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buenas noches.",17.34,18.46,3,false,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1,"205264","Sean muy bienvenidos a Roda Viva.",18.52,20.34,6,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":69,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},2,"205265","Estamos en vivo para todo Brasil por TV Cultura y sus emisoras afiliadas, conectados con todo el mundo a través de las principales plataformas digitales.",20.7,30.5,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":89,"speaker_name":69,"text":90,"start_s":91,"end_s":92,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},"205266","Mientras en la derecha se discute quién será el heredero de los votos de Jair Bolsonaro, nuestro entrevistado de hoy prefirió no quedarse parado a la espera, a la espera de una unción del expresidente.",31.22,45.44,31,{"idx":95,"utterance_id":96,"speaker_name":69,"text":97,"start_s":98,"end_s":99,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},4,"205267","Está inelegible, responde a un proceso por intento de golpe de Estado.",46.1,50.6,12,{"idx":102,"utterance_id":103,"speaker_name":69,"text":104,"start_s":105,"end_s":106,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},5,"205268","Salió al campo para intentar construir una candidatura que una a las siglas del centro a la derecha.",51.24,57.76,17,{"idx":81,"utterance_id":109,"speaker_name":69,"text":110,"start_s":111,"end_s":112,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},"205269","En el camino, ha hecho gestos al bolsonarismo, al defender abiertamente la amnistía a los condenados del 8 de enero y a los demás precandidatos, al proponer un acuerdo que pone fin a la posibilidad de reelección.",58.28,72.5,34,{"idx":115,"utterance_id":116,"speaker_name":69,"text":117,"start_s":118,"end_s":119,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},7,"205270","Pero su pretensión choca no solo con esa deliberada interdicción del debate por parte de Bolsonaro, sino también con la indefinición de su propio partido, União Progressista do Brasil, que aún mantiene espacios en el gobierno de Lula.",73.1,89.56,35,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":123,"speaker_name":69,"text":124,"start_s":125,"end_s":126,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},8,"205271","En el programa de hoy, vamos repasar la defensa de una línea dura en seguridad, una de las claves de su discurso, y los indicadores del Estado que gobierna, en la recta final de su segundo mandato.",90.24,103.28,37,{"idx":129,"utterance_id":130,"speaker_name":69,"text":131,"start_s":132,"end_s":133,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},9,"205272","En el centro de Roda Viva hoy está el gobernador de Goiás, Ronaldo Caiado.",103.7,107.72,13,{"idx":4,"utterance_id":136,"speaker_name":69,"text":137,"start_s":138,"end_s":139,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},"205273","Ronaldo Ramos Caiado nació el 25 de septiembre de 1949 en Anápolis, en el interior de Goiás.",112.08,119.16,16,{"idx":142,"utterance_id":143,"speaker_name":69,"text":144,"start_s":145,"end_s":146,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},11,"205274","Se formó en medicina con 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no?",935.78,936.92,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":69,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},192,"205455","Sí, ¿el expresidente Bolsonaro intentó dar un golpe o no?",937.46,940.4,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},193,"205456","No se gobierna, joven, en la subjetividad.",940.66,944.92,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1221,"start_s":1222,"end_s":1223,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},194,"205457","Se gobierna con hechos concretos.",946.76,948.5,{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},195,"205458","La subjetividad abarca muchas 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El juez dice: \"mira, dadas las condiciones de la prisión, esto o aquello, debe ser puesto en libertad\".",1215.44,1223.22,{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},253,"205516","¿Qué le transmite usted a su hijo?",1223.74,1226.22,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":69,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},254,"205517","Pero la cuestión no es si usted está de acuerdo o no.",1226.82,1229.66,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":69,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},255,"205518","Usted dijo que no habría cumplido una decisión de la justicia.",1230.08,1232.82,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":69,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},256,"205519","Cumplir o no una decisión de la 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Justicia?",1272.56,1275.32,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},269,"205532","¿No tiene la corregiduría?",1275.96,1277.5,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},270,"205533","Vaya, eso fue una decisión de la justicia.",1278.56,1280.38,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},271,"205534","Eso es una manera de acomodar a quienes están involucrados con el crimen.",1280.68,1285.24,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},272,"205535","El crimen no está restringido únicamente a los miembros de las facciones.",1286.1,1289.16,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},273,"205536","El crimen está invadiendo los poderes de la República.",1289.86,1292.56,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},274,"205537","Gobernador, ¿está bien?",1292.62,1293.78,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},275,"205538","Bueno, esa es la gran verdad.",1294.06,1295.58,{"idx":1705,"utterance_id":1706,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1707,"start_s":1708,"end_s":1709,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},276,"205539","El crimen hoy está invadiendo a las 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personas.",1312.32,1318.16,{"idx":1735,"utterance_id":1736,"speaker_name":69,"text":1180,"start_s":1737,"end_s":1738,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},281,"205544",1318.28,1320.6,{"idx":1740,"utterance_id":1741,"speaker_name":69,"text":1742,"start_s":1743,"end_s":1744,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},282,"205545","Bueno, por la primera ronda de respuestas suyas, ya es suficiente.",1321.66,1324.98,{"idx":1746,"utterance_id":1747,"speaker_name":69,"text":1748,"start_s":1749,"end_s":1750,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},283,"205546","Usted ha dejado aún más clara una característica suya, que es la mano firme en la forma en que gobierna; eso está claro.",1325.22,1332.96,{"idx":1752,"utterance_id":1753,"speaker_name":69,"text":1754,"start_s":1755,"end_s":1756,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},284,"205547","Hace un mes, el 5 de mayo, usted participó en un evento en la Fundación Fernando Henrique Cardoso, aquí en São Paulo, donde usted dijo que el presidencialismo está destruido en Brasil.",1333.56,1340.56,{"idx":1758,"utterance_id":1759,"speaker_name":69,"text":1760,"start_s":1761,"end_s":1762,"word_count":301,"indexable":74},285,"205548","¿Cómo va a ser usted, ese presidente que dice que será mano firme contra el crimen, poniendo agenda, permitiendo la amnistía y sin tener ningún problema con el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), si el presidencialismo está destruido?",1341.08,1352.08,{"idx":1764,"utterance_id":1765,"speaker_name":69,"text":1766,"start_s":1767,"end_s":1768,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},286,"205549","Lógico.",1353.04,1353.36,{"idx":1770,"utterance_id":1771,"speaker_name":69,"text":1772,"start_s":1773,"end_s":1774,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},287,"205550","Si no hay presidente...",1353.88,1355,{"idx":1776,"utterance_id":1777,"speaker_name":69,"text":1778,"start_s":1779,"end_s":1780,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},288,"205551","¿Pero es solo por eso que el presidencialismo está destruido?",1355.02,1357.78,{"idx":1782,"utterance_id":1783,"speaker_name":69,"text":1784,"start_s":1785,"end_s":1786,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},289,"205552","Porque cuando ya dijo que el presidencialismo estaba destruido, era porque el Congreso Nacional había tomado mucho poder con las enmiendas parlamentarias.",1357.8,1364.48,{"idx":1788,"utterance_id":1789,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1790,"start_s":1791,"end_s":1792,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},290,"205553","Preste atención: quien hace el cargo, ¿está bien?",1364.58,1369.4,{"idx":1794,"utterance_id":1795,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1796,"start_s":1797,"end_s":1798,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},291,"205554","Es el hombre que lo ocupa, o la mujer, sea quien sea, quien hace el cargo.",1369.62,1374.38,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":69,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},"205555","No, son las leyes y la Constitución, ¿no?",1375.08,1377.06,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},293,"205556","¿Vas a ser un presidente blandengue, Yuri?",1377.3,1379.14,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},294,"205557","¿Un presidente blandengue?",1379.16,1380.14,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},295,"205558","Creo que no voy a ser presidente.",1380.16,1383.6,{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},296,"205559","¿Un presidente amorfo?",1384.32,1386.18,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},297,"205560","¿Que no tiene ni sal ni dulce ni nada?",1387.94,1391.04,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},298,"205561","¿Es un presidente de dieta para cardíacos?",1391.24,1394.32,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},299,"205562","¿Es eso, Yuri?",1394.42,1395.12,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},300,"205563","No sabes para qué estás sentado en esa silla.",1397.14,1401,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":69,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},301,"205564","¿Para qué?",1401.06,1401.44,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},302,"205565","¿Pero usted no es el presidente de la República?",1401.86,1403.72,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},"205566","Tiene que convocar al presidente del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), al presidente del Congreso Nacional, al Tribunal de Cuentas de la Unión, y tener la madurez de sentarse con ellos y discutir los problemas nacionales.",1404.42,1414.48,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},304,"205567","No es mandar recados a uno, recados a otro, no.",1414.96,1417.92,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},305,"205568","Es cara a cara, en las horas más difíciles.",1418.72,1422.52,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},306,"205569","Tuve el coraje de ser el primer gobernador del país en dictar el decreto de aislamiento social durante la Covid.",1423.64,1431.1,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},307,"205570","Fue el primero en tener el coraje de hacer eso.",1431.82,1434.28,{"idx":1894,"utterance_id":1895,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1896,"start_s":1897,"end_s":1898,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},308,"205571","Ronaldo Caiado.",1434.3,1435.02,{"idx":1900,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},309,"205572","Entonces, las posiciones son claras.",1436.1,1438.26,{"idx":1906,"utterance_id":1907,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1908,"start_s":1909,"end_s":1910,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},310,"205573","Soy médico, soy cirujano, tengo que cuidar vidas, salvar vidas.",1439.18,1443.26,{"idx":1912,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},311,"205574","Ahora, el presidencialismo no admite a la persona amorfa, ese ciudadano que usted no sabe qué es. Es una viúva porcina sin haberlo sido.",1444.04,1456.56,{"idx":1918,"utterance_id":1919,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1920,"start_s":1921,"end_s":1922,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},312,"205575","Entonces, no se puede gobernar con ese tipo de comando de gobierno.",1456.94,1461.82,{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},313,"205576","Ahí sí.",1462.58,1463.08,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},314,"205577","¿Quién es el que destruye el presidencialismo?",1463.64,1465.58,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},315,"205578","La ausencia del presidente.",1465.64,1467.06,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},316,"205579","En ausencia del presidente, los otros poderes se apoderan del gobierno.",1467.66,1472.92,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},317,"205580","Y se anula al presidente de la República.",1474.26,1475.5,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":69,"text":1956,"start_s":1957,"end_s":1958,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},318,"205581","¿Desde cuándo está sucediendo esto aquí en Brasil?",1475.52,1477.02,{"idx":1960,"utterance_id":1961,"speaker_name":69,"text":1962,"start_s":1963,"end_s":1964,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},319,"205582","Solo rápidamente: ¿desde cuándo... la silla presidencial, entonces, está en esas condiciones?",1477.98,1482.4,{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},320,"205583","Está presenciando ahora un colapso completo.",1482.42,1484.8,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},321,"205584","Ya no hay nada más, usted no ve nada más.",1484.98,1485.88,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":69,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},322,"205585","Pero ¿es solo eso, el gobierno o también gobiernos anteriores?",1485.9,1487.6,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},323,"205586","No, pero hay discusiones.",1487.66,1488.78,{"idx":1990,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1992,"start_s":1993,"end_s":1994,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},324,"205587","No, si fuéramos a rescatar...",1488.82,1490.94,{"idx":1996,"utterance_id":1997,"speaker_name":69,"text":1998,"start_s":1999,"end_s":2000,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},325,"205588","¿Cuál fue el último presidente?",1490.96,1491.98,{"idx":2002,"utterance_id":2003,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2004,"start_s":2005,"end_s":2006,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},326,"205589","Un gran estadista.",1492.3,1493.46,{"idx":2008,"utterance_id":2009,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2010,"start_s":2011,"end_s":2012,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},327,"205590","Volvamos a la historia.",1493.68,1494.8,{"idx":2014,"utterance_id":2015,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2016,"start_s":2017,"end_s":2018,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},328,"205591","Si vamos a rescatar a un gran estadista, después de Juscelino Kubitschek, realmente deja mucho que desear.",1495.1,1500.7,{"idx":2020,"utterance_id":2021,"speaker_name":69,"text":2022,"start_s":2023,"end_s":2024,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},329,"205592","Hace tiempo.",1500.82,1501.54,{"idx":2026,"utterance_id":2027,"speaker_name":69,"text":2028,"start_s":2029,"end_s":2030,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},330,"205593","Nos vamos al intervalo ahora.",1501.62,1503.14,{"idx":2032,"utterance_id":2033,"speaker_name":69,"text":2034,"start_s":2035,"end_s":2036,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},331,"205594","Han visto que el programa está muy intenso, así que es momento para que todos tomen agua y sigamos aquí.",1503.18,1507.7,{"idx":2038,"utterance_id":2039,"speaker_name":69,"text":2040,"start_s":2041,"end_s":2042,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},332,"205595","En Roda Viva con Reinaldo Caia.",1508.1,1509.88,{"idx":2044,"utterance_id":2045,"speaker_name":69,"text":2046,"start_s":2047,"end_s":2048,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},333,"205596","Innovación que conecta.",1523.94,1525.44,{"idx":2050,"utterance_id":2051,"speaker_name":69,"text":2052,"start_s":2053,"end_s":2054,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},334,"205597","Bradesco.",1526.34,1526.96,{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":69,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},335,"205598","Estamos de vuelta con Roda Viva, que hoy recibe al gobernador de Goiás, Ronaldo Caiado.",1540.34,1546.38,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":69,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},336,"205599","Gobernador, quisiera entender esa idea suya sobre el fin de la reelección, porque parece un gesto hacia los demás precandidatos de la derecha.",1546.7,1554.3,{"idx":2068,"utterance_id":2069,"speaker_name":69,"text":2070,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},337,"205600","Usted ha dicho esto abiertamente, que sería un gobierno, como usted dice, de transición, de emergencia, y que no se presentaría a un nuevo mandato.",1554.5,1562.78,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":69,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},338,"205601","Sabemos que hay una PEC en ese sentido en el Congreso, pero que solo vale para 2030.",1562.84,1568.4,{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":69,"text":2082,"start_s":2083,"end_s":2084,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},339,"205602","¿Cómo creer que usted cumpliría ese acuerdo si, digamos, los demás precandidatos acabaran aceptando la idea de apoyarlo en nombre de un solo mandato?",1569.24,1582.06,{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},340,"205603","Tiene toda la razón al formular esa pregunta, incluso porque muchos ya han señalado que, después de asumir el poder, realmente quedan allí anestesiados por todo el séquito que los acompaña en el día a día.",1582.6,1598.3,{"idx":2092,"utterance_id":2093,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2094,"start_s":2095,"end_s":2096,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},341,"205604","y quedan imantados por el poder y a veces no tienen noción de lo que Brasil está viviendo.",1599.32,1607.88,{"idx":2098,"utterance_id":2099,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2100,"start_s":2101,"end_s":2102,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},342,"205605","Un presidente de la República, en este momento, tendrá que hacer un análisis profundo de cómo va a gobernar.",1608.06,1617.6,{"idx":2104,"utterance_id":2105,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2106,"start_s":2107,"end_s":2108,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},343,"205606","Si la centroderecha pierde el gobierno central en 2026, nos encaminamos hacia una venezuelización.",1619.78,1629.34,{"idx":2110,"utterance_id":2111,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2112,"start_s":2113,"end_s":2114,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},344,"205607","En todas las acciones del gobierno federal.",1629.78,1631.42,{"idx":2116,"utterance_id":2117,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2118,"start_s":2119,"end_s":2120,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},345,"205608","Todas.",1631.88,1632.24,{"idx":2122,"utterance_id":2123,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2124,"start_s":2125,"end_s":2126,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},346,"205609","Podemos discutir esto después.",1632.54,1633.76,{"idx":2128,"utterance_id":2129,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2130,"start_s":2131,"end_s":2132,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},347,"205610","Si