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entes.",{"idx":356,"utterance_id":357,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":358,"start_s":359,"end_s":360,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":362,"indexable":74},44,"212412","Hoy la cooperación no es la regla.",270.28,271.96,"neutro_descritivo","afirma que 'a cooperação não é a regra' hoy, describiendo el panorama.",{"idx":364,"utterance_id":365,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":366,"start_s":367,"end_s":368,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":369,"indexable":74},45,"212413","La cooperación es la excepción.",272.46,273.94,"dice que la cooperación es actualmente la excepción, describiendo el problema.",{"idx":371,"utterance_id":372,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":373,"start_s":374,"end_s":375,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":376,"indexable":257},46,"212414","Si integramos las fuerzas, si organizamos el Estado para combatir el crimen organizado, el crimen organizado no podrá ir con nosotros.",274.76,282.2,"defiende integrar las fuerzas como forma de neutralizar el crimen organizado.",{"idx":378,"utterance_id":379,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":380,"start_s":381,"end_s":382,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":384,"indexable":257},47,"212415","Pero mientras estemos fragmentados y con una disputa, una falsa disputa por el protagonismo, no vamos a llegar allí.",282.82,289.62,0.85,"critica la fragmentación y la disputa por protagonismo como obstáculos para la cooperación.",{"idx":386,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":391,"indexable":74},48,"212416","Hoy los crímenes ya no son regionales.",290.36,292.8,"afirma que los delitos dejaron de ser meramente regionales.",{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":398,"indexable":257},49,"212417","Uno de los errores del actual gobernador, aquí de São Paulo, es que todavía piensa con una mente pequeña, como si el crimen hubiera ocurrido solo en este territorio.",293.58,302.12,"critica al gobernador por pensar localmente, defendiendo la 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problema tiene repercusión internacional y requiere cooperación externa.",{"idx":416,"utterance_id":417,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":418,"start_s":419,"end_s":420,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":412,"target_proposition":413,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":421,"indexable":74},52,"212420","Incluso la cooperación tiene que ser internacional.",315.62,318.1,"declara que la cooperación debe ser internacional.",{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":412,"target_proposition":413,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":429,"indexable":257},53,"212421","Estamos buscando, incluso con el gobierno de Estados Unidos, esa cooperación.",318.44,322.34,0.8,"afirma que están buscando cooperación con el gobierno de los Estados Unidos.",{"idx":431,"utterance_id":432,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":433,"start_s":434,"end_s":435,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":412,"target_proposition":413,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":436,"indexable":74},54,"212422","La Receita ya firmó convenios recientes en esa misma perspectiva.",322.66,326.46,"informa que la Receita firmó convenios en esa perspectiva.",{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":69,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":443,"target_proposition":444,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":445,"indexable":74},55,"212423","El hecho de que hayan declarado al PCC y al Comando Vermelho como entidades terroristas, ¿usted está a favor de eso, entonces?",326.9,334,"3c290888-40da-4ca3-bf93-2a4bdbd3d4b2","clasificar facciones criminales como organizaciones terroristas y ampliar penas","pregunta del entrevistador si el candidato está a favor de la clasificación.",{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":443,"target_proposition":444,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":452,"indexable":74},56,"212424","Eso es una cuestión menor.",334.38,335.64,"califica la clasificación como 'questão menor' y distingue terrorismo de mafia.",{"idx":454,"utterance_id":455,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":456,"start_s":457,"end_s":458,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":443,"target_proposition":444,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":459,"indexable":74},57,"212425","¿Cómo lo va a llamar?",335.68,336.66,"minimiza la etiqueta y cuestiona su utilidad ('Como é que você vai 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detallar.",{"idx":482,"utterance_id":483,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":484,"start_s":485,"end_s":486,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":487,"target_proposition":488,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":489,"rationale":490,"indexable":257},61,"212429","Y aquí en São Paulo, no tenemos, primero, hoy no tenemos una policía valorada.",343.6,348.74,"2f885c22-1307-4a85-9ff8-cb36b7fa7583","valorar a policías estatales mediante remuneración y fortalecer mecanismos de control disciplinario",0.86,"dice que hoy 'não temos uma polícia valorizada' y señala la necesidad.",{"idx":150,"utterance_id":492,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":493,"start_s":494,"end_s":495,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},"212430","No la 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desfasada y que falta IA.",{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":509,"target_proposition":510,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":518,"indexable":74},65,"212433","No hay inteligencia artificial.",359.24,360.68,"reitera la ausencia de inteligencia artificial en la seguridad estatal.",{"idx":520,"utterance_id":521,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":522,"start_s":523,"end_s":524,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":509,"target_proposition":510,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":525,"indexable":257},66,"212434","La muralla paulista no resultó en nada, no logró ni siquiera firmar un contrato.",361.18,365.9,"critica la iniciativa 'muralha paulista' por no firmar contrato de tecnología.",{"idx":527,"utterance_id":528,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":529,"start_s":530,"end_s":531,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":509,"target_proposition":510,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":533,"indexable":74},67,"212435","En cuanto a la asimilación de tecnología, varios estados de Brasil cuentan con tecnología de punta.",366.32,371.72,0.65,"compara el hecho de que otros estados cuentan con tecnología de punta.",{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":467,"indexable":74},68,"212436","Y en esos delitos cotidianos —como el robo de celulares, de motos, de vehículos— está el crimen organizado detrás, porque existe una cadena de receptación y la distribución del producto, o la reventa de lo robado, e incluso la exportación de celulares robados ocurre en São 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esta cuestión de la seguridad.",467.38,470.32,{"idx":622,"utterance_id":623,"speaker_name":69,"text":624,"start_s":625,"end_s":626,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},80,"212448","Creo que todo el mundo aquí va a querer profundizar esta cuestión con usted.",470.34,473.02,{"idx":628,"utterance_id":629,"speaker_name":69,"text":630,"start_s":631,"end_s":632,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},81,"212449","Pero usted dijo algo que me preocupó.",473.4,475.7,{"idx":634,"utterance_id":635,"speaker_name":69,"text":636,"start_s":637,"end_s":638,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},82,"212450","Usted dijo que el hecho de que Estados Unidos diga que las organizaciones son terroristas es un pequeño detalle, cuando no sabemos que no lo es.",475.96,483.2,{"idx":640,"utterance_id":641,"speaker_name":69,"text":642,"start_s":643,"end_s":644,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},83,"212451","Estados Unidos, el Departamento de Estado americano difundió en agosto un mensaje diciendo que el dominio americano en el 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llame terroristas, y si eso permite una acción armada en Brasil.",512.9,517.32,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":69,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},88,"212456","Segundo, quiero saber si usted cree que Brasil tiene condiciones como Estado para resistir",517.82,523.38,{"idx":676,"utterance_id":677,"speaker_name":69,"text":678,"start_s":679,"end_s":680,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},89,"212457","a esa ofensiva estadounidense que se está dando, incluso, contra Brasil?",523.84,527.54,{"idx":682,"utterance_id":683,"speaker_name":69,"text":684,"start_s":685,"end_s":686,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},90,"212458","Y ¿cómo podría eso afectar a São Paulo?",528.16,530.12,{"idx":688,"utterance_id":689,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":690,"start_s":691,"end_s":692,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},91,"212459","Depende del gobierno, 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raras?",551.34,552.34,{"idx":760,"utterance_id":761,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":762,"start_s":763,"end_s":764,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},103,"212471","¿Qué vas a entregar?",553,553.8,{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":335,"indexable":74},104,"212472","Entonces, esa visión de ponerse la gorra de Trump, de decir que vamos a entregar algo, Flávio Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro negociaron las tarifas contra São Paulo específicamente, que es el estado más afectado por las tarifas con mucha diferencia respecto al segundo colocado.",554.7,569.76,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},105,"212473","Afectó a Brasil, pero a São Paulo en 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Paulo, que es el más afectado, no fuera asunto suyo.",581.1,584.8,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},111,"212479","Cuando tienes un presidente que cuenta con respeto internacional, como Lula lo tiene, hay una contención.",585.3,594.22,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},112,"212480","Es evidente que existe una contención.",594.62,596.18,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},113,"212481","Lula es una persona que puede hablar con quien él quiera, a la hora que él quiera, incluyendo a Trump.",596.8,601.38,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},114,"212482","No es una persona que tenga dificultad en llamar a China, a Rusia, a Francia, para hablar con jefes de Estado, con jefes de gobierno.",602,609.5,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},115,"212483","y actuar de manera conjunta y contener el ímpetu.",610.02,613.32,{"idx":838,"utterance_id":839,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":840,"start_s":841,"end_s":842,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},116,"212484","Porque no es solo el ejército, las armas, es la diplomacia.",613.36,617.54,{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":69,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},117,"212485","La diplomacia todavía tiene su papel.",617.78,619.5,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":69,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},118,"212486","Pero el presidente no logró 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la Policía Federal.",861.02,864.48,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":69,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},163,"212531","Ministro...",864.58,866.08,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1147,"target_proposition":1148,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1149,"indexable":257},164,"212532","Casi todos los informes del secretario de Seguridad de Tarcísio eran para debilitar a la Policía Federal, incluso quitándole dinero a la Policía Federal.",866.56,875.72,"2336e44f-51f7-40dc-8790-bdcc8cd8e34f","fortalecer la Policía Federal","Atribuye informes en curso a intentos de debilitar a la Policía Federal.",{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":69,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},165,"212533","Ministro, muchas de las afirmaciones que usted está haciendo dependen de ese vínculo con el gobierno federal.",876.1,883.2,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":69,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},166,"212534","Usted dice, ah, el gobernador debe asumir la responsabilidad para resolver el problema.",883.34,888.08,{"idx":1163,"utterance_id":1164,"speaker_name":69,"text":1165,"start_s":1166,"end_s":1167,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},167,"212535","Pero usted mismo trae como propuesta central en su plan la idea de esa cooperación entre varias instancias.",888.48,895.82,{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":69,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},168,"212536","Y me gustaría insistir un poco en el punto de Mônica respecto a esa cuestión de la calificación por terrorismo.",896.32,903.34,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":69,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":371,"indexable":74},169,"212537","Porque cuando usted trae ideas que dependen de una instancia federal y usted se posiciona respecto de una calificación como terrorista por otro país, o incluso de que eso se haga aquí en Brasil, nada de eso está en la esfera del gobernador de São Paulo.",903.9,918.66,{"idx":1181,"utterance_id":1182,"speaker_name":69,"text":1183,"start_s":1184,"end_s":1185,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},170,"212538","¿Qué de hecho... será hecho por su gestión, en caso de que usted sea elegido, para combatir, por ejemplo, la infiltración del crimen organizado en la propia máquina pública?",920.02,929.1,{"idx":1187,"utterance_id":1188,"speaker_name":69,"text":1189,"start_s":1190,"end_s":1191,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},171,"212539","Porque tenemos comandante de la policía militar sospechoso de involucramiento con el PCC y también tenemos un concejal del PT también bajo sospecha.",929.16,938.66,{"idx":1193,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":69,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},172,"212540","Entonces, está en varios lugares.",938.72,941.94,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":69,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},173,"212541","Hay para todo el mundo.",942.56,943.4,{"idx":1205,"utterance_id":1206,"speaker_name":69,"text":1207,"start_s":1208,"end_s":1209,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},174,"212542","¿Cuál es su gestión?",943.76,944.96,{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},175,"212543","Cláudio, primero, no vamos a comparar, ¿verdad?",945.5,947.4,{"idx":1217,"utterance_id":1218,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1219,"start_s":1220,"end_s":1221,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},176,"212544","Comandante de la policía militar... Brasil está viviendo una falsa simetría.",947.66,952.72,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":1223,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1224,"start_s":1225,"end_s":1226,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"212545","A menudo colocamos en la balanza cosas muy diferentes.",953.36,956.98,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":454,"indexable":74},"212546","Cambiando de tema, pero para hacer referencia a esa falsa simetría, tenemos un candidato a la presidencia que no puede explicar la rachadinha, no puede explicar el lavado de dinero en la tienda de chocolates, no puede explicar el precio de la mansión que compró en Lago Sul, no puede explicar el homenaje que le hizo a un miliciano.",957.56,978.86,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},179,"212547","que fue asesinado en una operación de la Policía Militar de Bahía.",979.2,984.86,{"idx":1239,"utterance_id":1240,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1241,"start_s":1242,"end_s":1243,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},180,"212548","No puede explicar los vínculos con la milicia de Río de Janeiro.",985.32,989.14,{"idx":1245,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},181,"212549","No puede explicar nada.",989.52,990.6,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},182,"212550","No puede explicar las visitas que hizo a Vorcaro, del Banco Master.",991.38,995.66,{"idx":1257,"utterance_id":1258,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1259,"start_s":1260,"end_s":1261,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},183,"212551","Y estamos poniendo a ese tipo como candidato a la presidencia de la República y comparándolo con una persona que no mueve un dedo para favorecer a quien sea.",997.06,1006.9,{"idx":1263,"utterance_id":1264,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1265,"start_s":1266,"end_s":1267,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},184,"212552","y manda investigar a todo el mundo.",1007.26,1008.52,{"idx":1269,"utterance_id":1270,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1271,"start_s":1272,"end_s":1273,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},185,"212553","Entonces estamos corriendo el riesgo en Brasil de hacer esas falsas comparaciones.",1008.8,1013.68,{"idx":1275,"utterance_id":1276,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1277,"start_s":1278,"end_s":1279,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},186,"212554","Démosles nombre a las cosas.",1013.94,1015.64,{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},187,"212555","Si hay un concejal de A, B o C, investiga, castiga, encarcela.",1016.06,1020.08,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},188,"212556","No hay charla.",1020.2,1021.28,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},189,"212557","Se acabó.",1022.14,1022.5,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1299,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1300,"start_s":1301,"end_s":1302,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},"212558","Nunca movimos un dedo para favorecer a quien sea.",1023.1,1025.8,{"idx":1304,"utterance_id":1305,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1306,"start_s":1307,"end_s":1308,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},191,"212559","La otra cosa es apartar al comandante de la Policía Militar y anunciar que fue apartado",1026.28,1034.02,{"idx":1310,"utterance_id":1311,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1312,"start_s":1313,"end_s":1314,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},192,"212560","por relevantes servicios prestados.",1035,1037.96,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},193,"212561","Son dos cosas muy diferentes.",1039.3,1041.14,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":69,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},194,"212562","Pero, ministro, también tenemos empresas de autobuses que fueron objeto de intervención porque hay problemas en contratos que remontan a gestiones pasadas también.",1042.02,1051.76,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":69,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},195,"212563","Lo que estoy diciendo es que hay desde el concejal hasta el comandante de la P.",1051.8,1054.52,{"idx":1334,"utterance_id":1335,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1336,"start_s":1337,"end_s":1338,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},196,"212564","Solo no quiero hacer una falsa simetría.",1054.54,1058.1,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},"212565","Estoy hablando de un candidato a presidente.",1058.9,1060.62,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},198,"212566","No estoy hablando de su hijo, estoy hablando de él.",1060.64,1063.02,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},199,"212567","Entonces, no pongamos al mismo nivel cosas tan diferentes.",1063.04,1066.88,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},200,"212568","Usted está hablando del comandante de la Policía Militar.",1067.14,1069.4,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},201,"212569","No está hablando de... 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Hagamos las ponderaciones adecuadas para no confundir peras con manzanas.",1082.22,1088.68,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":265,"target_proposition":266,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":280,"rationale":1398,"indexable":257},206,"212574","Ahora, sobre lo que usted está hablando, lo que creo... Es lo siguiente: voy a apoyar la PEC de seguridad pública.",1089.16,1094.88,"Declara explícitamente 'eu vou apoiar a PEC da segurança pública'.",{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1405,"indexable":257},207,"212575","Creo que la cooperación federativa es el camino para superar nuestro problema.",1095.5,1101.04,"Dice creer que la cooperación federativa es el camino.",{"idx":1407,"utterance_id":1408,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1409,"start_s":1410,"end_s":1411,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":265,"target_proposition":266,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1412,"indexable":257},208,"212576","Creo en el sistema único de seguridad pública.",1101.46,1103.94,"Afirma creer en el sistema único de seguridad pública.",{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1147,"target_proposition":1148,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":280,"rationale":1419,"indexable":257},209,"212577","Creo en la Policía Federal, creo que debe ser fortalecida.",1104.5,1107.72,"Declara creer en la PF y que debe ser fortalecida.",{"idx":1421,"utterance_id":1422,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1423,"start_s":1424,"end_s":1425,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1426,"target_proposition":1427,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":1428,"indexable":257},210,"212578","El hecho de que yo dé un asiento en un gabinete del gobernador a un superintendente de la Policía Federal en São Paulo, es obvio que ella puede rechazarlo.",1108.26,1116.44,"1cb5d18f-a452-47b1-8805-d6f7acbde7d1","crear un gabinete permanente de integración entre la Policía Federal, la Policía Civil, la Policía Militar y la Policía Penal","Propone dar un asiento al superintendente de la PF en el gabinete del gobernador.",{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},211,"212579","Pero me gustaría saber por qué lo va a rechazar si yo lo invito.",1116.56,1119.16,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},212,"212580","Yo, gobernador de Estado.",1119.94,1120.94,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1426,"target_proposition":1427,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1447,"indexable":257},213,"212581","Voy a llegar al presidente y digo: me gustaría que el superintendente de la Policía Federal en São Paulo tuviera asiento en mi gabinete.",1121.16,1127.22,"Reitera que pedirá al presidente un asiento para el superintendente en el gabinete.",{"idx":1449,"utterance_id":1450,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1451,"start_s":1452,"end_s":1453,"word_count":341,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1454,"target_proposition":1455,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1456,"indexable":257},214,"212582","Porque quiero saber si hay intercambio de información, si la inteligencia de aquí y de allá están cooperando, si el COAF está entregando los datos de movimientos financieros, si la Receita Federal tiene indicios de ilegalidades cometidas en el acto de fiscalización.",1127.24,1143.08,"5929d1fb-c06f-4492-978e-b4e8b8deb5bf","crear una fuerza de tarea integrada entre COAF, Receita Federal, PF y PRF","Quiere saber si COAF, la Receita y la inteligencia están intercambiando información.",{"idx":1458,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},215,"212583","¿Y qué voy a recibir como respuesta?",1144.34,1145.76,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},216,"212584","¿No?",1146.02,1146.22,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1477,"indexable":257},217,"212585","Si quiero presidir un comando para atacar al crimen organizado?",1147.36,1151.4,"c62e8473-a14f-4f79-9eb1-22b5e13fc016","promover la cooperación interinstitucional para combatir el crimen organizado","Expresa la intención de presidir un comando para atacar al crimen organizado.",{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1484,"indexable":257},218,"212586","Bueno, por lo menos vamos a crear un gran bochorno, porque estaré pidiendo una participación efectiva y eficaz en un órgano que pretendo presidir y dudo que vaya a escuchar un no como respuesta.",1151.82,1165,"Dice que pedirá participación efectiva y espera concordancia.",{"idx":1486,"utterance_id":1487,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1488,"start_s":1489,"end_s":1490,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},219,"212587","¿Qué pierde la Policía Federal?",1165.28,1166.78,{"idx":1492,"utterance_id":1493,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1494,"start_s":1495,"end_s":1496,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1497,"indexable":257},220,"212588","diciendo: mire, participe en una reunión con el gobernador.",1167.6,1169.9,"Propone que la Policía Federal participe en una reunión con el gobernador.",{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1504,"indexable":257},221,"212589","Usted, como superintendente de São Paulo, vea cuáles son las necesidades del Estado para combatir el crimen.",1170.48,1176.6,"Orienta al superintendente a mapear las necesidades del Estado para combatir el crimen.",{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1511,"rationale":1512,"indexable":257},222,"212590","En lugar de que estemos disputando protagonismos... Centrémonos en lo que es necesario.",1176.92,1180.92,0.82,"Critica la disputa de protagonismo y pide foco en la cooperación.",{"idx":1514,"utterance_id":1515,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1516,"start_s":1517,"end_s":1518,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":1519,"indexable":74},223,"212591","Y, de nuevo, la operación carbono oculto ocurrió.",1181.18,1184.8,"Relata la existencia de la operación 'carbono oculto' sin proponer acción