[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":-1},["ShallowReactive",2],{"transcript-d0342c56-79bf-4bf0-b913-c7169f321b3b-en":3,"transcript-poster-d0342c56-79bf-4bf0-b913-c7169f321b3b":1561,"footer-top-topics-en":1562,"footer-top-speakers-en":1605},{"falas":4,"lang":1548,"meta":1549},[5,14,21,28,33,39,45,52,58,64,70,84,94,101,107,119,128,141,151,158,168,176,184,196,205,215,221,231,236,242,248,256,265,273,282,289,296,306,311,317,328,337,343,349,360,368,374,380,386,392,398,404,410,417,422,431,440,446,452,458,464,470,481,493,499,506,517,528,537,547,553,562,573,579,585,591,600,606,612,618,625,631,637,643,649,658,664,670,679,685,691,697,703,709,715,724,730,736,742,748,754,765,771,777,783,789,795,801,807,813,819,825,831,837,844,850,856,867,873,880,886,895,901,907,913,919,925,931,936,942,948,959,965,971,977,983,989,995,1006,1016,1024,1035,1042,1049,1060,1071,1077,1083,1094,1101,1110,1121,1129,1136,1148,1159,1168,1175,1184,1193,1199,1210,1217,1224,1231,1242,1254,1261,1268,1280,1286,1295,1302,1309,1315,1321,1327,1336,1343,1350,1359,1365,1371,1382,1388,1393,1399,1405,1411,1417,1423,1429,1435,1441,1447,1453,1459,1465,1471,1477,1483,1489,1495,1501,1507,1513,1519,1531,1542],{"idx":6,"utterance_id":7,"speaker_name":8,"text":9,"start_s":10,"end_s":11,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},0,"84198","Desconhecido","Now it's time for us to welcome Kim Kataguiri here on The News to discuss the day's top stories with us.",0.14,5.78,26,false,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":16,"speaker_name":8,"text":17,"start_s":18,"end_s":19,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1,"84199","Good morning, Kim.",6.12,6.74,3,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":23,"speaker_name":8,"text":24,"start_s":25,"end_s":26,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},2,"84200","Good morning, thank you for the invitation.",7.12,8.46,5,{"idx":20,"utterance_id":29,"speaker_name":8,"text":30,"start_s":31,"end_s":32,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},"84201","Go ahead, Kim.",8.76,9.28,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":35,"speaker_name":8,"text":36,"start_s":37,"end_s":38,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},4,"84202","Good morning.",9.38,9.86,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":40,"speaker_name":8,"text":41,"start_s":42,"end_s":43,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},"84203","It's a pleasure to have you here on The News program.",10.12,12.5,10,{"idx":46,"utterance_id":47,"speaker_name":8,"text":48,"start_s":49,"end_s":50,"word_count":51,"indexable":13},6,"84204","Man, the goal here is for us to discuss the main news of today, hear a bit of your view on the events and share it with our crowd, with The News' audience, alright?",13.16,23.92,37,{"idx":53,"utterance_id":54,"speaker_name":8,"text":55,"start_s":56,"end_s":57,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},7,"84205","Great, let's go.",24.28,25.04,{"idx":59,"utterance_id":60,"speaker_name":8,"text":61,"start_s":62,"end_s":63,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},8,"84206","Awesome.",25.3,25.78,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":66,"speaker_name":8,"text":67,"start_s":68,"end_s":69,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},9,"84207","Alright, Kim.",25.92,26.72,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":71,"speaker_name":8,"text":72,"start_s":73,"end_s":74,"word_count":75,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":78,"target_proposition":79,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":82,"indexable":83},"84208","So, we've just brought to the audience a bit about the government's move to tighten commercial ties with other countries in the aftermath of the tariff barrage.",26.76,38.4,30,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Foreign Policy and Diplomacy","f6b9f1f7-5605-4a88-bba6-8cc1bfda8b69","expand trade relations and international agreements","neutro_descritivo",0.75,"Reports government moves to strengthen ties, without taking a stance.",true,{"idx":85,"utterance_id":86,"speaker_name":8,"text":87,"start_s":88,"end_s":89,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":90,"target_proposition":91,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":93,"indexable":83},11,"84209","So the Brazilian government filed a case with the WTO against the recent tariff barrage.",38.48,44.36,"2b088745-ed28-41b9-af30-ad09e78af2a9","bring WTO action against foreign tariff measures",0.8,"Reports that the government appealed to the WTO, factual report without advocacy.",{"idx":95,"utterance_id":96,"speaker_name":8,"text":97,"start_s":98,"end_s":99,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},12,"84210","And what's your reading, your opinion about these tariffs, about the government's reaction?",44.76,49.22,16,{"idx":102,"utterance_id":103,"speaker_name":8,"text":104,"start_s":105,"end_s":106,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},13,"84211","How do you see that?",49.26,50.5,{"idx":108,"utterance_id":109,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":78,"target_proposition":79,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":118,"indexable":83},14,"84212","Kim Kataguiri","kim-kataguiri","I think Brazil has to increasingly seek commercial partners and that it's a stupid move by the American government to implement these successive tariffs, because that pushes us away from the United States, it reduces the United States' share in the Brazilian economy at a moment when tightening commercial relations with Brazil would also strengthen a geopolitical position for the United States.",50.92,75.8,68,"a_favor",0.9,"States 'o Brasil tem que buscar cada vez mais parceiros comerciais'.",{"idx":120,"utterance_id":121,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":122,"start_s":123,"end_s":124,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":78,"target_proposition":79,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":127,"indexable":13},15,"84213","The more they impose tariffs against us, the more they push us toward China, the more they push us toward other trading partners, to Southeast Asia, to the European Union, and so on.",75.86,87.24,32,0.7,"Describes the consequence (tariffs push trade around the world) without proposing action.",{"idx":100,"utterance_id":129,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":130,"start_s":131,"end_s":132,"word_count":133,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":136,"target_proposition":137,"stance":138,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":140,"indexable":83},"84214","I think this is a short-term strategy by the American government to try to bring back the industry they lost, mainly to China over recent years, but I don't think, generally speaking, it will be successful.",88.4,105.28,44,"politica-comercial","Commercial Policy","561472c3-c791-42ee-bc18-e03e80a382aa","impose tariffs on Brazilian imports","contra",0.85,"Calls the strategy 'curto prazista' and says it will not succeed.",{"idx":142,"utterance_id":143,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":144,"start_s":145,"end_s":146,"word_count":115,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":147,"target_proposition":148,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":149,"rationale":150,"indexable":83},17,"84215","Of course... Trump's tariff barrage became a political platform in Brazil, with Bolsonaro supporters shifting the blame onto Lula, who in fact conducts an incompetent and lazy negotiation. It suits Lula to have a tariff barrage against Brazil, because his government is doing poorly, his administration is poorly rated, and there's nothing better for a poorly rated government than an external enemy to divert attention.",105.52,129.98,"b5be9ed6-d8c3-4195-bf95-aa678b481e9b","negotiate trade disputes with the United States through diplomatic dialogue",0.78,"Criticizes another government's 'incompetente' negotiation, urging better negotiation.",{"idx":152,"utterance_id":153,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":154,"start_s":155,"end_s":156,"word_count":157,"indexable":13},18,"84216","On the other side, you have... from Flávio Bolsonaro, that claim that the tariffs wouldn't be against the companies, they'd be against Lula.",130.4,140.46,29,{"idx":159,"utterance_id":160,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":161,"start_s":162,"end_s":163,"word_count":164,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":165,"target_proposition":166,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":167,"indexable":83},19,"84217","Lula doesn't export anything to the United States; companies export, so he is not harmed at all.",140.94,145.46,21,"99d066cf-b0d9-4388-9c02-6dc26d9a2592","export Brazilian products to the United States","Says exporters are companies, describing the impact without proposing action.",{"idx":169,"utterance_id":170,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":171,"start_s":172,"end_s":173,"word_count":174,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":136,"target_proposition":137,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":175,"indexable":13},20,"84218","At the same time he says, look, the timing of the tariff barrage is bad, as if there were a good time for Brazil to suffer that.",146.36,154.7,25,"Judges the timing of the tariffs as bad, reports the measure without proposing action.",{"idx":164,"utterance_id":177,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":178,"start_s":179,"end_s":180,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":181,"target_proposition":182,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":183,"indexable":83},"84219","In practice, sanctions by the United States.",155.54,158.66,"2ceea52b-cb24-4439-a5d3-238d4fb78abc","impose economic sanctions against Brazil","Defines the tariff measure as sanctions, without explicit political advocacy.",{"idx":185,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":191,"topic_label":192,"target_id":193,"target_proposition":194,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":195,"indexable":83},22,"84220","So, unfortunately, Brazil, like over the last 40 years, didn't do its homework, didn't implement tax reform, didn't implement administrative reform, didn't invest in infrastructure, didn't invest in workforce training; Brazil fell behind other emerging countries and we have a very weak domestic economy that does not put us in a position.",158.72,177.38,62,"politica-monetaria","Monetary Policy","dd990a10-7214-4e65-8622-69d6a0094aac","increase investment in infrastructure, skills training, and science and technology","Criticizes the historical lack of reforms and calls for them to