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noches.",15.74,16.16,2,false,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":16,"speaker_name":8,"text":17,"start_s":18,"end_s":19,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1,"213803","Roda Viva cumple hoy la marca de mil programas.",16.68,19.78,11,{"idx":12,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":8,"text":23,"start_s":24,"end_s":25,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},"213804","En estos 19 años, los grandes temas políticos, económicos y sociales se han discutido en el programa, que también ha recibido a algunos de nuestros mayores artistas e intelectuales.",19.9,29.1,24,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":29,"speaker_name":8,"text":30,"start_s":31,"end_s":32,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},3,"213805","Hoy, en la conmemoración de ese milésimo programa, el invitado es uno de los que más ha asistido a Roda Viva, el presidente de la República, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.",29.58,38.12,26,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":36,"speaker_name":8,"text":37,"start_s":38,"end_s":39,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},4,"213806","Además, cabe registrar que TV Cultura fue la primera emisora de televisión en hacer una entrevista a Lula al inicio de su carrera como dirigente sindical.",38.48,46.96,27,{"idx":42,"utterance_id":43,"speaker_name":8,"text":44,"start_s":45,"end_s":46,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},5,"213807","Vamos a ver ahora esta y otras imágenes.",47.32,49.78,8,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":50,"speaker_name":8,"text":51,"start_s":52,"end_s":53,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},6,"213808","Eran los tiempos difíciles de la lucha sindical en el ABC en plena dictadura y surgía un nuevo liderazgo dispuesto a cambiar las relaciones entre patrones y empleados en el país.",50.44,59.52,28,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":57,"speaker_name":8,"text":58,"start_s":59,"end_s":60,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},7,"213809","Nos vamos a detener mucho en la decisión de nuestro congreso.",60.1,68.12,10,{"idx":47,"utterance_id":63,"speaker_name":8,"text":64,"start_s":65,"end_s":66,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},"213810","Nuestro congreso decidió que... Esta fue la primera entrevista concedida por Lula a un canal de televisión.",68.14,76.54,17,{"idx":69,"utterance_id":70,"speaker_name":8,"text":71,"start_s":72,"end_s":73,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},9,"213811","Poco después, él acudió a los estudios de TV Cultura para hablar en el programa Vox Populi, donde explicó de forma más detallada los objetivos de la lucha sindical que se iniciaba.",77.18,86.32,29,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":76,"speaker_name":8,"text":77,"start_s":78,"end_s":79,"word_count":80,"indexable":13},"213812","Lo que quiero dejar bien claro, eso es mi convicción, es que si durante toda la existencia del sindicalismo brasileño, éste, dormido, no logró resolver los problemas de la clase trabajadora, espero que ahora se dé la misma oportunidad a algunos dirigentes sindicales que están despiertos y están intentando resolver los problemas de la clase trabajadora.",86.64,106.36,55,{"idx":20,"utterance_id":82,"speaker_name":8,"text":83,"start_s":84,"end_s":85,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},"213813","A partir de entonces, Lula terminó convirtiéndose en un invitado asiduo de Roda Viva, como líder del PT, diputado federal y candidato a la presidencia.",106.74,113.62,23,{"idx":88,"utterance_id":89,"speaker_name":8,"text":90,"start_s":91,"end_s":92,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},12,"213814","Fue un largo camino hasta la victoria.",114.58,116.28,{"idx":94,"utterance_id":95,"speaker_name":8,"text":96,"start_s":97,"end_s":98,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},13,"213815","Bueno, a lo largo de esos 19 años, Roda Viva terminó transformándose gracias a la actuación de un inmenso equipo.",121.2,127.46,20,{"idx":101,"utterance_id":102,"speaker_name":8,"text":103,"start_s":104,"end_s":105,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},14,"213816","Pasaron más de 4.000 periodistas por el programa, solo en la conducción fueron 14 profesionales.",127.82,133.26,{"idx":107,"utterance_id":108,"speaker_name":8,"text":109,"start_s":110,"end_s":111,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},15,"213817","Se transformó efectivamente en un gran centro de discusión de ideas, donde los principales problemas del país fueron debatidos a lo largo de estas casi dos décadas.",133.78,142.28,{"idx":113,"utterance_id":114,"speaker_name":8,"text":115,"start_s":116,"end_s":117,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},16,"213818","Esta, además, es la principal característica de Roda Viva.",142.82,145.26,{"idx":67,"utterance_id":119,"speaker_name":8,"text":120,"start_s":121,"end_s":122,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},"213819","Políticos, artistas, intelectuales, brasileños y extranjeros pasaron por aquí.",145.7,150.18,{"idx":124,"utterance_id":125,"speaker_name":8,"text":126,"start_s":127,"end_s":128,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},18,"213820","Cuando el primer programa se estrenó, en 1986, el país vivía los tiempos de la redemocratización, después de dos décadas de régimen militar.",153.7,163.68,21,{"idx":131,"utterance_id":132,"speaker_name":8,"text":133,"start_s":134,"end_s":135,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},19,"213821","El entonces ministro de Justicia, Paulo Brossard, fue el primer entrevistado.",164.52,169.08,{"idx":99,"utterance_id":137,"speaker_name":8,"text":138,"start_s":139,"end_s":140,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},"213822","Era seguridad nacional.",170.34,171.4,{"idx":129,"utterance_id":142,"speaker_name":8,"text":143,"start_s":144,"end_s":145,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},"213823","Y yo creo que eso no ayudó en nada y perjudicó mucho.",172.58,176.14,{"idx":147,"utterance_id":148,"speaker_name":8,"text":149,"start_s":150,"end_s":151,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},22,"213824","A partir de entonces, el programa retrató los altibajos de nuestra política y de la economía.",176.96,182.24,{"idx":86,"utterance_id":153,"speaker_name":8,"text":154,"start_s":155,"end_s":156,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},"213825","Y finalmente la renegociación soberana de la deuda externa.",182.58,185.98,{"idx":26,"utterance_id":158,"speaker_name":8,"text":159,"start_s":160,"end_s":161,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},"213826","Entendemos que la renegociación de la deuda debe ser tal que se adecue a nuestro crecimiento económico.",186.02,192.88,{"idx":163,"utterance_id":164,"speaker_name":8,"text":165,"start_s":166,"end_s":167,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},25,"213827","Ya no es posible que sacrifiquemos nuestro crecimiento económico en función de esos acuerdos que se han venido haciendo con respecto a la deuda externa.",192.92,201.52,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":169,"speaker_name":8,"text":170,"start_s":171,"end_s":172,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},"213828","Grandes enfrentamientos se han librado aquí.",202.06,203.98,{"idx":40,"utterance_id":174,"speaker_name":8,"text":175,"start_s":176,"end_s":177,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},"213829","reuniendo todas las corrientes políticas.",204.52,206.98,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":179,"speaker_name":8,"text":180,"start_s":181,"end_s":182,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},"213830","Entiendo que el partido es fundamental.",207.38,209.24,{"idx":74,"utterance_id":184,"speaker_name":8,"text":185,"start_s":186,"end_s":187,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},"213831","Una de las definiciones de democracia es el régimen de partidos.",209.7,212.24,{"idx":189,"utterance_id":190,"speaker_name":8,"text":191,"start_s":192,"end_s":193,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},30,"213832","Si no hay partido, no hay democracia.",212.34,214,{"idx":195,"utterance_id":196,"speaker_name":8,"text":197,"start_s":198,"end_s":199,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},31,"213833","Si hay partidos fuertes, bien estructurados, es una mejora para la democracia.",214.04,218.44,{"idx":201,"utterance_id":202,"speaker_name":8,"text":203,"start_s":204,"end_s":205,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},32,"213834","Si en la sociedad de un país, en una sociedad considerada, no existiera la impunidad, la corrupción seguramente no existiría.",218.9,230.2,{"idx":207,"utterance_id":208,"speaker_name":8,"text":209,"start_s":210,"end_s":211,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},33,"213835","¿O sería muy reducida?",230.78,232,{"idx":213,"utterance_id":214,"speaker_name":8,"text":215,"start_s":216,"end_s":217,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},34,"213836","Vuelvo a decir: no me arrepiento de nada de lo que hice.",232.14,234.54,{"idx":219,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":8,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},35,"213837","Me siento muy triste.",234.58,235.48,{"idx":225,"utterance_id":226,"speaker_name":8,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":229,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},36,"213838","Apesadumbrado, constreñido, pero estoy bien conmigo mismo.",236.08,238.9,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":8,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},37,"213839","Eso es fundamentalmente importante para mí.",239.04,240.82,{"idx":237,"utterance_id":238,"speaker_name":8,"text":239,"start_s":240,"end_s":241,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},38,"213840","Personajes históricos también dejaron sus impresiones.",241.04,244.98,{"idx":243,"utterance_id":244,"speaker_name":8,"text":245,"start_s":246,"end_s":247,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},39,"213841","El capitalismo ya es incompatible con la revolución científica y técnica.",245.68,249.3,{"idx":249,"utterance_id":250,"speaker_name":8,"text":251,"start_s":252,"end_s":253,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},40,"213842","Porque la revolución científica y técnica genera nuevas armas, nuevas máquinas, y cada máquina que entra en la producción significa docenas, cientos, miles de obreros sin trabajo.",249.68,259.56,{"idx":255,"utterance_id":256,"speaker_name":8,"text":257,"start_s":258,"end_s":259,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},41,"213843","El fenómeno que se está produciendo realmente es el desmantelamiento del socialismo.",259.76,266.02,{"idx":261,"utterance_id":262,"speaker_name":8,"text":263,"start_s":264,"end_s":265,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},42,"213844","En algunos, en mayor medida que en otros.",267.2,271.9,{"idx":267,"utterance_id":268,"speaker_name":8,"text":269,"start_s":270,"end_s":271,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},43,"213845","El teatro, la música, la televisión, las artes en general, siempre han tenido espacio.",271.94,277.74,{"idx":273,"utterance_id":274,"speaker_name":8,"text":275,"start_s":276,"end_s":277,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},44,"213846","¿Y nuestros ídolos?",278.88,280,{"idx":279,"utterance_id":280,"speaker_name":8,"text":281,"start_s":282,"end_s":283,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},45,"213847","¿También?",280.38,280.74,{"idx":285,"utterance_id":286,"speaker_name":8,"text":287,"start_s":288,"end_s":289,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},46,"213848","No hay nada que me dé más motivación que eso.",281.28,286.08,{"idx":291,"utterance_id":292,"speaker_name":8,"text":293,"start_s":294,"end_s":295,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},47,"213849","Para que esté el presidente de la República, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, invitamos a los periodistas que durante más tiempo moderaron el Roda Viva.",292.32,299.08,{"idx":297,"utterance_id":298,"speaker_name":8,"text":299,"start_s":300,"end_s":301,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},48,"213850","Con excepción de Jorge Skosteg, nuestro querido compañero fallecido en el 96 y que presentó el programa de 1989 a 1994.",299.58,308.34,{"idx":303,"utterance_id":304,"speaker_name":8,"text":305,"start_s":306,"end_s":307,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},49,"213851","Esta noche contamos con la presencia de Augusto Nunes, columnista del Jornal do Brasil.",308.94,313.3,{"idx":309,"utterance_id":310,"speaker_name":8,"text":311,"start_s":312,"end_s":313,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},50,"213852","y moderador del Roda Viva entre 1987 y 1989.",313.7,316.88,{"idx":315,"utterance_id":316,"speaker_name":8,"text":317,"start_s":318,"end_s":319,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},51,"213853","Heródoto Barbeiro, editor en jefe y presentador del Jornal da Cultura y de la Radio CBN, que estuvo como moderador del Roda Viva entre 1994 y 1995.",317.94,327.06,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":8,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},52,"213854","Roseli Tardelli, directora ejecutiva de la agencia de noticias AIDS, que también presentó el Roda Viva en 1994.",328.56,333.76,{"idx":327,"utterance_id":328,"speaker_name":8,"text":329,"start_s":330,"end_s":331,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},53,"213855","Matina Suzuki, director de la Rede Bom Dia de Jornais y que moderó el programa de 1995 a 1998, y Rodolfo Konder, periodista, presentador del Roda Viva en 1990 y actualmente director cultural de la FMU.",335.44,349.34,{"idx":333,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":8,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},54,"213856","También debía participar el periodista Rodolfo Lamberini, de TV Record, que también presentó el programa, pero no pudo asistir a última hora debido al estreno de un programa en Record.",349.78,361.5,{"idx":80,"utterance_id":339,"speaker_name":8,"text":340,"start_s":341,"end_s":342,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},"213857","El Roda Viva se transmite en cadena nacional de TV para todo Brasil y hoy la participación de los televidentes será por medio de las preguntas enviadas por e-mail, ya que el programa está siendo grabado.",361.6,371.82,{"idx":344,"utterance_id":345,"speaker_name":8,"text":346,"start_s":347,"end_s":348,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},56,"213858","Buenas noches, presidente.",372.26,373.12,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":351,"speaker_name":8,"text":9,"start_s":352,"end_s":353,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},57,"213859",373.14,373.56,{"idx":355,"utterance_id":356,"speaker_name":8,"text":357,"start_s":358,"end_s":359,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},58,"213860","Gracias por su presencia aquí.",373.86,375.38,{"idx":361,"utterance_id":362,"speaker_name":8,"text":363,"start_s":364,"end_s":365,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},59,"213861","Marcon, yo soy quien debe agradecer porque es un honor participar en el Roda Viva cuando está celebrando su milésimo programa.",376.7,387.04,{"idx":367,"utterance_id":368,"speaker_name":8,"text":369,"start_s":370,"end_s":371,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},60,"213862","Y en el año que se cumplen 30 años de la muerte de Vlado, que era director de TV Cultura cuando hicieron la primera entrevista conmigo.",387.94,394.84,{"idx":373,"utterance_id":374,"speaker_name":8,"text":375,"start_s":376,"end_s":377,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},61,"213863","No llegaron a percibirlo, pero mis piernas estaban temblando.",395.54,399.04,{"idx":379,"utterance_id":380,"speaker_name":8,"text":381,"start_s":382,"end_s":383,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},62,"213864","Porque cuando encendieron la luz y pusieron el micrófono frente a mí, casi me desmayo allí.",399.82,404.38,{"idx":385,"utterance_id":386,"speaker_name":8,"text":387,"start_s":388,"end_s":389,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},63,"213865","Pero de cualquier forma es una alegría poder participar con ustedes en el Roda Viva, en este momento histórico del Roda Viva.",405.14,410.78,{"idx":391,"utterance_id":392,"speaker_name":8,"text":393,"start_s":394,"end_s":395,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},64,"213866","Presidente, voy a empezar yendo directo al punto.",411.26,413.32,{"idx":397,"utterance_id":398,"speaker_name":8,"text":399,"start_s":400,"end_s":401,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},65,"213867","Desde que surgió esta crisis política, usted ha hecho algunas declaraciones en cadena nacional, en entrevistas y en la inauguración de actos del propio gobierno.",414.6,424.26,{"idx":403,"utterance_id":404,"speaker_name":8,"text":405,"start_s":406,"end_s":407,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},66,"213868","Pero creo que falta preguntar, para empezar, la siguiente cuestión.",425.42,429.08,{"idx":409,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":8,"text":411,"start_s":412,"end_s":413,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},67,"213869","Usted se ha declarado, en términos generales, una persona que no tuvo conocimiento de los hechos relatados por el exdiputado Roberto Jefferson ni de las principales denuncias que se presentaron en ese período.",429.6,442.4,{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":8,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},68,"213870","Por otro lado, usted también ha dicho en algunas ocasiones que gran parte de eso es lo que usted calificó recientemente, ahora en Nardel Plata, como denuncismo vacío.",442.46,452.38,{"idx":421,"utterance_id":422,"speaker_name":8,"text":423,"start_s":424,"end_s":425,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},69,"213871","La pregunta es: ¿usted no tiene ninguna responsabilidad, es posible... que la sociedad brasileña entienda eso, que el presidente de la república no tiene ninguna responsabilidad sobre esos hechos que escandalizan a la nación?",452.66,464.26,{"idx":427,"utterance_id":428,"speaker_name":8,"text":429,"start_s":430,"end_s":431,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},70,"213872","Primero: el presidente de la república tiene toda la responsabilidad.",464.28,466.78,{"idx":433,"utterance_id":434,"speaker_name":8,"text":435,"start_s":436,"end_s":437,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},71,"213873","Es decir, para bien o para mal, no hay forma de que el presidente de la república diga que no tiene responsabilidad.",467.64,472.78,{"idx":439,"utterance_id":440,"speaker_name":8,"text":441,"start_s":442,"end_s":443,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},72,"213874","Sepa o no sepa, el presidente de la república tiene que asumir la responsabilidad y debe ordenar que se investigue.",473.16,478.26,{"idx":445,"utterance_id":446,"speaker_name":8,"text":447,"start_s":448,"end_s":449,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},73,"213875","Ese es el papel del presidente de la república.",478.92,480.52,{"idx":451,"utterance_id":452,"speaker_name":8,"text":453,"start_s":454,"end_s":455,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},74,"213876","Una cosa que me parece extremadamente grave es que nadie trae escrita en la frente: \"Voy a cometer un ilícito, voy a hacer corrupción\".",481.04,490.28,{"idx":457,"utterance_id":458,"speaker_name":8,"text":459,"start_s":460,"end_s":461,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},75,"213877","Porque cuando el diputado Roberto Jeff hizo la denuncia, fue destituido precisamente porque no probó la denuncia que hizo.",490.74,498.12,{"idx":463,"utterance_id":464,"speaker_name":8,"text":465,"start_s":466,"end_s":467,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},76,"213878","En lo que respecta, por ejemplo, a los messalões.",498.56,501.24,{"idx":469,"utterance_id":470,"speaker_name":8,"text":471,"start_s":472,"end_s":473,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},77,"213879","Lo que él probó es que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) tuvo una práctica de financiamiento de campaña totalmente contraria a la historia del propio partido y eso está siendo investigado en la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación).",502.08,512.76,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":476,"speaker_name":8,"text":477,"start_s":478,"end_s":479,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},78,"213880","Augusto.",513.76,514.12,{"idx":481,"utterance_id":482,"speaker_name":8,"text":483,"start_s":484,"end_s":485,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},79,"213881","Presidente, una duda que Brasil tiene desde hace por lo menos seis meses es la siguiente.",515.2,519.4,{"idx":487,"utterance_id":488,"speaker_name":8,"text":489,"start_s":490,"end_s":491,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},80,"213882","¿Fue veraz el relato hecho por el diputado Roberto Jefferson sobre el encuentro que tuvo con usted en enero de este año?",519.44,526.94,{"idx":493,"utterance_id":494,"speaker_name":8,"text":495,"start_s":496,"end_s":497,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},81,"213883","Ese encuentro fue presenciado por los ministros —entonces ministros— José Dirceu, Aldo Rebelo y el actual ministro aún, Valfrido dos Mares Guia.",527.04,536.34,{"idx":499,"utterance_id":500,"speaker_name":8,"text":501,"start_s":502,"end_s":503,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},82,"213884","¿Él dice específicamente, le contó a usted lo que ocurría sobre las irregularidades del Congreso?",536.66,543.66,{"idx":505,"utterance_id":506,"speaker_name":8,"text":507,"start_s":508,"end_s":509,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},83,"213885","que usted habría quedado muy emocionado, que incluso habría llorado, y que usted lo abrazó agradeciéndole la información que le había proporcionado.",544.84,553.28,{"idx":511,"utterance_id":512,"speaker_name":8,"text":513,"start_s":514,"end_s":515,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},84,"213886","¿Eso ocurrió?",553.3,554.06,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":8,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},85,"213887","¿Fue la primera vez que usted escuchó hablar de ello?",554.86,558.82,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":8,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},86,"213888","¿Ocurrió sin la presencia de Zé Dirceu?",558.84,561.02,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":8,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},87,"213889","Ocurrió en presencia de Valfrido Maris Guias, ocurrió en presencia del líder del PTB y del líder del gobierno actual, Arindo Chinaglia.",561.8,571.06,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":8,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},88,"213890","Pues bien, en la medida en que existe esa insinuación, o esa afirmación de un diputado, ¿qué fue lo que yo hice?",571.66,577.38,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":8,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},89,"213891","Teníamos a Aldo Rebelo como líder del gobierno en el Congreso, teníamos a Alindo Chinagra como líder del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), y les pedí a ambos que explicaran la verdad.",577.84,590.86,{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":8,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},90,"213892","Ellos, categóricamente, dijeron que eso era una obra de ficción, que no existía mensalão dentro del Congreso Nacional.",591.16,597.7,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":8,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":207,"indexable":13},91,"213893","Y por lo que consta hasta ahora, no se ha probado que haya mensalão; hay 513 diputados; hasta ahora lo que fue cassado fue cassado porque contó una inverdad sobre el Congreso Nacional.",598.32,612.38,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":8,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},92,"213894","¿Ahora, usted llegó a llorar en ese encuentro?",612.52,615.68,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":8,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},93,"213895","No, no llegué a llorar; esto incluso fue motivo de una conversación mía con Valfrida, porque Valfrida me dijo: \"Presidente, usted llora muy contenido, porque yo no conseguí percibir que usted llorara\".",615.72,626.46,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":8,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},94,"213896","Pues bien, no lloré, pero me indigné porque esa historia del mensalão en el Congreso Nacional fue muy fuerte en Brasil en la época de la reelección.",627.34,638.14,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":8,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},95,"213897","Ustedes recuerdan 1986, 1996, y que tampoco prosperó, y que no se probó.",639.14,644.76,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":8,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},96,"213898","Hubo denuncia sobre dos diputados, creo que del PFL, que expulsó a los dos.",645.68,650.28,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":8,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},97,"213899","Uno de ellos, inclusive João Maia, que fue fundador del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) en 1980, era socio de Chico Mendes, era abogado o asesor de la CONTAG, pero tampoco se probó.",650.66,660.72,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":8,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},98,"213900","Entonces no es posible.",661.6,662.28,{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":8,"text":603,"start_s":604,"end_s":605,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},99,"213901","para que un presidente de la República esté haciendo política con el \"dijo que dijo\".",663.14,667.42,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":608,"speaker_name":8,"text":609,"start_s":610,"end_s":611,"word_count":397,"indexable":13},100,"213902","Es decir, lo que es importante para mí y que me mantiene muy, muy con la cabeza en alto es lo siguiente: tenemos tres CPI (Comisiones Parlamentarias de Investigación) funcionando, no hay ninguna injerencia del gobierno para crear problema alguno para las CPI; creo que el pueblo brasileño debe aprovechar que yo estoy en la presidencia de la República y si alguien tiene denuncias debe presentarlas porque serán investigadas.",667.44,688.62,{"idx":613,"utterance_id":614,"speaker_name":8,"text":615,"start_s":616,"end_s":617,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},101,"213903","Y creo que hay un sueño que tengo, que ciertamente ustedes tienen, que llegará un día en que lograremos dejar Brasil en limpio.",689.22,696.84,{"idx":619,"utterance_id":620,"speaker_name":8,"text":621,"start_s":622,"end_s":623,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},102,"213904","Quién sabe, con operaciones limpias, como se hizo en Italia, que ciertamente no acabó con la corrupción, pero que resolvió muchos de los problemas que tenía Italia en ese momento.",697.36,707.2,{"idx":625,"utterance_id":626,"speaker_name":8,"text":627,"start_s":628,"end_s":629,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},103,"213905","Presidente, usted dijo ahora que el presidente de la República es el responsable, al menos en teoría, y cuando sabe de algo, ordena que se investigue.",707.48,714.56,{"idx":631,"utterance_id":632,"speaker_name":8,"text":633,"start_s":634,"end_s":635,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},104,"213906","Este lunes, el PFL, a pedido del diputado Ronaldo Coelho, está pidiendo la apertura de un impeachment contra usted.",715.22,720.7,{"idx":637,"utterance_id":638,"speaker_name":8,"text":639,"start_s":640,"end_s":641,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},105,"213907","Quizás incluso acusándolo de responsabilidad.",721.28,723.52,{"idx":643,"utterance_id":644,"speaker_name":8,"text":645,"start_s":646,"end_s":647,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},106,"213908","Me gustaría saber cómo se defenderá usted si realmente se concreta la petición de apertura por parte del PFL de un impeachment contra usted.",724.08,731.24,{"idx":649,"utterance_id":650,"speaker_name":8,"text":651,"start_s":652,"end_s":653,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},107,"213909","Mire, primero, no sé si el PFL tiene autoridad política para pedir el impeachment de un presidente de la república o si tiene argumentos para pedir el impeachment del presidente de la república.",732,741.68,{"idx":655,"utterance_id":656,"speaker_name":8,"text":657,"start_s":658,"end_s":659,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},108,"213910","Todos ustedes son testigos de que la declaración del presidente del PFL fue una declaración que dejó, por lo menos, a la sociedad brasileña democrática atónita.",742.52,752,{"idx":661,"utterance_id":662,"speaker_name":8,"text":663,"start_s":664,"end_s":665,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},109,"213911","¿Por qué?",752.1,752.44,{"idx":667,"utterance_id":668,"speaker_name":8,"text":669,"start_s":670,"end_s":671,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},110,"213912","Atónita.",752.88,753.32,{"idx":673,"utterance_id":674,"speaker_name":8,"text":675,"start_s":676,"end_s":677,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},111,"213913","Porque él dijo que era preciso acabar con esa raza del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), ¿sabe?, por lo menos por 30 años.",753.74,759.7,{"idx":679,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":8,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},112,"213914","En segundo lugar, también hemos visto comentarios en la prensa, hemos leído artículos en los periódicos.",760.22,765.26,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":8,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},113,"213915","gente de los partidos de oposición diciendo que es necesario a toda costa evitar que el presidente Lula sea candidato a la reelección.",766.38,773.66,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":8,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},114,"213916","Vea la ironía del destino.",774.22,775.48,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":8,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},115,"213917","No teníamos reelección en Brasil.",776.52,777.96,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":704,"speaker_name":8,"text":705,"start_s":706,"end_s":707,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},116,"213918","Teníamos un mandato de cinco años sin reelección.",778.7,780.72,{"idx":709,"utterance_id":710,"speaker_name":8,"text":711,"start_s":712,"end_s":713,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},117,"213919","En el 94, porque yo estaba adelante en las encuestas de opinión pública, ¿qué hicieron ellos?",781.52,786.1,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":716,"speaker_name":8,"text":717,"start_s":718,"end_s":719,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},118,"213920","Disminuyeron el mandato.",786.76,787.68,{"idx":721,"utterance_id":722,"speaker_name":8,"text":723,"start_s":724,"end_s":725,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},119,"213921","¿Qué ocurrió?",788.26,788.98,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":728,"speaker_name":8,"text":729,"start_s":730,"end_s":731,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},120,"213922","Fernando Henrique Cardoso ganó las elecciones.",789.42,791.2,{"idx":733,"utterance_id":734,"speaker_name":8,"text":735,"start_s":736,"end_s":737,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},121,"213923","¿Qué pasó después?",791.72,792.66,{"idx":739,"utterance_id":740,"speaker_name":8,"text":741,"start_s":742,"end_s":743,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},122,"213924","En el 96, la tesis de la reelección.",793.22,795.26,{"idx":745,"utterance_id":746,"speaker_name":8,"text":747,"start_s":748,"end_s":749,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},123,"213925","Ahora que soy presidente y que aún no he decidido si voy a ser candidato, por lo tanto nadie tiene que tener miedo de si voy a ser candidato o no, porque no lo he decidido.",795.88,804.1,{"idx":751,"utterance_id":752,"speaker_name":8,"text":753,"start_s":754,"end_s":755,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},124,"213926","Siempre veo, a través de la prensa, de la televisión y de