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Entonces no voy ni... Por eso creo que tenemos que hacer lo contrario, ¿sabes?",318.86,327.78,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":476,"speaker_name":86,"text":477,"start_s":478,"end_s":479,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},69,"73496","Bombardear a la Caixa con proyectos, hoy, más... audaces, más libres.",328.1,332.26,{"idx":481,"utterance_id":482,"speaker_name":86,"text":483,"start_s":484,"end_s":485,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},70,"73497","Más audaces, aún posibles, más libres.",332.3,334.94,{"idx":487,"utterance_id":488,"speaker_name":86,"text":489,"start_s":490,"end_s":491,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},71,"73498","Creo que tenemos que hacer arte de verdad, aun más.",334.98,337.12,{"idx":493,"utterance_id":494,"speaker_name":86,"text":495,"start_s":496,"end_s":497,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},72,"73499","libre y con más contundencia, porque creo que mi miedo hoy es que la gente empiece a autocensurarse y actuar por miedo a este gobierno, por miedo a los desmanes y tal.",337.24,347.34,{"idx":499,"utterance_id":500,"speaker_name":86,"text":501,"start_s":502,"end_s":503,"word_count":268,"indexable":75},73,"73500","Y eso es lo que creo que no puede pasar, porque es un gobierno que está consiguiendo, la gente pensaba que Bolsonaro iba a ser lo bastante tonto como para no conseguir cambiar nada, ¿no?",347.62,356.98,{"idx":505,"utterance_id":506,"speaker_name":86,"text":507,"start_s":508,"end_s":509,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},74,"73501","Hubo gente que defendía eso.",357.2,358.16,{"idx":511,"utterance_id":512,"speaker_name":86,"text":513,"start_s":514,"end_s":515,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},75,"73502","También se defendía con Trump.",358.76,359.6,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":86,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},76,"73503","Es tan tonto, tan incompetente que no va a cambiar nada, se va a caer pronto.",359.66,363.3,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":86,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":326,"indexable":75},77,"73504","Creo que despreciar Creo que, claro que él está muy lejos de ser una persona inteligente y capaz, pero tiene un grado de convicción en aquello que cree, que no sé qué es, que está consiguiendo cambiar las cosas.",363.72,384.16,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":86,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":230,"indexable":75},78,"73505","Él y un equipo, porque lo que más preocupa no es él en sí, sino un movimiento del 10% más conservador de la sociedad.",384.28,392.16,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":86,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},79,"73506","que están empoderadísimos.",392.68,393.72,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":86,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},80,"73507","Es el caso del Fernando Alvinho, el Roberto Alvinho, el sujeto que insultó a Fernanda Montenegro.",393.76,397.06,{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":86,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},81,"73508","Era un director B de teatro al que nadie prestaba mucha atención y, de repente, fue elevado a la categoría de gran director y pensador de un movimiento.",397.38,405.38,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":86,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},82,"73509","Entonces, imagínate para él.",405.54,406.5,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":86,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},83,"73510","Está en la cresta de la ola en la que nunca había estado en su vida.",406.8,410.04,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":86,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":247,"indexable":75},84,"73511","Eso, para una serie de artistas, una serie de, quizá, científicos, una serie de... es como si el gobierno estuviera premiando a esos resentidos que nunca tuvieron suficiente espacio.",410.36,420.42,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":86,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},85,"73512","Por mérito, creo, incluso, porque en el caso de Alvim, por ejemplo, nunca pensé que fuera válido que él tuviera los focos.",420.92,426.98,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":86,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},86,"73513","Hoy en día él está, por ejemplo, elevado a la categoría de antagonista de Fernanda Montenegro.",427.7,431.22,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":86,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},87,"73514","¿Cuándo en su vida habría alcanzado esa posición?",431.5,434.86,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":86,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},88,"73515","Si él hubiera dicho eso antes, tú no dirías: 'eso es un loco resentido'.",435.22,438.94,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":86,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":291,"indexable":75},89,"73516","Y ahora él es el director de la FUNAR, así que lo que ha pasado en este gobierno, que es muy peligroso, es la premiación de... de los resentidos, de aquellos que no habían obtenido ningún éxito en su profesión, en todas las áreas.",439.44,455.06,{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":86,"text":603,"start_s":604,"end_s":605,"word_count":373,"indexable":75},90,"73517","Entonces, más allá de la censura, que también es gravísima, lo que hay es un gobierno, una política pública de resentidos en algún lugar, de personas que no llegaron, como es el caso al fin de tantos otros, y que en algún lugar están usando su poder para hacer venganza, ¿sabes?",455.5,472.64,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":608,"speaker_name":86,"text":609,"start_s":610,"end_s":611,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},91,"73518","Para hacer pequeñas venganzas con aquellos que de hecho son... reconocidos en sus profesiones.",472.92,479.54,{"idx":613,"utterance_id":614,"speaker_name":86,"text":615,"start_s":616,"end_s":617,"word_count":285,"indexable":75},92,"73519","Entonces hay algo ideológico, sí, claro, pero también hay algo al nivel del resentimiento freudiano, del tipo que dice, mira, pasé mi vida aguantando, tragando sapos, porque esta profesión es injusta, a veces.",479.88,494.48,{"idx":619,"utterance_id":620,"speaker_name":86,"text":621,"start_s":622,"end_s":623,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},93,"73520","No es necesariamente en las artes, hay mucha gente que se esforzó toda la vida y nunca va a ser un Fernando Montenegro.",494.98,500.36,{"idx":625,"utterance_id":626,"speaker_name":86,"text":627,"start_s":628,"end_s":629,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},94,"73521","Entonces, mira, llega ahí y, en vez de premiar a aquellos que, por mérito y talento, son grandes actores, él se venga de ellos.",500.62,508.62,{"idx":631,"utterance_id":632,"speaker_name":86,"text":633,"start_s":634,"end_s":635,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},95,"73522","Y eso es lo que está pasando.",508.92,509.62,{"idx":637,"utterance_id":638,"speaker_name":86,"text":639,"start_s":640,"end_s":641,"word_count":391,"indexable":75},96,"73523","Eso me deja muy, muy angustiado, porque Brasil es un país con artistas tan brillantes, que merecían tanto incentivo de verdad y tantos premios, como es el caso de Fernando y tantos otros, que es una pena que el gobierno hoy esté empeñado en premiar lo peor de Brasil, ¿sabes?",510.06,526.8,{"idx":643,"utterance_id":644,"speaker_name":86,"text":645,"start_s":646,"end_s":647,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},97,"73524","Y reprimir y agredir lo mejor que tenemos.",527,530.94,{"idx":649,"utterance_id":650,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":651,"start_s":652,"end_s":653,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},98,"73525","Es una especie de... rebelión de la tercera división, no es algo...",531.2,536.66,{"idx":655,"utterance_id":656,"speaker_name":86,"text":657,"start_s":658,"end_s":659,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},99,"73526","Exactamente eso.",537.34,538.16,{"idx":661,"utterance_id":662,"speaker_name":86,"text":663,"start_s":664,"end_s":665,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},100,"73527","Está