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look at certain sectors of any industry that are truly cutting-edge—you can talk about the aerospace industry, you can talk about Formula 1 now, which is like the very top of the automotive industry, let's put it that way.",1153.06,1166.4,"1e1991ac-6392-42e2-97e7-432e831d69d1","strengthen Brazilian industry","describes high-end sectors like aerospace and automotive without proposing policy.",{"idx":1094,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":33,"topic_slug":384,"topic_label":385,"target_id":1099,"target_proposition":1100,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":417,"rationale":1101,"indexable":13},171,"84651","We notice our deficiencies and how ridiculous we look when we decide not to compete in certain markets and accept things as they are.",1167.48,1175.08,"2775f5bf-d0d9-4a08-b03f-92c7fdbc311d","compete in high-tech markets internationally","criticizes accepting not competing in markets, describing the current 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we can't even begin to design an engine for a rocket.",1184.7,1188.04,"tecnologia-de-foguetes-e-starship","Rocket Technology & Starship","51e71c29-2c01-45cc-aaba-ab52042932cb","develop national capability to design rocket engines","states inability to design engines — account of technical limitation.",{"idx":1132,"utterance_id":1133,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1134,"start_s":1135,"end_s":1136,"word_count":54,"topic_slug":1126,"topic_label":1127,"target_id":1128,"target_proposition":1129,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":417,"rationale":1137,"indexable":13},176,"84656","We can't go down that line.",1188.08,1190.38,"reaffirms that 'não conseguimos ir nessa linha' — description of 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right?",1229.1,1230.06,{"idx":1197,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":52,"topic_slug":1202,"topic_label":1203,"target_id":1204,"target_proposition":1205,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":1045,"rationale":1206,"indexable":13},186,"84666","We were looking at the recent corruption scandals in Brazil.",1230.12,1232.38,"combate-a-impunidade","Combating Impunity","6dddfcaf-08ed-401c-9d89-7665aab003d0","combat corruption and money laundering","mentions recent scandals as fact, without proposing a specific measure.",{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},187,"84667","The guy from Banco Master could buy two or three Formula 1 teams.",1232.84,1237.46,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":8,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},188,"84668","Someone like Borcaro could let us run 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The problem isn't the money.",1244.58,1247.8,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":8,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},191,"84671","Brazil has money, right?",1248.52,1249.72,{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":8,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},192,"84672","Brazil... for better or worse, this economy is very strong.",1249.78,1254.06,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":8,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":118,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1251,"target_proposition":1252,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":417,"rationale":1253,"indexable":13},193,"84673","The problem is how this capital is used, how the incentives exist, how you channel those incentives.",1254.34,1261,"politica-monetaria","Monetary Policy","8cc3b20a-0aa1-458f-91c1-3cce5c99105a","reorient economic policy to stimulate productive investment and reduce financialization","attributes the problem to the use and incentives of capital without detailing a solution.",{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":8,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},194,"84674","Brazil has capital.",1261.28,1262.26,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":8,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},195,"84675","You're talking about the aerospace industry.",1262.38,1263.82,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":8,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":235,"topic_slug":1272,"topic_label":1273,"target_id":1274,"target_proposition":1275,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":552,"rationale":1276,"indexable":391},196,"84676","What I think you could even put in the government program—which I think is the same story, what's happening now, which is very interesting—is the following.",1264.24,1273.92,"politica-de-tecnologia-e-inclusao-digital","Technology and Digital Inclusion","ad22272f-f92b-45bc-aaae-e36c72ae2a73","include a technological development agenda in the government program","suggests explicitly to 'colocar no programa de governo' the technological agenda.",{"idx":1278,"utterance_id":1279,"speaker_name":8,"text":1280,"start_s":1281,"end_s":1282,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},197,"84677","In the same way that, for example, Africa never had landlines.",1274.32,1279.18,{"idx":1284,"utterance_id":1285,"speaker_name":8,"text":1286,"start_s":1287,"end_s":1288,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},198,"84678","They went straight from having no phones to mobile phones.",1279.6,1282.54,{"idx":1290,"utterance_id":1291,"speaker_name":8,"text":1292,"start_s":1293,"end_s":1294,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},199,"84679","The famous leapfrog.",1283.96,1284.92,{"idx":1296,"utterance_id":1297,"speaker_name":8,"text":1298,"start_s":1299,"end_s":1300,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},200,"84680","What's happening now—you mentioned rocket engines.",1285.6,1288.62,{"idx":1302,"utterance_id":1303,"speaker_name":8,"text":1304,"start_s":1305,"end_s":1306,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},201,"84681","I had a meeting last week with a company called Leap71.",1289.26,1293.24,{"idx":1308,"utterance_id":1309,"speaker_name":8,"text":1310,"start_s":1311,"end_s":1312,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},202,"84682","It's a company based in Dubai that's developing a rocket engine 100% designed by AI.",1293.6,1299.42,{"idx":1314,"utterance_id":1315,"speaker_name":8,"text":1316,"start_s":1317,"end_s":1318,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},203,"84683","There isn't a single engineer doing any designs.",1299.84,1302.3,{"idx":1320,"utterance_id":1321,"speaker_name":8,"text":1322,"start_s":1323,"end_s":1324,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},204,"84684","They do the following: they put into their algorithm the specifications they need for the engine, the shape, the basic laws of physics for each component, and let the system design itself.",1304.72,1322.28,{"idx":1326,"utterance_id":1327,"speaker_name":8,"text":1328,"start_s":1329,"end_s":1330,"word_count":420,"indexable":13},205,"84685","And after millions and millions of iterations, the system designs the ideal project for that engine, which is then 3D printed directly, because some types of designs you can't make with a lathe or any other kind of... You can only make them with additive manufacturing, with 3D printing, which is already at a level that withstands the necessary pressure and temperature for the engine.",1322.32,1347.26,{"idx":1332,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":8,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},206,"84686","And they made the engine and the engine