inmediata.",{"idx":1521,"utterance_id":1522,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1523,"start_s":1524,"end_s":1525,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":1526,"indexable":257},224,"212592","Solo que no puede ser la excepción, como lo es hoy.",1185.28,1188.48,"Afirma que la operación no puede ser una excepción, defendiendo su ampliación.",{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1533,"indexable":74},225,"212593","Tiene que ser la regla.",1189.26,1190.26,"Declara que las operaciones integradas 'tem que ser a regra'.",{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1540,"indexable":74},226,"212594","Tenemos que trabajar juntos.",1190.46,1191.68,"Afirma la necesidad de trabajar juntos entre instituciones.",{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},227,"212595","Además, hay delitos que competen a distintas instancias.",1192.18,1194.08,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},228,"212596","Uno es de la esfera federal, el otro es de la esfera estatal.",1194.24,1197.66,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},"212597","¿Y cómo se hace para combatirlos?",1198,1199.34,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},230,"212598","Hay delito de bete, que es delito estatal.",1200,1202.38,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},231,"212599","O es federal.",1203.8,1204.5,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},232,"212600","Y entonces, ¿cómo se unen esfuerzos para desarticular?",1204.68,1208.14,{"idx":1577,"utterance_id":1578,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1579,"start_s":1580,"end_s":1581,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},233,"212601","las bandas que usan a Beto para lavar dinero, por ejemplo.",1208.52,1211.06,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":69,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},234,"212602","Ahora es candidato.",1211.2,1211.86,{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":461,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":278,"target_proposition":279,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1594,"indexable":257},235,"212603","Entonces, si no existe esa comprensión, y si nos quedamos con eso es mío, eso es tuyo, empujando al otro, por eso nuestra Constitución tiene un capítulo entero sobre educación, otro capítulo sobre seguridades sociales, que incluye salud, asistencia, previsión, otro capítulo sobre deporte, sobre cultura, no tiene un capítulo sobre seguridad pública.",1211.94,1235.42,"Argumenta que la Constitución no tiene un capítulo sobre seguridad y pide un paso institucional.",{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},236,"212604","No es normal.",1235.88,1236.54,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":278,"target_proposition":279,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1607,"rationale":1608,"indexable":74},237,"212605","Así que necesitamos dar un paso institucional.",1237.48,1240.04,0.83,"Reitera que es necesario dar un paso institucional.",{"idx":1610,"utterance_id":1611,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1612,"start_s":1613,"end_s":1614,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1615,"target_proposition":1616,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1617,"indexable":257},238,"212606","Ahora, se necesita el mando del gobernador, porque yo estoy a favor de que el gobernador sea la autoridad responsable por la seguridad, como lo es hoy.",1240.54,1247.92,"6856ad8f-1d06-4005-96db-8c65fa6fbaf5","asumir la responsabilidad directa de la seguridad pública a nivel estatal por parte del gobernador","Dice explícitamente 'sou a favor' de que el gobernador sea la autoridad responsable.",{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1624,"target_proposition":1625,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1626,"indexable":257},239,"212607","Pero que cuente con el refuerzo, tanto de los alcaldes, porque hoy la Guarda Civil puede realizar, según el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), algún tipo de trabajo relacionado con la seguridad pública, como también del gobierno federal, que tiene órganos muy cualificados.",1249.1,1265.12,"ab5895b5-71ee-4c50-b1b1-4014eb3a7915","integrar fuerzas de seguridad entre la Unión, los estados y las instituciones","Defiende reforzar a los alcaldes y al gobierno federal en la seguridad estatal.",{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":1633,"topic_label":1634,"target_id":1635,"target_proposition":1636,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1637,"indexable":74},240,"212608","Conozco muy bien a la Receita.",1265.58,1267.14,"gestao-publica-educacao","Gestión Pública \u002F Educación","edde3aa6-073f-45c6-aadb-902bed20d054","utilizar la Receita Federal para apoyar órganos de seguridad en la investigación y combate al crimen","Propone utilizar la capacidad de la Receita como subsidio para los órganos de seguridad.",{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},241,"212609","Y le digo, la Receita es un activo extraordinario.",1267.48,1271.2,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},242,"212610","No es un órgano de seguridad.",1272.22,1273.66,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},243,"212611","La Receita no lo es. Es un órgano de fiscalización.",1274.74,1276.94,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},"212612","Pero los subsidios que puede dar a los órganos de seguridad para combatir el crimen, estoy convencido en tres años en el Ministerio de Hacienda de que podemos hacer un trabajo espectacular.",1277.4,1287.04,{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":69,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},245,"212613","Esa infiltración del crimen organizado en la policía, si cito algunos casos, hay varios otros.",1287.06,1291.9,{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":69,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":356,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":1675,"indexable":257},246,"212614","Y en el programa de gobierno suyo, en 2020, usted tenía una propuesta que era desvincular las corregidurías de las direcciones de las policías, vinculándolas a la Secretaría de Seguridad Pública, para evitar que la investigación quedara, a veces, dentro del propio batallón de los policías.",1293.3,1305.66,"45db4df0-efd9-491c-afad-87fa653607a2","vincular las corregidurías de las policías a la Secretaría de Seguridad Pública","Repropone la propuesta anterior de desvincular corregedorías y vincularlas a la Secretaría.",{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":69,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1682,"indexable":74},247,"212615","En el programa de este año, es un programa que tiene una centralidad en seguridad pública, pero un poco más reducido que el del año pasado, no tiene esa propuesta.",1306.36,1313.6,"Observa que el programa actual no incluye esa propuesta, describiendo la diferencia.",{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":69,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":1690,"indexable":74},248,"212616","Quisiera saber si usted pretende hacer eso o cambió de idea de alguna manera.",1313.62,1317.38,0.6,"Pregunta si el candidato pretende implementar o si cambió de idea.",{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":576,"rationale":1697,"indexable":257},249,"212617","Mire, yo... Creo que esa idea es una buena idea.",1317.88,1321.22,"Declara explícitamente que considera buena la idea.",{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":278,"target_proposition":279,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1704,"indexable":74},250,"212618","Hubo un debate más reciente sobre la naturaleza de ese gabinete antifacciones y llegamos a ese formato, a ese consenso.",1321.4,1329.52,"Relata un debate reciente y consenso sobre el formato del gabinete antifacciones.",{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1711,"target_proposition":1712,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":1713,"indexable":74},251,"212619","Pero creo que una de las cosas que no funciona en el Estado es la controladuría general del Estado.",1330.02,1335.34,"2a09867e-e401-4e21-b832-7bd14b58d3e4","fortalecer las contralorías con carrera propia y autonomía","Afirma que la controladuría del Estado no funciona, señalando el problema.",{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},252,"212620","Ni siquiera tiene carrera propia.",1336.32,1337.9,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1711,"target_proposition":1712,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":1726,"indexable":257},253,"212621","Cuando monté la controladuría general del municipio aquí en São Paulo, hice una carrera propia para el controlador.",1338.44,1343.36,"Reivindica haber creado una carrera propia en la controladuría municipal (track record).",{"idx":1728,"utterance_id":1729,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1730,"start_s":1731,"end_s":1732,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1711,"target_proposition":1712,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":1733,"indexable":257},254,"212622","En tres meses desarticularon la mafia del ISS.",1343.92,1347.78,"Cita resultados concretos de la controladuría que creó, defendiendo la medida.",{"idx":1735,"utterance_id":1736,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1737,"start_s":1738,"end_s":1739,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},255,"212623","Todo el mundo lo recuerda.",1348.98,1350.1,{"idx":1741,"utterance_id":1742,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1743,"start_s":1744,"end_s":1745,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},256,"212624","En tres meses de trabajo, llamamos al Ministerio Público, expusimos la situación.",1350.42,1354.5,{"idx":1747,"utterance_id":1748,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1749,"start_s":1750,"end_s":1751,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},257,"212625","En octubre de ese mismo año ya salimos con órdenes de registro y allanamiento, con todo, y apartamos a los malos profesionales.",1355.32,1363.26,{"idx":1753,"utterance_id":1754,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1755,"start_s":1756,"end_s":1757,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},258,"212626","Tenemos carreras estatales increíbles, auditores fiscales, tanto en el plano federal como municipal.",1363.6,1369.28,{"idx":1759,"utterance_id":1760,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1761,"start_s":1762,"end_s":1763,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1764,"target_proposition":1765,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1766,"indexable":257},259,"212627","Mire cómo está la Secretaría de Hacienda del Estado.",1370.02,1372.44,"c9062055-9d66-4bde-a76b-01f7ebd83b6e","fortalecer contralorías y corregidurías y garantizar autonomía para investigación interna","Critica órganos con casos de corrupción y la ausencia de una controladuría fuerte.",{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},260,"212628","¿Qué está pasando con la Secretaría de Hacienda del Estado?",1373.44,1376.78,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},261,"212629","Mire los órganos, varias secretarías con casos de corrupción.",1377.9,1381.54,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},262,"212630","Y no tiene una controladuría fuerte.",1381.98,1383.86,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},263,"212631","No tiene una corregiduría fuerte.",1384.48,1387.12,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},264,"212632","No le da autonomía a la persona para trabajar.",1387.14,1389.8,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},265,"212633","Y entonces es una falsa ilusión imaginar que estás protegiendo a la corporación.",1390.7,1396.32,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},266,"212634","No estás protegiendo a la corporación.",1396.36,1398.42,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},267,"212635","Esto es el comienzo de destruir la corporación.",1398.76,1400.94,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},268,"212636","Cuando no tienes mecanismos internos de control.",1401.46,1404.84,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},269,"212637","Está el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal), que es externo.",1406.02,1407.8,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":378,"indexable":74},270,"212638","Pero si no tienes mecanismos internos de control, no vas a poder llevar a cabo la limpieza de la máquina pública, eliminar aquellos elementos que van corroyendo el estándar ético de conducta de una carrera tan importante como, por ejemplo, la policía militar, que es una gran corporación.",1408.22,1427.84,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1839,"target_proposition":1840,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1841,"indexable":257},271,"212639","Ahora, si dejas que esos elementos actúen y no tomas las medidas debidas, dentro de poco, ¿qué va a pasar con São Paulo?",1428.48,1436.74,"ee1b233f-5416-40fe-b9b6-63b07c8b245a","reformular la política de seguridad pública del Estado de São Paulo","Pide 'freio de arrumação' urgente por pérdida de gobernanza en seguridad.",{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},272,"212640","Ya tenemos ejemplos aquí en Brasil.",1437.02,1438.64,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},273,"212641","de pérdida completa de gobernanza sobre la seguridad pública.",1439.18,1442.64,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},274,"212642","¿Vamos a dejar que ocurra en São Paulo?",1442.7,1443.98,{"idx":1861,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},275,"212643","Entonces hay que poner un freno y ordenar esto rápidamente en el estado de São Paulo, porque las cosas no están yendo bien.",1445,1450.56,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":69,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},276,"212644","Vamos a hacer un pequeño descanso, porque Roda Viva vuelve en instantes con Fernando Haddad.",1451.1,1454.86,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":69,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},277,"212645","Enseguida.",1454.94,1455.2,{"idx":1879,"utterance_id":1880,"speaker_name":69,"text":1881,"start_s":1882,"end_s":1883,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},278,"212646","Listo, estamos de vuelta con el candidato del PT al gobierno del estado de São Paulo, Fernando Haddad, candidato.",1495.42,1500.62,{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":69,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":1892,"target_proposition":1893,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":1894,"indexable":74},279,"212647","Tenemos una pregunta del público: Eduardo Fraçato, de São Paulo, capital, dice lo siguiente: el brasileño enfrenta largas filas para consultas, exámenes y cirugías, además de la falta de médicos y medicamentos en muchas regiones.",1500.98,1513.08,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Salud pública y infraestructura hospitalaria","6e88ed3f-62c2-463e-9abe-8da551b561f1","reducir el tiempo de espera para consultas, exámenes y cirugías en el SUS","Pregunta pública describiendo el problema de las filas y la falta de médicos.",{"idx":1896,"utterance_id":1897,"speaker_name":69,"text":1898,"start_s":1899,"end_s":1900,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},280,"212648","¿Cuál es su propuesta concreta para reducir esas filas y mejorar la atención del SUS en el estado de São Paulo?",1513.1,1519.2,{"idx":1902,"utterance_id":1903,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1904,"start_s":1905,"end_s":1906,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":1892,"target_proposition":1893,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1907,"indexable":74},281,"212649","Bueno, en primer lugar, que heredamos una crisis sanitaria pospandemia grave en todo el mundo.",1519.92,1525.56,"Atribuye las filas al represamiento pospandemia, describiendo el contexto.",{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},282,"212650","Se acumularon muchos procedimientos.",1526.78,1529,{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},283,"212651","Tanto consultas, como exámenes y cirugías.",1529.42,1531.94,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},284,"212652","¿Qué medida tomamos en el gobierno federal?",1532.7,1534.78,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":1932,"target_proposition":1933,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1934,"rationale":1935,"indexable":74},285,"212653","Repusimos el piso de la salud.",1535.48,1537.28,"993ecb86-1672-4181-9064-d8a8897b1d3e","aumentar la financiación para el SUS",0.72,"Relata que el piso de la salud fue repuesto, citando aumento de recursos.",{"idx":1937,"utterance_id":1938,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1939,"start_s":1940,"end_s":1941,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},286,"212654","Eso representa 100 mil millones más por año para la salud.",1537.92,1542.16,{"idx":1943,"utterance_id":1944,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1945,"start_s":1946,"end_s":1947,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},287,"212655","Distribuimos ese recurso de acuerdo con las reglas del SUS.",1542.98,1547.98,{"idx":1949,"utterance_id":1950,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1951,"start_s":1952,"end_s":1953,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},288,"212656","No es por partido, no es nada.",1548.88,1550.46,{"idx":1955,"utterance_id":1956,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1957,"start_s":1958,"end_s":1959,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},289,"212657","Es regla del SUS.",1550.5,1551.28,{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},290,"212658","Distribuimos ese recurso por todo el país.",1551.8,1553.5,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1969,"start_s":1965,"end_s":1970,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},291,"212659","100 mil millones más.",1554.42,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"212660","No son 100 mil millones, son 100 mil millones más.",1554.9,1556.54,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},293,"212661","El presidente Lula ordenó... reponer el piso de la salud que Bolsonaro había recortado.",1557.3,1561.22,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},294,"212662","Las filas avanzaron en Brasil; no solo bien, yo diría que mejoraron en todo el país.",1562.84,1567.84,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},295,"212663","La CRI quedó por debajo de la media nacional.",1568.04,1570.12,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},296,"212664","Entonces tenemos un problema de gestión de filas, claro, en el SUS.",1570.7,1573.94,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2006,"target_proposition":2007,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2008,"indexable":257},297,"212665","Primero porque el sistema de regulación, el CROSS, está desactualizado.",1574.34,1578.14,"4c2c8a05-8653-4400-816b-1c936adc3119","implementar un sistema de fila cero en el SUS para atención inmediata","Defiende la adopción del modelo de 'cuidado integral' para evitar fila‑a‑fila.",{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},298,"212666","La fila no tiene una gestión inteligente.",1578.44,1580.24,{"idx":2016,"utterance_id":2017,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2018,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},299,"212667","Entras en la fila de... de la consulta, sales de la fila de la consulta, vas a la del examen, sales de la del examen, vas a la cirugía.",1580.98,1589.3,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},300,"212668","Todo eso puede llevar dos años hasta que concluyas tu tratamiento.",1590.08,1593.5,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},301,"212669","Hoy el Ministerio de Salud organizó, aquí hay especialistas, una nueva modalidad, que São Paulo no adoptó, dicho sea de paso, que es una especie de cuidado integral.",1594,1604.72,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},302,"212670","Contratas el tratamiento para la persona, contratas el paquete para la persona.",1604.76,1608.94,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},"212671","No haces un ir de una fila a otra.",1609.1,1611.04,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},304,"212672","que te va empujando de una fila tras otra.",1611.48,1614.82,{"idx":2051,"utterance_id":2052,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2053,"start_s":2054,"end_s":2055,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2056,"target_proposition":2057,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2058,"indexable":257},305,"212673","En segundo lugar, necesitas nuevas estructuras en el Estado.",1615.66,1620.26,"0d4fa974-2ae7-45a5-b22e-93e2d7fc3b48","expandir servicios ambulatorios, como hospitales de día, para reducir internaciones","Cita el Hospital Día como solución y experiencia personal en São Paulo.",{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},306,"212674","Aquí en São Paulo hice el Hospital Día, por ejemplo, para cirugías ambulatorias, para evitar internar a una persona que puede recuperarse en casa, porque la cirugía ambulatoria resuelve su problema.",1620.88,1633.66,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},307,"212675","Entonces tienes varios procedimientos mediante los cuales vas organizando mejor la fila.",1634,1639.06,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2077,"target_proposition":2078,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2079,"indexable":257},308,"212676","Hoy no tenemos un panel de control sobre las camas disponibles en el Estado.",1640,1645.16,"0b9d0cdc-5d4e-453e-bf51-cb4fcdba0617","digitalizar, integrar sistemas de salud y implementar tecnología del sector privado en el SUS","Defiende un panel de camas y la integración del SAMU, criticando el sistema actual.",{"idx":2081,"utterance_id":2082,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2083,"start_s":2084,"end_s":2085,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},309,"212677","No tienes un panel de control.",1645.56,1646.82,{"idx":2087,"utterance_id":2088,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2089,"start_s":2090,"end_s":2091,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},310,"212678","Imagínate tener que hoy coger el teléfono; estamos en la era del teléfono fijo aquí en São Paulo para algunos procedimientos.",1647.2,1654.56,{"idx":2093,"utterance_id":2094,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2095,"start_s":2096,"end_s":2097,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},311,"212679","Coger el teléfono para saber dónde hay vacante.",1655.2,1657.84,{"idx":2099,"utterance_id":2100,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2101,"start_s":2102,"end_s":2103,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},312,"212680","El SAMU no está integrado para saber adónde llevar.",1658.32,1661.7,{"idx":2105,"utterance_id":2106,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2107,"start_s":2108,"end_s":2109,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},313,"212681","Pierdes tiempo.",1661.86,1663.12,{"idx":2111,"utterance_id":2112,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2113,"start_s":2114,"end_s":2115,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},314,"212682","A veces un paciente tiene un problema más grave que otro, respetas el orden cronológico y pierdes al paciente, porque necesitaba atención de urgencia.",1664.04,1676.3,{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2122,"target_proposition":2123,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2124,"indexable":257},315,"212683","En Piauí montaron un sistema de inteligencia que hizo caer la mortalidad por infartos en un 26%, con una gestión inteligente de las filas.",1676.88,1689.3,"efc92aa9-306f-4801-8b67-15260003a54f","usar inteligencia artificial para priorizar atenciones en el SUS","Cita la reducción de fallecimientos en Piauí con un sistema de inteligencia como ejemplo.",{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},316,"212684","La Farmacia Popular es un éxito, para continuar con la respuesta.",1690.02,1693.4,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},317,"212685","Pasamos de un medicamento por el que pagabas el 10% a que ahora no pagas nada.",1694,1698.46,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2143,"target_proposition":2144,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":280,"rationale":2145,"indexable":257},318,"212686","Y voy a hacer aquí en São Paulo, inclusive, la Farmacia Popular Móvil.",1699.08,1703.24,"00d2c435-c9f5-4390-9841-c5ac56e1851b","implantar Farmacia Popular Móvil y entrega domiciliaria de medicamentos","Anuncia la intención explícita de implantar Farmácia Popular Móvel y entrega.",{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},319,"212687","Hay mucha gente que no tiene posibilidad de ir a recoger; a veces hay fila para retirar.",1703.66,1708.48,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},320,"212688","Vamos a hacer un sistema de expedición, de entrega a domicilio.",1708.86,1713.3,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},321,"212689","Vamos a hacer la Farmacia Popular Móvil, que va a entregar a un conjunto de personas que tienen una serie de retrasos en la recepción, incluso en medicamentos de alto costo.",1713.66,1724.68,{"idx":2165,"utterance_id":2166,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2167,"start_s":2168,"end_s":2169,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},322,"212690","Entonces hay que poner un orden, más o menos general.",1724.98,1727.12,{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2176,"target_proposition":2177,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2178,"indexable":257},323,"212691","Hoy tienes, en el ámbito de la salud digital, varios procedimientos que también aceleran.",1728.06,1734.98,"eceb4dd7-4e76-41fb-a813-26521c6d0ef2","expandir programas de telemedicina y teleatención en salud","Afirma que la salud digital acelera procedimientos y debe ser utilizada.",{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":69,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},324,"212692","¿Cuánto tiempo tarda eso?",1735.3,1736.4,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2191,"target_proposition":2192,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2193,"indexable":257},325,"212693","Mira, creo que no es... Fíjate, hay que invertir en el SUS, vas a tener que... Aún faltan camas.",1737.56,1744.78,"68a90cb4-9fb5-40bb-b7c8-d70531565201","expandir