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invitar a Marcelo Mazeta para la propuesta sobre la seguridad alimentaria.",0.3,10.28,12,false,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1,"165140","Invitar también a la mesa a Mariana, representando a la Rede Sustentabilidade.",16.56,24.48,11,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":69,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},2,"165141","Lucas Ciola, representante del Partido Verde.",30.54,34.24,7,{"idx":90,"utterance_id":91,"speaker_name":69,"text":92,"start_s":93,"end_s":94,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},3,"165142","Invitar, ¿falta alguien más aquí?, a André Alexandre.",41.76,46.3,8,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":69,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},4,"165143","Presidente estatal de la ONU Negro y representante del tercer 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la juventud, y ayer se suicidó, y creo que vale la pena que guardemos un minuto de silencio, de solidaridad con él.",125.02,165.34,40,{"idx":127,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":69,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},9,"165148","Compañero Alberto Barna, presente.",215.9,231.72,{"idx":4,"utterance_id":133,"speaker_name":69,"text":134,"start_s":135,"end_s":136,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"165149","Bueno, colegas, vamos a dar inicio a nuestros trabajos.",231.78,241.92,{"idx":81,"utterance_id":138,"speaker_name":69,"text":139,"start_s":140,"end_s":141,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},"165150","Este seminario es muy importante porque trata de dos cuestiones importantes para nosotros, toda la cuestión social, los derechos sociales aquí en nuestro Estado, las políticas de combate al hambre.",242.78,259.96,31,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":144,"speaker_name":69,"text":145,"start_s":146,"end_s":147,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},"165151","las políticas que necesitan alcanzar a las poblaciones, las poblaciones que viven al margen, siempre viviendo al margen, y las políticas que necesitan ser creadas, políticas públicas de asistencia, como derecho, no como favor, las políticas que puedan garantizar la dignidad de la persona humana.",260.4,280.38,42,{"idx":150,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":69,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},13,"165152","São Paulo es un Estado con condiciones para hacer eso, con más condiciones que los demás.",280.9,287.1,16,{"idx":157,"utterance_id":158,"speaker_name":69,"text":159,"start_s":160,"end_s":161,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},14,"165153","Eso se debe, por un lado, al hecho de ser el Estado más rico del país, de ser el Estado con el mayor PIB del país, un tercio del PIB nacional, pero aún concentra una franja de pobreza muy grande y muchas, miles y millones de personas todavía 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comprensión, otro compromiso.",392.18,396.12,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":210,"speaker_name":69,"text":211,"start_s":212,"end_s":213,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},"165162","Interesante, hasta comentaba que escuché una frase muy interesante, que es una propuesta intencional de seguridad social.",396.96,406.84,{"idx":215,"utterance_id":216,"speaker_name":69,"text":217,"start_s":218,"end_s":219,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},24,"165163","Esa intención fundamental es realmente una intención de inclusión.",407.96,415.36,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":221,"speaker_name":69,"text":222,"start_s":223,"end_s":224,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"165164","Fernando se ha dedicado mucho a una dimensión filosófica fantástica.",415.9,420.42,{"idx":9,"utterance_id":226,"speaker_name":69,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":229,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},"165165","Y creo que eso es una buena preparación para lo que vamos a discutir aquí.",421.6,426.74,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":69,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},27,"165166","A Emílio, muchas gracias.",426.76,428.38,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":237,"speaker_name":69,"text":238,"start_s":239,"end_s":240,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},"165167","Y también a todos aquí, los miembros de la mesa, donde destacamos a Tereza Campos.",429.36,436.44,{"idx":242,"utterance_id":243,"speaker_name":69,"text":244,"start_s":245,"end_s":246,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},29,"165168","Y los compañeros de trabajo, Marcelo.",437.32,440.18,{"idx":119,"utterance_id":248,"speaker_name":69,"text":249,"start_s":250,"end_s":251,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"165169","Tuvimos un trabajo intenso entre el CISAM y el SUS.",441.44,445.76,{"idx":142,"utterance_id":253,"speaker_name":69,"text":254,"start_s":255,"end_s":256,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},"165170","Aquí vamos a presentarles un 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colectivos.",471.48,477.14,{"idx":280,"utterance_id":281,"speaker_name":69,"text":282,"start_s":283,"end_s":284,"word_count":285,"indexable":74},36,"165175","colectivos de los trabajadores de la propia Secretaría de Desarrollo Social del Estado de São Paulo, con los trabajadores del SUAS, con todo un conjunto de investigadores, donde el NEPSA tuvo una configuración especial, y también con los dirigentes municipales que están afinados con esta propuesta.",477.72,505.82,44,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":69,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},37,"165176","Entonces, quiero empezar aquí diciendo, para que quede muy claro a todos nosotros, que ni el SUAS ni el CISAM son parte de la gobernanza del Estado de São Paulo.",506.28,518.72,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":294,"speaker_name":69,"text":295,"start_s":296,"end_s":297,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},38,"165177","Creo que esa es la primera afirmación y la primera necesidad de conquista.",519.26,524.36,{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":69,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},39,"165178","Nosotros, SUAS y CISAM, no tenemos identidad en el gobierno.",524.86,529.66,{"idx":125,"utterance_id":305,"speaker_name":69,"text":306,"start_s":307,"end_s":308,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},"165179","Entramos por la puerta de atrás, si es que entramos, deberían haberse quedado parados allí, y esto creo que realmente lo tenemos que mostrar aquí.",530.32,541.1,{"idx":310,"utterance_id":311,"speaker_name":69,"text":312,"start_s":313,"end_s":314,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},41,"165180","Una fuerza muy grande, una fuerza de lucha para que esto cambie en São Paulo.",541.98,547.92,{"idx":148,"utterance_id":316,"speaker_name":69,"text":317,"start_s":318,"end_s":319,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},"165181","Que São Paulo deje de ser uno de los tres estados del país que no tenga la regulación del SUS.",548.2,555.22,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":69,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},43,"165182","São Paulo.",557.12,557.54,{"idx":285,"utterance_id":327,"speaker_name":69,"text":328,"start_s":329,"end_s":330,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},"165183","Y luego también vamos, claro que rápidamente, a decir que es indecente, disculpen el término, pero no tengo otro en este momento, el presupuesto que tiene el área social.",558.54,572.12,{"idx":332,"utterance_id":333,"speaker_name":69,"text":334,"start_s":335,"end_s":336,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},45,"165184","Esto es tan grave que no tenemos ningún pudor en decir que el agravamiento de la miseria, el agravamiento del hambre, se debe también a la ausencia de acción social del Estado del Sector.",572.78,584.88,{"idx":338,"utterance_id":339,"speaker_name":69,"text":340,"start_s":341,"end_s":342,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},46,"165185","Creo que esa es una cuestión importante.",584.9,587.22,{"idx":344,"utterance_id":345,"speaker_name":69,"text":346,"start_s":347,"end_s":348,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},47,"165186","No hay sonido.",587.24,588.88,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":350,"speaker_name":69,"text":351,"start_s":352,"end_s":353,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"165187","No, no está sin sonido, es que lo apagué.",590.4,591.8,{"idx":355,"utterance_id":356,"speaker_name":69,"text":357,"start_s":358,"end_s":359,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},49,"165188","Es que estamos teniendo transmisión, hay mucha gente afuera que está aquí prestigiando la actividad.",593.24,598.82,{"idx":361,"utterance_id":362,"speaker_name":69,"text":363,"start_s":364,"end_s":365,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},50,"165189","No, pero creo que esto es muy fuerte, efectivamente, ese desprecio por lo social, o bien una consideración de que el área social no tiene continuidad.",599.16,612.74,{"idx":367,"utterance_id":368,"speaker_name":69,"text":369,"start_s":370,"end_s":371,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},51,"165190","Que puede ser casi un parque de recreo para gobernantes, en el que cada uno hace una cosa u otra, pero que en realidad no garantizan permanencia ni derechos del ciudadano.",613.2,624.42,{"idx":373,"utterance_id":374,"speaker_name":69,"text":375,"start_s":376,"end_s":377,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},52,"165191","Y la protección social es poder contar con ello, es tener certezas sobre ello.",625.38,629.68,{"idx":379,"utterance_id":380,"speaker_name":69,"text":381,"start_s":382,"end_s":383,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},53,"165192","No hay manera.",630.24,631.1,{"idx":385,"utterance_id":386,"speaker_name":69,"text":387,"start_s":388,"end_s":389,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},54,"165193","Nosotros que trabajamos con protecciones sociales en el SUS y en el CISAM, no tenemos garantías de continuidad y presencia.",633.04,642.06,{"idx":391,"utterance_id":392,"speaker_name":69,"text":393,"start_s":394,"end_s":395,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},55,"165194","Entonces, para nosotros eso realmente es importante.",642.58,646.04,{"idx":397,"utterance_id":398,"speaker_name":69,"text":399,"start_s":400,"end_s":401,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},56,"165195","Bates ha usado una expresión interesante del proceso revolucionario, que creo que es una revolución que progresa y que creo que esa es realmente nuestra esperanza.",647.24,658.92,{"idx":403,"utterance_id":404,"speaker_name":69,"text":405,"start_s":406,"end_s":407,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},57,"165196","Está dentro de esa perspectiva.",659,661.62,{"idx":409,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":69,"text":411,"start_s":412,"end_s":413,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},58,"165197","Quisiera decir también que el Estado de São Paulo, la práctica del Estado de São Paulo... del gobierno de ese Estado, ha sido la de ignorar sistemas únicos.",662.84,673.64,{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":69,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},59,"165198","Parece que São Paulo aún tiene esa manía de ser el motivo de Brasil, de los bandeirantes, que tiene que tener una palabra desconectada de la unidad del país.",674.28,684.74,{"idx":421,"utterance_id":422,"speaker_name":69,"text":423,"start_s":424,"end_s":425,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},60,"165199","Entonces, nosotros que somos sistemas únicos, hay, en verdad, un desmantelamiento de aquello que está establecido desde el punto de vista nacional para crear algo que dé personalidad o funcionalización a una propuesta y así se desliga el conjunto de la sociedad.",685.54,708.06,{"idx":427,"utterance_id":428,"speaker_name":69,"text":429,"start_s":430,"end_s":431,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},61,"165200","Entonces, diría lo siguiente: tenemos realmente una enorme preocupación por frenar esa fuga de garantías que se instaló aquí en São Paulo.",708.62,720.86,{"idx":433,"utterance_id":434,"speaker_name":69,"text":435,"start_s":436,"end_s":437,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},62,"165201","Más aún, es esa distribución.",721.62,725.06,{"idx":439,"utterance_id":440,"speaker_name":69,"text":441,"start_s":442,"end_s":443,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},63,"165202","Las actividades están de un lado para otro, no tienen unidad.",725.64,729.96,{"idx":445,"utterance_id":446,"speaker_name":69,"text":447,"start_s":448,"end_s":449,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},64,"165203","Van al Palacio de Gobierno, van a la Secretaría A, a la Secretaría B, no hay unidad.",730.34,735.66,{"idx":451,"utterance_id":452,"speaker_name":69,"text":453,"start_s":454,"end_s":455,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},65,"165204","No se comunican.",736.16,737.14,{"idx":457,"utterance_id":458,"speaker_name":69,"text":459,"start_s":460,"end_s":461,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},66,"165205","La agricultura no se comunica y aquí nosotros tampoco tenemos eso.",737.44,742.06,{"idx":463,"utterance_id":464,"speaker_name":69,"text":465,"start_s":466,"end_s":467,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},67,"165206","Además, no lo tenemos.",742.12,744.08,{"idx":469,"utterance_id":470,"speaker_name":69,"text":471,"start_s":472,"end_s":473,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},68,"165207","Esa es una voluntad del país.",744.54,746.8,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":476,"speaker_name":69,"text":477,"start_s":478,"end_s":479,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},69,"165208","No tenemos unidad en la prestación de servicios de las diferentes políticas.",747.38,753.92,{"idx":481,"utterance_id":482,"speaker_name":69,"text":483,"start_s":484,"end_s":485,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},70,"165209","Entonces, la intersectorialidad es una base fundamental.",754.48,758.58,{"idx":487,"utterance_id":488,"speaker_name":69,"text":489,"start_s":490,"end_s":491,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},71,"165210","No entendemos ni vamos aquí a proponer un corporativismo de defensa de A o de B, sino la necesidad de tener realmente una intersectorialidad, una complementariedad.",759.22,772.48,{"idx":493,"utterance_id":494,"speaker_name":69,"text":495,"start_s":496,"end_s":497,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},72,"165211","Así es como entendemos que podremos dar una respuesta a la población con otro nivel de calidad.",772.96,780.5,{"idx":499,"utterance_id":500,"speaker_name":69,"text":501,"start_s":502,"end_s":503,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},73,"165212","Pensando en esa unidad nacional, Montoro, cuando gobernó São Paulo, y fue realmente antes de la Constitución Federal, y por tanto antes de las legislaciones que estamos discutiendo aquí, Montoro creó algo que todavía es un bicho de siete cabezas, que es el Fondo de Solidaridad.",782.04,805.76,{"idx":505,"utterance_id":506,"speaker_name":69,"text":507,"start_s":508,"end_s":509,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},74,"165213","Dividiendo el mando, tenemos un decreto aquí en São Paulo, estoy hablando con lo que tienen prueba aquí los funcionarios de la Secretaría.",806.38,815.92,{"idx":511,"utterance_id":512,"speaker_name":69,"text":513,"start_s":514,"end_s":515,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},75,"165214","Quiero decir, haciendo división, no la unidad de un sistema único, sino la división, la canasta básica del CISAM, un poco en el Palacio, un poco allí, otra allá.",816.42,826.72,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":69,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},76,"165215","Es decir, esto tiene que acabar.",827.12,828.88,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":69,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},77,"165216","Necesitamos efectivamente una unidad.",829.48,832.68,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":69,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},78,"165217","Faltan dos minutos.",832.74,833.76,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":69,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},79,"165218","Voy a intentar... ¿Concluido, cierto?",833.84,836.24,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":69,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},80,"165219","Pero no son dos minutos para las conquistas, es solo para hablar, ¿cierto?",836.72,839.84,{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":69,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},81,"165220","Entonces, lo que realmente quería abordar aquí es que entendemos que tenemos que, por así decirlo, fortalecer la gestión regional del Estado de São Paulo.",840.62,854.4,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":69,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},82,"165221","Tenemos en el Estado de São Paulo 26 trades, divisiones regionales.",855.08,859.46,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":69,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},83,"165222","Después Marcelo va a hablar, también el CISAM tiene una inserción regional.",860,864.06,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":69,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},84,"165223","pero están completamente desprovistas de condiciones, desprovistas de reconocimiento.",864.62,871.04,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":69,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},85,"165224","Queremos proponer más, queremos que tengan territorios efectivamente de protección social, donde este conjunto de servicios, entonces, se encuentre.",871.76,883.68,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":69,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},86,"165225","Concluyendo, entonces, nosotros, en conjunto, buscamos institucionalización, buscamos identidad en la gobernanza.",884.34,895.6,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":69,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},87,"165226","y esa identidad, vea, no termina solo en quienes son los trabajadores, sino también con la presencia de los consejos y las instancias de control social, que fueron todas acalladas.",896.32,912.98,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":69,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},88,"165227","Luego, realmente queremos la intersectorialidad, queremos la gestión territorial, la calificación, y creo que una de las cuestiones que llama mucho la atención es la búsqueda de que tengamos, digamos, programas de integralidad que puedan frenar la corrupción, que puedan frenar el castigo a los trabajadores.",914.1,939.58,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":69,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},89,"165228","Entonces tenemos casos en las sedes, que son terribles, de empleados que realmente entraron en burnout, que fueron apartados.",940.26,950.54,{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":69,"text":603,"start_s":604,"end_s":605,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},90,"165229","por persecución política.",950.88,952.26,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":608,"speaker_name":69,"text":609,"start_s":610,"end_s":611,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},91,"165230","Entonces, eso no puede haber.",952.82,955.04,{"idx":613,"utterance_id":614,"speaker_name":69,"text":615,"start_s":616,"end_s":617,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},92,"165231","Y ahí no dije esta cuestión principal, que es el hecho de que las sedes tienen este nombre, que quizá ni siquiera es el más adecuado, Secretaría de Desarrollo Social, no estamos discutiendo un desarrollismo en un sentido anterior, estamos discutiendo derechos de seguridad.",955.24,975.34,{"idx":619,"utterance_id":620,"speaker_name":69,"text":621,"start_s":622,"end_s":623,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},93,"165232","Creo que esa es nuestra cuestión clave y principal.",980.24,984.38,{"idx":625,"utterance_id":626,"speaker_name":69,"text":627,"start_s":628,"end_s":629,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},94,"165233","Y hay en las series un agregado de la leche ligera y del buen plato y el otro agregado de trabajo con la droga de sangre.",985.04,996.62,{"idx":631,"utterance_id":632,"speaker_name":69,"text":633,"start_s":634,"end_s":635,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},95,"165234","Y son agregados que no conversan, que no tienen interrelación.",996.64,1000.82,{"idx":637,"utterance_id":638,"speaker_name":69,"text":639,"start_s":640,"end_s":641,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},96,"165235","Entonces, pasamos de esa reestructuración de series y también pienso que aquí estamos, digamos, entendiendo.",1001.52,1012.18,{"idx":643,"utterance_id":644,"speaker_name":69,"text":645,"start_s":646,"end_s":647,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},97,"165236","Que los municipios, creo que eso el Estado no lo hace.",1012.62,1015.9,{"idx":649,"utterance_id":650,"speaker_name":69,"text":651,"start_s":652,"end_s":653,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},98,"165237","Tenemos en todo el Estado 645 municipios, y 521 son de porte 1 y 2.",1016.8,1024.84,{"idx":655,"utterance_id":656,"speaker_name":69,"text":657,"start_s":658,"end_s":659,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},99,"165238","Y cada uno estaba, la gobernanza del Estado, supliendo las necesidades en esos municipios pequeños.",1024.88,1032.56,{"idx":661,"utterance_id":662,"speaker_name":69,"text":663,"start_s":664,"end_s":665,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},100,"165239","Eso no se hace.",1032.8,1033.7,{"idx":667,"utterance_id":668,"speaker_name":69,"text":669,"start_s":670,"end_s":671,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},101,"165240","No se hace.",1034.38,1034.88,{"idx":673,"utterance_id":674,"speaker_name":69,"text":675,"start_s":676,"end_s":677,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},102,"165241","Por eso estamos insistiendo en una gobernanza realmente regional, y una gobernanza en asociación con las organizaciones; también tenemos aquí la presencia de varias, donde necesitamos, en nuestro caso, desarrollar el vínculo con el SUS, siendo ellas partes de la política y no unidades aisladas.",1035.52,1057.9,{"idx":679,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":69,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},103,"165242","Sino construir efectivamente una unidad.",1058.22,1061.54,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":69,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},104,"165243","Eso es.",1062.14,1062.54,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":69,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},105,"165244","Contra la Caristia, también el chico del tercero B. Damir Algarra, precandidato a diputado estatal del PT.",1063.6,1084.78,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":69,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},106,"165245","Eduardo Aécio Ribeiro, presidente del PT de São Paulo.",1084.8,1087.46,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":704,"speaker_name":69,"text":705,"start_s":706,"end_s":707,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},107,"165246","Gracias, Aécio.",1087.48,1088.6,{"idx":709,"utterance_id":710,"speaker_name":69,"text":711,"start_s":712,"end_s":713,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},108,"165247","Romildo Campello, del Partido Verde.",1088.88,1091.7,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":716,"speaker_name":69,"text":717,"start_s":718,"end_s":719,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},109,"165248","Marcos Martins, portavoz de la Rede en São Paulo, municipal.",1092.18,1096.94,{"idx":721,"utterance_id":722,"speaker_name":69,"text":723,"start_s":724,"end_s":725,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},110,"165249","Josi, ejecutivos públicos.",1098.78,1101.12,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":728,"speaker_name":69,"text":729,"start_s":730,"end_s":731,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},111,"165250","Y el Gegê, del Movimiento de Vivienda.",1101.18,1103.5,{"idx":733,"utterance_id":734,"speaker_name":69,"text":735,"start_s":736,"end_s":737,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},112,"165251","También presente nuestro Ariel de Castro.",1104.06,1106.7,{"idx":739,"utterance_id":740,"speaker_name":69,"text":741,"start_s":742,"end_s":743,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},113,"165252","Hace tanto tiempo militante de esta causa.",1107.42,1110.44,{"idx":745,"utterance_id":746,"speaker_name":69,"text":747,"start_s":748,"end_s":749,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},114,"165253","y Brasil.",1110.54,1111.6,{"idx":751,"utterance_id":752,"speaker_name":69,"text":753,"start_s":754,"end_s":755,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},115,"165254","Ariel está allá atrás.",1111.62,1112.54,{"idx":757,"utterance_id":758,"speaker_name":69,"text":759,"start_s":760,"end_s":761,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},116,"165255","Es grande, ¿no?",1113.44,1114.38,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":764,"speaker_name":69,"text":765,"start_s":766,"end_s":767,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},117,"165256","Está acompañado.",1114.48,1115.14,{"idx":769,"utterance_id":770,"speaker_name":69,"text":771,"start_s":772,"end_s":773,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},118,"165257","Quisiera también recordar que nuestro seminario es el último seminario de nuestra preparación del programa de gobierno y se está transmitiendo en vivo en las redes sociales de Fernando Haddad.",1120.68,1132.86,{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":69,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},119,"165258","Aprovecho para saludar a todos los internautas.",1132.88,1136.36,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":69,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},120,"165259","Entonces, por 10 minutos, nuestro querido coordinador, mejor dicho, del Sectorial de Seguridad Alimentaria y Nutricional del PT del Estado de São Paulo.",1137.68,1154.36,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":69,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},121,"165260","Entonces, por 10 minutos, Marcelo.",1154.9,1156.9,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":69,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},122,"165261","Gracias, diputado Emílio.",1159.16,1161.4,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":69,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},123,"165262","y coordinador del gobierno del profesor Fernando Batardi.",1161.44,1165.1,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":69,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},124,"165263","La persona a quien saludo en esta mesa: tuvimos la oportunidad de implementar la política de seguridad alimentaria en la gestión del alcalde Haddad, de 2013 a 2016, en la capital.",1165.98,1179.08,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":812,"speaker_name":69,"text":813,"start_s":814,"end_s":815,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},125,"165264","Y sé que tenemos algunos puntos, algunos legados, inclusive, de ese intento, para que puedan también ser trabajados en la implementación efectiva de la política de seguridad alimentaria y nutricional en el Estado de São Paulo.",1179.76,1196.62,{"idx":817,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":69,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},126,"165265","Quisiera agradecer también la presencia de todos los... representantes de gobiernos sociales, instituciones e investigadoras e investigadores que han actuado firmemente en esta temática y han contribuido en la construcción de las propuestas.",1196.92,1214.96,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":69,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},127,"165266","El colectivo de seguridad alimentaria también tiene la representatividad de ese colectivo.",1215.2,1220.92,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":69,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":397,"indexable":74},128,"165267","Agradecer también a los representantes de las alcaldías petistas que han dado un ejemplo, contrapeso incluso a todo esto que el Estado de São Paulo... ha hecho en la desconstrucción de la política de seguridad alimentaria: la gestión de Araraquara, del alcalde Edinho; la gestión de Mauá, del alcalde Marcelo; la gestión del alcalde Felipe, de Diadema, y Matão también.",1221.46,1245.26,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":69,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},129,"165268","Estas referencias acaban también, inclusive, iluminando y ayudando a estimular para que municipios desamparados por el Estado puedan crear su propia política pública municipal.",1245.64,1257.5,{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":69,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},130,"165269","El alcalde Haddad creó, implementó e institucionalizó la Política de Seguridad Alimentaria y Nutricional en la Alcaldía de São Paulo.",1259.1,1268.98,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":69,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},131,"165270","Creó el programa Quinta da Economia, por R$ 2,99 el kilo de 20 productos que se comercializaban en sacolões y mercados municipales.",1269.46,1279.6,{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":69,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},132,"165271","Ejecutó por primera vez en la historia el programa de adquisición de alimentos del gobierno federal, R$ 3,2 millones,",1281.4,1287.58,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":69,"text":861,"start_s":862,"end_s":863,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},133,"165272","atendiendo a cerca de 600 agricultores del estado de São Paulo, y con una logística enorme para hacer llegar esos alimentos a alrededor de 500 mil personas aquí en la capital, de modo descentralizado.",1289.38,1304.28,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":865,"speaker_name":69,"text":866,"start_s":867,"end_s":868,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},"165273","Creó la red metropolitana de bancos de alimentos, que también permitió que los municipios del Gran São Paulo pudieran usufructuar esa estructura.",1305.12,1316.38,{"idx":870,"utterance_id":871,"speaker_name":69,"text":872,"start_s":873,"end_s":874,"word_count":385,"indexable":74},135,"165274","creó el centro de referencia de seguridad, el primer centro con gestión pública municipal de seguridad alimentaria y nutricional, donde el foco de la educación alimentaria y nutricional fue prioridad, huertas comunitarias y el fomento de la sociedad civil organizada, pero por encima de todo la capacitación y la formación continuada de gestores municipales de las más diversas áreas.",1318.3,1345.08,{"idx":876,"utterance_id":877,"speaker_name":69,"text":878,"start_s":879,"end_s":880,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},136,"165275","venían de medio ambiente, asistencia social y así