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Bienvenidos a otro Flow. Soy Igor y hoy voy a conversar con Lula, amigo. Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Muchas gracias por venir, amigo.",69.7,78.18,false,{"idx":75,"utterance_id":76,"speaker_name":69,"text":77,"start_s":78,"end_s":79,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1,"6163","Es para ver, Igor.",79,79.66,5,{"idx":82,"utterance_id":83,"speaker_name":69,"text":84,"start_s":85,"end_s":86,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},2,"6164","Oh, qué bueno. Mira, quería tener esta charla contigo desde hace mucho tiempo, no tienes ni idea, amigo. Me imagino que esto ni siquiera te llega, pero he estado tratando de hablar contigo desde hace unos dos años. No,",80.5,90.42,39,{"idx":89,"utterance_id":90,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":93,"start_s":86,"end_s":94,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},3,"6165","Luis Inacio Lula da Silva","luis-inacio-lula-da-silva","La verdad es lo siguiente: Crispiniano hace tiempo que quiere que yo vaya al Flow. ¿Eh? Hace tiempo.",95.26,20,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},4,"6166","Ah, entonces gracias, Crispiniano. Sí, aquí está, mira.",95.9,97.94000000000001,8,{"idx":80,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},"6167","Hace tiempo.",98.5,98.78,{"idx":109,"utterance_id":110,"speaker_name":69,"text":111,"start_s":112,"end_s":113,"word_count":114,"indexable":73},6,"6168","Hiciste fuerza ahí, ¿no? Pero todo salió bien, gracias a Dios. Bueno, antes de que empecemos aquí, en realidad, déjame hablar sobre los patrocinadores de hoy. Empezando por Universus, que es un juego de esos Play to Earn, de Web3, que, bueno, funciona con NFTs, significa que puedes jugar y lucrar al mismo tiempo, ¿vale? Es un juego que ya tiene más de 7 mil NFTs vendidas y es un juego completamente brasileño, ¿ok? El equipo es todo de brasileños. Hay gente de la NASA que ayuda con consultoría por ahí, pero es esencialmente brasileño y está por lanzarse, ya casi va a salir, ya casi es hora de que lo probemos.",99.62,139.14,123,{"idx":116,"utterance_id":117,"speaker_name":69,"text":118,"start_s":119,"end_s":120,"word_count":121,"indexable":73},7,"6169","La gente del estudio ya está toda animada, todos van a jugar a ese, ¿vale? Y, amigo, ahora hay un enlace: si quieres ser uno de los primeros exploradores de Universus, hay un enlace que está en el comentario fijado o en el código QR, donde respondes un cuestionario y participas en el sorteo de 15 premios de 100 reales, ¿vale? Puedes ganar una plata, de hecho puedes ganar dinero si tienes suerte, participando en ese cuestionario, ¿ok? Así que estate atento en las redes sociales, en Discord y todo lo demás sobre Universus que está por lanzarse; tecnología brasileña, todo sucediendo aquí en Brasil, ¿vale?",139.16,174.26,121,{"idx":102,"utterance_id":123,"speaker_name":69,"text":124,"start_s":125,"end_s":126,"word_count":127,"indexable":73},"6170","Y, amigo, están siendo los últimos días de la promoción: compras 3 androides y te llevas 3 androides más, que son los personajes que usas en el juego para ir bien, ¿vale?",174.6,184.48000000000002,36,{"idx":129,"utterance_id":130,"speaker_name":69,"text":131,"start_s":132,"end_s":133,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},9,"6171","Entonces, mira, no pierdas tiempo. El código QR aquí, el comentario aquí. Es decir, en realidad el enlace está en el comentario fijado. Y eso es todo. Y hay un regalo para Lu aquí también.",184.94,194.4,{"idx":4,"utterance_id":135,"speaker_name":69,"text":136,"start_s":137,"end_s":138,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},"6172","Te lo mandaron, mira.",196.1,197.18,{"idx":140,"utterance_id":141,"speaker_name":69,"text":142,"start_s":143,"end_s":144,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},11,"6173","Toma.",197.9,198.16,{"idx":146,"utterance_id":147,"speaker_name":69,"text":148,"start_s":149,"end_s":150,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},12,"6174","Regalito. Y los tipos vienen aquí a llevarse un regalito.",199.2,202.11999999999998,{"idx":152,"utterance_id":153,"speaker_name":69,"text":154,"start_s":155,"end_s":156,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},13,"6175","¿Así es, eh?",203.8,204.36,{"idx":158,"utterance_id":159,"speaker_name":69,"text":160,"start_s":161,"end_s":162,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},14,"6176","Hay un NFT, un gorrito y tal, ¿no?",205.9,207.94,{"idx":164,"utterance_id":165,"speaker_name":69,"text":166,"start_s":167,"end_s":168,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},15,"6177","Pues sí.",208.6,208.92,{"idx":170,"utterance_id":171,"speaker_name":69,"text":172,"start_s":173,"end_s":174,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},16,"6178","Mira cómo me veo en la",209.8,212.3,{"idx":176,"utterance_id":177,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":178,"start_s":174,"end_s":179,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},17,"6179","moda.",214.20000000000002,{"idx":181,"utterance_id":182,"speaker_name":69,"text":183,"start_s":184,"end_s":185,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},18,"6180","¡Carajo!",216.3,216.8,{"idx":187,"utterance_id":188,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":189,"start_s":190,"end_s":191,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},19,"6181","Me gustó,",217.22,217.84,{"idx":95,"utterance_id":193,"speaker_name":69,"text":194,"start_s":191,"end_s":195,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},"6182","quedó genial.",218.46,{"idx":197,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":69,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},21,"6183","Ah, ok, entonces eso es, ¿no? Universos, entra a las redes sociales para que los conozcas, ¿vale?",219.3,223.34,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":203,"speaker_name":69,"text":204,"start_s":205,"end_s":206,"word_count":207,"indexable":73},"6184","Ahora, déjame decir que esta es facilísima para mí. No es que la otra... Es que Universos todavía no tuve la oportunidad de probar. Pero la Insider la pruebo, la uso todos los días. Es esta camiseta que estoy usando. Que Lula también tendrá la oportunidad de probar. Toma, Lula.",224.2,240.35999999999999,62,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":209,"speaker_name":69,"text":210,"start_s":211,"end_s":212,"word_count":213,"indexable":73},"6185","Amigo, me voy a ir. Ropita, ropita, ropita. Aquí estás a la moda. Sí, vas a salir a la moda. Y mira, Insider es una tienda online de ropa, ¿vale? De vestimenta. Tiene varias prendas. No tiene solo camisetas. Como pueden ver, hay camisetas de manga larga también. Hay de varios colores diferentes. Hay sudaderas, calzoncillos, calcetines, de todo. Y una de las cosas más interesantes es que ahora Insider también vende para quien nos mira y no está en Brasil: puedes comprar desde cualquier lugar del mundo y tus compras te llegan en 7 días, ¿vale?",241.2,274.91999999999996,110,{"idx":215,"utterance_id":216,"speaker_name":69,"text":217,"start_s":218,"end_s":219,"word_count":220,"indexable":73},24,"6186","Puedes entrar en insiderstore.com.br, usar el cupón FLOW20 que hoy, especialmente, te dará 20 % de descuento en tu compra, ¿vale? Y como dije, puedes comprar desde cualquier lugar del mundo y te llega en 7 días. Entonces, hay un código QR aquí, también está el enlace en el comentario fijado. Pero para quienes solo están escuchando: insiderstore.com.br y usa el cupón FLOW20, vas a obtener 20 % de descuento. ¿Bien?",275.34,303.46,83,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":222,"speaker_name":69,"text":223,"start_s":224,"end_s":225,"word_count":226,"indexable":73},"6187","Recordando que la ropa no está hecha de cualquier tejido: tejido tecnológico y eso. Tiene efecto bactericida y ayuda a controlar los olores en la camiseta. Es fácil: la lavas y no necesitas planchar. Solo la cuelgas y listo, ¿vale? Confort térmico diferenciado. Entonces vale la pena probar las prendas de Insider.",303.94,325.26,59,{"idx":9,"utterance_id":228,"speaker_name":69,"text":229,"start_s":230,"end_s":231,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},"6188","¿Sí, está bien? Entonces, insiderstore.com.br y el cupón es FLOW20. Y Lula, este último aquí, amigo, así, no es nada personal, ¿eh?",327.6,335.26000000000005,{"idx":233,"utterance_id":234,"speaker_name":69,"text":235,"start_s":236,"end_s":237,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},27,"6189","Pero mira...",336.4,336.79999999999995,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":239,"speaker_name":69,"text":240,"start_s":241,"end_s":242,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},"6190","Eh... Tú ahí que estás calvo.",338,340.12,{"idx":244,"utterance_id":245,"speaker_name":69,"text":246,"start_s":247,"end_s":248,"word_count":127,"indexable":73},29,"6191","Y necesitas un implante, ¿cierto? Como yo, me hice dos, además, ¿sabes? ¿Te hiciste dos implantes? Me hice dos, me hice dos. Me hice uno para cubrir aquí, quedó bastante bien. Pero son nuevos.",342.7,352.21999999999997,{"idx":250,"utterance_id":251,"speaker_name":69,"text":252,"start_s":253,"end_s":254,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},30,"6192","Tengo 37, ¿no?",352.9,354.09999999999997,{"idx":256,"utterance_id":257,"speaker_name":69,"text":258,"start_s":259,"end_s":260,"word_count":261,"indexable":73},31,"6193","Pero yo, entonces, me hice un segundo porque empezó a faltar aquí atrás también. Entonces me hice otro más, densifiqué, así que ahora estoy con mucho pelo. Pero, amigo, antes estaba medio aterrador, para ser sincero. Entonces, si estás pasando por un problema así, de falta de cabello, puedes buscar el Stanley's Hair Institute, ¿vale? Que es quien hizo mi implante y no necesitas salir de Brasil. Está esa idea de que tienes que ir a Turquía para hacer el implante capilar y no es verdad. Puedes hacerlo hoy en Brasil, en las principales ciudades, Stanley ya está llegando, ¿vale?",354.8,385.16,114,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":263,"speaker_name":69,"text":264,"start_s":265,"end_s":266,"word_count":267,"indexable":73},"6194","Y, amigo, hacen un trabajo con la máxima tecnología, la máxima calidad y el precio es especial. Puedo asegurar que el precio es especial y además puedes pagar a plazos ahí, tranquilo, pagas con tarjeta de crédito, vas a volver a tener pelo y a buen precio, ¿vale? Entonces, para que sepas cómo funciona, hay un enlace en el comentario fijado donde llenas un cuestionario, un registro rapidito y de entrada obtienes una evaluación totalmente gratuita y una sesión de mesoterapia capilar, que es una especie de terapia preventiva para la caída del cabello, ¿vale?",385.52,420.5,109,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":269,"speaker_name":69,"text":270,"start_s":271,"end_s":272,"word_count":273,"indexable":73},"6195","Así que conoce el trabajo de Stanley de poner cabello a los demás; yo lo hice, por eso estoy peludo para carajo; ahora incluso puedo darme el lujo de aparecer despeinado por ahí, porque antes no tenía opción.",420.68,431.94,42,{"idx":275,"utterance_id":276,"speaker_name":69,"text":277,"start_s":278,"end_s":279,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},34,"6196","Así que entra en Stanley's Hair Institute. Te vas a quedar bien peludo. ¿Bien? Eso es.",432.4,438.03999999999996,{"idx":281,"utterance_id":282,"speaker_name":69,"text":283,"start_s":284,"end_s":285,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},35,"6197","¿Faltó algo, Borgão? ¿Es eso?",438.44,440.34,{"idx":127,"utterance_id":287,"speaker_name":69,"text":288,"start_s":289,"end_s":290,"word_count":291,"indexable":73},"6198","Eso es. Oye, hoy hay un emblema; la otra vez no lo dije, pero hicieron el emblema de Lula hoy, ¿no? Aquí tenemos un artista que medio que hace en homenaje a los invitados, un emblema, un dibujito.",441.3,452.34000000000003,43,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":294,"speaker_name":69,"text":295,"start_s":296,"end_s":297,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},37,"6199","¿Y dónde está? ¿Ya lo va a poner ahí para nosotros? Es Lipnero quien lo hace, ese chico es muy bueno.",453.1,457.74,{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":69,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},38,"6200","Mira, ahí. Eso eres tú.",458.38,459.56,{"idx":87,"utterance_id":305,"speaker_name":69,"text":306,"start_s":307,"end_s":308,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},"6201","Animado y todo, este quedó demasiado chévere.",460.2,461.92,{"idx":310,"utterance_id":311,"speaker_name":69,"text":312,"start_s":313,"end_s":314,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},40,"6202","Sí, como medio superhéroe, ¿no?",463.7,465.26,{"idx":316,"utterance_id":317,"speaker_name":69,"text":318,"start_s":319,"end_s":320,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},41,"6203","Amigo, consiguió un milagro.",466.14,467.52,{"idx":273,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":69,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},"6204","¿Qué? Oye, Igor, sabes que... Tienes más pelo",468,471.02,{"idx":291,"utterance_id":327,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":328,"start_s":325,"end_s":329,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},"6205","ahí, eh, Ludo? Esto de ser peludo es lo siguiente. Yo fui peludo hasta...",475.28,{"idx":331,"utterance_id":332,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":333,"start_s":334,"end_s":335,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},44,"6206","Hasta 2011, cuando tuve cáncer.",476,477.92,{"idx":337,"utterance_id":338,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":339,"start_s":340,"end_s":341,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},45,"6207","Cuando tuve cáncer, entonces el cabello se cayó.",478.14,480.72,{"idx":343,"utterance_id":344,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":345,"start_s":346,"end_s":347,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},46,"6208","Y ya no volvió a nacer con la fuerza que tenía. Pero tenía miedo de quedarme calvo y no casarme, amigo.",481.6,488.1,{"idx":349,"utterance_id":350,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":351,"start_s":352,"end_s":353,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},47,"6209","Mi hermano Freixico se quedó calvo a los 22, 23 años, ya tenía el cucurucú aquí.",488.62,493.48,{"idx":355,"utterance_id":356,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":357,"start_s":358,"end_s":359,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},48,"6210","Y yo tenía un miedo, joder, si me quedo calvo, ¿quién querrá casarse conmigo, joder?",494.6,498.08000000000004,{"idx":361,"utterance_id":362,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":363,"start_s":364,"end_s":365,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},49,"6211","Bueno, no fue un problema al final de cuentas. No me quedé calvo, gracias a Dios. Ahora tengo un poco de pelo, un poco de pelo. No quiero hacerme más implantes,",499.16,507.92,{"idx":367,"utterance_id":368,"speaker_name":69,"text":369,"start_s":370,"end_s":371,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},50,"6212","pero... Está bien.",507.98,508.66,{"idx":373,"utterance_id":374,"speaker_name":69,"text":375,"start_s":376,"end_s":377,"word_count":275,"indexable":73},51,"6213","Bueno, pero mira, tú que nos estás viendo y quieras canjear ese emblema, es gratis, solo necesitas entrar en nv99.com.br\u002Fresgatar y usar el código LULA, ¿vale?",509.4,518.86,{"idx":379,"utterance_id":380,"speaker_name":69,"text":381,"start_s":382,"end_s":383,"word_count":384,"indexable":73},52,"6214","Tienes 24 horas para hacerlo, después dejamos de emitir y solo tendrán acceso al emblema quienes lo canjearon. Así que corre para completar tu colección y para adornar tu perfil si te gusta Lula y eso, canjéalo, ¿vale? También puedes mandarnos un mensaje que leeremos aquí al final del programa. El programa... va a depender del tiempo porque Lula tiene un montón de cosas que hacer mañana, ya me dieron una idea aquí y debe estar cansado también, amigo, esta carrera por Brasil y tal. Pero, de cualquier forma, puedes mandar. Y mira, es solo dentro de una hora, en realidad, que Jean va a habilitar lo que puedas querer preguntar sobre algo que ya hablamos, ¿vale?",519.4,553.4,138,{"idx":386,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":69,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},53,"6215","Entonces, eso es.",553.58,554.32,{"idx":392,"utterance_id":393,"speaker_name":69,"text":394,"start_s":395,"end_s":396,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},54,"6216","Amigo, Lula, estaba viendo ese último debate que hubo en Band, un formato diferente y eso.",555.3,560.8599999999999,{"idx":398,"utterance_id":399,"speaker_name":69,"text":400,"start_s":401,"end_s":402,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},55,"6217","Bueno",562.74,563.1800000000001,{"idx":404,"utterance_id":405,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":406,"start_s":402,"end_s":407,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},56,"6218","el formato es",563.94,{"idx":409,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":69,"text":411,"start_s":407,"end_s":412,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},57,"6219","mejor",565.58,{"idx":414,"utterance_id":415,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":416,"start_s":412,"end_s":417,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},58,"6220","que