la red pública de salud con aumento de camas hospitalarias","Reconoce la necesidad de camas y cita el financiamiento federal de UPAs\u002FUBSs.",{"idx":2195,"utterance_id":2196,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2197,"start_s":2198,"end_s":2199,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},326,"212694","Se reabrieron las camas cerradas en la pandemia, pero todavía hay necesidad.",1745.24,1749.58,{"idx":2201,"utterance_id":2202,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2203,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},327,"212695","Si están los casos de hospitales día, el gobierno federal está financiando muchas UBS y muchas UPA en el estado de São Paulo.",1749.96,1757.26,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},328,"212696","Visité ahora la región de Sorocaba; solo allí estamos terminando tres UPAs, tres UBS, financiadas por el gobierno federal.",1757.68,1765.46,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},329,"212697","Pero pienso que el choque de gestión de la fila ocurre en el primer año.",1766.68,1771.4,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":69,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},330,"212698","Nuevas unidades.",1771.74,1772.68,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":69,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},331,"212699","Es una opción: son más de 100 hospitales públicos del estado de São Paulo.",1772.72,1776.34,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":69,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},332,"212700","La mitad está en manos de organizaciones sociales, la otra mitad es la administración directa.",1776.72,1782.84,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":69,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},333,"212701","¿Señor, pretende aumentar ese número?",1783.3,1785.64,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2247,"target_proposition":2248,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2249,"indexable":257},"212702","El programa de gobierno prevé algunas nuevas unidades.",1787.72,1790.54,"2085f243-f6c3-44c2-b048-9211ccc50747","expandir y fortalecer la red pública de salud","Afirma que el programa de gobierno prevé nuevas unidades.",{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},335,"212703","Estoy aquí con el diputado Emílio de Souza, que hizo el plan de gobierno e identificó las áreas donde habrá que expandir.",1790.58,1796.58,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},336,"212704","cama.",1796.66,1796.92,{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2268,"target_proposition":2269,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2270,"indexable":257},337,"212705","Pero otra cosa que también quiero hacer es, por ejemplo, con las Santas Casas, que son muy importantes en el estado de São Paulo; les propuse en Brasília, dije: mira, pongamos en marcha una central de compras.",1797.34,1808.48,"a22b7771-db8c-4621-a5e7-71c216ce8194","crear una central de compras para las Santas Casas","Propone centralizar compras para reducir precios, citando experiencia federal.",{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},338,"212706","Ustedes compran de forma muy fragmentada.",1808.54,1810.82,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},339,"212707","Si ustedes tuvieran poder de compra, podrían negociar precios.",1811.18,1815.88,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},340,"212708","como hice con los hospitales universitarios de las universidades federales.",1816.32,1819.92,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},341,"212709","El precio cayó entre el 40% y el 60%.",1820.46,1823.4,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":69,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},342,"212710","¿Se puede hacer eso a nivel estatal?",1823.82,1825.72,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},343,"212711","Hay que hacerlo, porque pagan caro por lo que compran, porque es una Santa Casa la que compra.",1825.92,1830.32,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},344,"212712","Si tienes todas ellas, o la mitad de ellas, en un pool de compra, bajas el precio de los insumos.",1830.82,1837.36,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2319,"target_proposition":2320,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2321,"indexable":257},345,"212713","Otra cosa es la renegociación de la deuda de las Santas Casas.",1837.86,1840.62,"efe1588b-35b4-4784-8998-ca1a6e89d67d","fortalecer financieramente las Santas Casas mediante compras centralizadas y líneas de crédito","Propone la renegociación de deudas y la creación de un banco de desarrollo para las Santas Casas.",{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},346,"212714","Estoy previendo aquí crear un banco de desarrollo.",1841.38,1844.02,{"idx":2329,"utterance_id":2330,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2331,"start_s":2332,"end_s":2333,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},347,"212715","en los moldes del BNDES, pero para atender a otro tipo de clientela que el BNDES no atiende.",1844.5,1852.04,{"idx":2335,"utterance_id":2336,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2337,"start_s":2338,"end_s":2339,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2340,"topic_label":2341,"target_id":2342,"target_proposition":2343,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2344,"indexable":257},348,"212716","Un eje de actuación es la cuestión de la reindustrialización del Estado.",1853.06,1857.72,"politica-economica-desenvolvimento-regional","Política Económica \u002F Desarrollo Regional","e8401386-5e04-4334-8821-bd08b2132769","preparar São Paulo para la reindustrialización mediante la reforma tributaria y el fin de la guerra fiscal","Relaciona la reforma tributaria y el fin de la guerra fiscal con la reindustrialización del estado.",{"idx":2346,"utterance_id":2347,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2348,"start_s":2349,"end_s":2350,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},349,"212717","Con la reforma tributaria y el fin de la guerra fiscal, São Paulo puede prepararse para reindustrializarse.",1858.22,1865.44,{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},350,"212718","Sin la reforma tributaria, olvídalo, pero está aprobada y entra en vigor el 1.º de enero del año que viene.",1865.78,1870.9,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2363,"topic_label":2364,"target_id":2365,"target_proposition":2366,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":2367,"indexable":74},351,"212719","Entonces estamos en condiciones.",1871.34,1872.26,"politica-tarifaria","Política tarifaria","aad4c1ea-9506-4252-882d-3d68f1bc286e","reformar el sistema tributario","Alega que la reforma está aprobada y entrará en vigor, relato de hecho.",{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":2374,"topic_label":2375,"target_id":2376,"target_proposition":2377,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2378,"indexable":257},352,"212720","Otra cosa es financiar este tipo de cambio de deuda, por ejemplo.",1872.64,1875.72,"politica-energetica-financas-publicas","Política energética \u002F Finanzas públicas","bd5b2a8f-f92c-433f-a1ad-abb6672a3522","facilitar el intercambio de deuda cara por deuda barata para instituciones de salud","Propone financiar la reestructuración de deudas de las Santas Casas con un papel articulador del Estado.",{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},353,"212721","Una Santa Casa puede cambiar una deuda cara por una deuda barata, pero el Estado necesita tener un papel articulador en eso.",1876.06,1882.5,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":69,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},354,"212722","Pedro tiene una pregunta, ¿no?",1883.3,1884.56,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":69,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},355,"212723","Gracias, señor.",1884.58,1885.32,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":69,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},356,"212724","Tomando un poco el hilo de lo que Mônica trajo en el primer bloque, el PT nunca gobernó São Paulo, pero gobierna otros estados del país.",1885.88,1894.68,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":69,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},357,"212725","Desde 2007 gobierna el estado de Bahía, que se ha destacado por la policía, quizá la policía más violenta de Brasil.",1895.24,1901.7,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":69,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":400,"indexable":74},358,"212726","¿Por qué el elector de São Paulo debe esperar una policía menos violenta en caso de que usted sea gobernador, y preguntar si cree que las cámaras corporales van a resolver por completo el problema de la letalidad policial que tenemos aquí en São Paulo?",1902.42,1915.66,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2421,"target_proposition":2422,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2423,"indexable":74},359,"212727","No todo, pero van a ayudar bastante.",1916.56,1918.56,"542ebdde-abba-4b39-9703-1f3f21b0a926","fortalecer la corregiduría y la fiscalización interna de la policía","Afirma que cámaras y controladuría\u002Fcorregiduría eficaces ayudarán a reducir la letalidad.",{"idx":2425,"utterance_id":2426,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2427,"start_s":2428,"end_s":2429,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},360,"212728","Creo que la cámara va a ayudar bastante.",1919.3,1921.7,{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},361,"212729","Creo que una contraloría, una corregiduría eficaz va a resolver bastante.",1922.26,1928.2,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2442,"target_proposition":2443,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2444,"indexable":257},362,"212730","Creo que tenemos que perfeccionar los mecanismos internos.",1928.7,1931.08,"b3301390-9eea-4161-b428-66d54ac30f9e","fortalecer mecanismos internos de control y diálogo con las corporaciones","Defiende mejorar mecanismos internos y transmitir confianza a la corporación.",{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2448,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},363,"212731","Creo que hay que transmitir confianza a la corporación de que quieres mejorar el servicio.",1931.46,1937.68,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},364,"212732","Me indigna esa falta de iniciativa para conversar con la tropa.",1938.58,1942.76,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},365,"212733","Incluso, tú debes saber que hubo una desorganización de la cadena de mando en São Paulo muy grave.",1944.08,1949.94,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},366,"212734","El gobierno actual, por una serie de criterios un tanto clientelistas, terminó jubilando a gente muy seria de la policía militar.",1951.02,1960.54,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},367,"212735","en plena actividad y con el conocimiento para llevar a cabo un cambio de cultura.",1961.12,1967.42,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},368,"212736","Y fueron jubilados a causa de ese nombramiento de compadreo que hizo el secretario de Tarcísio en la Policía Militar, lo que causó un gran bochorno para todo el mundo.",1968.38,1978.56,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2484,"start_s":2485,"end_s":2486,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},369,"212737","Creo que hay coroneles que me llegaron a decir que va a tomar tiempo para que tú rescates esa visión corporativa.",1979.16,1988.52,{"idx":2488,"utterance_id":2489,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2490,"start_s":2491,"end_s":2492,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},370,"212738","con una cadena de mando bien estructurada.",1988.96,1991,{"idx":2494,"utterance_id":2495,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2496,"start_s":2497,"end_s":2498,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},371,"212739","Pero creo que con el diálogo, creo que podemos avanzar mucho respecto a eso.",1991.44,1996.22,{"idx":2500,"utterance_id":2501,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2502,"start_s":2503,"end_s":2504,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},372,"212740","Y mostrar a todo el mundo lo siguiente: tenemos una corporación que puede funcionar muy bien.",1996.72,2001.94,{"idx":2506,"utterance_id":2507,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2508,"start_s":2509,"end_s":2510,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2511,"target_proposition":2512,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2513,"indexable":257},373,"212741","Y si eso cuesta la separación de uno u otro profesional que no está siguiendo las reglas mínimas de civilidad, eso es para el bien de la corporación.",2003.14,2012.82,"b8b5f496-4e53-4bf7-9004-e23ae0474948","retirar a miembros comprometidos de las corporaciones policiales","Afirma que el alejamiento de los malos profesionales es para el bien de la corporación.",{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},374,"212742","No hará daño a la corporación, hará bien a la corporación.",2013.42,2016.06,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2526,"target_proposition":2527,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2528,"indexable":257},375,"212743","Entonces creo que hay un trabajo por hacer para valorizar al profesional de la seguridad pública.",2016.6,2021.16,"507c5708-132a-4944-aa66-7bc3bb52a072","valorizar y calificar a las fuerzas policiales (Federal, Militar y Civil)","Defiende la valorización del profesional de seguridad y el diálogo con la tropa.",{"idx":2530,"utterance_id":2531,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2532,"start_s":2533,"end_s":2534,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},376,"212744","Te digo la verdad.",2021.68,2023.14,{"idx":2536,"utterance_id":2537,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2538,"start_s":2539,"end_s":2540,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},377,"212745","Tú dijiste: eres un tipo de izquierda.",2023.16,2024.72,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},378,"212746","Yo soy un tipo que quizá piensa en un círculo, en un estereotipo que a veces se hace de lo que es una persona de derecha y de lo que es una persona de izquierda.",2024.82,2034.26,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2550,"start_s":2551,"end_s":2552,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},379,"212747","Hay gente que es de derecha y no está a favor de la truculencia.",2034.74,2038.6,{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},380,"212748","El tipo tiene una visión un poco diferente.",2038.86,2040.84,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2562,"start_s":2563,"end_s":2564,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},381,"212749","Así como yo, tengo una visión del policía.",2041.98,2044.9,{"idx":2566,"utterance_id":2567,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2568,"start_s":2569,"end_s":2570,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},382,"212750","que es la misma que tengo de otros profesionales del servicio público.",2045.48,2049.56,{"idx":2572,"utterance_id":2573,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2574,"start_s":2575,"end_s":2576,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},383,"212751","No hago distinción.",2049.98,2051.22,{"idx":2578,"utterance_id":2579,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2580,"start_s":2581,"end_s":2582,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},384,"212752","Pienso que un buen cuerpo técnico en el área de la salud, en el área de la educación y en el área de la seguridad son esenciales para que los servicios públicos funcionen.",2051.76,2061.94,{"idx":2584,"utterance_id":2585,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2586,"start_s":2587,"end_s":2588,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},385,"212753","Y esos tres servicios tienen que funcionar para el bien de la comunidad.",2062.46,2068.06,{"idx":2590,"utterance_id":2591,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2592,"start_s":2593,"end_s":2594,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},386,"212754","Entonces, no logro entender a quien promueve una jerarquía.",2068.34,2073.78,{"idx":2596,"utterance_id":2597,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2598,"start_s":2599,"end_s":2600,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},387,"212755","Como si hubiera un perjuicio de una categoría a favor de otra.",2074.28,2084.44,{"idx":2602,"utterance_id":2603,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2604,"start_s":2605,"end_s":2606,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},388,"212756","Yo no lo veo así.",2084.5,2085.28,{"idx":2608,"utterance_id":2609,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2610,"start_s":2611,"end_s":2612,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},389,"212757","No consigo verlo de esa manera.",2085.8,2087.44,{"idx":2614,"utterance_id":2615,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2616,"start_s":2617,"end_s":2618,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2619,"target_proposition":2620,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2621,"indexable":257},390,"212758","Quiero sentarme con la policía militar, con la policía civil, como me siento con cualquier otra categoría profesional.",2088.66,2094.9,"2f456148-79b5-49e1-9926-4428f60e3b52","crear una mesa permanente de diálogo entre el gobierno y los servidores de la seguridad pública y del sistema penitenciario","Propone sentarse con las policías para 'quebrar o gelo' y dialogar.",{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},391,"212759","¿Usted tiene interlocutores en la corporación?",2095.1,2097.6,{"idx":2629,"utterance_id":2630,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2631,"start_s":2632,"end_s":2633,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},392,"212760","Tenemos.",2098.28,2098.74,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":2636,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2637,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2639,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},393,"212761","Mira, eso cambia, Ernesto, con... Primero así.",2099.6,2103.12,{"idx":2641,"utterance_id":2642,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2643,"start_s":2644,"end_s":2645,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},394,"212762","Tú, al apartar el espantajo.",2103.82,2105.64,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},395,"212763","Tú ganas una elección, lo primero que haces es sentarte con la gente y romper el hielo.",2106.24,2110.34,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},396,"212764","Hay muchos estereotipos, mucho prejuicio, muchas cosas que necesitan superarse en el diálogo.",2111.2,2117.44,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":2664,"target_proposition":2665,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":2666,"indexable":257},397,"212765","Ahora, pasé por el MEC, hice acuerdos con todas las categorías como ministro.",2117.86,2122.78,"c02edbc9-58d3-44dc-a03d-3813f2584d51","priorizar la negociación y el diálogo en la administración pública","Cita experiencia personal negociando con categorías como ministro.",{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2670,"start_s":2671,"end_s":2672,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},398,"212766","No siempre sin fricciones.",2123.46,2125.8,{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},399,"212767","Muchas veces no hay nada que hacer.",2126.5,2129.06,{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":2685,"topic_label":2686,"target_id":2687,"target_proposition":2688,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2689,"indexable":257},400,"212768","Y estamos en una situación, quiero adelantar aquí, la situación fiscal del Estado de São Paulo es muy delicada, es la peor en 30 años.",2129.62,2138.28,"financas-municipais","Finanzas Municipales","c1d01a25-41b1-4b6a-94ff-141873ac2828","garantizar gestión fiscal responsable y transparencia en las cuentas públicas estatales","Relata que la situación fiscal es delicada, citando datos oficiales.",{"idx":2691,"utterance_id":2692,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2693,"start_s":2694,"end_s":2695,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},401,"212769","Y quiero hacer un comentario sobre una declaración de Tarcísio hoy.",2138.78,2142.26,{"idx":2697,"utterance_id":2698,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2699,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},402,"212770","Simplemente reproduje datos oficiales de la Secretaría de Finanzas de la Fazenda, que fueron materia del periódico Folha de São Paulo.",2143.6,2152.46,{"idx":2703,"utterance_id":2704,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2705,"start_s":2706,"end_s":2707,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},403,"212771","Lo reproduje en una declaración.",2152.7,2154.04,{"idx":2709,"utterance_id":2710,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2711,"start_s":2712,"end_s":2713,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},404,"212772","Dije, mira, lo que era superávit presupuestario se volvió déficit, datos oficiales.",2154.6,2160.54,{"idx":2715,"utterance_id":2716,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2717,"start_s":2718,"end_s":2719,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},405,"212773","Lo que era superávit primario... cayó dos tercios.",2161.02,2164.22,{"idx":2721,"utterance_id":2722,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2723,"start_s":2724,"end_s":2725,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},406,"212774","La caja de 22 mil millones pasó a, la caja libre pasó a 5 mil millones.",2165.22,2169.86,{"idx":2727,"utterance_id":2728,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2729,"start_s":2730,"end_s":2731,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},407,"212775","Y la inversión de este gobierno fue menor que la del gobierno anterior.",2171.5,2174.62,{"idx":2733,"utterance_id":2734,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2735,"start_s":2736,"end_s":2737,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},408,"212776","Extraño un artículo de periódico con datos de la Secretaría de la Fazenda.",2175.74,2179.12,{"idx":2739,"utterance_id":2740,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2741,"start_s":2742,"end_s":2743,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},409,"212777","¿Cuál es la reacción?",2179.52,2180.28,{"idx":2745,"utterance_id":2746,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2747,"start_s":2748,"end_s":2749,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},410,"212778","En lugar de decir: no, vamos a mejorar, vamos a corregir.",2180.72,2183.12,{"idx":2751,"utterance_id":2752,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2753,"start_s":2754,"end_s":2755,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},411,"212779","No, eso es desinformación, eso es deshonestidad intelectual.",2183.84,2187.14,{"idx":2757,"utterance_id":2758,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2759,"start_s":2760,"end_s":2761,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},412,"212780","¿Cómo es deshonestidad intelectual con datos oficiales?",2187.4,2189.74,{"idx":2763,"utterance_id":2764,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2765,"start_s":2766,"end_s":2767,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},413,"212781","El Estado de São Paulo, las finanzas hoy... están en la peor situación desde los años 90.",2190.68,2195.84,{"idx":2769,"utterance_id":2770,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2771,"start_s":2772,"end_s":2773,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},414,"212782","Desde los años 90.",2196.88,2198.52,{"idx":2775,"utterance_id":2776,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2777,"start_s":2778,"end_s":2779,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":2685,"topic_label":2686,"target_id":2780,"target_proposition":2781,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2782,"indexable":257},415,"212783","Tendremos que hacer un escrutinio minucioso de los contratos firmados por esta gestión.",2199.02,2203.7,"40d45120-259c-4602-8337-d37a4743a774","auditar y revisar contratos y acuerdos con la iniciativa privada para abrir espacio presupuestario","Afirma que es necesario 'passar um pente fino' en los contratos para liberar espacio.",{"idx":2784,"utterance_id":2785,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2786,"start_s":2787,"end_s":2788,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},416,"212784","Tendremos que abrir espacio presupuestario.",2204.06,2205.98,{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},417,"212785","Tendremos que revisar acuerdos que fueron hechos con la iniciativa privada.",2206.44,2210.62,{"idx":2796,"utterance_id":2797,"speaker_name":69,"text":2798,"start_s":2799,"end_s":2800,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},418,"212786","¿Aumentar impuestos es una opción?",2210.78,2212.12,{"idx":2802,"utterance_id":2803,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2804,"start_s":2805,"end_s":2806,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},419,"212787","Él ya aumentó.",2213.7,2214.48,{"idx":2808,"utterance_id":2809,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2810,"start_s":2811,"end_s":2812,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},420,"212788","Él ya aumentó impuestos.",2214.52,2216.32,{"idx":2814,"utterance_id":2815,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2816,"start_s":2817,"end_s":2818,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2685,"topic_label":2686,"target_id":2780,"target_proposition":2781,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2819,"indexable":257},421,"212789","Creo que el camino aquí es la revisión de contratos.",2216.98,2219.46,"Dice que el camino es la revisión de contratos, no el aumento de impuestos.",{"idx":2821,"utterance_id":2822,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2823,"start_s":2824,"end_s":2825,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},422,"212790","Tenemos que revisar muchos contratos.",2219.62,2222.48,{"idx":2827,"utterance_id":2828,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2829,"start_s":2830,"end_s":2831,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},423,"212791","para abrir espacio presupuestario para inversión