restore competitiveness.",{"idx":197,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":164,"topic_slug":191,"topic_label":192,"target_id":202,"target_proposition":203,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":204,"indexable":83},23,"84221","to defend ourselves adequately against Trump's tariff barrage, which is doing its role of defending the United States' interests.",177.8,184.8,"e1cac4c0-40ea-43c3-9a5b-4307ad1d5875","strengthen the domestic economy to reduce vulnerability to tariff measures","Calls for adequate defense against tariffs, advocating economic strengthening.",{"idx":206,"utterance_id":207,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":208,"start_s":209,"end_s":210,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":212,"target_proposition":213,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":214,"indexable":83},24,"84222","I have no illusions, as some on the right tend to believe that Trump is concerned with freedom of expression in Brazil or anything else.",185.12,193.88,27,"994eb3c4-ade9-441d-afae-261520e012a2","prioritize national interests in international security decisions","Attributes an intention to prioritize interests to the US, describing motivation.",{"idx":174,"utterance_id":216,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":217,"start_s":218,"end_s":219,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":212,"target_proposition":213,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":220,"indexable":83},"84223","Trump is concerned with the United States, the same way he imposes tariffs on other countries around the world.",194.06,199.42,"Reaffirms that Trump acts to defend American interests; interpretive account.",{"idx":12,"utterance_id":222,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":223,"start_s":224,"end_s":225,"word_count":226,"topic_slug":191,"topic_label":192,"target_id":227,"target_proposition":228,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":230,"indexable":83},"84224","Unfortunately, the Brazilian political class, which is not concerned with Brazil and did not strengthen our economy in past decades, so that we wouldn't be in a pathetic position of being a hostage to China and the United States and of constantly hearing insults from the European Union, we wouldn't be in this position if we had solved our domestic problems long ago.",200.08,223.56,63,"9e9310f1-113f-44e1-9468-363bc87fe8f7","strengthen the Brazilian economy",0.88,"Criticizes the political class and advocates strengthening the economy with reforms and investments.",{"idx":211,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},"84225","Anyway, in any case, we're in that situation.",223.64,225.96,{"idx":237,"utterance_id":238,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":239,"start_s":240,"end_s":241,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},28,"84226","I think it's natural.",226.6,228.58,{"idx":157,"utterance_id":243,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":244,"start_s":245,"end_s":246,"word_count":108,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":78,"target_proposition":79,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":247,"indexable":13},"84227","With these tariffs, the United States ends up pushing us toward other trading partners.",229.62,234.54,"Predicts that tariffs will bring Brazil closer to other partners; descriptive.",{"idx":75,"utterance_id":249,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":250,"start_s":251,"end_s":252,"word_count":120,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":253,"target_proposition":254,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":255,"indexable":83},"84228","I don't think that this commercial space should be exclusive to China.",234.96,242.6,"4a26ea56-a62c-4078-97ff-55c281d62ebd","diversify trade partners to reduce dependence on exports to China","Says commercial space should not be China's exclusive domain, proposing diversification.",{"idx":257,"utterance_id":258,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":259,"start_s":260,"end_s":261,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":262,"target_proposition":263,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":264,"indexable":83},31,"84229","Personally, within the Chamber of Deputies, I voted in favor — I think the main agreement of Brazil with the ASEAN was the Brazil-Mercosur-Singapore Free Trade Agreement.",242.72,253.18,"6e579daa-d6cc-4df9-9cb5-d31dcc7a0b53","approve and ratify the Free Trade Agreement between Mercosur and Singapore","Claims to have voted in favor of the Brazil-Mercosur-Singapore agreement as a concrete action.",{"idx":125,"utterance_id":266,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":267,"start_s":268,"end_s":269,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":270,"target_proposition":271,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":272,"indexable":83},"84230","There is currently a negotiation for a Mercosur-Japan Free Trade Agreement.",253.4,257.22,"a16c0437-cd8b-4586-8e25-cfdfb9642a38","advance negotiations of a free trade agreement between Japan and Mercosur","Says negotiations are ongoing, reports progress without opining.",{"idx":274,"utterance_id":275,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":276,"start_s":277,"end_s":278,"word_count":44,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":279,"target_proposition":280,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":281,"indexable":83},33,"84231","And there was progress on the agreement with the European Union.",257.7,262.34,"54e6e046-2aec-4e68-a563-5804da745abe","advance a trade agreement with the European Union","Reports progress on the agreement with the EU without further position.",{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":262,"target_proposition":263,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":288,"indexable":83},34,"84232","So, Brazil should have made these agreements a long time ago.",262.42,266.32,"Says Brazil should already have made these agreements, advocating their approval.",{"idx":290,"utterance_id":291,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":292,"start_s":293,"end_s":294,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":134,"topic_label":135,"target_id":262,"target_proposition":263,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":295,"indexable":83},35,"84233","Of course there is also resistance from some productive sectors in other countries, but Brazil also lacked effort.",266.9,274.4,"Blames the lack of agreements on insufficient effort by Brazil, urging commitment.",{"idx":297,"utterance_id":298,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":299,"start_s":300,"end_s":301,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":76,"topic_label":77,"target_id":302,"target_proposition":303,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":304,"rationale":305,"indexable":13},36,"84234","And the more the United States pushes us toward other economies, the worse it is for the United States.",274.56,279.06,"fea4d6a0-6a7b-49ae-824e-071bcb1eab93","diversify trading partners to reduce dependence on the United States",0.65,"States a geopolitical consequence without proposing immediate action.",{"idx":51,"utterance_id":307,"speaker_name":8,"text":308,"start_s":309,"end_s":310,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},"84235","That's right.",280.56,281.06,{"idx":312,"utterance_id":313,"speaker_name":8,"text":314,"start_s":315,"end_s":316,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},38,"84236","Kim, linking here now to another extremely recent topic that has generated a lot of discussion.",281.14,286.62,{"idx":318,"utterance_id":319,"speaker_name":8,"text":320,"start_s":321,"end_s":322,"word_count":152,"topic_slug":323,"topic_label":324,"target_id":325,"target_proposition":326,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":327,"indexable":83},39,"84237","In the last few days a video made with artificial intelligence of Bolsonaro supporting Flávio's candidacy has come out.",287.58,293.34,"processo-eleitoral","Electoral Process","0ba9a29d-de7b-46be-819d-a1007a491d07","use AI-generated videos in electoral campaigns","Reports a deepfake showing support for a candidate, without giving an opinion.",{"idx":329,"utterance_id":330,"speaker_name":8,"text":331,"start_s":332,"end_s":333,"word_count":120,"topic_slug":323,"topic_label":324,"target_id":334,"target_proposition":335,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":336,"indexable":83},40,"84238","PT filed a case with the TSE (Superior Electoral Court) and brought the matter to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) for premature electoral propaganda.",294.14,299.44,"da1c1333-4153-4269-a7b0-80e9607cc15c","take legal action in courts over early electoral campaigning","Reports that PT took action with TSE (Superior Electoral Court)\u002FSTF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) over premature campaigning; factual report.",{"idx":338,"utterance_id":339,"speaker_name":8,"text":340,"start_s":341,"end_s":342,"word_count":185,"indexable":13},41,"84239","How do you read this situation of people and parties using these AI videos in this final stretch of the election?",299.88,307.82,{"idx":344,"utterance_id":345,"speaker_name":8,"text":346,"start_s":347,"end_s":348,"word_count":174,"indexable":13},42,"84240","And what's your view, looking forward and thinking about new cases, on the impact of AI and deepfakes on elections as a whole?",308.26,315.82,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":351,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":352,"start_s":353,"end_s":354,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":355,"topic_label":356,"target_id":357,"target_proposition":358,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":359,"indexable":83},43,"84241","I think in this specific case the AI even starts by saying it was a video generated by AI, but it raises the alarm about the use of artificial intelligence to deceive people.",316.24,329.86,"tecnologia-e-democracia","Technology and Democracy","b4ff5632-a56e-4c90-8e05-a7c1be479914","warn about use of artificial intelligence to deceive voters","Says the video raises an alert about using AI to deceive, without proposing regulation.",{"idx":133,"utterance_id":361,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":362,"start_s":363,"end_s":364,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":323,"topic_label":324,"target_id":365,"target_proposition":366,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":367,"indexable":83},"84242","It's obvious this is a very grotesque mistake and it was made to be a caricature, but it doesn't comply with electoral law and very likely PT will