worked.",1347.68,1349.32,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":8,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":87,"indexable":13},207,"84687","They even made two types: they made the manual engine and they made the aerospike.",1349.54,1352.32,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":8,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},208,"84688","And the guys are making that leap.",1352.84,1354.9,{"idx":1350,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":8,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},209,"84689","You no longer need to... Maybe we don't even have the know-how or the component, but we'll be able to print, to have the material, including one of the materials most used to make rockets.",1354.94,1367.8,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":8,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},210,"84690","It's niobium, which exists in Brazil, right?",1368.2,1369.9,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":8,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":153,"indexable":13},211,"84691","The alloy—the niobium added to the Iconel alloy, precisely because of its high-temperature resistance, both in turbines and in rockets.",1370.22,1377.86,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":8,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},212,"84692","We have the critical materials, the so-called rare earths, which often aren't rare; we have those in Brazil.",1378.16,1384.38,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":8,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":472,"topic_slug":1126,"topic_label":1127,"target_id":1379,"target_proposition":1380,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":552,"rationale":1381,"indexable":391},213,"84693","So this ability to make that leapfrog—without needing to do the engineering part now, having AI design the engine, and having the best place in the world to launch rockets, which is the Alcântara base—suddenly it's a process in which we can make that clever leap and revive the national industry by making that jump in some areas.",1384.74,1408.78,"7b789cd5-abd5-4443-b544-92675280e016","develop a national aerospace industry leveraging the Alcântara base","proposes using Alcântara and technological leapfrogging to revive the aerospace sector.",{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":8,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":47,"topic_slug":1272,"topic_label":1273,"target_id":1388,"target_proposition":1389,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":499,"rationale":1390,"indexable":13},214,"84694","AI will help a lot with that.",1409.1,1410.56,"1c56707e-1ff4-4440-9682-5f07db67c463","promote the use of artificial intelligence in advanced industry","states 'o AI vai ajudar muito nisso' as a means of development.",{"idx":1392,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":8,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":85,"indexable":13},215,"84695","I think this ability... There will be a huge distribution of knowledge with AI, enabling you to use it and enter areas you previously couldn't enter.",1410.68,1423.68,{"idx":1398,"utterance_id":1399,"speaker_name":8,"text":1400,"start_s":1401,"end_s":1402,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},216,"84696","And in Formula 1 exactly that is happening.",1426.18,1427.92,{"idx":1404,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":8,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},217,"84697","We are now in the process of implementing AI for decision-making.",1427.96,1432.02,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":8,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":1415,"topic_label":1416,"target_id":1417,"target_proposition":1418,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":389,"rationale":1419,"indexable":391},218,"84698","So even some engineers from Formula 1 and Formula E—in my case, where we're implementing this—we're seeing how not only to improve, but to implement these agents, AI, to make decisions for the car on track.",1432.52,1446.28,"politica-industrial-e-tributaria","Industrial and Tax Policy","061c08f6-b849-4bda-9864-8e7b4c5b4cec","implement artificial intelligence for decision-making in automotive engineering","claims that 'no meu caso... a gente está implementando' AI in Fórmula E.",{"idx":1421,"utterance_id":1422,"speaker_name":8,"text":1423,"start_s":1424,"end_s":1425,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},219,"84699","It's changing drastically and month by month.",1446.68,1448.76,{"idx":1427,"utterance_id":1428,"speaker_name":8,"text":1429,"start_s":1430,"end_s":1431,"word_count":128,"indexable":13},220,"84700","So we, as Brazil, are very far behind this, but I think it would be possible to use this technology for many things.",1449.36,1456.12,{"idx":226,"utterance_id":1433,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1434,"start_s":1435,"end_s":1436,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},"84701","So what you brought up is very encouraging.",1457.48,1460.2,{"idx":1438,"utterance_id":1439,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1440,"start_s":1441,"end_s":1442,"word_count":561,"topic_slug":1272,"topic_label":1273,"target_id":1443,"target_proposition":1444,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":499,"rationale":1445,"indexable":391},222,"84702","What São Fundo is trying to say is this: if we're at the top, or at the knowledge frontier, for example in these AI areas—the generative AI people talk about now, that self-constructs—and you take that to fine engineering in various areas, the lag we face—oh, we're 30 years behind, we're 20 years behind—it simply... You target the gap, you simply remove the gap, and then it comes down to a political and national decision.",1460.62,1487.94,"5efa19f8-3c42-405c-a45f-5722d41a21fd","adopt national policies to promote leadership in artificial intelligence and advanced engineering","says removing the gap is 'decisão política', advocating pro-AI policies.",{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":279,"topic_slug":1452,"topic_label":1453,"target_id":1454,"target_proposition":1455,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":1456,"rationale":1457,"indexable":391},223,"84703","Because there's a point, and here I enter: the drama you were mentioning about making bicycles, there's Victor Espanha's drama to make spraying drones, so we have—we desperately need a competitiveness agenda.",1487.98,1499.44,"ambiente-de-negocios","Business Environment","01f96815-162d-4dd2-9285-3187f1f2af71","adopt an economic competitiveness agenda",0.95,"states 'a gente precisa desesperadamente uma agenda de competitividade'.",{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":314,"topic_slug":1452,"topic_label":1453,"target_id":1464,"target_proposition":1465,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":499,"rationale":1466,"indexable":391},224,"84704","that hiring and firing someone in Brazil is hell, opening and closing a company in Brazil is hell, raising funds is hell, taxation on capital is infernal, protectionist laws for various materials—let's say various products—are unbearable.",1500.04,1515.94,"b250f8df-04a0-4211-9bc1-14a0b1ec37d4","simplify company formation and closure and facilitate capital raising","cites difficulties in opening\u002Fclosing a company and raising funds.",{"idx":1468,"utterance_id":1469,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1470,"start_s":1471,"end_s":1472,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":1473,"topic_label":1474,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":1477,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":1478,"indexable":391},225,"84705","The