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I thought would never pass, for example, within this Pension Reform, did pass.",917.82,925.78,{"idx":782,"utterance_id":783,"speaker_name":105,"text":784,"start_s":785,"end_s":786,"word_count":198,"indexable":75},120,"66022","It means that today in Congress there is a very great alignment between this ultraliberal economic agenda and what they represent there.",926.14,937.22,{"idx":788,"utterance_id":789,"speaker_name":105,"text":790,"start_s":791,"end_s":792,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},121,"66023","Obviously at some point they will be held accountable for this.",938.52,941,{"idx":794,"utterance_id":795,"speaker_name":105,"text":796,"start_s":797,"end_s":798,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},122,"66024","Next year we will have an election.",941.6,943.18,{"idx":800,"utterance_id":801,"speaker_name":105,"text":802,"start_s":803,"end_s":804,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},123,"66025","Deputies or senators who voted to withdraw several rights and who want to be candidates for mayor, for example, will in some way be held to account.",943.94,954.36,{"idx":806,"utterance_id":807,"speaker_name":105,"text":808,"start_s":809,"end_s":810,"word_count":375,"indexable":75},124,"66026","For example, these reforms that are going to be voted on next year were not voted on now — this fiscal adjustment, this administrative reform issue that they haven't sent yet, it seems they are giving it time — they will certainly have difficulty being voted on next year because of the electoral issue.",954.9,974.6,{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":105,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},125,"66027","It is a moment when the population will be able to express itself and demand accountability.",974.8,978,{"idx":818,"utterance_id":819,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":820,"start_s":821,"end_s":822,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},126,"66028","Has Guedes already sent what he announced, that carte blanche to sell public assets?",979.08,984.44,{"idx":824,"utterance_id":825,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":826,"start_s":827,"end_s":828,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},127,"66029","Is that already in the National Congress?",984.52,985.98,{"idx":830,"utterance_id":831,"speaker_name":105,"text":832,"start_s":833,"end_s":834,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},128,"66030","I believe not yet.",986.24,987.36,{"idx":836,"utterance_id":837,"speaker_name":105,"text":838,"start_s":839,"end_s":840,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},129,"66031","Was it only announced?",988.04,988.9,{"idx":842,"utterance_id":843,"speaker_name":105,"text":832,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},130,"66032",989,990,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":192,"indexable":75},131,"66033","But a carte blanche like that, a kind of power of attorney from Congress for the Executive to sell whatever it pleases?",990.06,997.04,{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":105,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},132,"66034","I think it will pass.",997.36,998.16,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":105,"text":855,"start_s":861,"end_s":862,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},133,"66035",999,999.7,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":864,"speaker_name":105,"text":865,"start_s":866,"end_s":867,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},"66036","Unfortunately, I think it will pass.",999.74,1000.96,{"idx":869,"utterance_id":870,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":871,"start_s":872,"end_s":873,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},135,"66037","In other words, if they want to sell Banco do Brasil, if they want to sell Caixa Econômica Federal...",1001.2,1005,{"idx":875,"utterance_id":876,"speaker_name":105,"text":877,"start_s":878,"end_s":879,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},136,"66038","I think it has backing there.",1005.12,1007.02,{"idx":881,"utterance_id":882,"speaker_name":105,"text":883,"start_s":884,"end_s":885,"word_count":245,"indexable":75},137,"66039","Until the previous Congress it was a bit more difficult, but if there isn’t — of course, if there is social mobilization, if work is done to maintain, in an active not passive way, the population’s assessment of this, because they are against it.",1007.84,1028.28,{"idx":887,"utterance_id":888,"speaker_name":105,"text":889,"start_s":890,"end_s":891,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},138,"66040","All polls show that the public is against this indiscriminate privatization.",1029.04,1033.74,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":893,"speaker_name":105,"text":894,"start_s":895,"end_s":896,"word_count":174,"indexable":75},"66041","But if there isn't a resistance movement with some strength, they'll pass it for sure.",1033.82,1040.18,{"idx":898,"utterance_id":899,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":900,"start_s":901,"end_s":902,"word_count":253,"indexable":75},140,"66042","The rumors that the public banks, above