be able to overturn it in court.",329.94,341.92,"e3eb2038-8e8e-4475-b992-e4d3412376c9","apply electoral law against early campaign propaganda produced by AI","States the video violates the law and may be struck down in court.",{"idx":369,"utterance_id":370,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":371,"start_s":372,"end_s":373,"word_count":152,"indexable":13},45,"84243","The record we've had shows that AI is not such a recent thing from an electoral point of view.",343.08,350.98,{"idx":375,"utterance_id":376,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":377,"start_s":378,"end_s":379,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},46,"84244","Other countries have already had elections with advanced artificial intelligence, with the capacity to generate very faithful videos.",351.42,360.34,{"idx":381,"utterance_id":382,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":383,"start_s":384,"end_s":385,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},47,"84245","I think before, millennials and Gen Z joked that only older people fell for deepfakes and AI videos.",360.68,371.46,{"idx":387,"utterance_id":388,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":389,"start_s":390,"end_s":391,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},48,"84246","Today, when it's done with quality, when someone really puts a lot of effort into developing that video, it can deceive any generation, regardless of age.",372.5,382.5,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},49,"84247","But I would say, of course, that there is that concern.",383.12,385.78,{"idx":399,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},50,"84248","So, I remember past elections, when there was a lot of fake news from every side.",386.1,393.44,{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":85,"indexable":13},51,"84249","You saw a debate in the streets that was frighteningly shallow, superficial.",393.6,400.04,{"idx":411,"utterance_id":412,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":413,"start_s":414,"end_s":415,"word_count":416,"indexable":13},52,"84250","And even though you didn't need any lies to criticize either Jair Bolsonaro or Lula—you could criticize both with very concrete truths—you saw voters fighting each other with lies they believed; it wasn't even that they were lying, but information they believed to be true.",401,421.08,53,{"idx":416,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},"84251","And they kept fighting each other.",421.12,422.1,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":355,"topic_label":356,"target_id":428,"target_proposition":429,"stance":138,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":430,"indexable":13},54,"84252","Anyway, this can get worse with artificial intelligence, but my optimistic view is that... Other countries have had recent election experiences and there wasn't the deepfake pandemic that people imagined there would be.",422.16,438.2,"a689ba38-518a-4459-bd46-c4a6f1da4eaf","anticipate significant electoral impact of deepfakes","Says they do not foresee a deepfake pandemic with major electoral impact.",{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":142,"topic_slug":355,"topic_label":356,"target_id":437,"target_proposition":438,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":439,"indexable":83},55,"84253","I, at least in Brazil, also do not foresee it having such a big impact in this election.",439.24,445.24,"5b34d5e7-6856-4a17-858c-b4b52f385f3f","use artificial intelligence to produce campaign content","Says AI will be used for individual candidates' content, not primarily deepfakes.",{"idx":441,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},56,"84254","I think artificial intelligence will be used more to produce individual candidates' content, but not necessarily and not primarily to produce deepfakes.",445.5,454.54,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":8,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":290,"indexable":13},57,"84255","Kim, now looking a bit at the election and the current political scenario, I wanted to ask you: you were announced for the post of Minister of State Reform should Renan be elected to the Planalto (Presidential Palace).",456,468.32,{"idx":453,"utterance_id":454,"speaker_name":8,"text":455,"start_s":456,"end_s":457,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},58,"84256","What are the objectives and what are the priorities you see if you are in that position?",468.92,475.42,{"idx":459,"utterance_id":460,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":461,"start_s":462,"end_s":463,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},59,"84257","The most urgent problem is that we have the public budget.",476.64,478.68,{"idx":465,"utterance_id":466,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":467,"start_s":468,"end_s":469,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},60,"84258","Mandatory expenses will exceed 100%, meaning the President of the Republic will no longer have the freedom to allocate resources where he wants.",478.96,485.68,{"idx":471,"utterance_id":472,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":473,"start_s":474,"end_s":475,"word_count":393,"topic_slug":476,"topic_label":477,"target_id":478,"target_proposition":479,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":480,"indexable":83},61,"84259","There will be zero budget for public investment, that is, for workforce training, for investment in infrastructure, for investment in public security, especially in federal prisons or the construction of new prisons, which I think is necessary; there will be no budgetary space for anything.",486.12,501.6,"orcamento-publico","Public Budget","171cb34c-5f78-4b6b-ad1e-0ca84fea6fc7","allocate public funds for construction of prison units","Says building new prisons should be a priority.",{"idx":190,"utterance_id":482,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":483,"start_s":484,"end_s":485,"word_count":486,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":489,"target_proposition":490,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":491,"rationale":492,"indexable":83},"84260","So the first point is that we need to promote and approve the constitutional amendment I have already presented, the Fiscal Balance PEC, which promotes the de-indexing of social security benefits from the minimum wage, the unlinking of the health and education floors from net current revenue and from tax revenue, a review of tax privileges—around R$200 billion that we will scrutinize to see what actually returns to the economy and what is privilege—and a review of parliamentary amendments, which will cease to be a percentage of net current revenue and will instead be 5% of discretionary spending; in other words, today Parliament's incentive is: the more I raise taxes, the more I collect, the more amendments I have for my electoral base.",502.02,542.8,127,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Fiscal and Social Policy","745453ca-0a96-40e3-aa08-9a11c04a8802","approve the PEC on fiscal balance that de-indexes benefits and revises parliamentary amendments",0.95,"States the need to explicitly approve the presented PEC.",{"idx":226,"utterance_id":494,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":495,"start_s":496,"end_s":497,"word_count":152,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":489,"target_proposition":490,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":498,"indexable":83},"84261","We'll reverse that incentive: instead of encouraging higher revenue, it will encourage cutting more spending.",542.92,547.56,"Proposes reversing budget incentives and rewarding spending cuts.",{"idx":500,"utterance_id":501,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":502,"start_s":503,"end_s":504,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":489,"target_proposition":490,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":505,"indexable":83},64,"84262","The more Parliament cuts mandatory spending, the more it will revert in amendments, so we also invert the political incentive.",547.96,554.52,"Details a political incentive mechanism to cut mandatory spending.",{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":387,"topic_slug":512,"topic_label":513,"target_id":514,"target_proposition":515,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":516,"indexable":83},65,"84263","This includes a pension reform, one that has already been decided: it's parametric and automatic, with an automatic trigger— as life expectancy increases, the minimum retirement age increases accordingly— and another structural reform that we are still studying to create a mixed regime there.",554.98,576.16,"previdencia","Social Security","2fd987ce-6239-417c-af76-5e6488aa0ae5","implement pension reform","Advocates parametric reform with an explicit automatic trigger.",{"idx":518,"utterance_id":519,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":520,"start_s":521,"end_s":522,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":512,"topic_label":513,"target_id":523,"target_proposition":524,"stance":525,"stance_confidence":526,"rationale":527,"indexable":13},66,"84264","Of basic income with capitalization, but since we have not finalized that, I won't go into details on this structural reform; I will speak only about the parametric one.",576.7,584.66,"f7b98d25-5b53-4b19-9a96-9a2fc1ec8113","study a mixed basic income regime with capitalization","ambiguo",0.5,"Mentions a mixed regime under study, with no decision made.",{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":257,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":534,"target_proposition":535,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":536,"indexable":83},67,"84265","But we're talking about opening a fiscal space of at least R$1 trillion and R$100 billion in five years to allow Brazil to invest in infrastructure.",584.72,592.88,"e3636593-de8a-4d9c-b22a-f56c5ccf1046","implement public spending controls and fiscal austerity policies","Proposes creating fiscal space, specifying the amount and timeframe for investment.",{"idx":115,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":542,"topic_label":543,"target_id":544,"target_proposition":545,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":546,"indexable":83},"84266","Right at the beginning of Renan Santos' government, the idea is to transform Brazil into a huge construction site, especially with railways, which is a historical deficiency we have.",594.14,602.7,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infrastructure and Sanitation","140c0c83-708e-4357-b634-43aff01515f8","invest in infrastructure, with emphasis on railways","Proposes turning