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Oh, no, Simone is a ruralist and so on.",669.7,672.26,{"idx":948,"utterance_id":949,"speaker_name":8,"text":950,"start_s":951,"end_s":952,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},148,"80829","I mean, what is this farmer side, the agro side, like with you?",672.3,676.48,{"idx":954,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},149,"80830","I have rural properties, I will not deny my essence.",676.76,679.86,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},150,"80831","I think... What happened to Brazil?",681.84,684.88,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},151,"80832","I think these are prejudices.",684.98,686.22,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},152,"80833","Since my whole life I've been a centrist, my whole life I was more center-left on the human rights agenda.",686.26,692.34,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},153,"80834","Because, well, even by my mother's religious principles, it couldn't be different.",692.44,698.24,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},154,"80835","The Catholic Church preaches a lot about fraternity, about solidarity.",698.5,701.68,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},155,"80836","So it's not enough to go to church and not practice it in daily life.",701.72,705.42,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},156,"80837","So I always have that.",705.9,707.4,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},157,"80838","My father also had that a lot.",707.48,708.76,{"idx":1008,"utterance_id":1009,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1010,"start_s":1011,"end_s":1012,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},158,"80839","So I've always had a lot of synergy with the left, with the agenda of social rights.",709.1,712.98,{"idx":1014,"utterance_id":1015,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1016,"start_s":1017,"end_s":1018,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},159,"80840","That was very clear to me.",713.46,714.52,{"idx":1020,"utterance_id":1021,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1022,"start_s":1023,"end_s":1024,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},160,"80841","On the economic agenda, perhaps center-right.",714.84,717.54,{"idx":1026,"utterance_id":1027,"speaker_name":8,"text":1028,"start_s":1029,"end_s":1030,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},161,"80842","Liberal, liberal thinking.",718.68,719.82,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},162,"80843","There is also a difference in liberalism, because I think, like this, we cannot, looking to the future, kill the present.",720.78,725.4,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":63,"indexable":13},163,"80844","I never accepted, in the name of the child who hasn't been born, killing the future of the child who is being born now.",725.56,730.36,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":99,"topic_slug":1049,"topic_label":1050,"target_id":1051,"target_proposition":1052,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1053,"rationale":1054,"indexable":249},164,"80845","So I can never, in the name of a fiscal measure, take away any right from a citizen who is living today and who needs it.",730.84,738.54,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Fiscal and Social Policy","2c3a9ad1-05c6-41e6-ae2f-566ba31f9452","Combine social policies with fiscal responsibility",0.82,"says she will not accept 'tirar qualquer direito' in the name of fiscal adjustment.",{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},165,"80846","And it's possible that Brazil is very rich.",738.68,740.3,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},166,"80847","Brazil's problems fit within the Brazilian budget.",741.24,743.64,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":1073,"topic_label":1074,"target_id":1075,"target_proposition":1076,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":1077,"indexable":249},167,"80848","The problem is for us to cut waste, fraud, errors, stop eating the stones.",744.14,748.18,"politica-monetaria","Monetary Policy","2c057cb7-7f9d-4fb5-a396-d51336cb212a","reduce waste, fraud, and improper spending in the public budget","advocates cutting waste, fraud, and excesses in public spending.",{"idx":1079,"utterance_id":1080,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1081,"start_s":1082,"end_s":1083,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},168,"80849","Parliamentarians' perks, excessive salaries.",748.22,751.24,{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},169,"80850","So you can spend, cut excesses.",751.44,754.78,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},170,"80851","This is not about fiscalism, this is about the essence of the Constitution itself.",755.12,758.28,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},171,"80852","The money is public, it's not 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think, is... That's it.",777.4,780.22,{"idx":1118,"utterance_id":1119,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1120,"start_s":1121,"end_s":1122,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},174,"80855","It used to be like that: either you are left or you are right in Brazil.",780.36,782.4,{"idx":1124,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},175,"80856","As if you couldn't have many shades of gray.",782.54,784.94,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},176,"80857","As if you couldn't move between them comfortably.",785.48,788.04,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":173,"indexable":13},177,"80858","And I think later, Brazil went so far to the extreme right, so far to the extreme right, that I think the democratic field widened.",788.58,795.84,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},178,"80859","So today people look at me and say no.",795.88,797.98,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},179,"80860","She is from the democratic field, she discusses sovereignty, she puts human rights and social rights first, even having a somewhat more fiscal agenda.",798.82,806.92,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},180,"80861","But, again, this fiscalism has many versions.",807.36,809.92,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},181,"80862","I will never be a fiscal hawk like Paulo Guedes, who came with scissors in his hand and stood there.",810,815.02,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":8,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},182,"80863","And sells everything.",815.18,816.34,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},183,"80864","Privatization.",816.76,817.54,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":99,"topic_slug":1183,"topic_label":1184,"target_id":1185,"target_proposition":1186,"stance":1187,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":1188,"indexable":13},184,"80865","Concessions of highways in São Paulo were good, but the privatization of Sabesp, of the rail line, of Enel, is terrible.",818.18,825.82,"venda-de-patrimonio-publico","Sale of Public Assets","671c0339-fc64-43bb-aa01-e80b45757b07","privatize Banco do Brasil","ambiguo","praises concessions but criticizes the privatizations of Sabesp, train lines, and Enel.",{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},185,"80866","So, I think virtue is always in the middle, right?",826.16,829.04,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},186,"80867","The privatization of telephony was good under Fernando Henrique, but the same Fernando Henrique privatization of the railways was horrible.",829.64,836.44,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":1207,"topic_label":1208,"target_id":1209,"target_proposition":1210,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":1212,"indexable":249},187,"80868","Today Brazil is the only continental country in the world that doesn't have railways running from north to south because it wasn't nationalized and because of the way it was carried out without any commitment from the private sector to the development of Brazil.",836.88,851.1,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infrastructure and Sanitation","ff7346ea-9ba0-4d07-8f73-4360cf66f6cb","expand and integrate national railways",0.85,"points out the absence of integrated railways and criticizes the model that prevented their expansion.",{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},188,"80869","So, I think that, the tucanos created that.",851.86,854.8,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},189,"80870","In the past, it was 880.",855,856.2,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},190,"80871","Today, it has changed a 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right?",871.54,872.3,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},195,"80876","We're recording here.",872.5,874.28,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},196,"80877","Can you say that we're recording?",874.32,875.46,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},197,"80878","For example, in the 1990s, when some weren't even born, I did a two-year master's degree.",875.54,881.36,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},198,"80879","here at PUC in São 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1990s.",889.9,897.06,{"idx":1304,"utterance_id":1305,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1306,"start_s":1307,"end_s":1308,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},203,"80884","So, I think there's a bit of that.",897.24,899.74,{"idx":1310,"utterance_id":1311,"speaker_name":8,"text":1312,"start_s":1313,"end_s":1314,"word_count":161,"indexable":13},204,"80885","By the way, your running-mate here, Marina, actually she... tries to convey the idea that sustainability is good for the agricultural producer.",899.78,906.92,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":1321,"topic_label":1322,"target_id":1323,"target_proposition":1324,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":1325,"indexable":249},205,"80886","And it is. If you don't preserve the water sources, you don't plant, you don't have water, you don't harvest, you don't make a profit and you don't put food on the Brazilian people's table.",907,917.46,"politica-ambiental","Environmental Policy","4818d60e-94c7-441a-b966-309d49787aa5","preserve water sources and promote sustainable agricultural practices","says that without preserving water sources there is no planting or agricultural production.",{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},206,"80887","Although most of, I've always said this, always, most of the food we produce, the big agribusiness, exports.",917.5,925.68,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},207,"80888","Those who really put food, at least 70%, because animal protein is the big agribusiness.",925.8,931.1,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},208,"80889","meat and such.",931.88,932.46,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},209,"80890","But when we talk about food, fruits and vegetables, produce, beans, the basic foods like cassava, potato, right?",932.9,941.3,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":1356,"topic_label":1357,"target_id":1358,"target_proposition":1359,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":1360,"indexable":249},210,"80891","Who puts food on the Brazilian people's table is family farming.",941.6,944.4,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","Agriculture & Agribusiness","b3dd21fc-9d13-4dd2-9a62-3791d33ec090","strengthen agriculture","says family farming 'coloca comida na mesa' — an explicit defense of the sector.",{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":8,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},211,"80892","So you were never part of the so-called ruralist caucus.",944.78,947.7,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":8,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},212,"80893","You are a person who owns property, who defends agribusiness, but did you or did you not place yourself in the so-called ruralist caucus?",947.78,953.96,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":8,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},213,"80894","At moments.",954.38,955.22,{"idx":1380,"utterance_id":1381,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1382,"start_s":1383,"end_s":1384,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},214,"80895","No, I was part of the parliamentary front to bring common sense to the parliamentary front.",955.26,959.32,{"idx":1386,"utterance_id":1387,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1388,"start_s":1389,"end_s":1390,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},215,"80896","And I think that's there in the record.",959.74,962.06,{"idx":1392,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":1397,"topic_label":1398,"target_id":1399,"target_proposition":1400,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":668,"rationale":1401,"indexable":249},216,"80897","For example, I managed to get a bill approved unanimously regarding the demarcation of indigenous areas.",962.6,969.88,"terras-indigenas","Indigenous Lands","671cd6d3-2827-48af-b7aa-1199c6c493a0","Regularize and demarcate indigenous lands and marine areas","claims to have had a demarcation bill approved unanimously.",{"idx":1403,"utterance_id":1404,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1405,"start_s":1406,"end_s":1407,"word_count":680,"topic_slug":1321,"topic_label":1322,"target_id":1408,"target_proposition":1409,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":1410,"indexable":249},217,"80898","The big problem with marking indigenous areas, if you ask Soninha Guajajara, my fellow minister, or any chief of any village in Brazil, I lived with many of them, except in the Amazon, because I don't know the reality of the original peoples in the Amazon, which are two very distinct realities — what I'm about to say doesn't apply there, because there it is public land and compensation doesn't apply, the land belongs to the Union, therefore it is the right of indigenous peoples, period; you can't mine, you can't try to... expand the deforestation arc there, because I have to preserve the Amazon rainforest.",970.92,1005.62,"918daaa3-b0f6-47ef-8845-ef7b78260ed2","implement strict preservation restrictions in the Amazon","says 'não pode minerar' and calls to preserve the forest and limit deforestation.",{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":203,"indexable":13},218,"80899","But in the rest of the country, since we didn't do our homework when the Constitution was promulgated in '88, the Constitution gave us five years to demarcate indigenous areas.",1005.7,1014.48,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},219,"80900","We didn't demarcate.",1014.96,1015.78,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":51,"topic_slug":1397,"topic_label":1398,"target_id":1399,"target_proposition":1400,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":1429,"indexable":13},220,"80901","There was an omission by the Brazilian State.",1015.94,1017.52,"criticizes state omission and says the constitutional deadline was not met — defends demarcation.",{"idx":1431,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},221,"80902","It should have done that and it didn't.",1017.56,1018.98,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},222,"80903","Five years went by, it didn't do it.",1019.42,1020.74,{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1445,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1447,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},223,"80904","Five more years went by, and we're still discussing demarcation, temporal framework.",1020.82,1024.14,{"idx":1449,"utterance_id":1450,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1451,"start_s":1452,"end_s":1453,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},224,"80905","We could forget