existence of the Manaus Free Trade Zone is one of the most backward things that can exist.",1516.02,1519.36,"regimes-especiais-zona-franca-de-manaus","Special Regimes\u002FManaus FTZ","a95419ab-3ba3-412f-b56a-5ad584726179","maintain incentives and tax benefits of the Manaus Free Trade Zone","contra","declares the existence of the ZFM 'retardada' — explicit opposition to the regime.",{"idx":1480,"utterance_id":1481,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1482,"start_s":1483,"end_s":1484,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":1485,"topic_label":1486,"target_id":1487,"target_proposition":1488,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":1489,"indexable":391},226,"84706","So when we take this, if we don't have a true competitiveness agenda combined with what we talk about regarding a good fiscal agenda—because money in Brazil is very expensive—we simply won't be able to do these things.",1520.18,1531.28,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Fiscal and Social Policy","20bd79a4-5e55-4356-bcf4-c8c21270a197","implement a fiscal agenda that reduces the cost of capital and supports competitiveness","Argues that without a good fiscal agenda (expensive credit) progress won't happen.",{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},227,"84707","Because you were describing something to me, I was even going to ask you a question, right?",1531.64,1534.5,{"idx":1497,"utterance_id":1498,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1499,"start_s":1500,"end_s":1501,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},228,"84708","The Silicon Valley of motorsport is over there in England, right?",1535.14,1537.88,{"idx":1503,"utterance_id":1504,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1505,"start_s":1506,"end_s":1507,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},229,"84709","Almost all the professionals... Even for a French team it's kind of difficult.",1538.34,1543.5,{"idx":1509,"utterance_id":1510,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1511,"start_s":1512,"end_s":1513,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},230,"84710","It's always been difficult for the French to have a team outside there, to have a team on the continent.",1543.56,1546.88,{"idx":1515,"utterance_id":1516,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1517,"start_s":1518,"end_s":1519,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},231,"84711","Even the Germans have had difficulties.",1546.94,1548.64,{"idx":1521,"utterance_id":1522,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1523,"start_s":1524,"end_s":1525,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},232,"84712","Only Ferrari, which is an island there, let's say, far from the English island, but it... I think with a lot of money it makes up for being competitive there, but... The question I wanted to leave about that.",1548.96,1562.02,{"idx":1527,"utterance_id":1528,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1529,"start_s":1530,"end_s":1531,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},233,"84713","In an area like motorsport, this acceleration given by artificial intelligence and by these new technologies that are coming.",1562.34,1572.2,{"idx":1533,"utterance_id":1534,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1535,"start_s":1536,"end_s":1537,"word_count":328,"indexable":13},234,"84714","Would they allow the Brazilian entrepreneur, within a different national project — say, let's put Lucas de Grasse and he says, no, I'm going to gather the productive forces here, I'm going to set up de Grasse Racing, I'll talk to Embraer here, I'll talk to that other one there, I've raised the capital.",1572.6,1587.48,{"idx":1539,"utterance_id":1540,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1541,"start_s":1542,"end_s":1543,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},235,"84715","Is it possible, with a medium- to long-term project, to close that gap?",1588.02,1592.1,{"idx":1545,"utterance_id":1546,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1547,"start_s":1548,"end_s":1549,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},236,"84716","That's my question.",1592.8,1593.5,{"idx":1551,"utterance_id":1552,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1553,"start_s":1554,"end_s":1555,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},237,"84717","Is it possible, using intelligence, that we break through?",1593.6,1596.06,{"idx":1557,"utterance_id":1558,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1559,"start_s":1560,"end_s":1561,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},238,"84718","Even if it has to be that way, there is a team over in England, Copersucker even was in England, it started in Brazil, it went to England.",1596.24,1601.42,{"idx":1563,"utterance_id":1564,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1565,"start_s":1566,"end_s":1567,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},239,"84719","It still had a base here, but it went over there.",1601.96,1603.74,{"idx":1569,"utterance_id":1570,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1571,"start_s":1572,"end_s":1573,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},240,"84720","Like, have a base in England, another in Brazil, develop technology here and there, then launch a high-performance road car here in Brazil because the branding took off and whatever.",1604.1,1613.34,{"idx":1575,"utterance_id":1576,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1577,"start_s":1578,"end_s":1579,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},241,"84721","Is it possible to build a path along those lines?",1613.9,1616.1,{"idx":1581,"utterance_id":1582,"speaker_name":8,"text":1583,"start_s":1584,"end_s":1585,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},242,"84722","Yes, it's possible.",1618.22,1619.2,{"idx":1587,"utterance_id":1588,"speaker_name":8,"text":1589,"start_s":1590,"end_s":1591,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},243,"84723","I really believe in that.",1619.24,1620.48,{"idx":1593,"utterance_id":1594,"speaker_name":8,"text":1595,"start_s":1596,"end_s":1597,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":1598,"topic_label":1599,"target_id":1600,"target_proposition":1601,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":1602,"indexable":391},244,"84724","I think Brazil, if you build a framework of laws and rules that incentivize industry, that encourage you... to bring that capital and intellectual capital to Brazil, has gigantic potential.",1620.86,1636.26,"politica-regulatoria","Regulatory Policy","d4cda52a-d503-4e2b-80d4-4611fb9ab5e1","create a regulatory framework that incentivizes industry and attracts intellectual capital","Explicitly says 'construir um framework de leis e regras' to incentivize.",{"idx":1604,"utterance_id":1605,"speaker_name":8,"text":1606,"start_s":1607,"end_s":1608,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},245,"84725","I'll give you an example where there's a clear benefit.",1636.3,1638.64,{"idx":1610,"utterance_id":1611,"speaker_name":8,"text":1612,"start_s":1613,"end_s":1614,"word_count":285,"indexable":13},246,"84726","In Formula 1 you have a budget cap, which is the maximum you can spend; all teams can spend, say, 150 million per year on operations, excluding the drivers, excluding the team principal, but anyway, everyone can spend the same.",1639,1651.66,{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":8,"text":1618,"start_s":1619,"end_s":1620,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},247,"84727","A