un candidato de la centroderecha gana las elecciones, debe demostrar para qué vino.",1635.08,1641.38,{"idx":2134,"utterance_id":2135,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2136,"start_s":2137,"end_s":2138,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},348,"205611","Y para eso no puede, en ningún momento, ni por una hora, ni por un minuto, ni por un día, pensar en la posibilidad de ser candidato a la reelección.",1642.64,1650.76,{"idx":2140,"utterance_id":2141,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2142,"start_s":2143,"end_s":2144,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},349,"205612","Sus medidas deben ser medidas orientadas a poder rescatar.",1651.7,1656.4,{"idx":2146,"utterance_id":2147,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2148,"start_s":2149,"end_s":2150,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},350,"205613","Un país que ha sido duramente castigado por la corrupción, por la violencia, por la incompetencia, por la connivencia.",1657,1666.94,{"idx":2152,"utterance_id":2153,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2154,"start_s":2155,"end_s":2156,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},351,"205614","Todo eso debe ser afrontado con medidas duras por quien tenga la autoridad moral.",1668.32,1673.44,{"idx":2158,"utterance_id":2159,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2160,"start_s":2161,"end_s":2162,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},352,"205615","Porque si quien llega allí es un apoderado de alguien, o portavoz de quienes lo eligieron no por voluntad popular, no va a gobernar.",1674.28,1684.98,{"idx":2164,"utterance_id":2165,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2166,"start_s":2167,"end_s":2168,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},353,"205616","Entonces, esta elección para mí es un punto de inflexión.",1685.9,1689.18,{"idx":2170,"utterance_id":2171,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2172,"start_s":2173,"end_s":2174,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},354,"205617","Así es como entiendo esta elección.",1690.18,1691.52,{"idx":2176,"utterance_id":2177,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2178,"start_s":2179,"end_s":2180,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},355,"205618","Esta elección ya no es una más, es la elección.",1691.56,1694.72,{"idx":2182,"utterance_id":2183,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2184,"start_s":2185,"end_s":2186,"word_count":472,"indexable":74},356,"205619","Es la elección en la que sabremos si Brasil va hacia la modernidad, hacia el avance en tecnología, innovación, inteligencia artificial, investigación, educación de calidad o... si vamos exactamente hacia una situación de seguir instrumentalizando la pobreza cada vez más, debilitando cada vez más la educación, convirtiéndonos cada vez más en un país dependiente de otros, simplemente importador de tecnología, que no desarrolla nada aquí en el país.",1695.74,1726.9,{"idx":2188,"utterance_id":2189,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2190,"start_s":2191,"end_s":2192,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},357,"205620","Diga más sobre eso.",1727.04,1728.04,{"idx":2194,"utterance_id":2195,"speaker_name":69,"text":2196,"start_s":2197,"end_s":2198,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},358,"205621","Él lo había pedido; luego pueden...",1728.4,1729.78,{"idx":2200,"utterance_id":2201,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2202,"start_s":2203,"end_s":2204,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},359,"205622","Usted, en el bloque anterior, dijo que la primera acción será la amnistía.",1729.94,1735.14,{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},360,"205623","¿Eso puede derribar decisiones del Supremo?",1735.66,1738.22,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},361,"205624","¿Usted cree que el Senado... ¿Qué podría ser?",1739.4,1740.68,{"idx":2218,"utterance_id":2219,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2220,"start_s":2221,"end_s":2222,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},362,"205625","Eso, con su amnistía, desafiará decisiones del Supremo.",1741.44,1745.66,{"idx":2224,"utterance_id":2225,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2226,"start_s":2227,"end_s":2228,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},363,"205626","Posibles condenas que ocurran ahora.",1746.38,1748.24,{"idx":2230,"utterance_id":2231,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2232,"start_s":2233,"end_s":2234,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},364,"205627","No será decisión del Supremo.",1748.26,1748.92,{"idx":2236,"utterance_id":2237,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2238,"start_s":2239,"end_s":2240,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},365,"205628","La decisión del Supremo no es soberana.",1749.2,1750.98,{"idx":2242,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},366,"205629","No, déjeme completar.",1751.26,1752.94,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},367,"205630","La Constitución brasileña le da al presidente esa prerrogativa, ¿cierto?",1752.96,1755.16,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},368,"205631","Déjeme completar la cuestión.",1755.18,1756.46,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},369,"205632","Entonces, todo bien.",1756.5,1757,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},370,"205633","Entonces, estaría ejerciendo, no estoy usurpando una prerrogativa del Supremo.",1757.04,1763.74,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},371,"205634","El presidente tiene esa prerrogativa.",1764.84,1766.46,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},372,"205635","Es solo por una cuestión política de relación entre los poderes.",1766.66,1769.82,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},373,"205636","¿Cree usted que el Senado debe actuar más en la limitación de los poderes del Supremo?",1770.24,1775.1,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},374,"205637","¿Cuál es su opinión hoy sobre la actuación del Supremo?",1775.36,1777.8,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},375,"205638","¿Sobre la actuación del Supremo?",1778.56,1779.74,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},376,"205639","Lo defiendo; es una posición mía personal, pero tuve la oportunidad de exponerlo cuando fui senador de la República, en mi mandato.",1781.42,1790.12,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},377,"205640","Creo que eso le da un perfil al Supremo que permite saber que la persona tiene inicio y fin de mandato.",1792.66,1801.7,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},378,"205641","La condición de la interinidad hasta los 75 años de edad hace que exista una situación no solo de acomodación, sino al mismo tiempo de ampliación de poderes y prerrogativas.",1803.7,1821.54,{"idx":2320,"utterance_id":2321,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2322,"start_s":2323,"end_s":2324,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},379,"205642","Veo que el mandato es mucho más, digamos, adecuado para el momento que estamos viviendo en Brasil.",1822.16,1830.68,{"idx":2326,"utterance_id":2327,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2328,"start_s":2329,"end_s":2330,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},380,"205643","El mandato: la persona cumplió su mandato; ahí está la vacante del otro, que solo será designado, que irá a ocupar el cargo del Supremo Tribunal Federal.",1831.06,1840.04,{"idx":2332,"utterance_id":2333,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2334,"start_s":2335,"end_s":2336,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},381,"205644","Ese es incluso mi pensamiento específico sobre este asunto.",1840.38,1843.22,{"idx":2338,"utterance_id":2339,"speaker_name":69,"text":2340,"start_s":2341,"end_s":2342,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},382,"205645","Débora y después Bianca.",1843.78,1845.56,{"idx":2344,"utterance_id":2345,"speaker_name":69,"text":2346,"start_s":2347,"end_s":2348,"word_count":367,"indexable":74},383,"205646","Gobernador, trayéndolo a los tiempos actuales, aún hablando sobre la disputa del electorado de Jair Bolsonaro, ¿cree usted que debería haber una presión para que el ex presidente no lleve la idea de postularse en la recta final, como hizo el presidente Lourinho XVIII, por el riesgo de perjudicar derechos?",1845.72,1864.34,{"idx":2350,"utterance_id":2351,"speaker_name":69,"text":2352,"start_s":2353,"end_s":2354,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},384,"205647","¿Usted respaldaría esa presión?",1864.36,1866.84,{"idx":2356,"utterance_id":2357,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2358,"start_s":2359,"end_s":2360,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},385,"205648","Mire... Débora, desde 1986 soy el opositor más longevo al PT en Brasil.",1868.8,1880.16,{"idx":2362,"utterance_id":2363,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2364,"start_s":2365,"end_s":2366,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},386,"205649","Que nunca claudiqué, ¿cierto?",1881.7,1885.62,{"idx":2368,"utterance_id":2369,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2370,"start_s":2371,"end_s":2372,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},387,"205650","Siempre he tenido una posición muy clara en mi vida, de principios.",1885.66,1889.1,{"idx":2374,"utterance_id":2375,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2376,"start_s":2377,"end_s":2378,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},388,"205651","Cuando defendí la libre iniciativa, la economía de mercado, el derecho de propiedad, nadie tuvo el coraje de defenderlos.",1890.12,1896.44,{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},389,"205652","Vine a defenderlo aquí, aquí. Roda Viva me dio, en 1986, la oportunidad de debatir este asunto.",1896.46,1904.44,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},390,"205653","En 1986 tenía 36 años de edad.",1904.46,1908.5,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},391,"205654","Vine aquí a debatir este asunto.",1909.22,1910.56,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},392,"205655","Y mira, eso es la belleza de la democracia.",1911.96,1914.44,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},393,"205656","Es exponer sus ideas.",1915.94,1917.96,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},394,"205657","Pues bien, al ex presidente Bolsonaro le corresponden sus decisiones.",1918.24,1923.72,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},395,"205658","Hay que respetar su decisión de carácter personal.",1926,1928.22,{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},396,"205659","Si él va a disputar la elección.",1929,1930.7,{"idx":2428,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},397,"205660","Así como lo hizo Lula, ¿cierto?",1931.26,1934.56,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},398,"205661","Es una decisión de carácter personal.",1934.58,1936.62,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},399,"205662","A mí, como aspirante, como precandidato a la presidencia de la República, ¿qué hice?",1937.02,1943.24,{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2448,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},400,"205663","El 4 de abril fui a Salvador, lancé mi precampaña y estoy recorriendo Brasil, llevando lo que hice, llevando mi pensamiento.",1944.08,1953.56,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},401,"205664","Teniendo la oportunidad de hoy estar aquí en Roda Viva, pudiendo hablar para todo Brasil hoy aquí, con casi dos horas de programa, sobre cada una de las ideas.",1955.08,1964.72,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},402,"205665","Entonces, vea, esa tesis de lo que va a pasar, eso para mí es algo que no me preocupa.",1965.54,1974.46,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},403,"205666","¿Por qué?",1974.92,1975.24,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},404,"205667","Porque tengo que hacer mi tarea.",1975.7,1978.22,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},405,"205668","Tengo todo el derecho a ser el candidato, a indicar su candidato.",1980.66,1984.06,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2484,"start_s":2485,"end_s":2486,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},406,"205669","Eso es prerrogativa suya.",1984.42,1985.68,{"idx":2488,"utterance_id":2489,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2490,"start_s":2491,"end_s":2492,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},407,"205670","No me corresponde a mí interferir en eso, intervenir en eso.",1985.96,1988.72,{"idx":2494,"utterance_id":2495,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2496,"start_s":2497,"end_s":2498,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},408,"205671","Ni siquiera tengo prerrogativa para eso.",1989.26,1990.6,{"idx":2500,"utterance_id":2501,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2502,"start_s":2503,"end_s":2504,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},409,"205672","Mi prerrogativa es andar.",1990.7,1991.9,{"idx":2506,"utterance_id":2507,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2508,"start_s":2509,"end_s":2510,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},410,"205673","Miren, ¿pueden ustedes creer en mí en 2026?",1992.58,1996.2,{"idx":2512,"utterance_id":2513,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2514,"start_s":2515,"end_s":2516,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},411,"205674","Podemos.",1996.4,1996.8,{"idx":2518,"utterance_id":2519,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2520,"start_s":2521,"end_s":2522,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},412,"205675","Entonces vamos a andar.",1996.82,1997.44,{"idx":2524,"utterance_id":2525,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2526,"start_s":2527,"end_s":2528,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},413,"205676","Soy una persona que nunca ha ocupado un cargo por nombramiento, siempre por concurso público.",1998.74,2004.06,{"idx":2530,"utterance_id":2531,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2532,"start_s":2533,"end_s":2534,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},414,"205677","En toda mi vida no he ocupado ningún cargo por nombramiento, solo por concurso público.",2004.18,2008.14,{"idx":2536,"utterance_id":2537,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2538,"start_s":2539,"end_s":2540,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},415,"205678","Así que nunca fui un candidato apadrinado, ni nunca fui candidato a la sombra de nadie.",2008.62,2015.6,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},416,"205679","Soy una persona que ha enfrentado la política toda la vida.",2016.64,2020.56,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2550,"start_s":2551,"end_s":2552,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},417,"205680","Tengo humildad, perdí una elección en el 89 para el presidente, perdí una elección en el 94 para el gobernador.",2021.1,2026.82,{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},418,"205681","Y, sin embargo, acumule seis victorias en el Congreso, dos victorias en primera vuelta para la gobernación del Estado.",2027.32,2033.22,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2562,"start_s":2563,"end_s":2564,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},419,"205682","Entonces, soy una persona que respeta las reglas democráticas, respeto la legislación electoral y entiendo que en la primera vuelta pueden surgir varios candidatos.",2033.44,2043.44,{"idx":2566,"utterance_id":2567,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2568,"start_s":2569,"end_s":2570,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},420,"205683","Probablemente, con Lula desintegrándose como se está desintegrando, ¿pero muchos candidatos no muestran también una derecha dividida?",2044.7,2053.72,{"idx":2572,"utterance_id":2573,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2574,"start_s":2575,"end_s":2576,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},421,"205684","Sí, pero por eso hay primera vuelta, Débora.",2054.2,2056.48,{"idx":2578,"utterance_id":2579,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2580,"start_s":2581,"end_s":2582,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},422,"205685","Si no, se terminaría la primera vuelta.",2057.82,2059.74,{"idx":2584,"utterance_id":2585,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2586,"start_s":2587,"end_s":2588,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},423,"205686","La primera vuelta existe exactamente para eso.",2060.26,2062.7,{"idx":2590,"utterance_id":2591,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2592,"start_s":2593,"end_s":2594,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},424,"205687","¿Va a haber un solo candidato en la primera vuelta?",2063.34,2065.26,{"idx":2596,"utterance_id":2597,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2598,"start_s":2599,"end_s":2600,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},425,"205688","Mire, no hay una lógica política para eso.",2065.92,2068.76,{"idx":2602,"utterance_id":2603,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2604,"start_s":2605,"end_s":2606,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},426,"205689","Usted tiene una lógica cuando hay una segunda vuelta, donde cada uno tiene, por ejemplo.",2068.78,2074.72,{"idx":2608,"utterance_id":2609,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2610,"start_s":2611,"end_s":2612,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},427,"205690","Yo la tengo en varias regiones del país.",2074.98,2077.54,{"idx":2614,"utterance_id":2615,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2616,"start_s":2617,"end_s":2618,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},428,"205691","Quizá un apoyo más que el otro tenga.",2078.34,2080.5,{"idx":2620,"utterance_id":2621,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2622,"start_s":2623,"end_s":2624,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},429,"205692","O quizá el otro tenga más en la región sur o sureste, más de lo que yo tengo.",2081.3,2085.76,{"idx":2626,"utterance_id":2627,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2628,"start_s":2629,"end_s":2630,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},430,"205693","Pero no existe un candidato que tenga esa densidad electoral en su conjunto.",2085.84,2090.68,{"idx":2632,"utterance_id":2633,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2634,"start_s":2635,"end_s":2636,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},431,"205694","Entonces, varios partidos podrán presentar a sus candidatos.",2091.06,2093.7,{"idx":2638,"utterance_id":2639,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2640,"start_s":2641,"end_s":2642,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},432,"205695","Quien tenga más capacidad para llegar al pueblo, quien tenga más capacidad de argumentación, de mostrar lo que hizo y lo que puede hacer, ese candidato puede llegar a la segunda vuelta.",2094.24,2105.44,{"idx":2644,"utterance_id":2645,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2646,"start_s":2647,"end_s":2648,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},433,"205696","Creo que no quiero que sea yo.",2105.74,2107.12,{"idx":2650,"utterance_id":2651,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2652,"start_s":2653,"end_s":2654,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},434,"205697","Ahora, llegado ese momento, ¿en quién votarán los