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millones, en 2024 se transformó en 5 mil millones positivos.",92.06,109.44,35,"a_favor",0.78,"reivindica haber revertido déficit a superávit usando 'nós' (defensa de su trayectoria).",{"idx":262,"utterance_id":359,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":360,"start_s":361,"end_s":362,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":323,"target_proposition":324,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":364,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"75287","Hicimos un ajuste que, por lo que yo sé, ningún Estado de Brasil ha hecho.",110.34,116.14,0.85,"declara explícitamente 'Fizemos um ajuste' y lo compara con otros estados.",{"idx":255,"utterance_id":366,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":367,"start_s":368,"end_s":369,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75288","Reducimos, entre empresas estatales, autarquías y la administración directa, casi 50 mil cargos.",116.74,125.2,{"idx":343,"utterance_id":371,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":372,"start_s":373,"end_s":374,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75289","Es muchísimo.",126.2,127.4,{"idx":376,"utterance_id":377,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":378,"start_s":379,"end_s":380,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":381,"topic_label":382,"target_id":383,"target_proposition":384,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":385,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},21,"75290","Y en Brasil, tenemos la capacidad de hacer una reducción; voy a empezar por los ministerios.",128.02,134.3,"reforma-politica","Reforma política","aec53f40-e043-45ef-96c3-17def2dbe419","reducir el tamaño del Estado mediante reforma administrativa y privatizaciones","propone 'enxugamento' y afirma empezar por los ministerios (proposición explícita).",{"idx":59,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75291","Y quiero dar cuatro choques en Brasil.",135.3,138.58,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":392,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":393,"start_s":394,"end_s":395,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":396,"target_proposition":397,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":398,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"75292","Brasil necesita cuatro choques en el área fiscal.",139.08,143.12,"b7bbcd0e-7825-4b15-af44-8468ac22b500","realizar reformas fiscales para aumentar el espacio fiscal","afirma que 'o Brasil precisa de quatro choques na área fiscal' (defensa de reformas).",{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":405,"topic_label":406,"target_id":407,"target_proposition":408,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":410,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},24,"75293","Primero, quiero privatizarlo todo, empezando por Petrobras.",143.9,147.44,"venda-de-patrimonio-publico","Venta de Patrimonio Público","671c0339-fc64-43bb-aa01-e80b45757b07","privatizar el Banco do Brasil",0.95,"declara 'eu quero privatizar tudo, a começar pela Petrobras' (apoyo explícito a la privatización).",{"idx":412,"utterance_id":413,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":414,"start_s":415,"end_s":416,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":405,"topic_label":406,"target_id":407,"target_proposition":408,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":417,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},25,"75294","En Minas Gerais privatizamos 118 empresas.",148.04,152.52,"reivindica haber privatizado 118 empresas en Minas usando 'nós' (defensa de su trayectoria).",{"idx":9,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":420,"start_s":421,"end_s":422,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":381,"topic_label":382,"target_id":383,"target_proposition":384,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":423,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"75295","Haremos una reforma administrativa, haremos una reforma previsional y mejoraremos los programas sociales.",153.48,164.62,"afirma 'vamos fazer uma reforma administrativa' directamente (proposición clara).",{"idx":425,"utterance_id":426,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":427,"start_s":428,"end_s":429,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},27,"75296","Todas esas medidas en conjunto generarán algunos trillones de reales en ahorro en los próximos 20 años.",165.26,174.1,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75297","Y el mercado lo señala muy bien y la tasa de interés se desplomará a menos de la mitad, aliviando el bolsillo del brasileño.",174.8,184.58,{"idx":331,"utterance_id":436,"speaker_name":238,"text":437,"start_s":438,"end_s":439,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75298","Aun así, candidato, incluso con superávit, incluso sin haber contraído nueva deuda, usted termina su gestión con el peor saldo de caja de Brasil.",184.84,198.14,{"idx":441,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":238,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},30,"75299","Son 11 mil millones negativos, según cifras del propio Tesoro.",198.24,202.8,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":238,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},31,"75300","El segundo lugar, por ejemplo, en términos de caja negativa, es Rio Grande do Norte.",202.84,208.22,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":453,"speaker_name":238,"text":454,"start_s":455,"end_s":456,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75301","Usted dejó con 11, Rio Grande do Norte con 3 mil millones.",209.04,212.9,{"idx":32,"utterance_id":458,"speaker_name":238,"text":459,"start_s":460,"end_s":461,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75302","Casi cuatro veces la situación de las finanzas de Rio Grande do Norte.",213.04,217.66,{"idx":463,"utterance_id":464,"speaker_name":238,"text":465,"start_s":466,"end_s":467,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},34,"75303","¿Qué pasó?",217.72,218.54,{"idx":354,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75304","Natuza, primero.",220,221.24,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},36,"75305","Cuando asumí en 2019, el 1º de enero, asumí un Estado que era una verdadera masa en quiebra.",221.68,231.04,{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":447,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},37,"75306","240 mil funcionarios públicos con el nombre en el SPC y Serasa, porque el gobierno de Pimentel del PT les descontó a esos funcionarios el préstamo consignado y no hizo los traspasos a los bancos.",231.06,250.78,{"idx":169,"utterance_id":486,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":487,"start_s":488,"end_s":489,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75307","853 alcaldes de Minas renunciando, enfermando e incluso quitándose la vida porque no recibían las transferencias del ICMS y del IPVA.",250.8,267.14,{"idx":491,"utterance_id":492,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":493,"start_s":494,"end_s":495,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},39,"75308","Proveedores, ninguno vendía para el Estado de Minas.",267.84,271.9,{"idx":497,"utterance_id":498,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":499,"start_s":500,"end_s":501,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},40,"75309","Hoy, todos esos compromisos están rigurosamente al día.",272.08,278.36,{"idx":503,"utterance_id":504,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":505,"start_s":506,"end_s":507,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},41,"75310","Y la deuda que el Estado tiene hoy es con la Unión.",279,281.98,{"idx":509,"utterance_id":510,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":511,"start_s":512,"end_s":513,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},42,"75311","Durante mi gestión, pagamos y fraccionamos 29 mil millones con empleados, con proveedores, con el Tribunal de Justicia y también con los municipios.",283.02,296.8,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":516,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":517,"start_s":518,"end_s":519,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},43,"75312","Eso hizo que el Estado volviera a tener credibilidad.",297.48,301.18,{"idx":521,"utterance_id":522,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":523,"start_s":524,"end_s":525,"word_count":425,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},44,"75313","Y la situación de solvencia hoy, que es la proporción entre deuda y tamaño del Estado de Minas, ni se compara con la que había cuando yo comencé.",301.78,311.94,{"idx":527,"utterance_id":528,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":529,"start_s":530,"end_s":531,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},45,"75314","Tanto es así que hoy todos quieren vender y prestar servicios para el gobierno de Minas.",312.64,317.28,{"idx":533,"utterance_id":534,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":535,"start_s":536,"end_s":537,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},46,"75315","Si fuera una situación de insolvencia... Como fue en 2018, nadie estaría suministrando.",317.36,324.26,{"idx":539,"utterance_id":540,"speaker_name":238,"text":541,"start_s":542,"end_s":543,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},47,"75316","¿Entonces usted está feliz con la cifra de 11 mil millones de caja negativa?",324.38,329.38,{"idx":545,"utterance_id":546,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":547,"start_s":548,"end_s":549,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},48,"75317","Aún tenemos que avanzar y estamos avanzando.",329.52,332.5,{"idx":551,"utterance_id":552,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":553,"start_s":554,"end_s":555,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},49,"75318","Y un detalle importante, en 2018, Natuza, Minas era un cementerio de obras abandonadas y vandalizadas.",332.54,342.02,{"idx":557,"utterance_id":558,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":559,"start_s":560,"end_s":561,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},50,"75319","Hoy, tal vez sea uno de los estados donde haya el mayor número de obras en construcción.",342.2,347.34,{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},51,"75320","Todo con recursos reservados.",347.6,349.98,{"idx":304,"utterance_id":569,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":570,"start_s":571,"end_s":572,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75321","Y cuestiones contables muchas veces pueden generar algunas distorsiones.",350.6,355.52,{"idx":574,"utterance_id":575,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":576,"start_s":577,"end_s":578,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},53,"75322","Después me voy a informar sobre ese número.",356,358.12,{"idx":580,"utterance_id":581,"speaker_name":238,"text":582,"start_s":583,"end_s":584,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},54,"75323","Quería hablar de privatización, una de sus principales banderas.",358.7,362.24,{"idx":586,"utterance_id":587,"speaker_name":238,"text":588,"start_s":589,"end_s":590,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},55,"75324","Usted habla mucho sobre ese tema.",362.28,363.88,{"idx":592,"utterance_id":593,"speaker_name":238,"text":594,"start_s":595,"end_s":596,"word_count":533,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},56,"75325","Carlos da Costa, que es el coordinador del área económica de su campaña, dijo que en 2027, si usted es elegido, usted privatizará... las grandes empresas estatales de Brasil, como Petrobras, hay otras para citar, Banco do Brasil, Caixa, en 2027.",364.28,381.78,{"idx":598,"utterance_id":599,"speaker_name":238,"text":600,"start_s":601,"end_s":602,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},57,"75326","Usted, como gobernador de Minas, incluso privatizó algunas empresas estatales, pero la principal promesa quedó afuera, Semig.",381.92,389.66,{"idx":604,"utterance_id":605,"speaker_name":238,"text":606,"start_s":607,"end_s":608,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},58,"75327","Mi pregunta para usted es la siguiente: ¿cómo va a hacer, en tan poco tiempo, para llevar a cabo esas privatizaciones prometidas?",390.3,395.38,{"idx":610,"utterance_id":611,"speaker_name":238,"text":612,"start_s":613,"end_s":614,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},59,"75328","Sobre todo Petrobras.",396.56,397.8,{"idx":616,"utterance_id":617,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":618,"start_s":619,"end_s":620,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},60,"75329","Sí.",398.2,398.34,{"idx":622,"utterance_id":623,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":624,"start_s":625,"end_s":626,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":405,"topic_label":406,"target_id":407,"target_proposition":408,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":627,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},61,"75330","Sadi... Como dije hace un momento, privatizé, vendí participación en 118 empresas en Minas Gerais.",399.04,408.2,"reitera haber privatizado y vendido participaciones, defendiendo las privatizaciones pasadas.",{"idx":629,"utterance_id":630,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":631,"start_s":632,"end_s":633,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},62,"75331","La última de ellas, hace 90, 120 días, fue la Copasa, que es la compañía de saneamiento.",408.94,415.94,{"idx":635,"utterance_id":636,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":637,"start_s":638,"end_s":639,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},63,"75332","Quedó faltando una, la compañía de energía que es la Semig.",416.32,420.84,{"idx":641,"utterance_id":642,"speaker_name":238,"text":643,"start_s":644,"end_s":645,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},64,"75333","Pero que es la mayor y la principal, ¿no?",421.06,422.34,{"idx":647,"utterance_id":648,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":649,"start_s":650,"end_s":651,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},65,"75334","Que es la más grande, junto con la Copasa, exactamente.",422.82,425.8,{"idx":653,"utterance_id":654,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":655,"start_s":656,"end_s":657,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},66,"75335","El gobierno federal, de la misma manera que el gobierno del Estado que yo administré, tiene participación minoritaria en innumerables empresas.",427.48,435.46,{"idx":659,"utterance_id":660,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":661,"start_s":662,"end_s":663,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},67,"75336","En Minas Gerais vendí todo eso.",435.72,438.08,{"idx":665,"utterance_id":666,"speaker_name":238,"text":667,"start_s":668,"end_s":669,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},68,"75337","Pero es porque la Copasa tardó, perdón, candidato, siete años.",438.3,441.24,{"idx":671,"utterance_id":672,"speaker_name":238,"text":673,"start_s":674,"end_s":675,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},69,"75338","La promesa aquí es privatizar en 2027.",442.42,444.26,{"idx":677,"utterance_id":678,"speaker_name":238,"text":679,"start_s":680,"end_s":681,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},70,"75339","Por eso le pregunto, ¿cómo va a hacerlo?",444.94,447.04,{"idx":683,"utterance_id":684,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":685,"start_s":686,"end_s":687,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},71,"75340","Está bien, entonces vamos allá.",447.24,448.44,{"idx":689,"utterance_id":690,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":691,"start_s":692,"end_s":693,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},72,"75341","Cuando asumí en 2019, ¿cuál era mi capital político?",449.02,453.22,{"idx":695,"utterance_id":696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":697,"start_s":698,"end_s":699,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},73,"75342","Cero.",453.86,454.18,{"idx":701,"utterance_id":702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":703,"start_s":704,"end_s":705,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},74,"75343","Nunca había sido alcalde ni diputado; fui candidato por primera vez, Sadi, en 2019.",454.56,461.32,{"idx":707,"utterance_id":708,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":709,"start_s":710,"end_s":711,"word_count":441,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},75,"75344","Asumí un Estado quebrado, arruinado, y buena parte del establishment político en Minas creía que ese señor de allá del interior no iba a poder administrar el Estado, no.",461.76,474.24,{"idx":713,"utterance_id":714,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":715,"start_s":716,"end_s":717,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},76,"75345","Pensaban que mi gobierno no llegaría a nada, como le ocurrió a varios outsiders en esa ocasión.",475.46,483.08,{"idx":719,"utterance_id":720,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":721,"start_s":722,"end_s":723,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},77,"75346","Y mi primer gobierno fue para arreglar Minas.",484.04,487.12,{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},78,"75347","Y en el segundo fue cuando hicimos los avances.",487.92,491.22,{"idx":731,"utterance_id":732,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":733,"start_s":734,"end_s":735,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},79,"75348","Ahora, si soy elegido presidente de Brasil, voy a asumir con capital político.",491.4,497.3,{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},80,"75349","Hoy tengo en mi historial la gestión privada, que creé una empresa que está funcionando y genera más de 5.000 empleos directos.",497.46,506.54,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":480,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},81,"75350","Y también tengo... mi gobierno en el estado donde nací, que creó más de un millón de empleos y tiene una situación económica hoy mucho mejor que la de hace ocho años, cuando asumí.",507.2,521.2,{"idx":749,"utterance_id":750,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":751,"start_s":752,"end_s":753,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},82,"75351","Y tuve el apoyo del Legislativo.",521.68,525.14,{"idx":755,"utterance_id":756,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":757,"start_s":758,"end_s":759,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},83,"75352","Para mí, fue una curva de aprendizaje.",525.6,528.32,{"idx":761,"utterance_id":762,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":763,"start_s":764,"end_s":765,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},84,"75353","Y llegaré a Brasilia mucho mejor preparado.",528.8,531.92,{"idx":767,"utterance_id":768,"speaker_name":238,"text":769,"start_s":770,"end_s":771,"word_count":425,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},85,"75354","Entonces, lo que usted está diciendo es que en un año no alcanzará para hacerlo, que es la promesa suya de privatizar en 2027 si resulta elegido.",531.98,537.36,{"idx":773,"utterance_id":774,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":775,"start_s":776,"end_s":777,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":405,"topic_label":406,"target_id":407,"target_proposition":408,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":778,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},86,"75355","Quiero hacerlo lo más rápido posible.",537.48,540.48,"dice 'quero fazer o mais rápido possível' y cita a Petrobras como prioridad.",{"idx":780,"utterance_id":781,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":782,"start_s":783,"end_s":784,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},87,"75356","Y empezando por las grandes, si es posible con Petrobras.",540.84,543.94,{"idx":786,"utterance_id":787,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":788,"start_s":789,"end_s":790,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},88,"75357","Ahora sabemos que en política la velocidad siempre es imprevisible.",544.34,548.68,{"idx":792,"utterance_id":793,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":794,"start_s":795,"end_s":796,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},89,"75358","Lo vi claramente en Minas.",548.86,550.46,{"idx":798,"utterance_id":799,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":800,"start_s":801,"end_s":802,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},90,"75359","Pero en lo que dependa de mí, quiero avanzar.",550.76,553.34,{"idx":804,"utterance_id":805,"speaker_name":238,"text":806,"start_s":807,"end_s":808,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},91,"75360","Pero es que no depende, ¿no?",553.88,555.12,{"idx":810,"utterance_id":811,"speaker_name":238,"text":812,"start_s":813,"end_s":814,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},92,"75361","Como usted sabe, usted mismo acaba de decir, depende de esa articulación política.",555.18,557.56,{"idx":816,"utterance_id":817,"speaker_name":238,"text":818,"start_s":819,"end_s":820,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},93,"75362","Usted es ese candidato que... Vamos a hablar un poco más sobre política, pero mi punto aquí no es la voluntad.",557.62,563.92,{"idx":822,"utterance_id":823,"speaker_name":238,"text":824,"start_s":825,"end_s":826,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},94,"75363","Sé que usted las tiene, además es una de sus banderas, una de las principales banderas: las privatizaciones.",564.16,568.82,{"idx":828,"utterance_id":829,"speaker_name":238,"text":830,"start_s":831,"end_s":832,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},95,"75364","Pero depende de composición, depende de articulación.",569.26,573.1,{"idx":834,"utterance_id":835,"speaker_name":238,"text":836,"start_s":837,"end_s":838,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},96,"75365","Y la promesa de aprobar y privatizar en 2027, por ejemplo, Petrobras, me parece... Nada en política es imposible, pero totalmente improbable.",573.54,583.92,{"idx":840,"utterance_id":841,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":842,"start_s":843,"end_s":844,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},97,"75366","Entonces le voy a dar aquí un detalle importante.",583.98,587.06,{"idx":846,"utterance_id":847,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":848,"start_s":849,"end_s":850,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},98,"75367","En Minas Gerais, durante mi primer gobierno, las cosas avanzaron despacio.",587.54,592.82,{"idx":852,"utterance_id":853,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":854,"start_s":855,"end_s":856,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},99,"75368","Pero estaba pagando deuda, reduciendo el Estado, como dije, mejorando las cuentas.",593.36,599.52,{"idx":858,"utterance_id":859,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":860,"start_s":861,"end_s":862,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},100,"75369","En el segundo gobierno, la Asamblea caminó con nosotros.",600.04,603.08,{"idx":864,"utterance_id":865,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":866,"start_s":867,"end_s":868,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},101,"75370","Primero hubo un cambio en la dirección.",603.24,605.36,{"idx":870,"utterance_id":871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":872,"start_s":873,"end_s":874,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},102,"75371","El primer presidente era notoriamente contrario a mi gestión, el segundo no.",606.08,611.5,{"idx":876,"utterance_id":877,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":878,"start_s":879,"end_s":880,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},103,"75372","Y lo que hicimos allí fue acercar a los parlamentarios al Estado, sin el 'toma y daca'.",612.44,619.92,{"idx":882,"utterance_id":883,"speaker_name":238,"text":884,"start_s":885,"end_s":886,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},104,"75373","Pero estos aquí, incluso esas, son objeto de codicia política.",620.1,624.9,{"idx":888,"utterance_id":889,"speaker_name":238,"text":890,"start_s":891,"end_s":892,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},105,"75374","Como el Banco do Brasil, Caixa, la propia Petrobras.",625.7,628.52,{"idx":894,"utterance_id":895,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":896,"start_s":897,"end_s":898,"word_count":491,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},106,"75375","Pero aquellas en las que vendí participación, como la Light aquí, era algo... 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necesario.",{"idx":913,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},109,"75378","Hice un gran catálogo con miles de obras que queríamos ejecutar en Minas: reformas de escuelas, recuperación de carreteras, ampliación de hospitales, etc., etc.",655.34,668.52,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":441,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},110,"75379","Se lo entregué a cada uno de los parlamentarios y les dije: diputado, si usted utiliza sus enmiendas parlamentarias en esos proyectos estructurantes, por cada real que usted ponga, nosotros pondremos dos.",669.26,684.52,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":238,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":331,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},111,"75380","Vamos a hablar de esto más adelante, pero quiero todavía entender, porque no me queda claro, por qué usted fracasó en la empresa estatal más importante.",684.72,695.28,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":238,"text":465,"start_s":933,"end_s":934,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},112,"75381",695.88,696.4,{"idx":936,"utterance_id":937,"speaker_name":238,"text":938,"start_s":939,"end_s":940,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},113,"75382","¿Dónde se equivocó usted?",696.44,697.04,{"idx":942,"utterance_id":943,"speaker_name":238,"text":944,"start_s":945,"end_s":946,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},114,"75383","Natuza, sigue adelante.",697.44,698.86,{"idx":948,"utterance_id":949,"speaker_name":238,"text":950,"start_s":951,"end_s":952,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},115,"75384","Natuza, yo quiero...",699.62,700.78,{"idx":954,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":238,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},116,"75385","Fueron ocho años, gobernador.",700.82,702.02,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":238,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},117,"75386","Entonces yo quiero...",702.26,703.08,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":238,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},118,"75387","¿Usted está diciendo que va a hacerlo con una empresa del tamaño de Petrobras en muy poco tiempo?",703.12,708.26,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":238,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":441,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},119,"75388","Si usted no lo consiguió, siendo que es la mayor empresa de su estado, ¿por qué el elector puede confiar en que esta vez usted cumplirá lo que prometió?",708.62,716.68,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},120,"75389","Como dije, fui elegido un gran desconocido, la clase política apostando a que aquel gobernador no iba a prosperar.",717.24,728.16,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},121,"75390","Mi situación hoy es diferente.",728.34,730.16,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},122,"75391","Ya tengo un historial de entregas en Minas Gerais, un gobierno que no tuvo corrupción.",730.6,736.82,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},123,"75392","Y queremos hacer esos cambios en Brasil, porque el brasileño, hoy, quizá más que nunca, nunca ha estado tan indignado.",738.4,747.26,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},124,"75393","Ahí está el Banco Master.",747.66,748.88,{"idx":1008,"utterance_id":1009,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1010,"start_s":1011,"end_s":1012,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},125,"75394","¿Quién estuvo involucrado con el Banco Master?",749.06,752.08,{"idx":1014,"utterance_id":1015,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1016,"start_s":1017,"end_s":1018,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},126,"75395","Solo entes públicos.",752.7,754.32,{"idx":1020,"utterance_id":1021,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1022,"start_s":1023,"end_s":1024,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},127,"75396","El BRB, ¿quién más?",754.62,757.42,{"idx":1026,"utterance_id":1027,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1028,"start_s":1029,"end_s":1030,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},128,"75397","Los fondos de pensiones públicos.",757.64,759.94,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},129,"75398","No se vio banco privado ni fondo de pensión privado involucrado.",760.84,765.64,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},130,"75399","Estamos en un momento diferente, sé que el Congreso no es algo previsible, pero haremos todo el esfuerzo.",766.28,775.3,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},131,"75400","Estoy muy confiado, el brasileño quiere cambios.",775.62,779.48,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},132,"75401","Escucho eso en la calle, estoy junto con la gente.",780.48,783.68,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":238,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},133,"75402","Hay otra, un lema de su campaña, que es combatir a los intocables del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",784.14,790.52,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":238,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},134,"75403","Incluso hay videos cortos suyos en las redes sociales.",790.6,793.64,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":238,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":425,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},135,"75404","Y quería preguntarle lo siguiente: si usted es elegido, ¿no teme comenzar su mandato con una crisis institucional?",794.56,801.5,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":238,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},136,"75405","De ninguna manera.",802.8,803.8,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":238,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},137,"75406","¿Por qué?",804.02,804.28,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75407","¿Será que lo que hicieron allá en Brasilia, algunos ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), es republicano?",806.48,811.82,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},139,"75408","Creo que no.",813.5,814.4,{"idx":198,"utterance_id":1097,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1098,"start_s":1099,"end_s":1100,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75409","En mi opinión, lo que hicieron desacredita al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y desacredita a Brasil.",815.3,821.64,{"idx":1102,"utterance_id":1103,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1104,"start_s":1105,"end_s":1106,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":1107,"topic_label":1108,"target_id":1109,"target_proposition":1110,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":1111,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},141,"75410","Si soy elegido presidente... Quiero una reforma profunda en el poder judicial.",822.46,827.94,"reforma-do-judiciario-stf","Reforma judicial \u002F STF","aac98a94-f5de-48f0-84f2-d89c407d8b32","realizar la reforma del Poder Judicial","declara querer 'uma reforma profunda no judiciário' si es elegido (proposición explícita).",{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":238,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},142,"75411","¿Pero esa será una de sus primeras medidas?",828.12,832.3,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},143,"75412","Quiero trabajar junto con el Congreso.",832.84,835.28,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75413","Tuvimos el primer viento de la tormenta que viene adelante, que fue la no sabatina de Messias, hace cuatro meses.",835.5,844.64,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},145,"75414","El Senado empezó a señalar que las cosas están un poco diferentes.",845.36,849.64,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":238,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},146,"75415","La audiencia sí se realizó, lo que no hubo fue aprobación.",849.82,851.86,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},147,"75416","Aprobación, eso.",852.02,853.16,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},148,"75417","La aprobación de su nombre.",853.58,855.82,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":480,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},149,"75418","Y lo que también percibo, estoy siempre con parlamentarios de Minas Gerais, con gente, hay un clima, a pesar de que la prensa ya no lo esté informando, un clima de indignación enorme con esos intocables de allá en Brasilia.",856.64,871.8,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},150,"75419","Lo que hemos vivido hoy, el brasileño lo sabe muy bien, es una bofetada en la cara a diario.",872.5,880.08,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":425,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},151,"75420","Nosotros que nos matamos a trabajar, que trabajamos desde temprano, no conseguimos pagar nuestras cuentas y quienes están allá en Brasilia se las arreglan para conseguir contratos de millones por causa del cargo.",880.74,893.6,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":238,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},152,"75421","Perciba que usted está describiendo una guerra entre poderes.",893.64,897.78,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},153,"75422","Sí, y otro punto, Sadi.",897.9,900.2,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},154,"75423","Seré elegido sin estar comprometido.",900.9,902.54,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":539,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},155,"75424","No tengo hijo siendo investigado, no tengo a nadie de mi partido siendo investigado, por eso mismo soy el candidato que más ha denunciado esa farra de los intocables en Brasilia y, incluso, estoy respondiendo a un proceso del intocable Gilmar Mendes, que se sintió calumniado.",903.28,922.56,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},156,"75425","Estamos aquí en Brasil, me parece, en un régimen de excepción, donde no se puede hacer sátira.",923.1,928.54,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75426","Yo soy político por indignación, por inconformismo.",929.28,935.12,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},158,"75427","Si es para hacer igual que la mayoría de los políticos que están ahí detrás de intereses... yo no estaría.",935.62,941.8,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},159,"75428","Ya tengo mi vida resuelta, con mi empresa constituida.",942.02,946.3,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1221,"start_s":1222,"end_s":1223,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},160,"75429","Lo