sucesivamente.",1345.62,1349.18,{"idx":882,"utterance_id":883,"speaker_name":69,"text":884,"start_s":885,"end_s":886,"word_count":421,"indexable":74},137,"165276","Entregó primero el plan municipal de seguridad alimentaria, entregó la patrulla agrícola para la región de Parelheiros, donde más de 300 agricultores familiares pudieron tener la oportunidad de convencerse de que la gestión estaba allí para fomentar la producción para el consumo de alimentos y no para la producción de plantas ornamentales, que era lo que se venía desarrollando allí.",1349.62,1374.38,{"idx":888,"utterance_id":889,"speaker_name":69,"text":890,"start_s":891,"end_s":892,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},138,"165277","en la región de Parelheiros.",1375.7,1376.9,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":894,"speaker_name":69,"text":895,"start_s":896,"end_s":897,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},"165278","Organizó la Cooperabas, que era una de las mayores cooperativas de la región de Parelheiros.",1377.9,1382.92,{"idx":899,"utterance_id":900,"speaker_name":69,"text":901,"start_s":902,"end_s":903,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},140,"165279","Fue premiado en la Fundación Bloomberg, con 5.000 dólares, con toda esa articulación de los Pontos de Lenguas, desarrollando de hecho la intersectorialidad en la gestión.",1383.24,1395.56,{"idx":905,"utterance_id":906,"speaker_name":69,"text":907,"start_s":908,"end_s":909,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},141,"165280","Estudió la participación social por medio del Consejo Comuzã.",1396.22,1399.68,{"idx":911,"utterance_id":912,"speaker_name":69,"text":913,"start_s":914,"end_s":915,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},142,"165281","Comuzã es una referencia de consejo municipal para todo Brasil.",1400.08,1403.58,{"idx":917,"utterance_id":918,"speaker_name":69,"text":919,"start_s":920,"end_s":921,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},143,"165282","representatividad, donde la sociedad civil siempre compuso y colaboró en la elaboración de las políticas públicas a través de la Cámara Intersecretarial, del GT formado por Comusã.",1405.36,1418.74,{"idx":923,"utterance_id":924,"speaker_name":69,"text":925,"start_s":926,"end_s":927,"word_count":451,"indexable":74},144,"165283","junto a la Cámara Intersecretarial de la Gestión, ejecutó cerca del 27% de la adquisición de alimentos de la agricultura familiar y la implementación paulatina de... de la alimentación orgánica, de la alimentación escolar, y eso es un legado que luego se reflejó en otras grandes capitales de Brasil; hizo que São Paulo incluyera gradualmente lo orgánico y creó el Consejo de Desarrollo Rural aquí en el municipio de São Paulo.",1418.9,1452.04,{"idx":929,"utterance_id":930,"speaker_name":69,"text":931,"start_s":932,"end_s":933,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},145,"165284","Hay gente que a veces no tiene la dimensión y la importancia de esta área rural y del estímulo y fomento a la producción.",1452.12,1460.68,{"idx":935,"utterance_id":936,"speaker_name":69,"text":937,"start_s":938,"end_s":939,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},146,"165285","de la agricultura local.",1461.38,1462.64,{"idx":941,"utterance_id":942,"speaker_name":69,"text":943,"start_s":944,"end_s":945,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},147,"165286","Entonces, estos son algunos puntos que fueron importantes en la gestión del alcalde Haddad y que pueden ser, de hecho, fuente de estímulo para esta cuestión.",1462.68,1474.12,{"idx":947,"utterance_id":948,"speaker_name":69,"text":949,"start_s":950,"end_s":951,"word_count":409,"indexable":74},148,"165287","Los 13 puntos que elegimos aquí para el plan de gobierno los voy a decir muy rápidamente, pero orientados por toda la discusión que hicimos con el profesor Aldaís, Abigail y demás colectivos, para poder unificar y buscar algo que, de hecho, provoque la intersectorialidad entre estos dos sistemas, el SUAS y el CISAM.",1474.18,1495.86,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":953,"speaker_name":69,"text":954,"start_s":955,"end_s":956,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},"165288","Entonces, recolocar la superación del hambre y la garantía de la soberanía de seguridad alimentaria y nutricional como una responsabilidad primera del Estado de São Paulo y una prioridad de sus poderes.",1496.44,1509.54,{"idx":958,"utterance_id":959,"speaker_name":69,"text":960,"start_s":961,"end_s":962,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},150,"165289","Retomar y fortalecer la implementación del CISAM, que es el sistema de seguridad alimentaria y nutricional, extremadamente debilitado en estos últimos años.",1510.2,1518.78,{"idx":964,"utterance_id":965,"speaker_name":69,"text":966,"start_s":967,"end_s":968,"word_count":385,"indexable":74},151,"165290","Entonces, retomar ese protagonismo, refundar el Consejo Estatal de Seguridad Alimentaria y Nutricional, juntamente con las comisiones regionales, y ahí puntualizamos, conforme lo plantea la profesora Aldaísa, la autonomía de las regiones, el estímulo al desarrollo regional, hacer que esas regiones, de hecho, puedan desarrollarse, pautadas por una directriz estatal de política pública.",1519.52,1548.78,{"idx":970,"utterance_id":971,"speaker_name":69,"text":972,"start_s":973,"end_s":974,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},152,"165291","de seguridad alimentaria y nutricional.",1549.64,1551.74,{"idx":976,"utterance_id":977,"speaker_name":69,"text":978,"start_s":979,"end_s":980,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},153,"165292","Entonces, fortaleciendo las comisiones regionales y, por encima de todo, la participación y el protagonismo de la sociedad civil por medio de sus instituciones y las alcaldías de esas regiones.",1552.04,1566.18,{"idx":982,"utterance_id":983,"speaker_name":69,"text":984,"start_s":985,"end_s":986,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},154,"165293","Retomar e instituir una CAISAM que funcione, donde los secretarios de Estado puedan participar y, desde allí, sacar directrices y delegarlas a los equipos técnicos.",1566.94,1578.16,{"idx":988,"utterance_id":989,"speaker_name":69,"text":990,"start_s":991,"end_s":992,"word_count":415,"indexable":74},155,"165294","lo que pueda ser desarrollado e implementado en esta agenda de seguridad alimentaria en São Paulo; fomentar y estructurar las redes de equipamientos de soberanía y seguridad alimentaria y nutricional, creando y reactivando, fortaleciendo equipamientos como bancos de alimentos, restaurantes populares, garantizando al menos un buen plato para el municipio de hasta 100.000 habitantes en el estado de São Paulo.",1578.56,1605.94,{"idx":994,"utterance_id":995,"speaker_name":69,"text":996,"start_s":997,"end_s":998,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},156,"165295","Y el Bom Prato también reconfigurándose, ofreciendo el desayuno, el almuerzo, actividades de educación alimentaria y nutricional, porque tenemos una gran concurrencia en esos restaurantes, alcalde, que son personas mayores y personas en situación de calle.",1606.82,1624.62,{"idx":1000,"utterance_id":1001,"speaker_name":69,"text":1002,"start_s":1003,"end_s":1004,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},157,"165296","Entonces, integrar la acción de educación alimentaria y nutricional, junto con los centros pop regionales, en esa línea también.",1625.02,1633.32,{"idx":1006,"utterance_id":1007,"speaker_name":69,"text":1008,"start_s":1009,"end_s":1010,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},158,"165297","reformular el Viva Leite.",1634.52,1636.36,{"idx":1012,"utterance_id":1013,"speaker_name":69,"text":1014,"start_s":1015,"end_s":1016,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},159,"165298","En realidad, la idea es sugerir un programa São Paulo Saludable, incluyendo, en verdad, no solo la leche que hoy es ofrecida por el gobierno del Estado, como moneda de intercambio, inclusive, en la cuestión electoral.",1636.82,1653.28,{"idx":1018,"utterance_id":1019,"speaker_name":69,"text":1020,"start_s":1021,"end_s":1022,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},160,"165299","Mucha gente aquí lo ve en las ciudades del Estado, principalmente las... pequeñas, de fuerte, sabemos que eso se trabaja de esa manera.",1653.32,1665.86,{"idx":1024,"utterance_id":1025,"speaker_name":69,"text":1026,"start_s":1027,"end_s":1028,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},161,"165300","Y es preciso retomar y hacer que el Viva Leite se transforme en São Paulo Saludable, ofertando mucha más proteína, ofreciendo también huevos, hortífrutos, para diversificar la cuestión.",1665.9,1679.58,{"idx":1030,"utterance_id":1031,"speaker_name":69,"text":1032,"start_s":1033,"end_s":1034,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},162,"165301","alimentaria y nutricional de esas familias que reciben los alimentos, aprovechando principalmente la estructura que el programa ya tiene capilarizada en el Estado a través de los municipios.",1680.18,1693.6,{"idx":1036,"utterance_id":1037,"speaker_name":69,"text":1038,"start_s":1039,"end_s":1040,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},163,"165302","Reconformar el presupuesto, la estructura de gestión participativa y control social de los programas, las compras institucionales, integrando con las federales y estatales.",1695.66,1706.64,{"idx":1042,"utterance_id":1043,"speaker_name":69,"text":1044,"start_s":1045,"end_s":1046,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},164,"165303","estatales, además, de la agricultura familiar y campesina, priorizando a las mujeres rurales, pueblos indígenas tradicionales, quilombolas, y la producción agroecológica, con programa de adquisición de alimentos, inclusive estatal, ¿por qué no?",1707.06,1721.64,{"idx":1048,"utterance_id":1049,"speaker_name":69,"text":1050,"start_s":1051,"end_s":1052,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},165,"165304","Abrir una frente con recursos y partida propia, considerando la diversidad de la producción agrícola en el estado de São Paulo.",1722.52,1732.02,{"idx":1054,"utterance_id":1055,"speaker_name":69,"text":1056,"start_s":1057,"end_s":1058,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},166,"165305","La directriz del programa del PNAE, rescatarse de los últimos objetivos, voy a terminar.",1733.1,1740.14,{"idx":1060,"utterance_id":1061,"speaker_name":69,"text":1062,"start_s":1063,"end_s":1064,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},167,"165306","Garantizar el acceso a la alimentación adecuada, principalmente a los escolares.",1740.24,1743.78,{"idx":1066,"utterance_id":1067,"speaker_name":69,"text":1068,"start_s":1069,"end_s":1070,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},168,"165307","Hoy tenemos un déficit que hemos acompañado, lamentablemente, niños desnutridos.",1743.82,1749.12,{"idx":1072,"utterance_id":1073,"speaker_name":69,"text":1074,"start_s":1075,"end_s":1076,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},169,"165308","No podemos, como Estado de São Paulo, permitir que nuestros niños no tengan el mínimo de alimentación saludable, porque un niño que tiene ese déficit nutricional está desnutrido.",1749.16,1761.9,{"idx":1078,"utterance_id":1079,"speaker_name":69,"text":1080,"start_s":1081,"end_s":1082,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},170,"165309","cognitivamente, tendrá problemas serios de salud que no le permitirán llegar a ser un adulto sano y pleno, lamentablemente.",1762.3,1771.88,{"idx":1084,"utterance_id":1085,"speaker_name":69,"text":1086,"start_s":1087,"end_s":1088,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},171,"165310","Entonces, creo que es papel del Estado, sí, garantizar ese derecho y esa violación es un crimen.",1772.12,1777.58,{"idx":1090,"utterance_id":1091,"speaker_name":69,"text":1092,"start_s":1093,"end_s":1094,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},172,"165311","Entonces, vamos a enfocarnos en esa cuestión.",1778.06,1781.12,{"idx":1096,"utterance_id":1097,"speaker_name":69,"text":1098,"start_s":1099,"end_s":1100,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},173,"165312","Crear un fondo emergencial de combate al hambre en el Estado de São Paulo, gestionado y acompañado por el Consejo Estatal de Seguridad Alimentaria y las comisiones.",1781.46,1790.54,{"idx":1102,"utterance_id":1103,"speaker_name":69,"text":1104,"start_s":1105,"end_s":1106,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},174,"165313","Promover y articular medidas que contribuyan a la transición hacia sistemas alimentarios justos, saludables y resilientes; eso, inclusive, es una meta de los ODS, de la ONU y demás.",1791,1801.98,{"idx":1108,"utterance_id":1109,"speaker_name":69,"text":1110,"start_s":1111,"end_s":1112,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},175,"165314","Ampliar y cualificar la infraestructura de servicios básicos en los territorios rurales: agua, luz, educación, ocio, inclusión digital, estructura de almacenamiento y procesamiento de la producción de alimentos.",1802.86,1815.76,{"idx":1114,"utterance_id":1115,"speaker_name":69,"text":1116,"start_s":1117,"end_s":1118,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},176,"165315","Fomentar la democratización.",1816.32,1817.94,{"idx":1120,"utterance_id":1121,"speaker_name":69,"text":1122,"start_s":1123,"end_s":1124,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},177,"165316","de los sistemas de abastecimiento, inclusive mediante el incentivo a la economía social y solidaria.",1818.32,1824.32,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":69,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"165317","Ya voy hacia la conclusión.",1825.02,1826.44,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":69,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},179,"165318","Apoyando nuevas formas y arreglos regionales, fomentando la política de planificación urbana, como la cultura del derecho a la ciudad, que pone fin a los desiertos alimentarios.",1827.4,1839.84,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":69,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},180,"165319","Por ejemplo, São Paulo tiene 880 ferias libres que funcionan.",1840.3,1844.74,{"idx":1143,"utterance_id":1144,"speaker_name":69,"text":1145,"start_s":1146,"end_s":1147,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},181,"165320","Estaban bajo nuestra gestión en la época.",1844.84,1848.12,{"idx":1149,"utterance_id":1150,"speaker_name":69,"text":1151,"start_s":1152,"end_s":1153,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},182,"165321","Pero, lamentablemente, a veces no logramos alcanzar esos desiertos alimentarios, porque en el llamado los feriantes no mostraban interés por ser regiones vulnerables.",1848.24,1860.98,{"idx":1155,"utterance_id":1156,"speaker_name":69,"text":1157,"start_s":1158,"end_s":1159,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},183,"165322","Hacer del Estado de São Paulo una referencia junto a los municipios en la gestión del cofinanciamiento, adoptar la Guía Alimentaria de la Población como parámetro de calidad para las políticas estatales.",1861.5,1872.12,{"idx":1161,"utterance_id":1162,"speaker_name":69,"text":1163,"start_s":1164,"end_s":1165,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},184,"165323","Movilizar el sistema educativo, ciencia y tecnología e innovación, en una alianza con organizaciones de la sociedad civil, para la creación de centros de referencia regional, con el objetivo de articular e integrar acciones de las políticas sociales, incentivando la garantía y promoción del derecho humano a la alimentación adecuada.",1872.66,1893.72,{"idx":1167,"utterance_id":1168,"speaker_name":69,"text":1169,"start_s":1170,"end_s":1171,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},185,"165324","Gracias.",1922.26,1922.82,{"idx":1173,"utterance_id":1174,"speaker_name":69,"text":1175,"start_s":1176,"end_s":1177,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},186,"165325","de la concejala Juliana Cardoso, concejala de São Paulo y precandidata a diputada federal, de Tiago Storato, entiendo Storato, precandidato a diputado estadual del PT.",1923.44,1937.42,{"idx":1179,"utterance_id":1180,"speaker_name":69,"text":1181,"start_s":1182,"end_s":1183,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},187,"165326","Y ahora, también por 10 minutos, Abigail Silvestre Torres, que es investigadora y también del NEP, del Núcleo Estadual de Políticas Públicas.",1938.36,1949.26,{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":69,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},188,"165327","Buenas noches a todas las personas aquí presentes.",1951.84,1955.46,{"idx":1191,"utterance_id":1192,"speaker_name":69,"text":1193,"start_s":1194,"end_s":1195,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},189,"165328","Buenas noches, buen tiempo, profesor Haddad.",1956.02,1959.34,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":69,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},"165329","Enorme gratitud por esta oportunidad.",1960.56,1962.92,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":69,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},191,"165330","Estoy aquí representando a un amplio colectivo de militantes del Sistema Único de Asistencia Social del Estado de São Paulo, investigadoras e investigadores, trabajadoras y trabajadores, servidores públicos, pero también organizaciones sociales.",1962.98,1980.36,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":69,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},192,"165331","A quienes agradezco la confianza y pido muchas energías para que dejemos aquí nuestro mensaje, nuestra agenda de fortalecimiento de esta política pública.",1980.94,1993.08,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":69,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},193,"165332","Quiero entonces comenzar diciendo que el Sistema Único de Asistencia Social, insuficientemente conocido, es un pacto civilizatorio sin precedentes en la historia del país.",1994.66,2007.22,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":69,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},194,"165333","Es un momento en que el Estado brasileño asume su responsabilidad en el combate a las desigualdades históricas y estructurantes que generaron una sociedad extremadamente verticalizada, asentada en la lógica del privilegio y la meritocracia, en detrimento de la ciudadanía, de la vivencia del derecho, inclusive en el acceso a políticas públicas.",2008.16,2034.84,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":69,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},195,"165334","que por no ser universalizadas también se convierten en privilegios.",2035.18,2038.82,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":69,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},196,"165335","Un momento estratégico para la aprobación del SUS, porque se adopta la lógica de que para vivir la igualdad son necesarias políticas públicas que, sin juicio moral y con respeto, acojan a quienes sufren esa igualdad y producen otras formas de vivir y de estar en la sociedad.",2039.7,2064.04,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1238,"speaker_name":69,"text":1239,"start_s":1240,"end_s":1241,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},"165336","La apuesta del SUAS es que en un país tan desigual y tan intolerante con sus diferencias, combatir las injusticias requiere acción del Estado, requiere protección pública y eso no está en los estantes del mercado.",2064.82,2083.7,{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":69,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},198,"165337","En los fundamentos del SUAS subyace la idea de que cuando hay violación de derechos, no basta ofrecer dinero.",2084.9,2094.02,{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":69,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},199,"165338","Es preciso asumir que hubo una injusticia para la cual corresponde una reparación colectiva.",2094.88,2103.14,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":69,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},200,"165339","Hay muchas hambres en este país y en este Estado tan rico.",2103.96,2108.32,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":69,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},201,"165340","El hambre de alimentos es una de ellas, pero la de dignidad, de respeto, el hambre de paz, son igualmente importantes.",2108.96,2117.64,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":69,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},202,"165341","El patrón de ciudadanía expresado en el SUAS no es de supervivencia.",2118.12,2122.62,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":69,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},203,"165342","Es de igualdad.",2123,2124.54,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":69,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},204,"165343","No se combate el racismo, el feminicidio, la homofobia, la transfobia, sin política pública orientada a la protección de las víctimas de esas prácticas.",2125.64,2137.84,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":69,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},205,"165344","Para asegurar los derechos humanos, no basta responsabilizar a los agresores e indemnizar a las víctimas.",2138.42,2145.18,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":69,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},206,"165345","Es necesario proteger a esas personas, enfrentar los traumas de las violaciones.",2145.7,2152.02,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":69,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},207,"165346","ofrecer oportunidades para vivir otras relaciones, respetar las narrativas, ampliar el lugar de habla, es necesario estar presente, acompañar y no victimizar.",2152.4,2165.34,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":69,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},208,"165347","São Paulo es desigual.",2166.18,2167.6,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":69,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},209,"165348","Y por tener recursos financieros, tecnológicos y científicos para enfrentar la desigualdad, se vuelve aún más perversa, porque evidencia que es una elección por la omisión.",2168.3,2181.28,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":69,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},210,"165349","por el descompromiso.",2181.72,2183.38,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":69,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},211,"165350","Es una elección por fortalecer acciones filantrópicas puntuales, por fortalecer o primeiro danismo, una elección por alimentar a quienes viven de la desigualdad y se valen de ella para su proyección política y mediática.",2183.92,2201.2,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":69,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},212,"165351","Y ante tanta desigualdad, São Paulo deliberadamente decidió no enfrentar un sistema de protección.",2202.48,2211.18,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":69,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},213,"165352","No porque no tuviera recursos para hacerlo.",2211.84,2214.52,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":69,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},214,"165353","Los recursos destinados a esa área, como ya señaló la profesora Aldaíza, no llegan a medio por ciento.",2214.94,2221.34,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":69,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},215,"165354","Es tan poco que es difícil dimensionar la CIF.",2221.6,2224.88,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":69,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},216,"165355","Pero no es solo en el financiamiento donde queda evidente la elección de no tener un sistema público de protección.",2225.78,2233.36,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":69,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},217,"165356","El Estado de São Paulo no tiene servicios estatales de asistencia social.",2233.42,2240.16,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":69,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},218,"165357","No asumió corresponsabilidad en esa área.",2240.98,2243.88,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":69,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},219,"165358","Municipalizó los servicios en la década de los 90, de 1990, y desde entonces, en los últimos 30 años, mantuvo su estructura casi inalterable, independientemente de la agudización de la crisis.",2244.28,2258.32,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":69,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},220,"165359","La sede, organismo gestor de la asistencia social en el Estado, no constituyó históricamente una condición técnica para apoyar a los municipios.",2259.1,2268.16,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":69,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},221,"165360","como define el Pacto Federativo.",2268.66,2270.76,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":69,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},222,"165361","Tanto las metrópolis en su complejidad, que exceden sus fronteras, como los más de 500 pequeños municipios que tienen estructura y capacidad técnica diferente entre sí, demandan ese apoyo del Estado.",2271.46,2285.52,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":69,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},223,"165362","El Estado de São Paulo, sede de las principales instituciones científicas y tecnológicas del país, no tiene producción técnica sobre la desigualdad que señale las unidades de protección y el alcance de su atención.",2286.22,2301.66,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":69,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},224,"165363","No se hace política pública ignorando lo real.",2302.38,2304.84,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":69,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},225,"165364","Queda más evidente el descompromiso con la protección.",2305.32,2308.04,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":69,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":280,"indexable":74},226,"165365","En una mirada sobre los límites del SUAS en el Estado de São Paulo, ese colectivo que aquí represento propone un SUAS del tamaño de São Paulo y con la institucionalidad que una política de Estado debe tener.",2308.84,2323.08,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":69,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},227,"165366","No proponemos programas puntuales, sino el fortalecimiento institucional del SUAS.",2323.8,2331.34,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":69,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},228,"165367","Proponemos respeto a la legislación.",2331.74,2334.2,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1429,"speaker_name":69,"text":1430,"start_s":1431,"end_s":1432,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},"165368","Institucionalizar el SUAS en el Estado de São Paulo significa crear bases legales de sustentación en la estructura del gobierno, para que gradualmente, pero de forma ágil, se haga visible que finalmente se está implantando el SUAS y con ello asumiendo responsabilidades.",2334.94,2355.52,{"idx":1434,"utterance_id":1435,"speaker_name":69,"text":1436,"start_s":1437,"end_s":1438,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},230,"165369","Compromisos y responsabilidades que necesitan ser visibles y públicas para que puedan ser monitoreadas por el control social, que además es otra enorme fragilidad de ambos en São Paulo.",2356.18,2369.24,{"idx":1440,"utterance_id":1441,"speaker_name":69,"text":1442,"start_s":1443,"end_s":1444,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},231,"165370","El Consejo Estatal es casi una extensión de la Secretaría Estatal y no un espacio de diálogo, del debate contradictorio y de decisión colegiada.",2369.78,2379.32,{"idx":1446,"utterance_id":1447,"speaker_name":69,"text":1448,"start_s":1449,"end_s":1450,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},232,"165371","Proponemos también alterar la performance presupuestaria del Fondo Estatal de Asistencia Social, de modo que no solo se amplíen los recursos, sino también y principalmente se los ponga a disposición para fortalecer la atención en los servicios municipales, especialmente agregando más recursos en las regiones más desiguales del Estado, impactadas por inclemencias.",2380.16,2405.94,{"idx":1452,"utterance_id":1453,"speaker_name":69,"text":1454,"start_s":1455,"end_s":1456,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},233,"165372","por la crisis económica y social derivada de la pandemia y por los circuitos de la violencia.",2406.26,2411.32,{"idx":1458,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":69,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},234,"165373","Modificar la performance es también asegurar las fuentes de financiamiento, para garantizar la continuidad y superar la dependencia de enmiendas parlamentarias, que al fin y al cabo, por la ausencia de una lectura de totalidad, terminan por ampliar la desigualdad, pues se destinan a municipios y organizaciones que tienen acceso.",2411.88,2434.68,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":69,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},235,"165374","y capacidad de presión sobre diputados y diputadas.",2435.12,2438.72,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":69,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},236,"165375","No se combaten las inequidades usando el fondo público de forma clientelista.",2439.28,2444.22,{"idx":1476,"utterance_id":1477,"speaker_name":69,"text":1478,"start_s":1479,"end_s":1480,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},237,"165376","Instituir un programa de perfeccionamiento de metas anuales y plurianuales, que tengan en cuenta la sostenibilidad del sistema mediante la implantación de servicios estatales.",2445.08,2457.24,{"idx":1482,"utterance_id":1483,"speaker_name":69,"text":1484,"start_s":1485,"end_s":1486,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},238,"165377","fortalecimiento de los municipales y definición de corresponsabilidad con el gobierno federal en el financiamiento de beneficios.",2457.88,2466.02,{"idx":1488,"utterance_id":1489,"speaker_name":69,"text":1490,"start_s":1491,"end_s":1492,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},239,"165378","Y deben ser regulados, estableciendo criterios que apunten a grupos prioritarios y más impactados por la pandemia, para que de forma progresiva alcancemos la universalidad.",2466.46,2480.58,{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":69,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},240,"165379","No permitiendo selectividad, pruebas de medios y exposición vejatoria de las personas, lo cual, por cierto, es una conducta condenable y ya estaba establecida desde 1993 en la Ley Orgánica de Asistencia Social.",2481.36,2498.46,{"idx":1500,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":69,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},241,"165380","Adoptar una política continua... Aprovecharé para tomar un agua.",2499.6,2505.78,{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":69,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},242,"165381","adoptar una política continua de construcción ascendente y efectiva de educación permanente para los trabajadores y trabajadoras.",2511.32,2521.84,{"idx":1512,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":69,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},243,"165382","Una