demás?",2107.56,2110.16,{"idx":2656,"utterance_id":2657,"speaker_name":69,"text":2658,"start_s":2659,"end_s":2660,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},435,"205698","Existe una convergencia de principios.",2111.16,2113.88,{"idx":2662,"utterance_id":2663,"speaker_name":69,"text":2664,"start_s":2665,"end_s":2666,"word_count":295,"indexable":74},436,"205699","Gobernador, usted ya ha hecho varias críticas aquí al presidente Lula, pero me gustaría saber cómo le explica a su elector cómo usted critica a un gobierno del que su partido forma parte.",2114.66,2126.9,{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":255,"start_s":2670,"end_s":2671,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},437,"205700",2127.44,2128.06,{"idx":2673,"utterance_id":2674,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2675,"start_s":2676,"end_s":2677,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},438,"205701","Eso no es una excepción a la Unión Progresista.",2128.62,2132.7,{"idx":2679,"utterance_id":2680,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2681,"start_s":2682,"end_s":2683,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},439,"205702","Si usted lo va a buscar, ¿cierto?",2133.54,2135.86,{"idx":2685,"utterance_id":2686,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2687,"start_s":2688,"end_s":2689,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},440,"205703","Ellos ya han participado en muchas cosas.",2136.38,2138.44,{"idx":2691,"utterance_id":2692,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2693,"start_s":2694,"end_s":2695,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},441,"205704","Muchos partidos ya han tenido presencia en gobiernos que ni siquiera se consolidaron al final.",2139.98,2145.2,{"idx":2697,"utterance_id":2698,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2699,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},442,"205705","Yo conviví durante muchos años en el Congreso Nacional.",2146.06,2148.56,{"idx":2703,"utterance_id":2704,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2705,"start_s":2706,"end_s":2707,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},443,"205706","Cuando uno convive en el Congreso, hay que entender que se está allí con una Cámara que representa al pueblo brasileño.",2149.9,2157.62,{"idx":2709,"utterance_id":2710,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2711,"start_s":2712,"end_s":2713,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},444,"205707","Nosotros, gobernantes, tenemos allí la mitad más uno de los votos para ser elegidos.",2158.7,2163.54,{"idx":2715,"utterance_id":2716,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2717,"start_s":2718,"end_s":2719,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},445,"205708","El Congreso Nacional, la Cámara de Diputados, representa la totalidad de los votos.",2164.6,2168.76,{"idx":2721,"utterance_id":2722,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2723,"start_s":2724,"end_s":2725,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},446,"205709","Entonces, allí se constituye la Cámara.",2169.64,2171.1,{"idx":2727,"utterance_id":2728,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2729,"start_s":2730,"end_s":2731,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},447,"205710","Cada Estado tiene una tendencia.",2171.54,2173.98,{"idx":2733,"utterance_id":2734,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2735,"start_s":2736,"end_s":2737,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},448,"205711","Entonces, en algunos Estados, hay diputados y senadores que fueron elegidos bajo la influencia del PT.",2175.1,2181.38,{"idx":2739,"utterance_id":2740,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":865,"start_s":2741,"end_s":2742,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},449,"205712",2183.78,2184.2,{"idx":2744,"utterance_id":2745,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2746,"start_s":2747,"end_s":2748,"word_count":325,"indexable":74},450,"205713","Entonces, si usted toma Pará, si toma Maranhão, si toma Río Grande del Norte, si toma Bahía... entonces tiene dentro del partido diputados que vinieron de una región donde el PT tiene influencia de votos.",2184.6,2198.86,{"idx":2750,"utterance_id":2751,"speaker_name":69,"text":2752,"start_s":2753,"end_s":2754,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},451,"205714","Pero si el partido tiene un proyecto propio, ¿no sería el caso de entregar esos cargos?",2199,2202.5,{"idx":2756,"utterance_id":2757,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2758,"start_s":2759,"end_s":2760,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},452,"205715","Sí, pero esa decisión es importante; solo se decidirá entre los días 16 de julio de 2026 y el 5 de agosto de 2026.",2202.52,2214.46,{"idx":2762,"utterance_id":2763,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2764,"start_s":2765,"end_s":2766,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},453,"205716","Eso se llama convención partidaria.",2215.36,2217.82,{"idx":2768,"utterance_id":2769,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2770,"start_s":2771,"end_s":2772,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},454,"205717","Entonces en este momento de la convención partidaria... Va a haber, creo que ni siquiera un gran debate, porque ¿quién querrá defender una situación hoy que está, como ya dije, disolviéndose?",2218.42,2231.44,{"idx":2774,"utterance_id":2775,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2776,"start_s":2777,"end_s":2778,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},455,"205718","Entonces está con 57 % de rechazo.",2232.46,2236.84,{"idx":2780,"utterance_id":2781,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2782,"start_s":2783,"end_s":2784,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},456,"205719","¿Qué es eso?",2238.24,2239,{"idx":2786,"utterance_id":2787,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2788,"start_s":2789,"end_s":2790,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},457,"205720","¿Qué está detrás de todo esto?",2239.52,2241.42,{"idx":2792,"utterance_id":2793,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2794,"start_s":2795,"end_s":2796,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},458,"205721","Es un gobierno que dejó de actuar y negó todas sus banderas.",2242.04,2246.44,{"idx":2798,"utterance_id":2799,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2800,"start_s":2801,"end_s":2802,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},459,"205722","¿Cómo va a llegar alguien hoy?",2247.38,2248.7,{"idx":2804,"utterance_id":2805,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2806,"start_s":2807,"end_s":2808,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},460,"205723","No, pero yo soy defensor de la reforma agraria.",2248.76,2251.6,{"idx":2810,"utterance_id":2811,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2812,"start_s":2813,"end_s":2814,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},461,"205724","No hizo nada, usted solo se dedicó a construir favelas rurales.",2253.18,2255.9,{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},462,"205725","¿Quiere hacer una reforma seria?",2257.68,2258.72,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},463,"205726","Vaya a Goiás, le voy a mostrar cómo se ha hecho.",2258.74,2260.74,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},464,"205727","Los que ellos dejaron allá en condiciones de favela, yo estoy construyendo irrigación, puentes, carreteras, calidad de ingresos y todo eso.",2261.02,2267.72,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},465,"205728","Ahora, de repente: no, yo soy defensor de los más pobres y humildes.",2268.16,2272.66,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},466,"205729","Se han convertido en asaltantes de jubilados.",2273.92,2276.28,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},467,"205730","¿Cómo va a decir un gobierno así: 'no, yo soy defensor de los más pobres', cuando son asaltantes de jubilados?",2277.88,2284.34,{"idx":2852,"utterance_id":2853,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2854,"start_s":2855,"end_s":2856,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},468,"205731","Los que más fueron robados fueron precisamente los jubilados rurales, con la CONTAG, representante de los trabajadores, asaltando el bolsillo del pobre desgraciado que recibe una jubilación mínima.",2285.04,2299.3,{"idx":2858,"utterance_id":2859,"speaker_name":69,"text":2860,"start_s":2861,"end_s":2862,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},469,"205732","Gobernador, déjeme retomar un punto que planteó Escolares.",2299.76,2303.22,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":69,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},470,"205733","Usted habló de su trayectoria: fue diputado hace mucho tiempo en la Cámara y también senador.",2303.32,2307.94,{"idx":2870,"utterance_id":2871,"speaker_name":69,"text":2872,"start_s":2873,"end_s":2874,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},471,"205734","Tanto Lula como Bolsonaro han señalado que las elecciones para el Senado del año que viene, con dos vacantes en disputa por Estado, es decir, estamos hablando de dos tercios del Senado, pueden renovarse.",2308.82,2319.12,{"idx":2876,"utterance_id":2877,"speaker_name":69,"text":2878,"start_s":2879,"end_s":2880,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},472,"205735","Estarán en disputa.",2319.56,2320.66,{"idx":2882,"utterance_id":2883,"speaker_name":69,"text":2884,"start_s":2885,"end_s":2886,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},473,"205736","¿Qué piensa usted de esa disputa?",2321.26,2323.14,{"idx":2888,"utterance_id":2889,"speaker_name":69,"text":2890,"start_s":2891,"end_s":2892,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},474,"205737","¿Usted también querrá... en caso de lograr su candidatura a presidente de la República, tener una lista fuerte de senadores?",2323.18,2329.62,{"idx":2894,"utterance_id":2895,"speaker_name":69,"text":2896,"start_s":2897,"end_s":2898,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},475,"205738","¿Y cuál sería el discurso?",2329.64,2330.56,{"idx":2900,"utterance_id":2901,"speaker_name":69,"text":2902,"start_s":2903,"end_s":2904,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},476,"205739","Y sé que usted tiene, además, en casa, una precandidata al Senado por Goiás, que es la primera dama.",2330.68,2335.98,{"idx":2906,"utterance_id":2907,"speaker_name":69,"text":2908,"start_s":2909,"end_s":2910,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},477,"205740","¿Qué discurso cree usted que deben tener los candidatos al Senado en las elecciones del año que viene?",2336.68,2340.32,{"idx":2912,"utterance_id":2913,"speaker_name":69,"text":2914,"start_s":2915,"end_s":2916,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},478,"205741","¿Es ese el enfrentamiento al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)?",2340.46,2342.14,{"idx":2918,"utterance_id":2919,"speaker_name":69,"text":2920,"start_s":2921,"end_s":2922,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},479,"205742","¿Es pensar en otro arreglo institucional para el país?",2342.52,2345.76,{"idx":2924,"utterance_id":2925,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2926,"start_s":2927,"end_s":2928,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},480,"205743","Nunca goberné con enfrentamiento entre poderes.",2346.98,2350.34,{"idx":2930,"utterance_id":2931,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2932,"start_s":2933,"end_s":2934,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},481,"205744","Nunca, ni ahora.",2351.14,2351.8,{"idx":2936,"utterance_id":2937,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2938,"start_s":2939,"end_s":2940,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},482,"205745","¿Está bien?",2351.82,2353.34,{"idx":2942,"utterance_id":2943,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2944,"start_s":2945,"end_s":2946,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},483,"205746","Gobierno con la autoridad de gobernador del Estado y con la responsabilidad de gobernador.",2354.14,2360.94,{"idx":2948,"utterance_id":2949,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2950,"start_s":2951,"end_s":2952,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},484,"205747","Fui elegido en mi primer mandato con el apoyo de 14 alcaldes.",2362.36,2366.02,{"idx":2954,"utterance_id":2955,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2956,"start_s":2957,"end_s":2958,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},485,"205748","Nunca he tomado represalias contra un alcalde en mi vida.",2366.74,2368.94,{"idx":2960,"utterance_id":2961,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2962,"start_s":2963,"end_s":2964,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},486,"205749","Eso muestra cómo soy.",2370.8,2372.68,{"idx":2966,"utterance_id":2967,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2968,"start_s":2969,"end_s":2970,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},487,"205750","Duro en una campaña electoral, duro.",2372.84,2374.9,{"idx":2972,"utterance_id":2973,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2974,"start_s":2975,"end_s":2976,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},488,"205751","Pero cuando se abrieron las urnas, ganó quien ganó la elección.",2375.56,2378.38,{"idx":2978,"utterance_id":2979,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2980,"start_s":2981,"end_s":2982,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},489,"205752","Si yo no gané, lo siento por el alcalde, pero el que ganó fue el otro; voy a gobernar con él, porque no voy a cuestionar la voluntad de la población de ese municipio.",2379.5,2387.5,{"idx":2984,"utterance_id":2985,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2986,"start_s":2987,"end_s":2988,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},490,"205753","Entonces, no veo esa tesis.",2387.6,2390.42,{"idx":2990,"utterance_id":2991,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2992,"start_s":2993,"end_s":2994,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},491,"205754","Lo que pretendo, si pudiera interferir, sería un Senado Federal de personas competentes, de buenos debatientes, para que el Congreso Nacional acabara con esa llamada votación virtual.",2392.14,2408.46,{"idx":2996,"utterance_id":2997,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2998,"start_s":2999,"end_s":3000,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},492,"205755","Que votasen las bellezas de las comisiones, debates hasta el amanecer, profundos conocedores del reglamento interno, debatientes estudiosos de cada materia que entrara en la pauta.",2409.3,2421.5,{"idx":3002,"utterance_id":3003,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3004,"start_s":3005,"end_s":3006,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},493,"205756","Eso es la belleza del parlamento.",2422.16,2424.4,{"idx":3008,"utterance_id":3009,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3010,"start_s":3011,"end_s":3012,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},494,"205757","El parlamento fue hecho para eso, Yuri.",2425.12,2426.94,{"idx":3014,"utterance_id":3015,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3016,"start_s":3017,"end_s":3018,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},495,"205758","No se puede deformar el parlamento.",2427.3,2429.32,{"idx":3020,"utterance_id":3021,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3022,"start_s":3023,"end_s":3024,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},496,"205759","Hoy usted no tiene un parlamento, un parlamento movido a piques.",2430.1,2432.92,{"idx":3026,"utterance_id":3027,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3028,"start_s":3029,"end_s":3030,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},497,"205760","Eso no existe.",2433.62,2434.48,{"idx":3032,"utterance_id":3033,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3034,"start_s":3035,"end_s":3036,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},498,"205761","Eso no es parlamento.",2435.18,2436.28,{"idx":3038,"utterance_id":3039,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3040,"start_s":3041,"end_s":3042,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},499,"205762","No puede renunciar a lo que es su función parlamentaria: legislar, aprobar el presupuesto, fiscalizar al gobierno.",2437.26,2446.06,{"idx":3044,"utterance_id":3045,"speaker_name":69,"text":3046,"start_s":3047,"end_s":3048,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},500,"205763","¿El actual Congreso renunció a eso, a esa función?",2446.1,2448.38,{"idx":3050,"utterance_id":3051,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3052,"start_s":3053,"end_s":3054,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},501,"205764","Esa es la función del parlamento, ¿cierto?",2448.58,2450.96,{"idx":3056,"utterance_id":3057,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3058,"start_s":3059,"end_s":3060,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},502,"205765","Mire, al llegar a la presidencia de la República, sabré, sin ninguna duda, sentarme con todos los presidentes de los poderes y decir: ¿vamos ahora a volver al presidencialismo?",2451.48,2461.34,{"idx":3062,"utterance_id":3063,"speaker_name":69,"text":3064,"start_s":3065,"end_s":3066,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},503,"205766","Bueno, señor gobernador, el presidente Lula en la campaña de 2022 dijo algo en esa línea.",2461.88,2468.3,{"idx":3068,"utterance_id":3069,"speaker_name":69,"text":3070,"start_s":3071,"end_s":3072,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},504,"205767","Decía que el presidente de la Cámara parecía el emperador de Japón, que las enmiendas eran una distorsión en el sistema político nacional.",2468.34,2475.76,{"idx":3074,"utterance_id":3075,"speaker_name":69,"text":3076,"start_s":3077,"end_s":3078,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},505,"205768","Pero una vez sentado en la silla de presidente de la República, se enfrentó al hecho de que el presupuesto de las enmiendas parlamentarias aumenta cada año.",2476.1,2484.22,{"idx":3080,"utterance_id":3081,"speaker_name":69,"text":3082,"start_s":3083,"end_s":3084,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},506,"205769","Llegamos a 50.000 millones de reais este año, incluso más.",2484.3,2487.78,{"idx":3086,"utterance_id":3087,"speaker_name":69,"text":3088,"start_s":3089,"end_s":3090,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},507,"205770","Y la realidad es que o distribuye usted esos fondos o no consigue aprobar",2488.6,2492.7,{"idx":3092,"utterance_id":3093,"speaker_name":69,"text":3094,"start_s":3095,"end_s":3096,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},508,"205771","ninguna materia de ninguna naturaleza en el Congreso Nacional.",2492.9,2495.64,{"idx":3098,"utterance_id":3099,"speaker_name":69,"text":3100,"start_s":3101,"end_s":3102,"word_count":295,"indexable":74},509,"205772","¿Usted dirá, incluso una vez electo, al presidente del Congreso Nacional, al presidente de la Cámara de Diputados, que usted es favorable a disminuir ese presupuesto para remodelar, para recomenzar una relación entre ejecutivo y legislativo?",2496.46,2509.4,{"idx":3104,"utterance_id":3105,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3106,"start_s":3107,"end_s":3108,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},510,"205773","Thais, cuando existía el presidencialismo en Brasil, recuerdo bien, yo tenía un millón y medio en enmiendas no obligatorias.",2510.04,2516.14,{"idx":3110,"utterance_id":3111,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3112,"start_s":3113,"end_s":3114,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},511,"205774","Nosotros, en