que quiero es mostrar, como lo hice durante siete años y medio, que se puede gobernar sin hacer esquemas, que se pueden lograr avances institucionales.",946.72,956.62,{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},161,"75430","Y uno de los que queremos hacer en Brasil es en el poder judicial.",957.2,959.94,{"idx":1231,"utterance_id":1232,"speaker_name":238,"text":1233,"start_s":1234,"end_s":1235,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},162,"75431","Entre sus propuestas, usted habla de acabar con competencias que hoy tiene el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",960.4,968.38,{"idx":1237,"utterance_id":1238,"speaker_name":238,"text":1239,"start_s":1240,"end_s":1241,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},163,"75432","tanto en materias penales como en materias de competencia tributaria, es decir, el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) ya no trataría esos dos puntos.",968.86,977.78,{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":238,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},164,"75433","Una cosa es cambiar la forma de elección de los ministros, otra es cuestionar puntos del funcionamiento interno de ellos.",978.7,989.36,{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":238,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},165,"75434","La decisión monocrática, por ejemplo, es una de ellas.",989.46,992.96,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":238,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},166,"75435","¿No sería eso una invasión de funciones?",994.52,997.9,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":238,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},167,"75436","¿Una interferencia, o no existiría una interferencia si usted, si es elegido, interfiriera de un poder sobre el otro, lo que la Constitución no permite?",998.68,1006.3,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},168,"75437","Es competencia del poder judicial hacer los cambios en el poder judicial.",1008.44,1013.28,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},169,"75438","Pero quiero contribuir a ese cambio.",1013.84,1016.66,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},170,"75439","Vamos a construir esto a cuatro manos.",1016.76,1019.76,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},171,"75440","No voy a llegar allí y decir: háganlo, hagan el cambio.",1020.42,1023.38,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},172,"75441","En Minas avanzamos mucho.",1023.6,1026.84,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},173,"75442","En todas las áreas, fui el gobernador de Minas que más acudió al Tribunal de Justicia, al Ministerio Público, a la Defensoría, al Tribunal de Cuentas.",1027.28,1036.74,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},174,"75443","No soy ese tipo de autoridad que se cree una majestad que se queda esperando a que las cosas sucedan.",1037.3,1046.36,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},175,"75444","Como siempre he tenido que ir tras las oportunidades, eso fue lo que hice como gobernador y haré como presidente.",1047.22,1055.84,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1320,"target_proposition":1321,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":1323,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},176,"75445","Voy a convocar a todos los poderes; inclusive, una de las propuestas que tengo es que la máquina pública en general —municipios, estados y la unión— sea al menos un 1% más eficiente por año.",1056.38,1069.42,"d0891e1f-ece7-4037-8f02-80f8e6797be7","aumentar la eficiencia de la máquina pública en al menos 1% anual",0.88,"propone meta directa: volver municipios, estados y la Unión un 1% más eficientes por año.",{"idx":1325,"utterance_id":1326,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1327,"start_s":1328,"end_s":1329,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},177,"75446","¿Qué está pasando en Brasil?",1069.88,1071.28,{"idx":1331,"utterance_id":1332,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1333,"start_s":1334,"end_s":1335,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},178,"75447","Solo aumentos de impuestos, aumentos de impuestos, aumentos de impuestos.",1071.4,1074.2,{"idx":1337,"utterance_id":1338,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1339,"start_s":1340,"end_s":1341,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":1342,"topic_label":1343,"target_id":1344,"target_proposition":1345,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":1346,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},179,"75448","Conmigo empezarán a bajar.",1074.3,1075.6,"politica-tarifaria","Política tarifaria","f7fc0e2c-fbda-402d-94f7-1e4f1eb82877","reducir impuestos federales","afirma que bajo su gestión 'vai começar a cair' el aumento de impuestos (compromiso claro).",{"idx":1348,"utterance_id":1349,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1350,"start_s":1351,"end_s":1352,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},180,"75449","Hay tantos recursos tecnológicos, inteligencia artificial.",1076.34,1080.38,{"idx":1354,"utterance_id":1355,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1356,"start_s":1357,"end_s":1358,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},181,"75450","En el sector privado, aquí, en la emisora...",1080.88,1083.36,{"idx":1360,"utterance_id":1361,"speaker_name":238,"text":1362,"start_s":1363,"end_s":1364,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},182,"75451","¿Cómo va a reducir impuestos con inteligencia artificial?",1083.48,1086.26,{"idx":1366,"utterance_id":1367,"speaker_name":238,"text":1368,"start_s":1369,"end_s":1370,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},183,"75452","Una propuesta concreta suya.",1086.98,1088.38,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75453","Por ejemplo, en el poder judicial.",1089.3,1090.58,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":1382,"topic_label":1383,"target_id":1384,"target_proposition":1385,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":1386,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},185,"75454","Hay muchas cosas que un juez hace hoy que la inteligencia artificial puede asesorarlo y él se vuelve mucho más productivo.",1091.1,1097.86,"inovacao-e-governanca","Innovación y gobernanza","f6039ff1-c73a-4f04-9244-25f33172700a","usar inteligencia artificial para aumentar la productividad del sector público y reducir cargos","propone el uso de IA para asesoramiento judicial y una reducción gradual de jueces (metodología propuesta).",{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":238,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},186,"75455","¿Pero dónde eso reduce impuestos?",1098.06,1099.38,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},187,"75456","En lugar de tener 10.000 jueces, usted puede, con el tiempo, reducir a 8.000, luego a 6.000, porque serán más productivos.",1100.38,1107.98,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},188,"75457","El sector público, estuve allí dentro, del otro lado del mostrador.",1108.38,1112.54,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},189,"75458","Solo quiere más estructura, solo quiere más cargos, solo quiere más poder y más presupuesto.",1112.96,1119.54,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},190,"75459","Lo vi.",1119.84,1120.56,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},191,"75460","Y tenemos el dinero en sentido contrario.",1120.86,1122.94,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":238,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},192,"75461","Déjeme preguntar todavía sobre el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), porque ya le he visto hablando, defendiendo el cambio.",1123.02,1127.44,{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":238,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},193,"75462","de criterios para la designación, prerrogativas para la designación de ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",1128.16,1132.48,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":238,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},194,"75463","Si usted es elegido, cualquier presidente electo tendrá derecho a cuatro nombramientos.",1132.92,1137.96,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":238,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},195,"75464","¿Se compromete usted, si es elegido, a cambiar esa regla?",1138.5,1141.36,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":238,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},196,"75465","¿Cómo sería eso?",1141.42,1142.02,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":238,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},197,"75466","Me comprometo aquí.",1142.5,1143.74,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":238,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},198,"75467","¿Usted no va a nombrar a ninguno por su cuenta?",1144.02,1146.4,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":238,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},199,"75468","¿Habrá lista tríplice?",1146.94,1148.22,{"idx":1472,"utterance_id":1473,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1474,"start_s":1475,"end_s":1476,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1477,"topic_label":1478,"target_id":1479,"target_proposition":1480,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":1481,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},200,"75469","Como gobernador de Minas, hice uso de la lista tríplice.",1148.5,1153.14,"nomeacoes-e-indicacoes","Nombramientos e indicaciones","750732f2-957a-4e9f-b386-4107fdd72509","garantizar transparencia y criterios en las designaciones para el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","defiende el uso de la lista tríplice y renunciar al poder de nombramiento personal.",{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},201,"75470","Me llegaron en siete ocasiones, si no me equivoco.",1153.54,1156.92,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},202,"75471","Nombres excelentes, porque ya habían pasado por una criba, o en la OAD, o en el Ministerio Público y en el propio Tribunal de Justicia, y llegaron nombres excelentes.",1157.7,1168.84,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75472","Ahora, ¿por qué el presidente tiene tanta libertad para designar a su abogado, al abogado del PT, a su ministro?",1168.9,1177.38,{"idx":1500,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},204,"75473","Yo, como presidente, quiero que me llegue una lista de notables.",1178.16,1183.34,{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":238,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},205,"75474","¿Y a quién escuchará usted para el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), si es elegido?",1183.42,1186.12,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75475","Me gustaría mucho que ya hiciéramos ese cambio.",1186.62,1190.18,{"idx":1517,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},207,"75476","Que la OAB colaborara, el STJ (Superior Tribunal de Justicia), el MPF (Ministerio Público Federal), el Senado, en la elaboración de esa lista tríplice.",1190.66,1199.94,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},208,"75477","Y que llegara al presidente, y yo, siendo presidente, renuncio a eso.",1200.82,1205.14,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},209,"75478","Lo que quiero es gente cualificada.",1205.26,1207.22,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},210,"75479","No tengo ningún nombre.",1207.72,1209.04,{"idx":1541,"utterance_id":1542,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1543,"start_s":1544,"end_s":1545,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},211,"75480","Aquel de allá es mi amigo, aquel de allá es mi abogado.",1209.12,1211.78,{"idx":1547,"utterance_id":1548,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1549,"start_s":1550,"end_s":1551,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},212,"75481","Eso para mí...",1212.36,1213.02,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":238,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},213,"75482","¿Pero los senadores políticos indicarían?",1213.08,1215.46,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},214,"75483","Ellos van a contribuir para poder hacer esa lista triple.",1216.44,1219.88,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},215,"75484","Ahí tenemos que elaborar la regla, Sadi.",1220.02,1222.22,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":1477,"topic_label":1478,"target_id":1479,"target_proposition":1480,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":1576,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},216,"75485","Pero lo que quiero es quitarle al presidente ese poder que le permite, si quiere, incluso nombrar al hermano y al hijo.",1222.66,1230.12,"afirma querer 'tirar do presidente esse poder' de nombrar parientes (apoyo claro al cambio).",{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},217,"75486","Lo que creo que es un absurdo.",1230.56,1231.88,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":238,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":1589,"topic_label":1590,"target_id":1591,"target_proposition":1592,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":1594,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},218,"75487","Usted también defiende el impeachment de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), pero esa es una agenda que... jamás avanzó.",1232.04,1238.58,"investigacao-e-responsabilizacao-judicial","Investigación y responsabilización judicial","5959294f-f900-447b-830e-87ca3bb6d207","promover el impeachment de magistrados del STF",0.65,"el entrevistador afirma que él defiende el impeachment, relata la posición sin detallar el método.",{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":238,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},219,"75488","Impeachment de ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",1238.62,1240.68,{"idx":471,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":238,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75489","¿Cómo va a hacerlo?",1241.16,1242.36,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":238,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1614,"target_proposition":1615,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":1617,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},221,"75490","¿Intentará cambiar las reglas del juego para forzar al Senado a aprobar el impeachment de un ministro, no?",1242.4,1249.44,"processo-legislativo","Proceso legislativo","2577b354-eaad-4739-8f57-c74f12fd6d02","cambiar reglas del Senado para facilitar la aprobación de impeachment de ministros",0.75,"pregunta periodística sobre la intención de cambiar las reglas para forzar un impeachment.",{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1624,"target_proposition":1625,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":1626,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},222,"75491","Natuza, quien sigue esta cuestión del impeachment sabe que es el presidente del Senado quien archivó todo.",1250.74,1258.48,"e67eabaa-8f4c-49d2-b022-0bf46a4134f2","aprobar el impeachment de ministros","atribuye la demora al presidente del Senado, implicando apoyo a aprobar impeachments.",{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1624,"target_proposition":1625,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1633,"rationale":1634,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},223,"75492","Es el archivador del impeachment.",1259.16,1261.04,0.86,"repite la crítica al 'engavetador', reforzando el apoyo a la tramitación del impeachment.",{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1614,"target_proposition":1615,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":1641,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},224,"75493","Confío en que tendremos cambios.",1261.52,1264.58,"declara confianza en cambios institucionales relacionados con el tema del impeachment.",{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1648,"target_proposition":1649,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":1650,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},225,"75494","tanto en el Senado como en la presidencia, y que llegará el momento en que mostraremos a los brasileños que finalmente tuvieron la solución a un problema, que es el de tener ministros que están allí utilizando el cargo para enriquecerse, a pesar de ya recibir uno de los salarios más altos de Brasil.",1264.98,1287.1,"4f5906d2-67f8-4320-9f3e-0112c6841e0a","aprobar el impeachment de ministros que usan el cargo para enriquecerse","propone solución para ministros que se enriquecen en el cargo — defiende la acción (impeachment).",{"idx":1652,"utterance_id":1653,"speaker_name":238,"text":1654,"start_s":1655,"end_s":1656,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},226,"75495","Quería hablar un poco con usted sobre política.",1288.56,1290.8,{"idx":1658,"utterance_id":1659,"speaker_name":238,"text":1660,"start_s":1661,"end_s":1662,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1663,"target_proposition":1664,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":1666,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},227,"75496","sobre el vicepresidente que usted eligió en el penúltimo día del plazo, Eduardo Girão.",1291.76,1295.64,"281b4d5f-77c8-457e-b98b-a9927a4cb8d3","anunciar al vicepresidente con antelación",0.7,"pregunta periodística sobre el anuncio tardío del vice, sin postura normativa explícita.",{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":238,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":480,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},228,"75497","Me quedé aquí pensando: él es del mismo partido que usted, y estábamos esperando; lo vi hablando en O Antagonista, esta semana usted estuvo en una entrevista y cuando le preguntaron, ah, ¿cuándo será?",1296.54,1306.86,{"idx":1674,"utterance_id":1675,"speaker_name":238,"text":1676,"start_s":1677,"end_s":1678,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},229,"75498","Está viniendo, está viniendo, está viniendo, pero tardó mucho.",1307.18,1309.72,{"idx":1680,"utterance_id":1681,"speaker_name":238,"text":1682,"start_s":1683,"end_s":1684,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1685,"target_proposition":1686,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":1687,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},230,"75499","¿Por qué tuvo usted tanta dificultad para formar la alianza?",1309.98,1312.42,"973a8d7b-00ac-40b9-9ff7-e8a689a1d758","formar alianzas y composiciones políticas para la campaña","pregunta sobre la dificultad de componer alianzas\u002Fchapas, tono informativo.",{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},231,"75500","Sadi, usted y Natuza siguen mucho la política.",1313.88,1317.26,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},232,"75501","Y saben que todo el mundo espera hasta el último día, ¿no?",1317.62,1320.6,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},233,"75502","No fue ayer por la noche que...",1320.7,1321.62,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":238,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1712,"target_proposition":1713,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":1714,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},234,"75503","¿Pero quedó Girão, por qué?",1321.66,1322.62,"b3c8a0f6-384f-40e7-b3c3-cbd6f10f8966","formar alianzas electorales","pregunta directa sobre por qué Girão quedó como opción de vice.",{"idx":1716,"utterance_id":1717,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1718,"start_s":1719,"end_s":1720,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1721,"target_proposition":1722,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":1723,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},235,"75504","Pues, optamos por una candidatura pura.",1323.5,1326.42,"00727c31-8e1f-4e8c-b2c4-6def5584e249","formar fórmula pura con candidato y vicepresidente del mismo partido","declaración explícita: 'nós optamos por uma chapa pura'.",{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":238,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1721,"target_proposition":1722,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":1730,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},236,"75505","¿Pero fue elección o fue lo que quedó?",1326.76,1328.56,"cuestiona si la elección fue estratégica o por descarte, sin defender posición propia.",{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":238,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},237,"75506","Esa es mi pregunta.",1328.66,1329.28,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75507","No, fue elección.",1329.34,1330.22,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1748,"target_proposition":1749,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":1750,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},239,"75508","Desde hace un mes he dicho que estamos considerando las opciones internas y también externas, ¿no?",1330.5,1336.92,"8e6529ca-d6d5-4f6d-8c4a-1244fb44c754","considerar opciones internas y externas para la elección del vicepresidente","informa que venía evaluando opciones internas y externas para la composición de la chapa.",{"idx":1752,"utterance_id":1753,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1754,"start_s":1755,"end_s":1756,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},240,"75509","Y usted va...",1337.18,1337.94,{"idx":1758,"utterance_id":1759,"speaker_name":238,"text":1760,"start_s":1761,"end_s":1762,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},241,"75510","Pero, ¿qué aporta, siendo del mismo partido, es decir...",1338.14,1340.86,{"idx":1764,"utterance_id":1765,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1766,"start_s":1767,"end_s":1768,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1769,"target_proposition":1770,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":1771,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},242,"75511","Pues, primero, él es de otro estado, es de otra región.",1341.74,1346.76,"2e704834-5c70-42ac-8aee-59a3d1281886","elegir vicepresidente de otro estado\u002Fregión para integrar la fórmula","defiende a Girão porque es de otro estado\u002Fregión — argumento de composición regional.",{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1778,"target_proposition":1779,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":1780,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},243,"75512","Tiene un historial como senador que coincide mucho con esta cuestión de los intocables.",1347.78,1353.48,"6d813853-f2d4-42fd-95ab-2decac02d65f","investigar y responsabilizar a políticos por corrupción","elogia el historial del vice en criticar a los 'intocáveis', apoyando investigar la impunidad.",{"idx":1782,"utterance_id":1783,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1784,"start_s":1785,"end_s":1786,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1778,"target_proposition":1779,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":1787,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},244,"75513","Es uno de los que más critica esas aberraciones de allá en Brasilia.",1353.64,1358.66,"afirma que Girão critica aberraciones de Brasilia — refuerza la prioridad anticorrupción.",{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1789,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1790,"start_s":1791,"end_s":1792,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":1793,"topic_label":1794,"target_id":1795,"target_proposition":1796,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1797,"rationale":1798,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"75514","Entonces, él tampoco está comprometido.",1359.24,1361.24,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ética y integridad pública","7d0733d2-5c70-494b-b166-6ea8ea2847f4","tener en la fórmula un vice con ficha limpia sin implicación en irregularidades",0.82,"destaca que el vice es 'ficha limpa' y sin 'rabo preso' como justificación.",{"idx":1800,"utterance_id":1801,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1802,"start_s":1803,"end_s":1804,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":1793,"topic_label":1794,"target_id":1805,"target_proposition":1806,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":1807,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},246,"75515","Siempre he dicho que quiero tener a mi lado a alguien que pueda criticar sin tener nada que temer.",1361.3,1367.38,"8e4b3b4f-5ef8-4b33-8f2a-88cbb4c3f08a","elegir vice sin conflictos de interés","declara querer a alguien que pueda criticar sin temer represalias (sin conflictos).",{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},247,"75516","No tiene hijos involucrados en nada, tiene ficha limpia.",1367.8,1370.66,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":1820,"topic_label":1821,"target_id":1822,"target_proposition":1823,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":1824,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},248,"75517","Entonces, eso es lo que quiero: libertad para mostrar esas aberraciones que están ocurriendo.",1370.94,1376.26,"transparencia-e-investigacao","Transparencia e investigación","e06894af-e671-4f4f-9a2a-7d125637f7fe","documentar irregularidades gubernamentales y hacerlas públicas","quiere libertad para mostrar 'aberrações' que ocurren en la política.",{"idx":1826,"utterance_id":1827,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1828,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":463,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},249,"75518","Ahora, si traigo a alguien de mi lado y dicen 'esto no puedes hacer porque yo estoy involucrado en ese proceso', luego me perseguirán; eso no lo quiero de ninguna manera.",1376.6,1386.68,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":238,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1663,"target_proposition":1664,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":1837,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},250,"75519","Pero si el senador Girão es el vice ideal para usted, ¿por qué no lo anunció antes?",1386.88,1393.58,"pregunta por qué el anuncio del vicepresidente fue tardío, sin postura propia.",{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":238,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},251,"75520","Y no es, claro, que siempre se deje para última hora.",1393.64,1396.1,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":238,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},252,"75521","Quien tiene, anuncia antes.",1396.16,1397.5,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":238,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},253,"75522","Quien no lo tiene, anuncia a última hora.",1397.84,1400.42,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},254,"75523","Pero en la política, Natuza... ¿Qué ocurre?",1401.22,1404.4,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},255,"75524","Usted va viendo cómo ocurrió allí en Minas ayer con el gobernador Matheus Simões.",1404.68,1409.84,{"idx":1869,"utterance_id":1870,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1871,"start_s":1872,"end_s":1873,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},256,"75525","Fue ayer, a las 11:30 de la noche, que creo que ellos cerraron allí la composición.",1410,1414.8,{"idx":1875,"utterance_id":1876,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1877,"start_s":1878,"end_s":1879,"word_count":497,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},257,"75526","El escenario va cambiando, surgen novedades y al final, aunque usted ya tenga algo bien definido, lo deja para más adelante para tomar la decisión, porque puede ser que algo... ocurra y eso deje de ser la mejor decisión.",1414.9,1432.16,{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":238,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},258,"75527","Pero, señor, ¿se sorprendió usted con el resultado de última hora en su estado?",1432.2,1436.08,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},259,"75528","No.",1437.52,1437.76,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},260,"75529","Yo ya más o menos lo preveía y vi que algo iba a cambiar, debido principalmente al senador Cleitinho.",1438.5,1449.6,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},261,"75530","Desde el principio decía que no creía que él iba a concretar su candidatura.",1449.98,1456.58,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},262,"75531","Entonces ya lo preveía.",1456.94,1457.88,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},263,"75532","El embrollo que surgió allí, los partidos quedaron medio sueltos.",1459.52,1464.7,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},264,"75533","Eso no lo preveía, no.",1464.78,1465.76,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},265,"75534","Y Matheus Simões, que es el actual gobernador, fue allí y demostró que es capaz de hacer una buena composición.",1466.22,1474.04,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":238,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1934,"target_proposition":1935,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":1936,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},266,"75535","¿Pero corre usted el riesgo de quedarse sin un palanque fuerte en Minas?",1474.4,1477.6,"54d11b64-d477-4787-aa85-b4ac265bf489","mantener una presencia política fuerte en Minas Gerais","pregunta sobre el riesgo de quedarse sin un palanque fuerte en el estado — tono informativo.",{"idx":1938,"utterance_id":1939,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1076,"start_s":1940,"end_s":1941,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},267,"75536",1478.18,1479.28,{"idx":1943,"utterance_id":1944,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1945,"start_s":1946,"end_s":1947,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},268,"75537","Matheus Simões fue mi secretario de Gobierno, secretario general.",1479.94,1485.34,{"idx":1949,"utterance_id":1950,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1951,"start_s":1952,"end_s":1953,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},269,"75538","Pero en las encuestas, usted las está siguiendo, ¿no?",1485.42,1487.64,{"idx":1955,"utterance_id":1956,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1957,"start_s":1958,"end_s":1959,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},270,"75539","Las estoy siguiendo.",1487.96,1488.76,{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":238,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},271,"75540","Entonces, es la cuestión de tener un palanque fuerte, de no quedarse sin palanque.",1488.82,1492.42,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1969,"start_s":1970,"end_s":1971,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},272,"75541","Él está teniendo el momento de mostrarse ahora.",1493.96,1497.22,{"idx":1973,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1975,"start_s":1976,"end_s":1977,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},273,"75542","¿Y está en el partido de Caiado, no?",1497.26,1498.44,{"idx":1979,"utterance_id":1980,"speaker_name":238,"text":1981,"start_s":1982,"end_s":1983,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},274,"75543","Solo para recordar.",1498.58,1499.1,{"idx":1985,"utterance_id":1986,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1987,"start_s":1988,"end_s":1989,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":210,"topic_label":211,"target_id":1990,"target_proposition":1991,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":1992,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},275,"75544","PSD: hicimos una alianza, Novo, PSD en Minas Gerais.",1499.18,1503.82,"1b819b21-e3e6-4e30-b8c4-e71052cbd277","hacer alianza con el PSD en Minas Gerais","anuncia alianza con PSD en Minas como elección estratégica.",{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},276,"75545","Es una persona de una inteligencia que yo desconozco.",1504.28,1508.26,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},277,"75546","Otra persona igual.",1508.32,1509.54,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":641,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},278,"75547","Brillante, fue mi brazo derecho durante siete años y medio, y ahora él viene con fuerza política, liderado por el PSD, ayer hizo allí un acuerdo con diversos otros partidos, eso significa más alcaldes, más diputados trabajando por él, más tiempo de TV, y él lleva el ADN del partido Novo, estuvo allí conmigo siete años y está llevando adelante todo lo que fue planificado.",1510.52,1538.54,{"idx":506,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":238,"text":2013,"start_s":2014,"end_s":2015,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75548","Usted habló de la situación del Estado, pero allí, según Quest, usted aparecía en tercer lugar con 12%.",1539.08,1548.98,{"idx":2017,"utterance_id":2018,"speaker_name":238,"text":2019,"start_s":2020,"end_s":2021,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},280,"75549","Eso en su propio Estado, en el Estado que usted acaba de gobernar.",1550.82,1555.76,{"idx":2023,"utterance_id":2024,"speaker_name":238,"text":2025,"start_s":2026,"end_s":2027,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},281,"75550","En la encuesta nacional de Quest, que se divulgó ayer, usted cayó al quinto lugar, con 2% de intención de voto.",1556.28,1564.44,{"idx":2029,"utterance_id":2030,"speaker_name":238,"text":2031,"start_s":2032,"end_s":2033,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},282,"75551","¿Por qué tiene usted tanta dificultad para despegar en las encuestas?",1564.84,1567.9,{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":622,"topic_slug":1793,"topic_label":1794,"target_id":2040,"target_proposition":2041,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":2042,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},283,"75552","Natuza, he recorrido todo Brasil, ya fui al Nordeste, ya fui al Sur, he llevado a los brasileños mis propuestas, mostrado lo que hice en los siete años y medio al frente de mi Estado: cero corrupción, cero familiares que llevé a mi administración, y el brasileño se va a sintonizar en modo electoral, en modo elección, en la víspera.",1568.98,1597.24,"332d1db0-8b5c-4d3f-aaa2-f2e366935c4b","promover la integridad y la transparencia en la administración pública","reivindica 'zero corrupção, zero parentes' como parte de su trayectoria de gobierno.",{"idx":2044,"utterance_id":2045,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2046,"start_s":2047,"end_s":2048,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},284,"75553","Si dependiera de las encuestas, sé que cada elección es una elección diferente, nunca habría sido elegido gobernador en 2018.",1597.88,1609.22,{"idx":2050,"utterance_id":2051,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2052,"start_s":2053,"end_s":2054,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},285,"75554","Hasta el último día antes de la elección, yo estaba allí atrás.",1609.72,1614.92,{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":503,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},286,"75555","Y en la última hora, en el momento en que el mineiro fue a ver a quién votar... Vio que había un tipo ahí que había trabajado duro toda la vida, desde niño, que era