that.",1024.46,1025.72,{"idx":1455,"utterance_id":1456,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1457,"start_s":1458,"end_s":1459,"word_count":173,"topic_slug":1397,"topic_label":1398,"target_id":1399,"target_proposition":1400,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":1460,"indexable":249},225,"80906","And say the following: in any area that has an anthropological study, any area that is confirmed to belong to indigenous peoples, simply give it to the indigenous peoples.",1026,1035.46,"proposes that areas proven by anthropological study be given to indigenous peoples.",{"idx":1462,"utterance_id":1463,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1464,"start_s":1465,"end_s":1466,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":1467,"topic_label":1468,"target_id":1469,"target_proposition":1470,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":1471,"indexable":249},226,"80907","But those who acted in good faith, have title and bought that area and have been producing for 30 years and the area is productive — compensate them.",1035.7,1042.48,"regularizacao-fundiaria","Land Regularization","dbaa0940-795e-4f19-b27b-f9ab1ae09bdd","compensate good-faith owners in Indigenous land demarcation proceedings","advocates paying compensation (a public debt instrument) to those who bought in good faith and have produced for decades.",{"idx":1473,"utterance_id":1474,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1475,"start_s":1476,"end_s":1477,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},227,"80908","Pay with public debt bonds and carry out the compensation.",1042.58,1045.98,{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},228,"80909","If you ask this, again, excluding areas considered public or occupied by land grabbers.",1046.72,1051.28,{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},229,"80910","I'm talking about someone who bought in good faith, who is producing.",1051.78,1054.88,{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},230,"80911","I got it approved unanimously.",1055.66,1057.84,{"idx":1497,"utterance_id":1498,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1499,"start_s":1500,"end_s":1501,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},231,"80912","The parliamentary front got angry with me in the Senate, with support from the Sustainability Network, with support from PT in the Senate, when I was a senator.",1058.18,1064.74,{"idx":1503,"utterance_id":1504,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1505,"start_s":1506,"end_s":1507,"word_count":179,"indexable":13},232,"80913","When I went to the Chamber of Deputies, I went to negotiate with the front; the front said, no, Bolsonaro is going to win and we're going to bury this bill.",1064.84,1071.62,{"idx":1509,"utterance_id":1510,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1511,"start_s":1512,"end_s":1513,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},233,"80914","And they didn't push it forward.",1071.72,1072.94,{"idx":1515,"utterance_id":1516,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1517,"start_s":1518,"end_s":1519,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":1397,"topic_label":1398,"target_id":1399,"target_proposition":1400,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":1520,"indexable":249},234,"80915","Long story short, we barely manage to carry out one, two, three demarcations of indigenous areas per year in Brazil.",1073.36,1078.8,"says today one or a few demarcations are done per year and that we could do 15 — a clear call to accelerate.",{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},235,"80916","We could be doing 15.",1078.84,1080.26,{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},236,"80917","We could have already solved this problem in recent years.",1080.44,1084.58,{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},237,"80918","Again, it's not about... It's about justice, it's about saying what's in the Constitution.",1084.86,1088.56,{"idx":1540,"utterance_id":1541,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1542,"start_s":1543,"end_s":1544,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},238,"80919","The Constitution assumed we would do our homework and we didn't.",1089.12,1093.4,{"idx":1546,"utterance_id":1547,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1548,"start_s":1549,"end_s":1550,"word_count":173,"indexable":13},239,"80920","So, for those who have been there 30 years, and it's important to say this: when we do a demarcation we take both the large and the very small.",1093.52,1101.78,{"idx":1552,"utterance_id":1553,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1554,"start_s":1555,"end_s":1556,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},240,"80921","We're talking about people who have 20 alqueires, 30 alqueires, 50 alqueires, families that sometimes end up on the street.",1101.82,1108.28,{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":36,"topic_slug":1467,"topic_label":1468,"target_id":1469,"target_proposition":1470,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1563,"rationale":1564,"indexable":13},241,"80922","So you compensate them and remove them.",1108.72,1109.92,0.86,"explicitly says 'você indeniza' when addressing affected small landowners.",{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":123,"topic_slug":1397,"topic_label":1398,"target_id":1399,"target_proposition":1400,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":1571,"indexable":249},242,"80923","If you ask any chief, he will say, 'I don't care, I want the land.'",1109.98,1115.4,"reports that local bosses say they prefer land instead of compensation — a description of others' position.",{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":56,"topic_slug":441,"topic_label":442,"target_id":1578,"target_proposition":1579,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1563,"rationale":1580,"indexable":249},243,"80924","So, for me, this discussion is one that only harms minorities, because the majorities, you know this, the parliamentary fronts, whether the pro-gun front, or agriculture,",1116.12,1130.62,"0d06e335-8542-4a06-bbf0-5f9e06b52b1c","protect minority rights in the decisions of the National Congress","says the discussion harms minorities and that majority parliamentary fronts predominate.",{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},244,"80925","etc.,",1130.68,1130.78,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},245,"80926","livestock, agribusiness,",1131.06,1132.6,{"idx":1594,"utterance_id":1595,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1584,"start_s":1596,"end_s":1597,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},246,"80927",1132.64,1132.72,{"idx":1599,"utterance_id":1600,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1601,"start_s":1602,"end_s":1603,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},247,"80928","they are always the majority within Congress.",1133.06,1135.2,{"idx":1605,"utterance_id":1606,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1607,"start_s":1608,"end_s":1609,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},248,"80929","So, if we don't move forward, we only harm the people who need it the most.",1135.48,1139.5,{"idx":1611,"utterance_id":1612,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1613,"start_s":1614,"end_s":1615,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},249,"80930","So, I think it's that balance, Tux, that I say, I can't fit in.",1139.9,1143.74,{"idx":1617,"utterance_id":1618,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1619,"start_s":1620,"end_s":1621,"word_count":262,"indexable":13},250,"80931","Whether it's right or left, I say I'm centrist, because I dialogue with the left; I just can't dialogue with the far right, because it doesn't listen to us, it insults me, it doesn't tolerate me.",1144.48,1154.36,{"idx":1623,"utterance_id":1624,"speaker_name":8,"text":1625,"start_s":1626,"end_s":1627,"word_count":173,"indexable":13},251,"80932","I also position myself as a centrist; sometimes people get mad, like on our channel, 'how can you say you're centrist?','252':'Sometimes it seems like you're offending some people.",1154.4,1159.8,{"idx":1629,"utterance_id":1630,"speaker_name":8,"text":1631,"start_s":1632,"end_s":1633,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},252,"80933","Sometimes it seems like you're offending some people.",1160.16,1162.02,{"idx":1635,"utterance_id":1636,"speaker_name":8,"text":1637,"start_s":1638,"end_s":1639,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},253,"80934","And I think President Lula is a centrist president, but we'll get to that point too.",1162.54,1166.8,{"idx":1641,"utterance_id":1642,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1643,"start_s":1644,"end_s":1645,"word_count":179,"indexable":13},254,"80935","I think he is leftist, but he knows he governs in a democracy whose electorate today is more conservative on some issues, less on others.",1166.84,1176.86,{"idx":1647,"utterance_id":1648,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1649,"start_s":1650,"end_s":1651,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},255,"80936","So, he has an absurd emotional intelligence.",1176.92,1179.78,{"idx":1653,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},256,"80937","Well outside the norm.",1181.42,1182.26,{"idx":1659,"utterance_id":1660,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1661,"start_s":1662,"end_s":1663,"word_count":123,"indexable":13},257,"80938","The president — he learned from pain, he learned from work, he learned on the factory floor, right?",1182.34,1187.88,{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},258,"80939","So, as a person he is leftist, but as president of the republic he is a centrist president.",1188.3,1194.7,{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":8,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},259,"80940","As he was a union leader, as he struck a balance between capital and labor.",1194.98,1197.66,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":8,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},260,"80941","He knows how to negotiate, how to talk, he knows that otherwise nothing moves forward.",1197.7,1200.28,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":8,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},261,"80942","He is a tightrope-walker in many cases.",1200.4,1202.26,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":8,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},262,"80943","But let's get to a point, I mean, many people knew you from the political scene.",1202.76,1206.8,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":8,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},263,"80944","But you became nationally known when you ran for President of the Republic, right?",1207.26,1211.88,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":8,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},264,"80945","Why did you make that decision in the 2022 election, right?",1212.56,1216.18,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":8,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},265,"80946","And how did you decide to support President Lula?",1217.14,1219.58,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},266,"80947","When I was in the second half of my term as senator, Bolsonaro won the election.",1220.48,1226.4,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},267,"80948","And he won with a platform absolutely contrary to mine.",1226.68,1229.56,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":339,"topic_slug":1730,"topic_label":1731,"target_id":1732,"target_proposition":1733,"stance":1734,"stance_confidence":1735,"rationale":1736,"indexable":249},268,"80949","Because although... coming from a more conservative state, I am against the pro-arms agenda, I always have been as a woman, again, as a Christian I can't help it — I believe the State is secular, but a person can't help who they are; this is my essence, my upbringing, even my humanism comes from my religious convictions.",1230.28,1249.78,"politica-de-armas","Weapons Policy","308ddb6d-1180-447c-8a08-c8f6c6fd6e0e","Allow carrying and possession of firearms for the population","contra",0.92,"explicitly declares 'sou contra a pauta armamentista'.",{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":292,"topic_slug":1321,"topic_label":1322,"target_id":1743,"target_proposition":1744,"stance":1734,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":1745,"indexable":249},269,"80950","So, I'm against the deforestation agenda, I went after that whole passaboi story, because as you said, it's not just about preserving our biomes, it's a matter of the survival of humanity itself and of agribusiness itself.",1250.28,1264.98,"fb837866-6a88-4ef7-86ab-efb6797e7c73","relax environmental licensing","declares to be 'contra a pauta desmatamento' and criticizes practices like 'passaboi'.",{"idx":1747,"utterance_id":1748,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1749,"start_s":1750,"end_s":1751,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":1752,"topic_label":1753,"target_id":1754,"target_proposition":1755,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":1756,"indexable":249},270,"80951","His misogynistic agenda, his prejudiced agenda — I always was very, I started to push back a lot.",1265.46,1271.08,"direitos-das-mulheres","Women's Rights","01905c22-99f0-48e7-be49-ca46633cad73","combat misogyny in politics","criticizes the opponent's 'pauta misógina' and says she confronted it publicly.",{"idx":1758,"utterance_id":1759,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1760,"start_s":1761,"end_s":1762,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},271,"80952","When Christmas came, in the third, in the fifth year, in Bolsonaro's first year, I told my husband.",1271.5,1278.78,{"idx":1764,"utterance_id":1765,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1766,"start_s":1767,"end_s":1768,"word_count":228,"indexable":13},272,"80953","At Christmas, there were three years left, I'm going back home, because I'm heading into a very strong clash, to a more conservative state, and I don't want to go, I won't change my essence.",1278.86,1290.14,{"idx":1770,"utterance_id":1771,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1772,"start_s":1773,"end_s":1774,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},273,"80954","And he said, that's fine.",1290.68,1291.62,{"idx":1776,"utterance_id":1777,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1778,"start_s":1779,"end_s":1780,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},274,"80955","Then the Covid CPI came, and I gained some national prominence.",1293.46,1296.48,{"idx":1782,"utterance_id":1783,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1784,"start_s":1785,"end_s":1786,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},275,"80956","MDB was very divided between Lula and Bolsonaro.",1296.86,1299.66,{"idx":1788,"utterance_id":1789,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1790,"start_s":1791,"end_s":1792,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},276,"80957","The party president... very honest with me, said, 'Simone, you won't have anyone's support if you run, but we need your candidacy so the party doesn't split.'",1300.34,1308.72,{"idx":1794,"utterance_id":1795,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1796,"start_s":1797,"end_s":1798,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},277,"80958","If it goes to the executive, they might even side with Bolsonaro, we have 55%.",1309.18,1312.88,{"idx":1800,"utterance_id":1801,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1802,"start_s":1803,"end_s":1804,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},278,"80959","I mean, in the sense that some wanted to be with Bolsonaro, but 45% of the executive and our colleagues wanted to be with Lula.",1314.22,1321.36,{"idx":1806,"utterance_id":1807,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1808,"start_s":1809,"end_s":1810,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},279,"80960","So the party would split; the party's independence doesn't add up, because we'll lose parliamentarians; they wanted