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si se concreta un escenario en el que Jair Bolsonaro, que está inelegible y a punto de ser juzgado por el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), intenta aplazar al máximo la indicación de quien contará con su apoyo.",0.06,13.16,34,false,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1,"206532","Nuestro entrevistado de hoy es uno de los que se han postulado para disputar ese voto bolsonarista.",13.86,19.58,17,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":69,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},2,"206533","En su segundo mandato, al frente del segundo estado más grande del país en número de electores y el tercero en la economía, tiene un gobierno aprobado por el 55% y rechazado por el 35% de la población, según la última encuesta Quest, divulgada la semana pasada.",20.2,38.66,44,{"idx":90,"utterance_id":91,"speaker_name":69,"text":92,"start_s":93,"end_s":94,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},3,"206534","En la campaña, para darse a conocer en el resto de Brasil, ha realizado un periplo por otras regiones, intensificó sus críticas al gobierno de Lula y ha venido apostando por declaraciones controvertidas, como la reciente comparación entre personas sin hogar y coches estacionados en lugares prohibidos, que deberían ser linchados.",39.26,58.34,48,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":69,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},4,"206535","Para hablar sobre todos esos temas, y también sobre el desafío que el 'tarifazo' impone a la economía de Minas y de Brasil, la discusión sobre la amnistía y mucho más, hoy está en el centro de Roda Viva, por primera vez, el gobernador de Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema, del Partido Novo.",58.94,76.48,{"idx":103,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":69,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},5,"206536","Romeu Zema Neto nació el 28 de octubre de 1964 en Araxá, en el Triângulo 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futuro.",285,288.22,{"idx":290,"utterance_id":291,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":292,"start_s":293,"end_s":294,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},38,"206569","Y para que Brasil sea viable, tenemos que acabar con esa pelea de padre y madre, donde quienes están pagando la cuenta son los hijos, es decir, los brasileños.",288.4,299.58,{"idx":296,"utterance_id":297,"speaker_name":69,"text":298,"start_s":299,"end_s":300,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},39,"206570","Pero si hay una amnistía y el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) la considera inconstitucional, por ejemplo, ¿no estaremos perpetuando esa pelea en vez de acabarla?",299.92,308.3,{"idx":302,"utterance_id":303,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":304,"start_s":305,"end_s":306,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},40,"206571","Veo que tenemos que equilibrar esa cuestión de que el Congreso Nacional decida, recordando que el Congreso representa al pueblo, y el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) tome otra 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apoyé.",386.36,391.46,{"idx":384,"utterance_id":385,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":386,"start_s":387,"end_s":388,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},54,"206585","Nunca fui del mismo partido que él.",392.3,395.76,{"idx":390,"utterance_id":391,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":392,"start_s":393,"end_s":394,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},55,"206586","Él, inclusive, en el 22, apoyó a otro candidato al gobierno de Minas.",396.34,402.54,{"idx":396,"utterance_id":397,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":398,"start_s":399,"end_s":400,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},56,"206587","Entonces, esa vinculación mía con él no es tan grande como algunos pregonan.",403.32,410.86,{"idx":402,"utterance_id":403,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":404,"start_s":405,"end_s":406,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},57,"206588","Tenemos, sí, propuestas en las que creemos.",411.38,415.66,{"idx":408,"utterance_id":409,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":410,"start_s":411,"end_s":412,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},58,"206589","Estamos de acuerdo.",416.42,417.92,{"idx":414,"utterance_id":415,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":416,"start_s":417,"end_s":418,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},59,"206590","Queremos un Estado más ligero, queremos combatir la corrupción, valoro la familia, soy cristiano.",418.58,428.42,{"idx":420,"utterance_id":421,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":422,"start_s":423,"end_s":424,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},60,"206591","Entonces, esas pautas nos unen.",429.06,431.36,{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},61,"206592","Ahora, decir que yo siempre caminé con él... Quien conoce mi vida analiza perfectamente que nunca estuvimos en el mismo partido y disputando las elecciones en primera vuelta, lado a lado.",431.98,448.02,{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":69,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},62,"206593","Berta, por favor.",448.62,449.4,{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":69,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},63,"206594","Un placer hablar con usted, gobernador.",450.46,452.46,{"idx":444,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":69,"text":446,"start_s":447,"end_s":448,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},64,"206595","Usted ha sido muy criticado en la Asamblea Legislativa por el volumen de exenciones fiscales del Estado.",452.88,460.72,{"idx":450,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":69,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},65,"206596","Cuando usted asumió en 2019, eran 7,9 mil millones.",460.76,465.26,{"idx":456,"utterance_id":457,"speaker_name":69,"text":458,"start_s":459,"end_s":460,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},66,"206597","proyectados en la LDO para 2026, ya 25,2 mil millones, por lo tanto, más de 200% de aumento en las exenciones fiscales.",465.72,475.92,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":69,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},67,"206598","Y el vicegobernador Matheus Simões, el 8 de mayo, en la Asamblea Legislativa, se comprometió ante los diputados a dar transparencia a esas exenciones fiscales, gobernador, pero luego el gobierno reculó respecto a eso.",476.36,491.8,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":69,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},68,"206599","¿Hay entre esas empresas, gobernador, accionistas que, por casualidad, financiaron alguna campaña, su campaña?",493.16,502.12,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":69,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},69,"206600","¿Cuál sería el motivo de no dar transparencia sobre esas exenciones fiscales?",502.84,509.64,{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},70,"206601","Bueno, Berta, mi gobierno valora, por encima de todo, la transparencia.",510.7,516.26,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},71,"206602","Antes de que yo fuera elegido... Cualquiera aquí que sigue Minas Gerais sabe que los vuelos de los exgobernadores solo se divulgaban después de cinco años, es decir, ya se habían ido.",517.16,529.84,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},72,"206603","Cualquiera que entre hoy en el sitio del gobierno de Minas sabe la aeronave que usé el mes pasado, adónde fui, quién fue conmigo y qué fui a hacer.",530.52,544.28,{"idx":498,"utterance_id":499,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":500,"start_s":501,"end_s":502,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},73,"206604","Y así ha sido con todo.",545.04,546.64,{"idx":504,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},74,"206605","Tanto es así que en el gobierno PT-Pimentel, Minas ocupaba el 22º lugar en el ranking de transparencia, según la Controladoria Geral da União.",547.1,559.78,{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},75,"206606","Hoy estamos en primer lugar.",559.86,562.9,{"idx":516,"utterance_id":517,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":518,"start_s":519,"end_s":520,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},76,"206607","Ahora, poquísimos estados, verificamos, han dado... esa transparencia de las exenciones fiscales.",563.82,572.06,{"idx":522,"utterance_id":523,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":524,"start_s":525,"end_s":526,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},77,"206608","Y yo no voy a perjudicar a Minas Gerais mostrando aquello que prácticamente 22 o 23 estados no han mostrado todavía.",572.5,581.5,{"idx":528,"utterance_id":529,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":530,"start_s":531,"end_s":532,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},78,"206609","El día que todos muestren, Minas estará junto.",581.98,585.58,{"idx":534,"utterance_id":535,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":536,"start_s":537,"end_s":538,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},79,"206610","No tenemos nada que esconder.",585.96,588.22,{"idx":540,"utterance_id":541,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":542,"start_s":543,"end_s":544,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},80,"206611","Ahora, ¿por qué ese valor aumentó tanto?",588.64,590.92,{"idx":546,"utterance_id":547,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":548,"start_s":549,"end_s":550,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},81,"206612","¿Sabe por qué?",590.94,592.1,{"idx":552,"utterance_id":553,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":554,"start_s":555,"end_s":556,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},82,"206613","Porque llevamos a Minas Gerais más de 500 mil millones en inversiones privadas.",592.52,599.56,{"idx":558,"utterance_id":559,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":560,"start_s":561,"end_s":562,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},83,"206614","Una montaña de dinero de industrias, de centros de distribución, y esas empresas instaladas en Minas están recaudando ICMS en Minas Gerais, los impuestos estatales.",600.32,615.3,{"idx":564,"utterance_id":565,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":566,"start_s":567,"end_s":568,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},84,"206615","Y, consecuentemente... la masa se amplía.",615.66,618.6,{"idx":570,"utterance_id":571,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":572,"start_s":573,"end_s":574,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},85,"206616","Ahora quiero dejar muy claro: en mi gobierno no creamos... ninguna exención fiscal nueva.",619.06,625.78,{"idx":576,"utterance_id":577,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":578,"start_s":579,"end_s":580,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},86,"206617","Solo seguimos utilizando aquellas que ya existían anteriormente, además de que esto está regulado por el CONFAS.",626.28,636.1,{"idx":582,"utterance_id":583,"speaker_name":69,"text":584,"start_s":585,"end_s":586,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},87,"206618","Pero si se ampliaron, ¿cómo se explica?",636.2,640.84,{"idx":588,"utterance_id":589,"speaker_name":69,"text":590,"start_s":591,"end_s":592,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},88,"206619","Si no hay nuevas, ¿cómo es que pasa de 7,9 a 25,2?",641.84,646.1,{"idx":594,"utterance_id":595,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":596,"start_s":597,"end_s":598,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},89,"206620","Entonces, creo que puede entenderlo por el ejemplo que voy a dar.",646.24,649.54,{"idx":600,"utterance_id":601,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":602,"start_s":603,"end_s":604,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},90,"206621","Quizás tuviéramos en Minas Gerais, solo a modo de ejemplo aquí, tres fábricas de cerveza.",650.26,656.64,{"idx":606,"utterance_id":607,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":608,"start_s":609,"end_s":610,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},91,"206622","Hoy debemos tener 11.",657.26,660.06,{"idx":612,"utterance_id":613,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":614,"start_s":615,"end_s":616,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},92,"206623","Ese sector tiene un tratamiento tributario especial.",660.32,663.48,{"idx":618,"utterance_id":619,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":620,"start_s":621,"end_s":622,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},93,"206624","¿Qué pasó?",664.16,665.16,{"idx":624,"utterance_id":625,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":626,"start_s":627,"end_s":628,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},94,"206625","Si antes eran 3 mil millones, hoy son 11 mil millones, porque las nuevas fábricas empezaron a hacer uso del mismo incentivo fiscal.",665.9,677.5,{"idx":630,"utterance_id":631,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":632,"start_s":633,"end_s":634,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},95,"206626","que ya existía anteriormente.",677.94,680.48,{"idx":636,"utterance_id":637,"speaker_name":69,"text":638,"start_s":639,"end_s":640,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},96,"206627","Entonces lo que usted quiso decir es que no hay nuevas modalidades, pero sí nuevas líneas.",680.68,684.64,{"idx":642,"utterance_id":643,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":644,"start_s":645,"end_s":646,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},97,"206628","Exactamente.",684.88,686.04,{"idx":648,"utterance_id":649,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":650,"start_s":651,"end_s":652,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},98,"206629","Entonces, la energía fotovoltaica tiene incentivo.",686.7,691.52,{"idx":654,"utterance_id":655,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":656,"start_s":657,"end_s":658,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},99,"206630","Teníamos 500 megavatios siendo generados en Minas.",692.22,696.04,{"idx":660,"utterance_id":661,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":662,"start_s":663,"end_s":664,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},100,"206631","Hoy tenemos 13 gigavatios, 26 veces más.",696.24,701.5,{"idx":666,"utterance_id":667,"speaker_name":69,"text":668,"start_s":669,"end_s":670,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},101,"206632","Entonces, Berta, creo que queda claro el porqué de ese aumento allí.",702.38,708.1,{"idx":672,"utterance_id":673,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":674,"start_s":675,"end_s":676,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},102,"206633","No se creó nada.",708.62,710.3,{"idx":678,"utterance_id":679,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":680,"start_s":681,"end_s":682,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},103,"206634","Lo que tenemos hoy es una economía más diversificada, más robusta.",710.6,715.16,{"idx":684,"utterance_id":685,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":686,"start_s":687,"end_s":688,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},104,"206635","Fui en busca de inversores y mostrándoles que es bueno invertir en Minas.",715.66,720.82,{"idx":690,"utterance_id":691,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":692,"start_s":693,"end_s":694,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},105,"206636","Y vinieron.",720.98,721.48,{"idx":696,"utterance_id":697,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":698,"start_s":699,"end_s":700,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},106,"206637","Y la gente de Minas está satisfecha.",721.76,723.2,{"idx":702,"utterance_id":703,"speaker_name":69,"text":704,"start_s":705,"end_s":706,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},107,"206638","Ricardo, por favor.",724.68,725.6,{"idx":708,"utterance_id":709,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":710,"start_s":711,"end_s":712,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},108,"206639","Gobernador, quisiera entender mejor su posición respecto a la cuestión de la amnistía.",726.1,730.06,{"idx":714,"utterance_id":715,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":716,"start_s":717,"end_s":718,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},109,"206640","Usted ha dicho que, como no hubo disparos, no hubo muertes, eso sería pasible, entre otros argumentos, de amnistía.",730.26,738.34,{"idx":720,"utterance_id":721,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":722,"start_s":723,"end_s":724,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},110,"206641","Cuando se examina un historial, esas personas estaban frente a los cuarteles, exigiendo una intervención de las Fuerzas Armadas, lo que por sí solo ya constituye, según la legislación aprobada por el propio ex‑presidente Jair Bolsonaro, una incitación al delito.",738.38,751.24,{"idx":726,"utterance_id":727,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":728,"start_s":729,"end_s":730,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},111,"206642","Después de eso, intentaron invadir la sede de la Policía Federal.",751.9,754.42,{"idx":732,"utterance_id":733,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":734,"start_s":735,"end_s":736,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},112,"206643","el día 12, el día de la diplomación, prendieron fuego a un coche, a un autobús en plena ciudad.",754.46,760.88,{"idx":738,"utterance_id":739,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":740,"start_s":741,"end_s":742,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},113,"206644","Después, el 24 de diciembre, hubo la bomba en el aeropuerto, que fue encontrada en un camión que se dirigía al aeropuerto de Brasília, víspera de Navidad.",760.92,768.28,{"idx":744,"utterance_id":745,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":746,"start_s":747,"end_s":748,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},114,"206645","Y luego invadieron los edificios públicos, destruyeron los edificios públicos, robaron algunos objetos de allí, agredieron a policías con una barra de hierro en la cabeza, derribaron a otro de un caballo y todo el tiempo.",768.88,780.46,{"idx":750,"utterance_id":751,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":752,"start_s":753,"end_s":754,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},115,"206646","dijeron 'solo saldremos de aquí si el gobierno cae y si el ejército toma posesión de la situación'.",780.48,788.1,{"idx":756,"utterance_id":757,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":758,"start_s":759,"end_s":760,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},116,"206647","Todas esas situaciones para usted aun así son dignas de amnistía.",789.26,792.3,{"idx":762,"utterance_id":763,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":764,"start_s":765,"end_s":766,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},117,"206648","¿Y usted cree que no hubo un intento de golpe?",792.52,794.66,{"idx":768,"utterance_id":769,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":770,"start_s":771,"end_s":772,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},118,"206649","Ricardo, mi interpretación, y creo que mucha gente coincide con esto, es que nunca hubo en otro país del mundo algo que se considerara golpe de Estado con las características de todos esos movimientos que usted relató.",795.94,817.1,{"idx":774,"utterance_id":775,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":776,"start_s":777,"end_s":778,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},119,"206650","Un golpe de Estado siempre se hace con apoyo de fuerzas armadas o de milicias o de algo por el estilo.",818.28,828.56,{"idx":780,"utterance_id":781,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":782,"start_s":783,"end_s":784,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},120,"206651","Yo interpreto todo esto como manifestación, como desorden, como insatisfacción.",829.32,836.74,{"idx":786,"utterance_id":787,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":788,"start_s":789,"end_s":790,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},121,"206652","Y ya hemos tenido muchas, muchísimas veces; podríamos hacer un informe enorme de manifestaciones realizadas por la izquierda en los últimos años, que fueron tratadas meramente como manifestaciones.",837.36,852.6,{"idx":792,"utterance_id":793,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":794,"start_s":795,"end_s":796,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},122,"206653","Entonces, creo que corresponde una gran atenuación.",853.24,856.96,{"idx":798,"utterance_id":799,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":800,"start_s":801,"end_s":802,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},123,"206654","Porque nadie disparó, nadie fue asesinado.",857.44,860.56,{"idx":804,"utterance_id":805,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":806,"start_s":807,"end_s":808,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},124,"206655","Una bomba, por ejemplo.",860.58,861.5,{"idx":810,"utterance_id":811,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":812,"start_s":813,"end_s":814,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},125,"206656","Sí, pero no tuvimos ningún enfrentamiento que caracterizara un golpe, en mi opinión.",862.04,870.46,{"idx":816,"utterance_id":817,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":818,"start_s":819,"end_s":820,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},126,"206657","Si usted quiere dar un golpe, llega armado, llega en gran número de personas.",870.54,876.18,{"idx":822,"utterance_id":823,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":824,"start_s":825,"end_s":826,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},127,"206658","Lo que hubo fue, sí, depredación, hubo desorden, que deben ser castigados, pero en ningún otro lugar del mundo.",876.92,885.44,{"idx":828,"utterance_id":829,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":830,"start_s":831,"end_s":832,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},128,"206659","Creo que alguien que escribió en un monumento público con lápiz labial algo fue condenado a 14 años.",886.24,893.74,{"idx":834,"utterance_id":835,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":836,"start_s":837,"end_s":838,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},129,"206660","Alguien que se sentó en un sillón fue condenado a 17 años.",894.22,899.52,{"idx":840,"utterance_id":841,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":842,"start_s":843,"end_s":844,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},130,"206661","Entonces, hay que