esa película, La rebelión de los nerds, ¿no?",539.7,541.46,{"idx":667,"utterance_id":668,"speaker_name":86,"text":669,"start_s":670,"end_s":671,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},101,"73528","Es la revuelta de los pésimos, la revuelta de la tercera división, si no me equivoco, de la quinta división del fútbol de barrio, disputando ahí la final.",542.36,550.24,{"idx":673,"utterance_id":674,"speaker_name":86,"text":675,"start_s":676,"end_s":677,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},102,"73529","Entonces tienes allí a todos esos jugadores que nunca llegaron al nivel profesional y hoy están en la selección de Brasil.",550.32,556.2,{"idx":679,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":86,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},103,"73530","Eso es muy malo porque... van a querer vengarse y no hacer política pública.",556.84,562.1,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":86,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},104,"73531","Es un gobierno que confunde todo el tiempo política pública con política de gobierno, política personal.",562.44,566.3,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":86,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},105,"73532","Es todo a nivel personal.",566.64,567.84,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":86,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},106,"73533","El Eduardo Bolsonaro dijo, ah, la federal... La FRJ no es buena, no es una facultad buena.",568.4,572.8,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":704,"speaker_name":86,"text":705,"start_s":706,"end_s":707,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},107,"73534","Nunca llamaron a mi padre para hablar allí.",572.84,574.1,{"idx":709,"utterance_id":710,"speaker_name":86,"text":711,"start_s":712,"end_s":713,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},108,"73535","Como si ese fuera el criterio.",575.18,576.28,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":716,"speaker_name":86,"text":717,"start_s":718,"end_s":719,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},109,"73536","Y entonces él se va a vengar de la FRJ porque nunca lo llamó para hablar allí.",577.08,581.56,{"idx":721,"utterance_id":722,"speaker_name":86,"text":723,"start_s":724,"end_s":725,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},110,"73537","Entonces todo es a nivel de nimiedades personales, ¿sabes?",582.1,585.08,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":728,"speaker_name":86,"text":729,"start_s":730,"end_s":731,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},111,"73538","De la venganzacita.",585.14,586.48,{"idx":733,"utterance_id":734,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":735,"start_s":736,"end_s":737,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},112,"73539","Declaró que quiere ser embajador para defender al padre, por ejemplo.",587.62,590.26,{"idx":739,"utterance_id":740,"speaker_name":86,"text":741,"start_s":742,"end_s":743,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},113,"73540","Exactamente, es eso.",590.3,591.26,{"idx":745,"utterance_id":746,"speaker_name":86,"text":747,"start_s":748,"end_s":749,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},114,"73541","Y no al país.",591.88,592.62,{"idx":751,"utterance_id":752,"speaker_name":86,"text":753,"start_s":754,"end_s":755,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},115,"73542","Exactamente.",592.94,593.54,{"idx":757,"utterance_id":758,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":759,"start_s":760,"end_s":761,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},116,"73543","Porque el embajador no está allí propiamente para defender al presidente de la república.",593.58,597.26,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":764,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":765,"start_s":766,"end_s":767,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},117,"73544","Es eso.",597.96,598.12,{"idx":769,"utterance_id":770,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":771,"start_s":772,"end_s":773,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},118,"73545","Es una visión un poco más amplia.",598.16,599.42,{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},119,"73546","¿Cuál es el papel del arte en la contemporaneidad?",604.08,606.8,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},120,"73547","Independientemente de Brasil.",607.04,607.9,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},121,"73548","Brasil necesita mucho al arte.",607.94,609.78,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},122,"73549","Incluso quería que profundizaras en eso.",610.2,611.84,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},123,"73550","¿Cuál es su papel en este momento?",611.88,613.8,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},124,"73551","Pero, en general, ¿cómo ves el arte?",614.28,618.26,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":812,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":813,"start_s":814,"end_s":815,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},125,"73552","¿Cuál es su papel?",618.7,620.84,{"idx":817,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":373,"indexable":75},126,"73553","Pensando en las grandes escuelas, arte por el arte, arte comprometido, toda la discusión que se ha hecho a lo largo de un siglo sobre el papel del arte, el grado de autonomía del arte respecto a la realidad, si es una esfera aparte de la sociedad, cuál es el grado de independencia que tiene.",621.52,638.2,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},127,"73554","¿Cómo ves esa discusión más teórica sobre estética, sobre arte?",638.88,644.22,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":86,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":303,"indexable":75},128,"73555","Mira, yo soy un lego, para empezar, no soy un teórico, pero como persona que vive de eso y que intenta ganarse la vida con ello, para mí es lo que organiza la vida y hace que ella tenga algún sentido.",644.86,656.02,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":86,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},129,"73556","Porque la vida, la experiencia de la vida y de la realidad, no tiene sentido.",656.34,659.52,{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":86,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":445,"indexable":75},130,"73557","Si soy sincero, es absurda, muchas veces termina en una muerte brusca, a veces la persona, incluso joven, mientras otros viven 200 años, eso no tiene el menor sentido, es absurda; no puedes vivir una experiencia y decir —yo por lo menos nunca viví, quizá con la religión— esa experiencia del orden de la vida y de la realidad, solo en el arte.",660.36,681.68,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":86,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":332,"indexable":75},131,"73558","El arte, en algún lugar, es el que organiza la vida y le da un sentido, entonces hace la vida creíble y... organiza nuestra experiencia en la tierra de manera que tenga algún sentido.",681.98,697.96,{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":86,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},132,"73559","Y en términos de país, eso es muy importante, porque tenemos un país hoy caótico.",698.32,701.12,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":86,"text":861,"start_s":862,"end_s":863,"word_count":241,"indexable":75},133,"73560","Y necesitamos más que nada del arte, que es el arte el que nos enseña a leer el país y organiza ese país en nuestra cabeza.",701.58,708.4,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":865,"speaker_name":86,"text":866,"start_s":867,"end_s":868,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},"73561","La impresión que tengo es que Brasil aún necesita ser fundado, ser inventado, y es el arte el que hace eso.",708.96,713.66,{"idx":870,"utterance_id":871,"speaker_name":86,"text":872,"start_s":873,"end_s":874,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},135,"73562","Shakespeare, de algún modo, que inventó Inglaterra.",714.92,717.98,{"idx":876,"utterance_id":877,"speaker_name":86,"text":878,"start_s":879,"end_s":880,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},136,"73563","La Grecia antigua fue inventada por los trágicos, por los poetas trágicos.",718.68,721.88,{"idx":882,"utterance_id":883,"speaker_name":86,"text":884,"start_s":885,"end_s":886,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},137,"73564","Eran los poetas trágicos quienes inventaron Grecia, o quizá antes.",722.48,726.16,{"idx":888,"utterance_id":889,"speaker_name":86,"text":890,"start_s":891,"end_s":892,"word_count":214,"indexable":75},138,"73565","Homero fue quizá un inventor, es esa tradición oral de una historia que se transmite de padre a hijo, oralmente, que inventó una nación.",726.44,735.06,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":894,"speaker_name":86,"text":895,"start_s":896,"end_s":897,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},"73566","Y creo que... 