la radio, gente insinuando que sería bueno que yo no fuera candidato otra vez.",805,814.26,{"idx":757,"utterance_id":758,"speaker_name":8,"text":759,"start_s":760,"end_s":761,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},125,"213927","No sé por qué esa preocupación que ellos tienen con el Instituto de la Reelección, que fueron ellos quienes crearon.",815.1,820.5,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":764,"speaker_name":8,"text":765,"start_s":766,"end_s":767,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},126,"213928","Yo, además, estaba en contra porque voté en la Constituyente para que no tuviéramos reelección en Brasil.",821.08,825.44,{"idx":769,"utterance_id":770,"speaker_name":8,"text":771,"start_s":772,"end_s":773,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},127,"213929","Defiendo la tesis de que deberíamos tener un mandato de cinco años sin reelección en Brasil.",825.92,830.9,{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":8,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},128,"213930","Sería mejor para el país.",831.2,832.3,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":8,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},129,"213931","Creo que la alternancia en el poder le hace bien al país.",832.86,835.38,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":8,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},130,"213932","Y ahora, si presentan un pedido de impeachment, será analizado por el presidente de la Cámara de Diputados.",836.32,841.14,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":8,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},131,"213933","Me parece hilarante que el PFL intente pedir el impeachment del presidente.",841.78,848.02,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":8,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},132,"213934","Realmente me parece hilarante.",848.88,850.52,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":8,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},133,"213935","No puedo tomar en serio una solicitud de impeachment.",850.6,854,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":812,"speaker_name":8,"text":813,"start_s":814,"end_s":815,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},134,"213936","¿En base a qué, cuál es la prueba, cuál es el delito, posiblemente por las cosas buenas que estamos haciendo?",854.04,860.54,{"idx":817,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":8,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},135,"213937","Presidente, usted hizo un pronunciamiento en la acción y dijo que fue traicionado.",861.22,865.18,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":8,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},136,"213938","Quisiera saber por quién fue usted traicionado.",865.4,867.34,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":8,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},137,"213939","¿Ha evitado usted un contacto más cercano con la prensa?",867.6,870.46,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":8,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":279,"indexable":13},138,"213940","Quisiera saber si usted tiene algo que esconder, nos llamó deselegantes y todo eso, y quisiera que hiciera un breve análisis: ¿cómo cree que la prensa se está comportando con respecto a esta crisis?",870.86,879.72,{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":8,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},139,"213941","Primero, digamos solo lo siguiente: no dije que la prensa fuera deselegante.",879.9,885.6,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":8,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":261,"indexable":13},140,"213942","Hace unos días, en el Itamaraty, recibiendo a la delegación de Jamaica, había un joven, del que no sé a qué diario pertenecía, que gritaba a los gritos 'presidente, presidente'; yo estaba recibiendo a la delegación de Jamaica, y yo dije: ¿y la educación?",886.18,899.58,{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":8,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},141,"213943","Eso fue todo.",901.3,901.72,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":8,"text":861,"start_s":862,"end_s":863,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},142,"213944","Además, algo tan cotidiano que ni sabía que iba a dar pie a comentarios en los otros periódicos.",902.26,907.72,{"idx":865,"utterance_id":866,"speaker_name":8,"text":867,"start_s":868,"end_s":869,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},143,"213945","Luego, Roseli, algo muy sincero.",909.9,912.96,{"idx":871,"utterance_id":872,"speaker_name":8,"text":873,"start_s":874,"end_s":875,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},144,"213946","Dije en una de mis declaraciones que me sentía traicionado.",913.06,916.5,{"idx":877,"utterance_id":878,"speaker_name":8,"text":879,"start_s":880,"end_s":881,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},145,"213947","¿Y por qué me sentía traicionado?",917.12,918.44,{"idx":883,"utterance_id":884,"speaker_name":8,"text":885,"start_s":886,"end_s":887,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},146,"213948","Porque sé lo que pasé para crear ese partido.",919.28,923.3,{"idx":889,"utterance_id":890,"speaker_name":8,"text":891,"start_s":892,"end_s":893,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},147,"213949","Sé cuánto recorrí este país.",924.08,925.86,{"idx":895,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":8,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},148,"213950","Salía de São Paulo hasta Acre para hacer un mitin para dos personas.",926.6,930.38,{"idx":901,"utterance_id":902,"speaker_name":8,"text":903,"start_s":904,"end_s":905,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},149,"213951","Salía de São Paulo a Basilea para hablar con los dirigentes sindicales.",931,934.36,{"idx":907,"utterance_id":908,"speaker_name":8,"text":909,"start_s":910,"end_s":911,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},150,"213952","Llegaba allí a las tres o cuatro de la tarde, reunía a tres o cuatro compañeros.",934.74,938.42,{"idx":913,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":8,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},151,"213953","Hice la campaña de '82 vendiendo camisetas.",939.18,941.76,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":8,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},152,"213954","Anunciaba desde mi tribuna que compraran camisetas para poder financiar mi campaña.",941.92,946.44,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":8,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},153,"213955","Hubo días en que no viajaba porque no había gasolina y sobrevivimos.",946.92,949.92,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":8,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},154,"213956","¿Por qué fui traicionado?",950.32,951.24,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":8,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":291,"indexable":13},155,"213957","Porque algunos compañeros, algunos compañeros... y no quiero prejuzgar ni citar nombres, porque espero que la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) concrete su trabajo y después el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal) investigue, y luego la Justicia juzgue, tuvieron un comportamiento que no se avenía con la historia del PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores).",951.94,970.54,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":8,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},156,"213958","El dinero fácil nunca le hizo bien a nadie en la historia de la humanidad.",971.58,976.12,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":8,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},157,"213959","Se dispone de medios legales para financiar campañas, hay criterios, hay normas, se rinde cuentas.",977.08,984.1,{"idx":955,"utterance_id":956,"speaker_name":8,"text":957,"start_s":958,"end_s":959,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},158,"213960","Entonces no puedo admitir que compañeros, en nombre de la facilidad o en nombre de la presunción, empezaran a tercerizar la financiación de la campaña de un partido.",984.54,994.18,{"idx":961,"utterance_id":962,"speaker_name":8,"text":963,"start_s":964,"end_s":965,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},159,"213961","Por eso creo que fui traicionado por todos los que llevaron a cabo esa práctica, condenada por el PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores) y condenada por la sociedad brasileña.",995.7,1004.62,{"idx":967,"utterance_id":968,"speaker_name":8,"text":969,"start_s":970,"end_s":971,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},160,"213962","¿Por qué ha evitado a la prensa, presidente?",1006.16,1010.28,{"idx":973,"utterance_id":974,"speaker_name":8,"text":975,"start_s":976,"end_s":977,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},161,"213963","No he evitado a la prensa.",1010.3,1011.18,{"idx":979,"utterance_id":980,"speaker_name":8,"text":981,"start_s":982,"end_s":983,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},162,"213964","De vez en cuando se crean algunas verdades.",1011.2,1014.64,{"idx":985,"utterance_id":986,"speaker_name":8,"text":987,"start_s":988,"end_s":989,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},163,"213965","que no son tan verdaderas.",1015.3,1016.54,{"idx":991,"utterance_id":992,"speaker_name":8,"text":993,"start_s":994,"end_s":995,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},164,"213966","Mire, no sé si en la historia de Brasil hubo un presidente de la República que haga tantos pronunciamientos diarios como los que hago yo.",1016.64,1024.24,{"idx":997,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":8,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},165,"213967","Tendría que cansarme de mí mismo.",1024.94,1026.6,{"idx":1003,"utterance_id":1004,"speaker_name":8,"text":1005,"start_s":1006,"end_s":1007,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},166,"213968","Tendría que hacer ocho pronunciamientos.",1027.22,1029.3,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":8,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},167,"213969","Tendría que hacer seis.",1029.62,1030.7,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":8,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},168,"213970","Mire, es un discurso del presidente de la República que, bien o mal, debe ser noticia, al menos para algunos periódicos interesados, para una radio o para una televisión.",1031.16,1043.24,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":8,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},169,"213971","Los ministros dan entrevistas a toda hora.",1045.1,1047.66,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":8,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},170,"213972","No creo prudente que un presidente de la República dé entrevistas cada semana o cada mes.",1048.22,1053.08,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":8,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},171,"213973","Quién sabe, quién sabe, si eso que usted está diciendo es un pecado original de un presidente que no da entrevistas, puedo dar entrevistas.",1053.36,1064.04,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":8,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},172,"213974","Además, ¿sabe una cosa?",1064.4,1065.84,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":8,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},173,"213975","Me gusta.",1066.26,1066.74,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":8,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},174,"213976","Me gusta dar entrevistas.",1067.6,1068.72,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":8,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},175,"213977","Me gustan los desafíos.",1069.2,1070.4,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":8,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},176,"213978","Me gustan las... determinadas provocaciones en el debate.",1071.02,1075.8,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":8,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},177,"213979","Así que no hay ningún problema.",1076.54,1077.52,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":8,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},178,"213980","Es solo una forma de trabajar que creo que es más correcta.",1077.62,1081.26,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":8,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},179,"213981","Pero lo voy a analizar; si no lo es, quién sabe, los cansaré a ustedes con entrevistas.",1081.82,1086.16,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":8,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},180,"213982","Presidente, entre los posibles traidores, ¿usted incluiría al exministro José Gisseu?",1087.64,1092.78,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":8,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},181,"213983","Mire, dije hace un momento que no iba a citar nombres, porque espero el resultado final de la investigación.",1092.8,1099,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":8,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},182,"213984","¿Cuál es la norma?",1099.66,1100.3,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":8,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},183,"213985","La CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) va a investigar.",1100.32,1101.22,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":8,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},184,"213986","va a presentar su informe, el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal) investigará y remitirá, la Justicia va a juzgar.",1101.74,1108.48,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":8,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},185,"213987","Voy a repetir: todos aquellos que cometieron prácticas equivocadas, condenadas por el PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores) y condenadas por la sociedad brasileña, creo que traicionaron un principio que el PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores) había puesto en práctica en este país.",1108.88,1123.96,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":8,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},186,"213988","Y por eso pagarán.",1124.86,1125.98,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":8,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},187,"213989","Siempre digo lo siguiente: cuando uno comete el error, no hay amigo ni enemigo; es decir, las personas deben ser juzgadas en igualdad de condiciones y deben ser castigadas.",1126.36,1134.26,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":8,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":303,"indexable":13},188,"213990","Y creo que el PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores) tiene una nueva dirección, creo que el PT tendrá un nuevo procedimiento, tendrá un nuevo comportamiento y creo que el PT recuperará aquella imagen que el PT consiguió construir a lo largo de 20 años junto a la sociedad brasileña.",1134.74,1149.9,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":8,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},189,"213991","De ahí que... de vez en cuando me quedo analizando el nerviosismo, la irritación de nuestras oposiciones.",1150.38,1156.36,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":8,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},190,"213992","Yo fui oposición a muchos gobiernos.",1156.82,1159.16,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":8,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":80,"indexable":13},191,"213993","Creo, si se fija en mi rostro en los debates, que nunca fui tan irritable, nunca fui tan nervioso como veo a mi oposición, que son gente que debería tener un poco más de cuidado al hablar, un poco más de cautela, investigar mejor, para que luego puedan hacer acusaciones a cualquier persona.",1160.36,1177.04,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":8,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},192,"213994","He aprendido en mi vida.",1177.4,1178.5,{"idx":1165,"utterance_id":1166,"speaker_name":8,"text":1167,"start_s":1168,"end_s":1169,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},193,"213995","Y creo que ustedes, más que nadie, saben eso.",1179.08,1181.84,{"idx":1171,"utterance_id":1172,"speaker_name":8,"text":1161,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},194,"213996",1181.92,1182.84,{"idx":1176,"utterance_id":1177,"speaker_name":8,"text":1178,"start_s":1179,"end_s":1180,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},195,"213997","Y después de hacer muchas acusaciones, solo puedes acusar a alguien si tienes pruebas o indicios muy sólidos.",1183.36,1193.56,{"idx":1182,"utterance_id":1183,"speaker_name":8,"text":1184,"start_s":1185,"end_s":1186,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},196,"213998","Una vez vi a un diputado ser condenado y luego demostrarse que no tenía nada, que fue al Seneguerra.",1194.46,1200.12,{"idx":1188,"utterance_id":1189,"speaker_name":8,"text":1190,"start_s":1191,"end_s":1192,"word_count":231,"indexable":13},197,"213999","Vi lo que se hizo con la escuela de base allá en São Paulo, en la que se denigró la escuela, a la familia del dueño de la escuela, y después se demuestra que es inocente y ya no se recupera.",1200.76,1210.54,{"idx":1194,"utterance_id":1195,"speaker_name":8,"text":1196,"start_s":1197,"end_s":1198,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},198,"214000","Así que creo que lo que necesitamos afirmar claramente es que tenemos instituciones sólidas.",1211,1215.9,{"idx":1200,"utterance_id":1201,"speaker_name":8,"text":1202,"start_s":1203,"end_s":1204,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},199,"214001","¿Recuerdan que este país se imaginaba que no podía hacer el impeachment de un presidente porque la casa se iba a caer y todo el mundo estaba medio preocupado por el régimen militar?",1216.24,1223.84,{"idx":1206,"utterance_id":1207,"speaker_name":8,"text":1208,"start_s":1209,"end_s":1210,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},200,"214002","Hicimos el impeachment del Mudo Collor y Brasil continuó con tranquilidad.",1224.26,1227.66,{"idx":1212,"utterance_id":1213,"speaker_name":8,"text":1214,"start_s":1215,"end_s":1216,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},201,"214003","Todo el mundo pensaba, y muchos presidentes evitaron las CPI (Comisiones Parlamentarias de Investigación), que Brasil no soporta ser gobernado por las CPI.",1228.1,1234.22,{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":8,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},202,"214004","Tenemos tres.",1234.48,1235.42,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":8,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},203,"214005","Si quieren crear cuatro, que las creen.",1235.96,1237.3,{"idx":1230,"utterance_id":1231,"speaker_name":8,"text":1232,"start_s":1233,"end_s":1234,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},204,"214006","Si quieren crear cinco, que las creen.",1237.36,1238.8,{"idx":1236,"utterance_id":1237,"speaker_name":8,"text":1238,"start_s":1239,"end_s":1240,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},205,"214007","Solo quiero que creen todas las CPI (Comisiones Parlamentarias de Investigación) que quieran crear, pero que nunca pierdan de vista que el Congreso Nacional tiene que votar las cosas que pueden cambiar la historia de este país.",1239.18,1251.86,{"idx":1242,"utterance_id":1243,"speaker_name":8,"text":1244,"start_s":1245,"end_s":1246,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},206,"214008","Y vamos a contribuir con las investigaciones porque... Uno de los sueños que tengo en la vida es que mis nietos puedan vivir en un país en el que no exista la corrupción.",1252.88,1263.06,{"idx":1248,"utterance_id":1249,"speaker_name":8,"text":1250,"start_s":1251,"end_s":1252,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},207,"214009","Usted habló de historia, presidente.",1265.18,1267.12,{"idx":1254,"utterance_id":1255,"speaker_name":8,"text":1256,"start_s":1257,"end_s":1258,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},208,"214010","Siempre creímos que la historia tenía un sentido.",1268.02,1271.8,{"idx":1260,"utterance_id":1261,"speaker_name":8,"text":1262,"start_s":1263,"end_s":1264,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},209,"214011","Pensábamos, en mi caso, que caminaba en dirección al socialismo.",1272.58,1276.68,{"idx":1266,"utterance_id":1267,"speaker_name":8,"text":1268,"start_s":1269,"end_s":1270,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},210,"214012","Luego hubo una serie de cambios y hoy eso es una cuestión a discutir.",1276.76,1282.38,{"idx":1272,"utterance_id":1273,"speaker_name":8,"text":1274,"start_s":1275,"end_s":1276,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},211,"214013","¿Usted todavía cree?",1282.42,1283.38,{"idx":1278,"utterance_id":1279,"speaker_name":8,"text":1280,"start_s":1281,"end_s":1282,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},212,"214014","¿en el sentido de la historia?",1284.1,1285.22,{"idx":1284,"utterance_id":1285,"speaker_name":8,"text":1286,"start_s":1287,"end_s":1288,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},213,"214015","Y si usted cree, ¿en qué dirección cree usted que la humanidad se está encaminando?",1285.42,1289.46,{"idx":193,"utterance_id":1290,"speaker_name":8,"text":1291,"start_s":1292,"end_s":1293,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},"214016","Primero, creo en el sentido de la historia.",1291.32,1293.1,{"idx":1295,"utterance_id":1296,"speaker_name":8,"text":1297,"start_s":1298,"end_s":1299,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},215,"214017","Y creo que la historia es posiblemente la gran enseñanza para que los que vendrán después acierten más que los que se fueron.",1294.12,1303.1,{"idx":1301,"utterance_id":1302,"speaker_name":8,"text":1303,"start_s":1304,"end_s":1305,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},216,"214018","Cuando, por ejemplo, tuvimos la caída del Muro de Berlín, ¿qué nos enseñó la historia?",1304.82,1310.26,{"idx":1307,"utterance_id":1308,"speaker_name":8,"text":1309,"start_s":1310,"end_s":1311,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},217,"214019","No existe ningún régimen más fantástico.",1311.7,1314.48,{"idx":1313,"utterance_id":1314,"speaker_name":8,"text":1315,"start_s":1316,"end_s":1317,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},218,"214020","Por muchos problemas que tengan, no hay ninguno mejor que la democracia.",1316.06,1319.04,{"idx":1319,"utterance_id":1320,"speaker_name":8,"text":1321,"start_s":1322,"end_s":1323,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},219,"214021","No existe.",1319.7,1320.24,{"idx":1325,"utterance_id":1326,"speaker_name":8,"text":1327,"start_s":1328,"end_s":1329,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},220,"214022","La democracia no es algo a medias.",1320.9,1324.52,{"idx":1331,"utterance_id":1332,"speaker_name":8,"text":1333,"start_s":1334,"end_s":1335,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},221,"214023","Es algo completo.",1325.18,1327.1,{"idx":1337,"utterance_id":1338,"speaker_name":8,"text":1339,"start_s":1340,"end_s":1341,"word_count":207,"indexable":13},222,"214024","Porque hacer política en un país que tiene prensa libre, hacer política en un país que tiene sindicatos libres, hacer política en un país que tiene, ya sabe, un Congreso Nacional libre, que tiene organización partidaria libre.",1327.86,1342.72,{"idx":1343,"utterance_id":1344,"speaker_name":8,"text":1345,"start_s":1346,"end_s":1347,"word_count":321,"indexable":13},223,"214025","que tiene a los estudiantes haciendo lo que entiendan hacer, puede ser difícil, pero es mucho más sano para el futuro de la humanidad que usted intente autointitulándose dueño de la verdad y hacer únicamente la política que interesa a un partido, a una religión, a una corriente sindical o a una persona.",1343.28,1364.68,{"idx":1349,"utterance_id":1350,"speaker_name":8,"text":1351,"start_s":1352,"end_s":1353,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},224,"214026","Por eso creo que la historia nos enseña mucho; tenemos muchos errores.",1365.34,1369.68,{"idx":1355,"utterance_id":1356,"speaker_name":8,"text":1357,"start_s":1358,"end_s":1359,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},225,"214027","en el pasado y, por lo tanto, ahora tenemos la oportunidad de corregir.",1370.34,1373.18,{"idx":1361,"utterance_id":1362,"speaker_name":8,"text":1363,"start_s":1364,"end_s":1365,"word_count":267,"indexable":13},226,"214028","Recuerdo una frase que dije, que no fue muy aceptada por algunos compañeros en la época del Partidão, cuando dije, gracias a Dios, cayó el muro de Berlín, porque ahora la izquierda va a tener el derecho, ya sabe, de pensar de nuevo.",1373.5,1388.22,{"idx":1367,"utterance_id":1368,"speaker_name":8,"text":1369,"start_s":1370,"end_s":1371,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},227,"214029","Tendrá el derecho de crear cosas nuevas, tendrá el derecho de pensar en el futuro.",1388.66,1392.66,{"idx":1373,"utterance_id":1374,"speaker_name":8,"text":1375,"start_s":1376,"end_s":1377,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},228,"214030","No está todo escrito.",1392.9,1393.9,{"idx":1379,"utterance_id":1380,"speaker_name":8,"text":1381,"start_s":1382,"end_s":1383,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},229,"214031","Podremos reescribir la historia.",1394.9,1397.08,{"idx":1385,"utterance_id":1386,"speaker_name":8,"text":1387,"start_s":1388,"end_s":1389,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},230,"214032","Y creo que eso es lo que está ocurriendo hoy.",1397.56,1399.56,{"idx":1391,"utterance_id":1392,"speaker_name":8,"text":1393,"start_s":1394,"end_s":1395,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},231,"214033","Bueno, presidente, pusimos en internet, en la página de TV Cultura, un espacio para que la gente hiciera preguntas.",1400.5,1408.14,{"idx":211,"utterance_id":1397,"speaker_name":8,"text":1398,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},"214034","Y recibimos 1.500 correos electrónicos hasta anoche, siendo que la mayor parte de ellos, el 25%, trataban preguntas relativas a la cuestión de la corrupción.",1408.74,1417.8,{"idx":1402,"utterance_id":1403,"speaker_name":8,"text":1404,"start_s":1405,"end_s":1406,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},233,"214035","Entonces, seleccioné aquí una pregunta de Adriano Montinho, de Bahía, tiene 34 años, que dice lo siguiente.",1418.4,1425,{"idx":1408,"utterance_id":1409,"speaker_name":8,"text":1410,"start_s":1411,"end_s":1412,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},234,"214036","Su Excelencia dijo el pasado sábado que la denuncia sobre el Banco do Brasil... Su participación en el llamado Valeiro Duto era absurda.",1425.54,1432.02,{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":8,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},235,"214037","¿Cómo explica eso y al mismo tiempo cómo considera las denuncias que fueron hechas anteriormente por Roberto Gênesis?",1432.48,1439.02,{"idx":1420,"utterance_id":1421,"speaker_name":8,"text":1422,"start_s":1423,"end_s":1424,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},236,"214038","Ana, primero la cuestión del Banco do Brasil.",1439.74,1442,{"idx":1426,"utterance_id":1427,"speaker_name":8,"text":1428,"start_s":1429,"end_s":1430,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},237,"214039","Dije en una entrevista que di en Mar del Plata que había una declaración del relator.",1442.92,1449.78,{"idx":1432,"utterance_id":1433,"speaker_name":8,"text":1434,"start_s":1435,"end_s":1436,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},238,"214040","El entendimiento del relator sobre una partida de publicidad del Banco do Brasil.",1450.66,1455.72,{"idx":1438,"utterance_id":1439,"speaker_name":8,"text":1440,"start_s":1441,"end_s":1442,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},239,"214041","del Banco do Brasil contradiciendo esa nota.",1458.68,1461.4,{"idx":1444,"utterance_id":1445,"speaker_name":8,"text":1446,"start_s":1447,"end_s":1448,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},240,"214042","Mire, a partir de ahí, no le corresponde al Presidente de la República decir que el relator tenía la verdad absoluta o que el Banco do Brasil tenía la verdad absoluta.",1461.7,1469.54,{"idx":1450,"utterance_id":1451,"speaker_name":8,"text":1452,"start_s":1453,"end_s":1454,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},241,"214043","A partir de ahí, tenemos dos versiones.",1470.1,1471.86,{"idx":1456,"utterance_id":1457,"speaker_name":8,"text":1458,"start_s":1459,"end_s":1460,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},242,"214044","¿Y quién tiene que hacer la investigación, quién es?",1472.24,1474.2,{"idx":1462,"utterance_id":1463,"speaker_name":8,"text":1464,"start_s":1465,"end_s":1466,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},243,"214045","Exactamente la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación).",1474.62,1476.28,{"idx":1468,"utterance_id":1469,"speaker_name":8,"text":1470,"start_s":1471,"end_s":1472,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},244,"214046","Pero ¿usted no dijo también que era denuncismo vacío?",1476.3,1478.82,{"idx":1474,"utterance_id":1475,"speaker_name":8,"text":1476,"start_s":1477,"end_s":1478,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},245,"214047","Creo, creo que... ¿Puedo entrar en eso después de que yo hable de la segunda parte de su pregunta?",1479.12,1484.6,{"idx":1480,"utterance_id":1481,"speaker_name":8,"text":1482,"start_s":1483,"end_s":1484,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},246,"214048","Creo que... Roberto Jefferson fue cazado exactamente porque no probó el Mensalão.",1485.52,1494.48,{"idx":1486,"utterance_id":1487,"speaker_name":8,"text":1488,"start_s":1489,"end_s":1490,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},247,"214049","Y no creo que haya existido esa barbarie en la política nacional.",1494.98,1499.66,{"idx":1492,"utterance_id":1493,"speaker_name":8,"text":1494,"start_s":1495,"end_s":1496,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},248,"214050","Puede haber otro tipo de corrupción, puede haber otro tipo de implicación, pero ya está probado que el Mensalão va a... Creo que la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) va a constatar que no existe.",1501.48,1510.54,{"idx":1498,"utterance_id":1499,"speaker_name":8,"text":1500,"start_s":1501,"end_s":1502,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},249,"214051","Van a perseguir a diputados por otras razones.",1510.6,1512.3,{"idx":1504,"utterance_id":1505,"speaker_name":8,"text":1506,"start_s":1507,"end_s":1508,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},250,"214052","Estoy convencido de eso.",1513.24,1514.46,{"idx":1510,"utterance_id":1511,"speaker_name":8,"text":1512,"start_s":1513,"end_s":1514,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},251,"214053","No van a perseguir por causa del Mensalão.",1514.5,1517.4,{"idx":1516,"utterance_id":1517,"speaker_name":8,"text":1518,"start_s":1519,"end_s":1520,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},252,"214054","Y, por lo tanto, creo que Roberto Jefferson prestó, y sólo después de esa EPI lo tendremos claro, un perjuicio a la nación brasileña, porque a partir de ahí tuvimos... una política de echar sospechas sobre todo el mundo.",1518.44,1538.44,{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":8,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},253,"214055","Presidente, ¿no era él aliado del gobierno?",1538.46,1540.22,{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":8,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},254,"214056","¿El PTB no formaba parte de la base aliada del gobierno?",1541.1,1543.3,{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":8,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},255,"214057","Caramba, pero Fernandinho Miramar era hijo de su madre, por lo tanto era el hijo que ella quería tener.",1543.32,1547.56,{"idx":1540,"utterance_id":1541,"speaker_name":8,"text":1542,"start_s":1543,"end_s":1544,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},256,"214058","Ella quería tener otro hijo.",1548.16,1549.18,{"idx":1546,"utterance_id":1547,"speaker_name":8,"text":1548,"start_s":1549,"end_s":1550,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},257,"214059","¿Usted le prometió a él un cheque en