castigar.",900.02,901.52,{"idx":846,"utterance_id":847,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":848,"start_s":849,"end_s":850,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},131,"206662","Pero creo que es la pena que la ley determina para invasión, para depredación y no para atentado contra la democracia.",901.88,910.44,{"idx":852,"utterance_id":853,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":854,"start_s":855,"end_s":856,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},132,"206663","Ya hubo muchos atentados en el pasado.",910.84,913.48,{"idx":858,"utterance_id":859,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":860,"start_s":861,"end_s":862,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},133,"206664","Puedo decir que fue provocado por la izquierda y nadie recibió ese trato.",913.78,919.08,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":864,"speaker_name":69,"text":865,"start_s":866,"end_s":867,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"206665","Zanini.",919.54,920.56,{"idx":869,"utterance_id":870,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":156,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},135,"206666",920.58,921.16,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},136,"206667","¿Todo bien?",921.2,921.56,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},137,"206668","En los últimos meses, los gobernadores de derecha, usted incluido, están lanzando sus precandidaturas y parece que hacen un movimiento de despegarse un poco de Bolsonaro, de no articularse con la familia Bolsonaro.",922.48,936.3,{"idx":886,"utterance_id":887,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":888,"start_s":889,"end_s":890,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},138,"206669","Y han sido muy criticados por ello, por los hijos de Bolsonaro.",937.5,941.08,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},"206670","Otro día Carlos Bolsonaro llamó a los gobernadores ratas, por ejemplo, ese estilo peculiar suyo.",941.5,946.4,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},140,"206671","Quisiera saber cómo usted ve esa situación y si existe en este momento una división en la derecha.",946.98,951.2,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},141,"206672","¿De la familia Bolsonaro, evidentemente con el padre que está preso, en arresto domiciliario, y los gobernadores queriendo trazar sus caminos de manera desarticulada con la familia y generando ese conflicto?",952.52,964.56,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},142,"206673","Fábio, no hay división.",965.7,967.96,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},143,"206674","Incluso, hace unos 30 días fui a Brasília para una serie de compromisos, entre ellos, encontrarme con el presidente Bolsonaro.",968.5,980.34,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},144,"206675","Y le comuniqué, en primicia, que estaría lanzando, el día 16 de agosto, mi precampaña a la presidencia por el Partido Novo.",980.92,993.52,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},145,"206676","Y lo que él dijo fue lo siguiente, incluso Caiado ya lo repitió: cuantos más candidatos tenga la derecha, mejor.",994.24,1004.64,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},146,"206677","Más fuerte será.",1005.3,1006.62,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},147,"206678","En Minas Gerais, sin duda, mi candidatura traerá más votos para la derecha.",1007.32,1012.86,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},148,"206679","Lo mismo puede ocurrir en Goiás, en Rio Grande do Sul, en Paraná, no sé en qué otro estado.",1013.4,1020.92,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":951,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":952,"start_s":953,"end_s":954,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},"206680","Entonces, eso va a fortalecer a la derecha, que estará, sí, unida en la segunda vuelta, lo cual es importante.",1021.38,1030.2,{"idx":956,"utterance_id":957,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":958,"start_s":959,"end_s":960,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},150,"206681","Y buena parte de esos votos del primer turno, con seguridad, migrarán.",1030.66,1036.34,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":963,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":964,"start_s":965,"end_s":966,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},151,"206682","hacia la segunda vuelta, lo que significa que incluso hay una lógica detrás de esto.",1036.72,1043.02,{"idx":968,"utterance_id":969,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":970,"start_s":971,"end_s":972,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},152,"206683","No es malo.",1043.4,1044.2,{"idx":974,"utterance_id":975,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":976,"start_s":977,"end_s":978,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},153,"206684","Ahora, esos comentarios, en mi opinión, fueron comentarios desafortunados, en el calor del momento, respondiendo al proceso del padre.",1044.76,1053.44,{"idx":980,"utterance_id":981,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":982,"start_s":983,"end_s":984,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},154,"206685","Realmente, incluso me solidarizo con la familia por lo que han enfrentado.",1054.24,1059.88,{"idx":986,"utterance_id":987,"speaker_name":69,"text":988,"start_s":989,"end_s":990,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},155,"206686","Pero ellos los llamaron ratas.",1060.72,1062.78,{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},156,"206687","Ya me han insultado de todo, Vera.",1064,1066.26,{"idx":998,"utterance_id":999,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1000,"start_s":1001,"end_s":1002,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},157,"206688","Lo que me importa es lo que soy, ¿sabe?",1066.42,1069.06,{"idx":1004,"utterance_id":1005,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1006,"start_s":1007,"end_s":1008,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},158,"206689","Así que, si yo fuera a tener en cuenta las agresiones gratuitas que recibo todos los días, siempre consideraría las críticas como algo constructivo.",1069.22,1081.28,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":1011,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1012,"start_s":1013,"end_s":1014,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},159,"206690","Ahora, como dije, creo que en el calor del momento, debido a toda esta situación triste... que merece, creo, mi solidaridad y no agresión, surgen este tipo de comentarios.",1081.94,1095.02,{"idx":1016,"utterance_id":1017,"speaker_name":69,"text":1018,"start_s":1019,"end_s":1020,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},160,"206691","Está bien, Edilene.",1095.32,1096.34,{"idx":1022,"utterance_id":1023,"speaker_name":69,"text":1024,"start_s":1025,"end_s":1026,"word_count":414,"indexable":74},161,"206692","Gobernador, usted y los otros gobernadores que son aspirantes a la presidencia de la República, más de la derecha, vinculados a la familia, al expresidente Jair Bolsonaro, ¿temen en este momento adoptar una postura más dura, como respuesta, por ejemplo, a esa historia de ser llamados ratas y ser ametrallados públicamente en términos de narrativa comunicacional por la familia Bolsonaro?",1096.84,1118.02,{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":69,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},162,"206693","¿Temen entrar en confrontación con la familia Bolsonaro en este momento?",1118.06,1120.92,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},163,"206694","Edilene, yo no soy una persona beligerante.",1122.08,1125.84,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},164,"206695","Usted, que ya me acompañó en Minas durante mucho tiempo, Ricardo, que está aquí con nosotros, sabe muy bien cuál es mi postura.",1126.5,1134.44,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1048,"start_s":1049,"end_s":1050,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},165,"206696","Así que nosotros de derecha estamos muy conscientes de que esto... Fue hecho en el momento en que la presión es muy grande, que el padre está siendo juzgado, que hay una perspectiva difícil para la familia en términos políticos.",1135.38,1156.28,{"idx":1052,"utterance_id":1053,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1054,"start_s":1055,"end_s":1056,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},166,"206697","Algunos pueden ver revocados sus derechos políticos, espero que no.",1156.74,1161.5,{"idx":1058,"utterance_id":1059,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1060,"start_s":1061,"end_s":1062,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},167,"206698","Entonces, todo eso aflora ahora y debemos comprenderlo.",1162.04,1168.14,{"idx":1064,"utterance_id":1065,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1066,"start_s":1067,"end_s":1068,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},168,"206699","Soy, por encima de todo, humano.",1169.12,1171.2,{"idx":1070,"utterance_id":1071,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1072,"start_s":1073,"end_s":1074,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},169,"206700","Si un niño que perdió a su madre está haciendo un berrinche, creo que usted tendrá más comprensión con él, sabiendo que en ese momento está sufriendo, muy afligido.",1171.86,1183.5,{"idx":1076,"utterance_id":1077,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1078,"start_s":1079,"end_s":1080,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},170,"206701","Entonces, creo que todos nosotros de derecha compartimos esa visión.",1183.98,1189.06,{"idx":1082,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},171,"206702","Fue una declaración desafortunada.",1189.46,1191.2,{"idx":1088,"utterance_id":1089,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1090,"start_s":1091,"end_s":1092,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},172,"206703","Ocurren declaraciones desafortunadas.",1191.38,1193.4,{"idx":1094,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":69,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},173,"206704","Solo para retomar lo que dijo Ricardo: la amnistía en Brasil es una prerrogativa del Congreso Nacional.",1193.42,1198.16,{"idx":1100,"utterance_id":1101,"speaker_name":69,"text":1102,"start_s":1103,"end_s":1104,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},174,"206705","Pero si usted fuera elegido presidente de la República, ¿apoyaría una amnistía para el ex‑presidente Jair Bolsonaro?",1198.2,1203.16,{"idx":1106,"utterance_id":1107,"speaker_name":69,"text":1108,"start_s":1109,"end_s":1110,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},175,"206706","¿O concedería una gracia o un indulto, que esas son prerrogativas del Ejecutivo?",1203.36,1207.44,{"idx":1112,"utterance_id":1113,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1114,"start_s":1115,"end_s":1116,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},176,"206707","Sí apoyaría, Edilene, tal como dije al principio.",1208.46,1211.86,{"idx":1118,"utterance_id":1119,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1120,"start_s":1121,"end_s":1122,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},177,"206708","Quiero un Brasil pacificado.",1211.92,1214.94,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},"206709","y no al padre y a la madre peleando y a los hijos desatendidos, pagando la cuenta, sin comida, sin poder bañarse bien, que es lo que está ocurriendo en Brasil.",1215.74,1226.54,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},179,"206710","Necesitamos pacificar Brasil.",1226.92,1229.98,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},180,"206711","Ya concedimos amnistía en el pasado a asesinos, ya dimos amnistías a secuestradores; ahora no vamos a otorgar amnistía en este caso.",1230.64,1241.74,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":69,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},181,"206712","Pero hubo un intento de golpe, gobernador.",1242.24,1244.96,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":69,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},182,"206713","Hubo un intento de golpe en Brasil y fue un proceso, no fue solo un desorden.",1245.26,1252.64,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":69,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},183,"206714","Hubo un proceso, eso está ampliamente demostrado por la Policía Federal, en la investigación por la Procuraduría General de la República.",1252.84,1260.88,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":69,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},184,"206715","Y si ese intento de golpe hubiera tenido éxito... posiblemente muchas cosas no estarían aconteciendo como están aún en la normalidad democrática en la que vivimos.",1261.42,1274.22,{"idx":1165,"utterance_id":1166,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1167,"start_s":1168,"end_s":1169,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},185,"206716","Berta, creo que en el ámbito jurídico existe una zona gris, que está entre usted tener la intención de hacer algo y usted realmente concretar eso.",1275.36,1292.24,{"idx":1171,"utterance_id":1172,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1173,"start_s":1174,"end_s":1175,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},186,"206717","Si usted me diera ahora un cheque de 100 mil reales para llevarlo a una institución de caridad, creo que sería un acto extremadamente noble de su parte.",1293.62,1304.92,{"idx":1177,"utterance_id":1178,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1179,"start_s":1180,"end_s":1181,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},187,"206718","Pero mañana, a la hora de entregarlo a la institución, usted me llama y me dice: 'oh Romeu, no lo entregue'.",1305.76,1312.76,{"idx":1183,"utterance_id":1184,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1185,"start_s":1186,"end_s":1187,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},188,"206719","No es que haya cambiado de opinión.",1312.88,1314.36,{"idx":1189,"utterance_id":1190,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1191,"start_s":1192,"end_s":1193,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},189,"206720","¿Hizo la obra benéfica o no?",1314.38,1317.16,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1195,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1196,"start_s":1197,"end_s":1198,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},"206721","Creo que no la hizo.",1317.56,1318.7,{"idx":1200,"utterance_id":1201,"speaker_name":69,"text":1202,"start_s":1203,"end_s":1204,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},191,"206722","Esa analogía no procede, gobernador.",1318.74,1320.06,{"idx":1206,"utterance_id":1207,"speaker_name":69,"text":1208,"start_s":1209,"end_s":1210,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},192,"206723","Esa analogía no corresponde al caso de un intento de golpe, porque cuando la tentativa de golpe se ejecuta y se lleva a cabo, como ocurrió en 1964, no habrá juicio, porque obviamente el país entra en un nuevo régimen.",1320.48,1339.22,{"idx":1212,"utterance_id":1213,"speaker_name":69,"text":1214,"start_s":1215,"end_s":1216,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},193,"206724","No por eso la ley, que incluso fue sancionada por el propio ex‑presidente, dice que el intento de golpe es... un crimen.",1339.9,1351.54,{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},194,"206725","Correcto.",1351.56,1352.14,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},195,"206726","Ahora, dígame una cosa.",1352.68,1355.04,{"idx":1230,"utterance_id":1231,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1232,"start_s":1233,"end_s":1234,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},196,"206727","Usted puede idealizar algo, quizá eso esté muy lejos de ser un intento.",1355.72,1360.82,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1236,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1237,"start_s":1238,"end_s":1239,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},"206728","No, no idealizo.",1361,1362.06,{"idx":1241,"utterance_id":1242,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1243,"start_s":1244,"end_s":1245,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},198,"206729","Perdón, pero esto no es un debate entre dos.",1362.08,1365.52,{"idx":1247,"utterance_id":1248,"speaker_name":69,"text":1249,"start_s":1250,"end_s":1251,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},199,"206730","Vamos a dejar que siga.",1365.56,1366.54,{"idx":1253,"utterance_id":1254,"speaker_name":69,"text":1255,"start_s":1256,"end_s":1257,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},200,"206731","Puede decir.",1366.88,1367.52,{"idx":1259,"utterance_id":1260,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1261,"start_s":1262,"end_s":1263,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},201,"206732","Entonces, ahí está lo que le dije.",1368.96,1371.68,{"idx":1265,"utterance_id":1266,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1267,"start_s":1268,"end_s":1269,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},202,"206733","Ahora, yo opino que no llegó... ni siquiera a ocurrir; puede que haya habido una idealización total.",1372.14,1381.62,{"idx":1271,"utterance_id":1272,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1273,"start_s":1274,"end_s":1275,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},203,"206734","Ahora, soy demócrata, quiero dejar eso muy claro, defiendo la democracia, fui elegido por voto, confío en nuestro sistema; ahora me parece que hay... es un gran exagero en toda esta cuestión.",1382.08,1398.46,{"idx":1277,"utterance_id":1278,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1279,"start_s":1280,"end_s":1281,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},204,"206735","Como dije, necesitamos repacificar.",1398.98,1401.02,{"idx":1283,"utterance_id":1284,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1285,"start_s":1286,"end_s":1287,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},205,"206736","Parece que hoy tenemos un poder judicial que persigue claramente a quien pertenece al espectro de la derecha.",1401.44,1411.1,{"idx":1289,"utterance_id":1290,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1291,"start_s":1292,"end_s":1293,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},206,"206737","Esto está muy claro si se interpreta con mayor rigor dónde están los presos del Petrolão, del Mensalão: todos en libertad.",1411.48,1420.28,{"idx":1295,"utterance_id":1296,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1297,"start_s":1298,"end_s":1299,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},207,"206738","¿Por qué?",1420.78,1421.08,{"idx":1301,"utterance_id":1302,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1303,"start_s":1304,"end_s":1305,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},208,"206739","Porque son de la izquierda.",1421.14,1422.64,{"idx":1307,"utterance_id":1308,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1309,"start_s":1310,"end_s":1311,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},209,"206740","¿Qué prueba más tangible que un maletín de dinero?",1423.02,1425.88,{"idx":1313,"utterance_id":1314,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1315,"start_s":1316,"end_s":1317,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},210,"206741","¿Qué decir de las declaraciones que se hicieron, de las cuentas que se abrieron?",1426.52,1430.88,{"idx":1319,"utterance_id":1320,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1321,"start_s":1322,"end_s":1323,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},211,"206742","Todos sueltos.",1431.34,1432.48,{"idx":1325,"utterance_id":1326,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1297,"start_s":1327,"end_s":1328,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},212,"206743",1432.78,1433.1,{"idx":1330,"utterance_id":1331,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1303,"start_s":1332,"end_s":1333,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},213,"206744",1433.2,1434.38,{"idx":1335,"utterance_id":1336,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1337,"start_s":1338,"end_s":1339,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},214,"206745","Entonces me parece que hay ahí dos pesos y dos medidas.",1434.68,1438.28,{"idx":1341,"utterance_id":1342,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1343,"start_s":1344,"end_s":1345,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},215,"206746","Si tenemos que detener a alguien aquí, vamos a llevar a todos a la prisión también.",1438.74,1442.28,{"idx":1347,"utterance_id":1348,"speaker_name":69,"text":1349,"start_s":1350,"end_s":1351,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},216,"206747","Con esto, entonces cerramos nuestro primer bloque de Roda Viva, vamos a un breve intervalo y volvemos enseguida con la entrevista del gobernador Romeu Zema.",1443.28,1451.2,{"idx":1353,"utterance_id":1354,"speaker_name":69,"text":1355,"start_s":1356,"end_s":1357,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},217,"206748","Innovación que conecta.",1465.98,1467.46,{"idx":1359,"utterance_id":1360,"speaker_name":69,"text":1361,"start_s":1362,"end_s":1363,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},218,"206749","Bradesco.",1468.38,1469.02,{"idx":1365,"utterance_id":1366,"speaker_name":69,"text":1367,"start_s":1368,"end_s":1369,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},219,"206750","Roda Viva está de vuelta hoy con el gobernador de Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema.",1477.92,1481.82,{"idx":1371,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":69,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},220,"206751","Gobernador, usted ha defendido que Brasil salga de los BRICS, pero ese bloque, en su configuración ampliada, responde por el 36% del PIB mundial, engloba al 45% de la población mundial y representa el 20% del comercio global.",1482.32,1498.56,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":69,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},221,"206752","Con importancia, incluso, para las exportaciones de varios estados, incluido Minas Gerais.",1499,1504.34,{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":69,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},222,"206753","Pregunto: ¿sería estratégico para Brasil renunciar a esa alianza, aún más en un momento en que Estados Unidos presiona a países y a bloques enteros para aceptar términos de negociación bastante desventajosos, impuestos unilateralmente?",1504.88,1519.56,{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":230,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},223,"206754",1521.4,1521.6,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},224,"206755","Tiene poco sentido para Brasil permanecer en los BRICS.",1522.86,1526.72,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},225,"206756","Primero quiero decir lo siguiente: Brasil necesita mantener