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quería saber si Kim Kataguiri es precandidato al gobierno del estado de São Paulo por el Missão.",0.34,4.04,18,{"idx":20,"utterance_id":21,"speaker_name":8,"text":22,"start_s":23,"end_s":24,"word_count":25,"indexable":11},2,"79782","Si el gobernador Tarcísio fuera candidato a la presidencia, si fuera el elegido en lugar de Flávio Bolsonaro, ¿cambiarían de rumbo, apoyarían a Tarcísio?",4.42,12.82,23,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":28,"speaker_name":8,"text":29,"start_s":30,"end_s":31,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},3,"79783","¿Cómo van a tratar la cuestión del fondo electoral?",13.02,14.66,9,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":35,"speaker_name":8,"text":36,"start_s":37,"end_s":38,"word_count":39,"indexable":11},4,"79784","Quisiera abrir esta entrevista, esta conversación, preguntando si de hecho usted es un precandidato al gobierno del Estado de São Paulo o no.",19.04,28.88,28,{"idx":41,"utterance_id":42,"speaker_name":8,"text":43,"start_s":44,"end_s":45,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},5,"79785","El Partido Missão está iniciando sus actividades, por así decirlo, ¿no?",28.94,33.46,12,{"idx":48,"utterance_id":49,"speaker_name":8,"text":50,"start_s":51,"end_s":52,"word_count":18,"indexable":11},6,"79786","Pero quería saber si Kim Kataguiri es precandidato al gobierno del Estado de São Paulo por el Missão.",34.38,39.2,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":55,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":58,"start_s":59,"end_s":60,"word_count":61,"indexable":11},7,"79787","Kim Kataguiri","kim-kataguiri","Tomaremos esa decisión colectivamente en el partido en el mes de julio.",40.7,45.24,13,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":64,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":65,"start_s":66,"end_s":67,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},8,"79788","Ahora aún no hay definición sobre esa precandidatura.",45.86,49.6,{"idx":32,"utterance_id":69,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":70,"start_s":71,"end_s":72,"word_count":73,"indexable":11},"79789","Dependerá de cómo formemos las listas a nivel federal y estatal.",50.46,55.24,11,{"idx":75,"utterance_id":76,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":77,"start_s":78,"end_s":79,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},10,"79790","También dependerá de cómo esté el panorama en las encuestas hasta julio.",55.32,58.84,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":81,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":82,"start_s":83,"end_s":84,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},"79791","Entonces, por ahora, todavía no tenemos definición.",58.9,60.84,{"idx":46,"utterance_id":86,"speaker_name":8,"text":87,"start_s":88,"end_s":89,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},"79792","¿Y cuál es la línea de pensamiento del Missão?",61.36,64.06,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":91,"speaker_name":8,"text":92,"start_s":93,"end_s":94,"word_count":95,"indexable":11},"79793","¿Es más de derecha o busca ser totalmente independiente, tener un candidato independiente aquí para el gobierno del Estado, para la presidencia?",64.3,72.04,21,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":8,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":73,"indexable":11},14,"79794","¿Cuál es la visión del Partido Missão a partir de aquí?",72.38,74.24,{"idx":103,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},15,"79795","Ambas cosas: ser de derecha y ser independiente.",75.36,78.42,{"idx":109,"utterance_id":110,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":111,"start_s":112,"end_s":113,"word_count":114,"indexable":11},16,"79796","Somos una derecha distinta de la derecha bolsonarista; ante todo tenemos coherencia y honestidad, cosas que faltaron durante el gobierno de Bolsonaro, que prometió grandes reformas económicas, no entregó la reforma administrativa, no hizo recortes de privilegios; de hecho, envió una reforma administrativa sin tocar a la élite.",79.52,97.38,43,{"idx":116,"utterance_id":117,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":118,"start_s":119,"end_s":120,"word_count":121,"indexable":11},17,"79797","del funcionariado público, sin la clase política, sin el poder judicial, sin el Ministerio Público, no consiguió aprobar una reforma tributaria; aprobó, de hecho, lo contrario.",97.8,107.34,24,{"idx":18,"utterance_id":123,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":124,"start_s":125,"end_s":126,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},"79798","Violó el techo de gastos prácticamente 20 veces y aprobó la PEC-CAMICAS.",108.12,111.84,{"idx":128,"utterance_id":129,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":130,"start_s":131,"end_s":132,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},19,"79799","Entonces, nuestro