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Bolsonaro, gracias por abrir su agenda y hablar con nosotros de SBT en esta que es la primera entrevista concedida a una cadena de TV abierta de Brasil aquí en Estados Unidos.",8.66,31,false,{"idx":14,"utterance_id":15,"speaker_name":8,"text":16,"start_s":17,"end_s":18,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},1,"13269","Gracias.",8.7,9.1,{"idx":20,"utterance_id":21,"speaker_name":8,"text":22,"start_s":23,"end_s":24,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},2,"13270","Le agradezco la oportunidad.",9.38,10.38,5,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":28,"speaker_name":8,"text":29,"start_s":30,"end_s":31,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},3,"13271","Siempre es bueno hablar con la prensa respetable como SBT.",10.42,13.04,9,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":35,"speaker_name":8,"text":16,"start_s":36,"end_s":37,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},4,"13272",13.34,13.74,{"idx":25,"utterance_id":39,"speaker_name":8,"text":40,"start_s":41,"end_s":42,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},"13273","Es la segunda vez que nos encontramos en el marco de la CIPAC, que es la Convención Conservadora aquí en Estados Unidos y que se celebró este fin de semana aquí en Florida, la CIPAC Latina.",14.28,24.4,33,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":46,"speaker_name":8,"text":47,"start_s":48,"end_s":49,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},6,"13274","Usted dio un discurso el primer día.",25.06,27.26,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":52,"speaker_name":8,"text":53,"start_s":54,"end_s":55,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},7,"13275","Es la primera vez que esta CIPAC Latina se realiza, que es la unión de liderazgos políticos y también del universo financiero de Wall Street.",28.8,35.92,24,{"idx":58,"utterance_id":59,"speaker_name":8,"text":60,"start_s":61,"end_s":62,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},8,"13276","¿Cómo se conectan aquí en Estados Unidos esos dos universos, el político y el financiero, desde la perspectiva 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corrupción, vienen aquí para construir un país, una tierra donde puedan tener dignidad, una mejor comodidad para su familia.",80.2,92.3,41,{"idx":111,"utterance_id":112,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":113,"start_s":114,"end_s":115,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},16,"13284","Así que los latinos aquí están muy concentrados, principalmente en Florida: cubanos, personas de El Salvador, Nicaragua, Brasil, Colombia, por eso terminó siendo el lugar perfecto para esa audiencia.",92.36,103.3,27,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":118,"speaker_name":8,"text":119,"start_s":120,"end_s":121,"word_count":122,"indexable":12},"13285","En ese discurso suyo, en la CIPAC Latina, aquí en Florida, en el primer día del evento, usted habló de la guerra del poder judicial en Brasil, que, según sus palabras, el poder judicial en Brasil ha apuntado a liderazgos conservadores de una manera 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inconstitucionalidades.",143.26,149.1,{"idx":144,"utterance_id":145,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":146,"start_s":147,"end_s":148,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},21,"13289","Por ejemplo, van a apresurarse políticamente para condenar a Jair Bolsonaro porque el año que viene es año electoral y no quieren hacerlo entonces.",149.86,156.54,{"idx":129,"utterance_id":150,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":151,"start_s":152,"end_s":153,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},"13290","Eso es una afrenta a cualquier tipo de procedimiento estándar del debido proceso legal.",157.24,162.24,{"idx":155,"utterance_id":156,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":157,"start_s":158,"end_s":159,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},23,"13291","Cuando se procesa a personas comunes que no tienen un fuero privilegiado en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), eso también es otra violación.",162.6,167.3,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":161,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":162,"start_s":163,"end_s":164,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},"13292","Entonces existe una serie de violaciones.",167.7,169.24,{"idx":166,"utterance_id":167,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":168,"start_s":169,"end_s":170,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},25,"13293","Cuando se toma al juez que se dice víctima, cuando el juez que hace la inquisición de personas que hacen delación premiada, como el caso de Cid, algo expresamente prohibido en la legislación federal.",169.64,180.5,{"idx":103,"utterance_id":172,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":173,"start_s":174,"end_s":175,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},"13294","Todo eso contribuye a este tipo de crítica.",181.02,183.68,{"idx":116,"utterance_id":177,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":178,"start_s":179,"end_s":180,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},"13295","En su defensa, él dice que son ataques, pero en realidad son solo críticas.",184.26,189.4,{"idx":182,"utterance_id":183,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":184,"start_s":185,"end_s":186,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},28,"13296","Y finalizo recordando los reportajes del periodista Glenn Greenwald, donde consiguió el WhatsApp del entorno de Moraes y jueces conversaron diciendo que Moraes quiere agarrarme, quiere agarrar a Eduardo Bolsonaro.",190.08,202.04,{"idx":188,"utterance_id":189,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":190,"start_s":191,"end_s":192,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},29,"13297","Esa es la persona que hasta hoy está abriendo investigaciones contra mí, debido a mi actividad aquí en Estados Unidos, que ellos mismos dijeron hace dos meses que era una actividad ilegal.",202.6,211.04,{"idx":194,"utterance_id":195,"speaker_name":8,"text":196,"start_s":197,"end_s":198,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},30,"13298","Citando entonces ese nuevo proceso que usted mismo citó ahora, que fue abierto recientemente... acogiendo la petición de la PGR, la Procuraduría General de la República.",211.74,222.14,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":200,"speaker_name":8,"text":201,"start_s":202,"end_s":203,"word_count":204,"indexable":12},"13299","La acusación afirma que con esos discursos aquí en el exterior, aquí en Estados Unidos, usted estaría, según dice la acusación, interfiriendo en el proceso, en el desarrollo de otro proceso que investiga lo que ocurrió el 8 de enero de 2023.",222.4,238.68,44,{"idx":206,"utterance_id":207,"speaker_name":8,"text":208,"start_s":209,"end_s":210,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},32,"13300","¿Cómo rebate usted esa afirmación?",238.96,241.68,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":212,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":213,"start_s":214,"end_s":215,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},"13301","Intentan desacreditarme.",241.88,243.02,{"idx":217,"utterance_id":218,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":219,"start_s":220,"end_s":221,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},34,"13302","primero, diciendo que mi acción aquí es una acción totalmente personal para salvar a mi padre, Jair Bolsonaro.",243.08,247.46,{"idx":136,"utterance_id":223,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":224,"start_s":225,"end_s":226,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},"13303","Mentira.",247.9,248.3,{"idx":228,"utterance_id":229,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":230,"start_s":231,"end_s":232,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},36,"13304","Jair