de sintonía, eso debe ocurrir.",3051.14,3054.94,{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},537,"126439","No hay nada más incierto.",3055.64,3058.16,{"idx":770,"utterance_id":3618,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3619,"start_s":3620,"end_s":3621,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},"126440","que una elección, no sólo en Brasil sino en el mundo.",3058.64,3061.92,{"idx":3623,"utterance_id":3624,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3625,"start_s":3626,"end_s":3627,"word_count":358,"indexable":179},539,"126441","Allá en la década de los 40, hay una foto muy importante en la historia, que es Truman con la portada de un periódico mostrando que su rival había ganado la elección.",3062.66,3075.28,{"idx":3629,"utterance_id":3630,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3631,"start_s":3632,"end_s":3633,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},540,"126442","Los periódicos ya habían impreso una edición allá en la década de los 40 y él fue quien ganó la elección.",3076.48,3082.36,{"idx":3635,"utterance_id":3636,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3637,"start_s":3638,"end_s":3639,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},541,"126443","Entonces hay muchas cosas por suceder y este año tiene una semejanza con el 18.",3082.72,3089.46,{"idx":3641,"utterance_id":3642,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3643,"start_s":3639,"end_s":3644,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},542,"126444","El 18 fue la elección del antipolítico.",3093.26,{"idx":3646,"utterance_id":3647,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3648,"start_s":3649,"end_s":3650,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},543,"126445","Yo y varios otros outsiders fuimos elegidos.",3093.86,3097.88,{"idx":3652,"utterance_id":3653,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3654,"start_s":3655,"end_s":3656,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},544,"126446","Y creo que soy uno de los poquísimos supervivientes de aquella tanda.",3098.64,3102.36,{"idx":3658,"utterance_id":3659,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3660,"start_s":3661,"end_s":3662,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},545,"126447","La mayoría ya no está.",3102.88,3104.66,{"idx":3664,"utterance_id":3665,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3666,"start_s":3667,"end_s":3668,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},546,"126448","Y este año digo que es la elección de la indignación.",3105.4,3108.48,{"idx":3670,"utterance_id":3671,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3672,"start_s":3673,"end_s":3674,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},547,"126449","Esa cuestión del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) es una piedra en el zapato de cada brasileño.",3109.68,3115.26,{"idx":3676,"utterance_id":3677,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3678,"start_s":3679,"end_s":3680,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},548,"126450","Cada vez que aparecen esos ministros que siguen en sus cargos y que se están utilizando de los mismos para enriquecerse...",3115.44,3124.2,{"idx":3682,"utterance_id":3683,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3684,"start_s":3685,"end_s":3686,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},549,"126451","nos están dando una bofetada en la cara.",3124.62,3126.18,{"idx":3688,"utterance_id":3689,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3690,"start_s":3691,"end_s":3692,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},550,"126452","Entonces, veremos cambios más adelante.",3126.72,3130.12,{"idx":3694,"utterance_id":3695,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3696,"start_s":3697,"end_s":3698,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},551,"126453","Y además tenemos la investigación, las delaciones en curso.",3130.22,3134.58,{"idx":3700,"utterance_id":3701,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3702,"start_s":3703,"end_s":3704,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},552,"126454","Así que todo está sujeto a muchos cambios.",3134.62,3137.04,{"idx":3706,"utterance_id":3707,"speaker_name":174,"text":3708,"start_s":3709,"end_s":3710,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},553,"126455","En aquella elección de 2018 en la que usted fue elegido, fue elegido Bolsonaro.",3138.06,3142.82,{"idx":3712,"utterance_id":3713,"speaker_name":174,"text":3714,"start_s":3715,"end_s":3716,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},554,"126456","Usted fue reelecto y Bolsonaro no.",3143.58,3145.66,{"idx":3718,"utterance_id":3719,"speaker_name":174,"text":3720,"start_s":3721,"end_s":3722,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},555,"126457","¿Dónde considera usted que Bolsonaro... perdió la elección de 2022?",3147.68,3151.28,{"idx":3724,"utterance_id":3725,"speaker_name":174,"text":3726,"start_s":3727,"end_s":3728,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},556,"126458","¿Fue por sus propios errores?",3152.32,3153.86,{"idx":3730,"utterance_id":3731,"speaker_name":174,"text":3732,"start_s":3733,"end_s":3734,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},557,"126459","Y si es así, ¿cuáles fueron esos errores?",3153.92,3156,{"idx":3736,"utterance_id":3737,"speaker_name":174,"text":3738,"start_s":3739,"end_s":3740,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},558,"126460","¿O fue por una circunstancia diferente?",3157.76,3159.74,{"idx":3742,"utterance_id":3743,"speaker_name":174,"text":3744,"start_s":3745,"end_s":3746,"word_count":393,"indexable":179},559,"126461","¿Por qué cree usted que Bolsonaro no consiguió la reelección, devolviendo la presidencia de la República a la izquierda, recordando que ya son cinco de los últimos seis mandatos en los que el PT gana la elección?",3160.84,3174.14,{"idx":3748,"utterance_id":3749,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3750,"start_s":3751,"end_s":3752,"word_count":510,"topic_slug":3753,"topic_label":3754,"target_id":3755,"target_proposition":3756,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":3757,"indexable":323},560,"126462","Ricardo, me llevé muy bien con el presidente Bolsonaro, conviví con él cuatro años, yo gobernador, él presidente; con sus ministros, lo mismo, especialmente con Tarcísio, que fue uno de los con los que tuve más contacto, debido a cuestiones de infraestructura que involucraban a Minas Gerais y al gobierno federal.",3176.08,3199.26,"politicas-de-saude-reprodutiva","Políticas de Salud Reproductiva","a6a2c60c-ea84-40e5-93f9-51e2dd3b222a","seguir la orientación técnica de salud pública y delegar decisiones a profesionales","critica la postura presidencial durante la pandemia y defiende el papel de los médicos.",{"idx":3759,"utterance_id":3760,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3761,"start_s":3762,"end_s":3763,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},561,"126463","Le di todo el apoyo a su reelección en 2022; tanto es así que logré aumentarle 600.000 votos.",3201.26,3208.4,{"idx":3765,"utterance_id":3766,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3767,"start_s":3768,"end_s":3769,"word_count":426,"indexable":179},562,"126464","Entre la primera y la segunda vuelta, trabajé tres semanas para él; fui a diversas ciudades de Minas, tanto con él como con los otros candidatos que le apoyaban, e hicimos ese trabajo.",3209.22,3225.64,{"idx":3771,"utterance_id":3772,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3773,"start_s":3774,"end_s":3775,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":3753,"topic_label":3754,"target_id":3755,"target_proposition":3756,"stance":320,"stance_confidence":1709,"rationale":3776,"indexable":179},563,"126465","Atribuyo, a pesar de que su gobierno presentó buenos números, recordando que fue un presidente en una condición muy específica debido a que se enfrentó a una pandemia.",3226.46,3238.28,"reconoce avances del gobierno en la pandemia pero describe un contexto difícil.",{"idx":3778,"utterance_id":3779,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3780,"start_s":3781,"end_s":3782,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},564,"126466","Entonces es difícil, en una época de pandemia, evaluar ciertos datos económicos.",3238.8,3243.94,{"idx":3784,"utterance_id":3785,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3786,"start_s":3787,"end_s":3788,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},565,"126467","La economía de todo el mundo dejó de crecer, los déficits de todos los países aumentaron, pero él hizo avances que deben ser reconocidos.",3244.1,3255.3,{"idx":3790,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},566,"126468","Y creo que, en mi opinión, el mayor tropiezo suyo, donde tal vez no se expresó de forma muy adecuada, fue su postura frente a la pandemia.",3256.02,3269.36,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1024,"start_s":3798,"end_s":3799,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},567,"126469",3269.88,3270.26,{"idx":3801,"utterance_id":3802,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3803,"start_s":3804,"end_s":3805,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},568,"126470","Ahí es donde creo que no fue afortunado al expresarse.",3270.34,3274.78,{"idx":3807,"utterance_id":3808,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3809,"start_s":3810,"end_s":3811,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":3753,"topic_label":3754,"target_id":3755,"target_proposition":3756,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":3812,"indexable":323},569,"126471","Recordando que él compró la vacuna, los brasileños se vacunaron.",3277.48,3280.64,"reconoce la compra de vacunas y critica la politización del tema.",{"idx":3814,"utterance_id":3815,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3816,"start_s":3817,"end_s":3818,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},570,"126472","Pero me parece que politizó en exceso un tema que debería haber quedado en manos de los médicos.",3281.32,3287.66,{"idx":3820,"utterance_id":3821,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3822,"start_s":3823,"end_s":3824,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":3753,"topic_label":3754,"target_id":3825,"target_proposition":3826,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3827,"indexable":323},571,"126473","Allá en Minas Gerais lo dejé en manos de mi secretario de Salud.",3288.16,3292.72,"fdfdcf15-2661-4494-97e3-6084d5e76233","delegar decisiones y gestión de salud pública a profesionales especializados","dice que dejó la gestión pandémica a su secretario médico.",{"idx":3829,"utterance_id":3830,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3831,"start_s":3832,"end_s":3833,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},572,"126474","No soy profesional de la salud, no me siento cómodo recomendando medicamentos a nadie, ¿entiende?",3293.24,3300.88,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},573,"126475","Ahora bien, mi secretario de Salud, que es médico, sí.",3301.2,3303.7,{"idx":3841,"utterance_id":3842,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3843,"start_s":3844,"end_s":3845,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},574,"126476","Entonces, si él hubiera hecho eso, quizá sería nuestro presidente hoy.",3304.2,3309.08,{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":174,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":438,"topic_slug":3753,"topic_label":3754,"target_id":3755,"target_proposition":3756,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":3852,"indexable":323},575,"126477","Gobernador, usted ya dijo que la elección sólo se define en la víspera, cuando la gente va a evaluar, pero el escenario actual, el más probable que suceda, al menos por