you to be the candidate.",1321.74,1328.3,{"idx":1812,"utterance_id":1813,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1814,"start_s":1815,"end_s":1816,"word_count":167,"indexable":13},280,"80961","Since I was thinking of taking a break from politics, going back home, maybe not returning, doing politics in the classroom, right?",1328.36,1334.54,{"idx":1818,"utterance_id":1819,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1820,"start_s":1821,"end_s":1822,"word_count":268,"indexable":13},281,"80962","So, as an ordinary citizen, I said, fine, provided that — I don't need support from governors that I won't have; I just want the freedom to say whatever I want in the debates.",1335.06,1345.36,{"idx":1824,"utterance_id":1825,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1826,"start_s":1827,"end_s":1828,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},282,"80963","On television I'll go and follow the script, balanced as I must be, but in the debates I want the freedom to speak.",1346.16,1352.26,{"idx":1830,"utterance_id":1831,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1832,"start_s":1833,"end_s":1834,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},283,"80964","And it was like that, and I already knew... That I wasn't going to win, the chance was minimal, of course, anything could happen.",1353.24,1360.66,{"idx":1836,"utterance_id":1837,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1838,"start_s":1839,"end_s":1840,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},284,"80965","Brazil was very polarized, Lula and Bolsonaro, there wasn't room, right?",1360.72,1363.52,{"idx":1842,"utterance_id":1843,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1844,"start_s":1845,"end_s":1846,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},285,"80966","Oh, 2% or 3% chance of something happening.",1363.56,1365.14,{"idx":1848,"utterance_id":1849,"speaker_name":8,"text":1850,"start_s":1851,"end_s":1852,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},286,"80967","But it grew, right?",1365.18,1366.36,{"idx":1854,"utterance_id":1855,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1856,"start_s":1857,"end_s":1858,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},287,"80968","Yeah, I finished third and got 5% of the votes.",1366.96,1369.24,{"idx":1860,"utterance_id":1861,"speaker_name":8,"text":1862,"start_s":1863,"end_s":1864,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},288,"80969","That, which is not a small thing.",1369.28,1370.78,{"idx":1866,"utterance_id":1867,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1868,"start_s":1869,"end_s":1870,"word_count":241,"indexable":13},289,"80970","Yes, 5 million votes, already bearing in mind that the useful vote, which is what I hope will happen now, that there be useful voting, that the 2026 election... takes place nationwide in a single round.",1370.82,1381.96,{"idx":1872,"utterance_id":1873,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1874,"start_s":1875,"end_s":1876,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},290,"80971","And we're close to that.",1382.1,1383.28,{"idx":1878,"utterance_id":1879,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1880,"start_s":1881,"end_s":1882,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},291,"80972","We can even talk about that later.",1383.54,1385.22,{"idx":1884,"utterance_id":1885,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1886,"start_s":1887,"end_s":1888,"word_count":63,"indexable":13},292,"80973","So, in my view, of course the electoral campaign, the advertising hasn't started yet and it can tilt that balance.",1385.32,1391.72,{"idx":1890,"utterance_id":1891,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1892,"start_s":1893,"end_s":1894,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},293,"80974","But I think, from my experience, I even reached 11% on a tracking poll.",1392.04,1396.7,{"idx":1896,"utterance_id":1897,"speaker_name":8,"text":1898,"start_s":1899,"end_s":1900,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},294,"80975","So you lost the vote to...",1397.72,1400.14,{"idx":1902,"utterance_id":1903,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1904,"start_s":1905,"end_s":1906,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},295,"80976","In the capital I reached 9% in the first round.",1400.84,1403.22,{"idx":1908,"utterance_id":1909,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1910,"start_s":1911,"end_s":1912,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},296,"80977","I had almost 9%, if I'm not mistaken, almost — I'll check later — 9% of São Paulo voters' votes.",1403.54,1409.2,{"idx":1914,"utterance_id":1915,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1916,"start_s":1917,"end_s":1918,"word_count":167,"indexable":13},297,"80978","In the state I think I reached almost 6%, well above, a little more than that even, nearly 7% I think, you have to check.",1409.92,1418.1,{"idx":1920,"utterance_id":1921,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1922,"start_s":1923,"end_s":1924,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},298,"80979","Well above the national average, because I didn't go to the Northeast.",1418.48,1420.82,{"idx":1926,"utterance_id":1927,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1928,"start_s":1929,"end_s":1930,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},299,"80980","In the Northeast I had 2% of the votes.",1420.86,1422.7,{"idx":1932,"utterance_id":1933,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1934,"start_s":1935,"end_s":1936,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},300,"80981","And here it made up for it a bit.",1423.24,1424.44,{"idx":1938,"utterance_id":1939,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1940,"start_s":1941,"end_s":1942,"word_count":930,"indexable":13},301,"80982","So I went into a clash already knowing which side I would be on in the second round; so much so that as soon as the election ended I was approached by the other side, through an intermediary who was a former minister of Bolsonaro, promising me the Ministry of Agriculture and Livestock, turnkey — I didn't want it — then they sent another minister to offer me the MEC (Ministry of Education), the Ministry of Education and Culture, together with the FNDE, which is a... a river of money for you to be able to — I'm a teacher, you know — to serve the municipalities. I said, look, I'm not here for that, I'm not for sale, that is not my purpose, I don't need that and my conscience is different, my measure is different, my teachers are different, and then I went to speak with President Lula after that, I didn't even let the president speak.",1425.4,1472.78,{"idx":1944,"utterance_id":1945,"speaker_name":8,"text":1946,"start_s":1947,"end_s":1948,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},302,"80983","Was there any backstage maneuvering, someone who brokered Haddad and Alckmin, how did it happen?",1473.84,1477.56,{"idx":1950,"utterance_id":1951,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1952,"start_s":1953,"end_s":1954,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},303,"80984","It was at Marta Suplicy's house, who was my fellow senator.",1477.6,1480.3,{"idx":1956,"utterance_id":1957,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1958,"start_s":1959,"end_s":1960,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},304,"80985","I have a special affection for Marta.",1480.38,1481.72,{"idx":1962,"utterance_id":1963,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1964,"start_s":1965,"end_s":1966,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},305,"80986","Marta, dear, a big kiss.",1481.86,1483.36,{"idx":1968,"utterance_id":1969,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1970,"start_s":1971,"end_s":1972,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},306,"80987","A hug for Marta here.",1483.4,1484.78,{"idx":1974,"utterance_id":1975,"speaker_name":8,"text":1976,"start_s":1977,"end_s":1978,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},307,"80988","And for Márcio too, for Márcio Toledo.",1484.88,1486.98,{"idx":1980,"utterance_id":1981,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1982,"start_s":1983,"end_s":1984,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},308,"80989","I say she is one of the great references for women.",1487.12,1489.32,{"idx":1986,"utterance_id":1987,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1988,"start_s":1989,"end_s":1990,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},309,"80990","I think she opened the door for so many Brazilian women, not just politicians.",1489.36,1492.58,{"idx":1992,"utterance_id":1993,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":1994,"start_s":1995,"end_s":1996,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},310,"80991","For sure.",1492.62,1493.18,{"idx":1998,"utterance_id":1999,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2000,"start_s":2001,"end_s":2002,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},311,"80992","For everything.",1493.54,1493.88,{"idx":2004,"utterance_id":2005,"speaker_name":8,"text":2006,"start_s":2007,"end_s":2008,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},312,"80993","Inside and outside politics.",1495.02,1495.88,{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2006,"start_s":2012,"end_s":2013,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},313,"80994",1496.12,1497.12,{"idx":2015,"utterance_id":2016,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2017,"start_s":2018,"end_s":2019,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},314,"80995","I met her outside of politics.",1497.8,1499.26,{"idx":2021,"utterance_id":2022,"speaker_name":8,"text":2023,"start_s":2024,"end_s":2025,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},315,"80996","Sexologist.",1500.08,1500.64,{"idx":2027,"utterance_id":2028,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2029,"start_s":2030,"end_s":2031,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},316,"80997","I would look at Marta and say... What a courageous woman is this?",1501.54,1503.96,{"idx":2033,"utterance_id":2034,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2035,"start_s":2036,"end_s":2037,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},317,"80998","Where did that come from, you know?",1504.04,1505.22,{"idx":2039,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},318,"80999","At a time that was still the end of the dictatorship and everything.",1505.34,1507.56,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},319,"81000","So, Marta has always been a reference.",1508.04,1509.34,{"idx":2051,"utterance_id":2052,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2053,"start_s":2054,"end_s":2055,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},320,"81001","I had the privilege of being a senator with her for four years.",1509.38,1511.34,{"idx":2057,"utterance_id":2058,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2059,"start_s":2060,"end_s":2061,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},321,"81002","After she came here to fulfill a mission, I stayed another four years there.",1511.44,1514.42,{"idx":2063,"utterance_id":2064,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2065,"start_s":2066,"end_s":2067,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},322,"81003","And so, I went to Marta's house.",1515.16,1517.58,{"idx":2069,"utterance_id":2070,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2071,"start_s":2072,"end_s":2073,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},323,"81004","And I arrived there, I already knew, I had my manifesto ready, I was going to speak in the afternoon, we had lunch and I said, President, I don't want anything, I don't want a post, I don't want a ministry, my manifesto is ready, I want to ask for five public policies that I know you will do.",1518.24,1531.14,{"idx":2075,"utterance_id":2076,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2077,"start_s":2078,"end_s":2079,"word_count":653,"topic_slug":2080,"topic_label":2081,"target_id":2082,"target_proposition":2083,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":2084,"indexable":249},324,"81005","We had just come out of the pandemic, I want a specific fund, even... outside the budget, outside the framework, you know, like an extraordinary credit, to clear the backlog of surgeries and tests in public health because of the pandemic; equal pay between men and women, which was the big project he put to Congress at my request — it was approved, the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) suspended it and has now released it for us to begin to implement — this is a banner of mine that I won't give up fighting for until the last day of my life; it's the great injustice that the Brazilian people do to women.",1531.52,1564.3,"saude-publica-seguranca-publica","Public Health \u002F Public Safety","589495b3-ba79-4cce-a59a-426c582a6f9d","reduce waiting time for appointments, tests, and surgeries in the SUS","asked for extraordinary funding to eliminate surgery and exam backlogs after the pandemic.",{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":179,"indexable":13},325,"81006","Not paying equal salaries even... with the same conditions, with the same qualifications, the same length of service — the issue of a woman getting pregnant affects women more.",1564.68,1573.24,{"idx":2092,"utterance_id":2093,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2094,"start_s":2095,"end_s":2096,"word_count":196,"indexable":13},326,"81007","Families today are having fewer children — at most one — and Brazil needs us to, exactly, among other things, the nest egg that was the 'youth savings' of mine.",1573.32,1582.08,{"idx":2098,"utterance_id":2099,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2100,"start_s":2101,"end_s":2102,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},327,"81008","Anyway, then he spoke.",1582.44,1584.14,{"idx":2104,"utterance_id":2105,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2106,"start_s":2107,"end_s":2108,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},328,"81009","So the only thing I finished.",1584.18,1585.44,{"idx":2110,"utterance_id":2111,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2112,"start_s":2113,"end_s":2114,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},329,"81010","He said, 'Just don't put that you won't accept a ministry.' I said, 'I won't, Mr. President,' he said.",1585.48,1591.22,{"idx":2116,"utterance_id":2117,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2118,"start_s":2119,"end_s":2120,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},330,"81011","But don't include what I need.",1591.26,1594.22,{"idx":2122,"utterance_id":2123,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2124,"start_s":2125,"end_s":2126,"word_count":167,"indexable":13},331,"81012","I learned in my life that in politics you don't say more than necessary because later it's hard to take back; I removed it but it was a gift.",1594.34,1600.84,{"idx":2128,"utterance_id":2129,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2130,"start_s":2131,"end_s":2132,"word_count":123,"indexable":13},332,"81013","I am convinced that to give legitimacy to my support, you know, it's a very tight lesson.",1600.9,1606.18,{"idx":2134,"utterance_id":2135,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2136,"start_s":2137,"end_s":2138,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},333,"81014","I had 5 million votes, Mr. President.",1606.22,1607.8,{"idx":2140,"utterance_id":2141,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2142,"start_s":2143,"end_s":2144,"word_count":173,"indexable":13},334,"81015","In the second round he won by 1,800,000, which in reality is 900,000 votes one way and 900,000 the other way — it was less than a million difference.",1607.86,1614.46,{"idx":2146,"utterance_id":2147,"speaker_name":8,"text":2148,"start_s":2149,"end_s":2150,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},335,"81016","And some of your votes went over there, some went to Lula, that