a todos sus clientes comerciales.",1527.66,1535.18,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},226,"206757","China es un gran cliente, India, Rusia, todos los países de los BRICS; esos son los principales grandes clientes de Brasil.",1535.92,1546.32,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},227,"206758","Brasil tiene un historial de mantener... una postura de neutralidad en términos de relación con países de todas las regiones del mundo, que fue cambiada por este gobierno, que se acercó de manera excesiva a países que sabemos son notoriamente dictatoriales.",1546.96,1571.2,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},228,"206759","Y la mayoría de esos países que están en los BRICS están lejos de ser democracias.",1571.76,1578.04,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},"206760","Ese es uno de los puntos.",1578.6,1579.64,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},230,"206761","¿Alguien que aquí está arrestando a gente por actos antidemocráticos, y fuera anda al lado de dictadores?",1580.1,1588.54,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},231,"206762","¡Uai!",1589.3,1589.5,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},232,"206763","No tengo cara de bobo, no.",1590.7,1592.16,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},233,"206764","¿Será que el brasileño también?",1592.78,1594.56,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},234,"206765","Acusando aquí 'usted es antidemocrático', toma el avión y sólo se reúne con dictadores allá afuera.",1595.5,1602.22,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},235,"206766","Tengamos coherencia.",1602.82,1603.9,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},236,"206767","Ese es el motivo.",1604.28,1605.18,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},237,"206768","Segundo.",1605.8,1606.44,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},238,"206769","¿Hacia dónde los brasileños, y son muchos hoy que quieren irse de Brasil, que están desilusionados con este gobierno, sueñan con ir cuando quieren mudarse al exterior?",1607.02,1618.6,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},239,"206770","No son para países de los BRICS, no.",1619.6,1621.78,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},240,"206771","La gran mayoría quiere ir a América del Norte o a Europa.",1622.44,1626.62,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},241,"206772","Son países que tienen una afinidad cultural y de costumbres mucho mayor y que constituyen el sueño de referencia del brasileño.",1627.42,1636.08,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},242,"206773","Solo para retomar ese hilo, gobernador, disculpe, usted habló de los países autoritarios; ha usado como modelo a El Salvador, que es un país que está en una fuerte deriva autoritaria, incluso con características dictatoriales, en muchas situaciones de persecución a ONGs, a la oposición.",1636.6,1653.64,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},243,"206774","¿Sigue usted siendo un admirador de El Salvador, aun con esas características?",1654.18,1659,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},"206775","Fábio, fui allí a acompañar, a aprender sobre seguridad pública.",1659.18,1665.42,{"idx":1518,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},245,"206776","No hablé de régimen electoral o político de El Salvador.",1666.58,1672.38,{"idx":1524,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},246,"206777","En términos de seguridad pública, es un caso único en el mundo.",1673.02,1678.66,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},247,"206778","No sé si hubo otro país que, en tres años, haya conseguido reducir la tasa de homicidios en más del 99%.",1679.54,1689.46,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},248,"206779","Y como estaba diciendo ahora... Pero hubo un costo en términos de respeto a los derechos humanos, por ejemplo, ¿no?",1690.74,1696.04,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},249,"206780","Fui allí a comunidades, hablé con amas de casa, hablé con comerciantes, hablé con estudiantes, y ellos dijeron:",1697.06,1707.6,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},250,"206781","Mi vida aquí mejoró muchísimo.",1708.44,1710.68,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},251,"206782","Y hay un dato que creo que lo demuestra.",1711.34,1713.9,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1562,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1563,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},252,"206783","300 mil salvadoreños, Fábio.",1717.68,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},253,"206784","que estaban viviendo fuera, volvieron al país.",1718.28,1721.12,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},254,"206785","¿Allá empeoró o mejoró?",1721.7,1724.16,{"idx":1577,"utterance_id":1578,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1579,"start_s":1580,"end_s":1581,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},255,"206786","Aquí en Brasil, me parece que tenemos 5 millones de brasileños viviendo en el exterior y gente saliendo todos los días.",1724.8,1731.66,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},256,"206787","Creo que ese termómetro debe ser considerado.",1732.26,1734.84,{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":69,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},257,"206788","Pero, ¿usted cree que estar en un bloque por una cuestión de estrategia significa respaldar políticamente todo lo que los países del bloque propugnan?",1734.94,1746.32,{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":69,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},258,"206789","Porque si no... pocos bloques sobrevivirían.",1746.38,1750.52,{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":69,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},259,"206790","Usted mismo dijo: 'fui allí a ver sólo la seguridad, no respaldé lo demás'.",1750.8,1754.94,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":69,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},260,"206791","¿No considera usted que los BRICS pueden tener un papel estratégico sin que sea necesario respaldar el régimen de esos países?",1755.14,1761.44,{"idx":1613,"utterance_id":1614,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1615,"start_s":1616,"end_s":1617,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},261,"206792","¿Pero en qué se convirtió el BRICS?",1761.66,1763.96,{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},262,"206793","Se ha transformado en un bloque que me parece existe únicamente o prioritariamente para cuestionar, principalmente... a América del Norte, al dólar, a Europa, etc.",1764.28,1778.58,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},263,"206794","Son países que tienen muy poco que ver con nuestra cultura cristiana, con nuestra cultura europea, a diferencia de Europa y las Américas.",1779.74,1792.48,{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},264,"206795","Eso no significa que no debamos mantener contacto comercial.",1793.26,1797.54,{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},265,"206796","En el pasado fue así: antes de los BRICS, Brasil se llevaba bien con todo el mundo.",1797.6,1802.88,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},266,"206797","Y ahora quedó claramente con un discurso antiestadounidense.",1803.4,1807.12,{"idx":1649,"utterance_id":1650,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1651,"start_s":1652,"end_s":1653,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},267,"206798","Eso está clarísimo en los eventos de los BRICS; eso siempre aparece, principalmente liderado por nuestro presidente.",1807.7,1816.06,{"idx":1655,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},268,"206799","Y de ahí la cuestión arancelaria.",1816.46,1818.32,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":1662,"speaker_name":69,"text":1663,"start_s":1664,"end_s":1665,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},269,"206800","Gobernador, usted dijo que no irá a la COP, que es la Conferencia de las Naciones Unidas, de la ONU, sobre cambio climático.",1818.6,1824.16,{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":69,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},270,"206801","Quisiera que hablara un poco de eso, pero en relación a los bloques, usted ya dijo que saldría de los BRICS si fuera presidente de la República.",1824.2,1830.5,{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":69,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},271,"206802","¿Usted también saldría de otros bloques, como por ejemplo el G20, el Mercosur?",1830.78,1834.2,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},272,"206803","No.",1835.3,1835.54,{"idx":1685,"utterance_id":1686,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1687,"start_s":1688,"end_s":1689,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},273,"206804","Creo que ahí tenemos cuestiones de afinidad.",1836.28,1840.2,{"idx":1691,"utterance_id":1692,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1693,"start_s":1694,"end_s":1695,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},274,"206805","Necesitamos mejorar el Edilene.",1840.92,1843.4,{"idx":1697,"utterance_id":1698,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1699,"start_s":1700,"end_s":1701,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},275,"206806","El Mercosur está prácticamente inoperante.",1843.92,1847.88,{"idx":1703,"utterance_id":1704,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1705,"start_s":1706,"end_s":1707,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},276,"206807","Tenemos socios comerciales importantísimos aquí en el Cono Sur, con quienes podríamos tener una relación comercial mucho mayor, una apertura de fronteras, como Europa avanzó mucho y se hizo poco.",1848.7,1865.46,{"idx":1709,"utterance_id":1710,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1711,"start_s":1712,"end_s":1713,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},277,"206808","Eso tiene sentido.",1865.76,1866.9,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},278,"206809","Sería bueno para Brasil, para Argentina, para Uruguay, para Chile, para diversos países que comulgan con nosotros.",1867.46,1875.58,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},279,"206810","una serie de cuestiones históricas, etc.",1875.98,1879.04,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},280,"206811","Entonces, veo que debemos estar más cerca de aquello que tiene sentido geográfico.",1879.9,1887.22,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},281,"206812","Ahora, vamos a elegir países, queramos o no, que están al otro lado del mundo.",1887.92,1892.62,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},282,"206813","No es imposible enviar carga de allá para acá y recibir, como ya ocurre.",1892.72,1897.18,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},283,"206814","Pero, prioritariamente... deberíamos prestar esa atención aquí.",1897.64,1902.28,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},284,"206815","¿Qué va a responder usted?",1902.34,1902.98,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":69,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},"206816","Diga, Ricardo, espera solo un minutito, Edilene.",1903,1905.28,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},286,"206817","Su partido defiende desde su fundación la idea de una economía más abierta, que la iniciativa privada participe más en la economía.",1905.42,1914.06,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},287,"206818","Esa es una defensa que usted siempre hace.",1914.7,1917.02,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},288,"206819","Sin embargo, cuando miramos a usted y a los demás candidatos a la presidencia de la derecha, Ratinho Júnior logró privatizar la Coppel, hará la subasta de la Celepar ahora en noviembre.",1917.58,1927.7,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},289,"206820","Hizo una asociación público-privada en Sanepar.",1928.28,1930.5,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},290,"206821","Eduardo Leite vendió la Corsã, Tarcísio privatizó la Sabesp, Caiado vendió la Celg Transmissão.",1931.34,1936.92,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},291,"206822","Y usted no logró vender la Semig y la Copasa, que era un deseo suyo.",1936.94,1942.88,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"206823","¿Qué pasó para que usted no lo lograra y por qué sería diferente en la presidencia de la República?",1943.18,1947.98,{"idx":1803,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},293,"206824","Bueno, Ricardo, a diferencia de ellos, yo vengo de fuera de la política.",1948.94,1955.08,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},294,"206825","Y me parece que termino molestando más al establecimiento político que ellos.",1956.12,1962.22,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},295,"206826","Fui elegido en la primera vuelta en 2018 sin que ningún alcalde me apoyara.",1963.08,1968.68,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},296,"206827","En la segunda vuelta ya teníamos alguno.",1969.34,1971.18,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1829,"start_s":1830,"end_s":1831,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},297,"206828","Entonces parece que el hecho de que alguien que no es de la política entre en la política causa un gran malestar.",1971.84,1979.64,{"idx":1833,"utterance_id":1834,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1835,"start_s":1836,"end_s":1837,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},298,"206829","Aún lo percibo, ya ha disminuido con el tiempo.",1980.06,1983.04,{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},299,"206830","Entonces, en mi primera gestión, tuvimos una dificultad con la Asamblea Legislativa, que está superada en esta segunda gestión.",1983.54,1995.34,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},300,"206831","Pero quiero resaltar aquí que nunca hubo, Ricardo, un gobierno en Minas Gerais que vendiera tantas participaciones accionarias como las que vendimos nosotros.",1995.9,2007.56,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},301,"206832","Light, Renova, Belo Monte, Santo Antônio.",2008.26,2013.04,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},302,"206833","Elibras, Companhia Brasileira de Lítio, y puedo enviarte una relación de más de 100 empresas que vendimos, en las que el Estado tenía una participación que no dependía de autorización legislativa.",2013.42,2029.34,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1863,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1864,"start_s":1865,"end_s":1866,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},"206834","Y quien siguió mi primera gestión sabe que nosotros, inclusive, enfrentamos CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) totalmente descabadas, CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) de la CEMIG.",2030.04,2039.48,{"idx":1868,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},304,"206835","buscar pelo en la sopa.",2040.52,2042.9,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":69,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},305,"206836","Pero para el segundo mandato, usted consiguió una alianza para su reelección, hoy tiene una situación más cómoda en la Asamblea y aun así esas privatizaciones no avanzaron.",2043,2053.62,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":69,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},306,"206837","Lo de ser ajeno a la política también creo que ya no sirve como excusa, dado que usted incluso pretende postularse a la presidencia.",2053.66,2061.88,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":69,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},307,"206838","¿Qué fue lo que faltó, gobernador?",2063.28,2064.8,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":354,"indexable":74},308,"206839","Entonces, Vera, creo que allí en Minas tenemos, por parte de la clase política, un apego, creo que de buena parte de ellos —no voy a decir de todos, toda generalización es muy peligrosa— pero por parte de muchos, a esas empresas que siempre sirvieron para atender intereses electorales.",2064.92,2088.28,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},309,"206840","Quiero darte aquí un ejemplo.",2089.28,2091,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},310,"206841","Hablé aquí de la energía fotovoltaica, que en nuestro gobierno pasó de 500 mega a 13 giga.",2091.82,2098.02,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},311,"206842","El principal motivo por el que logramos atraer esa cantidad de dinero, 80 mil millones, solo en energía solar, fue muy simple.",2098.74,2109.16,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},312,"206843","Antes, nuestra empresa de energía, la CEMIG, solo daba autorización a quien era amigo del rey.",2109.62,2118.14,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},313,"206844","Y ese amigo del rey, en lugar de hacer la inversión, salía negociando esa autorización en el mercado.",2119.2,2127.84,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},314,"206845","Vendía la autorización por 5 millones, no invertía y se embolsaba esa cantidad.",2128.24,2134.46,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},315,"206846","Cuando asumí, lo primero que le pedí al nuevo CEO de Semig fue: yo quiero... En Internet, el mapa de Minas con todos los lugares donde es posible hacer conexión para poder construir una planta fotovoltaica.",2134.98,2152.92,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},316,"206847","Y vinieron las inversiones.",2153.04,2154.9,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},317,"206848","Y entonces ya no hacía falta que algún político interviniera y se aprovechara.",2155.4,2161.1,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},318,"206849","Ahora estoy muy confiado con el Propag, muy probablemente.",2161.54,2165.88,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},319,"206850","Nosotros estaremos avanzando en esas privatizaciones.",2166.32,2170.06,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},320,"206851","Así que, lo que no se hizo, muy probablemente todavía se hará.",2170.14,2174.64,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":69,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},321,"206852","Sibeli, después Berta.",2174.88,2176.14,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":69,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},322,"206853","Gobernador, usted afirmó recientemente que, en caso de que el gobierno federal no tenga interés en federalizar a la CEMIG, usted puede llevar a la CEMIG a subasta para pagar una parte de la deuda, abatir un tramo de la deuda para que quepa dentro del Propag.",2177.12,2194.96,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":69,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},323,"206854","Y entonces quería saber, ¿usted ya está contando con la posibilidad de que la Asamblea no apruebe la legislación que sería necesaria para transformar a la CEMIG en una corporation e ir directamente a la subasta?",2195.72,2207.96,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},324,"206855","Sibeli, la CEMIG, sea cual sea el camino, ya sea la federalización o la subasta, necesita previamente ser transformada en una corporation.",2209.76,2222.96,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},325,"206856","Porque si no, cualquiera que venga a adquirir las acciones que tiene el Estado podría ser penalizado por el mecanismo de tag alone.",2223.78,2234.5,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},326,"206857","Entonces, la corporation es un paso que se dará antes que cualquier otro.",2235.26,2241.6,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},327,"206858","No puede ser de otra manera.",2242.14,2243.72,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},328,"206859","Y dado ese paso... No significa que se vaya a federalizar o a vender.",2244.34,2249.02,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},329,"206860","El Estado puede seguir teniendo el 17% de la empresa, recibiendo los dividendos de una empresa que estará mucho mejor gestionada, porque la gobernanza cambia.",2249.48,2262.74,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},330,"206861","Ya no necesita someterse a la ley de licitaciones, que es una cadena.",2263.22,2269.16,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},331,"206862","en manos del gestor.",2269.54,2270.68,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},332,"206863","Lo que las competidoras de la CEMIG compran hoy, deciden comprar hoy, la CEMIG tarda como mínimo 90 días para poder comprar, debido a todo el proceso burocrático que se exige.",2271.14,2283.98,{"idx":2042,"utterance_id":2043,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2044,"start_s":2045,"end_s":2046,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},333,"206864","Entonces, las cosas irán en ese sentido.",2284.56,2288.34,{"idx":2048,"utterance_id":2049,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2050,"start_s":2051,"end_s":2052,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},334,"206865","Si se transforma en una corporation, sin que el Estado venda nada, la población de Minas ya sale ganando mucho, de verdad.",2289,2296.04,{"idx":2054,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},335,"206866","Porque pasará a tener, además, Sibeli, una empresa viable.",2296.28,2299.98,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},336,"206867","No sé si has seguido, existe una ley que dice que las empresas de energía estatales... que no sean privatizadas o transformadas en una corporation en los próximos cinco años, perderán sus concesiones.",2300.58,2320.14,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},337,"206868","Yo, de hecho, ya le pedí a mi comunicación, quiero ir a la Asamblea, quiero dar un testimonio de que, si no avanzamos en ese cambio, dentro de diez años la Semig valdrá algo cercano a cero.",2321.14,2336.02,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":69,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},338,"206869","Diga, Berta.",2336.38,2337.08,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":69,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},339,"206870","Quería, gobernador, hablar sobre seguridad pública.",2337.82,2340.92,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":69,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},340,"206871","Los datos son del Foro Brasileño de Seguridad Pública.",2342.36,2345.58,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":69,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},341,"206872","Entre 2020 y 2024, los homicidios dolosos en Minas crecieron un 18% en... tendencia contraria a lo que pasó en Brasil, en su conjunto, donde hubo una reducción del 16,5% de los homicidios dolosos.",2345.76,2364.84,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":69,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},342,"206873","Al mismo tiempo, en Minas