diferente del sistema y que merecía un voto de confianza.",1615.68,1630.64,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},287,"75556","La elección es muy parecida a ir a un restaurante.",1631.48,1635.48,{"idx":2068,"utterance_id":2069,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2070,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},288,"75557","Solo abres el menú y lo miras en el momento que llegas.",1635.62,1641.18,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},289,"75558","Desconozco a alguien que pida el menú con un mes, dos meses de antelación para quedarse mirando la comida.",1641.76,1648.98,{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":238,"text":2082,"start_s":2083,"end_s":2084,"word_count":447,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},290,"75559","Usted habló de los mineiros, entonces ¿por qué más de la mitad de los electores de Minas que le conocen dicen que no votarían por usted, según datos de julio de Quest?",1649.02,1658.7,{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":238,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},291,"75560","Conoce y votaría 40%, conoce y no votaría 53%.",1659.1,1662.28,{"idx":2092,"utterance_id":2093,"speaker_name":238,"text":2094,"start_s":2095,"end_s":2096,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},292,"75561","¿Cuál es la explicación que usted tiene para eso?",1664.34,1666.04,{"idx":2098,"utterance_id":2099,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2100,"start_s":2101,"end_s":2102,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},293,"75562","Sadi?",1667.66,1668.02,{"idx":2104,"utterance_id":2105,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2106,"start_s":2107,"end_s":2108,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},294,"75563","Las encuestas, una vez más: siempre me he guiado por ellas, respeto las encuestas, pero al llegar la hora H, las cosas siempre están sujetas a cambios.",1668.84,1682.4,{"idx":2110,"utterance_id":2111,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2112,"start_s":2113,"end_s":2114,"word_count":425,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},295,"75564","Ahora, de los candidatos ya a la presidencia de la República, tenemos el índice de rechazo general y el mío es uno de los que tiene menores índices de rechazo.",1682.64,1697.18,{"idx":2116,"utterance_id":2117,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2118,"start_s":2119,"end_s":2120,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},296,"75565","Estamos ahí, yo y otros, que no estamos puntuando tan bien, con el índice de rechazo bastante inferior.",1697.72,1704.54,{"idx":2122,"utterance_id":2123,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2124,"start_s":2125,"end_s":2126,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},297,"75566","Lo que necesitamos es mirar el contexto de Brasil.",1704.96,1707.72,{"idx":2128,"utterance_id":2129,"speaker_name":238,"text":2130,"start_s":2131,"end_s":2132,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},298,"75567","Es que, porque sabemos que el rechazo está ligado al desconocimiento también.",1708.08,1713.94,{"idx":2134,"utterance_id":2135,"speaker_name":238,"text":2136,"start_s":2137,"end_s":2138,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},299,"75568","Exacto.",1714.18,1714.9,{"idx":2140,"utterance_id":2141,"speaker_name":238,"text":2142,"start_s":2143,"end_s":2144,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},300,"75569","Pero hay un punto aquí que es importante resaltar.",1715.06,1719,{"idx":2146,"utterance_id":2147,"speaker_name":238,"text":2148,"start_s":2149,"end_s":2150,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},301,"75570","Usted en tercer lugar en el estado que usted acaba de gobernar.",1719.78,1722.76,{"idx":2152,"utterance_id":2153,"speaker_name":238,"text":2154,"start_s":2155,"end_s":2156,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},302,"75571","Por lo tanto... Los electores que le conocen en una parte, como dijo Sadi, no quieren votar por usted.",1722.88,1729.7,{"idx":2158,"utterance_id":2159,"speaker_name":238,"text":2160,"start_s":2161,"end_s":2162,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},303,"75572","Su rival, Ronaldo Caiado, en su estado, está en primer lugar.",1730.18,1735,{"idx":2164,"utterance_id":2165,"speaker_name":238,"text":2166,"start_s":2167,"end_s":2168,"word_count":491,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},304,"75573","Entonces tenemos que entender qué le falta a usted en Minas para poder conquistar Brasil, siendo que Minas, usted lo sabe mejor que nosotros aquí, es el estado espejo, es el estado que define.",1735.04,1746.26,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2170,"speaker_name":238,"text":2171,"start_s":2172,"end_s":2173,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75574","Ganó en Minas, ganó en Brasil.",1746.32,1748.72,{"idx":2175,"utterance_id":2176,"speaker_name":238,"text":2177,"start_s":2178,"end_s":2179,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},306,"75575","Al menos fue así en todas las elecciones.",1748.78,1750.96,{"idx":2181,"utterance_id":2182,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2183,"start_s":2184,"end_s":2185,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},307,"75576","Exactamente, Natuza.",1751.74,1753.28,{"idx":2187,"utterance_id":2188,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2189,"start_s":2190,"end_s":2191,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},308,"75577","Natuza, en Minas Gerais, ya me mostraron allí.",1753.94,1757.46,{"idx":2193,"utterance_id":2194,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2195,"start_s":2196,"end_s":2197,"word_count":441,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},309,"75578","cuando se le pregunta al mineiro a quién va a votar este año para gobernador, muchas veces mi nombre aparece constando, a pesar de que no soy candidato a gobernador.",1757.64,1769.98,{"idx":2199,"utterance_id":2200,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2201,"start_s":2202,"end_s":2203,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},310,"75579","El brasileño, el mineiro, aún no están sintonizados en modo electoral.",1771.04,1777.18,{"idx":2205,"utterance_id":2206,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2207,"start_s":2208,"end_s":2209,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},311,"75580","Y tal vez en Goiás la gente esté más bien informada, Minas son 853 municipios, mucha gente en zona rural, es uno de los lugares más difíciles para hacer encuestas en Brasil, debido a la diversidad del Estado.",1777.56,1794.14,{"idx":2211,"utterance_id":2212,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2213,"start_s":2214,"end_s":2215,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},312,"75581","Y una vez más, en 2018, ninguna encuesta me señalaba como alguien que tendría oportunidad y todas las encuestas señalaban a la senadora Dilma.",1794.68,1806.36,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75582","Y quedó en cuarto lugar.",1807.12,1808.86,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":238,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},314,"75583","Pero en las encuestas de 2022, usted apareció como favorito, ¿no?",1809.54,1814.76,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},315,"75584","Sí, yo era gobernador, fue una elección diferente.",1814.9,1819.84,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},316,"75585","Ahora me parece que este año, 2026, estamos teniendo una elección que tiene similitud con la de 2018.",1820.38,1827.18,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},317,"75586","La de 2018 fue la elección de la antipolítica.",1828.26,1831.32,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},318,"75587","Este año me parece que es la elección antisistema de la indignación con todo esto que está sucediendo ahí.",1832.04,1838.4,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},319,"75588","El brasileño está cansado de ver al político volverse cada vez más rico, mientras él se vuelve cada vez más pobre.",1838.94,1845.96,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":238,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},320,"75589","¿Será que por eso, entonces, el candidato Renan Santos está por delante suyo?",1846,1849.32,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},321,"75590","El candidato Renan, por lo que yo observo, tiene un discurso para los jóvenes.",1850.3,1854.68,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},322,"75591","Y es algo que tiene un nicho.",1855.22,1856.84,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},323,"75592","Y que, en mi opinión, también tiene un techo bajo.",1857.36,1860,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},324,"75593","Es ese nicho y va a ser eso.",1860.24,1862.34,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":238,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},325,"75594","Usted ya habló aquí en la entrevista, al principio, sobre el escándalo del Banco Master.",1863.26,1868.32,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":238,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},326,"75595","En mayo, cuando los audios de Flávio Bolsonaro con Daniel Vorcaro salieron a la luz, usted dijo lo siguiente, abro comillas, \"es imperdonable, una bofetada en la cara de los brasileños de bien\", cierro comillas.",1868.4,1879.66,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":238,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},327,"75596","Entonces usted fue criticado por... miembros de su partido, y empezó a decir lo siguiente, 'que era la página pasada'.",1880.18,1889.82,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":238,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},328,"75597","¿Fue usted presionado por el partido para cambiar?",1890.58,1892.76,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":2317,"topic_label":2318,"target_id":2319,"target_proposition":2320,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2321,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},329,"75598","Sadi, todo lo que dije, lo confirmo, no cambio nada de lo que dije.",1894.14,1902.04,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Gobernanza y corrupción","ca4ce2dc-d770-467e-917d-9a25b7d682e6","criticar la aproximación de políticos con banqueros investigados","confirma críticas previas al acercamiento con Daniel Vorcaro; mantiene la postura.",{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},330,"75599","Fue un momento de mucha indignación para mí.",1902.86,1905.82,{"idx":2329,"utterance_id":2330,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2331,"start_s":2332,"end_s":2333,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},331,"75600","El partido Novo, que es mi partido, hizo una alianza con el PL en los estados del Sur.",1906.32,1912.52,{"idx":2335,"utterance_id":2336,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2337,"start_s":2338,"end_s":2339,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},332,"75601","Y se nos dijo que no había nada referente a Banco Master.",1913.22,1917.9,{"idx":2341,"utterance_id":2342,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2343,"start_s":2344,"end_s":2345,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},333,"75602","Entonces me expresé de esa manera, lo confirmo, y en un partido, aunque sea un partido pequeño, tenemos cientos de candidatos.",1917.94,1928.28,{"idx":2347,"utterance_id":2348,"speaker_name":238,"text":2349,"start_s":2350,"end_s":2351,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},334,"75603","No, pero hubo un cambio de tono de usted, ¿no?",1928.38,1930.46,{"idx":2353,"utterance_id":2354,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2355,"start_s":2356,"end_s":2357,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},335,"75604","Y hubo algunos que consideraron que valía más la pena caminar con él que conmigo.",1931.28,1937.92,{"idx":2359,"utterance_id":2360,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2361,"start_s":2362,"end_s":2363,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},336,"75605","Y di total libertad.",1938.32,1940.44,{"idx":2365,"utterance_id":2366,"speaker_name":238,"text":2367,"start_s":2368,"end_s":2369,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},337,"75606","Pero, ¿qué es la 'página pasada'?",1940.48,1941.98,{"idx":2371,"utterance_id":2372,"speaker_name":238,"text":2373,"start_s":2374,"end_s":2375,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},338,"75607","¿Qué cambió allí?",1942.72,1943.34,{"idx":2377,"utterance_id":2378,"speaker_name":238,"text":2379,"start_s":2380,"end_s":2381,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},339,"75608","No voy a estar repitiendo.",1943.4,1944.48,{"idx":2383,"utterance_id":2384,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2385,"start_s":2386,"end_s":2387,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":1820,"topic_label":1821,"target_id":2388,"target_proposition":2389,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2390,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},340,"75609","Vamos a esperar las investigaciones, que él se explique, etc.",1945.06,1949.34,"af8f5160-2eec-456e-890e-10d16c127efd","aguardar investigaciones y escuchar explicaciones antes de decidir el apoyo","propone esperar las investigaciones y explicaciones como procedimiento.",{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":238,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},341,"75610","¿Perdió usted apoyo dentro del partido a causa de esa postura más enfática?",1950.06,1954.34,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},342,"75611","Tengo diputados, candidatos de otros partidos que me apoyan.",1954.46,1959.64,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},343,"75612","Y hay gente del Novo que lo apoya.",1959.84,1961.98,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},344,"75613","Y para mí eso es natural en la política.",1962.6,1964.26,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":238,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},345,"75614","¿Pero por causa del caso Master?",1964.3,1965.58,{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":238,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},346,"75615","¿Hubo pérdida de apoyo?",1966.1,1967.06,{"idx":2428,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},347,"75616","Eso ya ocurría antes en el partido.",1967.32,1970.04,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},348,"75617","Algunos diputados que vinieron dijeron, 'nosotros estamos aquí con el PL'.",1970.26,1975.24,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},349,"75618","Incluso hubo gente que vino del PL, que pensó que en el Novo sería más viable.",1975.68,1979.78,{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2448,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},350,"75619","Entonces entiendo eso perfectamente.",1980.04,1981.66,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},351,"75620","Y esas divergencias son muy comunes, hasta dentro de casa, qué decir dentro de un partido político.",1982.02,1987.96,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":238,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":497,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},352,"75621","Ahora, señor, usted ya ha declarado que, en un eventual segundo turno, si es Flávio Bolsonaro contra el presidente Lula, usted ya manifestó apoyo a Flávio Bolsonaro, pero usted también critica —y mucho— a quien se acerca al banquero Daniel Vorcar.",1988.14,2001.72,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":238,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},353,"75622","¿No hay una contradicción ahí en ese apoyo que usted declaró?",2001.8,2004.68,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},354,"75623","De ninguna manera, Sadi.",2005.2,2008.1,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},355,"75624","Primero, el banquero bandido —usted ya debe haber escuchado eso de mí— nació, creció, se educó, se casó, tuvo hijos, reside en Belo Horizonte.",2009.2,2021.52,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2483,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75625","La misma ciudad a la que me mudé hace ocho años.",2022.42,2025.98,{"idx":2487,"utterance_id":2488,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2489,"start_s":2490,"end_s":2491,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},357,"75626","Nunca estuve con él.",2026.26,2028.2,{"idx":2493,"utterance_id":2494,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2495,"start_s":2496,"end_s":2497,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},358,"75627","Y fue recibido con alfombra roja en diversas capitales de Brasil, en Salvador, en Brasília, por varios políticos.",2028.96,2038.4,{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},359,"75628","Y haciendo todo eso con políticos de izquierda —hay muchos que incluso se emplearon y sacaron provecho— y también con la derecha.",2039.8,2047.48,{"idx":2505,"utterance_id":2506,"speaker_name":238,"text":2507,"start_s":2508,"end_s":2509,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},360,"75629","Pero solo quería citar la frase del señor sobre Daniel Vorcaro, porque la pregunta es sobre el apoyo y la relación con Flávio Bolsonaro.",2047.52,2055.48,{"idx":2511,"utterance_id":2512,"speaker_name":238,"text":2513,"start_s":2514,"end_s":2515,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},361,"75630","Usted dijo así el 3 de julio de 2026.",2055.86,2058.4,{"idx":2517,"utterance_id":2518,"speaker_name":238,"text":2519,"start_s":2520,"end_s":2521,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},362,"75631","Entonces, yo critico a quien se acerca a ese banquero, porque es un hombre malvado.",2058.74,2062.12,{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":238,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},363,"75632","¿Está de acuerdo?",2062.22,2063.02,{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":238,"text":2531,"start_s":2532,"end_s":2533,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},364,"75633","Quien se le acerca, para mí, ha perdido toda credibilidad.",2063.08,2065.1,{"idx":2535,"utterance_id":2536,"speaker_name":238,"text":2537,"start_s":2538,"end_s":2539,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},365,"75634","Entonces, así, ¿eso es lo que usted piensa de... Vorcar? Mi pregunta es sobre el apoyo que usted dará a Flávio Bolsonaro si él llega al segundo turno.",2065.9,2073.48,{"idx":2541,"utterance_id":2542,"speaker_name":238,"text":2543,"start_s":2544,"end_s":2545,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},366,"75635","Solo para quedarnos en la contradicción.",2074.32,2075.64,{"idx":2547,"utterance_id":2548,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2549,"start_s":2550,"end_s":2551,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},367,"75636","Correcto.",2076.16,2076.66,{"idx":2553,"utterance_id":2554,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2555,"start_s":2556,"end_s":2557,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":2558,"topic_label":87,"target_id":2559,"target_proposition":2560,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2561,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},368,"75637","Alguien que se acercó a él, creo que no merece aplausos.",2077.52,2081.4,"filiacao-partidaria","8120bf8f-1708-4523-918e-88ac3ce1ecd9","no apoyar a políticos que se acercaron a Daniel Vorcaro","declara que no se debe aplaudir a quien se acercó al banquero investigado.",{"idx":2563,"utterance_id":2564,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2565,"start_s":2566,"end_s":2567,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},369,"75638","Que se acercó al mayor banquero bandido de la historia de Brasil.",2081.94,2085.88,{"idx":2569,"utterance_id":2570,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2571,"start_s":2572,"end_s":2573,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},370,"75639","Imposible estar aplaudiendo.",2086.42,2088.66,{"idx":2575,"utterance_id":2576,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2577,"start_s":2578,"end_s":2579,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},371,"75640","Ahora, en el segundo turno, primero, yo estaré allí.",2089.72,2093.28,{"idx":2581,"utterance_id":2582,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2583,"start_s":2584,"end_s":2585,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},372,"75641","Estoy muy confiado.",2094.72,2095.94,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":2588,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2589,"start_s":2590,"end_s":2591,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},373,"75642","Y en el segundo turno, la derecha no votará por el PT.",2097.06,2100.48,{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":376,"topic_slug":2598,"topic_label":2599,"target_id":2600,"target_proposition":2601,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":2602,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},374,"75643","Prefiero votar aquí en este vaso antes que votar por el PT, que destruyó mi Estado y está destruyendo Brasil.",2101.44,2109.24,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Elecciones presidenciales","226c53cc-784b-46f6-995e-fe051ae6cb0b","votar contra el PT en la segunda vuelta","afirma preferencia por votar por una alternativa al PT, criticando su gobierno.",{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":238,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":474,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2609,"target_proposition":2610,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":2611,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},375,"75644","Siguiendo con las relaciones con el apellido Vorcaro, ¿cómo explica la donación que Henrique Vorcaro, Henrique Moura Vorcaro, que es el padre de Daniel Vorcaro, hizo a su partido en Minas?",2112,2127.42,"cdbb89ab-2440-464a-b648-966c5da21fc2","garantizar transparencia en la financiación de campañas","pregunta periodística sobre una donación hecha al partido por un miembro de la familia Vorcaro.",{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2615,"start_s":2616,"end_s":2617,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2618,"target_proposition":2619,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2620,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},376,"75645","Nunca recibí donación de nadie del Banco Master de la familia Vorkaro.",2131.06,2137.74,"aa33aa92-3434-4cff-bb1c-17ba708cdfe5","recibir donaciones de la familia Vorcaro para mi campaña","niega haber recibido donaciones personales de la familia vinculada al Banco Master.",{"idx":2622,"utterance_id":2623,"speaker_name":238,"text":2624,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},377,"75646","¿Pero su partido la recibió?",2137.78,2139.58,{"idx":2628,"utterance_id":2629,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2630,"start_s":2631,"end_s":2632,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2633,"target_proposition":2634,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":2635,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},378,"75647","Él puede haber donado al partido, no a mí.",2140.26,2142.86,"562e34cb-1260-4a2d-bc4c-9c5cd902cdf3","donar al partido, no a candidatos específicos","afirma que la donación pudo haberse hecho al partido, no a él personalmente.",{"idx":2637,"utterance_id":2638,"speaker_name":238,"text":2639,"start_s":2640,"end_s":2641,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},379,"75648","Pero el dinero no tiene sello.",2143.3,2144.44,{"idx":2643,"utterance_id":2644,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2645,"start_s":2646,"end_s":2647,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2618,"target_proposition":2619,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2648,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},380,"75649","Sí, pero no llegó nada, absolutamente nada para mí.",2145,2149.18,"reafirma que nada de la familia Vorcaro le llegó a él personalmente.",{"idx":2650,"utterance_id":2651,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2652,"start_s":2653,"end_s":2654,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},381,"75650","En segundo lugar, eso fue en 2022.",2149.46,2151.16,{"idx":2656,"utterance_id":2657,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2658,"start_s":2659,"end_s":2660,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},382,"75651","En 2022 no había ningún indicio.",2153.44,2158.34,{"idx":2662,"utterance_id":2663,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2664,"start_s":2665,"end_s":2666,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},383,"75652","de que esa persona estuviera cometiendo delitos.",2159,2162.1,{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2670,"start_s":2671,"end_s":2672,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},384,"75653","Otro punto, el partido en esa elección recibió donaciones de miles de personas.",2163.74,2169.36,{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2679,"target_proposition":2680,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2681,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},385,"75654","Y otro punto, el Partido Novo nunca hizo, independientemente del monto, ningún compromiso de facilitar algo a alguien en caso de recibir alguna contribución.",2170.76,2183.66,"d07f06ae-6eb0-494a-8a32-83ca6e90649d","no ofrecer contrapartidas o facilidades a cambio de donaciones partidarias","afirma que el partido nunca asumió el compromiso de facilitar algo a cambio de donaciones.",{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":238,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},386,"75655","Pero lo que llegamos a conocer, candidato, es que... Ese grupo no hace nada gratis.",2183.8,2190.08,{"idx":2689,"utterance_id":2690,"speaker_name":238,"text":2691,"start_s":2692,"end_s":2693,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},387,"75656","No regalan dinero.",2190.78,2192.26,{"idx":2695,"utterance_id":2696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2697,"start_s":2698,"end_s":2699,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},388,"75657","Así que fue la primera vez que lo hicieron; a ver si el Partido Novo hizo algo por ellos.",2192.34,2197.78,{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},389,"75658","Estoy seguro de que nada.",2197.84,2199.56,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":2712,"target_proposition":2713,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":2714,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},390,"75659","Lo que recibimos es —estamos aquí para hacer buena política, para combatir la corrupción.",2200.02,2206.46,"0913458c-83f6-4707-8c9e-4bb90765a6e0","combatir la corrupción en el gobierno federal","declara misión del partido y personal: 'fazer boa política, combater a corrupção'.",{"idx":2716,"utterance_id":2717,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2718,"start_s":2719,"end_s":2720,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},391,"75660","Incluso creo que debe haber donado al partido equivocado, por error entonces.",2207.12,2210.5,{"idx":2722,"utterance_id":2723,"speaker_name":238,"text":2724,"start_s":2725,"end_s":2726,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},392,"75661","¿Aconsejó usted al partido que devolviera ese dinero?",2211,2213.72,{"idx":2728,"utterance_id":2729,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2730,"start_s":2731,"end_s":2732,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},393,"75662","Eso se planteó recientemente.",2214.68,2216.66,{"idx":2734,"utterance_id":2735,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2736,"start_s":2737,"end_s":2738,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},394,"75663","Fue en 2022 y se planteó solo cuando salió a la luz el escándalo del Master.",2217.48,2223.12,{"idx":2740,"utterance_id":2741,"speaker_name":238,"text":2742,"start_s":2743,"end_s":2744,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},395,"75664","Pero todavía hay tiempo, ¿no?",2223.16,2224.18,{"idx":2746,"utterance_id":2747,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2748,"start_s":2749,"end_s":2750,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2751,"target_proposition":2752,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":2753,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},396,"75665","El dinero ya había sido consumido, con seguridad, allá en campañas de diputados estatales y federales, pero es algo que voy a llevar.",2224.7,2233.22,"09432c38-9711-45b2-87c3-41f1f6ed1a1e","investigar y tomar medidas sobre donaciones partidarias sospechosas","dice que el monto fue usado en las campañas y que llevará el caso adelante.",{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2760,"target_proposition":2761,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":2762,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},397,"75666","No sé si es posible legalmente hacer esa devolución.",2234.12,2238.04,"9587d85c-301f-43ff-8d4f-b035f934ac25","devolver donaciones partidarias sospechosas","reconoce dudas sobre la posibilidad legal de devolución.",{"idx":2764,"utterance_id":2765,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2766,"start_s":2767,"end_s":2768,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":218,"topic_label":219,"target_id":2769,"target_proposition":2770,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":2771,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},398,"75667","O devolverlo a algún acreedor, ¿no?",2238.9,2240.96,"fe45a3b3-da4c-4758-aef4-492c287ee8a8","restituir donaciones partidarias sospechosas a los acreedores","sugiere devolver fondos a los acreedores en vez de mantenerlos con un donante sospechoso.",{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},399,"75668","Tal vez sea mejor que para el bandido, ¿usted está de acuerdo?",2241.26,2244.08,{"idx":2779,"utterance_id":2780,"speaker_name":238,"text":2781,"start_s":2782,"end_s":2783,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},400,"75669","Déjeme poner un video aquí para que podamos comentar a continuación sobre una entrevista suya.",2244.74,2248.78,{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":238,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},401,"75670","Reprodúzcalo, por favor.",2248.84,2249.52,{"idx":2791,"utterance_id":2792,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2793,"start_s":2794,"end_s":2795,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":2796,"topic_label":2797,"target_id":2798,"target_proposition":2799,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2800,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},402,"75671","Aquí en Brasil parece que la izquierda creó esa noción de que trabajar perjudica al niño.",2250.58,2256.42,"politica-trabalhista","Política laboral","a22ee630-46fd-4bef-a0b0-906439432f98","facilitar el trabajo para jóvenes a partir de 14 años (ampliar acceso al Jovem Aprendiz)","critica la visión que prohíbe el trabajo juvenil y dice que eso debe cambiar.",{"idx":2802,"utterance_id":2803,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2804,"start_s":2805,"end_s":2806,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":2796,"topic_label":2797,"target_id":2798,"target_proposition":2799,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":2807,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},403,"75672","Allá, en Estados Unidos, el niño sale a repartir periódicos, recibe allí no sé cuántos centavos por cada periódico entregado en el tiempo que tiene.",2256.9,2264.98,"cita práctica extranjera (niños repartiendo periódicos) como comparación factual.",{"idx":2809,"utterance_id":2810,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2811,"start_s":2812,"end_s":2813,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},404,"75673","¿Prohibido, no?",2267.4,2268.14,{"idx":2815,"utterance_id":2816,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2817,"start_s":2818,"end_s":2819,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},405,"75674","Está esclavizando a los niños.",2268.2,2269.86,{"idx":2821,"utterance_id":2822,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2823,"start_s":2824,"end_s":2825,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},406,"75675","Entonces, es lamentable.",2269.92,2271.54,{"idx":2827,"utterance_id":2828,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2829,"start_s":2830,"end_s":2831,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":2796,"topic_label":2797,"target_id":2798,"target_proposition":2799,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2832,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},407,"75676","Pero creo que, estoy seguro de que vamos a cambiar eso.",2271.64,2274.76,"afirma certeza de que 'vamos mudar' la concepción actual sobre el trabajo juvenil.",{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":238,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},408,"75677","Usted habló el primero de mayo de este año.",2276.36,2278.8,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":238,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},409,"75678","Le pregunto, señor, si el lugar del niño no es la escuela.",2279.08,2281.62,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":238,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},410,"75679","Es en la escuela.",2282.56,2283.28,{"idx":2852,"utterance_id":2853,"speaker_name":238,"text":2854,"start_s":2855,"end_s":2856,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},411,"75680","Entonces, ¿por qué dijo eso, señor?",2283.38,2284.46,{"idx":2858,"utterance_id":2859,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2860,"start_s":2861,"end_s":2862,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},412,"75681","Lo que dije allí fue un ejemplo mío: que trabajo desde niño.",2285.2,2290.44,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":425,"topic_slug":2869,"topic_label":2870,"target_id":2871,"target_proposition":2872,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2873,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},413,"75682","Y di un ejemplo solo para entender cómo aquí creamos una cultura en la que el joven, recordando que aquí en Brasil tenemos al joven aprendiz.",2291.14,2301.02,"educacao-e-capacitacao-profissional","Educación y capacitación profesional","0783033d-2231-4ddd-8d4a-2fbaa7e71765","ampliar programas de capacitación y promover arreglos productivos locales para generar empleo","señala que el programa de joven aprendiz es restrictivo y aboga por ampliarlo.",{"idx":2875,"utterance_id":2876,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2877,"start_s":2878,"end_s":2879,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},414,"75683","Vengo del sector privado.",2301.1,2303.14,{"idx":2881,"utterance_id":2882,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2883,"start_s":2884,"end_s":2885,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},415,"75684","Una de las cosas más difíciles que existen en Brasil hoy.",2303.92,2308.26,{"idx":2887,"utterance_id":2888,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2889,"start_s":2890,"end_s":2891,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},416,"75685","es que un joven que estudia, cuya familia necesita un ingreso extra, tiene alguna habilidad, consiga un empleo.",2308.82,2318,{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2895,"start_s":2896,"end_s":2897,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},417,"75686","¿Sabe