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muy buenas noches para usted que está aquí con nosotros en UOL, canal UOL, nuestro canal en YouTube, en la Folha de São Paulo.",351.88,360.74,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":174,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":190,"indexable":177},2,"103238","Soy Daniela Lima, estoy como siempre muy bien acompañada por mi colega Fábio Zanini, editor jefe de la columna Painel de la Folha de São Paulo.",361.32,370.42,24,{"idx":192,"utterance_id":193,"speaker_name":174,"text":194,"start_s":195,"end_s":196,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},3,"103239","Y este es su Frente a Frente, un programa de entrevistas creado en una iniciativa rarísima entre la Folha y UOL.",370.96,379.48,{"idx":198,"utterance_id":199,"speaker_name":174,"text":200,"start_s":201,"end_s":202,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},4,"103240","que cada semana, todos los lunes, trae personajes que moldean los rumbos del debate político en 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quiero decir al elector es que, en este período de 37 años, el PT gobernó el país 20 años.",606.58,615.54,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":383,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":384,"start_s":385,"end_s":386,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},"103268","O 18.",617.3,617.64,{"idx":32,"utterance_id":388,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":389,"start_s":390,"end_s":391,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},"103269","Ese intersticio de Dilma.",619.44,621.06,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},34,"103270","18.",621.08,621.22,{"idx":399,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},35,"103271","El PT trajo realmente algo que decepcionó mucho al brasileño.",625.22,631.26,{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":217,"topic_slug":410,"topic_label":411,"target_id":412,"target_proposition":413,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":415,"indexable":177},36,"103272","Brasil dejó de ser una referencia internacional.",632.28,634.74,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Política exterior y diplomacia","b94580e5-8742-4a89-936c-64526415ede0","restaurar el respeto y la admiración internacional por Brasil",0.82,"Afirma 'O Brasil deixou de ser referência internacional' criticando la gestión pasada.",{"idx":417,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":285,"target_proposition":286,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":326,"rationale":422,"indexable":177},37,"103273","Brasil dejó de crecer.",635.54,637.12,"Dice 'O Brasil deixou de crescer' y critica el período gobernado por el PT.",{"idx":169,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":250,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":428,"target_proposition":429,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":431,"indexable":290},"103274","Brasil dio espacio a la criminalidad, dio espacio al narcotráfico.",637.82,642.5,"ee8f5616-94a7-4fdf-ae87-1f2bd1fd1200","combatir el narcotráfico y la criminalidad",0.9,"Afirma que el país 'deu espaço para a criminalidade' y para el narcotráfico.",{"idx":433,"utterance_id":434,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":435,"start_s":436,"end_s":437,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":438,"target_proposition":439,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":440,"indexable":290},39,"103275","Hoy, un partido que acumula a su alrededor frecuencia de escándalos, de corrupción, de enriquecimiento ilícito.",643.12,653.98,"b79141be-ee7e-4300-b1f4-35003ab03d9f","combatir la corrupción y el enriquecimiento ilícito","Asocia al partido con 'escândalos, de corrupção, de enriquecimento ilícito' y lo critica.",{"idx":442,"utterance_id":443,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":444,"start_s":445,"end_s":446,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":447,"target_proposition":448,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":326,"rationale":449,"indexable":290},40,"103276","de baja calidad en la educación, en la seguridad pública, sin darle al ciudadano las condiciones mínimas para desarrollar su propia actividad.",654.64,666.1,"372a3caf-3f99-4f27-96a2-aa2497b7b2a8","mejorar la calidad de la educación","Cita 'baixa qualidade de educação' como un problema a enfrentar.",{"idx":451,"utterance_id":452,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":453,"start_s":454,"end_s":455,"word_count":242,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":456,"target_proposition":457,"stance":458,"stance_confidence":459,"rationale":460,"indexable":177},41,"103277","El brasileño hoy gasta más de 155 mil millones por año solo en estructura de seguridad para poder mantener su empresa.",666.6,676.98,"32408c11-642e-4619-9f8a-519d006882eb","reducir la violencia","neutro_descritivo",0.7,"Presenta un dato sobre gastos en seguridad sin proponer una acción concreta en ese discurso.",{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":467,"topic_label":468,"target_id":469,"target_proposition":470,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":472,"indexable":290},42,"103278","Un costo Brasil hoy que llega al 30% por la burocracia.",677.62,682.52,"ambiente-de-negocios","Ambiente de negocios","510ee980-2bb3-409a-9226-e27a087dfe07","simplificar reglas para emprendedores y inversores",0.8,"Cita 'custo Brasil... 30% com burocracia' criticando los obstáculos al mercado.",{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":479,"topic_slug":480,"topic_label":481,"target_id":482,"target_proposition":483,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":288,"rationale":484,"indexable":290},43,"103279","Al mismo tiempo, la baja tecnología ofrecida hoy al mercado, la falta de apoyo en el área de la inteligencia artificial, en lo relativo a combustibles y a la generación de energía como fuente sostenible que tenemos, dejan mucho que desear en un país que perdió su referencia en el escenario internacional.",683.1,704.72,46,"inovacao-e-pesquisa","Innovación y Investigación","c720d019-b7ee-4905-8e9c-ffa7948f102c","promover el desarrollo y la adopción de inteligencia artificial","Dice que falta 'apoio na área da inteligência artificial' al sector productivo.",{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},44,"103280","Eso es muy malo.",704.78,705.4,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},45,"103281","Y en este momento, lo agravante que veo es que no se trata sólo de un rasgo",705.98,710.8,{"idx":479,"utterance_id":498,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":499,"start_s":500,"end_s":501,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},"103282","de la política nacional: la polarización.",711.28,714.4,{"idx":503,"utterance_id":504,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":505,"start_s":506,"end_s":507,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},47,"103283","Ese proyecto de polarización es un proyecto político de quienes desean la polarización.",715.52,720.68,{"idx":509,"utterance_id":510,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":511,"start_s":512,"end_s":513,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},48,"103284","Y exactamente una persona que cree en la política, que cree en la democracia, será capaz de romper ese proceso, como yo.",721.98,730.34,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":516,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":517,"start_s":518,"end_s":519,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":520,"topic_label":521,"target_id":522,"target_proposition":523,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":326,"rationale":524,"indexable":290},49,"103285","Creo que seré capaz de romperlo y realmente hacer que la sociedad entienda que es con resultados prácticos, con entregas prácticas, que mejoraremos el país.",730.78,740.7,"polarizacao-politica-e-divisao-do-pais","Polarización política","7515ee6f-b469-4db1-a2b3-734fe7ee9836","reducir la polarización política y promover la unidad nacional","Afirma 'acredito que serei capaz de rompê-lo' refiriéndose a la polarización.",{"idx":526,"utterance_id":527,"speaker_name":174,"text":528,"start_s":529,"end_s":530,"word_count":236,"indexable":177},50,"103286","Ahora, gobernador, ¿por qué el elector de derecha debería votar por usted y no por Flávio Bolsonaro, por ejemplo?",740.74,747.58,{"idx":532,"utterance_id":533,"speaker_name":174,"text":534,"start_s":535,"end_s":536,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},51,"103287","Deme argumentos.",747.64,748.78,{"idx":229,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":174,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":242,"indexable":177},"103288","Para que esa elección se haga, recordemos que el elenco de candidatos hoy está un poco congestionado en la derecha.",749.62,757.08,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":174,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":355,"indexable":177},53,"103289","Está usted, está Zema, está Flávio, evidentemente Renan Santos, incluso Aldo Rebelo, que es un excomunista, se acercó un poco a la derecha, o bastante a la derecha.",757.14,765.58,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":174,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},54,"103290","¿Por qué el elector debería elegirle a usted y no a Flávio Bolsonaro?",765.94,770.1,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},55,"103291","Primero, decir que soy entusiasta del debate.",770.8,775.36,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},56,"103292","Y soy un demócrata en esencia.",776.8,779.2,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},57,"103293","Yo no cuestiono el resultado.",779.52,781.12,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":174,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},58,"103294","Flávio lo cuestiona, ¿usted cree?",781.46,782.7,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},59,"103295","No, no estoy diciendo eso.",783.18,785.16,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},60,"103296","Estoy hablando de mi trayectoria de 38 años en la política nacional.",785.22,791.1,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},61,"103297","El resultado de las urnas siempre lo he acogido y respetado.",791.94,795.16,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},62,"103298","Soy un hombre que conoce ambas caras de la 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Es que esta tesis, mire, el gobierno tiene esto, aquí está la burbuja del PL, aquí está la burbuja del PT.",859.54,867.7,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},74,"103310","¿No empezó el debate?",868.2,869.32,{"idx":676,"utterance_id":677,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":678,"start_s":679,"end_s":680,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},75,"103311","Vamos a ver quién es el que va a convencer más al elector.",870.2,873.74,{"idx":682,"utterance_id":683,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":684,"start_s":685,"end_s":686,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},76,"103312","No hay esa franja rígida, consolidada, no.",874.42,878.36,{"idx":688,"utterance_id":689,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":690,"start_s":691,"end_s":692,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},77,"103313","El elector está abierto a escuchar a quien lo vaya a convencer.",878.86,882.6,{"idx":694,"utterance_id":695,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":696,"start_s":697,"end_s":698,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},78,"103314","Ahora, no estoy hablando por intuición; estoy hablando de mi vida en el Congreso Nacional, que puede ser leída.",883.3,889.96,{"idx":700,"utterance_id":701,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":702,"start_s":703,"end_s":704,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},79,"103315","como diputado y senador, y mi vida como gobernador.",890.5,893.16,{"idx":706,"utterance_id":707,"speaker_name":174,"text":708,"start_s":709,"end_s":710,"word_count":236,"indexable":177},80,"103316","Ahora, gobernador, hay un... De hecho, usted siempre tuvo una convivencia muy respetuosa con todos los colegas del Senado.",893.3,903.8,{"idx":712,"utterance_id":713,"speaker_name":174,"text":714,"start_s":715,"end_s":716,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},81,"103317","No busque eso, no va a encontrar un escándalo de Ronaldo Caiado en el Senado Federal.",903.86,908.76,{"idx":718,"utterance_id":719,"speaker_name":174,"text":720,"start_s":721,"end_s":722,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},82,"103318","Y eso que los escándalos eran mucho más divertidos en su época, tengo que reconocer aquí.",909.12,914.08,{"idx":724,"utterance_id":725,"speaker_name":174,"text":726,"start_s":727,"end_s":728,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},83,"103319","Pero mucha gente, incluso por usted ser médico, usted habló, por ejemplo, de la pérdida de relevancia internacional de Brasil.",914.66,921.1,{"idx":730,"utterance_id":731,"speaker_name":174,"text":732,"start_s":733,"end_s":734,"word_count":21,"indexable":177},84,"103320","Mucha gente extrañó el apoyo que usted prestó al expresidente Jair Messias Bolsonaro precisamente por ese historial que usted tiene.",922.66,931.4,{"idx":284,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":174,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},"103321","Usted es un hombre de la ciencia.",931.52,932.72,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":174,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":43,"indexable":177},86,"103322","Usted libró una batalla durante la pandemia, no sucumbió a las ideas negacionistas, sí aplicó el 'quedarse en casa' durante los periodos más agudos y estimuló la vacunación.",934.42,950.64,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":174,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},87,"103323","Pero, al mismo tiempo, usted... prestó apoyo, respaldo.",951.52,956.88,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":174,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":43,"indexable":177},88,"103324","¿Qué movilizó Bolsonaro en usted, hasta el punto de que hoy mucha gente, si vas al gobierno de Lula, dicen: 'ah, ¿vieron el lanzamiento de Caiado?'",957.68,966.36,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":174,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},89,"103325","Ah, lo vi, pero entonces, por ejemplo, él está hablando de amnistía.",966.44,968.46,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":174,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},90,"103326","¿Por qué van a votar por el genérico si tienen un Bolsonaro original?",968.74,972,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":174,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":242,"indexable":177},91,"103327","Explique para quien está en casa cómo se da ese acercamiento y por qué usted decide seguir otro camino.",973.22,978.82,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},92,"103328","Eso es importante.",979.44,980.28,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},93,"103329","Cuando uno está en la segunda vuelta, el elector tiene que optar entre uno y otro.",980.82,986.9,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},94,"103330","No tienes la tercera opción.",987.02,988.46,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},95,"103331","En la segunda vuelta, tienes que... 