el Parlamento, en esa época... No éramos gestores, no somos gestores, somos parlamentarios.",2518.18,2525.54,{"idx":3116,"utterance_id":3117,"speaker_name":69,"text":3118,"start_s":3119,"end_s":3120,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},512,"205775","¿Usted va a pedir que vuelva así?",2525.74,2527.7,{"idx":3122,"utterance_id":3123,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3124,"start_s":3125,"end_s":3126,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},513,"205776","Mire, voy a pedir a todos que entiendan que un presidente de la República fue elegido basándose en un plan de gobierno, ¿cierto?",2528.1,2536.68,{"idx":3128,"utterance_id":3129,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3130,"start_s":3131,"end_s":3132,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},514,"205777","Pues bien, no voy a quitar el apoyo de mis parlamentarios.",2537.46,2541.58,{"idx":3134,"utterance_id":3135,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3136,"start_s":3137,"end_s":3138,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},515,"205778","Las obras en sus estados serán priorizadas por ellos, dentro de un programa del presidente de la República.",2543.12,2550.8,{"idx":3140,"utterance_id":3141,"speaker_name":69,"text":3142,"start_s":3143,"end_s":3144,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},516,"205779","¿Pero cómo meter ese genio de nuevo en la botella, gobernador?",2551.26,2554.34,{"idx":3146,"utterance_id":3147,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3148,"start_s":3149,"end_s":3150,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},517,"205780","También porque todos los que me apoyaron y vivieron así conmigo en Goiás fueron reelegidos, diputados estatales.",2554.52,2561.78,{"idx":3152,"utterance_id":3153,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3154,"start_s":3155,"end_s":3156,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},518,"205781","Entonces, simplemente es saber cómo gobernar.",2563.1,2566.6,{"idx":3158,"utterance_id":3159,"speaker_name":69,"text":3160,"start_s":3161,"end_s":3162,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},519,"205782","Pero usted es muy pragmático y conocedor.",2566.76,2568.22,{"idx":3164,"utterance_id":3165,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3166,"start_s":3167,"end_s":3168,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},520,"205783","No puede perder la autonomía de su función de gobernador ni la de presidente de la República.",2568.24,2574.78,{"idx":3170,"utterance_id":3171,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3172,"start_s":3173,"end_s":3174,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},521,"205784","Eso es.",2575.44,2575.9,{"idx":3176,"utterance_id":3177,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3178,"start_s":3179,"end_s":3180,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},522,"205785","Porque fui cinco veces diputado federal, y una vez senador de la República.",2577.04,2584.02,{"idx":3182,"utterance_id":3183,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3184,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},523,"205786","Nunca registré un plan de 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de gobierno.",2600.9,2608.46,{"idx":3211,"utterance_id":3212,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3213,"start_s":3214,"end_s":3215,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},528,"205791","Si usted no tiene... la partida discrecional del presupuesto, ¿cómo va a gobernar?",2609.64,2614.78,{"idx":3217,"utterance_id":3218,"speaker_name":69,"text":3219,"start_s":3220,"end_s":3221,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},529,"205792","Pero déjeme entender cómo usted va a hacer eso, porque usted mismo dijo, y es verdad, que es un profundo conocedor del Parlamento.",2616.18,2623.18,{"idx":3223,"utterance_id":3224,"speaker_name":69,"text":3225,"start_s":3226,"end_s":3227,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},530,"205793","No, déjeme preguntar.",2623.22,2624,{"idx":3229,"utterance_id":3230,"speaker_name":69,"text":3231,"start_s":3232,"end_s":3233,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},531,"205794","Usted es un profundo conocedor.",2624.56,2625.84,{"idx":3235,"utterance_id":3236,"speaker_name":69,"text":3237,"start_s":3238,"end_s":3239,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},532,"205795","Usted conoce también a Davi Alcolumbre, conoce a Hugo Mota y a otras personas como ellos que gobiernan.",2625.88,2632.04,{"idx":3241,"utterance_id":3242,"speaker_name":69,"text":3243,"start_s":3244,"end_s":3245,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},533,"205796","¿Cómo usted va a llegar a ellos y decirles: renuncien a su PIX, que está llegando directamente a su alcalde, que está irrigando su elección?",2632.42,2640.76,{"idx":3247,"utterance_id":3248,"speaker_name":69,"text":3249,"start_s":3250,"end_s":3251,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},534,"205797","¿y vamos volver a lo que era antes?",2642.38,2643.8,{"idx":3253,"utterance_id":3254,"speaker_name":69,"text":3255,"start_s":3256,"end_s":3257,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},535,"205798","Oye, Vera, es muy fácil que usted...",2644.1,2645.56,{"idx":3259,"utterance_id":3260,"speaker_name":69,"text":3261,"start_s":3262,"end_s":3263,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},536,"205799","¡No es fácil!",2645.6,2646.54,{"idx":3265,"utterance_id":3266,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3267,"start_s":3268,"end_s":3269,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},537,"205800","Oye, Vera, o usted... Espera, Vera, usted tiene que saber lo siguiente: ¿qué determina la Constitución?",2647.3,2652.7,{"idx":3271,"utterance_id":3272,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3273,"start_s":3274,"end_s":3275,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},538,"205801","Que estamos en un sistema... presidencialista.",2654.06,2656.48,{"idx":3277,"utterance_id":3278,"speaker_name":69,"text":3279,"start_s":3280,"end_s":3281,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},539,"205802","Pero eso también está en la Constitución, porque fueron PECs las que instituyeron esta cuestión de las medidas impositivas.",2656.54,2661.48,{"idx":3283,"utterance_id":3284,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3285,"start_s":3286,"end_s":3287,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},540,"205803","¿Pero quieren alterar el sistema a parlamentarismo?",2661.62,2664.66,{"idx":3289,"utterance_id":3290,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3291,"start_s":3292,"end_s":3293,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},541,"205804","Está bien, hagan la 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parlamento.",2669.36,2674.28,{"idx":3313,"utterance_id":3314,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3315,"start_s":3316,"end_s":3317,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},545,"205808","Mil.",2674.76,2674.96,{"idx":3319,"utterance_id":3320,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3321,"start_s":3322,"end_s":3323,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},546,"205809","No hay problema.",2675,2676.8,{"idx":3325,"utterance_id":3326,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3327,"start_s":3328,"end_s":3329,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},547,"205810","Ahora, en el presidencialismo, no.",2677.12,2679.06,{"idx":3331,"utterance_id":3332,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3333,"start_s":3334,"end_s":3335,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},548,"205811","No existe partida discrecional que el presidente de la República no pueda 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partida.",2691,2691.92,{"idx":3366,"utterance_id":3367,"speaker_name":69,"text":3368,"start_s":3369,"end_s":3370,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},554,"205817","Verdad.",2692.36,2692.98,{"idx":3372,"utterance_id":3373,"speaker_name":69,"text":3374,"start_s":3375,"end_s":3376,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},555,"205818","Casi no tiene nada.",2693,2693.5,{"idx":3378,"utterance_id":3379,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3345,"start_s":3380,"end_s":3381,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},556,"205819",2693.52,2694.32,{"idx":3383,"utterance_id":3384,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":1855,"start_s":3385,"end_s":3386,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},557,"205820",2694.8,2695.06,{"idx":3388,"utterance_id":3389,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3390,"start_s":3391,"end_s":3392,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},558,"205821","¿Figura decorativa?",2695.44,2696.74,{"idx":3394,"utterance_id":3395,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3396,"start_s":3397,"end_s":3398,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},559,"205822","Entonces, usted va a acabar con todo.",2697.46,2700.82,{"idx":3400,"utterance_id":3401,"speaker_name":69,"text":3402,"start_s":3403,"end_s":3404,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},560,"205823","Gobernador, el actual presidente del Congreso Nacional es de su partido, Davi Alcolumbre, senador por União do Amapá.",2701.56,2708.4,{"idx":3406,"utterance_id":3407,"speaker_name":69,"text":3408,"start_s":3409,"end_s":3410,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},561,"205824","La nueva configuración partidaria União Progressistas tiene... más de 100 diputados y un número bastante razonable de 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mío.",2735.06,2740.46,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},566,"205829","Simplemente es que permanezca donde debe estar.",2741.12,2743.4,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},567,"205830","No tiene que volver a ningún lugar.",2744.74,2746.12,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},568,"205831","Tiene que tener el origen correcto en el lugar donde debe estar.",2746.26,2749.82,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},569,"205832","¿Debe estar para cumplir un plan de gobierno de un presidente o no?",2751.22,2754.98,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":69,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},570,"205833","Entonces, pero la visión que tenemos del Congreso es que el Congreso dice: bueno, las enmiendas están ahí al servicio de mis diputados.",2757.6,2764.46,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},571,"205834","Esas cosas no pueden ser negociadas hasta el punto de causar incomodidad a un presidente de la República.",2764.74,2771.54,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},572,"205835","Usted no puede ser meramente figurativo.",2772.38,2773.96,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":69,"text":3479,"start_s":3480,"end_s":3481,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},573,"205836","Entonces, en ese caso, usted está del lado de Lula.",2774,2775.5,{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},574,"205837","No puede ser como el que está allá.",2775.52,2776.76,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},575,"205838","Entonces, está bien.",2777.18,2777.88,{"idx":3495,"utterance_id":3496,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3497,"start_s":3498,"end_s":3499,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},576,"205839","Aquí hay un grave problema tributario.",2779.06,2781,{"idx":3501,"utterance_id":3502,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3503,"start_s":3504,"end_s":3505,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},577,"205840","El gobierno está metiendo la pata.",2781.4,2783.18,{"idx":3507,"utterance_id":3508,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3509,"start_s":3510,"end_s":3511,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},578,"205841","Debe más que... 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Entonces, se acabó.",2822.14,2824.86,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},593,"205856","Se acabó.",2825.58,2826.02,{"idx":660,"utterance_id":3602,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3603,"start_s":3604,"end_s":3605,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"205857","Entonces, hoy usted llega al ministro, mira, hay una obra aquí, así, no sé qué, no sé, llame al relator.",2827.48,2833.24,{"idx":3607,"utterance_id":3608,"speaker_name":69,"text":3609,"start_s":3610,"end_s":3611,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},595,"205858","Creo que Escolete tiene la última del bloque allí.",2834.7,2837,{"idx":3613,"utterance_id":3614,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3615,"start_s":3616,"end_s":3617,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},596,"205859","Déjeme cambiar de tema un poquito.",2837.02,2838.68,{"idx":3619,"utterance_id":3620,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3621,"start_s":3622,"end_s":3623,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},597,"205860","Dentro de poco usted dirá que irá al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) contra las enmiendas parlamentarias, pero no voy a preguntar eso.",2839.6,2844,{"idx":3625,"utterance_id":3626,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3627,"start_s":3628,"end_s":3629,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},598,"205861","No, pero vea bien, resolví todo eso en Goiás mediante el diálogo, ¿está bien?",2844.02,2850.04,{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},599,"205862","Nunca aumenté ese valor.",2850.08,2851.48,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},600,"205863","En Goiás, cuando yo recibí, era 1,2%.",2852.52,2854.4,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2938,"start_s":3645,"end_s":3646,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},601,"205864",2855.04,2856.02,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},602,"205865","Llamé a todos ellos y dije lo siguiente, mira, el 50% de todas las enmiendas del 1,2% será el 100% dentro de los programas de salud del gobierno.",2856.12,2865.42,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},603,"205866","Déjeme hacer mi pregunta, que era otro tema, gobernador.",2866.36,2868.68,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},604,"205867","Usted debe haber visto la semana pasada al gobernador Zema, dijo a la Folha de São Paulo, es decir, puso en duda la dictadura militar.",2869.06,2876.18,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},605,"205868","Dijo que es una cuestión de estudiosos, de interpretación, no supo decir si hubo o no dictadura militar en Brasil.",2876.52,2883.1,{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},606,"205869","¿Cuál es su opinión sobre eso?",2883.52,2884.84,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},607,"205870","Bueno, si usted quiere saber, no sé si usted es de esa época, no sé su edad en aquel entonces.",2886.04,2892.06,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},608,"205871","Viví diez años en la dictadura, pero conozco la historia.",2892.22,2895.6,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},609,"205872","Exactamente, usted conoce la historia.",2895.92,2897.7,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},610,"205873","Y usted sabe una sola cosa: seguir reavivando ese mismo proceso, ¿está bien?",2898.56,2906.66,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},611,"205874","De un movimiento que existió, donde hubo una circunstancia allí.",2907.14,2912.1,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":460,"indexable":74},612,"205875","específicamente con una irresponsabilidad de Jânio Quadros, de pensar que sería conclamado para votar por los brazos del pueblo, que deja en manos de un Jangular, que era un hombre débil, comandado por un Brizola, que era un hombre que tenía una capacidad de discurso, tenía un carisma especial con ese tipo gaúcho de decir las cosas, que a partir de ahí decidió, romper todo el orden nacional.",2912.7,2945.26,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":69,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},613,"205876","¿Quién decidió romper?",2945.68,2947.12,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":69,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},614,"205877","Eso era eso.",2947.16,2947.76,{"idx":3726,"utterance_id":3727,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3728,"start_s":3729,"end_s":3730,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},615,"205878","Es decir, ahora todas las tierras serán del gobierno, vamos a estatizar todo y tal.",2947.8,2954.52,{"idx":3732,"utterance_id":3733,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3734,"start_s":3735,"end_s":3736,"word_count":253,"indexable":74},616,"205879","Pero realmente, si usted es de aquí de São Paulo, debió haber presenciado a todas las personas en la calle por aquí, pidiendo que realmente se salvara aquel momento que estábamos viviendo.",2954.94,2965.04,{"idx":3738,"utterance_id":3739,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3740,"start_s":3741,"end_s":3742,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},617,"205880","Ahora, el gran problema que tenemos en Brasil es exactamente ese.",2965.58,2970.06,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},618,"205881","Pedro Malan lo dijo con mucha propiedad.",2971.48,2974,{"idx":3750,"utterance_id":3751,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3752,"start_s":3753,"end_s":3754,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},619,"205882","Hasta el pasado en Brasil es impredecible.",2975.3,2978.04,{"idx":3756,"utterance_id":3757,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3758,"start_s":3759,"end_s":3760,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},620,"205883","Hasta el pasado en Brasil.",2978.72,2980.12,{"idx":3762,"utterance_id":3763,"speaker_name":69,"text":3764,"start_s":3765,"end_s":3766,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},621,"205884","Entonces, para usted no hubo dictadura?",2980.22,2981.72,{"idx":3768,"utterance_id":3769,"speaker_name":69,"text":3562,"start_s":3770,"end_s":3771,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},622,"205885",2982.04,2982.56,{"idx":3773,"utterance_id":3774,"speaker_name":69,"text":3775,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},623,"205886","¿Para usted hubo dictadura en Brasil?",2982.74,2984.32,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":69,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},624,"205887","¿Dictadura militar?",2984.48,2985.34,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3785,"speaker_name":69,"text":3786,"start_s":3787,"end_s":3788,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},"205888","¿Si hubo dictadura?",2985.54,2986.58,{"idx":3790,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":69,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},626,"205889","Militar en Brasil.",2986.64,2987.62,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},627,"205890","Hubo restricciones por actos constitucionales.",2987.96,2990.4,{"idx":3802,"utterance_id":3803,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3804,"start_s":3805,"end_s":3806,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},628,"205891","Actos constitucionales, el AI-5, el AI-6, el AI-7, el AI-8.",2990.82,2994.3,{"idx":3808,"utterance_id":3809,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3810,"start_s":3811,"end_s":3812,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},629,"205892","Tuvieron actos institucionales de un período, ¿está bien?",2994.48,2997.46,{"idx":3814,"utterance_id":3815,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3816,"start_s":3817,"end_s":3818,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},630,"205893","En