ahora, es una segunda vuelta entre Lula y Flávio Bolsonaro.",3309.86,3324.72,"afirma que, si Bolsonaro hubiera delegado, habría obtenido mejor resultado.",{"idx":3854,"utterance_id":3855,"speaker_name":174,"text":3856,"start_s":3857,"end_s":3858,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},576,"126478","Usted también hizo aquí declaraciones contundentes, tanto cuando salió aquel escándalo del Master, como también sigue diciendo que considera muy grave lo ocurrido.",3325.5,3334.42,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":174,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},577,"126479","Sabemos que Minas... es como un mini Brasil, nuestro swing state.",3335.06,3339.98,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":174,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},578,"126480","Quien gana en Minas gana la elección presidencial.",3340.54,3343.3,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":174,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},579,"126481","Con ese malestar que usted ya ha expresado sobre la relación de Flávio con ese escándalo, ¿no se vuelve un poco complicado, en la segunda vuelta, su apoyo a Flávio allí en Minas?",3344.18,3353.96,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":174,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},580,"126482","Usted también dijo que estará junto con el adversario del PT, sea quien sea, ya sea usted u otro candidato.",3354.34,3360.52,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":174,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},581,"126483","¿Cómo quedaría eso en un escenario hipotético de segunda vuelta entre Flávio y Lula?",3360.88,3364.84,{"idx":3890,"utterance_id":3891,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3892,"start_s":3893,"end_s":3894,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":3895,"target_proposition":3896,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":3897,"indexable":323},582,"126484","Renato, aquí en Brasil será una situación similar a la elección de Chile, que tuvo lugar hace algunos meses.",3366.36,3373.28,"814cbbdf-1c97-4395-b6ac-0de6f5f41c60","unir a candidatos de derecha en la segunda vuelta contra la izquierda","declara que en la segunda vuelta 'estaremos todos juntos contra o PT'.",{"idx":3899,"utterance_id":3900,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3901,"start_s":3902,"end_s":3903,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":3895,"target_proposition":3896,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3904,"indexable":323},583,"126485","Algunos candidatos de la derecha y en la segunda vuelta estaremos todos juntos contra el PT.",3373.92,3381.16,"ratifica la intención de unión de la derecha en la segunda vuelta.",{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},584,"126486","Puedo tener algo en lo que no esté de acuerdo con Flávio, pero estoy totalmente en desacuerdo con el PT.",3382.48,3387.38,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1024,"start_s":3914,"end_s":3915,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},585,"126487",3387.92,3388.42,{"idx":3917,"utterance_id":3918,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3919,"start_s":3920,"end_s":3921,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":3895,"target_proposition":3896,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":3922,"indexable":323},586,"126488","Entonces, estaremos juntos en la segunda vuelta con toda seguridad y yo estoy trabajando para llegar a la segunda vuelta.",3388.52,3397.26,"asegura 'com toda certeza' apoyo en la segunda vuelta contra el PT.",{"idx":3924,"utterance_id":3925,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3926,"start_s":3927,"end_s":3928,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},587,"126489","En Minas Gerais ya demostré que el giro es posible y ocurre en la víspera; no suele ocurrir mucho antes.",3398.04,3405.74,{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},588,"126490","En el momento en que el brasileño ve que existe un candidato diferente, que vengo del sector privado, siempre he sido pagador de impuestos y no receptor de impuestos.",3406.38,3417.18,{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},589,"126491","No tengo apellido político, tengo currículum.",3417.72,3420.62,{"idx":3942,"utterance_id":3943,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3944,"start_s":3945,"end_s":3946,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3947,"target_proposition":3948,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1701,"rationale":3949,"indexable":323},590,"126492","Creé 5.000 empleos en el sector privado, que fue mi primera misión en la vida, y creé 1.030.000 empleos durante mi gestión como gobernador de Minas.",3420.66,3434.2,"a92bdab2-6f3b-44cd-8ce9-cea9610d0c64","reducir el desempleo","Reclama la creación de plazas como acción concreta de su gestión.",{"idx":3951,"utterance_id":3952,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3953,"start_s":3954,"end_s":3955,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":3956,"target_proposition":3957,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":3958,"indexable":323},591,"126493","Minas, que era un estado quebrado, está ordenado y con las cuentas al día.",3435.02,3438.76,"401e58a5-34b4-41bc-ad18-0a9dc5ad9cd1","recuperar los servicios públicos y las finanzas estatales","Presenta como logro 'estado arrumado com as contas em dias'.",{"idx":3960,"utterance_id":3961,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3962,"start_s":3963,"end_s":3964,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},592,"126494","No es millonario, no, pero es un estado que está bien organizado y haciendo inversiones.",3438.82,3444.92,{"idx":3966,"utterance_id":3967,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3968,"start_s":3969,"end_s":3970,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},593,"126495","Y yo digo que Brasil, Renato, necesita un sacudón.",3445.52,3448.3,{"idx":3972,"utterance_id":3973,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3974,"start_s":3975,"end_s":3976,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},594,"126496","En el sector privado se usa mucho ese término turnaround.",3448.88,3452.58,{"idx":3978,"utterance_id":3979,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3980,"start_s":3981,"end_s":3982,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},595,"126497","Una empresa que está en dificultades, está quebrando,",3453.72,3456.42,{"idx":3984,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3554,"start_s":3986,"end_s":3987,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},596,"126498",3456.5,3456.7,{"idx":3989,"utterance_id":3990,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3991,"start_s":3992,"end_s":3993,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},597,"126499","no es alguien de dentro quien se hace cargo, es alguien de fuera.",3457.68,3462.34,{"idx":3995,"utterance_id":3996,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3997,"start_s":3998,"end_s":3999,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},598,"126500","Porque quien está dentro, las ideas son semejantes.",3462.9,3467.62,{"idx":4001,"utterance_id":4002,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4003,"start_s":4004,"end_s":4005,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},599,"126501","Y ya sabemos que los políticos en Brasil consideran normal dar empleo a un hijo, a un sobrino, a un tío, no sé qué más.",3467.8,3476.42,{"idx":4007,"utterance_id":4008,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4009,"start_s":4010,"end_s":4011,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},600,"126502","En Minas, a pesar de que el Estado tiene 300.000 empleados, no llevé a ningún pariente.",3477.16,3482.52,{"idx":4013,"utterance_id":4014,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4015,"start_s":4016,"end_s":4017,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},601,"126503","No hay un pariente mío que se haya beneficiado de mi cargo.",3483.04,3486.56,{"idx":4019,"utterance_id":4020,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4021,"start_s":4022,"end_s":4023,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4024,"target_proposition":4025,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":4026,"indexable":323},602,"126504","Tuve cero corrupción, cero escándalos durante mi gestión.",3487.9,3492.26,"e564cc95-4758-47fa-8b15-dcedad48384e","combatir la corrupción y la mala gestión en la administración pública","Afirma haber tenido 'zero corrupção' durante su gestión.",{"idx":4028,"utterance_id":4029,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4030,"start_s":4031,"end_s":4032,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},603,"126505","Llevé sólo gente competente, que fue elegida por consultoras de recursos humanos, todos con metas que cumplir.",3492.5,3500.7,{"idx":4034,"utterance_id":4035,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4036,"start_s":4037,"end_s":4038,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},604,"126506","Entonces veo que Brasil necesita un sacudón.",3501.38,3504.02,{"idx":4040,"utterance_id":4041,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4042,"start_s":4043,"end_s":4044,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},605,"126507","Y generalmente quien se ha criado dentro de ese ambiente político que existe en Brasil considera muchas prácticas...",3504.48,3512.62,{"idx":4046,"utterance_id":4047,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4048,"start_s":4049,"end_s":4050,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":4051,"topic_label":4052,"target_id":4053,"target_proposition":4054,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1650,"rationale":4055,"indexable":179},606,"126508","que yo considero totalmente cuestionables, comunes, como llevar parientes, repartir favores, ese fondo electoral partidario, que es importante, pero no debería ser de ese monto.",3513.36,3525.38,"financiamento-de-campanha","Financiamiento de campaña","c9cd0ae3-30f3-451c-bb91-a1e23449f41a","reducir el fondo partidario y la financiación pública de campañas","Critica el tamaño del fondo partidario y sugiere que no debería ser ese monto.",{"idx":4057,"utterance_id":4058,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4059,"start_s":4060,"end_s":4061,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},607,"126509","Entonces, estaré recorriendo Brasil, mostrando mis propuestas y hay muchas cosas por suceder hasta octubre.",3525.98,3533.86,{"idx":4063,"utterance_id":4064,"speaker_name":174,"text":4065,"start_s":4066,"end_s":4067,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},608,"126510","Gobernador, mirando su trayectoria, son ocho años como político.",3534.86,3539.28,{"idx":845,"utterance_id":4069,"speaker_name":174,"text":4070,"start_s":4071,"end_s":4072,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},"126511","En esos ocho años... ¿Cuál fue su mayor error?",3540.9,3543.92,{"idx":4074,"utterance_id":4075,"speaker_name":174,"text":4076,"start_s":4077,"end_s":4078,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},610,"126512","¿Mi mayor error?",3546.2,3547.46,{"idx":4080,"utterance_id":4081,"speaker_name":174,"text":4082,"start_s":4083,"end_s":4084,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},611,"126513","Político.",3547.96,3548.54,{"idx":4086,"utterance_id":4087,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4082,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},612,"126514",3548.78,3549.46,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},613,"126515","Oh Samir, creo que fueron muchos, ¿eh?",3552.18,3554.88,{"idx":4097,"utterance_id":4098,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4099,"start_s":4100,"end_s":4101,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},614,"126516","No