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Flávio?",1016.28,1018.06,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":174,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},100,"103336","¿Cómo?",1018.64,1018.84,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":174,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},101,"103337","La divergencia suya con Flávio Bolsonaro es algo que me gustaría entender.",1019.14,1021.42,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},102,"103338","En primer lugar, usted nunca me vio cuestionando el voto.",1021.46,1023.28,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":174,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},103,"103339","Eso, esa la dijo usted.",1023.36,1024.26,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":174,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},104,"103340","¿Hay alguna más?",1024.36,1024.82,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},105,"103341","Usted nunca me vio cuestionando la ciencia.",1024.86,1026.76,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},106,"103342","¿Está bien?",1028.04,1028.42,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},107,"103343","Usted no me vio dando discursos.",1029.62,1031.68,{"idx":873,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},108,"103344","Usted me ha visto con acciones para garantizar la seguridad pública en mi Estado.",1031.94,1035.9,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},109,"103345","Usted me ha visto con acciones y teniendo la mejor educación de Brasil, el primer lugar en el IDEB.",1037.46,1042.84,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},110,"103346","Entonces, le doy hechos concretos que construí en el gobierno.",1044.32,1047.38,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},111,"103347","Ahora, digo más.",1047.66,1048.5,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":21,"indexable":177},112,"103348","Ahí es donde creo que es importante pedir la reflexión de todos los que nos están oyendo aquí, viéndonos en este momento.",1049.68,1056.12,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},113,"103349","El PT tuvo cinco mandatos, estaba en el cuarto, perdió frente al PL.",1059.32,1064.66,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},114,"103350","Si el PL hubiera hecho una buena gestión, el PT no habría sido elegido en 2022.",1067.78,1074.64,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},115,"103351","¿Por qué el PT no es opción en mi Estado?",1079.44,1082.32,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},116,"103352","Y ni siquiera en los estados donde están bien gobernados.",1082.78,1086.68,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},117,"103353","Entonces, la interrogante que queda en este momento en que el elector va a prestar atención es la siguiente.",1087.82,1093.16,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},118,"103354","Si el PT gana en la segunda vuelta, cualquiera que entre va a ganar.",1093.94,1098.9,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},119,"103355","Pero ese cualquiera que entre, entonces elector, ¿él va a gobernar?",1099.78,1105.74,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},120,"103356","¿Tiene autoridad moral para gobernar?",1106.88,1110.78,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},121,"103357","¿Sabe gobernar?",1112.14,1113.64,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},122,"103358","¿Conoce la liturgia del cargo?",1114.1,1116.38,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},123,"103359","¿Va a tener que aprender en el puesto o ya sabe cómo ejercer su función de presidente?",1118.42,1125.52,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":32,"indexable":177},124,"103360","De llamar al presidente de la Cámara de Diputados, del Senado, del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y decir: \"esta es la realidad de Brasil y vamos a tomar decisiones concretas ahora y de ahora en adelante hay presidente de la República\".",1126.5,1138.34,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},125,"103361","Entonces, esa autoridad moral es la que la sociedad va a percibir.",1138.94,1143.14,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},126,"103362","¿Quién es el candidato que podrá llegar allí?",1144,1146.14,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":9,"indexable":177},127,"103363","Entonces, yo tengo una vida política junto a eso, una experiencia como legislador, una experiencia como ejecutivo y en condiciones morales para poder ejercer el presidencialismo.",1146.86,1160.26,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":174,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":362,"indexable":177},128,"103364","Entiendo entonces que la principal diferencia en la evaluación suya reside en que tengo una hoja de servicios prestados, la gente puede evaluar los servicios que presté.",1160.3,1168.26,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":174,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},129,"103365","Entonces, vamos a desglosar y empezar a pasar por los puntos espinosos, ¿no?",1168.84,1172.3,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":174,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},130,"103366","El Congreso, que usted conoce muy bien, estábamos hablando aquí fuera del aire un poquito antes de comenzar la conversación, ¿no?",1172.64,1178.52,{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":174,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},131,"103367","El Congreso cambió demasiado, gobernador.",1179.2,1180.82,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":174,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},132,"103368","El Congreso cambió demasiado.",1181.26,1183.38,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":174,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},133,"103369","El mismo Senado, que era Cámara Alta, Casa de los Grandes Debates.",1183.58,1187.66,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":174,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},134,"103370","Cada tanto se arma un agarrón de los grandes, ¿no?",1188.34,1190.46,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":174,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},135,"103371","El presupuesto, por ejemplo, la ejecución impositiva de las enmiendas.",1191.04,1195.28,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":174,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},136,"103372","¿Eso fue un avance o es un atraso en Brasil?",1195.52,1198.28,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":174,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},137,"103373","¿Y qué pretende hacer usted con respecto a eso?",1198.36,1200.82,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":1053,"speaker_name":174,"text":1054,"start_s":1055,"end_s":1056,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},"103374","Porque, básicamente, hay parlamentarios hoy que solo se dedican a gestionar partidas presupuestarias.",1200.86,1207.86,{"idx":1058,"utterance_id":1059,"speaker_name":174,"text":1060,"start_s":1061,"end_s":1062,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},139,"103375","¿Y entonces, qué haremos?",1209.24,1210.88,{"idx":1064,"utterance_id":1065,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1066,"start_s":1067,"end_s":1068,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},140,"103376","¿En resumen, eso está bien?",1212.54,1213.38,{"idx":1070,"utterance_id":1071,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1072,"start_s":1073,"end_s":1074,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},141,"103377","Usted está describiendo una realidad.",1215.44,1216.9,{"idx":1076,"utterance_id":1077,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1078,"start_s":1079,"end_s":1080,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},142,"103378","¿Dónde está la vida en las comisiones de grandes temas que nosotros discutíamos?",1217.34,1220.7,{"idx":1082,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},143,"103379","¿En los grandes enfrentamientos en los plenos hasta la madrugada?",1221.4,1223.98,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},"103380","¿Gente que conocía el reglamento interno, que tenía contenido para debatir?",1224.92,1228.52,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},145,"103381","¿Dónde está usted viendo hoy una PEC ser votada por voto virtual?",1229.26,1232.7,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},146,"103382","¿Qué es eso?",1234.56,1235.16,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},147,"103383","¿Es la desmoralización completa del Congreso?",1235.94,1238.4,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":174,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},148,"103384","PEC es proyecto de enmienda constitucional.",1238.58,1241.24,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":174,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},149,"103385","Entonces están añadiendo a la Carta Magna mediante voto virtual.",1241.72,1245.52,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},150,"103386","Entrando, modificando, alterando.",1245.56,1247.64,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":1134,"topic_label":1135,"target_id":1136,"target_proposition":1137,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":288,"rationale":1138,"indexable":290},151,"103387","Votando temas de relevancia como la reforma tributaria, que la mayoría no sabe qué votó.",1248.64,1253.78,"desempenho-do-congresso-e-representacao-parlamentar","Desempeño del Congreso","1bd0a9ea-a648-437c-9ef3-4a9f43cbee16","restaurar la calidad del debate y la votación presencial en el Congreso Nacional","Critica la PEC votada por voto virtual y la 'pobreza do debate' en el Legislativo.",{"idx":1140,"utterance_id":1141,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1142,"start_s":1143,"end_s":1144,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},152,"103388","Ah, el líder orientó el voto.",1255.66,1257.2,{"idx":1146,"utterance_id":1147,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1148,"start_s":1149,"end_s":1150,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},153,"103389","Sí, pero venga, ¿sobre qué tema?",1257.36,1258.78,{"idx":1152,"utterance_id":1153,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1154,"start_s":1155,"end_s":1156,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},154,"103390","Entonces, con esa pobreza del debate usted casi le roba la belleza al Legislativo.",1260.12,1271.98,{"idx":1158,"utterance_id":1159,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1160,"start_s":1161,"end_s":1162,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},155,"103391","En mi época, teníamos un millón de enmiendas, un millón de reais en enmiendas.",1272.02,1277.16,{"idx":1164,"utterance_id":1165,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1166,"start_s":1167,"end_s":1168,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},156,"103392","Sin ser positivas.",1277.94,1279.3,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":174,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},"103393","¿Cree usted que la enmienda positiva debería ser modificada?",1279.36,1282.06,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":174,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":1180,"topic_label":1181,"target_id":1182,"target_proposition":1183,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":1184,"indexable":177},158,"103394","Claro que tiene que ser.",1282.16,1283.1,"emendas-parlamentares","Enmiendas parlamentarias","e79b35f1-e2c3-4ea9-b0c1-05eb4856c1de","modificar la enmienda impositiva","Responde afirmativamente 'Lógico que tem que ser' sobre modificar la enmienda impositiva.",{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":174,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},159,"103395","Usted eliminaría la enmienda positiva.",1284,1286.14,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},160,"103396","Zanine, usted es presidente de la República.",1286.24,1288.98,{"idx":1198,"utterance_id":1199,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1200,"start_s":1201,"end_s":1202,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},161,"103397","Quien registra el plan de gobierno es el candidato.",1289.82,1293.66,{"idx":1204,"utterance_id":1205,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1206,"start_s":1207,"end_s":1208,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},162,"103398","Ya sea él presidente, gobernador o alcalde.",1294.52,1297.4,{"idx":1210,"utterance_id":1211,"speaker_name":174,"text":1212,"start_s":1213,"end_s":1214,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},163,"103399","Entonces ahí está un punto en el que usted está de acuerdo con Lula.",1297.46,1299.02,{"idx":1216,"utterance_id":1217,"speaker_name":174,"text":1218,"start_s":1219,"end_s":1220,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},164,"103400","Usted dijo que no tiene convergencia alguna con Lula.",1299.06,1300.94,{"idx":1222,"utterance_id":1223,"speaker_name":174,"text":1224,"start_s":1225,"end_s":1226,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},165,"103401","En eso, usted sí.",1301.08,1302.28,{"idx":1228,"utterance_id":1229,"speaker_name":174,"text":1230,"start_s":1231,"end_s":1232,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},166,"103402","Él también defiende acabar con la enmienda impositiva.",1302.84,1304.88,{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":174,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},167,"103403","¿Pero por qué no la acaba?",1304.94,1305.54,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":174,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},168,"103404","O restringirla.",1305.58,1306.22,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},169,"103405","¿Pero por qué no la restringe?",1306.4,1307.46,{"idx":1252,"utterance_id":1253,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1254,"start_s":1255,"end_s":1256,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},170,"103406","¿Pero por qué?",1308.38,1308.78,{"idx":1258,"utterance_id":1259,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1260,"start_s":1261,"end_s":1262,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},171,"103407","Lula es gracioso.",1309.66,1310.74,{"idx":1264,"utterance_id":1265,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1266,"start_s":1267,"end_s":1268,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},172,"103408","Él dice así:",1310.98,1311.5,{"idx":1270,"utterance_id":1271,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1272,"start_s":1273,"end_s":1274,"word_count":250,"topic_slug":1275,"topic_label":1276,"target_id":1277,"target_proposition":1278,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":1279,"indexable":290},173,"103409","\"Ahora estoy en contra de esa absurda subasta que ocurrió ahora en Petrobras.\"",1312.42,1316.7,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Política industrial y energética","a5558ca3-ed48-4b2a-bea1-33697211992b","revertir la subasta de Petrobras","Declara 'sou contra esse absurdo leilão' criticando una operación ya realizada.",{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},174,"103410","Pero venga, usted es el presidente.",1316.76,1318.28,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},175,"103411","Usted no es el Budsman, no.",1318.94,1320.54,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},176,"103412","Usted es el presidente de la República.",1320.6,1321.8,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":174,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},177,"103413","¿Por qué no la acaba?",1321.84,1322.62,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},178,"103414","Mire, enmienda impositiva.",1323.6,1325.02,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},179,"103415","¿No le está consumiendo todo su dinero discrecional?",1325.1,1327,{"idx":1317,"utterance_id":1318,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1319,"start_s":1320,"end_s":1321,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},180,"103416","¿Por qué no cambia?",1327.3,1328.1,{"idx":1323,"utterance_id":1324,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1325,"start_s":1326,"end_s":1327,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},181,"103417","Ah, porque yo estoy contrafaccionado.",1329.44,1330.78,{"idx":1329,"utterance_id":1330,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1331,"start_s":1332,"end_s":1333,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},182,"103418","¿Por qué no cambia la ley?",1330.82,1331.86,{"idx":1335,"utterance_id":1336,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1337,"start_s":1338,"end_s":1339,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},183,"103419","¿Entonces usted sintió cómo es?",1333.42,1335.48,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1341,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1342,"start_s":1343,"end_s":1344,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},"103420","Mire, él de repente encuentra un culpable.",1335.84,1338.34,{"idx":1346,"utterance_id":1347,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1348,"start_s":1349,"end_s":1350,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},185,"103421","Ahora, la tasa de interés está alta.",1338.86,1340.54,{"idx":1352,"utterance_id":1353,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1354,"start_s":1355,"end_s":1356,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},186,"103422","La culpa es del