los otros",566.2,{"idx":226,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":69,"text":420,"start_s":417,"end_s":421,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},"6221","Yo también creo. Yo también creo que solo es posible porque solo estaban tú y Bolsonaro. No había esa multitud de gente.",572.5400000000001,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":425,"start_s":421,"end_s":426,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},60,"6222","Ya tuvimos debates en todas las segundas vueltas. El debate es más",575.76,{"idx":428,"utterance_id":429,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":430,"start_s":426,"end_s":431,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},61,"6223","flexible. Yo ya tuve con Alckmin, ya tuve con Serra.",579.8000000000001,{"idx":207,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":250,"indexable":73},"6224","Es un debate mejor porque tienes una hora y media, tú y tu adversario. El problema de debatir con Bozo es que él es un mentiroso compulsivo.",580.24,588.5,{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},63,"6225","Es algo impresionante. Pensé que Maluf era mentiroso, porque yo",589.4,595.14,{"idx":444,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":446,"start_s":442,"end_s":447,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},64,"6226","hago política desde hace 50 años.",596.62,{"idx":449,"utterance_id":450,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":451,"start_s":452,"end_s":453,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},65,"6227","Todo político es mentiroso, Lula. — No, no es verdad. No es verdad. Déjame decirte una cosa.",597.5,602.08,{"idx":455,"utterance_id":456,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":457,"start_s":458,"end_s":459,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},66,"6228","es que se crea una imagen del político.",602.8,604.5999999999999,{"idx":461,"utterance_id":462,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":463,"start_s":464,"end_s":465,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},67,"6229","Que causa perjuicio a la política. ¿Sí? Tienes político serio de derecha, tienes político serio de izquierda. De hecho. Tienes político serio de centro.",605.7,613.86,{"idx":467,"utterance_id":468,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":469,"start_s":470,"end_s":471,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},68,"6230","Sabes, no necesitas mentir.",615,616.6,{"idx":473,"utterance_id":474,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":475,"start_s":476,"end_s":477,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},69,"6231","Estaba viendo un video de Boves estos días,",617.3,619.2199999999999,{"idx":479,"utterance_id":480,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":481,"start_s":482,"end_s":483,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},70,"6232","en ese video en que él está hablando de las",620.14,622.68,{"idx":485,"utterance_id":486,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":487,"start_s":483,"end_s":488,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},71,"6233","niñas venezolanas.",623.9599999999999,{"idx":490,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},72,"6234","Él dice textualmente,",624.7,625.9000000000001,{"idx":496,"utterance_id":497,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":498,"start_s":499,"end_s":500,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},73,"6235","tengo que mentir, es necesario mentir, el político tiene que mentir.",626.0400000000001,630.5200000000001,{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},74,"6236","Porque siempre es más fácil creer en una mentira.",631.5,633.6,{"idx":508,"utterance_id":509,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":510,"start_s":511,"end_s":512,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},75,"6237","Una mentira, decía mi madre, una mentira vuela, la verdad gatea.",634.7,639,{"idx":514,"utterance_id":515,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":516,"start_s":517,"end_s":518,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},76,"6238","Es cuestión de tiempo.",640,640.68,{"idx":520,"utterance_id":521,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":522,"start_s":523,"end_s":524,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},77,"6239","Pero creo que hay muchos políticos en Brasil que no mienten, que son personas serias.",641.3,645.78,{"idx":526,"utterance_id":527,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":528,"start_s":529,"end_s":530,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},78,"6240","Sabes, solo para que te hagas una idea, todos los diputados que sacaron nota 10 en la Constituyente,",646.6,652.36,{"idx":78,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},"6241","todos los diputados, al final es ligero.",653.1,654.36,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},80,"6242","El tipo sacó nota 10.",656.3,657.28,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},81,"6243","De prestar servicio a la sociedad, la nota se medía por lo que yo quería hacer por el pueblo trabajador.",658.1,664.02,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},82,"6244","Los diputados que tuvieron nota 10 no se eligieron, amigo.",664.9,668.52,{"idx":220,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":244,"indexable":73},"6245","¿Y a qué atribuyes eso? Porque significa que el pueblo no presta mucha atención al ejercicio del mandato y muchas veces la prensa desinforma, juzga a todo el mundo.",670.1,681.58,{"idx":560,"utterance_id":561,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":562,"start_s":563,"end_s":564,"word_count":127,"indexable":73},84,"6246","Es decir, cuando dice que el Congreso no trabaja, no dice quién trabaja. Mete a todo el mundo en el mismo cajón. Y eso va cometiendo equívocos, errores, y la gente termina teniendo una visión distorsionada.",682.4,695.18,{"idx":566,"utterance_id":567,"speaker_name":69,"text":568,"start_s":569,"end_s":570,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},85,"6247","El",695.9,696.0799999999999,{"idx":572,"utterance_id":573,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":574,"start_s":570,"end_s":575,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},86,"6248","Ulisses Guimarães decía: cada vez que la sociedad quiere cambiar el Congreso y dice que lo va a cambiar, éste cambia para peor.",702.48,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},87,"6249","La cantidad de gente que entró en el Congreso en los últimos cuatro años fue mucho peor, amigo.",704.3,709.5799999999999,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},88,"6250","La gente miente descaradamente, sobre todo después de internet. Eso de las fake news es una liberación total para el tipo que no sirve para otra cosa que mentir.",710.9,720.54,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},89,"6251","No tienes idea de lo que es eso. No tienes idea.",722.3,726.3199999999999,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":69,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},90,"6252","Recuerdo que hubo ese asunto de la mamadera de polla, hubo cosas tan absurdas. Esas cosas absurdas",727.6,734.16,{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":603,"start_s":599,"end_s":604,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},91,"6253","que inventan todos los días, no tienen criterio.",736.7,{"idx":606,"utterance_id":607,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":608,"start_s":609,"end_s":610,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},92,"6254","Son capaces de decir que naciste mujer y luego te convertiste en hombre.",737.9,741.5799999999999,{"idx":612,"utterance_id":613,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":614,"start_s":615,"end_s":616,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},93,"6255","Estoy capaz de decir que las vacas vuelan.",742.4,745.8199999999999,{"idx":618,"utterance_id":619,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":620,"start_s":621,"end_s":622,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},94,"6256","Son capaces de decir que el caballo tiene cuerno, que el buey no tiene.",746.6,749.9,{"idx":624,"utterance_id":625,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":626,"start_s":627,"end_s":628,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},95,"6257","Cualquier mentira no tiene tamaño ni horario.",750.7,753.32,{"idx":630,"utterance_id":631,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":632,"start_s":633,"end_s":634,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},96,"6258","Es una verdadera fábrica de mentiras la campaña de Bolsonaro.",754.6,758.0600000000001,{"idx":636,"utterance_id":637,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":638,"start_s":639,"end_s":640,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},97,"6259","Tengo una cosa, Igor, que aprendí a hacer política aún cuando estaba en el movimiento sindical.",759.6,764.5,{"idx":642,"utterance_id":643,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":644,"start_s":645,"end_s":646,"word_count":386,"indexable":73},98,"6260","Entonces, tienes un discurso más ideológico, un discurso más en defensa de las cosas en las que crees, más en defensa de la mejora de los trabajadores y tal. Defiendes un programa de gobierno: quiero ser presidente porque quiero hacer esto, quiero hacer aquello. No, hoy ya no existe eso, amigo. Hoy ya no existe.",765.1600000000001,781.76,{"idx":648,"utterance_id":649,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":650,"start_s":651,"end_s":652,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},99,"6261","Hoy es lo siguiente: es mentira tras mentira y pasas el tiempo respondiendo.",782.7,786.74,{"idx":654,"utterance_id":655,"speaker_name":69,"text":656,"start_s":657,"end_s":658,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},100,"6262","¿Cómo lidias con eso?",787.7,788.84,{"idx":660,"utterance_id":661,"speaker_name":69,"text":662,"start_s":663,"end_s":664,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},101,"6263","Estás diciendo, básicamente, que la campaña de Bolsonaro está basada en mentiras, pero también dijiste que",789.6,795.7,{"idx":666,"utterance_id":667,"speaker_name":69,"text":668,"start_s":669,"end_s":670,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},102,"6264","nadie ya presta atención al plan de gobierno y todo lo demás. ¿Cómo lidias con eso?",797.6600000000001,801.96,{"idx":672,"utterance_id":673,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":674,"start_s":675,"end_s":676,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},103,"6265","Déjame decirte, no solo...",802.1,803.3000000000001,{"idx":678,"utterance_id":679,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":680,"start_s":681,"end_s":682,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},104,"6266","La campaña se basa en la mentira y en las peores mentiras, en lo más perverso que puedas imaginar.",803.8,808.9799999999999,{"idx":684,"utterance_id":685,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":686,"start_s":687,"end_s":688,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},105,"6267","Porque su gobierno es una mentira.",810,811.84,{"idx":690,"utterance_id":691,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":692,"start_s":693,"end_s":694,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},106,"6268","Es decir, ya se ha divulgado que él miente casi ocho veces al día.",812.6,818.72,{"idx":696,"utterance_id":697,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":698,"start_s":699,"end_s":700,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},107,"6269","¿El tipo se levanta a la 1 de la mañana para contar mentiras?",819.9,822.52,{"idx":702,"utterance_id":703,"speaker_name":69,"text":704,"start_s":705,"end_s":706,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},108,"6270","En internet, se levantó",823.8,825.9799999999999,{"idx":267,"utterance_id":708,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":709,"start_s":706,"end_s":710,"word_count":299,"indexable":73},"6271","a la una de la mañana para intentar corregir la locura que hizo de ir a la casa de las chicas que prestan servicio, que trabajan, pensando que ellas estaban haciendo algo malo. Fue allí con segundas intenciones.",842.4,{"idx":213,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},"6272","Y luego se dio cuenta de la tontería que hizo, entonces decidió despertarse a la una de la mañana desesperado y decir que el PT es el culpable, que el PT no sé las cuántas, él...",843.6,853.5,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":69,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":414,"indexable":73},111,"6273","Es difícil realmente defender aquello que pasó y tal, pero ¿no crees también que es un... Por el amor de Dios, quienes me conocen saben que no soy bolsonarista, también saben que no soy petista, y estoy intentando tener una conversación franca contigo. Quiero salir de aquí intentando ganar tu voto. 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Porque esa corbata es un símbolo para mí.",1449.24,1452.1399999999999,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},238,"6400","Esa corbata la recibí cuando Brasil ganó las Olimpiadas",1453.4,1457.48,{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":69,"text":1445,"start_s":1441,"end_s":1446,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},239,"6401","en",1458,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1450,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1451,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},240,"6402","Copenhague.",1460.16,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},241,"6403","Puedes ver que allí en Copenhague yo llevaba esa corbata, Pelé llevaba esa corbata.",1461.1,1465.34,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":69,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},242,"6404","Entiendo.",1465.3799999999999,1465.56,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},243,"6405","Sabes, fue una corbata que el Comité Olímpico nos dio. 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Y percibo, amigo, una dificultad para traer a gente que...",1514.9,1525.88,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":69,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":275,"indexable":73},258,"6420","declaradamente de izquierda, a conversar. No sé si la gente se siente incómoda, o imagina que soy el diablo, o un gran cientista político, cualquier cosa en ese sentido que no soy.",1526.6,1537.4599999999998,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":69,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},259,"6421","Pero la verdad es que siento cierta resistencia, así, mayoritaria, casi exclusivamente de izquierda. Consigo concretar entrevistas con unos tipos, así, centro-derecha con mucha facilidad, pero con la izquierda tengo más dificultad.",1538.6599999999999,1549.6399999999999,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":69,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},260,"6422","¿Por qué crees que...",1550.1599999999999,1551.28,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":919,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1569,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},261,"6423",{"idx":1574,"utterance_id":1575,"speaker_name":69,"text":1576,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1577,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},262,"6424","voy a",1551.34,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1581,"start_s":1577,"end_s":1582,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},263,"6425","incluso a presentar una lista de tipos de izquierda.",1553.48,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":69,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},264,"6426","Vale, haz eso, porque lo que... Déjame contarte, Igor. Yo, por ejemplo...",1553.54,1557.98,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},265,"6427","No tengo ninguna preocupación en hacer una entrevista en vivo con quien sea.",1558.7,1563.22,{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},266,"6428","Ahora, lo que me preocupa...",1565.3,1567.04,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1010,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1604,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},267,"6429",1568.5,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1608,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1609,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},268,"6430","darle una entrevista por escrito a un tipo que sé que me odia. Porque no sé qué va a escribir. Yo también",1573.94,{"idx":1611,"utterance_id":1612,"speaker_name":69,"text":1613,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1614,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},269,"6431","tengo esa preocupación. O si tú",1575.1,{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1618,"start_s":1614,"end_s":1619,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},270,"6432","grabas en un canal de televisión, no sabes lo que va a editar.",1578.3,{"idx":1621,"utterance_id":1622,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1623,"start_s":1624,"end_s":1625,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},271,"6433","Pero en