[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":-1},["ShallowReactive",2],{"transcript-bc7d6599-507a-48fa-9d21-67b7edbb4150-en":3,"transcript-poster-bc7d6599-507a-48fa-9d21-67b7edbb4150":1282,"footer-top-topics-en":1283,"footer-top-speakers-en":1323},{"falas":4,"lang":1270,"meta":1271},[5,14,21,27,34,41,48,53,60,66,72,78,94,105,111,123,131,137,143,148,156,161,167,174,179,186,193,200,206,212,218,224,230,242,247,259,265,277,288,294,300,306,311,317,323,329,335,341,347,352,359,366,372,384,390,396,402,408,414,419,425,436,444,449,455,461,467,473,479,484,490,496,506,517,523,529,535,541,547,556,562,568,574,580,591,597,603,609,615,621,627,633,639,645,651,656,662,668,679,685,691,697,703,709,715,721,727,733,744,749,755,761,767,773,779,785,791,797,803,809,815,821,832,838,844,850,861,867,873,879,885,894,900,906,911,917,923,929,935,941,947,953,959,968,974,980,986,992,1003,1009,1015,1021,1027,1033,1039,1045,1051,1062,1068,1074,1080,1086,1092,1098,1104,1110,1116,1127,1133,1139,1145,1151,1157,1168,1174,1180,1186,1192,1198,1204,1210,1216,1222,1228,1234,1240,1246,1252,1258,1264],{"idx":6,"utterance_id":7,"speaker_name":8,"text":9,"start_s":10,"end_s":11,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},0,"68579","Desconhecido","Hello, this is Poder Entrevista.",0.22,1.7,6,false,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":16,"speaker_name":8,"text":17,"start_s":18,"end_s":19,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1,"68580","I am Nicolas Prensa, editor at Poder 360, and I now interview Simone Tebet.",2,6.86,14,{"idx":18,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":8,"text":23,"start_s":24,"end_s":25,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},"68581","Simone Tebet is the former Minister of Planning and Budget in the Lula government, a pre-candidate for the Federal Senate for São Paulo, and was a presidential candidate in 2022.",7.58,16.48,25,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":29,"speaker_name":8,"text":30,"start_s":31,"end_s":32,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},3,"68582","Simone Tebet, thank you for accepting the invitation.",16.7,19.3,8,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":36,"speaker_name":8,"text":37,"start_s":38,"end_s":39,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},4,"68583","Don't mention it, Nicolas, the pleasure is mine to be able to speak to São Paulo, to Brazil, through Poder 360.",19.34,25.92,18,{"idx":42,"utterance_id":43,"speaker_name":8,"text":44,"start_s":45,"end_s":46,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},5,"68584","I also thank all the web viewers who are watching this program.",26.1,29.76,11,{"idx":12,"utterance_id":49,"speaker_name":8,"text":50,"start_s":51,"end_s":52,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},"68585","This interview is being recorded at the Poder 360 studio in Brasília on June 23, 2026.",30.38,37.72,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":55,"speaker_name":8,"text":56,"start_s":57,"end_s":58,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},7,"68586","To stay well informed, subscribe to the Poder 360 channel, turn on notifications, and don't miss any relevant information.",37.88,44.78,20,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":61,"speaker_name":8,"text":62,"start_s":63,"end_s":64,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},"68587","Fernando Haddad has already mentioned your name a few times, as well as Marina Silva and Márcio França, to make up the ticket as vice.",45.28,52.3,22,{"idx":67,"utterance_id":68,"speaker_name":8,"text":69,"start_s":70,"end_s":71,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},9,"68588","Is there a possibility you would join as vice?",52.9,54.98,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":74,"speaker_name":8,"text":75,"start_s":76,"end_s":77,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},10,"68589","Is the PT making an effort in that direction?",55.06,56.52,{"idx":47,"utterance_id":79,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":82,"start_s":83,"end_s":84,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":86,"topic_label":87,"target_id":88,"target_proposition":89,"stance":90,"stance_confidence":91,"rationale":92,"indexable":93},"68590","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","No, Nicolas, the PT has been with me more than once; in fact, one of the reasons for running as a pre-candidate, launching myself as a pre-candidate for the Federal Senate, was knowing that I have the PT's support here.",57.08,74.14,33,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Presidential Elections","52f73148-aa9c-4361-ae02-b3caaa70fcff","accept PT's support for a Senate candidacy for São Paulo","neutro_descritivo",0.78,"reports that PT has already met with her and supported her pre-candidacy.",true,{"idx":95,"utterance_id":96,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":97,"start_s":98,"end_s":99,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":86,"topic_label":87,"target_id":101,"target_proposition":102,"stance":90,"stance_confidence":103,"rationale":104,"indexable":13},12,"68591","in the State of São Paulo, and we will soon be in a collective decision, because it is a project of the country, of the country we want, of São Paulo that we want for the next four, for the next eight years; it is a collective project, we will collectively sit at a table deciding who will be the vice on Fernanda Haddad's ticket and the two candidates in convention for the Federal Senate for São Paulo.",76.2,105.1,68,"294d2cab-70c2-4c30-b1af-29835ec5e325","nominate an honest, decent vice president",0.7,"says the 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ticket.",{"idx":124,"utterance_id":125,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":126,"start_s":127,"end_s":128,"word_count":42,"topic_slug":116,"topic_label":117,"target_id":118,"target_proposition":119,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":129,"rationale":130,"indexable":13},15,"68594","There is no democracy without plurality.",113.66,116.24,0.85,"states that 'não há democracia sem pluralidade', advocating for more women.",{"idx":132,"utterance_id":133,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":134,"start_s":135,"end_s":136,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},16,"68595","Brazil is made up of men and women.",117.02,119.34,{"idx":138,"utterance_id":139,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":140,"start_s":141,"end_s":142,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},17,"68596","Society is made up of men and women.",120.22,122.72,{"idx":40,"utterance_id":144,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":145,"start_s":146,"end_s":147,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},"68597","And, unfortunately, that is not what happens in Brazilian politics.",123.24,127.62,{"idx":149,"utterance_id":150,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":151,"start_s":152,"end_s":153,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":116,"topic_label":117,"target_id":118,"target_proposition":119,"stance":90,"stance_confidence":154,"rationale":155,"indexable":93},19,"68598","Brazil is one of the last countries in the world in female representation.",128.1,132.48,0.8,"cites a statistic (≈18%) about women in politics, describing the problem.",{"idx":59,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":138,"indexable":13},"68599","We have around 18% of women in politics, while the world average is 