fue solo uno.",3555.18,3556.38,{"idx":4103,"utterance_id":4104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4105,"start_s":4106,"end_s":4107,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},615,"126517","Creo que siempre estamos equivocándonos.",3557.22,3561.82,{"idx":4109,"utterance_id":4110,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4111,"start_s":4112,"end_s":4113,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4114,"target_proposition":4115,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":443,"rationale":4116,"indexable":323},616,"126518","Primero, te puedo decir que formé un equipo excesivamente técnico.",3562.86,3568.98,"24b16c76-934b-495b-9324-7d0e90836833","balancear criterios técnicos y políticos en el nombramiento de cargos públicos","Reconoce error por un equipo excesivamente técnico y defiende incluir lo político.",{"idx":4118,"utterance_id":4119,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4120,"start_s":4121,"end_s":4122,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},617,"126519","Luego vi que necesitaba haber un poco de política en medio, ¿sabes?",3569.06,3573.1,{"idx":4124,"utterance_id":4125,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4126,"start_s":4127,"end_s":4128,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},618,"126520","Entonces, si estás en la política, tienes que tener gente política.",3573.84,3577.68,{"idx":4130,"utterance_id":4131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4132,"start_s":4133,"end_s":4134,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},619,"126521","Te voy a dar ejemplos aquí.",3578.68,3579.94,{"idx":4136,"utterance_id":4137,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4138,"start_s":4139,"end_s":4140,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4114,"target_proposition":4115,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":4141,"indexable":323},620,"126522","Al principio, para las superintendencias regionales de educación en Minas Gerais, superintendencias regionales de salud, hicimos solo un proceso selectivo.",3580.1,3590.88,"Explica que un proceso selectivo técnico no siempre genera mejores relaciones políticas.",{"idx":4143,"utterance_id":4144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4145,"start_s":4146,"end_s":4147,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},621,"126523","Y a veces quien pasa en el proceso selectivo no es el mejor.",3591.9,3596.18,{"idx":4149,"utterance_id":4150,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4151,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4153,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},622,"126524","Puede ser el mejor técnicamente, pero no consigue relacionarse bien con los alcaldes.",3596.8,3603.02,{"idx":4155,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},623,"126525","con los diputados de la región.",3603.74,3605.8,{"idx":4161,"utterance_id":4162,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4163,"start_s":4164,"end_s":4165,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4114,"target_proposition":4115,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1701,"rationale":4166,"indexable":323},624,"126526","Entonces, a veces, la indicación de un diputado estatal o federal puede ayudar mucho.",3606.42,3613.4,"Defiende mezclar designaciones políticas con selección técnica, con metas.",{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},625,"126527","Y fuimos mezclando; luego decíamos: diputado, ¿tienes a este sujeto que dices que es muy bueno? Pasará por el proceso selectivo aquí.",3613.96,3622.46,{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},626,"126528","Veíamos que era una persona capacitada y dejábamos claro al diputado: mira, si cumple las metas, continúa.",3622.54,3630.16,{"idx":4180,"utterance_id":4181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4182,"start_s":4183,"end_s":4184,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},627,"126529","Ahora, si hace algo mal... no continuará con nosotros.",3630.42,3634.74,{"idx":4186,"utterance_id":4187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4188,"start_s":4189,"end_s":4190,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},628,"126530","Y funcionó mejor que considerar solo el aspecto técnico.",3635.24,3640.18,{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":405,"indexable":179},629,"126531","Entonces hay un aspecto adicional que podríamos llamar humano —yo viví eso en la empresa— pero que en el sector público quizá se llame político, que debe ponerse en la balanza, ¿entiendes?",3640.56,3653.74,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":399,"indexable":179},630,"126532","Y allí en Minas también digo que quizás otorgué... excesiva atención a cuestiones más técnicas y menos políticas, incluso por mi perfil de gestor privado, pero fui aprendiendo.",3654.64,3673.22,{"idx":4204,"utterance_id":4205,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4206,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},631,"126533","Con el tiempo, esos errores fueron disminuyendo.",3673.68,3677.14,{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},632,"126534","Tal vez al inicio del gobierno fue donde hubo una mayor concentración.",3677.54,3681.6,{"idx":4216,"utterance_id":4217,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4218,"start_s":4219,"end_s":4220,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},633,"126535","Pero sigo equivocándome porque es equivocándose como uno aprende.",3682.18,3685.08,{"idx":4222,"utterance_id":4223,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4224,"start_s":4225,"end_s":4226,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},634,"126536","Tú lo sabes muy bien.",3685.28,3686.74,{"idx":4228,"utterance_id":4229,"speaker_name":174,"text":4230,"start_s":4231,"end_s":4232,"word_count":426,"indexable":179},635,"126537","Gobernador, o... Seleção está viendo una concentración en el campo de la izquierda en torno al nombre de Lula y una, no quiero decir pulverización, pero una pluralidad de candidaturas en el campo de la derecha con usted, Caiado, Flávio y Renan.",3686.78,3707.88,{"idx":4234,"utterance_id":4235,"speaker_name":174,"text":4236,"start_s":4237,"end_s":4238,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},636,"126538","¿Por qué la derecha brasileña no logró producir un proceso previo de unificación, de diálogo y de... y de acercamiento para hacer frente al gobierno?",3710.92,3726.36,{"idx":4240,"utterance_id":4241,"speaker_name":174,"text":4242,"start_s":4243,"end_s":4244,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},637,"126539","Lula tuvo cuatro años para eso.",3727.16,3730.12,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4246,"speaker_name":174,"text":4247,"start_s":4248,"end_s":4249,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},"126540","En otras palabras, ¿por qué hay todavía tanta división en la derecha y no se ha conseguido producir un gran partido de base, un proceso político unificador?",3731.22,3743.2,{"idx":4251,"utterance_id":4252,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4253,"start_s":4254,"end_s":4255,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},639,"126541","Ricardo, cuando yo... decidí, con el Partido Novo, lanzar mi precandidatura.",3745.1,3752.96,{"idx":4257,"utterance_id":4258,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4259,"start_s":4260,"end_s":4261,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},640,"126542","Estuve con Bolsonaro allí en Brasilia.",3753.92,3756.44,{"idx":4263,"utterance_id":4264,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4265,"start_s":4266,"end_s":4267,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},641,"126543","Él todavía ni siquiera se había puesto la tobillera electrónica.",3757.54,3762.18,{"idx":875,"utterance_id":4269,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4270,"start_s":4271,"end_s":4272,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},"126544","Y para comunicarle el lanzamiento, que yo sería precandidato, dijo: 'Zema, ve adelante'.",3763.42,3770,{"idx":4274,"utterance_id":4275,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4276,"start_s":4277,"end_s":4278,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":4279,"topic_label":4280,"target_id":4281,"target_proposition":4282,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":339,"rationale":4283,"indexable":179},643,"126545","Cuantos más candidatos haya en la derecha, mejor.",3770.74,3774.64,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Elecciones presidenciales","345a2085-ff54-4c84-8b38-88ec1659f598","consolidar alianza entre candidatos de derecha","Afirma que 'quantos mais candidatos à direita tiver, melhor' y que habrá unión posterior.",{"idx":4285,"utterance_id":4286,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4287,"start_s":4288,"end_s":4289,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},644,"126546","Digamos... que hoy tuviéramos solo un candidato.",3776.24,3780.48,{"idx":4291,"utterance_id":4292,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4293,"start_s":4294,"end_s":4295,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},645,"126547","Pienso que el porcentaje de votos de ese candidato único de la derecha sería menor que el de los nuestros sumados.",3780.98,3790.66,{"idx":4297,"utterance_id":4298,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4299,"start_s":4300,"end_s":4301,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":4279,"topic_label":4280,"target_id":4281,"target_proposition":4282,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":4302,"indexable":323},646,"126548","Entonces, eso no resolvería la cuestión del votaje.",3791.72,3796.76,"Argumenta que un candidato único obtendría menos votos que la suma de varios.",{"idx":4304,"utterance_id":4305,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4306,"start_s":4307,"end_s":4308,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},647,"126549","Más candidatos siempre significa más votos.",3798.52,3800.98,{"idx":4310,"utterance_id":4311,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4312,"start_s":4313,"end_s":4314,"word_count":452,"indexable":179},648,"126550","Alguien que lanza un candidato más a diputado federal o estatal traerá como mínimo media docena de votos, una docena de votos, porque aunque sea su familia aún votará por él y no estaría votando dentro de ese otro partido.",3801.06,3815.94,{"idx":4316,"utterance_id":4317,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4318,"start_s":4319,"end_s":4320,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},649,"126551","Así que eso, diría, no estorba a la derecha.",3816.74,3821.02,{"idx":4322,"utterance_id":4323,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4324,"start_s":4325,"end_s":4326,"word_count":193,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":3895,"target_proposition":3896,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":4327,"indexable":323},650,"126552","Puede significar una fragmentación, una división, pero como dije, en la segunda vuelta estaremos todos juntos.",3821.16,3829.3,"Afirma que, a pesar de la fragmentación, 'no segundo turno nós vamos estar todos juntos'.",{"idx":4329,"utterance_id":4330,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4331,"start_s":4332,"end_s":4333,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},651,"126553","Y eso prueba, Ricardo, incluso que la derecha ha sido más competente en formar talentos también.",3829.96,3835.9,{"idx":4335,"utterance_id":4336,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4337,"start_s":4338,"end_s":4339,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},652,"126554","Porque ¿qué otro nombre tendría la izquierda para lanzar como candidato a presidente, si no el del