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the direction this is taking.",59.12,68.3,28,{"idx":104,"utterance_id":105,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":106,"start_s":107,"end_s":108,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},15,"72460","But in the social area it's more dramatic.",69.04,71.36,{"idx":110,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":115,"indexable":14},16,"72461","And returning to education, which was your entry point into politics, do you already have an assessment of the launch of this program to which no university has yet adhered?",71.94,85.8,30,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":117,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":118,"start_s":119,"end_s":120,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},"72462","And I fear that...",86.1,87,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":123,"speaker_name":25,"text":124,"start_s":125,"end_s":126,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},18,"72463","None will 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here's my cellphone — there is no need to request a breach of confidentiality, no judge needs to authorize what, in my view, the authorities are legitimately allowed to investigate.",1362.68,1378.38,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},273,"72718","That was not followed by any member of the task force.",1379.46,1383.64,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},274,"72719","How do you assess that?",1385.8,1387.14,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},275,"72720","What are we facing, after all?",1388.14,1390.72,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},276,"72721","What is a parallel state?",1390.8,1392.92,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},277,"72722","What is being created in Brazil?",1393.58,1395.16,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},278,"72723","Because you were talking about the truth.",1395.24,1397.14,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},279,"72724","We start to get very worried when we realize that the truth doesn't stick.",1399.66,1404.54,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":25,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},280,"72725","There is no longer an idea of truth.",1404.96,1407.26,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},281,"72726","The idea doesn't catch on.",1407.74,1408.76,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},282,"72727","You say, look, I'm not arguing whether I have the right or not to go to Miami.",1409.08,1413.92,{"idx":1705,"utterance_id":1706,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1707,"start_s":1708,"end_s":1709,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},283,"72728","I'm saying that I didn't go.",1413.96,1415.12,{"idx":1711,"utterance_id":1712,"speaker_name":25,"text":1713,"start_s":1714,"end_s":1715,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},284,"72729","I don't know the city.",1415.22,1416.5,{"idx":1717,"utterance_id":1718,"speaker_name":25,"text":1719,"start_s":1720,"end_s":1721,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},285,"72730","I don't want to debate whether I can visit it.",1416.54,1419.92,{"idx":1723,"utterance_id":1724,"speaker_name":25,"text":1725,"start_s":1726,"end_s":1727,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},286,"72731","Especially because...",1420.18,1420.94,{"idx":1729,"utterance_id":1730,"speaker_name":25,"text":1731,"start_s":1732,"end_s":1733,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},287,"72732","I can go, but I didn't.",1421.56,1423.56,{"idx":1735,"utterance_id":1736,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1737,"start_s":1738,"end_s":1739,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},288,"72733","Exactly. The other thing that is mortally wounded is justice, which depends on the truth.",1424.28,1432.22,{"idx":1741,"utterance_id":1742,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1743,"start_s":1744,"end_s":1745,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},289,"72734","Justice cannot be done if you don't have access to the facts, access to the reality of the facts.",1433.64,1440,{"idx":1747,"utterance_id":1748,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1749,"start_s":1750,"end_s":1751,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},290,"72735","So justice is a second victim of the death of truth, because there is no justice without truth.",1440.3,1446.94,{"idx":1753,"utterance_id":1754,"speaker_name":25,"text":1755,"start_s":1756,"end_s":1757,"word_count":209,"indexable":14},291,"72736","And it, in fact, in my interpretation, is responsible for the death of truth, because it should... 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There were several written messages, right?",1544.32,1549.44,{"idx":1879,"utterance_id":1880,"speaker_name":25,"text":1881,"start_s":1882,"end_s":1883,"word_count":442,"indexable":14},312,"72757","Saying they wanted to pass content to me, that they had content related to crimes by authorities of the Brazilian State; I knew there was nothing wrong, I'm a journalist, so I could receive the content, but the first thing I thought was, I have to pass this content to someone who is better able to assess its legitimacy, because it's not easy to distribute content that can break Brazilian institutions.",1550.12,1576.46,{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":25,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},313,"72758","Of course.",1576.66,1576.92,{"idx":1891,"utterance_id":1892,"speaker_name":25,"text":1893,"start_s":1894,"end_s":1895,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},314,"72759","If it's not true, then it has to be the best.",1577.2,1579.22,{"idx":1897,"utterance_id":1898,"speaker_name":25,"text":1899,"start_s":1900,"end_s":1901,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},315,"72760","Who is the best at this?",1579.5,1580.82,{"idx":1903,"utterance_id":1904,"speaker_name":25,"text":1905,"start_s":1906,"end_s":1907,"word_count":47,"indexable":14},316,"72761","So, that's why I suggested Glenn.",1581.54,1583.58,{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":25,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},317,"72762","Who is the person most able to see if this is true, if these documents are legitimate, and who has the responsibility to do that?",1583.88,1591.6,{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":25,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},318,"72763","Someone who has a perspective that isn't a 'hype — I'll put everything on Twitter tomorrow to get famous' perspective.",1591.86,1596.58,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},319,"72764","That is, check the veracity.",1597.34,1598.74,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":25,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},320,"72765","Exactly, so my plan wasn't like that.",1598.8,1600.5,{"idx":1933,"utterance_id":1934,"speaker_name":25,"text":1935,"start_s":1936,"end_s":1937,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},321,"72766","The conversations, and these conversations have all been in the hands of the police for a long time.",1601.5,1604.52,{"idx":1939,"utterance_id":1940,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1941,"start_s":1942,"end_s":1943,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},322,"72767","They were all preserved.",1604.56,1605.7,{"idx":1945,"utterance_id":1946,"speaker_name":25,"text":1947,"start_s":1948,"end_s":1949,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},323,"72768","They were preserved by me.",1605.96,1607.24,{"idx":1951,"utterance_id":1952,"speaker_name":25,"text":1953,"start_s":1954,"end_s":1955,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},324,"72769","By you.",1607.3,1608.32,{"idx":1957,"utterance_id":1958,"speaker_name":25,"text":1959,"start_s":1960,"end_s":1961,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},325,"72770","Immediately I have crimes committed by authorities; 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their own political interests.",1785.92,1806.4,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":25,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":89,"indexable":14},386,"72831","Because before, we used to say—before Vaza Jato—we used to say, 'Operation Lava Jato is political; they want to finish off the left.'",1807,1813.2,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":25,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":104,"indexable":14},387,"72832","Now we know that they wanted to finish off the left and seize power.",1813.34,1815.96,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":25,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},388,"72833","Moro is in the Ministry of Justice and Dallagnol is talking to himself, in that lively therapy session he has with himself.",1816,1821.9,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":25,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":133,"indexable":14},389,"72834","He reminds me of that character from 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