blanco?",1549.2,1552.06,{"idx":1552,"utterance_id":1553,"speaker_name":8,"text":1554,"start_s":1555,"end_s":1556,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},258,"214060","No es verdad.",1552.08,1552.34,{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":8,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},259,"214061","No, usted declaró.",1552.72,1553.54,{"idx":1564,"utterance_id":1565,"speaker_name":8,"text":1566,"start_s":1567,"end_s":1568,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},260,"214062","No declaré, no declaré, no declaré, Augusto.",1553.84,1556.5,{"idx":1570,"utterance_id":1571,"speaker_name":8,"text":1572,"start_s":1573,"end_s":1574,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},261,"214063","Y usted sabe que yo no soy de declarar.",1557.04,1558.52,{"idx":1576,"utterance_id":1577,"speaker_name":8,"text":1578,"start_s":1579,"end_s":1580,"word_count":267,"indexable":13},262,"214064","Sucede que con el presidente de la República, no soy yo el primero en quejarme, todos se quejan: la gente viene a hablar con el presidente y después cada uno allá afuera interpreta lo que le parece mejor interpretar.",1559.04,1570.86,{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":8,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},263,"214065","No hice una reunión con Roberto Jefferson, hice una reunión con la mesa de la Cámara de Diputados, todos los diputados, todos los diputados.",1571.38,1580.3,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":8,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},264,"214066","En ningún momento... Se discutió un cheque en blanco.",1580.62,1584.62,{"idx":1594,"utterance_id":1595,"speaker_name":8,"text":1596,"start_s":1597,"end_s":1598,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},265,"214067","Estoy casado con doña Marisa desde hace 31 años.",1585.02,1588.12,{"idx":1600,"utterance_id":1601,"speaker_name":8,"text":1602,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},266,"214068","Y el único cheque en blanco, además, el único cheque que se utiliza en mi hogar es doña Marisa.",1588.44,1593.84,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":8,"text":1608,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1610,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},267,"214069","No tendría ningún sentido... Su palabra habló en un sentido síncrono.",1595.24,1598.04,{"idx":1612,"utterance_id":1613,"speaker_name":8,"text":1614,"start_s":1615,"end_s":1616,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},268,"214070","No hablé y no hablé.",1598.06,1598.9,{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":8,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},269,"214071","Después de la cena en su casa.",1598.92,1599.76,{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":8,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},270,"214072","No fue cena, fue en un desayuno, con la mesa de la Cámara de Diputados.",1599.78,1602.94,{"idx":1630,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":8,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},271,"214073","¿Usted nunca cenó con él?",1602.98,1603.84,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":8,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},272,"214074","Con...",1604.44,1604.62,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":8,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},273,"214075","Roberto Jefferson.",1605.16,1605.76,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":8,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},274,"214076","Cené, cené, cené en su casa.",1605.78,1609.46,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":8,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},275,"214077","No, no, no.",1609.54,1611.5,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":8,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},276,"214078","Esa conversación surgió aquí, en este salón de abajo, en un desayuno con la presidencia de la Cámara de Diputados y todos los miembros de la mesa.",1611.88,1620.96,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":8,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},277,"214079","A mí, dar un cheque en blanco me resulta muy difícil.",1621.16,1625.44,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":8,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},278,"214080","Presidente, si es un denuncismo vacío y si el diputado Roberto Jefferson no tiene razón en nada de lo que dijo, ¿por qué el exministro José Dirceu terminó cayendo?",1626.2,1634.8,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":8,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},279,"214081","No estoy diciendo que sea denuncismo vacío.",1635.06,1636.84,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":8,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},"214082","Estoy diciendo que hay una mezcla de denuncias que son verídicas y cuando se investigan se llega a la conclusión de que tienen indicios de pruebas que dan base para una gran investigación.",1637.32,1648.38,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":8,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},281,"214083","Pero estoy diciendo que cuando se pone todo en el mismo caldero, se puede... Mire, yo, por ejemplo, ya he apartado a casi 50 funcionarios públicos.",1649.2,1658.18,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":8,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},282,"214084","Ciertamente en medio de esos hay gente inocente.",1658.6,1661.38,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":8,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},283,"214085","Ciertamente.",1662.06,1662.64,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":8,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},284,"214086","Pero me vi obligado a apartarlos porque estaban involucrados... junto con otras personas, en el mismo lugar de trabajo.",1663.26,1669.88,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":8,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},285,"214087","Ciertamente, cometimos errores.",1670.54,1672.38,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":8,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},286,"214088","Y creo que en la política es muy difícil que uno haga un juicio precipitado y juzgue a las personas.",1672.98,1678.92,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":8,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},287,"214089","Creo que hay un intento de echar sospechas sobre todo el mundo, sin que uno tenga el compromiso de probar.",1679.58,1687.28,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":8,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},288,"214090","Creo.",1688.14,1688.5,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":8,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},289,"214091","Por lo tanto, creo que el papel de la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) en este instante es el de investigar.",1688.9,1692.4,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":8,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},290,"214092","La CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) está instalada.",1692.74,1693.82,{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":8,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},291,"214093","Hay tres CPI (Comisiones Parlamentarias de Investigación), tienen que investigar.",1694.14,1696.48,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":8,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},292,"214094","Después eso caerá en manos del Ministerio Público, que investigará.",1696.9,1699.84,{"idx":1761,"utterance_id":1762,"speaker_name":8,"text":1763,"start_s":1764,"end_s":1765,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},293,"214095","Si es necesario que la Policía Federal investigue, investigará.",1700.34,1703,{"idx":1767,"utterance_id":1768,"speaker_name":8,"text":1769,"start_s":1770,"end_s":1771,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},294,"214096","Después eso caerá en manos del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), que juzgará.",1703.38,1706.54,{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":8,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},295,"214097","Así es como funciona.",1707.02,1708.3,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":8,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},296,"214098","Solo creo que las denuncias deben hacerse cuando haya pruebas.",1708.9,1712.22,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":8,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},297,"214099","Si no hay pruebas, por favor, pida a la policía que investigue antes de denunciar, porque si no puede arruinar la vida de una persona.",1712.76,1721.52,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":8,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},298,"214100","Y luego demostrar que es inocente y no recuperar más ese peso.",1721.56,1724.44,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":8,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},299,"214101","Pero él dijo... Un minuto, estaba la cuestión de Zé Dirceu que usted preguntó.",1724.46,1727.88,{"idx":1803,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":8,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},300,"214102","Sí, sí, exactamente.",1727.9,1728.58,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":8,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},301,"214103","Mire, Zé Dirceu, primero cuando ocurrió la denuncia sobre Valdemiro, que hasta ahora tampoco se ha probado nada, está en un proceso de investigación; es verdad que Zé Dirceu quería salir del gobierno.",1728.6,1739.72,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":8,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":303,"indexable":13},302,"214104","Le dije, Zé, pero si usted está diciendo que no tiene nada que ver con Valdemiro, y usted va a salir porque están atacando a Valdemiro... Es decir, no puede montar un gobierno, porque a cada uno que sea denunciado usted lo aparta; es decir, cambia a todo el mundo cada mes.",1739.78,1753.48,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":8,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},303,"214105","Pero Zé Dirceu se quedó.",1754.32,1755.22,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":8,"text":1829,"start_s":1830,"end_s":1831,"word_count":344,"indexable":13},304,"214106","En la segunda fase, cuando empezaron a atacar mucho a Zé Dirceu, tuve una reunión con Zé Dirceu y le dije a Zé Dirceu, Zé Dirceu, creo que ha llegado el momento, sabe, de que piense que no es mejor volver al Congreso Nacional, porque allí está el centro del debate sobre la crisis.",1755.92,1774.36,{"idx":1833,"utterance_id":1834,"speaker_name":8,"text":1835,"start_s":1836,"end_s":1837,"word_count":261,"indexable":13},305,"214107","Y usted... Es un diputado que tuvo más de 500 mil votos, usted es una figura de peso nacional, por lo tanto allí creo que podrá hacer mucho más que si se queda dentro del gobierno siendo el blanco de nuestra oposición.",1774.94,1791.16,{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":8,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},306,"214108","Y Zé Dirceu tomó la decisión de volver al Congreso Nacional.",1791.6,1794.46,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":8,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},307,"214109","Allí él solo se está defendiendo, presidente.",1794.64,1796.7,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":8,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},308,"214110","Desde que volvió no hizo un ataque.",1796.8,1799.06,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":8,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},309,"214111","Está en una defensiva que deberá llevarlo a la destitución.",1799.08,1802.3,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":8,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},310,"214112","No sé cuál es la táctica o cuál es la estrategia.",1802.38,1804.92,{"idx":1869,"utterance_id":1870,"speaker_name":8,"text":1871,"start_s":1872,"end_s":1873,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},311,"214113","Eso es como dicho; la palabra 'estrategia' siempre me confunde.",1804.94,1807.66,{"idx":1875,"utterance_id":1876,"speaker_name":8,"text":1877,"start_s":1878,"end_s":1879,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},312,"214114","Pero, de cualquier forma, creo que Zé Dirceu tiene experiencia política, porque feliz es el país que tiene a un político de la magnitud de Zé Dirceu; tiene coraje.",1807.68,1818.4,{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":8,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},313,"214115","y inteligencia para hacer el enfrentamiento.",1818.92,1821.38,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":8,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},314,"214116","Si él estableció que la táctica en este momento es esa...",1821.8,1824.4,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":8,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},315,"214117","¿Usted sería testigo de su defensa, presidente?",1824.56,1827.78,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":8,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},316,"214118","Lo soy, porque ahora, ¿cuál es la prueba que hay contra Zé Dirceu?",1827.8,1830.82,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":8,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},317,"214119","Le pregunto a usted, Augusto Nunes, ¿cuál es la acusación que hay contra Zé Dirceu?",1831.66,1836.78,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":8,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},318,"214120","De que él haya comandado el esquema de transferencias de fondos...",1836.98,1841.42,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":8,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},319,"214121","El esquema del Mensalão... No, no.",1841.44,1843.22,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":8,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},320,"214122","Transferencia de fondos, evidentemente, hubo.",1843.76,1845.58,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":8,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},321,"214123","Acusación, no hubo.",1845.66,1846.76,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":8,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},322,"214124","Transferencia de fondos, sí.",1847.4,1848.96,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":8,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},323,"214125","Mire, ¿cuál era la tesis original?",1849.18,1852.3,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":8,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},324,"214126","La tesis original era que usted tenía dinero público, sabe, en las cuentas del PT (Partido dos Trabalhadores).",1852.86,1858.24,{"idx":1953,"utterance_id":1954,"speaker_name":8,"text":1955,"start_s":1956,"end_s":1957,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},325,"214127","Y es lo que está aprobando la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación).",1858.8,1860,{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":8,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},326,"214128","Hasta ahora no hay.",1862.32,1863.14,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":8,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},327,"214129","Esa historia del Banco do Brasil puede ser el hilo del ovillo.",1865.74,1867.76,{"idx":1971,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":8,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},328,"214130","Puede ser.",1867.78,1867.94,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":8,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},329,"214131","Vamos a esperar para ver si lo es. Lo que no puedo hacer es dar eso por verdadero, ¿sabe por qué?",1867.96,1872.26,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":8,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},330,"214132","Porque si no estaría cometiendo una injusticia.",1872.72,1874.74,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":8,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},331,"214133","Acabo de decir: hay un relator haciendo unas afirmaciones, está el Banco do Brasil haciendo otras afirmaciones; ahora, con base en las dos informaciones es que se va a juzgar.",1875.32,1885.46,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":8,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},332,"214134","Zé Dirceu fue acusado por Roberto Jefferson de montar una cuadrilla, y sobre todo una cuadrilla para pagar el 'mensalão'.",1886.04,1893.98,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":8,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},333,"214135","Estoy esperando que el Congreso Nacional... por sus 513 diputados, por su presidente, o por quien sea, le dé a la sociedad brasileña el veredicto, la señal.",1894.82,1906.12,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":8,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},334,"214136","Al fin y al cabo, ¿hubo o no hubo el 'Mensalão'?",1906.44,1908.98,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":8,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},335,"214137","¿La expectativa del señor es que no hubo?",1909.04,1910.46,{"idx":2019,"utterance_id":2020,"speaker_name":8,"text":2021,"start_s":2022,"end_s":2023,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},336,"214138","Estoy seguro de que no hubo.",1911.6,1913.16,{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":8,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},337,"214139","Presidente, pero... Estoy seguro por una razón muy simple.",1913.22,1916.32,{"idx":2031,"utterance_id":2032,"speaker_name":8,"text":2033,"start_s":2034,"end_s":2035,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},338,"214140","Tomé la iniciativa en 2003 para votar las dos cosas más importantes que pusimos a votación, que eran la reforma tributaria y la reforma de la Previsión Social.",1916.5,1926.32,{"idx":2037,"utterance_id":2038,"speaker_name":8,"text":2039,"start_s":2040,"end_s":2041,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},339,"214141","Hicimos casi un pacto con 27 gobernadores de Estado y acordamos la votación conjunta dentro del Congreso Nacional.",1927.08,1935.9,{"idx":2043,"utterance_id":2044,"speaker_name":8,"text":2045,"start_s":2046,"end_s":2047,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},340,"214142","Estoy convencido, estoy convencido, de que ese asunto del 'mensalão' agita un poco el folclore dentro del Congreso Nacional.",1937.5,1944.8,{"idx":2049,"utterance_id":2050,"speaker_name":8,"text":2051,"start_s":2052,"end_s":2053,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},341,"214143","Puede haber otro tipo de cosas que los diputados puedan saber, pero no creo que haya 'mensalão'.",1945.18,1951.02,{"idx":2055,"utterance_id":2056,"speaker_name":8,"text":2057,"start_s":2058,"end_s":2059,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},342,"214144","Presidente, usted hace un momento hizo una defensa muy bonita de la democracia.",1951.06,1956.18,{"idx":2061,"utterance_id":2062,"speaker_name":8,"text":2063,"start_s":2064,"end_s":2065,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},343,"214145","Usted luchó contra la dictadura, estuvo preso, en fin, pagó el precio por luchar por la democracia.",1956.74,1962.48,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":8,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},344,"214146","Se observa que la cuestión democrática está muy presente desde el punto de vista interno.",1963.4,1969.18,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":8,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},345,"214147","Ahora, ¿y nuestra política exterior?",1969.66,1971.56,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":8,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},346,"214148","¿Hasta qué punto cree usted que también debe tener ese compromiso con la democracia?",1971.74,1976.72,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":8,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},347,"214149","Nunca, nunca, Rodolfo, hemos tenido tanta democracia en la política exterior.",1977.66,1981.76,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":8,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},348,"214150","Nunca.",1982,1982.38,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":8,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},349,"214151","Vea que... Hoy Brasil tiene una posición de liderazgo en América del Sur, en América Latina.",1984.16,1991.76,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":8,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},350,"214152","Brasil muchas veces es invitado por Chávez para resolver sus problemas con los Estados Unidos.",1992.72,1998.06,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":8,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},351,"214153","Y al mismo tiempo somos invitados por los Estados Unidos para ayudar a resolver problemas con Chávez.",1998.6,2002.68,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":8,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},352,"214154","Y entonces recuerdo mi historia política.",2003.08,2004.78,{"idx":2121,"utterance_id":2122,"speaker_name":8,"text":2123,"start_s":2124,"end_s":2125,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},353,"214155","Cuando surgí en el movimiento sindical, algunas personas del 'partidão' decían: este tipo es agente de la CIA.",2004.84,2010.68,{"idx":2127,"utterance_id":2128,"speaker_name":8,"text":2129,"start_s":2130,"end_s":2131,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},354,"214156","Y los de derecha decían: él es comunista.",2012.04,2014.88,{"idx":2133,"utterance_id":2134,"speaker_name":8,"text":2135,"start_s":2136,"end_s":2137,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},355,"214157","Entonces, creo que siempre me he situado entre aquellas personas que se definen por el camino del medio.",2015.78,2022.62,{"idx":2139,"utterance_id":2140,"speaker_name":8,"text":2141,"start_s":2142,"end_s":2143,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},356,"214158","Es decir, Brasil hoy desempeña un papel en su política exterior como jamás lo había desempeñado en otro momento de su historia.",2023.42,2030.02,{"idx":2145,"utterance_id":2146,"speaker_name":8,"text":2147,"start_s":2148,"end_s":2149,"word_count":769,"indexable":13},357,"214159","Y no por causa del presidente Lula, no por causa del Itamaraty, sino por un conjunto de factores que están ocurriendo en la política internacional que permitieron... que Brasil desempeñara ese papel destacado, sobre todo a partir del momento en que decidimos privilegiar la relación con América del Sur y recuperar el Mercosul, cuando luego decidimos tener una nueva actitud hacia el continente africano, cuando decidimos juntar a los países árabes con los países de América del Sur, cuando decidimos crear el G20, eso fue el hito de todo esto, porque el G20 permitió que India, China, Sudáfrica, Brasil y otros países de similar envergadura se pusieran juntos para enfrentar en los organismos, en las instituciones multilaterales, la defensa de los intereses comunes de esos países.",2030.7,2083.14,{"idx":2151,"utterance_id":2152,"speaker_name":8,"text":2153,"start_s":2154,"end_s":2155,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},358,"214160","Así creamos mucha más fuerza, nos hicimos mucho más fuertes desde el punto de vista de los intereses colectivos del G20 y por primera vez estamos muy cerca.",2083.16,2092.64,{"idx":2157,"utterance_id":2158,"speaker_name":8,"text":2159,"start_s":2160,"end_s":2161,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},359,"214161","Muy cerca, Rodolfo, de lograr un acuerdo en la Organización Mundial del Comercio.",2093.14,2097.94,{"idx":2163,"utterance_id":2164,"speaker_name":8,"text":2165,"start_s":2166,"end_s":2167,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},360,"214162","Y ustedes vieron el discurso del presidente Bush ayer, diciendo que los Estados Unidos van a hacer su parte.",2098.28,2104.52,{"idx":2169,"utterance_id":2170,"speaker_name":8,"text":2171,"start_s":2172,"end_s":2173,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},361,"214163","Reducirá los subsidios agrícolas y espera que Europa los reduzca.",2104.98,2108.48,{"idx":2175,"utterance_id":2176,"speaker_name":8,"text":2177,"start_s":2178,"end_s":2179,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},362,"214164","Estamos cerca.",2108.82,2109.6,{"idx":2181,"utterance_id":2182,"speaker_name":8,"text":2183,"start_s":2184,"end_s":2185,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},363,"214165","Y yo, particularmente, estoy muy confiado.",2109.9,2111.5,{"idx":2187,"utterance_id":2188,"speaker_name":8,"text":2189,"start_s":2190,"end_s":2191,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},364,"214166","Presidente, voy a pedir permiso a usted para volver al tema de la política interna.",2111.62,2116.14,{"idx":2193,"utterance_id":2194,"speaker_name":8,"text":2195,"start_s":2196,"end_s":2197,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},365,"214167","En su opinión, ¿hay participación directa o indirecta del PT o de miembros del PT en el asesinato del alcalde Celso Daniel?",2116.9,2124.74,{"idx":2199,"utterance_id":2200,"speaker_name":8,"text":2201,"start_s":2202,"end_s":2203,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},366,"214168","No hay.",2125.76,2125.98,{"idx":2205,"utterance_id":2206,"speaker_name":8,"text":2207,"start_s":2208,"end_s":2209,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},367,"214169","Matinas, me siento consternado y profundamente dolido, porque Celso era un hermano.",2127.8,2134.64,{"idx":2211,"utterance_id":2212,"speaker_name":8,"text":2213,"start_s":2214,"end_s":2215,"word_count":279,"indexable":13},368,"214170","Celso era un compañero al que yo había llamado para coordinar el programa de gobierno y ciertamente, si Celso estuviera vivo, Celso, que en mi opinión era el administrador público más competente de este país, en lo que respecta a alcaldías, estaría trabajando conmigo.",2135.64,2153.28,{"idx":2217,"utterance_id":2218,"speaker_name":8,"text":2219,"start_s":2220,"end_s":2221,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},369,"214171","Nuestro compañero Celso Daniel fue asesinado, vea, y usted ya tiene, sabe, el resultado de la Policía Civil de São Paulo.",2155.26,2163.34,{"idx":2223,"utterance_id":2224,"speaker_name":8,"text":2225,"start_s":2226,"end_s":2227,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},370,"214172","Tiene usted el resultado de la Policía Federal, que yo pedí al presidente Fernando Henrique Cardoso que enviara a la Policía Federal a investigar para que no quedara sólo bajo las órdenes de la Policía Civil de São Paulo.",2163.36,2176.7,{"idx":2229,"utterance_id":2230,"speaker_name":8,"text":2231,"start_s":2232,"end_s":2233,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},371,"214173","Y tanto la Policía Federal como la Policía Civil dieron el caso por cerrado y lo trataron como un caso común.",2176.72,2181.96,{"idx":2235,"utterance_id":2236,"speaker_name":8,"text":2237,"start_s":2238,"end_s":2239,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},372,"214174","Ahora, extrañamente, cada vez que se acerca un año electoral, este caso sale a la luz de nuevo, intentando transformar a la víctima.",2182.76,2192.34,{"idx":2241,"utterance_id":2242,"speaker_name":8,"text":2243,"start_s":2244,"end_s":2245,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},373,"214175","No me gusta.",2193,2193.64,{"idx":2247,"utterance_id":2248,"speaker_name":8,"text":2249,"start_s":2250,"end_s":2251,"word_count":255,"indexable":13},374,"214176","Creo que las personas que tratan el caso de la muerte de Celso Daniel de la manera en que lo están haciendo deberían tener mucho más respeto por la relación que Celso tenía con el PT y que el PT tenía con Celso.",2195.46,2209.84,{"idx":2253,"utterance_id":2254,"speaker_name":8,"text":2255,"start_s":2256,"end_s":2257,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},375,"214177","Creo que incluso la familia, porque la familia está involucrada en esa relación.",2209.86,2213.8,{"idx":2259,"utterance_id":2260,"speaker_name":8,"text":2261,"start_s":2262,"end_s":2263,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},376,"214178","No conozco a la familia.",2213.82,2214.88,{"idx":2265,"utterance_id":2266,"speaker_name":8,"text":2261,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},377,"214179",2215.6,2216.2,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":8,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},378,"214180","Hasta donde tengo entendido, fui amigo de Celso casi 25 años de mi vida.",2216.26,2222.54,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":8,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},379,"214181","Yo, en realidad, no tuve ninguna convivencia con sus hermanos.",2223.42,2226.92,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":8,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":291,"indexable":13},380,"214182","Significa que era tan cercano a Celso, porque usted sabe que Santo André está muy cerca de São Bernardo y que yo hacía mucha campaña en Santo André, que visitaba a menudo los actos públicos de Santo André y no conocía a los hermanos de Celso.",2226.96,2241.22,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":8,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},381,"214183","Entonces significa que puede ser que no existía esa cercanía entre los hermanos.",2241.28,2245.56,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":8,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},382,"214184","Esta pregunta es de Luciana Begoso Silva, de São Paulo.",2245.98,2248.7,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":8,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},383,"214185","Ella tiene 28 años y dice lo siguiente.",2249.18,2251.06,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":8,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},384,"214186","Para que la economía crezca, será necesario que a partir de diciembre y durante todo el año 2006, las tasas de interés bajen.",2251.48,2258.42,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":8,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},385,"214187","¿Usted cree que eso va a suceder y que la inflación será idéntica en 2005 y 2006?",2258.98,2264.62,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":8,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},386,"214188","Primero, las tasas de interés ya están bajando.",2265.54,2266.96,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":8,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},387,"214189","Poco, pero ya han bajado.",2268.34,2269.28,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":8,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},388,"214190","Muy poco.",2269.38,2269.78,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":8,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},389,"214191","Pero van a bajar, vea, porque... ¿Sabe lo que ocurre en el área económica?",2270.28,2274.2,{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":8,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},390,"214192","Y es importante que esta señora de Bahía haga la pregunta.",2274.68,2278.14,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":8,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},391,"214193","Porque en Brasil... siempre hemos tenido la experiencia de las soluciones mágicas.",2279.26,2284.58,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":8,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},392,"214194","Era raro un ministro de Economía que no decidiera inventar una moda.",2285.82,2293.76,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":8,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},393,"214195","Y entonces se ve el 'plano verão', 'plano préstamo', 'plano colo' y van inventando.",2295.16,2301.06,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":8,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},394,"214196","Y pocos meses después eso no funciona y la sociedad queda con pérdida tras pérdida, pérdida tras pérdida.",2301.26,2308.84,{"idx":2372,"utterance_id":2373,"speaker_name":8,"text":2374,"start_s":2375,"end_s":2376,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},395,"214197","Pues bien, ¿qué estamos haciendo?",2308.86,2311.66,{"idx":2378,"utterance_id":2379,"speaker_name":8,"text":2380,"start_s":2381,"end_s":2382,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},396,"214198","Primero, le estamos diciendo a la sociedad