actual?",3837.1,3846.42,{"idx":4341,"utterance_id":4342,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4343,"start_s":4344,"end_s":4345,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},653,"126555","Creo que no tendría.",3847.24,3848.24,{"idx":4347,"utterance_id":4348,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4349,"start_s":4350,"end_s":4351,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},654,"126556","Y probablemente será la última vez que él participará en una elección.",3848.86,3852.96,{"idx":4353,"utterance_id":4354,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4355,"start_s":4356,"end_s":4357,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},655,"126557","Además, no puede ser reelecto y por su propia edad también, que en una posible reelección más adelante ya estará rondando los 90 años de edad o por ahí.",3853.42,3865.08,{"idx":4359,"utterance_id":4360,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4361,"start_s":4362,"end_s":4363,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},656,"126558","Entonces, no veo eso como una debilidad de la derecha.",3865.9,3870.28,{"idx":4365,"utterance_id":4366,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4367,"start_s":4368,"end_s":4369,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},657,"126559","Veo incluso un contexto diferente.",3870.9,3874.74,{"idx":4371,"utterance_id":4372,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4373,"start_s":4374,"end_s":4375,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},658,"126560","La derecha aún no ha encontrado quizá un camino, pero eso es lo que voy a mostrar al brasileño.",3875.24,3881.36,{"idx":4377,"utterance_id":4378,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4379,"start_s":4380,"end_s":4381,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},659,"126561","Veo que por mi trayectoria soy en cierto modo lo que muchos brasileños aspiran en la vida: emprender, tener una situación mejor sin depender del gobierno.",3883.16,3900.1,{"idx":4383,"utterance_id":4384,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4385,"start_s":4386,"end_s":4387,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},660,"126562","Entré en la política, no sé si lo sabes, por indignación, debido a la recesión de 2015-16.",3900.92,3908.36,{"idx":4389,"utterance_id":4390,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4391,"start_s":4392,"end_s":4393,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},661,"126563","En aquella recesión yo era el presidente de la empresa. Fueron los dos peores años de mi vida.",3908.9,3915.48,{"idx":4395,"utterance_id":4396,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4397,"start_s":4398,"end_s":4399,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},662,"126564","Tuve que reducir la plantilla de la empresa en más de 2.500 empleados.",3916.04,3921.24,{"idx":4401,"utterance_id":4402,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4403,"start_s":4404,"end_s":4405,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},663,"126565","Eso me causó un daño emocional gigantesco.",3922.58,3926.2,{"idx":4407,"utterance_id":4408,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4409,"start_s":4410,"end_s":4411,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},664,"126566","Tuve que ir al psiquiatra, porque no sentía el gusto por la comida, no conseguía dormir, etc.",3926.96,3932.1,{"idx":4413,"utterance_id":4414,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4415,"start_s":4416,"end_s":4417,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},665,"126567","Y allí fue lo que empecé a ver.",3932.84,3934.3,{"idx":4419,"utterance_id":4420,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4421,"start_s":4422,"end_s":4423,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},666,"126568","¿De qué sirve estudiar mucho?",3935.04,3937.32,{"idx":4425,"utterance_id":4426,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4427,"start_s":4428,"end_s":4429,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},667,"126569","ser un buen profesional, montar un buen negocio si estás en un país que se está hundiendo.",3938.1,3943.4,{"idx":4431,"utterance_id":4432,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4433,"start_s":4434,"end_s":4435,"word_count":293,"topic_slug":4436,"topic_label":4437,"target_id":4438,"target_proposition":4439,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":4440,"indexable":323},668,"126570","Y se estaba hundiendo por culpa del PT, por la Lava Jato, el impeachment, aquellos escándalos en serie que tuvimos en 2015, 16, 17, que fue el ápice allí.",3943.94,3959.36,"polarizacao-e-ideologia","Polarización e ideología","1a3c21e7-f348-4741-a694-1f6405e3769e","oponerse públicamente al PT","Atribuye la recesión al PT, justificando una oposición política explícita.",{"idx":4442,"utterance_id":4443,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4444,"start_s":4445,"end_s":4446,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},669,"126571","Eso fue lo que me llevó a la política.",3960.02,3961.74,{"idx":4448,"utterance_id":4449,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4450,"start_s":4451,"end_s":4452,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":4436,"topic_label":4437,"target_id":4438,"target_proposition":4439,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":4453,"indexable":323},670,"126572","Estoy en la política hoy por culpa del PT.",3961.92,3964.66,"Declara explícitamente estar en la política por causa del PT (motivo de oposición).",{"idx":4455,"utterance_id":4456,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4457,"start_s":4458,"end_s":4459,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},671,"126573","Mostró que Brasil, en esos dos años, fue el único país del mundo que se quedó estancado.",3965.54,3973.36,{"idx":4461,"utterance_id":4462,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4463,"start_s":4464,"end_s":4465,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},672,"126574","El mundo entero creciendo.",3973.9,3975.36,{"idx":4467,"utterance_id":4468,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4469,"start_s":4470,"end_s":4471,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},673,"126575","Todos los alumnos sacando un 9.",3975.78,3977.7,{"idx":4473,"utterance_id":4474,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4475,"start_s":4476,"end_s":4477,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},674,"126576","Brasil sacó un 2.",3977.98,3979.18,{"idx":4479,"utterance_id":4480,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4481,"start_s":4482,"end_s":4483,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},675,"126577","Por culpa del PT, de Lula y de Dilma.",3980.36,3982.96,{"idx":4485,"utterance_id":4486,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4487,"start_s":4488,"end_s":4489,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},676,"126578","Eso fue lo que me hizo entrar en la política.",3983.44,3985.74,{"idx":4491,"utterance_id":4492,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4493,"start_s":4494,"end_s":4495,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},677,"126579","Dije: no sirve de nada trabajar mucho, no.",3985.78,3987.7,{"idx":4497,"utterance_id":4498,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4499,"start_s":4500,"end_s":4501,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},678,"126580","Necesitas participar también, porque si no son esas personas que están ahí, esos bandidos, los que van a estar tomando el país.",3987.74,3995.54,{"idx":4503,"utterance_id":4504,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4505,"start_s":4506,"end_s":4507,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":4436,"topic_label":4437,"target_id":4438,"target_proposition":4439,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":650,"rationale":4508,"indexable":323},679,"126581","Entonces esa es mi bandera y siempre estaré contra el PT.",3996.16,4000,"Afirma 'vou estar sempre contra o PT' - posición explícita de oposición.",{"idx":4510,"utterance_id":4511,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4512,"start_s":4513,"end_s":4514,"word_count":215,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":4515,"target_proposition":4516,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":4517,"indexable":179},680,"126582","Así que la derecha puede contar conmigo.",4000.1,4002.26,"a5382cc0-fba4-427f-abbc-23b2af97fb5a","apoyar candidaturas y fuerzas políticas de derecha","Dice que 'a direita pode contar comigo', claro apoyo electoral.",{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":174,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},681,"126583","Gobernador, mirando todavía la elección, hay consenso en que el voto de los evangélicos puede ser algo muy decisivo para este pleito.",4002.78,4012.1,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":174,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},682,"126584","¿Cuál es su relación con ese segmento?",4012.9,4014.9,{"idx":4531,"utterance_id":4532,"speaker_name":174,"text":4533,"start_s":4534,"end_s":4535,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},683,"126585","¿Cree usted que... una mezcla entre política y religión es bien aceptable, esa cuestión del Estado laico?",4016.18,4023.56,{"idx":4537,"utterance_id":4538,"speaker_name":174,"text":4539,"start_s":4540,"end_s":4541,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},684,"126586","¿Cómo evalúa además la entrada de los evangélicos en la política?",4023.62,4027.02,{"idx":4543,"utterance_id":4544,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4545,"start_s":4546,"end_s":4547,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},685,"126587","Renato, primero, vengo de una familia católica, creo en Dios, no soy ese católico que va regularmente a misa, pero siempre estoy orando y mucho más laborando.",4028.6,4047.06,{"idx":4549,"utterance_id":4550,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4551,"start_s":4552,"end_s":4553,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},686,"126588","Creo que Jesús dejó muy claro: ora y labora.",4047.88,4051.06,{"idx":4555,"utterance_id":4556,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4557,"start_s":4558,"end_s":4559,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},687,"126589","Y sinceramente, he laborado mucho y he laborado toda mi vida.",4051.68,4056.18,{"idx":4561,"utterance_id":4562,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4563,"start_s":4564,"end_s":4565,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},688,"126590","Tanto es así que la empresa está funcionando, generando más de 5 mil empleos.",4056.24,4060.28,{"idx":4567,"utterance_id":4568,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4569,"start_s":4570,"end_s":4571,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},689,"126591","Una empresa que era de ese tamaño pequeño y que, cuando me fui, había multiplicado cientos de veces su poste.",4060.94,4068.48,{"idx":4573,"utterance_id":4574,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4575,"start_s":4576,"end_s":4577,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},690,"126592","Pero Dios siempre me iluminó.",4069.48,4071.22,{"idx":4579,"utterance_id":4580,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4581,"start_s":4582,"end_s":4583,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},691,"126593","Tengo 61 años, no me puedo quejar de nada.",4071.94,4074.98,{"idx":4585,"utterance_id":4586,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4587,"start_s":4588,"end_s":4589,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},692,"126594","Tengo dos hijos que no dependen de mí, que son autónomos.",4075.68,4080.5,{"idx":4591,"utterance_id":4592,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4593,"start_s":4594,"end_s":4595,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},693,"126595","Mi