30%.",133,140.72,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":163,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":164,"start_s":165,"end_s":166,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},21,"68600","Bolivia has 50% female representation in its parliament.",140.98,144.48,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":168,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":169,"start_s":170,"end_s":171,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":116,"topic_label":117,"target_id":118,"target_proposition":119,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":121,"rationale":173,"indexable":93},"68601","So, being in the largest state of the Brazilian Federation, like São Paulo, on a major ticket without a single woman being represented is a very serious offense.",144.98,154.72,23,"calls the absence of women on the ticket a 'crime gravíssimo', calling for inclusion.",{"idx":172,"utterance_id":175,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":176,"start_s":177,"end_s":178,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},"68602","It is a disrespect to the population in general.",155.14,158.92,{"idx":180,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":185,"indexable":13},24,"68603","Not just to women, but to men and women, because if you ask Brazilians and male Paulistas, I have no doubt they will say the importance of women in politics, and I'm not even talking about 50%, I'm talking about 30%.",159.26,175.72,48,{"idx":26,"utterance_id":187,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":188,"start_s":189,"end_s":190,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":116,"topic_label":117,"target_id":118,"target_proposition":119,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":192,"indexable":93},"68604","I am very happy that on our side of the ticket we will have 50%.",175.86,180.14,0.86,"celebrates having 50% women in the composition mentioned.",{"idx":194,"utterance_id":195,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":196,"start_s":197,"end_s":198,"word_count":199,"indexable":13},26,"68605","If we think of the candidacies for governor, vice, and two Senate seats as major names, we will have 50% women and 50% men, whether they are in the pre-candidacies to the Senate or are in a vice 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ticket.",211.6,218.32,{"idx":225,"utterance_id":226,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":229,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},31,"68610","I'll leave that; it's a criterion he has to establish.",218.9,221.94,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":236,"topic_label":237,"target_id":238,"target_proposition":239,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":240,"rationale":241,"indexable":93},32,"68611","What I can say, Nicolas, is that it's no use applying perfume or talking about cosmetics on a ticket that is empty of content.",222.32,234.06,"composicao-de-chapa","Ticket Composition","f900e40c-61c9-4c83-b27e-8e5cf688c091","prioritize content and program when composing major slates",0.88,"criticizes 'perfumaria' and tokenism in slates without 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agribusiness like me — it does not engage with the sustainability agenda, that sees, in the economy, the presence of the State as the enemy, when in reality we don't have to discuss whether the State should be maximal or minimal; we have to find the necessary State, the size of the State must be what is necessary to serve, to provide excellent services to the Brazilian population.",275.52,317.72,108,"papel-do-estado","Role of the State","b4f102be-615d-4403-9628-8a9e9510d60c","ensure the State presence necessary to deliver excellent public services","argues that the State should have the size necessary to serve the population well.",{"idx":278,"utterance_id":279,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":280,"start_s":281,"end_s":282,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":283,"topic_label":284,"target_id":285,"target_proposition":286,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":129,"rationale":287,"indexable":93},37,"68616","And I'm talking not only about education, health, public safety, I'm talking about 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that you received many votes in the state in 2022 and that you have greater acceptance.",349.96,357.62,{"idx":301,"utterance_id":302,"speaker_name":8,"text":303,"start_s":304,"end_s":305,"word_count":149,"indexable":13},40,"68619","Do you think that a pre-candidacy in Mato Grosso do Sul, your home state, would be more difficult?",358.42,363.64,{"idx":199,"utterance_id":307,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":308,"start_s":309,"end_s":310,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},"68620","No, Nicolas, I think it is much more difficult here.",364.16,366.58,{"idx":312,"utterance_id":313,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":314,"start_s":315,"end_s":316,"word_count":138,"indexable":13},42,"68621","I did polls, we had polls before, including from my opponents, who are today candidates for the Senate.",367.38,373.18,{"idx":318,"utterance_id":319,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":320,"start_s":321,"end_s":322,"word_count":180,"indexable":13},43,"68622","One is already a senator and told me this clearly, that I clearly competed for a Senate seat competitively, for one reason, Nicolas.",374.36,384.72,{"idx":324,"utterance_id":325,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":326,"start_s":327,"end_s":328,"word_count":260,"indexable":13},44,"68623","When we talk about polarization in Brazil, even in more Bolsonarist states, President Lula does not have less than 35% to 38% of the votes, which is what happens in Mato Grosso do Sul.",385.68,397.58,{"idx":330,"utterance_id":331,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":332,"start_s":333,"end_s":334,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},45,"68624","Indeed, in the last election, if I'm not mistaken, he reached almost 40% of the votes.",397.9,402.34,{"idx":336,"utterance_id":337,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":338,"start_s":339,"end_s":340,"word_count":301,"indexable":13},46,"68625","The PT there had already announced, declared that it would not run a candidate and that it would run a candidate alone, alone, without any allied party putting forward another name, which already gave me practically more than 30% of the votes; the polls showed this.",403.1,420.1,{"idx":342,"utterance_id":343,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":344,"start_s":345,"end_s":346,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},47,"68626","I came to São Paulo for other reasons, I have ties to São Paulo, it's not new, so I feel very comfortable.",421.24,427.8,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":348,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":349,"start_s":350,"end_s":351,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},"68627","to talk about São Paulo.",428.66,429.74,{"idx":353,"utterance_id":354,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":355,"start_s":356,"end_s":357,"word_count":358,"indexable":13},49,"68628","I was born here on the border, I know the entire northwest of São Paulo since childhood, my grandparents came from Lebanon and chose the region around Marília, Bauru, Lins, my husband is from Birigui, in the interior of São Paulo, my daughters have been in São Paulo for more than 10 years, I