brasileña que no hay magia en la política económica.",2312.34,2316.74,{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":8,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},397,"214199","Hay seriedad y hay reglas del juego muy claras.",2317.88,2323.78,{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":8,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},398,"214200","¿Y qué estamos logrando en este momento?",2324.9,2326.94,{"idx":2396,"utterance_id":2397,"speaker_name":8,"text":2398,"start_s":2399,"end_s":2400,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},399,"214201","Una combinación de factores positivos que hace muchos años no existía en la economía brasileña.",2327.6,2333.9,{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":8,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},400,"214202","Sabe que Brasil siempre, cuando decidía exportar, sacrificaba el mercado interno.",2333.98,2341.18,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":8,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},401,"214203","O cuando decidía crecer, la inflación superaba los dos dígitos.",2341.94,2345.44,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":8,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},402,"214204","¿Qué está ocurriendo en este momento en la economía brasileña?",2345.86,2348.44,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":8,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},403,"214205","La economía está creciendo.",2349.1,2351.18,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":8,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},404,"214206","Las exportaciones están creciendo.",2351.98,2353.9,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":8,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},405,"214207","El superávit de la cuenta corriente está creciendo.",2354.54,2357.42,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":8,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},406,"214208","Tenemos el superávit de la balanza comercial batiendo un récord tras otro.",2358.3,2362.86,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":8,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},407,"214209","Hay un aumento del ahorro interno.",2362.9,2364.8,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":8,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},408,"214210","Hay un aumento de la masa salarial.",2365.24,2367.08,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":8,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},409,"214211","Y hay un aumento del empleo.",2367.74,2369.56,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":8,"text":2464,"start_s":2465,"end_s":2466,"word_count":285,"indexable":13},410,"214212","Es importante recordar que si usted hace un estudio de la diferencia entre los trabajadores despedidos y los admitidos, es decir, lo que es el Caged, todo trabajador que es contratado es comunicado al Ministerio de Trabajo y todos los que son despedidos son comunicados al Ministerio de Trabajo.",2370.22,2386.74,{"idx":2468,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":8,"text":2470,"start_s":2471,"end_s":2472,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},411,"214213","La diferencia positiva en ocho años del gobierno pasado fue de ocho mil mensuales.",2387.12,2393.02,{"idx":2474,"utterance_id":2475,"speaker_name":8,"text":2476,"start_s":2477,"end_s":2478,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},412,"214214","Nuestro promedio de 34 meses... Son 107 mil empleos mensuales, es decir, más de 12 veces, más generación de puestos de trabajo.",2394.16,2404.18,{"idx":2480,"utterance_id":2481,"speaker_name":8,"text":2482,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},413,"214215","Además, ¿qué está ocurriendo?",2404.78,2406.36,{"idx":2486,"utterance_id":2487,"speaker_name":8,"text":2488,"start_s":2489,"end_s":2490,"word_count":243,"indexable":13},414,"214216","La inflación está, ya sabe, y va a quedarse por debajo de 5, va a quedar en 5, y tenemos la canasta básica disminuyendo, es decir, el poder adquisitivo del trabajador puede comprar más canasta básica de lo que podía comprar anteriormente.",2406.38,2420.44,{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":8,"text":2494,"start_s":2495,"end_s":2496,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},415,"214217","Entonces, la situación es la siguiente: tenemos...",2421.38,2425.14,{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":8,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},416,"214218","Estabilidad económica, tenemos generación de empleos y está el Bolsa Família, que es el mayor programa de transferencia de renta con condicionalidad del mundo, es decir, atendiendo ya este mes.",2425.92,2439.78,{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":8,"text":2506,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2507,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},417,"214219","8 millones de familias en todos los municipios.",2443.78,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":8,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},418,"214220","Usted prometió 11 millones de empleos, presidente.",2443.88,2446.8,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":8,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},419,"214221","¿Usted va a lograr alcanzar ese número?",2446.82,2448.92,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":8,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},420,"214222","Primero, yo no prometí, usted ya aumentó uno.",2449.46,2451.3,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":8,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},421,"214223","La prensa de entonces decía 10.",2452.12,2453.72,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":8,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},422,"214224","¿Qué está escrito en el programa?",2454.84,2457.9,{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":8,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},423,"214225","¿al que usted puede tener acceso?",2457.96,2459.5,{"idx":2545,"utterance_id":2546,"speaker_name":8,"text":2547,"start_s":2548,"end_s":2549,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},424,"214226","Lo que está escrito es que constatábamos que Brasil necesitaría crear 10 millones de puestos de trabajo.",2459.96,2466.7,{"idx":2551,"utterance_id":2552,"speaker_name":8,"text":2553,"start_s":2554,"end_s":2555,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},425,"214227","Ya hemos creado ahora en 34 meses.",2467.32,2469.66,{"idx":2557,"utterance_id":2558,"speaker_name":8,"text":2559,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2560,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},426,"214228","3.576.000 nuevos empleos con contrato formal.",2475.88,{"idx":2562,"utterance_id":2563,"speaker_name":8,"text":2564,"start_s":2565,"end_s":2566,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},427,"214229","Si usted imagina lo que está surgiendo de empleo en este país, el crédito consignado.",2476.38,2480.62,{"idx":2568,"utterance_id":2569,"speaker_name":8,"text":2570,"start_s":2571,"end_s":2572,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},428,"214230","Si usted imagina lo que está surgiendo de empleo en este país, el dinero que estamos poniendo en la agricultura familiar brasileña.",2481.06,2487.7,{"idx":2574,"utterance_id":2575,"speaker_name":8,"text":2576,"start_s":2577,"end_s":2578,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},429,"214231","Pasamos de 4.000 millones a 9.000 millones de reales en el plan safra 2005-2006.",2488.12,2493.58,{"idx":2580,"utterance_id":2581,"speaker_name":8,"text":2582,"start_s":2583,"end_s":2584,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},430,"214232","Si usted imagina lo que significa en generación de empleos, la aprobación del estatuto del anciano que colocó 3.000 millones más en el mercado.",2495.4,2502.28,{"idx":2586,"utterance_id":2587,"speaker_name":8,"text":2588,"start_s":2589,"end_s":2590,"word_count":231,"indexable":13},431,"214233","Si usted imagina lo que generan de empleo el microcrédito y las cooperativas que nosotros instituimos en este país, cuando llegue al final del mandato, y yo siempre lo digo, quiero ser juzgado al final de mi mandato.",2502.78,2516.24,{"idx":2592,"utterance_id":2593,"speaker_name":8,"text":2594,"start_s":2595,"end_s":2596,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},432,"214234","Quiero ser juzgado por lo que se hizo.",2516.38,2517.78,{"idx":2598,"utterance_id":2599,"speaker_name":8,"text":2600,"start_s":2601,"end_s":2602,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},433,"214235","No sé si llegaré, pero nosotros vamos a llegar al máximo.",2518.06,2521.28,{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":8,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},434,"214236","al máximo que se creó en estos últimos 22 años.",2522.1,2524.68,{"idx":2610,"utterance_id":2611,"speaker_name":8,"text":2612,"start_s":2613,"end_s":2614,"word_count":261,"indexable":13},435,"214237","Porque cuando hablamos de economía no podemos tener la memoria corta, y ustedes son hombres que forman opinión pública, deben recordar lo siguiente: tuvimos 22 años, voy a repetir, 22 años de estancamiento o de crecimiento muy mediocre.",2525.02,2542.46,{"idx":2616,"utterance_id":2617,"speaker_name":8,"text":2618,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2619,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},436,"214238","22 años, es decir... Una generación de brasileños, desde 1980 hasta 2002, se formó con un crecimiento cero o con un crecimiento muy bajo.",2555.86,{"idx":2621,"utterance_id":2622,"speaker_name":8,"text":2623,"start_s":2624,"end_s":2625,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},437,"214239","Nosotros, en estos tres años, estamos creciendo aquello que Brasil no creció en los últimos 20 años.",2556.3,2563.52,{"idx":2627,"utterance_id":2628,"speaker_name":8,"text":2629,"start_s":2630,"end_s":2631,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},438,"214240","Necesitamos crecer más.",2563.82,2564.7,{"idx":2633,"utterance_id":2634,"speaker_name":8,"text":2635,"start_s":2636,"end_s":2637,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},439,"214241","Lógico que necesitamos y vamos a trabajar para crecer más.",2565.12,2567.82,{"idx":2639,"utterance_id":2640,"speaker_name":8,"text":2641,"start_s":2642,"end_s":2643,"word_count":249,"indexable":13},440,"214242","Por eso estamos abriendo más mercados, por eso aprobamos la innovación tecnológica, por eso aprobamos la medida provisional del bien, por eso hicimos la reforma tributaria, porque queremos crecer más y vamos a crecer.",2568.2,2579.9,{"idx":2645,"utterance_id":2646,"speaker_name":8,"text":2647,"start_s":2648,"end_s":2649,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},441,"214243","Con respecto a esa cuestión económica, señor presidente, me imagino que dentro de esta economía, como todos los partidos políticos tuvieron dificultades para captar dinero para hacer campaña electoral.",2580.34,2589.66,{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":8,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},442,"214244","Me gustaría saber si usted reconoce que fue elegido.",2591.06,2594.06,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":8,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},443,"214245","Con la campaña electoral que fue financiada por la Caja 2 del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores).",2594.94,2597.94,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":8,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},444,"214246","Eso ya lo estamos diciendo como hechos comprobados y declarados, incluso por el PL (Partido Liberal), que es un partido de la base aliada del gobierno, diciendo que uno gastó X y otro gastó Y en la campaña electoral de usted.",2598.7,2607.12,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":8,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},445,"214247","¿Cómo argumenta usted esa cuestión?",2607.86,2610.56,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":8,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},446,"214248","¿haber sido elegido con dinero proveniente de la Caja 2?",2610.6,2613.22,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":8,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},447,"214249","¿Usted cree en eso?",2613.66,2614.56,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":8,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},448,"214250","Quien dijo eso fue un aliado del gobierno, presidente.",2615.08,2618.84,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":8,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},449,"214251","Permítame contarle una cosa.",2619.94,2620.9,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":8,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},450,"214252","Hice una campaña.",2621.04,2622,{"idx":2705,"utterance_id":2706,"speaker_name":8,"text":2707,"start_s":2708,"end_s":2709,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},451,"214253","En la primera vuelta obtuve 49% de los votos, hice una campaña y esa campaña tuvo recursos.",2623.26,2631.52,{"idx":2711,"utterance_id":2712,"speaker_name":8,"text":2713,"start_s":2714,"end_s":2715,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},452,"214254","Y esos recursos están presentados ante la Justicia Electoral de São Paulo, firmados por mí.",2632.42,2637.64,{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":8,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},453,"214255","Mire, lo que veo que algunas personas dicen me huele a... Hay un poco de fantasía.",2637.66,2645.72,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":8,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},454,"214256","Ahora, espera, espera.",2645.96,2646.94,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":8,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},455,"214257","Vi al presidente del PL (Partido Liberal) decir, en una entrevista, en un debate, que había recibido 10 millones de Delúvio para financiar mi campaña.",2647.44,2655.08,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":8,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},456,"214258","Entonces, ¿alguien cree que si Delúvio tuviera 10 millones de reales para darle a él, para financiar la campaña del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), se los daría al PL para que financiara o que el propio Delúvio los hubiera financiado?",2655.98,2665.8,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":8,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},457,"214259","Pero era un partido aliado suyo.",2665.82,2667.3,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":8,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},458,"214260","Pero no hay problema.",2667.32,2668.76,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":8,"text":2755,"start_s":2756,"end_s":2757,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},459,"214261","La elección ya había terminado.",2669.22,2671,{"idx":2759,"utterance_id":2760,"speaker_name":8,"text":2761,"start_s":2762,"end_s":2763,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},460,"214262","La elección para diputado ya había terminado.",2671.1,2673.52,{"idx":2765,"utterance_id":2766,"speaker_name":8,"text":2767,"start_s":2768,"end_s":2769,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},461,"214263","Él ya estaba con su problema.",2674.88,2676.28,{"idx":2771,"utterance_id":2772,"speaker_name":8,"text":2773,"start_s":2774,"end_s":2775,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},462,"214264","Permítame decirle.",2678.2,2678.82,{"idx":2777,"utterance_id":2778,"speaker_name":8,"text":2761,"start_s":2779,"end_s":2780,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},463,"214265",2679.18,2681.98,{"idx":2782,"utterance_id":2783,"speaker_name":8,"text":2784,"start_s":2785,"end_s":2786,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},464,"214266","Por lo tanto, la elección de segunda vuelta era una elección tête-à-tête, presidente Lula y el candidato Serra.",2682.82,2688.98,{"idx":2788,"utterance_id":2789,"speaker_name":8,"text":2790,"start_s":2791,"end_s":2792,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},465,"214267","No hubo, al contrario, no hubo la participación de los partidos aliados en contribuciones para el financiamiento de campaña.",2690.38,2697.28,{"idx":2794,"utterance_id":2795,"speaker_name":8,"text":2796,"start_s":2797,"end_s":2798,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},466,"214268","Lo que sucedió fue que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), según nuestro delúvio, hizo acuerdos.",2697.4,2702.84,{"idx":2800,"utterance_id":2801,"speaker_name":8,"text":2802,"start_s":2803,"end_s":2804,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},467,"214269","para que parte de lo que recaudáramos se diera proporcionalmente en función de la bancada de los partidos.",2703.62,2709.22,{"idx":2806,"utterance_id":2807,"speaker_name":8,"text":2808,"start_s":2809,"end_s":2810,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},468,"214270","Pero ellos reconocieron, presidente, varios testimonios en la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación), del llamado dinero no contabilizado.",2709.6,2714.98,{"idx":2812,"utterance_id":2813,"speaker_name":8,"text":2814,"start_s":2815,"end_s":2816,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},469,"214271","Eso fue de un país entero... Pero eso ya ha sido dicho por Delubio, ya ha sido reconocido por Delubio el delito electoral cometido.",2715.34,2721.32,{"idx":2818,"utterance_id":2819,"speaker_name":8,"text":2820,"start_s":2821,"end_s":2822,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},470,"214272","Ya ha sido dicho por Delubio.",2722.58,2723.82,{"idx":2824,"utterance_id":2825,"speaker_name":8,"text":2826,"start_s":2827,"end_s":2828,"word_count":291,"indexable":13},471,"214273","Todo el mundo aquí sabe que el PP... Entonces usted fue elegido con el dinero del llamado... No, porque la gran parte del dinero... que está en ese embrollo todo, fue para las elecciones de las alcaldías municipales, según el deluve, según... ¿Ese dinero no llegó a la campaña presidencial?",2724.62,2739.48,{"idx":2830,"utterance_id":2831,"speaker_name":8,"text":2832,"start_s":2833,"end_s":2834,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},472,"214274","No llegó a la campaña de 2002, ciertamente no llegó.",2739.5,2741.82,{"idx":2836,"utterance_id":2837,"speaker_name":8,"text":2838,"start_s":2839,"end_s":2840,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},473,"214275","Y en el caso presente, el dinero de Duda Mendonça, que él reconoce que tuvo que recibir por fuera, en cuentas en el exterior, fue para su campaña.",2741.84,2750.88,{"idx":2842,"utterance_id":2843,"speaker_name":8,"text":2844,"start_s":2845,"end_s":2846,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},474,"214276","Pero discúlpeme, no puedo responder por el dinero de Duda Mendonça.",2750.9,2753.54,{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":8,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":243,"indexable":13},475,"214277","No puedo responder, además... El PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) tenía una coordinación de campaña que hizo acuerdos no solo con Duda, sino con todos los que trabajaron en la campaña, desde el chico que servía café hasta Duda Mendonça.",2754.64,2766.68,{"idx":2854,"utterance_id":2855,"speaker_name":8,"text":2856,"start_s":2857,"end_s":2858,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},476,"214278","Y ciertamente, o Delubes ya rindió cuentas en la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación), o Duda va a rendir cuentas en la CPI, y cuando la CPI tenga su informe, sabremos qué fue lo que realmente ocurrió.",2766.72,2776.26,{"idx":2860,"utterance_id":2861,"speaker_name":8,"text":2862,"start_s":2863,"end_s":2864,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},477,"214279","Porque él ya fue castigado con la pérdida de los contratos de publicidad en el Planalto (Palacio Presidencial), presidente?",2776.28,2781.1,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":8,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},478,"214280","Duda.",2781.36,2781.76,{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":8,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},479,"214281","No, porque no era posible tener en la SECOM... a alguien que estaba bajo sospecha en la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación).",2783.88,2791.34,{"idx":2878,"utterance_id":2879,"speaker_name":8,"text":2880,"start_s":2881,"end_s":2882,"word_count":279,"indexable":13},480,"214282","Entonces fue apartado, él continúa con las cuentas que tiene, no sé si tiene cuenta en el Banco do Brasil, en Petrobras, en el BNDES, es decir, quien tiene que romper el contrato es la institución que lo contrató, no es el presidente de la república.",2791.76,2802.82,{"idx":2884,"utterance_id":2885,"speaker_name":8,"text":2886,"start_s":2887,"end_s":2888,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},481,"214283","Presidente, esos partidos aliados suyos, ¿continúan en la base de apoyo del gobierno?",2803.04,2807.74,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":8,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},482,"214284","¿Incluso después de haber arrastrado al gobierno hacia la crisis que está ocurriendo en todo el país?",2808.04,2812.18,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":8,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},483,"214285","¿Y haber levantado las sospechas más chocantes para la población brasileña, para la opinión pública?",2812.54,2816.8,{"idx":2902,"utterance_id":2903,"speaker_name":8,"text":2904,"start_s":2905,"end_s":2906,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},484,"214286","Heródoto, continúan.",2817.18,2818.42,{"idx":2908,"utterance_id":2909,"speaker_name":8,"text":2910,"start_s":2911,"end_s":2912,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},485,"214287","y las personas que dentro de esos partidos cometieron cualquier acto ilícito aparecerán en la investigación.",2819.54,2827.34,{"idx":2914,"utterance_id":2915,"speaker_name":8,"text":2916,"start_s":2917,"end_s":2918,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},486,"214288","Y si aparecen, esas personas serán castigadas.",2827.64,2829.46,{"idx":2920,"utterance_id":2921,"speaker_name":8,"text":2922,"start_s":2923,"end_s":2924,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},487,"214289","Pero, presidente, cuando esa persona dice que financió su campaña, que los partidos financiaron su campaña, que ese dinero vino de la Caja 2 del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), ¿cómo explicar eso a la población?",2829.92,2838.26,{"idx":2926,"utterance_id":2927,"speaker_name":8,"text":2928,"start_s":2929,"end_s":2930,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},488,"214290","Pero ¿por qué usted cree en lo que él dijo y no cree en lo que yo le estoy diciendo?",2838.28,2842.04,{"idx":2932,"utterance_id":2933,"speaker_name":8,"text":2934,"start_s":2935,"end_s":2936,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},489,"214291","Yo creo en lo que usted está diciendo, Jorge.",2842.44,2843.88,{"idx":2938,"utterance_id":2939,"speaker_name":8,"text":2940,"start_s":2941,"end_s":2942,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},490,"214292","Entonces eso es.",2843.9,2844.28,{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":8,"text":2946,"start_s":2947,"end_s":2948,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},491,"214293","Es decir, yo creo... ¿Improbable?",2844.46,2847.4,{"idx":2950,"utterance_id":2951,"speaker_name":8,"text":2952,"start_s":2953,"end_s":2954,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},492,"214294","No lo creo.",2848.72,2849.12,{"idx":2956,"utterance_id":2957,"speaker_name":8,"text":2958,"start_s":2959,"end_s":2960,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},493,"214295","Estoy seguro de que es improbable que el PL (Partido Liberal) haya dado dinero para la campaña presidencial.",2849.8,2856.12,{"idx":2962,"utterance_id":2963,"speaker_name":8,"text":2964,"start_s":2965,"end_s":2966,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},494,"214296","Creo más probable que Delugo haya hecho... Él dijo que recibió el dinero.",2857.14,2862.06,{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":8,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},495,"214297","Creo más probable que Delugo haya hecho la locura... Presidente, perdón.",2862.08,2865.2,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":8,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},496,"214298","Él dijo que recibió el dinero.",2865.62,2866.96,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":8,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},497,"214299","La discusión no es si recibió o no recibió.",2867,2868.88,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":8,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},498,"214300","La discusión en el Congreso Nacional es cuánto recibió.",2869.14,2871.36,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":8,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},499,"214301","El propio Marcos Valério ha discutido con ellos, fue 10, fue 5, fue 4, y recibió, recibió.",2872.28,2877.58,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":8,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},500,"214302","Lo que se está discutiendo es cuánto vino para financiar su campaña en el segundo turno, recibido por el PR.",2877.9,2882.7,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":8,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},501,"214303","Pero eso la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) nos lo va a decir.",2882.96,2885.5,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":8,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},502,"214304","Para eso existe.",2886.96,2887.9,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":8,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},503,"214305","Es para avisarnos.",2888.78,2889.44,{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":8,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},504,"214306","Cuánto fue y qué se hizo con el dinero.",2890.54,2892.38,{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":8,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},505,"214307","Presidente, usted está bien en esa cuestión.",2892.74,2893.84,{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":8,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},506,"214308","Esperemos solo el resultado de la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación), que en vez de que usted y yo estemos discrepando, hablaremos: aquí está el resultado.",2893.86,2899.96,{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":8,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},507,"214309","Y alguien lo va a impugnar.",2900.44,2901.36,{"idx":3046,"utterance_id":3047,"speaker_name":8,"text":3048,"start_s":3049,"end_s":3050,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},508,"214310","O el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal) aprobará, o la Policía Federal investigará, o la Justicia juzgará.",2901.88,2906.48,{"idx":3052,"utterance_id":3053,"speaker_name":8,"text":3054,"start_s":3055,"end_s":3056,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},509,"214311","Presidente, discúlpeme, sentado ahí en esa silla de su puesto, comandando Brasil, ¿qué pretende hacer para que no existan más caixadores en Brasil, por ejemplo?",2906.9,2914.28,{"idx":3058,"utterance_id":3059,"speaker_name":8,"text":3060,"start_s":3061,"end_s":3062,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},510,"214312","¿Qué puede hacer usted, políticamente?",2914.32,2916.42,{"idx":3064,"utterance_id":3065,"speaker_name":8,"text":3066,"start_s":3067,"end_s":3068,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},511,"214313","Tengo un programa antiguo mío en Roda Viva, en el que planteo la cuestión de la necesidad del financiamiento público de campaña.",2916.78,2926.92,{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":8,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},512,"214314","Hay mucha gente que está en contra porque cree que se va a gastar dinero en campaña.",2927.3,2930.24,{"idx":3076,"utterance_id":3077,"speaker_name":8,"text":3078,"start_s":3079,"end_s":3080,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},513,"214315","El financiamiento público es mucho más barato.",2930.86,2933.72,{"idx":3082,"utterance_id":3083,"speaker_name":8,"text":3084,"start_s":3085,"end_s":3086,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},514,"214316","Es mucho más barato.",2934.46,2935.18,{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":8,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},515,"214317","Usted determina el valor de cada voto, distribuye proporcionalmente para cada partido ese dinero, se monta una estructura para fiscalizar y estaremos resolviendo ese problema.",2935.22,2946.18,{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":8,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},516,"214318","Al menos el financiamiento.",2946.82,2947.9,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":8,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},517,"214319","¿Cuál es el otro problema?",2947.92,2949,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":8,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},518,"214320","Es que, en mi opinión, debería prohibirse el dinero privado.",2949.9,2952.46,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":8,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},519,"214321","En segundo lugar, era necesario que tuviéramos... la fidelidad partidaria.",2953.8,2957.32,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":8,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},520,"214322","Para que podamos construir partidos más fuertes.",2958.56,2961.52,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":8,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},521,"214323","Para que la República Brasileña se transforme en una república mucho más fuerte.",2962.02,2965.7,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":8,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},522,"214324","¿Cree que el gobierno se empeñará en esa dirección?",2965.72,2967.72,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":8,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},523,"214325","Porque todos los gobiernos... ya se han empeñado.",2967.84,2970.54,{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":8,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},524,"214326","Hicimos una comisión, coordinada por el ministro Márcio Tomás Bastos, basada en el informe aprobado por la comisión en el Congreso Nacional, que hizo la propuesta de reforma política.",2971.34,2984.7,{"idx":3148,"utterance_id":3149,"speaker_name":8,"text":3150,"start_s":3151,"end_s":3152,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},525,"214327","Planteamos algunos puntos y está allí para ser votada.",2986.28,2988.64,{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":8,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},526,"214328","Y ciertamente hay divergencia, por eso no se vota.",2989.3,2991.66,{"idx":3160,"utterance_id":3161,"speaker_name":8,"text":3162,"start_s":3163,"end_s":3164,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},527,"214329","Cuando no se vota es porque los partidos que están dentro del Congreso Nacional no están de acuerdo.",2992.66,2997.36,{"idx":3166,"utterance_id":3167,"speaker_name":8,"text":3168,"start_s":3169,"end_s":3170,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},528,"214330","Y ahí, mi estimado, no hay nada que hacer.",2997.46,2999.3,{"idx":3172,"utterance_id":3173,"speaker_name":8,"text":3174,"start_s":3175,"end_s":3176,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},529,"214331","El Congreso tiene soberanía para votar.",3000.14,3002.68,{"idx":3178,"utterance_id":3179,"speaker_name":8,"text":3180,"start_s":3181,"end_s":3182,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},530,"214332","Usted habló del ministro Marcos Tomás Bastos.",3002.7,3005.28,{"idx":3184,"utterance_id":3185,"speaker_name":8,"text":3186,"start_s":3187,"end_s":3188,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},531,"214333","Ese referéndum que se realizó recientemente dio un resultado inesperado.",3006.14,3011.98,{"idx":3190,"utterance_id":3191,"speaker_name":8,"text":3192,"start_s":3193,"end_s":3194,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},532,"214334","El 'no' fue