hija vive en Londres.",4080.62,4081.92,{"idx":4597,"utterance_id":4598,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4599,"start_s":4600,"end_s":4601,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},694,"126596","Incluso mi sueño es que los brasileños que están afuera vuelvan a Brasil.",4082.02,4086.94,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4603,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4604,"start_s":4605,"end_s":4606,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},"126597","Cinco millones de brasileños viviendo fuera.",4087.52,4090.48,{"idx":4608,"utterance_id":4609,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4610,"start_s":4611,"end_s":4612,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},696,"126598","Y tenemos que arreglar este país.",4091.2,4093.92,{"idx":4614,"utterance_id":4615,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4616,"start_s":4617,"end_s":4618,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},697,"126599","En El Salvador, no lo cité, 300 mil salvadoreños que vivían en Estados Unidos ya regresaron.",4094.38,4100.98,{"idx":4620,"utterance_id":4621,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4622,"start_s":4623,"end_s":4624,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},698,"126600","¿El documental de ustedes toca ese punto?",4101.56,4103.74,{"idx":4626,"utterance_id":4627,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4628,"start_s":4629,"end_s":4630,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},699,"126601","No lo recuerdo bien.",4104.16,4105.04,{"idx":4632,"utterance_id":4633,"speaker_name":174,"text":4634,"start_s":4635,"end_s":4636,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},700,"126602","Ese número específicamente, creo que no.",4105.1,4106.58,{"idx":4638,"utterance_id":4639,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4640,"start_s":4641,"end_s":4642,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},701,"126603","El turismo se triplicó y 300 mil salvadoreños regresaron.",4107.3,4111.48,{"idx":4644,"utterance_id":4645,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4646,"start_s":4647,"end_s":4648,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},702,"126604","Entonces, veo que la religión tiene un papel extremadamente importante.",4112.4,4117.84,{"idx":4650,"utterance_id":4651,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4652,"start_s":4653,"end_s":4654,"word_count":368,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4655,"target_proposition":4656,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1701,"rationale":4657,"indexable":323},703,"126605","Durante mi gobierno en Minas Gerais, seguí muchas obras ahí en Minas Gerais, que son conducidas por las iglesias, principalmente evangélicas, y el número de matrimonios que salvan.",4118.16,4133.02,"78d864ac-0f82-4788-ad13-c2483d9db67e","reconocer asociaciones entre el Estado y iglesias para acciones sociales","Relata haber acompañado obras realizadas por iglesias como argumento a favor de la colaboración.",{"idx":4659,"utterance_id":4660,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4661,"start_s":4662,"end_s":4663,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},704,"126606","que hacen más felices, el número de personas que alejan del alcohol, de las drogas, de otros vicios, es algo que nadie puede mensurar.",4134.04,4146.28,{"idx":4665,"utterance_id":4666,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4667,"start_s":4668,"end_s":4669,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},705,"126607","Y por más que tengamos un Estado operativo, eficiente, el Estado nunca va a poder hacer ese trabajo en el terreno, como lo hacen los templos y las iglesias.",4147.42,4160.5,{"idx":4671,"utterance_id":4672,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4673,"start_s":4674,"end_s":4675,"word_count":393,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4676,"target_proposition":4677,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":4678,"indexable":323},706,"126608","Entonces es un trabajo... que, en mi opinión, necesita tener reconocimiento total y, si es posible, apoyo por parte del Estado, en el sentido de reconocer ese trabajo social y asistencial gigantesco que estas instituciones hacen hoy.",4161.08,4180.98,"afce7ccc-69f5-41c2-b8a8-c0f065d154a7","destinar recursos públicos a instituciones de asistencia social","Pide 'total reconhecimento e, se possível, apoio por parte do Estado' para las iglesias.",{"idx":4680,"utterance_id":4681,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4682,"start_s":4683,"end_s":4684,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},707,"126609","El Estado no tiene capacidad de ser, digamos, ese abrazo humano.",4182.14,4188.66,{"idx":4686,"utterance_id":4687,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4688,"start_s":4689,"end_s":4690,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},708,"126610","Pero el pastor que está ahí en el terreno está en condiciones de hacerlo mucho mejor que cualquier tecnócrata o burócrata del Estado.",4189.14,4197.94,{"idx":4692,"utterance_id":4693,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4694,"start_s":4695,"end_s":4696,"word_count":426,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4697,"target_proposition":4698,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":4699,"indexable":323},709,"126611","Así que debemos dar... ese reconocimiento y hacer todo lo posible para que esas iglesias puedan desempeñar adecuadamente ese trabajo, sin ningún tipo de carga referente a la parte tributaria, sin ningún tipo de cuestionamiento respecto a lo que hacen.",4198.46,4219.02,"39bf9815-30f2-4c01-a09f-ea4e5fbd8fee","conceder beneficios tributarios a instituciones religiosas","Defiende que las iglesias actúen 'sem nenhum tipo de ônus referente à parte tributária'.",{"idx":4701,"utterance_id":4702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4703,"start_s":4704,"end_s":4705,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},710,"126612","Entonces es algo que yo veo de esa manera y necesita reconocimiento.",4219.68,4225.3,{"idx":4707,"utterance_id":4708,"speaker_name":174,"text":4709,"start_s":4710,"end_s":4711,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},711,"126613","Gobernador... Sobre la actuación de Eduardo Bolsonaro en Estados Unidos, en algunos momentos, especialmente cuando hubo la imposición de aranceles, se observó una recuperación de la popularidad del presidente Lula debido a su actuación allí.",4226.38,4244.08,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4713,"speaker_name":174,"text":4714,"start_s":4715,"end_s":4716,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},"126614","No necesariamente por la actuación, sino por la repercusión que se produjo frente a la imposición de aranceles.",4245.18,4251.62,{"idx":4718,"utterance_id":4719,"speaker_name":174,"text":4720,"start_s":4721,"end_s":4722,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},713,"126615","¿Cómo evalúa usted esa actuación de Eduardo Bolsonaro fuera de Brasil?",4252.52,4257.5,{"idx":4724,"utterance_id":4725,"speaker_name":174,"text":4726,"start_s":4727,"end_s":4728,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},714,"126616","¿Su lectura es que fue más beneficiosa o más perjudicial para la derecha brasileña?",4258.32,4263.3,{"idx":4730,"utterance_id":4731,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4732,"start_s":4733,"end_s":4734,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":646,"topic_label":647,"target_id":4735,"target_proposition":4736,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":4737,"indexable":323},715,"126617","Samir, las relaciones internacionales de Brasil son conducidas por el Itamaraty.",4265.3,4274.02,"8f2a554c-5b28-4310-af14-ab291d1c7077","garantizar que el Itamaraty conduzca la política exterior de Brasil","Afirma que 'relações internacionais do Brasil é conduzida pelo Itamaraty'.",{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},716,"126618","Cualquiera que entre y quiera hacer otra cosa, muy probablemente está... de cierta manera, haciendo algo que puede sumar o restar.",4275.38,4295.72,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},717,"126619","En su caso en particular, diría que incluso la intención pudo haber sido buena; ahora bien, el resultado, con respecto a la tarifa, no lo estamos viendo.",4296.82,4309.76,{"idx":4751,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},718,"126620","Tuvimos un tarifazo y lo volveremos a tener, ya se está preparando, etc.",4310.32,4316.3,{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4759,"start_s":4760,"end_s":4761,"word_count":358,"topic_slug":646,"topic_label":647,"target_id":4762,"target_proposition":4763,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":4764,"indexable":323},719,"126621","Entonces veo que buena parte de toda la retaliación que Brasil está recibiendo se debe a un gobierno Lula que tiene en su ADN cuestionar a Estados Unidos.",4317.5,4332.68,"e849245a-705c-4562-832b-8d0f0a6533d1","reaproximar a Brasil de los Estados Unidos y países occidentales","Atribuye las represalias al alineamiento antiestadounidense del gobierno anterior y defiende lo contrario.",{"idx":4766,"utterance_id":4767,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4768,"start_s":4769,"end_s":4770,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},720,"126622","Y comienza por haber sido cercano a Fidel Castro, Cuba, Hugo Chávez y Nicolas Maduro, Venezuela.",4333.96,4341.48,{"idx":4772,"utterance_id":4773,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4774,"start_s":4775,"end_s":4776,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},721,"126623","Régimen autoritario de Irán y otras naciones que son claramente antiestadounidenses.",4341.92,4349.24,{"idx":4778,"utterance_id":4779,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4780,"start_s":4781,"end_s":4782,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},722,"126624","Cuando los Estados Unidos están retaliando a Brasil, veo que es en gran medida debido a esas acciones de Lula.",4349.94,4355.9,{"idx":4784,"utterance_id":4785,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4786,"start_s":4787,"end_s":4788,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},723,"126625","Él puede estar intentando contribuir allí, pero que una persona actúe aisladamente en una relación internacional en un país que tiene esas posiciones es muy difícil.",4356.6,4369.92,{"idx":4790,"utterance_id":4791,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4792,"start_s":4793,"end_s":4794,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},724,"126626","Pero respeto su trabajo, su intento; el resultado es otra cuestión.",4370.38,4375.5,{"idx":4796,"utterance_id":4797,"speaker_name":174,"text":4798,"start_s":4799,"end_s":4800,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},725,"126627","Y ya hemos hablado sobre el gobierno Trump reconociendo al PCC y al Comando Vermelho como terroristas.",4376.84,4385.24,{"idx":4802,"utterance_id":4803,"speaker_name":174,"text":4804,"start_s":4805,"end_s":4806,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},726,"126628","También como posible fruto de esa acción de Eduardo, que fue citada.",4385.3,4388.16,{"idx":4808,"utterance_id":4809,"speaker_name":174,"text":4810,"start_s":4811,"end_s":4812,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},727,"126629","También estuvo en la agenda.",4388.22,4390.82,{"idx":4814,"utterance_id":4815,"speaker_name":174,"text":4816,"start_s":4817,"end_s":4818,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},728,"126630","Pero quería preguntarle específicamente sobre el gobierno Trump.",4391.62,4395.22,{"idx":4820,"utterance_id":4821,"speaker_name":174,"text":4822,"start_s":4823,"end_s":4824,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},729,"126631","¿Cuál