y para la recuperación del servicio público.",2223.06,2226.9,{"idx":2833,"utterance_id":2834,"speaker_name":69,"text":2835,"start_s":2836,"end_s":2837,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},424,"212792","Ministro, señor, quisiera escuchar su evaluación sobre la cuestión de las betes.",2228.18,2233.02,{"idx":2839,"utterance_id":2840,"speaker_name":69,"text":2841,"start_s":2842,"end_s":2843,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},425,"212793","Brasil vive hoy una grave crisis de trastornos mentales de variados tipos y también una crisis de endeudamiento inaudita, causada, motivada por la adicción a las apuestas.",2233.24,2247.6,{"idx":2845,"utterance_id":2846,"speaker_name":69,"text":2847,"start_s":2848,"end_s":2849,"word_count":232,"indexable":74},426,"212794","El sector dice que en 2025 ya hubo un crecimiento y que para 2026 la proyección es un aumento aún mayor de la cantidad de dinero apostado por los brasileños, impulsado por la publicidad durante la Copa, las apuestas deportivas.",2248.74,2263.98,{"idx":2851,"utterance_id":2852,"speaker_name":69,"text":2853,"start_s":2854,"end_s":2855,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},427,"212795","El presidente Lula ya dijo que es favorable a prohibir las betes.",2264.56,2268.02,{"idx":2857,"utterance_id":2858,"speaker_name":69,"text":2859,"start_s":2860,"end_s":2861,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},428,"212796","Fue el propio gobierno del presidente Lula, con usted en Hacienda, el que reglamentó, regularizó la situación después de una ley aprobada en el gobierno de Temer, aunque pasó todo el gobierno de Bolsonaro...",2268.36,2277.92,{"idx":2863,"utterance_id":2864,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2865,"start_s":2866,"end_s":2867,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},429,"212797","Más o menos eso.",2277.94,2279.38,{"idx":2869,"utterance_id":2870,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2871,"start_s":2872,"end_s":2873,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},430,"212798","Vamos aclarar.",2279.76,2280.44,{"idx":2875,"utterance_id":2876,"speaker_name":69,"text":2877,"start_s":2878,"end_s":2879,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},431,"212799","Pero mi pregunta objetiva es: ¿usted es favorable a la prohibición de las betes después de esta experiencia hasta aquí?",2280.46,2285.96,{"idx":2881,"utterance_id":2882,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2883,"start_s":2884,"end_s":2885,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},432,"212800","Sí.",2286.08,2286.2,{"idx":2887,"utterance_id":2888,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2889,"start_s":2890,"end_s":2891,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2894,"target_proposition":2895,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2896,"indexable":257},433,"212801","Sí, pero quería dar el historial de lo que sucedió.",2287.16,2290.1,"regulacao-de-jogos-de-azar-e-credito","Regulación de Juegos de Azar y Crédito","da2c9690-6afa-4928-9573-d4590db3a0f0","prohibir las apuestas deportivas comerciales","Responde directamente 'Sou' a la pregunta sobre ser favorable a la prohibición.",{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2903,"target_proposition":2904,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2905,"indexable":257},434,"212802","En los últimos días del gobierno de Temer, en noviembre o diciembre del último año de su gobierno, fue legalizada.",2290.8,2297.4,"71c11e92-89b1-4bbd-b920-4406ad679da8","relatar el proceso legislativo que legalizó las apuestas deportivas","explica la historia de la legalización ocurrida al final del gobierno de Temer.",{"idx":2907,"utterance_id":2908,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2909,"start_s":2910,"end_s":2911,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},435,"212803","Las betes fueron legalizadas.",2297.8,2299.2,{"idx":2913,"utterance_id":2914,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2915,"start_s":2916,"end_s":2917,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},436,"212804","Esa ley que legalizó las betes dio dos años para el gobierno siguiente, que ya era el de Bolsonaro, que estaba electo.",2299.9,2307.2,{"idx":2919,"utterance_id":2920,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2921,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},437,"212805","Bolsonaro ya estaba electo en esa ocasión.",2308.28,2310.2,{"idx":2925,"utterance_id":2926,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2927,"start_s":2928,"end_s":2929,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":2932,"indexable":74},438,"212806","Podía haber intervenido en eso como presidente electo.",2310.84,2313.94,"171f5a74-817c-4636-94d4-7645096e0015","regular y tributar apuestas online","dice que podría haber incidido como presidente electo (defiende actuación).",{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},439,"212807","No hizo nada.",2313.98,2314.6,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2945,"target_proposition":2946,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2947,"indexable":257},440,"212808","La ley de Temer daba dos años, prorrogables por dos más, para la reglamentación del sector.",2315.88,2321.28,"96f86566-c892-4f67-9f94-4d9bf3e58c19","regular y fiscalizar juegos y apuestas","descripción técnica de la vigencia de la ley de Temer, sin defensa explícita.",{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2954,"indexable":257},441,"212809","Para que pagara impuestos, para que fuera transparente, para que la publicidad... no fuera perjudicial para la salud de los brasileños, para las finanzas de los brasileños, el gobierno de Bolsonaro pasó cuatro años sin hacer absolutamente nada.",2321.68,2335.52,"critica la inacción y enumera impuestos\u002Ftransparencia como ausentes.",{"idx":2956,"utterance_id":2957,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":786,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},442,"212810",2336.42,2336.72,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},443,"212811","Pero nada en absoluto.",2337.7,2338.74,{"idx":2967,"utterance_id":2968,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2969,"start_s":2970,"end_s":2971,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2972,"indexable":257},444,"212812","No hubo ninguna fiscalización, no hubo ninguna reglamentación, no hubo un decreto, no hizo nada.",2339.4,2345.42,"repite la crítica a la falta de fiscalización y regulación (defiende acción).",{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},445,"212813","¿Qué pasó en el gobierno de Bolsonaro?",2346.12,2347.72,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},446,"212814","Generó un ecosistema.",2347.8,2349.02,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":2991,"topic_label":2992,"target_id":2993,"target_proposition":2994,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":2995,"indexable":74},447,"212815","Ese ecosistema hoy sostiene a los medios de comunicación, lamento decirte esto, a los medios de comunicación, a los clubes de fútbol y se metieron en la política también.",2349.6,2361.5,"conflito-de-interesses-e-transparencia","Conflicto de intereses y transparencia","e108aac7-0306-4f59-994c-84f6fa26ca5b","aumentar la transparencia sobre vínculos entre empresas de apuestas y medios\u002Fclubes","relata la influencia del ecosistema en medios y clubes sin proponer medida concreta.",{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2999,"start_s":3000,"end_s":3001,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2991,"topic_label":2992,"target_id":3002,"target_proposition":3003,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3004,"indexable":257},448,"212816","Hay varios parlamentarios involucrados con la Bete después de la legalización.",2362.3,2368.6,"4aa8f91a-e845-4b39-9cf0-56db05fa9c05","investigar y sancionar conflictos de interés que involucren a parlamentarios y apuestas","afirma el involucramiento de parlamentarios tras la legalización, sin propuesta explícita.",{"idx":3006,"utterance_id":3007,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3008,"start_s":3009,"end_s":3010,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},449,"212817","Lo que hicimos fue lo siguiente: ante la resistencia, primero que no se sabía la magnitud de esto.",2369.72,2375.6,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},450,"212818","Cuando asumimos, no teníamos idea de lo que era esto, porque nadie había hecho nada.",2376.42,2381.4,{"idx":3018,"utterance_id":3019,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3020,"start_s":3021,"end_s":3022,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3023,"target_proposition":3024,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3025,"indexable":257},451,"212819","Resolvimos así: quedaron exentas de impuestos.",2382.4,2386.2,"954beb72-d297-418d-9f15-852273a9bf45","eximir a las apuestas de impuestos","reclama la acción tomada ('elas ficaram isentas de impostos').",{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1511,"rationale":3032,"indexable":257},452,"212820","Tú pagas impuestos, yo pago impuestos, las betes no pagaban impuestos.",2386.72,2389.54,"contrasta a quienes pagan impuestos con 'as bets não pagavam', criticando la exención.",{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":3039,"indexable":257},453,"212821","Decimos: bueno, si es una actividad legal, vamos a reglamentar cómo contribuye como cualquier empresa.",2390.02,2397.46,"propone reglamentar la actividad legal para que contribuya (frase explícita).",{"idx":3041,"utterance_id":3042,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3043,"start_s":3044,"end_s":3045,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},454,"212822","Y ahí vino el susto.",2398.6,2399.8,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3049,"start_s":3050,"end_s":3051,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":3052,"indexable":257},455,"212823","La magnitud a la que esto llegó en esos cuatro años del bolsonarismo, que no hizo absolutamente nada.",2400.32,2406.46,"afirma que el crecimiento ocurrió por cuatro años de inacción, defendiendo acción.",{"idx":3054,"utterance_id":3055,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3056,"start_s":3057,"end_s":3058,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2945,"target_proposition":2946,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3059,"indexable":257},456,"212824","Y el susto fue el volumen de recursos involucrados en las betes.",2407.24,2411.4,"relata el 'susto' por el gran volumen de recursos involucrados.",{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3066,"target_proposition":3067,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3068,"indexable":257},457,"212825","No genera empleo, porque es todo digital; el número de empleos generados es mínimo, salvo de forma indirecta.",2412.3,2418.84,"795e53d6-bc61-4724-8d2a-d44acf7cec6d","evaluar el impacto económico y el empleo generado por las apuestas en línea","afirma que el sector genera poco empleo; es una evaluación factual.",{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":2991,"topic_label":2992,"target_id":3075,"target_proposition":3076,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1934,"rationale":3077,"indexable":74},458,"212826","Estoy hablando de equipos de fútbol, medios de comunicación, que efectivamente están recibiendo recursos de publicidad.",2419.34,2424.98,"9953059c-a991-4c87-90e7-4ee6284637b2","aumentar la transparencia sobre transferencias publicitarias a medios y clubes","dice que el dinero de la publicidad va a clubes y medios; describe sin proponer aquí.",{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},459,"212827","Esa publicidad no la hacen ellas mismas, usan los canales competentes.",2425.06,2429.5,{"idx":3085,"utterance_id":3086,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3087,"start_s":3088,"end_s":3089,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2945,"target_proposition":2946,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3090,"indexable":257},460,"212828","Aprobamos leyes duras respecto a las bets irregulares.",2430.3,2434.62,"afirma 'nós aprovamos leis duras' respecto a las bets irregulares (reclama acción).",{"idx":3092,"utterance_id":3093,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3094,"start_s":3095,"end_s":3096,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3099,"indexable":257},461,"212829","Ahora ha llegado el momento del brasileño, del pueblo brasileño, ante esto, de poder juzgar lo que es mejor para el país.",2435.1,2444.8,"1d2b06eb-0bb2-48c3-85b7-6d003c480a23","someter la cuestión de las apuestas online a consulta 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en el Ministerio de Salud.",{"idx":3115,"utterance_id":3116,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3117,"start_s":3118,"end_s":3119,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":3122,"indexable":257},464,"212832","incluyendo la capacitación del personal de salud para el abordaje correcto respecto a la persona que puede estar desarrollando dependencia química.",2464,2471.26,"c2cde4b1-6c0a-4bfa-9756-7904494ed35b","implementar programas de salud para el tratamiento de la ludopatía","defiende la formación de personal de salud para el abordaje de la dependencia.",{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3129,"indexable":257},465,"212833","También hay un cuestionario dentro del SUS Digital, donde usted realiza un autotest para saber si necesita apoyo.",2471.78,2482.14,"menciona el cuestionario en SUS Digital y los autotests como medidas adoptadas.",{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3136,"indexable":257},466,"212834","Si, eventualmente, usted sabe que lo necesita, puede autoexcluirse o buscar apoyo profesional.",2483.56,2488.76,"fomenta la autoexclusión y la búsqueda de apoyo profesional (medidas de salud).",{"idx":3138,"utterance_id":3139,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3140,"start_s":3141,"end_s":3142,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":3143,"indexable":257},467,"212835","El Ministerio de Salud está tomando esa medida.",2489.14,2491.38,"afirma que el Ministerio de Salud está tomando medidas concretas.",{"idx":3145,"utterance_id":3146,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3147,"start_s":3148,"end_s":3149,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":3150,"stance_confidence":3151,"rationale":3152,"indexable":74},468,"212836","Pero yo, sinceramente, soy un poco escéptico.",2491.98,2493.98,"ambiguo",0.5,"declara escepticismo sin explicar si discrepa de la consulta o de la solución.",{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3159,"indexable":257},469,"212837","Después de cuatro años sin ninguna regulación, creo que hemos creado un problema que debería ser sometido a la opinión pública.",2495.74,2505.42,"defiende someter el problema a la opinión pública de forma explícita.",{"idx":3161,"utterance_id":3162,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3163,"start_s":3164,"end_s":3165,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":3166,"indexable":257},470,"212838","Deberíamos dialogar con la opinión pública sobre la conveniencia o no de mantener ese ecosistema.",2505.68,2512.54,"propone diálogo con la sociedad y el Congreso Nacional sobre la conveniencia del ecosistema.",{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":69,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},471,"212839","Ahora, hay muchos intereses... Es que la opinión pública, en las encuestas por ejemplo, es mayoritariamente contraria, pero al mismo tiempo mayoritariamente involucrada, ¿no?",2513.06,2521.06,{"idx":3174,"utterance_id":3175,"speaker_name":69,"text":3176,"start_s":3177,"end_s":3178,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},472,"212840","Ya apuesta y ve daños para su familia...",2521.08,2524.56,{"idx":3180,"utterance_id":3181,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3182,"start_s":3183,"end_s":3184,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},473,"212841","No vi encuestas recientes sobre la prohibición del juego virtual.",2524.58,2527.38,{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},474,"212842","No vi encuestas recientes.",2527.9,2528.96,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3197,"target_proposition":3198,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3199,"indexable":257},475,"212843","Pero pienso que un gobierno... Primero que todo, tiene que discutirse en la elección qué hacer con ese ecosistema.",2529.32,2537.16,"4d346759-0750-494f-9c9b-2e918d5e3569","discutir en las elecciones la política sobre apuestas online","dice que la cuestión debe discutirse en las elecciones (reclama debate electoral).",{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},476,"212844","Tiene que discutirse durante la elección.",2538.82,2540.32,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":454,"topic_slug":3212,"topic_label":3213,"target_id":3214,"target_proposition":3215,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3216,"indexable":257},477,"212845","Pero después de la elección... Soy favorable a ese tipo de consulta, a entablar eventualmente un diálogo con la sociedad, involucrar al Congreso, hacer seminarios de especialistas, que las personas del sector salud digan qué está pasando, que los bancos abran los datos sobre lo que está ocurriendo con las finanzas de las personas, que se están viendo comprometidas por esto.",2540.56,2562.48,"regulacao-e-transparencia-financeira","Regulación y transparencia financiera","34dc90b3-8b2c-4110-bc34-55a8ee199b11","abrir cuentas y documentos financieros para auditoría judicial y del MP","pide que los bancos abran datos sobre el compromiso financiero por apuestas.",{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},478,"212846","Podríamos estar hablando de 40, 50, hay estimaciones incluso de más de 50 mil millones de reais que quedan en las casas de apuestas por año.",2562.92,2570.98,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},479,"212847","Eso no es poca cosa.",2571.78,2572.86,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},480,"212848","Es un porcentaje del PIB brasileño.",2573.6,2576.5,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},481,"212849","Puede llegar al 0,5% del PIB brasileño.",2577.94,2581.06,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},482,"212850","Es mucho, mucho dinero.",2581.6,2583.4,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":239,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3253,"indexable":257},483,"212851","Entonces, hoy, conociéndolo, porque me metí de lleno en un problema para conocerlo, cosa que Bolsonaro no hizo, lo miramos y hoy sabemos que el tamaño es grande.",2583.72,2597.68,"afirma haber investigado el problema y constatado su gran dimensión (defiende acción).",{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3260,"target_proposition":3261,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":3262,"indexable":74},484,"212852","Yo, personalmente, no creo que valga la pena.",2598.26,2600.46,"971974e4-ebcc-4824-a3ba-9b645ef8b3d8","mantener el ecosistema de apuestas online","dice 'não acho que vale a pena' mantener el sector (evaluación negativa explícita).",{"idx":3264,"utterance_id":3265,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3266,"start_s":3267,"end_s":3268,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3260,"target_proposition":3261,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3269,"indexable":257},485,"212853","Creo que es un sector que realmente no contribuye en nada a la economía brasileña, al entretenimiento, al bienestar de las personas.",2601.26,2609.52,"afirma explícitamente que el sector 'não contribui em nada'.",{"idx":3271,"utterance_id":3272,"speaker_name":69,"text":3273,"start_s":3274,"end_s":3275,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3276,"target_proposition":3277,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":3278,"indexable":74},486,"212854","¿Cómo se hace ahora para acabar con él?",2609.64,2611.44,"db67d44b-d6f9-4634-8907-879167f4898e","prohibir apuestas en línea","Pregunta 'como faz para acabar com ele?', sugiriendo apoyo a la prohibición.",{"idx":3280,"utterance_id":3281,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3282,"start_s":3283,"end_s":3284,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},487,"212855","Es lo que te dije, ¿no?",2611.88,2612.64,{"idx":3286,"utterance_id":3287,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3288,"start_s":3289,"end_s":3290,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2945,"target_proposition":2946,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3291,"indexable":257},488,"212856","Después de cuatro años de completo desdén del gobierno de Bolsonaro, abrimos la caja para saber qué había dentro.",2613.12,2622.72,"Dice que 'abrimos a caixa' y que eso generó un problema, defendiendo investigación\u002Fregulación.",{"idx":3293,"utterance_id":3294,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3295,"start_s":3296,"end_s":3297,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},489,"212857","Y entonces creció aún más.",2623.42,2624.28,{"idx":3299,"utterance_id":3300,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3301,"start_s":3302,"end_s":3303,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},490,"212858","Y ahora estamos con un problema grave.",2624.3,2626.1,{"idx":3305,"utterance_id":3306,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3307,"start_s":3308,"end_s":3309,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":3310,"topic_label":3311,"target_id":3312,"target_proposition":3313,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3314,"indexable":257},491,"212859","Ahora, no es nada que el pueblo brasileño no pueda decidir.",2626.42,2629.46,"consulta-publica","Consulta pública","29a728b0-c984-42d0-add0-22cfbf0f5c71","someter políticas polémicas a consulta popular","Afirma que el pueblo puede decidir sobre el tema (apoya una consulta popular).",{"idx":3316,"utterance_id":3317,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3318,"start_s":3319,"end_s":3320,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},492,"212860","Es decir, el Congreso Nacional tiene que representar la voluntad de la población.",2630.12,2633.52,{"idx":3322,"utterance_id":3323,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3324,"start_s":3325,"end_s":3326,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},493,"212861","Por más que los intereses se entrelacen, se trata de un interés que se entrelaza en las esferas superiores de la sociedad.",2634.02,2642.68,{"idx":3328,"utterance_id":3329,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3330,"start_s":3331,"end_s":3332,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},494,"212862","La persona allí en la línea de producción está siendo perjudicada por un ecosistema al que no veo que esté aportando nada al país.",2643.14,2653.02,{"idx":3334,"utterance_id":3335,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3336,"start_s":3337,"end_s":3338,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3260,"target_proposition":3261,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3339,"indexable":74},495,"212863","No veo ninguna ventaja.",2653.14,2654.1,"Declara no ver ventaja en el sector (evaluación contraria a mantenerlo).",{"idx":3341,"utterance_id":3342,"speaker_name":69,"text":3343,"start_s":3344,"end_s":3345,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},496,"212864","Pedro Carvalho, necesito hacerle una pregunta, señor.",2654.12,2656.22,{"idx":3347,"utterance_id":3348,"speaker_name":69,"text":3349,"start_s":3350,"end_s":3351,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},497,"212865","Buenas noches, ministro.",2657.7,2658.46,{"idx":3353,"utterance_id":3354,"speaker_name":69,"text":3355,"start_s":3356,"end_s":3357,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},498,"212866","En el ámbito de la economía, porque no son solo las familias: los apostadores en casas de apuestas también tienen un problema de alto endeudamiento.",2660.04,2666.06,{"idx":3359,"utterance_id":3360,"speaker_name":69,"text":3361,"start_s":3362,"end_s":3363,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},499,"212867","La propia deuda del gobierno ha estado en el centro de los debates; ahora llegó al 82% del PIB.",2666.68,2672.68,{"idx":3365,"utterance_id":3366,"speaker_name":69,"text":3367,"start_s":3368,"end_s":3369,"word_count":259,"indexable":74},500,"212868","Su sucesor en el Ministerio de Hacienda, Dario Durigan, ha hecho algunas declaraciones insinuando que existe cierta necesidad de reducción del gasto público en un eventual próximo mandato.",2673.92,2684.94,{"idx":3371,"utterance_id":3372,"speaker_name":69,"text":3373,"start_s":3374,"end_s":3375,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},501,"212869","Pero el presidente Lula, en la entrevista en el Jornal Nacional, dijo la frase: \"a mí no me preocupa la deuda pública\".",2686.56,2692.9,{"idx":3377,"utterance_id":3378,"speaker_name":69,"text":3379,"start_s":3380,"end_s":3381,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},502,"212870","¿Esa es su opinión también?",2693.88,2695.28,{"idx":3383,"utterance_id":3384,"speaker_name":69,"text":3385,"start_s":3386,"end_s":3387,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},503,"212871","¿Le preocupa la deuda pública?",2695.34,2697.3,{"idx":3389,"utterance_id":3390,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3391,"start_s":3392,"end_s":3393,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":3396,"indexable":74},504,"212872","Mire, en comparación con muchos países, estamos en un nivel que no es... Ahora, el problema es la dinámica de la deuda.",2698.48,2706.34,"e378ce13-ac6f-4354-8ec2-791b9d362604","controlar la deuda pública y reducir las tasas de interés","Dice que el problema es la dinámica de la deuda, sin presentar una medida inmediata.",{"idx":3398,"utterance_id":3399,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3400,"start_s":3401,"end_s":3402,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1934,"rationale":3403,"indexable":74},505,"212873","En mi opinión, la dinámica de la deuda preocupa.",2706.8,2709.88,"Explica la preocupación por la dinámica de la deuda (evaluación técnica).",{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},506,"212874","¿Por qué?",2710.7,2710.98,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},507,"212875","Porque las tasas de interés están en torno al 14% con una inflación que ya está por debajo del 4,5%.",2711.26,2717.92,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3422,"indexable":257},508,"212876","Cuando usted tiene una tasa de interés real de casi el 