vivo...",1578.56,1579.5,{"idx":1627,"utterance_id":1628,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1629,"start_s":1630,"end_s":1631,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},272,"6434","No tengo ninguna preocupación.",1580.5,1581.78,{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},273,"6435","Además, para mí, no hay pregunta difícil, no hay pregunta sin respuesta.",1582.5,1586.36,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},274,"6436","O la sabes o no la sabes.",1587.4,1588.74,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},275,"6437","Y hay mucha gente buena de izquierda.",1588.8600000000001,1591.14,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},276,"6438","Gente muy buena. Y no tiene que ser de izquierda, no.",1592.2,1594.1200000000001,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},277,"6439","Porque no es sólo la izquierda la que tiene la verdad dentro de sí.",1594.54,1597.24,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":233,"indexable":73},278,"6440","Es importante que sepamos que hay mucha gente seria que no es de izquierda. Mucha gente buena, mucha gente comprometida, mucha gente que piensa en Brasil.",1598.1,1605.98,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},279,"6441","Sí, Bia.",1607,1607.38,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},280,"6442","Creo que es esa gente la que necesita hablar más, que necesita discutir más, que necesita presentarse más.",1608,1613.04,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},281,"6443","Porque ¿sabes lo que pasa?",1613.9,1614.7800000000002,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":69,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},282,"6444","Cuando dices, yo no soy político, ¿ya dijiste eso? Yo ya dije que no me gustan los políticos. Ah, entonces déjame contarte.",1614.98,1621.1000000000001,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":69,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},283,"6445","Junio de 1978,",1622.6,1624.52,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},284,"6446","yo ni siquiera era así todavía, y decía, no me gusta la política ni me gusta quien le gusta la política. De",1625.1799999999998,1632.9599999999998,{"idx":1705,"utterance_id":1706,"speaker_name":69,"text":1707,"start_s":1703,"end_s":1708,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},285,"6447","la política me gusta, no me gustan los políticos. Yo",1634.9599999999998,{"idx":1710,"utterance_id":1711,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1712,"start_s":1708,"end_s":1713,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},286,"6448","pensaba que era lo máximo, la",1636.76,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1717,"start_s":1713,"end_s":1718,"word_count":256,"indexable":73},287,"6449","prensa me trataba como al rey, el diario Estado de São Paulo, el diario Jornal do Brasil, 'Lula, el puro, el sindicalista que no le gusta la política, él no quiere el poder'.",1645.4399999999998,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":69,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},288,"6450","Dos años",1646.1,1646.6399999999999,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1728,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1729,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},289,"6451","después yo estaba creando un partido político.",1648.1399999999999,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},290,"6452","Porque el problema es lo siguiente, Igor, si tú no haces política, alguien la hace por ti.",1649.4,1652.96,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},291,"6453","Siempre es importante que pienses",1654.4,1655.76,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1743,"speaker_name":69,"text":1744,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1741,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},"6454","en eso. Pero",{"idx":1746,"utterance_id":1747,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1748,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1749,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},293,"6455","yo hago",1655.8400000000001,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":69,"text":1753,"start_s":1749,"end_s":1754,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},294,"6456","política. 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No, yo pido a las personas que hagan diferente que yo y vayan a votar. El",1702.6399999999999,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1801,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1802,"start_s":1799,"end_s":1803,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},"6465","TSE (Tribunal Superior Electoral),",1703.02,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":69,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},304,"6466","déjame contarte,",1703.22,1703.84,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},305,"6467","tomó una decisión ahora de que las alcaldías pueden poner transporte gratuito para la gente.",1704.1399999999999,1710.1,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":392,"indexable":73},306,"6468","Porque es muy importante, el transporte está aquí y una persona que vive aquí en la Zona Este, si tiene que votar en otro lugar, no tiene dinero. Entonces, ¿qué cuesta dar un día de transporte para que la persona viaje para ir a votar? Y si no vas a votar, Igor, vota, amigo.",1711.3,1726.48,{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},307,"6469","Levántate por la mañana, pero déjame decirte, levántate por la mañana y di: voy a cumplir con mi deber cívico.",1727.1,1732.1,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":69,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},308,"6470","Pero es que no creo en ustedes, amigo. Yo voy a",1732.1599999999999,1733.4399999999998,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1837,"start_s":1833,"end_s":1838,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},309,"6471","asumir, tienes que creer, ¿sabes por qué?",1736.1999999999998,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},310,"6472","O crees o te conviertes en político.",1736.54,1738.56,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},311,"6473","Y cuando no crees en nadie, tienes que saber lo siguiente, ¿qué político bueno quieres?",1740.2,1744.72,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},312,"6474","Tal vez seas tú.",1745.6,1746.2199999999998,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},313,"6475","Quizá solo tú puedas realizar aquello que quieres que los demás realicen.",1747.6,1751.28,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},314,"6476","Entonces, amigo, deja de hablar mal de los políticos y entra en la política.",1752.4,1755.42,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},315,"6477","Ahí vas a darte cuenta de lo difícil que es. Vas a ver lo mucho más fácil que es hablar por el micrófono que hacer las cosas.",1756.6,1764,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":69,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":43,"indexable":73},316,"6478","Esa es mi forma de hacer política, en realidad. Traigo a los tipos aquí y los presento para que la gente escuche las ideas que se producen aquí. Yo",1764.36,1771.84,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1884,"start_s":1880,"end_s":1885,"word_count":275,"indexable":73},317,"6479","jamás voy a conversar con una persona queriendo que sea de mi partido o queriendo que vote por mí. Lo que quiero es lo siguiente: la persona tiene que presentarse a votar.",1780.1399999999999,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},318,"6480","Fábio, para dar ejemplo a la gente, yo cuando veo a una persona de 80 años votar, él no está obligado a votar.",1781.3,1787.46,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},319,"6481","Pero cuando él va a votar es algo muy, pero muy, muy, muy genial.",1788.1,1791.3,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},320,"6482","La madre de Lewandowski, del ministro Lewandowski, tenía 90 años.",1792.4,1795.38,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},321,"6483","Ella se lamentaba de que su andador iba a votar.",1796.3,1798.74,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":69,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},322,"6484","¿Sabes por qué?",1799.7,1801.14,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},323,"6485","Porque cree en la democracia, cree en el voto, cree que puede mejorar.",1801.2,1805.0800000000002,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},324,"6486","Tienes que tener esperanza, amigo, creer en algo bueno.",1806,1808.72,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},325,"6487","No es posible que de esa cantidad de candidatos que hay en Brasil no haya nadie que merezca tu confianza.",1809.18,1814.92,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":69,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},326,"6488","Tiene que haber, tiene que haber, tiene que haber, tiene que haber. Si miras con cuidado... Mira, no seas",1815.16,1819.68,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1943,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1944,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},327,"6489","el Lula de 78.",1820.78,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":69,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},328,"6490","No niegues",1822.5,1822.98,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1954,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1950,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},329,"6491","la",{"idx":1956,"utterance_id":1957,"speaker_name":69,"text":1958,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1959,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},330,"6492","política. Hablando del Lula de 78, cuando estás ahí involucrado en la creación del PT y tal...",1829.32,{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":69,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":630,"indexable":73},331,"6493","Amigo, tengo una percepción sobre la que quería que me comentaras, que es, ya sabes, siento que el PT, en general, se fue volviendo un poco soberbio. Creo que las filas del PT se fueron juntando y el PT fue abrazando a una galera de intelectuales, y pensadores, y grandes artistas, y no sé qué, y tal vez el PT haya perdido la conexión con el trabajador, de hecho. Además, el PT llegó muy lejos: tres mandatos y medio de la presidencia de la República, es bastante, es llegar muy lejos.",1830,1867.86,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":69,"text":1969,"start_s":1970,"end_s":1971,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},332,"6494","¿Consideras que el PT se volvió un poco soberbio, que el PT se distanció un poco del trabajador? Déjame",1868.22,1874.88,{"idx":1973,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1975,"start_s":1971,"end_s":1976,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},333,"6495","contarte una cosa primero.",1875.82,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},334,"6496","Ese Lula político del que te hablé de 78...",1876.8,1879.5,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},335,"6497","En el 78, el presidente de la República tenía como ministro a un",1880.2,1885.48,{"idx":1990,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1992,"start_s":1988,"end_s":1993,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},336,"6498","gaúcho.",1886.04,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},337,"6499","Ah...",1887.3,1887.78,{"idx":241,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},"6500","que hizo una ley prohibiendo a determinadas categorías hacer huelga. Bancario, profesor, frentista por el impuesto de la gasolina no podía hacer huelga.",1888.9,1896.92,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},339,"6501","Entonces decidí ir a Brasilia.",1897.9,1899.44,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},340,"6502","Hablar con el diputado porque era un absurdo.",1900,1902.12,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},341,"6503","Si quieres que una categoría sea considerada esencial y no pueda hacer huelga, tienes que darle un salario esencial, ¿no es así?",1902.4,1910.5,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},342,"6504","Fui allá, cuando llegué, descubrí que no había trabajadores en el Congreso Nacional.",1911.4,1915.88,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":69,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},343,"6505","Entonces yo",1917.4,1918.2,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2038,"start_s":2034,"end_s":2039,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},344,"6506","salí de allí con la idea de que era necesario un partido político.",1920.3600000000001,{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},345,"6507","Fue de ahí que creamos el Partido Político, que el PT ya nació grande.",1922.1,1924.8999999999999,{"idx":2047,"utterance_id":2048,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2049,"start_s":2050,"end_s":2051,"word_count":343,"indexable":73},346,"6508","porque el PT juntó lo mejor del movimiento sindical brasileño, lo mejor del movimiento social, movimiento de salud, movimiento de caristia. El PT logró reunir grandes intelectuales como Florestan Fernando, Paulo Freire, apenas por citar dos, Sérgio Buarque, ya sabes, reunir...",1925.9,1943.92,{"idx":2053,"utterance_id":2054,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2055,"start_s":2056,"end_s":2057,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},347,"6509","intelectuales importantes. El PT consiguió atraer a parte de la juventud que se había ido a la lucha armada en los años 70.",1945.1,1951.6999999999998,{"idx":2059,"utterance_id":2060,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2061,"start_s":2062,"end_s":2063,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},348,"6510","Y toda esa gente vino al PT. Pero los que mandaban en el PT eran los sindicalistas.",1952.7,1955.92,{"idx":2065,"utterance_id":2066,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2067,"start_s":2068,"end_s":2069,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},349,"6511","Sucede que el PT creció mucho.",1956.7,1958.28,{"idx":2071,"utterance_id":2072,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2073,"start_s":2074,"end_s":2075,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},350,"6512","Igor, en el 89, cuando fui lanzado candidato a presidente, pensé que era una broma de mis amigos.",1959,1965.64,{"idx":2077,"utterance_id":2078,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2079,"start_s":2080,"end_s":2081,"word_count":310,"indexable":73},351,"6513","Decía, pues, ¿cómo voy a ser candidato a presidente con Brizola disputando, con Lice Guimarães disputando, con Maluf disputando, con la FIF disputando, con Mairo Cova disputando, con el vicepresidente de la República disputando?",1966.7,1980.78,{"idx":2083,"utterance_id":2084,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2085,"start_s":2086,"end_s":2087,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},352,"6514","Me quedé pensando, esta gente está loca por nominarme candidato a la presidencia de la república.",1981.8,1985.6399999999999,{"idx":2089,"utterance_id":2090,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2091,"start_s":2092,"end_s":2093,"word_count":291,"indexable":73},353,"6515","¿Lo crees? Quedé en segundo lugar. Entonces el PT fue segundo en el 89, segundo en el 94, segundo en el 98, primero en 2002, primero en 2006, primero en 2010, primero en 2014 y segundo en 2018.",1986.5,2000.06,{"idx":2095,"utterance_id":2096,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2097,"start_s":2098,"end_s":2099,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},354,"6516","Y ahora estamos primero otra vez.",2000.68,2002.48,{"idx":2101,"utterance_id":2102,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2103,"start_s":2104,"end_s":2105,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},355,"6517","Entonces, el PT es muy grande. Siempre muy",2003.5,2005.78,{"idx":2107,"utterance_id":2108,"speaker_name":69,"text":2109,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2110,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},356,"6518","grande. El",2006.52,{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2114,"start_s":2110,"end_s":2115,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},357,"6519","PT es muy grande.",2007.48,{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},358,"6520","Y el PT no es nuestra dirección nacional. El PT, en verdad, tiene gente muy, muy, muy importante repartida por todo este Brasil.",2008.4,2017.3600000000001,{"idx":2123,"utterance_id":2124,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2125,"start_s":2126,"end_s":2127,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},359,"6521","Sabes, gente del campo, gente pescadora, parte de la sociedad está vinculada al PT.",2018.1,2023.8,{"idx":2129,"utterance_id":2130,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2131,"start_s":2132,"end_s":2133,"word_count":127,"indexable":73},360,"6522","Había tipos que cogían una canoa, remaban tres días para ir a un acto del PT en el estado del Amazonas. Tres días remando, comiendo pollo asado con harina de yuca y bebiendo agua del propio río.",2024.6,2036.54,{"idx":2135,"utterance_id":2136,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2137,"start_s":2138,"end_s":2139,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},361,"6523","Así