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Divertido, que a la gente le va a...",834.04,837.2,{"idx":1018,"utterance_id":1019,"speaker_name":86,"text":1020,"start_s":1021,"end_s":1022,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},160,"73587","No sabría hacerlo de otra manera realmente.",837.74,839.84,{"idx":1024,"utterance_id":1025,"speaker_name":86,"text":1026,"start_s":1027,"end_s":1028,"word_count":161,"indexable":75},161,"73588","No sabría... Ese es el problema, la libertad, cuando la experimentas, luego no hay vuelta atrás, es innegociable.",840.2,846.42,{"idx":1030,"utterance_id":1031,"speaker_name":86,"text":1032,"start_s":1033,"end_s":1034,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},162,"73589","Así que hoy, si alguien dice así, no puedes hablar de esto inmediatamente, entonces ese proyecto no me interesa.",846.74,850.96,{"idx":1036,"utterance_id":1037,"speaker_name":86,"text":1038,"start_s":1039,"end_s":1040,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},163,"73590","Pero esta historia de internet realmente me interesa mucho, porque a veces parece que internet empeoró el debate público en Brasil.",851.52,857.2,{"idx":1042,"utterance_id":1043,"speaker_name":86,"text":1044,"start_s":1045,"end_s":1046,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},164,"73591","Pero tengo la impresión de que no es internet, son las aplicaciones.",857.46,860.76,{"idx":1048,"utterance_id":1049,"speaker_name":86,"text":1050,"start_s":1051,"end_s":1052,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},165,"73592","Y creo que hay una diferencia.",861.04,862.08,{"idx":1054,"utterance_id":1055,"speaker_name":86,"text":1056,"start_s":1057,"end_s":1058,"word_count":179,"indexable":75},166,"73593","Y es un problema para mí, inclusive para Brasil, en la internet de hoy, que la gente piensa que internet es WhatsApp.",862.54,867.2,{"idx":1060,"utterance_id":1061,"speaker_name":86,"text":1062,"start_s":1063,"end_s":1064,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},167,"73594","Por un problema, además, de neutralidad de la red, porque hay muchas compañías que venden WhatsApp como si fuera internet.",867.68,873.68,{"idx":1066,"utterance_id":1067,"speaker_name":86,"text":1068,"start_s":1069,"end_s":1070,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},168,"73595","Entonces dicen WhatsApp ilimitado.",873.72,875.12,{"idx":1072,"utterance_id":1073,"speaker_name":86,"text":1074,"start_s":1075,"end_s":1076,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},169,"73596","Entonces mucha gente no tiene dinero para tener internet, 3G, 4G, pero tiene internet solo a través de WhatsApp.",875.48,880.66,{"idx":1078,"utterance_id":1079,"speaker_name":86,"text":1080,"start_s":1081,"end_s":1082,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},170,"73597","¿Y cuál es el problema de eso?",881.34,882.22,{"idx":1084,"utterance_id":1085,"speaker_name":86,"text":1086,"start_s":1087,"end_s":1088,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},171,"73598","Recibe la noticia y no tiene internet para hacer clic, para comprobarla.",882.5,886.58,{"idx":1090,"utterance_id":1091,"speaker_name":86,"text":1092,"start_s":1093,"end_s":1094,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},172,"73599","Porque solo tiene esa plataforma.",887.32,889.46,{"idx":1096,"utterance_id":1097,"speaker_name":86,"text":1098,"start_s":1099,"end_s":1100,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},173,"73600","Solo lee el titular.",889.68,890.42,{"idx":1102,"utterance_id":1103,"speaker_name":86,"text":1104,"start_s":1105,"end_s":1106,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},174,"73601","Así que solo lee el titular, solo lee la transcripción.",890.62,892.58,{"idx":1108,"utterance_id":1109,"speaker_name":86,"text":1110,"start_s":1111,"end_s":1112,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},175,"73602","Y para mí todo el problema de lo que pasó, el problema de las elecciones, tiene mucho que ver con eso.",893.1,896.92,{"idx":1114,"utterance_id":1115,"speaker_name":86,"text":1116,"start_s":1117,"end_s":1118,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},176,"73603","El brasileño tiene mucho WhatsApp y muy poca internet.",897.22,900.02,{"idx":1120,"utterance_id":1121,"speaker_name":86,"text":1122,"start_s":1123,"end_s":1124,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},177,"73604","Es como si solo tuvieras acceso dentro de una ciudad al centro comercial.",900.44,904.58,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":86,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},"73605","No sabes lo que hay fuera de él, solo tienes acceso a un espacio privado dentro de él.",905.26,908.66,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":86,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":161,"indexable":75},179,"73606","Así que tenemos una sociedad que circula dentro de centros comerciales, que son Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp.",909.44,914.76,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":86,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},180,"73607","Y que no conoce la calle, que es internet.",915.44,918.14,{"idx":1143,"utterance_id":1144,"speaker_name":86,"text":1145,"start_s":1146,"end_s":1147,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},181,"73608","Internet es mucho más vasta que las redes sociales.",918.64,921.54,{"idx":1149,"utterance_id":1150,"speaker_name":86,"text":1151,"start_s":1152,"end_s":1153,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},182,"73609","Una continuidad infinita de blogs, una continuidad infinita de saber circulando allí, de conocimiento real, verificado y tal.",921.8,928.68,{"idx":1155,"utterance_id":1156,"speaker_name":86,"text":1157,"start_s":1158,"end_s":1159,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},183,"73610","Y la gente se sigue mandando cosas por WhatsApp.",929.3,931.68,{"idx":1161,"utterance_id":1162,"speaker_name":86,"text":1163,"start_s":1164,"end_s":1165,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},184,"73611","Y la culpa no es solo de ellos, es también de la internet en Brasil, que no está democratizada.",931.84,936.16,{"idx":1167,"utterance_id":1168,"speaker_name":86,"text":1169,"start_s":1170,"end_s":1171,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},185,"73612","No es democrática.",936.46,937.22,{"idx":1173,"utterance_id":1174,"speaker_name":86,"text":1175,"start_s":1176,"end_s":1177,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},186,"73613","Si la gente tuviera más acceso a internet, el debate público sería mejor.",937.28,940.38,{"idx":1179,"utterance_id":1180,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1181,"start_s":1182,"end_s":1183,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},187,"73614","¿Estás más involucrado con el cine ahora, verdad?",940.98,943.8,{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},188,"73615","La película que va a representar a Brasil contó con tu participación.",944.3,948.02,{"idx":1191,"utterance_id":1192,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1193,"start_s":1194,"end_s":1195,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},189,"73616","¿Quieres contar un poco, sin spoilers, no puedes, pero contar un poco de esa nueva experiencia que, quién sabe, represente a Brasil como mejor película extranjera, no?",948.06,958.64,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":86,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},"73617","Ojalá, ojalá.",958.9,959.88,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":86,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},191,"73618","La película es super bonita.",959.92,961.08,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":86,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},192,"73619","Karim