Swiss team, as with Audi, which is partly based there, has a penalty, because in Switzerland... anyone earns a lot of money.",1651.96,1660.14,{"idx":1622,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":8,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},248,"84728","A secretary earns twice what a secretary earns in Italy.",1660.22,1663.96,{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":8,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},249,"84729","And in Brazil, the secretary would earn ten times more.",1664.3,1666.68,{"idx":1634,"utterance_id":1635,"speaker_name":8,"text":1636,"start_s":1637,"end_s":1638,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},250,"84730","So you'd have a competitive advantage by having the team in Brazil.",1667.02,1670.34,{"idx":1640,"utterance_id":1641,"speaker_name":8,"text":1642,"start_s":1643,"end_s":1644,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},251,"84731","You would have good labor and very low costs.",1670.7,1674.56,{"idx":1646,"utterance_id":1647,"speaker_name":8,"text":1648,"start_s":1649,"end_s":1650,"word_count":118,"topic_slug":1485,"topic_label":1486,"target_id":1487,"target_proposition":1488,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":552,"rationale":1651,"indexable":391},252,"84732","If you had the fiscal side sorted, you'd have an incentive to have the team in Brazil.",1675.06,1681.06,"Says that with the fiscal side 'arrumada' there would be incentives to bring teams.",{"idx":1653,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":8,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":176,"indexable":13},253,"84733","Do all that operational part in Brazil and... reduce your capital budget so you can use it for other things, development, improving the car, and so on.",1681.44,1692.02,{"idx":1659,"utterance_id":1660,"speaker_name":8,"text":1661,"start_s":1662,"end_s":1663,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},254,"84734","So, without a doubt.",1692.42,1693.16,{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":8,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},255,"84735","And, again, using AI now, which is knowledge that's available and will become increasingly available, knowledge will become democratic, for anyone.",1693.84,1704.54,{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":8,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":285,"indexable":13},256,"84736","Nowadays, for example, if you want to make an app, I don't know... Python, I don't know C++, I don't know programming languages, but I go into my Google AI Studio, I type it in and I make an app.",1704.58,1717.02,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":8,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},257,"84737","I made an app last week for my tennis club here, I don't know.",1717.14,1722.2,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":8,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},258,"84738","So, the knowledge... Yeah, I did it to understand, to see how it works and it works really well.",1722.26,1730.98,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":8,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},259,"84739","It's not even a coding vibe, it's a prompting vibe.",1731.04,1732.84,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":8,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},260,"84740","You just need to write what you want, have a line of reasoning, and that's it.",1732.94,1736.22,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":8,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},261,"84741","So, like... This will happen with car design, it will happen with car simulation.",1737.04,1741.34,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":8,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},262,"84742","How cool.",1741.38,1742.32,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":8,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},263,"84743","Back in the day, how did you make a car's underfloor?",1743.6,1746,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":8,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},264,"84744","You'd take the car, do... the regulations say the underfloor has to be like this, and so on.",1746.58,1752.18,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":8,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":141,"indexable":13},265,"84745","You design the underfloor, put it in the CFD, which is the wind tunnel on the computer, and run it for days.",1752.22,1761.02,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":8,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},266,"84746","to read the flow, and the flow came out more or less.",1762.48,1764.96,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":8,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":87,"indexable":13},267,"84747","Then you go there and manually change the underfloor to another shape.",1765,1768,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":8,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},268,"84748","You run it again, a few more days, millions in computation, and then you get the flow.",1768.48,1773.28,{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":8,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},269,"84749","Today, that company I just mentioned that's using AI, you input the optimal airflow you want, and the computer and the AI design the underfloor to achieve that optimal flow.",1773.66,1789.6,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":8,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},270,"84750","It's the other way around.",1789.96,1790.7,{"idx":1761,"utterance_id":1762,"speaker_name":8,"text":1763,"start_s":1764,"end_s":1765,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},271,"84751","You input the specification you want and the computer designs it.",1791.28,1796.24,{"idx":1767,"utterance_id":1768,"speaker_name":8,"text":1769,"start_s":1770,"end_s":1771,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},272,"84752","It's no longer an engineer saying, \"I think this bit should be more to the left, that one more to the right.\"",1796.28,1799.48,{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":8,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},273,"84753","The computer designs it optimized for you right from the start.",1800.02,1803.4,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":8,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},274,"84754","So this will greatly change how the industry operates.",1803.44,1806.32,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":8,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},275,"84755","And Brazil, we have a good base electricity supply, low-carbon and cheap.",1806.6,1813.28,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":8,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},276,"84756","And we have space to increasingly deploy photovoltaics without problem.",1813.62,1817.18,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":8,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},277,"84757","That will be the... the big limiter of the future will be the amount of energy.",1817.72,1821.76,{"idx":1803,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":8,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},278,"84758","In fact, if you look at the chart, there is a direct correlation between energy per capita and a country's development.",1822.1,1830.26,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":8,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},279,"84759","And