studied in São Paulo, I did a master's at PUC in São Paulo.",430.14,449.38,62,{"idx":360,"utterance_id":361,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":362,"start_s":363,"end_s":364,"word_count":365,"indexable":13},50,"68629","I have properties in São Paulo, and you were right when you said that, in the last election, I had votes in São Paulo regarding the presidency of the Republic, and I don't know the numbers yet — I even have them; every time I give an interview I think I have to look for those numbers and I end up forgetting — but by far, proportionally, it was the state that gave me the most votes; I think that something around one third of all the votes in Brazil were votes in São Paulo.",449.74,478.2,94,{"idx":367,"utterance_id":368,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":369,"start_s":370,"end_s":371,"word_count":18,"indexable":13},51,"68630","São Paulo.",478.46,478.92,{"idx":373,"utterance_id":374,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":375,"start_s":376,"end_s":377,"word_count":330,"topic_slug":378,"topic_label":379,"target_id":380,"target_proposition":381,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":382,"rationale":383,"indexable":93},52,"68631","I believe that my proposals here, I believe that the centrist person who can dialogue well with the center-right and the center-left, with the right and with the left, increasingly appeals to an electorate that is truly tired of polarization.",479.04,494.92,"ideologia-politica","Political Ideology","0ac95946-6eec-42af-86a9-9227d635f86a","adopt a centrist political stance to dialog with center-right and center-left",0.82,"says she is a 'pessoa de centro' to appeal to an electorate tired of polarization.",{"idx":385,"utterance_id":386,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":387,"start_s":388,"end_s":389,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},53,"68632","So a collective project comes to present me to São Paulo to defend São Paulo's interests.",494.98,500.76,{"idx":391,"utterance_id":392,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":393,"start_s":394,"end_s":395,"word_count":367,"indexable":13},54,"68633","to address São Paulo's relevant shortcomings and, if it is the voters' will — we are still talking about a pre-candidacy — all my effort, all my love, all my experience, having already had eight years in the Senate, in favor of the interests of São Paulo and Brazil.",501.44,518.94,{"idx":397,"utterance_id":398,"speaker_name":8,"text":399,"start_s":400,"end_s":401,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},55,"68634","What is your assessment of the proposal that ends the 6x1 shift pattern and reduces the working day?",519.54,525.66,{"idx":403,"utterance_id":404,"speaker_name":8,"text":405,"start_s":406,"end_s":407,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},56,"68635","Do you consider the text as it stands in the 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Senate.",541.84,545.78,{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":33,"topic_slug":431,"topic_label":432,"target_id":433,"target_proposition":434,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":154,"rationale":435,"indexable":93},60,"68639","I think a very good bill came out.",546.36,549.62,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","International Relations \u002F Labor","c5b70df5-f450-4db7-a46b-c00242befd3a","approve a bill that ends the 6x1 shift and reduces the working hours","praises the bill coming from the Chamber of Deputies: 'saiu um projeto muito bom'.",{"idx":437,"utterance_id":438,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":439,"start_s":440,"end_s":441,"word_count":47,"topic_slug":431,"topic_label":432,"target_id":433,"target_proposition":434,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":442,"rationale":443,"indexable":93},61,"68640","It can even be improved, there is no problem in that regard.",550.48,553.92,0.75,"accepts improvements but supports the overall proposal ('pode até ser aperfeiçoado').",{"idx":358,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":446,"start_s":447,"end_s":448,"word_count":219,"indexable":13},"68641","What I can say with complete calm, as someone who is liberal on the economy, who does the math, who doesn't put everything on paper, I was the fiscal official in the government.",554.32,564.64,{"idx":450,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":85,"indexable":13},63,"68642","of President Lula, always that cautious one — here you can't, here you can, here you shouldn't, here you must — but I have the calm to say that Brazil is mature enough to debate, discuss and approve this bill.",565.04,578.48,{"idx":456,"utterance_id":457,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":458,"start_s":459,"end_s":460,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},64,"68643","It is not a project of us versus them, worker against the productive sector; I am from the productive sector.",579.02,585.26,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},65,"68644","I am from agribusiness.",585.66,586.88,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":289,"indexable":13},66,"68645","I asked IPEA, which was under my ministry, which is the Institute with the greatest credibility today for applied economic research, recognized by the major academies and universities, including here in São Paulo, to carry out the study.",587.28,602.3,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},67,"68646","The impact, for example, on agribusiness is 1%.",602.58,605.28,{"idx":100,"utterance_id":480,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":481,"start_s":482,"end_s":483,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},"68647","In the agro-industry it is very small.",606.26,607.84,{"idx":485,"utterance_id":486,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":487,"start_s":488,"end_s":489,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},69,"68648","The services sector feels it somewhat, but especially small businesses.",608.22,614.18,{"idx":491,"utterance_id":492,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":493,"start_s":494,"end_s":495,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},70,"68649","And for them, indeed.",614.64,616.06,{"idx":497,"utterance_id":498,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":499,"start_s":500,"end_s":501,"word_count":367,"topic_slug":431,"topic_label":432,"target_id":502,"target_proposition":503,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":504,"rationale":505,"indexable":93},71,"68650","Because this is what I mean when I say it's not all or nothing; I am in favor of ending the 6x1 schedule without salary reduction, creating protection mechanisms for the small and medium merchant, service provider, who will need, yes, the hand of the State in order to avoid any financial loss.",616.46,636.26,"f67697cf-1bf4-4265-bfd0-08d59fefc47e","end six-for-one work schedule without salary reduction",0.92,"explicitly states 'sou a favor do fim da escala 6x1 sem redução de salário'.",{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":512,"topic_label":513,"target_id":514,"target_proposition":515,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":129,"rationale":516,"indexable":93},72,"68651","And this is possible without putting money from the Brazilian budget, but through arrangements and instruments that the legislation already allows.",636.38,645.34,"orcamento-publico","Public Budget","413cc7c9-ed10-4dca-b157-4e433e72603d","review tax expenditures