Ainuz, el director, un tipo del que soy super fan desde hace tiempo, me encanta, Madame Satã, Céu de Sueli, creo que es un director muy autoral e interesante.",961.86,970.5,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":86,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":326,"indexable":75},193,"73620","Y trabajar con él fue muy vertiginoso, porque es una historia muy densa, la historia de una mujer de la vida, de una mujer que es Carol Duarte, de una hermana suya, las dos en cierta medida invisibilizadas u oprimidas por los hombres a su alrededor.",972.1,986.54,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":86,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},194,"73621","Entonces es la historia de un silenciamiento, de vidas invisibles de mujeres, que son nuestras abuelas.",986.58,993.9,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":86,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},195,"73622","Todas.",994.34,994.66,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":86,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},196,"73623","Yo la leí a través de mi abuela, a través de mi bisabuela.",994.72,997.1,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1238,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1239,"start_s":1240,"end_s":1241,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},"73624","¿Viste una generación?",997.22,998.24,{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":86,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},198,"73625","Todas las historias de familia.",998.32,999.84,{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":86,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},199,"73626","El libro de Marta Batalha, en el que está basada la película, está dedicado a nuestras abuelas.",1000.02,1004.36,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":86,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},200,"73627","Y la película también, en cierta medida.",1004.82,1006.14,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":86,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},201,"73628","Está dedicada a nuestras madres, abuelas y a todos.",1007.32,1009.42,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":86,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},202,"73629","Y claro que eso todavía existe hoy, en los tiempos de hoy.",1009.48,1011.64,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":86,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},203,"73630","Así que es realmente muy doloroso.",1011.68,1013.8,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":86,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},204,"73631","Para mí fue muy doloroso vivir ese marido opresor.",1013.84,1016.5,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":86,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},205,"73632","Ese marido que silenció.",1017.06,1018.3,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":86,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},206,"73633","Entonces, fue incluso duro.",1018.84,1020.24,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":86,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},207,"73634","La figurinista dijo, ¿no tendrás alguna ropa vieja con la que estemos trabajando?",1020.38,1023.06,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":86,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},208,"73635","Por casualidad, yo tenía toda la ropa de mi abuelo paterno, que tiene exactamente la misma talla que yo.",1023.34,1027.64,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":86,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},209,"73636","Así que lo hice, incluso usé; me puse sus pantalones, su camisa.",1028.02,1030.64,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":86,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},210,"73637","Cuando lo vi, estaba invocando allí espíritus ancestrales, casi, ¿sabes?",1030.68,1036.78,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":86,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},211,"73638","De opresiones milenarias, mucho.",1037.08,1039.72,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":86,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},212,"73639","Entonces, llegaba a casa y lloraba.",1039.76,1041.08,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":86,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},213,"73640","¿Qué está pasando?",1041.22,1042.24,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":86,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},214,"73641","Tenía que, en algún lugar, desintoxicarme, ¿sabes?",1042.82,1045.38,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":86,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":161,"indexable":75},215,"73642","De esa... de esa presencia opresora ancestral, ¿sabes, que había sido invocada, de ese marido pésimo, pésimo, y tan común al mismo tiempo.",1047.72,1058.98,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":86,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},216,"73643","No es el monstruo horroroso que sólo existió una vez en la vida de ese psicópata, no.",1059.3,1062.94,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":86,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},217,"73644","Es ese marido pésimo y común, que eran todos, cuando lo ves.",1063.26,1066.98,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":86,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},218,"73645","Porque él no se entendía a sí mismo como marido.",1067.48,1068.56,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":86,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},219,"73646","La gente decía así: no, es un tipo que miraba a la mujer y decía, ¿por qué quieres tocar el piano, si todo el mundo 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mí?",1079.38,1080.1,{"idx":1404,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":86,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},225,"73652","Su cabeza es esa, porque, claro, el tipo es autocentrado.",1080.9,1083.1,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":86,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":314,"indexable":75},226,"73653","Entonces, es un sujeto que, por vanidad, por apariencias, y no sólo por culpa suya, sino también por la presión de una sociedad que le enseñó que los valores de la familia tradicional brasileña —él cree que sólo la familia tradicional es feliz—.",1083.14,1098.72,{"idx":1416,"utterance_id":1417,"speaker_name":86,"text":1418,"start_s":1419,"end_s":1420,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},227,"73654","Entonces, si su mujer quiere estudiar, él tiene una incompatibilidad.",1098.76,1103.46,{"idx":1422,"utterance_id":1423,"speaker_name":86,"text":1424,"start_s":1425,"end_s":1426,"word_count":268,"indexable":75},228,"73655","En ese sujeto de la película, y también en tantas familias brasileñas que conocemos, hay una incompatibilidad entre el sueño de la familia tradicional y la familia real, de hecho, que nunca encaja en ese sueño.",1104,1113.56,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1428,"speaker_name":86,"text":1429,"start_s":1430,"end_s":1431,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},"73656","Porque yo no conozco ninguna familia que encaje en la imagen de la familia tradicional.",1113.98,1117.54,{"idx":1433,"utterance_id":1434,"speaker_name":86,"text":1435,"start_s":1436,"end_s":1437,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},230,"73657","Cuando cavas un poco, ahí en la familia Margarina, dices, esto aquí está todo jodido.",1117.62,1122.26,{"idx":1439,"utterance_id":1440,"speaker_name":86,"text":1441,"start_s":1442,"end_s":1443,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},231,"73658","Ninguna familia resiste a esa 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Brasil.",1161.4,1168.24,{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},239,"73666","Mira, la producción científica brasileña: 70% producción femenina.",1168.32,1173.82,{"idx":1493,"utterance_id":1494,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1495,"start_s":1496,"end_s":1497,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},240,"73667","Hoy las mujeres son mayoría en las carreras de alta demanda, altísima demanda, con rarísimas