10%, o digamos del 8% por encima de la inflación, no hay superávit primario que dé cuenta de la dinámica de la deuda.",2718.94,2734.1,"Justifica la preocupación por la deuda usando la tasa de interés real como evidencia.",{"idx":3424,"utterance_id":3425,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3426,"start_s":3427,"end_s":3428,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},509,"212877","No hay forma de que las cuentas cuadren.",2734.8,2736.16,{"idx":3430,"utterance_id":3431,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3432,"start_s":3433,"end_s":3434,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":489,"rationale":3435,"indexable":74},510,"212878","Entonces usted necesita tomar medidas efectivas.",2736.92,2739.42,"Afirma directamente 'você precisa efetivamente tomar providências'.",{"idx":3437,"utterance_id":3438,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3439,"start_s":3440,"end_s":3441,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3444,"target_proposition":3445,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":3446,"indexable":257},511,"212879","La primera medida se tomó hoy, si quiere saber, que fue el presupuesto entregado por el gobierno de Lula para el próximo gobierno.",2739.62,2746.66,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Política Fiscal y Social","6a6b0310-4a0d-4794-b63a-2e1edca6655d","enviar presupuesto al Congreso Nacional para el próximo gobierno","Señala el envío del presupuesto como la primera medida tomada.",{"idx":3448,"utterance_id":3449,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3450,"start_s":3451,"end_s":3452,"word_count":497,"indexable":74},512,"212880","Compare el presupuesto, y es muy bueno que compare el último año de mandato del presidente Lula, que hoy envió el presupuesto para el próximo gobierno, que puede ser el suyo, y el presupuesto que Bolsonaro envió al Congreso Nacional, el 31 de agosto, sin saber si iba a ser presidente o no, para el próximo gobierno, que podía ser el suyo.",2747.28,2769.02,{"idx":3454,"utterance_id":3455,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3456,"start_s":3457,"end_s":3458,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},513,"212881","El presupuesto que Bolsonaro envió para 2023 tenía un déficit de 60 mil millones de reais.",2769.9,2776.6,{"idx":3460,"utterance_id":3461,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3462,"start_s":3463,"end_s":3464,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},514,"212882","Explícito, sin contar el impago de precatórios y el Bolsa Família que él reajustó y no incluyó en el presupuesto.",2778.04,2785.02,{"idx":3466,"utterance_id":3467,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3468,"start_s":3469,"end_s":3470,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},515,"212883","Son datos que pueden verificarse, los datos que estoy aportando, aparte del impago de los gobernadores.",2785.88,2791.44,{"idx":3472,"utterance_id":3473,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3474,"start_s":3475,"end_s":3476,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},516,"212884","Estoy hablando de tres gastos ineludibles.",2791.46,2796.86,{"idx":3478,"utterance_id":3479,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3480,"start_s":3481,"end_s":3482,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3483,"target_proposition":3484,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3485,"indexable":257},517,"212885","Los precatórios, el déficit previsto de 60 y, además, el Bolsa Família de 50.",2797.4,2802.04,"66e5bc54-a05e-410d-af47-4e99a6a003a0","garantizar responsabilidad fiscal y pago de precatórios","Enumera gastos ineludibles; es una descripción presupuestaria.",{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},518,"212886","¿Qué envió el presidente Lula para el año que viene?",2803.02,2805.06,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},519,"212887","¿Un presupuesto?",2807.42,2808.16,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},520,"212888","Con superávit.",2808.9,2809.74,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},521,"212889","¿Se da cuenta?",2811.68,2812.08,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},522,"212890","Eso en sí ya tendrá un impacto importante en el mercado.",2812.68,2816.84,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},523,"212891","Entonces, el mercado, creo yo, tiene—existe una disputa de narrativas, ¿entiende?, incluso sobre si este gobierno entregó un mejor resultado o no.",2817.66,2832.6,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},524,"212892","Obviamente la oposición dirá que no.",2833,2835.38,{"idx":3529,"utterance_id":3530,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3531,"start_s":3532,"end_s":3533,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},525,"212893","Compárelos, son dos presupuestos claros: para 2027 es uno, para 2023 es otro.",2836.56,2842.22,{"idx":3535,"utterance_id":3536,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3537,"start_s":3538,"end_s":3539,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},526,"212894","Consulte a cualquier especialista.",2842.72,2844.7,{"idx":3541,"utterance_id":3542,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3543,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},527,"212895","Recordando que Bolsonaro había comprometido gastos hasta 2026 que no tenían fuente de financiación, como era el caso del Fundeb, por ejemplo.",2844.72,2856.42,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":232,"indexable":74},528,"212896","Entonces, lo que quiero decirle es lo siguiente: no hay manera de comparar el presupuesto que mi sucesor en Hacienda, sea quien sea, recibirá con respecto al que yo recibí del gobierno de Bolsonaro.",2856.82,2868.32,{"idx":3553,"utterance_id":3554,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3555,"start_s":3556,"end_s":3557,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},529,"212897","No hay punto de comparación.",2868.38,2869.74,{"idx":3559,"utterance_id":3560,"speaker_name":69,"text":3561,"start_s":3562,"end_s":3563,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},530,"212898","Ahora, en esa cuestión de las tasas de interés, que usted dijo que son las culpables de...",2869.8,2873.06,{"idx":3565,"utterance_id":3566,"speaker_name":69,"text":3567,"start_s":3568,"end_s":3569,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},531,"212899","Creo que la tasa de interés está en un nivel inadecuado.",2873.16,2875.92,{"idx":3571,"utterance_id":3572,"speaker_name":69,"text":3573,"start_s":3574,"end_s":3575,"word_count":364,"indexable":74},532,"212900","Lula, en la misma entrevista al Jornal Nacional, dijo que esa tasa del 14% está muy alta y que tuvo que convivir con el presidente del Banco Central de Bolsonaro, refiriéndose a Roberto Campos Neto, quien fue presidente del Banco Central nombrado por Bolsonaro.",2875.94,2892.48,{"idx":3577,"utterance_id":3578,"speaker_name":69,"text":3579,"start_s":3580,"end_s":3581,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},533,"212901","Estuvo en 2023 y 2024, durante el gobierno de Lula, al frente del Banco Central.",2893.38,2897.62,{"idx":3583,"utterance_id":3584,"speaker_name":69,"text":3585,"start_s":3586,"end_s":3587,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},534,"212902","Usted mismo, en un compromiso reciente con empresarios de la industria, dijo que la tasa está descalibrada y que no ve ninguna razón para que se mantenga en ese nivel.",2899.2,2907.88,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":3589,"speaker_name":69,"text":2883,"start_s":3590,"end_s":3591,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"212903",2908.48,2908.62,{"idx":3593,"utterance_id":3594,"speaker_name":69,"text":3595,"start_s":3596,"end_s":3597,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},536,"212904","Sucede que el actual presidente del Banco Central, Dario Durigan, fue designado por el presidente Lula y ya lleva un año y ocho meses al frente del Banco Central.",2909.06,2918.18,{"idx":3599,"utterance_id":3600,"speaker_name":69,"text":3601,"start_s":3602,"end_s":3603,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},537,"212905","Entonces ¿también existe algún problema con la gestión...? Perdón.",2918.88,2921.72,{"idx":3605,"utterance_id":3606,"speaker_name":69,"text":3607,"start_s":3608,"end_s":3609,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},538,"212906","Galípolo, el actual presidente Gabriel Galípolo, fue designado por Lula y ya lleva un año y ocho meses al frente del BC.",2922.08,2926.98,{"idx":3611,"utterance_id":3612,"speaker_name":69,"text":3613,"start_s":3614,"end_s":3615,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},539,"212907","¿Hay entonces algún problema con la gestión de Galípolo?",2927.82,2930.44,{"idx":3617,"utterance_id":3618,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3619,"start_s":3620,"end_s":3621,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3622,"target_proposition":3623,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3624,"indexable":257},540,"212908","Bueno, mire, el Banco Central tiene una autonomía prevista por ley.",2930.86,2936.5,"e9c8b131-e13b-4794-9104-c3a855834f89","garantizar independencia y autonomía técnica del Banco Central","Afirma la existencia de autonomía prevista por la ley, sin atacar.",{"idx":3626,"utterance_id":3627,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3628,"start_s":3629,"end_s":3630,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},541,"212909","No era así en el pasado.",2937,2938.16,{"idx":3632,"utterance_id":3633,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3634,"start_s":3635,"end_s":3636,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},542,"212910","En el pasado usted podía cambiar al presidente del Banco Central cuando le pareciera.",2938.78,2943.02,{"idx":3638,"utterance_id":3639,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3640,"start_s":3641,"end_s":3642,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},543,"212911","Fernando Henrique tuvo tres presidentes del Banco Central, o cuatro, creo que cuatro presidentes del Banco Central.",2943.6,2948.28,{"idx":3644,"utterance_id":3645,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3646,"start_s":3647,"end_s":3648,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},544,"212912","El presidente Lula tuvo solo uno.",2948.62,2949.56,{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},545,"212913","Henrique Meredes estuvo ocho años.",2950.42,2951.86,{"idx":3656,"utterance_id":3657,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3658,"start_s":3659,"end_s":3660,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},546,"212914","Entonces, yo no estoy entrando en ese mérito.",2952.64,2954.58,{"idx":3662,"utterance_id":3663,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3664,"start_s":3665,"end_s":3666,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},547,"212915","Estoy entrando en el siguiente punto.",2955.1,2956.46,{"idx":3668,"utterance_id":3669,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3670,"start_s":3671,"end_s":3672,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},548,"212916","Estoy haciendo una evaluación de lo que creo que debe ser la política monetaria.",2957.14,2961.3,{"idx":3674,"utterance_id":3675,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3676,"start_s":3677,"end_s":3678,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},549,"212917","No soy el presidente del Banco Central, ni soy director del Banco Central.",2961.36,2963.62,{"idx":3680,"utterance_id":3681,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3682,"start_s":3683,"end_s":3684,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},550,"212918","Pero como observador externo, cualquiera de nosotros tiene derecho a opinar sobre lo que piensa.",2964.28,2971.02,{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},551,"212919","Si el mercado financiero puede opinar, ¿por qué yo no puedo opinar, como exministro de Hacienda?",2971.42,2975.7,{"idx":3692,"utterance_id":3693,"speaker_name":69,"text":3694,"start_s":3695,"end_s":3696,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},552,"212920","Señores, necesito hacer una pausa.",2975.96,2977.5,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":69,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},"212921","Ahora volvemos al tema, no hay problema, porque regresamos enseguida con Fernando Haddad.",2977.54,2982.66,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":69,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},554,"212922","Volvemos enseguida.",2982.74,2983.14,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":69,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},555,"212923","Roda Viva de vuelta con el candidato del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), del gobierno de São Paulo, Fernando Haddad; Mônica Bergamo.",3022.22,3028.2,{"idx":3715,"utterance_id":3716,"speaker_name":69,"text":3717,"start_s":3718,"end_s":3719,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},556,"212924","Lo interrumpí al final del bloque anterior, siéntase a gusto, complete su pregunta.",3028.3,3032.3,{"idx":3721,"utterance_id":3722,"speaker_name":69,"text":3723,"start_s":3724,"end_s":3725,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},557,"212925","Quisiera retomar aquí y continuar en el mismo tema.",3032.9,3034.9,{"idx":3727,"utterance_id":3728,"speaker_name":69,"text":3729,"start_s":3730,"end_s":3731,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},558,"212926","Usted me dio una entrevista para la Folha de São Paulo en octubre de 2024 y usted tenía un discurso un poquito diferente.",3034.92,3040.8,{"idx":3733,"utterance_id":3734,"speaker_name":69,"text":3735,"start_s":3736,"end_s":3737,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},559,"212927","Usted decía lo siguiente: que la cuestión, usted no hablaba de la cuestión de las tasas de interés, usted hablaba de la cuestión de la deuda pública.",3041.04,3047.96,{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":69,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},560,"212928","Usted decía lo siguiente: que la cuestión del gasto, la dinámica del gasto, era urgente, estaba en la agenda del día.",3047.98,3057.02,{"idx":3745,"utterance_id":3746,"speaker_name":69,"text":3747,"start_s":3748,"end_s":3749,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},561,"212929","Que usted decía eso a Lula sin parar, que era necesario abordar esa cuestión, porque la gente necesitaba ver que la suma de las partes cabe en el todo.",3058.4,3066.96,{"idx":3751,"utterance_id":3752,"speaker_name":69,"text":3753,"start_s":3754,"end_s":3755,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},562,"212930","Y usted dijo que la suma del salario mínimo, de la salud, los gastos en salud, educación, BPC, es mayor que el todo.",3067.52,3073.92,{"idx":3757,"utterance_id":3758,"speaker_name":69,"text":3759,"start_s":3760,"end_s":3761,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},563,"212931","Y que eso necesitaba ser abordado con urgencia.",3074.24,3077.38,{"idx":3763,"utterance_id":3764,"speaker_name":69,"text":3765,"start_s":3766,"end_s":3767,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},564,"212932","Pero eso no fue abordado.",3077.82,3079.24,{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":69,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},565,"212933","¿Entonces la culpa es del Banco Central?",3079.78,3081.3,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":69,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},566,"212934","¿O hay una responsabilidad del gobierno que no abordó esas cuestiones que usted dijo que eran urgentes?",3081.92,3086.7,{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3786,"target_proposition":3787,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3788,"indexable":74},567,"212935","Primero, eso fue abordado.",3086.98,3088.24,"d4932696-4c51-40ed-94c6-132aadf5c61d","realizar ajuste fiscal nacional","Responde que la cuestión fue atendida y menciona el ajuste fiscal.",{"idx":3790,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3786,"target_proposition":3787,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3795,"indexable":257},568,"212936","Enviamos un ajuste fiscal precisamente en 2024.",3088.32,3091.54,"Declara objetivamente 'nós mandamos um ajuste fiscal em 2024'.",{"idx":3797,"utterance_id":3798,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3799,"start_s":3800,"end_s":3801,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},569,"212937","Es duro hablar de cosas muy complejas muy rápidamente.",3093.96,3097.66,{"idx":3803,"utterance_id":3804,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3805,"start_s":3806,"end_s":3807,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},570,"212938","Pero, ¿qué pasó?",3097.76,3098.72,{"idx":3809,"utterance_id":3810,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3811,"start_s":3812,"end_s":3813,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},571,"212939","No, todavía hay tiempo, puede hablar.",3098.76,3099.7,{"idx":3815,"utterance_id":3816,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3817,"start_s":3818,"end_s":3819,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},572,"212940","Entonces, ¿qué pasó?",3099.94,3101.16,{"idx":3821,"utterance_id":3822,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3823,"start_s":3824,"end_s":3825,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},573,"212941","No, voy a responder todo lo que usted pregunte.",3101.28,3103.36,{"idx":3827,"utterance_id":3828,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3829,"start_s":3830,"end_s":3831,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},574,"212942","¿Qué pasó?",3104,3105,{"idx":3833,"utterance_id":3834,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3835,"start_s":3836,"end_s":3837,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3838,"target_proposition":3839,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3840,"indexable":257},575,"212943","Hicimos un... Enviamos una PEC al Congreso Nacional, enviamos una ley complementaria, una medida provisional y un proyecto de ley.",3105.54,3114.5,"739fd922-1e86-4b20-930c-289d7d371f40","enviar paquete legislativo de ajuste fiscal al Congreso Nacional (PEC, ley, MP)","Enumera PEC, ley complementaria, MP y proyecto enviados para ajuste fiscal.",{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},576,"212944","A finales de 2024.",3115.3,3115.94,{"idx":3848,"utterance_id":3849,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3850,"start_s":3851,"end_s":3852,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},577,"212945","¿Ok?",3117.04,3117.16,{"idx":3854,"utterance_id":3855,"speaker_name":69,"text":3856,"start_s":3857,"end_s":3858,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},578,"212946","¿Usted tocando el salario mínimo, la salud, la educación, el BPC?",3117.22,3119.9,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},579,"212947","Tocando varias reglas.",3119.98,3121.58,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},580,"212948","Varias reglas.",3121.92,3122.78,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},581,"212949","Hubo cosas que el Congreso no aprobó, pero nosotros las enviamos.",3123.2,3125.86,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},582,"212950","Ahora, ¿qué pasó en ese mes de noviembre, si no me equivoco?",3127.16,3131.98,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":2363,"topic_label":2364,"target_id":3889,"target_proposition":3890,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3891,"indexable":257},583,"212951","El gobierno decidió enviar... junto con el paquete, con ese paquete, la ley del impuesto sobre la renta, de los 5 mil reales.",3133.42,3143.1,"e17a2e17-4511-485e-8d63-757a01ad77d0","aprobar reformas tributarias que beneficien a los trabajadores (por ejemplo, exención hasta R$5.000)","Relata el envío de la propuesta de IR con exención hasta R$5.000; describe el evento.",{"idx":3893,"utterance_id":3894,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3895,"start_s":3896,"end_s":3897,"word_count":356,"indexable":74},584,"212952","Y hubo un problema grave en ese momento, porque surgió un rumor en el mercado financiero de que la exención del impuesto sobre la renta costaría 100 mil millones de reales y no habría contrapartida fiscal, es decir, iba a haber un agujero fiscal de 100 mil millones de reales.",3143.72,3164.46,{"idx":3899,"utterance_id":3900,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3901,"start_s":3902,"end_s":3903,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},585,"212953","Eso fue una mecha de pólvora.",3165.5,3168.24,{"idx":3905,"utterance_id":3906,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3907,"start_s":3908,"end_s":3909,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},586,"212954","El dólar llegó a tocar 6,20 por eso.",3168.94,3172.56,{"idx":3911,"utterance_id":3912,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3913,"start_s":3914,"end_s":3915,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},587,"212955","Tardó semanas en que explicáramos que el proyecto del impuesto sobre la renta era neutro.",3174.68,3179.62,{"idx":3917,"utterance_id":3918,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3919,"start_s":3920,"end_s":3921,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},588,"212956","Era 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Yo cuestioné la gestión del gobierno.",3277.16,3284.82,{"idx":4029,"utterance_id":4030,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4031,"start_s":4032,"end_s":4033,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},607,"212975","Hago esa provocación.",3285,3286.32,{"idx":4035,"utterance_id":4036,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4037,"start_s":4038,"end_s":4039,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},608,"212976","Compare el presupuesto del último año del gobierno Lula, que hoy fue al Congreso, con el presupuesto del último año del gobierno Bolsonaro, que era falso.",3286.8,3296.24,{"idx":4041,"utterance_id":4042,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4043,"start_s":4044,"end_s":4045,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},609,"212977","Porque no tenía Bolsa Família ni Precatório.",3296.56,3298.66,{"idx":4047,"utterance_id":4048,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4049,"start_s":4050,"end_s":4051,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},610,"212978","Y aun así tenía un déficit de 60 mil millones.",3299.1,3301.66,{"idx":4053,"utterance_id":4054,"speaker_name":69,"text":4055,"start_s":4056,"end_s":4057,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},611,"212979","Tenemos una bancada de universitarios.",3301.68,3303.58,{"idx":4059,"utterance_id":4060,"speaker_name":69,"text":4061,"start_s":4062,"end_s":4063,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},612,"212980","Laura Margut, de la ESPM, tiene una pregunta para usted.",3303.62,3306.34,{"idx":4065,"utterance_id":4066,"speaker_name":69,"text":4067,"start_s":4068,"end_s":4069,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},613,"212981","Por favor, Laura.",3306.36,3306.88,{"idx":4071,"utterance_id":4072,"speaker_name":69,"text":4073,"start_s":4074,"end_s":4075,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},614,"212982","Candidato, aún este mes usted llamó la atención sobre la caída de São Paulo en el ranking de la enseñanza media.",3306.9,3313.56,{"idx":4077,"utterance_id":4078,"speaker_name":69,"text":4079,"start_s":4080,"end_s":4081,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},615,"212983","Eso sucedió porque en 2021, antes, estábamos en la tercera posición en esa lista y en 2025 pasamos a la décima posición.",3315,3324.22,{"idx":4083,"utterance_id":4084,"speaker_name":69,"text":4085,"start_s":4086,"end_s":4087,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},616,"212984","Eso fue del Índice de Desarrollo de la Educación Básica, el IDEB, y aunque fue un porcentaje bajo, de 4,4 a 4,3, igualándose a la media nacional, eso hizo que cayeramos siete posiciones en el ranking.",3325.5,3336.76,{"idx":4089,"utterance_id":4090,"speaker_name":69,"text":4091,"start_s":4092,"end_s":4093,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},617,"212985","Quisiera entender exactamente qué cree usted que provocó ese cambio y quisiera que hablara un poco sobre cuál meta se compromete a alcanzar hasta el final del mandato para cambiar esa situación.",3337.78,3348.16,{"idx":4095,"utterance_id":4096,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4097,"start_s":4098,"end_s":4099,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},618,"212986","Mire, pienso que una de las... hablamos de salud, hablamos de seguridad y aún no hablamos de educación, le agradezco la pregunta.",3349.14,3355.12,{"idx":4101,"utterance_id":4102,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4103,"start_s":4104,"end_s":4105,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},619,"212987","Es un absurdo lo que pasó en São Paulo.",3355.92,3357.5,{"idx":4107,"utterance_id":4108,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4109,"start_s":4110,"end_s":4111,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},620,"212988","São Paulo era el primer lugar en el gobierno de Alckmin en 2015.",3357.8,3360.46,{"idx":4113,"utterance_id":4114,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4115,"start_s":4116,"end_s":4117,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},621,"212989","Cayó al tercer lugar, lo cual no es... Puede suceder, ¿no?, que alguien te adelante, en el gobierno de Doria, pero de tercero a décimo sucedió en el gobierno de Tarcísio.",3361.82,3373.46,{"idx":4119,"utterance_id":4120,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4121,"start_s":4122,"end_s":4123,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},622,"212990","Y el gobernador dijo que no.",3374.36,3375.34,{"idx":4125,"utterance_id":4126,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4127,"start_s":4128,"end_s":4129,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},623,"212991","El gobernador da mil explicaciones inexplicables, así, no tienen sustento en la realidad, lo que él está diciendo.",3375.78,3384.14,{"idx":4131,"utterance_id":4132,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4133,"start_s":4134,"end_s":4135,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},624,"212992","La verdad es que varios estados brasileños superaron a São Paulo con menos recursos que São