camino es una reforma profunda del Estado.",111.92,114.88,{"idx":134,"utterance_id":135,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":136,"start_s":137,"end_s":138,"word_count":48,"indexable":11},20,"79800","Hemos defendido una nueva Constitución.",115.16,117.42,{"idx":95,"utterance_id":140,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":141,"start_s":142,"end_s":143,"word_count":25,"indexable":11},"79801","Creemos que la Constitución de 88 es, en gran parte, responsable del fracaso del país en prácticamente todas las políticas públicas.",117.46,124.62,{"idx":145,"utterance_id":146,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":147,"start_s":148,"end_s":149,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},22,"79802","Nos hemos quedado atrás de la mayoría de nuestros pares, países en desarrollo.",124.72,129.64,{"idx":25,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":18,"indexable":11},"79803","Crecimos menos, tenemos un servicio de salud peor, tenemos un servicio de educación peor.",129.7,134.2,{"idx":121,"utterance_id":156,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":157,"start_s":158,"end_s":159,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},"79804","Un dato bastante alarmante que suelo citar.",135.02,137.32,{"idx":161,"utterance_id":162,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":163,"start_s":164,"end_s":165,"word_count":166,"indexable":11},25,"79805","es que el estudiante más pobre de Vietnam, en el Sudeste Asiático —el país tiene prácticamente el doble de pobreza que nosotros— tiene una puntuación en matemáticas en el PISA, en la evaluación internacional de la enseñanza media, muy parecida a la del alumno de la escuela más rica aquí en Brasil.",137.78,155.16,49,{"idx":168,"utterance_id":169,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":170,"start_s":171,"end_s":172,"word_count":95,"indexable":11},26,"79806","Entonces, ese es uno de los signos de nuestro fracaso, en infraestructura, también en competitividad; usted ve varios sectores de la industria nacional",155.2,163.96,{"idx":174,"utterance_id":175,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":176,"start_s":177,"end_s":178,"word_count":179,"indexable":11},27,"79807","defendiendo y haciendo lobby por la tasa de las \"buzinhas\", porque se quedó atrás, porque no luchó para que tuviéramos una infraestructura de producción más barata, no luchó para que tuviéramos una modernización de las leyes laborales y no fuera tan costoso, y que no tuvieras que pagar tanto al gobierno y tan poco al empleado.",164.44,184.86,60,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},"79808","tal como tenemos hoy nuestras obligaciones laborales.",185.18,187.78,{"idx":186,"utterance_id":187,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":188,"start_s":189,"end_s":190,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},29,"79809","Entonces, primer punto: la reforma profunda del Estado.",187.84,189.84,{"idx":192,"utterance_id":193,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":194,"start_s":195,"end_s":196,"word_count":197,"indexable":11},30,"79810","Segundo punto, una defensa muy vehemente del enfrentamiento al crimen organizado, una declaración de guerra contra el crimen organizado, una operación que involucre a las Fuerzas Armadas para la recuperación de los territorios hoy dominados por el crimen organizado y también operaciones de asfixia financiera, y hoy estamos viendo uno de los mayores escándalos, diría que el mayor escándalo de la historia del país, que es el caso del Banco Master, involucrado con el PCC y, más alarmantemente, involucrando al ministro supremo, la élite del Senado, la élite de la Cámara de Diputados, del Palácio do Canal.",189.92,223.56,93,{"idx":199,"utterance_id":200,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":201,"start_s":202,"end_s":203,"word_count":204,"indexable":11},31,"79811","Entonces, muy resumidamente, porque convocamos a diversos especialistas de todo Brasil para construir lo que llamamos el libro amarillo, que es, primero... un diagnóstico de por qué hemos llegado a donde estamos, dónde exactamente estamos hoy en todos los sectores.",223.74,239.68,45,{"idx":206,"utterance_id":207,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":208,"start_s":209,"end_s":210,"word_count":174,"indexable":11},32,"79812","Entonces, tenemos discusión del Libro Amarillo sobre defensa, sobre infraestructura, sobre seguridad, sobre salud, sobre educación, sobre el medio ambiente y hacia dónde queremos llegar.",239.78,248.46,{"idx":212,"utterance_id":213,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":214,"start_s":215,"end_s":216,"word_count":116,"indexable":11},33,"79813","Tenemos un programa construido bastante profundo, diferente de lo que defiende la mayoría de los partidos.",248.72,253.8,{"idx":218,"utterance_id":219,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":220,"start_s":221,"end_s":222,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},34,"79814","Usted