Bolsonaro nunca estuvo en la mesa de las conversaciones que tenemos aquí, ni en la Casa Blanca, ni en el Congreso.",248.8,254.42,{"idx":84,"utterance_id":234,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":235,"start_s":236,"end_s":237,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},"13305","Es obvio que deseamos una amnistía, porque eso significa el fin de la persecución política en Brasil.",254.84,259.54,{"idx":239,"utterance_id":240,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":241,"start_s":242,"end_s":243,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},38,"13306","Existen diversos parlamentarios que tienen investigación en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), parlamentarios que incluso son proyectados para ganar elecciones, lideran disputas para la elección de senador el año que viene, por ejemplo, Felipe Barros en Paraná.",260,269.96,{"idx":245,"utterance_id":246,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":247,"start_s":248,"end_s":249,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},39,"13307","Entonces esa es mi crítica.",270.52,272.38,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":251,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":252,"start_s":253,"end_s":254,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},"13308","Y no existe un ataque a la soberanía brasileña.",272.72,274.7,{"idx":109,"utterance_id":256,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":257,"start_s":258,"end_s":259,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},"13309","Las sanciones son instrumentos legales a disposición de Estados Unidos y que se aplican tradicionalmente a países considerados 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debería investigarse lo que ocurrió el 8 de enero de 2023?",294.3,299.1,{"idx":290,"utterance_id":291,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":292,"start_s":293,"end_s":294,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},47,"13315","Mire, como fueron investigadas todas las manifestaciones de la izquierda en el pasado.",299.72,303.14,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":296,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":297,"start_s":298,"end_s":299,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},"13316","Ya vi a un policía legislativo recibir una flechada en la pierna.",303.68,306.92,{"idx":301,"utterance_id":302,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":303,"start_s":304,"end_s":305,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},49,"13317","Esas personas ni siquiera fueron detenidas.",307.28,309.44,{"idx":307,"utterance_id":308,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":309,"start_s":310,"end_s":311,"word_count":166,"indexable":12},50,"13318","Ya vi manifestaciones del MST donde 30 policías militares resultaron heridos, entre ellos mujeres, personas que tuvieron que recibir puntos en la cabeza, traumatismo craneoencefálico.",309.98,318.06,{"idx":313,"utterance_id":314,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":315,"start_s":316,"end_s":317,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},51,"13319","Nadie fue a la cárcel.",318.36,319.2,{"idx":319,"utterance_id":320,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":321,"start_s":322,"end_s":323,"word_count":324,"indexable":12},52,"13320","El 8 de enero, aunque... lamentable, triste, se puede hasta decir repugnante, fue un romper y tirar puertas, mesas, no hubo nadie herido, no hubo un disparo, no se incautó un arma, y aun así esas personas son acusadas de abolición violenta del Estado Democrático de Derecho, formación de una banda armada, porque dicen que había militares de la reserva que tienen arma, pero las armas están en casa, nadie sacó un fusil, no hubo apoyo de la policía, no hubo apoyo del 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entrevista nuestra, el domingo 29 de junio, en Brasil ocurre una manifestación en la Avenida Paulista, en São Paulo.",365.88,375.38,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":351,"speaker_name":8,"text":352,"start_s":353,"end_s":354,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},57,"13325","El expresidente Jair Bolsonaro está allí.",375.44,377.36,{"idx":356,"utterance_id":357,"speaker_name":8,"text":358,"start_s":359,"end_s":360,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},58,"13326","Algunas personas preocupadas por su estado de salud.",378.38,380.52,{"idx":362,"utterance_id":363,"speaker_name":8,"text":364,"start_s":365,"end_s":366,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},59,"13327","¿Usted habló con su padre antes de esa manifestación?",380.58,383.52,{"idx":368,"utterance_id":369,"speaker_name":8,"text":370,"start_s":371,"end_s":372,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},60,"13328","¿Está de alguna forma preocupado?",384.24,386.54,{"idx":374,"utterance_id":375,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":376,"start_s":377,"end_s":378,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},61,"13329","Preocupado estoy por su juicio.",386.58,387.8,{"idx":380,"utterance_id":381,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":382,"start_s":383,"end_s":384,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},62,"13330","La salud, no tanto, ¿no?",387.84,388.82,{"idx":386,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},63,"13331","Él tiene el apodo de Cavalo, fue 17 años atleta del Ejército, 01 de su turma de la Ezefex, en la Escuela de Educación Física, allí en Praia da Urca, en Praia Vermelha.",389.3,398.58,{"idx":392,"utterance_id":393,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":394,"start_s":395,"end_s":396,"word_count":166,"indexable":12},64,"13332","Entonces, su salud claro, ya tiene 70 años, no es ningún chico, pero no es lo que más me preocupa, siendo muy sincero.",399.08,404.22,{"idx":398,"utterance_id":399,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":400,"start_s":401,"end_s":402,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},65,"13333","Me preocupa mucho más el activismo judicial.",404.36,406.98,{"idx":404,"utterance_id":405,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":406,"start_s":407,"end_s":408,"word_count":350,"indexable":12},66,"13334","que pretende arrojar a la cárcel a un presidente que no tuvo ningún enriquecimiento ilícito, no causó ningún daño al contribuyente, muy al contrario, sale por las calles, él es amado, mientras el actual ocupante de la silla presidencial jamás hizo siquiera una demostración pública de poder popular, salvo algunos pequeños eventos regados por su militancia, todos saben cómo.",407.54,429.24,{"idx":410,"utterance_id":411,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":412,"start_s":413,"end_s":414,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},67,"13335","Entonces lo que me preocupa mucho más es esa injusticia, porque, Patrícia, al final de cuentas, quieren enterrar nuestro movimiento.",429.9,435.92,{"idx":416,"utterance_id":417,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":418,"start_s":419,"end_s":420,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},68,"13336","Ese es el objetivo de Alexandre de Moraes.",437.4,439.1,{"idx":422,"utterance_id":423,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":424,"start_s":425,"end_s":426,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},69,"13337","Porque si Bolsonaro cae, caerá toda la derecha.",439.72,442.66,{"idx":428,"utterance_id":429,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":430,"start_s":431,"end_s":432,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},70,"13338","Habrá una disputa por un nuevo liderazgo.",443.2,445.1,{"idx":434,"utterance_id":435,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":436,"start_s":437,"end_s":438,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},71,"13339","No