Paulo.",3384.68,3392.02,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":4137,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4138,"start_s":4139,"end_s":4140,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},"212993","Estoy hablando de Espírito Santo, Goiás, Pernambuco, Piauí, Ceará, por citar algunos que ya superaron la marca de São Paulo.",3392.68,3400.2,{"idx":4142,"utterance_id":4143,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4144,"start_s":4145,"end_s":4146,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},626,"212994","Es inimaginable que São Paulo ocupe la décima posición.",3400.94,3404,{"idx":4148,"utterance_id":4149,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4150,"start_s":4151,"end_s":4152,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},627,"212995","Ahí vas a ver cuáles fueron las razones.",3404.4,3406.5,{"idx":4154,"utterance_id":4155,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4156,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4157,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4158,"target_proposition":4159,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":4160,"indexable":257},628,"212996","El 47% de la fuerza de trabajo en São Paulo no pasó por concurso.",3411.24,"5305db6d-aa7c-4f3e-bd09-06f3fd1f888d","realizar concursos públicos para docentes y empleados de la red pública","Señala que el 47% de la fuerza laboral sin concurso es un problema implícito.",{"idx":4162,"utterance_id":4163,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4164,"start_s":4165,"end_s":4166,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},629,"212997","Se llama categoría O. No se abre concurso.",3411.86,3414.68,{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},630,"212998","Ahora está intentando correr para... Ni podría abrir concurso ahora antes de las elecciones, pero están corriendo.",3415.12,3420.3,{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4179,"target_proposition":4180,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4181,"indexable":257},631,"212999","Menos mal que hay democracia, porque el tipo se siente presionado por los hechos y por la caída.",3420.7,3425.8,"c2e1d590-1060-454b-87f2-5b26266c01b0","mejorar la calidad de la educación básica y secundaria para aumentar el aprendizaje en matemáticas y lenguas","Califica la caída en el IDEB como 'absurdo' y defiende un cambio de políticas.",{"idx":4183,"utterance_id":4184,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4185,"start_s":4186,"end_s":4187,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4188,"target_proposition":4189,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4190,"indexable":257},632,"213000","Hubo una plattaformización de la enseñanza completamente contraproducente, en contra del profesor.",3426.38,3432.86,"4388a9f0-f158-498f-870f-3daf096a56f5","valorar la labor docente y evitar su mecanización","Critica 'plataformização' y defiende la valorización del profesor.",{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},633,"213001","O sea, dejaste de lado el libro didáctico, dejaste de lado los programas estructurados, llenaste la escuela de servicio burocrático, de rellenar planillas.",3434.02,3447.14,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},634,"213002","Totalmente sin consecuencia para la relación enseñanza-aprendizaje.",3448.86,3454.22,{"idx":4204,"utterance_id":4205,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4206,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},635,"213003","Hoy hay clases con diapositivas, cosas banales que se están dando.",3454.24,3459.2,{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4215,"target_proposition":4216,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4217,"indexable":257},636,"213004","O sea, hay un tercio de las escuelas de São Paulo que no tiene banda ancha suficiente para lo que la propia secretaría pide.",3459.74,3465.62,"ec8a10e3-55eb-438a-8d7a-a2aa5f991fd7","garantizar acceso a Internet de calidad en las escuelas públicas","Cita que un tercio de las escuelas no tiene banda ancha suficiente (propone corregirlo).",{"idx":4219,"utterance_id":4220,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4221,"start_s":4222,"end_s":4223,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},637,"213005","Entonces estamos en un proceso de descomposición de la escuela pública.",3466.74,3469.5,{"idx":4225,"utterance_id":4226,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4227,"start_s":4228,"end_s":4229,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},638,"213006","A veces escucho a la gente decir, mi hijo está en una escuela municipal, mi hijo está bien.",3470.32,3474.86,{"idx":4231,"utterance_id":4232,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4233,"start_s":4234,"end_s":4235,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},639,"213007","Pero en la enseñanza media, más del 80% de la matrícula es en escuela estatal.",3476.06,3481.22,{"idx":4237,"utterance_id":4238,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4239,"start_s":4240,"end_s":4241,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},640,"213008","O sea, una generación entera pasará por la escuela estatal.",3481.94,3486.18,{"idx":4243,"utterance_id":4244,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4245,"start_s":4246,"end_s":4247,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},641,"213009","No hay forma de evitarlo.",3486.32,3487.26,{"idx":4249,"utterance_id":4250,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4251,"start_s":4252,"end_s":4253,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},642,"213010","O tienes dinero para poner en la escuela privada, o vas a tener que matricular en la escuela estatal, del Estado.",3487.68,3492.88,{"idx":4255,"utterance_id":4256,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4257,"start_s":4258,"end_s":4259,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},643,"213011","Y no hay un sentido de urgencia.",3494.22,3496.4,{"idx":4261,"utterance_id":4262,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4263,"start_s":4264,"end_s":4265,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},644,"213012","¿Qué escuché en declaraciones después de esa caída?",3496.86,3499.98,{"idx":4267,"utterance_id":4268,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4269,"start_s":4270,"end_s":4271,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4272,"target_proposition":4273,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4274,"indexable":74},645,"213013","Vamos a insistir en el modelo actual.",3501.32,3503.68,"756842b8-8f7d-444e-a874-0884152ed51a","implementar el modelo cívico-militar y la privatización de las escuelas","Critica insistentemente el modelo cívico-militar y la privatización defendidos por el gobierno actual.",{"idx":4276,"utterance_id":4277,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4278,"start_s":4279,"end_s":4280,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},646,"213014","Plataformas... escuela cívico-militar y privatización de las escuelas.",3504.58,3509.16,{"idx":4282,"utterance_id":4283,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4284,"start_s":4285,"end_s":4286,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},647,"213015","Ese es el modelo que será continuado por el gobierno actual.",3509.52,3512.98,{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},648,"213016","Puedes contar con que no va a revertir la situación.",3514.28,3516.58,{"idx":4294,"utterance_id":4295,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4296,"start_s":4297,"end_s":4298,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4299,"target_proposition":4300,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4301,"indexable":257},649,"213017","O hacemos, volvemos a hacer concursos públicos, valorar las licenciaturas, desde el estudiante de licenciatura, que puede ser incorporado a la escuela, con beca de iniciación y docencia, como hice en el MEC (Ministerio de Educación) cuando yo era ministro.",3517.24,3532.44,"b5237c8a-ca34-4fe3-aebf-6f13d49a6016","realizar concursos públicos y valorar la formación de profesores","propone retomar concursos y valorar las licenciaturas explícitamente",{"idx":4303,"utterance_id":4304,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4305,"start_s":4306,"end_s":4307,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4308,"target_proposition":4309,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4310,"indexable":74},650,"213018","Recuperar la calidad del material didáctico.",3533.2,3535.5,"dfd72fde-097a-42ef-b4cc-06bebf7ad759","recuperar la calidad del material didáctico","propone recuperar la calidad del material didáctico de forma 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jornada completa como medida de política educativa",{"idx":4330,"utterance_id":4331,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4332,"start_s":4333,"end_s":4334,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4335,"target_proposition":4336,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4337,"indexable":74},653,"213021","Estamos en la cola, estamos en la media nacional.",3540.58,3544.06,"ce08ef8a-5630-40a9-adc5-5e2f7ac976bd","revertir la caída en la calidad de la educación pública estatal","relata el rendimiento inferior del estado sin proponer acción concreta allí",{"idx":4339,"utterance_id":4340,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4341,"start_s":4342,"end_s":4343,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4326,"target_proposition":4327,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4344,"indexable":74},654,"213022","En escuela de jornada completa, en comparación con otros estados, lo estamos perdiendo por goleada.",3544.46,3549.26,"compara la participación en tiempo completo con otros estados sin proponer medida en ese tramo",{"idx":4346,"utterance_id":4347,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4348,"start_s":4349,"end_s":4350,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4326,"target_proposition":4327,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4351,"indexable":257},655,"213023","Piauí llega a tener 81% de enseñanza media en jornada completa.",3550.24,3553.76,"cita dato de Piauí sobre enseñanza media en jornada completa de forma descriptiva",{"idx":4353,"utterance_id":4354,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4355,"start_s":4356,"end_s":4357,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4358,"target_proposition":4359,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4360,"indexable":74},656,"213024","La educación profesional es de fachada.",3554.38,3556.28,"7b1536aa-e5a0-4ec3-aeea-68635bc7f4a1","fortalecer la educación profesional e integrar currículo propedéutico","critica el formato actual y se queja de que la educación profesional no mejora el aprendizaje",{"idx":4362,"utterance_id":4363,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4364,"start_s":4365,"end_s":4366,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4358,"target_proposition":4359,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4367,"indexable":257},657,"213025","La educación profesional tiene que fortalecer el currículo propedéutico.",3557.1,3560.72,"afirma que la educación profesional debe fortalecer el currículo propedéutico",{"idx":4369,"utterance_id":4370,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4371,"start_s":4372,"end_s":4373,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4358,"target_proposition":4359,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":4374,"indexable":74},658,"213026","Interacciona con lo propedéutico.",3561.42,3563,"describe la interacción entre componentes curriculares sin argumento 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trabajo","afirma que los docentes buscan solución y valorización, sin detallar la medida allí",{"idx":4422,"utterance_id":4423,"speaker_name":69,"text":4424,"start_s":4425,"end_s":4426,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},665,"213033","Ministro.",3591.98,3592.52,{"idx":4428,"utterance_id":4429,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4430,"start_s":4431,"end_s":4432,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4433,"target_proposition":4434,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":4435,"indexable":257},666,"213034","Creo que recolocar a São Paulo, o sea, como mínimo entre los cinco primeros, no puede ser que São Paulo no esté como mínimo entre los cinco mejores sistemas de enseñanza del país.",3593.8,3603.92,"8f022c65-d134-4c98-b1a2-a1fa3a02655e","mejorar indicadores de la educación básica en el Estado de São Paulo (IDEB)","define una meta explícita de recolocar a São Paulo entre los cinco primeros sistemas",{"idx":4437,"utterance_id":4438,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4439,"start_s":4440,"end_s":4441,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},667,"213035","No es posible eso.",3604.38,3605.5,{"idx":4443,"utterance_id":4444,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4445,"start_s":4446,"end_s":4447,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},668,"213036","Con los recursos que tiene, con la fuerza de trabajo que tiene, yo conozco a esos profesores.",3605.7,3611.16,{"idx":4449,"utterance_id":4450,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4451,"start_s":4452,"end_s":4453,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},669,"213037","Muchos de ellos trabajan en dos redes, en la municipal y en la estatal.",3611.2,3614.78,{"idx":4455,"utterance_id":4456,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4457,"start_s":4458,"end_s":4459,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},670,"213038","Son gente de mucho valor.",3615.52,3616.7,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},"213039","Ahora, de la manera en que están siendo tratados, no se hace una reforma contra el profesor.",3617.44,3623.08,{"idx":4466,"utterance_id":4467,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4468,"start_s":4469,"end_s":4470,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4402,"target_proposition":4403,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":4471,"indexable":74},672,"213040","Se hace con el profesor una reforma.",3623.24,3625.7,"declara que la reforma debe hacerse 'com o professor', proponiendo un método inclusivo",{"idx":4473,"utterance_id":4474,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4475,"start_s":4476,"end_s":4477,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},673,"213041","Porque incluso se trae al ejército dentro del aula para hacer que eso funcione.",3626.1,3629.78,{"idx":4479,"utterance_id":4480,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4481,"start_s":4482,"end_s":4483,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},674,"213042","Y la decepción es muy grande.",3630.86,3633.06,{"idx":4485,"utterance_id":4486,"speaker_name":69,"text":4487,"start_s":4488,"end_s":4489,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},675,"213043","Por favor, Clarissa tiene una pregunta.",3633.54,3634.82,{"idx":4491,"utterance_id":4492,"speaker_name":69,"text":4493,"start_s":4494,"end_s":4495,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4496,"target_proposition":4497,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4498,"indexable":257},676,"213044","Ministro, hemos visto el tema de la corrupción aparecer con mucha fuerza en estas elecciones una vez más.",3634.84,3642.08,"69173589-3c47-41dc-a234-53da52e356ea","combatir la corrupción y la impunidad","señala que la corrupción reaparece como tema electoral, sin defender acción específica",{"idx":4500,"utterance_id":4501,"speaker_name":69,"text":4502,"start_s":4503,"end_s":4504,"word_count":356,"indexable":74},677,"213045","Y recientemente en la entrevista que usted... dio ahí a la CNN, yo le hice una pregunta y después, al verla, me llamó la atención una cosa de la que me gustaría conversar con usted respecto a la figura de la lobista Roberta Luxinger.",3642.46,3656,{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":69,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":298,"indexable":74},678,"213046","Le pregunté si la conocía y usted respondió de la siguiente forma, diciendo que tal vez yo ni la reconozca, que nunca estuve con ella en el ambiente, nunca presencié una reunión con ella, nunca fui convocado.",3656.54,3668.86,{"idx":4512,"utterance_id":4513,"speaker_name":69,"text":4514,"start_s":4515,"end_s":4516,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},679,"213047","También podría incluso haber sido convocado, pero que no lo fue.",3669.1,3672.16,{"idx":4518,"utterance_id":4519,"speaker_name":69,"text":4520,"start_s":4521,"end_s":4522,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},680,"213048","Me llama la atención, primero, ¿quién podría haberlo convocado a usted para una reunión con ella?",3673.22,3678.06,{"idx":4524,"utterance_id":4525,"speaker_name":69,"text":4526,"start_s":4527,"end_s":4528,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},681,"213049","Y segundo, si alguien alguna vez le pidió que la recibiera, pidió que usted tuviera una reunión, aunque usted haya negado, como hizo, por ejemplo, ya dijo varias veces, con el Daniel Vorcaro.",3678.68,3690.34,{"idx":4530,"utterance_id":4531,"speaker_name":69,"text":4532,"start_s":4533,"end_s":4534,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4535,"target_proposition":4536,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":4537,"indexable":74},682,"213050","Para entender hasta qué punto eso permeó su actuación?",3690.48,3694.9,"d95a1a58-252b-4cd9-a720-5ff98a8252a3","esclarecer relaciones con lobistas y solicitudes de audiencia","pregunta sobre la posible intermediación de lobistas, sin apoyar medida concreta",{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":69,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},683,"213051","Cero.",3695.1,3695.42,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4545,"speaker_name":69,"text":4541,"start_s":4546,"end_s":4547,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"213052",3696.42,3696.68,{"idx":4549,"utterance_id":4550,"speaker_name":69,"text":4551,"start_s":4552,"end_s":4553,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},685,"213053","Pero ¿quién podría haberlo convocado a usted a esa frase?",3697.44,3699.94,{"idx":4555,"utterance_id":4556,"speaker_name":69,"text":4557,"start_s":4558,"end_s":4559,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},686,"213054","Fue usted quien lo 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reuniones en la Esplanada.",3705.9,3710.08,"afirma que Fazenda es invitada a reuniones que implican recursos, explicando la rutina",{"idx":4577,"utterance_id":4578,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4579,"start_s":4580,"end_s":4581,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},689,"213057","Todo lo que involucra recursos...",3710.96,3712.34,{"idx":4583,"utterance_id":4584,"speaker_name":69,"text":4585,"start_s":4586,"end_s":4587,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},690,"213058","Pero, ministro, no es cualquier reunión la que trae al ministro de Hacienda a sentarse en la silla.",3712.9,3716.7,{"idx":4589,"utterance_id":4590,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4591,"start_s":4592,"end_s":4593,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},691,"213059","No, pero ahí se está agarrando una palabra.",3716.72,3719.68,{"idx":4595,"utterance_id":4596,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4597,"start_s":4598,"end_s":4599,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4535,"target_proposition":4536,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4600,"indexable":74},692,"213060","Estoy diciendo que yo no tengo relación.",3720.02,3721.3,"niega tener cualquier relación con la lobista, describiendo ausencia de solicitudes de audiencia",{"idx":4602,"utterance_id":4603,"speaker_name":69,"text":4604,"start_s":4605,"end_s":4606,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},693,"213061","Pero nunca nadie llegó a pedir que usted se reuniera con ella, como pasó con el Borcardo, por 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social, ni nada.",3734.16,3740.8,"afirma no haber recibido pedido de audiencia, reunión o invitación con la lobista",{"idx":4628,"utterance_id":4629,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4630,"start_s":4631,"end_s":4632,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},697,"213065","Supe hoy que ella ya fue candidata a diputada.",3741.28,3743.86,{"idx":4634,"utterance_id":4635,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4636,"start_s":4637,"end_s":4638,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},698,"213066","Ni siquiera sabía eso.",3744.22,3745.24,{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},699,"213067","Ah, hay una foto mía con la diputada.",3746.88,3749.16,{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},700,"213068","Mira, yo tengo... capaz que hasta tenga una foto con Flávio Bolsonaro.",3749.9,3753.02,{"idx":4652,"utterance_id":4653,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4654,"start_s":4655,"end_s":4656,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},701,"213069","Nadie me va a acusar de nada por eso.",3753.2,3754.96,{"idx":4658,"utterance_id":4659,"speaker_name":69,"text":4660,"start_s":4661,"end_s":4662,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},702,"213070","Candidato, en el último debate... Una respuesta rápida, porque tenemos que ir a la próxima pausa, pero vamos.",3755.48,3760.56,{"idx":4664,"utterance_id":4665,"speaker_name":69,"text":4666,"start_s":4667,"end_s":4668,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},703,"213071","Pues bien, en el último debate, en el único debate suyo con el gobernador Tarcísio, hubo una gran discusión sobre las inversiones federales en São Paulo.",3760.74,3768.22,{"idx":4670,"utterance_id":4671,"speaker_name":69,"text":4672,"start_s":4673,"end_s":4674,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},704,"213072","Usted recordando que ese volumen aumentó mucho, lo cual es verdad, pero él destacando que a veces esos recursos tardaban demasiado.",3768.8,3776.84,{"idx":4676,"utterance_id":4677,"speaker_name":69,"text":4678,"start_s":4679,"end_s":4680,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},705,"213073","O Estadão hizo un estudio, que publicamos, y que tardó casi tres veces más la liberación, la aprobación del Ministerio para préstamos hechos por el gobierno de São Paulo en comparación con otros estados.",3776.86,3788.8,{"idx":4682,"utterance_id":4683,"speaker_name":69,"text":4684,"start_s":4685,"end_s":4686,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},706,"213074","Quisiera que usted explicara por qué.",3788.82,3790.4,{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4693,"target_proposition":4694,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4695,"indexable":257},707,"213075","Primero, hablar de tres veces puede dar la impresión así, una fue un año, la otra fue tres años.",3790.96,3795.92,"6b7915c9-4798-4806-9669-64024e79b124","aclarar criterios y plazos para aval de préstamos estatales","cuestiona la interpretación de la estadística, explicando plazos en días para el aval",{"idx":4697,"utterance_id":4698,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4699,"start_s":4700,"end_s":4701,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},708,"213076","No, estamos hablando de 30 días y 60 días.",3796.52,3801.9,{"idx":4703,"utterance_id":4704,"speaker_name":69,"text":4705,"start_s":4701,"end_s":4706,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},709,"213077","28,3 días para los demás y 78,2 días.",3804.6,{"idx":4708,"utterance_id":4709,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4710,"start_s":4711,"end_s":4712,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},710,"213078","Entonces, estamos hablando de días.",3804.62,3806.2,{"idx":4714,"utterance_id":4715,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4716,"start_s":4712,"end_s":4717,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},711,"213079","28 días contra 70 días.",3808.74,{"idx":4719,"utterance_id":4720,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4721,"start_s":4722,"end_s":4723,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4724,"target_proposition":4725,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4726,"indexable":257},712,"213080","Pusimos cuatro veces más dinero aquí de lo que Bolsonaro pone en el gobierno de Doria, con 40 días de diferencia entre las medias.",3810.78,3818.22,"1a7e1275-47ab-4728-a3d0-de0b8d51dfd8","aumentar y viabilizar inversiones federales en obras estatales","asegura haber liberado más recursos y avales para obras en São Paulo",{"idx":4728,"utterance_id":4729,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3407,"start_s":4730,"end_s":4731,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},713,"213081",3818.98,3819.3,{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},714,"213082","Por el volumen.",3819.6,3820.32,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},715,"213083","El volumen de recursos que pusimos aquí no es normal.",3821.84,3824.64,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4724,"target_proposition":4725,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4750,"indexable":257},716,"213084","Hicimos viables todas las obras del gobierno del Estado.",3825.62,3828.16,"afirma que hizo viables todas las obras del gobierno del Estado, reivindicando la acción",{"idx":4752,"utterance_id":4753,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4754,"start_s":4755,"end_s":4756,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},717,"213085","Mientras yo... Voy a dar para Amapá una aprobación.",3828.52,3832.88,{"idx":4758,"utterance_id":4759,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4760,"start_s":4761,"end_s":4762,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},718,"213086","Es una obra de 200 millones de reales.",3833.56,3835.5,{"idx":4764,"utterance_id":4765,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4766,"start_s":4767,"end_s":4768,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},719,"213087","Aquí es de 2.000 millones, 3.000 millones, 5.000 millones.",3835.62,3837.42,{"idx":4770,"utterance_id":4771,"speaker_name":69,"text":4772,"start_s":4773,"end_s":4774,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},720,"213088","Pero tuvimos, por ejemplo, una del Piauí, 2.000 millones, la aprobación en dos días, por ejemplo.",3838.04,3843.9,{"idx":4776,"utterance_id":4777,"speaker_name":69,"text":4778,"start_s":4779,"end_s":4780,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},721,"213089","O una en Bahía que tardó nueve