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the country with an important interview.",0.06,11.32,30,false,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":16,"speaker_name":8,"text":17,"start_s":18,"end_s":19,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1,"19770","We're going to speak with the governor of Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema, of Partido Novo, one of the governors who most... acted last week in support of the governor of Rio de Janeiro, Cláudio Castro.",11.4,22.52,34,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":23,"speaker_name":8,"text":24,"start_s":25,"end_s":26,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},2,"19771","Governor, good afternoon.",23.14,24.28,3,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":29,"speaker_name":8,"text":30,"start_s":31,"end_s":32,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},"19772","It's a pleasure to have you here on CNN 360.",24.68,27.56,7,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":36,"speaker_name":8,"text":37,"start_s":38,"end_s":39,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},4,"19773","You announced the creation of what you called the Consórcio da Paz, which brings together... essentially, by political-ideological alignment, governors who oppose the federal government, governors linked to the right.",27.9,41.28,32,{"idx":42,"utterance_id":43,"speaker_name":8,"text":44,"start_s":45,"end_s":46,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},5,"19774","Since the announcement of this consortium, this group of governments, on Thursday until today, what concrete progress has been made?",42.56,51.68,21,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":50,"speaker_name":8,"text":51,"start_s":52,"end_s":53,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},6,"19775","Is there already any concrete action by these state governments in support of the Rio de Janeiro authorities in confronting organized crime?",52.06,61.52,23,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":56,"speaker_name":57,"speaker_slug":58,"text":59,"start_s":60,"end_s":61,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},"19776","Romeu Zema","romeu-zema","Good afternoon, Yuri.",64.48,65.56,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":64,"speaker_name":57,"speaker_slug":58,"text":65,"start_s":66,"end_s":67,"word_count":68,"indexable":13},8,"19777","Good 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on.",134.38,139.2,{"idx":108,"utterance_id":109,"speaker_name":57,"speaker_slug":58,"text":110,"start_s":111,"end_s":112,"word_count":113,"indexable":13},15,"19784","And we made it very clear to Governor Cláudio that if he needs any reinforcement, and if he faces, once again, what is likely and, unfortunately, a refusal from the federal government, we, the States, are available, within what we can, to send some reinforcement equipment, to send a reinforcement contingent to carry out operations to combat organized crime, which is the greatest cancer Brazil has today.",139.82,174.76,73,{"idx":115,"utterance_id":116,"speaker_name":8,"text":24,"start_s":117,"end_s":118,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},16,"19785",176.82,178.4,{"idx":120,"utterance_id":121,"speaker_name":8,"text":122,"start_s":123,"end_s":124,"word_count":63,"indexable":13},17,"19786","Débora speaking to you here from 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the operation of October 28.",249.14,256.4,{"idx":166,"utterance_id":167,"speaker_name":57,"speaker_slug":58,"text":168,"start_s":169,"end_s":170,"word_count":68,"indexable":13},25,"19794","And yesterday, the day before yesterday, a survey was conducted.",257.06,260.88,{"idx":172,"utterance_id":173,"speaker_name":57,"speaker_slug":58,"text":174,"start_s":175,"end_s":176,"word_count":149,"indexable":13},26,"19795","The greatest approval, Débora, among those who followed this operation, comes from those who live there, in the midst of this terror, this extortion.",261.36,272.88,{"idx":178,"utterance_id":179,"speaker_name":57,"speaker_slug":58,"text":180,"start_s":181,"end_s":182,"word_count":149,"indexable":13},27,"19796","Those who live in those communities, Débora, today... pay more for electricity, for water, for the internet, for app usage, for 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