all Banco do Brasil and Caixa, are being prepared for sale — this... In Brasília, does that have backing in the data you receive?",1040.66,1053.78,{"idx":904,"utterance_id":905,"speaker_name":105,"text":906,"start_s":907,"end_s":908,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},141,"66043","It's difficult to know whether it has support in Congress to approve things like this.",1053.96,1058.6,{"idx":910,"utterance_id":911,"speaker_name":105,"text":912,"start_s":913,"end_s":914,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},142,"66044","But there is movement from the government.",1058.94,1060.32,{"idx":916,"utterance_id":917,"speaker_name":105,"text":918,"start_s":919,"end_s":920,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},143,"66045","Definitely.",1060.36,1061.28,{"idx":922,"utterance_id":923,"speaker_name":105,"text":924,"start_s":925,"end_s":926,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},144,"66046","And they don't deny it.",1061.36,1062.3,{"idx":928,"utterance_id":929,"speaker_name":105,"text":930,"start_s":931,"end_s":932,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},145,"66047","They say this clearly.",1062.38,1065.06,{"idx":934,"utterance_id":935,"speaker_name":105,"text":936,"start_s":937,"end_s":938,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},146,"66048","Clearly, on any occasion, they say this clearly.",1065.16,1068.24,{"idx":940,"utterance_id":941,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":942,"start_s":943,"end_s":944,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},147,"66049","It's not even behind-the-scenes talk.",1068.28,1069.74,{"idx":946,"utterance_id":947,"speaker_name":105,"text":948,"start_s":949,"end_s":950,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},148,"66050","No, it's not behind-the-scenes talk.",1069.82,1071.16,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":105,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},"66051","There are studies being conducted.",1071.22,1073.1,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":105,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},150,"66052","There are already certain activities that these banks carry out which they are... either eliminating or transferring to the private sector.",1073.22,1083.18,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":105,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},151,"66053","I have no doubt that this is part of this government's objectives in the economic sphere.",1083.54,1089.32,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":247,"indexable":75},152,"66054","Now, I have been observing, from my point of view, the Lula government — Lula specifically — he himself made the decision, but I think there were two very important moves to shield.",1089.72,1107.12,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},153,"66055","the Brazilian economy from greater turbulence.",1107.66,1110.72,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":340,"indexable":75},154,"66056","I think we resisted in 2008 largely because of this, and I attribute the 2015-2016 crisis more to the political crisis and the sabotage that was carried out against the Dilma government than to any mistakes she may have made in her first term.",1111.48,1129.12,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},155,"66057","I am referring specifically to the accumulation of foreign exchange reserves.",1130.66,1135,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":174,"indexable":75},156,"66058","Lula left with almost $300 billion; 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What Petrobras did with certain initiatives was extremely important and is now completely dismantled.",1244.46,1261.34,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":105,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":174,"indexable":75},171,"66073","For example, when Lula decided that Transpetro should buy ships in Brazil, the shipbuilding industry flourished.",1261.46,1271.04,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":105,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},172,"66074","It flourished and soon developed technology that would put Brazil in a position to compete with any shipyard in the world.",1271.94,1283.6,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":105,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},173,"66075","I'll point to Pernambuco.",1283.66,1284.92,{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":105,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},174,"66076","Pernambuco had two shipyards; it came to have 12,000.",1285.16,1288.58,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":105,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},175,"66077","workers in those shipyards with the main orders for Transpetro.",1289,1296.12,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":105,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},176,"66078","Today, the two shipyards are practically closed.",1296.3,1299.72,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":105,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},177,"66079","One has 150, the other has 200 