aprobado.",3012.36,3013.7,{"idx":3196,"utterance_id":3197,"speaker_name":8,"text":3198,"start_s":3199,"end_s":3200,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},533,"214335","Una mayoría abrumadora.",3014.12,3015.26,{"idx":3202,"utterance_id":3203,"speaker_name":8,"text":3204,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},534,"214336","¿Cómo interpretó usted eso?",3015.68,3017.2,{"idx":3208,"utterance_id":3209,"speaker_name":8,"text":3210,"start_s":3211,"end_s":3212,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},535,"214337","Esa cuestión de la seguridad que va a ser tan importante, inclusive, para el año que viene, para el año de campaña.",3017.28,3022.78,{"idx":3214,"utterance_id":3215,"speaker_name":8,"text":3216,"start_s":3217,"end_s":3218,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},536,"214338","¿Cómo interpretó usted ese resultado?",3023.1,3025.36,{"idx":3220,"utterance_id":3221,"speaker_name":8,"text":3222,"start_s":3223,"end_s":3224,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},537,"214339","Bueno, algunos, de forma muy rápida, intentaron presentar esto como una derrota del gobierno.",3025.8,3031.92,{"idx":3226,"utterance_id":3227,"speaker_name":8,"text":3228,"start_s":3229,"end_s":3230,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},538,"214340","Primero, el gobierno tuvo una victoria, porque aprobó el Estatuto del Desarme.",3032.56,3036.68,{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":8,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},539,"214341","La segunda victoria fue que más de 400.000 armas fueron recibidas.",3037.54,3043.3,{"idx":3238,"utterance_id":3239,"speaker_name":8,"text":3240,"start_s":3241,"end_s":3242,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},540,"214342","por el gobierno.",3043.86,3044.56,{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":8,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},541,"214343","Tercero, desde 1990 esta es la primera vez que disminuyen los homicidios en Brasil.",3045.18,3051.16,{"idx":3250,"utterance_id":3251,"speaker_name":8,"text":3252,"start_s":3253,"end_s":3254,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},542,"214344","Cuarto, el plebiscito fue algo propuesto por la Cámara de Diputados y por el Congreso Nacional.",3052.12,3059.56,{"idx":3256,"utterance_id":3257,"speaker_name":8,"text":3258,"start_s":3259,"end_s":3260,"word_count":237,"indexable":13},543,"214345","Tanto es así que el plebiscito fue coordinado por dos comisiones del Congreso Nacional que quisieron... ser más realistas que el rey y someterlo a plebiscito para saber si el pueblo quería o no poder comprar armas.",3060.08,3072.68,{"idx":3262,"utterance_id":3263,"speaker_name":8,"text":3264,"start_s":3265,"end_s":3266,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},544,"214346","Y además, creo que la campaña del 'no', desde el punto de vista de la persuasión y del mensaje, fue mucho más fuerte que la campaña del 'sí'.",3072.74,3080.7,{"idx":3268,"utterance_id":3269,"speaker_name":8,"text":3270,"start_s":3271,"end_s":3272,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},545,"214347","La campaña del 'sí' parecía que era la de la mera oposición, y la del 'no' parecía que era la del fin.",3081.16,3085,{"idx":3274,"utterance_id":3275,"speaker_name":8,"text":3276,"start_s":3277,"end_s":3278,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},546,"214348","Entonces, creo que el dato concreto es que el pueblo se manifestó.",3085.74,3088.82,{"idx":3280,"utterance_id":3281,"speaker_name":8,"text":3282,"start_s":3283,"end_s":3284,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},547,"214349","El proceso democrático está garantizado, nadie puede quejarse.",3089.26,3092.54,{"idx":3286,"utterance_id":3287,"speaker_name":8,"text":3288,"start_s":3289,"end_s":3290,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},548,"214350","Creo que el Congreso hizo su parte y creo que ahora debemos encargarnos de cuidar la seguridad con mucho más cuidado.",3093.12,3102.42,{"idx":3292,"utterance_id":3293,"speaker_name":8,"text":3294,"start_s":3295,"end_s":3296,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},549,"214351","Márcio Batista, del Espírito Santo, de 25 años, pregunta lo siguiente.",3103.14,3106,{"idx":3298,"utterance_id":3299,"speaker_name":8,"text":3300,"start_s":3301,"end_s":3302,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},550,"214352","¿Por qué el programa Primer Empleo no despegó?",3106.34,3109.06,{"idx":3304,"utterance_id":3305,"speaker_name":8,"text":3306,"start_s":3307,"end_s":3308,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},551,"214353","En realidad, sí despegó.",3110.28,3112.06,{"idx":3310,"utterance_id":3311,"speaker_name":8,"text":3312,"start_s":3313,"end_s":3314,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},552,"214354","Hicimos una ley, primero, que era prácticamente impeditiva.",3112.54,3115.68,{"idx":3316,"utterance_id":3317,"speaker_name":8,"text":3318,"start_s":3319,"end_s":3320,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},553,"214355","Después el ministro Jacques Zagni propuso el cambio de la propia ley.",3117.08,3120.36,{"idx":3322,"utterance_id":3323,"speaker_name":8,"text":3324,"start_s":3325,"end_s":3326,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},554,"214356","Y hoy tenemos el Primer Empleo; solo tiene que visitar el Ministerio de Trabajo y conversar con el ministro Luiz Marinho para que usted perciba lo que significa el consorcio.",3120.62,3132.56,{"idx":3328,"utterance_id":3329,"speaker_name":8,"text":3330,"start_s":3331,"end_s":3332,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},555,"214357","de la juventud, que es algo que ha generado muchos empleos, muchos empleos.",3133.32,3137.44,{"idx":3334,"utterance_id":3335,"speaker_name":8,"text":3336,"start_s":3337,"end_s":3338,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},556,"214358","El Primer Empleo tiene varias formas de presentarlo.",3137.96,3140.98,{"idx":3340,"utterance_id":3341,"speaker_name":8,"text":3342,"start_s":3343,"end_s":3344,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},557,"214359","Tenemos un programa para la juventud que incluye el ProJove, que incluye escuelas de fábrica, que incluye otros programas de varios ministerios, que en total van a involucrar a 980.000 jóvenes, ¿sabe?",3141.48,3155.24,{"idx":3346,"utterance_id":3347,"speaker_name":8,"text":3348,"start_s":3349,"end_s":3350,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},558,"214360","En el que les estamos proponiendo que vuelvan a estudiar y aprendan una profesión.",3156.06,3161.1,{"idx":3352,"utterance_id":3353,"speaker_name":8,"text":3354,"start_s":3355,"end_s":3356,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},559,"214361","Y mientras estudian y aprenden la profesión, les pagamos una especie de salario, que va de 150 a 100 reais, lo estamos pagando.",3162,3171.06,{"idx":3358,"utterance_id":3359,"speaker_name":8,"text":3360,"start_s":3361,"end_s":3362,"word_count":547,"indexable":13},560,"214362","En algunos casos, los jóvenes están haciendo trabajo comunitario; eso es en convenio con los ayuntamientos; parece que en São Paulo debe haber alrededor de 30.000 jóvenes, en Río de Janeiro alrededor de 29.000 jóvenes, en Recife alrededor de 7.000 jóvenes; es decir, todas las capitales en una asociación entre... el gobierno federal y los ayuntamientos, estamos haciendo un programa para que podamos dar a los jóvenes, sobre todo, información profesional, para que puedan ingresar al mercado de trabajo.",3171.66,3200.62,{"idx":3364,"utterance_id":3365,"speaker_name":8,"text":3366,"start_s":3367,"end_s":3368,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},561,"214363","La segunda cosa que creo muy importante, que está ocurriendo en este momento en Brasil, es el PC conectado.",3200.64,3206.7,{"idx":3370,"utterance_id":3371,"speaker_name":8,"text":3372,"start_s":3373,"end_s":3374,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},562,"214364","Es decir, hicimos un programa especial en el que queremos colocar en el mercado un millón de computadoras.",3206.72,3213.82,{"idx":3376,"utterance_id":3377,"speaker_name":8,"text":3378,"start_s":3379,"end_s":3380,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},563,"214365","para las familias más pobres.",3214.3,3215.78,{"idx":3382,"utterance_id":3383,"speaker_name":8,"text":3384,"start_s":3385,"end_s":3386,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},564,"214366","Aquellas familias más pobres que vayan a comprar una computadora de hasta 2.500 reais, esa computadora no tendrá piso, no tendrá cofins.",3216.28,3224.22,{"idx":3388,"utterance_id":3389,"speaker_name":8,"text":3390,"start_s":3391,"end_s":3392,"word_count":279,"indexable":13},565,"214367","Y además, la familia pobre podrá comprar esa computadora en cuotas que varían, creo, de 60 o 70 reais, para pagar en 24 o 36 meses, porque creemos que a partir de ahí estaremos ante la oportunidad de que Brasil se transforme.",3224.26,3240.98,{"idx":3394,"utterance_id":3395,"speaker_name":8,"text":3396,"start_s":3397,"end_s":3398,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},566,"214368","en un país donde la informática no será un problema para nuestra juventud.",3241.48,3247.22,{"idx":3400,"utterance_id":3401,"speaker_name":8,"text":3402,"start_s":3403,"end_s":3404,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},567,"214369","Presidente, ¿a quién prefiere usted enfrentar en las elecciones del año que viene?",3248.04,3252.54,{"idx":3406,"utterance_id":3407,"speaker_name":8,"text":3408,"start_s":3409,"end_s":3410,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},568,"214370","¿Al gobernador Geraldo Alckmin o al alcalde José Serra?",3252.78,3256.02,{"idx":3412,"utterance_id":3413,"speaker_name":8,"text":3414,"start_s":3415,"end_s":3416,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},569,"214371","Mire, yo no elijo adversario porque no he decidido si voy a ser candidato o no.",3258.2,3262.34,{"idx":3418,"utterance_id":3419,"speaker_name":8,"text":3420,"start_s":3421,"end_s":3422,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},570,"214372","Presidente, ¿no cree usted que si no se postula, esto será interpretado como una especie de renuncia en blanco?",3262.36,3267.9,{"idx":3424,"utterance_id":3425,"speaker_name":8,"text":3426,"start_s":3427,"end_s":3428,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},571,"214373","No, por el contrario.",3268.2,3269.24,{"idx":3430,"utterance_id":3431,"speaker_name":8,"text":3432,"start_s":3433,"end_s":3434,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},572,"214374","¿Cómo puede alguien decir que alguien que no se postula está renunciando, si yo, en teoría, siempre fui contrario a la reelección?",3270.26,3277.18,{"idx":3436,"utterance_id":3437,"speaker_name":8,"text":3438,"start_s":3439,"end_s":3440,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},573,"214375","¿Y qué haría que usted eligiera?",3277.2,3281.02,{"idx":3442,"utterance_id":3443,"speaker_name":8,"text":3444,"start_s":3445,"end_s":3446,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},574,"214376","¿Decidir ser candidato?",3281.32,3283.16,{"idx":3448,"utterance_id":3449,"speaker_name":8,"text":3450,"start_s":3451,"end_s":3452,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},575,"214377","En segundo lugar, para ser candidato usted necesita tener algunas condicionantes.",3283.2,3288.1,{"idx":3454,"utterance_id":3455,"speaker_name":8,"text":3456,"start_s":3457,"end_s":3458,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},576,"214378","No puede ser candidato y que ocurra lo mismo que le pasó al presidente Fernando Henrique Cardoso, que pudo haber terminado bien su primer mandato y terminó el segundo mandato asfixiado.",3289.16,3299.88,{"idx":3460,"utterance_id":3461,"speaker_name":8,"text":3462,"start_s":3463,"end_s":3464,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},577,"214379","O... como el propio presidente Bush lo está viviendo ahora en su segundo mandato.",3300.76,3307.1,{"idx":3466,"utterance_id":3467,"speaker_name":8,"text":3468,"start_s":3469,"end_s":3470,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},578,"214380","O varios gobernadores de Estado que están en situaciones difíciles en su segundo mandato.",3309.92,3314.98,{"idx":3472,"utterance_id":3473,"speaker_name":8,"text":3474,"start_s":3475,"end_s":3476,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},579,"214381","Entonces, lo veo con mucha atención y cuidado.",3315.02,3317.38,{"idx":3478,"utterance_id":3479,"speaker_name":8,"text":3480,"start_s":3481,"end_s":3482,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},580,"214382","No tengo que tomar una decisión ahora.",3317.52,3318.82,{"idx":3484,"utterance_id":3485,"speaker_name":8,"text":3486,"start_s":3487,"end_s":3488,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},581,"214383","Tengo que esperar a que lleguen enero, febrero, marzo, para decirme si voy a ser candidato o no.",3319.38,3324.52,{"idx":3490,"utterance_id":3491,"speaker_name":8,"text":3492,"start_s":3493,"end_s":3494,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},582,"214384","Solo puedo ser candidato si tengo la consistencia de que puedo hacer un segundo mandato mejor que el primero.",3324.94,3331.5,{"idx":3496,"utterance_id":3497,"speaker_name":8,"text":3498,"start_s":3499,"end_s":3500,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},583,"214385","Y si yo... puedo hacer una alianza política que me pueda dar una mayoría concreta en el Congreso Nacional.",3332.16,3340.94,{"idx":3502,"utterance_id":3503,"speaker_name":8,"text":3504,"start_s":3505,"end_s":3506,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},584,"214386","Voy a pensar eso con mucho cuidado; eso no me inquieta.",3341.4,3344.9,{"idx":3508,"utterance_id":3509,"speaker_name":8,"text":3510,"start_s":3511,"end_s":3512,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},585,"214387","Ustedes recuerdan que cuando ingresé al sindicato, fui el primero en tomar la decisión de que el presidente del sindicato no podría ser reelegido.",3345.62,3352.52,{"idx":3514,"utterance_id":3515,"speaker_name":8,"text":3516,"start_s":3517,"end_s":3518,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},586,"214388","Después eso cambió.",3352.56,3353.32,{"idx":3520,"utterance_id":3521,"speaker_name":8,"text":3522,"start_s":3523,"end_s":3524,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},587,"214389","Pero de cualquier forma, creo que la reelección no es un buen instituto, sobre todo para Brasil.",3354.28,3359.34,{"idx":3526,"utterance_id":3527,"speaker_name":8,"text":3528,"start_s":3529,"end_s":3530,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},588,"214390","Creo que no lo es. Si el ciudadano lo hizo bien, sale en el primer mandato, deja que otro administre, cuatro años después vuelve, ¿sabe?",3360.38,3368.32,{"idx":3532,"utterance_id":3533,"speaker_name":8,"text":3534,"start_s":3535,"end_s":3536,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},589,"214391","Es mejor así.",3368.88,3369.48,{"idx":3538,"utterance_id":3539,"speaker_name":8,"text":3540,"start_s":3541,"end_s":3542,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},590,"214392","Entonces quería entender una frase suya, uno de los improvisos recientes que usted pronunció.",3369.5,3373.26,{"idx":3544,"utterance_id":3545,"speaker_name":8,"text":3546,"start_s":3547,"end_s":3548,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},591,"214393","Usted dijo: 'van a tener que tragarme'.",3373.28,3374.94,{"idx":3550,"utterance_id":3551,"speaker_name":8,"text":3552,"start_s":3553,"end_s":3554,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},592,"214394","Primero, ¿tragar dónde?",3375.4,3376.54,{"idx":3556,"utterance_id":3557,"speaker_name":8,"text":3558,"start_s":3559,"end_s":3560,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},593,"214395","En la presidencia, se presume.",3376.6,3377.96,{"idx":3562,"utterance_id":3563,"speaker_name":8,"text":3564,"start_s":3565,"end_s":3566,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},594,"214396","¿Quiénes son 'ellos'?",3378.06,3378.74,{"idx":3568,"utterance_id":3569,"speaker_name":8,"text":3570,"start_s":3571,"end_s":3572,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},595,"214397","Oh, Augusto, pero tienes la manía de tomar solo medias frases.",3379.38,3382.24,{"idx":3574,"utterance_id":3575,"speaker_name":8,"text":3576,"start_s":3577,"end_s":3578,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},596,"214398","No, yo solo estoy anotando todas sus frases aquí.",3382.26,3385.36,{"idx":3580,"utterance_id":3581,"speaker_name":8,"text":3582,"start_s":3583,"end_s":3584,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},597,"214399","Si usted lee la frase completa de lo que dije, usted se daría cuenta de que dije lo siguiente.",3385.38,3388.68,{"idx":3586,"utterance_id":3587,"speaker_name":8,"text":3588,"start_s":3589,"end_s":3590,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},598,"214400","Usted no dijo 'van a tener que tragarme'.",3388.7,3389.86,{"idx":3592,"utterance_id":3593,"speaker_name":8,"text":3594,"start_s":3595,"end_s":3596,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},599,"214401","No, usted va a entender lo que dije.",3389.88,3391.02,{"idx":3598,"utterance_id":3599,"speaker_name":8,"text":3600,"start_s":3601,"end_s":3602,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},600,"214402","Déjeme explicarle, porque si no usted toma una palabra de una frase o de un discurso de media hora, se vuelve difícil.",3391.48,3397.52,{"idx":3604,"utterance_id":3605,"speaker_name":8,"text":3606,"start_s":3607,"end_s":3608,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},601,"214403","Ese discurso fue pronunciado en Garanhuns, con ocasión de la inauguración de la Universidad Federal de Garanhuns.",3397.94,3404.42,{"idx":3610,"utterance_id":3611,"speaker_name":8,"text":3612,"start_s":3613,"end_s":3614,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},602,"214404","Y también por el lanzamiento del Pronaf, en el que dije lo siguiente: dudo que alguien haya oído de mi boca decir que soy candidato.",3405.16,3415,{"idx":3616,"utterance_id":3617,"speaker_name":8,"text":3618,"start_s":3619,"end_s":3620,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},603,"214405","Ni siquiera a mi esposa.",3416.1,3417.12,{"idx":3622,"utterance_id":3623,"speaker_name":8,"text":3624,"start_s":3625,"end_s":3626,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},604,"214406","nunca lo dije.",3417.18,3417.86,{"idx":3628,"utterance_id":3629,"speaker_name":8,"text":3630,"start_s":3631,"end_s":3632,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},605,"214407","Sin embargo... Si decido ser candidato, ellos van a tener que inmolarme.",3418.86,3424.34,{"idx":3634,"utterance_id":3635,"speaker_name":8,"text":3636,"start_s":3637,"end_s":3638,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},606,"214408","Por eso dije: mis adversarios.",3424.66,3426.7,{"idx":3640,"utterance_id":3641,"speaker_name":8,"text":3642,"start_s":3643,"end_s":3644,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},607,"214409","Presidente, una frase entera que usted dijo, presidente, una frase entera que usted dijo.",3429.16,3432.26,{"idx":3646,"utterance_id":3647,"speaker_name":8,"text":3648,"start_s":3649,"end_s":3650,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},608,"214410","Eso lo pusimos al aire en el Jornal da Cultura, nosotros todos los días.",3432.78,3436.02,{"idx":3652,"utterance_id":3653,"speaker_name":8,"text":3654,"start_s":3655,"end_s":3656,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},609,"214411","Usted haciendo una crítica dura a la prensa.",3436.46,3438.18,{"idx":3658,"utterance_id":3659,"speaker_name":8,"text":3660,"start_s":3661,"end_s":3662,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},610,"214412","Usted ahora está hablando del Bolsa Família, está hablando del Primer Empleo, etc.",3438.22,3441.56,{"idx":3664,"utterance_id":3665,"speaker_name":8,"text":3666,"start_s":3667,"end_s":3668,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},611,"214413","Como si no hubiéramos actuado de una manera equitativa e informando",3442.02,3447.78,{"idx":3670,"utterance_id":3671,"speaker_name":8,"text":3672,"start_s":3673,"end_s":3674,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},612,"214414","los avances y las realizaciones que usted ha presentado, que usted ha hecho.",3448.54,3452.42,{"idx":3676,"utterance_id":3677,"speaker_name":8,"text":3678,"start_s":3679,"end_s":3680,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},613,"214415","Me gustaría que usted nos dijera lo siguiente: ¿cree usted que la prensa está linchando a su gobierno?",3452.78,3457.32,{"idx":3682,"utterance_id":3683,"speaker_name":8,"text":3684,"start_s":3685,"end_s":3686,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},614,"214416","¿Cree usted que la prensa solo publica cosas contrarias a su gobierno?",3457.58,3461.28,{"idx":3688,"utterance_id":3689,"speaker_name":8,"text":3690,"start_s":3691,"end_s":3692,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},615,"214417","¿Cree usted que nosotros, en lugar de hablar de economía, de tasas de interés, solo hablamos aquí de crisis política?",3461.3,3464.94,{"idx":3694,"utterance_id":3695,"speaker_name":8,"text":3696,"start_s":3697,"end_s":3698,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},616,"214418","¿Que vamos a un punto y volvemos a la crisis política otra vez?",3465.14,3467.2,{"idx":3700,"utterance_id":3701,"speaker_name":8,"text":3702,"start_s":3703,"end_s":3704,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},617,"214419","¿Esa es la evaluación que usted hace?",3467.66,3468.72,{"idx":3706,"utterance_id":3707,"speaker_name":8,"text":3708,"start_s":3709,"end_s":3710,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},618,"214420","No.",3468.96,3469.16,{"idx":3712,"utterance_id":3713,"speaker_name":8,"text":3714,"start_s":3715,"end_s":3716,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},619,"214421","Creo que la prensa publica aquello que el dueño del diario y el director de redacción entienden que debe ser publicado.",3470.82,3477.78,{"idx":3718,"utterance_id":3719,"speaker_name":8,"text":3720,"start_s":3721,"end_s":3722,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},620,"214422","Creo que hay cosas que deberían tener mayor relevancia y no la tienen.",3479.24,3482.24,{"idx":3724,"utterance_id":3725,"speaker_name":8,"text":3726,"start_s":3727,"end_s":3728,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},621,"214423","Voy a dar un pequeño ejemplo que me indignó.",3482.8,3486.2,{"idx":3730,"utterance_id":3731,"speaker_name":8,"text":3732,"start_s":3733,"end_s":3734,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},622,"214424","Nuestro ministro de Educación fue a Río de Janeiro a hacer el lanzamiento.",3488.1,3492.2,{"idx":3736,"utterance_id":3737,"speaker_name":8,"text":3738,"start_s":3739,"end_s":3740,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},623,"214425","Por primera vez en la historia de Brasil, hemos producido libros en braille para la enseñanza fundamental.",3492.96,3499.48,{"idx":3742,"utterance_id":3743,"speaker_name":8,"text":3744,"start_s":3745,"end_s":3746,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},624,"214426","Fue a realizar el lanzamiento.",3500.98,3501.96,{"idx":3748,"utterance_id":3749,"speaker_name":8,"text":3750,"start_s":3751,"end_s":3752,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},625,"214427","¡Cuál no fue mi sorpresa!",3502.96,3504.28,{"idx":3754,"utterance_id":3755,"speaker_name":8,"text":3756,"start_s":3757,"end_s":3758,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},626,"214428","que había, incluso, artistas de televisión por la telenovela.",3504.36,3508.76,{"idx":3760,"utterance_id":3761,"speaker_name":8,"text":3762,"start_s":3763,"end_s":3764,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},627,"214429","¡Cuál no fue mi sorpresa: que no apareció una nota en ningún diario!",3509.46,3513,{"idx":3766,"utterance_id":3767,"speaker_name":8,"text":3768,"start_s":3769,"end_s":3770,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},628,"214430","Lo que es algo inusitado es que se lancen libros en braille para los estudiantes brasileños.",3513.86,3519.88,{"idx":3772,"utterance_id":3773,"speaker_name":8,"text":3774,"start_s":3775,"end_s":3776,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},629,"214431","Entonces, ¿usted tiene una queja contra la prensa?",3519.9,3521.2,{"idx":3778,"utterance_id":3779,"speaker_name":8,"text":3780,"start_s":3781,"end_s":3782,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},630,"214432","Mire, posiblemente muchas, pero hay algo que estoy obligado a reconocer.",3521.22,3526.56,{"idx":3784,"utterance_id":3785,"speaker_name":8,"text":3786,"start_s":3787,"end_s":3788,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},631,"214433","Primero que no tendríamos democracia si no fuera por la prensa, con virtudes y con defectos.",3527.78,3533.36,{"idx":3790,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":8,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},632,"214434","En segundo lugar, yo no sería presidente de la República si no fuera por la prensa, con virtudes.",3533.38,3538.84,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":8,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},633,"214435","Y con defectos.",3539.32,3540.1,{"idx":3802,"utterance_id":3803,"speaker_name":8,"text":3804,"start_s":3805,"end_s":3806,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},634,"214436","Además, no tendríamos una nación con instituciones tan consolidadas si no fuera por la prensa.",3540.86,3548.18,{"idx":3808,"utterance_id":3809,"speaker_name":8,"text":3810,"start_s":3811,"end_s":3812,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},635,"214437","¿Pero esa prensa está tratando bien a su gobierno?",3548.2,3550.56,{"idx":3814,"utterance_id":3815,"speaker_name":8,"text":3816,"start_s":3817,"end_s":3818,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},636,"214438","No hago juicios.",3550.74,3551.82,{"idx":3820,"utterance_id":3821,"speaker_name":8,"text":3822,"start_s":3823,"end_s":3824,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},637,"214439","Pero usted hizo críticas en un mitin.",3551.84,3553.22,{"idx":3826,"utterance_id":3827,"speaker_name":8,"text":3828,"start_s":3829,"end_s":3830,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},638,"214440","Yo critico.",3553.24,3554.06,{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":8,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},639,"214441","Usted hizo críticas en público.",3554.08,3555.18,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":8,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},640,"214442","Cada vez que me sentí tratado injustamente, tengo derecho a criticar.",3555.28,3559.92,{"idx":3844,"utterance_id":3845,"speaker_name":8,"text":3846,"start_s":3847,"end_s":3848,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},641,"214443","Como la prensa tiene derecho a publicar las críticas contra mí.",3560.5,3563.06,{"idx":3850,"utterance_id":3851,"speaker_name":8,"text":3852,"start_s":3853,"end_s":3854,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},642,"214444","Esa es la democracia.",3563.44,3564.2,{"idx":3856,"utterance_id":3857,"speaker_name":8,"text":3858,"start_s":3859,"end_s":3860,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},643,"214445","¿Qué análisis hace usted de la cobertura que la prensa ha hecho de la crisis?",3564.22,3568.76,{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":8,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},644,"214446","No discuto la cobertura porque, al conversar en este programa, usted me alertó de que yo he tratado mal a la prensa.",3568.8,3575.34,{"idx":3868,"utterance_id":3869,"speaker_name":8,"text":3870,"start_s":3871,"end_s":3872,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},645,"214447","Posiblemente se trate de una reciprocidad.",3576,3579.14,{"idx":3874,"utterance_id":3875,"speaker_name":8,"text":3876,"start_s":3877,"end_s":3878,"word_count":80,"indexable":13},646,"214448","Pero de cualquier forma, creo que la prensa, y lo repetiré para decir lo siguiente: creo que todos nosotros que estamos en el gobierno, y cuando yo estaba en el PT, y cuando estaba en la CUT, y cuando estaba en el sindicato, no hay un solo político que no se queje de la prensa.",3579.64,3595.94,{"idx":3880,"utterance_id":3881,"speaker_name":8,"text":3882,"start_s":3883,"end_s":3884,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},647,"214449","¿Y cuál es la excusa de la prensa?",3596.1,3597.4,{"idx":3886,"utterance_id":3887,"speaker_name":8,"text":3888,"start_s":3889,"end_s":3890,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},648,"214450","Cuando usted era oposición, se quejaba de que no había espacio para la oposición.",3598.38,3602.1,{"idx":3892,"utterance_id":3893,"speaker_name":8,"text":3894,"start_s":3895,"end_s":3896,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},649,"214451","Entonces el periodista decía: 'pero los que están en el gobierno también se quejan de que no hay cobertura'.",3602.7,3607.4,{"idx":3898,"utterance_id":3899,"speaker_name":8,"text":3900,"start_s":3901,"end_s":3902,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},650,"214452","En el fondo, en el fondo, todo el mundo tiene una relación de amor y odio con la prensa.",3607.72,3611.8,{"idx":3904,"utterance_id":3905,"speaker_name":8,"text":3906,"start_s":3907,"end_s":3908,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},651,"214453","Amor cuando salen cosas buenas y odio cuando salen cosas livres.",3613.1,3616.24,{"idx":3910,"utterance_id":3911,"speaker_name":8,"text":3912,"start_s":3913,"end_s":3914,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},652,"214454","Yo, como aprendí a convivir, la mayor parte de mi tiempo sin la prensa, hablan bien de mí.",3616.26,3621.84,{"idx":3916,"utterance_id":3917,"speaker_name":8,"text":3918,"start_s":3919,"end_s":3920,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},653,"214455","Como aprendí, todo el mundo sabe que al principio del sindicato no era fácil; no todos los periódicos cubrían el sindicalismo.",3623.4,3631.06,{"idx":3922,"utterance_id":3923,"speaker_name":8,"text":3924,"start_s":3925,"end_s":3926,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},654,"214456","Aprendí lo siguiente: hay que convivir con la prensa tal como es.",3631.52,3634.64,{"idx":3928,"utterance_id":3929,"speaker_name":8,"text":3930,"start_s":3931,"end_s":3932,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},655,"214457","Y he seleccionado aquí algunas preguntas, señor presidente.",3635.24,3637.84,{"idx":3934,"utterance_id":3935,"speaker_name":8,"text":3936,"start_s":3937,"end_s":3938,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},656,"214458","La primera de ellas, Hélio Boccato, de São Paulo, tiene 50 años, pregunta lo siguiente.",3637.86,3642.68,{"idx":3940,"utterance_id":3941,"speaker_name":8,"text":3942,"start_s":3943,"end_s":3944,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},657,"214459","Se prometió una atención especial a nuestros bosques y ríos, pero vemos una devastación total de los mismos.",3642.7,3649.08,{"idx":3946,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":8,"text":3948,"start_s":3949,"end_s":3950,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},658,"214460","¿Qué medidas pretende usted tomar para revertir este panorama a corto, medio y largo plazo?",3649.1,3653.3,{"idx":3952,"utterance_id":3953,"speaker_name":8,"text":3954,"start_s":3955,"end_s":3956,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},659,"214461","Ya se han tomado las medidas, Marcon.",3653.62,3657.3,{"idx":3958,"utterance_id":3959,"speaker_name":8,"text":3960,"start_s":3961,"end_s":3962,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},660,"214462","Mire, la ministra Marina: primero, creo que en Brasil no hay nadie no solo competente, sino comprometida con la cuestión ambiental como la compañera Marina.",3657.86,3668.26,{"idx":3964,"utterance_id":3965,"speaker_name":8,"text":3966,"start_s":3967,"end_s":3968,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},661,"214463","Sucede que se tenía todo el Ministerio de Medio Ambiente, pero el IBAMA estaba totalmente desactivado.",3668.98,3674.22,{"idx":3970,"utterance_id":3971,"speaker_name":8,"text":3972,"start_s":3973,"end_s":3974,"word_count":231,"indexable":13},662,"214464","No hace mucho tiempo, hace unas pocas semanas, un amigo mío fue a un parque nacional que hay por ahí y encontró allí apenas a una persona con un vehículo para hacerse cargo de un parque de cientos de hectáreas.",3675.5,3687.64,{"idx":3976,"utterance_id":3977,"speaker_name":8,"text":3978,"start_s":3979,"end_s":3980,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},663,"214465","Estamos abriendo concursos para contratar