Brazil has an energy potential; we don't have an energy limit.",1830.68,1834.18,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":8,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},280,"84760","We have all that potential.",1835.7,1837.22,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":8,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":314,"topic_slug":1598,"topic_label":1599,"target_id":1600,"target_proposition":1601,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":1826,"indexable":391},281,"84761","So we'll have cheap computing, we'll have that energy potential, we have the raw materials, we'll now have... this democratized knowledge, we just need the government not to get in the way, to create a framework that incentivizes companies and people to start businesses.",1837.26,1855.36,"Asks that 'o governo não atrapalhe' and that a framework be created to encourage businesses.",{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":8,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},282,"84762","Because it will be possible to unlock massive growth in Brazil with that combination of factors, in my opinion.",1855.8,1860.12,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},283,"84763","Wow, Lucas... that's really cool.",1861.08,1865.24,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":612,"indexable":13},284,"84764","What you're saying — because I've been trying to record videos and explain this in an optimistic way about Brazil — is important, because some people's reading of Brazil today is very negative, and even among presidential candidacies out there, I won't turn this live into a campaign live, but the reading is very negative, it's very vengeful: get rid of the left, no, don't let fascism return, and man, if we fix... certain elements, push a few buttons here, it's what you said.",1865.28,1891.88,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},285,"84765","Certain assumptions here are phenomenal.",1892.58,1895.3,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},286,"84766","This issue of cheap energy — we're not even talking about nuclear energy.",1896.1,1898.92,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":302,"topic_slug":1863,"topic_label":1864,"target_id":1865,"target_proposition":1866,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":499,"rationale":1867,"indexable":391},287,"84767","If we put, let's say, renewables plus nuclear energy, which is a clean energy at the end of the day and increasingly safe today, you have a very large energy base to build data centers, to be able to work with AI intensively here.",1898.96,1912.22,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Industrial and Energy Policy","4fad5c34-060d-4775-a7ab-72da03eae0b7","adopt and expand nuclear energy in the energy mix","Advocates combining renewables with nuclear power to ensure a reliable energy base.",{"idx":1869,"utterance_id":1870,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1871,"start_s":1872,"end_s":1873,"word_count":204,"indexable":13},288,"84768","And if we pursue a competitiveness agenda... and become attractive to bring digital nomads and high-quality human capital, what happens — this was a discussion I even had with some folks at an American magazine called Paladium, in San Francisco, a magazine in the tech universe, from the tech right.",1913.12,1930.6,{"idx":1875,"utterance_id":1876,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1877,"start_s":1878,"end_s":1879,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},289,"84769","And people were saying a lot, man, the world will be like that: a group of talented people move to a nice place to live.",1931.12,1936.5,{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},290,"84770","A cool place, with a nice climate, they start the company, are happy for a while, then later build somewhere else.",1937.08,1941.72,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},291,"84771","And Brazil is one of the countries that has the ingredients for you to be happy.",1942.12,1944.5,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":1598,"topic_label":1599,"target_id":1898,"target_proposition":1899,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":1900,"indexable":391},292,"84772","If we basically solve public security, infrastructure, sufficient energy, correct and concrete regulatory frameworks, you can have the installation of high-tech companies and the attraction of that quality human capital.",1944.54,1958.52,"69108158-c295-4c65-8d3c-01fabc5fccf0","implement concrete and appropriate regulatory frameworks","Mentions the need for 'marcos regulatórios corretos e concretos'.",{"idx":1902,"utterance_id":1903,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1904,"start_s":1905,"end_s":1906,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},293,"84773","And that effect you're talking about becomes inevitable.",1958.86,1960.8,{"idx":1908,"utterance_id":1909,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1910,"start_s":1911,"end_s":1912,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},294,"84774","That's why I think the future for us, if we do our homework, is glorious.",1960.84,1965.58,{"idx":1914,"utterance_id":1915,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1916,"start_s":1917,"end_s":1918,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},295,"84775","It's not even that Brazil will improve a bit.",1965.98,1967.84,{"idx":1920,"utterance_id":1921,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1922,"start_s":1923,"end_s":1924,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},296,"84776","Brazil has everything to be one of those five most important nations in the world, the nations that decide things.",1968.14,1973.02,{"idx":1926,"utterance_id":1927,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":1928,"start_s":1929,"end_s":1930,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},297,"84777","That makes me anxious.",1974.78,1975.62,{"idx":1932,"utterance_id":1933,"speaker_name":8,"text":1934,"start_s":1935,"end_s":1936,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},298,"84778","Without a doubt.",1977.84,1978.36,{"idx":1938,"utterance_id":1939,"speaker_name":8,"text":1940,"start_s":1941,"end_s":1942,"word_count":273,"topic_slug":1943,"topic_label":1944,"target_id":1945,"target_proposition":1946,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":417,"rationale":1947,"indexable":13},299,"84779","We have all the natural resources, we have the intellectual potential, which will increasingly, again as we said, because of AI will become more democratic, education will improve, education will become cheaper.",1978.42,1990.9,"politica-de-educacao","Education policy","e49b950a-78c7-4da8-9861-e3944d529b29","promote the democratization of education through technology and artificial intelligence","Predicts that AI will make education more democratic, without proposing specific policy.",{"idx":1949,"utterance_id":1950,"speaker_name":8,"text":1951,"start_s":1952,"end_s":1953,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},300,"84780","Education is already available.",1991.14,1992.32,{"idx":1955,"utterance_id":1956,"speaker_name":8,"text":1957,"start_s":1958,"end_s":1959,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},301,"84781","Today you can already learn whatever you want on YouTube at any time at zero cost.",1992.46,1996,{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":8,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},302,"84782","There's no longer the excuse that education is