excepciones.",1175.74,1182.26,{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":179,"indexable":75},241,"73668","En algunas ingenierías no, pero la medicina ya es algo colosal; la presencia femenina es mayoría en la posgraduación.",1182.76,1190.62,{"idx":1505,"utterance_id":1506,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1507,"start_s":1508,"end_s":1509,"word_count":303,"indexable":75},242,"73669","Y eso del nuevo feminismo y de los varios feminismos está muy prominente en el debate social, incluso contraproducente, porque mediante falacias, con argumentos falaces, ponen las cosas muy en contra de ese ímpetu renovado de la posición de la mujer.",1191.74,1215.56,{"idx":1511,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},243,"73670","¿Crees que ese es uno de los choques contemporáneos?",1216.92,1219.52,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1517,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1518,"start_s":1519,"end_s":1520,"word_count":161,"indexable":75},"73671","¿Eso está planteado en los ambientes que tú, obviamente no los que tú vives, pero los que miras, que observas?",1219.58,1225.1,{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":86,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},245,"73672","Claro.",1225.54,1225.9,{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":86,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":214,"indexable":75},246,"73673","Tengo la impresión de que este gobierno, este avance del bolsonarismo en general, más que un movimiento conservador, es un movimiento reaccionario.",1226.08,1235.58,{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":86,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},247,"73674","Y es una reacción a los avances de los últimos 20 años en todos los sectores de la sociedad.",1235.74,1242.62,{"idx":1540,"utterance_id":1541,"speaker_name":86,"text":1542,"start_s":1543,"end_s":1544,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},248,"73675","Y uno de ellos realmente es el 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avance.",1261.34,1263.82,{"idx":1570,"utterance_id":1571,"speaker_name":86,"text":1572,"start_s":1573,"end_s":1574,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},253,"73680","Hay un odio al feminismo en ese movimiento, que está en el corazón de ese movimiento; tanto es así que lo ves.",1263.94,1269.2,{"idx":1576,"utterance_id":1577,"speaker_name":86,"text":1578,"start_s":1579,"end_s":1580,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},254,"73681","Veinte y tantos ministerios tienen una, dos ministras.",1270.1,1272.7,{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":86,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},255,"73682","Es un gobierno con muy poca representación femenina.",1272.78,1275.98,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":86,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},256,"73683","Y las representaciones femeninas sólo cuentan con Andamares, que niega el feminismo, que dice cosas quizá aún peores que eso que dijiste de Edir 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Nunca fue por religión y tal.",1303.34,1307.86,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},264,"73691","Pero existe una tensión histórica entre religión y humor.",1309.32,1312.96,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},265,"73692","Esto está lejos de ser incompatible, todo lo contrario.",1313.14,1316.84,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},266,"73693","En las sociedades civilizadas, esas cosas conviven bien.",1317.46,1321.6,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},267,"73694","Pero religión y comedia, religión y humor son cosas delicadas.",1322.2,1324,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},268,"73695","Hay varios episodios en el mundo.",1324.44,1327.44,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},269,"73696","Empecemos con Monty Python, que está cumpliendo 50 años.",1327.92,1334.92,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},270,"73697","Esta semana... Te llegué a preguntar en un almuerzo si tenías a Monty Python como referencia y tú dijiste.",1335.5,1339.7,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":86,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},271,"73698","Todo comediante, todo humorista tiene a Monty Python como referencia.",1339.74,1341.4,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},272,"73699","Son gigantes.",1341.76,1343.62,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},273,"73700","Y Monty Python tiene mucho de eso.",1346.54,1351.4,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":179,"indexable":75},274,"73701","No se restringen; avanzan en ese debate.",1351.98,1362.06,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1704,"start_s":1705,"end_s":1706,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},275,"73702","Y llegué a ver entrevistas maravillosas en las que preguntaban, ¿no están... faltando al respeto a Jesucristo?, y las explicaciones eran magistrales.",1362.24,1368.86,{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},276,"73703","No, nuestra crítica no es a la figura; es al uso que se hace de ella.",1369.94,1372.16,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},277,"73704","¿Qué me dices?",1373.12,1377.14,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},278,"73705","Veo a Porta dos Fundos y de vez en cuando hay una broma con esa cosa.",1377.76,1386.18,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},279,"73706","El Dios de la Polinesia, el pastor, en fin, son sketches maravillosos, divertidísimos y muy vistos.",1387.04,1388.44,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},280,"73707","¿Cómo afrontas esa relación?",1389.06,1393.7,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},281,"73708","¿Cómo afrontas el respeto que debes a la creencia de la gente?",1394.22,1398.38,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},282,"73709","Cada uno tiene el derecho de pensar lo que quiera sobre el mundo, sobre cómo fue creado.",1398.9,1402.14,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":86,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},283,"73710","¿Cómo ves esa tensión entre el humor y la religión?",1403.22,1404.68,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":86,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},284,"73711","Adoro el humor.",1405.14,1407.46,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":86,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},285,"73712","con la religión en general, porque creo que una de las cosas que Moro...",1407.5,1409.46,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":86,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},286,"73713","Veo que no importa lo que tú...",1409.54,1411.18,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},287,"73714","Lo hago mucho; Fábio incluso más que yo.",1411.22,1412.42,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":86,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},288,"73715","Tú siempre estás metido...",1412.7,1418.46,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":86,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},289,"73716","Fábio tiene una cuestión de venganza personal, porque estudió en una escuela muy, muy religiosa, así que creo que él tiene esa... Ah, Fábio la tiene, ¿no?",1418.5,1419.12,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":86,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},290,"73717","Sí, Fábio la tiene.",1419.54,1424.66,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":86,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},291,"73718","Él es quien sabe todo de bilital y, en general, él incluso escribe, pero yo también, me encanta, lo confieso.",1424.76,1428.6,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":86,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},"73719","Y hay algo que creo que Moro trabaja con lo tabú: trabaja con la prohibición.",1429.42,1430.16,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":86,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},293,"73720","Así, en algún lugar.",1430.56,1431.42,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},294,"73721","Estás trabajando...",1431.46,1433.06,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},295,"73722","Entonces, obviamente, te llaman a