to offset sectors affected by regulatory changes","proposes using a review of tax expenditures to offset potential losses.",{"idx":518,"utterance_id":519,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":520,"start_s":521,"end_s":522,"word_count":324,"indexable":13},73,"68652","We talk a lot about tax expenditures; Brazil forgoes more than 600 billion of its revenue for sectors. It is possible to review part of these subsidies, these tax expenditures, and use part of them to compensate those who might eventually incur losses, especially, again, small businesses.",645.78,667.62,{"idx":524,"utterance_id":525,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":526,"start_s":527,"end_s":528,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},74,"68653","And the medium employer — I'm talking about someone who has 2, 5, 10, 12, 15 employees — may feel it, and hence the reason for the existence of the State.",667.98,678.66,{"idx":530,"utterance_id":531,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":532,"start_s":533,"end_s":534,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},75,"68654","The State coming in, even if temporarily, to protect the productive sector.",679.12,684.78,{"idx":536,"utterance_id":537,"speaker_name":8,"text":538,"start_s":539,"end_s":540,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},76,"68655","You mentioned State support for small entrepreneurs for the reduction of the schedule.",685.02,692.3,{"idx":542,"utterance_id":543,"speaker_name":8,"text":544,"start_s":545,"end_s":546,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},77,"68656","Do you believe that the transition period would be sufficient?",692.4,697.06,{"idx":548,"utterance_id":549,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":550,"start_s":551,"end_s":552,"word_count":180,"topic_slug":431,"topic_label":432,"target_id":553,"target_proposition":554,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":154,"rationale":555,"indexable":93},78,"68657","I don't know the time frame that will be approved in the National Congress, but the transition has to be at the limit, according to the needs of the sector.",697.84,707.6,"6f2d5493-4234-4af6-8bb0-d0d9defa1ab6","establish a transition period adjusted to the sector's needs for implementing the new work schedule","states that the transition 'tem que ser no limite, na necessidade do setor'.",{"idx":557,"utterance_id":558,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":559,"start_s":560,"end_s":561,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},79,"68658","If that will take one year, if it will take two or three years, time will tell; this can be adjusted.",708.14,714.24,{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},80,"68659","Why do I say that?",714.68,715.76,{"idx":569,"utterance_id":570,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":571,"start_s":572,"end_s":573,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},81,"68660","Because we will have to calculate year by year the positive impact, and there will be one, in practice, especially for industry.",715.84,722.94,{"idx":575,"utterance_id":576,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":577,"start_s":578,"end_s":579,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},82,"68661","of small, medium and large industry, with the approval of the tax reform.",723.24,726.72,{"idx":581,"utterance_id":582,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":583,"start_s":584,"end_s":585,"word_count":26,"topic_slug":586,"topic_label":587,"target_id":588,"target_proposition":589,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":382,"rationale":590,"indexable":93},83,"68662","The tax reform will take effect in terms of federal tax unification and simplification, of federal taxes, starting in January next year.",727.14,737.36,"reforma-fiscal","Fiscal Reform","46dd1fa1-a391-4585-a5e7-41884948074d","unify federal taxes","says the unifying tax reform will give industry some breathing room.",{"idx":592,"utterance_id":593,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":594,"start_s":595,"end_s":596,"word_count":180,"indexable":13},84,"68663","So it will give a breather, a lifeline, especially again to industry, and the São Paulo industry is the one that will feel the positive effects the most.",737.76,745.22,{"idx":598,"utterance_id":599,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":600,"start_s":601,"end_s":602,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},85,"68664","And from 2032... there will be a unification of state and municipal taxes.",745.92,752.16,{"idx":604,"utterance_id":605,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":606,"start_s":607,"end_s":608,"word_count":289,"indexable":13},86,"68665","So, we are talking about, for some sectors, a one-year transition, State support, State protection to sectors for one year, and there may be cases where an extension is necessary.",752.72,766.02,{"idx":610,"utterance_id":611,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":612,"start_s":613,"end_s":614,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},87,"68666","And that happens; the National Congress is there for that; the elected president, whoever it may be, no one wants to and no one will bankrupt any sector",766.6,775.56,{"idx":616,"utterance_id":617,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":618,"start_s":619,"end_s":620,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},88,"68667","of the Brazilian economy, because it is fundamental for GDP growth, for increasing GDP per capita, for the generation of jobs and income.",776.24,786.22,{"idx":622,"utterance_id":623,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":624,"start_s":625,"end_s":626,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},89,"68668","So it's a system that works and works well; it's the system of having two powers always and never just one: the executive branch and the legislative branch.",786.62,799.9,{"idx":628,"utterance_id":629,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":630,"start_s":631,"end_s":632,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},90,"68669","One playing the role of presenting proposals, the other playing the role of overseeing and improving or rejecting proposals.",800.24,807.12,{"idx":634,"utterance_id":635,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":636,"start_s":637,"end_s":638,"word_count":132,"indexable":13},91,"68670","In a democracy, these two powers function well when there is effectively political will, even while doing opposition.",807.44,816.12,{"idx":640,"utterance_id":641,"speaker_name":8,"text":642,"start_s":643,"end_s":644,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},92,"68671","Many people think that Congress moved the agenda a bit quickly in the Chamber of Deputies.",818.5,824.4,{"idx":646,"utterance_id":647,"speaker_name":8,"text":648,"start_s":649,"end_s":650,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},93,"68672","Do you think sectors were sufficiently heard or did they need to be heard more?",824.92,829.62,{"idx":365,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":260,"indexable":13},"68673","They are being heard now in the Senate; it is part of the process and they need to be heard, but I don't see difficulty, nor do I think it's an electioneering move to approve the end of the 6x1 now.",830.18,843.16,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},95,"68674","Similarly, as I have seen other demands, and these indeed, some bombshell items that deserve