workers.",1299.8,1304.18,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":105,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},"66080","In Pernambuco, the refinery generated nearly 25,000 jobs.",1304.6,1309.62,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":105,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},179,"66081","It was not completed.",1310.68,1312.92,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":105,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},180,"66082","They are in a process of privatizing these companies.",1315.18,1319.74,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":105,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},181,"66083","There we also had the start of a petrochemical industry, and all those investments brought others.",1320.2,1330.1,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":105,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":298,"indexable":75},182,"66084","I think the worst thing of all that we're experiencing at the moment is the renunciation of that role and the treatment of relevant companies like Petrobras itself simply as... a private company like any other.",1330.84,1347.4,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":105,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},183,"66085","So the options do not take into account Brazil's interest, but the interest of the shareholders.",1347.9,1355.34,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":105,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},184,"66086","And that's why we lose an important instrument that could be used to promote development.",1356.36,1364.2,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":105,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},185,"66087","Even the resources they are obtaining from this burning of companies or from the pre-salt, they are not investing in anything.",1364.62,1373.46,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":105,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},186,"66088","It's to pay the debt, to promote fiscal balance, to reduce the public deficit.",1373.9,1379.36,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":105,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},187,"66089","So it's very worrying for us because... Despite all this talk that foreign investors are coming, that hasn't happened so far.",1379.76,1389.6,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":105,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},188,"66090","Even with all these reforms they made to cheapen labor, to reduce the social cost for companies, all of that did not result in what they were saying would happen.",1389.72,1404.64,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":105,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},189,"66091","And a big concern of ours with privatization — President Lula himself talks a lot about this — is that they are eliminating instruments that later could be used to reverse this situation.",1406.04,1421.12,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1196,"speaker_name":105,"text":1197,"start_s":1198,"end_s":1199,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},"66092","As levers, right?",1421.62,1422.5,{"idx":1201,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":105,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},191,"66093","Exactly.",1422.7,1423.36,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},192,"66094","Humberto, the progressive parties, speaking of the classics, PT, PSOL, PCdoB, PDT, PSB — are these parties aligned?",1424.32,1432.94,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},193,"66095","Do they share values and purposes around a progressive agenda?",1434.56,1439.52,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":105,"text":1221,"start_s":1222,"end_s":1223,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},194,"66096","Yes, in fact that was a good finding, because, at first, there was a certain attempt to isolate the PT.",1440.66,1451.04,{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":105,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},195,"66097","The PDT, mainly based on Ciro Gomes' positions, sought to develop an articulation with... PSB, PCdoB, which tried to exclude the PT from the formation of blocs and from participation in leadership roles.",1452.46,1470.6,{"idx":1231,"utterance_id":1232,"speaker_name":105,"text":1233,"start_s":1234,"end_s":1235,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},196,"66098","I'm talking about the National Congress, right?",1471.32,1474.86,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1237,"speaker_name":105,"text":1238,"start_s":1239,"end_s":1240,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},"66099","But in practice this ended up leading us to act in a coordinated way.",1475.66,1484.7,{"idx":1242,"utterance_id":1243,"speaker_name":105,"text":1244,"start_s":1245,"end_s":1246,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},198,"66100","Both in the Chamber of Deputies and in the Senate.",1485.32,1486.94,{"idx":1248,"utterance_id":1249,"speaker_name":105,"text":1250,"start_s":1251,"end_s":1252,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},199,"66101","In the Senate, that attempt at isolation still