desigualdad tan compleja como la que vivimos y tan perversa necesita ser enfrentada por equipos especializados, ya sean éstos compuestos por servidores y servidoras públicas o por trabajadores de organizaciones sociales.",2522.5,2538.68,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":69,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},"165383","Es necesario desarrollar tecnologías sociales innovadoras para atender amplios colectivos y para revertir la banalización de la intolerancia hacia la diversidad.",2539.58,2551.94,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":69,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},245,"165384","El apoyo técnico a los municipios es responsabilidad legal del gobierno estatal.",2552.5,2557.66,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":69,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},246,"165385","Sin capacidad técnica instalada, lo que se ve es una inversión.",2558.36,2562.54,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":69,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},247,"165386","Son trabajadores y trabajadoras de la Secretaría Estatal, usufructuando las iniciativas municipales de formación, en un intento personal y solitario de ampliar su conocimiento sobre el sistema para contribuir con otras localidades que no tengan capacidad para financiar el proceso de formación.",2563.06,2582.8,{"idx":1541,"utterance_id":1542,"speaker_name":69,"text":1543,"start_s":1544,"end_s":1545,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},248,"165387","Proponemos también que se instituyan territorios de protección social, de modo de desarrollar planificación descentralizada, articulada y haciendo circular conocimientos y tecnologías sociales entre diferentes campos de políticas públicas.",2583.62,2601.62,{"idx":1547,"utterance_id":1548,"speaker_name":69,"text":1549,"start_s":1550,"end_s":1551,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},249,"165388","La fragmentación desperdicia recursos y convierte a ciudadanos y ciudadanas en itinerantes dentro de los sectores, sin certeza de atención, especialmente cuando se trata de vivencias más complejas.",2602,2614.68,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":69,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},250,"165389","Por último, queremos decir... que nuestra postura es contribuir para que las responsabilidades legales del gobierno estatal, para la garantía de protección de quien vive violaciones de derechos humanos, sean garantizadas.",2615.3,2631.4,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":69,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},251,"165390","Nuestro entendimiento es que solo es posible respetar a las personas cuando respetamos sus derechos.",2632.02,2639.78,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":69,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},252,"165391","Tener derecho a la asistencia social es una garantía constitucional.",2640.32,2646.66,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":69,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},253,"165392","que queremos ver asegurada en el próximo gobierno del Estado.",2647,2651.24,{"idx":1577,"utterance_id":1578,"speaker_name":69,"text":1579,"start_s":1580,"end_s":1581,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},254,"165393","Muchas gracias por su contribución.",2651.28,2666.08,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":69,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},255,"165394","Quisiera registrar también la presencia de Edson Aparecido da Silva, secretario ejecutivo del Observatório Nacional dos Direitos à Água, do saneamento a ondas.",2668.7,2678.1,{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":69,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},256,"165395","También convoco la presencia de Ana Martins, exdiputada estatal del PCP.",2680.18,2684.3,{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":69,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},257,"165396","Y de Elian Calegaro, que es precandidato a diputado federal del PSD.",2693.26,2697.44,{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":69,"text":1169,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},258,"165397",2698.66,2699.44,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":69,"text":1608,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1610,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},259,"165398","Y ahora vamos a pasar la palabra, entonces, por tres minutos, a nuestra compañera Mariana, de la Rede Sustentabilidade.",2699.96,2708.26,{"idx":1612,"utterance_id":1613,"speaker_name":69,"text":1614,"start_s":1615,"end_s":1616,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},260,"165399","Hola, buenas noches a todos.",2712.4,2713.76,{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":69,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},261,"165400","Es un honor estar aquí en esta mesa.",2714.1,2715.96,{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":69,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},262,"165401","Saludo a todos mis compañeros de mesa, a todos los presentes.",2716.26,2720.92,{"idx":1630,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":69,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},263,"165402","Y saludo en particular a la profesora Daís Esposati.",2721.66,2725.54,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":69,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},264,"165403","Es un honor estar aquí, compartiendo también con usted.",2725.62,2728.32,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":69,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},265,"165404","Quisiera saludar específicamente a mis colegas de lista a diputado estatal que veo aquí, de la Rede Sustentabilidade: Edilson, Tuca.",2729.44,2738.84,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":69,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":415,"indexable":74},266,"165405","Y quería decirles que, en fin, Caio, creo que después de la clase que dimos, en términos de sus... No voy ni a arriesgarme a entrar en ese asunto y me quedaré en el tema principal de la Rede, que es la cuestión de la alimentación y del cambio climático y cómo tenemos que ver estas cuestiones de forma más amplia.",2740.76,2765.54,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":69,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},267,"165406","Uno de cada tres brasileños hoy, según un dato de Datafolha, tiene comida insuficiente en la mesa.",2766.04,2772.64,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":69,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},268,"165407","Esto representa un cuadro de inseguridad alimentaria severa, pero no es el único problema.",2775.5,2782,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":69,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},269,"165408","También tenemos un aumento muy grande de las poblaciones pobres que presentan enfermedades crónicas 10 años antes que la población rica a causa de una situación de inseguridad alimentaria moderada, que es aquella en la que no tenemos acceso al alimento correcto.",2782.4,2801.7,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":69,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},270,"165409","los alimentos ultraprocesados, con exceso de conservantes.",2801.72,2806.68,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":69,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},271,"165410","Esto es fruto de un escenario mundial caótico, de guerra, de pandemia, de emergencia climática, pero, sobre todo, es un escenario de destrucción, fruto de la destrucción de las políticas públicas, principalmente sobre la agricultura familiar, llevada a cabo por este gobierno de muerte, que es el gobierno Bolsonaro.",2807.1,2827,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":69,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},272,"165411","Esto nos deja aún más expuestos.",2827.38,2829.26,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":69,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},273,"165412","a estas cuestiones de crisis mundial.",2829.6,2831.8,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":69,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},274,"165413","El gobierno federal destruyó los recursos del INCRA y así destruyó los programas de manejo sostenible y de autosuficiencia de los productores, desestabilizando los asentamientos y disminuyendo la infraestructura del campo.",2833.1,2848.7,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":69,"text":1704,"start_s":1705,"end_s":1706,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},275,"165414","El gobierno estatal de São Paulo no se quedó atrás, también se fue en la misma línea de transformar todo en una política estereotipada de titulación.",2849.42,2858.34,{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":69,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},276,"165415","Y desmantelando programas que aquí Fernando mencionó tan extensamente, yo incluso me siento cohibida ante los programas de bancos de alimentos y el PRONAF, los programas de educación en el campo.",2859.04,2874.12,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":69,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},277,"165416","La caída de Bolsonaro, estamos tranquilos de que eso se resolverá el año que viene.",2876.98,2885.08,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":69,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},278,"165417","Quedará mucho por hacer en el estado.",2885.64,2888.14,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":69,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},279,"165418","Está descendiendo, exactamente.",2889.06,2891.92,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":69,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},280,"165419","Después es solo la fiesta.",2892.58,2893.72,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":69,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},281,"165420","Y el profesor Fernando queda aquí con la tarea de abordar esta cuestión de usar el paraguas de los cambios climáticos.",2898.92,2905.92,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":69,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},282,"165421","Porque la cuestión de la comida es una cuestión muy impactada.",2906,2911.76,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":69,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},283,"165422","Por el aumento del calentamiento global que va a impactar los cultivos de arroz, de maíz, de alimentos; las sequías frecuentes van a afectar la inseguridad hídrica y sus consecuencias.",2912.2,2930.48,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":69,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},284,"165423","Entonces necesitamos políticas públicas, de cambio climático, de garantizar.",2930.5,2939.32,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":69,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},285,"165424","que tengamos un enfoque en el manejo sostenible, en la agricultura sostenible, en la agroforestería, en las políticas de agroecología.",2939.64,2949.8,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":69,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},286,"165425","Y necesitamos también, más que la producción bruta, la cuestión de los manufacturados y de los artesanales.",2950.24,2957.62,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":69,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},287,"165426","Esto es ingreso para las familias rurales, esto es ingreso para las mujeres.",2958.08,2962.5,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":69,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},288,"165427","No es casualidad que esta mesa tenga más mujeres, porque esta agenda es una agenda femenina.",2962.58,2967.4,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":69,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},289,"165428","Y necesitamos un sistema de fiscalización municipal y estatal orientado al pequeño y al mediano productor.",2967.86,2974.84,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":69,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},290,"165429","Y la diversidad regional que Marcelo mencionó es también diversificación y aumento de ingresos con otras industrias, como el turismo y la gastronomía.",2975.32,2987.7,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":69,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},291,"165430","Entonces, quería llamar la atención sobre estas agendas.",2988.26,2990.76,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":69,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},"165431","Y contamos mucho contigo, creo que sabes hacerlo, ya lo hiciste en São Paulo y tengo la certeza de que lo harás por el Estado de São Paulo.",2991.2,2999.82,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":69,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},293,"165432","Me gustaría también contar con la presencia de Tuca Munhoz, precandidato a diputado estatal por la Rede.",3006.18,3014.06,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":69,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},294,"165433","Tuca.",3016.42,3016.72,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":69,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},295,"165434","De Edivaldo Gonçalves, del Movimento Nacional de Luta em Defesa da População em Situação de Boa.",3017.9,3022.84,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":69,"text":1829,"start_s":1830,"end_s":1831,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},296,"165435","De Gelo, ¿es Gelo?",3023.88,3027.98,{"idx":1833,"utterance_id":1834,"speaker_name":69,"text":1835,"start_s":1836,"end_s":1837,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},297,"165436","Gelo Antônio, secretario de Seguridad Alimentaria.",3028.04,3031.02,{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":69,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},298,"165437","de Diadema, de Marcia Barral, secretaria de Asistencia Social de Diadema, de Frederico Arzola, de la Asociación de Investigadores Científicos del Estado de São Paulo, de Sofia, de Conexão Periferias de la Fundação Pessoa Abramo y de Juliana Borges.",3031.8,3048.8,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":69,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},299,"165438","La palabra ahora para Lucas Ciola, del Partido Verde, por tres minutos.",3050.62,3056.14,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":69,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},300,"165439","Buenas noches mesa, buenas noches radar, es un enorme placer estar una vez más con ustedes.",3062.62,3067.14,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":69,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},301,"165440","Nos encontramos allí en la reunión de los agricultores también.",3067.94,3070.78,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":69,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},302,"165441","Tengo el honor de hablar aquí en nombre del Partido Verde, de representar a mi co-candidata Cláudia Vizzoni, del mandato colectivo Alimenta SP.",3071.84,3082.44,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":69,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},"165442","Es un gran honor para mí protagonizar la nueva federación que se está construyendo del Partido Verde con el PT.",3083.6,3091.54,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":69,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":344,"indexable":74},304,"165443","Un momento histórico donde los ambientalistas pueden... retomar su lugar junto a la clase trabajadora, retomar al PV que dejamos atrás, el PV de Gilberto Gil, el PV del compañero Gabeira, el PV del Cirques, de los ambientalistas de raíces que vinieron aquí después de la amnistía.",3092.42,3115.64,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":69,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},305,"165444","Y quería recordar algunos puntos de convergencia.",3116.58,3122.5,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":69,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},306,"165445","entre el Partido Verde y el PT.",3123.18,3126.86,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":69,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},307,"165446","Y, al final, voy a explicar por qué nuestra candidatura colectiva se llama Alimenta SP.",3127.1,3132.04,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":69,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},308,"165447","Entonces, lo primero, el poder local.",3132.12,3135.86,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":69,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},309,"165448","El Partido Verde siempre ha defendido el poder local y el municipalismo.",3136.08,3139.82,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":69,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},310,"165449","Y es un enorme placer poder retomar esa agenda junto al PT, que construyó el presupuesto participativo, que construyó... Los consejos, que implementó los consejos.",3140.56,3153.82,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":69,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},311,"165450","y que retomemos esos consejos con fuerza, que podamos hacer la gestión regional, tanto del presupuesto como del medio ambiente.",3153.84,3162.04,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":69,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},312,"165451","Eso también es lucha contra el hambre.",3162.72,3164.38,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":69,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},313,"165452","Retomar la agenda de la reforma agraria.",3165.44,3167.7,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":69,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},314,"165453","La reforma agraria es algo que ya se llevó a cabo en Inglaterra, en Francia, en los Estados Unidos.",3167.92,3172.76,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":69,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},315,"165454","Entonces, es hora de volver a hablar de reforma agraria.",3172.98,3176.86,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":69,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},316,"165455","sin ser una exclusividad de la izquierda.",3178.08,3180.44,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":69,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},317,"165456","Esto es de interés para todo el mundo.",3180.56,3182.22,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":69,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},318,"165457","Es importante recordar esto a los electores.",3182.48,3184.72,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":69,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},319,"165458","Profundizar la reforma agraria mediante la agroecología.",3185.64,3189.14,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":69,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},320,"165459","Así que realmente estamos construyendo una propuesta socialista ecológica, de hecho, a favor de la reforma agraria.",3189.54,3196.68,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":69,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},321,"165460","El MST incorporando la agroecología desde 2006 en sus directrices.",3196.7,3200.72,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":69,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},322,"165461","Tenemos ahí otra frente para trabajar juntos.",3200.8,3203.62,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":69,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},323,"165462","La alimentación escolar que avanzó mucho cuando usted fue alcalde, Haddad.",3205,3209.98,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":69,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},324,"165463","Estaremos a su lado apoyando, retomando las compras directas de la agricultura familiar, los editales para los asentamientos, el PAA, la merienda escolar orgánica, consumir alimentos de los agricultores que están próximos para reducir el costo de logística, estructurar a los pequeños agricultores, retomar la CATE y el ITESP.",3210.08,3233.6,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":69,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},325,"165464","en plenas funciones de asistencia técnica.",3233.9,3236.34,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":69,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},326,"165465","Estamos en un momento muy delicado, directores y profesores se están arriesgando, tomando la alimentación almacenada que está próxima a vencer y distribuyéndola a las familias alrededor de las escuelas.",3238.44,3249.4,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":69,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},327,"165466","Tenemos 472 millones de reales retenidos en las cuentas de las prefecturas para merienda, que no pueden gastar.",3249.88,3259.52,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":69,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":293,"indexable":74},328,"165467","Bueno, para concluir, en el PV no nos gusta mucho el estereotipo, pero hoy vine de sandía, porque, inclusive nosotros nos boneirindo allá en el almacén del campo, nuestra cabeza es verde, pero el corazón es rojo.",3261.98,3282.04,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":69,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},329,"165468","Quiero sandía, o sea, sandía es sandía.",3282.22,3301.02,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":69,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},330,"165469","Lucas, un placer estar con ustedes aquí.",3301.04,3303.78,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":69,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},331,"165470","Ahora vamos a escuchar a Alexandre... La profesora del Sr.",3305.56,3308.84,{"idx":2042,"utterance_id":2043,"speaker_name":69,"text":2044,"start_s":2045,"end_s":2046,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},332,"165471","Alexandre, del PCdoB, está presente.",3308.86,3311.04,{"idx":2048,"utterance_id":2049,"speaker_name":69,"text":2050,"start_s":2051,"end_s":2052,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},333,"165472","Entonces, le doy la palabra a nuestra querida exministra de Desarrollo Social, Tereza Campelo.",3314.74,3321.44,{"idx":2054,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":69,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},334,"165473","Buenas noches.",3321.46,3321.68,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":69,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},335,"165474","Buenas noches a todas, a todos, a todes.",3328.08,3330.9,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":69,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},336,"165475","Una enorme alegría estar aquí, tener esta oportunidad de estar aquí.",3331.02,3335.64,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":69,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},337,"165476","Estoy tan animada, de verdad.",3335.88,3337.74,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":69,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},338,"165477","Es hermoso ver esto, es hermoso ver esto.",3339,3340.82,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":69,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},339,"165478","Quería saludar, agradecer la invitación, es un enorme honor.",3341.28,3344.76,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":69,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},340,"165479","saludar a nuestro futuro gobernador Fernando Haddad, querido, estamos juntos, Elidio, saludar aquí a todos de la mesa en nombre de nuestra profesora Aldaísa y aquí a nuestros representantes de la frente que están en esta campaña con nosotros y estarán en nuestro futuro gobierno aquí en el Estado de São Paulo también.",3345.26,3366.86,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":69,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},341,"165480","Quería, creo que el debate fue tan rico aquí, quería comenzar... señalando un aspecto de esta elección que creo que es diferenciador.",3368.36,3376.96,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":69,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},342,"165481","Hoy todo el mundo habla del hambre.",3377.76,3379.02,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":69,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},343,"165482","Entonces, el hambre que es un debate tradicional nuestro, recordando 2003, el presidente Lula impulsando la discusión del hambre.",3379.04,3388.1,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":69,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},344,"165483","Hoy, muchas candidaturas hablan del hambre, no sólo la nuestra.",3389.22,3393.64,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":69,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},345,"165484","Aquí en São Paulo también, muchos hablan del hambre.",3393.96,3396.16,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":69,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},346,"165485","Pero, todos tratan el hambre como resultado de la pandemia.",3397.08,3401.26,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":69,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},347,"165486","Entonces, el hambre está ahí, necesitamos enfrentar por qué tenemos hambre más allá de la pandemia.",3401.4,3407.48,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":69,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},348,"165487","Y no es verdad.",3407.58,3408.42,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":69,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},349,"165488","El hambre ya había vuelto a Brasil, ya había vuelto al Estado de São Paulo, ya se estaba nacionalizando, lo cual es un fenómeno distinto del hambre que tuvimos en las décadas de 70 y 80.",3409.1,3420.8,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":69,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},350,"165489","El hambre pasó a ser un fenómeno nacional.",3421.32,3424.32,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":69,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},351,"165490","La investigación de presupuesto... de 2017, 2018, ya mostraba eso, el aumento del hambre en todo Brasil, de la inseguridad alimentaria en todo Brasil.",3425.64,3435.9,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":69,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},352,"165491","¿Por qué ocurrió esto?",3436.26,3437.42,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":69,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},353,"165492","No sólo por un modelo económico excluyente, sino principalmente por el desmantelamiento de las políticas públicas que ocurrieron en Brasil.",3437.82,3445.96,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":69,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},354,"165493","Y dos políticas, en especial, fueron mucho más afectadas que el conjunto.",3446.42,3452.88,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":69,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},355,"165494","Es difícil decir cuál fue más afectada, salud, educación.",3452.9,3456.02,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":69,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},356,"165495","La asistencia social y el CISAM, seguridad alimentaria y nutricional, al ser políticas más recientes y necesariamente transversales, fueron afectadas de forma estructural.",3456.18,3475.48,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":69,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},357,"165496","Entonces, es fundamental que entendamos que el proceso de este debate que estamos haciendo hoy es fundamental.",3475.92,3482.12,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":69,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},358,"165497","en un enfrentamiento no sólo del hambre, de la pobreza, de la desigualdad, y que no será trivial reconstruir.",3482.76,3490.48,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":69,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},359,"165498","A veces estamos discutiendo el programa de gobierno y decimos, bueno, ¿cuál será la novedad?",3490.5,3494.3,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":69,"text":2212,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},360,"165499","Entonces, ¿cuál será lo nuevo?",3494.74,3496.1,{"idx":2216,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":69,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},361,"165500","Tenemos que reconstruir los grandes sistemas nacionales, tenemos que reconstruir políticas públicas, y eso que ustedes trataron aquí es verdad.",3496.58,3505.26,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":69,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},362,"165501","La política pública es un derecho.",3505.32,3506.94,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":69,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},363,"165502","Segundo, tiene que ser continuada, no es, ah, hace una canasta básica, hay una cesta... No, política continuada.",3507.5,3514.02,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":69,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},364,"165503","Y tercero, políticas integradas, en especial, SUAS y CISAM.",3514.34,3519.14,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":69,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},365,"165504","Y ahí quería dar un testimonio personal, que sólo tengo cinco minutitos, ya gasté casi todos aquí.",3519.58,3524.34,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":69,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},366,"165505","Quería dar un testimonio personal, porque creo que hará mucha diferencia tener a Fernando Haddad como gobernador.",3524.92,3531.1,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":69,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},367,"165506","Tuve una oportunidad y alegría... y después ser ministra con formalidad de alcalde.",3531.8,3544.54,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":69,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},368,"165507","Y quería dar mi testimonio, porque todo el mundo habla de integración de políticas, es una palabra tan bonita, parece profana, vamos a juntar a todos, vamos a integrar la política pública.",3544.86,3553.58,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":69,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},369,"165508","Cuando te sientas en la mesa, no funciona.",3553.64,3556.16,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":69,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},370,"165509","Es difícil, es complejo y exige liderazgo y decisión política.",3556.6,3562.3,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":69,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},371,"165510","Hubo tres políticas que construimos juntos y si no hubiéramos tenido a Fernando Haddad conduciendo ese proceso, eso no habría ocurrido.",3562.86,3571.68,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":69,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},372,"165511","Una de ellas, que es una política hermosa, que inspiró incluso el Brasil Sem Miséria y la Busca Ativa, que es el BPC en la