happens, naturally.",1614.52,1617.52,{"idx":2152,"utterance_id":2153,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2154,"start_s":2155,"end_s":2156,"word_count":222,"indexable":13},336,"81017","But still, the difference in the second round surprised me negatively, because we had a difference of only 900,000 votes, if you count back and forth, of the 1.8 million.",1617.88,1626.88,{"idx":2158,"utterance_id":2159,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2160,"start_s":2161,"end_s":2162,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},337,"81018","So I said, I need to give legitimacy to this agenda.",1627.34,1631.26,{"idx":2164,"utterance_id":2165,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2166,"start_s":2167,"end_s":2168,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},338,"81019","And so I removed it... simply to remove it.",1631.72,1634.4,{"idx":2170,"utterance_id":2171,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2172,"start_s":2173,"end_s":2174,"word_count":222,"indexable":13},339,"81020","But he tried three times to bring me into the Ministry and only on December 27, on the eve of the inauguration, in a final conversation I had with him, did he convince me.",1635.02,1645.16,{"idx":2176,"utterance_id":2177,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2178,"start_s":2179,"end_s":2180,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},340,"81021","In fact, I was convinced 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husband and said, 'Look, regardless of what's in the envelope, I will not accept.'",1665.6,1672.56,{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":161,"indexable":13},345,"81026","My husband dropped me off, I think on December 26, or it was the 27th, I don't remember, at the airport and he made a single observation.",1672.94,1678.44,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},346,"81027","He said, 'Mônica, the country came out absolutely divided and polarized.'",1678.88,1681.88,{"idx":2218,"utterance_id":2219,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2220,"start_s":2221,"end_s":2222,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},347,"81028","You came in third 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head.",1694.32,1695.34,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},352,"81033","I slept, and when I woke up to speak with President Lula...",1695.4,1697.6,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},353,"81034","I remembered an episode about my father, which is exactly what you asked me about Fernando Henrique.",1697.64,1701.8,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":63,"indexable":13},354,"81035","My father didn't want to resign, to ask to be dismissed from the ministry, because up until then Mato Grosso had never had a minister.",1702.38,1708.18,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},355,"81036","He had been for four years in an important ministry, with many deliveries, which is the Ministry of Integration.",1708.84,1713.98,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},356,"81037","And he didn't sleep over the weekend.",1714.88,1716.54,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},357,"81038","When he went to catch the plane, he left whistling; I saw my father like that, I remember having asked him — my father died 20 years ago — I remember asking, 'Dad, are you really that well, why this decision, this turning of the key?'",1716.6,1729.22,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":286,"indexable":13},358,"81039","He said, 'It was the late 1990s, my father experienced the whole dictatorship, the whole reopening, fought for the direct elections already; my father said, \"my daughter, to a democratically elected president, we only say no if the request is not republican.\"'",1729.62,1743.78,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},359,"81040","I don't have the right to deny anything to a president who was democratically elected.",1744.44,1748.6,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},360,"81041","How interesting.",1748.64,1749.36,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},361,"81042","And that, I kept that in my head.",1749.66,1751.54,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},362,"81043","Of course, there was a historical slant there, very recent, late 90s — it hadn't been 10 years of redemocratization, a little less.",1751.62,1759,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},363,"81044","And I stayed with that, I said to myself... How do I refuse a request from the president?",1759.54,1763.46,{"idx":2320,"utterance_id":2321,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2322,"start_s":2323,"end_s":2324,"word_count":203,"indexable":13},364,"81045","If we need a face of a broad front to pacify Brazil, if I came in third, and on top of that a woman, I have to contribute to something, right?",1763.5,1770.62,{"idx":2326,"utterance_id":2327,"speaker_name":8,"text":2328,"start_s":2329,"end_s":2330,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},365,"81046","And it's also an invitation to serve the country, right?",1770.68,1772.64,{"idx":2332,"utterance_id":2333,"speaker_name":8,"text":2334,"start_s":2335,"end_s":2336,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},366,"81047","So that's really... And I said, okay, right?",1772.68,1774.5,{"idx":2338,"utterance_id":2339,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2340,"start_s":2341,"end_s":2342,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},367,"81048","Then I said, well... It was like that, it was a matter of hours.",1774.64,1778.86,{"idx":2344,"utterance_id":2345,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2346,"start_s":2347,"end_s":2348,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},368,"81049","My change of mindset was a matter of hours.",1779.42,1781.6,{"idx":2350,"utterance_id":2351,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2352,"start_s":2353,"end_s":2354,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},369,"81050","I didn't dream of this, but I remembered that episode.",1781.72,1784.22,{"idx":2356,"utterance_id":2357,"speaker_name":8,"text":2358,"start_s":2359,"end_s":2360,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},370,"81051","That program in which you appeared together was really great.",1784.3,1786.68,{"idx":2362,"utterance_id":2363,"speaker_name":8,"text":2364,"start_s":2365,"end_s":2366,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},371,"81052","I'd like to ask you about an episode that some people have told me about, I don't know if it's true or not.",1786.82,1790.4,{"idx":2368,"utterance_id":2369,"speaker_name":8,"text":2370,"start_s":2371,"end_s":2372,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},372,"81053","Is it true that you suffered some hostility in your building, in the building where you live, from Bolsonaro supporters?",1791.2,1796.54,{"idx":2374,"utterance_id":2375,"speaker_name":8,"text":2376,"start_s":2377,"end_s":2378,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},373,"81054","Did that happen?",1796.64,1797.26,{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":8,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},374,"81055","It happened more than once.",1798.5,1799.86,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":8,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},375,"81056","And how did you react?",1799.96,1801.32,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":629,"topic_slug":1752,"topic_label":1753,"target_id":2397,"target_proposition":2398,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":2400,"indexable":13},376,"81057","Look, if it's something I can say, the only good thing about having received political violence my whole life as a woman candidate... First is the fact that I'm of a generation that didn't even know it was receiving political violence, because there was the so-called domestic violence, which I never suffered, physical violence — I was never assaulted, thank God, whether by a partner or some people — but political violence we didn't know, we thought it was natural for a man to point a finger, push, shout, and all of that has happened to me since always.",1802.38,1835.52,"e71b65c6-8cc7-4ef1-99a0-a0ed559b90ba","lead a national effort to combat violence against women",0.7,"reports having suffered political violence as a woman candidate.",{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},377,"81058","I was the first woman mayor, I was the first female lieutenant governor, so it was an environment where people, the men, politicians, weren't used to it.",1836.06,1842.9,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},378,"81059","So if there's any good that came out of it, it's that it has given me thick skin, you know?",1843.24,1849.72,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},379,"81060","It's almost like, what comes from below doesn't affect me.",1849.78,1854.5,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":286,"indexable":13},380,"81061","If I know I'm on the right path, I have to have the humility to recognize when I make a mistake — I do that with the greatest naturalness — but if I'm convinced that this is the path, nothing moves me from my path.",1855.16,1866.46,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},381,"81062","Perhaps because I have a well-established family, not being financially dependent on politics, that gives me the ability to be myself and defend my ideas and my agendas.",1867.24,1877.3,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},382,"81063","So yes, to turn my back, not say good morning, literally turn my back and not turn back until I leave.",1877.38,1886.88,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":8,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},383,"81064","And have they apologized yet?",1887.26,1888.2,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":8,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},384,"81065","No, no, no.",1888.26,1889.18,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},385,"81066","That's a great difficulty of being human, isn't it?",1891.68,1893.58,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":8,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},386,"81067","To acknowledge it, right?",1894.54,1895.14,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":8,"text":2464,"start_s":2465,"end_s":2466,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},387,"81068","To acknowledge when one errs and such.",1895.44,1896.5,{"idx":2468,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":8,"text":2470,"start_s":2471,"end_s":2472,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},388,"81069","In the government, I mean, there was a very strong rapport of yours with Fernando Haddad from the start.",1897.26,1902.84,{"idx":2474,"utterance_id":2475,"speaker_name":8,"text":2476,"start_s":2477,"end_s":2478,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},389,"81070","I'd like you to talk about this relationship, since he is the candidate for governor, you are the candidate for the Senate.",1902.88,1907.96,{"idx":2480,"utterance_id":2481,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2482,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},390,"81071","Well, first, it comes from the blood, right?",1908.86,1910.42,{"idx":2486,"utterance_id":2487,"speaker_name":8,"text":2488,"start_s":2489,"end_s":2490,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},391,"81072","They're kin, right?",1911.24,1912.04,{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":8,"text":2488,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},392,"81073",1912.08,1912.52,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":8,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},393,"81074","Everyone here is kin, everyone...",1912.56,1913.82,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},394,"81075","Both come from academic life, teachers, both.",1914.48,1917.32,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},395,"81076","I think there's this thing about serving, right?",1917.38,1919.24,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},396,"81077","So, it's a purpose, we carry out missions.",1919.38,1922,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":203,"indexable":13},397,"81078","I fulfilled a mission when I left a very well-structured city to be vice-governor, giving up three years of a mandate to be vice, where you stay there just available.",1923.14,1933.62,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},398,"81079","So, for me, this agenda of carrying out missions is very calm.",1933.8,1939.48,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":394,"topic_slug":2538,"topic_label":2539,"target_id":2540,"target_proposition":2541,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2542,"indexable":13},399,"81080","I think, on my part — later I'll praise Haddad and all the merits he has — I believe my conscience knowing that I was composing a broad-front ticket, whose boss... It's always the finance minister, who is, right, if I had any clash... in which I really disagreed, I would have to leave.",1940.2,1958.26,"aliancas-politicas","Political Alliances","b8746e86-aeea-4974-b638-fdefb7a6d5d7","compose broad-front slates","reports agreeing to join a broad-front ticket and to leave if they disagreed.",{"idx":2544,"utterance_id":2545,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2546,"start_s":2547,"end_s":2548,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":2538,"topic_label":2539,"target_id":2549,"target_proposition":2550,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2551,"rationale":2552,"indexable":13},400,"81081","I didn't have to take that public, as is always done.",1958.62,1961.96,"68466598-9b36-4d36-a2c1-44c1f930582b","do not disclose internal government disagreements",0.6,"says it wasn't necessary to take the government's clashes public.",{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},401,"81082","But there have been administrations, right?",1962.1,1963,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":8,"text":2562,"start_s":2563,"end_s":2564,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},402,"81083","Malã, Serra, that sort of thing.",1963.08,1965.02,{"idx":2566,"utterance_id":2567,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2568,"start_s":2569,"end_s":2570,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":1073,"topic_label":1074,"target_id":2571,"target_proposition":2572,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":2573,"indexable":13},403,"81084","With distinct personalities, because I knew that would impact the dollar, that would impact inflation, that would impact the price of food on the worker's table.",1965.18,1973.44,"7f4766b5-9fa6-438b-b84b-8a4019f9a1e9","adopt economic policy measures that affect exchange rate and inflation","says the decisions would affect the dollar, inflation, and consumer prices.",{"idx":2575,"utterance_id":2576,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2577,"start_s":2578,"end_s":2579,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},404,"81085","Because that's how it happens.",1973.78,1975.02,{"idx":2581,"utterance_id":2582,"speaker_name":8,"text":2583,"start_s":2584,"end_s":2585,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},405,"81086","Even Palocci, Mantega had a little bit, a little bit.",1975.24,1977.94,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":2588,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2589,"start_s":2590,"end_s":2591,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},406,"81087","So it didn't make sense.",1977.98,1979.12,{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},407,"81088","So everything I needed, I had to say.",1979.18,1981.26,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},408,"81089","Internally.",1981.88,1982.56,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},409,"81090","So neither he leaked, nor I leaked.",1982.74,1984.72,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},410,"81091","There were times when I said, Haddad, this can't be done this