ve a presidentes de partido utilizando el tiempo para hablar en la televisión.",253.84,257.04,{"idx":224,"utterance_id":225,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":226,"start_s":227,"end_s":228,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},35,"79815","Quiero más salud, quiero más educación, quiero más seguridad.",257.42,260.62,{"idx":230,"utterance_id":231,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":232,"start_s":233,"end_s":234,"word_count":41,"indexable":11},36,"79816","Bueno, ¿y quién quiere menos?",260.92,261.78,{"idx":236,"utterance_id":237,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":238,"start_s":239,"end_s":240,"word_count":48,"indexable":11},37,"79817","¿Cómo piensa llegar allí?",262.5,263.52,{"idx":242,"utterance_id":243,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":244,"start_s":245,"end_s":246,"word_count":18,"indexable":11},38,"79818","Todos tienen ese discurso genérico, sin ninguna coherencia, sin la profundidad que nosotros nos proponemos a hacer.",264.12,269.3,{"idx":248,"utterance_id":249,"speaker_name":8,"text":250,"start_s":251,"end_s":252,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},39,"79819","Estamos conversando con el diputado federal Kim Kataguiri.",270.28,272.92,{"idx":254,"utterance_id":255,"speaker_name":8,"text":256,"start_s":257,"end_s":258,"word_count":128,"indexable":11},40,"79820","Quisiera incorporar a esta conversación ahora a nuestra Thaís Romão, también comentarista política aquí en Jovem Pan Sorocaba.",273,278.78,{"idx":260,"utterance_id":261,"speaker_name":8,"text":262,"start_s":263,"end_s":264,"word_count":34,"indexable":11},41,"79821","Thaís, muy buenos días.",278.88,279.86,{"idx":266,"utterance_id":267,"speaker_name":8,"text":268,"start_s":269,"end_s":270,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},42,"79822","Bienvenida aquí a la charla con el diputado federal Kim Kataguiri.",279.96,282.68,{"idx":114,"utterance_id":272,"speaker_name":8,"text":273,"start_s":274,"end_s":275,"word_count":27,"indexable":11},"79823","Buenos días, Caio.",283.78,284.62,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":278,"speaker_name":8,"text":279,"start_s":280,"end_s":281,"word_count":41,"indexable":11},44,"79824","Oyentes, buenos días, diputado Kim.",284.66,286.24,{"idx":204,"utterance_id":283,"speaker_name":8,"text":284,"start_s":285,"end_s":286,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},"79825","Una pregunta, una curiosidad, en realidad, que tengo.",287.92,290.62,{"idx":288,"utterance_id":289,"speaker_name":8,"text":290,"start_s":291,"end_s":292,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},46,"79826","Hasta cierto punto, con el MBL, ustedes apoyaron al gobierno de Tarcísio en São Paulo.",291.08,297.36,{"idx":294,"utterance_id":295,"speaker_name":8,"text":296,"start_s":297,"end_s":298,"word_count":34,"indexable":11},47,"79827","Después rompieron ese apoyo.",298.2,300.44,{"idx":300,"utterance_id":301,"speaker_name":8,"text":302,"start_s":303,"end_s":304,"word_count":174,"indexable":11},48,"79828","Si el gobernador Tarcísio fuera candidato a la presidencia, si fuera el elegido en lugar de Flávio Bolsonaro, ¿cambiarían de rumbo, apoyarían a Tarcísio o Renan se mantiene como precandidato?",302.18,317.98,{"idx":166,"utterance_id":306,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":307,"start_s":308,"end_s":309,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},"79829","En todas las hipótesis, Renan es nuestro precandidato a la presidencia de la República.",318.72,322.62,{"idx":311,"utterance_id":312,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":313,"start_s":314,"end_s":315,"word_count":168,"indexable":11},50,"79830","No existe ninguna hipótesis en la que apoyemos a Tarcísio para la presidencia, además porque nuestra ruptura en la Asamblea Legislativa no fue en vano.",322.72,329.46,{"idx":317,"utterance_id":318,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":319,"start_s":320,"end_s":321,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},51,"79831","En numerosas ocasiones tuvimos fricciones con el gobierno.",331.02,334.26,{"idx":323,"utterance_id":324,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":325,"start_s":326,"end_s":327,"word_count":73,"indexable":11},52,"79832","Nuestro diputado estatal, Guto Zacarias, era vice-líder del gobierno de Tarcísio.",334.62,338.18,{"idx":329,"utterance_id":330,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":331,"start_s":332,"end_s":333,"word_count":206,"indexable":11},53,"79833","y recibía varios llamados cada vez que se enviaban proyectos por parte del Ministerio Público o del Tribunal de Justicia para aumentar privilegios de la magistratura o del Ministerio Público.",338.76,350.92,{"idx":335,"utterance_id":336,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":337,"start_s":338,"end_s":339,"word_count":260,"indexable":11},54,"79834","el