escuela.",3572.12,3577.74,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":69,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},373,"165512","Una política fantástica con la que revertimos todo el proceso de exclusión de niños que recibían beneficios de prestación continuada y que estaban fuera de la escuela.",3578.32,3588.54,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":69,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},374,"165513","Y Fernando Haddad estaba a cargo de la construcción de ese decreto, de esa política, junto con los suyos.",3589.02,3595.2,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":69,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},375,"165514","Según la Pranatec, ¿no, Fernando?",3595.8,3597.7,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":69,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":355,"indexable":74},376,"165515","Y el tercero, que creo que es el más bonito, que vivimos contigo como alcalde, que fue el Brasil Carinhoso, a nivel federal, y el São Paulo Carinhosa, que impulsaba toda una agenda de cuidados con los niños, que impulsaba toda una agenda de integración.",3597.72,3613.2,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":69,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},377,"165516","Por lo tanto, creo que es fundamental que rescatemos esas experiencias.",3613.58,3617.72,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":69,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},378,"165517","para que además, mucho más allá del debate conceptual, mostremos que sí es posible construir políticas públicas integradas en Brasil.",3618.04,3628.7,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":69,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},379,"165518","Entonces, estoy súper feliz de poder estar aquí, en Lala, Fernando Haddad aquí, vamos a construir un país diferente.",3628.74,3643.94,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":69,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},380,"165519","Fernando Haddad, gracias por su contribución.",3643.98,3645.82,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":69,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},381,"165520","Está aquí presente también Andressa, ella es nutricionista del programa Bom Prato.",3646.8,3655.18,{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":69,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":285,"indexable":74},382,"165521","a Vera Vilela, del Fórum Paulista de Soberania, Seguridad Alimentaria y Nutricional Sustentable, a Rita de Cássia, también de la categoría de nutricionistas, y llamo a la mesa aquí a nuestra querida compañera Carina Vitral, del PCdoB, precandidata a diputada estatal, representando al PCdoB.",3656.22,3677.76,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":69,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},383,"165522","Oh Karina, había pedido que si ya estás ahí, aproveches y hagas un saludo.",3677.82,3692.08,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":69,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},384,"165523","Pedir que cambie un poco nada más.",3692.66,3694.28,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":69,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},385,"165524","Entonces hazlo ahí, hazlo ahí.",3696.58,3697.34,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":69,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},386,"165525","¿Quieres respirar?",3701.68,3702.62,{"idx":2372,"utterance_id":2373,"speaker_name":69,"text":2374,"start_s":2375,"end_s":2376,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},387,"165526","Entonces después sólo.",3702.64,3703.42,{"idx":2378,"utterance_id":2379,"speaker_name":69,"text":2380,"start_s":2381,"end_s":2382,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},388,"165527","Entonces Karina va a respirar, después habla ella.",3703.54,3705.68,{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":69,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},389,"165528","¿Alguien tiene una silla ahí para que yo baje una silla?",3706.58,3708.52,{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":69,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},390,"165529","Ya va, ya va.",3708.54,3709.2,{"idx":2396,"utterance_id":2397,"speaker_name":69,"text":2398,"start_s":2399,"end_s":2400,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},391,"165530","Ya fue a buscar.",3710.06,3710.78,{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":69,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},392,"165531","Si es joven, puede quedarse de pie.",3711.36,3714.96,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":69,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},393,"165532","También anunciar aquí a los integrantes del Fórum Paulista Soberania, que ya he mencionado.",3716,3720.88,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":69,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":367,"indexable":74},394,"165533","y anunciar, pidieron hacer un ciclo de debate, 13 de agosto, Sistema Nacional de Seguridad Alimentaria, 27 de agosto, situación del CISAM en el estado de São Paulo, desafíos de la sociedad civil, y 10 de septiembre, agenda política del CISAM en las elecciones de 22, en diálogo con candidaturas comprometidas matemática.",3721.86,3748.34,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":69,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},395,"165534","Ahora vamos a pasar, vamos a ir llamando a las personas previamente inscritas para intervenciones aquí.",3749.94,3763.56,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":69,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},396,"165535","Y les pido que no ignoren a Martim.",3763.9,3769.82,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":69,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},397,"165536","Martim es ese joven que está con la plaquita en la mano con el tiempo.",3769.86,3777.18,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":69,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},398,"165537","Así que no pueden hacerse los que no lo vieron.",3777.58,3779.44,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":69,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},399,"165538","Entonces, primero, llamar al compañero Delvec, del MST.",3780.12,3785.18,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":69,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},400,"165539","Y que se vaya preparando, que se quede cerca Bacarim.",3794.24,3797.08,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":69,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},401,"165540","Buenas noches, gente, compañerada.",3809.54,3819.72,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":69,"text":2056,"start_s":2464,"end_s":2465,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},402,"165541",3836.44,3837.08,{"idx":2467,"utterance_id":2468,"speaker_name":69,"text":2469,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},403,"165542","Quiero, en nombre de los campesinos y las campesinas, saludar aquí a toda la mesa, en nombre de nuestro próximo gobernador, Fernando Haddad.",3837.62,3851.98,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":69,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},404,"165543","Es un gran placer estar aquí con ustedes.",3852.04,3854.44,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":69,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},405,"165544","y agradecer la invitación del Dr.",3854.6,3857.6,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":69,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},406,"165545","Dimitri.",3857.66,3858.04,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":69,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},407,"165546","Pero quiero, rápidamente, creo que son tres minutos, ser muy práctico; quisiera aquí inclusive agradecer las palabras del compañero Lucas, del PV, porque de hecho hago mías sus palabras.",3859.88,3876.58,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":69,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},408,"165547","Porque de hecho el problema del hambre, como lo planteó la compañera, el problema del hambre es un problema estructural.",3878.58,3888.24,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":69,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},409,"165548","La pandemia solo vino a agravar, y sobre todo aquí en el estado de São Paulo, es decir, un estado con un territorio de muchos recursos naturales; sin embargo, esto está al servicio del capital financiero internacional, al servicio de intereses que no son los de la población paulista.",3889.26,3907,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":69,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},410,"165549","Entonces es importante que entendamos... de hecho, esa estructura fundiaria y ese modelo de producción del Estado de São Paulo, que es uno de los principales responsables del hambre, sin duda alguna.",3907.56,3918.7,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":69,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},411,"165550","Entonces, cuando hablamos de... El banner está muy bonito allí, ¿no?",3919.22,3923.9,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":69,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},412,"165551","Cuando hablamos de comida, de democracia... necesitamos hablar de algunas cosas fundamentales.",3924.18,3929.84,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":69,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},413,"165552","Una de ellas es la tierra.",3930.14,3931.38,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":69,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},414,"165553","Necesitamos hablar de la tierra, hablar de la reforma agraria.",3931.68,3933.78,{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":69,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},415,"165554","Si no quieren hablar de reforma agraria, pueden decirlo de otra forma, pero tenemos que intervenir en la estructura fundiaria del Estado de São Paulo.",3933.84,3939.76,{"idx":2545,"utterance_id":2546,"speaker_name":69,"text":2547,"start_s":2548,"end_s":2549,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},416,"165555","La segunda cuestión... es cambiar el modelo tecnológico.",3940.54,3945.12,{"idx":2551,"utterance_id":2552,"speaker_name":69,"text":2553,"start_s":2554,"end_s":2555,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},417,"165556","Tenemos que apostar, de hecho, por la agroecología, por comida de calidad, por la producción orgánica.",3945.26,3950.92,{"idx":2557,"utterance_id":2558,"speaker_name":69,"text":2559,"start_s":2560,"end_s":2561,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},418,"165557","Entonces, son cosas fundamentales para que, de verdad, podamos pensar en alimentar a la población con alimentos saludables.",3950.98,3960.32,{"idx":2563,"utterance_id":2564,"speaker_name":69,"text":2565,"start_s":2566,"end_s":2567,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},419,"165558","Entonces, de forma muy breve, ese es el compromiso.",3960.82,3964.76,{"idx":2569,"utterance_id":2570,"speaker_name":69,"text":2571,"start_s":2572,"end_s":2573,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},420,"165559","Hicimos un buen trabajo, conversando con la gente de la agricultura familiar, de las comunidades tradicionales, junto, incluso, con el sector agrario; ya lo hemos incluido en el programa de gobierno.",3965.18,3978.06,{"idx":2575,"utterance_id":2576,"speaker_name":69,"text":2577,"start_s":2578,"end_s":2579,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},421,"165560","Pero, dada la importancia de que asumamos, y yo, nosotros aquí, como movimiento, queríamos asumir públicamente e invitarles a todos a ayudar en esto.",3978.56,3988.7,{"idx":2581,"utterance_id":2582,"speaker_name":69,"text":2583,"start_s":2584,"end_s":2585,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},422,"165561","Tenemos que, de hecho, enfrentar el hambre en el Estado de São Paulo y en Brasil.",3988.9,3992.14,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":2588,"speaker_name":69,"text":2589,"start_s":2590,"end_s":2591,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},423,"165562","Vamos a combatir el hambre y nuestra propuesta es que podamos... pensar en un programa de emergencia para producir comida en el campo.",3992.36,4003.38,{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":69,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},424,"165563","Asumimos esa responsabilidad de producir la comida orgánica necesaria.",4003.4,4007.44,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":69,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},425,"165564","Y una logística puede ser, por ejemplo, el \"sacolão\", el sistema de sacolão, para combatir el hambre del pueblo paulista.",4007.82,4014.52,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":69,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},426,"165565","llevar la agricultura familiar, los asentamientos de reforma agraria y las comunidades tradicionales al proceso de desarrollo social y económico que se da en el campo.",4015.44,4022.76,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":69,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},427,"165566","Entonces eso es lo que quería plantear, decir de hecho que estamos en esta campaña, estamos en São Paulo: Lula allá y Dália aquí en São Paulo.",4022.94,4040.6,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":69,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},428,"165567","Ahora el profesor José Macarim del Instituto Fome Zero y el profesor Almesc, y que ya se prepare Patricia Jair.",4040.96,4048.58,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":69,"text":1187,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},429,"165568",4050.06,4052.56,{"idx":2628,"utterance_id":2629,"speaker_name":69,"text":2630,"start_s":2631,"end_s":2632,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},430,"165569","Asunto del gobernador, todos los medios, realmente.",4053.74,4056.26,{"idx":2634,"utterance_id":2635,"speaker_name":69,"text":2636,"start_s":2637,"end_s":2638,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},431,"165570","El tiempo es poco y quisiera intentar decir algunas cosas, transmitir algunas ideas aquí.",4057.3,4062.24,{"idx":2640,"utterance_id":2641,"speaker_name":69,"text":2642,"start_s":2643,"end_s":2644,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},432,"165571","Primero, pienso que la lucha contra el hambre depende especialmente del acceso a la comida y al ingreso.",4063.1,4069.06,{"idx":2646,"utterance_id":2647,"speaker_name":69,"text":2648,"start_s":2649,"end_s":2650,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},433,"165572","Eso es básico.",4069.82,4071.24,{"idx":2652,"utterance_id":2653,"speaker_name":69,"text":2654,"start_s":2655,"end_s":2656,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},434,"165573","El PT ya mostró eso en Brasil.",4071.26,4073.24,{"idx":2658,"utterance_id":2659,"speaker_name":69,"text":2660,"start_s":2661,"end_s":2662,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},435,"165574","Pero hay otras cosas que afectan incluso el ingreso.",4074.36,4078.16,{"idx":2664,"utterance_id":2665,"speaker_name":69,"text":2666,"start_s":2667,"end_s":2668,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},436,"165575","Somos un país muy exportador de alimentos.",4078.96,4082.44,{"idx":2670,"utterance_id":2671,"speaker_name":69,"text":2672,"start_s":2673,"end_s":2674,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},437,"165576","Decimos que no tenemos miedo del mundo, pero no alimentamos a la población brasileña.",4084.2,4088.6,{"idx":2676,"utterance_id":2677,"speaker_name":69,"text":2678,"start_s":2679,"end_s":2680,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},438,"165577","La población brasileña no forma parte del mundo, es extraterrestre, no tiene sentido.",4088.64,4095.28,{"idx":2682,"utterance_id":2683,"speaker_name":69,"text":2684,"start_s":2685,"end_s":2686,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},439,"165578","Y estamos pasando por un período de aumento de precios de los alimentos.",4095.8,4100.26,{"idx":2688,"utterance_id":2689,"speaker_name":69,"text":2690,"start_s":2691,"end_s":2692,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},440,"165579","Desde 2007, en realidad.",4100.34,4102.8,{"idx":2694,"utterance_id":2695,"speaker_name":69,"text":2696,"start_s":2697,"end_s":2698,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},441,"165580","Aumento por encima de otros en periodos de desinflación.",4103.34,4105.74,{"idx":2700,"utterance_id":2701,"speaker_name":69,"text":2702,"start_s":2703,"end_s":2704,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},442,"165581","El IPCA ya lleva 14 años y se agravó en la pandemia.",4109.16,4114.14,{"idx":2706,"utterance_id":2707,"speaker_name":69,"text":2708,"start_s":2709,"end_s":2710,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},443,"165582","Y es increíble, porque en un momento en que tenemos tanta hambre, ¿cómo hay gente ganando tanto dinero con la alimentación en el mundo?",4115.06,4122.08,{"idx":2712,"utterance_id":2713,"speaker_name":69,"text":2714,"start_s":2715,"end_s":2716,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},444,"165583","No tiene sentido.",4122.78,4124.98,{"idx":2718,"utterance_id":2719,"speaker_name":69,"text":2720,"start_s":2721,"end_s":2722,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},445,"165584","Y nosotros notamos que uno de los problemas es que la disponibilidad de productos básicos de Brasil, de la alimentación brasileña, ha disminuido hasta la fecha.",4125.7,4136.84,{"idx":2724,"utterance_id":2725,"speaker_name":69,"text":2726,"start_s":2727,"end_s":2728,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},446,"165585","Arroz, frijol, yuca, especialmente estos tres, la disponibilidad per cápita ha venido cayendo.",4137.96,4144.72,{"idx":2730,"utterance_id":2731,"speaker_name":69,"text":2732,"start_s":2733,"end_s":2734,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},447,"165586","Y el Estado de São Paulo tiene todas las condiciones para aumentar la producción de alimentos para atender a su población.",4145.42,4155.58,{"idx":2736,"utterance_id":2737,"speaker_name":69,"text":2738,"start_s":2739,"end_s":2740,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},448,"165587","Ya se mencionaron aquí las compras públicas; las compras públicas de alimentos son fundamentales: las compras para hospitales, hospitales, restaurantes, universidades, municipalidades, alimentación escolar, secretaría estatal de educación.",4156.18,4171.38,{"idx":2742,"utterance_id":2743,"speaker_name":69,"text":2744,"start_s":2745,"end_s":2746,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},449,"165588","Tenemos que llevar tecnología a los agricultores familiares.",4171.78,4176.06,{"idx":2748,"utterance_id":2749,"speaker_name":69,"text":2750,"start_s":2751,"end_s":2752,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},450,"165589","Tenemos institutos de investigación, mucho conocimiento, pero quienes absorben ese conocimiento no son los agricultores familiares.",4176.9,4184.68,{"idx":2754,"utterance_id":2755,"speaker_name":69,"text":2756,"start_s":2757,"end_s":2758,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},451,"165590","Y quiero darles un dato con el que estoy intentando convencer a la gente de esto.",4185.18,4188.58,{"idx":2760,"utterance_id":2761,"speaker_name":69,"text":2762,"start_s":2763,"end_s":2764,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},452,"165591","Nuestros estudios.",4189.4,4190.28,{"idx":2766,"utterance_id":2767,"speaker_name":69,"text":2768,"start_s":2769,"end_s":2770,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},453,"165592","En el estado de São Paulo, hoy, quienes tienen pasturas no son los grandes.",4191.22,4195.82,{"idx":2772,"utterance_id":2773,"speaker_name":69,"text":2774,"start_s":2775,"end_s":2776,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},454,"165593","La pastura hoy en el estado de São Paulo ya no es sinónimo de gran productor, gran agricultor.",4197.44,4202.5,{"idx":2778,"utterance_id":2779,"speaker_name":69,"text":2780,"start_s":2781,"end_s":2782,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},455,"165594","Es de pequeños.",4202.78,4203.58,{"idx":2784,"utterance_id":2785,"speaker_name":69,"text":2786,"start_s":2787,"end_s":2788,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},456,"165595","En el área de los pequeños, hasta 50 hectáreas, más de la mitad del área está destinada a pastura.",4204.68,4209.98,{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":69,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},457,"165596","Y eso no es para la cría de ganado lechero intensivo.",4211.04,4214.2,{"idx":2796,"utterance_id":2797,"speaker_name":69,"text":2798,"start_s":2799,"end_s":2800,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},458,"165597","Es porque no hay opción de producción en el estado de São Paulo.",4214.98,4218.68,{"idx":2802,"utterance_id":2803,"speaker_name":69,"text":2804,"start_s":2805,"end_s":2806,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},459,"165598","No tenemos políticas públicas, el mercado no ayuda.",4219.2,4222.2,{"idx":2808,"utterance_id":2809,"speaker_name":69,"text":2810,"start_s":2811,"end_s":2812,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},460,"165599","Entonces tenemos que mirar a esos agricultores, hasta 50 hectáreas, hasta 100 hectáreas, y estimularlos a producir más comida.",4222.54,4230.44,{"idx":2814,"utterance_id":2815,"speaker_name":69,"text":2816,"start_s":2817,"end_s":2818,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},461,"165600","Para abaratar el precio de la comida, eso también eleva el ingreso.",4230.5,4234.16,{"idx":2820,"utterance_id":2821,"speaker_name":69,"text":2822,"start_s":2823,"end_s":2824,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},462,"165601","Buenas tardes, gobernador.",4234.84,4235.76,{"idx":2826,"utterance_id":2827,"speaker_name":69,"text":2828,"start_s":2829,"end_s":2830,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},463,"165602","Así es.",4235.98,4236.4,{"idx":2832,"utterance_id":2833,"speaker_name":69,"text":2834,"start_s":2835,"end_s":2836,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},464,"165603","Y ahora Patricia Jair.",4236.48,4253.12,{"idx":2838,"utterance_id":2839,"speaker_name":69,"text":2056,"start_s":2840,"end_s":2841,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},465,"165604",4253.18,4253.98,{"idx":2843,"utterance_id":2844,"speaker_name":69,"text":2845,"start_s":2846,"end_s":2847,"word_count":299,"indexable":74},466,"165605","Participando en este debate, no sé si llamar al profesor mi exministro, con quien tuve la oportunidad de trabajar en el Ministerio de Salud mientras él estaba en el Ministerio de Educación y construimos juntos el programa Salud en la Escuela.",4254.6,4269.4,{"idx":2849,"utterance_id":2850,"speaker_name":69,"text":2851,"start_s":2852,"end_s":2853,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},467,"165606","de mi exalcalde o de mi colega de la Universidad de São Paulo.",4269.84,4273.52,{"idx":2855,"utterance_id":2856,"speaker_name":69,"text":2857,"start_s":2858,"end_s":2859,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},468,"165607","Entonces, profesor, quisiera entregarle la Guía Alimentaria para la Población Brasileña.",4274.44,4279.66,{"idx":2861,"utterance_id":2862,"speaker_name":69,"text":2863,"start_s":2864,"end_s":2865,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},469,"165608","Este es un orgullo de la política pública de alimentación y nutrición en Brasil, producto del Sistema Único de Salud.",4280.22,4287.68,{"idx":2867,"utterance_id":2868,"speaker_name":69,"text":2869,"start_s":2870,"end_s":2871,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},470,"165609","Entonces, también me gustaría mencionar esa sigla que no fue recordada.",4288.1,4292.88,{"idx":2873,"utterance_id":2874,"speaker_name":69,"text":2875,"start_s":2876,"end_s":2877,"word_count":355,"indexable":74},471,"165610","la importancia que tenemos de integrar políticas públicas, de pensar en el Estado de São Paulo que agrupe una agenda, que es una agenda intersectorial, y mencionar que creo que no hay ninguna agenda más innovadora que la agenda de promoción de la alimentación adecuada y saludable.",4293.42,4310.34,{"idx":2879,"utterance_id":2880,"speaker_name":69,"text":2881,"start_s":2882,"end_s":2883,"word_count":433,"indexable":74},472,"165611","No es una agenda sectorial; pasa por la reducción de las desigualdades, pasa por el campo, pero también incluye el debate del espacio urbano, pasa por la cultura, por el derecho de las personas a comer, a verse reflejadas en el plato de comida, pasa por la sostenibilidad, por el impacto ambiental de las dietas, pasa por un Estado que proteja a las personas de los intereses corporativos.",4310.68,4336.32,{"idx":2885,"utterance_id":2886,"speaker_name":69,"text":2887,"start_s":2888,"end_s":2889,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},473,"165612","Y entonces hago, en especial, una petición a nuestro futuro gobernador.",4336.68,4339.84,{"idx":2891,"utterance_id":2892,"speaker_name":69,"text":2893,"start_s":2894,"end_s":2895,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},474,"165613","que proteja las instancias del Estado de São Paulo que hoy defienden a las industrias de alimentos ultraprocesados.",4340.36,4346.6,{"idx":2897,"utterance_id":2898,"speaker_name":69,"text":2899,"start_s":2900,"end_s":2901,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},475,"165614","Espacios como Itaú, que está en contra de lo que es la alimentación brasileña.",4346.94,4350.78,{"idx":2903,"utterance_id":2904,"speaker_name":69,"text":2905,"start_s":2906,"end_s":2907,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},476,"165615","Que tengamos un Estado de São Paulo que no viole el derecho humano de los paulistas en relación con la alimentación.",4351.04,4357.22,{"idx":2909,"utterance_id":2910,"speaker_name":69,"text":2911,"start_s":2912,"end_s":2913,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},477,"165616","Y más que eso, que promueva la alimentación saludable desde la guardería.",4357.5,4361.12,{"idx":2915,"utterance_id":2916,"speaker_name":69,"text":2917,"start_s":2918,"end_s":2919,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},478,"165617","Hicimos tanto eso en São Paulo, en los espacios de la alimentación escolar, en la guardería que acoge a la madre que da el pecho.",4361.52,4367.96,{"idx":2921,"utterance_id":2922,"speaker_name":69,"text":2923,"start_s":2924,"end_s":2925,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},479,"165618","A veces la lactancia es el primer acto de alimentación saludable.",4368.1,4371.58,{"idx":2927,"utterance_id":2928,"speaker_name":69,"text":2929,"start_s":2930,"end_s":2931,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},480,"165619","Incluso pensar en la disponibilidad de alimentos saludables en todos los espacios.",4371.8,4376.14,{"idx":2933,"utterance_id":2934,"speaker_name":69,"text":2935,"start_s":2936,"end_s":2937,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},481,"165620","Entonces, quería mucho elogiar el programa presentado por Marcel.",4376.24,4381.12,{"idx":2939,"utterance_id":2940,"speaker_name":69,"text":2941,"start_s":2942,"end_s":2943,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},482,"165621","Soy profesora en el área de políticas públicas de alimentación y nutrición en la USP.",4381.6,4385.8,{"idx":2945,"utterance_id":2946,"speaker_name":69,"text":2947,"start_s":2948,"end_s":2949,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},483,"165622","Uso la experiencia del municipio de São Paulo como ejemplar en la construcción del plan municipal de seguridad alimentaria y nutricional.",4386.28,4392.34,{"idx":2951,"utterance_id":2952,"speaker_name":69,"text":2953,"start_s":2954,"end_s":2955,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},484,"165623","No fue por casualidad que recibimos un premio internacional.",4392.7,4396.02,{"idx":2957,"utterance_id":2958,"speaker_name":69,"text":2959,"start_s":2960,"end_s":2961,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},485,"165624","Sabemos cómo hacerlo, pero creo que no podemos sólo mirar nuestras experiencias positivas, lo que hemos construido.",4396.48,4404.14,{"idx":2963,"utterance_id":2964,"speaker_name":69,"text":2965,"start_s":2966,"end_s":2967,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},486,"165625","Nuestro desafío es mucho mayor aún.",4404.2,4406.46,{"idx":2969,"utterance_id":2970,"speaker_name":69,"text":2971,"start_s":2972,"end_s":2973,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},487,"165626","Y la perspectiva de pensar en una alimentación que reúna.",4406.9,4410.1,{"idx":2975,"utterance_id":2976,"speaker_name":69,"text":2977,"start_s":2978,"end_s":2979,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},488,"165627","El campo, la ciudad y el planeta que haga bien a nuestros cuerpos, para esta generación y para las generaciones futuras, es algo que tenemos que traer a la agenda de política pública.",4410.7,4420.8,{"idx":2981,"utterance_id":2982,"speaker_name":69,"text":2983,"start_s":2984,"end_s":2985,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},489,"165628","Entonces, muchas gracias.",4421.14,4431.44,{"idx":2987,"utterance_id":2988,"speaker_name":69,"text":2989,"start_s":2990,"end_s":2991,"word_count":409,"indexable":74},490,"165629","juntamente com Emílio de Souza, o coordenador da estação, e também com a Rodaísa Esposato, a nossa querida professora, que anda com todos os contribuintes do Sistema Único de Saúde, do Sistema de Assistência Social, e, sobretudo, para verificar como é que mais eficazmente vamos erradicar a pobreza, promover maior igualdade em nosso Estado e em nosso país.",4450.9,4479.14,{"idx":2993,"utterance_id":2994,"speaker_name":69,"text":2995,"start_s":2996,"end_s":2997,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},491,"165630","E para isso é importantíssimo que nós venhamos a unificar e agilizar, retirar as condicionalidades dos problemas que, ao longo destes últimos anos, foram criados.",4479.76,4496.52,{"idx":2999,"utterance_id":3000,"speaker_name":69,"text":3001,"start_s":3002,"end_s":3003,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},492,"165631","Programas como, por exemplo, o São Paulo Acolhe, o Vale Graça, o Vale Leite, o Prospera, a Lenda Cidadã, a Ação Jovem.",4496.9,4506.46,{"idx":3005,"utterance_id":3006,"speaker_name":69,"text":3007,"start_s":3008,"end_s":3009,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},493,"165632","Nós precisamos caminhar rapidamente agora, já é lei nacional, em direção à renda básica de cidadania.",4506.98,4515.94,{"idx":3011,"utterance_id":3012,"speaker_name":69,"text":3013,"start_s":3014,"end_s":3015,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},494,"165633","O direito de todo e qualquer pessoa, não importa a sua origem, raça, sexo, idade, condição civil ou mesmo de sorte econômica, de participarmos da riqueza comum de nossa nação.",4516.38,4529.88,{"idx":3017,"utterance_id":3018,"speaker_name":69,"text":3019,"start_s":3020,"end_s":3021,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},495,"165634","Se trata de um mecanismo que vai... elevar o grau de justiça e de dignidade e de liberdade real para todos os seres humanos em São Paulo e no Brasil.",4530.46,4544.8,{"idx":3023,"utterance_id":3024,"speaker_name":69,"text":3025,"start_s":3026,"end_s":3027,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},496,"165635","Um abração.",4545.34,4545.94,{"idx":3029,"utterance_id":3030,"speaker_name":69,"text":3031,"start_s":3032,"end_s":3033,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},497,"165636","Muito