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which underwent a rebranding — it was renamed, becoming a legal framework for combating organized crime.",26.1,45.06,51,{"idx":137,"utterance_id":138,"speaker_name":69,"text":139,"start_s":140,"end_s":141,"word_count":142,"indexable":73},11,"19892","And yesterday, you, right-wing governors, met in the so-called Consórcio da Paz, met with the president of the Chamber of Deputies, Hugo Mota, and asked for the postponement of that bill.",45.16,55.22,27,{"idx":72,"utterance_id":144,"speaker_name":69,"text":145,"start_s":146,"end_s":147,"word_count":148,"indexable":73},"19893","I want to know why, if it is a bill reported by someone you trust, of your closest confidence, who is someone from the conservative camp like Guilherme Derrit, it did not obtain the support of the right-wing governors.",55.62,67.28,38,{"idx":150,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":69,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":88,"indexable":73},13,"19894","Why, 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