Brazil into a construction hub prioritizing railways.",{"idx":548,"utterance_id":549,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":550,"start_s":551,"end_s":552,"word_count":318,"indexable":13},69,"84267","Developed countries solved this problem 100 years ago and we are still behind in the development of railways in our country, which is a cheaper, cleaner, faster mode of transport that would reduce production outflow costs.",603.04,615.88,{"idx":554,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":174,"topic_slug":542,"topic_label":543,"target_id":559,"target_proposition":560,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":561,"indexable":83},70,"84268","Today our agribusiness could produce twice as much without cutting down a single tree if it had the conditions to export, to move that production cheaply.",616.34,629,"70c2780b-3f6d-4fc7-93c7-15c97bdb92f3","invest in logistics infrastructure to reduce distribution costs","Says agribusiness could produce more with better logistics, advocating investment.",{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":411,"topic_slug":568,"topic_label":569,"target_id":570,"target_proposition":571,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":572,"indexable":83},71,"84269","Workforce training, especially in information technology: we know that increasingly—indeed, there is currently a demand in the IT sector estimated at about 200,000 job openings, which pay well and have good working conditions, but there is no one qualified to fill them.",629.74,647.14,"educacao-e-capacitacao-profissional","Vocational education","0783033d-2231-4ddd-8d4a-2fbaa7e71765","expand training programs and promote local productive arrangements to generate jobs","Points to demand for IT vacancies and advocates technical qualification.",{"idx":574,"utterance_id":575,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":576,"start_s":577,"end_s":578,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},72,"84270","These positions.",647.54,648.22,{"idx":580,"utterance_id":581,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":582,"start_s":583,"end_s":584,"word_count":312,"indexable":13},73,"84271","I took a technical course in data processing at Unicamp and I see that, well, all my colleagues who continued in the area are employed, are being well paid, and I'm not even talking about a university degree.",648.8,660.62,{"idx":586,"utterance_id":587,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":588,"start_s":589,"end_s":590,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},74,"84272","In fact, they are earning more than the vast majority of Brazilians who completed higher education.",660.68,667,{"idx":592,"utterance_id":593,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":594,"start_s":595,"end_s":596,"word_count":152,"topic_slug":568,"topic_label":569,"target_id":597,"target_proposition":598,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":599,"indexable":83},75,"84273","So, opening fiscal space for us to have, mainly, technical courses based on the German model, in vocational training.",667.08,676.28,"4ecb0fb4-f32d-428f-896a-c1d09010b7ce","finance technical training in agronomy and international capacity-building for the agricultural sector","Proposes using fiscal space for technical courses based on the German model.",{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":603,"start_s":604,"end_s":605,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},76,"84274","for matters of artificial intelligence.",677.18,678.36,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":608,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":609,"start_s":610,"end_s":611,"word_count":237,"indexable":13},77,"84275","Actually, at the very school I attended, the Colégio Técnico de Limeira da Unicamp, they are structuring to create the first technical course in artificial intelligence.",678.4,687.6,{"idx":613,"utterance_id":614,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":615,"start_s":616,"end_s":617,"word_count":157,"indexable":13},78,"84276","Today they already have a systems development course there, which in my day was data processing, and they want to move forward to have a course specifically on AI.",688,697.78,{"idx":619,"utterance_id":620,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":621,"start_s":622,"end_s":623,"word_count":447,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":534,"target_proposition":535,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":624,"indexable":83},79,"84277","So the idea is precisely to ensure that the President of the Republic has money to implement public policies, which is the obvious thing in any civilized country, but in Brazil, with the destruction of the spending ceiling and the creation of an unsustainable model that wants fiscal balance based on increasing revenue.",698.46,718.54,"Criticizes 'destruição do teto' and defends fiscal discipline and expense control.",{"idx":626,"utterance_id":627,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":628,"start_s":629,"end_s":630,"word_count":338,"indexable":13},80,"84278","We went from roughly 30%—the tax burden being 30% of GDP—to 32% of GDP in the last Lula government term, with record revenue, while at the same time we've also had a primary deficit for a long time.",719.14,733.4,{"idx":632,"utterance_id":633,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":634,"start_s":635,"end_s":636,"word_count":174,"indexable":13},81,"84279","The government reports that we haven't had a deficit for some time, but that's because it calculates by taking some expenses off paper, removing them from the budget.",734.28,743.7,{"idx":638,"utterance_id":639,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":640,"start_s":641,"end_s":642,"word_count":350,"indexable":13},82,"84280","That it says are extraordinary or cannot be calculated within the primary result, but in practice what counts is the real, not the formal, not what's in the law, not what's on paper.",744.06,753.92,{"idx":644,"utterance_id":645,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":646,"start_s":647,"end_s":648,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},83,"84281","So we've had a deficit for some time, and we are with interest rates hitting around 15%, which, you know, could increase if this budget continues on its current trajectory.",754.88,766.94,{"idx":650,"utterance_id":651,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":652,"start_s":653,"end_s":654,"word_count":548,"topic_slug":191,"topic_label":192,"target_id":655,"target_proposition":656,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":657,"indexable":83},84,"84282","16% in the future; with a fiscal reform we can already make credit much cheaper. Today subsidized credit being granted at 8%—8% is not a subsidy, 8% is higher than the interest rate in most countries in the world; it ought to be normal. So the idea is to make us have a tax burden, an interest rate and a discretionary budget of a country.",766.96,796.72,"ffca2d02-c308-4a57-9a42-066c6480800b","implement fiscal reform to reduce interest rates","Supports fiscal reform to lower the cost of credit and recover budgetary space.",{"idx":659,"utterance_id":660,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":661,"start_s":662,"end_s":663,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},85,"84283","Civilized, within, obviously, the parameters of emerging countries, which have been leaving us behind for a long time.",797.26,804.94,{"idx":665,"utterance_id":666,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":667,"start_s":668,"end_s":669,"word_count":375,"indexable":13},86,"84284","Brazil lacks planning; in Brazil there is a heavy tax burden; in Brazil there is a lot of bureaucracy; in Brazil there is a lack of qualified labor; in Brazil there is a lack of quality infrastructure—these historical deficiencies we have—the idea is, right in the first year of the term, to open.",805.52,824.88,{"idx":671,"utterance_id":672,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":673,"start_s":674,"end_s":675,"word_count":387,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":676,"target_proposition":677,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":678,"indexable":83},87,"84285","This fiscal space and stem the trajectory of rising debt and mandatory spending, while at the same time we open fiscal space for the President of the Republic to increase the country's productivity and invest in public security as well, which is one of our main agendas.",825.86,840.94,"0fdb6296-c456-4e2e-abce-9864e3ea5d92","open fiscal space to invest in productivity and public security","Proposes stopping debt growth and freeing up space for public investments.",{"idx":680,"utterance_id":681,"speaker_name":8,"text":682,"start_s":683,"end_s":684,"word_count":369,"indexable":13},88,"84286","Kim, delving a bit into this electoral scenario now for the presidency, we see a scenario in which the left is extremely concentrated on a single candidate, while the right—the opposition to the left—is more fragmented into several candidate options.",841.68,858.98,{"idx":686,"utterance_id":687,"speaker_name":8,"text":688,"start_s":689,"end_s":690,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},89,"84287","How do you and Missão see this situation—as something that can be beneficial or harmful for Missão?",859.3,867.54,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":8,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},90,"84288","How do you see it?",867.62,868.6,{"idx":698,"utterance_id":699,"speaker_name":8,"text":700,"start_s":701,"end_s":702,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},91,"84289","What's your reading of this scenario?",868.66,870.52,{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":8,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},92,"84290","And, at the same time, how do you read Renan's recent rise in some of the main polls?",870.96,876.86,{"idx":710,"utterance_id":711,"speaker_name":8,"text":712,"start_s":713,"end_s":714,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},93,"84291","What is your reading of this situation?",876.96,878.48,{"idx":716,"utterance_id":717,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":718,"start_s":719,"end_s":720,"word_count":453,"topic_slug":323,"topic_label":324,"target_id":721,"target_proposition":722,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":723,"indexable":83},94,"84292","I think the first point that is important to make clear to voters—something that is obvious to me, but unfortunately I've seen many people who do not understand our electoral system—is that no matter how many candidacies on the right we have, that doesn't benefit Lula at