más gente para el IBAMA, para el Ministerio de Medio Ambiente.",3688.62,3694.12,{"idx":3982,"utterance_id":3983,"speaker_name":8,"text":3984,"start_s":3985,"end_s":3986,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},664,"214466","Estamos equipando al Ministerio para que pueda fiscalizar mejor nuestros bosques.",3694.52,3699.5,{"idx":3988,"utterance_id":3989,"speaker_name":8,"text":3990,"start_s":3991,"end_s":3992,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},665,"214467","Y este año tuvimos una reducción del 40% en los incendios forestales.",3700.06,3704.08,{"idx":3994,"utterance_id":3995,"speaker_name":8,"text":3996,"start_s":3997,"end_s":3998,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},666,"214468","Y esas cosas, ya sabe, en un país del tamaño de Brasil, llevan algún tiempo para organizarse.",3704.78,3709.62,{"idx":4000,"utterance_id":4001,"speaker_name":8,"text":4002,"start_s":4003,"end_s":4004,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},667,"214469","Pero tenga la seguridad de que estamos comprometidos con la conservación de nuestra floresta.",3710.28,3714.28,{"idx":4006,"utterance_id":4007,"speaker_name":8,"text":4008,"start_s":4009,"end_s":4010,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},668,"214470","¿Cree usted que es un ámbito, por así decirlo, un área de la que el gobierno puede enorgullecerse; es esa el área del medio ambiente?",3714.3,3718.74,{"idx":4012,"utterance_id":4013,"speaker_name":8,"text":4014,"start_s":4015,"end_s":4016,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},669,"214471","No diría que el gobierno puede enorgullecerse, porque aún queda mucho por hacer.",3718.76,3722.38,{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":8,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},670,"214472","Pero diría que es un área en la que el gobierno tiene, no solo a la ministra, sino al equipo de la ministra, personas provenientes de la sociedad, altamente comprometidas con una buena política.",3723,3733.24,{"idx":4024,"utterance_id":4025,"speaker_name":8,"text":4026,"start_s":4027,"end_s":4028,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},671,"214473","Mire, cuando tomamos la iniciativa de hacer la revitalización del Río São Francisco, que era la transposición para llevar agua al semiárido nordestino, ¿cuál fue la primera actitud que tomamos?",3733.68,3744.38,{"idx":4030,"utterance_id":4031,"speaker_name":8,"text":4032,"start_s":4033,"end_s":4034,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},672,"214474","Tomamos un proyecto que venía desde la época de Dom Pedro, desde 1946.",3745.64,3751.7,{"idx":4036,"utterance_id":4037,"speaker_name":8,"text":4038,"start_s":4039,"end_s":4040,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},673,"214475","Después pasó por varios gobiernos, pasó por el gobierno de Fernando Henrique Cardoso; luego mi vice se encargó de la primera etapa; después el ministro Ciro se está ocupando de la segunda; hicimos 27 audiencias públicas; asumimos el compromiso.",3752.04,3767.8,{"idx":4042,"utterance_id":4043,"speaker_name":8,"text":4044,"start_s":4045,"end_s":4046,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},674,"214476","de revitalizar primero las riberas de los ríos, hacer saneamiento en las ciudades que están a la orilla de esos ríos.",3768.36,3776.12,{"idx":4048,"utterance_id":4049,"speaker_name":8,"text":4050,"start_s":4051,"end_s":4052,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},675,"214477","Estamos trabajando para aprobar un proyecto en el Congreso Nacional que garantice una enmienda constitucional que asegure 0,3% o 0,5% del presupuesto para que asumamos el compromiso de la revitalización del Río São Francisco, lo que daría algo así como 300 millones por año.",3776.86,3796.3,{"idx":4054,"utterance_id":4055,"speaker_name":8,"text":4056,"start_s":4057,"end_s":4058,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},676,"214478","Porque creemos que el Río São Francisco, para que pueda servir agua a otras personas que no tienen acceso a él, es preciso que garanticemos su supervivencia.",3797.28,3807.26,{"idx":4060,"utterance_id":4061,"speaker_name":8,"text":4062,"start_s":4063,"end_s":4064,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},677,"214479","Y su supervivencia pasa por recuperar sus afluentes, restaurar las matas ciliares y hacer que no se arrojen más aguas residuales en el Río São Francisco.",3807.64,3817.32,{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":8,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},678,"214480","Olvidar de ponerse de acuerdo con el Bisco.",3817.48,3819.16,{"idx":4072,"utterance_id":4073,"speaker_name":8,"text":4074,"start_s":4075,"end_s":4076,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},679,"214481","Un país de 180 millones de habitantes, no se puede permitir... que alguien haga una protesta o algo por el estilo.",3821.4,3830.04,{"idx":4078,"utterance_id":4079,"speaker_name":8,"text":4080,"start_s":4081,"end_s":4082,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},680,"214482","Esa protesta impidió la continuación de las obras.",3830.6,3834.14,{"idx":4084,"utterance_id":4085,"speaker_name":8,"text":4086,"start_s":4087,"end_s":4088,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},681,"214483","La obra no iba a comenzar.",3834.88,3836.44,{"idx":4090,"utterance_id":4091,"speaker_name":8,"text":4092,"start_s":4093,"end_s":4094,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},682,"214484","La obra no iba a comenzar porque aún faltaba la licencia previa.",3836.46,3840.74,{"idx":4096,"utterance_id":4097,"speaker_name":8,"text":4098,"start_s":4099,"end_s":4100,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},683,"214485","No tenemos un solo obispo; tenemos decenas de obispos que escribieron una nota, ¿sabe?, condenando el comportamiento del obispo que se declaró en huelga.",3841.54,3849.46,{"idx":4102,"utterance_id":4103,"speaker_name":8,"text":4104,"start_s":4105,"end_s":4106,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},684,"214486","Lo que pensamos es lo siguiente: no será por falta de debate.",3849.96,3853.06,{"idx":4108,"utterance_id":4109,"speaker_name":8,"text":4110,"start_s":4111,"end_s":4112,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},685,"214487","Si hay algo que no nos preocupa, es realizar cuantos debates sean necesarios para llevar a cabo el proyecto.",3853.08,3859.78,{"idx":4114,"utterance_id":4115,"speaker_name":8,"text":4116,"start_s":4117,"end_s":4118,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},686,"214488","Además, no todos los brasileños saben lo que significa que una madre de familia cargue un pote de agua en la cabeza por 9, 10 kilómetros todos los días.",3860.16,3869.68,{"idx":4120,"utterance_id":4121,"speaker_name":8,"text":4122,"start_s":4123,"end_s":4124,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},687,"214489","La gente no sabe lo que significa que una madre se quede con una lata de agua esperando un camión cisterna que a veces no viene.",3870.58,3877.16,{"idx":4126,"utterance_id":4127,"speaker_name":8,"text":4128,"start_s":4129,"end_s":4130,"word_count":261,"indexable":13},688,"214490","Entonces, cuando llevamos el agua, es porque queremos llevar agua para beber a 12 millones de brasileños, ¿sabe?, que viven en la región más seca del país, en la región más pobre del país, en la región donde menos llueve del país.",3878.08,3892.42,{"idx":4132,"utterance_id":4133,"speaker_name":8,"text":4134,"start_s":4135,"end_s":4136,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},689,"214491","Queremos llevar esa agua allí para que las personas la beban.",3892.72,3894.76,{"idx":4138,"utterance_id":4139,"speaker_name":8,"text":4140,"start_s":4141,"end_s":4142,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},690,"214492","Y la vamos a llevar.",3894.78,3895.66,{"idx":4144,"utterance_id":4145,"speaker_name":8,"text":4146,"start_s":4147,"end_s":4148,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},691,"214493","No será por falta de debate.",3896.12,3897.44,{"idx":4150,"utterance_id":4151,"speaker_name":8,"text":4152,"start_s":4153,"end_s":4154,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},692,"214494","Y mire que yo nunca, nunca prometí en campaña hacer esto.",3897.46,3901.26,{"idx":4156,"utterance_id":4157,"speaker_name":8,"text":4158,"start_s":4159,"end_s":4160,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},693,"214495","Hago esto por una necesidad.",3901.96,3903.4,{"idx":4162,"utterance_id":4163,"speaker_name":8,"text":4164,"start_s":4165,"end_s":4166,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},694,"214496","Estamos tomando solo el 1% del agua del Río São Francisco para llevar.",3903.88,3908.8,{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":8,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},695,"214497","Expropiamos 2,5 km de la margen del canal para que podamos permitir que haya asentamientos próximos a ello.",3909.22,3918.92,{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":8,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},696,"214498","Y lo haremos: si no comienza ahora, empezará el mes que viene, empezará el año que viene; vamos a comenzar.",3919.3,3924.16,{"idx":4180,"utterance_id":4181,"speaker_name":8,"text":4182,"start_s":4183,"end_s":4184,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},697,"214499","Y se hará porque Brasil necesita llevar agua.",3924.62,3927.28,{"idx":4186,"utterance_id":4187,"speaker_name":8,"text":4188,"start_s":4189,"end_s":4190,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},698,"214500","para esas personas que no tienen agua para beber.",3927.66,3929.82,{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":8,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},699,"214501","Presidente, usted está reiterando su compromiso con las personas pobres del Nordeste.",3930.04,3932.96,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":8,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},700,"214502","Quisiera hablar un poco sobre el SIDA y quisiera saber del real compromiso suyo con la continuidad del Programa Brasileño de Combate al SIDA.",3932.98,3938.98,{"idx":4204,"utterance_id":4205,"speaker_name":8,"text":4206,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},701,"214503","El gobierno declaró el medicamento Caletra de utilidad pública.",3939.26,3942.9,{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":8,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},702,"214504","Hubo una indicación de que se pediría la licencia compulsoria para Caletra.",3943.32,3947.52,{"idx":4216,"utterance_id":4217,"speaker_name":8,"text":4218,"start_s":4219,"end_s":4220,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},703,"214505","Y el gobierno terminó, en la evaluación de los activistas, acobardándose.",3947.92,3952.04,{"idx":4222,"utterance_id":4223,"speaker_name":8,"text":4224,"start_s":4225,"end_s":4226,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},704,"214506","Los activistas dijeron exactamente lo siguiente: que fue una decisión conservadora y cortoplacista.",3952.06,3956.78,{"idx":4228,"utterance_id":4229,"speaker_name":8,"text":4230,"start_s":4231,"end_s":4232,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},705,"214507","y que el gobierno brasileño renunció a la soberanía nacional y besó los pies de los laboratorios al hacer el acuerdo que hizo con Abbott.",3957.16,3964.26,{"idx":4234,"utterance_id":4235,"speaker_name":8,"text":4236,"start_s":4237,"end_s":4238,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},706,"214508","Brasil pagaba 1,17; el acuerdo pasó a pagar 0,63 y, según informaciones del propio Ministerio de Salud, los laboratorios oficiales podrían fabricar Caletra a 0,41 centavos de dólar.",3964.56,3975.96,{"idx":4240,"utterance_id":4241,"speaker_name":8,"text":4242,"start_s":4243,"end_s":4244,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},707,"214509","¿Quiere decir que fue un buen negocio para Brasil y que la continuidad del programa no va a estar amenazada así?",3976.02,3980.38,{"idx":4246,"utterance_id":4247,"speaker_name":8,"text":4248,"start_s":4249,"end_s":4250,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},708,"214510","No sé quién les dio esa información a esos activistas que hablaron tan duramente.",3980.5,3984.48,{"idx":4252,"utterance_id":4253,"speaker_name":8,"text":4254,"start_s":4255,"end_s":4256,"word_count":350,"indexable":13},709,"214511","Lo que sé por información del ministro de Salud es que al decidir iniciar el proceso de producción del medicamento aquí, cumpliendo todo el rito previsto por la Organización Mundial del Comercio, el precio que la empresa nos ofreció era más barato que el precio de producirlo aquí.",3985.46,4011.42,{"idx":4258,"utterance_id":4259,"speaker_name":8,"text":4260,"start_s":4261,"end_s":4262,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},710,"214512","Primero.",4011.94,4012.36,{"idx":4264,"utterance_id":4265,"speaker_name":8,"text":4266,"start_s":4267,"end_s":4268,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},711,"214513","Información que tengo del ministro Sareva Felipe.",4012.8,4015.08,{"idx":4270,"utterance_id":4271,"speaker_name":8,"text":4272,"start_s":4273,"end_s":4274,"word_count":409,"indexable":13},712,"214514","Lo segundo es que estamos dispuestos, junto con otros países que sufren el mismo problema, a construir, no una, sino varias plantas centrales de producción de ese medicamento, incluso si tenemos que romper... con una ley de patentes, porque no podemos permitir que la salud brasileña y la salud de un ser humano estén vinculadas a los intereses, ya sabe, de la ganancia de una empresa.",4015.6,4043.32,{"idx":4276,"utterance_id":4277,"speaker_name":8,"text":4278,"start_s":4279,"end_s":4280,"word_count":243,"indexable":13},713,"214515","Ahora, como somos un país que participa de las instituciones multilaterales, tenemos que respetar algunas reglas y tratar de quebrarlas, convenciendo a otros países junto con nosotros a hacerlo, porque Brasil tiene compromiso no solo con el pueblo brasileño.",4043.74,4058.8,{"idx":4282,"utterance_id":4283,"speaker_name":8,"text":4284,"start_s":4285,"end_s":4286,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},714,"214516","También tenemos el compromiso de ayudar a países más pobres que Brasil y que necesitan ese medicamento.",4059.4,4066.32,{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":8,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},715,"214517","Estamos discutiéndolo también con los países ricos, para que comiencen a percibir que no podemos permitir que la humanidad sea víctima de los intereses lucrativos de un laboratorio.",4066.68,4078.46,{"idx":4294,"utterance_id":4295,"speaker_name":8,"text":4296,"start_s":4297,"end_s":4298,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},716,"214518","Por lo tanto, cada país que pueda producir, ciertamente, nosotros estamos en una etapa más avanzada.",4079,4084.48,{"idx":4300,"utterance_id":4301,"speaker_name":8,"text":4302,"start_s":4303,"end_s":4304,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},717,"214519","Vamos a empezar a producir.",4084.9,4086,{"idx":4306,"utterance_id":4307,"speaker_name":8,"text":4308,"start_s":4309,"end_s":4310,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},718,"214520","Presidente, ¿es cierto que a usted no le gusta trabajar?",4086.04,4088.82,{"idx":4312,"utterance_id":4313,"speaker_name":8,"text":4314,"start_s":4315,"end_s":4316,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},719,"214521","¿Y es por eso que usted viaja tanto?",4089.98,4091.7,{"idx":4318,"utterance_id":4319,"speaker_name":8,"text":4320,"start_s":4321,"end_s":4322,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},720,"214522","¿Sabe que yo tengo nostalgia?",4092.52,4095.36,{"idx":4324,"utterance_id":4325,"speaker_name":8,"text":4326,"start_s":4327,"end_s":4328,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},721,"214523","¿Usted ya ha oído eso?",4095.38,4096.1,{"idx":4330,"utterance_id":4331,"speaker_name":8,"text":4332,"start_s":4333,"end_s":4334,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},722,"214524","Sí.",4096.4,4096.5,{"idx":4336,"utterance_id":4337,"speaker_name":8,"text":4338,"start_s":4339,"end_s":4340,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},723,"214525","Yo nunca había viajado en avión antes de ser dirigente sindical.",4098.26,4102.26,{"idx":4342,"utterance_id":4343,"speaker_name":8,"text":4344,"start_s":4345,"end_s":4346,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},724,"214526","Y mis enemigos ya decían que yo viajaba en primera clase.",4102.86,4105.1,{"idx":4348,"utterance_id":4349,"speaker_name":8,"text":4350,"start_s":4351,"end_s":4352,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},725,"214527","Pues, tonterías.",4106.64,4107.56,{"idx":4354,"utterance_id":4355,"speaker_name":8,"text":4356,"start_s":4357,"end_s":4358,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},726,"214528","Cualquiera puede decir lo que quiera.",4107.7,4109.42,{"idx":4360,"utterance_id":4361,"speaker_name":8,"text":4362,"start_s":4363,"end_s":4364,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},727,"214529","Estuve 22 años dentro de una fábrica.",4109.56,4113.02,{"idx":4366,"utterance_id":4367,"speaker_name":8,"text":4368,"start_s":4369,"end_s":4370,"word_count":243,"indexable":13},728,"214530","Trabajé tres años y medio por la noche; trabajé de las seis a las dos, de las dos a las diez, de las diez a las diez de la mañana; hacía cinco horas los sábados y nunca trabajé tanto como trabajo en la presidencia de la República.",4113.9,4125.5,{"idx":4372,"utterance_id":4373,"speaker_name":8,"text":2093,"start_s":4374,"end_s":4375,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},729,"214531",4125.68,4125.92,{"idx":4377,"utterance_id":4378,"speaker_name":8,"text":4379,"start_s":4380,"end_s":4381,"word_count":225,"indexable":13},730,"214532","Nunca en mi vida pensé que iba a trabajar tanto, porque sabía que había presidentes que a las seis de la tarde se iban a casa, sabía de presidentes que venían a trabajar después del almuerzo, ¿sabe?",4126.48,4137.1,{"idx":4383,"utterance_id":4384,"speaker_name":8,"text":4385,"start_s":4386,"end_s":4387,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},731,"214533","Ahora, sólo alguien irresponsable.",4137.66,4142.1,{"idx":652,"utterance_id":4389,"speaker_name":8,"text":4390,"start_s":4391,"end_s":4392,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},"214534","Sólo alguien que no conoce lo que es un viaje de un presidente puede decir que un presidente no trabaja cuando viaja.",4142.98,4150,{"idx":4394,"utterance_id":4395,"speaker_name":8,"text":4396,"start_s":4397,"end_s":4398,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},733,"214535","Además, la prensa que viaja conmigo puede dar testimonio de mi agenda internacional.",4150.44,4155.66,{"idx":4400,"utterance_id":4401,"speaker_name":8,"text":4402,"start_s":4403,"end_s":4404,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},734,"214536","¿Cree usted que estos viajes son positivos?",4155.68,4158.74,{"idx":4406,"utterance_id":4407,"speaker_name":8,"text":4408,"start_s":4409,"end_s":4410,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},735,"214537","Estos viajes dan más que resultados.",4159.64,4161.9,{"idx":4412,"utterance_id":4413,"speaker_name":8,"text":4414,"start_s":4415,"end_s":4416,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},736,"214538","Sólo tiene que mirar la balanza comercial de Brasil.",4161.94,4164.76,{"idx":4418,"utterance_id":4419,"speaker_name":8,"text":4420,"start_s":4421,"end_s":4422,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},737,"214539","Sólo tiene que consultarla.",4165.52,4166.34,{"idx":4424,"utterance_id":4425,"speaker_name":8,"text":4426,"start_s":4427,"end_s":4428,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},738,"214540","Nuestro comercio con América del Sur creció un 83%.",4166.74,4169.84,{"idx":4430,"utterance_id":4431,"speaker_name":8,"text":4432,"start_s":4433,"end_s":4434,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},739,"214541","Y va a crecer más, porque estamos trabajando en un proceso de integración.",4172.94,4176.42,{"idx":4436,"utterance_id":4437,"speaker_name":8,"text":4438,"start_s":4439,"end_s":4440,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},740,"214542","No sirve de nada que hablemos de integración en los discursos y no tengamos carreteras, ni puentes, ni ferrocarriles, ni vías fluviales, ni telecomunicaciones, ni aeropuertos.",4177,4187.02,{"idx":4442,"utterance_id":4443,"speaker_name":8,"text":4444,"start_s":4445,"end_s":4446,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},741,"214543","A veces alguien que vive en Ecuador para venir a Brasil tiene que ir a Miami.",4187.4,4190.66,{"idx":4448,"utterance_id":4449,"speaker_name":8,"text":4450,"start_s":4451,"end_s":4452,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},742,"214544","Pues, si él quería venir a hacer negocios en Brasil y tiene que ir a Miami, ya hace negocios en Miami.",4191.06,4194.96,{"idx":4454,"utterance_id":4455,"speaker_name":8,"text":4456,"start_s":4457,"end_s":4458,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},743,"214545","Tenemos varios países africanos.",4195.58,4197.66,{"idx":4460,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":8,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},744,"214546","Y del Oriente Medio que no tienen vuelo directo a Brasil.",4198.34,4200.96,{"idx":4466,"utterance_id":4467,"speaker_name":8,"text":4468,"start_s":4469,"end_s":4470,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},745,"214547","Necesitamos crear las condiciones para que haya vuelos directos desde la mayoría de esos países hacia Brasil.",4201.46,4207.24,{"idx":4472,"utterance_id":4473,"speaker_name":8,"text":4474,"start_s":4475,"end_s":4476,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},746,"214548","Pongo el ejemplo de nuestro crecimiento con África, de nuestro crecimiento con Oriente Medio, de nuestro crecimiento con los países asiáticos.",4208.04,4216.82,{"idx":4478,"utterance_id":4479,"speaker_name":8,"text":4480,"start_s":4481,"end_s":4482,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},747,"214549","Pasamos de una balanza comercial de 60.000 millones a, este año, llegar en septiembre a 114.000 millones.",4218.06,4225.42,{"idx":4484,"utterance_id":4485,"speaker_name":8,"text":4486,"start_s":4487,"end_s":4488,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},748,"214550","Pasamos de un superávit de R$ 13.000 millones en 2002, porque habíamos disminuido las importaciones en 2011; por lo tanto, si no hubiéramos disminuido las importaciones, serían apenas R$ 2.000 millones de superávit comercial, frente a un superávit de R$ 41.000 millones de dólares este año.",4228.96,4250.16,{"idx":4490,"utterance_id":4491,"speaker_name":8,"text":4492,"start_s":4493,"end_s":4494,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},749,"214551","Entonces creo que estos viajes son extremadamente... Voy a tocar un asunto aquí que pensé que usted iba a tocar.",4250.22,4256.84,{"idx":4496,"utterance_id":4497,"speaker_name":8,"text":4498,"start_s":4499,"end_s":4500,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},750,"214552","Cuando compré un avión para este país, ¿sabe?, no falta la hipocresía, el cinismo de la gente.",4257.46,4264.82,{"idx":4502,"utterance_id":4503,"speaker_name":8,"text":4504,"start_s":4505,"end_s":4506,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},751,"214553","Que hay que tener responsabilidad.",4265.42,4267.1,{"idx":659,"utterance_id":4508,"speaker_name":8,"text":4509,"start_s":4510,"end_s":4511,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},"214554","Ah, el avión de Lula, el avión no es mío, el avión es de la institución llamada Presidencia de la República.",4267.56,4273.22,{"idx":4513,"utterance_id":4514,"speaker_name":8,"text":4515,"start_s":4516,"end_s":4517,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},753,"214555","Que si dentro de un año ya no soy yo, el que venga tendrá un avión decente para viajar.",4273.6,4278.32,{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":8,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},754,"214556","Lo que no puede ser es que Brasil siga con un avión chatarra que ya no volaba.",4278.78,4282.2,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":8,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},755,"214557","Tan recordado que cuando Marco Maciel hizo el viaje en el que se le cayó el motor, se escondió.",4283.1,4289.04,{"idx":4531,"utterance_id":4532,"speaker_name":8,"text":4533,"start_s":4534,"end_s":4535,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},756,"214558","Un avión que no podía parar en la mayoría de los aeropuertos porque era cambiado.",4289.34,4293.24,{"idx":4537,"utterance_id":4538,"speaker_name":8,"text":4539,"start_s":4540,"end_s":4541,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},757,"214559","Y que entonces el presidente de la República pasó a alquilar aviones para poder viajar.",4294.64,4298.68,{"idx":4543,"utterance_id":4544,"speaker_name":8,"text":4545,"start_s":4546,"end_s":4547,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},758,"214560","Este país tiene que hacerse respetar.",4299.14,4301.4,{"idx":4549,"utterance_id":4550,"speaker_name":8,"text":4551,"start_s":4552,"end_s":4553,"word_count":309,"indexable":13},759,"214561","Ese país, espero que la visita de Bush aquí haya dado un poco de noción a los hipócritas que hicieron las críticas, para que perciban claramente lo siguiente: este país, el presidente de la república de este país, él no es un hombre, es una institución, mientras tenga el mandato.",4302.3,4319.54,{"idx":4555,"utterance_id":4556,"speaker_name":8,"text":4557,"start_s":4558,"end_s":4559,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},760,"214562","Y un avión es lo mínimo que puede tener para hacer los viajes que va a hacer.",4320.14,4324.96,{"idx":4561,"utterance_id":4562,"speaker_name":8,"text":4563,"start_s":4564,"end_s":4565,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},761,"214563","Un avión confortable, que no haga ruido.",4325,4327.52,{"idx":4567,"utterance_id":4568,"speaker_name":8,"text":4569,"start_s":4570,"end_s":4571,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},762,"214564","Quiero tocar ese tema porque de vez en cuando se agota la paciencia cuando uno ve a alguien decir que el avión es de Lula.",4328.2,4335.82,{"idx":4573,"utterance_id":4574,"speaker_name":8,"text":4575,"start_s":4576,"end_s":4577,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},763,"214565","¿Entonces significa que cuando termine mi mandato me lo voy a llevar a casa?",4336.2,4338.84,{"idx":4579,"utterance_id":4580,"speaker_name":8,"text":4581,"start_s":4582,"end_s":4583,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},764,"214566","¿Me lo voy a llevar a casa?",4339.82,4341.22,{"idx":4585,"utterance_id":4586,"speaker_name":8,"text":4587,"start_s":4588,"end_s":4589,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},765,"214567","Entonces basta de esa hipocresía.",4341.76,4343.52,{"idx":4591,"utterance_id":4592,"speaker_name":8,"text":4593,"start_s":4594,"end_s":4595,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},766,"214568","Sobre Brasil voy a contar más.",4343.88,4344.94,{"idx":4597,"utterance_id":4598,"speaker_name":8,"text":4599,"start_s":4600,"end_s":4601,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},767,"214569","Quiero aprovechar ahora.",4345.2,4346.12,{"idx":4603,"utterance_id":4604,"speaker_name":8,"text":4605,"start_s":4606,"end_s":4607,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},768,"214570","Es que usted no me está dejando hacer una pregunta.",4346.16,4348.58,{"idx":4609,"utterance_id":4610,"speaker_name":8,"text":4611,"start_s":4612,"end_s":4613,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},769,"214571","Para decir algo importante.",4348.98,4350.3,{"idx":4615,"utterance_id":4616,"speaker_name":8,"text":4617,"start_s":4618,"end_s":4619,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},770,"214572","Hubo gobiernos que intentaron renovar el Palacio de la Alvorada.",4351.2,4354.04,{"idx":4621,"utterance_id":4622,"speaker_name":8,"text":4623,"start_s":4624,"end_s":4625,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},771,"214573","Hubo críticas contundentes; se echaron atrás ante la renovación.",4354.96,4357.98,{"idx":4627,"utterance_id":4628,"speaker_name":8,"text":4629,"start_s":4630,"end_s":4631,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},772,"214574","Llegué al Palacio de la Alvorada, ¿sabe?, tiene un problema hidroeléctrico de una obra hecha en 1958, tiene problemas con el agua de las cañerías.",4358.42,4366.16,{"idx":4633,"utterance_id":4634,"speaker_name":8,"text":4635,"start_s":4636,"end_s":4637,"word_count":231,"indexable":13},773,"214575","Es decir, para evitar que me dijeran que el gobierno estaba gastando dinero, reuní a todas las entidades empresariales y dije: hay un proyecto que fue hecho por la Fundação do Banco do Brasil, que cuesta 16 millones, ¿sabe?",4366.72,4381.64,{"idx":4639,"utterance_id":4640,"speaker_name":8,"text":4641,"start_s":4642,"end_s":4643,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},774,"214576","Quería que ustedes lo donaran al patrimonio público.",4381.76,4384.56,{"idx":4645,"utterance_id":4646,"speaker_name":8,"text":4647,"start_s":4648,"end_s":4649,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},775,"214577","Se está haciendo ahora.",4385.08,4386.16,{"idx":4651,"utterance_id":4652,"speaker_name":8,"text":4653,"start_s":4654,"end_s":4655,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},776,"214578","Ahora, ¿sabe lo que me parece curioso, Marcum?",4386.62,4388.2,{"idx":4657,"utterance_id":4658,"speaker_name":8,"text":4659,"start_s":4660,"end_s":4661,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},777,"214579","Que yo, de vez en cuando, veo a personas viajar por el mundo, ir a esos castillos fantásticos, a esos palacios, y decir qué cosa maravillosa, qué cosa fantástica, ¿sabe?",4388.62,4399.72,{"idx":4663,"utterance_id":4664,"speaker_name":8,"text":4665,"start_s":4666,"end_s":4667,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},778,"214580","¿Y por qué eso es bonito?",4399.86,4401,{"idx":4669,"utterance_id":4670,"speaker_name":8,"text":4671,"start_s":4672,"end_s":4673,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},779,"214581","Porque eso está preservado.",4401.32,4403.24,{"idx":4675,"utterance_id":4676,"speaker_name":8,"text":4677,"start_s":4678,"end_s":4679,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},780,"214582","Porque aquí alguien invirtió dinero para preservar.",4403.8,4405.96,{"idx":4681,"utterance_id":4682,"speaker_name":8,"text":4683,"start_s":4684,"end_s":4685,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},781,"214583","Y aquí en Brasil, una vez estaba en el Museu do Ipiranga, antes de la campaña, y las termitas se estaban comiendo el Museu do Ipiranga.",4406.36,4412.74,{"idx":4687,"utterance_id":4688,"speaker_name":8,"text":4689,"start_s":4690,"end_s":4691,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},782,"214584","Y la gente piensa que no se puede gastar dinero.",4413.12,4415,{"idx":4693,"utterance_id":4694,"speaker_name":8,"text":4695,"start_s":4696,"end_s":4697,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},783,"214585","El Palacio no puede gastar dinero.",4415.4,4417.04,{"idx":4699,"utterance_id":4700,"speaker_name":8,"text":4701,"start_s":4702,"end_s":4703,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},784,"214586","Cuando, en verdad, esto aquí, el Palacio de la Alvorada, es un patrimonio de la humanidad.",4417.76,4423.32,{"idx":4705,"utterance_id":4706,"speaker_name":8,"text":4707,"start_s":4708,"end_s":4709,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},785,"214587","Eso tiene que ser preservado.",4423.8,4425.06,{"idx":4711,"utterance_id":4712,"speaker_name":8,"text":4713,"start_s":4714,"end_s":4715,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},786,"214588","Y cada presidente que entra aquí no puede pensar: estoy aquí solo cuatro años.",4425.44,4429.4,{"idx":4717,"utterance_id":4718,"speaker_name":8,"text":4719,"start_s":4720,"end_s":4721,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},787,"214589","Necesita hacer las cosas buenas en sus cuatro años, para que cuatro, más cuatro, más cuatro, más cuatro, más cuatro, ya se conviertan en tantos años para que el palacio no se deteriore.",4429.8,4439.6,{"idx":4723,"utterance_id":4724,"speaker_name":8,"text":4725,"start_s":4726,"end_s":4727,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},788,"214590","Entonces esas cosas, a veces, cansan, a veces perturban, porque se transmite a la sociedad falsedades que son incomprensibles.",4440.16,4450.14,{"idx":4729,"utterance_id":4730,"speaker_name":8,"text":4731,"start_s":4732,"end_s":4733,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},789,"214591","Incluso