habrá un apoyo recíproco de lado a lado, sin un liderazgo, para nuestros candidatos al Senado el año que viene.",445.68,451.34,{"idx":440,"utterance_id":441,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":442,"start_s":443,"end_s":444,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},72,"13340","Entonces, esa es la gran jugada de Alexandre de Moraes.",451.92,454.34,{"idx":446,"utterance_id":447,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":448,"start_s":449,"end_s":450,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},73,"13341","Y eso abrirá espacio para una tercera vía.",454.48,457.42,{"idx":452,"utterance_id":453,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":454,"start_s":455,"end_s":456,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},74,"13342","Una persona que haga, tal vez, una derecha permitida.",458.6,461.14,{"idx":458,"utterance_id":459,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":460,"start_s":461,"end_s":462,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},75,"13343","o una persona que venga a negociar todo con el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), en fin.",461.7,466.02,{"idx":464,"utterance_id":465,"speaker_name":8,"text":466,"start_s":467,"end_s":468,"word_count":206,"indexable":12},76,"13344","La existencia de los tres poderes, trayendo una comparación aquí con Estados Unidos, la Corte Suprema de Estados Unidos definió el pasado viernes que instancias inferiores no deben interferir en órdenes ejecutivas.",467.48,482.18,{"idx":470,"utterance_id":471,"speaker_name":8,"text":472,"start_s":473,"end_s":474,"word_count":155,"indexable":12},77,"13345","La jueza, en la descripción del voto aquí de la Corte Suprema, afirmó que si así fuera, el poder judicial estaría... definiendo normas para el ejecutivo.",482.9,492.38,{"idx":476,"utterance_id":477,"speaker_name":8,"text":478,"start_s":479,"end_s":480,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},78,"13346","Esto para contextualizar un ejemplo aquí de Estados Unidos que involucra al judicial y al ejecutivo.",493.76,498.8,{"idx":482,"utterance_id":483,"speaker_name":8,"text":484,"start_s":485,"end_s":486,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},79,"13347","Esa discusión de los tres poderes, ¿ve usted alguna relación de esa discusión aquí y también en nuestro país?",498.9,504.82,{"idx":488,"utterance_id":489,"speaker_name":8,"text":490,"start_s":491,"end_s":492,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},80,"13348","Es exactamente la misma discusión.",505.5,507.1,{"idx":494,"utterance_id":495,"speaker_name":8,"text":496,"start_s":497,"end_s":498,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},81,"13349","Las estrategias para frenar gobiernos que no son de izquierda son exactamente las mismas.",508.36,512.14,{"idx":324,"utterance_id":500,"speaker_name":8,"text":501,"start_s":502,"end_s":503,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},"13350","¿Pero por qué la división de izquierda y derecha?",512.18,514.3,{"idx":505,"utterance_id":506,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":507,"start_s":508,"end_s":509,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},83,"13351","Porque la izquierda está muy bien organizada en todo el mundo.",514.46,516.86,{"idx":511,"utterance_id":512,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":513,"start_s":514,"end_s":515,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},84,"13352","Basta ver, Biden no tuvo esos problemas con jueces.",516.98,519.28,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},85,"13353","No vio usted a un juez de primera instancia dar una orden y que hubiera una gran discusión en Estados Unidos sobre si esa orden debía o no ser seguida.",520.3,525.78,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":166,"indexable":12},86,"13354","Y mire que Biden también estuvo aquí durante bastante tiempo, en una pandemia, hubo diversas obligaciones que hoy se muestran ineficaces, uso de mascarilla,",526.26,534.22,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},87,"13355","etc.,",534.28,534.44,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},88,"13356","obligación de vacunarse.",534.78,535.94,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},89,"13357","Eso no era un problema con Biden, pero sí es un problema con Trump, es un problema con Bolsonaro.",536.44,540.9,{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":155,"indexable":12},90,"13358","Naíbe Bukele, en su primera llamada... Fue en una entrevista, publicitó la primera llamada telefónica con Javier Millet, recién presidente electo de Argentina.",541.44,549.76,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},91,"13359","Y dijo que el mayor desafío de Millet será tener que vencer a esas personas que quieren bloquearlo.",550.32,553.8,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},92,"13360","Bukele solo se transformó en Bukele y logró resolver la seguridad pública de El Salvador a mitad de su mandato presidencial, cuando ocurrieron las elecciones para el Congreso.",554.44,564.38,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},93,"13361","El Congreso fue renovado, con una mayoría aplastante a favor de Bukele.",564.92,570.62,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},94,"13362","¿Y cuál fue la primera cosa que tuvo que hacer?",571.38,572.78,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},95,"13363","el impeachment de los cinco ministros de la Sala de Justicia, el equivalente a nuestro STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) en Brasil, y del Procurador General de la República.",574.1,580.58,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},96,"13364","Y solo después de eso Bukele logró hacer las reformas legislativas que transformaron El Salvador, del país más violento del mundo, a un país más seguro que Canadá hoy en día.",580.88,589.22,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},97,"13365","Entonces ahí anda ese problema.",589.7,591.96,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},98,"13366","Y la izquierda nunca se queja.",592.18,593.8,{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":603,"start_s":604,"end_s":605,"word_count":20,"indexable":12},99,"13367","¿Por qué?",593.86,594.08,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":608,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":609,"start_s":610,"end_s":611,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},100,"13368","Porque la izquierda se beneficia de todo esto.",594.18,596.56,{"idx":613,"utterance_id":614,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":615,"start_s":616,"end_s":617,"word_count":166,"indexable":12},101,"13369","Se beneficia de este juego de activismo judicial en la mesa porque se protegen, porque ese es el mecanismo que les hizo llegar al poder.",597.28,606.34,{"idx":619,"utterance_id":620,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":621,"start_s":622,"end_s":623,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},102,"13370","Es el mecanismo que sacó a Lula de la cárcel y en dos años lo transformó en presidente de la República.",606.8,611.16,{"idx":625,"utterance_id":626,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":627,"start_s":628,"end_s":629,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},103,"13371","Es el mecanismo por el que fui obligado a eliminar publicaciones durante la campaña de 2022 que resucitaban a Lula y a Nicolás Maduro.",611.56,618,{"idx":631,"utterance_id":632,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":633,"start_s":634,"end_s":635,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},104,"13372","Es el mecanismo que me prohibió hacer una campaña.",618.6,620.52,{"idx":637,"utterance_id":638,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":639,"start_s":640,"end_s":641,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},105,"13373","mostrando la verdad sobre