que es un partido poderoso.",2037.1,2038.62,{"idx":2141,"utterance_id":2142,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2143,"start_s":2144,"end_s":2145,"word_count":392,"indexable":73},362,"6524","Obviamente que cuando creces, entra gente nueva, la familia va creciendo, la familia va creciendo. Cuando estabas solo en tu casa, comías el mejor bistec, tu madre te daba más mimos, más cariño. Pero cuando llegaron los hermanos, entonces el hermano empieza a empujarse con el codo al otro.",2039.5,2053.66,{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},363,"6525","Entonces el PT fue creciendo, quedó más confuso.",2054.4,2057.44,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},364,"6526","Pero mira.",2058.6,2059.12,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":316,"indexable":73},365,"6527","Si haces una encuesta de opinión pública y preguntas cuál es el partido de tu preferencia, va a aparecer así: PT, 20% o 22%, segundo lugar, 1% o 0%, porque no existen otros partidos. Ahora está surgiendo el PSOL.",2059.7,2075.3799999999997,{"idx":2165,"utterance_id":2166,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2167,"start_s":2168,"end_s":2169,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},366,"6528","Pero el partido que aparece en las encuestas es el PT.",2076.3,2078.32,{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},367,"6529","Porque el PT tiene historia y tiene mucho vínculo con la lucha social en este país.",2079.3,2083.2400000000002,{"idx":2177,"utterance_id":2178,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2179,"start_s":2180,"end_s":2181,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},368,"6530","Por eso hay tanto odio contra el PT.",2083.76,2085.86,{"idx":2183,"utterance_id":2184,"speaker_name":69,"text":2185,"start_s":2186,"end_s":2187,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},369,"6531","Porque el PT es muy grande, amigo. Yo",2087.5,2089.18,{"idx":2189,"utterance_id":2190,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2191,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2187,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},370,"6532","no",{"idx":2193,"utterance_id":2194,"speaker_name":69,"text":2195,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2196,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},371,"6533","sé si es por eso, porque creo que el PT, en general, acaba... Bueno, ganas la primera vez, luego ganas la segunda vez y consigues impulsar a Dilma también, ¿no?",2102.82,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":69,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":250,"indexable":73},372,"6534","Entonces, amigo, no sé, creo que parece que el PT de alguna manera... Joder, soy del PT, soy la hostia, ¿entiendes? Voy a entrar... Ahora yo, no sé, yo soy...",2103.3,2113.54,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":69,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":299,"indexable":73},373,"6535","Fue una cosa que creo que tiene que ver, tal vez, con lo que Brown dijo en aquel mitin. Pues, hay que volver a la base, hay que hablar con los tipos que están aquí en Capão Redondo",2114.9,2127.28,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2212,"start_s":2208,"end_s":2213,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},374,"6536","y el carajo. Obviamente eso pasó. El partido creció y el partido se alejó de su base originaria, también porque la base obrera que creó el PT ya no existe como existía en los años 80.",2139.82,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},375,"6537","Yo, cuando era presidente del sindicato de São Bernardo, en los años 80, la Foca e Zaca tenía 44 mil trabajadores.",2141.2,2147.2999999999997,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},376,"6538","Hoy tiene 7 mil.",2147.4399999999996,2148.56,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},377,"6539","Así que también el mundo del trabajo ya no es el mismo.",2150.2,2152.62,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},378,"6540","Entonces cambió.",2153.1,2153.8999999999996,{"idx":2239,"utterance_id":2240,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2241,"start_s":2242,"end_s":2243,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},379,"6541","Cambió la base del PT.",2154.7,2156.2799999999997,{"idx":2245,"utterance_id":2246,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2247,"start_s":2248,"end_s":2249,"word_count":250,"indexable":73},380,"6542","Y el PT sabe que yo hago muchas críticas, dejé de ser diputado en el 90, porque hay mucha gente que pensaba que solo tenía influencia en el PT quien era diputado.",2157.2,2166.64,{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},381,"6543","Solo tenía importancia en el PT el que era diputado. Decidí dejar de ser diputado",2167.3,2171.0800000000004,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2259,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2260,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},382,"6544","para probarlo.",2172.1200000000003,{"idx":2262,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},383,"6545","que iba a seguir teniendo importancia en el PT, aun sin ser diputado, trabajando,",2172.8,2176.6200000000003,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":69,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},384,"6546","viajando",2176.7400000000002,2177.6600000000003,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2276,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2277,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},385,"6547","por Brasil.",2178.02,{"idx":2279,"utterance_id":2280,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2281,"start_s":2282,"end_s":2283,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},386,"6548","El tipo, cuando murió Chico Mendes...",2179.1,2180.96,{"idx":2285,"utterance_id":2286,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2287,"start_s":2288,"end_s":2289,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},387,"6549","Yo estaba en Cabo Verde.",2181.6,2183.3199999999997,{"idx":2291,"utterance_id":2292,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2293,"start_s":2294,"end_s":2295,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},388,"6550","Cuando recibí la noticia de que había muerto Chico Medo en Chapuri, lejísimos.",2185.1,2190.3399999999997,{"idx":2297,"utterance_id":2298,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2299,"start_s":2300,"end_s":2301,"word_count":127,"indexable":73},389,"6551","Bajas en Rio Branco y tienes que tomar otros 300 kilómetros de carretera lloviendo un montón. El PT no tenía dinero, le dije a la tesorera del PT: alquila el avión y lo pagamos en 30 días.",2191.6,2201.58,{"idx":2303,"utterance_id":2304,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2305,"start_s":2306,"end_s":2307,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},390,"6552","¡Beb!",2202.7,2202.96,{"idx":2309,"utterance_id":2310,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2311,"start_s":2312,"end_s":2313,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},391,"6553","Y entonces me puse a buscar dinero.",2203.6,2204.7,{"idx":2315,"utterance_id":2316,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2317,"start_s":2318,"end_s":2319,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},392,"6554","Tomamos un avión, fuimos para allá.",2205.14,2206.54,{"idx":2321,"utterance_id":2322,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2323,"start_s":2324,"end_s":2325,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},393,"6555","para estar una hora en el entierro,",2207.5,2209.2,{"idx":2327,"utterance_id":2328,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2329,"start_s":2330,"end_s":2331,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},394,"6556","y nos quedamos en el entierro, hice un discursito para Chico Mendes, volví, ¿quién hace eso?",2209.22,2213.4,{"idx":2333,"utterance_id":2334,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2335,"start_s":2336,"end_s":2337,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},395,"6557","Nadie hace eso, amigo, solo quien tiene mucho vínculo, solo quien tiene mucha relación.",2214.7,2218.96,{"idx":2339,"utterance_id":2340,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2341,"start_s":2342,"end_s":2343,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},396,"6558","Y el PT construyó eso.",2220.5,2222.3,{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},397,"6559","Obviamente que cuando miras al PT, hay gente más sofisticada, hay gente que ya no es operaria, hay gente que ya no es de la base.",2222.9,2229.04,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},398,"6560","Y yo estuve de acuerdo con el discurso de Mano Brown.",2229.48,2232.06,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},399,"6561","Creo que el PT no puede abandonar la periferia.",2232.9,2235.2200000000003,{"idx":2363,"utterance_id":2364,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2365,"start_s":2366,"end_s":2367,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},400,"6562","El PT no puede, los diputados del PT necesitan frecuentar, necesitan visitar, necesitan estar al lado, necesitan apoyar.",2236.4,2241.7200000000003,{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},401,"6563","Porque si no no hay razón para que existamos. Para ser igual que los demás no hace falta que existamos.",2242.36,2248.26,{"idx":2375,"utterance_id":2376,"speaker_name":69,"text":2377,"start_s":2378,"end_s":2379,"word_count":256,"indexable":73},402,"6564","Estoy de acuerdo, creo que ese era el punto, en realidad, que él estaba intentando plantear. No sé, no soy monobral, pero me imagino que haya sido algo en ese sentido.",2249.1,2256.04,{"idx":2381,"utterance_id":2382,"speaker_name":69,"text":2383,"start_s":2384,"end_s":2385,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},403,"6565","Y, amigo, es...",2256.7799999999997,2257.86,{"idx":2387,"utterance_id":2388,"speaker_name":69,"text":2389,"start_s":2390,"end_s":2391,"word_count":337,"indexable":73},404,"6566","Estábamos hablando antes sobre la rabia que la gente siente hacia el PT y tal, y empezamos a hablar sobre eso. Y, pues, es que también observamos, especialmente en las elecciones de 2018, un sentimiento muy acentuado antipetista y tal.",2259.2,2273.8599999999997,{"idx":2393,"utterance_id":2394,"speaker_name":69,"text":2395,"start_s":2396,"end_s":2397,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},405,"6567","Que, pues...",2274.8,2275.52,{"idx":2399,"utterance_id":2400,"speaker_name":69,"text":2401,"start_s":2402,"end_s":2403,"word_count":361,"indexable":73},406,"6568","que, quieras o no, ocurrieron por culpa de todos los escándalos de corrupción y todo eso, y manchan ahí, además había mucha gente, recuerdo a los cientistas políticos y periodistas diciendo en la época así, pues, el PT no admite, pues, el PT no hace la media culpa.",2276.1,2291.08,{"idx":2405,"utterance_id":2406,"speaker_name":69,"text":2407,"start_s":2408,"end_s":2409,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},407,"6569","Joder, el PT no está...",2291.6,2292.7999999999997,{"idx":2411,"utterance_id":2412,"speaker_name":69,"text":2413,"start_s":2414,"end_s":2415,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},408,"6570","Amigo, entró en una vibra de, joder, soy del PT y ya está. Es",2293.3399999999997,2297.08,{"idx":2417,"utterance_id":2418,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2419,"start_s":2415,"end_s":2420,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},409,"6571","fantásticamente gracioso que la gente pidiendo al PT que haga autocrítica.",2302.44,{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":69,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},410,"6572","Autocrítica.",2302.8199999999997,2303.3199999999997,{"idx":2428,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},411,"6573","Mira, si hago autocrítica todos los días, no necesito oposición.",2303.4,2307.24,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},412,"6574","La oposición es la que tiene que criticarme. ¿Por qué tengo que criticarme yo mismo?",2308.7,2311.74,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},413,"6575","El problema es el siguiente,",2314.2,2315.06,{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2448,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},414,"6576","Igor, presta atención a una cosa.",2315.2599999999998,2316.9199999999996,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},415,"6577","¿Tú crees que la élite brasileña lo aceptó sin más?",2319.1,2321.94,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},416,"6578","Que el PT hiciera una ley que registrara a la trabajadora doméstica en el registro laboral, jornada de trabajo, derecho a vacaciones, descanso semanal.",2322.8,2330.5600000000004,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},417,"6579","Incluso ya que la derecha aceptó pacíficamente eso, una sociedad que es esclavista.",2331.3,2336.28,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},418,"6580","¿Tú crees que ellos aceptaron con mucha tranquilidad que hiciéramos que la gente pobre de la periferia llegara a ir a la universidad?",2337.7,2346,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},419,"6581","Que el hijo de una empleada doméstica llegara a ser médico, llegara a ser ingeniero, llegara a ser diplomático, llegara a ser abogado.",2347.4,2352.28,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2484,"start_s":2485,"end_s":2486,"word_count":233,"indexable":73},420,"6582","Cuando creamos ProUni, FIES, permitimos —salimos de 3 millones y medio de estudiantes universitarios a 8 millones y medio, amigo.",2353.4,2362.06,{"idx":2488,"utterance_id":2489,"speaker_name":69,"text":2490,"start_s":2491,"end_s":2492,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},421,"6583","¿Y tenemos mercado para eso, gente? Es",2362.8,2364.7000000000003,{"idx":2494,"utterance_id":2495,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2496,"start_s":2492,"end_s":2497,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},422,"6584","lógico que va a haber mercado.",2365.78,{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":473,"indexable":73},423,"6585","Este es un proceso. A medida que vamos formando mano de obra más calificada, esa gente va trabajando, mejora la capacidad de producción en Brasil, lo que producimos se vuelve más importante, ganamos nuevos mercados y nos volvemos competitivos. Y, además, empezamos a exportar inteligencia, conocimiento. 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Te voy a dar un dato.",2406.3,2411.6200000000003,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},431,"6593","El Perú fue",2413.6,2414.68,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2550,"start_s":2546,"end_s":2551,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},432,"6594","descubierto en 1492.",2416.36,{"idx":2553,"utterance_id":2554,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2555,"start_s":2556,"end_s":2557,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},433,"6595","cuando Colón llegó aquí, en",2417.8,2419.92,{"idx":2559,"utterance_id":2560,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2561,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2562,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},434,"6596","1554,",2421.0600000000004,{"idx":2564,"utterance_id":2565,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2566,"start_s":2567,"end_s":2568,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},435,"6597","El Perú ya tenía su primera universidad.",2422.7,2424.68,{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},436,"6598","Brasil fue descubierto ocho años después.",2426,2427.74,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},437,"6599","La primera universidad brasileña fue en 1920, es decir, nos tardamos 420 años para hacer la primera universidad.",2428.7,2436.24,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},438,"6600","¿Por qué? 