gobierno de Tarcísio o hacía un llamado para que no dijéramos nada, para que nos quedáramos callados, o para que el diputado Guto, en vez de votar en contra, no votara, se ausentara del pleno; esto sucedió en varias ocasiones.",352.02,364.36,{"idx":341,"utterance_id":342,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":343,"start_s":344,"end_s":345,"word_count":114,"indexable":11},55,"79835","Cuando llegó la sexta, séptima vez, dijimos: mira, basta, no podemos seguir, no compactuamos con esta cobardía del gobierno del Estado de no enfrentar a quienes ya están en el 1% más rico de la población recibiendo dinero público.",364.44,378.18,{"idx":347,"utterance_id":348,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":349,"start_s":350,"end_s":351,"word_count":212,"indexable":11},56,"79836","Obvio que un fiscal y un juez deben ganar bien; ahora bien, 100 mil reais por mes, además queriendo aprobar más complementos para cobrar por encima del tope de 46 mil reais, eso ya es absurdo.",378.6,388.82,{"idx":353,"utterance_id":354,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":355,"start_s":356,"end_s":357,"word_count":95,"indexable":11},57,"79837","Por tanto, nuestra ruptura no fue en vano, además, claro, de que el gobernador Tarcísio actúa como un vasallo de la familia Bolsonaro.",388.86,397.9,{"idx":359,"utterance_id":360,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":361,"start_s":362,"end_s":363,"word_count":230,"indexable":11},58,"79838","Ahora, con la precandidatura del senador Flávio Bolsonaro, que es un sujeto ampliamente conocido por estar involucrado en diversos escándalos de empleados fantasmas y de \"rachadinha\", el gobernador Tarcísio descaradamente dice que va a apoyar a esa figura.",398.28,412.8,{"idx":365,"utterance_id":366,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":367,"start_s":368,"end_s":369,"word_count":116,"indexable":11},59,"79839","Entonces, eso supone un impedimento ético para que apoyemos a alguien que tiene ese nivel de sumisión.",412.86,423,{"idx":179,"utterance_id":371,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":372,"start_s":373,"end_s":374,"word_count":218,"indexable":11},"79840","la agenda de la familia Bolsonaro y, al mismo tiempo, ya demostró en el gobierno del Estado que no tiene coraje de enfrentarse ni al poder judicial ni a sectores del Ministerio Público que defienden aumentos de privilegios.",423.6,433.86,{"idx":376,"utterance_id":377,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":378,"start_s":379,"end_s":380,"word_count":317,"indexable":11},61,"79841","Imagine si es el presidente de la República enfrentando una institución mucho más poderosa que es el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) o enfrentando el lobby de la Procuraduría General de la República para aumento de privilegios de sus categorías y también para usurpar las competencias del Ejecutivo y del Legislativo; la cobardía será mucho mayor.",433.92,449.66,{"idx":382,"utterance_id":383,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":384,"start_s":385,"end_s":386,"word_count":199,"indexable":11},62,"79842","Y yo, personalmente, considero que una de las principales agendas del próximo presidente de la República tiene que ser un enfrentamiento, tiene que ser un freno a los abusos del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",449.82,458.26,{"idx":388,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":8,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},63,"79843","Ahora, diputado, usted dijo que el partido Missão, su visión, es la derecha.",459.26,464.92,{"idx":394,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":8,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":18,"indexable":11},64,"79844","En una eventual segunda vuelta entre Flávio Bolsonaro y Lula, ¿el Missão, el MBL, se coloca del lado de quién?",465.52,472.6,{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":54,"indexable":11},65,"79845","No trabajamos con esa hipótesis.",473.72,474.96,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},66,"79846","La única hipótesis que manejamos es la de Renan Santos en la segunda vuelta.",475.04,477.56,{"idx":412,"utterance_id":413,"speaker_name":8,"text":414,"start_s":415,"end_s":416,"word_count":41,"indexable":11},67,"79847","¿Y si eso no sucede?",479,480.46,{"idx":418,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":420,"start_s":421,"end_s":422,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},68,"79848","Si eso no sucede, no contemplamos la hipótesis de que no suceda.",481.9,484.62,{"idx":424,"utterance_id":425,"speaker_name":8,"text":426,"start_s":427,"end_s":428,"word_count":20,"indexable":11},69,"79849","Está bien.",485.56,486.08,{"idx":430,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":8,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":20,"indexable":11},70,"79850","Thais