perro.",1340.68,1341.68,{"idx":1358,"utterance_id":1359,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1360,"start_s":1361,"end_s":1362,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},187,"103423","Ah, pero usted tiene un perro en casa.",1341.76,1343.08,{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":1365,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1366,"start_s":1367,"end_s":1368,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},188,"103424","Su perro le está exigiendo.",1343.12,1344.7,{"idx":1370,"utterance_id":1371,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1372,"start_s":1373,"end_s":1374,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},189,"103425","Gasta mucho.",1344.84,1345.58,{"idx":1376,"utterance_id":1377,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1378,"start_s":1379,"end_s":1380,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},190,"103426","Quiero decir, vea cuánto es fantasioso y cuánto no asume.",1346.34,1349.8,{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},191,"103427","Critica al gobierno como si él fuera la oposición.",1350,1352.48,{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},192,"103428","Entonces no tenemos nada de concordancia, cero, cero de concordancia.",1353.54,1358.46,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},193,"103429","La gente tiene enmienda impositiva, pero tiene un plan de gobierno que fue presentado por nosotros.",1358.78,1363.46,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":355,"indexable":177},194,"103430","Y los diputados saben que dentro de estas áreas aquí, tendrán toda la tranquilidad para aplicar, porque esto cumple un plan de gobierno que fue presentado a la población.",1364.14,1374.68,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":1411,"topic_label":1412,"target_id":1413,"target_proposition":1414,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1415,"rationale":1416,"indexable":290},195,"103431","Necesito ampliar la salud, entonces ellos van, invierten aquí.",1375.36,1378.48,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Salud pública y infraestructura hospitalaria","993ecb86-1672-4181-9064-d8a8897b1d3e","aumentar la financiación para el SUS",0.86,"Afirma 'Eu preciso de ampliar a saúde' al justificar la aplicación de enmiendas.",{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":1423,"target_proposition":1424,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1415,"rationale":1425,"indexable":290},196,"103432","Necesito ampliar la educación, ellos vienen y me ayudan.",1378.54,1381.06,"a9f9a5f8-f7cc-4679-88a6-0ac8027df684","aumentar inversiones en educación pública en Paraná","Dice 'Eu preciso de ampliar a educação' defendiendo la aplicación de recursos.",{"idx":1427,"utterance_id":1428,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1429,"start_s":1430,"end_s":1431,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},197,"103433","Entonces usted no hace una ruptura.",1381.8,1385.26,{"idx":1433,"utterance_id":1434,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1435,"start_s":1436,"end_s":1437,"word_count":9,"indexable":177},198,"103434","Al contrario, las obras son reconocidas como de los parlamentarios que consolidaron su gestión como gobernador y que el dinero llega a esos programas objetivos del Estado.",1385.82,1398.4,{"idx":1439,"utterance_id":1440,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1441,"start_s":1442,"end_s":1443,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},199,"103435","Los programas estructurantes, Anínio, no se pueden fragmentar.",1398.74,1402.62,{"idx":1445,"utterance_id":1446,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1447,"start_s":1448,"end_s":1449,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},200,"103436","No tiene ningún sentido que usted haga algo que mañana no tenga un resultado práctico para la sociedad.",1403.54,1410.38,{"idx":1451,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},201,"103437","¿Y quién propone eso?",1410.78,1411.84,{"idx":1457,"utterance_id":1458,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1459,"start_s":1460,"end_s":1461,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},202,"103438","es el gobernador, es el presidente de la república.",1411.9,1413.54,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1463,"speaker_name":174,"text":1464,"start_s":1465,"end_s":1466,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},"103439","Quisiera preguntar sobre el otro poder que también vive una crisis, quizá incluso mayor.",1413.58,1417.3,{"idx":1468,"utterance_id":1469,"speaker_name":174,"text":1470,"start_s":1471,"end_s":1472,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},204,"103440","que el Congreso, que es el Poder Judicial, más específicamente el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",1417.84,1421.52,{"idx":1474,"utterance_id":1475,"speaker_name":174,"text":1476,"start_s":1477,"end_s":1478,"word_count":32,"indexable":177},205,"103441","Hemos escuchado y visto a varias fuerzas políticas, de la derecha y de la izquierda, defendiendo una reforma del Poder Judicial, cambios en la estructura, en la forma de nombramiento de ministros, en los códigos éticos y todo lo demás.",1422.98,1435.58,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":174,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},"103442","Me refiero a Flávio Bolsonaro, José Dirceu y Guilherme Boulos.",1435.62,1438.48,{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":174,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":350,"indexable":177},207,"103443","¿Cuál es su evaluación de la crisis del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y cómo resolverla, específicamente en relación con dos ministros, Alexandre de Moraes y Dias Toffoli, que son los más polémicos?",1438.54,1446.88,{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":174,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},208,"103444","designados, por así decirlo.",1446.92,1447.86,{"idx":1497,"utterance_id":1498,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1499,"start_s":1500,"end_s":1501,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},209,"103445","Bueno, pero usted tiene que hacer una retrospectiva breve.",1448.26,1451.58,{"idx":1503,"utterance_id":1504,"speaker_name":174,"text":1505,"start_s":1506,"end_s":1507,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},210,"103446","Puede hacerlo, si es breve...",1452.6,1455.16,{"idx":1509,"utterance_id":1510,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1511,"start_s":1512,"end_s":1513,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},211,"103447","Entre los que fueron designados también por el PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores), o si fueron designados por el PL (Partido Liberal), ¿no es cierto?",1455.44,1461.88,{"idx":1515,"utterance_id":1516,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1517,"start_s":1518,"end_s":1519,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},212,"103448","Entonces, usted tiene que saber por qué aquello que usted dice no se hizo.",1462.58,1467,{"idx":1521,"utterance_id":1522,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1523,"start_s":1524,"end_s":1525,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},213,"103449","Esas personas ya no tienen el derecho de hacer eso.",1468.32,1470.64,{"idx":1527,"utterance_id":1528,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1529,"start_s":1530,"end_s":1531,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},214,"103450","Dijo, ¿por qué no lo hizo?",1471.64,1472.82,{"idx":1533,"utterance_id":1534,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1535,"start_s":1536,"end_s":1537,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},215,"103451","Usted ya fue presidente, ¿por qué no lo hizo?",1472.88,1474.84,{"idx":1539,"utterance_id":1540,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1541,"start_s":1542,"end_s":1543,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},216,"103452","Entonces, esa farsa es algo con lo que ya no se puede convivir.",1475.94,1479.26,{"idx":1545,"utterance_id":1546,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1547,"start_s":1548,"end_s":1549,"word_count":377,"topic_slug":1550,"topic_label":1551,"target_id":1552,"target_proposition":1553,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":1554,"indexable":290},217,"103453","Tenemos un proyecto, que incluso fue relatado por Anamélia, senadora, que proponía un mandato de 10 años y también proponía que viniera una lista preordenada para que el presidente decidiera.",1480.38,1494.6,"reforma-do-judiciario-stf","Reforma judicial \u002F STF","41e98ec1-9e80-47ca-af2d-e3c09fa428dc","establecer mandato de 10 años para los ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","Presenta un proyecto que 'propunha um mandato de 10 anos' para el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":1556,"utterance_id":1557,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1558,"start_s":1559,"end_s":1560,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},218,"103454","Con el transcurso del tiempo, también se avanzó en que la edad sea un factor limitante.",1495.94,1504.14,{"idx":1562,"utterance_id":1563,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1564,"start_s":1565,"end_s":1566,"word_count":591,"topic_slug":1550,"topic_label":1551,"target_id":1567,"target_proposition":1568,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":288,"rationale":1569,"indexable":290},219,"103455","Solo a partir de los 60 años de edad, entonces usted reconoce la autoridad de ser una persona que posee un legado de conocimiento jurídico, constitucionalista, de renombre, y que esa persona entonces recibiría esa función como guardián de la República y de la Constitución, y que él concluiría su vida en esa función que es la más alta que existe.",1505.82,1533.28,"aeefacee-432c-4c4c-a397-d90b98e94021","exigir edad mínima de 60 años para nombramiento en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","Afirma 'Só a partir de 60 anos de idade' como criterio para la indicación.",{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},220,"103456","del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",1534.08,1535.64,{"idx":1577,"utterance_id":1578,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1579,"start_s":1580,"end_s":1581,"word_count":399,"indexable":177},221,"103457","Ahora, con respecto a los hechos que usted plantea en passant, le diría, y repito aquí, que el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) tiene que dar a la sociedad la respuesta que la sociedad espera de cada poder.",1536.06,1552.84,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":1588,"target_proposition":1589,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1590,"rationale":1591,"indexable":290},222,"103458","Es decir, si existe cualquier duda sobre el comportamiento, esas personas... deben ser apartadas para que se pruebe o no su inocencia, ¿cierto?",1553.76,1566.68,"d475f951-1f3d-4188-9cd5-8a1defb75dc9","determinar el apartamiento de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) investigados",0.92,"Pide que 'essas pessoas... devem ser afastadas' hasta probar su inocencia.",{"idx":1593,"utterance_id":1594,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1595,"start_s":1596,"end_s":1597,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":1588,"target_proposition":1589,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":1598,"indexable":290},223,"103459","Pero sin estar allí en calidad de ministro del STF opinando sobre temas en ese momento.",1567.28,1574.86,"Exige que no actúen 'na condição de ministro... opinando' mientras estén investigados.",{"idx":1600,"utterance_id":1601,"speaker_name":174,"text":1602,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},224,"103460","Impeachment, entonces.",1574.92,1575.6,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":174,"text":1608,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1610,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},225,"103461","¿Está usted hablando de impeachment?",1575.64,1576.46,{"idx":1612,"utterance_id":1613,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1614,"start_s":1615,"end_s":1616,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},226,"103462","No, estoy hablando de un primer momento.",1576.54,1578.72,{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},227,"103463","Eso ya no depende del STF.",1578.9,1580.82,{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},228,"103464","Mire bien, usted tiene que entender que son dos cosas.",1581.62,1583.88,{"idx":1630,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},229,"103465","Una cosa es la institución, el STF...",1584.38,1586.7,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":174,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},230,"103466","Abrir una investigación.",1587.5,1588.56,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":1647,"topic_label":1648,"target_id":1649,"target_proposition":1650,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1651,"rationale":1652,"indexable":290},231,"103467","También... Cortar por lo sano, seamos más directos.",1588.94,1592.62,"partidos-e-eleicoes","Partidos y elecciones","84385de4-a31b-490e-9090-d7f2235370c8","expulsar a un miembro del partido por conducta",0.84,"Defiende 'cortar na carne', expulsar\u002Falejar a integrantes involucrados en escándalos.",{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},232,"103468","Y el segundo momento no depende del STF.",1594,1595.88,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1667,"target_proposition":1668,"stance":458,"stance_confidence":369,"rationale":1669,"indexable":290},233,"103469","Si la situación se lleva al Senado Federal y se implanta el impeachment allí, autorizado el impeachment, entonces ya no depende del STF.",1596.88,1607.88,"politica-institucional","Política institucional","ee093770-ba44-4be4-96b5-bdac5fb80103","abrir proceso de impeachment contra la presidenta","Describe que, si se lleva al Senado, el impeachment es independiente del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":1588,"target_proposition":1589,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":326,"rationale":1676,"indexable":290},234,"103470","Estoy diciendo que corresponde al STF un gesto mayor.",1608.2,1611.28,"Dice que 'cabe ao Supremo um gesto maior', pidiendo una acción institucional.",{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},235,"103471","¿Cuál es el gesto?",1612.4,1613.02,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},236,"103472","Como, por ejemplo, ya tuve en mi partido problemas de escándalos de diputados y senadores, gobernador.",1613.32,1619.74,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1647,"topic_label":1648,"target_id":1649,"target_proposition":1650,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1415,"rationale":1695,"indexable":290},237,"103473","que, en un momento, me vi obligado a decirle a él: mire, lo siento, ya no puede seguir en las filas del partido.",1620.14,1626.86,"Relata haber obligado el alejamiento de quien 'não dá mais para conviver nos quadros do partido'.",{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},"103474","Mire, no estoy haciendo un prejuzgamiento; usted juzgará después.",1627.46,1629.88,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1704,"start_s":1705,"end_s":1706,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},239,"103475","Ahora, esa práctica se aplica cuando hay un órgano colegiado.",1630.24,1633.82,{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},240,"103476","El impeachment es cuando se trata de la situación del presidente de la República.",1634.3,1639.6,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":190,"indexable":177},241,"103477","O también está la alternativa de no 'cortar por lo sano', si el STF no quisiera hacerlo, y si el Congreso Nacional mañana no quisiera hacerlo entre sus miembros.",1641.04,1648.6,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},242,"103478","Eso es lo que se pondera.",1649.38,1651.12,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":32,"topic_slug":1731,"topic_label":1732,"target_id":1733,"target_proposition":1734,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":414,"rationale":1735,"indexable":290},243,"103479","Ahora, usted no puede ser tan simplista de pensar que va a gobernar en un Estado Democrático de Derecho sin Congreso y que basta con el Supremo y sin presidente, el Ejecutivo.",1651.46,1663.7,"democracia-e-participacao-eleitoral","Democracia y participación electoral","7b74b1b8-cd46-4773-bbbf-cdcd7b2f7cb8","preservar la credibilidad