obrigado.",4546.24,4561.82,{"idx":3035,"utterance_id":3036,"speaker_name":69,"text":3037,"start_s":3038,"end_s":3039,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},498,"165637","Queria agradecer a oportunidade de falar aqui, Enidio, companheiros da mesa, Tereza, Aldaísa.",4563.08,4573.3,{"idx":3041,"utterance_id":3042,"speaker_name":69,"text":3043,"start_s":3044,"end_s":3045,"word_count":280,"indexable":74},499,"165638","A gente tem batalhado em conjunto com muitos outros de vocês que estão aqui ao longo desse período aí do governo Bolsonaro e do governo Doria para ser capaz de propor alternativas de enfrentamento à pobreza.",4573.68,4589.14,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":69,"text":3049,"start_s":3050,"end_s":3051,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},500,"165639","Dentre as alternativas, a gente sabe que os programas de transferência de renda ocupam um lugar institucional bastante complicado.",4589.76,4598.06,{"idx":3053,"utterance_id":3054,"speaker_name":69,"text":3055,"start_s":3056,"end_s":3057,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},501,"165640","E acho que, especialmente, a discussão do auxílio emergencial implementado pelo governo Bolsonaro, ela foi uma discussão que ignorou o sistema único de assistência social e, por isso, a DAD.",4598.5,4611.88,{"idx":3059,"utterance_id":3060,"speaker_name":69,"text":3061,"start_s":3062,"end_s":3063,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},502,"165641","A gente viu tanta fila na porta da Caixa Econômica, as pessoas iam lá, não era para receber o benefício, era para pedir informação.",4613.26,4619.84,{"idx":3065,"utterance_id":3066,"speaker_name":69,"text":3067,"start_s":3068,"end_s":3069,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},503,"165642","Era para pedir informação.",4619.9,4620.98,{"idx":3071,"utterance_id":3072,"speaker_name":69,"text":3073,"start_s":3074,"end_s":3075,"word_count":285,"indexable":74},504,"165643","E contrário disso, você sabe disso, já te falei isso antes, a gente tem que o seu programa de metas como prefeito, aqui em São Paulo, eram 100 metas atualizadas, depois que eu senti alguma coisa, a meta 1 e a meta 2 eram.",4621.68,4638.54,{"idx":3077,"utterance_id":3078,"speaker_name":69,"text":3079,"start_s":3080,"end_s":3081,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},505,"165644","Incluir pessoas no Bolsa Família, no Cadastro Único.",4638.94,4643.1,{"idx":3083,"utterance_id":3084,"speaker_name":69,"text":3085,"start_s":3086,"end_s":3087,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},506,"165645","E qual foi a medida para fazer isso?",4643.48,4645.3,{"idx":3089,"utterance_id":3090,"speaker_name":69,"text":3091,"start_s":3092,"end_s":3093,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},507,"165646","Não foi nenhum passe de mágica, não foi um aplicativo.",4645.66,4648.96,{"idx":3095,"utterance_id":3096,"speaker_name":69,"text":3097,"start_s":3098,"end_s":3099,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},508,"165647","como querem fazer com que a assistência social vire nos últimos anos.",4649.02,4652.92,{"idx":3101,"utterance_id":3102,"speaker_name":69,"text":3103,"start_s":3104,"end_s":3105,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},509,"165648","Foi abrir CRAS, foi ampliar a rede de proteção através da implementação do SUS.",4653.42,4660.84,{"idx":3107,"utterance_id":3108,"speaker_name":69,"text":3109,"start_s":3110,"end_s":3111,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},510,"165649","Isso foi feito em parceria com o governo federal, quando a Tereza estava lá, isso foi feito pelos trabalhadores aqui, você fez concurso.",4661.66,4668.02,{"idx":3113,"utterance_id":3114,"speaker_name":69,"text":3115,"start_s":3116,"end_s":3117,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},511,"165650","para assistente social no seu governo.",4668.34,4670.2,{"idx":3119,"utterance_id":3120,"speaker_name":69,"text":3121,"start_s":3122,"end_s":3123,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},512,"165651","E estender a rede significa estender também os programas de transferência de renda.",4670.72,4676.2,{"idx":3125,"utterance_id":3126,"speaker_name":69,"text":3127,"start_s":3128,"end_s":3129,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},513,"165652","E aqui vale um exemplo sobre o que é o programa de transferência de renda durante o governo do Estado.",4676.66,4680.56,{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":69,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},514,"165653","A rede brasileira de renda básica tem trabalhado arduamente para questionar o Bolsa do Povo.",4681,4687.36,{"idx":3137,"utterance_id":3138,"speaker_name":69,"text":3139,"start_s":3140,"end_s":3141,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},515,"165654","Esse programa que é uma maradelada do Rodrigo Garcia e do João Dória.",4687.82,4692.4,{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":69,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},516,"165655","Dentro do Bolsa do Povo, eles juntaram um monte de coisa.",4692.78,4697,{"idx":3149,"utterance_id":3150,"speaker_name":69,"text":3151,"start_s":3152,"end_s":3153,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},517,"165656","entre as quais o Renda Cidadã, que é um programa de transferência de renda para o governo do Estado, que seria equivalente ao nosso Bolsa Família, ao Renda Mínima aqui na cidade de São Paulo.",4697.9,4708.28,{"idx":3155,"utterance_id":3156,"speaker_name":69,"text":3157,"start_s":3158,"end_s":3159,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},518,"165657","E a gente fez um questionamento.",4709.02,4710.2,{"idx":3161,"utterance_id":3162,"speaker_name":69,"text":3163,"start_s":3164,"end_s":3165,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},519,"165658","Quantas pessoas estão no Renda Cidadã?",4710.28,4712.78,{"idx":3167,"utterance_id":3168,"speaker_name":69,"text":3169,"start_s":3165,"end_s":3170,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},520,"165659","10.866.",4712.94,{"idx":3172,"utterance_id":3173,"speaker_name":69,"text":3174,"start_s":3175,"end_s":3176,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},521,"165660","Qual é a fila do Renda Cidadã?",4716.72,4718.92,{"idx":3178,"utterance_id":3179,"speaker_name":69,"text":3180,"start_s":3176,"end_s":3181,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},522,"165661","1.860.000 pessoas.",4723.42,{"idx":3183,"utterance_id":3184,"speaker_name":69,"text":3185,"start_s":3186,"end_s":3187,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},523,"165662","O que o Auxílio Brasil tem de fila?",4723.96,4726.2,{"idx":3189,"utterance_id":3190,"speaker_name":69,"text":3191,"start_s":3192,"end_s":3193,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},524,"165663","no governo federal, o Renda Cidadã tem de fila.",4726.24,4729.94,{"idx":3195,"utterance_id":3196,"speaker_name":69,"text":3197,"start_s":3198,"end_s":3199,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},525,"165664","No estado de São Paulo, famílias, não é pessoas, famílias, 1 milhão e 800 mil.",4730.44,4737.12,{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":69,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},526,"165665","A pergunta não foi assim, quantas atendem ao perfil de legitimidade.",4737.82,4741.64,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":69,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},527,"165666","A pergunta foi, quantas estão na fila e estão habilitadas a receber?",4741.9,4746.62,{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":69,"text":3215,"start_s":3211,"end_s":3216,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},528,"165667","1 milhão e 800 mil.",4748.4,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":69,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":445,"indexable":74},529,"165668","Então, isso demonstra que a gente tem aqui para explorar algo que nós temos condição de apontar caminhos, que é a expansão da rede como forma de expansão do direito à segurança de renda, que deve ser universal, no sentido do que fala o Suplicy, em colaboração entre todos os entes federativos, na medida que for possível escalar entre eles para atender vulnerabilidades específicas.",4748.78,4774.46,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":69,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":481,"indexable":74},530,"165669","Eu fico por aqui, mas queria dizer que essa proposta que está sendo entregue e que foi capitaneada pela aldeia, por trabalhadores do SUAS, por gente do CISAM, eu coassino com o presidente da Rede Brasileira de Vinda Básica, tem um diagnóstico sobre isso, página 18, sobre gestão de benefícios, mas tem muitos outros apontamentos que são importantes para a gente avançar na proteção social no Estado de São Paulo.",4774.88,4796.76,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":69,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},531,"165670","Obrigado.",4797.06,4797.5,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":69,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},532,"165671","A próxima é a Karina Vitral, representando o terceiro rei, já se prepara a Nayara Teixeira.",4811.94,4817,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":69,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},533,"165672","Boa noite a todas, boa noite a todos, boa noite Emílio, boa noite professora Haddad.",4817.02,4829.66,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":69,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},534,"165673","Ontem a professora Haddad estava em Santos, na nossa Baixada Santista, numa agenda muito produtiva por lá, e quero cumprimentar a todos e todas da mesa, que já contribuíram muito para esse debate.",4831.56,4844.9,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":69,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},535,"165674","Quero trazer aqui a saudação da militância do PCdoB, do Partido Comunista do Brasil.",4845.54,4851.7,{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":69,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},536,"165675","E dizer que o PCdoB está muito empenhado, governadora Haddad, numa campanha contra a caristia.",4852.3,4860.16,{"idx":3266,"utterance_id":3267,"speaker_name":69,"text":3268,"start_s":3269,"end_s":3270,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},537,"165676","Eu vou te entregar aqui depois o nosso panfletinho.",4860.78,4863.22,{"idx":3272,"utterance_id":3273,"speaker_name":69,"text":3274,"start_s":3275,"end_s":3276,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},538,"165677","Nós que temos essa tradição do movimento comunitário, está aqui uma das pioneiras do movimento das mulheres contra a caristia, nossa querida... Ana Martins, que já foi vereadora, que já foi deputada nesse estado.",4863.98,4880,{"idx":3278,"utterance_id":3279,"speaker_name":69,"text":3280,"start_s":3281,"end_s":3282,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},539,"165678","Nós resgatamos essa tradição.",4880.5,4882.58,{"idx":3284,"utterance_id":3285,"speaker_name":69,"text":3286,"start_s":3287,"end_s":3288,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},540,"165679","Então, estamos indo nos bairros, nas comunidades, dialogar com a população sobre o problema da fome, mas sobre o problema mais amplo, que é o problema da carestia.",4883.08,4893.46,{"idx":3290,"utterance_id":3291,"speaker_name":69,"text":3292,"start_s":3293,"end_s":3294,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},541,"165680","Eu estou aqui com esse adesivo, está tudo caro e é culpa do Bolsonaro.",4894.08,4898.74,{"idx":3296,"utterance_id":3297,"speaker_name":69,"text":3298,"start_s":3299,"end_s":3300,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},542,"165681","Não é só a fome em si, mas é... dos preços em geral da economia que desencadeia uma dificuldade muito grande de viver com qualidade de vida, tendo comida na mesa.",4899.22,4914.78,{"idx":3302,"utterance_id":3303,"speaker_name":69,"text":3304,"start_s":3305,"end_s":3306,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},543,"165682","Então trago aqui essa saudação de luta do PCdoB.",4915.22,4919.64,{"idx":3308,"utterance_id":3309,"speaker_name":69,"text":3310,"start_s":3311,"end_s":3312,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},544,"165683","E quero aqui, Haddad, como uma pré-candidata a deputada estadual também, economista e feminista, dizer que não há, governador Haddad, como a gente discutir a pobreza no Brasil sem fazer um recorte de gênero.",4920.4,4937.04,{"idx":3314,"utterance_id":3315,"speaker_name":69,"text":3316,"start_s":3317,"end_s":3318,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},545,"165684","E eu estou muito abismada, porque tenho estudado esse tema na nossa pré-candidatura, eu estou muito impressionada como é gritante e como tem conexão esses dois temas.",4937.56,4950.02,{"idx":3320,"utterance_id":3321,"speaker_name":69,"text":3322,"start_s":3323,"end_s":3324,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},546,"165685","Para você ter noção, Haddad, 46%... das mulheres não tem comida na mesa para alimentar a sua família.",4950.62,4962.6,{"idx":3326,"utterance_id":3327,"speaker_name":69,"text":3328,"start_s":3329,"end_s":3330,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},547,"165686","Quando é o homem o cheque de família, essa porcentagem vai para 20%.",4963.18,4968.2,{"idx":3332,"utterance_id":3333,"speaker_name":69,"text":3334,"start_s":3335,"end_s":3336,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},548,"165687","Só que qual que é o dado?",4969.38,4971.34,{"idx":3338,"utterance_id":3339,"speaker_name":69,"text":3340,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3341,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},549,"165688","46% das famílias no Brasil são chequeadas por mãe solo.",4974.36,{"idx":3343,"utterance_id":3344,"speaker_name":69,"text":3345,"start_s":3346,"end_s":3347,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},550,"165689","Esses dados eu tenho no Brasil, eu não achei o recorte de São Paulo, mas entendendo que o estado de São Paulo também tem essa correlação, é um dos estados mais desiguais, a pobreza, do enfrentamento à pobreza... a desigualdade de gênero.",4977.24,4993.4,{"idx":3349,"utterance_id":3350,"speaker_name":69,"text":3351,"start_s":3352,"end_s":3353,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},551,"165690","E aí, professora Haddad, eu queria dialogar com o senhor sobre um tema muito importante que pode ser a solução para esse problema, que é a economia do cuidado.",4993.86,5003.42,{"idx":3355,"utterance_id":3356,"speaker_name":69,"text":3357,"start_s":3358,"end_s":3359,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},552,"165691","As mulheres, Haddad, elas trabalham 61 horas por semana em atividades não remuneradas.",5004.18,5010.8,{"idx":3361,"utterance_id":3362,"speaker_name":69,"text":3363,"start_s":3364,"end_s":3365,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},553,"165692","Como essas atividades?",5011.46,5012.52,{"idx":3367,"utterance_id":3368,"speaker_name":69,"text":3369,"start_s":3370,"end_s":3371,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},554,"165693","Alimentação, lavar louça, fazer supermercado, porque na nossa sociedade patriarcal, O trabalho do cuidado que todos nós precisamos recai sobre as mulheres.",5012.96,5025.1,{"idx":3373,"utterance_id":3374,"speaker_name":69,"text":3375,"start_s":3376,"end_s":3377,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},555,"165694","Qual é o problema disso?",5025.5,5026.66,{"idx":3379,"utterance_id":3380,"speaker_name":69,"text":3381,"start_s":3382,"end_s":3383,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},556,"165695","Quando as mulheres têm filho, há dois anos, 40% das mulheres perdem o emprego.",5027.06,5033.6,{"idx":3385,"utterance_id":3386,"speaker_name":69,"text":3387,"start_s":3388,"end_s":3389,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},557,"165696","Então, numa sociedade patriarcal, a maternidade significa diretamente uma redução de renda da mulher, a perda da atividade remunerada por uma atividade não remunerada.",5034.34,5046.7,{"idx":3391,"utterance_id":3392,"speaker_name":69,"text":3393,"start_s":3394,"end_s":3395,"word_count":280,"indexable":74},558,"165697","Desde Silvia Federici, as feministas diziam... Que esse trabalho não pago, que a gente chama de amor, que é amamentar, que é cuidar, que é cuidar não só das crianças, mas dos idosos, precisa ser remunerado.",5047.08,5060.74,{"idx":3397,"utterance_id":3398,"speaker_name":69,"text":3399,"start_s":3400,"end_s":3401,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},559,"165698","Professor, as tias ficam com as tias, ficam com as avós, ficam com empregadas domésticas que também são mulheres.",5062.1,5082.88,{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":69,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},560,"165699","E, urgentemente, discutir a economia do cuidado, a remuneração do trabalho não pago para as mulheres.",5083.94,5091.34,{"idx":3409,"utterance_id":3410,"speaker_name":69,"text":3411,"start_s":3412,"end_s":3413,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},561,"165700","E eu tenho certeza que se essas mulheres não só... da sociedade, mas fosse remunerado esse trabalho que é justo, que tem valor nós poderíamos, eu acho.",5091.62,5107.18,{"idx":3415,"utterance_id":3416,"speaker_name":69,"text":3417,"start_s":3418,"end_s":3419,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},562,"165701","eu tenho certeza, Haddad, que esse pode ser um caminho ao lado de tudo que foi discutido aqui pra resolver o problema das mulheres que estão crescendo, as mulheres e a desigualdade de gênero, então não poderia deixar de fazer esse recorte das mulheres, das feministas.",5108.04,5126.8,{"idx":3421,"utterance_id":3422,"speaker_name":69,"text":3423,"start_s":3424,"end_s":3425,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},563,"165702","e pra isso tudo a gente precisa de mais mulheres na política né gente, então vamos lá Agora a Nayara Teixeira e se prepara o Alain Carvalho.",5127.18,5152.96,{"idx":3427,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":69,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},564,"165703","Boa noite, professor.",5154.04,5155.2,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":69,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},565,"165704","Estou aqui em nome dos trabalhadores estaduais, da Secretaria Estadual de Desenvolvimento Social, servidores do Estado, colegas EPFs que estão aqui, especialistas em políticas públicas também.",5156.08,5165.96,{"idx":3439,"utterance_id":3440,"speaker_name":69,"text":3441,"start_s":3442,"end_s":3443,"word_count":379,"indexable":74},566,"165705","E eu acho que a gente só tem uma coisa, vou falar um pouquinho, mas acho que a gente, o principal que eu tenho aqui para dizer hoje é que a gente espera que vocês sejam o nosso próximo... chefe do executivo, estamos muito esperançosos com isso e a gente está lá resistindo.",5166.72,5183.28,{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":69,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},567,"165706","É uma secretaria que tem que lidar com a secretaria estadual, tem que lidar com a política de assistência social, em frangalhos, que é um projeto dos últimos quase 30 anos do PSDB, que não implantou o SUAS, que omitiu, foi omisso, se exibiu, exibiu da responsabilidade efetivamente.",5183.52,5202.2,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":69,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":391,"indexable":74},568,"165707","promover proteção social, não a entrega de cesta básica, não a entrega de benefícios materiais simplesmente, mas a gente está falando de uma rede de proteção, como bem falou o nosso colega Leandro aqui, é disso que a gente precisa, de unidades públicas nos territórios, de financiamento, a gente precisa trabalhar com os dados efetivamente.",5202.9,5221.28,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":69,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},569,"165708","uma vigilância sócio-assistencial para saber qual é a demanda, que é complexa nesse Estado, é ampla, é grande e a gente precisa começar a dar conta disso.",5221.92,5230.82,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":69,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},570,"165709","A gente está lá mesmo na resistência porque efetivamente a gente lamenta muito todos esses anos que o Estado de São Paulo não tem plantado suas e não colocou essa política pública que é direito e é de cidadania para funcionar.",5231.42,5244.08,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":69,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":439,"indexable":74},571,"165710","Então, assim, o seu desafio vai ser grande, é uma secretaria que hoje trabalha com menos de 50% dos cargos ocupados, os salários dos técnicos de nível superior, que somos nós, meus colegas aqui, é de dois a dois salários mínimos, uma briga histórica que pela associação que eu hoje sou diretora geral, a gente briga, nunca fomos acolhidos, nunca fomos ouvidos efetivamente.",5244.4,5266.64,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":69,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},572,"165711","Então o desafio é grande, mas nós estamos muito, muito esperançosos de que você vai estar lá no ano que vem como uma parte do protocolo do grupo.",5267.22,5274.64,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":69,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},573,"165712","Obrigado, Nayara.",5274.66,5285.1,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":69,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},574,"165713","Agora o Alain Carvalho e depois a Regina Conceição.",5286.2,5289.08,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":69,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},575,"165714","Muito boa noite a todos e todas.",5289.1,5295.8,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":69,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},576,"165715","Boa noite.",5296.34,5297.02,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":69,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},577,"165716","Nosso futuro governador do estado de São Paulo, Fernando Haddad.",5297.86,5301.1,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":69,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},578,"165717","Cumprimentar com os demais da mesa, na sua pessoa.",5301.86,5305.1,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":69,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},579,"165718","Eu aqui enquanto... militante do SUAS, trabalhador do SUAS, somos 106 mil trabalhadores no Estado de São Paulo.",5305.94,5314.1,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":69,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":268,"indexable":74},580,"165719","Tenho necessariamente que engolir enfaticamente todas as falas aqui produzidas na mesa, a professora Marisa, especialmente, porque nos falam diretamente, e Gael Torres, ministra Tereza Campello, prazer em encontrá-los, nos encontramos na Conferência Nacional.",5314.12,5329.46,{"idx":3529,"utterance_id":3530,"speaker_name":69,"text":3531,"start_s":3532,"end_s":3533,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},581,"165720","que inspirou a Conferência Livre Democrática como prova das afrontas que os espaços de controle social têm tido que resolver por ação e omissão desses governos.",5330.48,5341.38,{"idx":3535,"utterance_id":3536,"speaker_name":69,"text":3537,"start_s":3538,"end_s":3539,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},582,"165721","A política de assistência social merece o seu lugar de destaque num Estado como São Paulo.",5342.64,5348.98,{"idx":3541,"utterance_id":3542,"speaker_name":69,"text":3543,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},583,"165722","E é preciso desconstruir o legado do Tucaristão desse mais de um quarto de século que foi muito bem exposto aqui.",5350.14,5356.98,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":69,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},584,"165723","nas falas que me antecederam e eu não vou aqui repetir.",5357.6,5360.44,{"idx":3553,"utterance_id":3554,"speaker_name":69,"text":3555,"start_s":3556,"end_s":3557,"word_count":421,"indexable":74},585,"165724","E que nós, trabalhadores do SUS, que construímos os marcos legais dessa política desde o seu nascimento, inserimos inclusive na Constituição Federal os princípios basilares dessa política, vamos continuar serrando fileiras, governador, ao lado daquele que será o nosso governador, que vai efetivamente desconstruir esse projeto de desmonte e de paralelismo que nós sofremos há tantas décadas no nosso Estado.",5361.1,5387.02,{"idx":3559,"utterance_id":3560,"speaker_name":69,"text":3561,"start_s":3562,"end_s":3563,"word_count":403,"indexable":74},586,"165725","E é com o mesmo vigor e com a mesma disposição que a gente está aqui renovando esse compromisso, em defesa sim de um Estado democrático de direito, em defesa sim de um Estado protetivo, em defesa sim dos suas, contra o seu desmonte, contra o seu sucateamento, na defesa mais veemente dos espaços de controle social.",5387.76,5406.28,{"idx":3565,"utterance_id":3566,"speaker_name":69,"text":3567,"start_s":3568,"end_s":3569,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},587,"165726","Porque não vai ser diferente no Estado de São Paulo, nós vamos precisar de uma base de governo sólida.",5406.66,5411.36,{"idx":3571,"utterance_id":3572,"speaker_name":69,"text":3573,"start_s":3574,"end_s":3575,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},588,"165727","Nós temos representantes de todo o Estado aqui, São Paulo, capital, Baixada do Interior, região metropolitana.",5411.72,5416.82,{"idx":3577,"utterance_id":3578,"speaker_name":69,"text":3579,"start_s":3580,"end_s":3581,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},589,"165728","que vão ser afileiras na defesa desse projeto de sociedade que nós vamos implantar, sim, finalmente, os ruas para valer no Estado de São Paulo.",5417.16,5425.96,{"idx":3583,"utterance_id":3584,"speaker_name":69,"text":3585,"start_s":3586,"end_s":3587,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},590,"165729","Entonces nos felicitamos, sumamos esfuerzos, queriendo llamar la atención sobre nuestro documento construido en conjunto con el NET, con la TZZ aquí, el FEDSUS, militantes del FEDSUS que ayudaron a elaborar propuestas del SUS para el Estado de São Paulo.",5426.24,5440.04,{"idx":3589,"utterance_id":3590,"speaker_name":69,"text":3591,"start_s":3592,"end_s":3593,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},591,"165730","Y para concluir, tenemos aquí también, ya elaborado en la historia de São Paulo, una propuesta de reforma de la Constitución del Estado para adecuarla.",5440.38,5447.76,{"idx":3595,"utterance_id":3596,"speaker_name":69,"text":3597,"start_s":3598,"end_s":3599,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},592,"165731","al SUS nacional, a la política nacional de asistencia social, que la Constitución del Estado aún desatiende, que está archivada en la Asamblea Legislativa desde 2014.",5448.52,5458.86,{"idx":3601,"utterance_id":3602,"speaker_name":69,"text":3603,"start_s":3604,"end_s":3605,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},593,"165732","También queremos retomar la elaboración de una ley estatal del SUS para poder hacer valer en el Estado ese mismo marco legal de manera definitiva, como muy bien se recordó aquí.",5459.22,5468.08,{"idx":3607,"utterance_id":3608,"speaker_name":69,"text":3609,"start_s":3610,"end_s":3611,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},594,"165733","porque el SUAS es política de Estado y no política de gobierno, sobre todo un gobierno clientelista, fisiologista, que solo desestructuró y solo entorpeció.",5468.44,5476.06,{"idx":3613,"utterance_id":3614,"speaker_name":69,"text":3615,"start_s":3616,"end_s":3617,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},595,"165734","Queremos la valorización de los trabajadores, queremos un núcleo de educación permanente, con autonomía para poder debatir la formación calificada y permanente de esos trabajadores.",5476.5,5485.7,{"idx":3619,"utterance_id":3620,"speaker_name":69,"text":3621,"start_s":3622,"end_s":3623,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},596,"165735","Queremos la instalación de la mesa de negociación del SUAS en el Estado de São Paulo, que fue creada pero nunca puesta en funcionamiento.",5486,5491.84,{"idx":3625,"utterance_id":3626,"speaker_name":69,"text":3627,"start_s":3628,"end_s":3629,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},597,"165736","Y nosotros, yo realmente no lo había visto, y queremos, por último, que el SUAS funcione: valorización, dignidad para los trabajadores del SUAS, porque vamos a seguir sirviendo a las empresas de esta política, junto con el gobernador Bruno Andrade.",5492.32,5507.84,{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":69,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},598,"165737","Muchas gracias.",5508.06,5508.72,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":69,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},599,"165738","Buenas noches a todas y a todos.",5508.9,5518.9,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":69,"text":3645,"start_s":3646,"end_s":3647,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},600,"165739","Un placer estar aquí con ustedes.",5518.96,5530,{"idx":3649,"utterance_id":3650,"speaker_name":69,"text":3651,"start_s":3652,"end_s":3653,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},601,"165740","Estaba pensando aquí, quiero saludar a la mesa, a todo el mundo aquí, compañero, un placer conocer a Tereza, a los demás aquí, pero los demás son de la militancia, ¿no?, Adade, Jardim Ângela, pero en la persona de Karina, pensando en tantos usuarios, niños, adolescentes, que atendemos en la política de asistencia social.",5530.94,5547.8,{"idx":3655,"utterance_id":3656,"speaker_name":69,"text":3657,"start_s":3658,"end_s":3659,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},602,"165741","Un placer conocerte también, y es algo que también está en mi agenda; intentaré ser muy breve, suprimiendo ya lo que todo el mundo dijo.",5548.48,5555.26,{"idx":3661,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":69,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},603,"165742","Hablo desde Jardim Ângela.",5555.68,5556.88,{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":69,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},604,"165743","Un lugar que llegó a ser el más violento del mundo.",5556.94,5560.06,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":69,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},605,"165744","Nuestro futuro gobernador sabe eso.",5560.48,5562.12,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":69,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},606,"165745","También formo parte del Comité Contra el Hambre y la Miseria, en el que Tonhão está aquí con nosotros.",5562.42,5566.7,{"idx":3685,"utterance_id":3686,"speaker_name":69,"text":3687,"start_s":3688,"end_s":3689,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},607,"165746","Y pensamos que ya no tendremos que tratar este tema nunca más.",5567.14,5570.02,{"idx":3691,"utterance_id":3692,"speaker_name":69,"text":3693,"start_s":3694,"end_s":3695,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},608,"165747","Y hemos estado observando con preocupación esta violencia del hambre.",5570.44,5574,{"idx":3697,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":69,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},609,"165748","Tereza ha estado hablando, nosotros recordando