días.",3843.92,3844.92,{"idx":4782,"utterance_id":4783,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4784,"start_s":4785,"end_s":4786,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},722,"213090","Sí, pero ahí usted tiene capacidad.",3844.94,3846.06,{"idx":4788,"utterance_id":4789,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4790,"start_s":4791,"end_s":4792,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},723,"213091","Hay muchos estados que no tienen endeudamiento.",3847.18,3849.16,{"idx":4794,"utterance_id":4795,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4796,"start_s":4797,"end_s":4798,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},724,"213092","Hay muchos estados que no deben nada.",3849.84,3851.68,{"idx":4800,"utterance_id":4801,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4802,"start_s":4803,"end_s":4804,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},725,"213093","No tiene casi análisis que hacer.",3851.7,3853.84,{"idx":4806,"utterance_id":4807,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4808,"start_s":4809,"end_s":4810,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},726,"213094","São Paulo debe mucho.",3854.6,3856.44,{"idx":4812,"utterance_id":4813,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4814,"start_s":4815,"end_s":4816,"word_count":239,"topic_slug":4817,"topic_label":4818,"target_id":4819,"target_proposition":4820,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4821,"indexable":257},727,"213095","Y sólo debe menos ahora, tiene un servicio de la deuda menor, porque nosotros reducimos en 12.000 millones el servicio de la deuda por año.",3856.92,3866.08,"divida-publica-estadual","Deuda pública estatal","d643ebb9-56d5-41fc-a27a-128e01e68675","adherirse al Propag para reestructurar la deuda estatal","afirma haber reducido el servicio de la deuda en São Paulo en 12.000 millones por año",{"idx":4823,"utterance_id":4824,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4825,"start_s":4826,"end_s":4827,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},728,"213096","¿Sabe cómo va a ser, entre comillas, la disminución del servicio de la deuda de São Paulo en 10 años?",3866.94,3874.34,{"idx":4829,"utterance_id":4830,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4831,"start_s":4832,"end_s":4833,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},729,"213097","Será de 128.000 millones de reais.",3874.78,3877.48,{"idx":4835,"utterance_id":4836,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4837,"start_s":4838,"end_s":4839,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":4817,"topic_label":4818,"target_id":4819,"target_proposition":4820,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4840,"indexable":257},730,"213098","São Paulo pagará menos intereses a la Unión por causa de la renegociación de la deuda.",3877.9,3881.9,"explica que la renegociación reducirá los intereses pagados por la Unión al Estado",{"idx":4842,"utterance_id":4843,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4844,"start_s":4845,"end_s":4846,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4847,"target_proposition":4848,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4849,"indexable":257},731,"213099","Entonces hicimos todo para abrir espacio fiscal para el Tarcídio, que no tiene la dignidad de agradecer o de reconocer.",3882.6,3890.6,"87f27a3e-0072-444a-a3df-7b2be1f5447f","renegociar la deuda de los estados con la Unión mediante el Propag (ley complementaria)","afirma que las acciones abrieron espacio fiscal para el gobierno estatal, criticando la falta de reconocimiento.",{"idx":4851,"utterance_id":4852,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4853,"start_s":4854,"end_s":4855,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},732,"213100","No sé por qué... Creo que se avergüenza, porque es bolsonarista y tal.",3891.9,3898.18,{"idx":4857,"utterance_id":4858,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4859,"start_s":4860,"end_s":4861,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},733,"213101","Mira, es normal.",3898.48,3899.32,{"idx":4863,"utterance_id":4864,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4865,"start_s":4866,"end_s":4867,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},734,"213102","Dice, está bien, vamos a hacerlo juntos.",3899.52,3901.08,{"idx":4869,"utterance_id":4870,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4871,"start_s":4872,"end_s":4873,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},735,"213103","¿Cuál es el problema?",3901.14,3901.88,{"idx":4875,"utterance_id":4876,"speaker_name":69,"text":4877,"start_s":4878,"end_s":4879,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},736,"213104","¿Se está escondiendo la figura de Bolsonaro?",3902.06,3904.18,{"idx":4881,"utterance_id":4882,"speaker_name":69,"text":4883,"start_s":4884,"end_s":4885,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},737,"213105","Perdón, gente, pero necesito hacer otro intervalo.",3904.2,3907.2,{"idx":4887,"utterance_id":4888,"speaker_name":69,"text":4889,"start_s":4890,"end_s":4891,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},738,"213106","Continuamos a continuación con Fernando Haddad.",3907.9,3910.66,{"idx":4893,"utterance_id":4894,"speaker_name":69,"text":4895,"start_s":4896,"end_s":4897,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},739,"213107","Hasta ya.",3911.12,3911.34,{"idx":4899,"utterance_id":4900,"speaker_name":69,"text":4901,"start_s":4902,"end_s":4903,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},740,"213108","Estamos de vuelta con nuestro último bloque, un candidato del PT al gobierno del Estado de São Paulo, Fernando Haddad.",3946.86,3951.66,{"idx":4905,"utterance_id":4906,"speaker_name":69,"text":4907,"start_s":4908,"end_s":4909,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},741,"213109","Vamos, preguntas rápidas, directo al grano aquí.",3951.74,3954.4,{"idx":4911,"utterance_id":4912,"speaker_name":69,"text":4913,"start_s":4914,"end_s":4915,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},742,"213110","Guilherme de Abreu, de São Paulo.",3954.46,3955.96,{"idx":4917,"utterance_id":4918,"speaker_name":69,"text":4919,"start_s":4920,"end_s":4921,"word_count":259,"indexable":74},743,"213111","Los eventos climáticos extremos en São Paulo ponen en riesgo el abastecimiento de agua, la cosecha agrícola y la vida de miles de personas, tanto en las áreas urbanas como en la costa.",3957.4,3967.02,{"idx":4923,"utterance_id":4924,"speaker_name":69,"text":4925,"start_s":4926,"end_s":4927,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},744,"213112","Además de acciones de respuesta a desastres, ¿cuál es su plan concreto para la adaptación y la resiliencia de la infraestructura urbana y del agronegocio paulista frente a esas emergencias?",3967.4,3976.42,{"idx":4929,"utterance_id":4930,"speaker_name":69,"text":4931,"start_s":4932,"end_s":4933,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},745,"213113","Una pregunta importante.",3976.44,3977.5,{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},746,"213114","Buena, buena pregunta.",3977.56,3978.9,{"idx":4941,"utterance_id":4942,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4943,"start_s":4944,"end_s":4945,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":4946,"topic_label":4947,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4950,"indexable":257},747,"213115","Y así, no hay bala de plata, no hay que hacer muchas cosas, sino reservas de agua.",3979.2,3984.46,"meio-ambiente-infraestrutura","Medio ambiente e infraestructura","91c56360-0167-4869-82f8-2b777a41a150","invertir en reservación y almacenamiento de agua","defiende explícitamente una fuerte inversión en reservación de agua.",{"idx":4952,"utterance_id":4953,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4954,"start_s":4955,"end_s":4956,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":4946,"topic_label":4947,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4957,"indexable":257},748,"213116","Tendremos que seguir invirtiendo mucho en reservas de agua, porque aunque los negacionistas dicen que no hay evento extremo, que no hay cambio climático, está ocurriendo.",3985.14,3993.76,"repite el compromiso de seguir invirtiendo fuertemente en reservación de agua.",{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},749,"213117","Olas de calor, una serie de problemas.",3994.18,3996.12,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":4946,"topic_label":4947,"target_id":4970,"target_proposition":4971,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4972,"indexable":257},750,"213118","Entonces tendremos que invertir y hacer un plan de seguridad hídrica para São Paulo, para consumo humano y también para riego.",3996.8,4003.74,"71d13599-0c72-4cea-aa23-be188e42121e","elaborar y implementar un plan de seguridad hídrica para São Paulo","propone un plan de seguridad hídrica para consumo humano y riego.",{"idx":4974,"utterance_id":4975,"speaker_name":69,"text":4976,"start_s":4977,"end_s":4978,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":4979,"topic_label":4980,"target_id":4981,"target_proposition":4982,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":4983,"indexable":74},751,"213119","¿Qué se hace con la Sabesp privatizada?",4004,4005.9,"saneamento-privatizacao","Saneamiento\u002FPrivatización","390111b0-9b9b-4fe1-8620-c3cb50e7f8fa","definir política para la Sabesp tras eventual privatización","pregunta cómo lidiar con la Sabesp privatizada, sin defender una medida propia.",{"idx":4985,"utterance_id":4986,"speaker_name":69,"text":4987,"start_s":4988,"end_s":4989,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},752,"213120","¿Reestatizarla?",4006.24,4007.1,{"idx":4991,"utterance_id":4992,"speaker_name":69,"text":4993,"start_s":4994,"end_s":4995,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},753,"213121","Estamos en ese campo, ¿no?",4008.04,4009.36,{"idx":4997,"utterance_id":4998,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4999,"start_s":5000,"end_s":5001,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5004,"target_proposition":5005,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":5006,"indexable":257},754,"213122","Siempre fui contrario a la privatización de la Sabesp.",4010,4013.82,"saneamento","Saneamiento","7c32bd92-03d1-4b5f-8965-1315e2404c12","privatizar la Sabesp","declara explícitamente estar en contra de la privatización de la Sabesp.",{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5004,"target_proposition":5005,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5013,"indexable":257},755,"213123","Porque Terci prometió bajar la factura del agua que subió, mejorar el servicio que empeoró y las ganancias de la compañía sólo siguen creciendo.",4014.34,4022.22,"señala promesas incumplidas como crítica directa a la privatización.",{"idx":50,"utterance_id":5015,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5016,"start_s":5017,"end_s":5018,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5019,"target_proposition":5020,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5021,"indexable":257},"213124","Esta semana hubo la cuarta muerte en una obra de la Sabesp.",4022.74,4025.46,"7953b753-b591-415e-9764-77fea9bfb0c0","garantizar seguridad y responsabilización en obras de saneamiento","informa de una muerte en una obra de la Sabesp, enfatizando el riesgo sin una propuesta inmediata allí.",{"idx":5023,"utterance_id":5024,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5025,"start_s":5026,"end_s":5027,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},757,"213125","Y parece que a él no le importa.",4026.44,4028.04,{"idx":5029,"utterance_id":5030,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5031,"start_s":5032,"end_s":5033,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},758,"213126","No se preocupa por las personas.",4029.46,4030.64,{"idx":5035,"utterance_id":5036,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5037,"start_s":5038,"end_s":5039,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},759,"213127","Pero bueno.",4030.68,4031.16,{"idx":5041,"utterance_id":5042,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5043,"start_s":5044,"end_s":5045,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5046,"target_proposition":5047,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5048,"indexable":257},760,"213128","Tendremos que hacer obras, porque no todo el Estado está atendido por la Sabesp y no todo es obligación de la Sabesp.",4031.86,4037.26,"5ce0a567-e779-42a5-a0f6-bcf9724fa781","implementar la integración de obras públicas (agua, alcantarillado y pavimentación) y tarifa social","propone que el Estado realice obras no previstas en el contrato de la Sabesp.",{"idx":5050,"utterance_id":5051,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5052,"start_s":5053,"end_s":5054,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},761,"213129","El contrato de la Sabesp prevé una serie de obligaciones, pero hay cosas que no están en el contrato de la Sabesp que van a tener que hacerse.",4037.82,4042.94,{"idx":5056,"utterance_id":5057,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5058,"start_s":5059,"end_s":5060,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},762,"213130","Entonces, esa es la primera cosa.",4043.3,4044.62,{"idx":5062,"utterance_id":5063,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5064,"start_s":5065,"end_s":5066,"word_count":438,"topic_slug":5067,"topic_label":5068,"target_id":5069,"target_proposition":5070,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":5071,"indexable":257},763,"213131","La segunda es lo siguiente: tenemos que tener una defensa civil más preparada, tanto para incendios como para eventos extremos, como ocurrió en Ribeirão, como ocurrió... Hay varias cosas pasando; vamos a tener una defensa civil mejor para eventos extremos y previsibilidad, invertir más en investigación para intentar mapear cómo va a suceder esto.",4045.08,4064.92,"gestao-de-riscos-protecao-civil","Gestión de Riesgos \u002F Protección Civil","3fd16acc-1ba8-44aa-90b6-1fee1b2a4195","fortalecer la defensa civil y invertir en investigación para eventos extremos","propone una defensa civil más preparada y más investigación para la previsibilidad.",{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5082,"indexable":257},764,"213132","Hay una cosa que el ministro Fávaro defiende, que quiero traer a São Paulo.",4065.34,4069.54,"politica-agricola","Política agrícola","0f26efa9-3290-4c20-82c6-cd821b86ed56","implementar seguro rural que garantice las pérdidas de cosecha","dice querer presentar una propuesta de universalización del seguro rural paramétrico.",{"idx":5084,"utterance_id":5085,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5086,"start_s":5087,"end_s":5088,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1511,"rationale":5089,"indexable":74},765,"213133","Él quiere universalizar el seguro rural.",4070.18,4072.62,"afirma que el objetivo es universalizar el seguro rural, defendiendo la idea.",{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5096,"indexable":257},766,"213134","Pero un tipo de seguro real, que es el llamado seguro paramétrico.",4073.62,4078.24,"explica y apoya el uso del seguro paramétrico como formato adecuado.",{"idx":5098,"utterance_id":5099,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5100,"start_s":5101,"end_s":5102,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},767,"213135","Se definen determinados parámetros y entonces se compra la póliza para el agricultor.",4078.72,4084.02,{"idx":5104,"utterance_id":5105,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5106,"start_s":5107,"end_s":5108,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},768,"213136","Se garantiza la póliza para el agricultor.",4084.08,4086.84,{"idx":5110,"utterance_id":5111,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5112,"start_s":5113,"end_s":5114,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},769,"213137","Esto es para, no situaciones rutinarias, sino para situaciones que tendrán que pasar por el escrutinio de las aseguradoras.",4087.54,4097.28,{"idx":5116,"utterance_id":5117,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5118,"start_s":5119,"end_s":5120,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},770,"213138","¿Quién paga?",4097.36,4097.84,{"idx":5122,"utterance_id":5123,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5124,"start_s":5125,"end_s":5126,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},771,"213139","El Estado paga.",4099.02,4100.28,{"idx":5128,"utterance_id":5129,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5124,"start_s":5130,"end_s":5131,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},772,"213140",4100.32,4100.98,{"idx":5133,"utterance_id":5134,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5135,"start_s":5136,"end_s":5137,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},773,"213141","Pero no es el seguro tradicional.",4101.9,4103.56,{"idx":5139,"utterance_id":5140,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5141,"start_s":5142,"end_s":5143,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},774,"213142","En el seguro tradicional, que hoy la Unión subvenciona, entra con una subvención que puede llegar, no sé, al 40%.",4104.02,4112.34,{"idx":5145,"utterance_id":5146,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5147,"start_s":5148,"end_s":5149,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},775,"213143","El Estado tiene una pequeña subvención, tiene un tope, incluso, que es bajo, creo que es un tope de 30 mil reales.",4113.22,4119.26,{"idx":5151,"utterance_id":5152,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5153,"start_s":5154,"end_s":5155,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5156,"indexable":257},776,"213144","Pero vamos a tener que innovar en seguros.",4120.14,4122.26,"declara la necesidad de innovar en seguros para dar más seguridad al agro.",{"idx":5158,"utterance_id":5159,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5160,"start_s":5161,"end_s":5162,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5163,"target_proposition":5164,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5165,"indexable":257},777,"213145","Vamos a tener que sentarnos con las aseguradoras, con la superintendencia de seguros del gobierno federal, que es la SUSEP, que está vinculada al Ministerio de Hacienda.",4122.86,4130,"d67182b2-ae3c-4b5c-a8c9-ebecd9dbacd2","articular con SUSEP y aseguradoras para crear un nuevo seguro rural","propone sentarse con aseguradoras y la SUSEP para diseñar un nuevo seguro rural.",{"idx":5167,"utterance_id":5168,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5169,"start_s":5170,"end_s":5171,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},778,"213146","y con el agro paulista, y vamos a armar algo bien pensado para dar más seguridad al agro frente al cambio climático.",4130.58,4137.84,{"idx":5173,"utterance_id":5174,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5175,"start_s":5176,"end_s":5177,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},779,"213147","Estamos hablando de nuevas modalidades de seguro.",4138.14,4140.32,{"idx":5179,"utterance_id":5180,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5181,"start_s":5182,"end_s":5183,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5184,"target_proposition":5185,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5186,"indexable":257},780,"213148","Y tengo ganas de encabezar esta discusión aquí por São Paulo.",4140.84,4143.58,"3ec1ba29-a31c-467d-a963-9e656e424be0","implementar seguro rural paramétrico y liderar el debate en São Paulo","afirma estar dispuesto a encabezar la discusión sobre el seguro rural en SP.",{"idx":5188,"utterance_id":5189,"speaker_name":69,"text":5190,"start_s":5191,"end_s":5192,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},781,"213149","Pedro, por favor.",4144.2,4144.74,{"idx":5194,"utterance_id":5195,"speaker_name":69,"text":5196,"start_s":5197,"end_s":5198,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5199,"topic_label":5200,"target_id":5201,"target_proposition":5202,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5203,"indexable":74},782,"213150","Ministro, hoy la Asamblea Legislativa es un espacio bastante conservador.",4144.76,4149.78,"politica-estadual","Política estatal","586925e3-8429-4067-9297-264f245e0170","negociar con la Asamblea Legislativa para aprobar la agenda del gobierno","señala la composición conservadora y la necesidad de lidiar con la ALESP.",{"idx":5205,"utterance_id":5206,"speaker_name":69,"text":5207,"start_s":5208,"end_s":5209,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},783,"213151","Los 94 diputados, si sumamos los partidos de izquierda, las coaliciones, llegarán aproximadamente a unas 29 bancas.",4150.32,4157.5,{"idx":5211,"utterance_id":5212,"speaker_name":69,"text":5213,"start_s":5214,"end_s":5215,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":5199,"topic_label":5200,"target_id":5201,"target_proposition":5202,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5216,"indexable":74},784,"213152","Si gobernador, ¿cómo va a lidiar con la Lespe, con un escenario probablemente tan desfavorable?",4158.24,4162.64,"pregunta cómo el candidato lidiará con un escenario legislativo desfavorable.",{"idx":5218,"utterance_id":5219,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5220,"start_s":5221,"end_s":5222,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":5223,"topic_label":5224,"target_id":5225,"target_proposition":5226,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5227,"indexable":257},785,"213153","Más o menos como lo hice con el Congreso.",4163.16,4164.94,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Casa Civil \u002F Articulación Política","426b6558-12ef-40b6-9779-42cea4526279","formar coaliciones políticas al gobernar","dice que pretende actuar como lo hizo en el Congreso Nacional para aprobar propuestas estatales.",{"idx":5229,"utterance_id":5230,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5231,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},786,"213154","No es más desfavorable que el Congreso Nacional.",4166,4168.62,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":5223,"topic_label":5224,"target_id":5240,"target_proposition":5241,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5242,"indexable":257},787,"213155","Y nosotros presentamos al Congreso Nacional, este que está ahí, más de 70 proyectos de ley, contando enmienda constitucional, ley complementaria, medida provisoria, más de 70.",4169.66,4181.08,"c13ccdba-ea33-4007-b68d-ba880f101f90","presentar y negociar una amplia agenda legislativa (leyes, PECs, MPs)","reivindica haber enviado más de 70 proyectos y agendas al Congreso Nacional.",{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"213156","Tuve dos reveses, dos, de más de 70.",4181.98,4186.96,{"idx":5249,"utterance_id":5250,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5251,"start_s":5252,"end_s":5253,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":5254,"topic_label":5255,"target_id":5256,"target_proposition":5257,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":5258,"indexable":257},789,"213157","Y en los dos fui al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y gané en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), porque el Ejecutivo estaba en lo cierto y el Congreso excedió sus prerrogativas.",4187.04,4197.3,"poder-judiciario-e-separacao-de-poderes","Poder Judicial y separación de poderes","3e689e78-ec56-484a-9c6e-3babee7ec540","recurrir al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) cuando el Congreso Nacional exceda las prerrogativas del Ejecutivo","afirma haber recurrido al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y obtenido decisiones favorables para el Ejecutivo.",{"idx":5260,"utterance_id":5261,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5262,"start_s":5263,"end_s":5264,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},790,"213158","Entonces tuvimos 100% de aprovechamiento, 100% de aprovechamiento.",4197.98,4203.6,{"idx":5266,"utterance_id":5267,"speaker_name":69,"text":5268,"start_s":5269,"end_s":5270,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":5271,"topic_label":5272,"target_id":5273,"target_proposition":5274,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":5275,"indexable":74},791,"213159","Pero entonces hay que abrir las arcas.",4203.64,4205.6,"estrategia-legislativa","Estrategia legislativa","43480bff-46a9-4007-861f-8310776e211a","usar recursos y enmiendas como parte de la negociación legislativa","el entrevistador afirma la necesidad de 'abrir cofres' para negociar, sin defenderlo personalmente.",{"idx":5277,"utterance_id":5278,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5279,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5280,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},792,"213160","95% de aprovechamiento en la votación.",4207.18,{"idx":5282,"utterance_id":5283,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5284,"start_s":5285,"end_s":5286,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},793,"213161","y 5% de aprovechamiento en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",4208.4,4210.7,{"idx":5288,"utterance_id":5289,"speaker_name":69,"text":5290,"start_s":5291,"end_s":5292,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},794,"213162","Ahí hay que abrir arcas, hay que hacer las enmiendas, pagar...",4210.84,4214.06,{"idx":5294,"utterance_id":5295,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5296,"start_s":5297,"end_s":5298,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},795,"213163","Mira, sabes que, te voy a contar una cosa, y puedes creerla o no, porque es increíble.",4214.14,4220.76,{"idx":5300,"utterance_id":5301,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5302,"start_s":5303,"end_s":5304,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":2374,"topic_label":2375,"target_id":5305,"target_proposition":5306,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5307,"indexable":257},796,"213164","Pero conseguimos establecer con el Congreso, y no me cansé de elogiar a los presidentes de las dos cámaras, decirles, mira, la economía inspira cuidados por la herencia de Bolsonaro.",4222.08,4234.96,"c7758dcb-862b-4a07-802e-6f8896974d5e","aislar debates económicos de negociaciones por enmiendas y cargos","dice haber conseguido aislar la agenda económica de la negociación de 'varejo' en el Congreso Nacional.",{"idx":5309,"utterance_id":5310,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5311,"start_s":5312,"end_s":5313,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},797,"213165","¿Vamos a poner orden en esto?",4235.36,4236.52,{"idx":5315,"utterance_id":5316,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5317,"start_s":5318,"end_s":5319,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},798,"213166","Y