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Mira el",2483.9,2486.34,{"idx":2640,"utterance_id":2641,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2642,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2643,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},448,"6610","retraso al que estamos sometidos. Brasil fue el último país del mundo en independizarse, el último en abolir la esclavitud, el último en dar el voto a la mujer.",2494.76,{"idx":2645,"utterance_id":2646,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2647,"start_s":2648,"end_s":2649,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},449,"6611","¿Te das cuenta de que hay una...",2497.1,2499.38,{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},450,"6612","Hay una... Yo",2499.9,2500.82,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2659,"start_s":2655,"end_s":2660,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},451,"6613","tengo un amigo que es periodista y tiene una finca en Porangaba. Porangaba está yendo para...",2505.46,{"idx":2662,"utterance_id":2663,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2664,"start_s":2665,"end_s":2666,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},452,"6614","¡Pá!",2506.1,2506.36,{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2670,"start_s":2671,"end_s":2672,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},453,"6615","Hacia Sorocaba.",2507.3,2508.28,{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},454,"6616","Cuando ese tipo resolvió dar décimo tercer sueldo a su empleado, el resto de los campesinos se rebelaron.",2509.6,2517.64,{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},455,"6617","Amigo, ¿cómo vas a dar un tercero, vas a dar vacaciones? Sabes, todo el mundo va a querer.",2518.5,2523.08,{"idx":2686,"utterance_id":2687,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2688,"start_s":2689,"end_s":2690,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},456,"6618","Se hizo enemigo por eso.",2524.3,2525.92,{"idx":2692,"utterance_id":2693,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2694,"start_s":2695,"end_s":2696,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},457,"6619","Ahora imagínate...",2527.4,2528.7200000000003,{"idx":2698,"utterance_id":2699,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2700,"start_s":2701,"end_s":2702,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},458,"6620","Poner a los pobres...",2529.3,2530.88,{"idx":2704,"utterance_id":2705,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2706,"start_s":2707,"end_s":2708,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},459,"6621","Ir al aeropuerto de Congonhas.",2531.4,2533.06,{"idx":2710,"utterance_id":2711,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2712,"start_s":2713,"end_s":2714,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},460,"6622","Viajar en avión.",2533.9,2534.7000000000003,{"idx":2716,"utterance_id":2717,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2718,"start_s":2719,"end_s":2720,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},461,"6623","El Galeão, el Guarulhos.",2535.4,2538.1800000000003,{"idx":2722,"utterance_id":2723,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2724,"start_s":2725,"end_s":2726,"word_count":233,"indexable":73},462,"6624","¿Qué decía la clase alta media? Hombre, estos tipos, el aeropuerto se está volviendo una estación de autobuses. Está lleno de pobres que ni siquiera sabían cómo sentarse en el avión.",2539.6,2549.06,{"idx":2728,"utterance_id":2729,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2730,"start_s":2731,"end_s":2732,"word_count":355,"indexable":73},463,"6625","Lo que hicimos fue lo siguiente: hicimos la mayor política de inclusión social que este país conoció desde que fue descubierto. Y en la práctica, ¿por qué podían tomar el avión? ¿Qué cambió? Empezaron a ganar más, el salario mínimo aumentaba todos los años.",2550.3,2565.8,{"idx":2734,"utterance_id":2735,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2736,"start_s":2737,"end_s":2738,"word_count":281,"indexable":73},464,"6626","El pequeño agricultor empezó a ganar más porque dábamos más dinero. Cuando llegué a la presidencia, el Pronaf era de 5 mil millones, sólo liberaba 2 mil millones. Cuando dejamos el gobierno, era de 30 mil millones.",2567.1,2576.86,{"idx":2740,"utterance_id":2741,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2742,"start_s":2743,"end_s":2744,"word_count":273,"indexable":73},465,"6627","Entonces creamos el programa PAA para comprar alimento, compramos el PNAE para comprar alimento y dárselo a los más pobres en las escuelas. Es decir, hicimos un programa de inclusión social, creamos el Pronaf Mujer.",2578.2,2589.8399999999997,{"idx":2746,"utterance_id":2747,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2748,"start_s":2749,"end_s":2750,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},466,"6628","La mujer recibía el dinero, el Minha Casa Minha Vida, la escritura se daba a nombre de la mujer.",2590.7,2595.68,{"idx":2752,"utterance_id":2753,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2754,"start_s":2755,"end_s":2756,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},467,"6629","Ah, el bolsillo de la familia, la tarjeta estaba a nombre de la mujer.",2597.1,2600.9,{"idx":324,"utterance_id":2758,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2759,"start_s":2760,"end_s":2761,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},"6630","Porque invertimos un poco la lógica de pensar que los pobres no pueden subir un peldaño en la ascensión social.",2602.2,2608.2999999999997,{"idx":2763,"utterance_id":2764,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2765,"start_s":2766,"end_s":2767,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},469,"6631","Hay que que la gente lo comprenda: sacamos 36 millones de personas de la miseria absoluta, acabamos con el hambre en este país que ahora votó con mucha fuerza y conseguimos poner a 42 millones de personas en un nivel de clase media baja.",2610.1,2626.74,{"idx":2769,"utterance_id":2770,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2771,"start_s":2772,"end_s":2773,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},470,"6632","Lo que más me enorgullecía cuando llegaba al Nordeste, la gente decía: Lula, apoyé mi burro y compré una motocicleta.",2627.4,2634.82,{"idx":2775,"utterance_id":2776,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2777,"start_s":2778,"end_s":2779,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},471,"6633","El gobernador de Ceará me contó que encontró 8 mil burros abandonados.",2635.9,2641.42,{"idx":2781,"utterance_id":2782,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2783,"start_s":2784,"end_s":2785,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},472,"6634","Tuvo que crear un lugar para guardar los burros, porque la gente evolucionó.",2642.38,2646.54,{"idx":2787,"utterance_id":2788,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2789,"start_s":2790,"end_s":2791,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},473,"6635","Oye, Igor, nadie quiere ser pobre, amigo.",2648,2649.74,{"idx":2793,"utterance_id":2794,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2795,"start_s":2796,"end_s":2797,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},474,"6636","Nadie quiere ser pobre, nadie quiere comer mal, nadie quiere vestirse mal. Todo el mundo quiere tener cosas.",2650.4,2656.62,{"idx":2799,"utterance_id":2800,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2801,"start_s":2802,"end_s":2803,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},475,"6637","¿Por qué el tipo es pobre? Porque no tiene una oportunidad.",2657.6,2659.9,{"idx":334,"utterance_id":2805,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2806,"start_s":2807,"end_s":2808,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},"6638","¿Y cómo vamos a hacerlo ahora?",2661.3,2662.7200000000003,{"idx":2810,"utterance_id":2811,"speaker_name":69,"text":2812,"start_s":2813,"end_s":2814,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},477,"6639","Porque mira, en 2000 y... 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Así que, vas a comentar.",2668.8,2675.2400000000002,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":69,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},480,"6642","Pero, amigo, ahora estamos en un momento completamente distinto.",2676.34,2680.2200000000003,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":69,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":299,"indexable":73},481,"6643","Y tú estás diciendo, por lo que has dicho, por las cosas que has hablado y tal, que se puede volver a un nivel parecido al que estábamos entonces, que fue posible de 2002 a 2010.",2681.3,2694,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":69,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},482,"6644","¿Cuál va a ser el motor ahora, esta vez? ¿Qué va a hacer que nosotros...",2694.82,2699.0800000000004,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":69,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},483,"6645","conseguimos esa tal picanha, esa tal cerveza? 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Se necesita plata para eso. 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Quédate al frente, amigo.",2819.7,2832.8999999999996,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},508,"6670","Vence. Estás teniendo oportunidad. Vete.",2833.3199999999997,2836.2,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},509,"6671","Eso es lo que voy a hacer. Cómo",2837.2,2838.18,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":69,"text":1010,"start_s":3002,"end_s":3006,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},510,"6672",2838.3199999999997,{"idx":3008,"utterance_id":3009,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3010,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3006,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},511,"6673","que",{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":69,"text":3014,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3015,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},512,"6674","¿Vas a hacerlo? Tiene que salir dinero de algún lugar, amigo.",2840.7799999999997,{"idx":3017,"utterance_id":3018,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3019,"start_s":3020,"end_s":3021,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},513,"6675","No, los bancos públicos existen para eso.",2840.96,2843.7999999999997,{"idx":3023,"utterance_id":3024,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3025,"start_s":3026,"end_s":3027,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},514,"6676","El BNDES existe para eso, la Caixa Econômica existe para eso, el Banco do Brasil existe para eso, el BNB existe para eso, el BASA existe para eso. 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Lo recuerdo.",2888.94,{"idx":3096,"utterance_id":3097,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3098,"start_s":3099,"end_s":3100,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},527,"6689","Todo el mundo se burló de mí.",2889.7,2891.2599999999998,{"idx":3102,"utterance_id":3103,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3104,"start_s":3105,"end_s":3106,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},528,"6690","Camila Leitão me criticó mucho. ¿Qué pasó?",2892.1,2894.06,{"idx":3108,"utterance_id":3109,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3110,"start_s":3111,"end_s":3112,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},529,"6691","Brasil fue el último país en entrar aquí y el primero en salir.",2895,2897.46,{"idx":3114,"utterance_id":3115,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3116,"start_s":3117,"end_s":3118,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},530,"6692","Un año después de la crisis, estábamos creciendo 7,5% al año.",2898.4,2901.64,{"idx":3120,"utterance_id":3121,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3122,"start_s":3123,"end_s":3124,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},531,"6693","Y en el comercio minorista crecíamos 13%.",2902.4,2904.56,{"idx":3126,"utterance_id":3127,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3128,"start_s":3129,"end_s":3130,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},532,"6694","Yo aumentaba el salario mínimo cada año.",2906.1,2908.3199999999997,{"idx":3132,"utterance_id":3133,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3134,"start_s":3135,"end_s":3136,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},533,"6695","Cada año no era solo el ajuste por inflación, era el ajuste por inflación más un aumento real.",2909.7,2914.5,{"idx":3138,"utterance_id":3139,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3140,"start_s":3141,"end_s":3142,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},534,"6696","El 90% de los trabajadores que trabajan en categorías organizadas, químicos, gráficos, metalúrgicos, todos esos tipos recibían aumento real por encima de la inflación. 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Y puedo decírtelo, Igor, con todo cariño,",3035.2,3045.5,{"idx":3340,"utterance_id":3341,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3342,"start_s":3343,"end_s":3344,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},569,"6731","el hombre del agronegocio.",3046.3,3048.86,{"idx":3346,"utterance_id":3347,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3348,"start_s":3349,"end_s":3350,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},570,"6732","El productor profesional no derriba la mata.",3049.6,3052.36,{"idx":3352,"utterance_id":3353,"speaker_name":69,"text":3354,"start_s":3355,"end_s":3356,"word_count":87,"indexable":73},571,"6733","Quien derriba la mata es un transgresor. Pero eso ya está medio resuelto. Porque hoy en día, si no tienes una ganadería verde, los otros países ni compran tu carne. Mira, no es solo la carne",3053.2,3067.18,{"idx":3358,"utterance_id":3359,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3360,"start_s":3356,"end_s":3361,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},572,"6734","verde.",3067.52,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":281,"indexable":73},573,"6735","Vas a decir así, si no explicas, sabes, la gente piensa que va a haber buey verde. No, no es eso. El buey es lo siguiente, es el buey que vive en el campo comiendo hierba.",3068.9199999999996,3079.56,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":27,"indexable":73},574,"6736","Ese es el llamado buey verde. 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No quiero decir el nombre porque no me gusta mencionar el nombre de un adversario.",3201.86,3212.0600000000004,{"idx":3498,"utterance_id":3499,"speaker_name":69,"text":3500,"start_s":3501,"end_s":3502,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},596,"6758","Está bien, está bien. Perdón,",3212.1200000000003,3213.2400000000002,{"idx":3504,"utterance_id":3505,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3506,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3507,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},597,"6759","entonces. Déjame hablar.",3214.26,{"idx":3509,"utterance_id":3510,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3511,"start_s":3512,"end_s":3513,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},598,"6760","¿Lo percibes?",3215.3,3216.02,{"idx":3515,"utterance_id":3516,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3517,"start_s":3518,"end_s":3519,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},599,"6761","Es una cosa innecesaria.",3216.48,3218.6200000000003,{"idx":3521,"utterance_id":3522,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3523,"start_s":3524,"end_s":3525,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},600,"6762","No estoy en contra de ti por motivos personales. Tienes que discutir cómo hacer las cosas bien hechas.",3219.8,3225.38,{"idx":3527,"utterance_id":3528,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3529,"start_s":3530,"end_s":3531,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},601,"6763","¿Qué es mejor? ¿Qué da más dinero? ¿Qué va a dar más?",3226,3229.26,{"idx":3533,"utterance_id":3534,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3535,"start_s":3536,"end_s":3537,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},602,"6764","Según estimaciones de personas ligadas al tema, hay 3 billones de dólares.",3230.48,3235.66,{"idx":3539,"utterance_id":3540,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3541,"start_s":3542,"end_s":3543,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},603,"6765","para abordar la cuestión del secuestro de carbono, con la buena agricultura, para que podamos equilibrar el planeta.",3236.6,3244.2799999999997,{"idx":3545,"utterance_id":3546,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3547,"start_s":3548,"end_s":3549,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},604,"6766","Entonces sí, eso es verdad, intentaremos trabajar en eso y es algo que voy a hacer.",3245.5,3250.12,{"idx":3551,"utterance_id":3552,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3553,"start_s":3554,"end_s":3555,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},605,"6767","Puedes estar seguro de que lo haré, vas a estar orgulloso de visitar la Amazonía y decir '¡Joder, este Lula es realmente genial!'. 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Es absurdo.",3295.3,3298.6400000000003,{"idx":3656,"utterance_id":3657,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3658,"start_s":3659,"end_s":3660,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},624,"6786","¡Ese tipo no tiene respeto!",3299.7,3301.3799999999997,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},"6787","Soy padre de cinco hijos, tengo ocho nietos, de los cuales cuatro son niñas, y tengo una biznieta.",3302.4,3307.44,{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},626,"6788","¿Ese tipo piensa que puede mentir de cualquier manera y que la gente le crea?",3308.7,3312.16,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},627,"6789","No es posible que la gente tenga el descaro de contar una mentira así por el micrófono dentro de una iglesia. Tú",3313.6,3320.2599999999998,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":69,"text":3681,"start_s":3677,"end_s":3682,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},628,"6790","consideras que...",3320.96,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3686,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3687,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},629,"6791","Está bien. Entonces estás diciendo que... Es decir, una iglesia es un lugar para ir a rezar, para ocuparse de nuestra espiritualidad.",3328.04,{"idx":3689,"utterance_id":3690,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3691,"start_s":3692,"end_s":3693,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},630,"6792","La iglesia no es un lugar para mentir. O",3329.1,3331.94,{"idx":3695,"utterance_id":3696,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3697,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3698,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},631,"6793","para hacer campaña. Para cometer pecado y hacer campaña. 