analysis in light of the legislation.",844.24,852.9,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},96,"68675","If the legislation allows... And if you do it the correct way, the National Congress has the autonomy and sovereignty to do so.",853.36,862.42,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":674,"topic_label":675,"target_id":676,"target_proposition":677,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":154,"rationale":678,"indexable":93},97,"68676","What you cannot do is, for example, establish at the last minute every two years, and here I enter another important issue, Nicolas, which is a re-discussion, a political reform, and we have to address the issue of having elections every two years.",862.78,877.5,"sistema-eleitoral-e-voto-impresso-integridade-do-processo","Electoral System & Paper Ballot","10f142c4-305b-4337-85e8-e9eb97d7f145","reform the electoral calendar to reduce elections held every two years","advocates revisiting the issue to prevent Brazil from stopping every two years because of elections.",{"idx":680,"utterance_id":681,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":682,"start_s":683,"end_s":684,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},98,"68677","I have previously been in favor of re-election.",877.96,879.54,{"idx":686,"utterance_id":687,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":688,"start_s":689,"end_s":690,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},99,"68678","I have also been in favor of you having staggered elections, because the election is very long for voters to cast their ballots.",880.6,885.8,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},100,"68679","It's very difficult for you to have an election.",885.88,888.54,{"idx":698,"utterance_id":699,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":700,"start_s":701,"end_s":702,"word_count":180,"indexable":13},101,"68680","For the municipal election — City Council and Mayor — and a separate election for President of the Republic and governor, senator, federal deputy, state deputy.",889.2,899.16,{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":634,"indexable":13},102,"68681","I am coming to the conclusion that, faced with certain issues that have a very large impact on the Brazilian budget, many of them arriving at the last minute, not discussed, not debated... and that cause a very large fiscal impact, Brazil, first, cannot stop every two years the way it has been stopping because of elections, and second, that every two years the Brazilian budget be exposed in a way that makes it impossible in the future for essential public services to be delivered with quality to the Brazilian population.",899.56,936.26,{"idx":710,"utterance_id":711,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":712,"start_s":713,"end_s":714,"word_count":253,"indexable":13},103,"68682","I am speaking specifically about the number of bills in the National Congress which, if all of them were approved — of course they won't be — would have an impact of something on the order of more than 100 billion; I'm not talking millions, I'm talking about 100 billion reais per year, therefore over 10 years exceeding one trillion.",936.54,955.1,{"idx":716,"utterance_id":717,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":718,"start_s":719,"end_s":720,"word_count":397,"indexable":13},104,"68683","So, there are some that have to advance. You have, for example, the Super Simples itself, which was frozen. You can't achieve everything everyone wants, but you can make gradual adjustments throughout the year. I think that's also a way to... balance the issue of the six-for-one scale, you see?",955.58,974.96,{"idx":722,"utterance_id":723,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":724,"start_s":725,"end_s":726,"word_count":420,"indexable":13},105,"68684","In conversation, things come up, to show you how even these issues must stop being polarized. It's not because someone is on the right that they are against ending the six-for-one scale. I'm center-right on economic issues and I'm not against it; on the contrary, I think the six-for-one scale should end.",975.06,993.76,{"idx":728,"utterance_id":729,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":730,"start_s":731,"end_s":732,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},106,"68685","By creating mechanisms to protect the sector.",994.68,997.38,{"idx":734,"utterance_id":735,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":736,"start_s":737,"end_s":738,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":739,"topic_label":740,"target_id":741,"target_proposition":742,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":743,"indexable":93},107,"68686","The Super Simples, by raising the threshold, is one of the alternatives, for example, to compensate any possible losses to those small and medium-sized companies.",997.72,1008.4,"politicas-para-micro-e-pequena-empresa","Micro and Small Business","75e7992c-f092-485c-8c65-131410f393b4","raise the Simples Nacional (Super Simples) threshold to protect small businesses","suggests raising the Super Simples limit as a compensatory alternative.",{"idx":271,"utterance_id":745,"speaker_name":8,"text":746,"start_s":747,"end_s":748,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},"68687","Recently the government cut rural insurance by about 50% for this year.",1009.16,1013.72,{"idx":750,"utterance_id":751,"speaker_name":8,"text":752,"start_s":753,"end_s":754,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},109,"68688","And there is a forecast of a \"super alninho\", which could affect production.",1014.36,1017.94,{"idx":756,"utterance_id":757,"speaker_name":8,"text":758,"start_s":759,"end_s":760,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},110,"68689","What is your assessment of the decision, ma'am?",1018.3,1020.02,{"idx":762,"utterance_id":763,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":764,"start_s":765,"end_s":766,"word_count":132,"indexable":13},111,"68690","It's a larger discussion; again, I'm from agribusiness, so I understand this issue well.",1020.34,1024.76,{"idx":768,"utterance_id":769,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":770,"start_s":771,"end_s":772,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},112,"68691","The problem of Brazilian agribusiness, indeed worldwide, first... The world subsidizes agribusiness.",1026.9,1033.64,{"idx":774,"utterance_id":775,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":776,"start_s":777,"end_s":778,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},113,"68692","Without subsidies, we can't produce enough at a lower price and put food on the worker's table.",1033.74,1040.74,{"idx":780,"utterance_id":781,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":782,"start_s":783,"end_s":784,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},114,"68693","And whenever I say this, I do so very affectionately and with praise for the family farmer.",1040.8,1047.92,{"idx":786,"utterance_id":787,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":788,"start_s":789,"end_s":790,"word_count":26,"indexable":13},115,"68694","I think that whenever we talk about agribusiness, we have to speak of family farming, which is the one that effectively supplies 70% of the food",1048.38,1055.26,{"idx":792,"utterance_id":793,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":794,"start_s":795,"end_s":796,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},116,"68695","on the table of the Brazilian