Lula.",620.96,622.1,{"idx":643,"utterance_id":644,"speaker_name":8,"text":645,"start_s":646,"end_s":647,"word_count":338,"indexable":12},106,"13374","Ya que usted citó publicaciones, la cuestión de lo que se escribe en las redes sociales, ¿cómo Estados Unidos y Brasil lidian con esa cuestión del contenido en las redes sociales? Aquí en Estados Unidos hay varios proyectos de ley que están parados en el Congreso en un intento de establecer reglas para el contenido de las redes sociales.",622.36,639.14,{"idx":649,"utterance_id":650,"speaker_name":8,"text":651,"start_s":652,"end_s":653,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},107,"13375","¿No es necesario tener, diputado, reglas para lo que se... publica en redes sociales?",639.56,643.7,{"idx":655,"utterance_id":656,"speaker_name":8,"text":657,"start_s":658,"end_s":659,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},108,"13376","¿No es preciso definir eso en un universo tan nuevo?",643.76,645.8,{"idx":661,"utterance_id":662,"speaker_name":8,"text":663,"start_s":664,"end_s":665,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},109,"13377","¿No es necesario?",645.96,646.58,{"idx":667,"utterance_id":668,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":669,"start_s":670,"end_s":671,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},110,"13378","Independientemente del país.",646.96,647.8,{"idx":673,"utterance_id":674,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":675,"start_s":676,"end_s":677,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},111,"13379","Es que ya tenemos mecanismos para hacer eso.",648.22,650.6,{"idx":679,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},112,"13380","¿Cuál es la diferencia entre que yo en una plaza pública cometa un delito contra el honor, cometa un delito contra el honor escribiendo una carta o en una publicación?",650.66,658.32,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},113,"13381","Poco importa el medio que utilice.",658.84,660.28,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},114,"13382","Quien se siente ofendido ya tiene cómo acudir a la justicia y acceder a eso.",660.76,665.56,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},115,"13383","No veo motivo para hacer una nueva regulación, porque, en verdad, detrás de esa nueva regulación está la censura.",665.62,673.6,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":704,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":705,"start_s":706,"end_s":707,"word_count":166,"indexable":12},116,"13384","Vea, el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) acaba de atropellar al Congreso Nacional una vez más, porque el Congreso ya rechazó votar esta materia, y esto es una decisión.",674.54,681.2,{"idx":709,"utterance_id":710,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":711,"start_s":712,"end_s":713,"word_count":182,"indexable":12},117,"13385","Entonces el Congreso fue faltado al respeto, no existe armonía entre los poderes, porque nosotros bloqueamos el análisis del proyecto 2630, que regularía las redes sociales, y el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) reguló.",681.92,692.44,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":716,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":717,"start_s":718,"end_s":719,"word_count":284,"indexable":12},118,"13386","Entre los varios ítems en que se obligará a la red social a borrar la publicación, incluso sin autorización judicial, porque de lo contrario la red social será multada, entre varios puntos, está la violencia en relación con la sexualidad y la violencia de género.",692.82,713.74,{"idx":721,"utterance_id":722,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":723,"start_s":724,"end_s":725,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},119,"13387","Pues bien, si veo a un hombre vestido de mujer, ¿no puedo llamarlo hombre?",714.88,719.78,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":728,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":729,"start_s":730,"end_s":731,"word_count":111,"indexable":12},120,"13388","Si lo llamo mujer y ella se siente ofendida, ¿no se podrá decir nada?",719.86,723.84,{"idx":733,"utterance_id":734,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":735,"start_s":736,"end_s":737,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},121,"13389","¿Cómo va a quedar el ámbito de las bromas?",724.56,726.28,{"idx":739,"utterance_id":740,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":741,"start_s":742,"end_s":743,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},122,"13390","¿Pasará a ser regla en Brasil lo que le ocurrió a Léo Lins?",726.42,728.8,{"idx":745,"utterance_id":746,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":747,"start_s":748,"end_s":749,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},123,"13391","¿O crees que el humorista va a estar cómodo haciendo una broma así y va a aparecer el movimiento LGBT algo allá y va a demandar a la persona, va a ser multada, va a tener que eliminar la publicación?",729.88,739.06,{"idx":751,"utterance_id":752,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":753,"start_s":754,"end_s":755,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},124,"13392","No es el Brasil que yo quiero.",739.92,740.8,{"idx":757,"utterance_id":758,"speaker_name":8,"text":759,"start_s":760,"end_s":761,"word_count":136,"indexable":12},125,"13393","En relación con lo que se dijo, o que definió el Departamento de Estado, creo que fue en abril, fue en abril: el Departamento de Estado de los Estados Unidos anunció una política de restricción de visados.",741.58,753.84,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":764,"speaker_name":8,"text":765,"start_s":766,"end_s":767,"word_count":111,"indexable":12},126,"13394","a extranjeros y a líderes de otros países que actúen de forma que censuren a ciudadanos o a empresas estadounidenses.",756.02,763.86,{"idx":769,"utterance_id":770,"speaker_name":8,"text":771,"start_s":772,"end_s":773,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},127,"13395","En esa publicación, en esa determinación del Departamento de Estado, no hubo mención a ningún nombre de persona específica ni al país.",763.92,772.22,{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":8,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},128,"13396","¿Usted ve alguna relación entre la decisión tomada por el Departamento de Estado y la realidad brasileña?",772.92,777.5,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":8,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},129,"13397","Con seguridad, sí se puede ver.",778.12,779,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":8,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},130,"13398","¿Pero la decisión fue estimulada por lo que sucede en Brasil?",779.04,782.08,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":20,"indexable":12},131,"13399","Sin duda.",782.52,782.98,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},132,"13400","Brasil es un laboratorio para esas ideas de censura y causa una gran preocupación.",783.48,787.86,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},133,"13401","Incluso hemos tenido ciudadanos estadounidenses contra quienes se han expedido órdenes de arresto.",787.94,794.22,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":812,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":813,"start_s":814,"end_s":815,"word_count":217,"indexable":12},134,"13402","Alexandre de Moraes expidió la orden de arresto contra Flávia Cordeiro, por ejemplo, sin citar el caso de Alando Santos, Paulo Figueiredo, Rodrigo Constantino, entre otros periodistas, o la jueza Ludmilla Lins Grilo.",794.64,804.96,{"idx":817,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},135,"13403","Pero en ese caso, por ejemplo, una ciudadana estadounidense hizo un tuit aquí desde Estados Unidos.",805.62,810.46,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},136,"13404","A Alexandre de Moraes