way.",1984.78,1987.34,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},411,"81092","Simone, come on, come on, this will 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Lula.",1995.7,1998.74,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},416,"81097","And that's a quality of President Lula that few times in my life have I seen in a man who has a space of power.",1999.28,2004.98,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},417,"81098","Which is knowing how to listen.",2005.68,2006.8,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},418,"81099","President Lula listens to a man and a woman.",2007.68,2010.3,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2667,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":262,"indexable":13},419,"81100","Equally — if I go in and say, 'President, I need to speak for 10 minutes so you can understand my point of view,' he will listen to me for 10 minutes, whether I'm a woman, whether a man, whether it's Haddad or Simone.",2010.84,2022.64,{"idx":2671,"utterance_id":2672,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2673,"start_s":2674,"end_s":2675,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},420,"81101","And maybe that's why the president gets so many things right — he doesn't get everything right, but he gets so much right.",2023.26,2027.84,{"idx":2677,"utterance_id":2678,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2679,"start_s":2680,"end_s":2681,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},421,"81102","So that is something that impacted me a lot.",2028.18,2030.1,{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":63,"topic_slug":2688,"topic_label":2689,"target_id":2690,"target_proposition":2691,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":2692,"indexable":249},422,"81103","And secondly, for him to have had the courage to put someone who is not from the left in 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life.",2039.88,2042.58,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},425,"81106","I am very grateful to him for that.",2042.66,2043.96,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},426,"81107","Because when he invited me to come to São Paulo, I said, 'President, how so?'",2044,2047.36,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":99,"topic_slug":2538,"topic_label":2539,"target_id":2724,"target_proposition":2725,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2551,"rationale":2726,"indexable":13},427,"81108","He said, 'I need a broad front, Alckmin represents a broad front, and I need women and such.'",2048.26,2054.22,"1d9a3140-a648-4d91-927a-73981bc35954","form a broad front including representatives across the political spectrum","reports an invitation to join a broad front and include different actors.",{"idx":2728,"utterance_id":2729,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2730,"start_s":2731,"end_s":2732,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},428,"81109","And I said that — he got on the plane when I had to say it, right?",2054.66,2060.1,{"idx":2734,"utterance_id":2735,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2736,"start_s":2737,"end_s":2738,"word_count":161,"indexable":13},429,"81110","And he joked, put his hand on my arm and I said, 'Can I already... joke about being called senator for São Paulo, right,' and so on.",2060.3,2068.12,{"idx":2740,"utterance_id":2741,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2742,"start_s":2743,"end_s":2744,"word_count":209,"indexable":13},430,"81111","But he paid me a tribute a little earlier, right, on a previous flight together with other ministers, where there was some episode that happened, I don't remember what we were discussing.",2068.6,2078.08,{"idx":2746,"utterance_id":2747,"speaker_name":8,"text":2748,"start_s":2749,"end_s":2750,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},431,"81112","There was an important speech of his in his state as well, which had a lot of repercussion, I remember that too.",2078.12,2083.02,{"idx":2752,"utterance_id":2753,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2754,"start_s":2755,"end_s":2756,"word_count":203,"indexable":13},432,"81113","And then he turned and said, and I said, 'look, President, I do politics for this, for this, for this, there is no other meaning to my life, I don't know.'",2083.06,2090.7,{"idx":2758,"utterance_id":2759,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2760,"start_s":2761,"end_s":2762,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},433,"81114","I'm out of politics in some 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Marta, opened the doors, Benedita da Silva in Rio de Janeiro, and so many valorous women, so that we could have a voice.",2101.58,2111.84,0.75,"acknowledges women who opened doors to increase female representation.",{"idx":2783,"utterance_id":2784,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2785,"start_s":2786,"end_s":2787,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":2769,"topic_label":2770,"target_id":2771,"target_proposition":2772,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2788,"indexable":13},436,"81117","But there is a difference between having a voice in politics and being heard.",2112.28,2114.94,"says there is a difference between having a voice and actually being heard.",{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":2795,"topic_label":2796,"target_id":2797,"target_proposition":2798,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":2799,"indexable":249},437,"81118","I began to be heard in the CPI of Covid when I ran for president of the Senate, losing, denouncing the secret budget.",2115.5,2121.12,"transparencia-e-compromissos-de-governo","Transparency and Government Commitments","359dff48-3298-4c4b-849a-d5df201d7831","investigate and make the secret budget transparent","states they denounced the secret budget at the CPI, advocating investigation.",{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},438,"81119","And then the real peak was in the debates.",2121.6,2123.54,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},439,"81120","They said, 'ah, she has something to say.'",2124.16,2126.42,{"idx":2813,"utterance_id":2814,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2815,"start_s":2816,"end_s":2817,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},440,"81121","And then I began to be heard, but after 25 years of public 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I represent the majority in a minority where minorities are massacred,' that I didn't receive every kind of adversity, of violence.",2181.14,2200.54,{"idx":2886,"utterance_id":2887,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2888,"start_s":2889,"end_s":2890,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},450,"81131","And when he said that, it seemed like my father sending some message.",2200.64,2206,{"idx":2892,"utterance_id":2893,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2894,"start_s":2895,"end_s":2896,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},451,"81132","I am not a Spiritist, but it's as if he were there.",2206.54,2210,{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},452,"81133","He knew my father.",2210.08,2211.08,{"idx":2904,"utterance_id":2905,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2906,"start_s":2907,"end_s":2908,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},453,"81134","My father got on very well with him.",2212.1,2213.38,{"idx":2910,"utterance_id":2911,"speaker_name":8,"text":2912,"start_s":2913,"end_s":2914,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},454,"81135","I didn't know.",2213.42,2213.94,{"idx":2916,"utterance_id":2917,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2918,"start_s":2919,"end_s":2920,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},455,"81136","There is an episode about a pen that he tells.",2214.88,2216.9,{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":63,"indexable":13},456,"81137","Because Lula always wanted... to be inaugurated with a pen that he received from a great friend from the Northeast.",2217.46,2223.34,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":8,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},457,"81138","I don't remember what it was.",2223.44,2224.56,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":8,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},458,"81139","Yes, I've already heard that story.",2224.6,2225.56,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},459,"81140","And on the day of the inauguration, I think he was so nervous that he... 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end.",{"idx":3187,"utterance_id":3188,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3189,"start_s":3190,"end_s":3191,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},497,"81178","So...",2412.22,2412.64,{"idx":3193,"utterance_id":3194,"speaker_name":8,"text":3195,"start_s":3196,"end_s":3197,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},498,"81179","And there's an interesting point, you talking about polarization, right?",2414.1,2416.46,{"idx":3199,"utterance_id":3200,"speaker_name":8,"text":3201,"start_s":3202,"end_s":3203,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},499,"81180","Today a survey came out, by the way, a finding from the BTG Nexus poll, saying that the majority of Brazilians are tired of the polarization, right?",2417.32,2425.42,{"idx":3205,"utterance_id":3206,"speaker_name":8,"text":3207,"start_s":3208,"end_s":3209,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},500,"81181","That they want... to stop fighting, I mean, this really, I mean, it's something that has been wearing people out.",2425.52,2431.84,{"idx":3211,"utterance_id":3212,"speaker_name":8,"text":3213,"start_s":3214,"end_s":3215,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},501,"81182","And we who live in this environment, I think we suffer that impact as well.",2432.02,2435.24,{"idx":3217,"utterance_id":3218,"speaker_name":8,"text":3219,"start_s":3220,"end_s":3221,"word_count":173,"indexable":13},502,"81183","But I wanted to ask you, I mean, what are the main problems — you mentioned some, right, femicide, that you see in the state administration, in the Tarcídio government?",2435.84,2444.02,{"idx":3223,"utterance_id":3224,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3225,"start_s":3226,"end_s":3227,"word_count":58,"topic_slug":2795,"topic_label":2796,"target_id":3228,"target_proposition":3229,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3230,"indexable":13},503,"81184","Well, first, the manipulation of the numbers, right?",2444.3,2446.68,"bef0b449-06ae-4096-8a42-0a225115794a","disclose truthful and transparent public data","accuses 'maquiagem dos números' and demands veracity in official data.",{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2795,"topic_label":2796,"target_id":3228,"target_proposition":3229,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":2780,"rationale":3237,"indexable":249},504,"81185","We don't know what is real or what is fake.",2446.86,2448.82,"says they don't know what is real or fake regarding the presented numbers.",{"idx":3239,"utterance_id":3240,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3241,"start_s":3242,"end_s":3243,"word_count":123,"topic_slug":2795,"topic_label":2796,"target_id":3228,"target_proposition":3229,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":668,"rationale":3244,"indexable":249},505,"81186","So even evaluation becomes difficult when he presents numbers that we check and then can't find.",2448.88,2456.06,"says evaluations become difficult when numbers to check do not exist.",{"idx":3246,"utterance_id":3247,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3248,"start_s":3249,"end_s":3250,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":3251,"topic_label":3252,"target_id":3253,"target_proposition":3254,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3255,"indexable":249},506,"81187","Second, the lack of intellectual honesty in saying that the majority of the works being delivered were contracted in previous administrations.",2456.56,2464.98,"servico-publico","Public Service","9206cde7-cc65-4e82-8557-d910ce3ff8a4","acknowledge the participation of previous administrations in public works","accuses a lack of intellectual honesty about the origin of the works delivered.",{"idx":3257,"utterance_id":3258,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3259,"start_s":3260,"end_s":3261,"word_count":63,"indexable":13},507,"81188","Some were even contracted while Haddad was mayor, but the others during the administrations that passed through the capital or even... through the State.",2465.16,2474.98,{"idx":3263,"utterance_id":3264,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3265,"start_s":3266,"end_s":3267,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":3268,"topic_label":3269,"target_id":3270,"target_proposition":3271,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3272,"indexable":249},508,"81189","The federal government's participation in funding here from Minha Casa Minha Vida, which has a lot of resources, the contribution of the SUS to the São Paulo SUS.",2475.62,2484.24,"politica-de-habitacao","Housing policy","0ca9908a-9afa-4e45-8d81-e448341c1ba5","ensure federal financing for housing programs (Minha Casa Minha Vida)","states that the program has a lot of federal funding.",{"idx":3274,"utterance_id":3275,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3276,"start_s":3277,"end_s":3278,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":2080,"topic_label":2081,"target_id":3279,"target_proposition":3280,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3281,"indexable":249},509,"81190","The São Paulo SUS is only called São Paulo SUS, which is an irrelevant project — nobody discusses that, because there's money from the federal budget.",2484.74,2490.74,"c2932d93-3b3b-4719-bcb7-1a4e13024410","ensure adequate funding for the SUS","says São Paulo's SUS exists only because of federal resources.",{"idx":3283,"utterance_id":3284,"speaker_name":8,"text":3285,"start_s":3286,"end_s":3287,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},510,"81191","There are many benefits here on the commuter trains, in the city.",2490.78,2493.58,{"idx":3289,"utterance_id":3290,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3291,"start_s":3292,"end_s":3293,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":1207,"topic_label":1208,"target_id":3294,"target_proposition":3295,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3296,"indexable":249},511,"81192","The submerged tunnel itself, which is Santos–Guarujá, half of it is federal funding.",2494.98,2500.52,"72f5e070-2021-4646-a6b5-1855d4ccc5ba","ensure federal financing for state infrastructure projects","states that half of the Santos-Guarujá tunnel was funded by federal resources.",{"idx":3298,"utterance_id":3299,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3300,"start_s":3301,"end_s":3302,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},512,"81193","So, that said, and besides public security.",2500.72,2503.62,{"idx":3304,"utterance_id":3305,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3306,"start_s":3307,"end_s":3308,"word_count":468,"topic_slug":3309,"topic_label":3310,"target_id":3311,"target_proposition":3312,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":3313,"indexable":249},513,"81194","Generally speaking, not having had a São Paulo project for the metropolitan region or for the metropolitan regions, which is not only the São Paulo metropolitan region — you have the Campinas metropolitan region, you have the other regions, even Piracicaba has a metropolitan area, but there it's already the administrative region of the Baixada Santista; not having had an urban mobility project.",2503.68,2527.7,"mobilidade-urbana-e-logistica","Urban Mobility and Logistics","8512f33a-cd2f-4b1c-b4dc-a4cb5b74fa60","implement a strategic urban mobility plan for metropolitan regions","criticizes the lack of a mobility project for metropolitan regions.",{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3317,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},514,"81195","We