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accelerate them.",548.94,551.4,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":39,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},96,"65335","You'll really have to give up part of the State you created.",551.86,557.6,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":39,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":59,"indexable":14},97,"65336","Actually, I'll tell you something.",559.36,561.16,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":39,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},98,"65337","The public sector has become very bloated; it is very inefficient.",563.3,569.74,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":39,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},99,"65338","There are things that can be done.",571.26,572.88,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":39,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":28,"indexable":14},100,"65339","My objection, Haddad, is the following.",573.7,575.46,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":39,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},101,"65340","You clogged it up.",577.34,579.12,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":39,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":59,"indexable":14},102,"65341","Congress is suffering from a serious digestive problem.",579.74,584.5,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":39,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},103,"65342","It's going to need an antacid to survive this process.",585.16,589.66,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":39,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},104,"65343","There is even an alternative program to Guedes' in Congress.",590.3,595.78,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":39,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":178,"indexable":14},105,"65344","Just look at the following: Guedes, in my opinion correctly, knows that the tax reform programs on the table... are very difficult to implement.",596.56,615.58,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":39,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},106,"65345","And also of doubtful outcome.",616.44,619.8,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":39,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":101,"indexable":14},107,"65346","I'm amazed when someone proposes in Brazil to do something that will last 10 years.",621.6,626.78,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":39,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},108,"65347","I'm 91 and a half years old.",627.94,629.52,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":39,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},109,"65348","I've already learned in government that every time you set a date, its fate is to be extended.",631.16,638.36,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":39,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":114,"indexable":14},110,"65349","Over all these years, we developed a corporatism; 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