no le gustó.",810.94,811.9,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},137,"13405","Emitió la orden de arresto contra ella.",812.04,814.08,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},138,"13406","Estados Unidos tiene que sancionar a Alexandre de Moraes para protegerse, para evitar que ese virus venga aquí.",814.82,819.8,{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},139,"13407","Les pregunto: en Brasil, si una persona accede a Truff Social, no ve los videos, porque los servidores de Truff Social utilizan los servidores de Rumble, y Rumble no puede estar en Brasil, está bloqueado.",820.72,829.88,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":284,"indexable":12},140,"13408","Si usted está viendo, por ejemplo, el perfil de un blog argentino, un medio argentino que me hizo una entrevista aquí en el CPEC Latino y está cubriendo el evento, allí la derecha es diaria, en Brasil no puede verlo, necesita una VPN.",831.24,841.14,{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":245,"indexable":12},141,"13409","Y gracias a Dios que Moraes no lo hizo, como lo hizo en la época de X, para terminar, cuando expulsó a X, donde dijo que quien usara VPN para ver las publicaciones de X incurriría en multa.",841.94,851.92,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":861,"start_s":862,"end_s":863,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},142,"13410","Qué absurdo, ni siquiera vas a poder usar VPN.",852.44,855.1,{"idx":865,"utterance_id":866,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":867,"start_s":868,"end_s":869,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},143,"13411","Entonces, no se puede decir que eso sea una democracia.",855.92,859.32,{"idx":871,"utterance_id":872,"speaker_name":8,"text":873,"start_s":874,"end_s":875,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},144,"13412","Usted mismo dijo aquí en la entrevista y en el escenario de la CIPAC Latina, habló sobre lo que usted entiende: la necesidad de sancionar al juez brasileño.",859.76,870.22,{"idx":877,"utterance_id":878,"speaker_name":8,"text":879,"start_s":880,"end_s":881,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},145,"13413","La preocupación y la acusación que vienen de Brasil es precisamente que, al hacer esas afirmaciones y esos contactos aquí, usted estaría actuando de forma de impedir un proceso que está en juicio en Brasil, actuar en contra de los intereses de Brasil.",871.12,883.96,{"idx":883,"utterance_id":884,"speaker_name":8,"text":885,"start_s":886,"end_s":887,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},146,"13414","¿Usted no lo ve de esa manera?",884.1,885.4,{"idx":889,"utterance_id":890,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":891,"start_s":892,"end_s":893,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},147,"13415","No, yo nunca pedí la libertad de Jair Bolsonaro.",885.74,888.08,{"idx":895,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},148,"13416","Lo que yo hago, en realidad, es algo mucho más moderado que lo que la izquierda siempre hizo.",889.08,892.26,{"idx":901,"utterance_id":902,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":903,"start_s":904,"end_s":905,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},149,"13417","La izquierda fue a la AIA, Tribunal Penal Internacional, a pedir la prisión de Jair Bolsonaro, llamándolo genocida.",892.32,896.68,{"idx":907,"utterance_id":908,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":909,"start_s":910,"end_s":911,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},150,"13418","¿Por qué la actividad de la izquierda es legal y la mía aquí en Estados Unidos es ilegal?",897.34,900.36,{"idx":913,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},151,"13419","Incluso, eso demuestra que el poder de las instituciones estadounidenses es mucho mayor que el de cualquier organismo multilateral.",901.02,906.94,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":8,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":392,"indexable":12},152,"13420","¿Cree usted que el hecho de que Elon Musk, ya que mencionamos las redes sociales, él que es el dueño de X, el antiguo Twitter, que oficialmente ya no está... en el gobierno de Donald Trump, eso afecta o cambia el curso de los procesos contra las big techs o las empresas, no sólo las vinculadas a él, que tienen relación con Brasil?",907.52,926.8,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},153,"13421","No, porque todo esto no ocurre como fruto de una acción específica de Elon Musk.",927.52,932.22,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},154,"13422","Incluso, Elon Musk está bajo investigación en Brasil, créalo si quiere.",932.86,936.44,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},155,"13423","Elon Musk está en la investigación sobre noticias falsas.",936.54,939.16,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":20,"indexable":12},156,"13424","en Brasil.",939.8,940.24,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":166,"indexable":12},157,"13425","Y Alexandre de Moraes ya lanzó un mensaje, fue informado por la prensa, de que sabe que va a permanecer en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) hasta 2043.",940.54,947.32,{"idx":955,"utterance_id":956,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":957,"start_s":958,"end_s":959,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},158,"13426","Y el gobierno de Donald Trump dura cuatro años.",947.82,949.7,{"idx":961,"utterance_id":962,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":963,"start_s":964,"end_s":965,"word_count":122,"indexable":12},159,"13427","Es decir, él está esperando la oportunidad para sobrepasar al gobierno de Trump, tal vez con una nueva administración de izquierda del Partido Demócrata, hacer una asociación y utilizar sus investigaciones brasileñas para perseguir a Trump, Jason Miller, Elon Musk.",950.12,965.24,{"idx":967,"utterance_id":968,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":969,"start_s":970,"end_s":971,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},160,"13428","y varias otras autoridades del gobierno norteamericano.",965.6,968.44,{"idx":973,"utterance_id":974,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":975,"start_s":976,"end_s":977,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},161,"13429","Espero que las instituciones norteamericanas estén al tanto de esto, porque ciertamente eso va a ocurrir.",968.84,976.04,{"idx":979,"utterance_id":980,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":981,"start_s":982,"end_s":983,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},162,"13430","Está ocurriendo con nosotros aquí.",976.08,977.06,{"idx":985,"utterance_id":986,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":987,"start_s":988,"end_s":989,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},163,"13431","Si no se hace nada, ocurrirá con ellos en el futuro también, si este escenario...",977.92,981.08,{"idx":991,"utterance_id":992,"speaker_name":8,"text":993,"start_s":994,"end_s":995,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},164,"13432","¿Llegó usted a encontrarse con Elon Musk en algún momento?",981.3,984.56,{"idx":997,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},165,"13433","Prefiero, Patricia, cualquier cosa que yo diga puede involucrar a otras personas.",985.02,988.74,{"idx":1003,"utterance_id":1004,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1005,"start_s":1006,"end_s":1007,"word_count":245,"indexable":12},166,"13434","Agradezco la pregunta, no me estoy esquivando de ella, pero digo que por razones obvias, por el hecho de que no vivimos en una democracia saludable, no podemos permitirnos publicitar determinados contactos que tengamos o no tengamos.",988.94,1002.26,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":267,"indexable":12},167,"13435","Tomo como ejemplo al diputado Gustavo Gaia, que no coincidentemente, después de decir que