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Y ahora veamos qué piensas sobre eso.",3381.1,3386.3199999999997,{"idx":3759,"utterance_id":3760,"speaker_name":69,"text":3761,"start_s":3762,"end_s":3763,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},643,"6805","En 2018, amigo, cuando Bolsonaro fue elegido, ¿consideras que allí Bolsonaro ganó la elección o que ganó el antipetismo?",3387,3395.94,{"idx":3765,"utterance_id":3766,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3767,"start_s":3768,"end_s":3769,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},644,"6806","Ahí yo considero que",3396.14,3398.48,{"idx":3771,"utterance_id":3772,"speaker_name":69,"text":3773,"start_s":3769,"end_s":3774,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},645,"6807","la canallada que hicieron",3400.14,{"idx":3776,"utterance_id":3777,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3778,"start_s":3774,"end_s":3779,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},646,"6808","conmigo y me encarcelaron...",3401.68,{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},647,"6809","hizo que él ganara las elecciones.",3402.3,3403.76,{"idx":3787,"utterance_id":3788,"speaker_name":69,"text":3789,"start_s":3790,"end_s":3791,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},648,"6810","¿Crees que si hubieras sido tú el tipo, ganarías? 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Sí, sí. ¿Sabes?",4012.7999999999997,4019.36,{"idx":4845,"utterance_id":4846,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4847,"start_s":4848,"end_s":4849,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},831,"6993","Pero eso es un problema del presidente, es un problema de la Receita Federal y no mío.",4020.1,4023.88,{"idx":4851,"utterance_id":4852,"speaker_name":69,"text":4853,"start_s":4854,"end_s":4855,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},832,"6994","Amigo, estábamos hablando un poco sobre fake... 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En manos de un",4076.1,4079.04,{"idx":4893,"utterance_id":4894,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4895,"start_s":4891,"end_s":4896,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},839,"7001","político. Entonces, pero déjame contarte una historia.",4081.2599999999998,{"idx":4898,"utterance_id":4899,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4900,"start_s":4901,"end_s":4902,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},840,"7002","Pongamos ese debate en manos de la sociedad.",4083.4,4085.44,{"idx":4904,"utterance_id":4905,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4906,"start_s":4907,"end_s":4908,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},841,"7003","Vamos. No tenemos que tener miedo del debate. 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Es que antiguamente contabas una mentira.",4119.639999999999,4124.0599999999995,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},852,"7014","Ibas con tu padre y le decías, papá, me fue bien en esta escuela, mi boletín solo tiene dieces.",4125.2,4128.94,{"idx":4971,"utterance_id":4972,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4973,"start_s":4974,"end_s":4975,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},853,"7015","Y solo tenías rojo en el boletín, habías pasado.",4129.72,4132.44,{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},854,"7016","Y solo tú y tu padre lo sabían, ahora no.",4133.6,4136.240000000001,{"idx":4983,"utterance_id":4984,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4985,"start_s":4986,"end_s":4987,"word_count":43,"indexable":73},855,"7017","Ahora el tipo se encierra en su cuarto, coge su celular y habla mal de la madre de todo el mundo, del padre de todo el mundo, sin ninguna responsabilidad.",4137.2,4146.62,{"idx":4989,"utterance_id":4990,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4991,"start_s":4992,"end_s":4993,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},856,"7018","No podemos, el tipo promueve la muerte, promueve la violencia, promueve el tumulto, no es posible.",4147.7,4153.82,{"idx":4995,"utterance_id":4996,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4997,"start_s":4998,"end_s":4999,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},857,"7019","En vez de llamar red social, no es una red social, porque hay muchas cosas que no son sociales.",4154.3,4162.099999999999,{"idx":5001,"utterance_id":5002,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5003,"start_s":5004,"end_s":5005,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},858,"7020","Entonces es necesario que la gente sepa.",4163.2,4165.5,{"idx":5007,"utterance_id":5008,"speaker_name":69,"text":5009,"start_s":5010,"end_s":5011,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},859,"7021","¿Qué es normal?",4166.2,4166.98,{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":69,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":449,"indexable":73},860,"7022","¿Has pensado cuál sería la mejor manera de hacer eso? Porque, mira, una de las ideas y propuestas que ya he oído es, amigo, para tener un perfil en Twitter o lo que sea, necesitas registrar un documento, por ejemplo. Se vuelve más difícil para el tipo... Así cuando el tipo dice una cosa, más o menos todo el mundo sabe quién es.",4168.1,4185.4400000000005,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},861,"7023","Entonces, pero déjame preguntarte, ¿no crees que es bueno saber quién es?",4185.620000000001,4188.56,{"idx":5025,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":69,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},862,"7024","Creo, creo. 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Yo",4544.12,{"idx":5503,"utterance_id":5504,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5505,"start_s":5501,"end_s":5506,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},946,"7108","le dije: sé candidato a alcalde.",4545.4400000000005,{"idx":5508,"utterance_id":5509,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5510,"start_s":5511,"end_s":5512,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},947,"7109","Quiero saber si vas a beber agua cuando haya inundación.",4546.2,4549.12,{"idx":5514,"utterance_id":5515,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5516,"start_s":5517,"end_s":5518,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},948,"7110","Porque la naturaleza, tío, cuando se mueve...",4550.2,4553.7,{"idx":5520,"utterance_id":5521,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5522,"start_s":5523,"end_s":5524,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},949,"7111","pasa por encima de todo lo que crees que no va a suceder.",4554.5,4557.48,{"idx":5526,"utterance_id":5527,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5528,"start_s":5529,"end_s":5530,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},950,"7112","Entonces es preciso que tengamos un poco de cuidado al juzgar a las personas.",4559.7,4564.42,{"idx":5532,"utterance_id":5533,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5534,"start_s":5535,"end_s":5536,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},951,"7113","No hay nadie 100% bueno, ni nadie 100% malo.",4566.5,4570.06,{"idx":5538,"utterance_id":5539,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5540,"start_s":5541,"end_s":5542,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},952,"7114","Todo el mundo tiene una parte buena y una parte mala.",4570.9,4572.98,{"idx":5544,"utterance_id":5545,"speaker_name":69,"text":5546,"start_s":5547,"end_s":5548,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},953,"7115","Nadie es puro.",4573.6,4574.1,{"idx":5550,"utterance_id":5551,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5552,"start_s":5553,"end_s":5554,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},954,"7116","En mi caso, mi parte buena es mejor.",4574.160000000001,4576.04,{"idx":5556,"utterance_id":5557,"speaker_name":69,"text":5558,"start_s":5559,"end_s":5560,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},955,"7117","Oye, la Gleice está hablando allí del horario, no sé qué. ¿Cómo estás?",4578.379999999999,4581.2,{"idx":5562,"utterance_id":5563,"speaker_name":69,"text":5564,"start_s":5565,"end_s":5566,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},956,"7118","Hay por lo menos unas",4581.8,4582.68,{"idx":5568,"utterance_id":5569,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5570,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5571,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},957,"7119","tres",4584.52,{"idx":5573,"utterance_id":5574,"speaker_name":69,"text":5575,"start_s":5571,"end_s":5576,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},958,"7120","cositas aquí de las que tengo que hablar contigo, amigo.",4587.54,{"idx":5578,"utterance_id":5579,"speaker_name":69,"text":5580,"start_s":5581,"end_s":5582,"word_count":281,"indexable":73},959,"7121","Está bien, entonces vamos, déjame tomar aquí unas tres, por ejemplo, hay una aquí que no puedo dejar pasar, amigo, que es, ¿cuál fue, cuál fue el cálculo que hiciste?",4588.2,4599.42,{"idx":5584,"utterance_id":5585,"speaker_name":69,"text":5586,"start_s":5587,"end_s":5588,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},960,"7122","cálculo político.",4600.5,4601.06,{"idx":5590,"utterance_id":5591,"speaker_name":69,"text":5592,"start_s":5593,"end_s":5594,"word_count":589,"indexable":73},961,"7123","Que hiciste para poner a Alckmin en tu chapa. Porque, así, sabes. Para mí queda muy claro el movimiento político que estás haciendo. Es un movimiento que no es de extremos. Es un movimiento de dialogar con un grupo que antiguamente era tu adversario. Y por lo tanto más o menos agregas a un grupo que no estaba contigo antes. Señalas que, mira, estoy aquí conversando con todo el mundo. Solo que tú, allá en la base, y yo converso con un grupo, por ejemplo, de Capão Redondo.",4602.1,4631.8,{"idx":5596,"utterance_id":5597,"speaker_name":69,"text":5598,"start_s":5599,"end_s":5600,"word_count":361,"indexable":73},962,"7124","debes conocer a Ferrez, yo hablo con Ferrez también, y hay un grupo en ese lugar que dice: 'joder, carajo, ¿cómo es que Lula se junta con Alckmin, tío, qué coño es esto?', entonces así, ganas por un lado, pierdes por otro, ¿cómo es",4632.400000000001,4646.200000000001,{"idx":5602,"utterance_id":5603,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3010,"start_s":5600,"end_s":5600,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},963,"7125",{"idx":5605,"utterance_id":5606,"speaker_name":69,"text":5607,"start_s":5600,"end_s":5608,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},964,"7126","tú haces ese cálculo, aprende algo que aprendí hace mucho tiempo",4649.620000000001,{"idx":5610,"utterance_id":5611,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5612,"start_s":5613,"end_s":5614,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},965,"7127","Una frase dicha por Paulo Freire, de vez en cuando...",4651,4654.96,{"idx":5616,"utterance_id":5617,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5618,"start_s":5619,"end_s":5620,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},966,"7128","Tienes que juntar a los divergentes.",4655.6,4657.92,{"idx":5622,"utterance_id":5623,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5624,"start_s":5625,"end_s":5626,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},967,"7129","para vencer a los antagónicos.",4658.5,4659.92,{"idx":5628,"utterance_id":5629,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5630,"start_s":5631,"end_s":5632,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},968,"7130","Está bien. ¿Qué pasó?",4661.5,4662.76,{"idx":5634,"utterance_id":5635,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5636,"start_s":5637,"end_s":5638,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},969,"7131","Entonces,",4663.3,4663.4,{"idx":5640,"utterance_id":5641,"speaker_name":69,"text":5642,"start_s":5638,"end_s":5643,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},970,"7132","de cierta forma, vale cualquier alianza. El",4665.16,{"idx":5645,"utterance_id":5646,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5647,"start_s":5643,"end_s":5648,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},971,"7133","¿qué pasó? No cualquiera.",4666.32,{"idx":5650,"utterance_id":5651,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5652,"start_s":5653,"end_s":5654,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},972,"7134","No cualquiera: Alckmin no es cualquier cosa.",4667.1,4668.8,{"idx":5656,"utterance_id":5657,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5658,"start_s":5659,"end_s":5660,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},973,"7135","Alckmin es un tipo que fue cuatro veces gobernador de São Paulo, el estado más importante de la federación.",4669.8,4675.84,{"idx":5662,"utterance_id":5663,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5664,"start_s":5665,"end_s":5666,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},974,"7136","Ganó todas las que disputó contra el PT.",4676.5,4678.26,{"idx":5668,"utterance_id":5669,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5670,"start_s":5671,"end_s":5672,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},975,"7137","Significa que tiene algún mérito.",4679.3,4680.84,{"idx":5674,"utterance_id":5675,"speaker_name":69,"text":5676,"start_s":5677,"end_s":5678,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},976,"7138","Entonces ¿qué pasa? 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Y, sobre todo, la posibilidad de ayudar a Haddad a ganar las elecciones en São Paulo.",4730.18,{"idx":5731,"utterance_id":5732,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5733,"start_s":5734,"end_s":5735,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},986,"7148","Eso es, es muy simple. ¿Recuerdas que en 2008 fui a buscar a un empresario?",4731.4,4735.339999999999,{"idx":5737,"utterance_id":5738,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5739,"start_s":5740,"end_s":5741,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},987,"7149","Zé Alencar tenía",4736.3,4737.46,{"idx":5743,"utterance_id":5744,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5745,"start_s":5741,"end_s":5746,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},988,"7150","una empresa de 17 mil trabajadores en Minas Gerais.",4740.84,{"idx":5748,"utterance_id":5749,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5750,"start_s":5751,"end_s":5752,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},989,"7151","Jamás imaginé tener a un empresario como vice.",4741.7,4743.92,{"idx":5754,"utterance_id":5755,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5756,"start_s":5757,"end_s":5758,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},990,"7152","Cuando vi su discurso, dije: este es.",4744.6,4746.38,{"idx":5760,"utterance_id":5761,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5762,"start_s":5763,"end_s":5764,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},991,"7153","Y lo llevé para ser mi vice.",4747.2,4748.3,{"idx":5766,"utterance_id":5767,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5768,"start_s":5769,"end_s":5770,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},992,"7154","Entonces Alckmin me sorprende.",4750.1,4753.320000000001,{"idx":5772,"utterance_id":5773,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5774,"start_s":5775,"end_s":5776,"word_count":256,"indexable":73},993,"7155","Es una figura de buena índole, ¿sabes?, está haciendo un trabajo extraordinario conmigo y estoy seguro de que somos la dupla que va a recuperar este país para el pueblo brasileño",4754.1,4766.04,{"idx":5778,"utterance_id":5779,"speaker_name":69,"text":5780,"start_s":5776,"end_s":5781,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},994,"7156","volver a sonreír.",4766.92,{"idx":5783,"utterance_id":5784,"speaker_name":69,"text":5785,"start_s":5786,"end_s":5787,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},995,"7157","Estoy seguro de eso.",4767.8,4768.72,{"idx":5789,"utterance_id":5790,"speaker_name":69,"text":568,"start_s":5791,"end_s":5792,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},996,"7158",4769.3,4769.820000000001,{"idx":5794,"utterance_id":5795,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5796,"start_s":5792,"end_s":5797,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},997,"7159","personal me está presionando para irme. Pero si tienes alguna pregunta esencial, hazme una o dos preguntas. Yo",4776.46,{"idx":5799,"utterance_id":5800,"speaker_name":69,"text":5801,"start_s":5797,"end_s":5802,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},998,"7160","tengo por lo menos otras dos aquí. Vamos. Amigo, es...",4780.96,{"idx":5804,"utterance_id":5805,"speaker_name":69,"text":5806,"start_s":5807,"end_s":5808,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},999,"7161","¿Dónde está?",4781.9,4782.2,{"idx":5810,"utterance_id":5811,"speaker_name":69,"text":5812,"start_s":5813,"end_s":5814,"word_count":473,"indexable":73},1000,"7162","Acabamos de hablar de... Ah, sí. Oye, hablamos rápidamente también sobre la cuestión de que consideras que en una segunda vuelta con Bolsonaro