los que ocurrieron barbaridades.",2997.62,2999.92,{"idx":3820,"utterance_id":3821,"speaker_name":69,"text":3822,"start_s":3823,"end_s":3824,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},631,"205894","¿Pero fue una dictadura militar?",3000.38,3003.5,{"idx":3826,"utterance_id":3827,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3828,"start_s":3829,"end_s":3830,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},632,"205895","No, pero bueno.",3003.54,3004.14,{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},633,"205896","Les estoy diciendo aquí con toda claridad solamente una cosa.",3004.18,3007.22,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},634,"205897","Hay que analizar el hecho de 1964 con los ojos de 1964.",3008.04,3012.74,{"idx":3844,"utterance_id":3845,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3846,"start_s":3847,"end_s":3848,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},635,"205898","Porque es muy bonito reproducirlo después, ¿está bien?",3014.44,3017.64,{"idx":3850,"utterance_id":3851,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3852,"start_s":3853,"end_s":3854,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},636,"205899","En 2025.",3017.76,3018.06,{"idx":3856,"utterance_id":3857,"speaker_name":69,"text":3858,"start_s":3859,"end_s":3860,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},637,"205900","No, pero el 64 fue hasta el 85, ¿no?",3018.76,3020.32,{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":69,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},638,"205901","Exactamente, está bien.",3020.34,3021.98,{"idx":3868,"utterance_id":3869,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3870,"start_s":3871,"end_s":3872,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},639,"205902","Pero todo esto fueron situaciones creadas que provocaron... todo ese proceso de reacción y que llegamos a la amnistía plena, general y restringida.",3022.28,3036.3,{"idx":3874,"utterance_id":3875,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3876,"start_s":3877,"end_s":3878,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},640,"205903","¿No es verdad?",3036.8,3037.3,{"idx":3880,"utterance_id":3881,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3882,"start_s":3883,"end_s":3884,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},641,"205904","Donde allí tenía a las personas del lado militar, que practicaban las arbitrariedades, y también tenías a los comandos, que practicaban otros crímenes también, de terrorismo.",3038,3053.22,{"idx":3886,"utterance_id":3887,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3888,"start_s":3889,"end_s":3890,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},642,"205905","Entonces, era un proceso conflagrado que tenía Brasil.",3053.72,3057.18,{"idx":3892,"utterance_id":3893,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3894,"start_s":3895,"end_s":3896,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},643,"205906","Un proceso conflagrado que tuvo Brasil.",3058.04,3060.22,{"idx":3898,"utterance_id":3899,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3900,"start_s":3901,"end_s":3902,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},644,"205907","Eso es lo que es. Ahora, lo que necesitamos entender es una sola cosa.",3060.62,3064.94,{"idx":3904,"utterance_id":3905,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3906,"start_s":3907,"end_s":3908,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},645,"205908","Ah, pero ahora ¿cómo va a quedar la situación?",3067.1,3069.92,{"idx":3910,"utterance_id":3911,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3912,"start_s":3913,"end_s":3914,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},646,"205909","Gente, cierta vez un ciudadano atropellado llegó a urgencias y el médico le preguntó, con mucha pereza de operar, le dijo: ¿pero señor, no vio que el semáforo estaba en rojo?",3070.36,3085.86,{"idx":3916,"utterance_id":3917,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3918,"start_s":3919,"end_s":3920,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},647,"205910","Por favor, doctor, opéreme, que tengo demasiado dolor.",3086.34,3088.8,{"idx":3922,"utterance_id":3923,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3924,"start_s":3925,"end_s":3926,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},648,"205911","Después discutiremos el problema del semáforo.",3088.82,3091.32,{"idx":3928,"utterance_id":3929,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3930,"start_s":3931,"end_s":3932,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},649,"205912","Entonces, lo que necesitamos en Brasil es una sola cosa.",3092.66,3095.4,{"idx":3934,"utterance_id":3935,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3936,"start_s":3937,"end_s":3938,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},650,"205913","Eso jamás se reproducirá en el país.",3095.72,3098.6,{"idx":3940,"utterance_id":3941,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3942,"start_s":3943,"end_s":3944,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},651,"205914","Jamás.",3099.22,3099.56,{"idx":3946,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3948,"start_s":3949,"end_s":3950,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},652,"205915","No hay más espacio.",3100.02,3101.3,{"idx":3952,"utterance_id":3953,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3954,"start_s":3955,"end_s":3956,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},653,"205916","Las actitudes de una persona se miden a lo largo de su vida, de su trayectoria de vida.",3102.12,3107.28,{"idx":3958,"utterance_id":3959,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3960,"start_s":3961,"end_s":3962,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},654,"205917","Nunca en mi vida admití que no fuera el resultado del pleno, el resultado de la urna, aquello como lo principal.",3108.1,3114.96,{"idx":3964,"utterance_id":3965,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3966,"start_s":3967,"end_s":3968,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},655,"205918","Pero vi, por ejemplo, viviendo en Europa, a los italianos con el ejército italiano, haciendo la mayor barrida contra todos de la Brigada Roja.",3115.88,3126.76,{"idx":3970,"utterance_id":3971,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3972,"start_s":3973,"end_s":3974,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},656,"205919","Que fueron todos aniquilados allí dentro de Europa.",3128.52,3133,{"idx":3976,"utterance_id":3977,"speaker_name":69,"text":3978,"start_s":3979,"end_s":3980,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},657,"205920","Necesito ir al intervalo.",3134.22,3136.04,{"idx":3982,"utterance_id":3983,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3984,"start_s":3985,"end_s":3986,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},658,"205921","Entonces, quiere decir, esa es una realidad.",3136.06,3138.66,{"idx":3988,"utterance_id":3989,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3990,"start_s":3991,"end_s":3992,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},659,"205922","Hace poco tiempo, no son tantos años así, y allí se aplicó esa regla.",3139.34,3144.9,{"idx":3994,"utterance_id":3995,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":3996,"start_s":3997,"end_s":3998,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},660,"205923","Entonces, en esta situación, lo que tenemos que tener es una sola cosa.",3146.3,3149.4,{"idx":4000,"utterance_id":4001,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4002,"start_s":4003,"end_s":4004,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},661,"205924","Si nosotros, en Brasil, no logramos salir de esta polarización, de esta discusión que ya no llevará a nada y construimos una democracia sólida aquí dentro, nos quedaremos con esas actitudes siempre.",3150.22,3166.72,{"idx":4006,"utterance_id":4007,"speaker_name":69,"text":4008,"start_s":4009,"end_s":4010,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},662,"205925","Entonces, nos vamos al intervalo.",3167.04,3168.82,{"idx":4012,"utterance_id":4013,"speaker_name":69,"text":4014,"start_s":4015,"end_s":4016,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},663,"205926","No cierro el debate.",3168.88,3169.84,{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":69,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},664,"205927","Quien quiera seguir preguntando al respecto, está libre, pero necesito hacer una pausa.",3169.88,3174.36,{"idx":4024,"utterance_id":4025,"speaker_name":69,"text":4026,"start_s":4027,"end_s":4028,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},665,"205928","Volvemos enseguida con Roda Viva con el gobernador Ronaldo Caiado.",3174.78,3177.72,{"idx":4030,"utterance_id":4031,"speaker_name":69,"text":4032,"start_s":4033,"end_s":4034,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},666,"205929","Innovación que conecta Bradesco.",3191.2,3194.14,{"idx":4036,"utterance_id":4037,"speaker_name":69,"text":4038,"start_s":4039,"end_s":4040,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},667,"205930","Cuando denunciábamos este problema de la carne, ¿cuál fue la actitud del gobierno?",3214.48,3217.76,{"idx":779,"utterance_id":4042,"speaker_name":69,"text":4043,"start_s":4044,"end_s":4045,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},"205931","¿Una actitud emocional?",3218.34,3219.42,{"idx":4047,"utterance_id":4048,"speaker_name":69,"text":4049,"start_s":4050,"end_s":4051,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},669,"205932","Ni siquiera diciendo que se cortó todo el crédito para la ganadería en este país.",3219.88,3223.06,{"idx":4053,"utterance_id":4054,"speaker_name":69,"text":4055,"start_s":4056,"end_s":4057,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},670,"205933","Bueno, no es por ahí que se resuelve el problema.",3223.66,3225.8,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4059,"speaker_name":69,"text":4060,"start_s":4061,"end_s":4062,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"205934","Es estimulando, aumentando subsidios y haciendo una política coherente que realmente podremos suplir las necesidades de este país.",3226.3,3234.06,{"idx":4064,"utterance_id":4065,"speaker_name":69,"text":4066,"start_s":4067,"end_s":4068,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},672,"205935","En una economía de libre mercado, libre...",3235,3236.58,{"idx":4070,"utterance_id":4071,"speaker_name":69,"text":4072,"start_s":4073,"end_s":4074,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},673,"205936","Estas fueron imágenes de Roda Viva de 1986, a las que el gobernador se refirió.",3236.94,3241.18,{"idx":4076,"utterance_id":4077,"speaker_name":69,"text":4078,"start_s":4079,"end_s":4080,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},674,"205937","Él fue el segundo entrevistado en la historia de Roda Viva, justo después del entonces ministro Paulo Brossard.",3241.2,3246.56,{"idx":4082,"utterance_id":4083,"speaker_name":69,"text":4084,"start_s":4085,"end_s":4086,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},675,"205938","Y vimos allí al señor defender... ya el sector agrario, usted era dirigente de la UDR en esa época.",3247.5,3252.72,{"idx":4088,"utterance_id":4089,"speaker_name":69,"text":4090,"start_s":4091,"end_s":4092,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},676,"205939","Quisiera entender cuál es esa posición política.",3253.2,3258.02,{"idx":4094,"utterance_id":4095,"speaker_name":69,"text":4096,"start_s":4097,"end_s":4098,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},677,"205940","del agronegocio tan refractario así al gobierno Lula, porque los números muestran que la ganadería y la agricultura prosperaron en los mandatos de Lula, tanto antes como ahora.",3258.68,3269.56,{"idx":4100,"utterance_id":4101,"speaker_name":69,"text":4102,"start_s":4103,"end_s":4104,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},678,"205941","El plan de siembra del año pasado fue un récord de subsidios, como usted defendía en esa entrevista.",3269.6,3275.72,{"idx":4106,"utterance_id":4107,"speaker_name":69,"text":4108,"start_s":4109,"end_s":4110,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},679,"205942","¿A qué atribuye esta completa disociación que existe hoy entre el agro y el gobierno?",3276.06,3282.7,{"idx":4112,"utterance_id":4113,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4114,"start_s":4115,"end_s":4116,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},680,"205943","Vera, ¿cómo puedes, en 2025, en un sector que hoy es responsable de la mayor parte de la generación de empleo, responsable de la balanza comercial superavitaria, responsable por el único sector en la economía, en el mundo, que es competitivo?",3283.68,3303.76,{"idx":4118,"utterance_id":4119,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4120,"start_s":4121,"end_s":4122,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},681,"205944","Único.",3304.94,3305.28,{"idx":4124,"utterance_id":4125,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4126,"start_s":4127,"end_s":4128,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},682,"205945","Ah, usted también tiene...",3306.44,3307.34,{"idx":4130,"utterance_id":4131,"speaker_name":69,"text":4132,"start_s":4133,"end_s":4134,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},683,"205946","En lo que Brasil es competitivo, usted dice.",3307.36,3309.1,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4136,"speaker_name":69,"text":4137,"start_s":4138,"end_s":4139,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"205947","Exacto.",3309.34,3309.8,{"idx":4141,"utterance_id":4142,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4143,"start_s":4144,"end_s":4145,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},685,"205948","El único que compite con el mundo hoy es su agropecuaria.",3310.34,3314.78,{"idx":4147,"utterance_id":4148,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2938,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},686,"205949",3314.84,3316.52,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},687,"205950","Bueno, está la construcción de aviones también, que tiene una tecnología propia.",3316.54,3321.42,{"idx":4158,"utterance_id":4159,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4160,"start_s":4161,"end_s":4162,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},688,"205951","Pero dejemos eso.",3321.52,3322.62,{"idx":4164,"utterance_id":4165,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4166,"start_s":4167,"end_s":4168,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},689,"205952","Es el sector rural.",3323.14,3323.9,{"idx":4170,"utterance_id":4171,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4172,"start_s":4173,"end_s":4174,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},690,"205953","Es 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Lula?",3336.3,3343.86,{"idx":4200,"utterance_id":4201,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4202,"start_s":4203,"end_s":4204,"word_count":295,"indexable":74},695,"205958","Si él enaltece al MST y recibe al MST como autoridad, integra la comitiva del presidente de la República, un movimiento que durante toda la vida sólo se dedicó a pregonar el desorden, la invasión, el delito, el secuestro, ¿está bien?",3344.72,3367.44,{"idx":4206,"utterance_id":4207,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4208,"start_s":4209,"end_s":4210,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},696,"205959","En propiedades privadas.",3367.84,3369.22,{"idx":4212,"utterance_id":4213,"speaker_name":69,"text":4214,"start_s":4215,"end_s":4216,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},697,"205960","Pero ¿por qué antes se llevaban bien?",3369.42,3370.94,{"idx":4218,"utterance_id":4219,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4220,"start_s":4221,"end_s":4222,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},698,"205961","Aún en 2025.",3371.2,3371.66,{"idx":4224,"utterance_id":4225,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4226,"start_s":4227,"end_s":4228,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},699,"205962","Ves que eso ya no existía más, nadie discutía ya ese asunto.",3373.28,3376.7,{"idx":4230,"utterance_id":4231,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4232,"start_s":4233,"end_s":4234,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},700,"205963","Desde que finalizó el mandato de Lula, ese asunto ya no existía.",3378.52,3383.88,{"idx":4236,"utterance_id":4237,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4238,"start_s":4239,"end_s":4240,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},701,"205964","Ahora todo eso vuelve a renacer, ¿para qué?",3384.4,3386.68,{"idx":4242,"utterance_id":4243,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4244,"start_s":4245,"end_s":4246,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},702,"205965","Para una vez más crear ese proceso de ebullición en el único segmento que es el sostén del país.",3386.7,3394.54,{"idx":4248,"utterance_id":4249,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4250,"start_s":4251,"end_s":4252,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},703,"205966","Entonces, ¿cómo vas a querer que un sector que está produciendo... conviva con quien quiere exactamente invadir y despedazar?",3395.46,3404.46,{"idx":4254,"utterance_id":4255,"speaker_name":69,"text":4256,"start_s":4257,"end_s":4258,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},704,"205967","¿Y los números?",3404.48,3405,{"idx":4260,"utterance_id":4261,"speaker_name":69,"text":4262,"start_s":4263,"end_s":4264,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},705,"205968","¿Los números no son buenos?",3405.02,3405.82,{"idx":4266,"utterance_id":4267,"speaker_name":69,"text":4268,"start_s":4269,"end_s":4270,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},706,"205969","Eso es lo que quería discutir a partir de los números.",3405.88,3408,{"idx":4272,"utterance_id":4273,"speaker_name":69,"text":4274,"start_s":4275,"end_s":4276,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},707,"205970","¿Los números no son buenos de...?",3408.08,3409.4,{"idx":4278,"utterance_id":4279,"speaker_name":69,"text":4280,"start_s":4281,"end_s":4282,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},708,"205971","Los números son buenos por cuenta del sector.",3409.44,3411.08,{"idx":4284,"utterance_id":4285,"speaker_name":69,"text":4286,"start_s":4287,"end_s":4288,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},709,"205972","Plan de siembra...",3411.9,3412.94,{"idx":4290,"utterance_id":4291,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4292,"start_s":4293,"end_s":4294,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},710,"205973","No, pero si tú ves hoy, ¿está bien?",3412.96,3415.44,{"idx":4296,"utterance_id":4297,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4298,"start_s":4299,"end_s":4300,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},711,"205974","Lo que tienes, ¿está bien?",3415.68,3417.38,{"idx":4302,"utterance_id":4303,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4304,"start_s":4305,"end_s":4306,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},712,"205975","De crédito rural hoy y el precio que está hoy, el porcentaje de equalización de la tasa de interés.",3417.72,3426.08,{"idx":4308,"utterance_id":4309,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4310,"start_s":4311,"end_s":4312,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},713,"205976","Hoy, es mucho menor de lo que fue en años anteriores.",3426.12,3429.3,{"idx":4314,"utterance_id":4315,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4316,"start_s":4317,"end_s":4318,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},714,"205977","Hoy, para