lo que consigue hoy, Sadi?",2318.44,2320.9,{"idx":2899,"utterance_id":2900,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2901,"start_s":2902,"end_s":2903,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":2869,"topic_label":2870,"target_id":2904,"target_proposition":2905,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2906,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},418,"75687","Consigue un trabajo eventual, porque con 14 años la ley lo prohíbe, a menos que sea un joven... Pero ¿sabe por qué pregunto esto?",2321.4,2328.36,"b0c34721-073f-4cc1-9e3a-5a4662e4518a","ampliar el acceso al trabajo formal para jóvenes mediante joven aprendiz","observa que las leyes limitan el empleo juvenil y defiende alternativas legales.",{"idx":2908,"utterance_id":2909,"speaker_name":238,"text":2910,"start_s":2911,"end_s":2912,"word_count":598,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},419,"75688","Porque cuando lo vi, usted sabe muy bien, Brasil tiene un historial de explotación infantil, tenemos la certeza de que usted ha seguido esos datos durante mucho tiempo, y cuando vi esa frase y a continuación vi las otras declaraciones suyas, me pareció que usted moduló el discurso, tuvo eso.",2328.4,2345.84,{"idx":2914,"utterance_id":2915,"speaker_name":238,"text":2916,"start_s":2917,"end_s":2918,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},420,"75689","Porque después introdujo el debate del joven aprendiz aquí, ¿no es así?",2345.96,2349.72,{"idx":2920,"utterance_id":2921,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":618,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},421,"75690",2350.18,2350.32,{"idx":2925,"utterance_id":2926,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2927,"start_s":2928,"end_s":2929,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},422,"75691","¿Qué ocurre allá afuera?",2351.74,2352.98,{"idx":2931,"utterance_id":2932,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2933,"start_s":2934,"end_s":2935,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},423,"75692","Hace alguna actividad, a veces incluso durante las vacaciones.",2353.94,2358.02,{"idx":2937,"utterance_id":2938,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2939,"start_s":2940,"end_s":2941,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},424,"75693","Ahora aquí parece que hemos creado una cultura en la que, me parece, el niño no puede ni arreglar la cama en la que está.",2359.14,2367.92,{"idx":2943,"utterance_id":2944,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2945,"start_s":2946,"end_s":2947,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},425,"75694","haciendo algo que es desproporcionado para él.",2369.38,2372.1,{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":238,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},426,"75695","Es muy diferente, ¿no, señor Gilberto?",2372.18,2373.76,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},427,"75696","Repartir el periódico, creo que está en la misma situación.",2374,2376.94,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":474,"topic_slug":2869,"topic_label":2870,"target_id":2871,"target_proposition":2872,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2966,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},428,"75697","Lo que quise decir, y quiero completar aquí, es que hoy en Brasil el joven aprendiz está restringido a un grupo muy pequeño, solo en ciudades que tienen el sistema S o alguna escuela homologada.",2377.6,2395.1,"afirma que el programa actual cubre solo una pequeña parte; pide ampliación.",{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},429,"75698","Quizás abarca al 10, 15% de los jóvenes.",2395.66,2399.24,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},430,"75699","Y entonces, ¿qué sucede?",2399.68,2400.9,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},431,"75700","Va a trabajar en la informalidad, no cotiza, no cuenta el tiempo de servicio.",2401.36,2406.72,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},432,"75701","Y lo peor, ¿por quién será seducido?",2407.02,2410.08,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},433,"75702","Por el crimen organizado.",2410.66,2412.64,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},434,"75703","Eso es lo peor.",2413.16,2414.04,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},435,"75704","Parece que vengo del mundo real.",2414.6,2416.78,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},436,"75705","Soy obrero de fábrica.",2418.38,2419.62,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},437,"75706","Como dije, abrí tiendas en 470 ciudades diferentes.",2419.8,2425.22,{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":2796,"topic_label":2797,"target_id":2798,"target_proposition":2799,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3027,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},438,"75707","Sé que a cada momento en las tiendas que creé llega un joven de 14 o 15 años queriendo trabajar y la empresa dice no, la ley no lo permite.",2426.16,2435.64,"dice que muchos jóvenes de 14–15 quieren trabajar pero la ley se lo impide.",{"idx":3029,"utterance_id":3030,"speaker_name":238,"text":3031,"start_s":3032,"end_s":3033,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},439,"75708","No, la ley lo permite.",2435.7,2436.98,{"idx":3035,"utterance_id":3036,"speaker_name":238,"text":3037,"start_s":3038,"end_s":3039,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},440,"75709","Joven aprendiz, 14 años como joven aprendiz.",2437.12,2440.52,{"idx":3041,"utterance_id":3042,"speaker_name":238,"text":3043,"start_s":3044,"end_s":3045,"word_count":447,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},441,"75710","Lo que estoy entendiendo aquí, de lo que usted dijo: cuando hablamos de niño, usted dijo 'es como arreglar la cama, no veo problema en repartir periódicos'.",2440.86,2448.36,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":238,"text":3049,"start_s":3050,"end_s":3051,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3052,"target_proposition":3053,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":3054,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},442,"75711","Entonces quiero entender, usted, si asumiera la presidencia de la República, ¿va a permitir que niños trabajen por debajo de los 14 años de edad?",2448.4,2456.18,"66e8407a-8dd3-49e3-ae83-2d6b31bfeead","permitir el trabajo de menores de 14 años","pregunta si, asumiendo la Presidencia, permitiría el trabajo para menores de 14 años.",{"idx":3056,"utterance_id":3057,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1076,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},443,"75712",2456.32,2457.76,{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},444,"75713","Lo que quise expresar allí, ¿dije 'niños', 'jóvenes', mencioné edad allí?",2459.24,2463.86,{"idx":3067,"utterance_id":3068,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3069,"start_s":3070,"end_s":3071,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},445,"75714","No cité.",2464.08,2464.62,{"idx":3073,"utterance_id":3074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3075,"start_s":3076,"end_s":3077,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},446,"75715","No cité edad.",2465.24,2466.22,{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3084,"target_proposition":3085,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3086,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},447,"75716","Lo que necesitamos dar en Brasil es facilidad para los jóvenes que quieren trabajar sin perjudicar sus estudios.",2466.96,2475.32,"8fb117f2-ba47-4ba0-a1fe-f570097374f7","facilitar la inserción de jóvenes en el mercado laboral sin perjudicar la escolaridad","propone facilitar a los jóvenes que quieran trabajar sin perjudicar la escuela.",{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3084,"target_proposition":3085,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3093,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},448,"75717","Y mi propuesta es la siguiente: una escuela estatal que el joven está cursando...",2475.76,2481.2,"presenta una propuesta vinculada a la frecuencia escolar para permitir el trabajo juvenil.",{"idx":3095,"utterance_id":3096,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3097,"start_s":3098,"end_s":3099,"word_count":441,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3084,"target_proposition":3085,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":3100,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},449,"75718","teniendo buen rendimiento, sin faltar, daría una especie de anuencia para que tenga un empleo de cuatro horas o que trabaje en las vacaciones, que ni siquiera tiene que ser en horario de clase.",2481.58,2495.18,"propone consentimiento escolar para empleos de cuatro horas o trabajo en las vacaciones.",{"idx":3102,"utterance_id":3103,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3104,"start_s":3105,"end_s":3106,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3084,"target_proposition":3085,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3107,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},450,"75719","Lo que quiero es que creemos aquí esa cultura que existe en todo el mundo, de que trabajar también capacita además de la educación.",2495.74,2505.96,"defiende que trabajar cualifica además de la educación, proponiendo una cultura de trabajo juvenil.",{"idx":3109,"utterance_id":3110,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3111,"start_s":3112,"end_s":3113,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3114,"target_proposition":3115,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":3116,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},451,"75720","Educación en primer lugar y luego el trabajo.",2506.3,2509.2,"6c1c54b4-4ec8-431f-a9ea-d3ef3fc6141f","priorizar la educación en el gobierno","afirma 'Educação em primeiro lugar e depois o trabalho', defendiendo la prioridad de la educación.",{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},452,"75721","¿Dije eso... 'Dejen de estudiar y vayan a trabajar'?",2509.74,2513.26,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},453,"75722","No lo dije.",2513.44,2514.06,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3084,"target_proposition":3085,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3135,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},454,"75723","Dije que quiero cambiar ese concepto.",2514.46,2517.48,"declara querer cambiar la idea de que trabajar dificulta la formación.",{"idx":3137,"utterance_id":3138,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3139,"start_s":3140,"end_s":3141,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},455,"75724","Porque aquí en Brasil creamos el concepto de que trabajar estorba.",2517.84,2522.7,{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":195,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3084,"target_proposition":3085,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3148,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},456,"75725","Para mí, trabajar complementa.",2523,2524.82,"afirma que, para él, el trabajo complementa la educación.",{"idx":3150,"utterance_id":3151,"speaker_name":238,"text":3152,"start_s":3153,"end_s":3154,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},457,"75726","Estoy interesada en ese concepto suyo, candidato, sobre el trabajo.",2524.9,2530.12,{"idx":3156,"utterance_id":3157,"speaker_name":238,"text":3158,"start_s":3159,"end_s":3160,"word_count":557,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},458,"75727","Porque no hace mucho, usted dio una declaración, si no me equivoco, fue antes de la campaña de 2022, también sobre el tema... Pero usted llegó a decir en ese momento que en el Vale do Jequitinhonha y en otro municipio, Mucuri, era posible encontrar empleadas domésticas por 300 reales al mes.",2530.66,2554.62,{"idx":3162,"utterance_id":3163,"speaker_name":238,"text":3164,"start_s":3165,"end_s":3166,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},459,"75728","¿Qué quería usted decir con eso?",2555.96,2558.38,{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":238,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},460,"75729","El salario de una empleada doméstica de 300 reales al mes fue visto por el Ministerio Público en esa época como algo que violaba las reglas del juego.",2558.88,2569.82,{"idx":3174,"utterance_id":3175,"speaker_name":238,"text":3176,"start_s":3177,"end_s":3178,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},461,"75730","El trabajo sería trabajo análogo a la esclavitud.",2570.38,2573.28,{"idx":3180,"utterance_id":3181,"speaker_name":238,"text":3182,"start_s":3183,"end_s":3184,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},462,"75731","¿Cuál es su concepto de trabajo teniendo en cuenta el factor infantil?",2573.4,2576.98,{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":238,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},463,"75732","¿Y ese?",2577.22,2577.72,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":441,"topic_slug":3197,"topic_label":3198,"target_id":3199,"target_proposition":3200,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":3201,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},464,"75733","Natuza, si no me equivoco, dije eso durante mi campaña en el 18 y el Vale do Jequitinhonha fue la región hacia la que más llevamos desarrollo en el Estado.",2578.88,2593.2,"desenvolvimento-regional","Desarrollo regional","856e8cb8-7719-4e09-9a06-ca9edfaf79cd","promover el desarrollo económico del Nordeste","afirma haber llevado desarrollo al Valle del Jequitinhonha.",{"idx":3203,"utterance_id":3204,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3205,"start_s":3206,"end_s":3207,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},465,"75734","No sé si usted, Sadi, conoce el término 'viudas de marido vivo'.",2594.38,2599.34,{"idx":3209,"utterance_id":3210,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3211,"start_s":3212,"end_s":3213,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},466,"75735","Allí era la región de las viudas de marido vivo.",2600.62,2604.16,{"idx":3215,"utterance_id":3216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3217,"start_s":3218,"end_s":3219,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},467,"75736","Los maridos se van para São Paulo, para el sur de Minas, a trabajar en otras actividades y quedan mandando un poquito de dinero a esas mujeres que se quedan allí solas con sus hijos.",2604.7,2616.22,{"idx":3221,"utterance_id":3222,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3223,"start_s":3224,"end_s":3225,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":2796,"topic_label":2797,"target_id":3226,"target_proposition":3227,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":3228,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},468,"75737","No estoy de acuerdo con 300 reales al mes, pero era lo que sucedía allí antes de mi gobierno.",2617.96,2624.08,"c93f1e9c-de58-4641-af43-61421c13e23b","garantizar salarios dignos y combatir el trabajo análogo a la esclavitud","critica el salario de R$300 como realidad anterior a su gobierno.",{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},469,"75738","¿Entendió?",2625.64,2626.1,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},470,"75739","Recorría toda esa región.",2626.74,2629.14,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},471,"75740","Y me encontraba con clientes en la tienda que me decían eso.",2629.82,2633.16,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},472,"75741","Ahora, porque vi un hecho, un hecho erróneo, ¿tengo que quedarme callado?",2634.04,2639.54,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":238,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},473,"75742","Era un diagnóstico, era un diagnóstico.",2641.04,2642.48,{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":3197,"topic_label":3198,"target_id":3199,"target_proposition":3200,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":3265,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},474,"75743","Ahora, hoy, lo que sucedió allí en el Vale do Jequitinhonha es el Valle del Litio.",2642.54,2647.4,"afirma que la región se convirtió en polo de litio y cambió su realidad económica.",{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":3197,"topic_label":3198,"target_id":3199,"target_proposition":3200,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3272,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},475,"75744","Llevamos allí diversas empresas que están extrayendo litio, generando miles de empleos.",2648.16,2656.54,"declara haber atraído empresas de extracción de litio y generado empleos.",{"idx":3274,"utterance_id":3275,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3276,"start_s":3277,"end_s":3278,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":3197,"topic_label":3198,"target_id":3199,"target_proposition":3200,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":3279,"rationale":3280,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},476,"75745","Y es la región de Minas que, proporcionalmente, más empleos creó y más nuevos negocios abrió.",2657,2665.28,0.72,"señala que la región creó proporcionalmente más empleos y negocios.",{"idx":3282,"utterance_id":3283,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3284,"start_s":3285,"end_s":3286,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},477,"75746","Hoy puedo decir que es la región que tiene la economía más dinámica del Estado.",2665.8,2670.5,{"idx":3288,"utterance_id":3289,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3290,"start_s":3291,"end_s":3292,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},478,"75747","Entonces, eso cambió la realidad allí.",2671.28,2674.36,{"idx":3294,"utterance_id":3295,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3296,"start_s":3297,"end_s":3298,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},479,"75748","Vaya a Salinas, vaya a Araçuaí, vaya a Itinga, vaya a Pedra Azul, toda esa región allí que usted va a ver.",2674.74,2683.2,{"idx":3300,"utterance_id":3301,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3302,"start_s":3303,"end_s":3304,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},480,"75749","que no tiene nada que ver con lo que era hace ocho años.",2683.24,2687.26,{"idx":3306,"utterance_id":3307,"speaker_name":238,"text":3308,"start_s":3309,"end_s":3310,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},481,"75750","Usted, además, hizo una política de renuncia fiscal para atraer empresas.",2687.44,2692.36,{"idx":3312,"utterance_id":3313,"speaker_name":238,"text":3314,"start_s":3315,"end_s":3316,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},482,"75751","Esa renuncia se cuadruplicó, inclusive, en su gestión.",2693.06,2696.44,{"idx":3318,"utterance_id":3319,"speaker_name":238,"text":3320,"start_s":3321,"end_s":3322,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},483,"75752","Pasó de 5,5 mil millones en 2019 a 22 mil millones de reales en 2025.",2696.88,2702.36,{"idx":3324,"utterance_id":3325,"speaker_name":238,"text":3326,"start_s":3327,"end_s":3328,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3329,"target_proposition":3330,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":3331,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},484,"75753","Y durante años, candidato, usted se resistió a divulgar... la lista de empresas beneficiadas por esas exenciones.",2704.44,2712.02,"53a91cf9-ed9f-4f78-a734-63ea6ed3727b","publicar beneficios fiscales por empresa en internet","cuestiona por qué el gobernador resistió divulgar la lista de beneficiarios.",{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":238,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},485,"75754","Llegó a llamarlo secreto industrial.",2712.4,2714.54,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":238,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":354,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},486,"75755","Cuando esa lista salió, ya con usted fuera del cargo para dedicarse a su campaña, constaba Eletrozema, una empresa de su familia que dejó de pagar 2 millones de reales en impuestos.",2715.32,2726.66,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":238,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},487,"75756","¿Por qué no dio usted transparencia cuando estaba en el cargo?",2727.86,2731.3,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":238,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},488,"75757","¿Fue porque la empresa de su familia estaba en esa lista?",2731.4,2734.66,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1076,"start_s":3359,"end_s":3360,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},489,"75758",2735.86,2736.88,{"idx":3362,"utterance_id":3363,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3364,"start_s":3365,"end_s":3366,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":3367,"target_proposition":3368,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":3369,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},490,"75759","Primero, dejemos esto muy claro, el beneficio es para el sector.",2737.26,2742.26,"3c0cdd40-108b-49fa-ba37-b45bff41eec7","conceder incentivos fiscales para atraer empresas","defiende el incentivo sectorial como forma de atraer inversión y recaudar ingresos.",{"idx":3371,"utterance_id":3372,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3373,"start_s":3374,"end_s":3375,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},491,"75760","La empresa de mi familia tiene comercio electrónico.",2743.44,2746.14,{"idx":3377,"utterance_id":3378,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3379,"start_s":3380,"end_s":3381,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},492,"75761","Cualquier brasileño o incluso extranjero que monte un comercio electrónico en Minas Gerais tendrá ese beneficio.",2746.66,2754.18,{"idx":3383,"utterance_id":3384,"speaker_name":238,"text":3385,"start_s":3386,"end_s":3387,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},493,"75762","¿Pero por qué no hacerlo transparente?",2754.28,2756.4,{"idx":3389,"utterance_id":3390,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3391,"start_s":3392,"end_s":3393,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3329,"target_proposition":3330,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3394,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},494,"75763","No queríamos exponer al estado de Minas porque varios otros estados de Brasil no habían publicado aún.",2757.2,2766.36,"justifica no publicar para evitar desventaja mientras otros estados no divulgan.",{"idx":3396,"utterance_id":3397,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3398,"start_s":3399,"end_s":3400,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},495,"75764","Hay una situación en la que quedaría en desventaja.",2766.82,2770.14,{"idx":3402,"utterance_id":3403,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3404,"start_s":3405,"end_s":3406,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},496,"75765","Es un secreto industrial, sí.",2770.8,2772.38,{"idx":3408,"utterance_id":3409,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3410,"start_s":3411,"end_s":3412,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},497,"75766","Hoy, todos los estados de Brasil saben quién está allí en Minas y qué tipo de incentivo.",2773.24,2778.98,{"idx":3414,"utterance_id":3415,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3416,"start_s":3417,"end_s":3418,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},498,"75767","Otro punto importantísimo: yo no lo creé, el 1º de enero del 19 asumí el Estado.",2779.62,2786.28,{"idx":3420,"utterance_id":3421,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3422,"start_s":3423,"end_s":3424,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},499,"75768","Yo no creé un incentivo.",2786.92,2788.6,{"idx":3426,"utterance_id":3427,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3428,"start_s":3429,"end_s":3430,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},500,"75769","Todos fueron creados anteriormente.",2789.26,2793.2,{"idx":3432,"utterance_id":3433,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3434,"start_s":3435,"end_s":3436,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},501,"75770","incluso ratificados por el CONFAS.",2793.68,2796.2,{"idx":3438,"utterance_id":3439,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3440,"start_s":3441,"end_s":3442,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":3197,"topic_label":3198,"target_id":3199,"target_proposition":3200,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3443,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},502,"75771","Ahora fui en busca de empresas por todo Brasil y por todo el mundo para poder invertir en Minas Gerais.",2797.22,2803.96,"reivindica haber buscado empresas en Brasil y en el mundo para invertir en Minas.",{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},503,"75772","Hablando aquí, en Minas hay incentivos.",2804.04,2805.9,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},504,"75773","Ahora, ¿qué es mejor?",2807.04,2808.08,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":3367,"target_proposition":3368,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":3462,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},505,"75774","Vamos a tomar el caso de Heineken, fabricante de cerveza.",2808.96,2812.38,"usa Heineken como ejemplo justificando un incentivo que genera cierta recaudación.",{"idx":3464,"utterance_id":3465,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3466,"start_s":3467,"end_s":3468,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},506,"75775","Está instalada allí en la ciudad de Passos, en el sur de Minas.",2812.48,2816.06,{"idx":3470,"utterance_id":3471,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3472,"start_s":3473,"end_s":3474,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},507,"75776","Está pagando por año 300 millones, a modo de ejemplo.",2816.8,2820.94,{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},508,"75777","¿Es mejor recaudar 300 en vez de 500 o no recaudar nada?",2821.68,2827.32,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},509,"75778","Entonces ellos solo se quedan diciendo, 'ah, tenía que recaudar 500'.",2828.42,2833.5,{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},510,"75779","Yo dije, no, ya había un incentivo aquí, el Estado está recaudando 300 y ya se está sumando para un Estado que está en dificultades.",2834.34,2841.74,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},511,"75780","Entonces es una interpretación: yo estoy mirando la mitad del vaso lleno, que estamos llenando.",2842.44,2848.52,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},512,"75781","Y hay gente que está mirando la mitad del vaso que queda vacía.",2849,2852.6,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":238,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},513,"75782","Pero lo de la transparencia, todavía no he logrado entender por qué usted no la dio.",2853.34,2861,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":238,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},514,"75783","¿Por qué perjudica?",2862.34,2863.5,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":238,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},515,"75784","¿Cuál es la razón para que la transparencia perjudique?",2863.6,2867,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},516,"75785","Si todos los estados publicaran, yo publicaría con la mejor buena voluntad.",2867.54,2874.2,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},517,"75786","Pero pocos publicaron.",2874.6,2876.44,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},518,"75787","Ahí está la cuestión, Natuza.",2876.58,2878.2,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},519,"75788","Ahí está la cuestión.",2878.7,2879.66,{"idx":3548,"utterance_id":3549,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3550,"start_s":3551,"end_s":3552,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},520,"75789","¿Va usted a dar publicidad a algo que ayuda al Estado a atraer inversiones para que otros tengan acceso?",2880.6,2888.28,{"idx":3554,"utterance_id":3555,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3556,"start_s":3557,"end_s":3558,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},521,"75790","Si todos hubieran utilizado la misma regla del juego, perfecto.",2888.64,2893.3,{"idx":3560,"utterance_id":3561,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3562,"start_s":3563,"end_s":3564,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},522,"75791","Pero no.",2893.86,2894.3,{"idx":3566,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},523,"75792","Algunos tenían cartas allí que no mostraban.",2894.76,2897.24,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},524,"75793","Dije que no.",2897.28,2897.84,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},525,"75794","Mientras los otros no muestren, nosotros no vamos a mostrar.",2897.98,2900.7,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":238,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3329,"target_proposition":3330,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3589,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},526,"75795","Una vez electo, entonces, ¿usted puede... someter una legislación para obligar a todos a mostrar?",2900.78,2906.46,"pregunta si él presentaría legislación para obligar a todos a mostrar a los beneficiarios.",{"idx":3591,"utterance_id":3592,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3593,"start_s":3594,"end_s":3595,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3596,"target_proposition":3597,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":3598,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},527,"75796","Y un detalle importantísimo: cuando asumí, el Estado de Minas tenía en el ranking de transparencia el 22º lugar; en mi gestión pasó al 1º.",2906.8,2919.36,"7d9b6728-9726-4165-adfd-62d34754fa02","divulgar gastos y actos del gobierno de forma pública y transparente","reivindica haber elevado el ranking de transparencia del Estado durante su gestión.",{"idx":3600,"utterance_id":3601,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3602,"start_s":3603,"end_s":3604,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3596,"target_proposition":3597,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3605,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},528,"75797","Soy totalmente favorable a mostrarlo todo, inclusive los gastos del gobernador, los vuelos del gobernador que nunca se mostraban.",2919.68,2930.22,"declara ser totalmente favorable a mostrar todo, incluso gastos y vuelos oficiales.",{"idx":3607,"utterance_id":3608,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3609,"start_s":3610,"end_s":3611,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},529,"75798","En mi gestión, al mes siguiente se informan.",2930.64,2933.8,{"idx":3613,"utterance_id":3614,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3615,"start_s":3616,"end_s":3617,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},530,"75799","¿Qué ocurre allí en Brasilia?",2934.32,2935.84,{"idx":3619,"utterance_id":3620,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3621,"start_s":3622,"end_s":3623,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},531,"75800","¿100 años de secreto?",2935.86,2937.28,{"idx":3625,"utterance_id":3626,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3627,"start_s":3628,"end_s":3629,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},532,"75801","Creo que tenemos que empezar: los buenos ejemplos vienen por el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), por Lula allá en Brasilia, por los ministros que dejan todo cerrado por 100 años.",2938.28,2948.08,{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},533,"75802","¿Nuestros tataranietos tendrán interés?",2948.12,2951.06,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},534,"75803","¿Tendremos interés en las cuentas de Dom Pedro II?",2951.4,2954.6,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1093,"start_s":3645,"end_s":3646,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},535,"75804",2955.44,2955.96,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},536,"75805","Ahora en Minas, como gobernador, todo lo que gasté lo informé totalmente; no hice ningún vuelo sin decirlo.",2957.06,2963.98,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},537,"75806","Fui a tal lugar para hacer eso y gasté tanto.",2964.38,2968,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},538,"75807","Todo mostrado al mes siguiente.",2968.38,2970.24,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},539,"75808","Entonces, es una postura diferente de lo que ocurre en Brasilia.",2970.96,2975,{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":238,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},540,"75809","Candidato, usted tiene un eslogan que es, incluso usted ya lo repitió aquí, 'no roba y no deja robar'.",2975.14,2980.64,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":238,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},541,"75810","Pero quería que usted hablara de la operación Rejeito de la Policía Federal.",2981.38,2984.84,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":238,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},542,"75811","En septiembre del año pasado, descubrió un esquema multimillonario de fraudes en licencias ambientales en su administración allí en Minas Gerais.",2985.22,2994.06,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":238,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},543,"75812","¿Cómo funcionó un esquema de ese tamaño en la administración de su gobierno?",2994.1,2998.76,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},544,"75813","Entonces, Andréia, está allí en Brasilia el Ministerio de Minas y Energía, el ministro Alexandre Silveira.",2999.32,3008.46,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},545,"75814","Y está allí la Agencia Nacional de Minería.",3009.58,3012.66,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":238,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},546,"75815","Sé de ese brazo, pero estoy preguntando por los órganos estatales.",3012.8,3016.42,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},547,"75816","Pero para llegar a los órganos estatales, que es todo un espectáculo...",3017.5,3020.84,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":238,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},548,"75817","Permítame solo citar para nuestro suscriptor, ¿sí?",3020.88,3022.46,{"idx":3726,"utterance_id":3727,"speaker_name":238,"text":3728,"start_s":3729,"end_s":3730,"word_count":331,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},549,"75818","Entonces estoy hablando de la Secretaría de Estado de Medio Ambiente, SEMAD, Instituto Estatal de Patrimonio Histórico y Artístico, la Fundación Estatal del Medio Ambiente, Instituto Estatal de Bosques.",3022.92,3034.02,{"idx":3732,"utterance_id":3733,"speaker_name":238,"text":3734,"start_s":3735,"end_s":3736,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},550,"75819","Entonces, solo para mostrar de lo que estoy hablando, sé que usted va a hablar de la Agencia Nacional de Minería.",3034.08,3038.44,{"idx":3738,"utterance_id":3739,"speaker_name":238,"text":3740,"start_s":3741,"end_s":3742,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},551,"75820","Pero