y la independencia de las instituciones democráticas","Afirma que no se puede gobernar cerrando el Congreso Nacional o el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), defendiendo la separación.",{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},244,"103480","Entonces no existe.",1664.22,1665.4,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1743,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1744,"start_s":1745,"end_s":1746,"word_count":339,"topic_slug":1731,"topic_label":1732,"target_id":1733,"target_proposition":1734,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":1747,"indexable":290},"103481","Esas personas, a veces, no conocen o no tienen idea de lo que es gobernar el país, entonces piensan que pueden cerrar el STF y gobernar.",1665.48,1675.42,"Critica a quienes imaginan 'fechar o Supremo' y gobernar autoritariamente.",{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},246,"103482","Cerrar el Congreso y gobernar.",1676.5,1677.98,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},247,"103483","Las cosas no son así.",1678.5,1679.36,{"idx":1761,"utterance_id":1762,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1763,"start_s":1764,"end_s":1765,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},248,"103484","La democracia exige esto.",1679.76,1681.38,{"idx":1767,"utterance_id":1768,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1769,"start_s":1770,"end_s":1771,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},249,"103485","Ahora, usted no renuncia ni hace concesiones respecto a la autoridad moral de las personas que componen esos cuadros.",1681.94,1690.1,{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":174,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},250,"103486","Ahora, usted tiene una trayectoria interesante.",1690.16,1691.9,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":174,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},251,"103487","Lo conocí cuando estaba en el PFL.",1692.04,1693.6,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":174,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},252,"103488","Ahí usted vio al PFL convertirse en Democratas.",1693.68,1695.6,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":174,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},253,"103489","Después, inclusive...",1695.66,1696.74,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":174,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},254,"103490","União Brasil.",1698.84,1699.4,{"idx":1803,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":174,"text":1799,"start_s":1805,"end_s":1806,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},255,"103491",1699.52,1700.22,{"idx":1808,"utterance_id":1809,"speaker_name":174,"text":1810,"start_s":1811,"end_s":1812,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},256,"103492","Pero es porque hay un personaje.",1700.3,1702.42,{"idx":1814,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":174,"text":1816,"start_s":1817,"end_s":1818,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},257,"103493","que, de cierto modo, se convierte en una fuerza motriz de esa reforma, digamos, en el PFL, que es Gilberto Kassab.",1703.28,1709.48,{"idx":1820,"utterance_id":1821,"speaker_name":174,"text":1822,"start_s":1823,"end_s":1824,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},258,"103494","Él estaba en el partido, crece en el partido, gana la confianza de varias lideranzas del partido, pero decide fundar el propio, el PSD.",1710.28,1719.2,{"idx":1826,"utterance_id":1827,"speaker_name":174,"text":1828,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},259,"103495","Y el PFL sufre un golpe brutal.",1719.92,1722.32,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":174,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},260,"103496","Entonces, reforma, cambia de nombre.",1722.7,1724.16,{"idx":1838,"utterance_id":1839,"speaker_name":174,"text":1840,"start_s":1841,"end_s":1842,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},261,"103497","Perdimos, casi.",1724.32,1724.82,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":1845,"speaker_name":174,"text":1846,"start_s":1847,"end_s":1848,"word_count":9,"indexable":177},262,"103498","Busca, exactamente, busca... reposicionarse, ya había tenido la mayor bancada de la Cámara de Diputados, 101 diputados, si no me equivoco, y atraviesa un momento muy difícil.",1724.86,1737.46,{"idx":1850,"utterance_id":1851,"speaker_name":174,"text":1852,"start_s":1853,"end_s":1854,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},263,"103499","Usted se queda; usted es un hombre de partido; va quedándose en la dificultad, no se va.",1737.5,1741.6,{"idx":1856,"utterance_id":1857,"speaker_name":174,"text":1858,"start_s":1859,"end_s":1860,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},264,"103500","Y entonces se transforma.",1742.96,1743.4,{"idx":1862,"utterance_id":1863,"speaker_name":174,"text":1864,"start_s":1865,"end_s":1866,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},265,"103501","después União Brasil, hay una fusión, se convierte en União Brasil.",1743.46,1747.22,{"idx":1868,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":174,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":362,"indexable":177},266,"103502","Y ahí usted también vivió momentos sui generis, así que para quien está pensando que Caio está hablando mucho de los escándalos ajenos, hablemos de los que él vio.",1747.94,1754.42,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":174,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},267,"103503","Por ejemplo, el cambio de presidencia de União Brasil fue una de las cosas más bizarras que he visto en mi vida.",1755.24,1760.46,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":174,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},268,"103504","Le prendieron fuego a la casa del actual presidente del partido, a la casa de playa del actual presidente del partido.",1761.18,1765.96,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":174,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},269,"103505","Y fue usted quien indicó al responsable, inclusive, en una entrevista conmigo en esa época.",1766.02,1771.26,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":174,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},270,"103506","Usted dijo que Luciano Bivar está saliendo de la presidencia del partido y que le prendió fuego a la casa de Antônio Rueda.",1771.78,1776.2,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":174,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},271,"103507","Ok, luego Rueda se convirtió en una figura que también aparece.",1776.8,1781.32,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":174,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},272,"103508","relacionados con casos que, por ejemplo, están desgastando al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), al Master.",1781.62,1785.18,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":174,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},273,"103509","Él prestó, dice haber prestado consultoría por millones también para Daniel Vorcaro.",1785.4,1790.74,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":174,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},274,"103510","¿Por qué decidió usted, entonces, salir del partido que usted intentó reformar por todos los medios?",1790.78,1795.48,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":174,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},275,"103511","¿Qué pasó?",1795.52,1796.06,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},276,"103512","Bueno, en una pregunta formuló dos puntos.",1796.76,1799.26,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":174,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},277,"103513","Varios.",1799.44,1799.76,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},278,"103514","Está bien.",1800.52,1800.88,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},279,"103515","En primer lugar, usted mostró mi coherencia partidaria.",1801.22,1804.6,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},280,"103516","¿Cierto?",1805.52,1805.86,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},281,"103517","Comencé mi vida... en una candidatura a la presidencia de la República en el 89, donde éramos 22 precandidatos.",1806.74,1814.42,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},282,"103518","En esa época fui candidato por el PSD.",1815,1817.1,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},283,"103519","Yo fundé el partido.",1819.08,1820.04,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":174,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},284,"103520","Que no tiene nada que ver con ese PSD de ahora.",1821.6,1823.56,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},285,"103521","Fundé el partido para ser candidato a la presidencia de la República.",1823.72,1827.12,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},286,"103522","Tenía estructura ruralista en Brasil y fundé el PSD para ser candidato a presidente.",1827.16,1831.22,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},287,"103523","Entonces pronto entré en el partido.",1831.26,1832.9,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},288,"103524","Tuve mi ficha avalada por Antônio Carlos Magalhães y Luiz Eduardo.",1833.48,1837.7,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},289,"103525","Y entonces, continué en el partido.",1838.24,1840.02,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":21,"indexable":177},290,"103526","Al llegar a União Brasil, yo, entusiasmado, porque era el partido más grande en ese momento, cuando usted construye un partido, ¿cuál es el objetivo?",1840.36,1850.2,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},291,"103527","Presentar candidato a gobernador, presentar candidato a presidente de la República, todo eso.",1850.62,1854.28,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},292,"103528","Y siempre me posicioné como precandidato del partido.",1855.18,1859.12,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},293,"103529","Lógicamente, aceptaría a otros que vinieran para el debate dentro del partido para que nosotros decidamos.",1859.16,1862.98,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},294,"103530","En el momento en que me informaron... que el partido no tendría bajo ninguna hipótesis candidato a la presidencia de la República.",1863.74,1872.34,{"idx":2042,"utterance_id":2043,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2044,"start_s":2045,"end_s":2046,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},295,"103531","No fue una pelea mía.",1873.86,1874.98,{"idx":2048,"utterance_id":2049,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2050,"start_s":2051,"end_s":2052,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},296,"103532","Simplemente dije: mire, lo siento.",1875.84,1877.9,{"idx":2054,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},297,"103533","Quiero trabajar para tener espacio para poder debatir y discutir la presidencia de la República.",1878.66,1884.92,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},298,"103534","Y entonces, en ese momento, no hubo ninguna ruptura, ni ningún desacuerdo, nada.",1885.94,1890.76,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},299,"103535","Llegué y dije: mire, entonces tengo aquí la posibilidad de entrar.",1891.1,1895.94,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},300,"103536","en el PSD para que podamos, ahí sí, pasar por una evaluación de tres precandidatos para saber quién debe ser el candidato.",1896.52,1907.64,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},301,"103537","Acepto eso, al menos tengo la certeza de que el PSD tendrá candidato a la presidencia de la República.",1907.68,1913.7,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":174,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},302,"103538","Pero ¿por qué ese partido aún no está con usted?",1913.78,1915.74,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":174,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":236,"indexable":177},303,"103539","El PSD, así, de manera práctica, porque son seis gobernadores que tiene el PSD, ninguno lo está apoyando a usted.",1916.46,1922.36,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":174,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},304,"103540","Precandidatos al gobierno.",1923.12,1924.32,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2102,"speaker_name":174,"text":2103,"start_s":2104,"end_s":2105,"word_count":236,"indexable":177},"103541","El único más de derecha que hay, que es Matheus Simões, apoya a Romeu Zema, de Minas Gerais.",1924.42,1928.7,{"idx":2107,"utterance_id":2108,"speaker_name":174,"text":2109,"start_s":2110,"end_s":2111,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},306,"103542","Precandidatos a gobiernos también, salvo error, poquísimos o casi ninguno del PSD están con usted.",1929.28,1937.02,{"idx":2113,"utterance_id":2114,"speaker_name":174,"text":2115,"start_s":2116,"end_s":2117,"word_count":462,"indexable":177},307,"103543","Parece que el partido se dividió entre Lula y Flávio, pero no tiene... Es decir, ¿qué tipo de condición va a tener usted para presentarse como un candidato viable y con credibilidad, si ni siquiera su partido lo acompaña en este momento?",1937.66,1952.04,{"idx":2119,"utterance_id":2120,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2121,"start_s":2122,"end_s":2123,"word_count":43,"indexable":177},308,"103544","Primero, vamos a aclarar, Zanini, los dos gobernadores con mayor proyección en la política y los mejor evaluados me están apoyando, el Paraná y Río Grande del Sur.",1952.96,1966.68,{"idx":2125,"utterance_id":2126,"speaker_name":174,"text":2127,"start_s":2128,"end_s":2129,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},309,"103545","Río Grande del Sur, no sé, ¿eh?",1967.8,1969.54,{"idx":2131,"utterance_id":2132,"speaker_name":174,"text":2133,"start_s":2134,"end_s":2135,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},310,"103546","El Paraná, ok, está bien, con cedo esa.",1970.24,1972.14,{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":339,"indexable":177},311,"103547","Pero el de Río Grande del Sur, él reaccionó que es el derecho, la persona se queda ahí, él también tenía todas las condiciones para ser candidato.",1972.76,1980,{"idx":2143,"utterance_id":2144,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2145,"start_s":2146,"end_s":2147,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},312,"103548","Ya hemos hablado varias veces, y el jueves mismo estaré con él.",1980.66,1983.66,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2149,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2150,"start_s":2151,"end_s":2152,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},"103549","Él me va a recibir allí en el Palacio, en Porto Alegre.",1984.38,1988.04,{"idx":2154,"utterance_id":2155,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2156,"start_s":2157,"end_s":2158,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},314,"103550","Entonces, dos candidatos.",1988.82,1989.9,{"idx":2160,"utterance_id":2161,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2162,"start_s":2163,"end_s":2164,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},315,"103551","Ahora, ¿qué se está diciendo?",1990.3,1992.92,{"idx":2166,"utterance_id":2167,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2168,"start_s":2169,"end_s":2170,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},316,"103552","Mire, el PSD acepta las realidades de los entes federados.",1993.18,1999.66,{"idx":2172,"utterance_id":2173,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2174,"start_s":2175,"end_s":2176,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},317,"103553","El PSD no está obligado a apoyarme.",2000.56,2002.64,{"idx":2178,"utterance_id":2179,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2180,"start_s":2181,"end_s":2182,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},318,"103554","Pero no impide que yo monte mi propio palanque.",2003.5,2005.64,{"idx":2184,"utterance_id":2185,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2186,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2188,"word_count":433,"indexable":177},319,"103555","¿Y usted cree que... En Bahía, que es el mayor colegio electoral del Nordeste y el cuarto del Brasil, ¿cree que el palanque con CM Neto es menor que el palanque que tendrá el PSD?",2007.04,2021.84,{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},320,"103556","Al