tener una propiedad media rural, tendrás un préstamo en torno a más o menos el 18%.",3430.96,3436.3,{"idx":4320,"utterance_id":4321,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4322,"start_s":4323,"end_s":4324,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},715,"205978","El sector soporta eso.",3438.24,3439.4,{"idx":4326,"utterance_id":4327,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4328,"start_s":4329,"end_s":4330,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},716,"205979","¿por qué?",3439.48,3439.82,{"idx":4332,"utterance_id":4333,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4334,"start_s":4335,"end_s":4336,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},717,"205980","Por un solo motivo.",3440.3,3441.08,{"idx":4338,"utterance_id":4339,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4340,"start_s":4341,"end_s":4342,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},718,"205981","Porque hoy tenemos la mayor productividad.",3441.1,3443.78,{"idx":4344,"utterance_id":4345,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4346,"start_s":4347,"end_s":4348,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},719,"205982","Pero esa productividad no tiene nada que ver con el gobierno del PT, no.",3443.8,3446.54,{"idx":4350,"utterance_id":4351,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4352,"start_s":4353,"end_s":4354,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},720,"205983","Esa productividad fue la investigación, cuando teníamos aquí una capacidad de pasar de un país que importaba todo, a hoy ser los mayores importadores del mundo.",3447.02,3458.72,{"idx":4356,"utterance_id":4357,"speaker_name":69,"text":4358,"start_s":4359,"end_s":4360,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},721,"205984","Gobernador, con el pretexto de garantizar la seguridad de los productores rurales, el gobierno Bolsonaro aflojó las reglas y terminó favoreciendo la armamentización de la población, con los CACs y otras modalidades.",3459.22,3474.18,{"idx":4362,"utterance_id":4363,"speaker_name":69,"text":4364,"start_s":4365,"end_s":4366,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},722,"205985","Esas armas, en buena medida, fueron canalizadas hacia el crimen organizado.",3475.66,3479.04,{"idx":4368,"utterance_id":4369,"speaker_name":69,"text":4370,"start_s":4371,"end_s":4372,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},723,"205986","No, no procede.",3479.32,3480.94,{"idx":4374,"utterance_id":4375,"speaker_name":69,"text":4376,"start_s":4377,"end_s":4378,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},724,"205987","Son investigaciones de la Policía Federal.",3480.98,3482.38,{"idx":4380,"utterance_id":4381,"speaker_name":69,"text":4382,"start_s":4383,"end_s":4384,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},725,"205988","Y usted dice precisamente que el crimen organizado hoy es el principal desafío para los gobernantes del país.",3482.88,3488.76,{"idx":4386,"utterance_id":4387,"speaker_name":69,"text":4388,"start_s":4389,"end_s":4390,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},726,"205989","Señor, ¿repetiría usted esa política armamentista del gobierno de Bolsonaro?",3489.46,3492.96,{"idx":4392,"utterance_id":4393,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4394,"start_s":4395,"end_s":4396,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},727,"205990","Eso no procede.",3492.98,3493.78,{"idx":4398,"utterance_id":4399,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4400,"start_s":4401,"end_s":4402,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},728,"205991","Perdóneme, pero eso no procede.",3494.06,3495.74,{"idx":4404,"utterance_id":4405,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4406,"start_s":4407,"end_s":4408,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},729,"205992","El CAC no significa eso.",3496.52,3498.84,{"idx":4410,"utterance_id":4411,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4412,"start_s":4413,"end_s":4414,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},730,"205993","El CAC tiene... toda una fiscalización por parte del Ejército Brasileño.",3499.34,3504.36,{"idx":4416,"utterance_id":4417,"speaker_name":69,"text":4418,"start_s":4419,"end_s":4420,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},731,"205994","Que renunció a esa fiscalización; incluso la está transfiriendo a la Policía Federal.",3504.62,3507.08,{"idx":4422,"utterance_id":4423,"speaker_name":69,"text":4424,"start_s":4425,"end_s":4426,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},732,"205995","Y tiene control sobre las armas.",3507.1,3507.8,{"idx":4428,"utterance_id":4429,"speaker_name":69,"text":4430,"start_s":4431,"end_s":4432,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},733,"205996","Por el número de armas que se distribuyeron, compraron y vendieron, el Ejército Brasileño renunció a esa fiscalización y está intentando transferirla a la Policía Federal.",3507.82,3516.94,{"idx":4434,"utterance_id":4435,"speaker_name":69,"text":4436,"start_s":4437,"end_s":4438,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},734,"205997","Y lo que investiga la Policía Federal es que gran parte de esas armas terminó en el crimen organizado.",3517.42,3522.12,{"idx":4440,"utterance_id":4441,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4442,"start_s":4443,"end_s":4444,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},735,"205998","¿Sabe por qué la está transfiriendo a la Policía Federal?",3522.14,3524.7,{"idx":4446,"utterance_id":4447,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4448,"start_s":4449,"end_s":4450,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},736,"205999","Para matar a la Policía Federal.",3525.6,3526.84,{"idx":4452,"utterance_id":4453,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4454,"start_s":4455,"end_s":4456,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},737,"206000","Ese es el golpe de Lula.",3528.5,3529.88,{"idx":4458,"utterance_id":4459,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4460,"start_s":4461,"end_s":4462,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},738,"206001","Ese golpe está ahí en esa 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caque.",3566.12,3569.06,{"idx":4511,"utterance_id":4512,"speaker_name":69,"text":4513,"start_s":4514,"end_s":4515,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},747,"206010","¿Pero el Ejército puede realizar esa fiscalización, gobernador?",3569.08,3571.14,{"idx":4517,"utterance_id":4518,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4519,"start_s":4520,"end_s":4521,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},748,"206011","Voy a transferir aquello que está siendo levantado por la inteligencia de todos los órganos del gobierno juntos.",3571.64,3577.82,{"idx":4523,"utterance_id":4524,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":4525,"start_s":4526,"end_s":4527,"word_count":337,"indexable":74},749,"206012","Mi inteligencia está dentro de la sala de la Policía Federal en Goiás, con el policía de la PM, de la Penal, Policía Penal y de la Policía Civil, junto con la Policía Rodoviaria Federal y la Policía... 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aparato mínimo de policías federales; estoy hablando de mi Estado: tiene 57, lo que equivale a 57 delegados de la Policía Federal en el Estado.",3641.82,3653.64,{"idx":4599,"utterance_id":4600,"speaker_name":69,"text":4601,"start_s":4602,"end_s":4603,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},762,"206025","Las propias Fuerzas Armadas informaron que no tenían personal para hacer la fiscalización de esas armas.",3653.66,3659.18,{"idx":4605,"utterance_id":4606,"speaker_name":69,"text":4607,"start_s":4608,"end_s":4609,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},763,"206026","Y por eso se decidió... de común acuerdo con el Ministerio de Justicia, que esa atribución pasaría a ser de la Policía Federal.",3659.6,3665.3,{"idx":4611,"utterance_id":4612,"speaker_name":69,"text":4613,"start_s":4614,"end_s":4615,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},764,"206027","Por lo tanto, la propia Fuerza Armada 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madera.",4015.6,4020.14,{"idx":5083,"utterance_id":5084,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5085,"start_s":5086,"end_s":5087,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},843,"206106","Ellos son los dueños de toda esa región.",4020.78,4025.16,{"idx":5089,"utterance_id":5090,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5091,"start_s":5092,"end_s":5093,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},844,"206107","Un funcionario de la FUNAI, para entrar allí, hoy tiene que pedir autorización al Comando Vermelho y al PCC para entrar.",4025.86,4031.84,{"idx":5095,"utterance_id":5096,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5097,"start_s":5093,"end_s":5098,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},845,"206108","El 100% de las talas hoy es para el contrabando de madera.",4036.14,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5100,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5101,"start_s":5102,"end_s":5103,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},"206109","Todo es de las facciones 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diversidad y la norma electoral.",4190.12,4193.74,{"idx":5325,"utterance_id":5326,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5327,"start_s":5328,"end_s":5329,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},884,"206147","Los partidos políticos y el Congreso han trabajado para reducir las reglas de cuotas, tanto de reserva de plazas como de financiación de campaña para... intentar aumentar el número de mujeres y negros en la política.",4194.26,4206.96,{"idx":5331,"utterance_id":5332,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5333,"start_s":5334,"end_s":5335,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},885,"206148","¿Cuál es su opinión sobre eso, señor?",4207.48,4209.5,{"idx":5337,"utterance_id":5338,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5339,"start_s":5340,"end_s":5341,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},886,"206149","Usted sabe que yo luché mucho y fui ponente de la reforma política en el Congreso Nacional, en la Cámara de Diputados.",4210.24,4216.4,{"idx":5343,"utterance_id":5344,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5345,"start_s":5346,"end_s":5347,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},887,"206150","Y me dediqué mucho a ese estudio, porque es una de las reformas en las que creo.",4217.12,4221.58,{"idx":5349,"utterance_id":5350,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5351,"start_s":5352,"end_s":5353,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},888,"206151","Y hoy veo que estamos caminando hacia un proceso en el que vamos a evolucionar.",4223.06,4228.78,{"idx":5355,"utterance_id":5356,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5357,"start_s":5358,"end_s":5359,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},889,"206152","Creo que vamos a tener.",4229.86,4231.36,{"idx":5361,"utterance_id":5362,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5363,"start_s":5364,"end_s":5365,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},890,"206153","Dos condiciones conjugadas 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incluir.",4249.22,4257.86,{"idx":5391,"utterance_id":5392,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5393,"start_s":5394,"end_s":5395,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},895,"206158","Porque en la lista del partido... se dan condiciones para que se pueda hacer exactamente eso.",4258.58,4263.78,{"idx":5397,"utterance_id":5398,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5399,"start_s":5400,"end_s":5401,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},896,"206159","Tome Suecia, por ejemplo, verá allí que hay una amplia mayoría de mujeres que son bien valoradas y, como tal, están en la cima de las listas de los partidos.",4264.7,4275.56,{"idx":5403,"utterance_id":5404,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5405,"start_s":5406,"end_s":5407,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},897,"206160","Entonces, esto es una reforma que no es de obligatoriedad, sino de la capacidad de poder tener algo que sea... Un sistema que cada vez más produzca esa capacidad.",4276.5,4290.68,{"idx":5409,"utterance_id":5410,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5411,"start_s":5412,"end_s":5413,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},898,"206161","Goiás, por ejemplo, tiene 17 diputados federales, 7 son mujeres.",4291.52,4295.4,{"idx":5415,"utterance_id":5416,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5417,"start_s":5418,"end_s":5419,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},899,"206162","Entonces verá, de mis secretarias de gobierno, las carteras más importantes están ocupadas por mujeres.",4296.98,4303.3,{"idx":5421,"utterance_id":5422,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5423,"start_s":5424,"end_s":5425,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},900,"206163","Pero sin ninguna discriminación contra nadie.",4304.88,4307,{"idx":5427,"utterance_id":5428,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5429,"start_s":5430,"end_s":5431,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},901,"206164","La presencia de la mujer hoy es algo impresionante.",4307.32,4310.62,{"idx":5433,"utterance_id":5434,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5435,"start_s":5436,"end_s":5437,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},902,"206165","En mi área, la medicina, hoy en el examen de ingreso, ellas son mayoría.",4310.96,4315,{"idx":5439,"utterance_id":5440,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5441,"start_s":5442,"end_s":5443,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},903,"206166","En todas las áreas de la administración, de la economía, usted está viendo un crecimiento enorme en eso.",4316.4,4322.08,{"idx":5445,"utterance_id":5446,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5447,"start_s":5448,"end_s":5449,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},904,"206167","Ellas se están imponiendo.",4322.28,4323.52,{"idx":5451,"utterance_id":5452,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5453,"start_s":5454,"end_s":5455,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},905,"206168","Creo que esto se presentará muy bien mañana como un gran cambio en el proceso electoral del país, para que pueda haber espacio y que la regionalización de los votos también pueda dar más solidez.",4323.8,4341.72,{"idx":5457,"utterance_id":5458,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5459,"start_s":5460,"end_s":5461,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},906,"206169","Aquellas personas que creen que en cada elección se puede estar migrando a la compra de colegios electorales.",4342.98,4349.72,{"idx":5463,"utterance_id":5464,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5465,"start_s":5466,"end_s":5467,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},907,"206170","Entonces usted va a exigir... ¿El distrital, no?",4349.9,4352.52,{"idx":5469,"utterance_id":5470,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5471,"start_s":5472,"end_s":5473,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},908,"206171","El distrital.",4353.8,4354.46,{"idx":5475,"utterance_id":5476,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5477,"start_s":5478,"end_s":5479,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},909,"206172","El distrital, sí. Entonces, el distrital.",4354.7,4355.76,{"idx":5481,"utterance_id":5482,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5483,"start_s":5484,"end_s":5485,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},910,"206173","Ese distrito aquí le impone a usted una mayor limitación en su área de competir y usted será mejor evaluado por sus electores.",4356.74,4367.58,{"idx":5487,"utterance_id":5488,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5489,"start_s":5490,"end_s":5491,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},911,"206174","La otra mitad la hace por voto en lista, con lo cual también daría la supervivencia de los partidos por las personas que tienen mejor representatividad.",4368.2,4376.82,{"idx":5493,"utterance_id":5494,"speaker_name":69,"text":5495,"start_s":5496,"end_s":5497,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},912,"206175","Gobernador, ¿cómo evalúa usted el trabajo del ministro Fernando Haddad?",4377.48,4381.98,{"idx":5499,"utterance_id":5500,"speaker_name":69,"text":5501,"start_s":5502,"end_s":5503,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},913,"206176","¿Cómo evalúa usted el trabajo del ministro Fernando Haddad?",4382.42,4384.88,{"idx":5505,"utterance_id":5506,"speaker_name":69,"text":5507,"start_s":5508,"end_s":5509,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},914,"206177","¿Qué soluciones económicas ha estudiado usted para Brasil?",4385,4388.46,{"idx":1164,"utterance_id":5511,"speaker_name":69,"text":5512,"start_s":5513,"end_s":5514,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},"206178","¿Se estudia, por ejemplo, desvincular la jubilación del salario mínimo, revisar programas como Bolsa Família?",4388.52,4394.56,{"idx":5516,"utterance_id":5517,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5518,"start_s":5519,"end_s":5520,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},916,"206179","El problema de Fernando Haddad, que ya no sé quién es, si es el ministro, si es él, si es la Glaise Hoffmann.",4396.22,4404.22,{"idx":5522,"utterance_id":5523,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5524,"start_s":5525,"end_s":5526,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},917,"206180","Quiero decir, ahí usted me preguntaba por qué la dificultad, a veces, de poder creer en el gobierno PT.",4405.28,4410.68,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":5528,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5529,"start_s":5530,"end_s":5531,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},"206181","La persona que pone a Glaise Hoffmann, Vera, entre nosotros dos, que ya tenemos más experiencia en esta política.",4412.9,4418.88,{"idx":5533,"utterance_id":5534,"speaker_name":69,"text":5535,"start_s":5536,"end_s":5537,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},919,"206182","Él la llamó 'vieja' en su cara.",4419.44,4420.7,{"idx":5539,"utterance_id":5540,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5541,"start_s":5542,"end_s":5543,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},920,"206183","No, no soy eso.",4420.72,4421.94,{"idx":5545,"utterance_id":5546,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5547,"start_s":5548,"end_s":5549,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},921,"206184","Estoy diciendo que tenemos una experiencia antigua.",4422.04,4424.22,{"idx":5551,"utterance_id":5552,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5553,"start_s":5554,"end_s":5555,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},922,"206185","Estoy diciendo que los conocemos bien.",4424.78,4426.48,{"idx":5557,"utterance_id":5558,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5559,"start_s":5560,"end_s":5561,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},923,"206186","La Gleisi Hoffmann.",4426.54,4427.38,{"idx":5563,"utterance_id":5564,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5565,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5567,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},924,"206187","Cuando alguien, un presidente, llama a Gleisi Hoffmann para ser la ministra de interlocución política, no quiere