all, because Lula doesn't have the votes to win in the first round.",880.46,899.44,"21c53bf8-da99-409b-8ef7-8018f3b5de1a","form electoral alliances in the second round","Analyzes the effect of multiple candidacies and emphasizes the importance of the runoff.",{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},95,"84293","So suppose we have a split of 51% to the right and 49% to the left for Lula.",900,911.7,{"idx":731,"utterance_id":732,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":733,"start_s":734,"end_s":735,"word_count":102,"indexable":13},96,"84294","Lula will score 49% in the first round and 49% in the second.",912.14,915.38,{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":174,"indexable":13},97,"84295","The right, in that hypothetical 51 split I'm positing, can divide the votes—say, 20, 20, 11—the division of votes.",915.86,927.78,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},98,"84296","In the second round, that makes absolutely no difference for Lula, because he doesn't have the votes to win in the first round.",928.16,934.32,{"idx":749,"utterance_id":750,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":751,"start_s":752,"end_s":753,"word_count":283,"indexable":13},99,"84297","That is, it doesn't matter... As long as the slices—the pie—of right-wing votes are divided in the first round, what matters is having the majority of votes in the second round to defeat Lula.",934.36,944.56,{"idx":755,"utterance_id":756,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":757,"start_s":758,"end_s":759,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":760,"topic_label":761,"target_id":762,"target_proposition":763,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":491,"rationale":764,"indexable":83},100,"84298","That said, I am extremely optimistic about Renan Santos' candidacy.",944.9,948.58,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Presidential Elections","f3eed566-225d-4185-9564-83d6639a2e2a","support and mobilize to elect Renan Santos to the Presidency of the Republic","Says he is extremely optimistic about Renan's candidacy.",{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},101,"84299","He is the one growing the most among all the candidates for the Presidency of the Republic.",949.08,955.02,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},102,"84300","He is on an upward curve in absolutely every poll, without exception.",955.34,959.4,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":152,"indexable":13},103,"84301","He scores higher in some, lower in others, but in all of them he grows and in none has he fallen.",959.76,965,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":152,"indexable":13},104,"84302","or even in a minority there, I'd say at most in two polls where he stagnated, in all of them.",966.6,973.18,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":453,"indexable":13},105,"84303","Either he surpasses the governors or he is on the same level, which is excellent news for someone who has a much higher level of unknown status than the governors, that is, Zeme Caiado has a much greater difficulty than Renan does, which is the difficulty of convincing a voter who already knows them.",973.88,993.52,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},106,"84304","to support their candidacy.",993.92,995.62,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},107,"84305","Renan doesn't.",995.96,996.44,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},108,"84306","Renan has a high conversion rate from knowing to supporting.",996.88,1000.44,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},109,"84307","So Renan needs to become known.",1000.98,1003.36,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":120,"indexable":13},110,"84308","Now, the ability to persuade, to turn that recognition into support, Renan already has.",1003.76,1009.58,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},111,"84309","And that's the hardest part.",1010.02,1011.36,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":237,"indexable":13},112,"84310","Today, by the way, a story appeared in Valor Econômico saying that Renan should be... in the Band debate, which was postponed from the 16th to the 23rd.",1012.64,1022.6,{"idx":838,"utterance_id":839,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":840,"start_s":841,"end_s":842,"word_count":843,"indexable":13},113,"84311","Renan, being in an open-TV debate, his unknown rate, which is currently at 80%, will fall to 20%, 15%, and that means, if we follow today's proportion, he will practically triple his voting intentions and consolidate himself as the only alternative capable of defeating the PT and Lula in the second round, because Renan does not have... all of Flávio Bolsonaro's rejection, Renan does not have all the difficulties, right, that Flávio Bolsonaro has in articulating words and proposals and stringing ideas together, which we already saw in Flávio's experience in a major debate in the Rio de Janeiro mayoralty—it was a great disaster, he took a drubbing there, it wasn't even from the PT, it was from the PC do B, at the same time, anyway, that carries the scandal",1023.22,1070.9,138,{"idx":845,"utterance_id":846,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":847,"start_s":848,"end_s":849,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},114,"84312","the Banco Master scandal on his back and that this will be ostentatiously used by the PT.",1071.32,1075.42,{"idx":851,"utterance_id":852,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":853,"start_s":854,"end_s":855,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},115,"84313","The PT doesn't have those weapons against Renan's candidacy, while at the same time Renan has an organic activist base.",1075.54,1080.62,{"idx":857,"utterance_id":858,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":859,"start_s":860,"end_s":861,"word_count":399,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":864,"target_proposition":865,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":866,"indexable":83},116,"84314","He doesn't need to pay, unlike Lula or Flávio, who need to pay militants, need to pay leaflet distributors to hand out their material and to do advertising; Renan has a mass of volunteers, including this one speaking to you, who don't need to receive absolutely anything and have no other motivation",1081,1098.46,"candidatura-e-campanha","Candidacy and Campaign","595a5e8f-4955-414c-9127-cbeb52925bb3","carry out a volunteer campaign for Renan Santos's candidacy","Says he actively and voluntarily campaigns for the candidacy, including in person.",{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},117,"84315","other than that of turning Brazil into a decent country to campaign for him.",1099.02,1102.68,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":159,"topic_slug":760,"topic_label":761,"target_id":762,"target_proposition":763,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":879,"indexable":83},118,"84316","So we are extremely optimistic about Renan's candidacy and I sincerely believe it will come out victorious.",1103.1,1110.26,"Declares he sincerely believes the candidacy will be victorious.",{"idx":881,"utterance_id":882,"speaker_name":8,"text":883,"start_s":884,"end_s":885,"word_count":197,"indexable":13},119,"84317","And you who are in Brasília, how do you see people from other parties, anyway, viewing this rise of Renan in the polls?",1111.2,1119.36,{"idx":887,"utterance_id":888,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":889,"start_s":890,"end_s":891,"word_count":500,"topic_slug":760,"topic_label":761,"target_id":892,"target_proposition":893,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":894,"indexable":13},120,"84318","Look... All the deputies, especially those from the Centrão who are more in the interior, in the poorer cities and the smallest towns of the country, show great surprise at hearing Renan's name from mayors of very small towns, from voters in very small towns, and with more enthusiasm than they hear about Lula's candidacy or Bolsonaro's candidacy.",1121.06,1147.02,"d16e199b-685d-4008-ad0f-1c2d0294fa6f","acknowledge lawmakers' surprise at Renan's rise in the polls","Reports reactions from Centrão deputies without advocating any specific change.",{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":601,"indexable":13},121,"84319","At the same time, what I hear from PT members is that... they are jealous of our ability to engage youth; there was even an article in Metrópolis showing Lula's concern that we are turning voters from the left, from Lula voters, so we are not only fighting for space within the right-wing spectrum, but also managing to inspire and turn into support a youth from families whose parents and grandparents historically voted for the PT.",1147.28,1179.78,{"idx":902,"utterance_id":903,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":904,"start_s":905,"end_s":906,"word_count":197,"indexable":13},122,"84320","And on the other side, among bolsonaristas, what I hear is that not even the bolsonarista politicians themselves will campaign for Flávio.",1181.48,1189.2,{"idx":908,"utterance_id":909,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":910,"start_s":911,"end_s":912,"word_count":344,"indexable":13},123,"84321","When asked, when prompted, they will say, look, I support Flávio, but they won't lift a finger, won't hand out a flyer, won't organize an event for Flávio to go to their states to do pre-campaigning or campaigning.",1189.82,1204.9,{"idx":914,"utterance_id":915,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":916,"start_s":917,"end_s":918,"word_count":350,"indexable":13},124,"84322","So, these elements of the equation... both with the PT losing support among youth, which it always had historically, and today Generation Z—those between 16 and 29 years old—are mostly with Renan, are with the Missão party.",1205.06,1225.72,{"idx":920,"utterance_id":921,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":922,"start_s":923,"end_s":924,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},125,"84323","We are in first place in that age group, even compared with Lula and Bolsonaro, who are two billionaire machines.",1226.64,1233.66,{"idx":926,"utterance_id":927,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":928,"start_s":929,"end_s":930,"word_count":120,"indexable":13},126,"84324","Campaign-wise, this shows a lot of strength and this has greatly surprised my colleagues in Brasília.",1234.88,1241.28,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":8,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},"84325","All