inaccessible.",1997,2000.62,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":8,"text":1969,"start_s":1970,"end_s":1971,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},303,"84783","No, everyone has access to everything.",2000.68,2002.1,{"idx":1973,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":8,"text":1975,"start_s":1976,"end_s":1977,"word_count":235,"topic_slug":1485,"topic_label":1486,"target_id":1978,"target_proposition":1979,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":552,"rationale":1980,"indexable":391},304,"84784","And this polarized discussion persists, discussion about things that make no sense, when the important thing is to raise the floor of the Brazilian population, make Brazilians earn more money, make Brazilians become entrepreneurs.",2002.48,2014.64,"a1afa43b-abbf-468e-b4b1-69325e3ff65b","raise population income and promote entrepreneurship","Supports raising the population's baseline and promoting entrepreneurship as a priority.",{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":8,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},305,"84785","Last week, for the first time, a single person created a company worth more than one billion dollars.",2015.36,2023.88,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":8,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":302,"indexable":13},306,"84786","The guy alone, with some AI agents, created a medicine-sales platform that is billing hundreds of millions of dollars a year, a single guy, and he was the first to create an AI company worth more than one billion dollars.",2025.88,2041.22,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":8,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},307,"84787","That could have been done in Brazil.",2042.22,2043.82,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":8,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},308,"84788","It could have been done anywhere.",2044.22,2045.42,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":8,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":393,"indexable":13},309,"84789","So increasingly we'll have the opportunity to use... to make this leap for Brazil, that knowledge gap that we unfortunately ended up with — we lost two decades, three decades, with one bad government after another, debating outdated agendas; indeed, all these agendas, most of the issues being discussed in the election today are outdated agendas about oil.",2046.16,2070.12,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":8,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":308,"indexable":13},310,"84790","It's ours, it's not ours, that discussion... privatize this, nationalize that — these debates are from the '80s, the '90s, because the people in power are people who came from the '70s, '60s; it's all wrong, it's outdated.",2070.16,2086.58,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":8,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":460,"topic_slug":1452,"topic_label":1453,"target_id":2023,"target_proposition":2024,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":763,"rationale":2025,"indexable":391},311,"84791","That's why I believe that if we join forces and manage to change... make Brazil attractive from the standpoint of legal certainty, make Brazil attractive, we can create a Formula 1 team, we can create an active aerospace industry, we can make partnerships with other countries to use our potential, we have space to do it, we have practically infinite space to install photovoltaic panels.",2087.04,2112.52,"a8f1a989-55a6-4428-b329-b71b695c438b","ensure legal certainty and protection of private property","Proposes making Brazil attractive 'com segurança jurídica' for investment.",{"idx":2027,"utterance_id":2028,"speaker_name":8,"text":2029,"start_s":2030,"end_s":2031,"word_count":314,"indexable":13},312,"84792","I did the calculation: I'm not talking about... average power, but Brazil's energy production with an area of 40 km by 40 km of photovoltaic panels — in the sertão of Bahia we would produce the amount of energy we consume per year today.",2113.02,2132.3,{"idx":2033,"utterance_id":2034,"speaker_name":8,"text":2035,"start_s":2036,"end_s":2037,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},313,"84793","It's nothing, it's an insignificant piece of the country's size.",2132.66,2136.24,{"idx":2039,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":8,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":187,"indexable":13},314,"84794","Our average photovoltaic potential is much greater than the maximum of Germany, or England, or any other European country, because we are... geographically very privileged.",2136.94,2148.52,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":8,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},315,"84795","So, Brazil has a number of points, a number of... everything to succeed.",2148.84,2160.06,{"idx":2051,"utterance_id":2052,"speaker_name":8,"text":2053,"start_s":2054,"end_s":2055,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":1202,"topic_label":1203,"target_id":2056,"target_proposition":2057,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":2058,"indexable":391},316,"84796","The only thing we need is to tear out this kleptocratic system that runs Brazil, regardless of who it is — obviously much more from the current government — and clean it up and start from zero.",2160.34,2174.88,"b555c689-71d9-49bd-83fb-edeb1ce514ca","eradicate the kleptocratic system and corrupt practices in the state","Explicitly calls to 'arrancar esse sistema cleptocrático' that governs Brazil.",{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":8,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},317,"84797","That we have all this potential.",2175.18,2176.42,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":8,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":199,"indexable":13},318,"84798","Anyway, I root for that; as a Brazilian, which is what I want most, is to see Brazil again at the top of the world as one of the main powers.",2176.96,2188.44,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},319,"84799","Yeah, that's it.",2189.22,2190.3,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},320,"84800","It's our destiny.",2190.6,2191.26,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":141,"indexable":13},321,"84801","And there's an element — there is such an element — either we are glorious as a nation, or we will be nothing.",2191.36,2198.52,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},322,"84802","A friend of ours did a simple research and wrote a very interesting article about it.",2199.2,2204,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":448,"indexable":13},323,"84803","Among the nations with territory of... I forgot the mileage now, the square meters, but... among nations with the largest territory in the world, among nations with GDP greater than 1.8 trillion, and among nations with population greater than 120 million inhabitants, there are five nations that, among all those, four have the atomic bomb and one that doesn't, which is incapable of defending itself.",2204.48,2235.72,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},324,"84804","The others are India, China, the United States, Russia — and then comes Brazil.",2236.72,2240.28,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},325,"84805","We could count the European Union as a territory, then there's France, England that has nuclear weapons.",2240.32,2244.2,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},326,"84806","I wasn't even a supporter of the idea of nuclear armament, I didn't think it was a topic to be