también tuvimos, entre 2023 y 2024, un aumento de la letalidad policial del 46%.",2365.24,2374.24,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":69,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},343,"206874","Y los crímenes contra el patrimonio.",2377.06,2379.14,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":69,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},344,"206875","Que en Brasil cayeron entre 2023 y 2024 un 15%, en Minas cayeron apenas un 6%.",2379.7,2388.26,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":69,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":372,"indexable":74},345,"206876","Y hay una crítica, gobernador, que la Comisión de Seguridad Pública hace a usted en la Asamblea Legislativa en relación con el efectivo de la Policía Militar, de la Policía Civil, del Cuerpo de Bomberos, porque durante su... su gestión de 2019 a 2024, ese efectivo cayó de 62.904 a, actualmente, 59.681.",2390.42,2417.02,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":69,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},346,"206877","Al mismo tiempo, las inversiones del Estado, en ese período, en materia de seguridad pública, siempre son mucho menores que el conjunto de enmiendas parlamentarias, transferencias, inversiones de la Unión y otras fuentes.",2420.62,2436.52,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":69,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},347,"206878","Entonces, hay una crítica; me gustaría que usted, ¿cómo respondería a sus críticos que dicen que Minas Gerais no tiene una política de seguridad pública?",2437.12,2447.28,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},348,"206879","Bueno, Berta, creo que tenemos que considerar una serie de cuestiones en todo eso que usted dijo, que son una serie de números, de estadísticas.",2448.62,2460.74,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},349,"206880","Como gestor del Estado, gobernador, me gusta mirar los números a largo plazo y la tendencia.",2462.34,2471.58,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},350,"206881","Si alguien, hace siete años, cuando fui elegido, pesaba 300 kilos y hoy pesa 100 kilos, creo que esa persona consiguió una evolución considerable.",2472.74,2488.04,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},351,"206882","Si en ese recorrido, en determinada semana, ganó medio kilo o un kilo, creo que eso no le quita mérito al avance que logró.",2488.84,2500.58,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},352,"206883","Entonces, usted siempre ha escogido períodos en los que hubo un repunte.",2501.42,2505.88,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},353,"206884","Eso es normal en toda estadística de quien está adelgazando, en seguridad pública.",2506.12,2512.76,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":69,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},354,"206885","No, pero aquí 2020, 2024, homicidios dolosos, ¿no es así?",2512.86,2517.3,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":69,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},355,"206886","Es un período...",2517.64,2518.34,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},356,"206887","Sí, pero tomemos 2018 y 2024 entonces, que fue cuando asumí, ¿está de acuerdo?",2518.94,2526.64,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":69,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},357,"206888","¿Y cuánto fue?",2526.66,2527.28,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":69,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},358,"206889","No tengo el dato.",2528.82,2529.76,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":69,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},359,"206890","Usted asumió en 2019.",2529.78,2531.26,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":69,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},360,"206891","Sí, enero, 1 de enero de 2019.",2531.38,2533.54,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":69,"text":644,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},361,"206892",2534.38,2535.04,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":69,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},362,"206893","Y usted está tomando un dato específico.",2535.24,2538.82,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":69,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},363,"206894","No, no me estoy refiriendo solo a eso; es porque el Foro Brasileño de Seguridad Pública tiene como último dato 2024.",2538.86,2544.32,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},364,"206895","Entonces te estoy dando el dato de un período más reciente.",2546.22,2549.58,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},365,"206896","¿Cuántos tipos de delito tenemos?",2550.2,2552.64,{"idx":2239,"utterance_id":2240,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2241,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2242,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},366,"206897","¿200 tipos?",2555.78,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},367,"206898","¿Está tomando solamente esos dos o aquel que tuvo...?",2555.8,2559.94,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":69,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},368,"206899","No, le estoy diciendo que incluso los delitos contra el patrimonio se redujeron en Minas un 6%, pero en Brasil se redujeron un 15%.",2559.96,2569.54,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":69,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},369,"206900","Entonces hay una crítica hacia usted en la Comisión de Seguridad Pública porque el efectivo policial... en su período cayó, así que su período de gobierno cayó de 62.904 a 59.681.",2569.66,2584.78,{"idx":364,"utterance_id":2262,"speaker_name":69,"text":2263,"start_s":2264,"end_s":2265,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},"206901","Entonces hay menos policías militares, menos policías civiles y menos efectivos en el cuerpo de bomberos.",2586.32,2594.66,{"idx":2267,"utterance_id":2268,"speaker_name":69,"text":2269,"start_s":2270,"end_s":2271,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},371,"206902","Y la falta de inversión, incluso, en algunos casos, usted sabe... Bien, ya escuchamos la pregunta, gobernador, ¿cómo responde a eso?",2595.08,2603.36,{"idx":2273,"utterance_id":2274,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2275,"start_s":2276,"end_s":2277,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},372,"206903","Entonces, déjeme terminar de responder aquí.",2603.38,2605.58,{"idx":2279,"utterance_id":2280,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2281,"start_s":2282,"end_s":2283,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},373,"206904","Teníamos, en todas las áreas de fuerzas de seguridad, personas altamente calificadas, militares, formados en la academia, haciendo tareas extremadamente simples que un joven que sabe manejar bien la tecnología puede hacer.",2606.42,2626.58,{"idx":2285,"utterance_id":2286,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2287,"start_s":2288,"end_s":2289,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},374,"206905","Hoy tenemos cientos, quizá miles, de esos jóvenes trabajando en el área de seguridad y ellos liberaron a esos militares para poder hacer ese trabajo para el que realmente fueron entrenados.",2627.12,2643.54,{"idx":2291,"utterance_id":2292,"speaker_name":69,"text":2293,"start_s":2294,"end_s":2295,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},375,"206906","Pero si hubo una reducción, gobernador, de efectivos?",2643.82,2646.34,{"idx":2297,"utterance_id":2298,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2299,"start_s":2300,"end_s":2301,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},376,"206907","Entonces, lo que ellos están diciendo es lo siguiente: que disminuyó el efectivo de militares, pero el número de personas que trabajan en las fuerzas de seguridad no tuvo esa reducción.",2646.96,2657.96,{"idx":2303,"utterance_id":2304,"speaker_name":69,"text":2305,"start_s":2306,"end_s":2307,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},377,"206908","Aquí se trata del efectivo de la Policía Militar, la Policía Civil y el Cuerpo de Bomberos, y los datos son de la Comisión de Seguridad Pública de la Asamblea.",2658.26,2666.08,{"idx":2309,"utterance_id":2310,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2311,"start_s":2312,"end_s":2313,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},378,"206909","Usted se está refiriendo a los militares.",2666.22,2668.36,{"idx":2315,"utterance_id":2316,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2317,"start_s":2318,"end_s":2319,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},379,"206910","Ahora está esa parte administrativa que fue suplida con civiles.",2669.18,2673.8,{"idx":2321,"utterance_id":2322,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2323,"start_s":2324,"end_s":2325,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},380,"206911","Y además de eso, Berta, hemos hecho un uso cada vez mayor de la inteligencia.",2675.4,2680.56,{"idx":2327,"utterance_id":2328,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2329,"start_s":2330,"end_s":2331,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},381,"206912","Detuvimos allí esta semana, ayer o anteayer, mediante reconocimiento facial, que es la herramienta que detecta a un asesino allí, peligrosísimo, buscado hace dos, tres años por nuestra policía.",2681.18,2696.08,{"idx":2333,"utterance_id":2334,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2335,"start_s":2336,"end_s":2337,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},382,"206913","Eso tampoco existía.",2696.48,2697.7,{"idx":2339,"utterance_id":2340,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2341,"start_s":2342,"end_s":2343,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},383,"206914","La flota de la policía nunca tuvo vehículos tan nuevos como los que tiene ahora.",2698.26,2703.92,{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":69,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},384,"206915","Pero la denuncia es que no hay gasolina, gobernador, para poner en los vehículos.",2703.94,2708.46,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":69,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},385,"206916","En la Asamblea dicen, no hay gasolina, las denuncias, no hay gasolina.",2709.2,2713.04,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},386,"206917","Roberta, si comparamos los números de la gestión del PT con los nuestros, quiero darte uno aquí, ya que estás siendo quirúrgica.",2713.06,2720.66,{"idx":2363,"utterance_id":2364,"speaker_name":69,"text":2365,"start_s":2366,"end_s":2367,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},387,"206918","Pero es usted quien está gobernando ahora, es importante, queremos que la seguridad pública mejore.",2720.68,2727.62,{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":69,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},388,"206919","¿Queremos?",2728.06,2728.7,{"idx":2375,"utterance_id":2376,"speaker_name":69,"text":2377,"start_s":2378,"end_s":2379,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},389,"206920","Estamos mejorando.",2728.86,2730.2,{"idx":2381,"utterance_id":2382,"speaker_name":69,"text":2383,"start_s":2384,"end_s":2385,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},390,"206921","Lo importante es eso.",2730.32,2731.52,{"idx":2387,"utterance_id":2388,"speaker_name":69,"text":2377,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},391,"206922",2731.66,2733.08,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":69,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},392,"206923","En dos mil y... ¿diga?",2734.34,2737.26,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":69,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},393,"206924","Quisiera cambiar un poco de tema, si usted me permite.",2737.28,2740.34,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":69,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},394,"206925","La semana que viene comienza el juicio del ex-presidente Bolsonaro por el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",2740.64,2747.56,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":69,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},395,"206926","Usted ya dijo aquí que el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) persigue a la derecha y, digamos, perdona a la izquierda.",2747.66,2752.76,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":69,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":354,"indexable":74},396,"206927","¿El ex-presidente Bolsonaro tendrá un juicio justo o es esto un juicio con cartas marcadas y, si es condenado —como espera la mayoría de las personas—, seguirá siendo el principal líder de la derecha en Brasil o esa ascendencia suya sobre la derecha sufrirá una cierta, digamos, desvalorización?",2757.46,2778.18,{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":69,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},397,"206928","Fábio... Todo indica que este tipo de juicio tendencioso va a continuar.",2780.12,2787.92,{"idx":2428,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":69,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},398,"206929","Con toda seguridad, difícilmente eso va a cambiar en esta última semana.",2788.58,2794.58,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},399,"206930","Hasta ahora fue así, con seguridad no va a ser en estos últimos días cuando vaya a haber cambio.",2795.64,2801.32,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":69,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},400,"206931","¿Cartas marcadas, entonces, señor?",2801.54,2802.84,{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":69,"text":230,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},401,"206932",2802.94,2803.08,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":69,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},402,"206933","Y él realmente es el mayor líder de la derecha.",2803.1,2808.24,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":69,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},403,"206934","¿Incluso preso seguirá así, usted cree?",2808.64,2810.42,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":69,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},404,"206935","Con toda seguridad, sí.",2810.58,2812.16,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":69,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},405,"206936","Él es la persona que rescató a la derecha en Brasil, logró hacer crecer ese movimiento y seguirá siendo líder, sí.",2812.48,2821.82,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":69,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},406,"206937","Interrumpí su respuesta antes de que usted respondiera a Edilene sobre la COP, la razón por la que usted no va a la COP.",2822.08,2829.22,{"idx":2481,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":230,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},407,"206938",2829.6,2829.76,{"idx":2486,"utterance_id":2487,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2488,"start_s":2489,"end_s":2490,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},408,"206939","Bueno, todavía no está 100% decidido, pero yo... que soy un gobernador que predica austeridad, lo último que quisiera es estar pagando una diaria de 20, 30 mil reais.",2831.16,2846.86,{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2494,"start_s":2495,"end_s":2496,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},409,"206940","Entonces, si ese es el monto, muy probablemente Minas estará representada, Edilene, pero yo no iré.",2847.7,2856.96,{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},410,"206941","La COP es importante, dará visibilidad a Brasil.",2857.5,2862.92,{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2506,"start_s":2507,"end_s":2508,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},411,"206942","En las otras en las que ya participé, pagué el hotel con normalidad.",2864,2869.12,{"idx":2510,"utterance_id":2511,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2512,"start_s":2513,"end_s":2514,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},412,"206943","Ahora...",2869.62,2870.1,{"idx":2516,"utterance_id":2517,"speaker_name":69,"text":2518,"start_s":2519,"end_s":2520,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},413,"206944","Señor, ¿habló usted con Helder Barbalho?",2870.3,2871.76,{"idx":2522,"utterance_id":2523,"speaker_name":69,"text":2524,"start_s":2525,"end_s":2526,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},414,"206945","Señor, ¿estuvo con él hoy, verdad?",2871.78,2873.02,{"idx":2528,"utterance_id":2529,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2530,"start_s":2531,"end_s":2532,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},415,"206946","Estuve con él, sí.",2873.6,2874.58,{"idx":2534,"utterance_id":2535,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2536,"start_s":2537,"end_s":2538,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},416,"206947","Él está intentando organizarlo y espero que lo consiga.",2874.64,2877.4,{"idx":2540,"utterance_id":2541,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2542,"start_s":2543,"end_s":2544,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},417,"206948","¿Hay un cuartito allí para usted en el Palacio de Belém?",2877.52,2880.12,{"idx":2546,"utterance_id":2547,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2548,"start_s":2549,"end_s":2550,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},418,"206949","¿No hay un anexo allí, una suite que usted pueda usar?",2881.58,2885,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},419,"206950","Entonces, yo no lo conozco allí.",2885.68,2887.4,{"idx":2558,"utterance_id":2559,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2560,"start_s":2561,"end_s":2562,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},420,"206951","Y no me gustaría tener que depender de gobiernos.",2889.22,2893.06,{"idx":2564,"utterance_id":2565,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2566,"start_s":2567,"end_s":2568,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},421,"206952","En todas a las que fui, corrió por cuenta del Estado de Minas, por una cuestión de exención.",2893.2,2897.88,{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},422,"206953","Gobernador, aprovechando el tema, porque él habló del Palacio de Helder, usted en Minas no vive en el Palacio, optó por vivir en una casa cuyo alquiler usted paga, allá en la región de Pampulha.",2898.1,2908.74,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},423,"206954","Si usted fuera presidente de la República, ¿tiene la intención de repetir eso allá en Brasilia, no vivir en el Palacio da Alvorada, no vivir en un edificio público?",2909.24,2917.26,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},424,"206955","Ricardo, no conozco la estructura allí.",2917.34,2919.74,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},425,"206956","El Palácio das Mangabeiras, en Minas Gerais, tenía varios inconvenientes.",2920.18,2925.6,{"idx":2594,"utterance_id":2595,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2596,"start_s":2597,"end_s":2598,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},426,"206957","Extremadamente alejado de la ciudad administrativa.",2925.78,2929.34,{"idx":2600,"utterance_id":2601,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2602,"start_s":2603,"end_s":2604,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},427,"206958","Y el exgobernador Pimentel solo iba y volvía en helicóptero.",2930.42,2935.04,{"idx":2606,"utterance_id":2607,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2608,"start_s":2609,"end_s":2610,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},428,"206959","Millones por año.",2937.02,2938.16,{"idx":2612,"utterance_id":2613,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2614,"start_s":2610,"end_s":2615,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},429,"206960","32 empleadas, camareros, gobernantas, pagados por el gobierno del Estado.",2944.24,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},430,"206961","Un club que allí funcionaba como un club, era almuerzo, banquetes directos para los amigos del rey.",2945.04,2951.96,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},431,"206962","Y yo tengo una vida austera, no es porque soy gobernador que cambié nada y opté por eso.",2952.46,2960.98,{"idx":2629,"utterance_id":2630,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2631,"start_s":2632,"end_s":2633,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},432,"206963","Y dependiendo de lo que haya allí en Brasilia en cuanto a equipamiento público, estoy dispuesto e incluso me sentiría mucho más cómodo viviendo en un lugar más pequeño.",2961.38,2971.2,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":2636,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2637,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2639,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},433,"206964","Siempre que no quedara vulnerable en términos de seguridad o alejado del lugar de trabajo.",2971.76,2979.62,{"idx":2641,"utterance_id":2642,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2643,"start_s":2644,"end_s":2645,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},434,"206965","Pero si hay alguna estructura allí... Ahora, una cosa, Ricardo, te aseguro que yo... Esto ya te aseguro que lo haré.",2980.08,2987.02,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},435,"206966","Todo lo que la presidencia gaste este mes, el mes que viene usted podrá ver qué es. No habrá ese asunto del secreto de 100 años para poder mostrar lo que se gasta.",2987.78,3000.44,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},436,"206967","Entonces, eso creo que es respetar el dinero del contribuyente, lo que este gobierno hoy no hace de ninguna manera.",3000.92,3009.28,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":69,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},437,"206968","Con eso, entonces, vamos a una pausa rápida y volvemos enseguida con Roda Viva con el gobernador Romeu Zema.",3010.02,3016.24,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":69,"text":1355,"start_s":2667,"end_s":2668,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},438,"206969",3031.36,3032.84,{"idx":2670,"utterance_id":2671,"speaker_name":69,"text":1361,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},439,"206970",3033.76,3034.38,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":69,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},440,"206971","Estamos de vuelta con Roda Viva, que hoy recibe al gobernador de Minas, Romeu Zema.",3045.7,3050.32,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":69,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},441,"206972","Gobernador, en el segundo bloque, si no me equivoco, usted habló acerca de esa cuestión de la proximidad de Brasil con los BRICS o con Estados Unidos y prácticamente culpó a cierto discurso antiestadounidense