Romão.",486.82,487.26,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":8,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":192,"indexable":11},71,"79851","Bueno, a pesar de las críticas al gobierno Bolsonaro, a la familia Bolsonaro, ¿cómo ve usted la conducción del ministro Alexandre de Moraes con respecto a la prisión del expresidente Jair Bolsonaro?",489.12,505.52,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":443,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":444,"start_s":445,"end_s":446,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},72,"79852","Mire, primero, en el mérito del proceso, considero innegable que Jair Bolsonaro es culpable.",506.92,511.9,{"idx":448,"utterance_id":449,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":450,"start_s":451,"end_s":452,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},73,"79853","Y fue culpable, incluso produciendo pruebas contra sí mismo de una manera bastante torpe y amateur.",512.7,518.42,{"idx":454,"utterance_id":455,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":456,"start_s":457,"end_s":458,"word_count":166,"indexable":11},74,"79854","Imprimir un borrador de golpe en la impresora del Planalto (Palacio Presidencial), ni siquiera te tomas la molestia de imprimirlo en una impresora de casa o de una papelería, y lo sometes... Hasta ahí, incluso si hubieras impreso ese borrador, no sería delito, es un acto preparatorio.",519.12,537.94,{"idx":460,"utterance_id":461,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":462,"start_s":463,"end_s":464,"word_count":236,"indexable":11},75,"79855","Ahora bien, someter eso a los comandantes de las tres armas y no llevar el proyecto adelante sólo porque el comandante del Ejército amenazó al presidente de la República con prisión, eso, sin duda alguna, constituye un intento de golpe.",538.26,550.14,{"idx":466,"utterance_id":467,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":468,"start_s":469,"end_s":470,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},76,"79856","Ahora... Eso tampoco significa validar los abusos de Alexandre de Moraes.",550.38,554.1,{"idx":472,"utterance_id":473,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":474,"start_s":475,"end_s":476,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},77,"79857","Sólo había dos posibilidades de enjuiciamiento para Jair Bolsonaro en cuanto a competencia.",554.74,559.14,{"idx":478,"utterance_id":479,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":480,"start_s":481,"end_s":482,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},78,"79858","Y recordemos que la competencia fue la excusa utilizada para anular toda la Operación Lava Jato.",559.3,564.8,{"idx":484,"utterance_id":485,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":486,"start_s":487,"end_s":488,"word_count":116,"indexable":11},79,"79859","El abuso ahora cometido es mucho mayor que aquel que supuestamente denunciaron en la Lava Jato.",565.48,571.48,{"idx":490,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":20,"indexable":11},80,"79860","¿Por qué?",571.58,571.82,{"idx":496,"utterance_id":497,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":498,"start_s":499,"end_s":500,"word_count":116,"indexable":11},81,"79861","O se seguía la jurisprudencia del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), que es para casos de autoridades de la República que tuvieron fuero privilegiado,",572.44,579.86,{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":95,"indexable":11},82,"79862","y si se involucraron en un escándalo enorme de repercusión, son juzgados por el pleno del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), no por una sala.",580.64,587.18,{"idx":508,"utterance_id":509,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":510,"start_s":511,"end_s":512,"word_count":25,"indexable":11},83,"79863","El caso de Jair Bolsonaro fue juzgado por una sala por casuísmo, por autoritarismo de Alexandre de Moraes y del ministro Flávio Dino.",587.54,595.94,{"idx":514,"utterance_id":515,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":516,"start_s":517,"end_s":518,"word_count":199,"indexable":11},84,"79864","Otra posibilidad, que es la que entiendo que era correcta porque es lo que establece la ley, era el juicio en primera instancia, porque ese presidente no tiene fuero privilegiado.",596.76,606.6,{"idx":520,"utterance_id":521,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":522,"start_s":523,"end_s":524,"word_count":48,"indexable":11},85,"79865","Entonces, primero, la discusión sobre la competencia.",607.1,609.22,{"idx":526,"utterance_id":527,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":528,"start_s":529,"end_s":530,"word_count":34,"indexable":11},86,"79866","Segundo, todo el proceso.",609.3,610.98,{"idx":532,"utterance_id":533,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":534,"start_s":535,"end_s":536,"word_count":224,"indexable":11},87,"79867","No hubo respeto al juez