solo para continuar.",3038.96,3039.84,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},552,"75821","Entonces, actúan en todo Brasil.",3040.64,3044.34,{"idx":3750,"utterance_id":3751,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3752,"start_s":3753,"end_s":3754,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},553,"75822","Y me parece que necesitaban cooptar a alguien en Minas Gerais para estar...",3045.2,3050.88,{"idx":3756,"utterance_id":3757,"speaker_name":238,"text":3758,"start_s":3759,"end_s":3760,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},554,"75823","Alguien, ¿no?",3050.96,3051.52,{"idx":3762,"utterance_id":3763,"speaker_name":238,"text":3764,"start_s":3765,"end_s":3766,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},555,"75824","Porque acabo de citar varios organismos.",3051.66,3053,{"idx":3768,"utterance_id":3769,"speaker_name":238,"text":3770,"start_s":3771,"end_s":3772,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},556,"75825","Exactamente, alguien.",3053.12,3054.32,{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":238,"text":3776,"start_s":3777,"end_s":3778,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},557,"75826","¿Y cómo funcionó eso durante su gestión?",3054.52,3056.3,{"idx":3780,"utterance_id":3781,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3782,"start_s":3783,"end_s":3784,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3785,"target_proposition":3786,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3787,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},558,"75827","Solicité investigación de todo, destitución de los involucrados, si fuera posible, procedimiento administrativo disciplinario y...",3056.88,3067.24,"a76d77ef-8251-40cc-abc2-eb6853eda01d","investigar y castigar prácticas de corrupción en la administración pública","reivindica haber solicitado investigaciones, exoneraciones y procesos administrativos.",{"idx":3789,"utterance_id":3790,"speaker_name":238,"text":3791,"start_s":3792,"end_s":3793,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},559,"75828","Después de la operación desencadenada.",3068.16,3070.14,{"idx":3795,"utterance_id":3796,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3797,"start_s":3798,"end_s":3799,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},560,"75829","En cuanto se detectó, ¿entiende?",3070.28,3072.3,{"idx":3801,"utterance_id":3802,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3803,"start_s":3804,"end_s":3805,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},561,"75830","Hay cosas que a veces ocurren bajo tu propia barba y no las ves.",3072.82,3076.66,{"idx":3807,"utterance_id":3808,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3809,"start_s":3810,"end_s":3811,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},562,"75831","Creo que cualquiera aquí...",3077.26,3078.2,{"idx":3813,"utterance_id":3814,"speaker_name":238,"text":3815,"start_s":3816,"end_s":3817,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},563,"75832","¿Fue ese el caso aquí?",3078.24,3078.84,{"idx":3819,"utterance_id":3820,"speaker_name":238,"text":3821,"start_s":3822,"end_s":3823,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},564,"75833","¿Hola?",3079.2,3079.3,{"idx":3825,"utterance_id":3826,"speaker_name":238,"text":3815,"start_s":3827,"end_s":3828,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},565,"75834",3079.46,3080.3,{"idx":3830,"utterance_id":3831,"speaker_name":238,"text":3832,"start_s":3833,"end_s":3834,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},566,"75835","¿Usted no lo vio?",3080.54,3081.02,{"idx":3836,"utterance_id":3837,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3838,"start_s":3839,"end_s":3840,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},567,"75836","Entonces, estamos hablando de un Estado que tiene 300.000 empleados públicos.",3081.66,3086.62,{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},568,"75837","Siempre hay alguien que puede estar haciendo algo mal.",3088.76,3092.22,{"idx":3848,"utterance_id":3849,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3850,"start_s":3851,"end_s":3852,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3785,"target_proposition":3786,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3853,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},569,"75838","Ahora, yo estoy a favor de toda investigación, cueste lo que cueste, para quien sea.",3092.44,3098.06,"se declara favorable a toda investigación, 'custe o que custar'.",{"idx":3855,"utterance_id":3856,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3857,"start_s":3858,"end_s":3859,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},570,"75839","Nunca le pedí a nadie que no investigara esto, que pusiera paños calientes.",3098.62,3103.78,{"idx":3861,"utterance_id":3862,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3863,"start_s":3864,"end_s":3865,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},571,"75840","Me quedé sorprendido y decepcionado.",3104.16,3106.26,{"idx":3867,"utterance_id":3868,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3869,"start_s":3870,"end_s":3871,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},572,"75841","Pero que las investigaciones sigan y que los culpables sean debidamente castigados.",3107,3112.16,{"idx":3873,"utterance_id":3874,"speaker_name":238,"text":3875,"start_s":3876,"end_s":3877,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},573,"75842","Usted dijo, un día después de la operación —lo recuperé aquí— que la controladoria del Estado ya sospechaba irregularidades en la minería.",3113.12,3120.68,{"idx":3879,"utterance_id":3880,"speaker_name":238,"text":3881,"start_s":3882,"end_s":3883,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3884,"target_proposition":3885,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":3886,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},574,"75843","Si el gobierno ya sospechaba, ¿por qué el presidente de la Fundación Estatal del Medio Ambiente, que acabo de citar hace un momento, quedó en el cargo hasta cuatro días antes de la operación de la PF?",3121.22,3129.18,"42731a9c-ce5d-4104-ad75-6faa9184b4e4","investigar y apartar integrantes bajo sospecha de irregularidades","pregunta por qué el presidente de la fundación permaneció en el cargo aun habiendo sospechas.",{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":238,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},575,"75844","¿Por qué no actuó antes?",3129.24,3130.06,{"idx":3894,"utterance_id":3895,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3896,"start_s":3897,"end_s":3898,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},576,"75845","Se estaba llevando adelante una investigación.",3131.12,3134.2,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3884,"target_proposition":3885,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":3905,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},577,"75846","Ahora, mientras la investigación está en curso y no tienes datos concretos, por ley no puedes hacer nada.",3134.52,3142.6,"defiende esperar la investigación y datos concretos antes de actuar, alegando límite legal.",{"idx":3907,"utterance_id":3908,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3909,"start_s":3910,"end_s":3911,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},578,"75847","Y luego vino eso.",3143.22,3144.94,{"idx":3913,"utterance_id":3914,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3915,"start_s":3916,"end_s":3917,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},579,"75848","Pero si no hubiera habido esa investigación, muy probablemente la controladuría general del Estado en unas semanas más habría cogido ese pez.",3145.44,3155.26,{"idx":3919,"utterance_id":3920,"speaker_name":238,"text":3921,"start_s":3922,"end_s":3923,"word_count":683,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":3926,"target_proposition":3927,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3928,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},580,"75849","Candidato, todo esto implica supervisión con problemas y el Estado tiene un historial muy triste con... En relación a Brumadinho, siete años después de Brumadinho, por ejemplo, Minas concentra casi un tercio de las presas de minería del país en situación de alerta y emergencia; por lo tanto, un problema de fiscalización ahí, incluyendo la única presa con riesgo de ruptura inminente, que es en Itatiaio Sul, y aún hay cuatro presas en situación... de emergencia.",3156.84,3196.64,"politica-ambiental","Política ambiental","fb837866-6a88-4ef7-86ab-efb6797e7c73","flexibilizar el licenciamiento ambiental","pregunta si es seguro relajar la fiscalización dado el historial de presas en alerta.",{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":238,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},581,"75850","Dentro del municipio de Brumadinho, usted recurrentemente habla de flexibilizar las licencias y la fiscalización.",3196.82,3205.66,{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":238,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},582,"75851","Ante ese historial, ¿le parece seguro aflojar las reglas de fiscalización?",3206.48,3212.24,{"idx":3942,"utterance_id":3943,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3944,"start_s":3945,"end_s":3946,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":3947,"target_proposition":3948,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3949,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},583,"75852","Lo que hicimos, Natuza, fue exactamente lo contrario.",3214.24,3219.28,"d24e7a75-2795-45ae-aafb-19e8703a6443","reformar la actuación de los organismos de fiscalización ambiental (ICMBio, Funai, Ibama)","afirma que su gestión hizo lo contrario y reforzó criterios y seguridad.",{"idx":3951,"utterance_id":3952,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3953,"start_s":3954,"end_s":3955,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},584,"75853","Cuando ocurrió el rompimiento de la presa de Mariana, en 2015, con el gobernador Fernando Pimentel, él no hizo absolutamente nada.",3220.48,3233.64,{"idx":3957,"utterance_id":3958,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3959,"start_s":3960,"end_s":3961,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},585,"75854","Todo continuó como estaba.",3234.76,3236.8,{"idx":3963,"utterance_id":3964,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3965,"start_s":3966,"end_s":3967,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},586,"75855","Cuando asumí en enero de 2019, en mi primer mes como gobernador, tuvimos el rompimiento de la presa de Brumadinho.",3237.88,3246.8,{"idx":3969,"utterance_id":3970,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3971,"start_s":3972,"end_s":3973,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},587,"75856","Ahí cambiamos todo, absolutamente todo.",3247.34,3251.7,{"idx":3975,"utterance_id":3976,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3977,"start_s":3978,"end_s":3979,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},588,"75857","Hicimos los criterios mucho más seguros; tanto es así que este evento ya cumplió ahora siete, ocho años, y no tuvimos nada en ese período.",3252.44,3264.2,{"idx":3981,"utterance_id":3982,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3983,"start_s":3984,"end_s":3985,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},589,"75858","Y de las 54 presas que ofrecían riesgo al Estado de Minas, 18 ya no existen más, fueron desmanteladas.",3264.26,3276.64,{"idx":3987,"utterance_id":3988,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3989,"start_s":3990,"end_s":3991,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},590,"75859","Las demás, el material está siendo retirado.",3277.16,3279.88,{"idx":3993,"utterance_id":3994,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3995,"start_s":3996,"end_s":3997,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},591,"75860","Como es un material que se acumuló durante 50 años, 80 años en algunas de ellas, el tiempo para sacar, para remover, es un poco largo.",3280.64,3290.9,{"idx":3999,"utterance_id":4000,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4001,"start_s":4002,"end_s":4003,"word_count":331,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},592,"75861","Pero ese proceso hoy está ocurriendo en Minas Gerais y afirmo aquí que cada día que pasa el Estado está más seguro, porque hicimos los cambios.",3291.22,3304.78,{"idx":4005,"utterance_id":4006,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4007,"start_s":4008,"end_s":4009,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},593,"75862","Y otro punto importantísimo.",3304.82,3306.46,{"idx":4011,"utterance_id":4012,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4013,"start_s":4014,"end_s":4015,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":3947,"target_proposition":3948,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4016,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},594,"75863","Fue en mi gobierno que aplicamos la mayor multa ambiental de la historia.",3307.26,3312.66,"reivindica haber aplicado la mayor multa ambiental de la historia durante su gestión.",{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},595,"75864","Cuando ocurrió la tragedia de Mariana con el gobierno PT, no aplicaron nada.",3313.64,3318.18,{"idx":4024,"utterance_id":4025,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4026,"start_s":4027,"end_s":4028,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},596,"75865","Cuando ocurrió la de Brumadinho, aplicamos una multa tan bien aplicada que la de Mariana fue rehecha, al alza.",3318.44,3327.26,{"idx":4030,"utterance_id":4031,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4032,"start_s":4033,"end_s":4034,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},597,"75866","Entonces, eso demuestra cómo pasamos a tratar... a quien no obedece las leyes ambientales.",3327.82,3336.16,{"idx":4036,"utterance_id":4037,"speaker_name":238,"text":4038,"start_s":4039,"end_s":4040,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},598,"75867","Pero ¿por qué usted defiende aflojar?",3336.28,3338.38,{"idx":4042,"utterance_id":4043,"speaker_name":238,"text":4044,"start_s":4045,"end_s":4046,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},599,"75868","Porque usted ya dijo eso varias veces.",3338.42,3340.02,{"idx":4048,"utterance_id":4049,"speaker_name":238,"text":4050,"start_s":4051,"end_s":4052,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},600,"75869","Y si la fiscalización hubiera estado funcionando, el esquema multimillonario de la operación 'rejeito' no habría ocurrido.",3340.2,3348.38,{"idx":4054,"utterance_id":4055,"speaker_name":238,"text":4056,"start_s":4057,"end_s":4058,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},601,"75870","Y estaba ocurriendo.",3348.42,3349.66,{"idx":4060,"utterance_id":4061,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4062,"start_s":4063,"end_s":4064,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},602,"75871","Natuza, yo nunca hablé de aflojar.",3350.94,3353.66,{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":4071,"target_proposition":4072,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4073,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},603,"75872","Ya hablé de utilizar criterios técnicos.",3354.06,3358.12,"40361bcb-2672-40d7-902e-dd0c98991783","adoptar criterios técnicos en el licenciamiento ambiental","niega hablar de relajar y defiende usar criterios técnicos.",{"idx":4075,"utterance_id":4076,"speaker_name":238,"text":4077,"start_s":4078,"end_s":4079,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},604,"75873","¿Flexibilizar... se puede decir que aflojar es sinónimo?",3358.16,3362.76,{"idx":4081,"utterance_id":4082,"speaker_name":238,"text":1889,"start_s":4083,"end_s":4084,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},605,"75874",3363.02,3363.26,{"idx":4086,"utterance_id":4087,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4088,"start_s":4089,"end_s":4090,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},606,"75875","Hoy lo que aún tenemos en Minas y que se está perfeccionando son criterios extremadamente subjetivos.",3364.2,3373.4,{"idx":4092,"utterance_id":4093,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4094,"start_s":4095,"end_s":4096,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},607,"75876","Te puedo decir lo siguiente, hasta sería bueno para un periodista algún día hacer un estudio sobre este caso.",3374.4,3381.44,{"idx":4098,"utterance_id":4099,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4100,"start_s":4101,"end_s":4102,"word_count":15,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},608,"75877","La regulación está tan llena de subjetividad... que quienes terminan teniendo condiciones de entenderla y llevar adelante un proyecto son solo las consultorías que muchas veces cobran millones de reales por ello.",3383.04,3399.46,{"idx":4104,"utterance_id":4105,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4106,"start_s":4107,"end_s":4108,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":4109,"target_proposition":4110,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4111,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},609,"75878","Lo que quiero es que la empresa, quien solicite un proyecto de análisis ambiental, pueda rellenarlo en la computadora y solicitarlo al Estado.",3400.56,3412.88,"5289fc17-bcc7-4372-9804-72663f7d125b","agilizar licencias ambientales para acelerar concesiones","propone que las empresas completen solicitudes por computadora para reducir la subjetividad.",{"idx":4113,"utterance_id":4114,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4115,"start_s":4116,"end_s":4117,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},610,"75879","Lo que existe hoy son consultorías especializadas, muchas veces personas que ya trabajaron en la Secretaría del Medio Ambiente, que tienen acceso a otras personas dentro.",3413.4,3425.8,{"idx":4119,"utterance_id":4120,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4121,"start_s":4122,"end_s":4123,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},611,"75880","En mi gobierno avanzamos mucho y el avance continúa.",3426.54,3430.26,{"idx":4125,"utterance_id":4126,"speaker_name":238,"text":4127,"start_s":4128,"end_s":4129,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},612,"75881","Pero si usted es elegido presidente, ¿qué va a cambiar?",3430.42,3434.3,{"idx":4131,"utterance_id":4132,"speaker_name":238,"text":4133,"start_s":4134,"end_s":4135,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},613,"75882","¿Cuál es su propuesta en esta área?",3435.14,3438.74,{"idx":4137,"utterance_id":4138,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4139,"start_s":4140,"end_s":4141,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":4142,"target_proposition":4143,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4144,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},614,"75883","Soy defensor de la preservación ambiental, pero también soy defensor del desarrollo económico y social.",3439.46,3449.8,"d0958e7e-0873-4505-a354-7c152b28653e","promover el desarrollo con responsabilidad ambiental","declara ser defensor tanto de la preservación como del desarrollo social y económico.",{"idx":4146,"utterance_id":4147,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4148,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":43,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},615,"75884","Tenemos un país con gente pasando hambre y a veces una obra se queda parada porque alguien alega que allí hay un caracolito distinto.",3451.38,3463.9,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":3924,"topic_label":3925,"target_id":4157,"target_proposition":4158,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4159,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},616,"75885","Que los retiren, llévenlos a otro lugar, estúdienlos.",3464.7,3469.36,"1b9e5dd8-ae32-4e6c-bcf9-6ca996314465","adoptar medidas de mitigación y reubicación de especies para viabilizar obras de infraestructura","propone remover o reubicar caracoles para permitir obras que beneficien a la población.",{"idx":4161,"utterance_id":4162,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4163,"start_s":4164,"end_s":4165,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},617,"75886","Y que esa obra que beneficiará a millones de personas ocurra, como el Rodoanel en Belo Horizonte.",3469.84,3476.48,{"idx":4167,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},618,"75887","El Rodoanel está ahí esperando desde hace un año el inicio de las obras, porque una comunidad que no lo es, y se dice tradicional, alega que, aunque esté a seis kilómetros de distancia, puede haber algún impacto.",3476.98,3493.26,{"idx":4173,"utterance_id":4174,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4175,"start_s":4176,"end_s":4177,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},619,"75888","Y necesita manifestarse y no se manifiesta.",3493.4,3496.3,{"idx":4179,"utterance_id":4180,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4181,"start_s":4182,"end_s":4183,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},620,"75889","Fui a China varias veces mientras fui gobernador.",3497.58,3500.64,{"idx":4185,"utterance_id":4186,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4187,"start_s":4188,"end_s":4189,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},621,"75890","Lo que más vi allí son obras por todos lados.",3501.04,3504.68,{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},622,"75891","Brasil no avanza porque aquí tenemos una legislación que yo diría que no solo no protege el medio ambiente, sino que es tonta.",3505.14,3513.74,{"idx":4197,"utterance_id":4198,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4199,"start_s":4200,"end_s":4201,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},623,"75892","Tomemos el caso de Belo Monte y Santo Antônio.",3514.24,3516.58,{"idx":4203,"utterance_id":4204,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4205,"start_s":4206,"end_s":4207,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},624,"75893","Hidroeléctricas a filo de agua.",3517.36,3519.6,{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},625,"75894","Producen entre el 5% y el 10% de lo que podrían producir.",3520,3523.48,{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},626,"75895","¿Qué está pasando en Brasil ahora?",3523.92,3525.96,{"idx":4221,"utterance_id":4222,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4223,"start_s":4224,"end_s":4225,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},627,"75896","¿Construyendo termoeléctricas?",3526.34,3527.88,{"idx":4227,"utterance_id":4228,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4229,"start_s":4230,"end_s":4231,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},628,"75897","Miren qué bonita preservación ambiental la nuestra.",3528.82,3531.46,{"idx":4233,"utterance_id":4234,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4235,"start_s":4236,"end_s":4237,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},629,"75898","¿Qué contamina más que quemar combustible fósil que se está quemando?",3533.06,3538.48,{"idx":4239,"utterance_id":4240,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4241,"start_s":4242,"end_s":4243,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},630,"75899","Porque Belo Monte y Santo Antônio no podían tener embalse.",3539,3542.98,{"idx":4245,"utterance_id":4246,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4247,"start_s":4248,"end_s":4249,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":4250,"topic_label":4251,"target_id":4252,"target_proposition":4253,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4254,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},631,"75900","¿Acaso eso es preservar el ambiente?",3543.06,3544.98,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Política industrial y energética","0ee29905-a4e5-4bef-ac36-bbb29ceb6a63","construir grandes hidroeléctricas con grandes embalses","cuestiona las restricciones que impidieron reservorios y defiende una mayor generación hidroeléctrica.",{"idx":4256,"utterance_id":4257,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4258,"start_s":4259,"end_s":4260,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},632,"75901","Fueron las propuestas de los eco-chiítas en el pasado.",3545.34,3548.86,{"idx":4262,"utterance_id":4263,"speaker_name":238,"text":4264,"start_s":4265,"end_s":4266,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},633,"75902","Candidato, usted... habla bastante de las enmiendas parlamentarias, ¿no?",3550.66,3556.14,{"idx":4268,"utterance_id":4269,"speaker_name":238,"text":4270,"start_s":4271,"end_s":4272,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},634,"75903","Vivimos un momento de varios sumarios que se tramitan en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) debido a las enmiendas parlamentarias federales poco transparentes.",3556.18,3568.78,{"idx":4274,"utterance_id":4275,"speaker_name":238,"text":4276,"start_s":4277,"end_s":4278,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},635,"75904","Usted ya sabe hacer ese diagnóstico.",3568.98,3571.58,{"idx":4280,"utterance_id":4281,"speaker_name":238,"text":4282,"start_s":4283,"end_s":4284,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},636,"75905","Incluso llegó a decir que hay... facilidad de desvío de esas enmiendas por medio de ONG.",3572.14,3578.66,{"idx":4286,"utterance_id":4287,"speaker_name":238,"text":4288,"start_s":4289,"end_s":4290,"word_count":533,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},637,"75906","Solo que cuando miramos las enmiendas estatales, las enmiendas liberadas vía la Asamblea Legislativa de Minas, se identifica —y nuestro trabajo hizo ese relevamiento— que Minas fue el estado que llegó a prever más recursos en enmiendas, 2,4 mil millones de reales en 2026.",3579.04,3595.7,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4292,"speaker_name":238,"text":4293,"start_s":4294,"end_s":4295,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75907","Y hay también, incluso, un crecimiento en las llamadas enmiendas PIX. ¿No es una contradicción, en ese caso, usted decir que va a hacer eso en Brasilia, pero que allá en su estado eso también estaba ocurriendo?",3597.94,3611.74,{"idx":4297,"utterance_id":4298,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4299,"start_s":4300,"end_s":4301,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4302,"target_proposition":4303,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4304,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},639,"75908","Natuza, como dije hace un momento, buena parte, quizá ningún otro estado de Brasil, las enmiendas parlamentarias impositivas de los diputados estatales están siendo tan aplicadas en proyectos estructurantes como en Minas Gerais.",3614.18,3635.2,"ad0cf0aa-e8a8-49fa-a112-e9517bf0eb0c","aplicar enmiendas parlamentarias en proyectos estructurantes","defiende que las enmiendas impositivas se aplicaron en proyectos estructurantes en el estado.",{"idx":4306,"utterance_id":4307,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4308,"start_s":4309,"end_s":4310,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},640,"75909","También porque creamos ese catálogo que mencioné hace un momento, y además dijimos: si lo aplicas en esas obras que son estructurantes, por cada R$ 1,00 que usted ponga, nosotros pondremos R$ 2,00.",3636.1,3651.1,{"idx":4312,"utterance_id":4313,"speaker_name":238,"text":4314,"start_s":4315,"end_s":4316,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},641,"75910","Solo para no confundir a quien nos mira: las enmiendas impositivas, el gobernante, sea presidente o gobernador, tiene que aplicarlas.",3651.16,3661.94,{"idx":4318,"utterance_id":4319,"speaker_name":238,"text":4320,"start_s":4321,"end_s":4322,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},642,"75911","Y existen las enmiendas libres, digamos.",3662.66,3665.54,{"idx":4324,"utterance_id":4325,"speaker_name":238,"text":4326,"start_s":4327,"end_s":4328,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},643,"75912","Esas enmiendas libres son las enmiendas que no son transparentes.",3666.02,3669.28,{"idx":4330,"utterance_id":4331,"speaker_name":238,"text":4332,"start_s":4333,"end_s":4334,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},644,"75913","Las enmiendas PIX están como práctica de la Asamblea del Estado que usted gobernó.",3669.72,3676.6,{"idx":4336,"utterance_id":4337,"speaker_name":238,"text":4338,"start_s":4339,"end_s":4340,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},645,"75914","Quisiera entender esas enmiendas.",3676.66,3678.86,{"idx":4342,"utterance_id":4343,"speaker_name":238,"text":4344,"start_s":4345,"end_s":4346,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},646,"75915","Esas enmiendas que al poder público le resulta tan difícil rastrear e identificar la irregularidad.",3679.26,3684.34,{"idx":4348,"utterance_id":4349,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4350,"start_s":4351,"end_s":4352,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4353,"target_proposition":4354,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4355,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},647,"75916","Natuza, como dijiste ahí, ya dije que soy totalmente contrario.",3685.58,3690.74,"3f148271-5d11-4cb5-b5ad-3f6436543320","aumentar la fiscalización de las enmiendas parlamentarias","se declara totalmente contrario a la aplicación no demostrada adecuadamente de esos recursos.",{"idx":4357,"utterance_id":4358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4359,"start_s":4360,"end_s":4361,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},648,"75917","a la aplicación no bien demostrada, no bien auditada de esos recursos.",3691.22,3698.42,{"idx":4363,"utterance_id":4364,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4365,"start_s":4366,"end_s":4367,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},649,"75918","Ahora tenemos esta cuestión que surgió en todo Brasil.",3699.66,3704.28,{"idx":4369,"utterance_id":4370,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4371,"start_s":4372,"end_s":4373,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},650,"75919","Estamos hablando de cámaras municipales, de asambleas estatales e incluso del Congreso allá en Brasilia.",3704.86,3710.92,{"idx":4375,"utterance_id":4376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4377,"start_s":4378,"end_s":4379,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},651,"75920","Hoy ya hay una gran discusión y ese dinero necesita aplicarse y fiscalizarse mucho mejor.",3711.8,3719.12,{"idx":4381,"utterance_id":4382,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4383,"start_s":4384,"end_s":4385,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},652,"75921","Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con eso.",3719.38,3721.18,{"idx":4387,"utterance_id":4388,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4389,"start_s":4390,"end_s":4391,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},653,"75922","Y no es un problema solo de Minas Gerais, es un problema de todo Brasil, y necesitamos trabajar para eliminarlo, si es posible.",3721.66,3730.3,{"idx":4393,"utterance_id":4394,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4395,"start_s":4396,"end_s":4397,"word_count":497,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4353,"target_proposition":4354,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":4398,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},654,"75923","El recurso público es escaso, falta dinero para la seguridad pública, para la salud, y hay gente invirtiendo, asfaltando una carretera que nadie utiliza, porque es la suegra del diputado quien tiene una propiedad allí que se va a revalorizar.",3730.66,3746.44,"critica la aplicación irregular de recursos y pide fiscalización para evitar el desperdicio.",{"idx":4400,"utterance_id":4401,"speaker_name":238,"text":4402,"start_s":4403,"end_s":4404,"word_count":497,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4405,"target_proposition":4406,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":3279,"rationale":4407,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},655,"75924","Usted dijo, incluso lo citó también al principio, pero usted dijo en una entrevista el martes que el método para tener mayoría allí en Minas fue ofrecer a los 77 diputados R$ 2,00 por cada R$ 1,00 de enmienda.",3747.08,3760.78,"452ea55a-e5fe-4c52-824a-bf7cad25ef19","ofrecer recursos mediante enmiendas parlamentarias a cambio de apoyo político","relata acusación de intercambio de enmiendas por apoyo, sin proponer una acción propia.",{"idx":4409,"utterance_id":4410,"speaker_name":238,"text":4411,"start_s":4412,"end_s":4413,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":4414,"topic_label":4415,"target_id":4416,"target_proposition":4417,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":4418,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},656,"75925","Le pregunto, ¿cuál es la diferencia entre eso y el presidencialismo de coalición que usted tanto critica?",3761.4,3766.32,"politica-de-poderes-presidencialismo","Política de Poderes \u002F Presidencialismo","f0c45702-5209-454f-8372-c88c85f5a04c","practicar el presidencialismo de coalición","pregunta comparando la práctica citada con el presidencialismo de coalición.",{"idx":4420,"utterance_id":4421,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4422,"start_s":4423,"end_s":4424,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4427,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},657,"75926","Entonces, todos esos proyectos donde ponemos esa regla son para proyectos estructurantes.",3767.4,3777.26,"6bc0dcbc-a3d9-47fd-85b1-23a7d957bbf1","destinar enmiendas parlamentarias a proyectos que mejoren los servicios públicos","defiende una regla para que las enmiendas sean para proyectos estructurantes.",{"idx":4429,"utterance_id":4430,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4431,"start_s":4432,"end_s":4433,"word_count":503,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4434,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},658,"75927","En lugar de que haga un portal en una ciudad, que muchas veces es para que alguna constructora vinculada al parlamentario gane dinero y se lo transfiera al parlamentario, va a usar ese recurso para reformar una escuela, que aporta beneficio a la gente.",3778.36,3794.88,"contrasta proyectos parroquiales con reformar escuelas, defiende el uso para beneficio público.",{"idx":4436,"utterance_id":4437,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4438,"start_s":4439,"end_s":4440,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":4441,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},659,"75928","Y los parlamentarios, Sadi, se adhirieron porque vieron.",3795.84,3799.74,"explica que los parlamentarios se adhirieron al programa al ver el beneficio regional.",{"idx":4443,"utterance_id":4444,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4445,"start_s":4446,"end_s":4447,"word_count":412,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":4448,"rationale":4449,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},660,"75929","que tendrían incluso mucha más visibilidad y aceptación de la gente de sus regiones que estar haciendo esos proyectos que muchas veces son parroquiales.",3800.04,3813.48,0.68,"afirma que las acciones generan más visibilidad y aceptación