contrario.",2022.08,2022.78,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},321,"103557","Vamos a ganar las elecciones en Bahía.",2023.92,2025.22,{"idx":2202,"utterance_id":2203,"speaker_name":174,"text":2204,"start_s":2205,"end_s":2206,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},322,"103558","Pero en los otros estados, São Paulo, usted no tiene palanque, por ejemplo.",2025.26,2027.08,{"idx":2208,"utterance_id":2209,"speaker_name":174,"text":2210,"start_s":2211,"end_s":2212,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},323,"103559","¿Cómo no?",2027.12,2027.52,{"idx":2214,"utterance_id":2215,"speaker_name":174,"text":2216,"start_s":2217,"end_s":2218,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},324,"103560","¿Quién es su palanque?",2027.9,2028.54,{"idx":2220,"utterance_id":2221,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2222,"start_s":2223,"end_s":2224,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},325,"103561","¿Usted cree que, por ejemplo... Tarcísio?",2028.8,2030.62,{"idx":2226,"utterance_id":2227,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2228,"start_s":2229,"end_s":2230,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},326,"103562","¿Pero por qué no?",2031.48,2032.06,{"idx":2232,"utterance_id":2233,"speaker_name":174,"text":2234,"start_s":2235,"end_s":2236,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},327,"103563","Tarcísio va a apoyar a Flávio, ¿no?",2033.06,2033.96,{"idx":2238,"utterance_id":2239,"speaker_name":174,"text":2240,"start_s":2241,"end_s":2242,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},328,"103564","La estructura del PSD...",2034.04,2035.1,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},329,"103565","Es la mayor estructura municipal que existe.",2035.94,2038.32,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":174,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},330,"103566","Río de Janeiro apoya a Lula, a Eduardo 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Tarcísio.",2052.32,2057.04,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},335,"103571","Y lógicamente que Tarcísio tendrá la candidatura de Flávio, él tendrá nuestra candidatura.",2057.82,2063.38,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},336,"103572","¿Tiene eso alguna incongruencia en la política?",2065.14,2067.98,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":174,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},337,"103573","¿Tarcísio va a apoyarle a usted?",2068.28,2069.32,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},338,"103574","No, no es cuestión de que vaya a apoyar.",2069.56,2070.6,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},339,"103575","La cuestión es que el palanque está abierto.",2070.66,2073.68,{"idx":2310,"utterance_id":2311,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2312,"start_s":2313,"end_s":2314,"word_count":242,"indexable":177},340,"103576","Él ya declaró que va a apoyar a Flávio, que ahí es una cuestión personal suya que asumirá la candidatura de Flávio.",2074.48,2081.76,{"idx":2316,"utterance_id":2317,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":1942,"start_s":2318,"end_s":2319,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},341,"103577",2081.8,2082.34,{"idx":2321,"utterance_id":2322,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2323,"start_s":2324,"end_s":2325,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},342,"103578","Ahora, solo que no estamos dividiendo una campaña en São Paulo.",2082.88,2086.32,{"idx":2327,"utterance_id":2328,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2329,"start_s":2330,"end_s":2331,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},343,"103579","En São Paulo hay una posición que el PSD presta a Tarcísio.",2086.6,2093.96,{"idx":2333,"utterance_id":2334,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2335,"start_s":2336,"end_s":2337,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},344,"103580","Kassab le presta a Tarcísio una base electoral fortísima.",2094.44,2098.4,{"idx":2339,"utterance_id":2340,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2341,"start_s":2342,"end_s":2343,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},345,"103581","Y que es determinante en una campaña 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dejado.",2111.92,2115.56,{"idx":2368,"utterance_id":2369,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2192,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},350,"103586",2115.66,2116.38,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":377,"indexable":177},351,"103587","Nunca recibí en mi vida, nunca recibí en mi vida, con toda la trayectoria partidaria que tengo, un apoyo tan grande como el que recibo todos los días del presidente del partido Kassab.",2116.68,2130.52,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":433,"indexable":177},352,"103588","Y con estructura, una persona que sabe montar un partido, tiene una profesionalización única en todas las áreas, un tránsito abierto en todos los sectores, y que me ha dado... cobertura total para que lleve adelante mi campaña.",2130.58,2149.6,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":174,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":377,"indexable":177},353,"103589","Pero usted es un hombre ideológico y antes de que esa palabra se convierta en un insulto en Brasil, tiene un significado, un sentido, es ese significado real, raíz al que estoy recurriendo.",2149.64,2160.62,{"idx":2391,"utterance_id":2392,"speaker_name":174,"text":2393,"start_s":2394,"end_s":2395,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},354,"103590","Usted tiene ideas que orientan su actuación en la vida pública, se gusten o no.",2160.8,2166.84,{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":174,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},355,"103591","Hay a quienes les gustan y a quienes no.",2167.04,2168.7,{"idx":2403,"utterance_id":2404,"speaker_name":174,"text":2405,"start_s":2406,"end_s":2407,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},356,"103592","¿Le molesta estar en un partido que nació diciendo que no era ni de izquierda, ni de derecha, ni del centro?",2169.24,2174.2,{"idx":2409,"utterance_id":2410,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2411,"start_s":2412,"end_s":2413,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},357,"103593","No, porque si usted va a buscar esos detalles de pie de página de los partidos...",2175.04,2179.94,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":174,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},358,"103594","No es un detalle de pie de página, ¿no?",2180.06,2181.38,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":174,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},359,"103595","Es como, mi carta de presentación, yo no soy nada, soy una masa amorfa.",2181.48,2186.6,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":15,"indexable":177},360,"103596","Pero mire bien, en el momento en que usted tiene que elevar la condición de candidato a la presidencia de la República, usted tiene que, en este momento, rendir homenajes al PSD.",2186.8,2202.3,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},361,"103597","¿Dónde están los otros partidos?",2203.64,2204.58,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":174,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},362,"103598","Pero usted tampoco es ni de derecha, ni de izquierda, ni del centro?",2204.62,2207.4,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":174,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},363,"103599","No, por el contrario.",2207.46,2208.14,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":174,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},364,"103600","¿Entonces usted es de qué?",2208.26,2208.82,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":174,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},365,"103601","Soy un hombre.",2209.08,2210.92,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},366,"103602","¿Cómo se defiende usted?",2211.36,2212.06,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},367,"103603","Cuando Lula montó el MST, Caiado montó el DR, ¿cierto?",2212.1,2217.5,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":339,"indexable":177},368,"103604","Creo que tal vez Marco Maciel decía eso, popularidad, Caiado, eso, mira, a veces está alta, a veces está baja.",2218.84,2230.52,{"idx":2481,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2483,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},369,"103605","Ahora, coherencia, hijo mío, es lo más importante.",2230.64,2233.58,{"idx":2487,"utterance_id":2488,"speaker_name":174,"text":2489,"start_s":2490,"end_s":2491,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},370,"103606","Pero ¿usted es un hombre de derecha?",2233.62,2234.8,{"idx":2493,"utterance_id":2494,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2495,"start_s":2496,"end_s":2497,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":2498,"topic_label":2499,"target_id":2500,"target_proposition":2501,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":2502,"indexable":290},371,"103607","He sido un hombre de derecha toda la vida.",2235.3,2237.94,"ideologia-politica","Ideología política","86bcc84e-b4a3-4613-bcd1-a8ad286f03ef","adoptar una agenda política de centroderecha en las políticas públicas","Declara explícitamente 'sou um homem de direita a vida toda', afirmando su orientación.",{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2506,"start_s":2507,"end_s":2508,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},372,"103608","Derecha de resultados.",2238.14,2239.6,{"idx":2510,"utterance_id":2511,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2512,"start_s":2513,"end_s":2514,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},373,"103609","Los grandes temas debatidos por nosotros en el Congreso lo demuestran.",2240.9,2244.74,{"idx":2516,"utterance_id":2517,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2518,"start_s":2519,"end_s":2520,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},374,"103610","Usted ve que Lula siempre fue adversario del sector rural.",2245.76,2249.46,{"idx":2522,"utterance_id":2523,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2524,"start_s":2525,"end_s":2526,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},375,"103611","El único sector que funcionó en Brasil.",2249.58,2251,{"idx":2528,"utterance_id":2529,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2530,"start_s":2531,"end_s":2532,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},376,"103612","¿Cuál es el otro?",2251.86,2252.42,{"idx":2534,"utterance_id":2535,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2536,"start_s":2537,"end_s":2538,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},377,"103613","Salvo Embraer.",2254.2,2254.76,{"idx":2540,"utterance_id":2541,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2542,"start_s":2543,"end_s":2544,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},378,"103614","¿Cuál es el otro que tuvo éxito?",2256.14,2257.58,{"idx":2546,"utterance_id":2547,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2548,"start_s":2549,"end_s":2550,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},379,"103615","Solo lo que defendimos en el 86.",2257.68,2259.26,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":21,"indexable":177},380,"103616","Lo único que funcionó en Brasil fue... 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Estoy orgulloso de serlo, junto con energía, junto con inteligencia artificial, junto con la lucha contra terroristas, junto con la devolución del patrimonio, es decir, del territorio brasileño a los brasileños de bien; ese es mi primer compromiso también: voy a devolver Brasil a los brasileños de bien.",2289.7,2313.7,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","b37e5468-3752-43af-8127-39a2b1c263a6","apoyar y acelerar el desarrollo del agronegocio","Enumera 'agro' como uno de sus compromisos principales ('tem orgulho').",{"idx":2598,"utterance_id":2599,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2600,"start_s":2601,"end_s":2602,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},387,"103623","La gente verá que Caiado entregará como entregué en el Estado de Goiás.",2314.26,2317.88,{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},388,"103624","Dani lo conoce bien.",2318.86,2319.88,{"idx":2610,"utterance_id":2611,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2612,"start_s":2613,"end_s":2614,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},389,"103625","Nacida en Brasilia, conoce la violencia del entorno.",2321.12,2324.02,{"idx":2616,"utterance_id":2617,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2618,"start_s":2619,"end_s":2620,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},390,"103626","Se la consideraba entre las cuatro ciudades más violentas de Brasil.",2325.1,2327.92,{"idx":2622,"utterance_id":2623,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2624,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},391,"103627","A la entrada de Valparaíso había un cartel publicitario.",2328.08,2330.1,{"idx":2628,"utterance_id":2629,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2630,"start_s":2631,"end_s":2632,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},392,"103628","Decía: 'Acabas de entrar en la ciudad más violenta del país'.",2330.44,2333.92,{"idx":2634,"utterance_id":2635,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2636,"start_s":2637,"end_s":2638,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},393,"103629","Hoy usted circula allí con su hijo, toma el autobús a las 4 de la mañana, con su celular, abre su panadería a las 3.",2334.76,2341.94,{"idx":2640,"utterance_id":2641,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2642,"start_s":2643,"end_s":2644,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},394,"103630","Usted hace lo que quiera.",2342.24,2343.58,{"idx":2646,"utterance_id":2647,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2648,"start_s":2649,"end_s":2650,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},395,"103631","Hoy ve otra realidad de la gente, la alegría de las personas.",2344.52,2349.06,{"idx":2652,"utterance_id":2653,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2654,"start_s":2655,"end_s":2656,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},396,"103632","Entonces, cuando se rescatan esas condiciones, soy un hombre de centro-derecha que entrega resultados.",2349.5,2356.82,{"idx":2658,"utterance_id":2659,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2660,"start_s":2661,"end_s":2662,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},397,"103633","Es decir, no me quedo en el griterío.",2357.02,2358.94,{"idx":2664,"utterance_id":2665,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2666,"start_s":2667,"end_s":2668,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},398,"103634","El brasileño no me quiere como mero espectador.",2360.12,2362.16,{"idx":2670,"utterance_id":2671,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2672,"start_s":2673,"end_s":2674,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},399,"103635","El brasileño quiere verme como presidente resolviendo los problemas.",2362.68,2366.14,{"idx":2676,"utterance_id":2677,"speaker_name":174,"text":2678,"start_s":2679,"end_s":2680,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},400,"103636","Entonces vamos por partes aquí.",2366.18,2367.42,{"idx":2682,"utterance_id":2683,"speaker_name":174,"text":2684,"start_s":2685,"end_s":2686,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},401,"103637","Quiero volver a hablar del tema de la ideología, pero vamos a hablar entonces, llevémoslo al terreno de lo palpable.",2367.5,2372.8,{"idx":2688,"utterance_id":2689,"speaker_name":174,"text":2690,"start_s":2691,"end_s":2692,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},402,"103638","Usted habló de los resultados de Goiás.",2372.84,2374.36,{"idx":2694,"utterance_id":2695,"speaker_name":174,"text":2696,"start_s":2697,"end_s":2698,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},403,"103639","Iba a bromear, ¿no?",2374.42,2375.02,{"idx":2700,"utterance_id":2701,"speaker_name":174,"text":2702,"start_s":2703,"end_s":2704,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},404,"103640","Está exactamente igual que São 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tráfico.",2390.08,2393.96,{"idx":2730,"utterance_id":2731,"speaker_name":174,"text":2732,"start_s":2733,"end_s":2734,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},409,"103645","Río de Janeiro hoy tiene más de la mitad del territorio controlado por el narcotráfico o por la milicia.",2394.52,2401.62,{"idx":2736,"utterance_id":2737,"speaker_name":174,"text":2738,"start_s":2739,"end_s":2740,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},410,"103646","Y cuando no se ponen de acuerdo, se matan entre ellos.",2401.96,2404.36,{"idx":2742,"utterance_id":2743,"speaker_name":174,"text":2744,"start_s":2745,"end_s":2746,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},411,"103647","Y la policía queda ahí en medio del... ¿Qué se hace con Río de Janeiro?",2404.42,2407.18,{"idx":2748,"utterance_id":2749,"speaker_name":174,"text":2750,"start_s":2751,"end_s":2752,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},412,"103648","Y ahí es importante que lo digamos, ¿no?",2407.6,2409.26,{"idx":2754,"utterance_id":2755,"speaker_name":174,"text":2756,"start_s":2757,"end_s":2758,"word_count":43,"indexable":177},413,"103649","Río de Janeiro gobernado por la derecha; usted habló aquí de la izquierda en el gobierno federal, y quiero hablar de eso dentro de un rato, pero la... Más de 20 años.",2409.66,2420.1,{"idx":2760,"utterance_id":2761,"speaker_name":174,"text":2762,"start_s":2763,"end_s":2764,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},414,"103650","Más de 20 años.",2421.16,2421.92,{"idx":2766,"utterance_id":2767,"speaker_name":174,"text":2768,"start_s":2769,"end_s":2770,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},415,"103651","No hay ahí... 