hablar, ¿no?",1433.16,1433.48,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1524,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},296,"73723",1433.6,1434.58,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":86,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},297,"73724","Está prohibido, vamos...",1434.76,1437.9,{"idx":1838,"utterance_id":1839,"speaker_name":86,"text":1840,"start_s":1841,"end_s":1842,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},298,"73725","Si es sagrado, es tema, ¿sabes?",1438.02,1438.48,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":1845,"speaker_name":86,"text":1846,"start_s":1847,"end_s":1848,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},299,"73726","En algún lugar. Por eso el sexo, en cierto modo, siempre es un asunto de humor.",1438.54,1441.18,{"idx":1850,"utterance_id":1851,"speaker_name":86,"text":1852,"start_s":1853,"end_s":1854,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},300,"73727","¿Por qué es un tabú?",1441.28,1441.86,{"idx":1856,"utterance_id":1857,"speaker_name":86,"text":1858,"start_s":1859,"end_s":1860,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},301,"73728","Porque tú lo dices y la gente se pone nerviosa y se ríe.",1441.94,1443.5,{"idx":1862,"utterance_id":1863,"speaker_name":86,"text":1864,"start_s":1865,"end_s":1866,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},302,"73729","Entonces, el humor, en general, trabaja con ese límite.",1443.92,1446.54,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":86,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},"73730","La incomodidad, ¿no?",1446.58,1447.04,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":86,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},304,"73731","La incomodidad.",1447.12,1447.8,{"idx":1879,"utterance_id":1880,"speaker_name":86,"text":1881,"start_s":1882,"end_s":1883,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},305,"73732","Y con lo que no puede decirse.",1448.34,1450.56,{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":86,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},306,"73733","Por eso la palabrota también suele tener un efecto cómico.",1450.64,1453.82,{"idx":1891,"utterance_id":1892,"speaker_name":86,"text":1893,"start_s":1894,"end_s":1895,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},307,"73734","Y el humor que a nosotros nos gusta hacer tiene mucho que ver con eso, claro.",1455.24,1458.24,{"idx":1897,"utterance_id":1898,"speaker_name":86,"text":1899,"start_s":1900,"end_s":1901,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},308,"73735","Y hay algo que, a veces, la gente dice, en general, en el ámbito más evangélico, no cualquier evangélico.",1458.7,1465.1,{"idx":1903,"utterance_id":1904,"speaker_name":86,"text":1905,"start_s":1906,"end_s":1907,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},309,"73736","Hay muchos evangélicos a los que, incluso, les gusta Porta.",1465.14,1466.96,{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":86,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},310,"73737","Además, hay evangélicos en Porta, ¿no?",1467.34,1468.82,{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":86,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},311,"73738","Rafael Portugal, por ejemplo, es evangélico.",1468.88,1470.56,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":86,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},312,"73739","Además, Porta también es muy amplio en cuanto a religiones.",1472.04,1475.36,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":86,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},313,"73740","También es plural.",1475.4,1475.76,{"idx":1933,"utterance_id":1934,"speaker_name":86,"text":1935,"start_s":1936,"end_s":1937,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},314,"73741","Muy plural.",1475.8,1476.44,{"idx":1939,"utterance_id":1940,"speaker_name":86,"text":1941,"start_s":1942,"end_s":1943,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},315,"73742","Diversos.",1476.48,1477.14,{"idx":1945,"utterance_id":1946,"speaker_name":86,"text":1947,"start_s":1948,"end_s":1949,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},316,"73743","Tabet es espírita, Rafael Portugal es evangélico.",1477.18,1480.88,{"idx":1951,"utterance_id":1952,"speaker_name":86,"text":1953,"start_s":1954,"end_s":1955,"word_count":274,"indexable":75},317,"73744","La tátia católica, cada uno tiene realmente un lugar muy amplio en ese sentido, y todos ellos tienen en común el hecho de que creen; pero a su Dios le hace gracia, su Dios se ríe.",1483.72,1494.46,{"idx":1957,"utterance_id":1958,"speaker_name":86,"text":1959,"start_s":1960,"end_s":1961,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},318,"73745","Rafael dice que a Jesús le harían muchísima gracia esos chistes.",1494.82,1497.7,{"idx":1963,"utterance_id":1964,"speaker_name":86,"text":1965,"start_s":1966,"end_s":1967,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},319,"73746","Y creo que hay algo: a veces la gente dice 'esto es cristofobia', ¿no?",1497.98,1504.38,{"idx":1969,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":86,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":214,"indexable":75},320,"73747","Marco Feliciano siempre lo dice; ya intentó demandarnos tres veces con ese argumento de la cristofobia, de la intolerancia religiosa, cosas por el estilo.",1504.88,1511.84,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":86,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},321,"73748","Ah, ustedes dicen que no hacen humor, que respetan a las minorías y tal, pero hablan todo el tiempo de los cristianos que son perseguidos en el Líbano y no sé dónde.",1512.36,1521.14,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":86,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},322,"73749","Sí, tal vez en el Líbano, pero en Brasil no son minoría, están empoderados.",1521.74,1525.7,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":86,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":161,"indexable":75},323,"73750","Bessa, en cierto modo, no se puede decir que los cristianos, o él, no tengan capacidad de responder.",1525.76,1531.48,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":86,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},324,"73751","Son... una mayoría en todos los aspectos, no solo demográficamente, sino también en el Congreso, y además en todos los sectores de la sociedad.",1532.62,1540.4,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},325,"73752","Es eso del día del orgullo hétero.",1540.44,1541.9,{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":86,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},326,"73753","Eso es.",1542.08,1542.54,{"idx":2011,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2013,"start_s":2014,"end_s":2015,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},327,"73754","Es algo parecido a eso.",1542.68,1543.94,{"idx":2017,"utterance_id":2018,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2019,"start_s":2020,"end_s":2021,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},328,"73755","Eso, exactamente.",1544.06,1545.22,{"idx":2023,"utterance_id":2024,"speaker_name":86,"text":2025,"start_s":2026,"end_s":2027,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},329,"73756","Hétero es todo lo que... Somos todo, exactamente.",1545.26,1547.2,{"idx":2029,"utterance_id":2030,"speaker_name":86,"text":2031,"start_s":2032,"end_s":2033,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},330,"73757","No se puede hablar de persecución, por el amor de Dios.",1547.68,1549.98,{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":86,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},331,"73758","Entonces nosotros, en general, nos preocupamos por eso mismo.",1550.44,1552.64,{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":86,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},332,"73759","Esa persona de la que nos reímos, ese grupo de los que nos reímos... ¿está en desventaja, puede responder de vuelta en general? Eso es lo que nos preguntamos, ¿sabes?",1552.94,1561.06,{"idx":2047,"utterance_id":2048,"speaker_name":86,"text":2049,"start_s":2050,"end_s":2051,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},333,"73760","¿Tiene algún poder para responder?",1561.12,1563,{"idx":2053,"utterance_id":2054,"speaker_name":86,"text":2055,"start_s":2056,"end_s":2057,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},334,"73761","¿O va a ser algo vertical, de