local.",{"idx":4451,"utterance_id":4452,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4453,"start_s":4454,"end_s":4455,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4456,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},661,"75930","Es para atender allí una situación que no trae mejora del servicio público.",3814.5,3819.34,"contrasta con proyectos que no traen mejoras, defendiendo el financiamiento útil.",{"idx":4458,"utterance_id":4459,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4460,"start_s":4461,"end_s":4462,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4463,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},662,"75931","Y todo lo que propusimos trae mejora en los servicios públicos.",3819.8,3824.5,"afirma que las propuestas presentadas traen mejoras en los servicios públicos.",{"idx":4465,"utterance_id":4466,"speaker_name":238,"text":4467,"start_s":4468,"end_s":4469,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":1820,"topic_label":1821,"target_id":4470,"target_proposition":4471,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4472,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},663,"75932","Usted está haciendo un toma y daca bueno.",3824.8,3828.96,"673f6d4d-a1dd-4170-895c-65bd0b3668e2","garantizar transparencia y fiscalización sobre enmiendas parlamentarias","acusa 'toma lá dá cá', por lo tanto defiende la fiscalización y la transparencia como opuesto.",{"idx":4474,"utterance_id":4475,"speaker_name":238,"text":4476,"start_s":4477,"end_s":4478,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":4479,"topic_label":4480,"target_id":4481,"target_proposition":4482,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":4483,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},664,"75933","Usted está transfiriendo a los parlamentarios aquello que sería, en otro modelo, una atribución suya, de gobernar.",3829,3836.04,"poder-executivo","Poder Ejecutivo","bc7807e3-56ab-41ba-bcbf-9f9852c9e2f5","asumir la ejecución directa de políticas públicas estatales por parte del gobierno","critica la transferencia de atribuciones del gobernador a los parlamentarios.",{"idx":4485,"utterance_id":4486,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4487,"start_s":4488,"end_s":4489,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":4490,"topic_label":4491,"target_id":4492,"target_proposition":4493,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":4494,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},665,"75934","Yo estoy en contra del toma y daca.",3836.62,3839.24,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Casa Civil \u002F Articulación Política","08b6e787-d479-4afd-b6b1-3f9cf88a8e76","realizar intercambio de favores (toma y daca) para obtener apoyo político","declara explícitamente 'Eu sou contrário ao toma lá, dá cá'.",{"idx":4496,"utterance_id":4497,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4498,"start_s":4499,"end_s":4500,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":4490,"topic_label":4491,"target_id":4492,"target_proposition":4493,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4501,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},666,"75935","No hice el toma y daca.",3839.78,3841.46,"niega haber practicado 'toma lá, dá cá' como defensa de su propio comportamiento.",{"idx":4503,"utterance_id":4504,"speaker_name":238,"text":4505,"start_s":4506,"end_s":4507,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},667,"75936","Pero eso es, ¿candidato?",3841.5,3843.58,{"idx":4509,"utterance_id":4510,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1889,"start_s":4511,"end_s":4512,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},668,"75937",3844.48,3844.7,{"idx":4514,"utterance_id":4515,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4516,"start_s":4517,"end_s":4518,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},669,"75938","Yo no dije.",3846.58,3847.18,{"idx":4520,"utterance_id":4521,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4522,"start_s":4523,"end_s":4524,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4525,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},670,"75939","Quien se adhirió lo hizo por libre y espontánea voluntad, porque vio que su región sería beneficiada.",3848.14,3856.3,"afirma que los parlamentarios se adhirieron libremente al ver el beneficio regional.",{"idx":4527,"utterance_id":4528,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4529,"start_s":4530,"end_s":4531,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":2317,"topic_label":2318,"target_id":4532,"target_proposition":4533,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4534,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},671,"75940","Y además asumí un compromiso, cabe recordar, de estar con él en la ciudad o en su región, anunciando las obras o realizando las entregas.",3857.68,3868,"e4908c45-e210-404b-80fb-76a10773f169","acompañar y anunciar obras públicas junto a los parlamentarios","asume el compromiso de estar presente en las entregas de obras.",{"idx":4536,"utterance_id":4537,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4538,"start_s":4539,"end_s":4540,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4541,"target_proposition":4542,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":4543,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},672,"75941","Tanto es así que fui el gobernador que más estuvo en ciudades, más de 430.",3868.48,3872.42,"0deee75a-2fef-4195-b460-b320b6ebd414","supervisar y acompañar la ejecución de obras públicas por parte del gobierno","afirma que, como gobernador, visitó muchas ciudades y supervisó obras.",{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},673,"75942","Eso, para mí, es la buena política: hablar.",3873.48,3876.54,{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4556,"target_proposition":4557,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1797,"rationale":4558,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},674,"75943","El parlamentario, camine junto a mí que vamos a utilizar los recursos públicos de la mejor manera posible.",3877.26,3886.1,"930ea764-b7a3-4684-9d7b-ef04ffcb2ea5","articular con parlamentarios para usar recursos públicos eficientemente","convoca a los parlamentarios a caminar juntos para utilizar mejor los recursos.",{"idx":4560,"utterance_id":4561,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4562,"start_s":4563,"end_s":4564,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},675,"75944","Yo tendría que reformar esa escuela y él me ayudó a reformarla.",3886.52,3892.14,{"idx":4566,"utterance_id":4567,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4568,"start_s":4569,"end_s":4570,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},676,"75945","Eso para mí es totalmente republicano.",3892.64,3894.54,{"idx":4572,"utterance_id":4573,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4574,"start_s":4575,"end_s":4576,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4577,"target_proposition":4578,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4579,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},677,"75946","Ahora, yo estoy en contra de ese nivel de enmiendas parlamentarias que tenemos hoy, de la deficiencia de supervisión, como acabo de decir.",3894.92,3904.12,"02a2fa94-49c8-4fe3-aa3d-7d04bfea732b","reducir el volumen de enmiendas parlamentarias y aumentar la fiscalización","se declara contrario al nivel actual de enmiendas y a la deficiencia de fiscalización.",{"idx":226,"utterance_id":4581,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":4582,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":229,"topic_label":230,"target_id":4583,"target_proposition":231,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4584,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"75947",3909.56,"810478c8-5985-42fc-ae7e-099c95b61ef3","niega haber prometido votos a cambio de dinero, rechazando la compra de apoyo.",{"idx":4586,"utterance_id":4587,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4588,"start_s":4589,"end_s":4590,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},679,"75948","En ningún momento, eso no ocurrió.",3909.8,3911.7,{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":201,"topic_label":202,"target_id":4425,"target_proposition":4426,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4597,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},680,"75949","Si aplican proyectos importantes para la mejora del servicio público, estamos juntos.",3912.34,3918.54,"apoya la implementación de proyectos importantes para la mejora del servicio público.",{"idx":4599,"utterance_id":4600,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4601,"start_s":4602,"end_s":4603,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},681,"75950","Y ellos evaluaron que valía la pena.",3918.64,3920.92,{"idx":4605,"utterance_id":4606,"speaker_name":238,"text":4607,"start_s":4608,"end_s":4609,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4610,"topic_label":4611,"target_id":4612,"target_proposition":4613,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":4614,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},682,"75951","Usted ya dijo que va a modificar el Bolsa Família.",3921.5,3923.78,"politicas-de-transferencia-de-renda","Políticas de transferencia de ingresos","fce53ab6-7089-43ed-8415-fdbc3cd2b7f7","reformular el Bolsa Família para mayor eficiencia","pregunta-reportaje cita intención de 'mexer' en Bolsa Família, sin detalles.",{"idx":4616,"utterance_id":4617,"speaker_name":238,"text":4618,"start_s":4619,"end_s":4620,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},683,"75952","Quisiera que usted nos explicara qué es exactamente lo que va a cambiar.",3923.86,3926.72,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4610,"topic_label":4611,"target_id":4627,"target_proposition":4628,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4629,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},684,"75953","En mi opinión, el Bolsa Família necesita muchos perfeccionamientos.",3928.46,3933.86,"799902b5-c875-40c0-b1f3-f84783fc51e9","fortalecer el Bolsa Família como instrumento para enfrentar la pobreza","afirma que Bolsa Família necesita muchas mejoras.",{"idx":4631,"utterance_id":4632,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4633,"start_s":4634,"end_s":4635,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4636,"target_proposition":4637,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4638,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},685,"75954","Primero, quien cuida de niños y de ancianos necesita recibir más.",3934.8,3940.92,"30d641c7-e5d6-46d1-8511-3ae7133c9232","aumentar el valor del beneficio social (Auxílio Brasil\u002FBolsa Família)","propone que quien cuida de niños y ancianos reciba más.",{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},686,"75955","Es poco lo que reciben hoy.",3941.14,3942.7,{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":4653,"rationale":4654,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},687,"75956","Segundo, quien no cuida de ancianos ni de niños, tiene salud, puede trabajar, recibe ofertas de empleo una, dos, tres veces y no va, tendrá que dar explicaciones.",3942.98,3957.7,"0d629384-dc0b-4c11-9596-b1f7a29a3ba5","exigir contrapartidas y capacitación para beneficiarios del Bolsa Família",0.92,"dice que quien puede trabajar y rechaza empleo tendrá que explicarse.",{"idx":4656,"utterance_id":4657,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4658,"start_s":4659,"end_s":4660,"word_count":43,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},688,"75957","Porque para mí es incomprensible que alguien que recibe una ayuda del gobierno tenga la oportunidad de trabajar, de cualificarse y opte por quedarse solo viviendo de trabajos ocasionales.",3958.56,3972.48,{"idx":4662,"utterance_id":4663,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4664,"start_s":4665,"end_s":4666,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},689,"75958","Los trabajos ocasionales no capacitan a nadie.",3973.28,3975.8,{"idx":4668,"utterance_id":4669,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4670,"start_s":4671,"end_s":4672,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},690,"75959","Dentro de 10 años, dentro de 20 años, la persona está exactamente en la misma situación.",3976.28,3982.18,{"idx":4674,"utterance_id":4675,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4676,"start_s":4677,"end_s":4678,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":4653,"rationale":4679,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},691,"75960","Y exigiré también, a aquellos que no cuidan de nadie, que concluyan la educación primaria.",3982.76,3989.72,"propone exigir la finalización de la educación primaria como contraprestación.",{"idx":4681,"utterance_id":4682,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4683,"start_s":4684,"end_s":4685,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4686,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},692,"75961","o la educación secundaria o la formación técnica profesionalizante.",3990.18,3993.58,"incluye la educación secundaria o técnica como posibles requisitos.",{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4693,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},693,"75962","Es una contrapartida por estar recibiendo.",3993.96,3996.8,"afirma que una contraprestación es justificable para recibir la ayuda.",{"idx":4695,"utterance_id":4696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4697,"start_s":4698,"end_s":4699,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},694,"75963","En Brasil, nos acostumbramos a dar todo gratis sin ninguna contrapartida.",3997.2,4002.2,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4701,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4702,"start_s":4703,"end_s":4704,"word_count":195,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4705,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75964","Conmigo, eso terminará.",4002.28,4003.5,"declara 'Comigo, isso vai acabar' refiriéndose a la falta de contraprestaciones.",{"idx":4707,"utterance_id":4708,"speaker_name":238,"text":4709,"start_s":4710,"end_s":4711,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},696,"75965","Gobernador, candidato, quiero mostrar aquí un video suyo sobre el Bolsa Família, que usted habló en junio pasado.",4004.24,4012.86,{"idx":4713,"utterance_id":4714,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4715,"start_s":4716,"end_s":4717,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":4718,"topic_label":4719,"target_id":4720,"target_proposition":4721,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4722,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},697,"75966","Yo me enfoco mucho en los hombres.",4015.12,4016.9,"igualdade-de-genero","Igualdad de género","d29b71f2-ac01-4517-a196-e32aeda6724d","centrar los requisitos del Bolsa Família en hombres aptos para trabajar","declara dirigirse mucho a los hombres y que serán invitados a trabajar.",{"idx":4724,"utterance_id":4725,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4726,"start_s":4727,"end_s":4728,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":4718,"topic_label":4719,"target_id":4729,"target_proposition":4730,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4731,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},698,"75967","Las mujeres tienen otras responsabilidades en los hogares, tienen hijos, tienen una diferencia muy grande con respecto a los hombres.",4017.68,4025.76,"e212cd26-8c55-45d9-acd6-24db4b32edc7","adaptar las contrapartidas del Bolsa Família según responsabilidades familiares","dice que las mujeres cuidan de niños\u002Fancianos y recibirían trato diferenciado.",{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},699,"75968","Pero los hombres hoy son invitados a trabajar, nadie va a morir si tiene que estudiar, terminar la primaria o la secundaria.",4025.86,4035.58,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":238,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},700,"75969","Quiero imponer esas exigencias a los hombres.",4036.28,4039.34,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":238,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},701,"75970","La mujer, una vez más, como dije, es diferente.",4039.78,4042,{"idx":4751,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":238,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},702,"75971","¿Usted cree que la principal atribución de las mujeres es el trabajo doméstico?",4043.52,4048.02,{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1076,"start_s":4759,"end_s":4760,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},703,"75972",4048.56,4049.54,{"idx":4762,"utterance_id":4763,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4764,"start_s":4765,"end_s":4766,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4718,"topic_label":4719,"target_id":4767,"target_proposition":4768,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4769,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},704,"75973","Le agradezco que lo haya mostrado aquí; como dije ahora, debido a que las mujeres son la mayoría de las personas que cuidan a niños y ancianos, terminé generalizando en ese comentario mío.",4050.44,4065.08,"3365b323-cdaf-47c7-b98d-98840460f8db","promover la participación femenina en el mercado laboral y en cargos de liderazgo","afirma ser favorable a que la mujer trabaje y cita designaciones.",{"idx":4771,"utterance_id":4772,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4773,"start_s":4774,"end_s":4775,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},705,"75974","Pero que la declaración quede muy clara.",4065.48,4067.44,{"idx":4777,"utterance_id":4778,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4779,"start_s":4780,"end_s":4781,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},706,"75975","Son las personas que cuidan de niños y de ancianas.",4067.9,4071.46,{"idx":4783,"utterance_id":4784,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4785,"start_s":4786,"end_s":4787,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},707,"75976","Incluso, si se pide un levantamiento, las mujeres son más del 80%.",4071.56,4074.28,{"idx":4789,"utterance_id":4790,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4791,"start_s":4792,"end_s":4793,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},708,"75977","Pero debería haber sido más preciso allí.",4075.4,4078.18,{"idx":4795,"utterance_id":4796,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4797,"start_s":4798,"end_s":4799,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":4718,"topic_label":4719,"target_id":4767,"target_proposition":4768,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":4800,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},709,"75978","Soy totalmente favorable a que la mujer trabaje.",4078.8,4082.06,"declara 'Sou totalmente favorável à mulher trabalhar' explícitamente.",{"idx":4802,"utterance_id":4803,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4804,"start_s":4805,"end_s":4806,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":4807,"topic_label":4808,"target_id":4767,"target_proposition":4768,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":4809,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},710,"75979","En mi gobierno, fue el gobierno que más tuvo mujeres en cargos de liderazgo.",4083.66,4088.04,"gestao-publica-e-administracao-estadual","Gestión pública y administración estatal","afirma haber nombrado a muchas mujeres en cargos de liderazgo.",{"idx":4811,"utterance_id":4812,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4813,"start_s":4814,"end_s":4815,"word_count":376,"topic_slug":4807,"topic_label":4808,"target_id":4816,"target_proposition":4768,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":3279,"rationale":4817,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},711,"75980","Está usted frente al gobernador de Minas, que fue quien más nombró mujeres para el Tribunal de Justicia de Minas Gerais.",4088.8,4096.64,"abfd72fb-0dbb-4541-9d6c-87af6804d2d1","cita nombramientos al Tribunal de Justicia como ejemplo de promoción femenina.",{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4819,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4820,"start_s":4821,"end_s":4822,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":4823,"topic_label":4824,"target_id":4816,"target_proposition":4768,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":3279,"rationale":4825,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"75981","Hoy, allí en Minas, la coronel del Cuerpo de Bomberos, la coronel de la Policía Militar y la delegada general de la Policía Civil son mujeres.",4098.02,4107.82,"politica-de-genero-seguranca-publica","Política de Género \u002F Seguridad Pública","Cita mujeres en posiciones de mando en la seguridad pública.",{"idx":4827,"utterance_id":4828,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4829,"start_s":4830,"end_s":4831,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":4807,"topic_label":4808,"target_id":4816,"target_proposition":4768,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":3279,"rationale":4832,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},713,"75982","Ningún otro estado de Brasil tiene eso hoy.",4108.4,4111.34,"Afirma que ningún otro estado tiene esa composición de liderazgos femeninos.",{"idx":4834,"utterance_id":4835,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4836,"start_s":4837,"end_s":4838,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},714,"75983","Estoy a favor, y además las mujeres, Natuso, ganan participación cuando se hace algo que es extremadamente raro en la política.",4112.22,4122.62,{"idx":4840,"utterance_id":4841,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4842,"start_s":4843,"end_s":4844,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},715,"75984","Proceso selectivo.",4123.2,4124.64,{"idx":4846,"utterance_id":4847,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4848,"start_s":4849,"end_s":4850,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},716,"75985","Porque ellas son más competentes.",4125.34,4127.14,{"idx":4852,"utterance_id":4853,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4854,"start_s":4855,"end_s":4856,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},717,"75986","Y como en Brasil muchas veces lo que domina es la politiquería, ellas terminan quedando fuera.",4127.76,4133.84,{"idx":4858,"utterance_id":4859,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4860,"start_s":4861,"end_s":4862,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},718,"75987","Y un punto importante, Banco Master, no vi a ninguna mujer involucrada, solo hombres involucrados.",4134.62,4142.94,{"idx":4864,"utterance_id":4865,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4866,"start_s":4867,"end_s":4868,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},719,"75988","A medida que la participación femenina avance, mejoraremos la política.",4143.22,4149.68,{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},720,"75989","Soy un gran impulsor de una mayor participación femenina.",4149.72,4154.52,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":4881,"topic_label":4882,"target_id":4883,"target_proposition":4884,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4885,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},721,"75990","Donde hay una mujer candidata, si puedo darle un apoyo diferenciado, se lo doy.",4155.3,4160.78,"governanca-e-participacao","Gobernanza y participación","62c8aba6-3800-44c6-bfdd-2d4ee72bb22a","ofrecer apoyo diferenciado a candidatas mujeres","Declara que apoya a candidatas y da apoyo diferenciado cuando es posible.",{"idx":4887,"utterance_id":4888,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4889,"start_s":4890,"end_s":4891,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},722,"75991","He estado diciendo esto directamente dentro de mi partido.",4160.88,4163.74,{"idx":4893,"utterance_id":4894,"speaker_name":238,"text":4895,"start_s":4896,"end_s":4897,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},723,"75992","¿Hablamos de seguridad pública?",4163.8,4165.2,{"idx":4899,"utterance_id":4900,"speaker_name":238,"text":4901,"start_s":4902,"end_s":4903,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},724,"75993","Vamos.",4165.62,4165.86,{"idx":4905,"utterance_id":4906,"speaker_name":238,"text":4907,"start_s":4908,"end_s":4909,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4910,"target_proposition":4911,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":4912,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},725,"75994","Usted ha dicho varias veces que quiere seguir la receta de El Salvador, ¿no?",4165.9,4169.54,"8c044b5c-1286-49a1-a4a9-cdf82310600c","adoptar medidas de seguridad en el modelo de El Salvador","Pregunta sobre la inspiración en El Salvador, enumera medidas y dudas constitucionales.",{"idx":4914,"utterance_id":4915,"speaker_name":238,"text":4916,"start_s":4917,"end_s":4918,"word_count":169,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},726,"75995","Usted estuvo allí, inclusive, ya lo ha dicho varias veces, pero quería preguntarle cómo va a aplicar esa fórmula de Bukele, siendo que varias medidas, la mayoría allí, son inconstitucionales.",4170.46,4182.74,{"idx":4920,"utterance_id":4921,"speaker_name":238,"text":4922,"start_s":4923,"end_s":4924,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},727,"75996","Aquí en Brasil, ¿cómo va a hacer eso si es elegido?",4183.68,4185.54,{"idx":4926,"utterance_id":4927,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4928,"start_s":4929,"end_s":4930,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4931,"target_proposition":4932,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1797,"rationale":4933,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},728,"75997","¿Habrá algo más inconstitucional que un PCC y el Comando Vermelho controlen territorio?",4186.18,4193.82,"68870c5c-74fa-43f1-8d60-79651a044907","reocupar territorios dominados por facciones criminales","Califica el control territorial de las facciones como un problema que exige acción.",{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":238,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},729,"75998","Permítame hacer aquí una lista para usted y usted me va diciendo con qué está de acuerdo.",4194.22,4198.02,{"idx":4941,"utterance_id":4942,"speaker_name":238,"text":4943,"start_s":4944,"end_s":4945,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},730,"75999","Detención sin orden judicial, ¿usted está de acuerdo?",4198.12,4199.82,{"idx":4947,"utterance_id":4948,"speaker_name":238,"text":1076,"start_s":4949,"end_s":4950,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},731,"76000",4199.88,4200.66,{"idx":4952,"utterance_id":4953,"speaker_name":238,"text":4954,"start_s":4955,"end_s":4956,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},732,"76001","Pero sí, eso ocurrió allí.",4200.72,4203.26,{"idx":4958,"utterance_id":4959,"speaker_name":238,"text":4960,"start_s":4961,"end_s":4962,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},733,"76002","Entonces, ¿cuál es?",4204.6,4205.2,{"idx":4964,"utterance_id":4965,"speaker_name":238,"text":4966,"start_s":4967,"end_s":4968,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},734,"76003","Detención sin orden, ampliación del tiempo de detención sin orden judicial.",4205.6,4208.74,{"idx":4970,"utterance_id":4971,"speaker_name":238,"text":4972,"start_s":4973,"end_s":4974,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},735,"76004","Tampoco estoy de acuerdo.",4209.08,4210.18,{"idx":4976,"utterance_id":4977,"speaker_name":238,"text":4978,"start_s":4979,"end_s":4980,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},736,"76005","Reducción drástica del habeas corpus.",4210.3,4212.38,{"idx":4982,"utterance_id":4983,"speaker_name":238,"text":4984,"start_s":4985,"end_s":4986,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},737,"76006","Tampoco.",4212.92,4213.46,{"idx":4988,"utterance_id":4989,"speaker_name":238,"text":4990,"start_s":4991,"end_s":4992,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},738,"76007","¿Dificultad de acceso a abogados?",4213.68,4215.52,{"idx":4994,"utterance_id":4995,"speaker_name":238,"text":1076,"start_s":4996,"end_s":4997,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},739,"76008",4215.76,4216.64,{"idx":4999,"utterance_id":5000,"speaker_name":238,"text":5001,"start_s":5002,"end_s":5003,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},740,"76009","¿Juicio colectivo de cientos de acusados?",4216.74,4218.94,{"idx":5005,"utterance_id":5006,"speaker_name":238,"text":4984,"start_s":5007,"end_s":5008,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},741,"76010",4219.3,4219.92,{"idx":5010,"utterance_id":5011,"speaker_name":238,"text":5012,"start_s":5013,"end_s":5014,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},742,"76011","¿Detenciones basadas en denuncias anónimas, perfil territorial y tatuajes?",4220.94,4224.96,{"idx":5016,"utterance_id":5017,"speaker_name":238,"text":4984,"start_s":5018,"end_s":5019,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},743,"76012",4225.24,4225.88,{"idx":5021,"utterance_id":5022,"speaker_name":238,"text":5023,"start_s":5024,"end_s":5025,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},744,"76013","Pero entonces, ¿qué quiere usted de Bukele aquí? No lo entendí.",4225.94,4228.42,{"idx":5027,"utterance_id":5028,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5029,"start_s":5030,"end_s":5031,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":5032,"target_proposition":5033,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":5034,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},745,"76014","Pero yo estoy mucho más en desacuerdo, Sadi y Natursa, con las más de 40 mil vidas que Brasil pierde por año.",4228.8,4237.7,"554b78d9-4efe-4a8b-90b3-63d8efd356b8","reducir homicidios y combatir el crimen organizado","Prioriza las vidas perdidas y muestra desacuerdo con el status quo que permite muertes.",{"idx":5036,"utterance_id":5037,"speaker_name":238,"text":5038,"start_s":5039,"end_s":5040,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},746,"76015","¿Cómo va a aplicar ese modelo de seguridad aquí?",4237.82,4240.84,{"idx":5042,"utterance_id":5043,"speaker_name":238,"text":5044,"start_s":5045,"end_s":5046,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},747,"76016","Le acabo de leer, quería entenderlo desde el punto de vista práctico.",4242.24,4245.18,{"idx":5048,"utterance_id":5049,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5050,"start_s":5051,"end_s":5052,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5053,"target_proposition":5054,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":5055,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},748,"76017","Primero voy a retomar todos los territorios, que es el gran mal.",4245.54,4250.22,"34c880e5-59a4-4c1c-9f3b-bcdd9643ff81","retomar el control de territorios dominados por facciones","Declara 'vou primeiro retomar todos os territórios' como prioridad.",{"idx":5057,"utterance_id":5058,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5059,"start_s":5060,"end_s":5061,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},749,"76018","Eso es lo que da sustento a las facciones y organizaciones criminales.",4250.56,4254.68,{"idx":5063,"utterance_id":5064,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5065,"start_s":5066,"end_s":5067,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},750,"76019","Ellas recaudan miles de millones de reais extorsionando a la gente en la cuenta del agua, de la energía, de internet, en el estacionamiento, en el peaje, en no sé qué.",4255.88,4269.92,{"idx":5069,"utterance_id":5070,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5071,"start_s":5072,"end_s":5073,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},751,"76020","Hoy, 60 millones de brasileños viven en áreas que están controladas por esas facciones y organizaciones criminales.",4270.76,4280.44,{"idx":5075,"utterance_id":5076,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5077,"start_s":5078,"end_s":5079,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},752,"76021","Una vida de perro, sin ninguna dignidad.",4280.94,4284.94,{"idx":5081,"utterance_id":5082,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5083,"start_s":5084,"end_s":5085,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},753,"76022","Y tenemos un presidente que dice que esa gente es víctima de la sociedad.",4285.78,4290.1,{"idx":5087,"utterance_id":5088,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5089,"start_s":5090,"end_s":5091,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},754,"76023","Conmigo, vamos a cambiar eso por completo.",4291.26,4295.18,{"idx":5093,"utterance_id":5094,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5095,"start_s":5096,"end_s":5097,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":5098,"topic_label":5099,"target_id":5100,"target_proposition":5101,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":5102,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},755,"76024","Voy a declarar, encuadrar... Todas esas organizaciones y facciones como terroristas; con eso, todo el aparato estatal, las Fuerzas Armadas, la Policía Federal, a Receita Federal, el COAF, tendrán que combatirlas y vamos a iniciar una lucha como nunca se ha tenido en Brasil.",4296.18,4320,"crime-organizado","Crimen Organizado","854d7391-fa5a-4745-b14c-f85d32bd5a16","tratar al PCC y al Comando Vermelho como organizaciones terroristas","Propone encuadrar a las facciones como terroristas y usar el aparato estatal para su combate.",{"idx":5104,"utterance_id":5105,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5106,"start_s":5107,"end_s":5108,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},756,"76025","Ahora, ¿por qué no sucede esto?",4320.34,4322.14,{"idx":5110,"utterance_id":5111,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5112,"start_s":5113,"end_s":5114,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":2317,"topic_label":2318,"target_id":5115,"target_proposition":5116,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5117,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},757,"76026","Es porque hay muchos políticos, gente poderosa beneficiándose del crimen organizado.",4322.18,4328.66,"3cc833b0-5d00-4f31-b794-dbaee7e1b18f","investigar y castigar a políticos que se benefician del crimen organizado","Atribuye la falla a la existencia de políticos que se benefician, pidiendo enfrentamiento.",{"idx":5119,"utterance_id":5120,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5121,"start_s":5122,"end_s":5123,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},758,"76027","Mucho.",4329.32,4329.7,{"idx":5125,"utterance_id":5126,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5127,"start_s":5128,"end_s":5129,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},759,"76028","Tanto es así que el mayor banquero bandido tenía acceso a las máximas autoridades de Brasil, incluso a ministros del STF.",4330.52,4339.44,{"idx":5131,"utterance_id":5132,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5133,"start_s":5134,"end_s":5135,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},760,"76029","Ahora, del crimen organizado, quién sabe lo que ocurre por ahí.",4339.84,4343.66,{"idx":5137,"utterance_id":5138,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5139,"start_s":5140,"end_s":5141,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},761,"76030","No tengo el rabo