gobernar el país.",4427.4,4436.78,{"idx":5569,"utterance_id":5570,"speaker_name":69,"text":5571,"start_s":5572,"end_s":5573,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},925,"206188","Bueno, pero los líderes de la...",4436.82,4437.86,{"idx":5575,"utterance_id":5576,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5577,"start_s":5578,"end_s":5579,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},926,"206189","No, el mayor opositor de Haddad era Gleisi.",4438.02,4440.7,{"idx":5581,"utterance_id":5582,"speaker_name":69,"text":5583,"start_s":5584,"end_s":5585,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},927,"206190","Pero los líderes de la Cámara de Diputados y del Senado dicen que la relación mejoró después de que ella asumió el cargo.",4441,4445.78,{"idx":5587,"utterance_id":5588,"speaker_name":69,"text":5589,"start_s":5590,"end_s":5591,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},928,"206191","¿Ella qué?",4446.26,4446.58,{"idx":5593,"utterance_id":5594,"speaker_name":69,"text":5595,"start_s":5596,"end_s":5597,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},929,"206192","Los líderes en la Cámara de Diputados y en el Senado dicen que la relación con el gobierno mejoró después de que Gleisi asumió el cargo, incluso el propio líder del PL, el partido de Bolsonaro.",4447.12,4455.5,{"idx":5599,"utterance_id":5600,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5601,"start_s":5602,"end_s":5603,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},930,"206193","Bueno, mira, puedo decirte, Thais, conviví con ella en la Cámara de Diputados y en el Senado.",4456.78,4462.48,{"idx":5605,"utterance_id":5606,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5607,"start_s":5608,"end_s":5609,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},931,"206194","Ella nunca fue conciliadora, en ningún momento.",4462.92,4465.8,{"idx":5611,"utterance_id":5612,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5613,"start_s":5614,"end_s":5615,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},932,"206195","Jamás ella fue conciliadora.",4467.02,4468.72,{"idx":5617,"utterance_id":5618,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5619,"start_s":5620,"end_s":5621,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},933,"206196","Ella, por el contrario, no sabe convivir en grupo.",4469.12,4473.18,{"idx":5623,"utterance_id":5624,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5625,"start_s":5626,"end_s":5627,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},934,"206197","O la voluntad de ella prevalece, o ella... hace explotar la base de su gobierno.",4473.42,4479.02,{"idx":5629,"utterance_id":5630,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5631,"start_s":5632,"end_s":5633,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},935,"206198","Ves que no consiguieron votaciones significativas.",4479.6,4482.3,{"idx":5635,"utterance_id":5636,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5637,"start_s":5638,"end_s":5639,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},936,"206199","Ella fue líder del gobierno.",4482.68,4484.18,{"idx":5641,"utterance_id":5642,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5643,"start_s":5644,"end_s":5645,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},937,"206200","Como líder del gobierno, tú pacificas el Congreso Nacional.",4484.82,4487.74,{"idx":5647,"utterance_id":5648,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5649,"start_s":5650,"end_s":5651,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},938,"206201","Pacíficas a tu bancada.",4488.1,4489.88,{"idx":5653,"utterance_id":5654,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5655,"start_s":5656,"end_s":5657,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},939,"206202","Amplías tus gestiones en las votaciones.",4490.24,4493.08,{"idx":5659,"utterance_id":5660,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5661,"start_s":5662,"end_s":5663,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},940,"206203","Ella nunca logró construir eso.",4493.3,4494.84,{"idx":5665,"utterance_id":5666,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5667,"start_s":5668,"end_s":5669,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},941,"206204","Ella estaba en la Cámara de Diputados.",4495.56,4496.6,{"idx":5671,"utterance_id":5672,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5673,"start_s":5674,"end_s":5675,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},942,"206205","Ella era líder del gobierno.",4496.86,4498.22,{"idx":5677,"utterance_id":5678,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5679,"start_s":5680,"end_s":5681,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},943,"206206","Ella fomentaba la discordia.",4498.78,4500.36,{"idx":5683,"utterance_id":5684,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5685,"start_s":5686,"end_s":5687,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},944,"206207","Ella fue la persona que desmoralizó a Haddad desde el principio.",4501.22,4504.74,{"idx":5689,"utterance_id":5690,"speaker_name":69,"text":5691,"start_s":5692,"end_s":5693,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},945,"206208","Pero entendí que Bianca pidió una evaluación de Haddad, ¿usted está haciendo una evaluación de Glaze?",4505.58,4511.06,{"idx":5695,"utterance_id":5696,"speaker_name":69,"text":3562,"start_s":5697,"end_s":5698,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},946,"206209",4511.08,4512.02,{"idx":5700,"utterance_id":5701,"speaker_name":69,"text":5702,"start_s":5703,"end_s":5704,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},947,"206210","Ella pidió una evaluación de Haddad, ¿usted está haciendo 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a quién puso para hablar sobre el LCA y el LCI.",4539.88,4543.94,{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2938,"start_s":5732,"end_s":5733,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},952,"206215",4544.88,4545.32,{"idx":5735,"utterance_id":5736,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5737,"start_s":5738,"end_s":5739,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},953,"206216","Ahora no lo sé.",4545.36,4546,{"idx":5741,"utterance_id":5742,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5743,"start_s":5744,"end_s":5745,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},954,"206217","Entonces, ni siquiera ese respeto le tienen a él.",4546.4,4549.74,{"idx":5747,"utterance_id":5748,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5749,"start_s":5750,"end_s":5751,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},955,"206218","Ahora el IOF, no, quien va a tratar el IOF ahora es el ministro de Transporte.",4550.76,4553.9,{"idx":5753,"utterance_id":5754,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5755,"start_s":5756,"end_s":5757,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},956,"206219","Ahora, ¿quién va a ser el encargado del LCA y del LCI?",4554.2,4557.04,{"idx":5759,"utterance_id":5760,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5761,"start_s":5762,"end_s":5763,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},957,"206220","Ahora no sé quién fue el que fue asignado para hablar.",4557.48,4559.62,{"idx":5765,"utterance_id":5766,"speaker_name":69,"text":5767,"start_s":5768,"end_s":5769,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},958,"206221","Era él quien estaba hablando.",4559.74,4560.52,{"idx":5771,"utterance_id":5772,"speaker_name":69,"text":5773,"start_s":5774,"end_s":5775,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},959,"206222","Debe haber sido el ministro.",4560.54,4561.72,{"idx":5777,"utterance_id":5778,"speaker_name":69,"text":5779,"start_s":5780,"end_s":5781,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},960,"206223","Fue el propio ministro Adad.",4562.46,4563.76,{"idx":5783,"utterance_id":5784,"speaker_name":69,"text":5785,"start_s":5786,"end_s":5787,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},961,"206224","Ayer fue él.",4563.78,4565.2,{"idx":5789,"utterance_id":5790,"speaker_name":69,"text":5791,"start_s":5792,"end_s":5793,"word_count":203,"indexable":74},962,"206225","Déjalo sólo que termine para Bianca, porque ella preguntó por sus propuestas para la economía y usted no dijo nada.",4566.2,4570.38,{"idx":5795,"utterance_id":5796,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5797,"start_s":5798,"end_s":5799,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},963,"206226","Voy a discutirlo contigo, Bianca.",4570.4,4571.5,{"idx":5801,"utterance_id":5802,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5803,"start_s":5804,"end_s":5805,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},964,"206227","Entonces, sobre la situación de Adad, tú no sabes lo que va a hacer.",4571.64,4575.04,{"idx":5807,"utterance_id":5808,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5809,"start_s":5810,"end_s":5811,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},965,"206228","Él te dijo lo siguiente, mira, voy a recortar... 10% que es su propuesta, ¿no es eso?",4576.22,4582.04,{"idx":5813,"utterance_id":5814,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5815,"start_s":5816,"end_s":5817,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},966,"206229","De todas las renuncias fiscales.",4582.52,4585.06,{"idx":5819,"utterance_id":5820,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5821,"start_s":5817,"end_s":5822,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},967,"206230","10%.",4585.1,{"idx":5824,"utterance_id":5825,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5826,"start_s":5827,"end_s":5828,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},968,"206231","Pero entonces le pedí a mi asesor que averiguara cuántas renuncias fiscales 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ámbito?",4607.4,4609.66,{"idx":5854,"utterance_id":5855,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5856,"start_s":5857,"end_s":5858,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},973,"206236","Mi propuesta es exactamente recortar 1% de lo que es la proporción deuda\u002FPIB.",4609.68,4615.92,{"idx":5860,"utterance_id":5861,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5862,"start_s":5858,"end_s":5863,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},974,"206237","1% al año.",4617.96,{"idx":5865,"utterance_id":5866,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5867,"start_s":5868,"end_s":5869,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},975,"206238","Exactamente, esa es mi propuesta.",4618.54,4620.26,{"idx":5871,"utterance_id":5872,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5873,"start_s":5874,"end_s":5875,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},976,"206239","No será un marco fiscal, no será un techo de gasto.",4620.7,4624.5,{"idx":5877,"utterance_id":5878,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5879,"start_s":5880,"end_s":5881,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},977,"206240","Lo que voy a recortar, con mucha claridad, es lo siguiente.",4625.3,4627.96,{"idx":5883,"utterance_id":5884,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5885,"start_s":5886,"end_s":5887,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},978,"206241","Cada año garantizo entregar un recorte del 1% sobre el porcentaje de la deuda\u002FPIB.",4628.06,4633.98,{"idx":5889,"utterance_id":5890,"speaker_name":69,"text":5891,"start_s":5892,"end_s":5893,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},979,"206242","¿Pero dónde?",4634.38,4634.9,{"idx":5895,"utterance_id":5896,"speaker_name":69,"text":5897,"start_s":5898,"end_s":5899,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},980,"206243","¿Va a 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gobierno.",4640.8,4647.74,{"idx":5924,"utterance_id":5925,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5926,"start_s":5927,"end_s":5928,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},985,"206248","Tomé un Estado quebrado, desmantelado, bloqueado en el Tesoro.",4648.52,4651.7,{"idx":5930,"utterance_id":5931,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5932,"start_s":5933,"end_s":5934,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},986,"206249","Hoy tengo un Estado que cumple totalmente las reglas de equilibrio fiscal y con dinero en caja.",4652.12,4658.62,{"idx":5936,"utterance_id":5937,"speaker_name":69,"text":5938,"start_s":5939,"end_s":5940,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},987,"206250","¿Quién va a hacer eso, gobernador?",4659.06,4660.16,{"idx":5942,"utterance_id":5943,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5944,"start_s":5945,"end_s":5946,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},988,"206251","Lo que estoy diciendo es 1% de la deuda\u002FPIB, que... El gobierno de Lula ya aumentó la deuda\u002FPIB en 4,3% en dos años y seis meses.",4660.18,4672.42,{"idx":5948,"utterance_id":5949,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5950,"start_s":5951,"end_s":5952,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},989,"206252","La previsión es que llegue al 82% de la deuda\u002FPIB al final de su mandato.",4673.58,4679.78,{"idx":5954,"utterance_id":5955,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5956,"start_s":5957,"end_s":5958,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},990,"206253","Entonces mira bien la escala de endeudamiento del país.",4680.38,4684.54,{"idx":5960,"utterance_id":5961,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5962,"start_s":5963,"end_s":5964,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},991,"206254","El gasto público actual del gobierno, el 41% del gasto público hoy son intereses y... cuotas.",4685.24,4695.1,{"idx":5966,"utterance_id":5967,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5968,"start_s":5964,"end_s":5969,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},992,"206255","41% de lo que se gasta del total de la recaudación.",4698.86,{"idx":5971,"utterance_id":5972,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5973,"start_s":5974,"end_s":5975,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},993,"206256","Y Brasil batió este año el récord en recaudación.",4698.88,4701.78,{"idx":5977,"utterance_id":5978,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5979,"start_s":5975,"end_s":5980,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},994,"206257","Se le cobró a la población brasileña el 32,7%.",4708.02,{"idx":5982,"utterance_id":5983,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5984,"start_s":5985,"end_s":5986,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},995,"206258","El mayor porcentaje solo será mayor cuando introduzcan el IVA, entonces superará el 32%.",4708.42,4716.76,{"idx":5988,"utterance_id":5989,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":5990,"start_s":5991,"end_s":5992,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},996,"206259","Hoy ya... ya exprime al brasileño, ya mete la mano en el bolsillo del brasileño en un 32,7% de aquello, de todo lo que es el PIB nacional.",4717.1,4728.12,{"idx":5994,"utterance_id":5995,"speaker_name":69,"text":5996,"start_s":5997,"end_s":5998,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},997,"206260","Gobernador, ésta es rápida para que no se nos acabe el tiempo de este bloque.",4728.4,4732.26,{"idx":6000,"utterance_id":6001,"speaker_name":69,"text":6002,"start_s":6003,"end_s":6004,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},998,"206261","¿Quién será su ministro de Hacienda para hacer eso de lo que usted está hablando?",4732.72,4735.26,{"idx":6006,"utterance_id":6007,"speaker_name":69,"text":6008,"start_s":6009,"end_s":6010,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},999,"206262","No puedo decirlo hoy.",4735.28,4736.28,{"idx":6012,"utterance_id":6013,"speaker_name":69,"text":6014,"start_s":6015,"end_s":6016,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1000,"206263","¿Por qué no?",4736.44,4736.9,{"idx":6018,"utterance_id":6019,"speaker_name":69,"text":6020,"start_s":6021,"end_s":6022,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1001,"206264","Nadie está viendo, solo entre nosotros.",4737.68,4738.82,{"idx":6024,"utterance_id":6025,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6026,"start_s":6027,"end_s":6028,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},1002,"206265","Por el amor de Dios, voy a presentar mi equipo para usted antes.",4738.88,4742.76,{"idx":6030,"utterance_id":6031,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6032,"start_s":6033,"end_s":6034,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1003,"206266","Pero es uno, es uno.",4742.78,4743.34,{"idx":6036,"utterance_id":6037,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6038,"start_s":6039,"end_s":6040,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1004,"206267","Esto es una pieza clave, esto es fundamental.",4743.38,4745.66,{"idx":6042,"utterance_id":6043,"speaker_name":69,"text":6044,"start_s":6045,"end_s":6046,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1005,"206268","Pero ¿usted ya tiene ese nombre?",4745.68,4746.8,{"idx":6048,"utterance_id":6049,"speaker_name":69,"text":6050,"start_s":6051,"end_s":6052,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1006,"206269","¿No lo va a decir, pero ya tiene ese nombre?",4746.82,4749.54,{"idx":6054,"utterance_id":6055,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6056,"start_s":6057,"end_s":6058,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1007,"206270","Lógico que lo tengo.",4749.56,4750,{"idx":6060,"utterance_id":6061,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6062,"start_s":6063,"end_s":6064,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1008,"206271","Pero no puedo.",4750.02,4750.7,{"idx":6066,"utterance_id":6067,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6068,"start_s":6069,"end_s":6070,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},1009,"206272","Esto es algo que saben que esas personas quieren: reserva, las personas quieren tranquilidad para poder trabajar.",4750.72,4756.94,{"idx":6072,"utterance_id":6073,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6074,"start_s":6075,"end_s":6076,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1010,"206273","Las personas no pueden permanecer expuestas así.",4757.02,4759.64,{"idx":6078,"utterance_id":6079,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6080,"start_s":6081,"end_s":6082,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},1011,"206274","Después de todo, ellas tienen una vida, son personas renombradas en sus áreas.",4759.66,4764.54,{"idx":6084,"utterance_id":6085,"speaker_name":69,"text":6086,"start_s":6087,"end_s":6088,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},1012,"206275","Pero en la campaña, muchas veces, esto ha sido necesario precisamente para definir... el apoyo de sectores importantes de la economía.",4764.56,4774.3,{"idx":6090,"utterance_id":6091,"speaker_name":69,"text":6092,"start_s":6093,"end_s":6094,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},1013,"206276","Algunos candidatos hacen eso, anunciar anticipadamente a algunos ministros como forma de señalar hacia dónde van.",4774.34,4779.58,{"idx":6096,"utterance_id":6097,"speaker_name":69,"text":6098,"start_s":6099,"end_s":6100,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},1014,"206277","¿Cree usted que más adelante usted podrá hablar de eso?",4780.22,4782.7,{"idx":6102,"utterance_id":6103,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6104,"start_s":6105,"end_s":6106,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},1015,"206278","Pero esa gente conoce a Ronaldo Carada, sabe que yo cumplo mi palabra y sabe que gobernaré con mucho equilibrio, con mucha mesura, como gobierno mi