people.",1055.64,1056.88,{"idx":798,"utterance_id":799,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":800,"start_s":801,"end_s":802,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},117,"68696","We in agribusiness — medium and large agribusiness — export much more.",1056.96,1060.52,{"idx":804,"utterance_id":805,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":806,"start_s":807,"end_s":808,"word_count":138,"indexable":13},118,"68697","And with that, we move the trade balance and the Brazilian GDP positively, generating jobs, income and so on.",1060.96,1068.06,{"idx":810,"utterance_id":811,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":812,"start_s":813,"end_s":814,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},119,"68698","But the problem of agribusiness really is not a problem of financing or budget.",1068.58,1074.88,{"idx":816,"utterance_id":817,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":818,"start_s":819,"end_s":820,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},120,"68699","The problem of agribusiness is a problem of credit.",1075.5,1078.74,{"idx":822,"utterance_id":823,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":824,"start_s":825,"end_s":826,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":827,"topic_label":828,"target_id":829,"target_proposition":830,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":240,"rationale":831,"indexable":93},121,"68700","And that would be a long story, but to summarize, we must have a record-breaking Plano Safra and we are having one.",1079.34,1086.72,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","Agriculture & Agribusiness","984d9526-924e-46d5-b9d2-61c91e9e9040","expand FEAP resources for rural financing and insurance","supports 'um plano safra sempre recorde' as a policy for agribusiness.",{"idx":833,"utterance_id":834,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":835,"start_s":836,"end_s":837,"word_count":149,"indexable":13},122,"68701","This is a government that cannot be faulted; agribusiness cannot complain about President Lula's government.",1087.46,1093.28,{"idx":839,"utterance_id":840,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":841,"start_s":842,"end_s":843,"word_count":278,"indexable":13},123,"68702","The Plano Safra breaks records; the problem — as you mentioned and you are right — is that we are subject to external factors, we depend heavily on... trading partners who buy from us so that we have good prices, and we depend on the climate.",1093.7,1109.84,{"idx":845,"utterance_id":846,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":847,"start_s":848,"end_s":849,"word_count":491,"indexable":13},124,"68703","And then comes the problem that many times we have to enter into financing and these financings need differentiated interest rates, which is what the CMN normally does. The Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Planning and Budget, which I had the privilege of holding, sit at the table and discuss... differentiated interest rates, grace periods, longer terms, not only for family farming but for agribusiness as well.",1110.4,1139.24,{"idx":851,"utterance_id":852,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":853,"start_s":854,"end_s":855,"word_count":199,"topic_slug":856,"topic_label":857,"target_id":858,"target_proposition":859,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":121,"rationale":860,"indexable":93},125,"68704","So agribusiness is being discussed, it's on the negotiating table — not only rural insurance but also differentiated and cheaper interest rates — and I advocate that they really be reduced, because that means cheaper food on the table of the Brazilian worker.",1139.58,1155.68,"politica-de-credito-e-financiamento","Credit and Financing Policy","953118c7-6bc5-43ee-8a71-c809ec886041","eliminate credit subsidies to the agricultural sector and equalize financing conditions for all entrepreneurs","advocates that differentiated interest rates for agribusiness 'realmente caiam'.",{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":8,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},126,"68705","The Central Bank announced a reduction of the Selic rate by 0.25 percentage points.",1155.98,1160.92,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":8,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},127,"68706","but it showed caution in the decision because of the resilience of economic growth and the global scenario.",1161.62,1166.54,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":8,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},128,"68707","Meanwhile the Fox bulletin raised the inflation forecast by 0.03 percentage points.",1167.06,1173.74,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":8,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},129,"68708","Does the government need to reevaluate economic policies in light of this scenario?",1174.36,1177.94,{"idx":886,"utterance_id":887,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":888,"start_s":889,"end_s":890,"word_count":40,"topic_slug":586,"topic_label":587,"target_id":891,"target_proposition":892,"stance":90,"stance_confidence":103,"rationale":893,"indexable":13},130,"68709","Whoever the next president is, Nicolas, next year will have to present a fiscal adjustment.",1178.64,1183.52,"5f62396b-98c8-4754-83e7-af2708e10c03","present a fiscal adjustment by the next elected president","states that the next president 'vai ter que apresentar um ajuste fiscal'.",{"idx":895,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":336,"indexable":13},131,"68710","The fiscal adjustment that was presented from '22 to '23, and I was there as a senator — I had already lost the election but was serving as senator at the end of '22 — was the possible fiscal framework, not only the one presented but also the one approved by the National Congress.",1183.98,1201.5,{"idx":901,"utterance_id":902,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":903,"start_s":904,"end_s":905,"word_count":132,"indexable":13},132,"68711","After that I was no longer there, I was already a minister, and Congress ended up flexibilizing the framework.",1201.62,1207.72,{"idx":159,"utterance_id":907,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":908,"start_s":909,"end_s":910,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},"68712","It's important to share that responsibility.",1207.94,1211.4,{"idx":912,"utterance_id":913,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":914,"start_s":915,"end_s":916,"word_count":289,"indexable":13},134,"68713","And I'm not saying this as blame, I'm not holding anyone responsible, I'm only presenting the facts or life as it is. Life is not as we would like it to be, and politics is the same.",1211.92,1223.2,{"idx":918,"utterance_id":919,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":920,"start_s":921,"end_s":922,"word_count":686,"indexable":13},135,"68714","We had just come out of a pandemic, had just come out of an economic crisis, from a government that was erratic on the economy, that did not include in the budget — I voted, so no one told me — it did not include in the budget expenditures to fulfill the actions set out in the budget by it. I give only one example of Minha Casa Minha Vida: there was no money, we had 60 million, we needed at least one billion, so we had to reinsert resources by more than 160 billion; I even think it should not have been all that, Congress wanted it and approved