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no.",2443.12,2444.02,{"idx":2825,"utterance_id":2826,"speaker_name":174,"text":2827,"start_s":2828,"end_s":2829,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},425,"103661","El presidente de la Alerj fue apartado porque pasaba información al Comando Vermelho.",2444.18,2449.22,{"idx":2831,"utterance_id":2832,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2833,"start_s":2834,"end_s":2835,"word_count":222,"indexable":177},426,"103662","Daniela, el día que asumí el gobierno en Goiás, dije: bandido no se educa, es mandamiento del gobernador.",2449.32,2457.86,{"idx":2837,"utterance_id":2838,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2839,"start_s":2840,"end_s":2841,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},427,"103663","El bandido cambia de profesión, se muda de Goiás.",2458.14,2460.72,{"idx":2843,"utterance_id":2844,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2845,"start_s":2846,"end_s":2847,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},428,"103664","Es orden del gobernador.",2460.76,2462.66,{"idx":2849,"utterance_id":2850,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2851,"start_s":2852,"end_s":2853,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},429,"103665","Yo soy comandante en jefe de las fuerzas de seguridad en mi estado.",2463.16,2467.3,{"idx":2855,"utterance_id":2856,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2857,"start_s":2858,"end_s":2859,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},430,"103666","El que manda soy yo.",2467.4,2468.26,{"idx":2861,"utterance_id":2862,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":863,"start_s":2863,"end_s":2864,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},431,"103667",2468.98,2469.46,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},432,"103668","Entonces tengo que tener coraje 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años.",2477.16,2479.64,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},436,"103672","¿Perfecto?",2480.66,2481.14,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},437,"103673","Después se van de ahí y ¿entonces?",2481.8,2484.12,{"idx":2902,"utterance_id":2903,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2904,"start_s":2905,"end_s":2906,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},438,"103674","¿Va a querer enfrentarse al narcotráfico?",2486.06,2488.6,{"idx":2908,"utterance_id":2909,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2910,"start_s":2911,"end_s":2912,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},439,"103675","¿Y luego va a dejar su vida vulnerable después de pasar por el gobierno?",2489.92,2493.62,{"idx":2914,"utterance_id":2915,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2916,"start_s":2917,"end_s":2918,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},440,"103676","Es falta de coraje.",2495,2496.44,{"idx":2920,"utterance_id":2921,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2922,"start_s":2923,"end_s":2924,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},441,"103677","Puede estar seguro de una sola cosa: el Estado es mucho más grande que el crimen.",2496.48,2500.44,{"idx":2926,"utterance_id":2927,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2928,"start_s":2929,"end_s":2930,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":2931,"topic_label":2932,"target_id":2933,"target_proposition":2934,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1590,"rationale":2935,"indexable":290},442,"103678","Caiado, presidente de la República, puedo decirle a usted que las penitenciarías en Brasil volverán a ser penitenciarías.",2501.14,2509.1,"sistema-prisional","Sistema penitenciario","c7259485-e7f5-4fcb-bf93-29e4291df79b","aumentar la dureza de las condiciones carcelarias y las sanciones","Propone medidas duras en las prisiones: fin de visitas íntimas, control total y prohibición de drogas\u002Farmas.",{"idx":2937,"utterance_id":2938,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2939,"start_s":2940,"end_s":2941,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},443,"103679","Que el traficante no va a hablar más con el medio externo.",2509.84,2513.04,{"idx":2943,"utterance_id":2944,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2945,"start_s":2946,"end_s":2947,"word_count":32,"indexable":177},444,"103680","Que no va a haber visita íntima, que no va a haber audiencia sigilosa con el abogado, que habrá control total sobre las entradas, no va a haber droga dentro de las penitenciarías, no va a haber armas.",2513.08,2525.74,{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},445,"103681","Ahora, todo eso no es una hipótesis.",2526.08,2527.94,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},446,"103682","Vea Goiás lo que era y lo que es allí hoy.",2527.98,2530.66,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":174,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},447,"103683","Entonces, no estoy poniendo en debate el resultado que usted... alcanzó en el estado de Goiás.",2530.88,2536.98,{"idx":2967,"utterance_id":2968,"speaker_name":174,"text":2969,"start_s":2970,"end_s":2971,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},448,"103684","Lo estoy tomando al pie de la letra como verdadera la información que usted me está dando.",2537.48,2541.18,{"idx":2973,"utterance_id":2974,"speaker_name":174,"text":2975,"start_s":2976,"end_s":2977,"word_count":399,"indexable":177},449,"103685","Pero lo que tenemos, por ejemplo, en el estado de São Paulo, donde se convive, lamentablemente esa es la palabra, con la mayor organización criminal de Brasil, de América Latina, que es el PCC.",2541.7,2553.14,{"idx":2979,"utterance_id":2980,"speaker_name":174,"text":2981,"start_s":2982,"end_s":2983,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},450,"103686","Lava dinero en la Faria Lima.",2553.74,2555.84,{"idx":2985,"utterance_id":2986,"speaker_name":174,"text":2987,"start_s":2988,"end_s":2989,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},451,"103687","Sí.",2556.1,2556.24,{"idx":2991,"utterance_id":2992,"speaker_name":174,"text":2993,"start_s":2994,"end_s":2995,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},452,"103688","A través de... una refinería de combustible que prestaba servicio también en Río de Janeiro.",2557.22,2564.38,{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2999,"start_s":3000,"end_s":3001,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},453,"103689","Pero es mucho más que eso.",2564.88,2565.98,{"idx":3003,"utterance_id":3004,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3005,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3007,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},454,"103690","Estación de servicio, transporte urbano.",2566.1,2568.5,{"idx":3009,"utterance_id":3010,"speaker_name":174,"text":3011,"start_s":3012,"end_s":3013,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},455,"103691","No es una cuestión de infraestructura que se resuelva... No.",2568.76,2571.84,{"idx":3015,"utterance_id":3016,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3017,"start_s":3018,"end_s":3019,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},456,"103692","Entonces usted está diciendo lo siguiente: ellos están tomando el control de la economía formal.",2572.04,2575.78,{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":174,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},457,"103693","Perfecto.",2575.88,2576.38,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},458,"103694","¿Está de acuerdo conmigo?",2576.46,2577.18,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":2987,"start_s":3035,"end_s":3036,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},459,"103695",2577.22,2577.42,{"idx":3038,"utterance_id":3039,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3040,"start_s":3041,"end_s":3042,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},460,"103696","Hoy ya están atrevidos y están tomando el control de la economía formal.",2577.7,2580.74,{"idx":3044,"utterance_id":3045,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3046,"start_s":3047,"end_s":3048,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},461,"103697","¿No es verdad?",2580.98,2581.56,{"idx":3050,"utterance_id":3051,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3052,"start_s":3053,"end_s":3054,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3055,"target_proposition":3056,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":3057,"rationale":3058,"indexable":290},462,"103698","Entonces usted tiene que tener dentro de la estructura lo que nosotros creamos en Goiás.",2581.88,2585.48,"ae70fd90-069a-4cd8-8d9a-d7814827dfae","establecer coordinación nacional de seguridad pública para combatir el crimen organizado",0.78,"Afirma tener 'força integrada de combate ao crime organizado' funcionando en 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las penitenciarías.",2606.6,2610.58,"5fffc5d9-8988-4708-854a-0cdc46eb6240","fortalecer la integración entre el sistema penitenciario y la inteligencia policial","Dice que la primera medida es 'penitenciárias', proponiéndola como prioridad.",{"idx":3096,"utterance_id":3097,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3098,"start_s":3099,"end_s":3100,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},468,"103704","Primero, penitenciarías.",2610.8,2612.76,{"idx":3102,"utterance_id":3103,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3104,"start_s":3105,"end_s":3106,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3107,"target_proposition":3108,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":3109,"indexable":290},469,"103705","Segundo, acciones de asociación con los países limítrofes.",2612.92,2617.52,"9fe1b901-fed8-4554-bd48-edca96c3c789","establecer convenios de seguridad con países limítrofes para acciones conjuntas","Defiende 'ações de parceria com os países limítrofes' como 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entonces que esas facciones sean clasificadas como terroristas?",2684.64,2687.9,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":250,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3259,"target_proposition":3260,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":3261,"indexable":290},490,"103726","Primera cosa, eso tiene que ir en la agenda del primer día.",2687.94,2691.12,"32d33b25-effc-4926-bb7b-c9745b90142f","clasificar al PCC y al Comando Vermelho como organizaciones terroristas internas","dice que eso 'tem que ir na pauta de primeiro dia', defendiendo la medida.",{"idx":3263,"utterance_id":3264,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3265,"start_s":3266,"end_s":3267,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},491,"103727","Terrorista, sí.",2691.94,2692.92,{"idx":3269,"utterance_id":3270,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3271,"start_s":3272,"end_s":3273,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},492,"103728","Y usted 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Tarcísio de Freitas, gobernador que se dice de derecha.",2813.5,2818.18,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":174,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":292,"indexable":177},528,"103764","De hecho, la bandera de la seguridad pública era su bandera y la situación en todo el Estado está muy difícil.",2818.22,2824.92,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":174,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},529,"103765","Entonces, así, hay para todos los gustos.",2825.16,2827.1,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":174,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},530,"103766","El enfrentamiento es muy grande.",2827.14,2828.22,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":174,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},531,"103767","Ni voy a hablar de Río, de Claudio Castro.",2828.28,2829.54,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3507,"start_s":3519,"end_s":3520,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},532,"103768",2829.58,2831.1,{"idx":3522,"utterance_id":3523,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3524,"start_s":3525,"end_s":3526,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},533,"103769","Le voy a dar, por ejemplo, un dato mayor.",2832.38,2834.92,{"idx":3528,"utterance_id":3529,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3530,"start_s":3531,"end_s":3532,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},534,"103770","Soy un hombre que soy médico.",2835.7,2836.98,{"idx":3534,"utterance_id":3535,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3536,"start_s":3537,"end_s":3538,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3539,"target_proposition":3540,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":3541,"indexable":290},535,"103771","Ahora, por eso tengo una corregiduría extremadamente... rígida.",2838.82,2845.42,"542ebdde-abba-4b39-9703-1f3f21b0a926","fortalecer la corregiduría y la fiscalización interna de la policía","afirma tener 'uma corregidoria extremamente rígida' como política.",{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3548,"target_proposition":3549,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":3550,"indexable":290},536,"103772","Pero mi policía entra con armamento que yo autorizo que entre.",2846.2,2850.4,"a318969c-7f59-4f92-bc21-0d1ee0811ac6","autorizar armamento para policías estatales","dice que los policías 'entram com armamento que eu autorizo a entrar'.",{"idx":3552,"utterance_id":3553,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3554,"start_s":3555,"end_s":3556,"word_count":198,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3557,"target_proposition":3558,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":288,"rationale":3559,"indexable":177},537,"103773","Y entra sin cámara.",2853.32,2854.88,"08504a68-b14b-467d-9f5d-e9b609cc7ffd","autorizar operaciones policiales sin uso de cámaras","declara explícitamente que la policía 'entra sem câmara'.",{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3566,"target_proposition":3567,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":3568,"indexable":290},538,"103774","No voy a fabricar mañana pruebas contra alguien que está defendiendo a la sociedad.",2856.58,2861.64,"a53ed184-e0e0-46ff-aae8-a8d040a969cd","limitar las investigaciones que generen pruebas contra policías en servicio","afirma que no va a 'construir prova' contra quien esté defendiendo a la sociedad.",{"idx":3570,"utterance_id":3571,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3572,"start_s":3573,"end_s":3574,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},539,"103775","Mi policía entra para resolver.",2861.74,2864.64,{"idx":3576,"utterance_id":3577,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3578,"start_s":3579,"end_s":3580,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3581,"target_proposition":3582,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":369,"rationale":3583,"indexable":290},540,"103776","Mi policía entra para poder