es muy difícil debatir, hablar sobre un plan de gobierno y todo eso. Entré en el sitio oficial y tienes exactamente 15 propuestas medio genéricas. Llamó la atención que podía ser 13. No sé por qué pusiste 15.",4784.9,4806,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":5816,"speaker_name":69,"text":5817,"start_s":5818,"end_s":5819,"word_count":43,"indexable":73},"7163","Pero, hombre, ¿por qué no tenemos un plan de gobierno? ¿Por qué se vota en Brasil como si fuera un concurso de buenismo? No,",4807.44,4817.0199999999995,{"idx":5821,"utterance_id":5822,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5823,"start_s":5824,"end_s":5825,"word_count":379,"indexable":73},1002,"7164","no, no. El PT siempre presentó programa de gobierno. Esta vez, ¿sabes cuál fue la novedad? Hicimos esa propuesta con 15 puntos y abrimos internet para que la sociedad pueda participar y dar sugerencias para nuestro programa de gobierno y ya hay más de 20 mil sugerencias. Pero tú",4817.16,4835.7,{"idx":5827,"utterance_id":5828,"speaker_name":69,"text":5829,"start_s":5825,"end_s":5830,"word_count":275,"indexable":73},1003,"7165","iba a presentar un programa de gobierno que parece que la gente del PT dijo: 'eh, no presentes nada'. No, deja que te diga una cosa: va a ser difícil hacer alianzas porque",4843.48,{"idx":5832,"utterance_id":5833,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5834,"start_s":5830,"end_s":5835,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1004,"7166","cuando uno...",4844.48,{"idx":5837,"utterance_id":5838,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5839,"start_s":5840,"end_s":5841,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},1005,"7167","Sabes, es que cuando uno...",4845.4,4846.98,{"idx":5843,"utterance_id":5844,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5845,"start_s":5846,"end_s":5847,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1006,"7168","ya gobernó.",4847.7,4848.46,{"idx":5849,"utterance_id":5850,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5851,"start_s":5852,"end_s":5853,"word_count":250,"indexable":73},1007,"7169","La gente ya sabe más o menos lo que voy a hacer. No sé, porque ahora te estás juntando con Alckmin. Entonces, pero deja que te diga una cosa.",4849.5,4855.28,{"idx":5855,"utterance_id":5856,"speaker_name":69,"text":5857,"start_s":5858,"end_s":5859,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},1008,"7170","Te apareces con Meirelles. Es como que la gente no sabe muy bien qué va a",4855.4,4859.06,{"idx":5861,"utterance_id":5862,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5863,"start_s":5859,"end_s":5864,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1009,"7171","pasar. Pero Meirelles fue importante para mí en el Banco Central. Yo",4861.38,{"idx":5866,"utterance_id":5867,"speaker_name":69,"text":2191,"start_s":5864,"end_s":5864,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1010,"7172",{"idx":5869,"utterance_id":5870,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5871,"start_s":5864,"end_s":5872,"word_count":127,"indexable":73},1011,"7173","dudo. Déjame decirte una cosa. Cuando gané en 2003, decía que si conseguía acabar con el hambre, habría cumplido. Y acabamos con el hambre. Ahora el hambre ha vuelto, peor.",4871.22,{"idx":5874,"utterance_id":5875,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5876,"start_s":5877,"end_s":5878,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},1012,"7174","La hambre ha vuelto mucho peor, Igor.",4873,4874.6,{"idx":5880,"utterance_id":5881,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5882,"start_s":5883,"end_s":5884,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},1013,"7175","¿Lo estás viendo, São Paulo, la cantidad de gente durmiendo en la calle? Hoy pasé por debajo de aquel viaducto en la Praça Rússia. 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Cuando bromeo, no les gusta cuando digo que volveremos a reunirnos el fin de semana y comer un churrasquito, una picanhita, tomar una cerveza fría. Es algo fantástico para la sociedad brasileña tener el derecho de volver a reunirse el fin de semana para hacer una fiesta familiar, acabar con este odio, construir la paz.",4922.9,4945.379999999999,{"idx":5960,"utterance_id":5961,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5962,"start_s":5963,"end_s":5964,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},1027,"7189","Todo eso es lo que necesito.",4946.6,4947.620000000001,{"idx":5966,"utterance_id":5967,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5968,"start_s":5969,"end_s":5970,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},1028,"7190","Y entonces lo descubrieron y me dijeron, ah, Lula está a favor del aborto; yo estoy en contra del aborto.",4949.1,4953.4400000000005,{"idx":5972,"utterance_id":5973,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5974,"start_s":5975,"end_s":5976,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1029,"7191","Estoy en contra del aborto porque el aborto no es bueno ni",4954.4,4956.5599999999995,{"idx":5978,"utterance_id":5979,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5980,"start_s":5976,"end_s":5981,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},1030,"7192","para el padre, ni para la madre, ni para nadie.",4958.04,{"idx":5983,"utterance_id":5984,"speaker_name":69,"text":5985,"start_s":5986,"end_s":5987,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},1031,"7193","Pero, ¿estás en contra del aborto personalmente o como política de Estado? 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Y quien tiene que decidir si hay aborto o no es la ley, no es el presidente de la República.",4967.24,{"idx":5994,"utterance_id":5995,"speaker_name":69,"text":5996,"start_s":5997,"end_s":5998,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1033,"7195","De acuerdo.",4968.2,4968.74,{"idx":6000,"utterance_id":6001,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6002,"start_s":6003,"end_s":6004,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1034,"7196","Prefiero dejar de lado ese fetiche.",4968.82,4971.04,{"idx":6006,"utterance_id":6007,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6008,"start_s":6009,"end_s":6010,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},1035,"7197","Hace falta dejar de inventar cosas acerca de las personas.",4971.9,4974.66,{"idx":6012,"utterance_id":6013,"speaker_name":69,"text":6014,"start_s":6015,"end_s":6016,"word_count":299,"indexable":73},1036,"7198","Bueno, entonces ahora, sólo porque tienes que irte, tenía un millón de cosas más para hablar contigo aquí, quizá en la próxima oportunidad. Pero coméntame rapidito qué piensas sobre el techo de gastos",4976.2,4986.179999999999,{"idx":6018,"utterance_id":6019,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6020,"start_s":6016,"end_s":6016,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1037,"7199","y",{"idx":6022,"utterance_id":6023,"speaker_name":69,"text":6024,"start_s":6016,"end_s":6025,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1038,"7200","la reforma laboral. Yo estoy en contra",4988.0199999999995,{"idx":6027,"utterance_id":6028,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6029,"start_s":6025,"end_s":6030,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1039,"7201","del techo de gastos.",4989.04,{"idx":941,"utterance_id":6032,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6033,"start_s":6034,"end_s":6035,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},"7202","Y te voy a contar por qué soy contrario al techo de gastos. Cuando gané las elecciones de 2003...",4990.1,4994.9400000000005,{"idx":6037,"utterance_id":6038,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6039,"start_s":6040,"end_s":6041,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1041,"7203","Brasil tenía una inflación del 12%.",4995.7,4997.46,{"idx":6043,"utterance_id":6044,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6045,"start_s":6046,"end_s":6047,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1042,"7204","Brasil le debía al FMI y tenía un 12% de desempleo.",4998.4,5002.139999999999,{"idx":6049,"utterance_id":6050,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6051,"start_s":6052,"end_s":6053,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1043,"7205","Bajamos la inflación al 4,6%.",5003.1,5005.72,{"idx":6055,"utterance_id":6056,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6057,"start_s":6058,"end_s":6059,"word_count":273,"indexable":73},1044,"7206","Reducimos la deuda que era del 60,5% del PIB, la deuda interna bruta, al 37,7%. Pagamos al FMI, le prestamos 15.000 millones al FMI y además juntamos 370.000 millones de dólares, algo que Brasil nunca había tenido.",5006.9,5023.4,{"idx":6061,"utterance_id":6062,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6063,"start_s":6064,"end_s":6065,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},1045,"7207","Y generamos 22 millones de empleos.",5024.7,5026.5,{"idx":6067,"utterance_id":6068,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6069,"start_s":6070,"end_s":6071,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1046,"7208","el mayor",5028,5029.24,{"idx":6073,"utterance_id":6074,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6075,"start_s":6071,"end_s":6076,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},1047,"7209","programa de inclusión social. 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La educación es inversión.",5063.48,{"idx":6119,"utterance_id":6120,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6121,"start_s":6122,"end_s":6123,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1056,"7218","Cuidar la salud de las personas es inversión.",5064.4,5066.42,{"idx":6125,"utterance_id":6126,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6127,"start_s":6128,"end_s":6129,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1057,"7219","Necesitamos tratar a las personas con un poco más de decencia, Igor.",5067.6,5070.88,{"idx":6131,"utterance_id":6132,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6133,"start_s":6134,"end_s":6135,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},1058,"7220","Entonces ese asunto del techo de gastos fue inventado para garantizar a los banqueros lo que les corresponde.",5072,5075.7,{"idx":6137,"utterance_id":6138,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6139,"start_s":6140,"end_s":6141,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1059,"7221","Ahora nadie quiere discutir un techo para la política social.",5076.6,5079.400000000001,{"idx":6143,"utterance_id":6144,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6145,"start_s":6146,"end_s":6147,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},1060,"7222","Nadie quiere discutir un techo al crecimiento de la economía, un techo a los aumentos salariales, no.",5080.4,5084.86,{"idx":6149,"utterance_id":6150,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6151,"start_s":6152,"end_s":6153,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1061,"7223","La gente solo quiere evitar que cuidemos a las personas más pobres.",5085.7,5089.44,{"idx":6155,"utterance_id":6156,"speaker_name":69,"text":6157,"start_s":6158,"end_s":6159,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},1062,"7224","¿Y la reforma? 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Queremos actualizarla.",5112.38,{"idx":6193,"utterance_id":6194,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6195,"start_s":6196,"end_s":6197,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1069,"7231","España acaba de hacer una actualización.",5113.1,5115.1,{"idx":6199,"utterance_id":6200,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6201,"start_s":6202,"end_s":6203,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1070,"7232","Por ejemplo, esa gente que trabaja con aplicaciones.",5115.9,5118.86,{"idx":6205,"utterance_id":6206,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6207,"start_s":6208,"end_s":6209,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1071,"7233","Esas personas tienen que tener una regulación, tienen que tener jornada laboral,",5120.4,5123.28,{"idx":6211,"utterance_id":6212,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6213,"start_s":6214,"end_s":6215,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},1072,"7234","tienen que tener",5123.74,5124.86,{"idx":6217,"utterance_id":6218,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6219,"start_s":6215,"end_s":6220,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1073,"7235","descanso semanal remunerado.",5127.32,{"idx":6222,"utterance_id":6223,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6224,"start_s":6225,"end_s":6226,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},1074,"7236","Tienen que tener algún derecho, porque inventaron que son emprendedores, no son emprendedores, amigo.",5128.1,5133.84,{"idx":6228,"utterance_id":6229,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6230,"start_s":6231,"end_s":6232,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},1075,"7237","Si el tipo se choca con el coche y lo rompe, está jodido.",5135,5137.3,{"idx":6234,"utterance_id":6235,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6236,"start_s":6237,"end_s":6238,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1076,"7238","Si se hiere, está jodido.",5138,5139.6,{"idx":6240,"utterance_id":6241,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6242,"start_s":6243,"end_s":6244,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},1077,"7239","Entonces, necesitamos hacer una regulación que garantice a las personas un mínimo de seguridad social.",5139.98,5145.38,{"idx":6246,"utterance_id":6247,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6248,"start_s":6249,"end_s":6250,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1078,"7240","Sabes, si se lastima, su familia tiene que tener algo.",5147.1,5149.780000000001,{"idx":6252,"utterance_id":6253,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6254,"start_s":6255,"end_s":6256,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},1079,"7241","Tiene que tener una previsión social.",5151.7,5152.96,{"idx":6258,"utterance_id":6259,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6260,"start_s":6261,"end_s":6262,"word_count":176,"indexable":73},1080,"7242","Porque además el tipo se queda con hambre, oliendo la comida y",5154.5,5159.42,{"idx":6264,"utterance_id":6265,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6266,"start_s":6262,"end_s":6267,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},1081,"7243","sin dinero para comprarla.",5160.4,{"idx":6269,"utterance_id":6270,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6271,"start_s":6272,"end_s":6273,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},1082,"7244","Lógico que si el tipo quiere trabajar por cuenta propia, tenemos que incentivarlo a trabajar por cuenta propia.",5161.5,5166.08,{"idx":6275,"utterance_id":6276,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6277,"start_s":6278,"end_s":6279,"word_count":109,"indexable":73},1083,"7245","Y crear algunas condiciones para que sobreviva.",5167.1,5169.160000000001,{"idx":6281,"utterance_id":6282,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6283,"start_s":6284,"end_s":6285,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1084,"7246","Porque todo el mundo sueña con trabajar sin tener jefe.",5170.1,5172.52,{"idx":6287,"utterance_id":6288,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6289,"start_s":6290,"end_s":6291,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1085,"7247","Todo el mundo sueña.",5172.900000000001,5173.92,{"idx":6293,"utterance_id":6294,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6295,"start_s":6296,"end_s":6297,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1086,"7248","Yo, cuando era tornero mecánico en Vilar, soñaba...",5174.4,5176.759999999999,{"idx":6299,"utterance_id":6300,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6301,"start_s":6302,"end_s":6303,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},1087,"7249","renunciar y trabajar de taxista. 