it.",1223.26,1259.42,{"idx":924,"utterance_id":925,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":926,"start_s":927,"end_s":928,"word_count":360,"indexable":13},136,"68715","I think a little less than that, maybe 120 instead of 60; 60 would have covered it. So we had to expand spending because there were no resources for Farmácia Popular, Minha Casa Minha Vida, among other things. So it was a replenishment, and we had to present a possible fiscal framework for that moment.",1260.02,1277.68,{"idx":930,"utterance_id":931,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":932,"start_s":933,"end_s":934,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},137,"68716","Four years later, Nicola, with a Congress that, although more to the right, is not fiscally strict.",1278.52,1284.72,{"idx":936,"utterance_id":937,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":938,"start_s":939,"end_s":940,"word_count":768,"indexable":13},138,"68717","There is a mistake, and only now the press has begun to discover this and to make constructive and pertinent criticisms: it's a Congress where spending is life — it doesn't matter where I'm going to get the money from, I will recompose that spending. The explosive spending bills show this, to the point that the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is now having to take, to deliberate, after being prompted on this issue, that if Congress wants to create new spending, new public policies, it has to say where it will take that revenue from, or where it will offset that spending, because there is only one cake, and the slices must be divided according to society's needs.",1285.08,1329,{"idx":942,"utterance_id":943,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":944,"start_s":945,"end_s":946,"word_count":132,"indexable":13},139,"68718","So, all this to tell you the following: those four years of transition were necessary.",1329.28,1334.82,{"idx":948,"utterance_id":949,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":950,"start_s":951,"end_s":952,"word_count":35,"indexable":13},140,"68719","That bridge was necessary.",1335.38,1336.96,{"idx":954,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},141,"68720","Now, the next elected president will have to make an adjustment.",1337.32,1340.6,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":586,"topic_label":587,"target_id":965,"target_proposition":966,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":382,"rationale":967,"indexable":93},142,"68721","I don't think the fiscal framework needs to be abolished.",1340.94,1343.5,"4d78bf9e-33aa-48d4-b8a3-0935051b0fd7","tighten fiscal framework rules moderately to ensure sustainability","defends 'apertar um pouco as regras' without compromising present and future.",{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},143,"68722","You just need to tighten it a bit more.",1343.86,1345.66,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":360,"indexable":13},144,"68723","Tighten the rules a little, in a way that also does not compromise Brazil's future and Brazil's present, because people often say that fiscal policy must be done strictly so as not to compromise the future, but the difference between medicine and poison is the dose.",1346.1,1364.92,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":295,"indexable":13},145,"68724","I cannot, in the name of the future, of our children who have not yet been born, kill the future or harm the physical, mental, intellectual health, the education, the preparation of the children who are born now and are now living.",1365.28,1381.32,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},146,"68725","So we always need that balance when we talk about fiscal policy, because they are not contradictory.",1381.66,1389.56,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":47,"topic_slug":998,"topic_label":999,"target_id":1000,"target_proposition":1001,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":129,"rationale":1002,"indexable":93},147,"68726","It is not fiscal or social; it is fiscal to guarantee social justice.",1390,1394.72,"justica-tributaria-tributacao-dos-super-ricos","Tax Justice \u002F Super-Rich Taxation","11b5c116-bf87-42ab-a88d-da46e474f3ad","make a fiscal adjustment that preserves social policies and ensures social justice","states that fiscal adjustment must ensure social justice, not be contradictory.",{"idx":1004,"utterance_id":1005,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1006,"start_s":1007,"end_s":1008,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},148,"68727","This is, in my view, the ideal recipe.",1395.2,1396.8,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":1011,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1012,"start_s":1013,"end_s":1014,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},149,"68728","They are not mutually exclusive.",1397.3,1398.44,{"idx":1016,"utterance_id":1017,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1018,"start_s":1019,"end_s":1020,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},150,"68729","One is a means to guarantee the greater end.",1398.9,1402.06,{"idx":1022,"utterance_id":1023,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1024,"start_s":1025,"end_s":1026,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},151,"68730","What is the purpose of the State?",1402.42,1404.24,{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},152,"68731","What is the purpose of politics?",1404.58,1406.46,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},153,"68732","The public purpose is social justice.",1406.52,1410.28,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},154,"68733","But you do not achieve social justice without an organized budget, without fiscal control that ensures we have low inflation and a controlled exchange rate.",1410.66,1423.26,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1048,"start_s":1049,"end_s":1050,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},155,"68734","And your question was about an interest rate... or the minimum allowed to ensure that the productive sector can finance itself, generate employment and income.",1423.58,1437.64,{"idx":1052,"utterance_id":1053,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1054,"start_s":1055,"end_s":1056,"word_count":420,"topic_slug":1057,"topic_label":1058,"target_id":1059,"target_proposition":1060,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":154,"rationale":1061,"indexable":93},156,"68735","Just to round the answer a little more and not let it pass, I think interest rates in Brazil are high; it's possible they can still fall at least in two more steps, in the next two meetings, even if by 0.25 and 0.25, for a reason, because... the Selic rate is not impacted only by domestic actions or problems.",1438.48,1462.4,"politica-monetaria","Monetary Policy","e6a2a07d-0a1c-49c9-8834-5d0475590a62","reduce the Selic rate","says that rates 'estão altas' and may fall in two more meetings.",{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},157,"68736","In fact, over at least the last year, but especially the last six months, basically because of at least three wars.",1462.82,1471.4,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},158,"68737","All of them are in regions whose inputs are essential for the Brazilian productive sector.",1472.16,1478.94,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},159,"68738","The Russia-Ukraine war.",1479.46,1481.54,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":201,"indexable":13},160,"68739","which affects the 80% of fertilizers that we import from that