talked about Marta; Marta implemented the unified fare card.",2528.32,2530.6,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":8,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},515,"81196","Marta made a difference.",2531.16,2532.2,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},516,"81197","At the municipal level came Alckmin and implemented the state unified fare card, integrating buses with train and metro.",2532.84,2540.44,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":509,"topic_slug":3309,"topic_label":3310,"target_id":3311,"target_proposition":3312,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":3338,"indexable":249},517,"81198","What is the urban mobility project, other than continuing lines, which is fundamental, of metro — expansion of metro lines, nobody disputes that — but what is the strategic plan to get cars off the streets, to de-pollute, to ensure that the worker, who already works six-for-one and who needs to work five-for-two, can have less time in traffic, more mental health, more time with family, even to guarantee that so-called productivity?",2541.48,2565.76,"calls for a plan to remove cars from the streets and reduce time spent in traffic.",{"idx":3340,"utterance_id":3341,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3342,"start_s":3343,"end_s":3344,"word_count":101,"indexable":13},518,"81199","How do we guarantee the productivity of the worker, who spends four hours?",2565.82,2569.44,{"idx":3346,"utterance_id":3347,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3348,"start_s":3349,"end_s":3350,"word_count":185,"indexable":13},519,"81200","between commuting there and back, on average, which may be three hours, three and a half, round trip, in the big cities, not only São Paulo but across Brazil.",2569.92,2577,{"idx":3352,"utterance_id":3353,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3354,"start_s":3355,"end_s":3356,"word_count":209,"topic_slug":3357,"topic_label":3358,"target_id":3359,"target_proposition":3360,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":3361,"indexable":249},520,"81201","So, this statesmanlike vision, this long-term vision of the future, of having strategic planning in public security, strategic planning in infrastructure, strategic planning in health, in education.",2577.32,2590.78,"planejamento-urbano","Urban planning","fd244fb9-631e-4910-9a20-1c4f0642f672","adopt long-term strategic planning in security, infrastructure, health, and education","advocates a vision for the future and strategic planning across several areas.",{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":363,"topic_slug":3368,"topic_label":3369,"target_id":3370,"target_proposition":3371,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3372,"indexable":249},521,"81202","Look at the IDEB indices: the state that raises the most revenue, that has the most resources, that has the most science, technology, researchers, scientists, that has a very high level of educators, of colleges that can train in pedagogy courses, full licensure, is in seventh place, sixth, seventh place in IDEB, in Upper Primary, in High School, anyway.",2590.86,2613.6,"educacao","Education","8f022c65-d134-4c98-b1a2-a1fa3a02655e","improve basic education indicators in the State of São Paulo (IDEB)","points out a poor placement in the IDEB despite resources and calls for action.",{"idx":3374,"utterance_id":3375,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3376,"start_s":3377,"end_s":3378,"word_count":139,"topic_slug":2795,"topic_label":2796,"target_id":3228,"target_proposition":3229,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3379,"indexable":249},522,"81203","That's it — it's difficult when the numbers that are presented, when we check them, are not the reality of the people of São Paulo.",2615.6,2622.56,"reaffirms that the presented numbers do not reflect São Paulo's reality.",{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":8,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":251,"indexable":13},523,"81204","I wanted to touch on a point which is the following: if we look at Trump's tariff policy, which is the most affected state, which is the most industrial, the biggest exporter, it's the state of São Paulo.",2622.74,2631.78,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":8,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},524,"81205","What is your assessment of that 'Make America Great Again' cap he wore?",2632.32,2636.72,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},525,"81206","Look, I can be honest: I think he probably still has nightmares about that cap.",2637.52,2641.72,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},526,"81207","Like, he must say, 'oh my God, if regret could kill.'",2642.48,2645.36,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},527,"81208","Not because he doesn't believe in the cap, it's because that had negative electoral consequences for him.",2645.58,2651.34,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},528,"81209","I think...",2652.06,2652.62,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":8,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},529,"81210","But he repeats it, right?",2653.36,2654.16,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":8,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},530,"81211","Because, for example, he gave the medal to Milley, right?",2654.22,2656.52,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":8,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},531,"81212","How do you see that?",2657.66,2658.14,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":8,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},532,"81213","Aside from the cap, Milley, right?",2658.3,2659.44,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":8,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},533,"81214","I think that's an important matter as well.",2659.9,2661.22,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":123,"topic_slug":3452,"topic_label":3453,"target_id":3454,"target_proposition":3455,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3456,"indexable":13},534,"81215","Again... those figures do not include the statesmen, the leaders we need for Brazil.",2661.86,2671.3,"governanca-politica","Political Governance","a1f4873b-7333-43a7-9bf1-d507d51bfea9","elect a president with credibility","says Brazil lacks statesmen and suitable leaders.",{"idx":3458,"utterance_id":3459,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3460,"start_s":3461,"end_s":3462,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},535,"81216","Because... There are two things, and the last I wouldn't even place for the extreme right, but there are two things that you, whether left, center or right, cannot give up.",2672.1,2681.5,{"idx":3464,"utterance_id":3465,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3466,"start_s":3467,"end_s":3468,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},536,"81217","And the center and the left cannot give up the third.",2681.92,2684.4,{"idx":3470,"utterance_id":3471,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3472,"start_s":3473,"end_s":3474,"word_count":58,"topic_slug":3475,"topic_label":3476,"target_id":3477,"target_proposition":3478,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":3479,"indexable":13},537,"81218","One is the absolute defense of democracy.",2684.58,2686.72,"democracia","Democracy","01012016-184e-4cb1-a7b7-41ecf8424f06","defend democracy and civil rights","declares 'defesa absoluta da democracia' to be essential.",{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},538,"81219","Without democracy we have nothing.",2686.78,2688.18,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":209,"topic_slug":3475,"topic_label":3476,"target_id":3492,"target_proposition":3493,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3494,"indexable":249},539,"81220","And I think maybe we, the politicians and even the media, lack explaining to the average citizen, those under 50, what democracy is.",2688.62,2697.02,"dd43fd11-0112-4e2a-87e6-dd3e95fb1629","clarify and educate the public about the meaning of democracy","says there is a lack of explanation about democracy for younger citizens.",{"idx":3496,"utterance_id":3497,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3498,"start_s":3499,"end_s":3500,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},540,"81221","It is the right to come and go.",2697.16,2698.18,{"idx":3502,"utterance_id":3503,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3504,"start_s":3505,"end_s":3506,"word_count":216,"indexable":13},541,"81222","To not be kidnapped on the way, to not be killed and to have the right to habeas corpus and to have freedom of expression and be able to be whatever you want in life.",2698.92,2707.38,{"idx":3508,"utterance_id":3509,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3510,"start_s":3511,"end_s":3512,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},542,"81223","Freedom depends on democracy.",2707.44,2709.4,{"idx":3514,"utterance_id":3515,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3516,"start_s":3517,"end_s":3518,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},543,"81224","So, I think there is a lack of clarification of that very abstract term.",2710.24,2715.22,{"idx":3520,"utterance_id":3521,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3522,"start_s":3523,"end_s":3524,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},544,"81225","That's why a large part of the population says, 'is there a problem?'",2715.62,2718.52,{"idx":3526,"utterance_id":3527,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3528,"start_s":3529,"end_s":3530,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},545,"81226","Is it a problem if Trump comes here, if Milley says whatever.",2718.8,2721.08,{"idx":3532,"utterance_id":3533,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3534,"start_s":3535,"end_s":3536,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},546,"81227","The second... That is missing.",2721.54,2723.5,{"idx":3538,"utterance_id":3539,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3540,"start_s":3541,"end_s":3542,"word_count":63,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3545,"target_proposition":3546,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3547,"indexable":249},547,"81228","I think he lacks that uncompromising defense, which places him in a different electoral, political, ideological field.",2723.94,2733.16,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Foreign Policy and Diplomacy","42ab25a5-15ef-44a2-95b2-48687102a75a","defend national wealth and sovereignty","states that sovereignty should be seen as a higher value.",{"idx":3549,"utterance_id":3550,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3551,"start_s":3552,"end_s":3553,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},548,"81229","Second, sovereignty.",2733.56,2734.56,{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},549,"81230","Sovereignty as something much larger.",2734.6,2736.08,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},550,"81231","For the perception of the average citizen.",2737.02,2739.04,{"idx":3567,"utterance_id":3568,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3569,"start_s":3570,"end_s":3571,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},551,"81232","To defend the homeland that is not foreign.",2739.54,2741.48,{"idx":3573,"utterance_id":3574,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3575,"start_s":3576,"end_s":3577,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},552,"81233","Our flag will never be foreign.",2741.86,2743.8,{"idx":3579,"utterance_id":3580,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3581,"start_s":3582,"end_s":3583,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},553,"81234","Our flag, since they like it, and it is so, but anyway, green, yellow, blue and white.",2743.86,2748.2,{"idx":3585,"utterance_id":3586,"speaker_name":8,"text":3587,"start_s":3588,"end_s":3589,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},554,"81235","By the way, Haddad has been using that frequently.",2748.5,2751.48,{"idx":3591,"utterance_id":3592,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3593,"start_s":3594,"end_s":3595,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},555,"81236","Why?",2751.76,2752.16,{"idx":3597,"utterance_id":3598,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3599,"start_s":3600,"end_s":3601,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3602,"target_proposition":3603,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3604,"indexable":249},556,"81237","Because when you defend another country against... your own country and against the state you govern, which is the state that will be most harmed, you are saying you are defending that that country should take jobs away from Paulistas.",2752.72,2767.28,"976b6a4a-811c-4cba-8a25-016a768826c6","prioritize Brazil's economic interests in international relations","says that defending another country could take jobs away from people in São Paulo.",{"idx":3606,"utterance_id":3607,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3608,"start_s":3609,"end_s":3610,"word_count":123,"indexable":13},557,"81238","The income of Paulistas, the peace of Paulistas, the development of the productive sector of the state of São Paulo.",2767.8,2774.7,{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},558,"81239","Who will lose from the tariff policy?",2775.04,2776.76,{"idx":3618,"utterance_id":3619,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3620,"start_s":3621,"end_s":3622,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},559,"81240","Piracicaba.",2776.96,2777.64,{"idx":3624,"utterance_id":3625,"speaker_name":8,"text":3626,"start_s":3627,"end_s":3628,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},560,"81241","It's the one that loses the most.",2778.38,2779.22,{"idx":3630,"utterance_id":3631,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3632,"start_s":3633,"end_s":3634,"word_count":36,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3635,"target_proposition":3636,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3637,"indexable":13},561,"81242","Loses the most in Brazil.",2779.26,2780.3,"11fce533-cc56-41cb-a7c1-a69b90c5ab9e","adopt trade policies that protect exports of the state of São Paulo","states that São Paulo is the state that loses the most from tariffs.",{"idx":3639,"utterance_id":3640,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3641,"start_s":3642,"end_s":3643,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},562,"81243","The first state, São Paulo; second, Santa Catarina.",2780.64,2783.32,{"idx":3645,"utterance_id":3646,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3647,"start_s":3648,"end_s":3649,"word_count":339,"indexable":13},563,"81244","While I'm talking Piracicaba, I'm talking about the sugar‑alcohol sector in relation to ethanol, I'm talking about the agroindustry sector, I'm talking about the shoe industry of Franca, I'm talking about the manufacturing industry, that intermediate industry that supplies parts, from thread to parts, to the heavy American industry.",2783.76,2805.64,{"idx":3651,"utterance_id":3652,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3653,"start_s":3654,"end_s":3655,"word_count":99,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3656,"target_proposition":3657,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":3658,"indexable":13},564,"81245","You only have to look now: there was a decrease in exports, the smallest in history to the United States from Brazil, including São Paulo.",2807.14,2815.26,"5e75312d-fae2-4887-8e43-12a8694e42cb","protect Brazilian commercial interests against unilateral sanctions","reports a historic decline in Brazilian exports to the US.",{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":56,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3665,"target_proposition":3666,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":3667,"indexable":249},565,"81246","So, it's a mistaken vision of the world, of the