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Si montara un bar, me lo bebería todo, amigo.",5180.879999999999,5183.78,{"idx":6311,"utterance_id":6312,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6313,"start_s":6314,"end_s":6315,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},1089,"7251","Entonces, pero hoy no, hoy hay más alternativas para las personas.",5185.3,5190.34,{"idx":6317,"utterance_id":6318,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6319,"start_s":6320,"end_s":6321,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1090,"7252","Sin más alternativas, tenemos que dar más oportunidades a la gente.",5191.8,5194.6,{"idx":6323,"utterance_id":6324,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6325,"start_s":6326,"end_s":6327,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1091,"7253","Entonces siempre digo lo siguiente: no nacimos para ser pobres.",5196,5199.28,{"idx":6329,"utterance_id":6330,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6331,"start_s":6332,"end_s":6333,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1092,"7254","No nos gusta comer comida mala, queremos cosas buenas.",5200.4,5204.0599999999995,{"idx":6335,"utterance_id":6336,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6337,"start_s":6338,"end_s":6339,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1093,"7255","Es necesario que la gente tenga un poco de respeto por las personas pobres.",5205.3,5208.72,{"idx":6341,"utterance_id":6342,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6343,"start_s":6344,"end_s":6345,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},1094,"7256","¿Acaso la gente piensa que quien está durmiendo debajo del viaducto eligió eso? La persona",5209.4,5215.08,{"idx":6347,"utterance_id":6348,"speaker_name":69,"text":6349,"start_s":6350,"end_s":6351,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1095,"7257","no lo eligió,",5215.5199999999995,5216.379999999999,{"idx":6353,"utterance_id":6354,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6355,"start_s":6356,"end_s":6357,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1096,"7258","amigo.",5216.58,5216.74,{"idx":6359,"utterance_id":6360,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6361,"start_s":6362,"end_s":6363,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1097,"7259","Todo el mundo quiere tener una casita, Igor.",5217.6,5219.26,{"idx":6365,"utterance_id":6366,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6367,"start_s":6368,"end_s":6369,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},1098,"7260","Todos quieren tener una casita. Y hicimos un programa llamado Minha Casa Minha Vida, que fue el mayor programa nacional en la historia de este país.",5220.3,5227.54,{"idx":6371,"utterance_id":6372,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6373,"start_s":6374,"end_s":6375,"word_count":164,"indexable":73},1099,"7261","Contratamos 4.100.000 viviendas. Y las personas que ganaban poco no pagaban.",5228.12,5233.3,{"idx":6377,"utterance_id":6378,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6379,"start_s":6380,"end_s":6381,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1100,"7262","Y la escritura sale a nombre de la mujer.",5234.1,5235.72,{"idx":6383,"utterance_id":6384,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6385,"start_s":6386,"end_s":6387,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},1101,"7263","Tenemos que volver con ese programa.",5237.3,5238.8,{"idx":6389,"utterance_id":6390,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6391,"start_s":6392,"end_s":6393,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},1102,"7264","¿Sabes? Todo el mundo quiere tener un trabajito y ganar un buen salario. Todo el mundo quiere que los hijos estén bien vestidos, que los niños vayan a la escuela con el estómago lleno.",5240.4,5249.32,{"idx":6395,"utterance_id":6396,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6397,"start_s":6398,"end_s":6399,"word_count":281,"indexable":73},1103,"7265","Esto no es exageración, es lo mínimo que la Biblia dice que debemos tener, que la Constitución dice que debemos tener. ¿Por qué negarlo? Mira algo absurdo.",5249.82,5259.12,{"idx":6401,"utterance_id":6402,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6403,"start_s":6404,"end_s":6405,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1104,"7266","Está en la Constitución.",5259.24,5260.48,{"idx":6407,"utterance_id":6408,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6409,"start_s":6410,"end_s":6411,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},1105,"7267","Que la mujer y el hombre deben recibir el mismo salario.",5262.2,5264.5199999999995,{"idx":6413,"utterance_id":6414,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6415,"start_s":6416,"end_s":6417,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1106,"7268","Si realizan el mismo trabajo.",5266.3,5267.28,{"idx":6419,"utterance_id":6420,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6421,"start_s":6422,"end_s":6423,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1107,"7269","La mujer gana,",5268.9,5269.58,{"idx":6425,"utterance_id":6426,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6427,"start_s":6423,"end_s":6428,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1108,"7270","¿sabes?, el 60% de lo que gana el hombre.",5272.32,{"idx":6430,"utterance_id":6431,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6432,"start_s":6433,"end_s":6434,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1109,"7271","Entonces eso es algo que vamos a regular.",5272.639999999999,5274.339999999999,{"idx":6436,"utterance_id":6437,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6438,"start_s":6439,"end_s":6440,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1110,"7272","Vamos a regularlo, puedes estar seguro, vamos a regular para que la mujer gane",5275.9,5279.74,{"idx":6442,"utterance_id":6443,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6444,"start_s":6440,"end_s":6445,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},1111,"7273","igual que el hombre, si ella desempeña la misma función, y a veces la mujer tiene más competencia que el hombre.",5283.62,{"idx":6447,"utterance_id":6448,"speaker_name":69,"text":6449,"start_s":6450,"end_s":6451,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},1112,"7274","Cuando tú hablas de regulación de medios, no estás hablando de censura, ¿eh? No estoy hablando de censura, yo soy",5284.4,5288.5199999999995,{"idx":6453,"utterance_id":6454,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6455,"start_s":6451,"end_s":6456,"word_count":250,"indexable":73},1113,"7275","enemigo de la censura, entré en la política contra la censura, lo que quiero hacer es lo que estoy diciendo, hay cosas en las que la sociedad tiene que participar para cambiar.",5297.48,{"idx":6458,"utterance_id":6459,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6460,"start_s":6461,"end_s":6462,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},1114,"7276","No voy a citar cosas aquí, pero hay canales de televisión",5298.9,5302.28,{"idx":6464,"utterance_id":6465,"speaker_name":69,"text":3010,"start_s":6462,"end_s":6466,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1115,"7277",5303.139999999999,{"idx":6468,"utterance_id":6469,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6470,"start_s":6466,"end_s":6471,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1116,"7278","solo dicen tonterías, solo hablan con groserías, solo ofenden.",5307.66,{"idx":6473,"utterance_id":6474,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6475,"start_s":6476,"end_s":6477,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1117,"7279","La última regulación de los medios electrónicos es de 62.",5308.5,5312.92,{"idx":6479,"utterance_id":6480,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6481,"start_s":6482,"end_s":6483,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1118,"7280","Entonces no necesitamos llamar a la sociedad para discutir.",5315.1,5317.280000000001,{"idx":1049,"utterance_id":6485,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6486,"start_s":6487,"end_s":6488,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},"7281","Si tú hablas de llamar a la sociedad, me quedo más tranquilo. Y podemos hacer una regulación como la legislación inglesa.",5318.4,5324.379999999999,{"idx":6490,"utterance_id":6491,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6492,"start_s":6493,"end_s":6494,"word_count":158,"indexable":73},1120,"7282","Como la legislación estadounidense, como la legislación alemana, nadie quiere una regulación como la de Cuba.",5325.6,5329.780000000001,{"idx":6496,"utterance_id":6497,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6498,"start_s":6499,"end_s":6500,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1121,"7283","Nadie la quiere.",5331.2,5331.679999999999,{"idx":6502,"utterance_id":6503,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6504,"start_s":6505,"end_s":6506,"word_count":215,"indexable":73},1122,"7284","Nadie quiere una radio que solo diga lo que interesa al gobierno, una televisión que solo diga lo que interesa al gobierno. Nadie ve eso.",5332.9,5339.12,{"idx":6508,"utterance_id":6509,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6510,"start_s":6511,"end_s":6512,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},1123,"7285","Sería insoportable.",5339.7,5341.26,{"idx":6514,"utterance_id":6515,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6516,"start_s":6517,"end_s":6518,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1124,"7286","Lo que queremos es algo plural, que",5342.2,5344.74,{"idx":6520,"utterance_id":6521,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6522,"start_s":6518,"end_s":6523,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},1125,"7287","todo el mundo tenga derecho a participar, que la oposición tenga derecho de réplica, que las personas ofendidas tengan derecho de réplica. Es",5352.38,{"idx":6525,"utterance_id":6526,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6527,"start_s":6523,"end_s":6528,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1126,"7288","lo mínimo.",5352.78,{"idx":6530,"utterance_id":6531,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6532,"start_s":6533,"end_s":6534,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},1127,"7289","Mira, si tú dices algo aquí en tus programas y ofendes a alguien, y esa persona te llama y dice, oye compañero...",5354.7,5361.78,{"idx":6536,"utterance_id":6537,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6538,"start_s":6539,"end_s":6540,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1128,"7290","¿Podemos tener el derecho de réplica, no nos lo vas a dar?",5362.3,5365.400000000001,{"idx":6542,"utterance_id":6543,"speaker_name":69,"text":6544,"start_s":6545,"end_s":6546,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1129,"7291","Generalmente, sí. 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La Record tiene retransmisora, la Globo puede meter.",5381.7,5385.28,{"idx":6577,"utterance_id":6578,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6579,"start_s":6580,"end_s":6581,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1135,"7297","Ahora, en los Estados...",5386.2,5387.179999999999,{"idx":6583,"utterance_id":6584,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6585,"start_s":6586,"end_s":6587,"word_count":275,"indexable":73},1136,"7298","No tienen programa local, la única libertad que tienen es hacer el noticiero de las siete de la mañana, el noticiero del mediodía y el noticiero de las ocho de la noche, media hora de noticiero.",5388.5,5398.8,{"idx":6589,"utterance_id":6590,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6591,"start_s":6592,"end_s":6593,"word_count":423,"indexable":73},1137,"7299","El resto es difundiendo todo el día los enlatados, ¿sabes?, que la matriz de aquí de São Paulo reproduce. ¿No crees que sería justo crear condiciones para que hubiera tres, cuatro, cinco horas de programación local, regional, para dar empleo a la artista de allí, para dar empleo a la Cámara de allí, para dar empleo a un montón de gente allí?",5399.6,5418.84,{"idx":6595,"utterance_id":6596,"speaker_name":69,"text":6597,"start_s":6598,"end_s":6599,"word_count":181,"indexable":73},1138,"7300","Hay que ver si es posible, ¿eh? Tal vez no se resuelva solo con un plumazo. No, deja",5419.6,5423.280000000001,{"idx":6601,"utterance_id":6602,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6603,"start_s":6599,"end_s":6604,"word_count":187,"indexable":73},1139,"7301","te lo cuento. No es con un plumazo, no. Es que es muy fácil para el tipo obtener una retransmisora allí",5427.860000000001,{"idx":6606,"utterance_id":6607,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6608,"start_s":6609,"end_s":6610,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1140,"7302","y el tipo se queda ganando el porcentaje de la publicidad.",5428.320000000001,5431.08,{"idx":6612,"utterance_id":6613,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6614,"start_s":6615,"end_s":6616,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1141,"7303","Sin ningún compromiso de nada.",5432.2,5433.46,{"idx":6618,"utterance_id":6619,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6620,"start_s":6621,"end_s":6622,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1142,"7304","¡Febe!",5435.2,5435.5199999999995,{"idx":6624,"utterance_id":6625,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6626,"start_s":6627,"end_s":6628,"word_count":140,"indexable":73},1143,"7305","La RBF en Rio Grande do Fute y el Programa Local.",5436.1,5438.64,{"idx":6630,"utterance_id":6631,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6632,"start_s":6633,"end_s":6634,"word_count":89,"indexable":73},1144,"7306","Lo conocí en...",5440.7,5442.34,{"idx":6636,"utterance_id":6637,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6638,"start_s":6639,"end_s":6640,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1145,"7307","En Maranhão,",5445,5446.08,{"idx":6642,"utterance_id":6643,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6644,"start_s":6645,"end_s":6646,"word_count":170,"indexable":73},1146,"7308","había una ciudad allí que tenía un programa del SBT que era local, programa de auditorio.",5446.1,5451.24,{"idx":6648,"utterance_id":6649,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":183,"start_s":6650,"end_s":6651,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},1147,"7309",5452.3,5452.5,{"idx":6653,"utterance_id":6654,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6655,"start_s":6656,"end_s":6657,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},1148,"7310","Sí, bueno...",5453.2,5453.5599999999995,{"idx":6659,"utterance_id":6660,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6661,"start_s":6662,"end_s":6663,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},1149,"7311","Entonces, hay que cambiar, gente, estamos en el siglo XXI, estamos repitiendo lo mismo del siglo XX.",5454,5460.62,{"idx":6665,"utterance_id":6666,"speaker_name":69,"text":6667,"start_s":6668,"end_s":6669,"word_count":146,"indexable":73},1150,"7312","Vamos hacia internet, hacia el núcleo de la TV. Tenemos nueve",5461.6,5464.04,{"idx":6671,"utterance_id":6672,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6673,"start_s":6669,"end_s":6674,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},1151,"7313","personas que son dueñas de todos los medios de comunicación",5467.4400000000005,{"idx":6676,"utterance_id":6677,"speaker_name":69,"text":6678,"start_s":6674,"end_s":6679,"word_count":21,"indexable":73},1152,"7314","de Brasil. Eso es extraño, eso es horrible. Sabes, entonces internet... También tenemos cinco bancos. Internet es una cosa",5472.88,{"idx":6681,"utterance_id":6682,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6683,"start_s":6679,"end_s":6684,"word_count":80,"indexable":73},1153,"7315","muy importante, muy, muy importante.",5475.96,{"idx":6686,"utterance_id":6687,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6688,"start_s":6689,"end_s":6690,"word_count":293,"indexable":73},1154,"7316","Recuerdo que internet, cuando surgió, todo el mundo pensaba que sería la revolución, que todo el mundo, muchos periodistas renunciaban para ganar dinero. No funcionó, porque... Para algunos no funcionó. Para muchos no funcionó.",5476.400000000001,5488.46,{"idx":6692,"utterance_id":6693,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6694,"start_s":6695,"end_s":6696,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1155,"7317","No todo el mundo, amigo, tiene la suerte que tú tuviste y otros compañeros.",5489.7,5493.16,{"idx":6698,"utterance_id":6699,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6700,"start_s":6701,"end_s":6702,"word_count":152,"indexable":73},1156,"7318","Haz algo que funcione, acierta en el blanco y seguimos adelante.",5494.1,5497.38,{"idx":6704,"utterance_id":6705,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6706,"start_s":6707,"end_s":6708,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1157,"7319","Eso lo considero loable, lo veo bien, lo encuentro muy interesante.",5498.9,5502.28,{"idx":6710,"utterance_id":6711,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6712,"start_s":6713,"end_s":6714,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},1158,"7320","Y me pongo aún más feliz cuando veo que...",5503.32,5506.08,{"idx":6716,"utterance_id":6717,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6718,"start_s":6719,"end_s":6720,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},1159,"7321","Tú eres un tipo que se formó por ProUni, amigo.",5506.9,5509.219999999999,{"idx":6722,"utterance_id":6723,"speaker_name":69,"text":6724,"start_s":6725,"end_s":6726,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},1160,"7322","Yo estudié Letras. El ProUni fue lo más",5510.4,5512.719999999999,{"idx":6728,"utterance_id":6729,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6730,"start_s":6726,"end_s":6731,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},1161,"7323","extraordinario. Sabes que yo soñaba con meter a los pobres en la universidad, no los teníamos. Incluso pensé en utilizar el fondo de garantía.",5521.139999999999,{"idx":6733,"utterance_id":6734,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6735,"start_s":6736,"end_s":6737,"word_count":275,"indexable":73},1162,"7324","Entonces, de repente, la mujer de Haddad pensó una idea, se la dijo a Haddad, Haddad me la dijo a mí, yo dije, ¡carajo!, vamos a cambiar la deuda que la universidad tiene con las becas.",5521.7,5531.32,{"idx":6739,"utterance_id":6740,"speaker_name":91,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6741,"start_s":6742,"end_s":6743,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},1163,"7325","Y vamos a colocar a gente de la periferia. 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