worked.",1487,1490.16,{"idx":1254,"utterance_id":1255,"speaker_name":105,"text":1256,"start_s":1257,"end_s":1258,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},200,"66102","Today, for example, the minority bloc, which is formally the opposition, is larger than our bloc and we are not part of that bloc.",1490.76,1501.4,{"idx":1260,"utterance_id":1261,"speaker_name":105,"text":1262,"start_s":1263,"end_s":1264,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},201,"66103","But, in practice, we have worked together on almost all issues.",1502.34,1507.56,{"idx":1266,"utterance_id":1267,"speaker_name":105,"text":1268,"start_s":1269,"end_s":1270,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},202,"66104","That is to say, practice has forced us to build unity.",1507.62,1513.82,{"idx":1272,"utterance_id":1273,"speaker_name":105,"text":1274,"start_s":1275,"end_s":1276,"word_count":49,"indexable":75},203,"66105","And this construction of unity in practice is causing us to open other dialogues that go beyond parliamentary struggle.",1514.32,1523.82,{"idx":1278,"utterance_id":1279,"speaker_name":105,"text":1280,"start_s":1281,"end_s":1282,"word_count":148,"indexable":75},204,"66106","Also from the point of view of social struggle... This has materialized too.",1524.4,1530.82,{"idx":1284,"utterance_id":1285,"speaker_name":105,"text":1286,"start_s":1287,"end_s":1288,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},205,"66107","And I think we are on a good path.",1531.38,1534.8,{"idx":1290,"utterance_id":1291,"speaker_name":105,"text":1292,"start_s":1293,"end_s":1294,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},206,"66108","That's why I have some concern.",1535.34,1537.78,{"idx":1296,"utterance_id":1297,"speaker_name":105,"text":1298,"start_s":1299,"end_s":1300,"word_count":192,"indexable":75},207,"66109","when, faced, for example, with an election like next year's, the PT might assume a certain position.",1538.48,1547.72,{"idx":1302,"utterance_id":1303,"speaker_name":105,"text":1304,"start_s":1305,"end_s":1306,"word_count":174,"indexable":75},208,"66110","hegemonistic, a position of... Of course, it needs to assert itself, especially in the moment we are living.",1548.36,1555.08,{"idx":1308,"utterance_id":1309,"speaker_name":105,"text":1310,"start_s":1311,"end_s":1312,"word_count":316,"indexable":75},209,"66111","But we are building something that can be a long-term construction, so that we don't need to go through so many difficulties in terms of forming a political bloc for the 2022 Alliance, as we went through in 2018.",1555.56,1569.62,{"idx":1314,"utterance_id":1315,"speaker_name":105,"text":1316,"start_s":1317,"end_s":1318,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},210,"66112","So I think we are on a good path.",1570.8,1573.02,{"idx":1320,"utterance_id":1321,"speaker_name":105,"text":1322,"start_s":1323,"end_s":1324,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},211,"66113","I don't think we should break that.",1573.06,1575.48,{"idx":1326,"utterance_id":1327,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1328,"start_s":1329,"end_s":1330,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},212,"66114","Do you see 2020 as a step in a process of building a more consolidated progressive camp in Brazil?",1576.7,1587.74,{"idx":1332,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":105,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},213,"66115","I do.",1587.84,1588.18,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":105,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":310,"indexable":75},214,"66116","Either because of the polarization that benefits the government itself and the extreme right, or because there is a real polarization in society today, or because the conditions in which the population is living are very severe.",1588.72,1607.36,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":105,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},215,"66117","I tend to think that next year's election will have a strong national focus.",1608.04,1612.98,{"idx":1350,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":105,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},216,"66118","I don't know if it will be plebiscitary in nature, but at least the national discussion will be present.",1613.72,1621.14,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":105,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},217,"66119","It's permeated, isn't it?",1621.26,1622.5,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":105,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},218,"66120","Even if they manage to, as they're saying, I see predictions one way or another, some kind of... because they will also try to use that in the debate.",1623.52,1635.32,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":105,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":230,"indexable":75},219,"66121","We will show that even if there is that growth, it is occurring, if it comes to occur, with inequality, with a deepening of poverty, with misery.",1636.06,1645.2,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":105,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},220,"66122","So I think it tends to