vamos a aislar los debates económicos de esas negociaciones más de tienda, que son enmienda, son cargos, es participación en el gobierno.",4237.06,4245.7,{"idx":5321,"utterance_id":5322,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5323,"start_s":5324,"end_s":5325,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},799,"213167","Hacienda no va a poder negociar todo.",4246.1,4248.96,{"idx":5327,"utterance_id":5328,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5329,"start_s":5330,"end_s":5331,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},800,"213168","Entonces intentaremos aislar en lo posible los debates de Estado, que es una agenda difícil, una agenda más compleja, una agenda que exige mucha negociación.",4248.98,4258.84,{"idx":5333,"utterance_id":5334,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5335,"start_s":5336,"end_s":5337,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},801,"213169","Y vamos a intentar aislar un poco.",4259.42,4260.84,{"idx":5339,"utterance_id":5340,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5341,"start_s":5342,"end_s":5343,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},802,"213170","Y conseguimos hacer ese aislamiento.",4261.44,4263.14,{"idx":5345,"utterance_id":5346,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5347,"start_s":5348,"end_s":5349,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},803,"213171","Nunca tuve que negociar nada, cargo, enmienda.",4263.22,4266.3,{"idx":5351,"utterance_id":5352,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5353,"start_s":5354,"end_s":5355,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},804,"213172","para aprobar la agenda de Hacienda.",4266.7,4268.72,{"idx":5357,"utterance_id":5358,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5359,"start_s":5360,"end_s":5361,"word_count":416,"indexable":74},805,"213173","Porque se hizo una negociación en la transición con Arthur Lira y con Rodrigo Pacheco, que luego se extendió a los actuales presidentes, el Gumote y el Alcolumbre, y logramos decir, mira, intentemos mantener aquí una agenda de Estado, mínima, sin contaminación, porque si no no va a avanzar, si no",4269.2,4288.82,{"idx":5363,"utterance_id":5364,"speaker_name":69,"text":5365,"start_s":5366,"end_s":5367,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},806,"213174","vamos a entregar lo que",4288.9,4290.04,{"idx":5369,"utterance_id":5370,"speaker_name":69,"text":5371,"start_s":5372,"end_s":5373,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},807,"213175","el país necesita.",4290.06,4291.14,{"idx":5375,"utterance_id":5376,"speaker_name":69,"text":5377,"start_s":5378,"end_s":5379,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},808,"213176","Esa factura llegó para alguien.",4291.94,4293.5,{"idx":5381,"utterance_id":5382,"speaker_name":69,"text":5383,"start_s":5384,"end_s":5385,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},809,"213177","Sabemos cómo funciona el juego en el Congreso.",4293.58,4295.9,{"idx":5387,"utterance_id":5388,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5389,"start_s":5390,"end_s":5391,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},810,"213178","Te lo digo, Clarissa, me estás preguntando, me preguntaste por Roberta, te respondí que nunca hice una reunión con ella, que nunca recibí pedido de audiencia, que nunca fui convocado para nada.",4295.92,4307.86,{"idx":5393,"utterance_id":5394,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5395,"start_s":5396,"end_s":5397,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},811,"213179","Y te estoy diciendo que nunca tuve que hacer una negociación con ninguno de los presidentes de las cámaras en torno a la agenda económica.",4308.36,4316.1,{"idx":5399,"utterance_id":5400,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5401,"start_s":5402,"end_s":5403,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},812,"213180","Si dijera lo contrario, estaría mintiendo.",4316.54,4318.46,{"idx":5405,"utterance_id":5406,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5407,"start_s":5408,"end_s":5409,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},813,"213181","Eso no ocurrió.",4318.8,4319.54,{"idx":5411,"utterance_id":5412,"speaker_name":69,"text":5413,"start_s":5414,"end_s":5415,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},814,"213182","Ministro, usted...",4319.88,4320.98,{"idx":5417,"utterance_id":5418,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5419,"start_s":5420,"end_s":5421,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},815,"213183","Cuando ocurrieron los dos reveses que no conseguí aprobar, recurrí al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",4321.22,4328.58,{"idx":5423,"utterance_id":5424,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5425,"start_s":5426,"end_s":5427,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},816,"213184","Y fueron días tensos.",4329.28,4331.6,{"idx":5429,"utterance_id":5430,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5431,"start_s":5432,"end_s":5433,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},817,"213185","Tener que ir al STF para contrariar a un Congreso Nacional no es fácil.",4332.3,4336.1,{"idx":5435,"utterance_id":5436,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5437,"start_s":5438,"end_s":5439,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},818,"213186","Pero no solo tenía razón en el fondo, sino que necesitaba la medida.",4336.66,4341.12,{"idx":5441,"utterance_id":5442,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5443,"start_s":5444,"end_s":5445,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},819,"213187","Para entregar hoy un presupuesto al Congreso Nacional con superávit primario, cosa que no recibí.",4342.16,4347.94,{"idx":5447,"utterance_id":5448,"speaker_name":69,"text":5449,"start_s":5450,"end_s":5451,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},820,"213188","En 2022, usted compitió contra Tarcísio de Freitas, perdió electoralmente, pero obtuvo una victoria política al llevar al segundo turno un resultado inédito para el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) en el Estado.",4348.84,4360.44,{"idx":5453,"utterance_id":5454,"speaker_name":69,"text":5455,"start_s":5456,"end_s":5457,"word_count":467,"indexable":74},821,"213189","En esta elección, él está electo, está disputando la reelección sentado en la silla de gobernador, está ampliamente por delante en las encuestas y un desglose de Datafolha, un análisis por segmento, muestra que... Exceptuando la región metropolitana de São Paulo, es decir, en el interior y en la costa del Estado, él tiene el doble de intención de voto que usted.",4361,4381.3,{"idx":5459,"utterance_id":5460,"speaker_name":69,"text":5461,"start_s":5462,"end_s":5463,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},822,"213190","¿Cuál sería, y usted también dijo el otro día que matemáticamente es imposible un segundo turno con dos candidatos competitivos solo en la primera vuelta, qué sería para usted una victoria, si no electoral, política, en esta elección?",4381.4,4390.46,{"idx":5465,"utterance_id":5466,"speaker_name":69,"text":5467,"start_s":5468,"end_s":5469,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},823,"213191","Mira, tengo una visión de la democracia que a veces choca un poco con... Para mí, la democracia es algo muy sagrado, que es lo siguiente: el soberano es el elector.",4391.2,4395.58,{"idx":5471,"utterance_id":5472,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5473,"start_s":5474,"end_s":5475,"word_count":259,"topic_slug":5476,"topic_label":5477,"target_id":5478,"target_proposition":5479,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5480,"indexable":257},824,"213192","Ahora bien, desinformado no va a ejercer esa soberanía de la manera más adecuada.",4396.84,4413.78,"democracia-e-participacao-eleitoral","Democracia y participación electoral","f86eb1bf-53c3-448e-b41b-3f0a82f41715","promover el debate público y la aclaración sobre políticas","defiende informar a la población como condición para el ejercicio de la soberanía.",{"idx":5482,"utterance_id":5483,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5484,"start_s":5485,"end_s":5486,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},825,"213193","Si soy capaz de informar todo, todo lo que sé sobre São Paulo, todos los problemas que constaté en 120 días de trabajo, con un equipo de 100 personas, radiografiando cada secretaría del Estado.",4414.46,4420.38,{"idx":5488,"utterance_id":5489,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5490,"start_s":5491,"end_s":5492,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":5476,"topic_label":5477,"target_id":5478,"target_proposition":5479,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5493,"indexable":257},826,"213194","Si informo a la población, aun así, prefiere dar continuidad, habré cumplido el papel de la oposición.",4420.9,4433.96,"se compromete a informar a la población sobre el diagnóstico de la administración estatal.",{"idx":5495,"utterance_id":5496,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5497,"start_s":5498,"end_s":5499,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},827,"213195","Pero conozco al pueblo de São Paulo.",4434.52,4441.52,{"idx":5501,"utterance_id":5502,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5503,"start_s":5504,"end_s":5505,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},828,"213196","Y tengo la certeza de que, informado, el día 4 de octubre, ese pueblo va a pensar.",4442.3,4444.94,{"idx":5507,"utterance_id":5508,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5509,"start_s":5510,"end_s":5511,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},829,"213197","Porque nadie tira por la borda una historia como la de São Paulo.",4445.7,4452.16,{"idx":5513,"utterance_id":5514,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5515,"start_s":5516,"end_s":5517,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},830,"213198","Este Estado no es poca cosa.",4453.12,4457.88,{"idx":5519,"utterance_id":5520,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5521,"start_s":5522,"end_s":5523,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},831,"213199","Este Estado es muy importante para el país, es muy importante para el mundo, São Paulo.",4458.6,4460.18,{"idx":5525,"utterance_id":5526,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5527,"start_s":5528,"end_s":5529,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},832,"213200","Y en eso confío.",4460.76,4465.28,{"idx":5531,"utterance_id":5532,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5533,"start_s":5534,"end_s":5535,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},833,"213201","Boris Fausto publicó un texto en la revista Piauí, ahora el último, en el que evalúa que el mayor error de la vida política de Lula fue no haber hecho un sucesor.",4467.26,4468.24,{"idx":5537,"utterance_id":5538,"speaker_name":69,"text":5539,"start_s":5540,"end_s":5541,"word_count":259,"indexable":74},834,"213202","Usted ya fue señalado varias veces como sucesor de Lula en una agenda reciente aquí en la convención del PT aquí en São Paulo.",4469.34,4479.52,{"idx":5543,"utterance_id":5544,"speaker_name":69,"text":5545,"start_s":5546,"end_s":5547,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},835,"213203","Dijo: tenemos que pensar en qué país vamos a dejarle a Haddad cuando él sea presidente de la República.",4480.5,4487.1,{"idx":5549,"utterance_id":5550,"speaker_name":69,"text":5551,"start_s":5552,"end_s":5553,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},836,"213204","Después hizo un gesto hacia Rafael Fonteles, a los gobernadores.",4487.76,4492.38,{"idx":5555,"utterance_id":5556,"speaker_name":69,"text":5557,"start_s":5558,"end_s":5559,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},837,"213205","De cualquier forma, quería escuchar de usted cuál es su evaluación respecto a la sucesión de Lula dentro de los partidos trabajadores, dado que esta es la última elección del presidente Lula, y de su situación personal en ese argumento.",4492.42,4495.8,{"idx":5561,"utterance_id":5562,"speaker_name":69,"text":5563,"start_s":5564,"end_s":5565,"word_count":335,"indexable":74},838,"213206","Mire, la sucesión de Lula va a ser compleja, sea cual sea el escenario, porque es muy difícil que aparezca un liderazgo",4496.62,4508.54,{"idx":5567,"utterance_id":5568,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5569,"start_s":5570,"end_s":5571,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},839,"213207","de la envergadura del presidente Lula.",4509.46,4516.64,{"idx":5573,"utterance_id":5574,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5575,"start_s":5576,"end_s":5577,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},840,"213208","No es solo por méritos personales, es por el contexto histórico, es una conjunción de factores.",4517.9,4519.38,{"idx":5579,"utterance_id":5580,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5581,"start_s":5582,"end_s":5583,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},841,"213209","Las circunstancias en que surgió, la manera en que apareció, lo que sumó de fuerzas a su alrededor, la iglesia, la academia, los sindicatos, el nuevo sindicalismo.",4520.18,4525.6,{"idx":5585,"utterance_id":5586,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5587,"start_s":5588,"end_s":5589,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},842,"213210","Aquello fue un evento, un acontecimiento histórico.",4526.1,4537.84,{"idx":5591,"utterance_id":5592,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5593,"start_s":5594,"end_s":5595,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},843,"213211","La transición de la dictadura a la democracia.",4538.52,4541.52,{"idx":5597,"utterance_id":5598,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5599,"start_s":5600,"end_s":5601,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},844,"213212","La campaña de 89, que fue la primera elección presidencial, ya en el segundo turno, en la primera elección que disputó para presidente, él fue un acontecimiento.",4541.92,4544.14,{"idx":5603,"utterance_id":5604,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5605,"start_s":5606,"end_s":5607,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},845,"213213","Y una persona con carisma, la prueba de todo, pasó por todo en la vida.",4544.58,4553.2,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5609,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5610,"start_s":5611,"end_s":5612,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},"213214","Entonces es muy complejo sustituir a una persona carismática como Lula, con su trayectoria, salido de Garanhuns, en pau de arara, vendió maní, lustró zapatos, hizo curso técnico, no es cosa de juego.",4553.7,4559.4,{"idx":5614,"utterance_id":5615,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5616,"start_s":5617,"end_s":5618,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},847,"213215","Entonces, ahora, pese a la complejidad de la sucesión de Lula, el PT tiene muchos cuadros y surgirán nuevos cuadros.",4559.86,4571.84,{"idx":5620,"utterance_id":5621,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5622,"start_s":5623,"end_s":5624,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},848,"213216","El progresismo no va a desaparecer.",4572.56,4579.32,{"idx":5626,"utterance_id":5627,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5628,"start_s":5629,"end_s":5630,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},849,"213217","Las fuerzas progresistas son las que empujan la historia hacia el lado correcto, de más respeto, de más tolerancia, de derechos, de dignidad.",4580.84,4582.38,{"idx":5632,"utterance_id":5633,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5634,"start_s":5635,"end_s":5636,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},850,"213218","Eso no va a acabar.",4582.98,4592.9,{"idx":5638,"utterance_id":5639,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5640,"start_s":5641,"end_s":5642,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},851,"213219","Es una disputa interminable.",4593.36,4594.08,{"idx":5644,"utterance_id":5645,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5646,"start_s":5647,"end_s":5648,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},852,"213220","La historia de la humanidad es la historia de estas jornadas en que uno va expandiendo",4594.18,4595.54,{"idx":5650,"utterance_id":5651,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5652,"start_s":5653,"end_s":5654,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},853,"213221","el horizonte de las personas.",4595.68,4601.1,{"idx":5656,"utterance_id":5657,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5658,"start_s":5659,"end_s":5660,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},854,"213222","Estábamos discutiendo el año pasado, el ejemplo de imponer renta, este año estamos discutiendo el fin de la jornada 6x1, aparecerán otras demandas sociales con la inteligencia artificial, con todo lo que está pasando.",4601.6,4602.84,{"idx":5662,"utterance_id":5663,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5664,"start_s":5665,"end_s":5666,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":5667,"target_proposition":5668,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":5669,"indexable":74},855,"213223","No va a acabar.",4603.3,4617.24,"33348d8b-c2b9-4e87-8cf0-316bc253042b","debatir políticas como renta básica y revisión de jornadas laborales","enumera temas en discusión sin defensa explícita de su implementación.",{"idx":5671,"utterance_id":5672,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5673,"start_s":5674,"end_s":5675,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},856,"213224","Es una disputa bonita incluso, porque la victoria siempre está a favor del progreso.",4617.74,4618.58,{"idx":5677,"utterance_id":5678,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5679,"start_s":5680,"end_s":5681,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},857,"213225","Ahora, hay reveses.",4619.36,4626.16,{"idx":5683,"utterance_id":5684,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5685,"start_s":5686,"end_s":5687,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},858,"213226","Estamos sufriendo, Occidente está sufriendo un gran revés.",4626.38,4627.48,{"idx":5689,"utterance_id":5690,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5691,"start_s":5692,"end_s":5693,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5694,"topic_label":5695,"target_id":5696,"target_proposition":5697,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5698,"indexable":74},859,"213227","Un gran revés.",4627.6,4630.92,"politica-internacional","Política Internacional","43d3386d-b04c-4c66-878f-1512e761eafe","formular respuesta a la competencia económica y geopolítica de Asia","analiza el revés de Occidente y el crecimiento asiático sin proponer una política específica.",{"idx":5700,"utterance_id":5701,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5702,"start_s":5703,"end_s":5704,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},860,"213228","Occidente está en una situación difícil.",4631.58,4632.58,{"idx":5706,"utterance_id":5707,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5708,"start_s":5709,"end_s":5710,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},861,"213229","Está enfrentando la competencia de un continente extraordinario, que es Asia, que surgió hace 40, 50 años de forma espléndida.",4633.18,4635.68,{"idx":5712,"utterance_id":5713,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5714,"start_s":5715,"end_s":5716,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},862,"213230","Comenzó con Japón, Corea, Taiwán, Hong Kong.",4636.1,4645.58,{"idx":5718,"utterance_id":5719,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5720,"start_s":5721,"end_s":5722,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},863,"213231","Mira lo que sucedió en ese continente.",4645.64,4648.64,{"idx":5724,"utterance_id":5725,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5726,"start_s":5727,"end_s":5728,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},864,"213232","Miren lo que pasó en ese continente.",4648.8,4650.52,{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5732,"start_s":5733,"end_s":5734,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},865,"213233","Es algo extraordinario.",4650.54,4652.3,{"idx":5736,"utterance_id":5737,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5738,"start_s":5739,"end_s":5740,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},866,"213234","Y es un desafío enorme.",4652.8,4654,{"idx":5742,"utterance_id":5743,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5744,"start_s":5745,"end_s":5746,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},867,"213235","Occidente lo está sintiendo.",4654.02,4655.34,{"idx":5748,"utterance_id":5749,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5750,"start_s":5751,"end_s":5752,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":5753,"topic_label":5754,"target_id":5755,"target_proposition":5756,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5757,"indexable":74},868,"213236","Y esa debilitación del Occidente, ese debilitamiento del Occidente, está generando esas patologías, ese extremismo, esa intolerancia, ese discurso ridículo, ese comportamiento en redes sociales que no produce nada bueno para la humanidad.",4656.28,4672.34,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Política exterior y diplomacia","16173d42-8483-42cf-866f-86f8d89aaf8c","fortalecer instituciones democráticas en Occidente","describe el debilitamiento de Occidente sin proponer una solución concreta.",{"idx":5759,"utterance_id":5760,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5761,"start_s":5762,"end_s":5763,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},869,"213237","Estamos sufriendo; estamos pasando por un desafío muy grande.",4672.96,4676.04,{"idx":5765,"utterance_id":5766,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5767,"start_s":5768,"end_s":5769,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},870,"213238","Pero no podemos dejarnos abatir, puede estar seguro.",4676.54,4680.06,{"idx":5771,"utterance_id":5772,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5773,"start_s":5774,"end_s":5775,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},871,"213239","En 2018, cuando perdí las elecciones ante Bolsonaro, lo cual fue considerada una de las mayores tragedias desde el punto de vista político —no mi derrota, su victoria—.",4680.52,4688.26,{"idx":5777,"utterance_id":5778,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5779,"start_s":5780,"end_s":5781,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},872,"213240","¿Qué es eso?",4689.24,4690.34,{"idx":5783,"utterance_id":5784,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5785,"start_s":5786,"end_s":5787,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},873,"213241","Un tipo que nunca contribuyó con nada en el país.",4691.12,4694.32,{"idx":5789,"utterance_id":5790,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5791,"start_s":5792,"end_s":5793,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":5794,"target_proposition":5795,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5796,"indexable":257},874,"213242","Llegando a la presidencia sin equipo, sin proyecto, sin discurso, sin nada.",4696.28,4701.12,"635316d6-50f5-4fff-ab8a-05f6371d9268","formar equipo de gobierno con proyecto y programa","critica la ausencia de equipo y de proyecto; defiende formar un gobierno estructurado.",{"idx":5798,"utterance_id":5799,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5800,"start_s":5801,"end_s":5802,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":5803,"target_proposition":5804,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":5805,"indexable":257},875,"213243","Produjo la mayor tragedia sanitaria del país y tal.",4702.54,4705.32,"667cb9c0-a508-4b91-b66b-68fe803d8a71","adoptar medidas restrictivas eficaces como en El Salvador","critica 'maior tragédia sanitária' causada por otro gobierno, defendiendo una respuesta pública eficaz.",{"idx":5807,"utterance_id":5808,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5809,"start_s":5810,"end_s":5811,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},876,"213244","La gente me pidió, el día de su victoria, un discurso.",4706.94,4711.34,{"idx":5813,"utterance_id":5814,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5815,"start_s":5816,"end_s":5817,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},877,"213245","Yo dije: mira, esto no va a acabar, gente.",4711.74,4713.42,{"idx":5819,"utterance_id":5820,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5821,"start_s":5822,"end_s":5823,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},878,"213246","Nadie va a salir del país, nadie va a abandonar esto.",4713.46,4715.98,{"idx":5825,"utterance_id":5826,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5827,"start_s":5828,"end_s":5829,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":5830,"topic_label":5831,"target_id":5832,"target_proposition":5833,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5834,"indexable":257},879,"213247","Vamos a estar en la pelea aquí por ustedes.",4716.46,4718.24,"filiacao-partidaria","Afiliación Partidaria","ec85efa2-816f-4cef-a11e-df25f7f9e444","mantener la movilización política y la oposición al gobierno","promete 'estar na briga', compromiso explícito con movilización y oposición.",{"idx":5836,"utterance_id":5837,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5838,"start_s":5839,"end_s":5840,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},880,"213248","Y recuerdo la cantidad de personas que se sensibilizaron con esas palabras porque tenían miedo.",4719.42,4725.2,{"idx":5842,"utterance_id":5843,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5844,"start_s":5845,"end_s":5846,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},881,"213249","Entonces, pase lo que pase, esta disputa es eterna.",4725.98,4730.96,{"idx":5848,"utterance_id":5849,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5850,"start_s":5851,"end_s":5852,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},882,"213250","Porque, ¿qué es la humanidad?",4731.04,4732.7,{"idx":5854,"utterance_id":5855,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5856,"start_s":5857,"end_s":5858,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},883,"213251","¿Qué esperamos de 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