discussed.",2244.66,2248.88,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},327,"84807","But in the world that's coming, Brazil has all those attributes you listed.",2249.42,2252.92,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},328,"84808","and we are incapable of imagining ourselves as great.",2253.76,2259.18,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},329,"84809","And by not imagining ourselves as great, we end up becoming small in the face of the world's challenges, and the world will want what we have.",2259.54,2266.16,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},330,"84810","Thus, the world is becoming very dangerous.",2266.66,2268.36,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},331,"84811","If we were to do a retrospective and ask, ten years ago, 'will there be wars in the world in the future?','332':'Well then, there's war in Iran, there's war in Israel, there's war in Ukraine, there was war in Venezuela.",2269.32,2274.16,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":141,"indexable":13},332,"84812","Well, there's a war in Iran, there's a war in Israel, there's a war in Ukraine, there was a war in Venezuela.",2274.24,2279.56,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},333,"84813","Now, we are about to have a war between Taiwan and China.",2279.62,2283.1,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},334,"84814","The world is quite inflamed.",2283.48,2285.32,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":199,"indexable":13},335,"84815","We're just not calling this a world war, but there are several conflicts, and in practically all of them the United States is involved directly or indirectly, the so-called proxy war.",2285.76,2293.64,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":478,"indexable":13},336,"84816","So the world is becoming... Brazil possesses all the resources you mentioned: the capacity to produce food, rare earths, high-quality raw materials; we're talking about an interesting geographic position in the Global South — although perhaps not as interesting today — we're talking about water, hydric resources, energy. In other words, Brazil could simply, as a nation, cease to exist if we don't understand our role.",2293.68,2320.68,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},337,"84817","Because it could very well be divided.",2320.72,2322.34,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":153,"indexable":13},338,"84818","Then a partitioning by foreign nations comes upon us, which is nothing that hasn't already happened many, many times in human history.",2322.4,2328.02,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":206,"topic_slug":2197,"topic_label":2198,"target_id":2199,"target_proposition":2200,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":2201,"indexable":391},339,"84819","So there's an urgency I raise, which is: either we assume ourselves to be a serious nation, as we were discussing here, or the world will be very cruel to us.",2328.46,2338.42,"seguranca-nacional","National Security","8bccd925-d315-46fe-98ba-c05afa30f4d5","strengthen national defense to protect sovereignty and resources","Calls to 'assumir como uma nação séria' in the face of the risk of division.",{"idx":2203,"utterance_id":2204,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2205,"start_s":2206,"end_s":2207,"word_count":87,"indexable":13},340,"84820","There is a kind of necessity to assume ourselves as a serious nation.",2339.48,2342.38,{"idx":2209,"utterance_id":2210,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2211,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},341,"84821","And we've lost that, haven't we?",2342.88,2343.8,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},342,"84822","You were describing that your father worked at Engesa.",2343.9,2346.2,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":218,"indexable":13},343,"84823","Engesa — I remember the 1980s, correct me if I'm wrong — had a tank called Osório, which was a tank that competed in international competitions and beat American tanks.",2348.08,2359.36,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},344,"84824","I think Engesa went bankrupt...",2359.4,2360.56,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":8,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},345,"84825","What I said — at the time it went head-to-head with Lockheed, with heavy American tech companies, and Brazil went up against them on equal terms.",2361.24,2374.38,{"idx":2239,"utterance_id":2240,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2241,"start_s":2242,"end_s":2243,"word_count":291,"indexable":13},346,"84826","And so, we... up until that period, you can make whatever criticisms you want of the regime that was there, or even of Vargas who came before — I have criticisms of all of them — but, my God, it was a country that tried to see itself as someone great.",2375.24,2388.04,{"idx":2245,"utterance_id":2246,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2247,"start_s":2248,"end_s":2249,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},347,"84827","From then on, it seems we were forbidden from seeing ourselves as someone great.",2388.62,2391,{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":85,"indexable":13},348,"84828","We are not allowed to aspire; so much so that when I casually mentioned the Formula 1 thing, people reacted like, 'oh, imagine, ah ah ah, let's do it, ah ah ah.'",2392.2,2401.8,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},349,"84829","We are capable; we are capable of many things.",2401.84,2403.86,{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},350,"84830","We forbade ourselves from being ambitious.",2404.88,2406.72,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2271,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2273,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},351,"84831","You cannot have ambition.",2406.88,2407.68,{"idx":2275,"utterance_id":2276,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2277,"start_s":2278,"end_s":2279,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},352,"84832","The one who can have ambition is Daniel Vorcaro.",2407.74,2409.64,{"idx":2281,"utterance_id":2282,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2283,"start_s":2284,"end_s":2285,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},353,"84833","He can be ambitious.",2410.06,2411.3,{"idx":2287,"utterance_id":2288,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2289,"start_s":2290,"end_s":2291,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},354,"84834","Who can be ambitious is the president of a political party with an annual budget of billions.",2411.36,2415.46,{"idx":2293,"utterance_id":2294,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2295,"start_s":2296,"end_s":2297,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},355,"84835","That's very grotesque.",2416.4,2417.3,{"idx":2299,"utterance_id":2300,"speaker_name":8,"text":2301,"start_s":2302,"end_s":2303,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},356,"84836","Sorry, the internet was dropping out a lot just now.",2417.9,2420.64,{"idx":2305,"utterance_id":2306,"speaker_name":8,"text":2307,"start_s":2308,"end_s":2309,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},357,"84837","It froze a bit.",2422,2422.68,{"idx":2311,"utterance_id":2312,"speaker_name":8,"text":2313,"start_s":2314,"end_s":2315,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},358,"84838","But I understood most of what you said.",2423.66,2426.12,{"idx":2317,"utterance_id":2318,"speaker_name":8,"text":2319,"start_s":2320,"end_s":2321,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},359,"84839","Actually, I'm