natural, el proceso no fue sorteado, fue enviado directamente al ministro Alexandre de Moraes, que supuestamente es víctima de todo ese proceso, por lo tanto no podía haberlo juzgado.",611.8,622.7,{"idx":538,"utterance_id":539,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":540,"start_s":541,"end_s":542,"word_count":95,"indexable":11},88,"79868","Después, no permitió acceso a las pruebas para que la defensa pudiera presentar su respuesta a la acusación en el momento de la denuncia",623.12,635.66,{"idx":544,"utterance_id":545,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":546,"start_s":547,"end_s":548,"word_count":27,"indexable":11},89,"79869","del Ministerio Público.",636.08,636.96,{"idx":550,"utterance_id":551,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":552,"start_s":553,"end_s":554,"word_count":161,"indexable":11},90,"79870","y luego, en las alegaciones finales, arrojó 80 terabytes de datos para que la defensa pudiera minarlos allí en el despacho de abogados para presentar la defensa.",637.12,649.52,{"idx":556,"utterance_id":557,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":558,"start_s":559,"end_s":560,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},91,"79871","Entonces, así... El proceso fue viciado, el proceso fue ilegal.",649.56,653.64,{"idx":562,"utterance_id":563,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":564,"start_s":565,"end_s":566,"word_count":311,"indexable":11},92,"79872","Jair Bolsonaro podría muy bien haber sido condenado y ver firme su sentencia siguiendo el debido proceso legal, siguiendo el proceso en primera instancia y luego teniendo la confirmación en segunda instancia; pero, desafortunadamente, en esta ansia de demostración de fuerza del ministro Alexandre de Moraes, prefirieron cometer un abuso.",654.76,673.72,{"idx":197,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":8,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},"79873","Entonces, solo para complementar, Caio, solo para complementar.",674.52,677.42,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":8,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":61,"indexable":11},94,"79874","Bien, usted dijo que cree que él es culpable, en primer lugar.",679.46,683.2,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":8,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":48,"indexable":11},95,"79875","Segundo paso, el proceso es nulo.",684.74,686.34,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":8,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},96,"79876","Yo también creo que el proceso sea nulo.",688.86,690.84,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":8,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},97,"79877","No creo que él sea culpable, pero creo que todo el proceso es nulo.",691.54,696.84,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":8,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},98,"79878","Entonces, ante eso, ¿usted cree que él podría postularse a la presidencia de la República?",697.04,703.34,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":25,"indexable":11},99,"79879","Pues bien, evidentemente que si fuéramos a seguir, si se declarara la nulidad del proceso, él tendría condición de disputar la elección.",703.38,710.98,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":161,"indexable":11},100,"79880","Además, creo que de hecho no tendría la condición, a pesar de tener el derecho, porque él no reúne condiciones de salud para disputar una elección presidencial.",711.06,719.06,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":8,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":48,"indexable":11},101,"79881","Excepto por la condición de salud, ¿no?",719.1,721.18,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":8,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":13,"indexable":11},102,"79882","¿Perdón?",721.24,721.66,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":8,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},103,"79883","Quitando la condición de salud, me refiero a esa nulidad del proceso, entonces...",722.36,726.62,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":61,"indexable":11},104,"79884","Sí, en realidad, bueno, creo que tenemos dos hipótesis, ¿no?",728.18,730.78,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":18,"indexable":11},105,"79885","Si hubiera la declaración de nulidad del proceso, digamos, si hoy se declarara la nulidad del proceso.",731.2,735.28,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":128,"indexable":11},106,"79886","Si se inicia el proceso en primera instancia y hay confirmación de la condena en segunda, él quedará inelegible.",736.82,743.44,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},107,"79887","Pero creo que esa es una discusión vacía, porque esa hipótesis no existe.",743.82,747.08,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":39,"indexable":11},108,"79888","No