algunas cosas.",5574.32,5577.56,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":69,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},610,"165749","Antes usábamos mucho la expresión de que hay que enseñar a pescar.",5577.82,5582.22,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":69,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},611,"165750","Hoy ya no hay anzuelo, ya no hay pez, el río se secó y entonces el hambre está golpeando la mesa.",5582.56,5587.12,{"idx":3715,"utterance_id":3716,"speaker_name":69,"text":3717,"start_s":3718,"end_s":3719,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},612,"165751","Y hasta estábamos evaluando algunas cosas en los discursos que nos precedieron.",5587.78,5592.08,{"idx":3721,"utterance_id":3722,"speaker_name":69,"text":3723,"start_s":3724,"end_s":3725,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},613,"165752","Necesitamos un buen plato en los bolsones de vulnerabilidad.",5593.02,5596.24,{"idx":3727,"utterance_id":3728,"speaker_name":69,"text":3729,"start_s":3730,"end_s":3731,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},614,"165753","Entonces la administración dice que está construyendo nuevos, pero hay lugares...",5596.42,5600.24,{"idx":3733,"utterance_id":3734,"speaker_name":69,"text":3735,"start_s":3736,"end_s":3737,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},615,"165754","Allí en el Ângelo teníamos uno que fue cerrado, ahora parece que hay uno nuevo.",5600.32,5604.38,{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":69,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},616,"165755","Parece que en Grajaú también había uno cerrado, no sé si lo abrieron.",5604.62,5608.28,{"idx":3745,"utterance_id":3746,"speaker_name":69,"text":3747,"start_s":3748,"end_s":3749,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},617,"165756","Y entonces parece que la gestión disfraza que las cosas están funcionando cuando no lo están.",5608.78,5613.92,{"idx":3751,"utterance_id":3752,"speaker_name":69,"text":3753,"start_s":3754,"end_s":3755,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},618,"165757","Ya se habló de la política del leve leite y tal.",5614.92,5617.04,{"idx":3757,"utterance_id":3758,"speaker_name":69,"text":3759,"start_s":3760,"end_s":3761,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},619,"165758","Pero no se puede hablar del hambre otra vez sin políticas integradas, gente.",5617.46,5621.22,{"idx":3763,"utterance_id":3764,"speaker_name":69,"text":3765,"start_s":3766,"end_s":3767,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},620,"165759","Y necesitamos valorar el SUAS.",5621.82,5623.72,{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":69,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},621,"165760","Mientras no tengamos la legislación, Haddad, no va a funcionar.",5624.14,5627.62,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":69,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},622,"165761","Vamos a pasar momentos y momentos, años y años.",5627.64,5630.48,{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":69,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},623,"165762","El orador dijo que fueron años de subeditação.",5630.8,5633.08,{"idx":3787,"utterance_id":3788,"speaker_name":69,"text":3789,"start_s":3790,"end_s":3791,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},624,"165763","El gobierno de Geraldo Alckmin no vetó.",5634.02,5637.08,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3793,"speaker_name":69,"text":3794,"start_s":3795,"end_s":3796,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},"165764","Está ahí, archivada.",5637.1,5638.48,{"idx":3798,"utterance_id":3799,"speaker_name":69,"text":3800,"start_s":3801,"end_s":3802,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},626,"165765","El municipio no es diferente, pero nuestra conversación aquí es sobre el Estado.",5638.76,5642,{"idx":3804,"utterance_id":3805,"speaker_name":69,"text":3806,"start_s":3807,"end_s":3808,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},627,"165766","Necesitamos valorar, necesitamos financiar.",5642.68,5645.36,{"idx":3810,"utterance_id":3811,"speaker_name":69,"text":3812,"start_s":3813,"end_s":3814,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},628,"165767","El gobierno necesita financiar a los municipios de pequeño y mediano porte.",5645.38,5648.96,{"idx":3816,"utterance_id":3817,"speaker_name":69,"text":3818,"start_s":3819,"end_s":3820,"word_count":148,"indexable":74},629,"165768","Que estamos en los límites de los territorios, sabemos lo difícil que es atender a esa comunidad, esa población, que es desplazada de un lado a otro, porque no hay un CRAS que funcione, un CRAS que tenga trabajadores.",5649.52,5663.9,{"idx":3822,"utterance_id":3823,"speaker_name":69,"text":3824,"start_s":3825,"end_s":3826,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},630,"165769","Los trabajadores están enfermos, entiendo muy bien lo que Nayara expuso aquí.",5663.92,5667.96,{"idx":3828,"utterance_id":3829,"speaker_name":69,"text":3830,"start_s":3831,"end_s":3832,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},631,"165770","Soy vecina de un CRAS que estuvo con una sola persona trabajando durante la pandemia, eso es muy grave, ¿no?",5668.58,5674.2,{"idx":3834,"utterance_id":3835,"speaker_name":69,"text":3836,"start_s":3837,"end_s":3838,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},632,"165771","Por eso la salud mental está muy afectada.",5674.22,5677.24,{"idx":3840,"utterance_id":3841,"speaker_name":69,"text":3842,"start_s":3843,"end_s":3844,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},633,"165772","Y necesitamos trabajadores sanos porque tenemos más de 2 millones de familias que necesitan actualizar sus registros en el estado de São Paulo.",5677.76,5686.46,{"idx":3846,"utterance_id":3847,"speaker_name":69,"text":3848,"start_s":3849,"end_s":3850,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},634,"165773","¿Cuál es el problema?",5686.7,5687.42,{"idx":3852,"utterance_id":3853,"speaker_name":69,"text":3854,"start_s":3855,"end_s":3856,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},635,"165774","Faltan RRHH, faltan plazas, falta inversión, falta de todo.",5687.72,5690.72,{"idx":3858,"utterance_id":3859,"speaker_name":69,"text":3860,"start_s":3861,"end_s":3862,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},636,"165775","¿Y ese presupuesto?",5691.12,5692.44,{"idx":3864,"utterance_id":3865,"speaker_name":69,"text":3866,"start_s":3867,"end_s":3868,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},637,"165776","Sin presupuesto no se trabaja.",5692.78,5694.24,{"idx":3870,"utterance_id":3871,"speaker_name":69,"text":3872,"start_s":3873,"end_s":3874,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},638,"165777","Por eso necesitamos que ese presupuesto, que llega a cubrir solo el 10% de los gastos del estado, alcance; ahora no alcanza.",5694.46,5703.76,{"idx":3876,"utterance_id":3877,"speaker_name":69,"text":3878,"start_s":3879,"end_s":3880,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},639,"165778","Tenemos que avanzar mucho.",5703.84,5705.3,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":69,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},640,"165779","No puedo dejar de decir que si el Estado, si el municipio decidió trabajar con las organizaciones sociales, debe trabajar con las organizaciones en calidad de socios.",5705.84,5715.34,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":69,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},641,"165780","Aguinaldo está aquí, denle un saludo.",5715.9,5717.94,{"idx":3894,"utterance_id":3895,"speaker_name":69,"text":3896,"start_s":3897,"end_s":3898,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},642,"165781","Trabajamos mucho sobre el marco regulatorio de la sociedad civil, sin calidad.",5718.28,5722.12,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":69,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},643,"165782","También lo saben, ya voy a concluir, pero tenemos que avanzar.",5722.16,5725.62,{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":69,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},644,"165783","Porque la legislación está bonita en el papel, pero no funciona en la práctica.",5725.74,5730.78,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":69,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},645,"165784","Pero conversamos sobre eso.",5731.4,5732.7,{"idx":3918,"utterance_id":3919,"speaker_name":69,"text":3920,"start_s":3921,"end_s":3922,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},646,"165785","Y para concluir, no se puede dejar de hablar de la política para la infancia y la adolescencia.",5732.92,5737.96,{"idx":3924,"utterance_id":3925,"speaker_name":69,"text":3926,"start_s":3927,"end_s":3928,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},647,"165786","Porque venimos sufriendo las secuelas de este descuido, de esta falta de inversión, de esta falta de recursos.",5738.5,5744.72,{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":69,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},648,"165787","Tenemos que abordar en el estado la erradicación del trabajo infantil.",5745.08,5749.3,{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":69,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},649,"165788","El analfabetismo juvenil con la desnutrición.",5749.32,5752.3,{"idx":3942,"utterance_id":3943,"speaker_name":69,"text":3944,"start_s":3945,"end_s":3946,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},650,"165789","Revisar el flujo del pró-vita del PPK, que lidian con violencias en el Estado, hay un deterioro en eso y ampliar servicios de fortalecimiento de vínculos.",5752.88,5762.66,{"idx":3948,"utterance_id":3949,"speaker_name":69,"text":3950,"start_s":3951,"end_s":3952,"word_count":299,"indexable":74},651,"165790","Pero nosotros, como militantes, queremos decir al gobierno Haddad que queremos estar en esta gestión, en la planificación, en la ejecución y también en la evaluación para mejorar las calles de la ciudad de São Paulo y del Estado.",5763.26,5775.32,{"idx":3954,"utterance_id":3955,"speaker_name":69,"text":3956,"start_s":3957,"end_s":3958,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},652,"165791","Cuéntenos.",5775.58,5776.36,{"idx":3960,"utterance_id":3961,"speaker_name":69,"text":1169,"start_s":3962,"end_s":3963,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},653,"165792",5776.4,5776.9,{"idx":3965,"utterance_id":3966,"speaker_name":69,"text":3967,"start_s":3968,"end_s":3969,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},654,"165793","Bueno, solo quedan dos inscritos más.",5782.38,5786.66,{"idx":3971,"utterance_id":3972,"speaker_name":69,"text":3973,"start_s":3974,"end_s":3975,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},655,"165794","Entonces, ya estamos llegando al final aquí.",5786.74,5791.18,{"idx":3977,"utterance_id":3978,"speaker_name":69,"text":3979,"start_s":3980,"end_s":3981,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},656,"165795","La siguiente es la profesora Sônia Crupa, que es profesora de educación de la Facultad de Educación de la USP.",5791.94,5799.3,{"idx":3983,"utterance_id":3984,"speaker_name":69,"text":3985,"start_s":3986,"end_s":3987,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},657,"165796","Y por último, Anderson Miranda.",5801.12,5802.4,{"idx":3989,"utterance_id":3990,"speaker_name":69,"text":3639,"start_s":3991,"end_s":3992,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},658,"165797",5802.42,5806.34,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":3994,"speaker_name":69,"text":3995,"start_s":3996,"end_s":3997,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"165798","Buenas noches, Andrade, gobernador.",5806.38,5808.24,{"idx":3999,"utterance_id":4000,"speaker_name":69,"text":4001,"start_s":4002,"end_s":4003,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},660,"165799","Y a todos los que desde lejos nos ayudaron durante la pandemia.",5808.3,5816.2,{"idx":4005,"utterance_id":4006,"speaker_name":69,"text":4007,"start_s":4008,"end_s":4009,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},661,"165800","para que pensemos en la escuela pública y la seguridad alimentaria.",5816.7,5820.16,{"idx":4011,"utterance_id":4012,"speaker_name":69,"text":4013,"start_s":4014,"end_s":4015,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},662,"165801","¿No es cierto?",5820.62,5821.3,{"idx":4017,"utterance_id":4018,"speaker_name":69,"text":4019,"start_s":4020,"end_s":4021,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},663,"165802","Entonces, aprendimos muchísimo en la pandemia.",5821.92,5823.8,{"idx":4023,"utterance_id":4024,"speaker_name":69,"text":4025,"start_s":4026,"end_s":4027,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},664,"165803","A veces tenemos que, con todo lo difícil que fue, agradecerle.",5824.5,5828.64,{"idx":4029,"utterance_id":4030,"speaker_name":69,"text":4031,"start_s":4032,"end_s":4033,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},665,"165804","Nosotros, los de la educación, nos vimos obligados a abrir la puerta de la escuela.",5829.34,5833.36,{"idx":4035,"utterance_id":4036,"speaker_name":69,"text":4037,"start_s":4038,"end_s":4039,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},666,"165805","Y eso hizo mucha diferencia.",5834.14,5836.12,{"idx":4041,"utterance_id":4042,"speaker_name":69,"text":4043,"start_s":4044,"end_s":4045,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},667,"165806","No es que los profesionales de la educación no lo hicieran ya.",5836.34,5841.2,{"idx":4047,"utterance_id":4048,"speaker_name":69,"text":4049,"start_s":4050,"end_s":4051,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},668,"165807","Pero, digamos, la escuela tiene una capilaridad que llega hasta la base.",5841.94,5850.48,{"idx":4053,"utterance_id":4054,"speaker_name":69,"text":4055,"start_s":4056,"end_s":4057,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},669,"165808","Y vengo de ese lugar, soy de la educación, pero tengo un trabajo con Aldaísa, con la salud pública, en una asignatura integrada de la Universidad de São Paulo, que intentó realizar un trabajo matricial en cuatro polos de la ciudad de São Paulo, donde aprendimos mucho.",5851.22,5869.3,{"idx":4059,"utterance_id":4060,"speaker_name":69,"text":4061,"start_s":4062,"end_s":4063,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},670,"165809","Y vengo aquí, por lo tanto, a hablar como resultado de ese aprendizaje.",5869.78,5874.08,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4065,"speaker_name":69,"text":4066,"start_s":4067,"end_s":4068,"word_count":373,"indexable":74},"165810","pero también como resultado del aprendizaje con Singer, el gran profesor Paul, que nos enseñaba a pensar en el desarrollo local y las maneras en que podemos actuar en una acción integrada, no solo desde las políticas públicas, sino también con los bancos públicos, con los agentes públicos, con los agentes de salud.",5874.48,5900.36,{"idx":4070,"utterance_id":4071,"speaker_name":69,"text":4072,"start_s":4073,"end_s":4074,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},672,"165811","Y ahí la importancia del territorio.",5900.82,5903.08,{"idx":4076,"utterance_id":4077,"speaker_name":69,"text":4078,"start_s":4079,"end_s":4080,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},673,"165812","Por lo tanto, pensar el territorio es fundamental para pensar las políticas públicas.",5903.56,5909.46,{"idx":4082,"utterance_id":4083,"speaker_name":69,"text":4084,"start_s":4085,"end_s":4086,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},674,"165813","Esto fue dicho aquí por varias personas y fue muy bien dicho.",5909.52,5913.12,{"idx":4088,"utterance_id":4089,"speaker_name":69,"text":4090,"start_s":4091,"end_s":4092,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},675,"165814","Y quiero decirte, Adagio, que este material debe formar parte del acervo de formación continua de todo el funcionariado.",5913.16,5922.72,{"idx":4094,"utterance_id":4095,"speaker_name":69,"text":4096,"start_s":4097,"end_s":4098,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},676,"165815","Porque pensar en el territorio significa... Es en el territorio, es en el terreno, es en el lugar donde las cosas ocurren.",5923.14,5932.5,{"idx":4100,"utterance_id":4101,"speaker_name":69,"text":4102,"start_s":4103,"end_s":4104,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},677,"165816","Ahí es donde tenemos que cambiar la vida.",5932.92,5934.96,{"idx":4106,"utterance_id":4107,"speaker_name":69,"text":4108,"start_s":4109,"end_s":4110,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},678,"165817","Ahí es donde tenemos que hacer la diferencia.",5935.52,5937.82,{"idx":4112,"utterance_id":4113,"speaker_name":69,"text":4114,"start_s":4115,"end_s":4116,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},679,"165818","Nadie vive en el Estado.",5938.28,5939.92,{"idx":4118,"utterance_id":4119,"speaker_name":69,"text":4120,"start_s":4121,"end_s":4122,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},680,"165819","Nadie vive en Brasil.",5940.62,5942.2,{"idx":4124,"utterance_id":4125,"speaker_name":69,"text":4126,"start_s":4127,"end_s":4128,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},681,"165820","Vivimos en lo local.",5942.82,5944.32,{"idx":4130,"utterance_id":4131,"speaker_name":69,"text":4132,"start_s":4133,"end_s":4134,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},682,"165821","Y es ahí donde tenemos que integrar las políticas públicas.",5944.94,5948.02,{"idx":4136,"utterance_id":4137,"speaker_name":69,"text":4138,"start_s":4139,"end_s":4140,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},683,"165822","Y lo vimos durante la pandemia, que las áreas de la salud, de toda la seguridad social, pero la asistencia social y la escuela, vimos la pérdida de calidad de esto, que fue de manera brutal, especialmente en el área de la asistencia.",5948.44,5972.68,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4142,"speaker_name":69,"text":4143,"start_s":4144,"end_s":4145,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"165823","La salud tercerizada en su gestión.",5973.32,5975.92,{"idx":4147,"utterance_id":4148,"speaker_name":69,"text":4149,"start_s":4150,"end_s":4151,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},685,"165824","Sus funcionarios sin tiempo para conversar, sin posibilidad de dialogar.",5976.64,5981.98,{"idx":4153,"utterance_id":4154,"speaker_name":69,"text":4155,"start_s":4156,"end_s":4157,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},686,"165825","Pero la educación aún, la educación preservada, y por eso creo importante pensar el territorio.",5982.56,5990.56,{"idx":4159,"utterance_id":4160,"speaker_name":69,"text":4161,"start_s":4162,"end_s":4163,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},687,"165826","Es pensar en una escuela abierta.",5990.94,5993.08,{"idx":4165,"utterance_id":4166,"speaker_name":69,"text":4167,"start_s":4168,"end_s":4169,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},688,"165827","Y esto exige, Adade, que pensemos en protocolos de acción gubernamental integrada.",5993.76,6002,{"idx":4171,"utterance_id":4172,"speaker_name":69,"text":4173,"start_s":4174,"end_s":4175,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},689,"165828","¡Ya termino!",6002.14,6002.82,{"idx":4177,"utterance_id":4178,"speaker_name":69,"text":4179,"start_s":4180,"end_s":4181,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},690,"165829","Pero esos protocolos no pueden ser solo protocolos de política, porque tenemos que enfrentar exactamente al funcionariado público, que en la ejecución de las políticas somos todos nosotros profundamente verticalizados.",6003.44,6022.02,{"idx":4183,"utterance_id":4184,"speaker_name":69,"text":4185,"start_s":4186,"end_s":4187,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},691,"165830","No tenemos historial de pensar de forma matricial.",6022.8,6025.88,{"idx":4189,"utterance_id":4190,"speaker_name":69,"text":4191,"start_s":4192,"end_s":4193,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},692,"165831","Por lo tanto, es un cambio muy radical.",6026.26,6028.28,{"idx":4195,"utterance_id":4196,"speaker_name":69,"text":4197,"start_s":4198,"end_s":4199,"word_count":373,"indexable":74},693,"165832","que tiene que ser visto desde el punto de vista de la burocracia del Estado, pero también tiene que verse desde el punto de vista de, quizá, una reforma administrativa, que sin duda, con la acción de planificación rota, muy tarde lo que vimos, tuvo desmanteladas sus estructuras de planificación.",6028.76,6053.86,{"idx":4201,"utterance_id":4202,"speaker_name":69,"text":4203,"start_s":4204,"end_s":4205,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},694,"165833","Hemos visto eso, no solo en la plaza, sino en varios lugares.",6053.94,6056.82,{"idx":4207,"utterance_id":4208,"speaker_name":69,"text":4209,"start_s":4210,"end_s":4211,"word_count":231,"indexable":74},695,"165834","Solo quería terminar diciendo que esto de ninguna manera significa descalificar a los servidores y funcionarios públicos de todas las áreas, que hacen un trabajo competente.",6057.26,6070.86,{"idx":4213,"utterance_id":4214,"speaker_name":69,"text":4215,"start_s":4216,"end_s":4217,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},696,"165835","Pero lo que quiero decir aquí es que nosotros, la universidad, tenemos que ser convocados en asociación con esos empleados, funcionarios públicos, los que están allí, tal como nosotros.",6071.5,6083.38,{"idx":4219,"utterance_id":4220,"speaker_name":69,"text":4221,"start_s":4222,"end_s":4223,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},697,"165836","para que juntos tomemos fuerza en la dirección de una transformación tan importante.",6084.12,6086.88,{"idx":4225,"utterance_id":4226,"speaker_name":69,"text":4227,"start_s":4228,"end_s":4229,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},698,"165837","Solo quería terminar y ya me voy.",6086.9,6089.84,{"idx":4231,"utterance_id":4232,"speaker_name":69,"text":4233,"start_s":4234,"end_s":4235,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},699,"165838","No, quédate ahí, yo lo voy a derribar.",6089.86,6091.26,{"idx":4237,"utterance_id":4238,"speaker_name":69,"text":4239,"start_s":4240,"end_s":4241,"word_count":162,"indexable":74},700,"165839","Miren, estamos viviendo una situación que comenzó nuestro evento de hoy con mucha desconfianza para el Carte dos Jovens y que necesitamos, de nuevo, levantar la banderita y decirle a la gente que ustedes, que nosotros estamos aquí solo por ustedes, no por los que vendrán.",6091.3,6112.38,{"idx":4243,"utterance_id":4244,"speaker_name":69,"text":4245,"start_s":4246,"end_s":4247,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},701,"165840","Y los que vendrán no pueden rendirse.",6113.04,6122.12,{"idx":4249,"utterance_id":4250,"speaker_name":69,"text":4251,"start_s":4252,"end_s":4253,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},702,"165841","Ahora vamos a llamar por último a Anderson Miranda del movimiento Pop War.",6126.4,6137.32,{"idx":4255,"utterance_id":4256,"speaker_name":69,"text":2056,"start_s":4257,"end_s":4258,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},703,"165842",6139.82,6140.58,{"idx":4260,"utterance_id":4261,"speaker_name":69,"text":2056,"start_s":4262,"end_s":4263,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},704,"165843",6141.06,6142.18,{"idx":4265,"utterance_id":4266,"speaker_name":69,"text":4267,"start_s":4268,"end_s":4269,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},705,"165844","¿Hay algún residente aquí?",6142.44,6143.06,{"idx":4271,"utterance_id":4272,"speaker_name":69,"text":4273,"start_s":4274,"end_s":4275,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},706,"165845","Claro.",6143.44,6143.64,{"idx":4277,"utterance_id":4278,"speaker_name":69,"text":4279,"start_s":4280,"end_s":4281,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},707,"165846","Primero me gustaría hacer una pregunta sincera.",6143.68,6147.82,{"idx":4283,"utterance_id":4284,"speaker_name":69,"text":4285,"start_s":4286,"end_s":4287,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},708,"165847","¿Hay algún usuario con sus pertenencias aquí?",6148.14,6149.6,{"idx":4289,"utterance_id":4290,"speaker_name":69,"text":4291,"start_s":4292,"end_s":4293,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},709,"165848","No negociar, por favor.",6149.82,6158.08,{"idx":4295,"utterance_id":4296,"speaker_name":69,"text":4297,"start_s":4298,"end_s":4299,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},710,"165849","Un aplauso para João.",6158.2,6160.04,{"idx":4301,"utterance_id":4302,"speaker_name":69,"text":4303,"start_s":4304,"end_s":4305,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},711,"165850","Es una característica para nosotros.",6160.08,6161.08,{"idx":4307,"utterance_id":4308,"speaker_name":69,"text":4309,"start_s":4310,"end_s":4311,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},712,"165851","Sin nosotros, no se habla de ella.",6161.1,6161.66,{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":69,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},713,"165852","¿Hay un usuario de la seguridad alimentaria que vaya al Bom Prato, que levante la mano?",6161.68,6163.88,{"idx":4319,"utterance_id":4320,"speaker_name":69,"text":4321,"start_s":4322,"end_s":4323,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},714,"165853","Los que van al Bom Prato, que levanten la mano.",6164.36,6165.84,{"idx":4325,"utterance_id":4326,"speaker_name":69,"text":4327,"start_s":4328,"end_s":4329,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},715,"165854","Un aplauso para nosotros.",6165.86,6167.12,{"idx":4331,"utterance_id":4332,"speaker_name":69,"text":4333,"start_s":4334,"end_s":4335,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},716,"165855","Es importante, pero querido gobernador, no podemos decir gobernador, gobernador, porque sabemos del Borobodó que viene.",6167.16,6179.68,{"idx":4337,"utterance_id":4338,"speaker_name":69,"text":4339,"start_s":4340,"end_s":4341,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},717,"165856","Ya tenemos que hablar de futuro para asegurarnos de que cuatro estén en la cuenta.",6179.72,6183.3,{"idx":4343,"utterance_id":4344,"speaker_name":69,"text":4345,"start_s":4346,"end_s":4347,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},718,"165857","Porque el pueblo católico ya es gobernador, ¿no?",6183.58,6185.18,{"idx":4349,"utterance_id":4350,"speaker_name":69,"text":4351,"start_s":4352,"end_s":4353,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},719,"165858","En las elecciones, el día 2, vamos a decir que es gobernador.",6185.6,6188.92,{"idx":4355,"utterance_id":4356,"speaker_name":69,"text":4357,"start_s":4358,"end_s":4359,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},720,"165859","¡A por todas!",6189.16,6189.82,{"idx":4361,"utterance_id":4362,"speaker_name":69,"text":687,"start_s":4363,"end_s":4364,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},721,"165860",6190.12,6190.6,{"idx":4366,"utterance_id":4367,"speaker_name":69,"text":4368,"start_s":4369,"end_s":4370,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},722,"165861","Sin palabras.",6190.98,6191.44,{"idx":4372,"utterance_id":4373,"speaker_name":69,"text":4374,"start_s":4375,"end_s":4376,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},723,"165862","Primero quiero agradecer aquí a Daís Esposati.",6191.48,6195.68,{"idx":4378,"utterance_id":4379,"speaker_name":69,"text":3633,"start_s":4380,"end_s":4381,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},724,"165863",6196.9,6197.7,{"idx":4383,"utterance_id":4384,"speaker_name":69,"text":4385,"start_s":4386,"end_s":4387,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},725,"165864","¿Por qué estoy hablando de Daís 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habla de la política intersectorial, de crear servicios para la población a través de la intersectorialidad: salud, vivienda, asistencia social.",6213.64,6223.5,{"idx":4419,"utterance_id":4420,"speaker_name":69,"text":4421,"start_s":4422,"end_s":4423,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},731,"165870","Y esa ley no se nos quita de la cabeza, Daísa.",6224.02,6225.8,{"idx":4425,"utterance_id":4426,"speaker_name":69,"text":4427,"start_s":4428,"end_s":4429,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},732,"165871","Y hemos estado construyendo eso.",6226.5,6227.72,{"idx":4431,"utterance_id":4432,"speaker_name":69,"text":4433,"start_s":4434,"end_s":4435,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},733,"165872","Quiero traer, sé que tengo tres minutos, eran cinco, ahora es de um mil para tres, después voy a hablar ahora.",6229.04,6233.24,{"idx":4437,"utterance_id":4438,"speaker_name":69,"text":4439,"start_s":4440,"end_s":4441,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},734,"165873","Vamos a hablar aquí cara a 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Adade, mi profesor, mi alcalde, porque digo alcalde, porque fui consejero de Adade.",6265.42,6273.06,{"idx":4473,"utterance_id":4474,"speaker_name":69,"text":4475,"start_s":4476,"end_s":4477,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},740,"165879","Fui consejero de la alcaldía.",6273.72,6274.96,{"idx":4479,"utterance_id":4480,"speaker_name":69,"text":4481,"start_s":4482,"end_s":4483,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},741,"165880","Y todas las veces, en los cuatro años, Adade me escuchó.",6275.46,6279.1,{"idx":4485,"utterance_id":4486,"speaker_name":69,"text":4487,"start_s":4488,"end_s":4489,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},742,"165881","Y entregué un papelito a Tereza Federal de Adade.",6279.5,6283.04,{"idx":4491,"utterance_id":4492,"speaker_name":69,"text":4493,"start_s":4494,"end_s":4495,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},743,"165882","Miren, el Cadastro Único estaba diciendo eso, que Adade me escuchaba.",6283.4,6286.22,{"idx":4497,"utterance_id":4498,"speaker_name":69,"text":4499,"start_s":4500,"end_s":4501,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},744,"165883","Tereza sufrió una presión, cuando ella fue ministra, del movimiento de la población de Corpo.",6287.04,6291.08,{"idx":4503,"utterance_id":4504,"speaker_name":69,"text":4505,"start_s":4506,"end_s":4507,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},745,"165884","Ministra, se dice, ¿estoy mintiendo?",6291.28,6292.98,{"idx":4509,"utterance_id":4510,"speaker_name":69,"text":4511,"start_s":4512,"end_s":4513,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},746,"165885","En el encuentro con la presidenta Dilma, una de nuestras lideranzas reclamó ante la ministra.",6293.34,6297.34,{"idx":4515,"utterance_id":4516,"speaker_name":69,"text":4517,"start_s":4518,"end_s":4519,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},747,"165886","Porque la población en situación de calle estaba muy baja en el CadÚnico.",6297.76,6300.84,{"idx":4521,"utterance_id":4522,"speaker_name":69,"text":4523,"start_s":4524,"end_s":4525,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},748,"165887","Y la ministra me buscó y dijo: ¿qué vamos a hacer?",6301.46,6303.84,{"idx":4527,"utterance_id":4528,"speaker_name":69,"text":4529,"start_s":4530,"end_s":4531,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},749,"165888","Le dije, ministra, la población en situación de calle en los municipios tiene que provocar a los alcaldes y gobernadores para alimentar los datos internacionales.",6303.86,6312.2,{"idx":4533,"utterance_id":4534,"speaker_name":69,"text":4535,"start_s":4536,"end_s":4537,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},750,"165889","Eso fue exactamente.",6312.22,6313.26,{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":69,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},751,"165890","Y nosotros hicimos eso.",6313.28,6314.94,{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":69,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},752,"165891","El dato de la población en situación de calle en la ciudad de São Paulo, Haddad, alcanzó un pico.",6314.96,6318.38,{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":69,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},753,"165892","Era un pico.",6319.06,6319.7,{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":69,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},754,"165893","Y yo pedí, la gente de la Secretaría lo recordará, yo pedí eso.",6320.56,6325.56,{"idx":4563,"utterance_id":4564,"speaker_name":69,"text":4565,"start_s":4566,"end_s":4567,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},755,"165894","Quiero un mes.",6325.58,6326.8,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4569,"speaker_name":69,"text":4570,"start_s":4571,"end_s":4572,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"165895","los censistas del CadÚnico en la sede del movimiento.",6327.46,6330.22,{"idx":4574,"utterance_id":4575,"speaker_name":69,"text":4576,"start_s":4577,"end_s":4578,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},757,"165896","Y en un mes hicimos más de 2 mil registros de la población en situación de calle.",6330.48,6334.86,{"idx":4580,"utterance_id":4581,"speaker_name":69,"text":4582,"start_s":4583,"end_s":4584,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},758,"165897","Esperábamos que fuera para el Porto, CRAS, CREIA; lo hicimos allí.",6335.3,6337.64,{"idx":4586,"utterance_id":4587,"speaker_name":69,"text":4588,"start_s":4589,"end_s":4590,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},759,"165898","Y alimentamos los datos del municipio y los enviamos al federal.",6338,6340.48,{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":69,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},760,"165899","Bahía hizo eso, Minas hizo eso, Río de Janeiro hizo eso.",6340.76,6343.7,{"idx":4598,"utterance_id":4599,"speaker_name":69,"text":4600,"start_s":4601,"end_s":4602,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},761,"165900","Porque empezamos a alimentar los datos, los datos del centro.",6344,6347.76,{"idx":4604,"utterance_id":4605,"speaker_name":69,"text":4606,"start_s":4607,"end_s":4608,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},762,"165901","Hoy le dimos un golpe a la alcaldía.",6348.06,6351.22,{"idx":4610,"utterance_id":4611,"speaker_name":69,"text":4612,"start_s":4613,"end_s":4614,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},763,"165902","Porque la Alcaldía dice que tiene 31 mil personas en situación de calle.",6351.58,6354.82,{"idx":4616,"utterance_id":4617,"speaker_name":69,"text":4618,"start_s":4619,"end_s":4620,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},764,"165903","Y el CadÚnico en la ciudad de São Paulo está dando 42, 43, 44, 45 mil personas en situación de calle en la ciudad de São Paulo.",6355.12,6361.96,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":69,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},765,"165904","Entonces, para nosotros, es importante hablar cara a cara aquí.",6362.34,6366.24,{"idx":4628,"utterance_id":4629,"speaker_name":69,"text":4630,"start_s":4631,"end_s":4632,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},766,"165905","No queremos limosna.",6366.72,6367.68,{"idx":4634,"utterance_id":4635,"speaker_name":69,"text":4636,"start_s":4637,"end_s":4638,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},767,"165906","No queremos esa maldita migaja para la gente.",6368.34,6371.3,{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":69,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},768,"165907","Que es mentira.",6371.86,6372.98,{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":69,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},769,"165908","Es la pila de la pila de la desgracia.",6373.38,6375.34,{"idx":4652,"utterance_id":4653,"speaker_name":69,"text":4654,"start_s":4655,"end_s":4656,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},770,"165909","Queremos... 