Estado.",4782.72,4793.5,{"idx":6108,"utterance_id":6109,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6110,"start_s":6111,"end_s":6112,"word_count":167,"indexable":74},1016,"206279","Con mucha seriedad, palabra dada, compromiso y también asesorándome con lo mejor que haya.",4794.38,4800.4,{"idx":6114,"utterance_id":6115,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6116,"start_s":6117,"end_s":6118,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},1017,"206280","Mis secretarios tienen que ser mucho mejores que yo en sus áreas.",4801.04,4805.3,{"idx":6120,"utterance_id":6121,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6122,"start_s":6123,"end_s":6124,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1018,"206281","Yo los evalúo.",4805.9,4806.94,{"idx":6126,"utterance_id":6127,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6128,"start_s":6129,"end_s":6130,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},1019,"206282","Si no saben presentar la tarea, no tienen por qué estar en mi gobierno.",4807.14,4811.64,{"idx":6132,"utterance_id":6133,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6134,"start_s":6135,"end_s":6136,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1020,"206283","Entonces, mi gobierno está formado por personas técnicas.",4812.92,4815.56,{"idx":6138,"utterance_id":6139,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6140,"start_s":6141,"end_s":6142,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1021,"206284","El que hace la política es Ronaldo Ferrado.",4815.72,4817.36,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":6144,"speaker_name":69,"text":6145,"start_s":6146,"end_s":6147,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},"206285","Entonces vamos a hacer nuestra última pausa.",4817.62,4820.02,{"idx":6149,"utterance_id":6150,"speaker_name":69,"text":6151,"start_s":6152,"end_s":6153,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},1023,"206286","Volvemos al último bloque para cerrar este programa con todos los asuntos tan palpitantes que él trajo.",4820.44,4825.86,{"idx":6155,"utterance_id":6156,"speaker_name":69,"text":6157,"start_s":6158,"end_s":6159,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1024,"206287","No se 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locales.",4866.18,4872.4,{"idx":6184,"utterance_id":6185,"speaker_name":69,"text":6186,"start_s":6187,"end_s":6188,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1029,"206292","Una contingencia aún mayor: que se trata de la fusión de al menos tres partidos en los últimos años.",4873.14,4881.34,{"idx":6190,"utterance_id":6191,"speaker_name":69,"text":6192,"start_s":6193,"end_s":6194,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1030,"206293","¿Qué garantía tiene usted de que esa sigla, tan dividida y tan nominada por caciques regionales, le dará la candidatura para ser candidato a la presidencia?",4881.36,4890.18,{"idx":6196,"utterance_id":6197,"speaker_name":69,"text":6198,"start_s":6199,"end_s":6200,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},1031,"206294","Y además, si le niegan esa candidatura, ¿usted cambiaría de partido?",4890.22,4893.84,{"idx":6202,"utterance_id":6203,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6204,"start_s":6205,"end_s":6206,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1032,"206295","Bueno, adelantar en el 'si'.",4894.76,4896.14,{"idx":6208,"utterance_id":6209,"speaker_name":69,"text":6210,"start_s":6211,"end_s":6212,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1033,"206296","No, el 'si' es importante.",4896.16,4898.78,{"idx":6214,"utterance_id":6215,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6216,"start_s":6217,"end_s":6218,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1034,"206297","Adelantando en el 'si', vamos a llegar a aquello que es la realidad.",4898.8,4902.06,{"idx":6220,"utterance_id":6221,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6222,"start_s":6223,"end_s":6224,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1035,"206298","¿Cuál es la realidad?",4902.12,4902.98,{"idx":6226,"utterance_id":6227,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6228,"start_s":6229,"end_s":6230,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},1036,"206299","Tengo que hacer mi parte en lo que estoy haciendo.",4903.72,4905.82,{"idx":6232,"utterance_id":6233,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6234,"start_s":6235,"end_s":6236,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1037,"206300","Estoy recorriendo Brasil, estoy debatiendo, estoy discutiendo, estoy en todas las áreas, estoy intentando mostrar exactamente lo que entiendo.",4906.48,4915.12,{"idx":6238,"utterance_id":6239,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6240,"start_s":6241,"end_s":6242,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},1038,"206301","Y además de eso, si usted ve, si anota la última encuesta de Quest, verá que Ronaldo Caiado salió de 23 y ya llegó a 33.",4915.98,4926.66,{"idx":6244,"utterance_id":6245,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6246,"start_s":6247,"end_s":6248,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1039,"206302","¿Cierto?",4927.68,4928.04,{"idx":6250,"utterance_id":6251,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6252,"start_s":6253,"end_s":6254,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1040,"206303","Entonces... Usted ve que salí de esa condición que estaba en 23% y ya estoy en 33%.",4928.24,4934.34,{"idx":6256,"utterance_id":6257,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6258,"start_s":6259,"end_s":6260,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1041,"206304","Entonces, mi curva está maravillosa.",4935.6,4936.9,{"idx":6262,"utterance_id":6263,"speaker_name":69,"text":6264,"start_s":6265,"end_s":6266,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1042,"206305","¿En qué escenario?",4936.92,4938.12,{"idx":6268,"utterance_id":6269,"speaker_name":69,"text":6264,"start_s":6270,"end_s":6271,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1043,"206306",4938.14,4939.92,{"idx":6273,"utterance_id":6274,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6275,"start_s":6276,"end_s":6277,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1044,"206307","En la segunda vuelta.",4939.94,4941.52,{"idx":6279,"utterance_id":6280,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6281,"start_s":6282,"end_s":6283,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1045,"206308","¿Segunda vuelta, es eso?",4942.76,4943.74,{"idx":6285,"utterance_id":6286,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6287,"start_s":6288,"end_s":6289,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1046,"206309","Ah, segunda vuelta.",4943.78,4944.32,{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},1047,"206310","Entonces, usted ya ve, 33%, yo ya yendo así y Lula así.",4944.36,4949.2,{"idx":6297,"utterance_id":6298,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6299,"start_s":6300,"end_s":6301,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1048,"206311","Entonces, esa es una realidad.",4949.92,4951.88,{"idx":6303,"utterance_id":6304,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6305,"start_s":6306,"end_s":6307,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1049,"206312","Pues, si yo avanzo, ¿por qué ustedes preguntan?",4952.26,4955.8,{"idx":6309,"utterance_id":6310,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6311,"start_s":6312,"end_s":6313,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1050,"206313","¿Por qué están ustedes con tanta antelación?",4955.82,4957.66,{"idx":6315,"utterance_id":6316,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":249,"start_s":6317,"end_s":6318,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1051,"206314",4957.68,4958.24,{"idx":6320,"utterance_id":6321,"speaker_name":69,"text":6322,"start_s":6323,"end_s":6324,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1052,"206315","No, ahora pregunté otra cosa.",4958.78,4960.3,{"idx":6326,"utterance_id":6327,"speaker_name":69,"text":6328,"start_s":6329,"end_s":6330,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1053,"206316","¿Qué garantía tiene usted del partido?",4960.34,4962.28,{"idx":6332,"utterance_id":6333,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6334,"start_s":6335,"end_s":6336,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1054,"206317","¿Cuándo será la decisión partidaria?",4962.3,4965.12,{"idx":6338,"utterance_id":6339,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6340,"start_s":6336,"end_s":6341,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1055,"206318","16 de julio de 2026.",4966.46,{"idx":6343,"utterance_id":6344,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6345,"start_s":6346,"end_s":6347,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1056,"206319","Entonces, todavía tenemos más de un año por delante.",4967.2,4973.38,{"idx":6349,"utterance_id":6350,"speaker_name":69,"text":6351,"start_s":6352,"end_s":6353,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},1057,"206320","Y entonces ya no le dará tiempo, señor, para cambiar de partido.",4973.42,4975.34,{"idx":6355,"utterance_id":6356,"speaker_name":69,"text":6357,"start_s":6358,"end_s":6359,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},1058,"206321","Quiero saber en qué momento usted tomará esa 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me quedo ahí, no voy a priorizar las cosas, ¿está bien?",5038.7,5041.38,{"idx":6492,"utterance_id":6493,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6494,"start_s":6495,"end_s":6496,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1081,"206344","Es el 'si'.",5042,5043.22,{"idx":6498,"utterance_id":6499,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6500,"start_s":6501,"end_s":6502,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1082,"206345","Quién sabe, tal vez vaya a ser candidato a la vicepresidencia.",5043.6,5045.6,{"idx":6504,"utterance_id":6505,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6506,"start_s":6507,"end_s":6508,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},1083,"206346","Nunca vi a nadie ser candidato a vicepresidente, ¿usted ha visto?",5045.62,5047.58,{"idx":6510,"utterance_id":6511,"speaker_name":69,"text":6512,"start_s":6513,"end_s":6514,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1084,"206347","¿Usted no cambiaría de partido o intentaría otro cargo?",5047.6,5049.74,{"idx":6516,"utterance_id":6517,"speaker_name":69,"text":6512,"start_s":6518,"end_s":6519,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1085,"206348",5049.76,5052.32,{"idx":6521,"utterance_id":6522,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6523,"start_s":6524,"end_s":6525,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},1086,"206349","Pero, ¿cómo voy a anticipar una decisión así si estoy creciendo de una manera así, de 23 a 36 puntos porcentuales?",5053.1,5060.66,{"idx":6527,"utterance_id":6528,"speaker_name":69,"text":6529,"start_s":6530,"end_s":6531,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1087,"206350","En cinco meses.",5060.8,5062.84,{"idx":6533,"utterance_id":6534,"speaker_name":69,"text":6535,"start_s":6536,"end_s":6537,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1088,"206351","¿En cinco meses estoy creciendo tanto?",5065.96,5068.3,{"idx":6539,"utterance_id":6540,"speaker_name":69,"text":6541,"start_s":6542,"end_s":6543,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1089,"206352","Aquí en cinco segundos usted creció tres puntos.",5068.58,5072.38,{"idx":6545,"utterance_id":6546,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6547,"start_s":6548,"end_s":6549,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1090,"206353","Usted había dicho 33, ya pasó a 36.",5072.46,5075.32,{"idx":6551,"utterance_id":6552,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6553,"start_s":6554,"end_s":6555,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},1091,"206354","Gobernador, un escenario posible, hablo de encuesta ahora: candidato Lula en la reelección y la derecha fragmentada con varias candidaturas.",5075.34,5085.74,{"idx":6557,"utterance_id":6558,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6559,"start_s":6560,"end_s":6561,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1092,"206355","Perfecto.",5085.84,5086.18,{"idx":6563,"utterance_id":6564,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6565,"start_s":6566,"end_s":6567,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},1093,"206356","Una posibilidad es usted como candidato y alguien indicado por 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la vida, usted tiene que tener condiciones para poder disputar con contenido, con credibilidad moral, para poder decir que usted no es representante de nadie, que no es portavoz de terceros.",5191.1,5204.4,{"idx":6753,"utterance_id":6754,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2938,"start_s":6755,"end_s":6756,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1125,"206388",5204.42,5205.4,{"idx":6758,"utterance_id":6759,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6760,"start_s":6761,"end_s":6762,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1126,"206389","Esa es la realidad.",5205.86,5206.76,{"idx":6764,"utterance_id":6765,"speaker_name":69,"text":6766,"start_s":6767,"end_s":6768,"word_count":219,"indexable":74},1127,"206390","Goiás, que es el estado que usted gobierna por segundo mandato, es el tercer estado con mayor número de muertes causadas por la policía.",5208,5215.7,{"idx":6770,"utterance_id":6771,"speaker_name":69,"text":6772,"start_s":6773,"end_s":6774,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},1128,"206391","Y 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Goiás.",5332.2,5333.62,{"idx":6982,"utterance_id":6983,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":2938,"start_s":6984,"end_s":6985,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1164,"206427",5333.64,5334.26,{"idx":6987,"utterance_id":6988,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6989,"start_s":6990,"end_s":6991,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1165,"206428","Ahora, preste atención a cuál es el reflejo de eso.",5335.08,5337.74,{"idx":6993,"utterance_id":6994,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":6995,"start_s":6996,"end_s":6997,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},1166,"206429","Mire bien, tengo el IDEB, que es el primero de Brasil.",5338.62,5341.48,{"idx":6999,"utterance_id":7000,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7001,"start_s":7002,"end_s":7003,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1167,"206430","Tengo la mejor educación del 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profesoras en los alrededores de Brasilia.",5353.3,5356.82,{"idx":7035,"utterance_id":7036,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7037,"start_s":7038,"end_s":7039,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},1173,"206436","La ciudad de Valparaíso era la ciudad más violenta de Brasil.",5356.84,5359.74,{"idx":7041,"utterance_id":7042,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7043,"start_s":7044,"end_s":7045,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1174,"206437","Al entrar en la ciudad, un cartel en la entrada.",5359.82,5362.26,{"idx":7047,"utterance_id":7048,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7049,"start_s":7050,"end_s":7051,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},1175,"206438","Vaya hoy: usted anda donde quiera, de día o de noche, donde quiera.",5362.84,5365.7,{"idx":7053,"utterance_id":7054,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7055,"start_s":7056,"end_s":7057,"word_count":134,"indexable":74},1176,"206439","Come en cualquier restaurante, va a cualquier barcito a las cuatro de la mañana.",5365.8,5369.64,{"idx":7059,"utterance_id":7060,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7061,"start_s":7062,"end_s":7063,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1177,"206440","Ahora quiero darles un dato mayor, para que sepan, que es importante que sepan.",5370.54,5374.64,{"idx":7065,"utterance_id":7066,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7067,"start_s":7068,"end_s":7069,"word_count":129,"indexable":74},1178,"206441","¿Sabe cuántos jóvenes tengo hoy en el socioeducativo?",5375.04,5378.72,{"idx":7071,"utterance_id":7072,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7073,"start_s":7069,"end_s":7074,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1179,"206442","178.",5378.76,{"idx":7076,"utterance_id":7077,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7078,"start_s":7079,"end_s":7080,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1180,"206443","Entonces, Thaís, cuando usted aplica seguridad pública...",5381.48,5385.8,{"idx":7082,"utterance_id":7083,"speaker_name":69,"text":7084,"start_s":7085,"end_s":7086,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},1181,"206444","La letalidad policial se justifica con esos índices.",5385.82,5387.1,{"idx":7088,"utterance_id":7089,"speaker_name":69,"text":7090,"start_s":7091,"end_s":7092,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1182,"206445","Cuando usted aplica seguridad pública, ¿está bien?",5387.12,5390.22,{"idx":7094,"utterance_id":7095,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7096,"start_s":7097,"end_s":7098,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1183,"206446","Usted provoca una tranquilidad, no hay espacio para el crimen.",5390.94,5395.02,{"idx":7100,"utterance_id":7101,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7102,"start_s":7103,"end_s":7104,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},1184,"206447","Nadie va a reverenciar al crimen, nadie va a estar subordinado al 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gobernador.",5512.72,5516.54,{"idx":7244,"utterance_id":7245,"speaker_name":69,"text":7246,"start_s":7247,"end_s":7248,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},1208,"206471","¿A qué punto ha llegado esta complacencia con el crimen en Brasil?",5516.56,5520.96,{"idx":7250,"utterance_id":7251,"speaker_name":69,"text":7252,"start_s":7253,"end_s":7254,"word_count":196,"indexable":74},1209,"206472","No, complacencia no, yo solo pregunté si la letalidad policial se justifica, si está justificada por los índices de seguridad del Estado, gobernador.",5520.98,5527.48,{"idx":7256,"utterance_id":7257,"speaker_name":69,"text":7258,"start_s":7259,"end_s":7260,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},1210,"206473","De repente ocurre un problema con el bandido, aquello, ah, no es posible, ocurrió un problema.",5527.5,5533.16,{"idx":7262,"utterance_id":7263,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7264,"start_s":7265,"end_s":7266,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},1211,"206474","El pobre desgraciado del policía hoy no tiene ni siquiera el valor de llegar a su casa.",5533.76,5537.24,{"idx":7268,"utterance_id":7269,"speaker_name":179,"speaker_slug":180,"text":7270,"start_s":7271,"end_s":7272,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1212,"206475","Última del programa.",5537.7,5538.38,{"idx":7274,"utterance_id":7275,"speaker_name":69,"text":7276,"start_s":7277,"end_s":7278,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1213,"206476","Gobernador, voy a pedir solo para...",5538.4,5540.12,{"idx":7280,"utterance_id":7281,"speaker_name":69,"text":7282,"start_s":7283,"end_s":7284,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1214,"206477","Entonces, solo para entender.",5540.14,5541.52,{"idx":7286,"utterance_id":7287,"speaker_name":69,"text":7288,"start_s":7289,"end_s":7290,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1215,"206478","Los gobernadores, sus colegas del mismo campo político que adoptan cámaras en sus policías, ¿están 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