preso.",4344.66,4346.48,{"idx":5143,"utterance_id":5144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5145,"start_s":5146,"end_s":5147,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},762,"76031","Como ya he dicho, además, estoy respondiendo un proceso del intocable Gilmar Mendes.",4346.68,4351.32,{"idx":5149,"utterance_id":5150,"speaker_name":238,"text":5151,"start_s":5152,"end_s":5153,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},763,"76032","Pero cuando usted dice que ayer mismo usted publicó un video afirmando que se inspira en Bukele.",4351.5,4356.3,{"idx":5155,"utterance_id":5156,"speaker_name":238,"text":5157,"start_s":5158,"end_s":5159,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},764,"76033","La Sadi siguió punto por punto el modelo Bukele.",4356.96,4359.26,{"idx":5161,"utterance_id":5162,"speaker_name":238,"text":5163,"start_s":5164,"end_s":5165,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},765,"76034","¿Qué va exactamente a importar de allí?",4359.76,4362.84,{"idx":5167,"utterance_id":5168,"speaker_name":238,"text":5169,"start_s":5170,"end_s":5171,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},766,"76035","¿Qué idea va a importar de allí e implementar aquí para resolver el combate, para poner en práctica la lucha contra el crimen organizado?",4362.96,4370.42,{"idx":5173,"utterance_id":5174,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5175,"start_s":5176,"end_s":5177,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":5178,"target_proposition":5179,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":5180,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},767,"76036","En Tusa, voy a poner el costo del crimen muy alto.",4370.8,4374.46,"a5111c56-64cf-4990-8b57-668d3ee3b4e8","aumentar el costo del crimen mediante medidas represivas y financieras","Dice que va a 'colocar o custo do crime lá em cima' para desincentivar los delitos.",{"idx":5182,"utterance_id":5183,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5184,"start_s":5185,"end_s":5186,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},768,"76037","Hoy el costo del crimen en Brasil está por los suelos.",4374.86,4377.32,{"idx":5188,"utterance_id":5189,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5190,"start_s":5191,"end_s":5192,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},769,"76038","Vale la pena ser criminal en Brasil.",4380.22,4382.52,{"idx":5194,"utterance_id":5195,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5196,"start_s":5197,"end_s":5198,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},770,"76039","Ahora las personas de bien, y son la mayoría de los brasileños, ustedes, yo, quienes nos están acompañando aquí, están cansados.",4382.78,4389.76,{"idx":5200,"utterance_id":5201,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5202,"start_s":5203,"end_s":5204,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},771,"76040","Nadie puede coger el celular y caminar por una acera que aparece alguien y se lo lleva.",4390.32,4395.46,{"idx":5206,"utterance_id":5207,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5208,"start_s":5209,"end_s":5210,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},772,"76041","Vi un caso que me mostraron el año pasado: un joven en Belo Horizonte con 88 denuncias por hurto y robo de celular.",4396.96,4407.8,{"idx":5212,"utterance_id":5213,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5214,"start_s":5215,"end_s":5216,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},773,"76042","Estaba suelto.",4408,4408.78,{"idx":5218,"utterance_id":5219,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5220,"start_s":5221,"end_s":5222,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":5223,"topic_label":5224,"target_id":5225,"target_proposition":5226,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5227,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},774,"76043","88 veces fue detenido y puesto en libertad en la audiencia de custodia.",4408.8,4414.56,"politica-penal","Política penal","9bf18ea0-e727-4de7-83d0-700648199028","aumentar el uso de prisión preventiva para reincidentes","Usa el ejemplo de un reincidente detenido varias veces para justificar más prisión preventiva.",{"idx":5229,"utterance_id":5230,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5231,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},775,"76044","¿Será que este es un país que inhibe o que incentiva el crimen?",4415.34,4419.88,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":195,"topic_slug":5240,"topic_label":5241,"target_id":5242,"target_proposition":5243,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":5244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},776,"76045","¿Vamos a construir más prisiones?",4420.52,4422.74,"sistema-prisional","Sistema penitenciario","b3d8d587-fe70-4995-b874-5a184c19c062","construir prisiones federales de gran capacidad","Plantea la construcción de prisiones como respuesta a la gran cantidad de criminales en libertad.",{"idx":5246,"utterance_id":5247,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5248,"start_s":5249,"end_s":5250,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},777,"76046","Hay muchos delincuentes sueltos en Brasil, haciendo la vida imposible a quienes trabajan, a quienes ganan su sustento con el sudor de su frente.",4423.18,4435.36,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5252,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5253,"start_s":5254,"end_s":5255,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},"76047","No se puede vivir así.",4436.04,4437.12,{"idx":5257,"utterance_id":5258,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5259,"start_s":5260,"end_s":5261,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},779,"76048","¿Y los 40 mil muertos?",4437.22,4438.58,{"idx":5263,"utterance_id":5264,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5265,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},780,"76049","Cada día que vamos normalizando, que cae un avión grande, como el de TAM que se estrelló en São Paulo hace 15 años, se volvió algo normal.",4439.04,4448.48,{"idx":5269,"utterance_id":5270,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5271,"start_s":5272,"end_s":5273,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},781,"76050","Cada día 140 homicidios, normal.",4448.98,4451.82,{"idx":5275,"utterance_id":5276,"speaker_name":238,"text":5277,"start_s":5278,"end_s":5279,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},782,"76051","Pero no entendí cómo va a meter más presos en las prisiones?",4452.02,4455.68,{"idx":5281,"utterance_id":5282,"speaker_name":238,"text":5283,"start_s":5284,"end_s":5285,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},783,"76052","Porque si usted se inspira en Bukele, pero dijo aquí que no va a adoptar ninguna de las fórmulas de Bukele, ¿cómo va a hacer para llenar esas prisiones que quiere construir?",4456.02,4466.58,{"idx":5287,"utterance_id":5288,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5289,"start_s":5290,"end_s":5291,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":5292,"topic_label":5293,"target_id":5294,"target_proposition":5295,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5296,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},784,"76053","Vamos a cambiar la legislación.",4468.34,4470.76,"processo-penal","Proceso Penal","c17bd025-1264-4b38-a5df-8917e9e2c24a","adoptar penas más severas para delitos graves","Afirma 'Nós vamos mudar a legislação' para impedir que reincidentes queden en libertad.",{"idx":5298,"utterance_id":5299,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5300,"start_s":5301,"end_s":5302,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},785,"76054","Hoy, ese que ya robó 88 veces, que acabo de decir que tiene 88, ya no va a quedar suelto más.",4471.52,4477.96,{"idx":5304,"utterance_id":5305,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5306,"start_s":5307,"end_s":5308,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":5223,"topic_label":5224,"target_id":5309,"target_proposition":5310,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":5311,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},786,"76055","Si hubo la tercera ocurrencia, ya habrá prisión preventiva para él.",4478.8,4483.84,"3018e1fa-241a-42ad-9c0c-9e8c44e44b2f","integrar mecanismos preventivos al modelo ejecutorio vigente para delitos de elevada gravedad","Propone que tras la tercera ocurrencia ya haya prisión preventiva.",{"idx":5313,"utterance_id":5314,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5315,"start_s":5316,"end_s":5317,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},787,"76056","¿Alguien que ya cometió tres delitos, que ninguno ha sido juzgado aún, va a quedarse y va a continuar cometiendo?",4484.52,4491.66,{"idx":5319,"utterance_id":5320,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5321,"start_s":5322,"end_s":5323,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},788,"76057","Si tres es poco, quizá sean cuatro, quizá sean cinco?",4492.22,4495.4,{"idx":5325,"utterance_id":5326,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5327,"start_s":5328,"end_s":5329,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},789,"76058","Eso se va a discutir.",4495.9,4497.4,{"idx":5331,"utterance_id":5332,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5333,"start_s":5334,"end_s":5335,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5336,"topic_label":5337,"target_id":5338,"target_proposition":5339,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":5340,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},790,"76059","Quiero especialistas en seguridad pública discutiendo esas cuestiones.",4497.92,4503.72,"formulacao-de-politicas-publicas","Formulación de políticas públicas","bf31335a-a026-4936-9428-b5d7207d4b6e","formular políticas de seguridad basadas en evidencias y resultados concretos","Quiere especialistas discutiendo los cambios legales y de seguridad pública.",{"idx":5342,"utterance_id":5343,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5344,"start_s":5345,"end_s":5346,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},791,"76060","Brasil se perdió en materia de seguridad pública durante el gobierno del PT, con Lula y Dilma.",4504.22,4510.76,{"idx":5348,"utterance_id":5349,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5350,"start_s":5351,"end_s":5352,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},792,"76061","¿Qué pasó con las facciones?",4510.92,4512.66,{"idx":5354,"utterance_id":5355,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5356,"start_s":5357,"end_s":5358,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},793,"76062","No hicieron más que aumentar.",4513.36,4514.5,{"idx":5360,"utterance_id":5361,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5362,"start_s":5363,"end_s":5364,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},794,"76063","Ustedes que viven aquí en Río de Janeiro lo saben muy bien.",4514.6,4518.18,{"idx":5366,"utterance_id":5367,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5368,"start_s":5369,"end_s":5370,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5371,"target_proposition":5372,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":5373,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},795,"76064","Y para Río de Janeiro vamos a adoptar una medida especial, como aquellas del pasado, solo que aquellas fueron como... quimioterapia y radioterapia durante un mes.",4518.38,4529.2,"f40894a1-a523-46f3-a754-a8e5ce60ec13","adoptar medidas especiales y prolongadas de seguridad para Río de Janeiro","Propone tratamiento continuo durante años para enfrentar a las facciones en Río.",{"idx":5375,"utterance_id":5376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5377,"start_s":5378,"end_s":5379,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},796,"76065","No cura el tumor, no.",4529.34,4530.52,{"idx":5381,"utterance_id":5382,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5383,"start_s":5384,"end_s":5385,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5386,"target_proposition":5387,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":5388,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},797,"76066","Aquí en Río hace falta ese tratamiento siempre, por 10 años, por 15, por 20, hasta que acabemos con esas facciones.",4531.08,4540.92,"782883ef-4fc0-44f4-80a8-783f7cc9ec3e","realizar operaciones de seguridad pública más eficaces en Río de Janeiro","Defiende seguimiento por 10, 15, 20 años hasta eliminar las facciones.",{"idx":5390,"utterance_id":5391,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5392,"start_s":5393,"end_s":5394,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":5395,"topic_label":5396,"target_id":5397,"target_proposition":5398,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":5399,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},798,"76067","El Estado tiene un poder de fuego gigantesco, pero no hay nadie con coraje para usarlo.",4541.56,4548.52,"papel-do-estado","Papel del Estado","01cc4b2e-c063-425e-ad38-0f675597d10e","emplear a las Fuerzas Armadas y agencias federales en la lucha contra facciones criminales","Defiende el uso del 'poder gigante de fogo' del Estado contra el crimen organizado.",{"idx":5401,"utterance_id":5402,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5403,"start_s":5404,"end_s":5405,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},799,"76068","Como dije, Fuerzas Armadas, a Receita Federal, Policía Federal y COAF.",4549.6,4555.16,{"idx":5407,"utterance_id":5408,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5409,"start_s":5410,"end_s":5411,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},800,"76069","Quiero ver quién va a ganar esa batalla.",4555.54,4557.3,{"idx":5413,"utterance_id":5414,"speaker_name":238,"text":5415,"start_s":5416,"end_s":5417,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},801,"76070","Usted habló de Río, usted defiende la intervención federal aquí en Río, con la presencia de las Fuerzas Armadas.",4557.64,4563.9,{"idx":5419,"utterance_id":5420,"speaker_name":238,"text":5421,"start_s":5422,"end_s":5423,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},802,"76071","Pero si la intervención resolviera todo, Río sería el lugar más seguro del mundo.",4563.98,4568.58,{"idx":5425,"utterance_id":5426,"speaker_name":238,"text":5427,"start_s":5428,"end_s":5429,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},803,"76072","Solo hay que mirar el historial.",4568.64,4569.56,{"idx":5431,"utterance_id":5432,"speaker_name":238,"text":5433,"start_s":5434,"end_s":5435,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},804,"76073","¿Qué va a hacer de diferente?",4569.6,4571.32,{"idx":5437,"utterance_id":5438,"speaker_name":238,"text":5439,"start_s":5440,"end_s":5441,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},805,"76074","Todo.",4572.54,4572.88,{"idx":5443,"utterance_id":5444,"speaker_name":238,"text":5445,"start_s":5446,"end_s":5447,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},806,"76075","¿Por ejemplo?",4573.42,4574.06,{"idx":5449,"utterance_id":5450,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5451,"start_s":5452,"end_s":5453,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},807,"76076","La intervención que hubo aquí, como dije, es igual.",4574.76,4577.26,{"idx":5455,"utterance_id":5456,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5457,"start_s":5458,"end_s":5459,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},808,"76077","Es como alguien que está haciendo un tratamiento de cáncer, que se somete a radioterapia y quimioterapia durante seis meses y cree que está curado.",4577.36,4584.68,{"idx":5461,"utterance_id":5462,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5463,"start_s":5464,"end_s":5465,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},809,"76078","va a tener que haber un seguimiento para siempre.",4585.38,4588.32,{"idx":5467,"utterance_id":5468,"speaker_name":238,"text":5469,"start_s":5470,"end_s":5471,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},810,"76079","Ya hemos visto varios formatos de intervención, por eso estoy pidiendo detalles de cuál es su propuesta.",4588.44,4593.4,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5473,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5474,"start_s":5475,"end_s":5476,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5477,"target_proposition":5478,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":5479,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"76080","El Estado de Río necesita un apoyo federal muy grande.",4593.9,4599.04,"082b9bf4-4bbf-4f65-97a1-7fd200c49149","proporcionar apoyo federal sustancial al estado de Río de Janeiro para combatir facciones","Dice que el gobierno federal dará todo el apoyo al estado de Río para enfrentar el problema.",{"idx":5481,"utterance_id":5482,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5483,"start_s":5484,"end_s":5485,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},812,"76081","Nos vamos a inspirar en algo que se hizo en el pasado y que, mientras duró, incluso fue exitoso con especialistas.",4600.28,4608.14,{"idx":5487,"utterance_id":5488,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5489,"start_s":5490,"end_s":5491,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},813,"76082","La situación desde entonces ha cambiado, se ha agravado.",4608.6,4612.02,{"idx":5493,"utterance_id":5494,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5495,"start_s":5496,"end_s":5497,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},814,"76083","Eso se hará.",4612.76,4614.06,{"idx":5499,"utterance_id":5500,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5501,"start_s":5502,"end_s":5503,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5477,"target_proposition":5478,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1633,"rationale":5504,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},815,"76084","Será a cuatro manos, con especialistas, con la sociedad civil, pero el gobierno federal, en mi presidencia, dará todo el apoyo al estado de Río para sacar este gran cáncer de aquí.",4614.3,4628.22,"Reafirma que, en la presidencia, dará apoyo federal con especialistas y la sociedad civil.",{"idx":5506,"utterance_id":5507,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5508,"start_s":5509,"end_s":5510,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},816,"76085","Es un cáncer que solo está creciendo.",4629.12,4631,{"idx":5512,"utterance_id":5513,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5514,"start_s":5515,"end_s":5516,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},817,"76086","En el momento en que el ejército se fue, las fuerzas de seguridad se fueron, no recuerdo bien si hace 10 años o 12 años, el tumor volvió a crecer y está más fuerte que antes.",4632.02,4641.5,{"idx":5518,"utterance_id":5519,"speaker_name":238,"text":5520,"start_s":5521,"end_s":5522,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},818,"76087","¿Y usted declararía intervención federal aquí en Río de Janeiro?",4641.58,4644.64,{"idx":5524,"utterance_id":5525,"speaker_name":238,"text":5526,"start_s":5527,"end_s":5528,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},819,"76088","¿A partir de cuándo, si resulta elegido?",4644.7,4646.86,{"idx":5530,"utterance_id":5531,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5532,"start_s":5533,"end_s":5534,"word_count":376,"topic_slug":5535,"topic_label":5536,"target_id":5537,"target_proposition":5538,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":5539,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},820,"76089","Será algo tratado con el nuevo gobernador, con la anuencia del nuevo gobernador, del alcalde; estoy seguro de que querrán.",4647.78,4656.38,"intervencao-federal","Intervención federal","5ac4c458-0f7d-40d2-af71-64db52d70c15","declarar intervención federal en Río de Janeiro con anuencia de las autoridades locales cuando sea necesario","Afirma que una eventual intervención se trataría con el nuevo gobernador y el alcalde, de forma condicional.",{"idx":5541,"utterance_id":5542,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5543,"start_s":5544,"end_s":5545,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},821,"76090","Río de Janeiro tiene un potencial enorme de recaudación.",4656.8,4659.52,{"idx":5547,"utterance_id":5548,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5549,"start_s":5550,"end_s":5551,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},822,"76091","Vamos a tomar el caso de Light aquí en Tusa.",4659.62,4661.86,{"idx":5553,"utterance_id":5554,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5555,"start_s":5556,"end_s":5557,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},823,"76092","Light, que era del gobierno de Minas, que vendimos, hoy es una empresa quebrada.",4662.28,4666.54,{"idx":5559,"utterance_id":5560,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5561,"start_s":5562,"end_s":5563,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},824,"76093","Me encontré el otro día con el ejecutivo; él me dijo: Zema, el 52% de la energía que Light suministra no la cobra.",4667.24,4676.42,{"idx":5565,"utterance_id":5566,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5567,"start_s":5568,"end_s":5569,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},825,"76094","Quien está cobrando es el crimen organizado.",4677.44,4680.06,{"idx":5571,"utterance_id":5572,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5573,"start_s":5574,"end_s":5575,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},826,"76095","Miles de millones de reais por año.",4680.38,4682.12,{"idx":5577,"utterance_id":5578,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5579,"start_s":5580,"end_s":5581,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},827,"76096","Estamos, digamos, alimentando aquí... a un demonio aquí en Río de Janeiro, en Fortaleza, en otros lugares de Brasil.",4682.98,4694.34,{"idx":5583,"utterance_id":5584,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5585,"start_s":5586,"end_s":5587,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},828,"76097","Y es necesario ponerle fin.",4695.02,4697.86,{"idx":5589,"utterance_id":5590,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5591,"start_s":5592,"end_s":5593,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},829,"76098","¿Qué hizo el gobierno de Lula en esa PEC de seguridad en términos de recuperación de territorio?",4698.78,4705.04,{"idx":5595,"utterance_id":5596,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5597,"start_s":5598,"end_s":5599,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},830,"76099","Absolutamente nada.",4706.32,4708.3,{"idx":5601,"utterance_id":5602,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5603,"start_s":5604,"end_s":5605,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},831,"76100","Y eso es lo principal.",4708.64,4709.68,{"idx":5607,"utterance_id":5608,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5609,"start_s":5610,"end_s":5611,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},832,"76101","Mientras no haya recuperación de los territorios, el crimen organizado está... recibiendo miles de millones por año y expandiéndose.",4710.38,4719.68,{"idx":5613,"utterance_id":5614,"speaker_name":238,"text":5615,"start_s":5616,"end_s":5617,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},833,"76102","Usted incluso apoyó la decisión de Estados Unidos de clasificar al PCC y al Comando Vermelho como organizaciones terroristas.",4720.06,4727.9,{"idx":5619,"utterance_id":5620,"speaker_name":238,"text":5621,"start_s":5622,"end_s":5623,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},834,"76103","¿Cree usted que de algún modo esa declaración puede abrir una brecha para una intervención de Estados Unidos aquí en Brasil?",4728.34,4737.98,{"idx":5625,"utterance_id":5626,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1076,"start_s":5627,"end_s":5628,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},835,"76104",4740.22,4741.08,{"idx":5630,"utterance_id":5631,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5632,"start_s":5633,"end_s":5634,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},836,"76105","Hoy... recordemos, Natuza, Brasil ya no es un país soberano.",4741.92,4749.7,{"idx":5636,"utterance_id":5637,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5638,"start_s":5639,"end_s":5640,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},837,"76106","Tenemos aquí la dictadura de la extorsión.",4749.82,4754.34,{"idx":5642,"utterance_id":5643,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5644,"start_s":5645,"end_s":5646,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},838,"76107","60 millones de brasileños no viven en Brasil.",4754.36,4758.44,{"idx":5648,"utterance_id":5649,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5650,"start_s":5651,"end_s":5652,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},839,"76108","Viven en áreas controladas por el PCC, por el Comando Vermelho y otras facciones.",4759.16,4765.9,{"idx":5654,"utterance_id":5655,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5656,"start_s":5657,"end_s":5658,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},840,"76109","Será la recuperación de la soberanía de Brasil.",4766.92,4769.74,{"idx":5660,"utterance_id":5661,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5662,"start_s":5663,"end_s":5664,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},841,"76110","Y en esas áreas... no llega la justicia, no llega la seguridad pública, no hay formalización.",4770.3,4779.36,{"idx":5666,"utterance_id":5667,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5668,"start_s":5669,"end_s":5670,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},842,"76111","Allí quienes recaudan son la delincuencia.",4780.18,4782.7,{"idx":5672,"utterance_id":5673,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5674,"start_s":5675,"end_s":5676,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},843,"76112","Brasil hoy ya no tiene soberanía.",4783.3,4786.1,{"idx":5678,"utterance_id":5679,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5680,"start_s":5681,"end_s":5682,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},844,"76113","Se termina discutiendo con Estados Unidos.",4786.28,4788.46,{"idx":5684,"utterance_id":5685,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5686,"start_s":5687,"end_s":5688,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":5689,"topic_label":5690,"target_id":5691,"target_proposition":5692,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":5693,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},845,"76114","Toda ayuda internacional será bienvenida.",4789.08,4791.22,"seguranca-internacional","Seguridad Internacional","b7091a90-0cee-470b-a4a1-46f7167db753","aceptar ayuda internacional y equipos para combatir el crimen organizado","Dice que toda ayuda internacional será bienvenida y que no perderemos soberanía.",{"idx":5695,"utterance_id":5696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5697,"start_s":5698,"end_s":5699,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},846,"76115","Y Brasil no va a perder la soberanía.",4791.6,4794.1,{"idx":5701,"utterance_id":5702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5703,"start_s":5704,"end_s":5705,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},847,"76116","Lo que venga en equipamiento, en ayuda financiera, perfecto.",4794.32,4797.56,{"idx":5707,"utterance_id":5708,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5709,"start_s":5710,"end_s":5711,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},848,"76117","Brasil será soberano mucho más de lo que es hoy, porque hoy es rehén del crimen.",4798.06,4802.72,{"idx":5713,"utterance_id":5714,"speaker_name":238,"text":5715,"start_s":5716,"end_s":5717,"word_count":331,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},849,"76118","Y cuando, en 2025, Trump anunció el primer tarifazo, usted dijo que los brasileños pagaban la cuenta por culpa de, entre comillas, Lula, Janja y del Supremo, cierra entre comillas.",4802.76,4813.9,{"idx":5719,"utterance_id":5720,"speaker_name":238,"text":5721,"start_s":5722,"end_s":5723,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},850,"76119","Después usted dijo que la medida era injusta y errada.",4813.98,4817.3,{"idx":5725,"utterance_id":5726,"speaker_name":238,"text":5727,"start_s":5728,"end_s":5729,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},851,"76120","Quienes pagan la cuenta son los brasileños.",4817.38,4819.56,{"idx":5731,"utterance_id":5732,"speaker_name":238,"text":5733,"start_s":5734,"end_s":5735,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},852,"76121","Usted sabe bien eso, y los brasileños también.",4819.68,4821.84,{"idx":5737,"utterance_id":5738,"speaker_name":238,"text":5739,"start_s":5740,"end_s":5741,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},853,"76122","Le pregunto, ¿qué haría usted para evitarlo?",4823.42,4826.54,{"idx":5743,"utterance_id":5744,"speaker_name":238,"text":5745,"start_s":5746,"end_s":5747,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},854,"76123","¿esas sanciones económicas contra Brasil?",4827.2,4828.72,{"idx":5749,"utterance_id":5750,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5751,"start_s":5752,"end_s":5753,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},855,"76124","Sadi, en ese punto creo que puedo contribuir mucho.",4830.84,4834.62,{"idx":5755,"utterance_id":5756,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5757,"start_s":5758,"end_s":5759,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},856,"76125","Vengo del comercio minorista.",4834.98,4837.04,{"idx":5761,"utterance_id":5762,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5763,"start_s":5764,"end_s":5765,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},857,"76126","He tenido que atender bien al señor João, a doña Maria, a doña Conceição, toda la vida.",4838.02,4844.28,{"idx":5767,"utterance_id":5768,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5769,"start_s":5770,"end_s":5771,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},858,"76127","¿Y qué hizo Lula como presidente?",4845.48,4847.72,{"idx":5773,"utterance_id":5774,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5775,"start_s":5776,"end_s":5777,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},859,"76128","El segundo mayor socio comercial de Brasil, que son los Estados Unidos, todo el tiempo estuvo como atacando.",4848.5,4857.68,{"idx":5779,"utterance_id":5780,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5781,"start_s":5782,"end_s":5783,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},860,"76129","Primero acercándose a Cuba, a Venezuela, a Irán, que son países notoriamente antiestadounidenses.",4858.38,4867.12,{"idx":5785,"utterance_id":5786,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5787,"start_s":5788,"end_s":5789,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},861,"76130","Después cuestionando el sistema del dólar.",4867.84,4870.24,{"idx":5791,"utterance_id":5792,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5793,"start_s":5794,"end_s":5795,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},862,"76131","¿Será que nuestra vida va a mejorar si en lugar de dólar es euro, es yuan?",4871.26,4875.68,{"idx":5797,"utterance_id":5798,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5799,"start_s":5800,"end_s":5801,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},863,"76132","¿Será que nuestra vida mejora si en lugar de metro es pulgada?",4876.04,4880.1,{"idx":5803,"utterance_id":5804,"speaker_name":238,"text":5805,"start_s":5806,"end_s":5807,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},864,"76133","Pero, ¿qué pondría usted sobre la mesa en esa negociación?",4880.54,4882.86,{"idx":5809,"utterance_id":5810,"speaker_name":238,"text":5811,"start_s":5812,"end_s":5813,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},865,"76134","¿Aceptarías, por ejemplo, ceder en el PIX?",4883.02,4884.8,{"idx":5815,"utterance_id":5816,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1076,"start_s":5817,"end_s":5818,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},866,"76135",4887.3,4888.14,{"idx":5820,"utterance_id":5821,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5822,"start_s":5823,"end_s":5824,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":5825,"topic_label":5826,"target_id":5827,"target_proposition":5828,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5829,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},867,"76136","El PIX es de Brasil.",4888.36,4889.66,"politica-monetaria-meios-de-pagamento","Política Monetaria \u002F Medios de Pago","36e9d88d-9dae-4abf-a221-4a7ecbe10afa","defender y promover el PIX como sistema de pagos nacional e internacionalizarlo","Afirma 'O PIX é do Brasil' y quiere llevar el PIX a otros países.",{"idx":5831,"utterance_id":5832,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5833,"start_s":5834,"end_s":5835,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},868,"76137","Creo que el mundo necesita del PIX.",4889.96,4892.14,{"idx":5837,"utterance_id":5838,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5839,"start_s":5840,"end_s":5841,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},869,"76138","Ya funcionó aquí, simplificó la vida, yo lo uso, millones de brasileños lo usan.",4892.76,4898.72,{"idx":5843,"utterance_id":5844,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5845,"start_s":5846,"end_s":5847,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},870,"76139","Creo que tenemos que decir lo siguiente: el mundo cambió, la gente ya no quiere tarjeta de crédito, de débito, ya no quiere PIX.",4899.32,4905.78,{"idx":5849,"utterance_id":5850,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5851,"start_s":5852,"end_s":5853,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},871,"76140","Lo que queremos es llevar el PIX a otros países.",4905.96,4907.9,{"idx":5855,"utterance_id":5856,"speaker_name":238,"text":5857,"start_s":5858,"end_s":5859,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},872,"76141","Pero entonces, ¿cómo haría usted para evitar esas sanciones económicas?",4907.94,4911.76,{"idx":5861,"utterance_id":5862,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5863,"start_s":5864,"end_s":5865,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":5866,"target_proposition":5867,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1633,"rationale":5868,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},873,"76142","Pues, primero no hacer agresiones gratuitas, como ha venido ocurriendo por parte del presidente Lula, que cuestiona el dólar, que se acerca a países.",4912.42,4922.52,"b3d5d2ef-b625-4959-a444-039633dcc0b8","adoptar una diplomacia pragmática para evitar confrontaciones innecesarias","Propone no hacer agresiones gratuitas en la política exterior para evitar represalias.",{"idx":5870,"utterance_id":5871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5872,"start_s":5873,"end_s":5874,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":5875,"topic_label":5876,"target_id":5877,"target_proposition":5878,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5879,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},874,"76143","Quiero que Brasil esté en la OCDE también, que es un certificado de seriedad.",4922.72,4928.28,"politica-institucional","Política institucional","103e0107-c65a-45d6-be60-d097740e6474","promover la entrada de Brasil en la OCDE","Declara explícitamente 'Eu quero o Brasil na OCDE' como muestra de