right, Kim.",1242.32,1243.1,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":8,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":329,"indexable":13},128,"84326","Another question we'd like to ask: explain a little of the rationale for not running for governor of São Paulo now, you being a deputy—if there is a larger party strategy behind this move.",1244.04,1257.32,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":108,"indexable":13},129,"84327","Party strategy first: the conclusion that Renan will win the elections.",1259.32,1263.32,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":387,"topic_slug":954,"topic_label":955,"target_id":956,"target_proposition":957,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":958,"indexable":83},130,"84328","If he wins the elections, I am the only person from the party who is known in the National Congress and who, at the same time, has already, has been dealing for some time with the country's economic issues, participating during all these seven years of experience I have in the National Congress.",1263.54,1278.76,"governo","Government","0781038e-0073-459f-bb1b-84f9a920c52f","assume the post of Minister of State Reform in the government of Renan Santos","Presents qualifications and argues he is the right choice if Renan wins.",{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":226,"indexable":13},131,"84329","from the Commission of Finance and Taxation, and always in contact, because I am not an economist, I listen and learn from the country's top economists, since I think this is the main privilege I've used during these seven years: being able to have the phone, the contact of the country's top economists, with whom, moreover, a good part of our economic plan",1279.82,1302.16,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},132,"84330","of the Yellow Book, which, by the way, is released on August 1st, our National Congress, which will be—In practice, the party's physical convention will be our big event.",1302.66,1313.68,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":125,"indexable":13},133,"84331","We held the virtual convention earlier so that Renan could already have Federal Police security, since there was an escalation of threats from organized crime against him.",1314,1322.36,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":85,"indexable":13},134,"84332","Now we're more at ease regarding his security.",1322.42,1324.7,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":152,"indexable":13},135,"84333","We will physically hold our event on August 1st, where we will launch the Yellow Book.",1326.84,1330.58,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},136,"84334","And I said that because people will notice on the economic side.",1330.68,1334.08,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":671,"topic_slug":1001,"topic_label":1002,"target_id":1003,"target_proposition":1004,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":149,"rationale":1005,"indexable":83},137,"84335","that much of our program was based on the CDPP, which was, anyway, founded back then by several figures who idealized and operationalized the Plano Real, and who brought, anyway, other equally brilliant minds later on, so our labor market section, our pension reform, our Open Finance and increase of bank competition, our regulatory work from the monetary point of view, the financial market in general, is very much based on that work.",1334.42,1371.66,"politica-trabalhista","Labor policy","db1186cb-4a01-41c9-8dda-9e2115064de6","promote reforms in the labor market","States that 'nossa parte de... mercado de trabalho' is included in the program; indicates support.",{"idx":843,"utterance_id":1007,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1008,"start_s":1009,"end_s":1010,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":1011,"topic_label":1012,"target_id":1013,"target_proposition":1014,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1015,"indexable":83},"84336","So, the strategy is precisely to have a person who moves well",1372.12,1378.54,"politica-de-indicacao","Appointment Policy","0ec35167-f813-4950-ade6-628390994443","appoint a person with connections in the economic sector and in Congress to a position","Explicitly states that 'a estratégia é... ter uma pessoa que transita bem'.",{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":297,"topic_slug":1011,"topic_label":1012,"target_id":1013,"target_proposition":1014,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1022,"rationale":1023,"indexable":83},139,"84337","in economic circles, moves well in the market, moves well in academia, moves well among public policy makers and, at the same time, moves well in the National Congress, even being a one-person caucus.",1379.02,1392.18,0.82,"Explains which profile should move between the market, academia, and Congress.",{"idx":1025,"utterance_id":1026,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1027,"start_s":1028,"end_s":1029,"word_count":329,"topic_slug":1030,"topic_label":1031,"target_id":1032,"target_proposition":1033,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":1034,"indexable":83},140,"84338","I approved more than 20 bills, anyway, more than 100 reports on bills within Congress; including this year a law I approved came into force, very important, increasing penalties for theft, robbery and receiving stolen goods.",1393.28,1405.24,"direito-de-propriedade-seguranca-publica","Property Rights \u002F Public Security","d82676a9-de18-4c79-98e1-b632c637509e","increase penalties for theft, robbery, and receiving stolen goods","Claims to have passed a law increasing sentences and defends it (track record).",{"idx":1036,"utterance_id":1037,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1038,"start_s":1039,"end_s":1040,"word_count":53,"topic_slug":1030,"topic_label":1031,"target_id":1032,"target_proposition":1033,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":1041,"indexable":13},141,"84339","There hadn't been a revision of",1405.72,1407.36,"States a historical fact about the lack of sentence review.",{"idx":1043,"utterance_id":1044,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1045,"start_s":1046,"end_s":1047,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":1030,"topic_label":1031,"target_id":1032,"target_proposition":1033,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1048,"indexable":83},142,"84340","these penalties for decades and, anyway, we were all hostage to convicts who remained on the streets because of very lenient sentences, which sometimes didn't even result in jail time.",1407.86,1418.94,"Justifies the increase by claiming lenient sentences leave convicts free.",{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":338,"topic_slug":1055,"topic_label":1056,"target_id":1057,"target_proposition":1058,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":1059,"indexable":83},143,"84341","So, having a government, being in the executive and having agenda-setting power and the microphones, the most powerful spotlights of the Republic, the capacity for articulation improves a lot, but in any case you need experience in dealing with Congress.",1419.5,1436.68,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Civil House \u002F Political Coordination","426b6558-12ef-40b6-9779-42cea4526279","form political coalitions when governing","Says that the ability to build alliances improves in the Executive and that experience is necessary.",{"idx":1061,"utterance_id":1062,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1063,"start_s":1064,"end_s":1065,"word_count":102,"topic_slug":1066,"topic_label":1067,"target_id":1068,"target_proposition":1069,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1070,"indexable":83},144,"84342","Hence our strategy to reconsider my run for state governor.",1437.08,1441.38,"candidaturas-e-filiacao","Candidacy and Affiliation","e920892c-8acb-496c-9c2a-527a50b97e82","review the candidacy for state government","Explicitly declares that the strategy is to reconsider their candidacy.",{"idx":1072,"utterance_id":1073,"speaker_name":8,"text":1074,"start_s":1075,"end_s":1076,"word_count":125,"indexable":13},145,"84343","And if Renan were to win the elections, what do you think should be his priority and what do you see as the most urgent problem in Brazil today?",1442.56,1451.76,{"idx":1078,"utterance_id":1079,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1080,"start_s":1081,"end_s":1082,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},146,"84344","Public security.",1453.34,1454.06,{"idx":1084,"utterance_id":1085,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1086,"start_s":1087,"end_s":1088,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":1089,"topic_label":1090,"target_id":1091,"target_proposition":1092,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":1093,"indexable":83},147,"84345","So much so that Renan's first measure will be to declare a State of Defense and carry out an operation to retake territory.",1454.22,1459.66,"seguranca-nacional","National Security","68870c5c-74fa-43f1-8d60-79651a044907","reoccupy territories dominated by criminal factions","States that 'a primeira medida... será decretar o Estado de defesa' as an action.",{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":120,"topic_slug":1089,"topic_label":1090,"target_id":1091,"target_proposition":1092,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":1022,"rationale":1100,"indexable":83},148,"84346","Today we have 40 million Brazilians living under the yoke of organized crime.",1459.98,1464.98,"States a population estimate ('40 milhões... sob julgo do crime') as a fact.",{"idx":1102,"utterance_id":1103,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1104,"start_s":1105,"end_s":1106,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":1089,"topic_label":1090,"target_id":1107,"target_proposition":1108,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":1109,"indexable":83},149,"84347","And we will carry out large operations with the governors, commanded by the military police, but with the assistance of technical operational personnel and equipment from the Armed Forces, under the coordination of the President of the Republic.",1465.62,1482.06,"3d592099-6aa1-4f88-8728-4af28013f524","employ armed forces to reoccupy territories controlled by criminal factions","Explicitly proposes 'nós faremos grandes operações... com auxílio das Forças Armadas'.",{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":1116,"topic_label":1117,"target_id":1118,"target_proposition":1119,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":117,"rationale":1120,"indexable":83},150,"84348","In states that are in a more chaotic situation and whose governor does not want to cooperate, declare federal intervention so that the public security