that.",1645.56,1647.7,{"idx":1380,"utterance_id":1381,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1382,"start_s":1383,"end_s":1384,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},221,"66123","It's probably low growth with high concentration.",1647.74,1651.54,{"idx":1386,"utterance_id":1387,"speaker_name":105,"text":1203,"start_s":1388,"end_s":1389,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},222,"66124",1651.7,1652.36,{"idx":1391,"utterance_id":1392,"speaker_name":105,"text":1393,"start_s":1394,"end_s":1395,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},223,"66125","That's what's on the horizon.",1652.56,1653.96,{"idx":1397,"utterance_id":1398,"speaker_name":105,"text":1203,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},224,"66126",1654.04,1654.7,{"idx":1402,"utterance_id":1403,"speaker_name":105,"text":1404,"start_s":1405,"end_s":1406,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},225,"66127","So, look, what is going to happen?",1655.06,1659,{"idx":1408,"utterance_id":1409,"speaker_name":105,"text":1410,"start_s":1411,"end_s":1412,"word_count":134,"indexable":75},226,"66128","I believe we will have a 2020 election similar to 2016, where we were in that pole more on the negative side.",1659.76,1671.44,{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":105,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":328,"indexable":75},227,"66129","The year 2000, which was... a kind of preview of what would happen in 2002 and other moments in Brazil when municipal elections also served as an opportunity for the population to express dissatisfaction with what was going on in Brazilian politics.",1672.28,1694.78,{"idx":1420,"utterance_id":1421,"speaker_name":105,"text":1422,"start_s":1423,"end_s":1424,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},228,"66130","And I also believe, although I... There remains a view that this government is so unstable that I'm not sure it will make it to the end, but it is still politically strong.",1695.46,1714.9,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1426,"speaker_name":105,"text":1427,"start_s":1428,"end_s":1429,"word_count":230,"indexable":75},"66131","So, I have the impression that our strategy for next year should be a strategy that sets as its objective the defeat of the far-right in the election.",1714.96,1725.54,{"idx":1431,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":105,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":230,"indexable":75},230,"66132","For that, we have to come together... I'm not saying in every place, nor that this necessarily translates into an alliance, an electoral coalition, but we should have a common objective.",1726.28,1740.88,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":105,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},231,"66133","PT, PSOL, PCdoB, PDT, PSB, even Cidadania, which at times has aligned with us.",1741.42,1754.2,{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":105,"text":1445,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1447,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},232,"66134","We could sit down...",1754.62,1755.74,{"idx":1449,"utterance_id":1450,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1451,"start_s":1452,"end_s":1453,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},233,"66135","The Senate, where there are several senators from Rede.",1755.78,1758.14,{"idx":1455,"utterance_id":1456,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1457,"start_s":1458,"end_s":1459,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},234,"66136","Has there been alignment?",1758.86,1761.1,{"idx":1461,"utterance_id":1462,"speaker_name":105,"text":1463,"start_s":1464,"end_s":1465,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},235,"66137","Yes, at some important moments.",1761.14,1763.04,{"idx":1467,"utterance_id":1468,"speaker_name":105,"text":1469,"start_s":1470,"end_s":1471,"word_count":91,"indexable":75},236,"66138","In others, no.",1763.2,1763.84,{"idx":1473,"utterance_id":1474,"speaker_name":105,"text":1475,"start_s":1476,"end_s":1477,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},237,"66139","But there has also been.",1763.94,1765.3,{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":105,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},238,"66140","So, what happens?",1765.94,1767,{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":105,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},239,"66141","In a situation like this, I advocate the idea of establishing a kind of forum with these parties.",1767.22,1772.62,{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":105,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},240,"66142","To establish a common strategy.",1773.16,1774.76,{"idx":1497,"utterance_id":1498,"speaker_name":105,"text":1499,"start_s":1500,"end_s":1501,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},241,"66143","What is the common strategy?",1774.86,1775.8,{"idx":1503,"utterance_id":1504,"speaker_name":105,"text":1505,"start_s":1506,"end_s":1507,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},242,"66144","To defeat Bolsonarism and the far-right.",1775.88,1779.1,{"idx":1509,"utterance_id":1510,"speaker_name":105,"text":1511,"start_s":1512,"end_s":1513,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},243,"66145","Can