seriedad.",{"idx":5881,"utterance_id":5882,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5883,"start_s":5884,"end_s":5885,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":5886,"target_proposition":5887,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":5888,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},875,"76144","Y lógicamente, gente competente, que hoy no tenemos para estar conduciendo estos asuntos.",4929.2,4934.16,"1d111173-d78b-47b2-8e5b-49d11f9a74b0","nombrar a Shikamaru ministro de Relaciones Exteriores","Critica la falta de gente competente y defiende profesionales a la altura de Brasil.",{"idx":5890,"utterance_id":5891,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5892,"start_s":5893,"end_s":5894,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},876,"76145","Entre nosotros, hoy en nuestra área de relaciones exteriores no tenemos personas allí.",4934.84,4941.36,{"idx":5896,"utterance_id":5897,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5898,"start_s":5899,"end_s":5900,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},877,"76146","A la altura de Brasil.",4941.84,4942.98,{"idx":5902,"utterance_id":5903,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5904,"start_s":5905,"end_s":5906,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":5907,"topic_label":5908,"target_id":5909,"target_proposition":5910,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5911,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},878,"76147","Y Brasil ha creado una dependencia peligrosísima, lo he dicho, de China.",4943.42,4949,"politica-comercial","Política comercial","6e5115cb-3f5d-4bb6-863f-c6720ed5d51f","diversificar las exportaciones y reducir la dependencia económica excesiva de China","Afirma que la dependencia de China es peligrosísima y pide diversificación.",{"idx":5913,"utterance_id":5914,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5915,"start_s":5916,"end_s":5917,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},879,"76148","Fui empresario.",4949.76,4950.6,{"idx":5919,"utterance_id":5920,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5921,"start_s":5922,"end_s":5923,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},880,"76149","Lo último que querría es tener un cliente que comprara la mitad de lo que yo vendía.",4950.74,4956.58,{"idx":5925,"utterance_id":5926,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5927,"start_s":5928,"end_s":5929,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":5907,"topic_label":5908,"target_id":5909,"target_proposition":5910,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1633,"rationale":5930,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},881,"76150","Brasil se está quedando en manos de... Tenemos que diversificar más nuestras exportaciones en el mundo.",4957.28,4962.82,"Repite que Brasil debe diversificar más sus exportaciones en el mundo.",{"idx":5932,"utterance_id":5933,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5934,"start_s":5935,"end_s":5936,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},882,"76151","China es importantísima, merece ser tratada con alfombra roja, pero está creando una dependencia.",4963.12,4969.54,{"idx":5938,"utterance_id":5939,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5940,"start_s":5941,"end_s":5942,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":5907,"topic_label":5908,"target_id":5943,"target_proposition":5944,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":5945,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},883,"76152","Luego viene China e invade aquí con algunos productos y Brasil no consigue decir que no.",4969.82,4975.58,"d551faee-0925-4d64-80e6-30163e914e26","proteger la producción nacional de cacao frente a la competencia de importaciones","Critica la 'invasão' de productos y dice que Brasil no puede decir no.",{"idx":5947,"utterance_id":5948,"speaker_name":238,"text":5949,"start_s":5950,"end_s":5951,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":5952,"target_proposition":5953,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":5954,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},884,"76153","Entonces, es necesario... Pero es que las sanciones están viniendo de Estados Unidos.",4975.96,4978.66,"3095a383-fd19-4e98-96b8-2e30ee94d7f0","imponer sanciones económicas contra sectores extranjeros","Informa que las sanciones provienen de Estados Unidos, sin proponer ninguna acción.",{"idx":5956,"utterance_id":5957,"speaker_name":238,"text":5958,"start_s":5959,"end_s":5960,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},885,"76154","Quería mantener ese foco.",4978.72,4980.12,{"idx":5962,"utterance_id":5963,"speaker_name":238,"text":5964,"start_s":5965,"end_s":5966,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},886,"76155","¿Candidato?",4980.36,4980.96,{"idx":5968,"utterance_id":5969,"speaker_name":238,"text":5970,"start_s":5971,"end_s":5972,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":5952,"target_proposition":5953,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":5973,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},887,"76156","Estados Unidos está tomando decisiones de carácter político contra diversos sectores.",4981.74,4987.7,"afirma que los EE. UU. toman decisiones políticas contra sectores, relato descriptivo.",{"idx":5975,"utterance_id":5976,"speaker_name":238,"text":5977,"start_s":5978,"end_s":5979,"word_count":400,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":5980,"target_proposition":5981,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":5982,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},888,"76157","Quiero entender en qué usted está dispuesto a ceder para negociar con Estados Unidos y cómo va a reaccionar.",4988.18,4997.1,"e413929b-609e-471f-8ede-4c7cb880358e","negociar un acuerdo con el gobierno de los Estados Unidos","pregunta sobre la disposición a ceder y reaccionar, no se posiciona.",{"idx":5984,"utterance_id":5985,"speaker_name":238,"text":5986,"start_s":5987,"end_s":5988,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":5989,"target_proposition":5990,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":5991,"rationale":5992,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},889,"76158","¿Considera usted normal esa injerencia política aquí en Brasil?",4997.5,5001.04,"bd0a22bb-6c78-40e5-9dda-d3de1e3b6920","aceptar o evaluar interferencia política externa en situaciones específicas",0.55,"pregunta si él considera normal la interferencia política, no opina.",{"idx":5994,"utterance_id":5995,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5996,"start_s":5997,"end_s":5998,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},890,"76159","Natuza, cuando este problema empezó a surgir el año pasado, si no me equivoco fue en abril, mayo de 2025, yo aún era gobernador.",5002.5,5012.82,{"idx":6000,"utterance_id":6001,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6002,"start_s":6003,"end_s":6004,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},891,"76160","Lula se quedó aquí calladito.",5014.6,5017.34,{"idx":6006,"utterance_id":6007,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6008,"start_s":6009,"end_s":6010,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":6011,"topic_label":6012,"target_id":6013,"target_proposition":6014,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":6015,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},892,"76161","Si el segundo mayor socio comercial de Brasil hablara, yo estoy aquí cuestionando, voy a hacer esto, lo primero que habría hecho como presidente habría sido coger un avión e ir allí personalmente a hablar, vine aquí para resolver.",5018.04,5033.18,"relacoes-intergovernamentais","Relaciones intergubernamentales","b2014c5f-5bf2-44e5-86d4-ee389badd073","realizar negociaciones diplomáticas directas con socios comerciales","declara que habría ido personalmente al socio para resolver, acción explícita.",{"idx":6017,"utterance_id":6018,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6019,"start_s":6020,"end_s":6021,"word_count":195,"topic_slug":6011,"topic_label":6012,"target_id":6013,"target_proposition":6014,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":6022,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},893,"76162","Él nunca hizo eso.",5033.68,5034.58,"critica que otro no fue; defiende que él habría ido personalmente.",{"idx":6024,"utterance_id":6025,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6026,"start_s":6027,"end_s":6028,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},894,"76163","Nunca.",5035.78,5036.12,{"idx":6030,"utterance_id":6031,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6032,"start_s":6033,"end_s":6034,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":5907,"topic_label":5908,"target_id":6035,"target_proposition":6036,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":6037,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},895,"76164","Cuando tienes un buen cliente... Lo acompañas.",5036.9,5040.42,"eb57b91f-c28a-4ae6-8ef9-62f0fd82554e","mantener relación cercana con los principales socios comerciales","afirma 'quando você tem um cliente bom... você acompanha ele', defensa implícita.",{"idx":6039,"utterance_id":6040,"speaker_name":238,"text":6041,"start_s":6042,"end_s":6043,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},896,"76165","Pero ahora las sanciones ya están ahí.",5040.6,5042.12,{"idx":6045,"utterance_id":6046,"speaker_name":238,"text":6047,"start_s":6048,"end_s":6049,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},897,"76166","¿Qué haría usted, si fuera presidente?",5042.24,5044.44,{"idx":6051,"utterance_id":6052,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6053,"start_s":6054,"end_s":6055,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":6011,"topic_label":6012,"target_id":6013,"target_proposition":6014,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":6056,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},898,"76167","Iré allí las veces que sean necesarias, junto con los sectores involucrados, para conversar con el presidente, con los parlamentarios y hacer lo que sea mejor para Brasil.",5044.88,5060.04,"promete ir las veces que sean necesarias, negociaciones presenciales explícitas.",{"idx":6058,"utterance_id":6059,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6060,"start_s":6061,"end_s":6062,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},899,"76168","Ahora, candidato.",5060.22,5060.84,{"idx":6064,"utterance_id":6065,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6066,"start_s":6067,"end_s":6068,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":6069,"target_proposition":6070,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":6071,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},900,"76169","Y también empezar a ver qué puede hacer Brasil en cuanto a sanciones.",5061.38,5066.62,"f1968ceb-c6c8-45e4-8ca9-f57b5326f397","adoptar represalias económicas contra países extranjeros","afirma empezar a ver qué sanciones Brasil podría aplicar, propuesta explícita.",{"idx":6073,"utterance_id":6074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6075,"start_s":6076,"end_s":6077,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":6078,"target_proposition":6079,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":6080,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},901,"76170","No vamos a ser... capachos de Estados Unidos, ni de nadie.",5066.98,5071.04,"51a951d0-bec7-464d-89cf-07c4dada7352","resistir a presiones y no ser sumiso en las relaciones bilaterales","declara 'não vamos ser capachos', defiende una postura asertiva.",{"idx":6082,"utterance_id":6083,"speaker_name":238,"text":6084,"start_s":6085,"end_s":6086,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},902,"76171","Disculpe, ¿entonces usted retaliaría?",5071.12,5074.5,{"idx":6088,"utterance_id":6089,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6090,"start_s":6091,"end_s":6092,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},903,"76172","Ciertamente.",5075.62,5076.34,{"idx":6094,"utterance_id":6095,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6096,"start_s":6097,"end_s":6098,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":6099,"target_proposition":6100,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":6101,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},904,"76173","En aquello que esté a nuestro alcance, hablaré.",5076.62,5078.76,"7d4923bd-d9df-47e1-aa8f-bd7f0f63a10c","adoptar represalias económicas dentro de la capacidad nacional","dice que actuará 'naquilo que tiver o nosso alcance', promete reacciones limitadas.",{"idx":6103,"utterance_id":6104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6105,"start_s":6106,"end_s":6107,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},905,"76174","No, espere, ustedes tienen tanta facilidad aquí, no, no es así como funciona la cosa.",5078.82,5084.2,{"idx":6109,"utterance_id":6110,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6111,"start_s":6112,"end_s":6113,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},906,"76175","Todo tiene límites.",5084.78,5085.82,{"idx":6115,"utterance_id":6116,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6117,"start_s":6118,"end_s":6119,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},907,"76176","Ahora hay que recordar que allá, en Estados Unidos, tenemos a un presidente impredecible y algo fanfarrón.",5086.32,5093.34,{"idx":6121,"utterance_id":6122,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6123,"start_s":6124,"end_s":6125,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},908,"76177","Que es una persona que está causando ahí... turbulencias en buena parte del mundo y que pronto probablemente ya no estará allí más.",5094.64,5103.2,{"idx":6127,"utterance_id":6128,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6129,"start_s":6130,"end_s":6131,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},909,"76178","Ha causado un exceso de turbulencias.",5103.3,5106.62,{"idx":6133,"utterance_id":6134,"speaker_name":238,"text":6135,"start_s":6136,"end_s":6137,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},910,"76179","Usted habló del gobierno de Lula, pero la familia Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro, llegó a celebrar esas tarifas.",5106.66,5112.4,{"idx":6139,"utterance_id":6140,"speaker_name":238,"text":6141,"start_s":6142,"end_s":6143,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},911,"76180","¿No ve usted ninguna responsabilidad de la familia Bolsonaro en esas tarifas?",5112.44,5115.32,{"idx":6145,"utterance_id":6146,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6147,"start_s":6148,"end_s":6149,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},912,"76181","Con toda certeza.",5116.6,5117.68,{"idx":6151,"utterance_id":6152,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6153,"start_s":6154,"end_s":6155,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},913,"76182","Si él puede y le gusta tanto contribuir, debería haber hecho algo bueno para los brasileños.",5119.36,5126.26,{"idx":6157,"utterance_id":6158,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6147,"start_s":6159,"end_s":6160,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},914,"76183",5126.96,5127.94,{"idx":6162,"utterance_id":6163,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6164,"start_s":6165,"end_s":6166,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},915,"76184","Se quedan ahí echándose la culpa uno al otro.",5128.7,5130.62,{"idx":6168,"utterance_id":6169,"speaker_name":238,"text":6170,"start_s":6171,"end_s":6172,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},916,"76185","Sobre esa represalia, quería entender mejor en qué sector usted podría retaliar a Estados Unidos.",5131.62,5140.92,{"idx":6174,"utterance_id":6175,"speaker_name":238,"text":6176,"start_s":6177,"end_s":6178,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},917,"76186","Porque yo dije, voy a retaliar, voy a ver qué sectores.",5140.96,5144.1,{"idx":6180,"utterance_id":6181,"speaker_name":238,"text":6182,"start_s":6183,"end_s":6184,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},918,"76187","¿Qué sectores usted retaliaría?",5144.16,5145.6,{"idx":6186,"utterance_id":6187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6188,"start_s":6189,"end_s":6190,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},919,"76188","Tenemos que evaluar, no tengo aquí datos, de aquello que Brasil ha",5147.22,5154.26,{"idx":6192,"utterance_id":6193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6194,"start_s":6195,"end_s":6196,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":5907,"topic_label":5908,"target_id":6197,"target_proposition":6198,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":6199,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},920,"76189","comprado a Estados Unidos, hoy, en cantidad, en volumen suficiente, y que podemos empezar a cuestionar teniendo otras alternativas en el mundo.",5154.64,5167.32,"9517718d-3c00-46c3-b9f4-1498366569f2","sustituir importaciones por proveedores alternativos en el mercado internacional","propone evaluar lo que se compra y buscar alternativas alrededor del mundo.",{"idx":6201,"utterance_id":6202,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6203,"start_s":6204,"end_s":6205,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":6011,"topic_label":6012,"target_id":6206,"target_proposition":6207,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":6208,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},921,"76190","Brasil necesita aprender a negociar mejor.",5167.98,5172.48,"d832feb2-66bd-4111-b647-deb66d239879","mejorar la capacidad de negociación internacional","afirma que Brasil necesita aprender a negociar mejor, proposición normativa.",{"idx":6210,"utterance_id":6211,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6212,"start_s":6213,"end_s":6214,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6011,"topic_label":6012,"target_id":6206,"target_proposition":6207,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":6215,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},922,"76191","Negociar es algo que demanda tiempo, que demanda gente capacitada.",5173.42,5179.06,"dice que la negociación demanda tiempo y personal capacitado, defiende inversión.",{"idx":6217,"utterance_id":6218,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6219,"start_s":6220,"end_s":6221,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},923,"76192","No es algo tan simple así.",5179.52,5181.22,{"idx":6223,"utterance_id":6224,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6225,"start_s":6226,"end_s":6227,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},924,"76193","Ah, me dijo que me retaliaría, 'retaliaré aquí'.",5181.3,5182.9,{"idx":6229,"utterance_id":6230,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6231,"start_s":6232,"end_s":6233,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":6011,"topic_label":6012,"target_id":6206,"target_proposition":6207,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":6234,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},925,"76194","Es algo que requiere un análisis mayor y he observado que este gobierno no ha hecho nada en ese sentido.",5183.56,5190.08,"critica al gobierno actual por no analizar\u002Fnegociar adecuadamente, defiende cambio.",{"idx":6236,"utterance_id":6237,"speaker_name":238,"text":6238,"start_s":6239,"end_s":6240,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},926,"76195","¿Cómo actuaría usted en el caso de nuestra embajadora, que tuvo, Maria Luiza Viotti, a quien le revocaron la visa?",5190.2,5197.3,{"idx":6242,"utterance_id":6243,"speaker_name":238,"text":6244,"start_s":6245,"end_s":6246,"word_count":212,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},927,"76196","Ya que usted está hablando de represalias.",5197.58,5198.9,{"idx":6248,"utterance_id":6249,"speaker_name":238,"text":6250,"start_s":6251,"end_s":6252,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},928,"76197","Si usted fuera presidente.",5199.36,5200.36,{"idx":6254,"utterance_id":6255,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6256,"start_s":6257,"end_s":6258,"word_count":400,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},929,"76198","Me parece que esa revocación de su visa, Sadi, fue en virtud de que Brasil no atendió una petición de Estados Unidos, ¿no es así?",5200.5,5210.98,{"idx":6260,"utterance_id":6261,"speaker_name":238,"text":6262,"start_s":6263,"end_s":6264,"word_count":207,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},930,"76199","Pero Estados Unidos tampoco siguió el protocolo de la designación.",5211.64,5215.46,{"idx":6266,"utterance_id":6267,"speaker_name":238,"text":6268,"start_s":6269,"end_s":6270,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},931,"76200","¿Cómo actuaría usted?",5215.78,5216.74,{"idx":6272,"utterance_id":6273,"speaker_name":238,"text":6274,"start_s":6275,"end_s":6276,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},932,"76201","Ya que usted habla de represalias, ¿cuál sería la medida que usted, como presidente de Brasil, tomaría?",5216.78,5222.06,{"idx":6278,"utterance_id":6279,"speaker_name":238,"text":6280,"start_s":6281,"end_s":6282,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},933,"76202","¿Cuál sería la medida?",5222.48,5223.2,{"idx":6284,"utterance_id":6285,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6286,"start_s":6287,"end_s":6288,"word_count":463,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},934,"76203","Por lo que seguí, no se le dio esa renovación de su visa debido a que Estados Unidos quería estar participando aquí, a través de algunas personas, acompañando el proceso electoral, y fue, de cierta manera, impedido.",5224.34,5240.6,{"idx":6290,"utterance_id":6291,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6292,"start_s":6293,"end_s":6294,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":6295,"target_proposition":6296,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":6297,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},935,"76204","Nuestro proceso electoral, lo considero adecuado, puede ser mejorado.",5241.28,5246.1,"5092b29d-1faf-4198-9f5c-93db4cdb0962","permitir la participación de observadores externos en el seguimiento electoral","atribuye la revocación de la visa a cuestionamientos sobre observadores; relata el contexto.",{"idx":6299,"utterance_id":6300,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6301,"start_s":6302,"end_s":6303,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6304,"topic_label":6305,"target_id":6306,"target_proposition":6307,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":6308,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},936,"76205","¿Y por qué no dejar que alguien externo acompañe aquí?",5246.76,5250.24,"processo-eleitoral","Proceso electoral","9f7997a7-9123-47fd-82d7-0f9a1e91ab90","permitir observadores internacionales en el proceso electoral brasileño","pregunta 'por que não deixar alguém externo estar acompanhando?', defiende apertura.",{"idx":6310,"utterance_id":6311,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6312,"start_s":6313,"end_s":6314,"word_count":195,"topic_slug":6304,"topic_label":6305,"target_id":6306,"target_proposition":6307,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":6315,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},937,"76206","No tenemos nada que ocultar.",5250.54,5252.08,"afirma 'não precisamos esconder nada', apoya la transparencia con observadores.",{"idx":6317,"utterance_id":6318,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6319,"start_s":6320,"end_s":6321,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":6304,"topic_label":6305,"target_id":6306,"target_proposition":6307,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1797,"rationale":6322,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},938,"76207","Entonces, juzgo que una vez más fue algo inadecuado del gobierno de Lula y del PT.",5252.96,5258.14,"critica al gobierno por la acción y, en el contexto, defiende apertura a la observación externa.",{"idx":6324,"utterance_id":6325,"speaker_name":238,"text":6326,"start_s":6327,"end_s":6328,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},939,"76208","Y allí, en Estados Unidos, no hay... porque la embajadora es un cargo de... Ella ejerce un cargo de Estado, ya es conocida.",5258.22,5266.98,{"idx":6330,"utterance_id":6331,"speaker_name":238,"text":6332,"start_s":6333,"end_s":6334,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},940,"76209","Actuó en la ONU, es un nombre respetado.",5267.72,5270.98,{"idx":6336,"utterance_id":6337,"speaker_name":238,"text":6338,"start_s":6339,"end_s":6340,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},941,"76210","¿Entonces usted cree que está bien que Estados Unidos actúe de esa manera?",5271.4,5275.2,{"idx":6342,"utterance_id":6343,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6344,"start_s":6345,"end_s":6346,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},942,"76211","Creo que Brasil se equivocó y creo que Estados Unidos también se equivocó.",5275.52,5279.76,{"idx":6348,"utterance_id":6349,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6350,"start_s":6351,"end_s":6352,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":6353,"target_proposition":6354,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":6355,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},943,"76212","Creo que debería, como dije, establecer una mesa de diálogo, de negociación permanente.",5281.04,5288.28,"03b7aa1d-3cbb-4f2c-97c8-6d6840f55d90","negociar con los Estados Unidos en condiciones de igualdad para proteger intereses brasileños","propone 'colocar uma mesa de diálogo, de negociação permanente' explícitamente.",{"idx":6357,"utterance_id":6358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6359,"start_s":6360,"end_s":6361,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},944,"76213","Ahora se queda uno mandando mensajes al otro.",5288.78,5291.26,{"idx":6363,"utterance_id":6364,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6365,"start_s":6366,"end_s":6367,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},945,"76214","Cuando hay una pelea, hay que decir: sentémonos aquí y resolvamos.",5291.98,5295.24,{"idx":6369,"utterance_id":6370,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6371,"start_s":6372,"end_s":6373,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},946,"76215","Se queda uno mandando un mensaje, el otro mandando otro mensaje.",5295.36,5298.76,{"idx":6375,"utterance_id":6376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6377,"start_s":6378,"end_s":6379,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},947,"76216","Lula ya fue allí para poder hablar, ¿yo voy allí para resolver todo esto y me voy a quedar allí uno, dos o tres días?",5299.28,5305.8,{"idx":6381,"utterance_id":6382,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6383,"start_s":6384,"end_s":6385,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},948,"76217","No lo vi.",5306,5306.38,{"idx":6387,"utterance_id":6388,"speaker_name":238,"text":6389,"start_s":6390,"end_s":6391,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},949,"76218","Esa revocación, solo para que recordemos, ocurrió en medio de esta crisis diplomática entre Brasil y Estados Unidos.",5307.86,5313.12,{"idx":6393,"utterance_id":6394,"speaker_name":238,"text":6395,"start_s":6396,"end_s":6397,"word_count":331,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},950,"76219","Y solo para dejarlo muy claro, usted dijo que no hay ningún problema en venir aquí, pero lo que ellos querían al venir era... cuestionar nuestro proceso electoral.",5313.74,5323.04,{"idx":6399,"utterance_id":6400,"speaker_name":238,"text":6401,"start_s":6402,"end_s":6403,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},951,"76220","Por eso le estoy preguntando cuál sería su postura, usted que es un hombre democrático.",5323.08,5328.44,{"idx":6405,"utterance_id":6406,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6407,"start_s":6408,"end_s":6409,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},952,"76221","El que nada debe, nada teme.",5329.72,5331.72,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":6411,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6412,"start_s":6413,"end_s":6414,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3329,"target_proposition":3330,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":6415,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},"76222","En Minas Gerais, donde estuve, quien quiera consultar las cuentas, está todo allí, incluidos los incentivos fiscales que se mencionaron aquí y que, como la mayoría de los estados los mantiene en secreto, creíamos que era correcto mantenerlos.",5332.66,5348.14,"afirma que quien quiera ver las cuentas puede hacerlo y apoya la divulgación.",{"idx":6417,"utterance_id":6418,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6419,"start_s":6420,"end_s":6421,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":3329,"target_proposition":3330,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":6422,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},954,"76223","pero que se divulgó recientemente; estoy a favor.",5348.66,5352.54,"declara explícitamente 'eu sou favorável' a la divulgación ya mencionada.",{"idx":6424,"utterance_id":6425,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6426,"start_s":6427,"end_s":6428,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":215,"topic_label":216,"target_id":6429,"target_proposition":6430,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":6431,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},955,"76224","Se gana incluso más confianza cuando hay verificación externa, auditorías externas.",5353.06,5358.48,"6433253d-6f6c-47df-b258-8e7cf1970719","realizar auditorías externas en las cuentas públicas","defiende la verificación externa y auditorías como generadoras de confianza.",{"idx":6433,"utterance_id":6434,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6435,"start_s":6436,"end_s":6437,"word_count":203,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},956,"76225","Creo que nadie quiere cuestionar nuestro sistema electoral aquí en Brasil.",5359.04,5365,{"idx":6439,"utterance_id":6440,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6441,"start_s":6442,"end_s":6443,"word_count":195,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},957,"76226","Ahora estoy a favor.",5365.64,5366.8,{"idx":6445,"utterance_id":6446,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6447,"start_s":6448,"end_s":6449,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":6304,"topic_label":6305,"target_id":6450,"target_proposition":6451,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":6452,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},958,"76227","Si podemos mejorar, ya que hay algunos cuestionamientos por parte de algunas personas, tipo... ¿Por qué no poner el voto impreso en un determinado porcentaje de las urnas para la posterior verificación?",5366.9,5379.66,"871c395e-0826-406c-9b67-00159b790ece","introducir voto impreso","propone explícitamente colocar voto impreso en un porcentaje de urnas.",{"idx":6454,"utterance_id":6455,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6456,"start_s":6457,"end_s":6458,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":6304,"topic_label":6305,"target_id":6450,"target_proposition":6451,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":6459,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},959,"76228","Quitaría la duda de aquellos que están cuestionando.",5379.96,5382.6,"afirma que la medida 'tiraria a dúvida', reforzando el apoyo a la propuesta.",{"idx":6461,"utterance_id":6462,"speaker_name":238,"text":6463,"start_s":6464,"end_s":6465,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},960,"76229","Candidato, hemos llegado al final de nuestra entrevista.",5382.78,5386.2,{"idx":6467,"utterance_id":6468,"speaker_name":238,"text":6469,"start_s":6470,"end_s":6471,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},961,"76230","Señor, ¿tiene un minuto para las consideraciones finales?",5386.24,5390.06,{"idx":6473,"utterance_id":6474,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6475,"start_s":6476,"end_s":6477,"word_count":43,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},962,"76231","Bueno, primero quiero agradecerles la oportunidad de estar aquí y recordar a los brasileños que nosotros... Hemos vivido en un país que ha dejado mucho que desear.",5390.82,5403.96,{"idx":6479,"utterance_id":6480,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6481,"start_s":6482,"end_s":6483,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":6484,"target_proposition":6485,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":6486,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},963,"76232","El brasileño hoy quizás nunca ha estado tan endeudado.",5404.56,5408,"2564dfe6-6bbb-4c34-aea2-63ec029d9efe","reducir el endeudamiento de las familias brasileñas","informa sobre el elevado endeudamiento de los brasileños, sin proponer solución inmediata.",{"idx":6488,"utterance_id":6489,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6490,"start_s":6491,"end_s":6492,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":6493,"target_proposition":6494,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1593,"rationale":6495,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},964,"76233","Y Brasil tiene recursos infinitos, tierras para la agricultura, energía renovable, un pueblo trabajador, un buen clima.",5408.86,5418.2,"a496f008-b59c-4c41-b0ec-02af2e9b4c32","explorar el potencial agrícola y de energía renovable para el desarrollo económico","enumera recursos y potencial de Brasil, descripción de ventajas económicas.",{"idx":6497,"utterance_id":6498,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6499,"start_s":6500,"end_s":6501,"word_count":172,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},965,"76234","El problema de Brasil no es la falta de recursos.",5418.86,5422.64,{"idx":6503,"utterance_id":6504,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6505,"start_s":6506,"end_s":6507,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":6508,"target_proposition":6509,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":6510,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},966,"76235","El problema de Brasil es que sobran ladrones.",5422.68,5425.64,"7ba45e4f-6236-44ab-80a1-5a98cbf9f09d","combatir la corrupción en la administración estatal","afirma que el problema de Brasil es 'sobra de ladrão', implicando combatir la corrupción.",{"idx":6512,"utterance_id":6513,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6514,"start_s":6515,"end_s":6516,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":6508,"target_proposition":6509,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":6517,"indexable":316,"job_id":184},967,"76236","Y yo, como gobernador, goberné durante siete años y medio, sin ningún escándalo, sin ninguna corrupción.",5426.74,5434.54,"reclama una gestión sin escándalos en primera persona, defendiendo la lucha anticorrupción.",{"idx":6519,"utterance_id":6520,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6521,"start_s":6522,"end_s":6523,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":6508,"target_proposition":6509,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1665,"rationale":6524,"indexable":242,"job_id":184},968,"76237","Y eso hoy es el mayor tumor de Brasil.",5435.14,5438.4,"califica la corrupción de 'maior tumor', reforzando la prioridad contra la 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