de Brasil por la política arancelaria impuesta por Donald Trump.",3050.96,3066.96,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":69,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},442,"206973","Cité la encuesta Quest al inicio del programa que muestra que ese discurso no cuaja.",3067.02,3072.32,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":69,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},443,"206974","Para la mayoría de los entrevistados, la responsabilidad por el hecho de que Brasil está siendo sancionado.",3072.6,3077.84,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":69,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},444,"206975","sin haber realizado ninguna práctica anticomercial con Estados Unidos, es de la familia Bolsonaro.",3078.42,3083.86,{"idx":2705,"utterance_id":2706,"speaker_name":69,"text":2707,"start_s":2708,"end_s":2709,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},445,"206976","¿No cree usted que es un tiro en el pie insistir en invertir la lógica de que Brasil, en realidad, no es víctima sino culpable de ser sancionado?",3084.26,3094.8,{"idx":2711,"utterance_id":2712,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2713,"start_s":2714,"end_s":2715,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},446,"206977","Sigo con la misma opinión y el tiempo es señor de la verdad.",3096.44,3102.82,{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},447,"206978","Dentro de poco pasará el tiempo.",3104.08,3106.84,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":320,"indexable":74},448,"206979","Y quedará muy claro que es esa posición del presidente Lula, nitidamente antiestadounidense, igualita a la de Venezuela; dentro de poco tendrá exactamente el mismo discurso de Nicolás Maduro, de Hugo Chávez, y eso es lo que está llevando a Brasil a recibir esas sanciones.",3107.6,3130.56,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":69,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},449,"206980","¿Usted considera correcta, entonces, la política arancelaria de Donald Trump?",3130.58,3133.82,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},450,"206981","No, de ninguna manera.",3134.32,3135.58,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},451,"206982","Y un error... Vera, no justifica al otro.",3135.78,3139.4,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},452,"206983","Si Lula criticó y criticó y cuestionó el dólar y no sé qué de Estados Unidos, en mi opinión, debería haber sido llamado por el presidente.",3140.46,3152.1,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2755,"start_s":2756,"end_s":2757,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},453,"206984","Yo vengo del comercio minorista.",3152.26,3154.1,{"idx":2759,"utterance_id":2760,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2761,"start_s":2762,"end_s":2763,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},454,"206985","Siempre, lo que más hice en la vida fue negociar con bancos, con proveedores, con clientes.",3154.76,3162.46,{"idx":2765,"utterance_id":2766,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2767,"start_s":2768,"end_s":2769,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},455,"206986","Sé cuánto es importante el diálogo y cuánto perjudican las intrigas, las acusaciones, las ofensas.",3163.78,3172.6,{"idx":2771,"utterance_id":2772,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2773,"start_s":2774,"end_s":2775,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},456,"206987","El juego debe estar sobre la mesa.",3172.98,3174.42,{"idx":2777,"utterance_id":2778,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2779,"start_s":2780,"end_s":2781,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},457,"206988","Si Lula no está satisfecho con el dólar, que fuera a hablar con Trump.",3174.92,3178.78,{"idx":2783,"utterance_id":2784,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2785,"start_s":2786,"end_s":2787,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},458,"206989","Un problema comercial se trata cara a cara, no mandando recaditos, hablando.",3179.76,3188.02,{"idx":2789,"utterance_id":2790,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2791,"start_s":2792,"end_s":2793,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},459,"206990","No, para la prensa no.",3188.52,3189.54,{"idx":2795,"utterance_id":2796,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2797,"start_s":2798,"end_s":2799,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},460,"206991","Entonces, estuvo muy mal.",3189.94,3191.3,{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},461,"206992","Nunca fue esa la postura de Brasil en términos de relaciones internacionales.",3191.78,3197.58,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},462,"206993","El Itamaraty siempre tuvo un historial que es aplaudido en todo el mundo y él, desafortunadamente, fue por el camino de Venezuela.",3198,3207.24,{"idx":2813,"utterance_id":2814,"speaker_name":69,"text":2815,"start_s":2816,"end_s":2817,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},463,"206994","Gobernador, usted dijo que las candidaturas de la derecha a la presidencia de la República se pulverizarán y que usted no debería ir con Bolsonaro ni con el PL en la primera vuelta.",3208.88,3216.36,{"idx":2819,"utterance_id":2820,"speaker_name":69,"text":2821,"start_s":2822,"end_s":2823,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},464,"206995","¿Eso no complica a su candidato?",3216.68,3218.44,{"idx":2825,"utterance_id":2826,"speaker_name":69,"text":2827,"start_s":2828,"end_s":2829,"word_count":384,"indexable":74},465,"206996","En Minas Gerais, que hoy está en el Partido Novo, es el vicegobernador Matheus Simões, que para ir con la derecha unida necesita reunir en ese grupo a usted, a Nicolas Ferreira, que es un potencial candidato al gobierno del Estado, y también a Cleitinho, que es de los Republicanos, el senador, que es otro precandidato.",3218.48,3233.16,{"idx":2831,"utterance_id":2832,"speaker_name":69,"text":2833,"start_s":2834,"end_s":2835,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},466,"206997","Si Matheus Simões se enfrentara a esos dos, a uno de esos dos, muy posiblemente perdería las elecciones.",3233.62,3238.3,{"idx":2837,"utterance_id":2838,"speaker_name":69,"text":2839,"start_s":2840,"end_s":2841,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},467,"206998","¿Cómo va usted a hacer si no será posible replicar una alianza del Senado Nacional al Regional porque ésta no existe?",3238.66,3243.3,{"idx":2843,"utterance_id":2844,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2845,"start_s":2846,"end_s":2847,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},468,"206999","Edilene, con toda seguridad esa cuestión se verá en el transcurso de la precampaña hasta la fecha límite.",3244.44,3253.88,{"idx":2849,"utterance_id":2850,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2851,"start_s":2852,"end_s":2853,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},469,"207000","El vicegobernador Matheus Simões tiene total conocimiento de ello y tendrá que hacer alguna alianza, tendrá que conducir esa cuestión.",3255.26,3267.14,{"idx":2855,"utterance_id":2856,"speaker_name":69,"text":2857,"start_s":2858,"end_s":2859,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},470,"207001","¿Cree usted que él tiene posibilidades contra Clitinho, contra Nicolas?",3267.4,3269.9,{"idx":2861,"utterance_id":2862,"speaker_name":69,"text":2863,"start_s":2864,"end_s":2865,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},471,"207002","¿O cree que lo ideal es ir unidos?",3270.08,3272.26,{"idx":2867,"utterance_id":2868,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2869,"start_s":2870,"end_s":2871,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},472,"207003","Lo ideal es que usted tenga el apoyo de partidos más grandes.",3273.14,3278.78,{"idx":2873,"utterance_id":2874,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2875,"start_s":2876,"end_s":2877,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},473,"207004","Reconozco que el Partido Novo es un partido pequeño.",3278.94,3282.2,{"idx":2879,"utterance_id":2880,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2881,"start_s":2882,"end_s":2883,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},474,"207005","Tiene posibilidades de ganar la elección, pero con una dificultad mucho mayor.",3282.72,3287.74,{"idx":2885,"utterance_id":2886,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2887,"start_s":2888,"end_s":2889,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},475,"207006","Ahora, toda esa composición dependerá de los partidos.",3288.3,3292.52,{"idx":2891,"utterance_id":2892,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2893,"start_s":2894,"end_s":2895,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},476,"207007","Con toda seguridad... Sí existe esa posibilidad, tratándose de una elección para gobernador.",3293.12,3299.96,{"idx":2897,"utterance_id":2898,"speaker_name":69,"text":2899,"start_s":2900,"end_s":2901,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},477,"207008","¿Él se va al PSD, Gilberto Kassab?",3300.04,3302.16,{"idx":2903,"utterance_id":2904,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2905,"start_s":2906,"end_s":2907,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},478,"207009","Existe esa posibilidad, que depende de él, del Partido Novo, del PSD.",3302.68,3310.5,{"idx":2909,"utterance_id":2910,"speaker_name":69,"text":2911,"start_s":2912,"end_s":2913,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},479,"207010","Pero ¿usted cree que eso combina con que Pacheco se postule al gobierno de Minas por el PSD, o entonces Pacheco sale del partido?",3310.72,3315.68,{"idx":2915,"utterance_id":2916,"speaker_name":69,"text":2917,"start_s":2918,"end_s":2919,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},480,"207011","Entonces, ahí tenemos que preguntarles a ellos, ¿no, Dilê?",3316.1,3319.04,{"idx":2921,"utterance_id":2922,"speaker_name":69,"text":2923,"start_s":2924,"end_s":2925,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},481,"207012","¿Caben Matheus Simões y Rodrigo Pacheco en la misma lista?",3319.06,3322.12,{"idx":2927,"utterance_id":2928,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2929,"start_s":2930,"end_s":2931,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},482,"207013","Lo encuentro difícil.",3322.7,3323.7,{"idx":2933,"utterance_id":2934,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2929,"start_s":2935,"end_s":2936,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},483,"207014",3324.48,3325.44,{"idx":2938,"utterance_id":2939,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2940,"start_s":2941,"end_s":2942,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},484,"207015","Entonces, tendrían que existir algunas condiciones, algunos condicionantes que tendrían que ser cumplidos, tanto por parte de Matheus como por parte del partido.",3325.78,3337.94,{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2946,"start_s":2947,"end_s":2948,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},485,"207016","En la entrevista en Flow Podcast, el pasado día 14, usted dijo que lo peor del Estado es esa tal de licitación.",3339.14,3345.1,{"idx":2950,"utterance_id":2951,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2952,"start_s":2953,"end_s":2954,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},486,"207017","Dice que cuando usted reforma su casa o administra su negocio, puede contratar a quien desee y en el gobierno, si se elige una empresa confiable y conocida, dirán que usted está direccionando.",3345.44,3354.3,{"idx":2956,"utterance_id":2957,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2958,"start_s":2959,"end_s":2960,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},487,"207018","Quisiera entender qué flexibilización propone usted en el caso de la ley de licitaciones.",3354.38,3359.04,{"idx":2962,"utterance_id":2963,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2964,"start_s":2965,"end_s":2966,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},488,"207019","¿Tiene alguna solución para este problema que usted planteó?",3359.08,3361.58,{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},489,"207020","Ricardo... Todos nosotros aquí tomamos decisiones de compra todos los días.",3362.66,3369.12,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},490,"207021","Y como estamos gastando nuestro propio dinero, es muy fácil.",3370.16,3374,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},491,"207022","Quiere comprar una prenda, creo que usted no escogerá la prenda más barata.",3374.9,3379.52,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},492,"207023","Porque sabe que la lavará y se va a deshacer, o va a desteñir, o presentará algún problema muy pronto.",3379.54,3387.62,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},493,"207024","Usted comprará algo que tenga más calidad.",3387.64,3390.86,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},494,"207025","Y muchas veces, a la hora en que el Estado adquiere determinados productos, el único razonamiento que prevalece es el precio.",3391.76,3400.3,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},495,"207026","Por lo tanto, necesitamos perfeccionar algo en ese sentido.",3401.38,3406.36,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},496,"207027","Pero la mejor mejora, Ricardo, es la que estamos haciendo con los hospitales regionales, que vamos a inaugurar cinco hasta el final de mi gestión, todos en el interior del Estado.",3406.4,3419.58,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},497,"207028","Y serán gestionados por OS, organizaciones sociales, que recibirán el recurso del Estado, pero no tendrán que someterse a ese procedimiento burocrático, lento, que asfixia a CEMIG, que asfixia a CEMIG, pero no asfixia al sector privado.",3419.6,3445.94,{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},498,"207029","Cuando un tomógrafo se estropea en la SEMIG, en la red FEMIG, quizá dentro de 90 días vuelva a funcionar.",3446.68,3455.42,{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},499,"207030","Cuando un tomógrafo se estropea en la red privada... en pocas horas vuelve a funcionar.",3456.06,3462.26,{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},500,"207031","Porque usted lo compra, no necesita salir a licitar.",3462.62,3466.08,{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":69,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},501,"207032","Aquí en São Paulo hay el sistema de OS en el estado y en la alcaldía y muchas veces es un sistema muy sujeto a desvío de recursos, entidades fantasma, entidades vinculadas a políticos.",3466.2,3477.36,{"idx":3046,"utterance_id":3047,"speaker_name":69,"text":3048,"start_s":3049,"end_s":3050,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},502,"207033","No es algo que cambie tanto del agua al vino, ¿no, gobernador?",3477.88,3482.6,{"idx":3052,"utterance_id":3053,"speaker_name":69,"text":644,"start_s":3054,"end_s":3055,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},503,"207034",3482.62,3483.5,{"idx":3057,"utterance_id":3058,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3059,"start_s":3060,"end_s":3061,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},504,"207035","Y la licitación, usted lo sabe muy bien, también está sujeta.",3483.54,3487.22,{"idx":3063,"utterance_id":3064,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3065,"start_s":3066,"end_s":3067,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},505,"207036","Hace usted una licitación con determinadas exigencias, de modo que queda totalmente dirigida solo a determinada empresa.",3487.7,3498.24,{"idx":3069,"utterance_id":3070,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3071,"start_s":3072,"end_s":3073,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},506,"207037","Esto es algo que realmente necesita, tal vez es mucho más de seguimiento, una lupa constante.",3499,3507.02,{"idx":3075,"utterance_id":3076,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3077,"start_s":3078,"end_s":3079,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},507,"207038","por parte de la controlaría general del Estado, del Tribunal de Cuentas del Estado, más que por una ley propiamente dicha, porque siempre hay algún mecanismo para redirigir esa licitación.",3507.54,3520.22,{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},508,"207039","Gobernador...",3520.3,3520.78,{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":69,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},509,"207040","Ah, diga.",3520.82,3522.2,{"idx":3093,"utterance_id":3094,"speaker_name":69,"text":3095,"start_s":3096,"end_s":3097,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},510,"207041","¿Quién preguntó, Zanino?",3522.4,3523.48,{"idx":3099,"utterance_id":3100,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3101,"start_s":3102,"end_s":3103,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},511,"207042","Quería preguntar sobre... El presidente Lula tuvo un repunte en las últimas encuestas, no muy grande, pero muestra una curva.",3523.96,3530.58,{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},512,"207043","Tanto su aprobación mejoró un poco, como su desaprobación incluso bajó.",3531.2,3535.96,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},513,"207044","La desaprobación es mayor, pero hay un aumento.",3536.4,3538.52,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},514,"207045","Y en el mano a mano con varios candidatos, incluso con usted, él gana.",3539.02,3543,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},515,"207046","Algunos más cerca del margen de error, otros más lejos.",3543.32,3546.94,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":366,"indexable":74},516,"207047","Quería preguntar cómo lo ve usted: ¿cuál es la fuerza del presidente Lula para la reelección, en caso de que sea candidato de verdad —usted me dijo que lo será— hasta dónde puede llegar y cómo derrotar al presidente Lula, especialmente si existe una curva de fortalecimiento desde ahora hasta las elecciones.",3547.38,3565.7,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},517,"207048","Oh, Fábio, creo que esa reversión que ocurrió es momentánea, creo que tiene mucho que ver con ese contexto del tarifácio, que en este primer momento se vendió a la población como algo que no tiene que ver con él sino con Bolsonaro.",3567.24,3585.1,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3143,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},518,"207049","Con el tiempo, eso empezará a aclararse.",3585.92,3590.86,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},519,"207050","Y yo, Fábio, siempre en toda mi vida... tanto en el sector privado como en el gobierno, siempre tomé medidas y practiqué una gestión a largo plazo.",3592.42,3605.34,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},520,"207051","Y el gobierno Lula, hasta el momento, los buenos números que ha obtenido son porque ha aplicado anabolizantes a la economía brasileña.",3606.22,3616.2,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},521,"207052","La economía brasileña se está más hinchando que creciendo.",3616.86,3621.54,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},522,"207053","Vimos lo mismo en 2015 y 2016.",3622.9,3628.14,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},523,"207054","La mayor recesión de la historia de Brasil, el PIB cayó casi un 8%.",3628.58,3634.76,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},524,"207055","El único país del mundo en aquel bienio 2015 y 2016 que se desplomó fue un país llamado Brasil.",3635.8,3644.02,{"idx":3183,"utterance_id":3184,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3185,"start_s":3186,"end_s":3187,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},525,"207056","por causa de la economía, de las medidas económicas que el PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores) adoptó en el gobierno de Dilma.",3644.54,3652.22,{"idx":3189,"utterance_id":3190,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3191,"start_s":3192,"end_s":3193,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},526,"207057","Derroche; en aquella época aún conseguían manipular la tasa de interés, hoy ya tienen más dificultad.",3652.44,3661.38,{"idx":3195,"utterance_id":3196,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3197,"start_s":3198,"end_s":3199,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},527,"207058","Y veremos en los próximos meses el desenlace de esto.",3661.86,3665.88,{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},528,"207059","Es solo cuestión de tiempo.",3666.32,3668.4,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},529,"207060","Si es seis meses más, si es 12 meses más, pero en algún momento veremos que ese crecimiento tan glorificado por el gobierno es algo insostenible.",3668.94,3681.52,{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3215,"start_s":3216,"end_s":3217,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},530,"207061","Es un anabolizante.",3681.92,3683.38,{"idx":3219,"utterance_id":3220,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3221,"start_s":3222,"end_s":3223,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},531,"207062","Recordando esto, para quienes no recuerdan qué es un anabolizante: es la bomba que el culturista toma para ponerse todo fuerte.",3683.46,3692.46,{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},532,"207063","Y al cabo de dos o tres años va a tener problemas cardíacos, renales, de impotencia y demás.",3693.14,3699.78,{"idx":3231,"utterance_id":3232,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3233,"start_s":3234,"end_s":3235,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},533,"207064","Y ya tuvimos eso en el pasado y la repetición está ahí.",3699.8,3703.8,{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},534,"207065","Ese aumento de las tasas, 15%, que el gobierno ya no consigue controlar como hacía en la época de Dilma, es ya un síntoma clarísimo de esa desorganización del sistema económico.",3704.24,3717.74,{"idx":3243,"utterance_id":3244,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3245,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},535,"207066","Un pie en la nevera y el otro... en el horno y diciendo que está todo normal.",3718.22,3723.8,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":69,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},536,"207067","Gobernador, usted está usando muchas figuras de salud; volvamos al tema de la salud.",3724.8,3730.28,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":69,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},537,"207068","El Estado está transitando de un modelo de gestión pública a uno de gestión privada.",3730.82,3738.18,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":69,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},538,"207069","Usted está... licitando, abriendo pliegos para privatizar algunos hospitales.",3738.4,3747.02,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":69,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":337,"indexable":74},539,"207070","Y