country, with no awareness, or sometimes there is awareness and even so they do it, that they are harming the people he swore...",2815.7,2828.56,"994eb3c4-ade9-441d-afae-261520e012a2","prioritize national interests in international security decisions","criticizes a vision that harms the people they swore to govern.",{"idx":3669,"utterance_id":3670,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3671,"start_s":3672,"end_s":3673,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":3674,"topic_label":3675,"target_id":3676,"target_proposition":3677,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":2780,"rationale":3678,"indexable":249},566,"81247","to respect and defend when he swore on the Constitution of the State of São Paulo to be a governor who would govern for everyone.",2829.08,2835.88,"politica-estadual","State policy","5c93f3f3-f985-46e2-b1eb-932f0a4bff82","govern for all inhabitants of the state, without favoring foreign interests","argues that the governor should respect the oath and govern for everyone.",{"idx":3680,"utterance_id":3681,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3682,"start_s":3683,"end_s":3684,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},567,"81248","So, I think democracy and sovereignty are concepts they don't know.",2836.16,2840.5,{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":3691,"topic_label":3692,"target_id":3693,"target_proposition":3694,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":3695,"indexable":249},568,"81249","And then, the third is ours, but you can't expect it from them, which is the struggle to reduce inequality, which I always like to lump together as social rights.",2840.8,2850.1,"desigualdade-socioeconomica","Socioeconomic Inequality","236617d4-cf7d-46e2-944b-491d018db02c","reduce socioeconomic inequality","states that the fight to reduce inequality is a priority.",{"idx":3697,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":8,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":203,"indexable":13},569,"81250","And just as an addendum, we published today a survey: 70% of Argentines repudiate what Milê has been doing in relation to President Lula and Brazil in general.",2850.72,2863.64,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":8,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},570,"81251","That is, not even Argentines agree with that kind of behavior.",2864.08,2869.18,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},571,"81252","I even ended up not talking about Milê, because I was very focused on the United States.",2869.22,2871.84,{"idx":3715,"utterance_id":3716,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3717,"start_s":3718,"end_s":3719,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},572,"81253","Milê still has an aggravating factor.",2872.06,2873.36,{"idx":3721,"utterance_id":3722,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3723,"start_s":3724,"end_s":3725,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},573,"81254","A greater aggravating factor, because between the United States and Argentina, Argentina is still our biggest trading partner.",2874.14,2879.72,{"idx":3727,"utterance_id":3728,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3729,"start_s":3730,"end_s":3731,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},574,"81255","Argentina depends on Brazil; Brazil less so in relation to Argentina.",2879.76,2883.9,{"idx":3733,"utterance_id":3734,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3735,"start_s":3736,"end_s":3737,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},575,"81256","And we are talking about more than two centuries of diplomacy.",2884.56,2889.04,{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":34,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3744,"target_proposition":3745,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3746,"indexable":249},576,"81257","We are talking about an invasion, because there was an invasion; it wasn't a verbal invasion.",2889.64,2894.58,"51a951d0-bec7-464d-89cf-07c4dada7352","resist pressure and not be subservient in bilateral relations","classifies the action as an invasion of popular sovereignty.",{"idx":3748,"utterance_id":3749,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3750,"start_s":3751,"end_s":3752,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},577,"81258","It wasn't a verbal invasion of the president, it was an invasion of sovereignty.",2895.56,2900.8,{"idx":3754,"utterance_id":3755,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3756,"start_s":3757,"end_s":3758,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},578,"81259","of the people who democratically elected a president.",2901.48,2904.2,{"idx":3760,"utterance_id":3761,"speaker_name":8,"text":3762,"start_s":3763,"end_s":3764,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},579,"81260","That is, everyone was attacked.",2904.32,2905.24,{"idx":3766,"utterance_id":3767,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3768,"start_s":3769,"end_s":3770,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},580,"81261","It is popular sovereignty.",2905.7,2907.22,{"idx":3772,"utterance_id":3773,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3774,"start_s":3775,"end_s":3776,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},581,"81262","It was an invasion of the Brazilian people.",2907.42,2909.24,{"idx":3778,"utterance_id":3779,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3780,"start_s":3781,"end_s":3782,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},582,"81263","Those who voted and those who didn't, but who are obliged to respect the result of the ballot boxes.",2909.64,2913.2,{"idx":3784,"utterance_id":3785,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3786,"start_s":3787,"end_s":3788,"word_count":363,"topic_slug":3543,"topic_label":3544,"target_id":3789,"target_proposition":3790,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1211,"rationale":3791,"indexable":249},583,"81264","And in a line of reasoning that was put forward now, this week, by the American government, in this response to the WTO, which said, look, Brazil has the right to discuss the trade relationship, and the United States said the following: no, it doesn't apply to me, because I'm... here with a political, commercial, ideological ascendancy over the Americas.",2914.34,2936.5,"fb826eba-4509-40d9-b734-11050ccb6105","defend Brazil's right to discuss trade relations at the WTO","emphasizes Brazil's right to discuss trade issues at the WTO.",{"idx":3793,"utterance_id":3794,"speaker_name":8,"text":3795,"start_s":3796,"end_s":3797,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},584,"81265","Today there was a post from the Department of State in that sense, about hegemony.",2937.36,2940.96,{"idx":3799,"utterance_id":3800,"speaker_name":8,"text":3801,"start_s":3802,"end_s":3803,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},585,"81266","But I want to ask you about your election to the Senate, because the first criticism that comes is: you have already been a senator for your Natal State, which is the following — there are three senators per state, the senator has to defend that state.",2941.56,2954.28,{"idx":3805,"utterance_id":3806,"speaker_name":8,"text":3807,"start_s":3808,"end_s":3809,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},586,"81267","And then your opponents will say, 'but she isn't Paulista, she wasn't born here.'",2954.32,2958.42,{"idx":3811,"utterance_id":3812,"speaker_name":8,"text":3813,"start_s":3814,"end_s":3815,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},587,"81268","What is your response to that?",2958.9,2960.16,{"idx":3817,"utterance_id":3818,"speaker_name":8,"text":3819,"start_s":3820,"end_s":3821,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":3822,"topic_label":3823,"target_id":3824,"target_proposition":3825,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2551,"rationale":3826,"indexable":13},588,"81269","How are you going to defend São Paulo without being, let's say, divided, that sort of thing, right?",2960.96,2964.7,"politica-economica-desenvolvimento-regional","Economic Policy \u002F Regional Development","6b7a2907-c0fd-4452-94a0-ab5c58a26daa","defend the interests of the state of São Paulo","asks how she would defend São Paulo, without taking a personal position.",{"idx":3828,"utterance_id":3829,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3830,"start_s":3831,"end_s":3832,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},589,"81270","Well, first of all, São Paulo is made by the hands of all Brazilians.",2965.32,2969.96,{"idx":3834,"utterance_id":3835,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3836,"start_s":3837,"end_s":3838,"word_count":216,"indexable":13},590,"81271","São Paulo has in its DNA that wonderful mix of diversity, of immigrants, like my grandfather who came here and started life not long ago, but started in the interior of São Paulo.",2970.22,2980.02,{"idx":3840,"utterance_id":3841,"speaker_name":8,"text":3842,"start_s":3843,"end_s":3844,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},591,"81272","Brazilians too — there's space here, you see.",2980.06,2981.36,{"idx":3846,"utterance_id":3847,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3848,"start_s":3849,"end_s":3850,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},592,"81273","Right?",2981.54,2982.12,{"idx":3852,"utterance_id":3853,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3854,"start_s":3855,"end_s":3856,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},593,"81274","Like... North, Northeast, South, Center-West.",2982.58,2985.78,{"idx":3858,"utterance_id":3859,"speaker_name":8,"text":3860,"start_s":3861,"end_s":3862,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},594,"81275","There is room for everyone, right?",2985.82,2986.44,{"idx":3864,"utterance_id":3865,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3866,"start_s":3867,"end_s":3868,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},595,"81276","First of all, that.",2986.96,2987.62,{"idx":3870,"utterance_id":3871,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3872,"start_s":3873,"end_s":3874,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},596,"81277","And Alckmin's fantastic line sums up this first part.",2987.78,2990.72,{"idx":3876,"utterance_id":3877,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3878,"start_s":3879,"end_s":3880,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},597,"81278","São Paulo is the only place in the world where Japanese people speak Portuguese with an Italian accent.",2991.54,2995.86,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},598,"81279","First that, right?",2997.18,2997.98,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":139,"indexable":13},599,"81280","São Paulo wouldn't be what it is without that mix of peoples, races, languages, culture and so on.",2998.1,3004.32,{"idx":3894,"utterance_id":3895,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3896,"start_s":3897,"end_s":3898,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},600,"81281","Second, I'm not a newcomer.",3004.76,3006.2,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},601,"81282","I have already received votes in São Paulo.",3006.3,3007.74,{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},602,"81283","The state that welcomed my ideas the most.",3008.08,3010.18,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},603,"81284","I had almost 9% of... the votes in the capital, in an absolutely polarized election in 2022.",3010.72,3016.28,{"idx":3918,"utterance_id":3919,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3920,"start_s":3921,"end_s":3922,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},604,"81285","So I was voted for in São Paulo.",3016.68,3018.62,{"idx":3924,"utterance_id":3925,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3926,"start_s":3927,"end_s":3928,"word_count":214,"indexable":13},605,"81286","Even though a snapshot is a snapshot, we respect it, and I will respect any result from the polls, I will be the first to respect any result from the ballot boxes; today it already shows that there is acceptance regarding my name.",3019.24,3031.34,{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},606,"81287","I am not the most rejected in São Paulo.",3032.2,3033.88,{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},607,"81288","I'm numerically competing for the top two places in the process.",3034.34,3039.84,{"idx":3942,"utterance_id":3943,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3944,"start_s":3945,"end_s":3946,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},608,"81289","My daughters have lived here for 10 years.",3041.16,3042.9,{"idx":3948,"utterance_id":3949,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3950,"start_s":3951,"end_s":3952,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},609,"81290","I was born on the border, I know the entire northwest of São Paulo.",3043.22,3046.18,{"idx":3954,"utterance_id":3955,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3956,"start_s":3957,"end_s":3958,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},610,"81291","Few people know, perhaps, the northwest of São Paulo as well as I do.",3046.4,3050.02,{"idx":3960,"utterance_id":3961,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3962,"start_s":3963,"end_s":3964,"word_count":123,"indexable":13},611,"81292","My godmother is from Arassatuba, my husband is from Birigui, I, as I said, am a Corinthians fan, he's a Palmeiras fan.",3050.66,3056.04,{"idx":3966,"utterance_id":3967,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3968,"start_s":3969,"end_s":3970,"word_count":209,"indexable":13},612,"81293","Also, I still have family in the Marília region, and I studied in São Paulo, did a master's in São Paulo, I own property in São Paulo, I pay taxes in São Paulo.",3056.48,3066.02,{"idx":3972,"utterance_id":3973,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3974,"start_s":3975,"end_s":3976,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},613,"81294","There are few regions in São Paulo that I don't know.",3066.5,3070.7,{"idx":3978,"utterance_id":3979,"speaker_name":8,"text":3980,"start_s":3981,"end_s":3982,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},614,"81295","Marcos always asks where Tarcísio's address is in São Paulo.",3070.74,3074.7,{"idx":3984,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3974,"start_s":3986,"end_s":3987,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},615,"81296",3074.74,3076.5,{"idx":3989,"utterance_id":3990,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3991,"start_s":3992,"end_s":3993,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},616,"81297","I know the administrative region of Arassatuba, the administrative region of Marília, the administrative region of Bauru.",3076.54,3081.2,{"idx":3995,"utterance_id":3996,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":3997,"start_s":3998,"end_s":3999,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},617,"81298","I know the administrative region of São José do Rio Preto.",3081.34,3084.92,{"idx":4001,"utterance_id":4002,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4003,"start_s":4004,"end_s":4005,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},618,"81299","I know the metropolitan region, because I used to come to São Paulo over the last 10 years because of my daughters.",3085.46,3093.02,{"idx":4007,"utterance_id":4008,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4009,"start_s":4010,"end_s":4011,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},619,"81300","Anyway, the region is vast.",3093.1,3095.12,{"idx":4013,"utterance_id":4014,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4015,"start_s":4016,"end_s":4017,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},620,"81301","The coast—I have property on the coast.",3095.5,3097.22,{"idx":4019,"utterance_id":4020,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4021,"start_s":4022,"end_s":4023,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},621,"81302","It's very