hablaba con Elon Musk por teléfono celular, una o dos semanas después, la Policía Federal allanó la casa del diputado y le incautó su celular.",1002.66,1014.88,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":8,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},168,"13436","Usted está aquí en Estados Unidos con licencia, una licencia no remunerada, con recursos personales o de la familia.",1017.1,1023.48,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":8,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},169,"13437","¿Cómo maneja usted las noticias y críticas que surgen por usted estar aquí con licencia y con recursos personales y no en el papel de diputado?",1023.76,1034.6,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},170,"13438","En realidad, usted hace política mucho más fuera de la actividad burocrática de Brasilia.",1035.64,1040.68,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":422,"indexable":12},171,"13439","Soy la prueba viva de que el título de diputado, obviamente, es interesante, puede darte cierto prestigio, pero las relaciones personales que uno establece, y que sólo se hacen in situ, son más importantes, a veces, que los simples, con todo respeto —porque ya he presentado varias veces proyectos de ley que tienen mucha dificultad para ser aprobados—, etc.",1041.6,1062.7,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":392,"indexable":12},172,"13440","Entonces, cuando vine aquí, di una explicación a mi electorado, porque soy funcionario público, soy esclavo de la voluntad de quienes represento, pero recibí un gran apoyo de ellos y lograron percibir que la actividad que estoy prestando aquí... es mucho más esencial que la actividad que prestaba allí en la Cámara de Diputados de Brasil.",1063.48,1082.48,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":284,"indexable":12},173,"13441","Así que, incluso, recibo personas ofreciéndome donaciones por Pix; recurro a ellas porque puedo mantenerme aquí con lo que tengo hoy en día, agradezco, y la prueba de que siguen apoyándome es que no dejo de aumentar seguidores en las redes sociales.",1083,1096.34,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},174,"13442","Acabo de romper la barrera de 6,3 millones de seguidores en Instagram, por ejemplo.",1096.8,1101.32,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":8,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},175,"13443","¿Esa licencia de la Cámara tiene plazo?",1103.14,1107.32,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":8,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},176,"13444","Hasta finales de julio tengo que volver al trabajo.",1107.98,1110.74,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":8,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},177,"13445","¿Y usted ya sabe qué va a hacer?",1110.78,1112.48,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},178,"13446","Aún no he tomado esa decisión.",1113.4,1114.58,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},179,"13447","¿Puede decirlo?",1114.62,1115.08,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},180,"13448","No, puedo decirlo aquí en primicia para ustedes.",1115.82,1117.86,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":267,"indexable":12},181,"13449","Todavía no he tomado una decisión respecto a eso, sobre todo porque tengo que conversar con mi esposa; esto pasa por la familia, por otros factores, pero es muy probable que no logre regresar a Brasil a tiempo.",1118.4,1131.04,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},182,"13450","Creo mucho que vamos a conseguir sancionar a Alexandre de Moraes; esa sanción ya debería haberse dictado.",1131.48,1135.48,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":8,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},183,"13451","¿Hay algo que usted pueda decir?",1135.66,1137.72,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},184,"13452","En dos ocasiones, puedo decir, la sanción contra él ya tuvo fecha prevista para salir.",1138.12,1142.96,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":217,"indexable":12},185,"13453","Y sólo no ocurrieron debido a inestabilidades políticas; la última de ellas fue el bombardeo de Israel a Irán, y eso acaparó la atención de toda la Casa Blanca, de lo contrario Moraes ya estaría sancionado.",1143.2,1152.78,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},186,"13454","Eso, primer amor para el SBT.",1154.06,1155.46,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":8,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},187,"13455","Usted dijo entonces que todavía no sabe exactamente en qué situación permanecerá en Estados Unidos.",1155.94,1162.34,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},188,"13456","Ahí está toda la cuestión migratoria, de visado, etc.",1163.44,1168.16,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},189,"13457","Pero eso también está bien encaminado, no me preocupa.",1168.54,1170.7,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":8,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},190,"13458","En una entrevista reciente con una revista brasileña, usted señaló que tiene la intención de postularse a la presidencia en 2026.",1171,1181.06,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":8,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},191,"13459","¿Plan o ya es una decisión tomada?",1181.46,1182.88,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":319,"indexable":12},192,"13460","Nunca hice campaña, nunca hablé abiertamente de esto, pero me alegré mucho cuando apareció mi nombre en Paraná Pesquisas empatado con Lula dentro del margen de error y también ahora, más recientemente, en la encuesta de Futura, poniéndome cuatro o cinco puntos por delante de Lula en un eventual balotaje.",1183.46,1200.88,{"idx":1165,"utterance_id":1166,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1167,"start_s":1168,"end_s":1169,"word_count":182,"indexable":12},193,"13461","Eso demuestra que el nombre Bolsonaro sigue firme y fuerte, que Jair Bolsonaro mantiene su liderazgo y que, para mí, él tiene que ser el candidato.",1201.58,1209.52,{"idx":1171,"utterance_id":1172,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1173,"start_s":1174,"end_s":1175,"word_count":350,"indexable":12},194,"13462","a la presidencia, no hay motivo para que no lo sea; esa decisión absurda del TSE (Tribunal Superior Electoral) en tiempo récord, declarándolo inelegible por ocho años por haberse reunido con embajadores y criticar la urna electrónica, y por dar un discurso a cerca de un millón de personas sin usar recursos públicos, es una afrenta a la democracia.",1210,1228.64,{"idx":1177,"utterance_id":1178,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1179,"start_s":1180,"end_s":1181,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},195,"13463","Eso es decidirlo en la mesa... ese opositor que le va a ganar a Lula.",1229.06,1233.22,{"idx":1183,"utterance_id":1184,"speaker_name":8,"text":1185,"start_s":1186,"end_s":1187,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},196,"13464","Pero si no existe esa posibilidad, usted es el nombre.",1233.38,1236.64,{"idx":1189,"utterance_id":1190,"speaker_name":8,"text":1191,"start_s":1192,"end_s":1193,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},197,"13465","Pongo mi nombre a disposición, si el presidente Jair Bolsonaro lo considera pertinente.",1236.78,1240.86,{"idx":1195,"utterance_id":1196,"speaker_name":8,"text":1197,"start_s":1198,"end_s":1199,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},198,"13466","¿Usted ya tuvo esa conversación?",1240.98,1242.18,{"idx":1201,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},199,"13467","Él no toma una decisión definitiva.",1243.5,1244.48,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},200,"13468","Creo que el presidente Bolsonaro está muy en lo cierto.",1244.52,1246.54,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},201,"13469","Mientras