esos pliegos, me refiero ahora al del Hospital Maria Amélia Lins, que está cerrado desde diciembre del año pasado, están siendo cuestionados en el Tribunal de Cuentas del Estado, que quiere que usted demuestre una ventaja de este modelo en relación con los demás.",3747.62,3765.76,{"idx":3273,"utterance_id":3274,"speaker_name":69,"text":3275,"start_s":3276,"end_s":3277,"word_count":420,"indexable":74},540,"207071","El Ministerio Público también tiene un estudio que demuestra, al comparar hospitales, uno de Barbacena, por ejemplo, que es de gestión pública, con el hospital de Patos, donde se hizo la tercerización, que el hospital de Barbacena, a pesar de la mayor complejidad de cirugías que realiza, es un hospital más barato que este que fue privatizado.",3766.34,3795.12,{"idx":3279,"utterance_id":3280,"speaker_name":69,"text":3281,"start_s":3282,"end_s":3283,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},541,"207072","La pregunta es la siguiente: esta transición, en el caso del Maria Amélia Lins, ¿está llevando a la paralización y a secuelas graves por la sobrecarga en el Hospital João XXIII?",3795.58,3810.26,{"idx":3285,"utterance_id":3286,"speaker_name":69,"text":3287,"start_s":3288,"end_s":3289,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},542,"207073","Por lo tanto, un proceso sin planificación, porque la población no está siendo atendida en el hospital.",3810.36,3815.22,{"idx":3291,"utterance_id":3292,"speaker_name":69,"text":3293,"start_s":3294,"end_s":3295,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},543,"207074","La pregunta es la siguiente: si usted es elegido, ¿qué hará con la empresa brasileña de servicios hospitalarios?",3815.66,3823.1,{"idx":3297,"utterance_id":3298,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3299,"start_s":3300,"end_s":3301,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},544,"207075","Roberta, nuestra visión de la salud es fortalecer el interior.",3824.64,3831.3,{"idx":3303,"utterance_id":3304,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3305,"start_s":3306,"end_s":3307,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},545,"207076","Belo Horizonte siempre ha estado sobrecargada de ambulancias.",3832.14,3837.22,{"idx":3309,"utterance_id":3310,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3311,"start_s":3312,"end_s":3313,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},546,"207077","en la puerta del João XXIII, de la Santa Casa,",3839.48,3842.56,{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":258,"start_s":3317,"end_s":3318,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},547,"207078",3842.74,3843.06,{"idx":3320,"utterance_id":3321,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3322,"start_s":3323,"end_s":3324,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},548,"207079","hospitales públicos de Belo Horizonte, donde se ven ambulancias de todo el Estado.",3843.8,3848.64,{"idx":3326,"utterance_id":3327,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3328,"start_s":3329,"end_s":3330,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},549,"207080","Hasta el fin de mi gestión, como dije, vamos a inaugurar cinco grandes hospitales en el interior.",3849.18,3856.56,{"idx":3332,"utterance_id":3333,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3334,"start_s":3335,"end_s":3336,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},550,"207081","Governador Valadares, Teófilo Ottoni, Sete Lagoas, Conselheiro Lafayette y Divinópolis.",3857.06,3866.16,{"idx":3338,"utterance_id":3339,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3340,"start_s":3341,"end_s":3342,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},551,"207082","Esas camas van a traer una mejora tanto para quien vive en el interior como para quien vive en la capital, que dejará de recibir miles de pacientes por día.",3867.14,3882,{"idx":3344,"utterance_id":3345,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3346,"start_s":3347,"end_s":3348,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},552,"207083","Entonces, estoy entregando, Berto, una salud que es lo opuesto a la que vi en 2018.",3882.64,3888.44,{"idx":3350,"utterance_id":3351,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3352,"start_s":3353,"end_s":3354,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},553,"207084","En 2018, haciendo mi campaña, pasé por la ciudad de Tabuleiro, en la zona da mata.",3889.08,3894.7,{"idx":3356,"utterance_id":3357,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3358,"start_s":3359,"end_s":3360,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},554,"207085","El único puesto de salud, la única UBS de la ciudad, estaba cerrado con un cartel en la puerta que decía lo siguiente: 'no operamos porque no estamos recibiendo recursos del gobierno del Estado'.",3895.12,3908.7,{"idx":3362,"utterance_id":3363,"speaker_name":69,"text":3364,"start_s":3365,"end_s":3366,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},555,"207086","Con la empresa brasileña de servicios.",3908.72,3911.88,{"idx":3368,"utterance_id":3369,"speaker_name":69,"text":3370,"start_s":3371,"end_s":3372,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},556,"207087","no respondió, pero ok.",3911.92,3913,{"idx":3374,"utterance_id":3375,"speaker_name":69,"text":3376,"start_s":3377,"end_s":3378,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},557,"207088","Eh, no, tengo que ir al intervalo, gobernador.",3913.06,3915.98,{"idx":3380,"utterance_id":3381,"speaker_name":69,"text":3382,"start_s":3383,"end_s":3384,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},558,"207089","Después podremos seguir hablando de salud, pero necesitamos hacer un breve intervalo.",3916.06,3920.84,{"idx":3386,"utterance_id":3387,"speaker_name":69,"text":1355,"start_s":3388,"end_s":3389,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},559,"207090",3935.76,3937.26,{"idx":3391,"utterance_id":3392,"speaker_name":69,"text":3393,"start_s":3394,"end_s":3395,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},560,"207091","Roda Viva está de vuelta.",3951.36,3952.5,{"idx":3397,"utterance_id":3398,"speaker_name":69,"text":3399,"start_s":3400,"end_s":3401,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},561,"207092","Quien pregunta ahora al gobernador Romeu Zema es Sibeli Bolsas.",3952.54,3955.62,{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":69,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},562,"207093","Bueno, gobernador, usted habló al comienzo de nuestra conversación... que ve como algo positivo la presencia de muchos candidatos a la presidencia de la derecha y que eso fortalece a la derecha.",3955.66,3970.82,{"idx":3409,"utterance_id":3410,"speaker_name":69,"text":3411,"start_s":3412,"end_s":3413,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},563,"207094","Pero eso ¿no puede implicar el riesgo de una pulverización muy grande de votos y que, habiendo tantos candidatos, ninguno sea protagonista durante la campaña?",3971.34,3983.86,{"idx":3415,"utterance_id":3416,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3417,"start_s":3418,"end_s":3419,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},564,"207095","Sibeli, nuestra visión es exactamente la opuesta a lo que usted dice.",3985.2,3991.5,{"idx":3421,"utterance_id":3422,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3423,"start_s":3424,"end_s":3425,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},565,"207096","Además, si la derecha tuviera solo un candidato, con toda seguridad el gobierno Lula PT (Partido de los Trabalhadores) dirigiría toda su artillería contra ese candidato.",3992.38,4005.94,{"idx":3427,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},566,"207097","Y al haber varios, él ya enfrenta esa dificultad extra.",4006.52,4012.62,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},567,"207098","Y la posibilidad de que esos candidatos consigan llevar sus votos... a la segunda vuelta, que se produzca una migración, es mucho mayor que si hubiera solo un candidato, que sin duda tendría menos votos que la suma de dos, tres o cuatro candidatos.",4013.68,4034.92,{"idx":3439,"utterance_id":3440,"speaker_name":69,"text":3441,"start_s":3442,"end_s":3443,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},568,"207099","Aun así, existe la posibilidad de una composición previa, por ejemplo, ¿alguno de ustedes aceptaría ser vicepresidente?",4035.1,4041.98,{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":69,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},569,"207100","De los demás, mucha gente especula que usted sería un vice ideal por ser de Minas, que suele ser un estado péndulo en las elecciones.",4042.48,4053.12,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":69,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},570,"207101","¿Usted contemplaría la posibilidad de ser vicepresidente?",4053.28,4055.38,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},571,"207102","No, Vera.",4055.86,4056.48,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},572,"207103","Está definido que iremos hasta el final.",4056.52,4059.34,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},573,"207104","En toda mi carrera, tanto en el sector privado como en el público, fui la persona que armó el equipo, que coordinó.",4060.2,4069.42,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},574,"207105","Administro de una manera descentralizada.",4070.1,4073.32,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},575,"207106","A quienes trabajan conmigo les gusta.",4073.96,4075.78,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},576,"207107","Me gusta ver los grandes números.",4076.34,4079.02,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},577,"207108","Ese detallito allí, es el secretario quien tiene que resolverlo.",4079.5,4084.06,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},578,"207109","Necesito ver la tendencia.",4084.26,4085.48,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},579,"207110","Como dije aquí, pesaba 300 kilos, ahora pesa 100.",4085.52,4089.56,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},580,"207111","Eso es lo que me interesa.",4089.64,4090.26,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},581,"207112","¿Mantiene usted la candidatura incluso si Tarcísio es candidato, gobernador?",4090.28,4093.14,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},582,"207113","¿Cómo?",4093.2,4093.42,{"idx":3529,"utterance_id":3530,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3531,"start_s":3532,"end_s":3533,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},583,"207114","Si Tarcísio se presenta como candidato a la presidencia, ¿usted mantiene la candidatura?",4093.5,4096,{"idx":3535,"utterance_id":3536,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3537,"start_s":3538,"end_s":3539,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},584,"207115","Mantendremos la candidatura.",4096.06,4097.46,{"idx":3541,"utterance_id":3542,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3543,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},585,"207116","Trabajaremos codo a codo y en la segunda vuelta, quien llegue, con seguridad, tendrá el apoyo.",4097.6,4103.82,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},586,"207117","¿Considera que Tarcísio será candidato?",4103.84,4105.6,{"idx":3553,"utterance_id":3554,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3555,"start_s":3556,"end_s":3557,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},587,"207118","Pregunto porque en las últimas... claro que esta es la pregunta de un millón de dólares, pero en las últimas semanas ha empezado a crecer, parece que cierto coro en la derecha, en el empresariado, en el mercado financiero",4105.76,4117.4,{"idx":3559,"utterance_id":3560,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3561,"start_s":3562,"end_s":3563,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},588,"207119","para que Tarcísio asuma esa candidatura presidencial.",4117.82,4120.3,{"idx":3565,"utterance_id":3566,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3567,"start_s":3568,"end_s":3569,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},589,"207120","Él parece realmente también estar teniendo una agenda más nacionalizada.",4120.32,4124.08,{"idx":3571,"utterance_id":3572,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3573,"start_s":3574,"end_s":3575,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},590,"207121","¿Qué siente usted cuando conversa con él?",4124.54,4127,{"idx":3577,"utterance_id":3578,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3579,"start_s":3580,"end_s":3581,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},591,"207122","¿Cuál es su sentimiento?",4127.02,4127.98,{"idx":3583,"utterance_id":3584,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3585,"start_s":3586,"end_s":3587,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},592,"207123","¿Va a ser candidato a la presidencia?",4128,4129.32,{"idx":3589,"utterance_id":3590,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3591,"start_s":3592,"end_s":3593,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},593,"207124","Para mí, él ya afirmó que va a concurrir a la reelección en São Paulo.",4130.6,4135.68,{"idx":3595,"utterance_id":3596,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3597,"start_s":3598,"end_s":3599,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},594,"207125","Para nosotros él dice eso también.",4136.62,4137.74,{"idx":3601,"utterance_id":3602,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3603,"start_s":3604,"end_s":3605,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},595,"207126","Creo que la gran cuestión es tener un nombre a la altura de él en São Paulo.",4138.44,4144.08,{"idx":3607,"utterance_id":3608,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3609,"start_s":3610,"end_s":3611,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},596,"207127","Y sujeto.",4144.82,4145.72,{"idx":3613,"utterance_id":3614,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3615,"start_s":3616,"end_s":3617,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},597,"207128","a perder el principal Estado de Brasil, quizá incluso para la izquierda, si él no es quien busque la reelección.",4146.14,4155.16,{"idx":3619,"utterance_id":3620,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3621,"start_s":3622,"end_s":3623,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},598,"207129","Entonces, es un riesgo para su partido.",4155.9,4159.86,{"idx":3625,"utterance_id":3626,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3627,"start_s":3628,"end_s":3629,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},599,"207130","No sé qué otro nombre podría tener esa aceptación tan elevada suya en el Estado de São Paulo.",4160.4,4167.64,{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},600,"207131","pero todo es posible en política, las cosas más adelante se reacomodarán, cambiarán de acuerdo con sus opiniones, las del partido, etc.",4168.08,4178.48,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":69,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":354,"indexable":74},601,"207132","Gobernador, usted ha recibido algunas críticas por haber, según la evaluación de muchos críticos, adelantado demasiado su precandidatura a la presidencia de la República y por que ese posicionamiento dificulta aún más su diálogo con la presidencia de la República actual, con la gestión actual del presidente Lula.",4181,4197.4,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":69,"text":3645,"start_s":3646,"end_s":3647,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},602,"207133","¿Cree usted que procede, que la relación empeoró después de que usted anunció que es precandidato?",4197.42,4201.94,{"idx":3649,"utterance_id":3650,"speaker_name":69,"text":3651,"start_s":3652,"end_s":3653,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},603,"207134","¿Cree usted que esa es la estrategia correcta?",4201.96,4203.44,{"idx":3655,"utterance_id":3656,"speaker_name":69,"text":3657,"start_s":3658,"end_s":3659,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},604,"207135","¿Por qué adoptó esa?",4203.48,4204.5,{"idx":3661,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},605,"207136","Nunca fue de las mejores y en algún momento tendríamos que hacer eso.",4211.28,4218.08,{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},606,"207137","Y creo que fue el momento adecuado, esto fue ampliamente discutido en el partido y sabemos claramente, nosotros, estados gobernados por la derecha, por la centroderecha, que el gobierno federal siempre hace lo mínimo.",4218.92,4237.8,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},607,"207138","que es necesario en esos estados.",4238.46,4240.98,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},608,"207139","No tenemos nada extra, a diferencia de los estados gobernados por la izquierda, que presentan indicadores mucho... peores que los estados gobernados por la derecha, principalmente en la cuestión de seguridad pública.",4241.3,4256.76,{"idx":3685,"utterance_id":3686,"speaker_name":69,"text":3687,"start_s":3688,"end_s":3689,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},609,"207140","Ahora, el presidente ha intensificado sus viajes a Minas, hizo varias visitas, deberá ir de nuevo pronto, y usted ha tenido una caída en la evaluación, según la encuesta Quest, cinco puntos.",4256.78,4269.52,{"idx":3691,"utterance_id":3692,"speaker_name":69,"text":3693,"start_s":3694,"end_s":3695,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},610,"207141","desde que intensificó esos ataques.",4270.04,4271.96,{"idx":3697,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":69,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},611,"207142","Hubo un voto luzema en 2022 que fue importante.",4272.64,4277.72,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":69,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},612,"207143","¿No teme usted perder una parte de su electorado con esas críticas, dado que el presidente también está mejorando su evaluación?",4278,4285.9,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},613,"207144","Y ganó en Minas, ¿no?",4286.26,4287.3,{"idx":3715,"utterance_id":3716,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3717,"start_s":3718,"end_s":3719,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},614,"207145","Sí. Realmente, la encuesta señala ese número que mencionas.",4287.44,4294.16,{"idx":3721,"utterance_id":3722,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3723,"start_s":3724,"end_s":3725,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},615,"207146","Muy probablemente la conexión es exactamente esa que dijiste.",4295.88,4300.38,{"idx":3727,"utterance_id":3728,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3729,"start_s":3730,"end_s":3731,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},616,"207147","Nosotros, de cierta manera, pasamos a ser vistos claramente como competidores a partir de este lanzamiento de mi precandidatura.",4301.64,4311.54,{"idx":3733,"utterance_id":3734,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3735,"start_s":3736,"end_s":3737,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},617,"207148","Pero esa misma encuesta también apunta que allí en Minas, en una eventual elección para presidente, yo ando.",4311.94,4320.66,{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},618,"207149","Tengo una amplia ventaja sobre él.",4321.12,4323.76,{"idx":3745,"utterance_id":3746,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3747,"start_s":3748,"end_s":3749,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},619,"207150","El mismo instituto y la misma encuesta que señalan eso.",4324.08,4327.8,{"idx":3751,"utterance_id":3752,"speaker_name":69,"text":3753,"start_s":3754,"end_s":3755,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},620,"207151","Es una ventaja natural, porque usted es de Minas.",4327.9,4331.74,{"idx":3757,"utterance_id":3758,"speaker_name":69,"text":3759,"start_s":3760,"end_s":3761,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},621,"207152","Y si usted compara la diferencia en Paraná, que es de 80 a 10, entre todos los gobernadores presidenciables, en Minas la distancia es la menor.",4332.32,4343.8,{"idx":3763,"utterance_id":3764,"speaker_name":69,"text":3765,"start_s":3766,"end_s":3767,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},622,"207153","La ventaja que tienes es menor en relación con los demás estados.",4344.76,4347.8,{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},623,"207154","En Minas, como sabemos, Berta, es la muestra de Brasil.",4348.14,4351.48,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},624,"207155","Paraná es un estado bastante uniforme.",4351.74,4354.22,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3781,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3782,"start_s":3783,"end_s":3784,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},"207156","Si recorres Paraná, es muy semejante.",4355.18,4357.72,{"idx":3786,"utterance_id":3787,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3788,"start_s":3789,"end_s":3790,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},626,"207157","En Minas tenemos un pedazo de São Paulo, de Río, de Goiás, del Nordeste.",4357.76,4363.28,{"idx":3792,"utterance_id":3793,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3794,"start_s":3795,"end_s":3796,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},627,"207158","Entonces, creo que incluso esa diferencia positiva para nosotros en Minas, para mí... incluso da más tranquilidad que si yo estuviera en otro Estado.",4363.82,4374.34,{"idx":3798,"utterance_id":3799,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3800,"start_s":3801,"end_s":3802,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},628,"207159","Gobernador, uno de los temas en los que usted tuvo más enfrentamiento con el gobierno federal fue la cuestión de la deuda, de la deuda del Estado.",4374.38,4381.9,{"idx":3804,"utterance_id":3805,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3806,"start_s":3807,"end_s":3808,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},629,"207160","Usted, claro, asumió un gobierno que en esa época tenía dificultades incluso para pagar al funcionariado.",4382.48,4388.1,{"idx":3810,"utterance_id":3811,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3812,"start_s":3813,"end_s":3814,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},630,"207161","Usted destaca que logró cambiar esa situación; sin embargo, usted hizo eso quedándose seis años sin pagar la deuda con la Unión debido a una medida cautelar que había sido concedida al final del gobierno anterior.",4388.58,4400.14,{"idx":3816,"utterance_id":3817,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3818,"start_s":3819,"end_s":3820,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},631,"207162","que usted pidió prorrogar varias veces, entonces estuvo seis años sin pagar esa parcela.",4400.5,4405.84,{"idx":3822,"utterance_id":3823,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3824,"start_s":3825,"end_s":3826,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},632,"207163","Con