habrá declaración de nulidad del proceso, el proceso continuará, Bolsonaro seguirá preso, no habrá cuestionamientos en ese sentido, porque no hay fuerza política.",747.66,757.86,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},109,"79889","para que Jair Bolsonaro revierta eso en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",758.26,761.06,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":230,"indexable":11},110,"79890","Entonces, de hecho, si el proceso fuera declarado nulo, lo que técnicamente debería hacerse, él podría tener... De hecho, él no tendría condiciones para disputar la elección porque aún existía una condena previa por parte del TSE (Tribunal Superior Electoral).",761.14,772.68,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},111,"79891","Así que, aun así, él no tendría derechos políticos.",772.9,774.42,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},112,"79892","Incluso con la declaración de nulidad, en ninguna hipótesis podría disputar la elección.",774.9,778.76,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":8,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":61,"indexable":11},113,"79893","Diputado Federal, Kim Kataguiri conversando con nosotros aquí en la mañana de este miércoles.",780.42,783.96,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":8,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":199,"indexable":11},114,"79894","Permítame cambiar un poco de tema, diputado, porque fue un asunto planteado por nuestros oyentes esta mañana respecto a las nuevas reglas de la CNH, Licencia Nacional de Conducir.",784,793.6,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":8,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":128,"indexable":11},115,"79895","Y entonces uno de nuestros oyentes recordó que el proyecto para ese cambio de reglas es de Kim Kataguiri.",794.22,799.74,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":8,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":48,"indexable":11},116,"79896","Proyecto de ley 4.474 de 2020.",799.88,802.26,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":8,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},117,"79897","Incluso hay un video suyo diciendo que Lula le robó su proyecto.",802.68,806.72,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":8,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":27,"indexable":11},118,"79898","¿Es eso cierto?",806.92,807.36,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":34,"indexable":11},119,"79899","Exactamente, ¿no?",808.78,809.68,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},120,"79900","Además de robar dinero público, Lula también robó un proyecto de ley, ¿no?",809.86,812.56,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":25,"indexable":11},121,"79901","Y lo recuerdo muy bien: en 2020 logré aprobar la urgencia de ese proyecto en el pleno y lo incluimos en el orden del día para votación.",812.74,820.88,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":174,"indexable":11},122,"79902","y solo no fue votado porque el lobby de las autoescuelas logró que tanto el PT como el PL se posicionaran en contra de ese proyecto.",821.16,829.42,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},123,"79903","Entonces, me resulta muy curioso todos los diputados del PT que fueron diputados conmigo en la legislatura pasada",829.62,835.92,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":436,"indexable":11},124,"79904","defendiendo y celebrando esta decisión de Lula ahora, cuando esa medida solo no está en vigor desde 2020 por la actuación del propio PT, por el discurso del propio PT de que sería un caos en el tráfico, que aumentaría el número de accidentes, como si ahora tuviéramos pocos, como si las autoescuelas hoy hubieran impedido que tengamos un número grotesco de accidentes de tránsito.",836.22,857.88,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":75,"indexable":11},125,"79905","Entonces, lamentablemente, tenemos esa mezquindad en la política brasileña.",857.92,864.08,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},126,"79906","de parlamentarios y partidos bloqueando buenos proyectos porque esos buenos proyectos vienen de sus adversarios políticos.",865.46,871.78,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":54,"indexable":11},127,"79907","Qué bueno que Lula hizo eso.",873.28,874.74,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},128,"79908","Me importa que la medida se implemente.",875.88,878.52,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":97,"indexable":11},129,"79909","No voy a obstruir, no voy a presentar acciones judiciales solo porque lo hizo Lula.",879.1,883.92,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},130,"79910","A diferencia de la actitud que tuvo el PT conmigo al bloquear ese proyecto porque venía de mí.",884.16,888.9,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":236,"indexable":11},131,"79911","No