en lo íntimo de las personas que hacen la acusación.",4450.92,4453.24,{"idx":4735,"utterance_id":4736,"speaker_name":8,"text":4737,"start_s":4738,"end_s":4739,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},790,"214592","Me asusté cuando vi la primera crítica al avión.",4454.8,4456.96,{"idx":4741,"utterance_id":4742,"speaker_name":8,"text":4743,"start_s":4744,"end_s":4745,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},791,"214593","Que Lula compró el avión para él.",4458.82,4460.14,{"idx":4747,"utterance_id":4748,"speaker_name":8,"text":4749,"start_s":4750,"end_s":4751,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},792,"214594","El avión fue así para mí.",4460.5,4461.32,{"idx":4753,"utterance_id":4754,"speaker_name":8,"text":4755,"start_s":4756,"end_s":4757,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},793,"214595","El avión, cuando me vaya... El día que deje la presidencia de la República, un minuto después ya habrá otro presidente que lo estará usando.",4462.12,4469.2,{"idx":4759,"utterance_id":4760,"speaker_name":8,"text":4761,"start_s":4762,"end_s":4763,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},794,"214596","A menos que él diga: bueno, el avión es de Lula, se lo voy a regalar a Lula.",4469.24,4471.86,{"idx":4765,"utterance_id":4766,"speaker_name":8,"text":4767,"start_s":4768,"end_s":4769,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},795,"214597","Presidente, quería aprovechar esta oportunidad y hacerle preguntas también a usted.",4471.88,4475.68,{"idx":4771,"utterance_id":4772,"speaker_name":8,"text":4773,"start_s":4774,"end_s":4775,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},796,"214598","Espero que usted no adopte el aparato del presidente estadounidense, que a mi juicio es exagerado.",4475.98,4480.9,{"idx":4777,"utterance_id":4778,"speaker_name":8,"text":4779,"start_s":4780,"end_s":4781,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},797,"214599","Quería aprovechar que usted habló de importaciones, exportaciones y viajes.",4480.92,4486.86,{"idx":4783,"utterance_id":4784,"speaker_name":8,"text":4785,"start_s":4786,"end_s":4787,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},798,"214600","Entonces voy a citar una frase aquí y espero citarla íntegramente.",4487.02,4489.52,{"idx":4789,"utterance_id":4790,"speaker_name":8,"text":4791,"start_s":4792,"end_s":4793,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},799,"214601","Usted dijo, en un reciente viaje a Europa, lo siguiente: cuando surgió el programa da Aftor, ese foco ya fue debelado.",4490.36,4497.44,{"idx":4795,"utterance_id":4796,"speaker_name":8,"text":4797,"start_s":4798,"end_s":4799,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},800,"214602","Eliminamos todas las redes, ya hicimos todas las barreras en las fronteras donde era necesario hacerlo.",4498.16,4503.5,{"idx":4801,"utterance_id":4802,"speaker_name":8,"text":4803,"start_s":4804,"end_s":4805,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},801,"214603","Creo que vamos a mostrar al mundo la eficacia y la acción del gobierno.",4504.14,4507.7,{"idx":4807,"utterance_id":4808,"speaker_name":8,"text":4809,"start_s":4810,"end_s":4811,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},802,"214604","Ese mismo día, el ministro de Agricultura confirmó tres nuevos focos en Mato Grosso do Sul.",4507.72,4512.52,{"idx":4813,"utterance_id":4814,"speaker_name":8,"text":4815,"start_s":4816,"end_s":4817,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},803,"214605","¿No cree usted que esto es el caso típico de explicacionismo vacío?",4512.54,4516.24,{"idx":4819,"utterance_id":4820,"speaker_name":8,"text":3708,"start_s":4821,"end_s":4822,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},804,"214606",4516.78,4516.94,{"idx":754,"utterance_id":4824,"speaker_name":8,"text":663,"start_s":4825,"end_s":4826,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},"214607",4517.52,4517.84,{"idx":4828,"utterance_id":4829,"speaker_name":8,"text":4830,"start_s":4831,"end_s":4832,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},806,"214608","No porque yo había recibido la información de que el foco... No.",4518.08,4521.44,{"idx":4834,"utterance_id":4835,"speaker_name":8,"text":4836,"start_s":4837,"end_s":4838,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},807,"214609","Había recibido la información de que en la ciudad que tuvo el primer foco había sido debelado, habían sacrificado todo el rebaño y el gobierno había asumido el compromiso de pagar.",4522.1,4530.5,{"idx":4840,"utterance_id":4841,"speaker_name":8,"text":4842,"start_s":4843,"end_s":4844,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},808,"214610","Pues, si hoy se encontró un nuevo foco, nosotros vamos a encargarnos de ese nuevo foco.",4530.96,4535.18,{"idx":4846,"utterance_id":4847,"speaker_name":8,"text":4848,"start_s":4849,"end_s":4850,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},809,"214611","La cuestión de la fiebre aftosa...",4535.78,4536.96,{"idx":4852,"utterance_id":4853,"speaker_name":8,"text":4854,"start_s":4855,"end_s":4856,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},810,"214612","Pero ya encontraron.",4537,4537.88,{"idx":4858,"utterance_id":4859,"speaker_name":8,"text":4860,"start_s":4861,"end_s":4862,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},811,"214613","La cuestión de la fiebre aftosa tiene un problema serio que es importante que la opinión pública conozca.",4537.9,4542.38,{"idx":4864,"utterance_id":4865,"speaker_name":8,"text":4866,"start_s":4867,"end_s":4868,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},812,"214614","Primero, la opinión pública tiene que saber, ¿sabe que...? El ganado contaminado con la fiebre aftosa, ¿sabe?, la carne no hace daño al ser humano.",4543.14,4551.22,{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":8,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},813,"214615","Ayer incluso bromeaba con el presidente Bush; él comió la carne del estado de Mato Grosso do Sul.",4551.94,4555.82,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":8,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},814,"214616","Y le pareció maravillosa.",4559.28,4560.24,{"idx":4882,"utterance_id":4883,"speaker_name":8,"text":4884,"start_s":4885,"end_s":4886,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},815,"214617","Y a mí también me pareció maravillosa.",4560.34,4561.22,{"idx":4888,"utterance_id":4889,"speaker_name":8,"text":4890,"start_s":4891,"end_s":4892,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},816,"214618","¿No puso mala cara?",4561.44,4562.28,{"idx":4894,"utterance_id":4895,"speaker_name":8,"text":4896,"start_s":4897,"end_s":4898,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},817,"214619","Porque estaba buena.",4562.32,4562.88,{"idx":4900,"utterance_id":4901,"speaker_name":8,"text":4902,"start_s":4903,"end_s":4904,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},818,"214620","Entonces, vea, Brasil hoy es el mayor exportador de carne del mundo.",4565.12,4572.08,{"idx":4906,"utterance_id":4907,"speaker_name":8,"text":4908,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},819,"214621","En la medida en que uno se convierte en el mayor exportador de carne del mundo, aumenta enormemente la responsabilidad de todos.",4573.62,4580.74,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":8,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},820,"214622","Aumenta la responsabilidad del criador.",4581.6,4583.44,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":8,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},821,"214623","Porque si el criador vacunó al ganado y surge un foco de fiebre aftosa, dado que Brasil tiene miles de kilómetros de frontera seca, hay personas que tienen propiedades en Brasil y en otro país.",4584.16,4596.18,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":8,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},822,"214624","Al mismo tiempo, si el ciudadano vacunó, el gobierno paga por su rebaño que se sacrifique.",4596.22,4603.18,{"idx":4930,"utterance_id":4931,"speaker_name":8,"text":4932,"start_s":4933,"end_s":4934,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},823,"214625","Si el ciudadano no vacunó... Ya le dije al ministro Roberto Rodrigues que tenemos que enviar una ley al Congreso Nacional.",4603.6,4609.38,{"idx":4936,"utterance_id":4937,"speaker_name":8,"text":4938,"start_s":4939,"end_s":4940,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},824,"214626","que el ciudadano que no vacunó necesita pasar algún tiempo castigado sin poder recibir financiación pública, ¿sabe?",4609.4,4617.72,{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":8,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},825,"214627","Para que pueda asumir responsabilidad.",4617.76,4619.22,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":8,"text":4950,"start_s":4951,"end_s":4952,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},826,"214628","Segundo, entonces tiene que haber el dueño, el frigorífico, el alcalde, el gobernador, el presidente de la república, ¿sabe?",4619.66,4627.98,{"idx":4954,"utterance_id":4955,"speaker_name":8,"text":4956,"start_s":4957,"end_s":4958,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},827,"214629","La sociedad brasileña debe tener en cuenta que la carne ya no es un proceso únicamente interno.",4628.24,4634.32,{"idx":4960,"utterance_id":4961,"speaker_name":8,"text":4962,"start_s":4963,"end_s":4964,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},828,"214630","que Brasil hoy es un gran exportador de carne.",4634.92,4639.96,{"idx":4966,"utterance_id":4967,"speaker_name":8,"text":4968,"start_s":4969,"end_s":4970,"word_count":577,"indexable":13},829,"214631","Cuando el presidente Putin estuvo aquí en Brasil, y nosotros habíamos tenido un foco allí en la Amazonía, donde no es tradición criar ganado, y Rusia estaba creando problemas, salí de esa sala, tomé al presidente Putin y lo llevé frente al mapa de Brasil para mostrarle la corta distancia entre allí, el extremo de Pará, y el mercado exportador de carne, para que él comprendiera que si no tiene problema en comprar carne de Francia cuando Bélgica tiene un foco, es decir, mucho menos tendría problema en comprarla de Brasil.",4640.02,4676.38,{"idx":4972,"utterance_id":4973,"speaker_name":8,"text":4974,"start_s":4975,"end_s":4976,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},830,"214632","Eso sucedió; pues bien, ¿qué vamos a hacer?",4676.98,4679.14,{"idx":4978,"utterance_id":4979,"speaker_name":8,"text":4980,"start_s":4981,"end_s":4982,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},831,"214633","Ya propuse en Ouro Preto, en una reunión de todos los presidentes de América del Sur, que Brasil tiene frontera con 10 países de América del Sur.",4679.6,4688,{"idx":4984,"utterance_id":4985,"speaker_name":8,"text":4986,"start_s":4987,"end_s":4988,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},832,"214634","Solo no la tenemos con Ecuador y con Chile.",4688.38,4690.66,{"idx":4990,"utterance_id":4991,"speaker_name":8,"text":4992,"start_s":4993,"end_s":4994,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},833,"214635","Por lo tanto, nuestra vigilancia tiene que ser infinitamente superior.",4691.24,4695.1,{"idx":4996,"utterance_id":4997,"speaker_name":8,"text":4998,"start_s":4999,"end_s":5000,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},834,"214636","Y propuse a los presidentes que la lucha contra la fiebre aftosa ahora tiene que ser algo continental.",4695.5,4700.9,{"idx":5002,"utterance_id":5003,"speaker_name":8,"text":5004,"start_s":5005,"end_s":5006,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},835,"214637","Brasil debe asumir junto con los otros presidentes la responsabilidad de que no se puede cuidar solo un patio.",4701.6,4708.68,{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":8,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},836,"214638","Hay que cuidar todos los territorios de todos los países para que podamos erradicar definitivamente la fiebre aftosa de nuestro territorio.",4708.7,4718.08,{"idx":5014,"utterance_id":5015,"speaker_name":8,"text":5016,"start_s":5017,"end_s":5018,"word_count":243,"indexable":13},837,"214639","Presidente, como... ya leí en varios lugares que ese programa tenía una serie de cosas que no se podían decir, que hubo un acuerdo fantástico para hacer el programa, y sé que eso es absolutamente falso.",4718.54,4730.96,{"idx":5020,"utterance_id":5021,"speaker_name":8,"text":5022,"start_s":5023,"end_s":5024,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},838,"214640","Comienzo este penúltimo bloque con la siguiente pregunta.",4731.58,4734.14,{"idx":5026,"utterance_id":5027,"speaker_name":8,"text":5028,"start_s":5029,"end_s":5030,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},839,"214641","Su hijo cerró un negocio raro y muy exitoso con la empresa Telemar, vendiendo la participación de su empresa de videojuegos a Telemar.",4734.24,4746.54,{"idx":5032,"utterance_id":5033,"speaker_name":8,"text":5034,"start_s":5035,"end_s":5036,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},840,"214642","Y eso fue muy criticado.",4746.88,4748.1,{"idx":5038,"utterance_id":5039,"speaker_name":8,"text":5040,"start_s":5041,"end_s":5042,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},841,"214643","¿Cómo enfrenta usted eso?",4748.4,4749.36,{"idx":5044,"utterance_id":5045,"speaker_name":8,"text":5046,"start_s":5047,"end_s":5048,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},842,"214644","¿No cree usted que existe un conflicto de intereses?",4749.38,4751.7,{"idx":5050,"utterance_id":5051,"speaker_name":8,"text":5052,"start_s":5053,"end_s":5054,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},843,"214645","¿De alguna manera el hecho de que sea hijo del presidente de la República influyó en ese negocio?",4751.76,4757.12,{"idx":5056,"utterance_id":5057,"speaker_name":8,"text":5058,"start_s":5059,"end_s":5060,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},844,"214646","¿No cree usted que el hijo del presidente de la República, aunque no deba tener ningún privilegio, tampoco debería estar impedido de seguir su vida?",4757.7,4766.8,{"idx":5062,"utterance_id":5063,"speaker_name":8,"text":5064,"start_s":5065,"end_s":5066,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},845,"214647","Porque es un absurdo.",4768.84,4770.04,{"idx":5068,"utterance_id":5069,"speaker_name":8,"text":5070,"start_s":5071,"end_s":5072,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},846,"214648","La Comisión de Valores Mobiliarios investigó 30 contratos de Telemar después de esa denuncia.",4770.54,4777.26,{"idx":5074,"utterance_id":5075,"speaker_name":8,"text":5076,"start_s":5077,"end_s":5078,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},847,"214649","¡Todos!",4777.62,4778.06,{"idx":5080,"utterance_id":5081,"speaker_name":8,"text":5082,"start_s":5083,"end_s":5084,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},848,"214650","Son regulares.",4779.14,4779.82,{"idx":5086,"utterance_id":5087,"speaker_name":8,"text":5088,"start_s":5089,"end_s":5090,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},849,"214651","Todos.",4780.28,4780.58,{"idx":5092,"utterance_id":5093,"speaker_name":8,"text":5094,"start_s":5095,"end_s":5096,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},850,"214652","Ninguno es irregular.",4781.26,4782.02,{"idx":5098,"utterance_id":5099,"speaker_name":8,"text":5100,"start_s":5101,"end_s":5102,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},851,"214653","Mire, algo hecho, ¿sabe?, de forma totalmente transparente, visible.",4782.04,4790.8,{"idx":5104,"utterance_id":5105,"speaker_name":8,"text":5106,"start_s":5107,"end_s":5108,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},852,"214654","No hubo ningún intento de ocultarlo, además es un programa de televisión.",4792.08,4797.26,{"idx":5110,"utterance_id":5111,"speaker_name":8,"text":5112,"start_s":5113,"end_s":5114,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},853,"214655","Además, tienen un programa en la televisión, que no puedo decir aquí porque dirán que estoy haciendo publicidad.",4798.7,4803.88,{"idx":809,"utterance_id":5116,"speaker_name":8,"text":5117,"start_s":5118,"end_s":5119,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},"214656","Además, tienen dos.",4803.9,4804.66,{"idx":5121,"utterance_id":5122,"speaker_name":8,"text":5123,"start_s":5124,"end_s":5125,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},855,"214657","Tienen uno en televisión abierta y otro en televisión por cable, ¿sabe?",4805.22,4808.8,{"idx":5127,"utterance_id":5128,"speaker_name":8,"text":5129,"start_s":5130,"end_s":5131,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},856,"214658","Y están teniendo un éxito extraordinario, porque están dando mucha más audiencia que MTV.",4808.86,4814.68,{"idx":5133,"utterance_id":5134,"speaker_name":8,"text":5135,"start_s":5136,"end_s":5137,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},857,"214659","Y si Telemar entendió que debía comprar, es porque también consideró que tendría interés en ganar dinero.",4814.78,4821.92,{"idx":5139,"utterance_id":5140,"speaker_name":8,"text":5141,"start_s":5142,"end_s":5143,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},858,"214660","Pero el hecho de que Telemar tenga participación de fondos de pensión, es decir, ¿no compromete indirectamente?",4821.94,4825.84,{"idx":5145,"utterance_id":5146,"speaker_name":8,"text":5147,"start_s":5148,"end_s":5149,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},859,"214661","Decir que Telemar es una empresa privada o una empresa pública es, como mínimo, forzar la barra.",4826.56,4832.1,{"idx":5151,"utterance_id":5152,"speaker_name":8,"text":5153,"start_s":5154,"end_s":5155,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},860,"214662","Todo el mundo sabe que Telemar fue privatizada, todo el mundo sabe cómo fue privatizada.",4833,4836.86,{"idx":5157,"utterance_id":5158,"speaker_name":8,"text":5159,"start_s":5160,"end_s":5161,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},861,"214663","Nadie lo ha olvidado.",4837.92,4838.7,{"idx":5163,"utterance_id":5164,"speaker_name":8,"text":5165,"start_s":5166,"end_s":5167,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},862,"214664","Y todo el mundo sabe que el fondo de pensión no participa en la administración de Telemar, porque no puede participar en dos, ya participa en Telecom.",4839.76,4845.82,{"idx":5169,"utterance_id":5170,"speaker_name":8,"text":5171,"start_s":5172,"end_s":5173,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},863,"214665","Todo el mundo lo sabe.",4846.64,4847.44,{"idx":5175,"utterance_id":5176,"speaker_name":8,"text":5177,"start_s":5178,"end_s":5179,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},864,"214666","Ahora, querido amigo, ¿cómo puedo estar en contra de que alguien haga una insinuación de que existe algo ilegal?",4848.08,4856.08,{"idx":5181,"utterance_id":5182,"speaker_name":8,"text":5183,"start_s":5184,"end_s":5185,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},865,"214667","Solo la investigación va a probar si fue legal.",4858,4860.94,{"idx":5187,"utterance_id":5188,"speaker_name":8,"text":5189,"start_s":5190,"end_s":5191,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},866,"214668","La Comisión de Valores Mobiliarios, investigando 30 contratos de Telemar, dijo que ninguno tiene ninguna irregularidad.",4861.52,4868.06,{"idx":5193,"utterance_id":5194,"speaker_name":8,"text":5195,"start_s":5196,"end_s":5197,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},867,"214669","Presidente, hace una hora y media usted se emocionó y también nos emocionó al hablar de la muerte de Vladimir Herzog, asesinado por la dictadura en el '75.",4870.04,4879.72,{"idx":5199,"utterance_id":5200,"speaker_name":8,"text":5201,"start_s":5202,"end_s":5203,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},868,"214670","Se cumplieron ahora 30 años de su muerte.",4881.72,4883.92,{"idx":5205,"utterance_id":5206,"speaker_name":8,"text":5207,"start_s":5208,"end_s":5209,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},869,"214671","El gobierno no se manifestó, no rindió ningún homenaje a él.",4884.7,4888.54,{"idx":5211,"utterance_id":5212,"speaker_name":8,"text":5213,"start_s":5214,"end_s":5215,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},870,"214672","¿No cree usted que sería necesario que el gobierno también se pronunciara al respecto?",4888.8,4893.52,{"idx":5217,"utterance_id":5218,"speaker_name":8,"text":5219,"start_s":5220,"end_s":5221,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},871,"214673","Mire, posiblemente el día a día del gobierno no permitió que el gobierno tomara una actitud como gobierno.",4894.54,4903.9,{"idx":5223,"utterance_id":5224,"speaker_name":8,"text":5225,"start_s":5226,"end_s":5227,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},872,"214674","Pero fui yo quien tomó la decisión de pedir a la ministra Dilma Rousseff, que es expresada política, que fuera al acto de homenaje a Flávio.",4904.1,4916.72,{"idx":5229,"utterance_id":5230,"speaker_name":8,"text":5231,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},873,"214675","Posiblemente esa reflexión suya pueda hacer que tomemos la iniciativa de, el próximo año...",4917.02,4922.56,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":8,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},874,"214676","Una de ellas, perdone que lo interrumpa, una es el hecho de que los documentos del SNI siguen bajo siete llaves.",4923.32,4930.74,{"idx":5241,"utterance_id":5242,"speaker_name":8,"text":5243,"start_s":5244,"end_s":5245,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},875,"214677","¿Usted cree que eso será liberado?",4930.76,4932.08,{"idx":5247,"utterance_id":5248,"speaker_name":8,"text":5249,"start_s":5250,"end_s":5251,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},876,"214678","¿Cuándo?",4932.14,4932.4,{"idx":5253,"utterance_id":5254,"speaker_name":8,"text":5255,"start_s":5256,"end_s":5257,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},877,"214679","Sí, sí.",4932.64,4933.24,{"idx":5259,"utterance_id":5260,"speaker_name":8,"text":5261,"start_s":5262,"end_s":5263,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},878,"214680","Se ha determinado a la ministra Dilma Rousseff hacer todo el proceso que tiene que hacerse para custodiar los documentos para que puedan ir al...",4933.3,4943.46,{"idx":5265,"utterance_id":5266,"speaker_name":8,"text":5267,"start_s":5268,"end_s":5269,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},879,"214681","Archivo Nacional.",4944.3,4944.9,{"idx":5271,"utterance_id":5272,"speaker_name":8,"text":5267,"start_s":5273,"end_s":5274,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},880,"214682",4945,4945.8,{"idx":5276,"utterance_id":5277,"speaker_name":8,"text":5278,"start_s":5279,"end_s":5280,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},881,"214683","Y nosotros, hasta fin de año, enviaremos todos los documentos al Archivo Nacional, porque eso no debe quedarse en la BIN.",4945.9,4952.18,{"idx":5282,"utterance_id":5283,"speaker_name":8,"text":5284,"start_s":5285,"end_s":5286,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},882,"214684","Eso forma parte de la historia brasileña, por lo tanto tiene que ir al Archivo Nacional.",4952.52,4956.2,{"idx":5288,"utterance_id":5289,"speaker_name":8,"text":5290,"start_s":5291,"end_s":5292,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},883,"214685","Presidente, usted siempre ha sido un buen analista político, por eso es, incluso, el presidente de la República.",4956.64,4961.12,{"idx":5294,"utterance_id":5295,"speaker_name":8,"text":5296,"start_s":5297,"end_s":5298,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},884,"214686","En su evaluación, en su análisis, ¿el diputado José Dirceu será destituido por la Cámara de Diputados?",4961.88,4969.18,{"idx":5300,"utterance_id":5301,"speaker_name":8,"text":5302,"start_s":5303,"end_s":5304,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},885,"214687","Si lo fuera, ¿considera usted justa la destitución?",4969.46,4973.06,{"idx":5306,"utterance_id":5307,"speaker_name":8,"text":5308,"start_s":5309,"end_s":5310,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},886,"214688","Mire, si se analiza por el conjunto de informaciones que tenemos ahora, José Dirceu será destituido por una decisión... eminentemente política de la Cámara de Diputados.",4973.08,4987.32,{"idx":5312,"utterance_id":5313,"speaker_name":8,"text":5314,"start_s":5315,"end_s":5316,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},887,"214689","Porque si se lo va a destituir por pruebas, hasta ahora no existe ninguna prueba que condene a Zé do Seu.",4988.26,4995.16,{"idx":5318,"utterance_id":5319,"speaker_name":8,"text":5320,"start_s":5321,"end_s":5322,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},888,"214690","Ahora, ¿cómo va a entender la sociedad brasileña, después de cinco meses, ¿sabe?, de denuncias y más denuncias, que el Congreso Nacional no vaya a destituir a Zé do Seu?",4995.8,5009,{"idx":5324,"utterance_id":5325,"speaker_name":8,"text":5326,"start_s":5327,"end_s":5328,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},889,"214691","Ya tuvimos un caso parecido.",5009.28,5010.84,{"idx":5330,"utterance_id":5331,"speaker_name":8,"text":5332,"start_s":5333,"end_s":5334,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},890,"214692","Ya tuvimos a Yves Pinheiro.",5011.5,5013,{"idx":5336,"utterance_id":5337,"speaker_name":8,"text":5338,"start_s":5339,"end_s":5340,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},891,"214693","En el caso de la CPI dos Anães.",5013.52,5014.9,{"idx":5342,"utterance_id":5343,"speaker_name":8,"text":5344,"start_s":5345,"end_s":5346,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},892,"214694","Ahora, mire, como la CPI aún está en funcionamiento, creo que la CPI tiene la madurez para tomar la decisión.",5015.84,5023.72,{"idx":5348,"utterance_id":5349,"speaker_name":8,"text":5350,"start_s":5351,"end_s":5352,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},893,"214695","Irá al pleno y los diputados decidirán.",5024.28,5026.1,{"idx":5354,"utterance_id":5355,"speaker_name":8,"text":5356,"start_s":5357,"end_s":5358,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},894,"214696","Solo quiero decir lo siguiente: hasta ahora no he visto ninguna lista de pruebas que realmente demuestre que será destituido.",5026.76,5033.66,{"idx":5360,"utterance_id":5361,"speaker_name":8,"text":5362,"start_s":5363,"end_s":5364,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},895,"214697","Ahora, políticamente, creo que el Congreso está condenado a destituir a Zé Dirceu.",5034.12,5039.56,{"idx":5366,"utterance_id":5367,"speaker_name":8,"text":5368,"start_s":5369,"end_s":5370,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},896,"214698","Matinas.",5040.38,5040.76,{"idx":5372,"utterance_id":5373,"speaker_name":8,"text":5374,"start_s":5375,"end_s":5376,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},897,"214699","Presidente, hay una corintiana aquí, Heródoto.",5041.46,5043.58,{"idx":5378,"utterance_id":5379,"speaker_name":8,"text":5380,"start_s":5381,"end_s":5382,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},898,"214700","Quería saber, señor, ¿cree que ya tenemos la mano en la copa?",5043.64,5047.22,{"idx":5384,"utterance_id":5385,"speaker_name":8,"text":3708,"start_s":5386,"end_s":5387,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},899,"214701",5049.12,5049.3,{"idx":5389,"utterance_id":5390,"speaker_name":8,"text":5391,"start_s":5392,"end_s":5393,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},900,"214702","Mire, no sé si usted se da cuenta, soy el único político que admite el equipo al que apoyo.",5049.98,5056.38,{"idx":5395,"utterance_id":5396,"speaker_name":8,"text":5397,"start_s":5398,"end_s":5399,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},901,"214703","La mayoría dice que no es hincha de nadie; yo no lo soy de todo el mundo.",5056.68,5059.18,{"idx":5401,"utterance_id":5402,"speaker_name":8,"text":5403,"start_s":5404,"end_s":5405,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},902,"214704","Algunos dicen que apoyan a ustedes.",5059.2,5060.88,{"idx":5407,"utterance_id":5408,"speaker_name":8,"text":5409,"start_s":5410,"end_s":5411,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},903,"214705","Soy corintiano y respeto a mis adversarios.",5060.9,5065.42,{"idx":5413,"utterance_id":5414,"speaker_name":8,"text":5415,"start_s":5416,"end_s":5417,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},904,"214706","Creo que estamos muy cerca.",5066.24,5067.98,{"idx":5419,"utterance_id":5420,"speaker_name":8,"text":5421,"start_s":5422,"end_s":5423,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},905,"214707","Obviamente aún no hemos ganado, faltan cinco partidos.",5068,5070.42,{"idx":5425,"utterance_id":5426,"speaker_name":8,"text":5427,"start_s":5428,"end_s":5429,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},906,"214708","Si ganamos dos partidos más de estos, tendremos la mano en la copa.",5071.02,5074.36,{"idx":5431,"utterance_id":5432,"speaker_name":8,"text":5433,"start_s":5434,"end_s":5435,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},907,"214709","De modo que soy un hombre... ¿Usted cree que esa contusión...? Mire, yo fui quien sufrió.",5074.38,5082.58,{"idx":5437,"utterance_id":5438,"speaker_name":8,"text":5439,"start_s":5440,"end_s":5441,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},908,"214710","Soy de la generación que sufrió con Pelé.",5083.32,5085.08,{"idx":5443,"utterance_id":5444,"speaker_name":8,"text":5445,"start_s":5446,"end_s":5447,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},909,"214711","Soy de la generación humillada.",5087.28,5088.94,{"idx":5449,"utterance_id":5450,"speaker_name":8,"text":5451,"start_s":5452,"end_s":5453,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},910,"214712","Salía de la Vila Carioca para ir al Pacaembu y ver a Pelé humillar a mi hinchada, los corintianos.",5089.66,5097.04,{"idx":5455,"utterance_id":5456,"speaker_name":8,"text":5457,"start_s":5458,"end_s":5459,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},911,"214713","Cuando vi al equipo del Santos 7 a 1... Por eso usted tiene ese... Finalmente, finalmente, ¿sabe?, un poco de justicia para el equipo.",5097.94,5110.92,{"idx":5461,"utterance_id":5462,"speaker_name":8,"text":5463,"start_s":5464,"end_s":5465,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},912,"214714","Bueno, parece que eso es un defecto suyo, pero usted debe tener otros, en fin, no sé.",5110.94,5113.94,{"idx":5467,"utterance_id":5468,"speaker_name":8,"text":5469,"start_s":5470,"end_s":5471,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},913,"214715","Presidente, ¿con qué imagen quiere pasar a la historia de Brasil?",5114.14,5117.08,{"idx":5473,"utterance_id":5474,"speaker_name":8,"text":5475,"start_s":5476,"end_s":5477,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},914,"214716","He conversado con algunos empresarios y dieron puntuaciones mejores y peores para su administración de 0 a 10.",5117.12,5122.34,{"idx":5479,"utterance_id":5480,"speaker_name":8,"text":5481,"start_s":5482,"end_s":5483,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},915,"214717","¿Cómo evalúa usted su gobierno del 0 al 10?",5122.74,5124.34,{"idx":5485,"utterance_id":5486,"speaker_name":8,"text":5487,"start_s":5488,"end_s":5489,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},916,"214718","Primero, un gobierno no se mide con una nota.",5124.4,5127.34,{"idx":5491,"utterance_id":5492,"speaker_name":8,"text":5493,"start_s":5494,"end_s":5495,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},917,"214719","Si ustedes recuerdan, yo nunca di una nota ni siquiera a un gobierno cuando era oposición, porque no creo que se deba medir con una nota.",5128.76,5134.8,{"idx":5497,"utterance_id":5498,"speaker_name":8,"text":5499,"start_s":5500,"end_s":5501,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},918,"214720","Un gobierno es un proceso en... ¿cómo se dice?",5135.64,5140.34,{"idx":5503,"utterance_id":5504,"speaker_name":8,"text":5505,"start_s":5506,"end_s":5507,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},919,"214721","Es una metamorfosis, es decir, uno está siempre evolucionando, siempre transformando.",5140.42,5145.14,{"idx":5509,"utterance_id":5510,"speaker_name":8,"text":5511,"start_s":5512,"end_s":5513,"word_count":225,"indexable":13},920,"214722","Cuando hablé del empleo, de casi 4 millones de empleos, cuando hablé del Bolsa Família... cuando hablé de la estabilidad económica, son indicadores que Brasil llevaba tiempo necesitando con mucha