eso, la deuda que ya fue de alrededor de 100 mil millones, más o menos en esa época, ya está en 170, debe llegar a 180 mil millones al final del año.",4406.38,4414.68,{"idx":3828,"utterance_id":3829,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3830,"start_s":3831,"end_s":3832,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},633,"207164","¿Usted cree que fue una buena estrategia?",4414.7,4416.58,{"idx":3834,"utterance_id":3835,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3836,"start_s":3837,"end_s":3838,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},634,"207165","¿No es como no pagar la tarjeta de crédito y tener que refinanciar la deuda, que va a quedar mucho mayor?",4416.6,4422.12,{"idx":3840,"utterance_id":3841,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3842,"start_s":3843,"end_s":3844,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},635,"207166","Entonces, Ricardo, eso es la versión de la oposición.",4422.78,4428.24,{"idx":3846,"utterance_id":3847,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3848,"start_s":3849,"end_s":3850,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},636,"207167","Tengo los nombres de 853 alcaldes de Minas que usted puede comprobar con ellos, con todos ellos, cuánto ya han recibido y cuánto siguen recibiendo.",4428.72,4442.24,{"idx":3852,"utterance_id":3853,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3854,"start_s":3855,"end_s":3856,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},637,"207168","cada mes que el PT Pimentel saqueó los municipios.",4442.4,4447.1,{"idx":3858,"utterance_id":3859,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3860,"start_s":3861,"end_s":3862,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},638,"207169","Pero usted, de hecho, dejó de pagar deuda federal durante seis años, ¿no?",4447.14,4450.48,{"idx":3864,"utterance_id":3865,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3866,"start_s":3867,"end_s":3868,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},639,"207170","Sí. La deuda federal, cuando yo la asumí, representaba el 190% de los ingresos corrientes netos del Estado.",4450.64,4461.08,{"idx":3870,"utterance_id":3871,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3872,"start_s":3873,"end_s":3874,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},640,"207171","Hoy, el último dato que tengo, en 2024, representaba el 170%.",4461.74,4466.38,{"idx":3876,"utterance_id":3877,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3878,"start_s":3879,"end_s":3880,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},641,"207172","Si alguien debía 10 sueldos y ahora debe 8 sueldos, su capacidad de pago mejoró.",4466.5,4474.82,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":69,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},642,"207173","¿Pero fue porque hubo una renegociación, verdad?",4474.92,4476.72,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},643,"207174","No, no hubo renegociación.",4477.34,4479.42,{"idx":3894,"utterance_id":3895,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3896,"start_s":3897,"end_s":3898,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},644,"207175","El régimen de recuperación fiscal no altera eso, Vera.",4479.94,4487.02,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},645,"207176","Usted sigue con la deuda ahí.",4487.92,4489.76,{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},646,"207177","Simplemente pasa a tener la prerrogativa de una cuota menor.",4490.16,4495.06,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},647,"207178","Pero eso no significa que la corrección no esté incorporada en el resto, ¿entiende?",4495.86,4502.9,{"idx":3918,"utterance_id":3919,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3920,"start_s":3921,"end_s":3922,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},648,"207179","Entonces, nuestra capacidad para saldar la deuda durante mi gobierno cayó.",4503.42,4508,{"idx":3924,"utterance_id":3925,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3926,"start_s":3927,"end_s":3928,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},649,"207180","Eso cualquier analista financiero que entienda de administración pública lo confirma.",4508.52,4514.14,{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},650,"207181","En el gobierno de Pimentel, solo subiendo.",4514.46,4516.7,{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},651,"207182","En mi gobierno, cayó.",4517.02,4518.22,{"idx":3942,"utterance_id":3943,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3944,"start_s":3945,"end_s":3946,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},652,"207183","En valores nominales, como dijo Ricardo, subió.",4518.62,4521.56,{"idx":3948,"utterance_id":3949,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3950,"start_s":3951,"end_s":3952,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},653,"207184","Pero lo que importa son los valores relativos.",4521.94,4524.7,{"idx":3954,"utterance_id":3955,"speaker_name":69,"text":3956,"start_s":3957,"end_s":3958,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},654,"207185","Está bien, está abierta.",4524.72,4526.46,{"idx":3960,"utterance_id":3961,"speaker_name":69,"text":3962,"start_s":3963,"end_s":3964,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},655,"207186","Puede ir, Débora.",4527.56,4528.04,{"idx":3966,"utterance_id":3967,"speaker_name":69,"text":3968,"start_s":3969,"end_s":3970,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},656,"207187","La deuda, gobernador, creció de 114 mil millones a 170, es decir, hay un crecimiento del 59%, porque en los primeros seis años, de hecho, usted no pagó.",4528.3,4546.3,{"idx":3972,"utterance_id":3973,"speaker_name":69,"text":3974,"start_s":3975,"end_s":3976,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},657,"207188","Y con ese ahorro que hizo al no pagar... usted pudo poner al día el salario del funcionariado.",4546.84,4556.32,{"idx":3978,"utterance_id":3979,"speaker_name":69,"text":3980,"start_s":3981,"end_s":3982,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},658,"207189","Y esa declaración es de su exsecretario de Hacienda, Gustavo Barbosa, en la Asamblea Legislativa, que, al responder una pregunta, dijo que si el Estado tuviera que pagar la deuda, no podría poner al día al funcionariado.",4556.7,4574.24,{"idx":3984,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":69,"text":3986,"start_s":3987,"end_s":3988,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},659,"207190","¿Usted lo confirma?",4574.8,4575.64,{"idx":3990,"utterance_id":3991,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3992,"start_s":3993,"end_s":3994,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},660,"207191","Lo confirmo perfectamente.",4576.16,4577.96,{"idx":3996,"utterance_id":3997,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3998,"start_s":3999,"end_s":4000,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},661,"207192","Ahora, Berta, además de pagar a los municipios, pagamos a proveedores que ya no vendían ningún medicamento para la red pública.",4578.58,4587.78,{"idx":4002,"utterance_id":4003,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4004,"start_s":4005,"end_s":4006,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},662,"207193","Cuando asumí, Berta, no había medicamento de uso continuo para diabéticos.",4588.3,4593.02,{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},663,"207194","No sé si llegamos a perder vidas por esa razón.",4593.6,4597.56,{"idx":4014,"utterance_id":4015,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4016,"start_s":4017,"end_s":4018,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},664,"207195","Estamos pagando hasta hoy la recomposición de los depósitos judiciales.",4598.14,4604.28,{"idx":4020,"utterance_id":4021,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4022,"start_s":4023,"end_s":4024,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},665,"207196","Pagamos 700 millones a los bancos para sacar el nombre del SPC y Serasa de 240.000 funcionarios públicos que tuvieron su nombre manchado en el SPC y Serasa, porque Pimentel y el PT descontaron el préstamo consignado y no pagaron a los bancos.",4604.86,4625.96,{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4028,"start_s":4029,"end_s":4030,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},666,"207197","Y aún estamos pagando a los 853 alcaldes un plan de pagos en materia de salud.",4626.4,4633.86,{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4034,"start_s":4035,"end_s":4036,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},667,"207198","Todo eso suma aproximadamente 30.000 millones de reales.",4634.46,4639.4,{"idx":4038,"utterance_id":4039,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4040,"start_s":4041,"end_s":4042,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},668,"207199","Y esa suspensión del pago, que fue conseguida vía medida cautelar, realmente fue importantísima para que las finanzas del Estado y de los municipios se reestructuraran.",4640.14,4655.18,{"idx":4044,"utterance_id":4045,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4046,"start_s":4047,"end_s":4048,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},669,"207200","Ahora, lo que debe quedar claro es lo siguiente.",4655.28,4657.58,{"idx":4050,"utterance_id":4051,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4052,"start_s":4053,"end_s":4054,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},670,"207201","La capacidad del Estado para pagar la deuda hoy es mucho mayor que en el pasado, porque nuestra economía, nuestra recaudación crecieron en una proporción superior a la que creció la deuda.",4658.06,4672.08,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4056,"speaker_name":69,"text":4057,"start_s":4058,"end_s":4059,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},"207202","Sibeli, aún cabe una en este punto.",4672.2,4674.12,{"idx":4061,"utterance_id":4062,"speaker_name":69,"text":4063,"start_s":4064,"end_s":4065,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},672,"207203","Cambiando un poco de tema, gobernador, usted declaró recientemente que va a apoyar a todos los candidatos al Senado que defiendan el impeachment de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",4674.14,4684.42,{"idx":4067,"utterance_id":4068,"speaker_name":69,"text":4069,"start_s":4070,"end_s":4071,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},673,"207204","Quisiera que usted hablara un poco.",4685.28,4686.48,{"idx":4073,"utterance_id":4074,"speaker_name":69,"text":4075,"start_s":4076,"end_s":4077,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},674,"207205","¿cuál es su visión de la democracia, cuál sería el equilibrio más ideal entre los tres poderes?",4686.68,4695.26,{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},675,"207206","Oh, Cybele, estamos asistiendo en Brasil, en los últimos años, a una disfuncionalidad total entre los poderes.",4696.36,4707.78,{"idx":4085,"utterance_id":4086,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4087,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},676,"207207","El IOF.",4710.46,4711.14,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},677,"207208","¿Qué hizo el Congreso?",4712.96,4715.2,{"idx":4097,"utterance_id":4098,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4099,"start_s":4100,"end_s":4101,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},678,"207209","¿Y qué hizo el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",4716.28,4718.72,{"idx":4103,"utterance_id":4104,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4105,"start_s":4106,"end_s":4107,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},679,"207210","El Congreso representa, el pueblo representa la nación.",4719.42,4722.54,{"idx":4109,"utterance_id":4110,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4111,"start_s":4112,"end_s":4113,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},680,"207211","El Congreso dijo que no y el Supremo dijo: \"no, vamos a cobrar el IOF aquí\", independientemente de lo que el Congreso juzgó.",4723.66,4734.64,{"idx":4115,"utterance_id":4116,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4117,"start_s":4118,"end_s":4119,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},681,"207212","Entonces está habiendo una interferencia en la esfera de otras áreas, eso es grave, es muy malo.",4735.8,4744.8,{"idx":4121,"utterance_id":4122,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4123,"start_s":4124,"end_s":4125,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},682,"207213","Y el Congreso, en particular el Senado, tiene esa prerrogativa.",4744.82,4749.9,{"idx":4127,"utterance_id":4128,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4129,"start_s":4130,"end_s":4131,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},683,"207214","Y yo digo que donde hay ser humano, Sibeli, hay error.",4750.96,4754.72,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4133,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4134,"start_s":4135,"end_s":4136,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"207215","Digo que en nuestra policía militar, que es respetadísima, tiene 250 años, tenemos 99,5% de personas éticas, honestas, trabajadoras.",4756.1,4769.48,{"idx":4138,"utterance_id":4139,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4140,"start_s":4141,"end_s":4142,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},685,"207216","Ahora, ese 0,5% que no lo es... la Corregedoria los persigue y los expulsa.",4770.26,4776.06,{"idx":4144,"utterance_id":4145,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4146,"start_s":4147,"end_s":4148,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},686,"207217","Ahora me parece que en el Poder Judicial de Brasil solo tenemos el 100% de personas correctas.",4777,4782.84,{"idx":4150,"utterance_id":4151,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4152,"start_s":4153,"end_s":4154,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},687,"207218","Y no es verdad.",4783.24,4784.2,{"idx":4156,"utterance_id":4157,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4158,"start_s":4159,"end_s":4160,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},688,"207219","Tanto es así que hay una ley, una reforma administrativa ahora, para cambiar exactamente eso.",4784.68,4790.64,{"idx":4162,"utterance_id":4163,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4164,"start_s":4165,"end_s":4166,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},689,"207220","No existe categoría, no existe profesión que alguien conquiste y que esté inmune a cometer errores.",4791.18,4799.32,{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},690,"207221","Y quien erró tiene que ser responsabilizado.",4799.86,4802.4,{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},691,"207222","Y en el Poder Judicial de Brasil hoy nadie es responsabilizado.",4802.86,4806.3,{"idx":4180,"utterance_id":4181,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4182,"start_s":4183,"end_s":4184,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},692,"207223","Usted simplemente se ha convertido en algo más que humano.",4806.82,4811.12,{"idx":4186,"utterance_id":4187,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4188,"start_s":4189,"end_s":4190,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},693,"207224","Usted se ha convertido en alguien que ya no comete errores.",4811.14,4815.18,{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},694,"207225","Y el error está sujeto a ser cometido.",4815.64,4817.46,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},695,"207226","Entonces necesitamos corregir eso.",4817.84,4819.8,{"idx":4204,"utterance_id":4205,"speaker_name":69,"text":4206,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},696,"207227","De acuerdo.",4819.96,4820.54,{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":69,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},697,"207228","Hacemos nuestro último intervalo.",4820.56,4822.34,{"idx":4216,"utterance_id":4217,"speaker_name":69,"text":4218,"start_s":4219,"end_s":4220,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},698,"207229","Volvemos enseguida con el gobernador de Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema.",4822.42,4826.2,{"idx":4222,"utterance_id":4223,"speaker_name":69,"text":4224,"start_s":4225,"end_s":4226,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},699,"207230","No se vaya.",4826.32,4826.88,{"idx":4228,"utterance_id":4229,"speaker_name":69,"text":4230,"start_s":4231,"end_s":4232,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},700,"207231","Estamos de vuelta con Roda Viva, que hoy recibe al gobernador de Minas como candidato a la presidencia, Romeu Zema.",4856.8,4862.44,{"idx":4234,"utterance_id":4235,"speaker_name":69,"text":4236,"start_s":4237,"end_s":4238,"word_count":320,"indexable":74},701,"207232","Gobernador, hice mención al inicio del programa a su entrevista la semana pasada con la BBC News, en la que usted... Hizo una analogía entre un coche que está estacionado en un lugar prohibido y por eso debería ser remolcado, y las personas que viven en la calle.",4862.9,4877.54,{"idx":4240,"utterance_id":4241,"speaker_name":69,"text":4242,"start_s":4243,"end_s":4244,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},702,"207233","Le voy a abrir comillas para usted.",4877.56,4879.04,{"idx":4246,"utterance_id":4247,"speaker_name":69,"text":4248,"start_s":4249,"end_s":4250,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},703,"207234","Quiero resolver ese problema.",4879.52,4880.82,{"idx":4252,"utterance_id":4253,"speaker_name":69,"text":4254,"start_s":4255,"end_s":4256,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},704,"207235","Si alguien deja el coche estacionado en un lugar prohibido, ¿no se remolca el coche?",4880.9,4885.1,{"idx":4258,"utterance_id":4259,"speaker_name":69,"text":4260,"start_s":4261,"end_s":4262,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},705,"207236","Ahora va a quedarse alguien en la puerta de un comerciante que paga impuestos, que genera empleo, haciendo suciedad, estorbando, amenazando al cliente.",4885.54,4893.26,{"idx":4264,"utterance_id":4265,"speaker_name":69,"text":4266,"start_s":4267,"end_s":4268,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},706,"207237","Nadie puede hacer nada.",4893.32,4894.52,{"idx":4270,"utterance_id":4271,"speaker_name":69,"text":4272,"start_s":4273,"end_s":4274,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},707,"207238","Seguidamente, usted dijo que debería haber una ley que prohíba vivir en la calle.",4894.58,4899.12,{"idx":4276,"utterance_id":4277,"speaker_name":69,"text":4278,"start_s":4279,"end_s":4280,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},708,"207239","¿sabe que vivir en la calle no es una elección de la persona, que generalmente esto se debe a la falta de acceso a la vivienda, a la falta de ingresos, a otros problemas, muchas veces incluso a la salud mental, etc.?",4899.72,4911.5,{"idx":4282,"utterance_id":4283,"speaker_name":69,"text":4284,"start_s":4285,"end_s":4286,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},709,"207240","Quisiera que usted explicara lo que quiso decir con esa frase y si no denota cierta falta de sensibilidad social.",4913.28,4920.78,{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},710,"207241","Bueno, Vera, soy gestor en la planta, lo he sido toda mi vida.",4922.1,4928.32,{"idx":4294,"utterance_id":4295,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4296,"start_s":4297,"end_s":4298,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},711,"207242","Abrí tiendas en 470 ciudades, conduje 2 millones de kilómetros en ese recorrido durante más de 30 años y como gobernador sigo recorriendo todo el Estado.",4929.2,4943.52,{"idx":4300,"utterance_id":4301,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4302,"start_s":4303,"end_s":4304,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},712,"207243","Ya he estado en más de 415 ciudades diferentes.",4943.56,4947.38,{"idx":4306,"utterance_id":4307,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4308,"start_s":4309,"end_s":4310,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},713,"207244","Hablo con todos los alcaldes, con la asistencia social de la ciudad, con los concejales.",4948.5,4954.34,{"idx":4312,"utterance_id":4313,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4314,"start_s":4315,"end_s":4316,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},714,"207245","Hay ciudades.",4955.38,4956.24,{"idx":4318,"utterance_id":4319,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4320,"start_s":4321,"end_s":4322,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},715,"207246","que han logrado lidiar bien con este tipo de problema.",4956.92,4960.14,{"idx":4324,"utterance_id":4325,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4326,"start_s":4327,"end_s":4328,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},716,"207247","Otras, no tanto.",4961.12,4962.36,{"idx":4330,"utterance_id":4331,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4332,"start_s":4333,"end_s":4334,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},717,"207248","La gran mayoría de esas personas hoy son dependientes químicos, son personas que han perdido la noción de la realidad.",4963.26,4974.18,{"idx":4336,"utterance_id":4337,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4338,"start_s":4339,"end_s":4340,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},718,"207249","Viven en una condición deplorable en términos de higiene, en términos de seguridad.",4975.36,4983.18,{"idx":4342,"utterance_id":4343,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4344,"start_s":4345,"end_s":4346,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},719,"207250","Si usted las invita a ir a una comunidad terapéutica, que es la solución, solo una minoría acepta.",4985.34,4994.28,{"idx":4348,"utterance_id":4349,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4350,"start_s":4351,"end_s":4352,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},720,"207251","Porque ven a la comunidad terapéutica como algo que exigirá que empiecen a tener un horario para dormir.",4995.2,5003.64,{"idx":4354,"utterance_id":4355,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4356,"start_s":4357,"end_s":4358,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},721,"207252","Exigirá que se bañen todos los días y en esa esquizofrenia que están sufriendo, la gran mayoría padece...",5004.28,5012.22,{"idx":4360,"utterance_id":4361,"speaker_name":69,"text":4362,"start_s":4363,"end_s":4364,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},722,"207253","Pero usted es psiquiatra, gobernador, perdón, la esquizofrenia es una condición de salud mental muy específica.",5012.26,5017.58,{"idx":4366,"utterance_id":4367,"speaker_name":69,"text":4368,"start_s":4369,"end_s":4370,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},723,"207254","Sí, pero la droga conduce a eso.",5017.6,5019.3,{"idx":4372,"utterance_id":4373,"speaker_name":69,"text":4374,"start_s":4375,"end_s":4376,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},724,"207255","¿No