arriba hacia abajo, de atacar a una minoría?",1563.04,1566.56,{"idx":2059,"utterance_id":2060,"speaker_name":86,"text":2061,"start_s":2062,"end_s":2063,"word_count":27,"indexable":75},335,"73762","Cuando decimos 'no, no lo es'. En el caso de que hagamos un video, por ejemplo, en Zona Pastor Evangelico, que tiene algunos... esos tipos tienen mucho más poder que nosotros, inclusive.",1567.1,1574.2,{"idx":2065,"utterance_id":2066,"speaker_name":86,"text":2067,"start_s":2068,"end_s":2069,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},336,"73763","Tienen todo un canal de televisión, además varios.",1574.24,1576.52,{"idx":2071,"utterance_id":2072,"speaker_name":86,"text":2073,"start_s":2074,"end_s":2075,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},337,"73764","Así que no se puede decir que, pobrecito Adir Macedo, no vaya a poder respondernos.",1576.82,1581.16,{"idx":2077,"utterance_id":2078,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2079,"start_s":2080,"end_s":2081,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},338,"73765","Es decir, más allá de la paridad de armas, todo está en paz.",1581.2,1583.94,{"idx":2083,"utterance_id":2084,"speaker_name":86,"text":2085,"start_s":2086,"end_s":2087,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},339,"73766","Todo está en paz, con el amor de Dios.",1583.98,1585.6,{"idx":2089,"utterance_id":2090,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2091,"start_s":2092,"end_s":2093,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},340,"73767","¿Crees que ese es un criterio para evaluar la calidad del humor?",1585.66,1590.36,{"idx":2095,"utterance_id":2096,"speaker_name":86,"text":2097,"start_s":2098,"end_s":2099,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},341,"73768","Creo que sí.",1591.88,1592.22,{"idx":2101,"utterance_id":2102,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2103,"start_s":2104,"end_s":2105,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},342,"73769","La vulnerabilidad de quien es...",1593.08,1594.84,{"idx":2107,"utterance_id":2108,"speaker_name":86,"text":2109,"start_s":2110,"end_s":2111,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},343,"73770","Totalmente.",1595.42,1595.98,{"idx":2113,"utterance_id":2114,"speaker_name":86,"text":2115,"start_s":2116,"end_s":2117,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},344,"73771","Creo que el humor necesita coraje.",1596.42,1597.66,{"idx":2119,"utterance_id":2120,"speaker_name":86,"text":2121,"start_s":2122,"end_s":2123,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},345,"73772","Creo que cuando solo te metes con los desfavorecidos, te estás mostrando un cobarde.",1598.16,1602.72,{"idx":2125,"utterance_id":2126,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2127,"start_s":2128,"end_s":2129,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},346,"73773","Y Brasil está lleno de humor cobarde.",1603.42,1605.22,{"idx":2131,"utterance_id":2132,"speaker_name":86,"text":2133,"start_s":2134,"end_s":2135,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},347,"73774","Está lleno de humor cobarde.",1605.26,1606.36,{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":86,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},348,"73775","Lleno.",1606.76,1607.04,{"idx":2143,"utterance_id":2144,"speaker_name":86,"text":2145,"start_s":2146,"end_s":2147,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},349,"73776","Hay gente que solo ataca a mujeres, homosexuales y negros.",1607.78,1611.22,{"idx":2149,"utterance_id":2150,"speaker_name":86,"text":2151,"start_s":2152,"end_s":2153,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},350,"73777","Es decir, hay humoristas que atacan a las mismas personas que la policía.",1611.28,1613.74,{"idx":2155,"utterance_id":2156,"speaker_name":86,"text":2157,"start_s":2158,"end_s":2159,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},351,"73778","Lo que haces es un deservicio.",1614.58,1617.5,{"idx":2161,"utterance_id":2162,"speaker_name":86,"text":2163,"start_s":2164,"end_s":2165,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},352,"73779","Estás realmente atacando, estás reforzando una política... creyendo, y lo peor, creyendo que estás siendo valiente.",1617.66,1627.1,{"idx":2167,"utterance_id":2168,"speaker_name":86,"text":2169,"start_s":2170,"end_s":2171,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},353,"73780","Que dice cosas como: 'yo lo digo, que los negros no sé qué'.",1627.14,1629.98,{"idx":2173,"utterance_id":2174,"speaker_name":86,"text":2175,"start_s":2176,"end_s":2177,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},354,"73781","Amigo, no tienes ninguna valentía en eso.",1630.26,1633.04,{"idx":2179,"utterance_id":2180,"speaker_name":86,"text":2181,"start_s":2182,"end_s":2183,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},355,"73782","Eso no es valiente.",1633.6,1634.62,{"idx":2185,"utterance_id":2186,"speaker_name":86,"text":2187,"start_s":2188,"end_s":2189,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},356,"73783","Estás diciendo lo que Brasil en algún lugar ha dicho; esto se viene diciendo desde el siglo XVI.",1634.66,1639.14,{"idx":2191,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":86,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},357,"73784","Entonces, me parece una lástima que eso exista.",1639.9,1643.06,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":86,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},358,"73785","Y creo que hay una frase de mi amigo Antônio Prata que es genial.",1643.54,1645.82,{"idx":2203,"utterance_id":2204,"speaker_name":86,"text":2205,"start_s":2206,"end_s":2207,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},359,"73786","Hacer humor es pasar la mano por el trasero del guardia.",1645.88,1647.76,{"idx":2209,"utterance_id":2210,"speaker_name":86,"text":2211,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},360,"73787","En cierto modo, tu blanco, si tu blanco está armado, mejor.",1648.22,1652.66,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":86,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},361,"73788","Porque creo que eso es lo que hace que sea transgresor, que sea gracioso.",1654.2,1660.14,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":86,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},362,"73789","En cierto modo es tu coraje, es el riesgo que se corre.",1660.6,1663,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":86,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":326,"indexable":75},363,"73790","Si no, amigo, ese humor cómodo de reírse solo de quien sabes que no va a responder; reírse solo de quien la televisión abierta ya se ríe desde hace 200 años y la policía ya golpea, me parece cobarde, feo y tampoco me hace gracia.",1663.5,1675.7,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},364,"73791","Esa es una discusión que se da en...",1676.62,1678.44,{"idx":2239,"utterance_id":2240,"speaker_name":86,"text":2241,"start_s":2242,"end_s":2243,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},365,"73792","Super.",1679.04,1679.32,{"idx":2245,"utterance_id":2246,"speaker_name":86,"text":2247,"start_s":2248,"end_s":2249,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},366,"73793","Tenemos reuniones de sketches en las que debatimos los textos.",1680,1683.54,{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":86,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},367,"73794","Y, claro, el criterio principal es la gracia.",1683.68,1685.22,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":86,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":285,"indexable":75},368,"73795","Decimos: 'gracioso, esto no está...' Pero cuando decimos, colega, esto hasta puede ser gracioso, pero ¿no hemos visto este chiste ya mil veces en la televisión abierta, en el típico del asado?",1685.34,1694.44,{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":86,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},369,"73796","¿Eso no está pareciendo ese humor del que huimos?",1694.78,1697.56,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":86,"text":2271,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2273,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},370,"73797","Y, en general, nuestro principal criterio es no aprobar un video.",1698.34,1701.66,{"idx":2275,"utterance_id":2276,"speaker_name":86,"text":2277,"start_s":2278,"end_s":2279,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},371,"73798","Decir