allí... hacer la seguridad de mi población en el estado de Goiás.",2865.62,2872.78,"74431fa3-e9c5-4a81-afd4-dab9769dcad5","garantizar la actuación policial para la seguridad pública estatal","defiende que su policía 'entra para fazer segurança da minha 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tiene.",2913.62,2917.52,{"idx":3642,"utterance_id":3643,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3644,"start_s":3645,"end_s":3646,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},550,"103786","Esa arma perfora un camión blindado.",2920.04,2922.74,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},551,"103787","Es un arma de guerra.",2924.56,2925.8,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},552,"103788","Hoy tienen drones para soltar allí granadas y bombas.",2926.62,2931.48,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":339,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3125,"target_proposition":3126,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":288,"rationale":3665,"indexable":290},553,"103789","Mira bien, y ¿crees que... y ¿crees que esta operación aquí no fue un enfrentamiento contra quienes enfrentaron al Estado?",2932.08,2944.62,"defiende que la operación fue un enfrentamiento contra quien confrontó al Estado.",{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":174,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},554,"103790","No.",2945.54,2945.78,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":174,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},555,"103791","Esa calma, no fue eso lo que dije.",2946.5,2948.24,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":174,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},556,"103792","no.",2948.28,2948.34,{"idx":3685,"utterance_id":3686,"speaker_name":174,"text":3687,"start_s":3688,"end_s":3689,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},557,"103793","Calma, Dani.",2948.84,2949.06,{"idx":3691,"utterance_id":3692,"speaker_name":174,"text":3693,"start_s":3694,"end_s":3695,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},558,"103794","Déjame 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muertos.",2972.28,2983.62,{"idx":3745,"utterance_id":3746,"speaker_name":174,"text":3747,"start_s":3748,"end_s":3749,"word_count":242,"indexable":177},567,"103803","Él dijo que fue la operación mejor planificada de Brasil y que su policía sube para resolver sin cámara.",2983.74,2990.1,{"idx":3751,"utterance_id":3752,"speaker_name":174,"text":3753,"start_s":3754,"end_s":3755,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},568,"103804","Eso es lo que iba a preguntar, gobernador.",2990.54,2992.28,{"idx":348,"utterance_id":3757,"speaker_name":174,"text":3758,"start_s":3759,"end_s":3760,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},"103805","Nadie discute ni duda de la necesidad de ser firme contra el crimen.",2992.7,2996.44,{"idx":3762,"utterance_id":3763,"speaker_name":174,"text":3764,"start_s":3765,"end_s":3766,"word_count":399,"indexable":177},570,"103806","Pero cuando usted dice, 'mi policía entra para resolver y sin cámaras', ¿no está usted dando una señal verde para abusos, por ejemplo, para que aumente la letalidad policial, para la muerte de inocentes?",2996.5,3008.12,{"idx":3768,"utterance_id":3769,"speaker_name":174,"text":3770,"start_s":3771,"end_s":3772,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},571,"103807","¿qué sucede?",3008.16,3008.94,{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3776,"start_s":3777,"end_s":3778,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},572,"103808","No estoy dando, no.",3009.1,3009.82,{"idx":3780,"utterance_id":3781,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3782,"start_s":3783,"end_s":3784,"word_count":355,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3785,"target_proposition":3786,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":3787,"indexable":290},573,"103809","Simplemente le estoy diciendo a él que no va a hacerlo porque nadie va a fabricar pruebas contra él, quedarse de brazos cruzados en la puerta de la comisaría viendo que ocurra un atraco.",3010.12,3018.3,"c7b5c777-9118-4879-a071-86e90e1b64f1","autorizar y premiar el uso letal por policías sin rendición de cuentas","afirma que 'ninguém vai construir prova' contra el policía en servicio.",{"idx":3789,"utterance_id":3790,"speaker_name":174,"text":3791,"start_s":3792,"end_s":3793,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},574,"103810","¿Por qué no la Câmara, por ejemplo?",3018.34,3020.16,{"idx":3795,"utterance_id":3796,"speaker_name":174,"text":3797,"start_s":3798,"end_s":3799,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},575,"103811","Porque la Câmara es interesante, ¿no?",3020.2,3023.14,{"idx":3801,"utterance_id":3802,"speaker_name":174,"text":3803,"start_s":3804,"end_s":3805,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},576,"103812","¿Has ido allí?",3023.76,3024.56,{"idx":3807,"utterance_id":3808,"speaker_name":174,"text":3809,"start_s":3810,"end_s":3811,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},577,"103813","¿Allí dónde?",3025.96,3026.4,{"idx":3813,"utterance_id":3814,"speaker_name":174,"text":3815,"start_s":3816,"end_s":3817,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},578,"103814","Allí en el Morro do Borel.",3026.94,3028.02,{"idx":3819,"utterance_id":3820,"speaker_name":174,"text":3821,"start_s":3822,"end_s":3823,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},579,"103815","Nunca fui.",3028.88,3029.32,{"idx":3825,"utterance_id":3826,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3827,"start_s":3828,"end_s":3829,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},580,"103816","¿Has ido allí al Morro do Alemão?",3029.36,3030.58,{"idx":3831,"utterance_id":3832,"speaker_name":174,"text":3821,"start_s":3833,"end_s":3834,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},581,"103817",3031.22,3031.64,{"idx":3836,"utterance_id":3837,"speaker_name":174,"text":3838,"start_s":3839,"end_s":3840,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},582,"103818","¿Eh?",3032.92,3032.98,{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":174,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},583,"103819","Pero la 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Que luego ves la Cámara en una salita con aire acondicionado, ¿cómo fue?",3036.56,3043.32,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},586,"103822","Mira, pero el policía no dio 'manos arriba'.",3043.44,3046.04,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},587,"103823","No le dijo nada.",3046.64,3048.08,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},588,"103824","que lo que usted diga va a ir en su contra.",3048.12,3050.62,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},589,"103825","Amigo mío, estás en un campo de guerra.",3051.14,3053.58,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},590,"103826","Seamos realistas, estás en un campo de guerra.",3054.5,3057.06,{"idx":3890,"utterance_id":3891,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3892,"start_s":3893,"end_s":3894,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},591,"103827","Vamos a acabar con ese eufemismo.",3058.18,3060.48,{"idx":3896,"utterance_id":3897,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3898,"start_s":3899,"end_s":3900,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},592,"103828","Y vayamos a la realidad como es.",3061.6,3063.28,{"idx":3902,"utterance_id":3903,"speaker_name":174,"text":3904,"start_s":3905,"end_s":3906,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},593,"103829","Usted no parece muy de centro-derecha ahora.",3063.48,3065.8,{"idx":3908,"utterance_id":3909,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3910,"start_s":3911,"end_s":3912,"word_count":262,"indexable":177},594,"103830","Soy un hombre que tiene 88% de popularidad en mi estado de Goiás.",3066,3071.66,{"idx":3914,"utterance_id":3915,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3916,"start_s":3917,"end_s":3918,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},595,"103831","88%.",3071.68,3071.86,{"idx":3920,"utterance_id":3921,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3922,"start_s":3923,"end_s":3924,"word_count":244,"indexable":177},596,"103832","Porque el ciudadano sabe que el delincuente no se cría en Goiás.",3074.12,3076.64,{"idx":3926,"utterance_id":3927,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3928,"start_s":3929,"end_s":3930,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},597,"103833","Es por eso que tengo 88%.",3076.7,3077.46,{"idx":3932,"utterance_id":3933,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3934,"start_s":3935,"end_s":3936,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},598,"103834","Pero calma.",3077.6,3078.66,{"idx":3938,"utterance_id":3939,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":3940,"start_s":3941,"end_s":3942,"word_count":292,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3943,"target_proposition":3944,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":3945,"indexable":290},599,"103835","Y es de esa manera que si soy presidente de la república... voy a rescatar la seguridad en el país.",3078.88,3085.4,"bb8004c0-5fd2-4609-8a79-cafe97e4be45","restaurar la seguridad pública en todo el país","promete 'resgatar a segurança no país' en caso de ser presidente.",{"idx":374,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":174,"text":3948,"start_s":3949,"end_s":3950,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},"103836","¿Pero qué quiero yo?",3085.5,3086.16,{"idx":3952,"utterance_id":3953,"speaker_name":174,"text":3954,"start_s":3955,"end_s":3956,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},601,"103837","Quiero volver, poner a Ronaldo Caiado con Ronaldo Caiado.",3086.22,3089.58,{"idx":3958,"utterance_id":3959,"speaker_name":174,"text":3960,"start_s":3961,"end_s":3962,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},602,"103838","Usted acaba de... Y me pareció saludable.",3089.64,3092.5,{"idx":3964,"utterance_id":3965,"speaker_name":174,"text":3966,"start_s":3967,"end_s":3968,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},603,"103839","Sin duda.",3092.54,3093.1,{"idx":3970,"utterance_id":3971,"speaker_name":174,"text":3972,"start_s":3973,"end_s":3974,"word_count":190,"indexable":177},604,"103840","Usted me dijo, Daniela, yo no quiero... 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TH Joias.",3119.12,3122.24,{"idx":4006,"utterance_id":4007,"speaker_name":174,"text":4008,"start_s":4009,"end_s":4010,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},610,"103846","TH Joias.",3122.32,3123.82,{"idx":4012,"utterance_id":4013,"speaker_name":174,"text":4014,"start_s":4015,"end_s":4016,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},611,"103847","Cuyo registro más famoso es él acostado en un colchón de dinero, gobernador.",3123.86,3128.78,{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":174,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},612,"103848","El TH Joias.",3129.04,3129.78,{"idx":4024,"utterance_id":4025,"speaker_name":174,"text":4026,"start_s":4027,"end_s":4028,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},613,"103849","Entonces, ¿dónde está?",3129.82,3131.14,{"idx":4030,"utterance_id":4031,"speaker_name":174,"text":4032,"start_s":4033,"end_s":4034,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},614,"103850","¿Son los 122 que quedaron en el 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suceder.",3162.48,3165.68,{"idx":4129,"utterance_id":4130,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4131,"start_s":4132,"end_s":4133,"word_count":268,"indexable":177},630,"103866","Soy un hombre que no estoy involucrado en escándalos, no estoy involucrado en corrupción.",3166.18,3169.76,{"idx":4135,"utterance_id":4136,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4137,"start_s":4138,"end_s":4139,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},631,"103867","El Modesto Chaparro.",3169.82,3170.36,{"idx":4141,"utterance_id":4142,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4143,"start_s":4144,"end_s":4145,"word_count":362,"indexable":177},632,"103868","Soy un hombre con espíritu público, soy médico, soy una persona con formación científica, soy una persona que ya he demostrado lo que puedo hacer.",3170.44,3178.2,{"idx":4147,"utterance_id":4148,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4149,"start_s":4150,"end_s":4151,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},633,"103869","Entonces, esta 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es su socio en ese acuerdo de tierras críticas, ¿no es un poco, digamos, incluso peligroso políticamente hacer algún tipo de acuerdo con un presidente que, en fin, aplicó aranceles a Brasil de la manera que lo hizo y todo lo que acompañamos?",3255.4,3276.22,{"idx":4239,"utterance_id":4240,"speaker_name":174,"text":4241,"start_s":4242,"end_s":4243,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},648,"103884","Vamos allá.",3276.98,3277.28,{"idx":4245,"utterance_id":4246,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4247,"start_s":4248,"end_s":4249,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},649,"103885","Primero, tierras raras pesadas.",3278.04,3281.34,{"idx":4251,"utterance_id":4252,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4253,"start_s":4254,"end_s":4255,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},650,"103886","Ese es el término, 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sucediendo.",3341.34,3348.4,{"idx":4345,"utterance_id":4346,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4347,"start_s":4348,"end_s":4349,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},664,"103900","Se está yendo a China en forma de materia bruta.",3348.72,3350.76,{"idx":4351,"utterance_id":4352,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4353,"start_s":4354,"end_s":4355,"word_count":59,"indexable":177},665,"103901","El memorando de entendimiento hecho entre Goiás, Estados Unidos y Japón, entonces fíjese bien, son dos países, ¿qué significa eso, Zanini?",3351.54,3364.2,{"idx":4357,"utterance_id":4358,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4359,"start_s":4360,"end_s":4361,"word_count":515,"topic_slug":4262,"topic_label":4263,"target_id":4335,"target_proposition":4336,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":1590,"rationale":4362,"indexable":290},666,"103902","Significa que, en lugar de que este producto salga en bruto del Estado de Goiás, estamos acoplando investigación con el ámbito universitario, con investigadores, para desarrollar una tecnología que hoy está consolidada por China, y donde estaré mañana, en Goiás, separando de las tierras raras aquellas que son más demandadas.",3364.66,3390.8,"propone acoplar investigación universitaria para evitar la salida de producto bruto.",{"idx":4364,"utterance_id":4365,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4366,"start_s":4367,"end_s":4368,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},667,"103903","El disprosio, el terbio, el neodimio.",3392.02,3397.98,{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":4262,"topic_label":4263,"target_id":4335,"target_proposition":4336,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":4375,"indexable":290},668,"103904","Y entonces sí, Goiás tendrá la condición de no estar exportando materia prima.",3400.18,3406.9,"declara el objetivo de no exportar más materia prima de 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manejar.",3429.74,3434.4,{"idx":4438,"utterance_id":4439,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4440,"start_s":4441,"end_s":4442,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},678,"103914","¿Está claro?",3435.52,3435.88,{"idx":4444,"utterance_id":4445,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4446,"start_s":4447,"end_s":4448,"word_count":231,"indexable":177},679,"103915","No soy de esos hombres que se dejan controlar.",3436.32,3438.6,{"idx":4450,"utterance_id":4451,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4452,"start_s":4453,"end_s":4454,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},680,"103916","Hay hombres así, ¿no?",3438.96,3440.5,{"idx":4456,"utterance_id":4457,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4458,"start_s":4459,"end_s":4460,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},681,"103917","Hace esto, hace aquello.",3440.68,3441.72,{"idx":4462,"utterance_id":4463,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4464,"start_s":4465,"end_s":4466,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},682,"103918","Yo