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señora es mi maestra y sabe eso, me convertí en servicio, esto es un material de la PUC.",6435.64,6446,{"idx":4711,"utterance_id":4712,"speaker_name":69,"text":4713,"start_s":4714,"end_s":4715,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},780,"165919","del grupo que tiene que trabajar.",6446.72,6449.36,{"idx":4717,"utterance_id":4718,"speaker_name":69,"text":4719,"start_s":4720,"end_s":4721,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},781,"165920","Me convertí en servicio.",6449.64,6450.56,{"idx":4723,"utterance_id":4724,"speaker_name":69,"text":4725,"start_s":4726,"end_s":4727,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},782,"165921","¿Y ahora?",6450.64,6451.1,{"idx":4729,"utterance_id":4730,"speaker_name":69,"text":4731,"start_s":4732,"end_s":4733,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},783,"165922","De la Revolución 109, ministro.",6451.42,6453.2,{"idx":4735,"utterance_id":4736,"speaker_name":69,"text":4737,"start_s":4738,"end_s":4739,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},784,"165923","Sabemos que se creó una revolución, pero que en 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pedirle, señor gobernador, que implemente.",6527.08,6529.82,{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":69,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},807,"165946","La política estatal para la población en situación de calle.",6530.12,6531.92,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":69,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},808,"165947","Que implemente el comité estatal, como usted hizo en São Paulo.",6532.22,6535.26,{"idx":4882,"utterance_id":4883,"speaker_name":69,"text":4884,"start_s":4885,"end_s":4886,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},809,"165948","El Pronatec estatal fue excelente cuando hicimos el Pronatec para la población en situación de calle.",6535.84,6541.16,{"idx":4888,"utterance_id":4889,"speaker_name":69,"text":4890,"start_s":4891,"end_s":4892,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},810,"165949","Más de dos mil personas en la calle trabajaron en el Pronatec, hicieron cursos en el Pronatec y entraron en el Pronatec.",6541.42,6546.74,{"idx":4894,"utterance_id":4895,"speaker_name":69,"text":4896,"start_s":4897,"end_s":4898,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},811,"165950","Eso es una persona que no trabajó, pero que acompañó, fiscalizó y entró.",6547.08,6551.2,{"idx":4900,"utterance_id":4901,"speaker_name":69,"text":4902,"start_s":4903,"end_s":4904,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},812,"165951","¿Está bien?",6551.72,6552.14,{"idx":4906,"utterance_id":4907,"speaker_name":69,"text":4908,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},813,"165952","Entonces, eh, gente, sé eso.",6552.28,6553.72,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":69,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},814,"165953","Señor, haga el encuentro de la población en situación de calle.",6554.42,6556.72,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":69,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},815,"165954","Quiero terminar haciendo la invitación a todas, a todos y a todes.",6557.02,6559.62,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":69,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},816,"165955","No estamos felices.",6560.1,6561.28,{"idx":4930,"utterance_id":4931,"speaker_name":69,"text":4932,"start_s":4933,"end_s":4934,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},817,"165956","El 19 de agosto ahora se cumplen 17 años de la masacre nacional de la población en situación de boa.",6561.88,6569.2,{"idx":4936,"utterance_id":4937,"speaker_name":69,"text":4938,"start_s":4939,"end_s":4940,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},818,"165957","Estaremos en la Praça da Sé.",6569.48,6570.88,{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":69,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},819,"165958","No es un atinho de un atinho de un indígena de vagabundo.",6571.68,6574.8,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":69,"text":4950,"start_s":4951,"end_s":4952,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},820,"165959","Es un acto en defensa.",6574.84,6576.44,{"idx":4954,"utterance_id":4955,"speaker_name":69,"text":4956,"start_s":4957,"end_s":4958,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},821,"165960","Nuestra sangre es roja.",6576.7,6577.9,{"idx":4960,"utterance_id":4961,"speaker_name":69,"text":4962,"start_s":4963,"end_s":4964,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},822,"165961","Se derrama sangre de esa población.",6578.42,6579.86,{"idx":4966,"utterance_id":4967,"speaker_name":69,"text":4968,"start_s":4969,"end_s":4970,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},823,"165962","Invito a todos, a todas y a todes a estar allí todo el día con nosotros.",6579.9,6583.64,{"idx":4972,"utterance_id":4973,"speaker_name":69,"text":4974,"start_s":4975,"end_s":4976,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},824,"165963","Las personas de la administración de boa están muriendo.",6584.02,6586.4,{"idx":4978,"utterance_id":4979,"speaker_name":69,"text":4980,"start_s":4981,"end_s":4982,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},825,"165964","Las ciudades del estado del país.",6586.92,6588.42,{"idx":4984,"utterance_id":4985,"speaker_name":69,"text":4986,"start_s":4987,"end_s":4988,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},826,"165965","Son muchísimas personas.",6588.98,6591.54,{"idx":4990,"utterance_id":4991,"speaker_name":69,"text":4992,"start_s":4993,"end_s":4994,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},827,"165966","Y vinimos aquí porque creemos en este gobierno, en este grupo que está aquí, en estos partidos que están aquí, en las personas que están aquí.",6591.96,6598.34,{"idx":4996,"utterance_id":4997,"speaker_name":69,"text":4998,"start_s":4999,"end_s":5000,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},828,"165967","Así que no nos miren como pobrecitos, como pobres.",6598.68,6601.4,{"idx":5002,"utterance_id":5003,"speaker_name":69,"text":5004,"start_s":5005,"end_s":5006,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},829,"165968","Den respeto.",6601.92,6602.64,{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":69,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},830,"165969","Le tomé posesión a la ministra Tereza Campello en su segundo mandato.",6602.66,6605.92,{"idx":5014,"utterance_id":5015,"speaker_name":69,"text":5016,"start_s":5017,"end_s":5018,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},831,"165970","Fui allí a reforzarla y a ser ser monarista de ella.",6606,6608.68,{"idx":5020,"utterance_id":5021,"speaker_name":69,"text":5022,"start_s":5023,"end_s":5024,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},832,"165971","Trabajé en muchas cosas.",6609,6609.94,{"idx":5026,"utterance_id":5027,"speaker_name":69,"text":5028,"start_s":5029,"end_s":5030,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},833,"165972","Entonces la población en situación de calle tiene dignidad, tiene condiciones y no es vagabunda como mucha gente dice.",6609.98,6614.1,{"idx":5032,"utterance_id":5033,"speaker_name":69,"text":1169,"start_s":5034,"end_s":5035,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},834,"165973",6614.14,6624.66,{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":69,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},835,"165974","Quería además finalmente señalar la presencia de Edilson Rodo, creo que es Rodo, las letras que llegan aquí no son fáciles, de Bauru, también de la Asociación de Especialistas Ambientales del Estado de São Paulo.",6627.74,6645.52,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":69,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},836,"165975","Y antes de llamar y anunciar la palabra de Fernando Haddad, quería decir algunas cosas para ustedes y para el propio Fernando.",6646.66,6655.2,{"idx":5049,"utterance_id":5050,"speaker_name":69,"text":5051,"start_s":5052,"end_s":5053,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},837,"165976","Estamos terminando ahora el último seminario.",6656.14,6658.68,{"idx":5055,"utterance_id":5056,"speaker_name":69,"text":5057,"start_s":5058,"end_s":5059,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},838,"165977","que fue, así, una experiencia muy rica, todas ellas, todas, tanto por parte de la mesa como por parte de los que participaron, los que se adhirieron, los que escucharon la convocatoria.",6659.52,6671.08,{"idx":5061,"utterance_id":5062,"speaker_name":69,"text":5063,"start_s":5064,"end_s":5065,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},839,"165978","Fueron ocho seminarios, ¿verdad?",6671.52,6672.96,{"idx":5067,"utterance_id":5068,"speaker_name":69,"text":5069,"start_s":5070,"end_s":5071,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},840,"165979","Economía, salud, seguridad, cultura, vivienda, transporte, educación, medio ambiente y este aquí del SUA CESAM.",6674.08,6686.88,{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":69,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},841,"165980","En esos seminarios tuvimos la participación de aproximadamente 3.500 personas presenciales aquí.",6688.04,6695.2,{"idx":5079,"utterance_id":5080,"speaker_name":69,"text":5081,"start_s":5082,"end_s":5083,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},842,"165981","Tuvimos también, siguiendo esos seminarios, más de 20 mil personas en línea en todos los seminarios.",6696.42,6704.62,{"idx":5085,"utterance_id":5086,"speaker_name":69,"text":5087,"start_s":5088,"end_s":5089,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},843,"165982","Tuvimos también casi 2 mil propuestas en la plataforma Fala SP, que cerró anteayer.",6705.6,6712.54,{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":69,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},844,"165983","Tuvimos, además de esos seminarios, muchas reuniones.",6714.18,6717.34,{"idx":5097,"utterance_id":5098,"speaker_name":69,"text":5099,"start_s":5100,"end_s":5101,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},845,"165984","de estudio que hicimos con la DAVE profundizando temas con especialistas y fueron más de 480 especialistas que consultamos y con los que nos reunimos en ese período.",6718.64,6730.36,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5103,"speaker_name":69,"text":5104,"start_s":5105,"end_s":5106,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},"165985","Más de 300 documentos llegaron por parte de instituciones, movimientos, personalidades a la comisión, al equipo del programa de gobierno.",6731.36,6742.34,{"idx":5108,"utterance_id":5109,"speaker_name":69,"text":5110,"start_s":5111,"end_s":5112,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},847,"165986","También antes de ese período de los seminarios hubo debates en los partidos, todos los partidos hicieron debates, hicieron contribuciones.",6743.94,6752.14,{"idx":5114,"utterance_id":5115,"speaker_name":69,"text":5116,"start_s":5117,"end_s":5118,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},848,"165987","Más de 5 mil personas presenciales en esos debates, organizados por el PT, por el PCdoB, por el PV, por el PSB, por la Rede y por el PSOL, que ahora se adhirió a nuestra frente.",6752.72,6766.4,{"idx":5120,"utterance_id":5121,"speaker_name":69,"text":5122,"start_s":5123,"end_s":5124,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},849,"165988","Más de 30 mil personas participaron de alguna forma en este esfuerzo de planificación.",6767.68,6774.98,{"idx":5126,"utterance_id":5127,"speaker_name":69,"text":5128,"start_s":5129,"end_s":5130,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},850,"165989","Quiero dedicar esto al equipo del programa de gobierno, que hizo un trabajo, ¿saben?, así, inigualable en todo este período.",6775.7,6785.06,{"idx":5132,"utterance_id":5133,"speaker_name":69,"text":5134,"start_s":5135,"end_s":5136,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},851,"165990","Y quería pedirles a ustedes un aplauso para todos ellos.",6785.56,6788.26,{"idx":5138,"utterance_id":5139,"speaker_name":69,"text":5140,"start_s":5141,"end_s":5142,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},852,"165991","El proceso es muy bueno, el programa de gobierno es muy bueno, pero para aplicarlos se necesita un gran gobernador.",6794.78,6800.4,{"idx":5144,"utterance_id":5145,"speaker_name":69,"text":5146,"start_s":5147,"end_s":5148,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},853,"165992","Y con ustedes entonces, el próximo gobernador de São Paulo, Fernando Haddad.",6801.06,6805.04,{"idx":5150,"utterance_id":5151,"speaker_name":69,"text":5152,"start_s":5153,"end_s":5154,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},854,"165993","Voy a decir mis palabras de beso.",6805.06,6814.96,{"idx":5156,"utterance_id":5157,"speaker_name":69,"text":5158,"start_s":5159,"end_s":5160,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},855,"165994","En relación al equipo que coordinó los trabajos de elaboración del programa, que es un trabajo incansable.",6816.04,6826.38,{"idx":5162,"utterance_id":5163,"speaker_name":69,"text":5164,"start_s":5165,"end_s":5166,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},856,"165995","La izquierda tiene ideas a montones.",6828.26,6829.66,{"idx":5168,"utterance_id":5169,"speaker_name":69,"text":5170,"start_s":5171,"end_s":5172,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},857,"165996","El tipo se queda maquinando cosas y mandando cosas.",6829.84,6837.64,{"idx":5174,"utterance_id":5175,"speaker_name":69,"text":5176,"start_s":5177,"end_s":5178,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},858,"165997","Y es la riqueza de nuestro campo, es exactamente 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social progresista.",6858.58,6865.14,{"idx":5209,"utterance_id":5210,"speaker_name":69,"text":5211,"start_s":5212,"end_s":5213,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},864,"166003","No estamos en los gabinetes, vamos detrás.",6865.66,6869,{"idx":5215,"utterance_id":5216,"speaker_name":69,"text":5217,"start_s":5218,"end_s":5219,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},865,"166004","La persona necesita asistencia, incluso para que tome conciencia de sus derechos.",6869.22,6874.96,{"idx":5221,"utterance_id":5222,"speaker_name":69,"text":5223,"start_s":5224,"end_s":5225,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},866,"166005","Y se vuelva protagonista de su propia vida.",6875.98,6878.72,{"idx":5227,"utterance_id":5228,"speaker_name":69,"text":5229,"start_s":5230,"end_s":5231,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},867,"166006","Es lo que queremos.",6878.78,6880.3,{"idx":5233,"utterance_id":5234,"speaker_name":69,"text":5235,"start_s":5236,"end_s":5237,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},868,"166007","Tuve la felicidad de tener grandes profesores.",6883.46,6885.62,{"idx":5239,"utterance_id":5240,"speaker_name":69,"text":5241,"start_s":5242,"end_s":5243,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},869,"166008","Y no es solo el profesor de aula, que es un grande, ¿no?",6886.26,6888.84,{"idx":5245,"utterance_id":5246,"speaker_name":69,"text":5247,"start_s":5248,"end_s":5249,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},870,"166009","También tuve el honor de ser alumno de grandes profesores de esa aula.",6889.14,6893.38,{"idx":5251,"utterance_id":5252,"speaker_name":69,"text":5253,"start_s":5254,"end_s":5255,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},871,"166010","Pero los profesores de la vida, ellos son tan importantes como, a veces más importantes, que una de mis profesoras predilectas.",6894,6904.64,{"idx":5257,"utterance_id":5258,"speaker_name":69,"text":5259,"start_s":5260,"end_s":5261,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},872,"166011","El Helder, el Helder, las explosiones.",6905.28,6907.12,{"idx":5263,"utterance_id":5264,"speaker_name":69,"text":5265,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},873,"166012","La nuestra también.",6907.18,6911.04,{"idx":5269,"utterance_id":5270,"speaker_name":69,"text":5265,"start_s":5271,"end_s":5272,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},874,"166013",6911.1,6916.08,{"idx":5274,"utterance_id":5275,"speaker_name":69,"text":5265,"start_s":5276,"end_s":5277,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},875,"166014",6916.14,6916.66,{"idx":5279,"utterance_id":5280,"speaker_name":69,"text":5281,"start_s":5282,"end_s":5283,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},876,"166015","Me gustaron tanto las intervenciones aquí, la forma que yo conocía y la forma que no conocía.",6916.8,6920.56,{"idx":5285,"utterance_id":5286,"speaker_name":69,"text":5287,"start_s":5288,"end_s":5289,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},877,"166016","Todas las intervenciones muy calificadas.",6921.4,6923.22,{"idx":5291,"utterance_id":5292,"speaker_name":69,"text":5293,"start_s":5294,"end_s":5295,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},878,"166017","Estaba hablando aquí con Abigail.",6923.28,6925.52,{"idx":5297,"utterance_id":5298,"speaker_name":69,"text":5299,"start_s":5300,"end_s":5301,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},879,"166018","Oh, Abigail, te fuiste, quiero saber de ti.",6926,6929.64,{"idx":5303,"utterance_id":5304,"speaker_name":69,"text":5305,"start_s":5306,"end_s":5307,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},880,"166019","Maravillosa.",6929.66,6930.36,{"idx":5309,"utterance_id":5310,"speaker_name":69,"text":5311,"start_s":5312,"end_s":5313,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},881,"166020","Marcelo, Karina, Esmeralda, todo el mundo aquí.",6931.3,6934.76,{"idx":5315,"utterance_id":5316,"speaker_name":69,"text":5317,"start_s":5318,"end_s":5319,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},882,"166021","Diciendo cosas muy buenas.",6935.36,6937.24,{"idx":5321,"utterance_id":5322,"speaker_name":69,"text":5323,"start_s":5324,"end_s":5325,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},883,"166022","Pero recuerdo que dejé el MEC (Ministerio de Educación) y lo hacíamos de manera correcta.",6937.8,6944.74,{"idx":5327,"utterance_id":5328,"speaker_name":69,"text":5329,"start_s":5330,"end_s":5331,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},884,"166023","No lo hacíamos a última hora.",6944.8,6946.66,{"idx":5333,"utterance_id":5334,"speaker_name":69,"text":5335,"start_s":5336,"end_s":5337,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},885,"166024","Yo salía con tiempo para estudiar lo que iba a hacer después.",6947.34,6949.76,{"idx":5339,"utterance_id":5340,"speaker_name":69,"text":5341,"start_s":5342,"end_s":5343,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},886,"166025","Para ni siquiera tener el más mínimo sentido ser candidato a alcalde sin estudiar la ciudad, el urbanismo.",6950.66,6955.7,{"idx":5345,"utterance_id":5346,"speaker_name":69,"text":5347,"start_s":5348,"end_s":5349,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},887,"166026","¿Qué es la ciudad de São Paulo?",6956.28,6957.66,{"idx":5351,"utterance_id":5352,"speaker_name":69,"text":5353,"start_s":5354,"end_s":5355,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},888,"166027","Yo me iba en enero.",6958.14,6959.1,{"idx":5357,"utterance_id":5358,"speaker_name":69,"text":5359,"start_s":5360,"end_s":5361,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},889,"166028","Me iba en abril, mayo, del cargo.",6959.66,6962.24,{"idx":5363,"utterance_id":5364,"speaker_name":69,"text":5365,"start_s":5366,"end_s":5367,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},890,"166029","Pero no razonamos así.",6962.82,6964.9,{"idx":5369,"utterance_id":5370,"speaker_name":69,"text":5371,"start_s":5372,"end_s":5373,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},891,"166030","Tengo que salir por un tiempo para estudiar.",6965.16,6968,{"idx":5375,"utterance_id":5376,"speaker_name":69,"text":5377,"start_s":5378,"end_s":5379,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},892,"166031","Y recuerdo que Aldaísa me engaña.",6969.22,6971.2,{"idx":5381,"utterance_id":5382,"speaker_name":69,"text":5383,"start_s":5384,"end_s":5385,"word_count":215,"indexable":74},893,"166032","Además, Eliane Maricato, Bruno Duque, Raquel Ronic, en el área de urbanismo, luego João Huita; Aldaísa no pertenecía al área de asistencia.",6971.56,6980.62,{"idx":5387,"utterance_id":5388,"speaker_name":69,"text":5389,"start_s":5390,"end_s":5391,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},894,"166033","Pasó dos o tres tardes allá en el territorio municipal del PT, dándome clases.",6980.68,6986.66,{"idx":5393,"utterance_id":5394,"speaker_name":69,"text":5395,"start_s":5396,"end_s":5397,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},895,"166034","Y yo, haciendo esas preguntas de quien no sabe, que son las mejores preguntas.",6987.32,6990.6,{"idx":5399,"utterance_id":5400,"speaker_name":69,"text":5401,"start_s":5402,"end_s":5403,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},896,"166035","Es la pregunta de quien no sabe de lo que está hablando.",6991.6,6993.78,{"idx":5405,"utterance_id":5406,"speaker_name":69,"text":5407,"start_s":5408,"end_s":5409,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},897,"166036","para ir mapeando el concepto de la asistencia.",6994.26,6996.8,{"idx":5411,"utterance_id":5412,"speaker_name":69,"text":5413,"start_s":5414,"end_s":5415,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},898,"166037","¿Qué era la asistencia?",6996.92,6998.42,{"idx":5417,"utterance_id":5418,"speaker_name":69,"text":5419,"start_s":5420,"end_s":5421,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},899,"166038","No son cosas simples de entender.",6998.44,7000.92,{"idx":5423,"utterance_id":5424,"speaker_name":69,"text":5425,"start_s":5426,"end_s":5427,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},900,"166039","No sirve que digamos, ah, eres burro, no entiendes.",7001.58,7004.82,{"idx":5429,"utterance_id":5430,"speaker_name":69,"text":5431,"start_s":5432,"end_s":5433,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},901,"166040","Son conceptos que se elaboraron a lo largo de décadas.",7005,7008.76,{"idx":5435,"utterance_id":5436,"speaker_name":69,"text":5437,"start_s":5438,"end_s":5439,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},902,"166041","Muchos pensadores, mucha gente reflexionó.",7009.14,7012.02,{"idx":5441,"utterance_id":5442,"speaker_name":69,"text":5443,"start_s":5444,"end_s":5445,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},903,"166042","Como yo venía de la educación, sabía el trabajo que me costó ser ministro de Educación, cuánto tuve que aprender.",7012.04,7017.76,{"idx":5447,"utterance_id":5448,"speaker_name":69,"text":5449,"start_s":5450,"end_s":5451,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},904,"166043","A pesar de ser doctor en filosofía, me llevó tiempo.",7018.86,7022.1,{"idx":5453,"utterance_id":5454,"speaker_name":69,"text":5455,"start_s":5456,"end_s":5457,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},905,"166044","haber pasado por el Caderno de Belém, el dominio que tienes que tener de la literatura para comandar un MEC (Ministerio de Educación) y hacer lo que hicimos allí exige mucho esfuerzo, mucho esfuerzo.",7022.12,7035.6,{"idx":5459,"utterance_id":5460,"speaker_name":69,"text":5461,"start_s":5462,"end_s":5463,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},906,"166045","No es algo que cae del cielo; es algo a lo que mucha gente se sumó allí para producir resultados que hasta hoy la población saluda.",7035.62,7044.88,{"idx":5465,"utterance_id":5466,"speaker_name":69,"text":5467,"start_s":5468,"end_s":5469,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},907,"166046","Y aquí, en la ciudad de São Paulo, viví una experiencia muy rica.",7045.94,7050.18,{"idx":5471,"utterance_id":5472,"speaker_name":69,"text":5473,"start_s":5474,"end_s":5475,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},908,"166047","que ya estaba empezando, si ustedes quieren recordar bien, ya estaba empezando esa onda fascistoide.",7050.86,7057.62,{"idx":5477,"utterance_id":5478,"speaker_name":69,"text":5479,"start_s":5480,"end_s":5481,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},909,"166048","Ya estaba.",7057.88,7059.18,{"idx":5483,"utterance_id":5484,"speaker_name":69,"text":5485,"start_s":5486,"end_s":5487,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},910,"166049","Ya estaba realmente fuera de lugar.",7059.22,7060.98,{"idx":5489,"utterance_id":5490,"speaker_name":69,"text":5491,"start_s":5492,"end_s":5493,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},911,"166050","Sí, la gente ya estaba.",7061.7,7062.74,{"idx":5495,"utterance_id":5496,"speaker_name":69,"text":5497,"start_s":5498,"end_s":5499,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},912,"166051","Ah, ¿qué historia es esa de bondad?",7062.88,7065.04,{"idx":5501,"utterance_id":5502,"speaker_name":69,"text":5503,"start_s":5504,"end_s":5505,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},913,"166052","¿Qué historia es esa de acogida?",7065.06,7066.78,{"idx":5507,"utterance_id":5508,"speaker_name":69,"text":5509,"start_s":5510,"end_s":5511,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},914,"166053","¿Qué historia?",7066.96,7067.34,{"idx":5513,"utterance_id":5514,"speaker_name":69,"text":5515,"start_s":5516,"end_s":5517,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},915,"166054","¿Qué mimimi?",7067.38,7067.9,{"idx":5519,"utterance_id":5520,"speaker_name":69,"text":5521,"start_s":5522,"end_s":5523,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},916,"166055","Ellos usaban esa distracción.",7068.08,7069.86,{"idx":5525,"utterance_id":5526,"speaker_name":69,"text":5527,"start_s":5528,"end_s":5529,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},917,"166056","Todo es mimimi, todo es mimimi.",7070.12,7071.78,{"idx":5531,"utterance_id":5532,"speaker_name":69,"text":5533,"start_s":5534,"end_s":5535,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},918,"166057","Recuerdo, yo con Tereza, ¿cuántas veces, cuántas veces, cuántas llamadas telefónicas?",7072.9,7078.34,{"idx":5537,"utterance_id":5538,"speaker_name":69,"text":5539,"start_s":5540,"end_s":5541,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},919,"166058","para que pusiéramos el beneficio de prestación continuada en la escuela, el BPC en la escuela, que tenía un objetivo: el niño con discapacidad de baja renta tiene derecho al BPC.",7078.8,7090.3,{"idx":5543,"utterance_id":5544,"speaker_name":69,"text":5545,"start_s":5546,"end_s":5547,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},920,"166059","Hicimos un cruce de datos; a partir de 2006 se empezó a hacer el censo, no de forma bovina, contando cabezas, ¿saben?",7091.24,7100.3,{"idx":5549,"utterance_id":5550,"speaker_name":69,"text":5551,"start_s":5552,"end_s":5553,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},921,"166060","¿Cuántas cabezas de ganado tenemos en el pasto?",7100.7,7102.92,{"idx":5555,"utterance_id":5556,"speaker_name":69,"text":5557,"start_s":5558,"end_s":5559,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},922,"166061","Queríamos saber el nombre de las personas, si realmente estaban matriculadas.",7103.32,7107.52,{"idx":5561,"utterance_id":5562,"speaker_name":69,"text":5563,"start_s":5564,"end_s":5565,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},923,"166062","En qué año estaban matriculadas.",7107.94,7109.42,{"idx":5567,"utterance_id":5568,"speaker_name":69,"text":5569,"start_s":5570,"end_s":5571,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},924,"166063","Si