solidez.",5146.04,5160.54,{"idx":5515,"utterance_id":5516,"speaker_name":8,"text":5517,"start_s":5518,"end_s":5519,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},921,"214723","Y hoy Brasil tiene eso con mucha solidez.",5160.56,5163.54,{"idx":5521,"utterance_id":5522,"speaker_name":8,"text":5523,"start_s":5524,"end_s":5525,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},922,"214724","Y, por lo tanto, eso es lo que va a dar credibilidad o no a los próximos pasos que el gobierno pretende dar.",5163.56,5170.84,{"idx":5527,"utterance_id":5528,"speaker_name":8,"text":5529,"start_s":5530,"end_s":5531,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},923,"214725","Creo que vamos a pasar a la historia del país según la forma en que el pueblo nos vea.",5171.7,5177.3,{"idx":5533,"utterance_id":5534,"speaker_name":8,"text":5535,"start_s":5536,"end_s":5537,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},924,"214726","No me corresponde a mí verme a mí mismo.",5178.3,5179.6,{"idx":5539,"utterance_id":5540,"speaker_name":8,"text":5541,"start_s":5542,"end_s":5543,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},925,"214727","No soy del grupo del...",5179.7,5180.84,{"idx":5545,"utterance_id":5546,"speaker_name":8,"text":5547,"start_s":5548,"end_s":5549,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},926,"214728","yo me amo.",5180.9,5181.38,{"idx":5551,"utterance_id":5552,"speaker_name":8,"text":5553,"start_s":5554,"end_s":5555,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},927,"214729","¿Sabe ese grupo del 'yo me amo'?",5182.4,5183.56,{"idx":5557,"utterance_id":5558,"speaker_name":8,"text":5559,"start_s":5560,"end_s":5561,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},928,"214730","Todo lo que hace es lo mejor del mundo.",5183.86,5185.32,{"idx":5563,"utterance_id":5564,"speaker_name":8,"text":5565,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5567,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},929,"214731","No lo soy.",5185.74,5186.14,{"idx":5569,"utterance_id":5570,"speaker_name":8,"text":5571,"start_s":5572,"end_s":5573,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},930,"214732","No lo estoy haciendo para mí.",5186.96,5187.86,{"idx":904,"utterance_id":5575,"speaker_name":8,"text":5576,"start_s":5577,"end_s":5578,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},"214733","Lo que estoy haciendo son aspiraciones que alimenté durante toda mi vida, que estoy intentando construir, sabiendo que no es posible cambiar en cuatro años.",5188.5,5196.84,{"idx":5580,"utterance_id":5581,"speaker_name":8,"text":5582,"start_s":5583,"end_s":5584,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},932,"214734","errores estructurales de 500 años, de 300 años, de 200 años.",5197.28,5201.66,{"idx":5586,"utterance_id":5587,"speaker_name":8,"text":5588,"start_s":5589,"end_s":5590,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},933,"214735","Pero por primera vez estamos poniendo al pobre en la agenda mundial.",5202.44,5206.6,{"idx":5592,"utterance_id":5593,"speaker_name":8,"text":5594,"start_s":5595,"end_s":5596,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},934,"214736","Por primera vez soy invitado a Davos.",5208.08,5210.44,{"idx":5598,"utterance_id":5599,"speaker_name":8,"text":5600,"start_s":5601,"end_s":5602,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},935,"214737","a enviar al G8.",5211.34,5212.08,{"idx":5604,"utterance_id":5605,"speaker_name":8,"text":5606,"start_s":5607,"end_s":5608,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},936,"214738","Nunca pensé en participar del G8, porque Brasil había caído.",5212.1,5216.6,{"idx":5610,"utterance_id":5611,"speaker_name":8,"text":5612,"start_s":5613,"end_s":5614,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},937,"214739","Y plantear la cuestión del hambre, discutir el hambre con los presidentes de los países más importantes del mundo.",5217.64,5222.86,{"idx":5616,"utterance_id":5617,"speaker_name":8,"text":5618,"start_s":5619,"end_s":5620,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},938,"214740","De repente usted recibe el apoyo de presidentes importantes.",5223.38,5226.52,{"idx":5622,"utterance_id":5623,"speaker_name":8,"text":5624,"start_s":5625,"end_s":5626,"word_count":163,"indexable":13},939,"214741","Hoy no existe una reunión internacional en la que la cuestión del hambre no se plantee y en la que el Bolsa Família no sea tomado como ejemplo.",5226.86,5234.02,{"idx":5628,"utterance_id":5629,"speaker_name":8,"text":5630,"start_s":5631,"end_s":5632,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},940,"214742","Así que eso es algo importante.",5234.92,5236.32,{"idx":5634,"utterance_id":5635,"speaker_name":8,"text":5636,"start_s":5637,"end_s":5638,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},941,"214743","¿Sabe por qué?",5236.34,5236.76,{"idx":5640,"utterance_id":5641,"speaker_name":8,"text":5642,"start_s":5643,"end_s":5644,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},942,"214744","Porque hay hambre.",5236.92,5237.74,{"idx":5646,"utterance_id":5647,"speaker_name":8,"text":5648,"start_s":5649,"end_s":5650,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},943,"214745","La gente se avergüenza de decir que tiene hambre.",5238.62,5240.88,{"idx":5652,"utterance_id":5653,"speaker_name":8,"text":5654,"start_s":5655,"end_s":5656,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},944,"214746","Y solo quien la ha sentido sabe lo que es el dolor de un estómago vacío.",5242.12,5246.7,{"idx":5658,"utterance_id":5659,"speaker_name":8,"text":5660,"start_s":5661,"end_s":5662,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},945,"214747","Entonces creo que estas cosas y otras van a... El programa Luz para Todos es un programa extraordinario.",5247.48,5254.54,{"idx":5664,"utterance_id":5665,"speaker_name":8,"text":5666,"start_s":5667,"end_s":5668,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},946,"214748","Si usted va a Ilha Solteira, encuentra casas a pocos kilómetros en una isla que no tenía luz.",5254.56,5260.22,{"idx":5670,"utterance_id":5671,"speaker_name":8,"text":5672,"start_s":5673,"end_s":5674,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},947,"214749","Nos comprometimos a que, hasta 2008, a través de asociaciones, garantizar la electricidad en el hogar con un 80% a cargo del gobierno federal y el resto a cargo de los gobiernos estatales.",5260.98,5272.5,{"idx":5676,"utterance_id":5677,"speaker_name":8,"text":5678,"start_s":5679,"end_s":5680,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},948,"214750","Cuando usted instala un punto de luz, está sacando a la persona de la oscuridad.",5272.58,5276.4,{"idx":5682,"utterance_id":5683,"speaker_name":8,"text":5684,"start_s":5685,"end_s":5686,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},949,"214751","Una mujer en Vitória da Conquista dijo así.",5276.8,5278.68,{"idx":5688,"utterance_id":5689,"speaker_name":8,"text":5690,"start_s":5691,"end_s":5692,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},950,"214752","Para mí, presidente, ¿sabe cuál será lo primero que voy a hacer?",5278.72,5282.44,{"idx":5694,"utterance_id":5695,"speaker_name":8,"text":5696,"start_s":5697,"end_s":5698,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},951,"214753","Pensé que iba a comprar un televisor; no, dijo que iba a comprar una licuadora.",5282.92,5286.42,{"idx":5700,"utterance_id":5701,"speaker_name":8,"text":5702,"start_s":5703,"end_s":5704,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},952,"214754","Yo le dije: '¿pero por qué?'",5287.16,5287.78,{"idx":5706,"utterance_id":5707,"speaker_name":8,"text":5708,"start_s":5709,"end_s":5710,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},953,"214755","Para que yo lo haga.",5288.64,5289.62,{"idx":5712,"utterance_id":5713,"speaker_name":8,"text":5714,"start_s":5715,"end_s":5716,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},954,"214756","hacer helados y venderlos en la feria.",5291.08,5293.22,{"idx":5718,"utterance_id":5719,"speaker_name":8,"text":5720,"start_s":5721,"end_s":5722,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},955,"214757","Lo que para nosotros, que vivimos en las grandes ciudades, no tiene ninguna importancia, para la gente pobre de este país tiene un valor extraordinario.",5293.74,5304.66,{"idx":5724,"utterance_id":5725,"speaker_name":8,"text":5726,"start_s":5727,"end_s":5728,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},956,"214758","Por eso el Bolsa Família, ya sabe, finalmente está siendo comprendido por algunos aquí dentro y ya fue comprendido en el mundo como el mayor programa de transferencia de ingresos.",5305.24,5318.82,{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":8,"text":5732,"start_s":5733,"end_s":5734,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},957,"214759","con condicionalidades.",5319.22,5320.56,{"idx":5736,"utterance_id":5737,"speaker_name":8,"text":5738,"start_s":5739,"end_s":5740,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},958,"214760","La madre tiene que matricular al hijo en la escuela, la madre tiene que vacunarlo, y la madre, si está embarazada, tiene que hacerse los exámenes necesarios.",5321.04,5327.86,{"idx":5742,"utterance_id":5743,"speaker_name":8,"text":5744,"start_s":5745,"end_s":5746,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},959,"214761","No es poca cosa.",5328.68,5329.62,{"idx":5748,"utterance_id":5749,"speaker_name":8,"text":5750,"start_s":5751,"end_s":5752,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},960,"214762","Presidente, usted ya dijo que Brasil funciona con tres CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) simultáneamente.",5330.44,5334.98,{"idx":5754,"utterance_id":5755,"speaker_name":8,"text":5756,"start_s":5757,"end_s":5758,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},961,"214763","Usted, en el 99, dijo que funcionaría hasta con 10, si fuera el caso, y yo coincido.",5335.04,5339.2,{"idx":5760,"utterance_id":5761,"speaker_name":8,"text":5762,"start_s":5763,"end_s":5764,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},962,"214764","Ahora, cada vez que surge una CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación), el gran ejemplo fue la de los Correios, lo que existe es un esfuerzo de personas ligadas al gobierno para que ésta no prospere.",5339.88,5348.74,{"idx":5766,"utterance_id":5767,"speaker_name":8,"text":5768,"start_s":5769,"end_s":5770,"word_count":195,"indexable":13},963,"214765","Acompañamos la formación de la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) de los Correios y vimos el esfuerzo que hicieron los ministros José Dirceu y Aldo Rebelo para, inclusive, lograr que Roberto Jefferson retirara su firma.",5349.32,5361.38,{"idx":5772,"utterance_id":5773,"speaker_name":8,"text":5774,"start_s":5775,"end_s":5776,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},964,"214766","¿El gobierno quiere que todo se investigue o no?",5362.88,5365.82,{"idx":5778,"utterance_id":5779,"speaker_name":8,"text":5780,"start_s":5781,"end_s":5782,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},965,"214767","Porque cada vez que surge una denuncia en una CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación), como ésta del Banco do Brasil, es inmediatamente descalificada por alguien del gobierno, como el diputado Abicalil.",5365.9,5375.36,{"idx":5784,"utterance_id":5785,"speaker_name":8,"text":5786,"start_s":5787,"end_s":5788,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},966,"214768","¿Por qué cuando surge alguna denuncia sobre el ministro Palocci, presentada por el Ministerio Público, es inmediatamente descalificada por alguien del gobierno?",5375.98,5383.96,{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":8,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},967,"214769","Entonces quería que usted transmitiera el siguiente mensaje.",5383.98,5385.68,{"idx":5796,"utterance_id":5797,"speaker_name":8,"text":5798,"start_s":5799,"end_s":5800,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},968,"214770","¿El gobierno quiere investigar, está ordenando a los diputados que investiguen o no?",5385.84,5391.1,{"idx":5802,"utterance_id":5803,"speaker_name":8,"text":5804,"start_s":5805,"end_s":5806,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},969,"214771","Primero, usted debe recordar cuántas CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) ocurrieron en el gobierno pasado.",5392.2,5400.3,{"idx":5808,"utterance_id":5809,"speaker_name":8,"text":5810,"start_s":5811,"end_s":5812,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},970,"214772","Cuántas fueron podadas dentro del Congreso Nacional.",5401.64,5404.78,{"idx":5814,"utterance_id":5815,"speaker_name":8,"text":5816,"start_s":5817,"end_s":5818,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},971,"214773","Yo, yo.",5404.8,5407.28,{"idx":5820,"utterance_id":5821,"speaker_name":8,"text":5822,"start_s":5823,"end_s":5824,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},972,"214774","Dije a mis socios de gobierno que no era posible crear ningún problema para el funcionamiento de ninguna CPI.",5407.72,5415.52,{"idx":5826,"utterance_id":5827,"speaker_name":8,"text":5828,"start_s":5829,"end_s":5830,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},973,"214775","Si la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) de los Correios tuvo problemas al principio, después no los tuvo, porque además el gobierno, yo ni siquiera estaba en Brasil, estaba viajando, tomando la decisión de que la CPI debía ser instalada.",5416.62,5427.28,{"idx":5832,"utterance_id":5833,"speaker_name":8,"text":5834,"start_s":5835,"end_s":5836,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},974,"214776","¿Quiere la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) del Mensalão?",5428.52,5430.32,{"idx":5838,"utterance_id":5839,"speaker_name":8,"text":5840,"start_s":5841,"end_s":5842,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},975,"214777","Hagan la del Mensalão.",5430.64,5431.32,{"idx":5844,"utterance_id":5845,"speaker_name":8,"text":5846,"start_s":5847,"end_s":5848,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},976,"214778","¿Quiere la del Caixa 2?",5431.84,5432.66,{"idx":5850,"utterance_id":5851,"speaker_name":8,"text":5852,"start_s":5853,"end_s":5854,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},977,"214779","Hagan la del Caixa 2.",5432.86,5433.44,{"idx":5856,"utterance_id":5857,"speaker_name":8,"text":5858,"start_s":5859,"end_s":5860,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},978,"214780","Además, porque creo que este país solo va a... pasar por un proceso de depuración cuando no tengamos miedo de las investigaciones.",5434.56,5443.44,{"idx":5862,"utterance_id":5863,"speaker_name":8,"text":5864,"start_s":5865,"end_s":5866,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},979,"214781","Ahora, ¿cuál es la precaución?",5444.2,5445.48,{"idx":5868,"utterance_id":5869,"speaker_name":8,"text":5870,"start_s":5871,"end_s":5872,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},980,"214782","La precaución es para que usted no cometa errores por precipitación.",5446,5450.54,{"idx":5874,"utterance_id":5875,"speaker_name":8,"text":5876,"start_s":5877,"end_s":5878,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},981,"214783","Estoy en contra de la pena de muerte, porque creo que las personas pueden ser inocentes.",5451.1,5455.7,{"idx":5880,"utterance_id":5881,"speaker_name":8,"text":5882,"start_s":5883,"end_s":5884,"word_count":225,"indexable":13},982,"214784","Entonces, lo que creo es que cada vez que se hace una acusación contra alguien, primero vamos a saber cuál es el grado de veracidad, para que podamos investigar con... La veracidad debe ser investigada.",5456.38,5468.34,{"idx":5886,"utterance_id":5887,"speaker_name":8,"text":5888,"start_s":5889,"end_s":5890,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},983,"214785","Y si se demuestra, usted condena a las personas, castiga a las personas.",5468.8,5472.3,{"idx":5892,"utterance_id":5893,"speaker_name":8,"text":5894,"start_s":5895,"end_s":5896,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},984,"214786","Este país tiene justicia, tiene Ministerio Público, tiene cárcel.",5472.68,5475.3,{"idx":5898,"utterance_id":5899,"speaker_name":8,"text":5900,"start_s":5901,"end_s":5902,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},985,"214787","Usted castiga.",5475.32,5476.16,{"idx":5904,"utterance_id":5905,"speaker_name":8,"text":5906,"start_s":5907,"end_s":5908,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},986,"214788","Lo que no puede hacer es, a priori, condenar a las personas.",5476.7,5479.56,{"idx":5910,"utterance_id":5911,"speaker_name":8,"text":5912,"start_s":5913,"end_s":5914,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},987,"214789","No puede.",5480.42,5480.84,{"idx":5916,"utterance_id":5917,"speaker_name":8,"text":5918,"start_s":5919,"end_s":5920,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},988,"214790","Entonces, en este asunto, soy un hombre que llevo en mi carne el sentido de la justicia.",5481.08,5487.98,{"idx":5922,"utterance_id":5923,"speaker_name":8,"text":5924,"start_s":5925,"end_s":5926,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},989,"214791","He recibido muchos golpes.",5488.92,5489.82,{"idx":5928,"utterance_id":5929,"speaker_name":8,"text":5930,"start_s":5931,"end_s":5932,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},990,"214792","También he dado muchos golpes.",5490.92,5491.8,{"idx":5934,"utterance_id":5935,"speaker_name":8,"text":5936,"start_s":5937,"end_s":5938,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},991,"214793","Y creo que... Cuanto más cuidado tengamos, cuanto más juicio tengamos, cuanto más sensibilidad tengamos para analizar las situaciones, por más graves que sean, más certeza tendremos de acertar en las decisiones.",5493.02,5511.68,{"idx":5940,"utterance_id":5941,"speaker_name":8,"text":5942,"start_s":5943,"end_s":5944,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},992,"214794","tendremos.",5512.12,5512.7,{"idx":5946,"utterance_id":5947,"speaker_name":8,"text":5948,"start_s":5949,"end_s":5950,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},993,"214795","La precipitación no ayuda a nadie.",5513.06,5515.82,{"idx":5952,"utterance_id":5953,"speaker_name":8,"text":5954,"start_s":5955,"end_s":5956,"word_count":189,"indexable":13},994,"214796","Por eso, de vez en cuando critico esa... esa sospecha que se crea sobre todo el mundo cada día: se dice algo hoy, mañana ya no se dice.",5515.94,5525.38,{"idx":5958,"utterance_id":5959,"speaker_name":8,"text":5960,"start_s":5961,"end_s":5962,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},995,"214797","¿Hay mecanismos para investigar?",5525.78,5528.1,{"idx":5964,"utterance_id":5965,"speaker_name":8,"text":4332,"start_s":5966,"end_s":5967,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},996,"214798",5528.16,5528.26,{"idx":5969,"utterance_id":5970,"speaker_name":8,"text":5971,"start_s":5972,"end_s":5973,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},997,"214799","Vamos a investigar.",5528.28,5528.78,{"idx":5975,"utterance_id":5976,"speaker_name":8,"text":5971,"start_s":5977,"end_s":5978,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},998,"214800",5529.4,5529.88,{"idx":5980,"utterance_id":5981,"speaker_name":8,"text":5982,"start_s":5983,"end_s":5984,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},999,"214801","Y entonces diremos que todos tendrán derecho a ser juzgados decentemente en este país.",5530.82,5536.84,{"idx":5986,"utterance_id":5987,"speaker_name":8,"text":5988,"start_s":5989,"end_s":5990,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},1000,"214802","Sé que usted también responderá a esta pregunta: 'vamos a investigar', pero tengo que hacerla.",5537.2,5541.14,{"idx":5992,"utterance_id":5993,"speaker_name":8,"text":5994,"start_s":5995,"end_s":5996,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},1001,"214803","La revista Veja, de la semana pasada, publicó una denuncia de que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) habría recibido entre 3 millones y 1 millón 400 mil dólares de Cuba.",5541.62,5549.9,{"idx":5998,"utterance_id":5999,"speaker_name":8,"text":6000,"start_s":6001,"end_s":6002,"word_count":249,"indexable":13},1002,"214804","Y esta semana publica una entrevista con el piloto del avión que supuestamente habría traído —o mejor dicho, llevado; estamos en Brasilia— llevado aquí desde Brasilia a São Paulo, interior de São Paulo, las cajas de bebidas donde supuestamente estaría ese dinero.",5550.56,5562.76,{"idx":6004,"utterance_id":6005,"speaker_name":8,"text":6006,"start_s":6007,"end_s":6008,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},1003,"214805","¿Cómo enfrenta usted esa denuncia?",5562.88,5565.04,{"idx":6010,"utterance_id":6011,"speaker_name":8,"text":6012,"start_s":6013,"end_s":6014,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},1004,"214806","Primero, no puedo creerlo.",5565.06,5567.02,{"idx":6016,"utterance_id":6017,"speaker_name":8,"text":6018,"start_s":6019,"end_s":6020,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},1005,"214807","No hay forma de creerlo.",5568.1,5569.42,{"idx":6022,"utterance_id":6023,"speaker_name":8,"text":6024,"start_s":6025,"end_s":6026,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},1006,"214808","Porque conozco la miseria que está viviendo Cuba.",5570.28,5575.26,{"idx":6028,"utterance_id":6029,"speaker_name":8,"text":6030,"start_s":6031,"end_s":6032,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},1007,"214809","La pobreza que está viviendo Cuba.",5576.22,5577.74,{"idx":6034,"utterance_id":6035,"speaker_name":8,"text":6036,"start_s":6037,"end_s":6038,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},1008,"214810","Tenemos líneas de crédito para Cuba para financiar la compra de soja y la compra de leche para niños.",5578.54,5585.76,{"idx":6040,"utterance_id":6041,"speaker_name":8,"text":6042,"start_s":6043,"end_s":6044,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},1009,"214811","Estamos financiando.",5585.78,5586.4,{"idx":6046,"utterance_id":6047,"speaker_name":8,"text":6048,"start_s":6049,"end_s":6050,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},1010,"214812","No puedo.",5586.42,5587.22,{"idx":6052,"utterance_id":6053,"speaker_name":8,"text":6054,"start_s":6055,"end_s":6056,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},1011,"214813","Ese es el tipo de acusación, Marcum, que me parece tan inverosímil.",5587.68,5592.28,{"idx":6058,"utterance_id":6059,"speaker_name":8,"text":6060,"start_s":6061,"end_s":6062,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},1012,"214814","Porque un ciudadano dice que hizo eso, que vino aquí, que llevó la bebida y que después se enteró de que era dinero.",5593.62,5601.06,{"idx":6064,"utterance_id":6065,"speaker_name":8,"text":6066,"start_s":6067,"end_s":6068,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},1013,"214815","¿Quién le dijo que era dinero?",5601.12,5601.88,{"idx":6070,"utterance_id":6071,"speaker_name":8,"text":6072,"start_s":6073,"end_s":6074,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},1014,"214816","Un muerto.",5602,5602.38,{"idx":6076,"utterance_id":6077,"speaker_name":8,"text":6078,"start_s":6079,"end_s":6080,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},1015,"214817","Ah, no puede ser.",5602.52,5602.94,{"idx":6082,"utterance_id":6083,"speaker_name":8,"text":6084,"start_s":6085,"end_s":6086,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},1016,"214818","Pero, ciudadano, dijo que eran personas vinculadas al ministro de Hacienda.",5603.38,5606.22,{"idx":6088,"utterance_id":6089,"speaker_name":8,"text":2952,"start_s":6090,"end_s":6091,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},1017,"214819",5606.24,5606.88,{"idx":6093,"utterance_id":6094,"speaker_name":8,"text":2952,"start_s":6095,"end_s":6096,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},1018,"214820",5607.44,5608.02,{"idx":6098,"utterance_id":6099,"speaker_name":8,"text":6100,"start_s":6101,"end_s":6102,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},1019,"214821","Puedo decir de corazón que no puedo creer que Cuba tenga dinero para dar al PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) o a cualquier otro partido político en el planeta Tierra hoy.",5608.62,5618.28,{"idx":6104,"utterance_id":6105,"speaker_name":8,"text":6106,"start_s":6107,"end_s":6108,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},1020,"214822","Basado en esa propia evaluación suya de que Cuba hoy vive en la miseria, vive con dificultades económicas, ¿es hora de cambiar el régimen en Cuba?",5618.94,5627.46,{"idx":6110,"utterance_id":6111,"speaker_name":8,"text":6112,"start_s":6113,"end_s":6114,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1021,"214823","Eso es un problema de los cubanos, Matinas, por el amor de Dios.",5628.3,5630.92,{"idx":6116,"utterance_id":6117,"speaker_name":8,"text":6118,"start_s":6119,"end_s":6120,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},1022,"214824","No puedo dar una opinión sobre algo que compete a los cubanos.",5631.76,5636.58,{"idx":6122,"utterance_id":6123,"speaker_name":8,"text":6124,"start_s":6125,"end_s":6126,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},1023,"214825","Si dependiera de mí, si dependiera de mí, Cuba viviría bajo un régimen más democrático, como el que vivimos aquí.",5636.6,5643.98,{"idx":6128,"utterance_id":6129,"speaker_name":8,"text":6130,"start_s":6131,"end_s":6132,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},1024,"214826","No depende de mí; al menos debo permitir que los cubanos, en su soberanía, tengan autodeterminación.",5645.04,5651.72,{"idx":6134,"utterance_id":6135,"speaker_name":8,"text":6136,"start_s":6137,"end_s":6138,"word_count":86,"indexable":13},1025,"214827","Toda esta crisis demostró a la sociedad brasileña que mucho de aquello que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) decía ser diferente de los otros partidos no lo era.",5652.56,5662.26,{"idx":6140,"utterance_id":6141,"speaker_name":8,"text":6142,"start_s":6143,"end_s":6144,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},1026,"214828","Al menos buena parte de los dirigentes del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores).",5663.34,5666.06,{"idx":6146,"utterance_id":6147,"speaker_name":8,"text":6148,"start_s":6149,"end_s":6150,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},1027,"214829","en ese período, en ese período reciente, tuvieron prácticas que no son aceptables de ninguna manera, independientemente de que los prejuzguemos o no.",5666.66,5675.16,{"idx":6152,"utterance_id":6153,"speaker_name":8,"text":6154,"start_s":6155,"end_s":6156,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},1028,"214830","Y usted, como conoce el partido a fondo, al fin y al cabo, la idea fue suya, usted fue quien más se empeñó, quería que usted explicara, si es que es posible,",5675.66,5683.66,{"idx":6158,"utterance_id":6159,"speaker_name":8,"text":6160,"start_s":6161,"end_s":6162,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},1029,"214831","por qué cree usted",5684.06,5684.8,{"idx":6164,"utterance_id":6165,"speaker_name":8,"text":6166,"start_s":6167,"end_s":6168,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},1030,"214832","que esto sucedió, qué",5684.86,5686.16,{"idx":6170,"utterance_id":6171,"speaker_name":8,"text":6172,"start_s":6173,"end_s":6174,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},1031,"214833","fue lo que llevó",5686.18,5686.76,{"idx":6176,"utterance_id":6177,"speaker_name":8,"text":6178,"start_s":6179,"end_s":6180,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},1032,"214834","a militantes de un partido que tenía esa propuesta",5687.44,5690.2,{"idx":6182,"utterance_id":6183,"speaker_name":8,"text":6184,"start_s":6185,"end_s":6186,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},1033,"214835","a",5690.74,5690.76,{"idx":6188,"utterance_id":6189,"speaker_name":8,"text":6190,"start_s":6191,"end_s":6192,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},1034,"214836","cambiar, a equivocarse en su conducta.",5691.96,5693.48,{"idx":6194,"utterance_id":6195,"speaker_name":8,"text":6196,"start_s":6197,"end_s":6198,"word_count":61,"indexable":13},1035,"214837","Y, finalmente, para que no terminemos el programa.",5693.54,5695.64,{"idx":6200,"utterance_id":6201,"speaker_name":8,"text":6202,"start_s":6203,"end_s":6204,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},1036,"214838","Solo con esa constatación, ¿qué cree usted que va a pasar con el PT de ahora en adelante?",5696.3,5702.02,{"idx":6206,"utterance_id":6207,"speaker_name":8,"text":6208,"start_s":6209,"end_s":6210,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},1037,"214839","Mire, le confieso que no sé por qué la gente caminó por ese camino.",5702.04,5708.76,{"idx":6212,"utterance_id":6213,"speaker_name":8,"text":6214,"start_s":6215,"end_s":6216,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},1038,"214840","No lo sé.",5709.64,5710.42,{"idx":6218,"utterance_id":6219,"speaker_name":8,"text":6220,"start_s":6221,"end_s":6222,"word_count":131,"indexable":13},1039,"214841","Creo que el tiempo se encargará de hacer que todos tengamos la verdad más absoluta.",5710.98,5717.5,{"idx":6224,"utterance_id":6225,"speaker_name":8,"text":6226,"start_s":6227,"end_s":6228,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1040,"214842","¿Qué llevó a un dirigente como Denudo a tercerizar las finanzas?",5719.2,5723.66,{"idx":6230,"utterance_id":6231,"speaker_name":8,"text":6232,"start_s":6233,"end_s":6234,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},1041,"214843","¿Sabe?",5724.86,5725.1,{"idx":6236,"utterance_id":6237,"speaker_name":8,"text":6238,"start_s":6239,"end_s":6240,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},1042,"214844","cuando es algo de la más alta responsabilidad.",5725.42,5728.14,{"idx":6242,"utterance_id":6243,"speaker_name":8,"text":6244,"start_s":6245,"end_s":6246,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},1043,"214845","Entonces eso será investigado.",5728.92,5730.88,{"idx":6248,"utterance_id":6249,"speaker_name":8,"text":6250,"start_s":6251,"end_s":6252,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},1044,"214846","Lo que va a pasar con el PT, vimos un poco lo que sucedió en el PED.",5731.52,5735.56,{"idx":6254,"utterance_id":6255,"speaker_name":8,"text":6256,"start_s":6257,"end_s":6258,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},1045,"214847","Mucha gente imaginaba que el PT estaba muerto y más de 320 mil personas acudieron a votar en la contienda interna del partido.",5736.66,5746.4,{"idx":6260,"utterance_id":6261,"speaker_name":8,"text":6262,"start_s":6263,"end_s":6264,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},1046,"214848","Significa que el partido tiene mucho 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Toda mi vida, el único legado que quiero dejar a mis hijos es el derecho a andar con la cabeza en alto.",5842.48,5855.92,{"idx":6367,"utterance_id":6368,"speaker_name":8,"text":6369,"start_s":6370,"end_s":6371,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},1064,"214866","Es poder mirar hacia adelante.",5856.92,5857.92,{"idx":6373,"utterance_id":6374,"speaker_name":8,"text":6375,"start_s":6376,"end_s":6377,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},1065,"214867","Es poder tratar a las personas, cuando ya no sea presidente, con el mismo cariño con que las trataba antes de ser presidente.",5858.58,5864.74,{"idx":6379,"utterance_id":6380,"speaker_name":8,"text":6381,"start_s":6382,"end_s":6383,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1066,"214868","Es ser llamado compañero y llamar a los demás compañero.",5865.16,5868.16,{"idx":6385,"utterance_id":6386,"speaker_name":8,"text":6387,"start_s":6388,"end_s":6389,"word_count":74,"indexable":13},1067,"214869","Estoy seguro... de que valió la pena porque llevamos 36 meses en el gobierno, solo puedo comparar mi gobierno con los que asumí después de ellos.",5868.64,5879.98,{"idx":6391,"utterance_id":6392,"speaker_name":8,"text":6393,"start_s":6394,"end_s":6395,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1068,"214870","Y tengo razones de sobra, razones de sobra para creerlo.",5880.9,5884.7,{"idx":6397,"utterance_id":6398,"speaker_name":8,"text":6399,"start_s":6400,"end_s":6401,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1069,"214871","Un país que logró lo que logramos en la economía.",5885.32,5888.54,{"idx":6403,"utterance_id":6404,"speaker_name":8,"text":6405,"start_s":6406,"end_s":6407,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1070,"214872","Un país que consiguió la generación de empleo que generamos.",5888.98,5891.64,{"idx":6409,"utterance_id":6410,"speaker_name":8,"text":6411,"start_s":6412,"end_s":6413,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},1071,"214873","Un país que consiguió crear el programa Bolsa 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