portfolio is assumed by an appointed interventor",1482.14,1493.48,"intervencao-federal","Federal Intervention","dee31818-f8a7-4924-9a39-2dc378006d0c","decree federal intervention in public security of non-cooperative states","Proposes decreeing a federal intervention when the governor does not cooperate.",{"idx":1122,"utterance_id":1123,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1124,"start_s":1125,"end_s":1126,"word_count":34,"topic_slug":1116,"topic_label":1117,"target_id":1118,"target_proposition":1119,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1127,"rationale":1128,"indexable":13},151,"84349","by the President of the Republic.",1493.9,1495.24,0.86,"Adds that the federal interventor would be appointed by the president.",{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":441,"topic_slug":1116,"topic_label":1117,"target_id":1118,"target_proposition":1119,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1135,"indexable":83},152,"84350","So, for example, o humano in Ceará, who let the State be dominated by the Comando Vermelho, if his successor does not want to contribute, unfortunately we will have to decree that federal intervention and deliver a shock of public security in the State of Ceará so that, finally, it returns to civilization, which is what we want to bring and restore.",1495.48,1522.62,"Uses the example of Ceará and states 'teremos que decretar essa intervenção federal'.",{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":592,"topic_slug":1142,"topic_label":1143,"target_id":1144,"target_proposition":1145,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1146,"rationale":1147,"indexable":83},153,"84351","for those 40 million Brazilians with these territory-retaking operations, while we approve a legislative agenda to harden the fight against crime, and build the largest prison in the Americas to keep these leaders and these gang-affiliated members isolated in prisons where, for example, conversations with lawyers will only occur via parlatório, where there will be no progression of regime, where there will be no intimate searches, where will be applied",1522.98,1551.82,"sistema-prisional","Prison system","c7259485-e7f5-4fcb-bf93-29e4291df79b","increase harshness of prison conditions and punishment",0.92,"Proposes approving a hardline agenda and building a maximum-security prison.",{"idx":1149,"utterance_id":1150,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1151,"start_s":1152,"end_s":1153,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1154,"topic_label":1155,"target_id":1156,"target_proposition":1157,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1158,"indexable":13},154,"84352","the penal law of the enemy.",1553.56,1554.82,"processo-penal","Criminal Procedure","0e12f231-2bf2-4a15-b2e7-2bb1bf651180","relativize individual prerogatives of members of criminal factions","Explicitly declares the intention to apply 'o direito penal do inimigo'.",{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":159,"topic_slug":1142,"topic_label":1143,"target_id":1165,"target_proposition":1166,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1167,"indexable":83},155,"84353","Thus, in a way, ordinary criminals, not gang-affiliated, will be punished and will be kept in ordinary prisons.",1555.1,1563.32,"ab0cd811-dd2e-4899-8a1c-38e112a5d117","transfer faction leaders to maximum-security prisons","Says ordinary criminals will remain in common prisons, while faction members will be in a specific prison.",{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":1142,"topic_label":1143,"target_id":1165,"target_proposition":1166,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":1174,"indexable":83},156,"84354","To that specific maximum-security prison will go those gang members, those most dangerous crime leaders.",1565.4,1576.46,"Reaffirms that gang leaders will be sent to maximum-security prisons.",{"idx":1176,"utterance_id":1177,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1178,"start_s":1179,"end_s":1180,"word_count":164,"topic_slug":487,"topic_label":488,"target_id":1181,"target_proposition":1182,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1127,"rationale":1183,"indexable":83},157,"84355","This security agenda ties into the economic public budget agenda, because all of this requires fiscal space.",1578.08,1586.56,"e1e1a786-772a-497e-aa89-81e98935ee65","create fiscal space to fund public security policies","States that the security agenda depends on fiscal space and budget.",{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":399,"topic_slug":1089,"topic_label":1090,"target_id":1190,"target_proposition":1191,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1022,"rationale":1192,"indexable":83},158,"84356","Today, I never tire of citing this interview, which to me is very emblematic of how tragically Brazil is living, and how we Brazilians, being used to misfortune, laugh at tragedy, in which the Minister of Defense says, \"we have no defense.\"",1587.12,1604.48,"c8583a84-a650-4f35-8f0e-376db125d106","increase investments and national defense capacity","Criticizes the statement 'não temos defesa' and uses it to argue necessity.",{"idx":1194,"utterance_id":1195,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1196,"start_s":1197,"end_s":1198,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},159,"84357","That, for me, is... It's very caricatural and emblematic of the empire of barbarism we live in.",1604.98,1612.14,{"idx":1200,"utterance_id":1201,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1202,"start_s":1203,"end_s":1204,"word_count":350,"topic_slug":1205,"topic_label":1206,"target_id":1207,"target_proposition":1208,"stance":138,"stance_confidence":92,"rationale":1209,"indexable":83},160,"84358","For example, while the Ministry of Labor transfers resources so that people in the favela and in territories dominated by organized crime learn to operate drones, what could go wrong the moment organized crime controls that territory?",1613.22,1629,"politica-de-educacao","Education policy","d76b1b92-a1b4-4393-be38-3574672f3761","fund technical courses in territories dominated by organized crime","Criticizes transfers from the Ministry of Labor for drone courses in crime-dominated areas.",{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":1205,"topic_label":1206,"target_id":1207,"target_proposition":1208,"stance":138,"stance_confidence":149,"rationale":1216,"indexable":83},161,"84359","You give a course in a territory dominated by organized crime.",1629.36,1632.12,"Expresses concern by saying 'você dá curso num território dominado pelo crime'.",{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":1205,"topic_label":1206,"target_id":1207,"target_proposition":1208,"stance":138,"stance_confidence":149,"rationale":1223,"indexable":83},162,"84360","And the citizen might even be an honest citizen taking that course, but he is in a territory dominated by crime, he is a hostage of crime.",1632.4,1637.96,"Argues that citizens there are hostages of crime, criticizing the financing.",{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":197,"topic_slug":1205,"topic_label":1206,"target_id":1207,"target_proposition":1208,"stance":138,"stance_confidence":149,"rationale":1230,"indexable":83},163,"84361","If the crime wants, it puts a gun to his head, to his child's head, and says, you will operate the drone for me.",1638.24,1642.88,"Illustrates the risk: 'se o crime quiser, ele coloca uma arma...' to operate a drone.",{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":142,"topic_slug":1237,"topic_label":1238,"target_id":1239,"target_proposition":1240,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1127,"rationale":1241,"indexable":83},164,"84362","While we have that transfer, the FAB doesn't have funds to pay for fuel for the pilots to fly.",1643.9,1649.46,"defesa-nacional-armas-de-destruicao","National Defense \u002F WMDs","f354d04b-3e70-419c-a3f2-5cf5181c9d71","increase resources for the Brazilian Air Force","Contrasts transfers with the Brazilian Air Force's (FAB) lack of funds to pay pilots' fuel.",{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":12,"topic_slug":1248,"topic_label":1249,"target_id":1250,"target_proposition":1251,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":1252,"rationale":1253,"indexable":13},165,"84363","We are losing fighter pilots, very well trained, to Latam, which... pays more and gives flight time to those pilots who just want to fly.",1650.04,1662.82,"defesa-nacional-recursos-humanos","Defense and Personnel","9e4f2bf7-38ea-4f5e-ad57-626a79a1a23d","preserve and retain pilots in the Armed Forces through better pay and flight hours",0.72,"Reports the loss of pilots to commercial aviation as an explanatory fact.",{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":1248,"topic_label":1249,"target_id":1250,"target_proposition":1251,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":1260,"indexable":13},166,"84364","They don't mind earning less within the Armed Forces, even though commercial aviation pays much more, but they want to fly.",1662.86,1668.7,"Comments on pilots' motivation (they want to fly), descriptive information.",{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":1089,"topic_label":1090,"target_id":1239,"target_proposition":1240,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":149,"rationale":1267,"indexable":83},167,"84365","So we don't even have that in our Armed Forces.",1669.36,1672.66,"Concludes that not even basic resources exist in the Armed Forces, implicitly requesting them.",{"idx":1269,"utterance_id":1270,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1271,"start_s":1272,"end_s":1273,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":1274,"topic_label":1275,"target_id":1276,"target_proposition":1277,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":1278,"rationale":1279,"indexable":83},168,"84366","So I'm just saying this to show how our fiscal agenda also dialogues with the defense and public security agenda.",1672.72,1678.9,"politica-energetica-financas-publicas","Energy & Public Finance","6cab1eff-06cd-44a1-bca6-6df6f56bcf9b","align the fiscal agenda to finance defense and public security",0.84,"States that the fiscal agenda engages with defense and security, advocating alignment.",{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":8,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":157,"indexable":13},169,"84367","Kim, to close... I wanted to ask a question related to a subject big enough to change the course of the elections in our country this year.",1679.88,1690.52,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":8,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1292,"target_proposition":1293,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":1294,"indexable":13},170,"84368","Last