voy a bloquear una buena iniciativa del Presidente de la República, que, además, no podría dejar de reconocer como buena, aunque inicialmente proviniera de mí, sólo porque vino de un adversario político.",889.4,899.26,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":8,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":109,"indexable":11},132,"79912","Thaís, antes de su última pregunta, quería cerrar de mi parte, al menos por ahora.",899.88,903.62,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":8,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":134,"indexable":11},133,"79913","De 0 a 10, aún sobre este tema, de 0 a 10, ¿qué nota usted le da al gobierno de Lula?",904.18,907.84,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":18,"indexable":11},134,"79914","Creo que sería imposible dar una nota de 0 a 10, porque consideraría que sería negativa.",910.88,915.88,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},135,"79915","Porque el 0 partiría de la premisa de que el país no avanzó.",916.22,918.86,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},136,"79916","Y considero que el país ha retrocedido.",919.24,921.8,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":236,"indexable":11},137,"79917","Ya desde una posición muy precaria en la que el país ya se encontraba antes de este tercer mandato del gobierno de Lula y del quinto mandato del PT, pero él logró la proeza de empeorar aún más nuestra situación.",923.84,935.24,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":61,"indexable":11},138,"79918","No sé ni si es posible traducir esto a un número natural.",935.34,940.62,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":8,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":20,"indexable":11},139,"79919","Thaís Romão.",941.64,942.08,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":8,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":63,"indexable":11},140,"79920","Bueno, ahora ustedes tienen un partido, una misión.",943.76,946,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":8,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":218,"indexable":11},141,"79921","Y ante tantas críticas respecto al fondo electoral, a todo esto que vemos que está pasando con el dinero de la población, usado para campañas, en fin, un fondo muy grande.",947.14,959.64,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":8,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":32,"indexable":11},142,"79922","¿Cuál es la diferencia del Partido Missão con respecto a los otros partidos?",959.68,962.98,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":8,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":54,"indexable":11},143,"79923","¿Qué van a hacer de diferente?",963.12,964.62,{"idx":873,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":34,"indexable":11},144,"79924","Bueno, muchas cosas, ¿no?",965.96,967.36,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":134,"indexable":11},145,"79925","Primero, fui uno de los pocos parlamentarios que votó en contra de la ley presupuestaria anual y de la ley de directrices presupuestarias.",967.78,974.54,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":206,"indexable":11},146,"79926","Por ejemplo, todos los diputados del PL votaron a favor de retirar recursos públicos de la educación y de la salud para aumentar el fondo electoral y también recortar inversión.",974.84,988.48,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":145,"indexable":11},147,"79927","Entonces, la primera postura es lo que ya hago de diferente, estando en otro partido, porque tengo independencia para hacerlo.",988.74,995.24,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":39,"indexable":11},148,"79928","Siempre he tenido independencia y siempre voté contra mi partido cuando tenía una posición contraria; siempre me pronuncié en contra de mi partido cuando así lo pensaba.",995.9,1003.42,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":199,"indexable":11},149,"79929","Ahora, gracias a Dios, ya no voy a necesitar eso, porque mi postura siempre será la de mi partido, porque voy a estar en el partido en el que creo, el Partido Missão.",1003.78,1009.78,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":46,"indexable":11},150,"79930","Entonces, ese es el primer punto: nuestra postura desde hace mucho tiempo.",1009.82,1014.86,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":27,"indexable":11},151,"79931","Siempre ha sido esa.",1015.3,1016.02,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":73,"indexable":11},152,"79932","Y la diferencia fundamental es que nosotros somos un partido político.",1016.44,1019.52,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":25,"indexable":11},153,"79933","La mayor parte de los que se autodenominan partido político en Brasil no lo son, porque un partido tiene creencias, porque un partido tiene 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