exista la posibilidad de que él revierta todo esto y yo me lance a la presidencia de la República, él en realidad no tiene que pasar el bastón a otro.",1246.62,1253.04,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1221,"start_s":1222,"end_s":1223,"word_count":278,"indexable":12},202,"13470","Porque no tiene sentido: imagínese, hoy él apoya a una persona, dentro de poco el escenario cambia, él puede competir, entonces tendrá que retirar el apoyo, pero ya hizo compromisos; esa inestabilidad no le permite actuar de ese modo.",1253.08,1266.02,{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},203,"13471","Y tengo mucha fe de que él va a lograr ser candidato.",1266.08,1268.72,{"idx":1231,"utterance_id":1232,"speaker_name":8,"text":1233,"start_s":1234,"end_s":1235,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},204,"13472","En caso de que usted sea el nombre, ¿cómo sería esa campaña estando aquí en Estados Unidos?",1269.48,1273.66,{"idx":1237,"utterance_id":1238,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1239,"start_s":1240,"end_s":1241,"word_count":194,"indexable":12},205,"13473","Es que para que yo sea el nombre, tenemos que sancionar a Alexandre de Moraes, para que yo tenga la tranquilidad de volver a Brasil sin sufrir ninguna retaliación.",1273.88,1280.26,{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":188,"indexable":12},206,"13474","No procede aquí de la noche a la mañana condenarme a 12 años de cárcel por causa de mi actividad, que hace dos meses él dijo que era legal.",1281.36,1288.14,{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},207,"13475","Entonces, todo pasa por eso, pero creo que, en el momento correcto, todo a su debido tiempo, conseguiremos tener un panorama más claro de cómo será esa carrera de 2026.",1289.22,1299.24,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":8,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},208,"13476","¿Cómo ve usted a Brasil hoy en el escenario internacional?",1299.64,1302.4,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":8,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},209,"13477","Usted que ya está aquí... algún tiempo.",1302.94,1306.18,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":8,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},210,"13478","en relación con la economía y también el tema migración, que se trató en la CEPAC Latino aquí y que impacta a los países de Sudamérica y Centroamérica.",1306.68,1317.62,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},211,"13479","Sí, con certeza.",1317.7,1318.44,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},212,"13480","Con respecto al tema migratorio, nosotros somos extranjeros.",1318.48,1321.96,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},213,"13481","Corresponde a Estados Unidos hacer la regulación, la legislación pertinente del país.",1322.42,1327.34,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":155,"indexable":12},214,"13482","Y había una gran crítica debido a la masiva migración ilegal, que incluso estaba aumentando los índices de criminalidad en Estados Unidos.",1327.56,1337.96,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},215,"13483","Entonces lo que veo es a Trump queriendo arreglar ese tipo de cosas.",1338.04,1341.28,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":8,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},216,"13484","¿Usted lo ve como una decisión acertada?",1341.36,1342.84,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},217,"13485","Yo veo que es una política interna de ellos.",1343.62,1344.98,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},218,"13486","No me siento cómodo comentando si está bien o mal, porque tiene mucho que ver con ellos.",1345.02,1349.1,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},219,"13487","Ahora, claro, viviendo aquí en Estados Unidos, yo agradezco.",1349.16,1351.82,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":136,"indexable":12},220,"13488","Cuando él manda a los criminales del Trem da Arágua, o quizá en el futuro incluso del PCC, a las prisiones de Nayib Bukele en El Salvador... me pongo mucho más contento, porque son violadores, son criminales.",1351.86,1362,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},221,"13489","Ese tipo de persona, de hecho, tiene que ser realmente deportada, extraditada, etc.",1362.36,1367.08,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},222,"13490","Pero volviendo a su primera pregunta sobre Brasil, basta con que usted tome el termómetro para asistir a la reunión de los BRICS.",1367.78,1373.1,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},223,"13491","Son los países, teóricamente, aliados de Lula.",1374.18,1376.54,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},224,"13492","Ni Putin ni Xi Jinping se han ofrecido a venir a Brasil.",1377.04,1380.2,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},225,"13493","Y cuanto más Lula se posiciona a favor de grupos terroristas, lo hace más... pequeño, convierte a Brasil cada vez más en un enano diplomático.",1380.68,1389.94,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":8,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":111,"indexable":12},226,"13494","Es que sobre Putin también pesa la condena de un tribunal y puede ser detenido.",1389.98,1395.82,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},227,"13495","y no existe eso... Sí, pero Maduro fue recibido en la toma de posesión de Lula aquí en Brasil.",1395.88,1399.14,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},228,"13496","Así que el desprestigio de Lula termina siendo notorio cuando Putin, tal vez por temor a eso, no quiere venir a Brasil.",1399.82,1407.8,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},229,"13497","Pero Brasil ya no tiene espacio en ninguna parte del mundo.",1409.36,1411.86,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},230,"13498","Lula quiere ser mediador tomando partido por terroristas.",1412.1,1414.96,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},231,"13499","Nadie va a tomar eso en serio.",1415.04,1416.34,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},232,"13500","Recibe buques de guerra de Irán sancionados por Estados Unidos.",1416.88,1420.2,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},233,"13501","Buques que ya han sido acusados de traficar terroristas.",1420.52,1422.94,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},234,"13502","Dios mío, ¿qué país es este?",1423.92,1425.92,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":182,"indexable":12},235,"13503","Es un país en el que la gente que aceptó que César y Batiste se quedaran aquí en Brasil dice que la gente del 8 de enero son peligrosos terroristas.",1426.32,1433.36,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":267,"indexable":12},236,"13504","Es el país que envió un avión de la FAB a buscar... a la ex primera dama de Perú condenada por corrupción y traerla a Brasil, pero se niega a traer el cuerpo de la brasileña inocente que murió, lamentablemente, allá en Indonesia, traer el cuerpo aquí.",1433.64,1446.52,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":8,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},237,"13505","Pero el cuerpo será traído, ¿no?",1446.96,1448.56,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},238,"13506","Pero no por el avión de la FAB, ¿verdad?",1449.62,1450.66,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},239,"13507","La familia va a tener que pagar.",1450.72,1451.64,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},240,"13508","¿Por qué una condenada por corrupción peruana tiene más derechos que la familia de un pagador de impuestos brasileño?",1451.78,1458.26,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},241,"13509","Es la pregunta que le hago a Mauro Vieira, a Celso Amorim, a Lula.",1458.74,1462.62,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},242,"13510","Esto