Thursday you took part in a podcast on Vilela and an extremely viral clip came out; it was one of the most talked-about topics on Twitter during the day.",1691.02,1699.36,"91c3a07f-e3ee-4c4e-8f17-21d4a5a5ec24","assess the impact of videos and scandals on opponents' candidacies","Journalistic question about virality and impact, without endorsing the action.",{"idx":1296,"utterance_id":1297,"speaker_name":8,"text":1298,"start_s":1299,"end_s":1300,"word_count":159,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1292,"target_proposition":1293,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":1301,"indexable":13},171,"84369","You said there is a video of Flávio cheating on his wife, you made that statement live on the podcast.",1700.02,1705.58,"reports an allegation about a Flávio video and asks about its content and repercussions.",{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":8,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":197,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1292,"target_proposition":1293,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":1308,"indexable":13},172,"84370","Could you comment a bit more for us about this alleged video and the possible impacts of it on Flávio's candidacy?",1705.66,1714.5,"requests comment on possible impacts to the candidacy, framed as journalistic inquiry.",{"idx":1310,"utterance_id":1311,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1312,"start_s":1313,"end_s":1314,"word_count":274,"indexable":13},173,"84371","Well, I've already given the full description I had to give of the video and as I said on Vilela, if I went further, before the video came out, I would be sued and would lose.",1716.8,1725.48,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":638,"indexable":13},174,"84372","I am very careful so that when I face lawsuits I win them, as I recently did against several people who... think they can intimidate me or try to silence me, but in any case I am careful with words, both when attacking and when defending myself, and I intend to continue with that stance, also because it's one of the best feelings you can have in the world: to see a political opponent paying for your barbecue and filling the pockets of your lawyers.",1726.16,1759.08,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},175,"84373","But the impact this could have on the election?",1759.88,1762.6,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1333,"target_proposition":1334,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":1335,"indexable":83},176,"84374","Look... I think it will be a smaller impact than the conversations with Vorkar, right?",1762.76,1769.42,"c62d58b4-a3a2-4dfe-a419-c6e23578615b","assess the impact of moral scandals versus corruption scandals in elections","compares the impact of alleged adultery versus corruption at the polls as analysis.",{"idx":1337,"utterance_id":1338,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1339,"start_s":1340,"end_s":1341,"word_count":350,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1333,"target_proposition":1334,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":1342,"indexable":83},177,"84375","Because, like, even though there is a bit of brazenness or a very big embarrassment in you calling yourself a conservative guy, a defender of God and family, and being caught cheating on your wife, obviously that causes wear, shows hypocrisy.",1770,1790.78,"says betrayal causes damage, but considers corruption more harmful.",{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1333,"target_proposition":1334,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":1349,"indexable":83},178,"84376","but it's a lesser blow than showing that you are, well, receiving stolen money and soliciting stolen money from a banker.",1791.32,1798.26,"says that corruption and requests for stolen money have greater repercussions than a moral scandal.",{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":862,"topic_label":863,"target_id":1356,"target_proposition":1357,"stance":80,"stance_confidence":81,"rationale":1358,"indexable":83},179,"84377","So, I think, obviously, it will have a negative repercussion, it will be damaging; it's another element that gives the PT power to use Flávio Bolsonaro to attack the right in general, because, I have no doubt, Flávio was a gift to the left and to the PT, because the PT uses Flávio to generalize the entire right.",1798.5,1819.04,"83897f12-6444-4bd4-aaa6-02e57fcfa25e","assess the impact of moral scandals on PT's strategy to generalize the right","analyzes how PT can use Flávio's case to attack the right in general.",{"idx":1360,"utterance_id":1361,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1362,"start_s":1363,"end_s":1364,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},180,"84378","They say, look... Flávio calls himself a conservative, a Christian, I don't know what, but he cheats on his wife.",1819.08,1823.48,{"idx":1366,"utterance_id":1367,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1368,"start_s":1369,"end_s":1370,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},181,"84379","Flávio says he's ethical, fought corruption, but did rachadinha, stole money together with Vorcaro.",1823.74,1828.88,{"idx":1372,"utterance_id":1373,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1374,"start_s":1375,"end_s":1376,"word_count":580,"topic_slug":1377,"topic_label":1378,"target_id":1379,"target_proposition":1380,"stance":116,"stance_confidence":229,"rationale":1381,"indexable":83},182,"84380","So, I think it has its damage that, unfortunately, we share, despite having nothing to do with Flávio Bolsonaro, and I think that's the reason why we differentiate ourselves so much and take such a firm position regarding Flávio's scandals, unlike Ronaldo Caiado and Romeu Zema, who... have a much more subservient stance to bolsonarism, which we don't share in any degree.",1828.92,1855.08,"partidos-e-eleicoes","Parties and Elections","c7e2f6f1-de33-4065-9a05-9ba51e10efaa","take a firm stance against Flávio Bolsonaro's scandals and distance from Bolsonarism","states they are different and maintain a firm stance against Flávio's scandals.",{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":110,"speaker_slug":111,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":44,"indexable":13},183,"84381","Anyway, I think those are the measures of the impact.",1856.5,1858.94,{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":8,"text":933,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},184,"84382",1860.08,1860.76,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":8,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},185,"84383","Now we're going to bring in our CEO, Hernani, to say a few final words before we close the interview.",1861.24,1865.88,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":8,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},186,"84384","Great.",1866.64,1867.06,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":8,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},187,"84385","Well, I just wanted to thank...",1867.12,1867.92,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":8,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},188,"84386","I know this guy.",1867.96,1870.08,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":8,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},189,"84387","Kim, we were together on the recording of Antes da Faixa.",1870.12,1873.24,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":8,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},190,"84388","I wanted to thank you for your presence, your participation here.",1873.3,1875.86,{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":8,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},191,"84389","I've followed you since adolescence, I told you that.",1876.34,1878.42,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":8,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},192,"84390","Thank you very much.",1879.1,1879.76,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":8,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},193,"84391","Front page of Estadão, I was listening to the interview here.",1879.92,1882.24,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":8,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},194,"84392","Front page of Estadão, in line with what you said, about the billion-dollar spending.",1882.72,1886.1,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":8,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},195,"84393","In an election year, spending by Lula's administration on advertising hits a record.",1886.58,1889.4,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":8,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":120,"indexable":13},196,"84394","So, I wanted to thank and congratulate you on your trajectory, both in the party and in this recent surge.",1889.92,1895.22,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":8,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},197,"84395","I hope to see you at the debate.",1895.26,1896.54,{"idx":1472,"utterance_id":1473,"speaker_name":8,"text":1474,"start_s":1475,"end_s":1476,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},198,"84396","Thank you for having enriched our morning program.",1896.6,1899.26,{"idx":1478,"utterance_id":1479,"speaker_name":8,"text":1480,"start_s":1481,"end_s":1482,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},199,"84397","Have a great day, and a good rest of the week to you.",1899.72,1901.54,{"idx":1484,"utterance_id":1485,"speaker_name":8,"text":1486,"start_s":1487,"end_s":1488,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},200,"84398","Thank you, audience, as well.",1901.58,1902.6,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":1491,"speaker_name":8,"text":1492,"start_s":1493,"end_s":1494,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},201,"84399","We continue here, we still have news, then Carol comes on, so everything proceeds as normal.",1902.7,1907.5,{"idx":1496,"utterance_id":1497,"speaker_name":8,"text":1498,"start_s":1499,"end_s":1500,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},202,"84400","Thanks, bye!",1907.56,1908.42,{"idx":1502,"utterance_id":1503,"speaker_name":8,"text":1504,"start_s":1505,"end_s":1506,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},203,"84401","Thank you.",1908.46,1909.9,{"idx":1508,"utterance_id":1509,"speaker_name":8,"text":1510,"start_s":1511,"end_s":1512,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},204,"84402","Thanks, thank you for the 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