así, amigo, eso ya huele a viejo, ¿sabes?",1701.7,1705.4,{"idx":2281,"utterance_id":2282,"speaker_name":86,"text":2283,"start_s":2284,"end_s":2285,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},372,"73799","No se trata solo de ser prejuicioso.",1705.46,1707.6,{"idx":2287,"utterance_id":2288,"speaker_name":86,"text":2289,"start_s":2290,"end_s":2291,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},373,"73800","Eso ya no es el sello de nuestro humor.",1708.32,1710,{"idx":2293,"utterance_id":2294,"speaker_name":86,"text":2295,"start_s":2296,"end_s":2297,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},374,"73801","Tendemos mucho a tener cierta frescura, alguna sorpresa.",1710.04,1712.62,{"idx":2299,"utterance_id":2300,"speaker_name":86,"text":2301,"start_s":2302,"end_s":2303,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},375,"73802","En general, la frescura viene del hecho de que buscas blancos nuevos.",1712.76,1715.64,{"idx":2305,"utterance_id":2306,"speaker_name":86,"text":2307,"start_s":2308,"end_s":2309,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},376,"73803","Nunca has visto a alguien riéndose de eso, ¿sabes?",1715.7,1717.18,{"idx":2311,"utterance_id":2312,"speaker_name":86,"text":2313,"start_s":2314,"end_s":2315,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},377,"73804","Quiero reírme de eso.",1717.6,1718.26,{"idx":2317,"utterance_id":2318,"speaker_name":86,"text":2319,"start_s":2320,"end_s":2321,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},378,"73805","Así que nosotros, en general, buscamos blancos algo vírgenes para recibir palos.",1718.68,1722.04,{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},379,"73806","¿Puedes elaborar?",1722.36,1724.56,{"idx":2329,"utterance_id":2330,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2331,"start_s":2332,"end_s":2333,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},380,"73807","Es difícil la pregunta que te voy a hacer, porque yo mismo estoy pensando aquí.",1724.6,1728.68,{"idx":2335,"utterance_id":2336,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2337,"start_s":2338,"end_s":2339,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},381,"73808","Elaborar la diferencia de esto con respecto a lo políticamente correcto.",1729.94,1733.18,{"idx":2341,"utterance_id":2342,"speaker_name":86,"text":2343,"start_s":2344,"end_s":2345,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},382,"73809","Sí.",1733.36,1733.5,{"idx":2347,"utterance_id":2348,"speaker_name":86,"text":2349,"start_s":2350,"end_s":2351,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},383,"73810","¿Cómo lo elaboras?",1733.88,1735.02,{"idx":2353,"utterance_id":2354,"speaker_name":86,"text":2355,"start_s":2356,"end_s":2357,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},384,"73811","Creo que lo políticamente correcto también es muy nocivo.",1735.5,1737.8,{"idx":2359,"utterance_id":2360,"speaker_name":86,"text":2361,"start_s":2362,"end_s":2363,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},385,"73812","Es para no ser pesado.",1738.2,1739.3,{"idx":2365,"utterance_id":2366,"speaker_name":86,"text":2367,"start_s":2368,"end_s":2369,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},386,"73813","No ser pesado.",1739.34,1739.94,{"idx":2371,"utterance_id":2372,"speaker_name":86,"text":2373,"start_s":2374,"end_s":2375,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},387,"73814","¿Cómo se hace?",1740.02,1740.66,{"idx":2377,"utterance_id":2378,"speaker_name":86,"text":2379,"start_s":2380,"end_s":2381,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},388,"73815","Porque lo políticamente correcto trabaja con la prohibición.",1740.84,1742.78,{"idx":2383,"utterance_id":2384,"speaker_name":86,"text":2385,"start_s":2386,"end_s":2387,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},389,"73816","Y entonces cuando hace una prohibición, tenemos ese interés de la propia prohibición, del que hablábamos antes.",1743.3,1748.8,{"idx":2389,"utterance_id":2390,"speaker_name":86,"text":2391,"start_s":2392,"end_s":2393,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},390,"73817","Entonces, ya sabes, él pone, por ejemplo...",1748.84,1750.92,{"idx":2395,"utterance_id":2396,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2397,"start_s":2398,"end_s":2399,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},391,"73818","Es decir, genera un tabú con una señal invertida que de repente interesa al humor.",1750.96,1755.36,{"idx":2401,"utterance_id":2402,"speaker_name":86,"text":753,"start_s":2403,"end_s":2404,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},392,"73819",1755.74,1756.34,{"idx":2406,"utterance_id":2407,"speaker_name":86,"text":2408,"start_s":2409,"end_s":2410,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},393,"73820","Puede interesar.",1756.4,1757.24,{"idx":2412,"utterance_id":2413,"speaker_name":86,"text":2414,"start_s":2415,"end_s":2416,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},394,"73821","Es exactamente eso.",1757.28,1758.02,{"idx":2418,"utterance_id":2419,"speaker_name":86,"text":2420,"start_s":2421,"end_s":2422,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},395,"73822","Cuando creas, creas un nuevo tabú.",1758.32,1759.66,{"idx":2424,"utterance_id":2425,"speaker_name":86,"text":2426,"start_s":2427,"end_s":2428,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},396,"73823","Entonces, no se puede hacer chistes machistas, eso está prohibido, eso es un crimen.",1759.74,1762.9,{"idx":2430,"utterance_id":2431,"speaker_name":86,"text":2432,"start_s":2433,"end_s":2434,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},397,"73824","¡Eh!, incluso como humorista digo: '¿me estás prohibiendo?'",1763.28,1766.34,{"idx":2436,"utterance_id":2437,"speaker_name":86,"text":2438,"start_s":2439,"end_s":2440,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},398,"73825","Se va a poner interesante, voy a pensar que nosotros, ya sabes...",1766.58,1768.94,{"idx":2442,"utterance_id":2443,"speaker_name":86,"text":2444,"start_s":2445,"end_s":2446,"word_count":49,"indexable":75},399,"73826","Ahora, por eso creo que este asunto de la prohibición de lo 'cancelado' es muy malo para el humor, exactamente porque genera una fuente de 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enfrentarlo.",1785.36,1799.64,{"idx":2466,"utterance_id":2467,"speaker_name":86,"text":753,"start_s":2468,"end_s":2469,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},403,"73830",1799.8,1800.46,{"idx":2471,"utterance_id":2472,"speaker_name":86,"text":2473,"start_s":2474,"end_s":2475,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},404,"73831","Así es como funciona.",1801.86,1802.68,{"idx":2477,"utterance_id":2478,"speaker_name":86,"text":2479,"start_s":2480,"end_s":2481,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},405,"73832","Yo, por lo menos, funciono así.",1802.78,1803.86,{"idx":2483,"utterance_id":2484,"speaker_name":86,"text":2485,"start_s":2486,"end_s":2487,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},406,"73833","Trabajo sobre la base de prohibiciones.",1803.96,1805.92,{"idx":2489,"utterance_id":2490,"speaker_name":86,"text":2491,"start_s":2492,"end_s":2493,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},407,"73834","Por eso no me gusta lo políticamente correcto.",1806,1807.72,{"idx":2495,"utterance_id":2496,"speaker_name":86,"text":2497,"start_s":2498,"end_s":2499,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},408,"73835","Porque si me prohíben, ya me van a dar ganas de hacer esos chistes.",1807.76,1810.58,{"idx":2501,"utterance_id":2502,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2503,"start_s":2504,"end_s":2505,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},409,"73836","Mira, aquí todo está liberado.",1811.06,1812.4,{"idx":2507,"utterance_id":2508,"speaker_name":86,"text":2509,"start_s":2510,"end_s":2511,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},410,"73837","Qué bien, no te preocupes.",1812.54,1813.4,{"idx":2513,"utterance_id":2514,"speaker_name":86,"text":2515,"start_s":2516,"end_s":2517,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},411,"73838","Gregório, fue un placer estar contigo.",1814.82,1816.4,{"idx":2519,"utterance_id":2520,"speaker_name":86,"text":2521,"start_s":2522,"end_s":2523,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},412,"73839","Aprendí mucho 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