es su visión?",4395.42,4396.96,{"idx":4826,"utterance_id":4827,"speaker_name":174,"text":4828,"start_s":4829,"end_s":4830,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},730,"126632","del gobierno estadounidense.",4398.32,4400.12,{"idx":4832,"utterance_id":4833,"speaker_name":174,"text":4834,"start_s":4835,"end_s":4836,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},731,"126633","Por un lado, esa cuestión que puede ayudar a Brasil en seguridad pública; por otro, están las tarifas, tiene una posición bastante dura respecto a la inmigración y a la guerra en Oriente Medio.",4401,4414.64,{"idx":4838,"utterance_id":4839,"speaker_name":174,"text":4840,"start_s":4841,"end_s":4842,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},732,"126634","¿De qué manera evalúa el gobierno Trump y sus consecuencias para Brasil?",4416.66,4420.96,{"idx":4844,"utterance_id":4845,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4846,"start_s":4847,"end_s":4848,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},733,"126635","Ricardo, creo que ahí hay dos consideraciones.",4422.14,4425.16,{"idx":4850,"utterance_id":4851,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4852,"start_s":4853,"end_s":4854,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},734,"126636","Primero, Trump.",4425.6,4426.62,{"idx":4856,"utterance_id":4857,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4858,"start_s":4859,"end_s":4860,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":4861,"topic_label":4862,"target_id":4863,"target_proposition":4864,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":4865,"indexable":323},735,"126637","percibió más que otros presidentes estadounidenses el crecimiento de la influencia de China y ha intentado frenar un poco eso, lo cual es loable.",4427.94,4443.32,"politica-comercial","Política comercial","7f938620-93d3-41d8-bd70-0bc5013bff6e","resolver disputas de tarificación internacional para proteger la industria brasileña","Reconoce intento de frenar la influencia de China y propone crear mecanismos.",{"idx":4867,"utterance_id":4868,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4869,"start_s":4870,"end_s":4871,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},736,"126638","Una nación que ha venido usando muchos artificios, dumping, invadiendo otros países, como con el acero aquí en Brasil.",4444.86,4454.66,{"idx":4873,"utterance_id":4874,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4875,"start_s":4876,"end_s":4877,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},737,"126639","para poder ganar mercado a cualquier costo.",4456.38,4458.96,{"idx":4879,"utterance_id":4880,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4881,"start_s":4882,"end_s":4883,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},738,"126640","Pero veo con cierta reserva la manera en que él conduce.",4459.86,4466.22,{"idx":4885,"utterance_id":4886,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4887,"start_s":4888,"end_s":4889,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},739,"126641","Creo que con mucha pirotecnia, con mucho desgaste, va a anexar a Canadá, etc.",4467.1,4474.96,{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4893,"start_s":4894,"end_s":4895,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},740,"126642","Creo que eso no queda bien.",4476.22,4477.64,{"idx":4897,"utterance_id":4898,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4899,"start_s":4900,"end_s":4901,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},741,"126643","Soy un tipo que se inclina más por la moderación, ¿me entiende?",4478.28,4482.8,{"idx":4903,"utterance_id":4904,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4905,"start_s":4906,"end_s":4907,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},742,"126644","China nos está amenazando, está bien.",4483.4,4485.82,{"idx":4909,"utterance_id":4910,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4911,"start_s":4912,"end_s":4913,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},743,"126645","Vamos a crear aquí mecanismos, pero ahora hacer todo un teatro,",4486.44,4491.14,{"idx":4915,"utterance_id":4916,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3554,"start_s":4917,"end_s":4918,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},744,"126646",4491.22,4491.44,{"idx":4920,"utterance_id":4921,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4922,"start_s":4923,"end_s":4924,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},745,"126647","tal vez incluso yo esté equivocado y él tenga razón.",4492.34,4494.94,{"idx":4926,"utterance_id":4927,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4928,"start_s":4929,"end_s":4930,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},746,"126648","Pero, sinceramente, no es mucho mi estilo, y parece que su desaprobación dentro de los Estados Unidos está altísima.",4495.38,4503.86,{"idx":4932,"utterance_id":4933,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4934,"start_s":4935,"end_s":4936,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},747,"126649","Parece que la vida del americano, aun con todo lo que él ha hecho, no ha mejorado como se esperaba.",4504.58,4513.54,{"idx":4938,"utterance_id":4939,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4940,"start_s":4941,"end_s":4942,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},748,"126650","Pero veo que su gran preocupación quizás sea esa; tiene sentido.",4514.16,4519.24,{"idx":4944,"utterance_id":4945,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4946,"start_s":4947,"end_s":4948,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":4861,"topic_label":4862,"target_id":4949,"target_proposition":4950,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":4951,"indexable":323},749,"126651","Y recordando que Brasil ha ido creando una relación de dependencia cada vez mayor con China.",4519.28,4525.16,"6e5115cb-3f5d-4bb6-863f-c6720ed5d51f","diversificar las exportaciones y reducir la dependencia económica excesiva de China","Alerta sobre la dependencia de China y recomienda vender a más países.",{"idx":4953,"utterance_id":4954,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4955,"start_s":4956,"end_s":4957,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},750,"126652","Yo soy del comercio minorista.",4526.46,4528.14,{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},751,"126653","Nunca es bueno tener un cliente que responda por el 30 o 40% de tus ventas.",4528.64,4534.44,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},752,"126654","Tienes que venderle al mundo entero y no a uno o dos países.",4534.48,4539.9,{"idx":4971,"utterance_id":4972,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4973,"start_s":4974,"end_s":4975,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},753,"126655","y entonces un día ellos dicen: 'no voy a comprar más'.",4540,4542.68,{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},754,"126656","Tendremos aquí una crisis económica gigantesca.",4543.3,4545.74,{"idx":4983,"utterance_id":4984,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4985,"start_s":4986,"end_s":4987,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},755,"126657","Y me parece que el PT piensa que China solo quiere beneficiar.",4546.42,4551.6,{"idx":4989,"utterance_id":4990,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4991,"start_s":4992,"end_s":4993,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},756,"126658","Puede ser en este momento y a largo plazo.",4551.74,4554.3,{"idx":4995,"utterance_id":4996,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4997,"start_s":4998,"end_s":4999,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},757,"126659","Vendrá presión, vendrán otras cosas.",4554.76,4557.68,{"idx":5001,"utterance_id":5002,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5003,"start_s":5004,"end_s":5005,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},758,"126660","Entonces, esa relación internacional del PT, para mí, es muy equivocada.",4558.22,4562.9,{"idx":5007,"utterance_id":5008,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5009,"start_s":5010,"end_s":5011,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},759,"126661","Un acercamiento desmedido con dictaduras, principalmente.",4562.98,4568.1,{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":325,"indexable":179},760,"126662","como comenté, y un alejamiento del Occidente, que son los países cristianos con los que nos identificamos; tenemos una historia en común.",4568.44,4576.74,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":174,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":646,"topic_label":647,"target_id":4762,"target_proposition":4763,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":5024,"indexable":323},761,"126663","¿Usted, como presidente de la República, reaproximaría a Brasil a Estados Unidos en detrimento de China?",4577.06,4582.76,"Responde positivamente a la idea de reaproximación con Occidente (OCDE).",{"idx":967,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},"126664","Del Occidente, que era Brasil en la OCDE.",4583.06,4585.84,{"idx":5031,"utterance_id":5032,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5033,"start_s":5034,"end_s":5035,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},763,"126665","Sería un sello de calidad para Brasil.",4586.28,4588.38,{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":174,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},764,"126666","Gobernador, estamos avanzando aquí hacia la ronda final de preguntas.",4589.56,4592.22,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":174,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},765,"126667","Observamos un fenómeno, sobre todo entre los más jóvenes, cada vez más, de una división, claro, entre hombres y mujeres.",4593.24,4600.46,{"idx":5049,"utterance_id":5050,"speaker_name":174,"text":5051,"start_s":5052,"end_s":5053,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},766,"126668","Entonces, los hombres con una tendencia más a la derecha, las mujeres cada vez más votando a la izquierda.",4600.68,4605.82,{"idx":5055,"utterance_id":5056,"speaker_name":174,"text":5057,"start_s":5058,"end_s":5059,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},767,"126669","Claro, generalizando aquí.",4605.9,4607.58,{"idx":5061,"utterance_id":5062,"speaker_name":174,"text":5063,"start_s":5064,"end_s":5065,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},768,"126670","¿Cómo ve usted esta guerra de los sexos que se está manifestando?",4608.38,4611.26,{"idx":5067,"utterance_id":5068,"speaker_name":174,"text":5069,"start_s":5070,"end_s":5071,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},769,"126671","Hubo ese PL de la misoginia ahora en el Congreso también.",4611.88,4615.3,{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":174,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},770,"126672","¿Cómo votaría usted sobre eso?",4615.4,4616.64,{"idx":5079,"utterance_id":5080,"speaker_name":174,"text":5081,"start_s":5082,"end_s":5083,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},771,"126673","Porque, por un lado, además, quien vote en contra puede ser visto como contrario a las mujeres.",4617.04,4621.3,{"idx":5085,"utterance_id":5086,"speaker_name":174,"text":5087,"start_s":5088,"end_s":5089,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},772,"126674","¿Cómo está usted afrontando este momento en relación con este fenómeno social?",4621.74,4625.84,{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},773,"126675","Esa cuestión realmente procede.",4628,4630.5,{"idx":5097,"utterance_id":5098,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5099,"start_s":5100,"end_s":5101,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},774,"126676","los hombres más en esa