está usted haciendo un análisis muy reduccionista de un problema que es un grave problema social?",5019.34,5024.4,{"idx":4378,"utterance_id":4379,"speaker_name":69,"text":4380,"start_s":4381,"end_s":4382,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},725,"207256","¿La solución para esa persona sería remolcarlas?",5024.54,5026.66,{"idx":4384,"utterance_id":4385,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4386,"start_s":4387,"end_s":4388,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},726,"207257","¿No deshumaniza a las personas compararlas con coches?",5027.98,5030.32,{"idx":4390,"utterance_id":4391,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4392,"start_s":4393,"end_s":4394,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},727,"207258","Entonces... Dije que el coche no se queda, ahora dije que necesitamos encontrar una solución para las personas.",5031.22,5036.74,{"idx":4396,"utterance_id":4397,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4398,"start_s":4399,"end_s":4400,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},728,"207259","No se remolca a las personas.",5036.86,5038.22,{"idx":4402,"utterance_id":4403,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4404,"start_s":4405,"end_s":4406,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},729,"207260","Hay que hacer eso con tacto, con dignidad.",5038.76,5042.46,{"idx":4408,"utterance_id":4409,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4410,"start_s":4411,"end_s":4412,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},730,"207261","Hoy ese trabajo es responsabilidad de las alcaldías, pero muchas veces el alcalde ya me dijo, 'empiezo a cuestionar a esa persona'.",5043.26,5055.62,{"idx":4414,"utterance_id":4415,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4416,"start_s":4417,"end_s":4418,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},731,"207262","Y se va, pero se va a otra ciudad.",5055.72,5059.14,{"idx":4420,"utterance_id":4421,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4422,"start_s":4423,"end_s":4424,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},732,"207263","Necesitamos tener una solución central para ese problema.",5059.28,5063.96,{"idx":4426,"utterance_id":4427,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4428,"start_s":4429,"end_s":4430,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},733,"207264","Y el gobierno federal ha hecho la vista gorda.",5064.46,5066.26,{"idx":4432,"utterance_id":4433,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4434,"start_s":4435,"end_s":4436,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},734,"207265","Ahora tengo 60 años.",5066.84,5068.98,{"idx":4438,"utterance_id":4439,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4440,"start_s":4441,"end_s":4442,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},735,"207266","Eso no existía en Brasil, no.",5069.6,5071.42,{"idx":4444,"utterance_id":4445,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4446,"start_s":4447,"end_s":4448,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},736,"207267","Estamos creando verdaderas pocilgas humanas en las grandes ciudades de Brasil, por omisión del sector público.",5072,5081.24,{"idx":4450,"utterance_id":4451,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4452,"start_s":4453,"end_s":4454,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},737,"207268","que se queda solo en esa guerrita de perseguir al adversario.",5081.86,5085.5,{"idx":4456,"utterance_id":4457,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4458,"start_s":4459,"end_s":4460,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},738,"207269","Y se olvidó de esas personas.",5085.84,5087.7,{"idx":4462,"utterance_id":4463,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4464,"start_s":4465,"end_s":4466,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},739,"207270","Ahora tuve el coraje de hablar sobre este problema que nadie menciona.",5088.16,5092,{"idx":4468,"utterance_id":4469,"speaker_name":69,"text":4470,"start_s":4471,"end_s":4472,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},740,"207271","Y ¿qué está haciendo usted como gobernador con respecto a esas personas?",5092.18,5095.26,{"idx":4474,"utterance_id":4475,"speaker_name":69,"text":4476,"start_s":4477,"end_s":4478,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},741,"207272","Porque el poder público también incluye al gobierno del Estado.",5095.3,5097.78,{"idx":4480,"utterance_id":4481,"speaker_name":69,"text":230,"start_s":4482,"end_s":4483,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},742,"207273",5097.92,5098.08,{"idx":4485,"utterance_id":4486,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4487,"start_s":4488,"end_s":4489,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},743,"207274","En Minas Gerais, durante la pandemia, pusimos a disposición una estructura pública del Estado, justo en el centro de Belo Horizonte.",5098.72,5108.28,{"idx":4491,"utterance_id":4492,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4493,"start_s":4494,"end_s":4495,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},744,"207275","para poder acoger a esas personas.",5108.72,5111.94,{"idx":4497,"utterance_id":4498,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4499,"start_s":4500,"end_s":4501,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},745,"207276","Hemos estado pagando a las alcaldías el piso mineiro de asistencia social que el PT no pagaba, para que tengan más recursos para desarrollar ese trabajo.",5112.58,5125.2,{"idx":4503,"utterance_id":4504,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4505,"start_s":4506,"end_s":4507,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},746,"207277","Ahora, gobernador, por lo que entendí en su respuesta en la entrevista con la BBC, ¿su solución sería prohibir que esas personas de Manarru, usted dijo que no tendrían el derecho?",5125.4,5134.86,{"idx":4509,"utterance_id":4510,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4511,"start_s":4512,"end_s":4513,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},747,"207278","Usted hablaba de dormir en la calle y de obligarlas a dormir en refugios y albergues.",5135.42,5139.22,{"idx":4515,"utterance_id":4516,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4517,"start_s":4518,"end_s":4519,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},748,"207279","Porque es básicamente un régimen semiabierto.",5139.76,5141.8,{"idx":4521,"utterance_id":4522,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4523,"start_s":4524,"end_s":4525,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},749,"207280","Tienen que ir allí todas las noches y dormir allí sin haber cometido ningún delito.",5142.24,5145.12,{"idx":4527,"utterance_id":4528,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4529,"start_s":4530,"end_s":4531,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},750,"207281","Antes existían las casas de albergados, sería más o menos lo mismo.",5145.14,5147.86,{"idx":4533,"utterance_id":4534,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4535,"start_s":4536,"end_s":4537,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},751,"207282","¿No le parece a usted un contrasentido?",5147.88,5149.4,{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},752,"207283","De ninguna manera, Ricardo, hoy existen alcaldías que tienen estructura para atender a ese público que se niega a ir.",5149.66,5157.16,{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},753,"207284","Tenemos que tener algo que haga que esas personas vayan.",5158.24,5162.78,{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},754,"207285","Ahora, la gente de derechos humanos, que tanto dice ser la protectora de esas personas, debería poner un cartel en la puerta de su casa y decir: 'personas sin techo, acampen aquí en la puerta de mi casa'.",5163.72,5178.14,{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},755,"207286","Porque dondequiera que llegan, residencia o comercio, sólo causan perturbación.",5178.74,5185.58,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4563,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4564,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},"207287","¿Sería eso un problema de vivienda, de alojamiento?",5186.04,5188.1,{"idx":4568,"utterance_id":4569,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4570,"start_s":4571,"end_s":4572,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},757,"207288","No es falta de vivienda.",5188.88,5190.32,{"idx":4574,"utterance_id":4575,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4576,"start_s":4577,"end_s":4578,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},758,"207289","Esas personas, como dije, muchas veces tienen lugares adonde ir.",5190.74,5194.88,{"idx":4580,"utterance_id":4581,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4582,"start_s":4583,"end_s":4584,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},759,"207290","He hablado con alcaldes de todo Brasil sobre esto.",5195.2,5199.04,{"idx":4586,"utterance_id":4587,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4588,"start_s":4589,"end_s":4590,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},760,"207291","Es una cuestión de que hoy él dice 'me quedaré aquí' y difícilmente el poder público podrá hacer algo.",5199.52,5208.12,{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},761,"207292","Y todo el mundo hace la vista gorda ante eso.",5208.5,5210.82,{"idx":4598,"utterance_id":4599,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4600,"start_s":4601,"end_s":4602,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},762,"207293","Es un problema que no existe.",5211.26,5212.7,{"idx":4604,"utterance_id":4605,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4606,"start_s":4607,"end_s":4608,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},763,"207294","Estamos ciegos.",5213,5214.08,{"idx":4610,"utterance_id":4611,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4612,"start_s":4613,"end_s":4614,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},764,"207295","Existe esa cuestión, Ricardo, de que uno se acostumbra a la maldad.",5214.72,5218.32,{"idx":4616,"utterance_id":4617,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4618,"start_s":4619,"end_s":4620,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},765,"207296","Siempre lo he dicho.",5218.76,5219.94,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},766,"207297","a muchas personas.",5219.96,5221.04,{"idx":4628,"utterance_id":4629,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4630,"start_s":4631,"end_s":4632,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},767,"207298","Brasil es, durante décadas, el campeón mundial de homicidios.",5221.46,5226.02,{"idx":4634,"utterance_id":4635,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4636,"start_s":4637,"end_s":4638,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},768,"207299","Nadie aborda ese tema.",5227.12,5228.66,{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},769,"207300","Ninguna guerra en el mundo mata ni la mitad de lo que se mata aquí en Brasil por el crimen organizado.",5229.22,5235.58,{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},770,"207301","Todo el mundo... Con los ojos cerrados.",5236.16,5238.62,{"idx":4652,"utterance_id":4653,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4654,"start_s":4655,"end_s":4656,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},771,"207302","Gobernador, manteniendo el tema de la violencia, la criminalidad, la semana pasada hubo la votación en la Cámara de ese proyecto que protege a los niños de los delitos en línea, llamado Proyecto Contra la Adultización Infantil, ese nuevo término que surgió.",5238.66,5255.86,{"idx":4658,"utterance_id":4659,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4660,"start_s":4661,"end_s":4662,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},772,"207303","Su partido nuevo votó en contra, fue uno de los pocos partidos o el único partido que votó en contra.",5256.28,5262.48,{"idx":4664,"utterance_id":4665,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4666,"start_s":4667,"end_s":4668,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},773,"207304","ese proyecto en la Cámara.",5263.22,5264.58,{"idx":4670,"utterance_id":4671,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4672,"start_s":4673,"end_s":4674,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},774,"207305","¿Está usted de acuerdo con esa posición de su partido?",5264.8,5267.5,{"idx":4676,"utterance_id":4677,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4678,"start_s":4679,"end_s":4680,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},775,"207306","¿Realmente cree usted que ese proyecto es malo, que no debería aprobarse?",5267.54,5271.88,{"idx":4682,"utterance_id":4683,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4684,"start_s":4685,"end_s":4686,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},776,"207307","¿El proyecto es sobre eso, no quedó claro?",5271.96,5274.16,{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},777,"207308","Aquel que se llama ECA Digital, que es para proteger a los niños de la explotación sexual en línea.",5274.18,5282.42,{"idx":4694,"utterance_id":4695,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":230,"start_s":4696,"end_s":4697,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},778,"207309",5282.92,5283.02,{"idx":4699,"utterance_id":4700,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4701,"start_s":4702,"end_s":4703,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},779,"207310","Después de que ese youtuber hizo ese video que se volvió viral, ¿no?",5283.46,5286.4,{"idx":4705,"utterance_id":4706,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1220,"start_s":4707,"end_s":4708,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},780,"207311",5286.64,5287.22,{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},781,"207312","Fábio, tengo la opinión —y el partido también— de lo siguiente.",5288.84,5292.42,{"idx":4716,"utterance_id":4717,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4718,"start_s":4719,"end_s":4720,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},782,"207313","que cualquier comunicación pública en redes sociales, en radio, en TV, en cualquier medio, que contenga racismo, que contenga pedofilia, que creo que entra en esa situación, es un contenido que debe ser eliminado.",5293.06,5310.82,{"idx":4722,"utterance_id":4723,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4724,"start_s":4725,"end_s":4726,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},783,"207314","Ahora, si el partido procedió de esa manera, según me informaron, es porque el proyecto generalmente incorpora varios temas.",5311.44,5321.44,{"idx":4728,"utterance_id":4729,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4730,"start_s":4731,"end_s":4732,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},784,"207315","extra que modifican otras cosas para beneficiar a alguien.",5321.98,5326.2,{"idx":4734,"utterance_id":4735,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4736,"start_s":4737,"end_s":4738,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},785,"207316","Entonces, nuestra posición es realmente evitar la exposición de niños en situaciones pornográficas, por así decirlo.",5326.84,5336.68,{"idx":4740,"utterance_id":4741,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4742,"start_s":4743,"end_s":4744,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},786,"207317","Eso es claramente pedofilia para mí y también para el partido.",5337.12,5341.38,{"idx":4746,"utterance_id":4747,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4748,"start_s":4749,"end_s":4750,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},787,"207318","Pero entonces, ¿por qué votar en contra, gobernador?",5341.44,5343.28,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},"207319","Tomemos el proyecto completo.",5344.16,5345.74,{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4759,"start_s":4760,"end_s":4761,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},789,"207320","Que yo sepa, no versa sólo sobre eso.",5346.12,5348.36,{"idx":4763,"utterance_id":4764,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4765,"start_s":4766,"end_s":4767,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},790,"207321","Hay allí varios... jabutis u otras cosas, que al final acabas teniendo la vergüenza de decir que votaste en contra, pero que van a posibilitar una serie de otras cuestiones.",5348.48,5364.4,{"idx":4769,"utterance_id":4770,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4771,"start_s":4772,"end_s":4773,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},791,"207322","Eso en el partido ha sido recurrente.",5364.82,5366.96,{"idx":4775,"utterance_id":4776,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4777,"start_s":4778,"end_s":4779,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},792,"207323","Nuestro legislativo debía, en esos casos, limitar el alcance del proyecto de ley.",5367.52,5374.62,{"idx":4781,"utterance_id":4782,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4783,"start_s":4784,"end_s":4785,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},793,"207324","Hay proyectos de ley que van con... un propósito, votar sobre la preservación ambiental de determinada área, y ponen allí una serie de jabutis con temas que no tienen nada que ver.",5375.06,5388.26,{"idx":4787,"utterance_id":4788,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4789,"start_s":4790,"end_s":4791,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},794,"207325","Y el partido, como es criterioso, considera el conjunto.",5388.68,5392.26,{"idx":4793,"utterance_id":4794,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4795,"start_s":4796,"end_s":4797,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},795,"207326","Pero esa es nuestra posición.",5392.56,5394.3,{"idx":4799,"utterance_id":4800,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4801,"start_s":4802,"end_s":4803,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},796,"207327","Y creo que el partido, incluso, ya se ha pronunciado.",5394.34,5396.62,{"idx":4805,"utterance_id":4806,"speaker_name":69,"text":4807,"start_s":4808,"end_s":4809,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},797,"207328","Edilene.",5397.36,5397.8,{"idx":4811,"utterance_id":4812,"speaker_name":69,"text":4813,"start_s":4814,"end_s":4815,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},798,"207329","Gobernador, hoy el presidente del PL, Valdemar da Costa Neto, en una entrevista, hizo una declaración comparando al expresidente Jair Bolsonaro con el Che Guevara, quien es un líder mundialmente conocido de la izquierda.",5398.22,5407.7,{"idx":4817,"utterance_id":4818,"speaker_name":69,"text":4819,"start_s":4820,"end_s":4821,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},799,"207330","¿Cuál fue su reacción cuando escuchó ese tipo de 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creo que es una comparación injusta de Valdemar, desafortunada; creo que Bolsonaro no tiene nada que ver con el historial del Che Guevara, ni en posicionamiento ideológico y mucho menos en relación con sus acciones.",5438.84,5455.08,{"idx":4847,"utterance_id":4848,"speaker_name":69,"text":4849,"start_s":4850,"end_s":4851,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},804,"207335","Berta.",5455.82,5456.24,{"idx":4853,"utterance_id":4854,"speaker_name":69,"text":4855,"start_s":4856,"end_s":4857,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},805,"207336","Gobernador, se ha hablado mucho esta semana sobre la posibilidad de que el vicegobernador Matheus Simões se afilie al PSD.",5456.26,5468.68,{"idx":4859,"utterance_id":4860,"speaker_name":69,"text":4861,"start_s":4862,"end_s":4863,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},806,"207337","¿Usted está siguiendo esas 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meses.",5485.5,5509.88,{"idx":4883,"utterance_id":4884,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4885,"start_s":4886,"end_s":4887,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},810,"207341","Dependerá mucho de ese contexto electoral que se está formando de cara a 2026.",5510.42,5515.48,{"idx":4889,"utterance_id":4890,"speaker_name":69,"text":4891,"start_s":4892,"end_s":4893,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},811,"207342","Gobernador, no quería terminar sin hablar un poco de Mariana y Brumadinho.",5516.76,5521.08,{"idx":4895,"utterance_id":4896,"speaker_name":69,"text":4897,"start_s":4898,"end_s":4899,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},812,"207343","Los efectos aún se hacen sentir en las comunidades que fueron azotadas por esos desastres, esas tragedias ambientales.",5521.36,5529.24,{"idx":4901,"utterance_id":4902,"speaker_name":69,"text":4903,"start_s":4904,"end_s":4905,"word_count":372,"indexable":74},813,"207344","Quisiera saber cómo están los acuerdos para... resarcir a las víctimas, en fin, cómo ha avanzado eso, y si usted considera que hoy la legislación ambiental de Minas evitaría una nueva tragedia como esa, dado que mucha gente cree que es muy permisiva con las mineras.",5530.2,5553.38,{"idx":4907,"utterance_id":4908,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4909,"start_s":4910,"end_s":4911,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},814,"207345","Cuando ocurrió la tragedia de Brumadinho, el 25 de enero de 2019, dije que sería el último gobernador de Minas en enfrentar ese tipo de tragedia que ya se había repetido varias veces en el pasado.",5554.8,5572.32,{"idx":4913,"utterance_id":4914,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4915,"start_s":4916,"end_s":4917,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},815,"207346","Desde entonces se aprobó la ley Mar de Lama Nunca Mais; de las 53 represas construidas río arriba que ofrecían algún tipo de riesgo, 17 ya no existen 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empresa con la mayor cifra de la historia hasta ese momento, 37,5 mil millones de reales.",5608.62,5624.8,{"idx":4943,"utterance_id":4944,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4945,"start_s":4946,"end_s":4947,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},820,"207351","Cero para las arcas públicas de Minas Gerais.",5625.74,5628.98,{"idx":4949,"utterance_id":4950,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4951,"start_s":4952,"end_s":4953,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},821,"207352","Todo destinado a reparar, a compensar a los afectados, a las víctimas, etc.",5629.62,5637.36,{"idx":4955,"utterance_id":4956,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4957,"start_s":4958,"end_s":4959,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},822,"207353","Y hoy tenemos un sitio... se elaboró un control por la Fundação Getúlio Vargas, donde todas las acciones de compensación, de reparación, las obras que fueron decididas vía audiencias públicas, no fue nada impuesto, pueden seguirse con un 100% de 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