tiny, okay, folks?",3097.28,3098.32,{"idx":4025,"utterance_id":4026,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4027,"start_s":4028,"end_s":4029,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},622,"81303","I'm saying, it seems like... Yes, they call me a mega-landowner.",3098.36,3101.08,{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},623,"81304","I have a very small apartment.",3101.12,3102.66,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":4037,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4038,"start_s":4039,"end_s":4040,"word_count":310,"indexable":13},"81305","400 meters from the beach, so it's not even on the waterfront there in Guarujá; so I used to go there when I could, Eleitoral Norte, which for me is one of the most beautiful beaches, but more in the Baixada Santista area, around Guarujá, Bertioga, Santos, and so on.",3102.68,3118.22,{"idx":4042,"utterance_id":4043,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4044,"start_s":4045,"end_s":4046,"word_count":216,"indexable":13},625,"81306","And São Paulo's particularity: São Paulo has a socioeconomic particularity very similar to the city where I was born, which is agro-industry, agribusiness, especially the more remote interior of São Paulo.",3121.78,3135.38,{"idx":4048,"utterance_id":4049,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4050,"start_s":4051,"end_s":4052,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},626,"81307","But, again, folks, the last word belongs to the voter.",3135.82,3139.22,{"idx":4054,"utterance_id":4055,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4056,"start_s":4057,"end_s":4058,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},627,"81308","So it's the voter who will decide.",3139.88,3141.3,{"idx":4060,"utterance_id":4061,"speaker_name":8,"text":4062,"start_s":4063,"end_s":4064,"word_count":56,"indexable":13},628,"81309","I'll give you a quick testimony, because I'm not being interviewed, but I came to São Paulo right after graduating, I worked at... Abril, anyway, Editora 3, several places.",3141.72,3150.02,{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":8,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},629,"81310","And it was never a problem not being Paulista, right?",3150.78,3153.08,{"idx":4072,"utterance_id":4073,"speaker_name":8,"text":4074,"start_s":4075,"end_s":4076,"word_count":161,"indexable":13},630,"81311","I mean, I think in all those places Paulistas were not the majority and even if they were they didn't care where you came from.",3153.14,3159.06,{"idx":4078,"utterance_id":4079,"speaker_name":8,"text":4080,"start_s":4081,"end_s":4082,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},631,"81312","I've always thought that was São Paulo's greatest charm, right?",3159.2,3161.5,{"idx":4084,"utterance_id":4085,"speaker_name":8,"text":4086,"start_s":4087,"end_s":4088,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},632,"81313","I mean, in other states it's different.",3161.56,3164.52,{"idx":4090,"utterance_id":4091,"speaker_name":8,"text":4092,"start_s":4093,"end_s":4094,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},633,"81314","Other states are more cliquish.",3164.6,3165.8,{"idx":4096,"utterance_id":4097,"speaker_name":8,"text":4098,"start_s":4099,"end_s":4100,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},634,"81315","Later I worked in Minas, it's not the same thing.",3165.84,3167.82,{"idx":4102,"utterance_id":4103,"speaker_name":8,"text":4104,"start_s":4105,"end_s":4106,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},635,"81316","There they used to call me a Paulista even though I wasn't Paulista.",3168.2,3169.94,{"idx":4108,"utterance_id":4109,"speaker_name":8,"text":4110,"start_s":4111,"end_s":4112,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},636,"81317","Anyway, there's this whole story.",3170.04,3171.14,{"idx":4114,"utterance_id":4115,"speaker_name":8,"text":4116,"start_s":4117,"end_s":4118,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},637,"81318","São Paulo is different.",3171.6,3172.82,{"idx":4120,"utterance_id":4121,"speaker_name":8,"text":4122,"start_s":4123,"end_s":4124,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},638,"81319","São Paulo is a truly welcoming state, right?",3172.88,3176.34,{"idx":4126,"utterance_id":4127,"speaker_name":8,"text":4128,"start_s":4129,"end_s":4130,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},639,"81320","But now I want to ask you something else.",3177.06,3178.42,{"idx":4132,"utterance_id":4133,"speaker_name":8,"text":4134,"start_s":4135,"end_s":4136,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},640,"81321","Let's imagine everything goes well, polls indicate success for your candidacy and also for Marina Silva.",3178.48,3186.88,{"idx":4138,"utterance_id":4139,"speaker_name":8,"text":4140,"start_s":4141,"end_s":4142,"word_count":76,"indexable":13},641,"81322","Haddad has a bigger challenge, everyone is following 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position.",{"idx":4167,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":4161,"topic_label":4162,"target_id":4163,"target_proposition":4164,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":4172,"indexable":249},645,"81326","I don't—first, I don't believe the President will invite me, unless it's like, well, I'm inviting you just to invite you, but not to accept, okay, Simone?",3199.2,3205.06,"states 'eu não' accept the invitation and indicates a preference to remain in the Senate.",{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},646,"81327","That's how I think it will be.",3205.16,3206.22,{"idx":4180,"utterance_id":4181,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4182,"start_s":4183,"end_s":4184,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},647,"81328","Because the biggest clash—he has lots of competent people, and what we don't lack in Brazil is competent people to take any ministry.",3206.74,3213.52,{"idx":4186,"utterance_id":4187,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4188,"start_s":4189,"end_s":4190,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},648,"81329","So he doesn't need me.",3214.02,3214.9,{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},649,"81330","I've already been a minister.",3215.64,3216.4,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":4203,"topic_label":4204,"target_id":4205,"target_proposition":4206,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":4207,"indexable":249},650,"81331","What he will need is a bulwark of containment against the civilizational setbacks that may be coming.",3217.14,3223.96,"democracia-e-participacao-eleitoral","Democracy & Electoral Participation","7b74b1b8-cd46-4773-bbbf-cdcd7b2f7cb8","preserve credibility and independence of democratic institutions","proposes creating a 'muralha de contenção' in the Senate against setbacks.",{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":4203,"topic_label":4204,"target_id":4214,"target_proposition":4215,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4216,"indexable":13},651,"81332","in the Federal Senate, which today tends to be majority, when I say the right, it's that extremist right that flirts with unconstitutional precepts.",3224.3,3236.04,"cda5fe40-25bb-47b7-a494-20e5f479c6dc","protect the Federal Constitution and unamendable clauses","describes a trend of a far-right majority that flirts with unconstitutionality.",{"idx":4218,"utterance_id":4219,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4220,"start_s":4221,"end_s":4222,"word_count":292,"topic_slug":4203,"topic_label":4204,"target_id":4214,"target_proposition":4215,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":4223,"indexable":13},652,"81333","The great problem of democracy today is on that side over there, not the center-right or the democratic conservative right—it's them getting 48 senators and having the quorum to change the Federal Constitution, because then they change everything.",3237.52,3252.68,"warns about the risk of a quorum enabling constitutional change without a specific proposal.",{"idx":4225,"utterance_id":4226,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4227,"start_s":4228,"end_s":4229,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},653,"81334","They can change 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women.",{"idx":4242,"utterance_id":4243,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4244,"start_s":4245,"end_s":4246,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":4203,"topic_label":4204,"target_id":4205,"target_proposition":4206,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":247,"rationale":4247,"indexable":249},655,"81336","So we will have to wage a battle, a bulwark of containment.",3266.84,3270.6,"states the need for a 'batalha' and a 'muralha de contenção' against setbacks.",{"idx":4249,"utterance_id":4250,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4251,"start_s":4252,"end_s":4253,"word_count":268,"indexable":13},656,"81337","In my life, I was born... Simone de Beauvoir has a wonderful line, I have the name Simone because my father gave me the name Simone because he liked... Paul Sartre, partner of Simone de Beauvoir.",3271.3,3283.56,{"idx":4255,"utterance_id":4256,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4257,"start_s":4258,"end_s":4259,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},657,"81338","So, at least...",3283.6,3284.48,{"idx":4261,"utterance_id":4262,"speaker_name":8,"text":4263,"start_s":4264,"end_s":4265,"word_count":58,"indexable":13},658,"81339","So your father was an existentialist leftist.",3284.52,3287.3,{"idx":4267,"utterance_id":4268,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4269,"start_s":4270,"end_s":4271,"word_count":173,"indexable":13},659,"81340","He was a centrist, I think he was center-left who liked human rights—human rights was an issue that always attracted my father a lot.",3287.68,3296.96,{"idx":4273,"utterance_id":4274,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4275,"start_s":4276,"end_s":4277,"word_count":99,"indexable":13},660,"81341","And then my father and Simone de Beauvoir... Evoá has a wonderful phrase: 'One is not born a woman, one becomes a woman.'",3298.08,3303.78,{"idx":4279,"utterance_id":4280,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4281,"start_s":4282,"end_s":4283,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},661,"81342","Because we become women through pain, through struggle, through courage.",3304.06,3307.32,{"idx":4285,"utterance_id":4286,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4287,"start_s":4288,"end_s":4289,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},662,"81343","I was born in the middle of nowhere, I was absolutely shy.",3307.68,3310.38,{"idx":4291,"utterance_id":4292,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4293,"start_s":4294,"end_s":4295,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},663,"81344","I was never class president, I was never a speaker, I don't know what.",3310.42,3313.74,{"idx":4297,"utterance_id":4298,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4299,"start_s":4300,"end_s":4301,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},664,"81345","I built that through pain, through necessity.",3313.86,3317.04,{"idx":4303,"utterance_id":4304,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4305,"start_s":4306,"end_s":4307,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},665,"81346","So, today, I feel that I need to be in the Federal Senate, if elected, because your question was, right?",3317.7,3324.64,{"idx":4309,"utterance_id":4310,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4311,"start_s":4312,"end_s":4313,"word_count":12,"topic_slug":4161,"topic_label":4162,"target_id":4163,"target_proposition":4164,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":456,"rationale":4314,"indexable":249},666,"81347","If elected, I need to be in the Federal Senate.",3325.12,3327.86,"declares she needs to be in the Senate to face political setbacks.",{"idx":4316,"utterance_id":4317,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4318,"start_s":4319,"end_s":4320,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},667,"81348","Because today I have eight years' experience as a senator, I have the courage I didn't have in the past, I have the know-how from having been mayor, lieutenant governor, senator, state deputy, minister of State, presidential candidate, I know all of Brazil, so that we can confront this.",3328.3,3346.62,{"idx":4322,"utterance_id":4323,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4324,"start_s":4325,"end_s":4326,"word_count":51,"topic_slug":3822,"topic_label":3823,"target_id":4327,"target_proposition":4328,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1053,"rationale":4329,"indexable":13},668,"81349","And in parallel... to project São Paulo again.",3346.96,3349.7,"3749f986-eb36-40d0-b81c-5e0c94cd725f","promote the economic development of São Paulo","proposes to 'projetar São Paulo novamente', indicating a development action.",{"idx":4331,"utterance_id":4332,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4333,"start_s":4334,"end_s":4335,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},669,"81350","São Paulo cannot pull Brazil backwards.",3349.76,3351.72,{"idx":4337,"utterance_id":4338,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4339,"start_s":4340,"end_s":4341,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":3822,"topic_label":3823,"target_id":4342,"target_proposition":4343,"stance":237,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":4344,"indexable":13},670,"81351","And last year São Paulo pulled Brazil backwards, because Brazil grew 2.5%, São Paulo grew only half a percent.",3351.76,3356.74,"0ca4d610-6ae6-4cea-b0c2-446738b1370e","promote economic growth in São Paulo","presents comparative statistics on economic growth (SP versus Brazil).",{"idx":4346,"utterance_id":4347,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4348,"start_s":4349,"end_s":4350,"word_count":222,"indexable":13},671,"81352","If São Paulo accounts for almost a quarter of GDP—actually an even larger share as the driving force of Brazil—when São Paulo grows only half a percent... I have a complication there: they drag it down.",3357.26,3371.38,{"idx":4352,"utterance_id":4353,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4354,"start_s":4355,"end_s":4356,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":3822,"topic_label":3823,"target_id":4357,"target_proposition":4358,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":4359,"indexable":249},672,"81353","So, I think we have some duties to fulfill in relation to São Paulo.",3371.44,3374.7,"e39e265e-c0de-4f5a-be1b-2d6e2f83099f","attract more federal resources and projects to São Paulo","states she has 'deveres' to fulfill regarding the development of São Paulo.",{"idx":4361,"utterance_id":4362,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4363,"start_s":4364,"end_s":4365,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":3822,"topic_label":3823,"target_id":4366,"target_proposition":4367,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":1735,"rationale":4368,"indexable":249},673,"81354","Bring as many amendments, funds, works, infrastructure as possible, without doubt, but open the office, as senator, to the 645 municipalities.",3375,3384.96,"7dc4924c-1c55-4e31-9123-49af3f30491d","attract federal amendments, funds, and projects to São Paulo","proposes 'trazer o máximo possível de emendas, verbas, obras, infraestrutura'.",{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":38,"speaker_slug":39,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":51,"topic_slug":4375,"topic_label":4376,"target_id":4377,"target_proposition":4378,"stance":246,"stance_confidence":278,"rationale":4379,"indexable":13},674,"81355","I've always been a municipalist while mayor.",3385.26,3387.2,"gestao-publica-e-administracao-estadual","Public Management","057d699d-bb27-4b4c-ba44-46f93914840e","decentralize federal public management to states and municipalities","states 'sempre fui municipalista' defending strong municipal 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