postura.",4631.78,4635.72,{"idx":5103,"utterance_id":5104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5105,"start_s":5106,"end_s":5107,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},775,"126677","Cuando entro en mi red social y sigo comentarios, posicionamientos, eso, Renato, se vuelve muy perceptible.",4636.04,4645.82,{"idx":5109,"utterance_id":5110,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5111,"start_s":5112,"end_s":5113,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},776,"126678","Pero yo, que ya tengo 61 años, y por ser del interior de Minas, tengo una visión conservadora del mundo.",4647.54,4657.04,{"idx":5115,"utterance_id":5116,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5117,"start_s":5118,"end_s":5119,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5120,"topic_label":5121,"target_id":5122,"target_proposition":5123,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":423,"rationale":5124,"indexable":323},777,"126679","Para mí, los baños son dos: baño masculino y baño femenino.",4657.82,4662.8,"direitos-lgbtq-e-identidade-de-genero","Derechos LGBTQ+ e identidad de género","365fbbee-6e66-458e-bdc3-9417b8db4a5b","mantener baños segregados por sexo de nacimiento","Afirma que 'banheiro são dois' y define el uso según el nacimiento biológico.",{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5126,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5127,"start_s":5128,"end_s":5129,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},"126680","Y va al masculino quien nació hombre, y al femenino quien nació mujer también, y no quien se sometió a alguna alteración durante la vida.",4663.92,4676.86,{"idx":5131,"utterance_id":5132,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5133,"start_s":5134,"end_s":5135,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},779,"126681","Entonces, mi visión sobre este tema es muy simple.",4676.96,4680.22,{"idx":5137,"utterance_id":5138,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5139,"start_s":5140,"end_s":5141,"word_count":411,"indexable":179},780,"126682","Lo que funcionó durante toda la historia de la humanidad... que hizo al mundo desarrollarse, que mejoró la vida de miles de millones de personas, porque de repente algunos creen que se está desconsiderando a otros, todo tiene que ser cambiado.",4681.12,4699.76,{"idx":5143,"utterance_id":5144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5145,"start_s":5146,"end_s":5147,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},781,"126683","No tengo nada en contra de la orientación sexual de nadie.",4700.38,4703.84,{"idx":5149,"utterance_id":5150,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5151,"start_s":5152,"end_s":5153,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":5120,"topic_label":5121,"target_id":5154,"target_proposition":5155,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":5156,"indexable":323},782,"126684","Si alguien quiere cambiar de sexo, es un problema individual; solo creo que debería haber una edad mínima, pienso que 21 años, como mínimo.",4704.66,4713.8,"d7a81661-b0e1-4c06-b661-a860d299daa4","establecer edad mínima de 21 años para el cambio legal de sexo","Defiende explícitamente 'deveria ter uma idade mínima, acho que 21 anos, no mínimo'.",{"idx":5158,"utterance_id":5159,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5160,"start_s":5161,"end_s":5162,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},783,"126685","Porque mucha gente se arrepiente hasta de hacerse un tatuaje.",4714.28,4717.16,{"idx":5164,"utterance_id":5165,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5166,"start_s":5167,"end_s":5168,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},784,"126686","Después, ¿ya pensó en cambiar de sexo?",4717.24,4720.18,{"idx":5170,"utterance_id":5171,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5172,"start_s":5173,"end_s":5174,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},785,"126687","Entonces veo que son temas de foro íntimo, que se deben respetar las decisiones individuales.",4721.22,4728.38,{"idx":5176,"utterance_id":5177,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5178,"start_s":5179,"end_s":5180,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},786,"126688","Soy una persona que respeta la opinión de todo el mundo, siempre que no pretenda afectar la vida de los demás.",4728.76,4734.68,{"idx":5182,"utterance_id":5183,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5184,"start_s":5185,"end_s":5186,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":5187,"topic_label":5188,"target_id":5189,"target_proposition":5190,"stance":2775,"stance_confidence":1674,"rationale":5191,"indexable":179},787,"126689","Si él quiere hacer determinada... no soy favorable a la droga, no, pero esa cuestión de que tenga tal orientación sexual, está bien.",4735.34,4744.64,"politicas-de-drogas","Políticas de drogas","b293ad7e-2bcb-4f0e-86c2-67e77e5eb9a4","descriminalizar las drogas","Declara 'não sou favorável à droga', oponiéndose así a la despenalización.",{"idx":5193,"utterance_id":5194,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5195,"start_s":5196,"end_s":5197,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},788,"126690","Y con respecto a eso que se votó en el Congreso... mantendré mi posicionamiento.",4745.98,4751.92,{"idx":5199,"utterance_id":5200,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5201,"start_s":5202,"end_s":5203,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},789,"126691","Creo que es un tema que debe ser analizado con profundidad.",4752.28,4757.68,{"idx":5205,"utterance_id":5206,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5207,"start_s":5208,"end_s":5209,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},790,"126692","Hubo cosas allí que se añadieron, cambiaron o retiraron en el último momento.",4758.66,4763.78,{"idx":5211,"utterance_id":5212,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5213,"start_s":5214,"end_s":5215,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},791,"126693","No recuerdo bien los detalles.",4764.18,4766.54,{"idx":5217,"utterance_id":5218,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5219,"start_s":5220,"end_s":5221,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},792,"126694","Sé que la gente de mi partido dijo eso, y se volvió un remiendo.",4766.96,4770.34,{"idx":5223,"utterance_id":5224,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5225,"start_s":5226,"end_s":5227,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},793,"126695","No era posible votarlo de cabo a rabo.",4770.72,4773.32,{"idx":5229,"utterance_id":5230,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5231,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},794,"126696","Hay cosas aquí que son buenas, hay cosas que son malas, las fueron mezclando.",4773.86,4777.4,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},795,"126697","Fruta buena con fruta podrida ahí, ¿me entiende?",4778.12,4781.04,{"idx":5241,"utterance_id":5242,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5243,"start_s":5244,"end_s":5245,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},796,"126698","Entonces creo que hace falta depurar eso para hacer algo adecuado.",4781.52,4786.66,{"idx":5247,"utterance_id":5248,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5249,"start_s":5250,"end_s":5251,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},797,"126699","Debemos respetar a las minorías, pero las minorías no pueden faltarle el respeto a la mayoría también.",4787.2,4792.86,{"idx":5253,"utterance_id":5254,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5255,"start_s":5256,"end_s":5257,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},798,"126700","Y vemos en Brasil que alguien que a veces es homosexual, nada en su contra, quiere imponer esa voluntad suya o quiere mostrarse superior porque es eso.",4793.94,4804.34,{"idx":5259,"utterance_id":5260,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5261,"start_s":5262,"end_s":5263,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},799,"126701","Y nadie es superior a nadie.",4805.12,4806.88,{"idx":5265,"utterance_id":5266,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5267,"start_s":5268,"end_s":5269,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},800,"126702","Entonces creo que debe haber cierto comedimiento ahí.",4807.26,4810.44,{"idx":5271,"utterance_id":5272,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5273,"start_s":5274,"end_s":5275,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},801,"126703","Y yo tengo la siguiente postura.",4811.04,4815.34,{"idx":5277,"utterance_id":5278,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5279,"start_s":5280,"end_s":5281,"word_count":368,"indexable":179},802,"126704","Aquello que se construyó durante nuestra civilización, que se mostró bueno como la familia, no se puede querer destruir en una o dos generaciones si se construyó durante miles y miles de años.",4815.86,4830.92,{"idx":5283,"utterance_id":5284,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5285,"start_s":5286,"end_s":5287,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},803,"126705","Digamos que nuestra civilización tiene unos 5.000 años.",4830.96,4833.86,{"idx":5289,"utterance_id":5290,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5291,"start_s":5292,"end_s":5293,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},804,"126706","que se originó allí, todas ellas en Oriente, en Oriente Medio, en Occidente, valoraron la familia.",4834.58,4843.28,{"idx":5295,"utterance_id":5296,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5297,"start_s":5298,"end_s":5299,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},805,"126707","Siempre fue el núcleo.",4844.26,4845.62,{"idx":5301,"utterance_id":5302,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5303,"start_s":5304,"end_s":5305,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},806,"126708","Y ahora llega alguien y dice que la familia no vale nada, no sé qué.",4846.12,4849.84,{"idx":5307,"utterance_id":5308,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5309,"start_s":5310,"end_s":5311,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},807,"126709","No es 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pregunta final, las alianzas están establecidas y todo puede suceder.",4878.94,4886.7,{"idx":5364,"utterance_id":5365,"speaker_name":174,"text":5366,"start_s":5367,"end_s":5368,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},817,"126719","¿Hay posibilidad de que tengamos una alianza?",4887.96,4892.26,{"idx":5370,"utterance_id":5371,"speaker_name":174,"text":5372,"start_s":5373,"end_s":5374,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},818,"126720","¿Ronaldo, Caiado y Zema?",4893.16,4894.62,{"idx":5376,"utterance_id":5377,"speaker_name":174,"text":5378,"start_s":5379,"end_s":5380,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},819,"126721","¿En la primera vuelta?",4895.02,4895.94,{"idx":5382,"utterance_id":5383,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5384,"start_s":5385,"end_s":5386,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},820,"126722","Samer, el nuevo, como dije, hizo alianzas con el PL (Partido Liberal) en los estados del sur, hizo alianza en Goiás con el PL (Partido Liberal) y hizo alianza con el PSD en Minas Gerais.",4897.6,4912.54,{"idx":5388,"utterance_id":5389,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5390,"start_s":5391,"end_s":5392,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},821,"126723","Allá en Minas ya hicimos alianza.",4913.44,4915.32,{"idx":5394,"utterance_id":5395,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5396,"start_s":5397,"end_s":5398,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},822,"126724","Mi exgobernador, el vicegobernador, es hoy del PSD, que es el mismo partido que el de