region, which go to agriculture, and at least 30% of production costs come from those fertilizers.",1481.98,1492.36,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":138,"indexable":13},161,"68740","So when fertilizer costs rise, production costs rise and food prices increase.",1493.42,1499.7,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":367,"indexable":13},162,"68741","But, to round out and summarize, going straight to the last one, the war that just ended... which we hope so, in Iran, which closed the Strait of Hormuz, through which a large part of the oil and fuel that reaches Brazil and other countries in the world used to pass, impacting inflation.",1500.56,1519.94,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":225,"indexable":13},163,"68742","So, since we already have at least that relief, I believe that the interest rate in Brazil can continue to fall in at least two more rate-setting meetings.",1520.34,1529.64,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":8,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":124,"indexable":13},164,"68743","After the new phase of Operation Compliance Zero last week, against Senator Jax Wagner.",1530.14,1535.58,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":8,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":132,"indexable":13},165,"68744","Do you consider that he should remain in the post of government leader in the Senate?",1536.18,1540.16,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":1122,"topic_label":1123,"target_id":1124,"target_proposition":1125,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":121,"rationale":1126,"indexable":93},166,"68745","No, Nicolas, I think he should already have resigned the post.",1540.44,1543,"comportamento-politico-e-lideranca","Political Behavior & Leadership","d9c21dda-6762-4cd4-8810-823593bd752e","request resignation or removal of the government's leader in the Senate amid investigation","states that the senator 'já deveria ter entregue o cargo' after the operation.",{"idx":1128,"utterance_id":1129,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1130,"start_s":1131,"end_s":1132,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},167,"68746","And I'm speaking as a lawyer, okay?",1544.42,1546.06,{"idx":1134,"utterance_id":1135,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1136,"start_s":1137,"end_s":1138,"word_count":138,"indexable":13},168,"68747","I speak as a lawyer who guarantees, who believes that everyone has the right to full defense and adversarial proceedings.",1546.6,1551.54,{"idx":1140,"utterance_id":1141,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1142,"start_s":1143,"end_s":1144,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},169,"68748","But he is the government leader, so, so as not to expose the government itself, he should, obviously in my view, ask to be removed from the leadership so that he can",1551.96,1562.04,{"idx":1146,"utterance_id":1147,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1148,"start_s":1149,"end_s":1150,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},170,"68749","take care of his defense and make the moves he deems pertinent.",1562.64,1570.04,{"idx":1152,"utterance_id":1153,"speaker_name":8,"text":1154,"start_s":1155,"end_s":1156,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},171,"68750","Do you consider that the next developments in the fraud concerning Banco Master require the installation of a CPMI?",1570.56,1578.18,{"idx":1158,"utterance_id":1159,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1160,"start_s":1161,"end_s":1162,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":1163,"topic_label":1164,"target_id":1165,"target_proposition":1166,"stance":120,"stance_confidence":121,"rationale":1167,"indexable":93},172,"68751","Either a CPMI in the Chamber of Deputies or in the Senate, without any doubt.",1578.82,1584.08,"combate-a-impunidade","Combating Impunity","a0637a1c-41f8-41dc-994a-468e7289e7fa","install a CPMI to investigate Banco Master","declares 'ou uma CPMI ... sem dúvida nenhuma' to provide transparency.",{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},173,"68752","It is the duty of the public official to provide transparency to the true owner of power.",1585.66,1589.86,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":213,"indexable":13},174,"68753","Power comes from the people, sovereignty is popular, they go to the polls, they vote, and they want to know what their parliamentarian, their representative is doing.",1590.68,1599.98,{"idx":1181,"utterance_id":1182,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1183,"start_s":1184,"end_s":1185,"word_count":557,"indexable":13},175,"68754","So when you have, in the largest corruption scandal of the country's financial system, perhaps of the world, so many ideological and partisan strands of political representatives involved — because it affects mandates expiring, it reaches from right to left and runs strongly through the centrão — the minimum that this National Congress, which has many accused (and we are, so far, only talking about accusations; no one has been convicted yet), the minimum that can be expected is transparency: they are public officials and were elected to represent Brazilian society.",1600.44,1642.82,{"idx":1187,"utterance_id":1188,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1189,"start_s":1190,"end_s":1191,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},176,"68755","So the minimum expected of the National Congress is transparency.",1642.88,1646.3,{"idx":1193,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},177,"68756","Ah, but the Federal Public Ministry is already acting.",1647.06,1648.88,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},178,"68757","Ah, the Federal Police is already acting.",1648.92,1650.38,{"idx":1205,"utterance_id":1206,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1207,"start_s":1208,"end_s":1209,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},179,"68758","Ah, the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is already acting.",1650.76,1652.02,{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},180,"68759","Ah, the Prosecutor's Office and the Public Ministry are already acting.",1652.18,1655.24,{"idx":1217,"utterance_id":1218,"speaker_name":80,"speaker_slug":81,"text":1219,"start_s":1220,"end_s":1221,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},181,"68760","That's true, but that is a legal analysis that is being carried 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pleasure.",1679.06,1681.02,{"idx":1247,"utterance_id":1248,"speaker_name":8,"text":1249,"start_s":1250,"end_s":1251,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},186,"68765","I also thank everyone who watched this program.",1681.44,1684.16,{"idx":1253,"utterance_id":1254,"speaker_name":8,"text":1255,"start_s":1256,"end_s":1257,"word_count":138,"indexable":13},187,"68766","This interview was recorded at the Poder 360 studio in Brasília on June 23, 2026.",1684.66,1689.92,{"idx":1259,"utterance_id":1260,"speaker_name":8,"text":1261,"start_s":1262,"end_s":1263,"word_count":59,"indexable":13},188,"68767","To stay well informed, subscribe to the Poder 360 channel, activate notifications and don't miss any relevant information.",1690.94,1698,{"idx":1265,"utterance_id":1266,"speaker_name":8,"text":1267,"start_s":1268,"end_s":1269,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},189,"68768","Thank you very much and see 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