no tiene justificación.",1463.08,1464,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},243,"13511","Tienes que dar el ejemplo.",1464.04,1464.94,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},244,"13512","Estás en la presidencia de la república.",1464.98,1466.48,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},245,"13513","Con Bolsonaro, él se quedaba en las embajadas, se quedaba en un hotel de tránsito del ejército.",1466.94,1470.94,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},246,"13514","Lula, con nosotros, ya se queda en los hoteles más caros del mundo.",1471.36,1473.46,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},247,"13515","Eso no tiene justificación.",1473.56,1474.48,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},248,"13516","Imagínate a un ciudadano allí con dificultad para comprar un café que cuesta casi 100 reales.",1474.86,1478.92,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},249,"13517","Va al mercado, ve el arroz y los frijoles por las nubes.",1479.52,1481.5,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":228,"indexable":12},250,"13518","Entonces él mira a Lula, que está en un hotel cinco estrellas, que está dando un récord en la ley —creo que fueron 16.000 millones el año pasado— para la Ley Rouanet, para que las artistas vayan a bailar samba y recibir premios internacionales.",1481.84,1491.46,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},251,"13519","Ese no es el país que queremos.",1492.14,1493.1,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},252,"13520","Diputado, la polarización política es una realidad en nuestro Brasil, aquí en Estados Unidos.",1493.14,1498.4,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":8,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":56,"indexable":12},253,"13521","¿Ve usted, a medio o corto plazo, la posibilidad de que la izquierda y la derecha convivan de forma constructiva y más armónica?",1498.5,1506.92,{"idx":1531,"utterance_id":1532,"speaker_name":8,"text":1533,"start_s":1534,"end_s":1535,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},254,"13522","Mire, yo veo que Lula no es el líder de la izquierda.",1507.1,1508.86,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":8,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},255,"13523","Pero no me refiero a ningún liderazgo, diputado.",1508.92,1510.46,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":8,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},256,"13524","Me refiero a visiones políticas de derecha o izquierda, sin personalizar.",1510.5,1514.6,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":8,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},257,"13525","Es porque dentro de la izquierda...",1514.64,1515.9,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":8,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},258,"13526","No estoy personalizando, si es posible...",1516.1,1517.94,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},259,"13527","No, por ejemplo, está la derecha y está la izquierda.",1518.16,1520.54,{"idx":242,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},"13528","Usted dijo acertadamente que existe una polarización.",1520.8,1522.9,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},261,"13529","Sí.",1523.08,1523.3,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},262,"13530","Pero vi la semana pasada a Lula demandando a Ciro Gomes debido a una crítica que Ciro Gomes hizo a los banqueros.",1523.78,1530.06,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},263,"13531","Ciro Gomes es considerado una persona de izquierda.",1531,1532.68,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},264,"13532","Sin embargo, eso es lo que estoy deconstruyendo en este razonamiento.",1533.9,1536.6,{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},265,"13533","Estoy diciendo que hay personas que, aunque se identifiquen con rasgos de izquierda, con las que se puede conversar.",1536.64,1540.86,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":278,"indexable":12},266,"13534","Estoy seguro de que si me siento a conversar con Ciro Gomes, con Rui Costa Pimenta del PCO, incluso con algunas alas del PDT más vinculadas a Leonel Brizola del pasado —el pionero del voto impreso, de las críticas a la informatización de una elección—.",1541.56,1557.12,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":111,"indexable":12},267,"13535","Estoy seguro de que podremos llegar a un denominador común en algunas agendas.",1557.2,1560.4,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":8,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},268,"13536","¿Pero lo ideal, para lo mejor del país, no sería sentarse con todos?",1560.54,1563.74,{"idx":1620,"utterance_id":1621,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1622,"start_s":1623,"end_s":1624,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},269,"13537","No, no puedo sentarme con la gente del PSOL que le dio la puñalada en el vientre a mi padre, discúlpeme.",1564.6,1568.2,{"idx":1626,"utterance_id":1627,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1628,"start_s":1629,"end_s":1630,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},270,"13538","Esas personas quieren vernos asesinados.",1568.7,1570.36,{"idx":1632,"utterance_id":1633,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1634,"start_s":1635,"end_s":1636,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},271,"13539","Es el tipo de gente que anda por ahí asesinando a sus opositores.",1570.78,1573.58,{"idx":1638,"utterance_id":1639,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1640,"start_s":1641,"end_s":1642,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},272,"13540","Es lo mismo que decir: ¿te vas a sentar con la gente que, en fin, está vinculada al PCC?",1574.18,1579.52,{"idx":1644,"utterance_id":1645,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1646,"start_s":1647,"end_s":1648,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},273,"13541","que entra en la favela sin intercambiar disparos.",1580.28,1582.66,{"idx":1650,"utterance_id":1651,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1652,"start_s":1653,"end_s":1654,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},274,"13542","No puedes... Porque ahí es una cuestión de valores.",1583.34,1587.02,{"idx":1656,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},275,"13543","Es lo mínimo, lo básico que tienes para conversar con alguien.",1588,1590,{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},276,"13544","No hay manera de conversar con alguien que quiere asesinarme.",1590.04,1591.58,{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},277,"13545","Eso es PSOL.",1592.36,1593.1,{"idx":1674,"utterance_id":1675,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1676,"start_s":1677,"end_s":1678,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},278,"13546","PSOL predica la revolución.",1593.7,1595.42,{"idx":1680,"utterance_id":1681,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1682,"start_s":1683,"end_s":1684,"word_count":155,"indexable":12},279,"13547","Entonces, en algunos sectores de la izquierda, incluso se puede llegar a un denominador común, por ejemplo, en esta cuestión de la libertad de expresión.",1596.22,1603.18,{"idx":1686,"utterance_id":1687,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1688,"start_s":1689,"end_s":1690,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},280,"13548","Y ahí queda... nuestra invitación para que ocurra esa unión.",1603.88,1607.3,{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},281,"13549","Quién sabe si incluso para atenuar esa polarización.",1607.56,1609.88,{"idx":1698,"utterance_id":1699,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1700,"start_s":1701,"end_s":1702,"word_count":182,"indexable":12},282,"13550","Pero creo —lo que veo es que— esta 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