Caiado.",4916.02,4923.42,{"idx":5400,"utterance_id":5401,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5402,"start_s":5403,"end_s":5404,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},823,"126725","Entonces, allá en Minas estamos caminando juntos.",4923.46,4927.52,{"idx":5406,"utterance_id":5407,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5408,"start_s":5409,"end_s":5410,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},824,"126726","Me llevo bien con Caiado, me llevo bien con Kassab.",4928,4931.38,{"idx":5412,"utterance_id":5413,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5414,"start_s":5415,"end_s":5416,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},825,"126727","Más adelante, dependiendo de todo lo que vaya a suceder, ninguna conversación está descartada, no.",4932.2,4938.9,{"idx":5418,"utterance_id":5419,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5420,"start_s":5421,"end_s":5422,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},826,"126728","Ninguna conversación está descartada, no.",4939.36,4941.16,{"idx":5424,"utterance_id":5425,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5426,"start_s":5427,"end_s":5428,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":1746,"topic_label":1747,"target_id":5429,"target_proposition":5430,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":680,"rationale":5431,"indexable":323},827,"126729","Pero Caiado y yo nos hemos posicionado.",4941.72,4944.06,"55596ff4-3cc0-453a-8b55-ae69b416c7ca","formar alianzas electorales con otros candidatos de centro-derecha","Afirma que 'vamos estar juntos no segundo turno' y que las conversaciones no están descartadas.",{"idx":5433,"utterance_id":5434,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5435,"start_s":5436,"end_s":5437,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},828,"126730","Vamos a llevar nuestras campañas y vamos a estar juntos en el segundo turno.",4944.14,4949.66,{"idx":5439,"utterance_id":5440,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5441,"start_s":5442,"end_s":5443,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},829,"126731","Pero sabemos que en la política hasta lo imposible sucede.",4950.22,4954.28,{"idx":5445,"utterance_id":5446,"speaker_name":174,"text":5447,"start_s":5448,"end_s":5449,"word_count":358,"indexable":179},830,"126732","Gobernador, usted hizo una defensa de la familia, de los valores occidentales, un posicionamiento bastante conservador, habló de tener un secretario de la escuela austríaca de economía, que es bastante liberal.",4957.54,4972.04,{"idx":5451,"utterance_id":5452,"speaker_name":174,"text":5453,"start_s":5454,"end_s":5455,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},831,"126733","¿Cómo se define ideológicamente, señor?",4973.94,4976.3,{"idx":5457,"utterance_id":5458,"speaker_name":174,"text":5459,"start_s":5460,"end_s":5461,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},832,"126734","Si tuviera que hacerlo, sabemos que las etiquetas y los rótulos siempre son imperfectos.",4976.34,4980.7,{"idx":5463,"utterance_id":5464,"speaker_name":174,"text":5465,"start_s":5466,"end_s":5467,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},833,"126735","Pero ¿es en la línea de liberal en la economía y conservador en las costumbres, es por ahí?",4981.56,4985.88,{"idx":5469,"utterance_id":5470,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5471,"start_s":5472,"end_s":5473,"word_count":209,"indexable":179},834,"126736","Justo en esa línea, ¿verdad Ricardo?",4986.24,4988.18,{"idx":5475,"utterance_id":5476,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5477,"start_s":5478,"end_s":5479,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},835,"126737","Justo en esa línea.",4988.38,4989.18,{"idx":5481,"utterance_id":5482,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5483,"start_s":5484,"end_s":5485,"word_count":331,"indexable":179},836,"126738","Sé que el liberal en la economía, en un país como Brasil, que carga con el 'costo Brasil', tiene que hacer sus ponderaciones.",4989.92,5001.24,{"idx":5487,"utterance_id":5488,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5489,"start_s":5490,"end_s":5491,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},837,"126739","Usted dice: '¿Brasil va a tener tarifa cero para todos los productos importados?'",5001.28,5007.2,{"idx":5493,"utterance_id":5494,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5495,"start_s":5496,"end_s":5497,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},838,"126740","Vamos a destruir nuestro parque productivo aquí, porque quien produce en Brasil está pagando tasas de interés del 20% anual al momento de pedir dinero al banco.",5008.24,5017,{"idx":5499,"utterance_id":5500,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5501,"start_s":5502,"end_s":5503,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},839,"126741","Hay una legislación laboral que es la más compleja del mundo.",5017.54,5021.68,{"idx":5505,"utterance_id":5506,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5507,"start_s":5508,"end_s":5509,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":5510,"target_proposition":5511,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":321,"rationale":5512,"indexable":323},840,"126742","Hay un costo tributario, una complejidad; todavía no se ha llevado a cabo la reforma tributaria.",5022.56,5027.9,"7343ec22-c233-435e-aa9e-837953fe5dc8","reducir la complejidad del sistema tributario brasileño","Afirma que 'a reforma tributária não aconteceu', indicando la necesidad de llevarla a cabo.",{"idx":5514,"utterance_id":5515,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5516,"start_s":5517,"end_s":5518,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},841,"126743","Es lo mismo que disputar una carrera olímpica calzando una zapatilla de dos kilos en el pie.",5028.46,5034.14,{"idx":5520,"utterance_id":5521,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5522,"start_s":5523,"end_s":5524,"word_count":255,"indexable":179},842,"126744","Y sus adversarios están ahí con unas zapatillas Nike de 100 gramos.",5034.98,5039.1,{"idx":5526,"utterance_id":5527,"speaker_name":174,"text":5528,"start_s":5529,"end_s":5530,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},843,"126745","Corre que el chino te va a alcanzar.",5039.5,5040.88,{"idx":5532,"utterance_id":5533,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5534,"start_s":5535,"end_s":5536,"word_count":222,"indexable":179},844,"126746","Sí, vas a llegar en último lugar.",5041.28,5043.18,{"idx":5538,"utterance_id":5539,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5540,"start_s":5541,"end_s":5542,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},845,"126747","Entonces, tienes que hacer los ajustes necesarios.",5043.64,5047.06,{"idx":5544,"utterance_id":5545,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5546,"start_s":5547,"end_s":5548,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},846,"126748","No se puede salir liberalizando a lo loco, no, que arruinas a todo el mundo.",5047.12,5050.8,{"idx":5550,"utterance_id":5551,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5552,"start_s":5553,"end_s":5554,"word_count":200,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":5555,"target_proposition":5556,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":5557,"indexable":323},847,"126749","Pero soy partidario de una economía de libre mercado, sí, de reducir la burocracia.",5051.14,5055.88,"4238cf81-ff5c-484b-af40-288ff6241c99","desregular y simplificar regulaciones económicas","Declara explícitamente ser 'favorável à economia de livre mercado, a reduzir a burocracia'.",{"idx":5559,"utterance_id":5560,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5561,"start_s":5562,"end_s":5563,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":5555,"target_proposition":5556,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":365,"rationale":5564,"indexable":323},848,"126750","Fue lo que hicimos en Minas Gerais para poder generar esos más de un millón de empleos allí.",5055.98,5060.82,"Reclama acción concreta de su gobierno en Minas para justificar esa política.",{"idx":5566,"utterance_id":5567,"speaker_name":174,"text":5568,"start_s":5569,"end_s":5570,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},849,"126751","Muy bien, quería agradecer la presencia del gobernador Romeu Zema, precandidato a la presidencia de la República por el Partido Novo.",5061.9,5068.72,{"idx":5572,"utterance_id":5573,"speaker_name":174,"text":5574,"start_s":5575,"end_s":5576,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},850,"126752","Agradecer a los colegas Ricardo Gomes, Silvio Merage, agradecerle a usted que nos acompañó hasta aquí.",5069.26,5074.6,{"idx":5578,"utterance_id":5579,"speaker_name":174,"text":5580,"start_s":5581,"end_s":5582,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},851,"126753","Dejar un minutito final para que el gobernador envíe un mensaje a nuestro público.",5075.2,5078.78,{"idx":5584,"utterance_id":5585,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5586,"start_s":5587,"end_s":5588,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},852,"126754","Gracias, Renato.",5078.82,5081.36,{"idx":5590,"utterance_id":5591,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5592,"start_s":5593,"end_s":5594,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},853,"126755","Renato, lo que quiero decir aquí a nuestro público es que creo mucho en Brasil, que ya superó grandes dificultades.",5081.44,5088.7,{"idx":5596,"utterance_id":5597,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5598,"start_s":5599,"end_s":5600,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},854,"126756","Brasil tiene un territorio enorme.",5088.86,5090.68,{"idx":5602,"utterance_id":5603,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5604,"start_s":5605,"end_s":5606,"word_count":347,"indexable":179},855,"126757","Tiene energía limpia como ningún otro país del mundo tiene, aunque puede ser ampliada; un pueblo que cree en el futuro, un pueblo que cree en Dios.",5091.4,5104.02,{"idx":5608,"utterance_id":5609,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5610,"start_s":5611,"end_s":5612,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},856,"126758","Tenemos una agricultura de punta en Brasil; ya hemos demostrado que hay un Brasil que funciona.",5105.16,5112.46,{"idx":5614,"utterance_id":5615,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5616,"start_s":5617,"end_s":5618,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":5619,"target_proposition":5620,"stance":338,"stance_confidence":776,"rationale":5621,"indexable":323},857,"126759","El problema de Brasil, yo siempre digo, no es falta de recursos, el problema de Brasil es que sobran ladrones.",5112.5,5120.52,"69173589-3c47-41dc-a234-53da52e356ea","combatir la corrupción y la impunidad","Afirma que el problema es 'sobra de ladrão' y aboga por resolverlo.",{"idx":5623,"utterance_id":5624,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5625,"start_s":5626,"end_s":5627,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},858,"126760","Y el día que resolvamos ese problema, Brasil no es un país fracasado, un país condenado.",5120.8,5130.58,{"idx":5629,"utterance_id":5630,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5631,"start_s":5632,"end_s":5633,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},859,"126761","Es un país, sí, robado.",5130.64,5132.58,{"idx":5635,"utterance_id":5636,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5637,"start_s":5638,"end_s":5639,"word_count":432,"indexable":179},860,"126762","Y en octubre vamos a tener ahora la opción de decidir si queremos que Brasil continúe en manos de los intocables que están allá en Brasilia, o si vamos a poner Brasil en manos de los brasileños de 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