no soy ese hombre.",3441.94,3442.94,{"idx":4468,"utterance_id":4469,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4470,"start_s":4471,"end_s":4472,"word_count":190,"indexable":177},683,"103919","Soy un hombre que, modestia aparte, tuve la oportunidad de estudiar y tengo independencia intelectual y me posiciono según mi conciencia.",3443.38,3450.44,{"idx":4474,"utterance_id":4475,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4476,"start_s":4477,"end_s":4478,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},684,"103920","Así que no estoy subordinado a nadie.",3451.34,3453.06,{"idx":4480,"utterance_id":4481,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4482,"start_s":4483,"end_s":4484,"word_count":377,"topic_slug":480,"topic_label":481,"target_id":482,"target_proposition":483,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":4485,"indexable":290},685,"103921","Pero no tengo ningún reparo en sentarme a discutir inteligencia artificial, discutir tierras raras con el gobierno japonés, con el gobierno americano, con 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Es para que él pueda tener una noción clara de esa tontería que hizo el gobierno de Lula, ¿está bien?",3504.3,3512.76,{"idx":4567,"utterance_id":4568,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4569,"start_s":4570,"end_s":4571,"word_count":585,"topic_slug":4262,"topic_label":4263,"target_id":4572,"target_proposition":4573,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":4574,"indexable":290},699,"103935","Y yo, por la ausencia del gobierno de Lula, Dani, dame 30 segundos, estoy haciendo también un convenio con Japón, donde voy a hacer un inventario del subsuelo, hasta 400 metros de profundidad, con la nueva tecnología que existe en el mundo, para rastrear toda la riqueza mineral que tengo en Goiás, así como el acuífero.",3513.08,3534.06,"465f52f0-4a3b-4f86-9361-53613ba8f8f5","realizar inventario del subsuelo y del acuífero con tecnología avanzada en convenio internacional","anuncia un convenio con Japón para inventariar el subsuelo y el acuífero con 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pecho para decir que sacó a Brasil del mapa del hambre dos veces.",3556.32,3568.14,{"idx":4624,"utterance_id":4625,"speaker_name":174,"text":4626,"start_s":4627,"end_s":4628,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},708,"103944","Quiero entender cuál es la política social de Ronaldo Caiado, ese es el punto uno.",3568.18,3571.66,{"idx":4630,"utterance_id":4631,"speaker_name":174,"text":4632,"start_s":4633,"end_s":4634,"word_count":242,"indexable":177},709,"103945","Y si da, podríamos hacer un bate-bola, un juego rápido, sobre algunos temas que usted intentó traer y no pudimos.",3572.24,3577.68,{"idx":4636,"utterance_id":4637,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4638,"start_s":4639,"end_s":4640,"word_count":211,"indexable":177},710,"103946","Pues vamos, mapa del hambre.",3577.72,3579.04,{"idx":4642,"utterance_id":4643,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4644,"start_s":4645,"end_s":4646,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},711,"103947","Lula ganó la elección, su quinto 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sin proponer acción directa.",{"idx":4833,"utterance_id":4834,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4835,"start_s":4836,"end_s":4837,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4742,"target_proposition":4743,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":459,"rationale":4838,"indexable":177},740,"103976","Pero no me jacto de la tarjeta que doy.",3679.54,3682.4,"prioriza la cualificación profesional en lugar de solo transferencias.",{"idx":4840,"utterance_id":4841,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4842,"start_s":4843,"end_s":4844,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4742,"target_proposition":4743,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":4845,"indexable":290},741,"103977","Me enorgullece la persona que va a tener su profesión y que esté ganando.",3682.8,3687.22,"valora la formación profesional como objetivo de las políticas 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garantizando aumento real todos los años o no?",3689.56,3693.48,"pregunta directa si la regla actual se mantendrá; sin defensa explícita.",{"idx":4869,"utterance_id":4870,"speaker_name":174,"text":4871,"start_s":4872,"end_s":4873,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},745,"103981","¿Cambia?",3693.58,3693.82,{"idx":4875,"utterance_id":4876,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4877,"start_s":4878,"end_s":4879,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4858,"target_proposition":4859,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":459,"rationale":4880,"indexable":177},746,"103982","Esa parte, usted tiene ganancia y el gobierno corta el gasto, no hay ningún problema.",3695.96,3701.84,"afirma que las ganancias pueden compensarse con recortes de gastos, aceptando la regla.",{"idx":4882,"utterance_id":4883,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4884,"start_s":4885,"end_s":4886,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},747,"103983","No habrá 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explícitamente.",3711.76,3715.48,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},752,"103988","Entonces, ¿qué voy a hacer, Zanini?",3715.52,3716.8,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},753,"103989","Voy a escuchar a todo el mundo, ¿está bien?",3716.86,3719,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":4929,"topic_label":4930,"target_id":4931,"target_proposition":4932,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":369,"rationale":4933,"indexable":290},754,"103990","Ahora, ya pasé por situaciones graves y rescaté el equilibrio fiscal de Goiás.",3719.36,3724.18,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Política Fiscal y Social","11af2081-c6ac-43df-8626-73389d983841","reducir la deuda pública y combatir desvíos\u002Fcorrupción para equilibrar cuentas","reclama haber recuperado el equilibrio fiscal en Goiás (acción propia).",{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":4929,"topic_label":4930,"target_id":4931,"target_proposition":4932,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":459,"rationale":4940,"indexable":177},755,"103991","Pero hoy es un estado con equilibrio fiscal, pagos al día, todo en orden, tranquilo.",3724.84,3729.16,"afirma la condición actual del estado como resultado de la gestión (defensa de gestión).",{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":174,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},756,"103992","El puesto Ipiranga, para quien no lo recuerde, es un portavoz económico, ¿no?",3729.2,3732.06,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":174,"text":4950,"start_s":4951,"end_s":4952,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},757,"103993","Que es como Jair Bolsonaro llamaba a Paulo Guedes.",3732.18,3734.18,{"idx":4954,"utterance_id":4955,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4956,"start_s":4957,"end_s":4958,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},758,"103994","Exactamente.",3734.24,3734.78,{"idx":4960,"utterance_id":4961,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":4962,"start_s":4963,"end_s":4964,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4965,"target_proposition":4966,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":3057,"rationale":4967,"indexable":290},759,"103995","Tiene que haber el portavoz, tiene el puesto Ipiranga, pero tiene que haber sensibilidad política.",3735.98,3740.78,"9c45e870-5606-4d82-8821-343201626e03","combinar técnicos competentes con conducción política responsable en la economía","defiende que, además del vocero técnico, es necesaria sensibilidad 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gobierno.",3777.86,3779.88,"enfatiza gobernar desde el primer día como práctica necesaria.",{"idx":5062,"utterance_id":5063,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5064,"start_s":5065,"end_s":5066,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":4999,"topic_label":5000,"target_id":5001,"target_proposition":5002,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":5067,"indexable":290},774,"104010","Ya lanzas todos los temas relevantes con todos los proyectos listos y remitidos al Congreso Nacional.",3779.92,3784.78,"propone enviar proyectos ya listos al Congreso desde el primer día.",{"idx":5069,"utterance_id":5070,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5071,"start_s":5072,"end_s":5073,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":4999,"topic_label":5000,"target_id":5001,"target_proposition":5002,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":471,"rationale":5074,"indexable":290},775,"104011","Y a partir de ahí te reúnes todos los días.",3785.38,3787.16,"Defiende reuniones diarias para implementar la agenda 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blanco.",3804.54,3807.22,{"idx":5118,"utterance_id":5119,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5120,"start_s":5121,"end_s":5122,"word_count":179,"indexable":177},783,"104019","Famoso.",3807.3,3807.78,{"idx":5124,"utterance_id":5125,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5126,"start_s":5127,"end_s":5128,"word_count":217,"indexable":177},784,"104020","Eso es una maravilla, ¿no es verdad?",3807.92,3809.96,{"idx":5130,"utterance_id":5131,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5132,"start_s":5133,"end_s":5134,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":5135,"target_proposition":5136,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":288,"rationale":5137,"indexable":290},785,"104021","Porque Lula lo citó, pero su caballo blanco, yo dije, y su jet blanco que se come la propina de Lubeca, fue el primer mensalão de Brasil; fui yo quien lo denunció.",3810.1,3821.26,"9ebc9fc9-353a-41fb-ae7f-21f70c06830a","prevenir, identificar, investigar y castigar casos de corrupción","Acusa a 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mensalão.",{"idx":5152,"utterance_id":5153,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5154,"start_s":5155,"end_s":5156,"word_count":217,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":5135,"target_proposition":5136,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":459,"rationale":5157,"indexable":177},788,"104024","Mi caballo come en mis pastos.",3832.3,3834.02,"Contrasta su integridad con la acusación de corrupción contra el adversario.",{"idx":5159,"utterance_id":5160,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5161,"start_s":5162,"end_s":5163,"word_count":274,"indexable":177},789,"104025","Y usted, que es su jet blanco aquí, come aquí en los pastos de Lubeca.",3834.14,3839.28,{"idx":5165,"utterance_id":5166,"speaker_name":174,"text":5167,"start_s":5168,"end_s":5169,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},790,"104026","Pero, ¿vuelve, va a haber otro caballo blanco ahí?",3839.4,3841.52,{"idx":5171,"utterance_id":5172,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5173,"start_s":5174,"end_s":5175,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},791,"104027","Hoy en día, si no ha visto todavía, han puesto una foto mía completamente montado en mi mula.",3842.98,3847.68,{"idx":5177,"utterance_id":5178,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5179,"start_s":5180,"end_s":5181,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},792,"104028","Soy un apasionado, soy mulero, soy tropeiro, mantengo la historia de Goiás.",3847.72,3852.38,{"idx":5183,"utterance_id":5184,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5185,"start_s":5186,"end_s":5187,"word_count":224,"indexable":177},793,"104029","Tengo una mula, la adoro, ¿entiende?",3852.72,3855.7,{"idx":5189,"utterance_id":5190,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5191,"start_s":5192,"end_s":5193,"word_count":250,"indexable":177},794,"104030","Entonces tengo una mula mía que incluso pide votos, ¿entiende?",3855.78,3859.64,{"idx":5195,"utterance_id":5196,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5197,"start_s":5198,"end_s":5199,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},795,"104031","Ella sabe pedir incluso votos.",3859.74,3861.08,{"idx":5201,"utterance_id":5202,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5203,"start_s":5204,"end_s":5205,"word_count":256,"indexable":177},796,"104032","Entonces, soy un apasionado por la historia del país y mantengo las tradiciones.",3861.5,3865.58,{"idx":5207,"utterance_id":5208,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5209,"start_s":5210,"end_s":5211,"word_count":192,"indexable":177},797,"104033","Entonces, me gusta.",3866.02,3866.82,{"idx":5213,"utterance_id":5214,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5215,"start_s":5216,"end_s":5217,"word_count":205,"indexable":177},798,"104034","Me gusta el deporte ecuestre.",3867,3869.8,{"idx":5219,"utterance_id":5220,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5221,"start_s":5222,"end_s":5223,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},799,"104035","Soy un apasionado.",3870.18,3871.16,{"idx":5225,"utterance_id":5226,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5227,"start_s":5228,"end_s":5229,"word_count":198,"indexable":177},800,"104036","Y de moar también.",3871.62,3872.38,{"idx":5231,"utterance_id":5232,"speaker_name":174,"text":5233,"start_s":5234,"end_s":5235,"word_count":236,"indexable":177},801,"104037","Gente, bueno, si se sirvió un aperitivo, ya está sintiendo que los debates en esta elección de 2026 serán... acalorados.",3872.72,3882.4,{"idx":5237,"utterance_id":5238,"speaker_name":174,"text":5239,"start_s":5240,"end_s":5241,"word_count":4,"indexable":177},802,"104038","Gobernador, quiero agradecer muchísimo su presencia aquí.",3882.82,3886.58,{"idx":5243,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":174,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":203,"indexable":177},803,"104039","Gracias por la franqueza, la energía, la disposición y la honestidad en el debate intelectual, que es una marca de su trayectoria.",3886.82,3895.34,{"idx":5249,"utterance_id":5250,"speaker_name":174,"text":5251,"start_s":5252,"end_s":5253,"word_count":339,"indexable":177},804,"104040","Deseo al señor mucha suerte, buen trabajo y estaremos aquí fastidiándole, como siempre, como lo hacemos desde hace mucho tiempo, siguiendo todo.",3895.8,3904.08,{"idx":5255,"utterance_id":5256,"speaker_name":174,"text":5257,"start_s":5258,"end_s":5259,"word_count":185,"indexable":177},805,"104041","Gracias, gobernador.",3904.12,3904.86,{"idx":5261,"utterance_id":5262,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5263,"start_s":5264,"end_s":5265,"word_count":15,"indexable":177},806,"104042","Miren, gente, yo les agradezco muchísimo porque creo que tengo tantas... tantas ganas de volver al debate que no se imaginan lo mucho que significa poder volver al debate en esta elección.",3905.72,3915.08,{"idx":5267,"utterance_id":5268,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5269,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5271,"word_count":250,"topic_slug":5272,"topic_label":5273,"target_id":5274,"target_proposition":5275,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":3057,"rationale":5276,"indexable":290},807,"104043","Creo que tiene que existir la belleza del debate, ¿no es verdad?",3915.12,3917.4,"processo-eleitoral","Proceso electoral","a5ed9167-bda0-4bb4-8285-7f0df238e764","exigir capacidad de debate y cualificación de los candidatos","Defiende la 'beleza do debate' y critica a candidatos sin preparación.",{"idx":5278,"utterance_id":5279,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5280,"start_s":5281,"end_s":5282,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5272,"topic_label":5273,"target_id":5274,"target_proposition":5275,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":3057,"rationale":5283,"indexable":290},808,"104044","Ya no se puede ser candidato de bolsa de colete.",3917.7,3919.8,"Declara que no se admite un candidato protegido o sin capacidad de debatir.",{"idx":5285,"utterance_id":5286,"speaker_name":113,"speaker_slug":112,"text":5287,"start_s":5288,"end_s":5289,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":5272,"topic_label":5273,"target_id":5274,"target_proposition":5275,"stance":287,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":5290,"indexable":290},809,"104045","Tiene que ser un candidato que tenga capacidad de debatir.",3919.98,3922.6,"Afirma explícitamente que el candidato debe tener capacidad de 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