this be translated into coalitions — where?",1779.66,1782.98,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1515,"speaker_name":105,"text":1516,"start_s":1517,"end_s":1518,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},"66146","Here it's possible, here it isn't. But we'll use the same message.",1783.22,1786.44,{"idx":1520,"utterance_id":1521,"speaker_name":105,"text":1522,"start_s":1523,"end_s":1524,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},245,"66147","Of course, we'll address local issues — you can't run a municipal campaign the same everywhere — but we will all share the same message nationally.",1787.18,1795.28,{"idx":1526,"utterance_id":1527,"speaker_name":105,"text":1528,"start_s":1529,"end_s":1530,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},246,"66148","This creates an environment that facilitates, in my opinion, greater unity later on.",1795.9,1800.64,{"idx":1532,"utterance_id":1533,"speaker_name":105,"text":1534,"start_s":1535,"end_s":1536,"word_count":49,"indexable":75},247,"66149","Now, I will not be able to... translate this unity into concrete action later on if I ignore that there are different interests among these parties as well.",1801.18,1812.58,{"idx":1538,"utterance_id":1539,"speaker_name":105,"text":1540,"start_s":1541,"end_s":1542,"word_count":192,"indexable":75},248,"66150","I don't want to give any concrete example, because it's very easy to talk about alliances in someone else's backyard.",1812.64,1818.42,{"idx":1544,"utterance_id":1545,"speaker_name":105,"text":1546,"start_s":1547,"end_s":1548,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},249,"66151","But of course there are places where the most advanced option isn't necessarily the PT.",1819.3,1826.38,{"idx":1550,"utterance_id":1551,"speaker_name":105,"text":1552,"start_s":1553,"end_s":1554,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},250,"66152","And why do we have to do that, do you understand?",1827.08,1829.82,{"idx":1556,"utterance_id":1557,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1558,"start_s":1559,"end_s":1560,"word_count":103,"indexable":75},251,"66153","That's my opinion.",1830.34,1832.4,{"idx":1562,"utterance_id":1563,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1564,"start_s":1565,"end_s":1566,"word_count":340,"indexable":75},252,"66154","Humberto, I don't know if I'm impressed because I'm alive, but, in my opinion, the mood changed a bit, at least a little in Brazil, with President Lula's re-emergence and the two visits he has already made to Salvador and Recife.",1833.98,1854,{"idx":1568,"utterance_id":1569,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1570,"start_s":1571,"end_s":1572,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},253,"66155","You were with us in Recife; you're from there.",1854.04,1856.88,{"idx":1574,"utterance_id":1575,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1576,"start_s":1577,"end_s":1578,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},254,"66156","How much is Lula among us... engaging in debate, making proposals.",1858.72,1864.38,{"idx":1580,"utterance_id":1581,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1582,"start_s":1583,"end_s":1584,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},255,"66157","How much can this help this camp?",1866.34,1870.1,{"idx":1586,"utterance_id":1587,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1588,"start_s":1589,"end_s":1590,"word_count":192,"indexable":75},256,"66158","How much do you think this will change the popular imagination — the prospect, the renewed hope for better days?",1870.34,1878.62,{"idx":1592,"utterance_id":1593,"speaker_name":105,"text":1594,"start_s":1595,"end_s":1596,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},257,"66159","I think it changes things a lot.",1879.26,1880.44,{"idx":1598,"utterance_id":1599,"speaker_name":105,"text":1600,"start_s":1601,"end_s":1602,"word_count":316,"indexable":75},258,"66160","For us in the opposition, in fact, it's a very important boost, because, of course, we are defending these positions, we are fighting there in the National Congress, but we have had great difficulty reaching people, translating to them what is happening.",1880.72,1900.22,{"idx":1604,"utterance_id":1605,"speaker_name":105,"text":1606,"start_s":1607,"end_s":1608,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},259,"66161","Topics like, for example, national sovereignty, are somewhat abstract for people to grasp.",1900.94,1909.86,{"idx":1610,"utterance_id":1611,"speaker_name":105,"text":1612,"start_s":1613,"end_s":1614,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},260,"66162","And Lula has an unmatched ability to engage with ordinary citizens.",1910.6,1917.02,{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":105,"text":1618,"start_s":1619,"end_s":1620,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},261,"66163","That alone is a major boost.",1917.82,1920.3,{"idx":1622,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":105,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},262,"66164","Furthermore, he has the ability to 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