habían pasado de año o no.",7109.74,7111.24,{"idx":5573,"utterance_id":5574,"speaker_name":69,"text":5575,"start_s":5576,"end_s":5577,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},925,"166064","Si se habían cambiado de escuela o no.",7112.26,7113.64,{"idx":5579,"utterance_id":5580,"speaker_name":69,"text":5581,"start_s":5582,"end_s":5583,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},926,"166065","Si habían abandonado la escuela y regresado o no.",7114.22,7116.28,{"idx":5585,"utterance_id":5586,"speaker_name":69,"text":5587,"start_s":5588,"end_s":5589,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},927,"166066","Queríamos saber quiénes eran las personas.",7116.9,7118.74,{"idx":5591,"utterance_id":5592,"speaker_name":69,"text":5593,"start_s":5594,"end_s":5595,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},928,"166067","Brasil, con las dimensiones de este país, fue el primer país del mundo en hacer un censo por persona.",7119.22,7125.96,{"idx":5597,"utterance_id":5598,"speaker_name":69,"text":5599,"start_s":5600,"end_s":5601,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},929,"166068","No por conteo de cabezas.",7126.76,7128.78,{"idx":5603,"utterance_id":5604,"speaker_name":69,"text":5605,"start_s":5606,"end_s":5607,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},930,"166069","Por persona.",7129.7,7130.34,{"idx":5609,"utterance_id":5610,"speaker_name":69,"text":5611,"start_s":5612,"end_s":5613,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},931,"166070","Nombre, nombre de la madre, nombre del padre.",7130.44,7131.96,{"idx":5615,"utterance_id":5616,"speaker_name":69,"text":5617,"start_s":5618,"end_s":5619,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},932,"166071","Todo.",7132.4,7132.7,{"idx":5621,"utterance_id":5622,"speaker_name":69,"text":5623,"start_s":5624,"end_s":5625,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},933,"166072","Queríamos saber todo sobre el niño.",7132.72,7134.12,{"idx":5627,"utterance_id":5628,"speaker_name":69,"text":5629,"start_s":5630,"end_s":5631,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},934,"166073","¿Para qué?",7134.54,7134.9,{"idx":5633,"utterance_id":5634,"speaker_name":69,"text":5635,"start_s":5636,"end_s":5637,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},935,"166074","¿Para entrometerse en la vida del niño?",7134.98,7136.34,{"idx":5639,"utterance_id":5640,"speaker_name":69,"text":5641,"start_s":5642,"end_s":5643,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},936,"166075","No, para... preservar su derecho a la educación, saber el paradero de ese niño y poder apoyar a los municipios en su tarea constitucional de acoger en las escuelas a los niños.",7136.36,7148.22,{"idx":5645,"utterance_id":5646,"speaker_name":69,"text":5647,"start_s":5648,"end_s":5649,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},937,"166076","¿Qué descubrimos?",7148.26,7150.36,{"idx":5651,"utterance_id":5652,"speaker_name":69,"text":5653,"start_s":5649,"end_s":5654,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},938,"166077","500 mil niños beneficiarios del BPC fuera de la escuela, en edad escolar.",7154.08,{"idx":5656,"utterance_id":5657,"speaker_name":69,"text":5658,"start_s":5659,"end_s":5660,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},939,"166078","Recordando que ampliamos la edad escolar, que era de 8 años, de 7 a 14; la ampliamos a 14 años, de 4 a 17.",7155.4,7164.74,{"idx":5662,"utterance_id":5663,"speaker_name":69,"text":5664,"start_s":5665,"end_s":5666,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},940,"166079","Así fue como cambió Brasil.",7165.68,7169.04,{"idx":5668,"utterance_id":5669,"speaker_name":69,"text":5670,"start_s":5671,"end_s":5672,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},941,"166080","Ahora tienes la obligatoriedad de matrícula.",7169.36,7171.48,{"idx":5674,"utterance_id":5675,"speaker_name":69,"text":5676,"start_s":5677,"end_s":5678,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},942,"166081","Cuatro años.",7171.62,7172.4,{"idx":5680,"utterance_id":5681,"speaker_name":69,"text":5682,"start_s":5683,"end_s":5684,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},943,"166082","Y hasta los 17.",7173.04,7173.46,{"idx":5686,"utterance_id":5687,"speaker_name":69,"text":5688,"start_s":5689,"end_s":5690,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},944,"166083","Y era de los 7 a los 14.",7173.76,7176.56,{"idx":5692,"utterance_id":5693,"speaker_name":69,"text":5694,"start_s":5695,"end_s":5696,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},945,"166084","Y aun así, se alcanzó el 100%.",7177.18,7180.26,{"idx":5698,"utterance_id":5699,"speaker_name":69,"text":5700,"start_s":5696,"end_s":5701,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},946,"166085","El 100 nunca se alcanzó, ¿no?",7181.92,{"idx":5703,"utterance_id":5704,"speaker_name":69,"text":5705,"start_s":5706,"end_s":5707,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},947,"166086","Se alcanzó el 97, 98% de los niños de 7 a 14 años matriculados.",7181.96,7188.02,{"idx":5709,"utterance_id":5710,"speaker_name":69,"text":5711,"start_s":5712,"end_s":5713,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},948,"166087","A finales del siglo XX.",7188.3,7189.94,{"idx":5715,"utterance_id":5716,"speaker_name":69,"text":5717,"start_s":5718,"end_s":5719,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},949,"166088","Imagínense ustedes.",7190,7192.58,{"idx":5721,"utterance_id":5722,"speaker_name":69,"text":5723,"start_s":5724,"end_s":5725,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},950,"166089","A finales del siglo XX, conseguimos... la enseñanza obligatoria de ocho años.",7194.24,7200.48,{"idx":5727,"utterance_id":5728,"speaker_name":69,"text":5729,"start_s":5730,"end_s":5731,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},951,"166090","Entonces, si vamos a conocer la educación tan recientemente, la salud, aún más recientemente, el SUS es de 88.",7201.76,7210.42,{"idx":5733,"utterance_id":5734,"speaker_name":69,"text":5735,"start_s":5736,"end_s":5737,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},952,"166091","El SUS ya es un legado de nuestros gobiernos.",7212.2,7215.68,{"idx":5739,"utterance_id":5740,"speaker_name":69,"text":5741,"start_s":5742,"end_s":5743,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},953,"166092","Pero esas estructuras que hay que montar, Luísa empezó hablando de eso, los trabajos allí.",7216.4,7223.34,{"idx":5745,"utterance_id":5746,"speaker_name":69,"text":5747,"start_s":5748,"end_s":5749,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},954,"166093","Montar esas estructuras te lleva una generación.",7223.42,7229.48,{"idx":5751,"utterance_id":5752,"speaker_name":69,"text":5753,"start_s":5754,"end_s":5755,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},955,"166094","Una generación de profesionales, servidores públicos, trabajando en beneficio de eso.",7230.28,7234.98,{"idx":5757,"utterance_id":5758,"speaker_name":69,"text":5759,"start_s":5760,"end_s":5761,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},956,"166095","Si en cuanto a la educación apenas recientemente logramos estructurar un sistema educativo digno de ese nombre; en cuanto al SUS, sólo ahora la élite económica de este país empieza a hacer una transición respecto al SUS.",7236.44,7250.46,{"idx":5763,"utterance_id":5764,"speaker_name":69,"text":5765,"start_s":5766,"end_s":5767,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},957,"166096","Esta pandemia les hará entender el SUS.",7250.96,7253.42,{"idx":5769,"utterance_id":5770,"speaker_name":69,"text":5771,"start_s":5772,"end_s":5773,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},958,"166097","El Mandetta allí está a favor de los planes privados.",7254.88,7257.28,{"idx":5775,"utterance_id":5776,"speaker_name":69,"text":5777,"start_s":5778,"end_s":5779,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},959,"166098","Gente, andar en bata de un lado a otro, ¿no?",7257.46,7260.06,{"idx":5781,"utterance_id":5782,"speaker_name":69,"text":5783,"start_s":5784,"end_s":5785,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},960,"166099","En serio, ¿no?",7261.18,7262.32,{"idx":5787,"utterance_id":5788,"speaker_name":69,"text":5789,"start_s":5790,"end_s":5791,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},961,"166100","Descubrir el SUS.",7262.34,7263.1,{"idx":5793,"utterance_id":5794,"speaker_name":69,"text":5795,"start_s":5796,"end_s":5797,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},962,"166101","El SUS, nadie ni siquiera sabe que existe.",7264.88,7266.56,{"idx":5799,"utterance_id":5800,"speaker_name":69,"text":5801,"start_s":5802,"end_s":5803,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},963,"166102","Esa es la realidad.",7267.66,7268.86,{"idx":5805,"utterance_id":5806,"speaker_name":69,"text":5807,"start_s":5808,"end_s":5809,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},964,"166103","Si les preguntas a 100 brasileños, ¿cuántos saben lo que es el SUS?",7268.88,7272.76,{"idx":5811,"utterance_id":5812,"speaker_name":69,"text":5813,"start_s":5814,"end_s":5815,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},965,"166104","Ni idea cuántos, 10, 9, 10, también puede ser eso.",7273.04,7276.52,{"idx":5817,"utterance_id":5818,"speaker_name":69,"text":5819,"start_s":5820,"end_s":5821,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},966,"166105","El SUS ya no.",7277.2,7278.52,{"idx":5823,"utterance_id":5824,"speaker_name":69,"text":5825,"start_s":5826,"end_s":5827,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},967,"166106","Ya no es algo para uno.",7278.98,7280.14,{"idx":5829,"utterance_id":5830,"speaker_name":69,"text":5831,"start_s":5832,"end_s":5833,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},968,"166107","Entonces tendremos que trabajar en esa dirección.",7280.66,7283.84,{"idx":5835,"utterance_id":5836,"speaker_name":69,"text":5837,"start_s":5838,"end_s":5839,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},969,"166108","Hacer que la gente entienda.",7284.74,7289.1,{"idx":5841,"utterance_id":5842,"speaker_name":69,"text":5843,"start_s":5844,"end_s":5845,"word_count":193,"indexable":74},970,"166109","Lo que falta es una visión de lo que es el Sur, una visión integrada de lo que es el Sur.",7289.12,7293.78,{"idx":5847,"utterance_id":5848,"speaker_name":69,"text":5849,"start_s":5850,"end_s":5851,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},971,"166110","Empezamos aquí, cuando llegamos a la alcaldía, preguntamos cuál es la población más vulnerable; no voy a decir el término que usé en la reunión, pero ustedes se lo imaginan.",7294.56,7308.06,{"idx":5853,"utterance_id":5854,"speaker_name":69,"text":5855,"start_s":5856,"end_s":5857,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},972,"166111","Empecemos por ahí, por ese ciudadano al que nadie mira a la cara; nosotros lo vamos a mirar.",7309.24,7315.4,{"idx":5859,"utterance_id":5860,"speaker_name":69,"text":5861,"start_s":5862,"end_s":5863,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},973,"166112","Aquel del que nadie quiere saber.",7316.46,7318,{"idx":5865,"utterance_id":5866,"speaker_name":69,"text":5867,"start_s":5868,"end_s":5869,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},974,"166113","El par es de la sociedad.",7319.54,7320.72,{"idx":5871,"utterance_id":5872,"speaker_name":69,"text":5873,"start_s":5874,"end_s":5875,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},975,"166114","¿Quiénes son esas personas?",7320.76,7321.82,{"idx":5877,"utterance_id":5878,"speaker_name":69,"text":5879,"start_s":5880,"end_s":5881,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},976,"166115","Entonces dije: empecemos dando un ejemplo de cómo es la relación entre lo público y el individuo, con el ciudadano que necesita nuestro apoyo.",7322.9,7335.18,{"idx":5883,"utterance_id":5884,"speaker_name":69,"text":5885,"start_s":5886,"end_s":5887,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},977,"166116","Empecemos por lo más difícil.",7335.48,7337.78,{"idx":5889,"utterance_id":5890,"speaker_name":69,"text":5891,"start_s":5892,"end_s":5893,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},978,"166117","Y obviamente surgió la cuestión de la Cracolândia y el problema Praça Abertos y esa elevada mortalidad de la población trans.",7339.06,7347.64,{"idx":5895,"utterance_id":5896,"speaker_name":69,"text":5897,"start_s":5898,"end_s":5899,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},979,"166118","que no pasa de los 40 años, y entonces lanzamos el Transcidadania.",7348.34,7353,{"idx":5901,"utterance_id":5902,"speaker_name":69,"text":5903,"start_s":5904,"end_s":5905,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},980,"166119","¿Por qué lanzamos esos dos programas?",7353.54,7355.56,{"idx":5907,"utterance_id":5908,"speaker_name":69,"text":5909,"start_s":5910,"end_s":5911,"word_count":310,"indexable":74},981,"166120","Dije: comencemos mostrando a la sociedad que nadie se quedará atrás, que nuestro gobierno no va a discriminar a nadie, que vamos a mostrar el camino para que todo el mundo dé un pasito adelante, evolucione, progrese, se desarrolle y potencie sus capacidades.",7356.38,7375.28,{"idx":5913,"utterance_id":5914,"speaker_name":69,"text":5915,"start_s":5916,"end_s":5917,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},982,"166121","Daremos una demostración.",7376.24,7377.46,{"idx":5919,"utterance_id":5920,"speaker_name":69,"text":5921,"start_s":5922,"end_s":5923,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},983,"166122","de que es posible humanizar São Paulo.",7378.2,7380.64,{"idx":5925,"utterance_id":5926,"speaker_name":69,"text":5927,"start_s":5928,"end_s":5929,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},984,"166123","Humanizar São Paulo.",7381.74,7383.16,{"idx":5931,"utterance_id":5932,"speaker_name":69,"text":5933,"start_s":5934,"end_s":5935,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},985,"166124","Y pusimos en pie esos dos programas.",7383.18,7384.84,{"idx":5937,"utterance_id":5938,"speaker_name":69,"text":5939,"start_s":5940,"end_s":5941,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},986,"166125","Uno fue liquidado.",7385.34,7387.24,{"idx":5943,"utterance_id":5944,"speaker_name":69,"text":5945,"start_s":5946,"end_s":5947,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},987,"166126","Imagínense ustedes poner a esa población en la calle, de vuelta a la calle, y demoler los hoteles que los alojaban, incluso con gente dentro.",7387.46,7398.4,{"idx":5949,"utterance_id":5950,"speaker_name":69,"text":5951,"start_s":5952,"end_s":5953,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},988,"166127","Es una locura.",7398.9,7401.98,{"idx":5955,"utterance_id":5956,"speaker_name":69,"text":5957,"start_s":5958,"end_s":5959,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},989,"166128","El Transcidadania, no sé hace cuántos años, pero no tiene ninguna visibilidad.",7403.14,7406.76,{"idx":5961,"utterance_id":5962,"speaker_name":69,"text":5963,"start_s":5964,"end_s":5965,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},990,"166129","Creo que debe estar dando resultado.",7406.78,7408.06,{"idx":5967,"utterance_id":5968,"speaker_name":69,"text":5969,"start_s":5970,"end_s":5971,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},991,"166130","Así, deben estar haciendo algo para que él pierda importancia.",7408.74,7412.54,{"idx":5973,"utterance_id":5974,"speaker_name":69,"text":5975,"start_s":5976,"end_s":5977,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},992,"166131","Y creo que nuestra tarea del SUAS, que es estructurar el servicio, tiene que... Es un trabajo que nos va a exigir mucho.",7414.36,7425.94,{"idx":5979,"utterance_id":5980,"speaker_name":69,"text":5981,"start_s":5982,"end_s":5983,"word_count":142,"indexable":74},993,"166132","Va a exigir... Porque, en cuanto a la cuestión de la asistencia, a diferencia... Todo el mundo entiende qué es la salud y la educación, porque esos conceptos están... Todavía no están, pero se van consolidando.",7426.56,7441.84,{"idx":5985,"utterance_id":5986,"speaker_name":69,"text":5987,"start_s":5988,"end_s":5989,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},994,"166133","Hay 200 años de historia del sistema público mundial.",7442.68,7445.66,{"idx":5991,"utterance_id":5992,"speaker_name":69,"text":5993,"start_s":5994,"end_s":5995,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},995,"166134","Empezó con la Revolución Francesa.",7446.14,7448.14,{"idx":5997,"utterance_id":5998,"speaker_name":69,"text":5999,"start_s":6000,"end_s":6001,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},996,"166135","Entonces se empezó a tener esa discusión sobre el sistema público, la educación pública desde hace mucho tiempo.",7448.44,7453.6,{"idx":6003,"utterance_id":6004,"speaker_name":69,"text":6005,"start_s":6006,"end_s":6007,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},997,"166136","La salud pública es algo más reciente.",7454.18,7456.04,{"idx":6009,"utterance_id":6010,"speaker_name":69,"text":6011,"start_s":6012,"end_s":6013,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},998,"166137","La salud pública no es tan antigua como la educación pública.",7456.78,7460.22,{"idx":6015,"utterance_id":6016,"speaker_name":69,"text":6017,"start_s":6018,"end_s":6019,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},999,"166138","Es un concepto más reciente.",7460.4,7461.62,{"idx":6021,"utterance_id":6022,"speaker_name":69,"text":6023,"start_s":6024,"end_s":6025,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1000,"166139","Y la asistencia social pública también.",7462.04,7464.72,{"idx":6027,"utterance_id":6028,"speaker_name":69,"text":6029,"start_s":6030,"end_s":6031,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1001,"166140","Lo que se tenía... Era asistencia social en los modos de lo que Vigaril nos decía aquí.",7465.46,7470.64,{"idx":6033,"utterance_id":6034,"speaker_name":69,"text":6035,"start_s":6036,"end_s":6037,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1002,"166141","Algo puntual, particularista, y que tenía carácter universal.",7471.14,7475.76,{"idx":6039,"utterance_id":6040,"speaker_name":69,"text":6041,"start_s":6042,"end_s":6043,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1003,"166142","Incluso por la ausencia del Estado, a decir la verdad, y vamos a condenar a esas entidades, que crecieron por la ausencia y omisión del Estado.",7477.48,7487.9,{"idx":6045,"utterance_id":6046,"speaker_name":69,"text":6047,"start_s":6048,"end_s":6049,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},1004,"166143","Y muchas de ellas tienen esa comprensión, de que no fue algo en que ellas se apropiaran de lo público.",7489.7,7496.4,{"idx":6051,"utterance_id":6052,"speaker_name":69,"text":6053,"start_s":6054,"end_s":6055,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1005,"166144","¿Cómo que no existía?",7496.96,7497.86,{"idx":6057,"utterance_id":6058,"speaker_name":69,"text":6059,"start_s":6060,"end_s":6061,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},1006,"166145","Y ellas empezaron, tanto que es como si hubieran hecho un bello acuerdo con las APAES, para decir lo siguiente: ustedes pueden tener un papel en la sociedad.",7499.12,7508.68,{"idx":6063,"utterance_id":6064,"speaker_name":69,"text":6065,"start_s":6066,"end_s":6067,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1007,"166146","Queremos que ustedes lo tengan.",7509.48,7510.9,{"idx":6069,"utterance_id":6070,"speaker_name":69,"text":6071,"start_s":6072,"end_s":6073,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},1008,"166147","Pero hagan eso en el segundo turno, para aquellas niñas y niños con discapacidad severa, y dejen el primer turno para la socialización del niño en la escuela pública y en el aula regular.",7511.52,7522.06,{"idx":6075,"utterance_id":6076,"speaker_name":69,"text":6077,"start_s":6078,"end_s":6079,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1009,"166148","Están construyendo el Fundeb.",7522.08,7524.76,{"idx":6081,"utterance_id":6082,"speaker_name":69,"text":6083,"start_s":6084,"end_s":6085,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},1010,"166149","Con las entidades, sin discriminar, porque sabemos el trato que han tenido a lo largo de la historia.",7525.72,7532.18,{"idx":6087,"utterance_id":6088,"speaker_name":69,"text":6089,"start_s":6090,"end_s":6091,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},1011,"166150","Todo eso es una construcción por inteligencia, por sabiduría, por cuidado, por un talento que desarrollamos para lidiar con esas situaciones.",7532.5,7542.96,{"idx":6093,"utterance_id":6094,"speaker_name":69,"text":6095,"start_s":6096,"end_s":6097,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1012,"166151","Y creo que el SUS tiene que ser construido por ahí.",7543.74,7546.34,{"idx":6099,"utterance_id":6100,"speaker_name":69,"text":6101,"start_s":6102,"end_s":6103,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1013,"166152","Lo vergonzoso no es nada de eso.",7546.38,7549.78,{"idx":6105,"utterance_id":6106,"speaker_name":69,"text":6107,"start_s":6108,"end_s":6109,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1014,"166153","Vamos a saber enfrentar el desafío.",7551.4,7553.36,{"idx":6111,"utterance_id":6112,"speaker_name":69,"text":6113,"start_s":6114,"end_s":6115,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1015,"166154","Lo vergonzoso... Es la situación del estado de São Paulo en el conjunto de los estados.",7553.38,7560.22,{"idx":6117,"utterance_id":6118,"speaker_name":69,"text":6119,"start_s":6120,"end_s":6121,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},1016,"166155","El estado que debería liderar el proceso, además porque tiene más fuerza, es más rico.",7561.54,7567.38,{"idx":6123,"utterance_id":6124,"speaker_name":69,"text":6125,"start_s":6126,"end_s":6127,"word_count":274,"indexable":74},1017,"166156","El estado que debería tener el 22% de la población aquí, un estado que tiene casi una cuarta parte de la población, debería justamente, en la cuestión ambiental, en la cuestión de ciencia y tecnología, en la cuestión de la asistencia, dar ejemplo.",7567.4,7581.94,{"idx":6129,"utterance_id":6130,"speaker_name":69,"text":6131,"start_s":6132,"end_s":6133,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1018,"166157","Como mínimo, ser vitrina de algunas políticas públicas.",7583.1,7586.22,{"idx":6135,"utterance_id":6136,"speaker_name":69,"text":6137,"start_s":6138,"end_s":6139,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1019,"166158","Y no lo es. Y cada vez deja de serlo.",7586.72,7590.76,{"idx":6141,"utterance_id":6142,"speaker_name":69,"text":6143,"start_s":6144,"end_s":6145,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},1020,"166159","No lo era. Incluso cuando yo estaba en el MEC (Ministerio de Educación), recuerdo que ellos copiaban algunas cosas, lo cual era estupendo.",7591.96,7601.26,{"idx":6147,"utterance_id":6148,"speaker_name":69,"text":6149,"start_s":6150,"end_s":6151,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1021,"166160","Ponían ESP al final, para diferenciarlos de nosotros, pero era lo que hacíamos.",7601.86,7606.62,{"idx":6153,"utterance_id":6154,"speaker_name":69,"text":6155,"start_s":6156,"end_s":6157,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1022,"166161","Entonces, lanzábamos la Universidade Aberta do Brasil, Univesp.",7607.16,7610.66,{"idx":6159,"utterance_id":6160,"speaker_name":69,"text":6161,"start_s":6162,"end_s":6163,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1023,"166162","Está bien.",7610.72,7611.64,{"idx":6165,"utterance_id":6166,"speaker_name":69,"text":6167,"start_s":6168,"end_s":6169,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1024,"166163","No hay problema.",7611.68,7613.4,{"idx":6171,"utterance_id":6172,"speaker_name":69,"text":6173,"start_s":6174,"end_s":6175,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},1025,"166164","Con cariño, no lo hace, dijo que fuiste tú, si todavía estuvieran haciendo eso, sería estupendo, pero ni eso hacen ya; al contrario, están desmontando el servicio público en varias áreas.",7614.32,7626.36,{"idx":6177,"utterance_id":6178,"speaker_name":69,"text":6179,"start_s":6180,"end_s":6181,"word_count":242,"indexable":74},1026,"166165","Ahora, creo que aquí tenemos, solo por las intervenciones, a quienes nos han escuchado aquí, a quienes saludo, les deseo buenas noches; los que nos están viendo han visto la calidad de las intervenciones.",7628.24,7638.44,{"idx":6183,"utterance_id":6184,"speaker_name":69,"text":6185,"start_s":6186,"end_s":6187,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1027,"166166","¿No es así?",7639.6,7639.84,{"idx":6189,"utterance_id":6190,"speaker_name":69,"text":6191,"start_s":6192,"end_s":6193,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},1028,"166167","No partimos de cero, tenemos mucho acumulado.",7640.36,7643.68,{"idx":6195,"utterance_id":6196,"speaker_name":69,"text":6197,"start_s":6198,"end_s":6199,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1029,"166168","para hacer la diferencia rápidamente, porque no se hace nada.",7644.28,7648.64,{"idx":6201,"utterance_id":6202,"speaker_name":69,"text":6203,"start_s":6204,"end_s":6205,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},1030,"166169","Entonces cualquier mexida de CD va a aparecer y va a estimular a la militancia, la asistencia, los profesionales y los usuarios.",7649.4,7658.6,{"idx":6207,"utterance_id":6208,"speaker_name":69,"text":6209,"start_s":6210,"end_s":6211,"word_count":150,"indexable":74},1031,"166170","Como nuestro corrobodó dijo aquí, el usuario formaba parte de nuestras preocupaciones.",7659.3,7664.1,{"idx":6213,"utterance_id":6214,"speaker_name":69,"text":6215,"start_s":6216,"end_s":6217,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},1032,"166171","Es curioso que cuando entrevistaban a los especialistas... Nunca vi en el país especialistas que no entienden nada del asunto.",7665.16,7674.5,{"idx":6219,"utterance_id":6220,"speaker_name":69,"text":6221,"start_s":6222,"end_s":6223,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},1033,"166172","Parece que la prensa va directo al tipo que no entiende del asunto y lo llama especialista.",7675.42,7683.06,{"idx":6225,"utterance_id":6226,"speaker_name":69,"text":6227,"start_s":6228,"end_s":6229,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},1034,"166173","Y entonces ellos decían, los especialistas, decían, con los brazos abiertos, con los brazos abiertos a eso, la internación, si es mejor, si es peor.",7684.22,7692.5,{"idx":6231,"utterance_id":6232,"speaker_name":69,"text":6233,"start_s":6234,"end_s":6235,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},1035,"166174","Yo dije, ¿por qué no entrevistan al beneficiario?",7692.52,7695.76,{"idx":6237,"utterance_id":6238,"speaker_name":69,"text":6239,"start_s":6240,"end_s":6241,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1036,"166175","Pregúntenle si su vida mejoró.",7696.72,7699.4,{"idx":6243,"utterance_id":6244,"speaker_name":69,"text":6245,"start_s":6246,"end_s":6247,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1037,"166176","Mi papel aquí es mejorar su vida.",7700,7702.04,{"idx":6249,"utterance_id":6250,"speaker_name":69,"text":6251,"start_s":6252,"end_s":6253,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},1038,"166177","Si su vida mejoró, si él está diciendo que el techo hizo diferencia, si él está diciendo que referenciar al CAPSAD hizo diferencia, si él está diciendo que el frente de trabajo hizo diferencia, ¿qué demonios está diciendo ese especialista?",7702.86,7721.64,{"idx":6255,"utterance_id":6256,"speaker_name":69,"text":6257,"start_s":6258,"end_s":6259,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1039,"166178","Joder, habla con el tipo.",7722.26,7723.46,{"idx":6261,"utterance_id":6262,"speaker_name":69,"text":6263,"start_s":6264,"end_s":6265,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},1040,"166179","Entonces hicieron, dijeron, ah, vamos a hacer una evaluación externa.",7724.66,7727.74,{"idx":6267,"utterance_id":6268,"speaker_name":69,"text":6269,"start_s":6270,"end_s":6271,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1041,"166180","Hagan una evaluación externa.",7727.9,7729.26,{"idx":6273,"utterance_id":6274,"speaker_name":69,"text":6275,"start_s":6276,"end_s":6277,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1042,"166181","Dos tercios de reducción del consumo de drogas, 40% de caída de la criminalidad.",7729.94,7735.58,{"idx":6279,"utterance_id":6280,"speaker_name":69,"text":6281,"start_s":6282,"end_s":6283,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},1043,"166182","Entonces lo tiran todo.",7738.18,7739.2,{"idx":6285,"utterance_id":6286,"speaker_name":69,"text":6287,"start_s":6288,"end_s":6289,"word_count":355,"indexable":74},1044,"166183","Esas cosas que me matan, me... Ah, quieres ayudar, y el tipo ideologiza el debate, adopta el negacionismo, no quiere ver la evidencia empírica, no quiere ver lo que funciona, y sin la menor preocupación por la vida de un semejante, dinamita una política pública.",7739.92,7761.12,{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":69,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1045,"166184","para parecer valiente ante una clase ridícula que no sabe cooperar con la política pública.",7761.16,7779.34,{"idx":6297,"utterance_id":6298,"speaker_name":69,"text":6299,"start_s":6300,"end_s":6301,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},1046,"166185","Usar gente como carne de cañón para ganar voto fácil es muy triste, muy triste.",7780.32,7786.78,{"idx":6303,"utterance_id":6304,"speaker_name":69,"text":6305,"start_s":6306,"end_s":6307,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1047,"166186","Pero fue lo que el gobierno del estado hizo aquí.",7787.18,7789.32,{"idx":6309,"utterance_id":6310,"speaker_name":69,"text":6311,"start_s":6312,"end_s":6313,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},1048,"166187","Fue lo que la alcaldía hizo y lo que el gobierno del estado hizo.",7790.18,7792.88,{"idx":6315,"utterance_id":6316,"speaker_name":69,"text":6317,"start_s":6318,"end_s":6319,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},1049,"166188","Y lo está haciendo.",7792.9,7795.14,{"idx":6321,"utterance_id":6322,"speaker_name":69,"text":6323,"start_s":6324,"end_s":6325,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1050,"166189","Usar a la gente que más necesita dinero como carne de cañón.",7796.18,7800.1,{"idx":6327,"utterance_id":6328,"speaker_name":69,"text":6329,"start_s":6330,"end_s":6331,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1051,"166190","En seguridad pública no es diferente.",7800.5,7802.32,{"idx":6333,"utterance_id":6334,"speaker_name":69,"text":6335,"start_s":6336,"end_s":6337,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1052,"166191","Somos cobardes.",7802.96,7803.88,{"idx":6339,"utterance_id":6340,"speaker_name":69,"text":6341,"start_s":6342,"end_s":6343,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1053,"166192","Somos cobardes en seguridad pública.",7804.58,7806.98,{"idx":6345,"utterance_id":6346,"speaker_name":69,"text":6347,"start_s":6348,"end_s":6349,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1054,"166193","Los que mandan, ya sabes, usan la fuerza.",7807,7809.14,{"idx":6351,"utterance_id":6352,"speaker_name":69,"text":6353,"start_s":6354,"end_s":6355,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1055,"166194","A ver si ocurre lo que ocurre en la periferia, si ocurre en Ledon o en Jardim.",7809.62,7814.48,{"idx":6357,"utterance_id":6358,"speaker_name":69,"text":6359,"start_s":6360,"end_s":6361,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1056,"166195","A ver si esa charla de valentía da el mismo 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