reading a book right now — it's on my Kindle.",2426.18,2431.9,{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":8,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},360,"84840","It's a book about nuclear energy, which is exactly... Going Nuclear.",2432.4,2438.78,{"idx":2329,"utterance_id":2330,"speaker_name":8,"text":2331,"start_s":2332,"end_s":2333,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1863,"topic_label":1864,"target_id":2334,"target_proposition":2335,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":763,"rationale":2336,"indexable":391},361,"84841","And this book is exactly about the entire chain of nuclear energy production: how it's done, how it's not done, what the history is, what the types of reactors are, which are the most modern reactors, the SMRs.",2442.66,2455.24,"75bd1cf6-657a-41a7-b3fa-db5b9119168c","resume nuclear energy program (complete Angra 3)","States that 'energia nuclear vai fazer parte do nosso futuro' and mentions SMRs.",{"idx":2338,"utterance_id":2339,"speaker_name":8,"text":2340,"start_s":2341,"end_s":2342,"word_count":690,"topic_slug":1863,"topic_label":1864,"target_id":2343,"target_proposition":2344,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":2345,"indexable":391},362,"84842","Which are Small Modular Reactors, and all that technology; obviously nuclear energy will be part of our future, and I agree with you. I think that, from the point of view — these are quite different things: energy production, I think we don't even need to go nuclear, because it's still very expensive, and Brazil has room: if we use photovoltaics and use hydro as a base, we still have a margin, we have a lot of slack ahead; we can produce a lot of electricity, which will be one of the bottlenecks for AI, the main bottleneck.",2456.08,2483.42,"f1c8f731-f853-4693-b25f-e543627ac1b0","expand renewable energy generation (photovoltaic and wind) and use hydropower as a base","Says there is no need to go nuclear and favors photovoltaic and hydropower.",{"idx":2347,"utterance_id":2348,"speaker_name":8,"text":2349,"start_s":2350,"end_s":2351,"word_count":87,"indexable":13},363,"84843","AI production's bottleneck will be energy, not chips.",2484,2486.52,{"idx":2353,"utterance_id":2354,"speaker_name":8,"text":2355,"start_s":2356,"end_s":2357,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},364,"84844","And we have all that potential; so much so that they're installing data centers in the Northeast, they're installing them across Brazil and will use them increasingly.",2487.02,2495.74,{"idx":2359,"utterance_id":2360,"speaker_name":8,"text":2361,"start_s":2362,"end_s":2363,"word_count":193,"indexable":13},365,"84845","TikTok built a gigantic data center there because electricity there is super cheap due to wind and photovoltaics, and it could be much more; there's a lot of room.",2497.08,2505.1,{"idx":2365,"utterance_id":2366,"speaker_name":8,"text":2367,"start_s":2368,"end_s":2369,"word_count":33,"topic_slug":1863,"topic_label":1864,"target_id":2370,"target_proposition":2371,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":499,"rationale":2372,"indexable":391},366,"84846","Nuclear is a bit more expensive, but without a doubt, possessing the technology — especially uranium enrichment, in this case — I think is strategically super important.",2505.5,2517.06,"28bc78db-edd3-402c-8d18-bce9eece4d85","develop technological capacity for uranium enrichment","Argues for 'deter a tecnologia... enriquecimento do urânio' as a strategic priority.",{"idx":2374,"utterance_id":2375,"speaker_name":8,"text":2376,"start_s":2377,"end_s":2378,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},367,"84847","It's not a question of being aggressive or not, but of being part of the global table of countries that have the capacity to defend themselves in case of an attack.",2517.12,2528.24,{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":8,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},368,"84848","Because, like it or not, nowadays Brazil is open to China.",2528.3,2532.92,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":8,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},369,"84849","China... is taking over the infrastructure of the entire Africa, it's coming into Brazil with force.",2533.18,2540.86,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":8,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},370,"84850","And we, as you said, I think the chance is not zero that stronger countries will want the resources that Brazil has.",2541.5,2548.64,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":8,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},371,"84851","I'm not saying it's very likely, but I'm saying the chance is not zero.",2549.22,2552.64,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":8,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":135,"topic_slug":2409,"topic_label":2410,"target_id":2411,"target_proposition":2412,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":1045,"rationale":2413,"indexable":13},372,"84852","And then it's our decision as a country: will we have a defense system that will keep us safe?",2553.04,2557.26,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Foreign Policy and Diplomacy","f19e723a-bda0-48f5-9a0c-a76bf8b15a52","maintain commercial and diplomatic relations with the United States and China","Presents the choice between self-defense or alliance without choosing.",{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":8,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},373,"84853","Or we will make a partnership with a global leader, which will be either the United States or China, in which we will become dependent, yet protected.",2558.9,2567.2,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":8,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":373,"indexable":13},374,"84854","I think it's just a discussion to have, also about capital allocation, but merely the fact that you have to develop this technology means you have to create a chain of technologies that can be used in various areas — in nuclear medicine, in energy production; anyway, there are many things to... to discuss.",2567.5,2586.54,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":8,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":100,"indexable":13},375,"84855","In fact, I had lunch with the national secretary of nuclear fusion a few months ago.",2586.58,2591.58,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":8,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":2438,"topic_label":2439,"target_id":2440,"target_proposition":2441,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":755,"rationale":2442,"indexable":391},376,"84856","I didn't even know Brazil had a national secretary of fusion — not fission, nuclear fusion — and they're building a fusion center in the interior of São Paulo, in a small town whose name I forgot, near Sorocaba.",2592.36,2607.06,"tecnologia-e-inteligencia-artificial","Technology and Artificial Intelligence","7017f329-deaa-492f-850e-0ed71c5e5611","invest in technological and space development","Reports the creation of a center and endorses fusion and related technologies.",{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":8,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":568,"indexable":13},377,"84857","We're going to do like the particle accelerator they have in Campinas, we'll do this fusion center, because nuclear fusion is not just nuclear fusion; we're talking about electrical superconductors, which are wires with no resistance that operate at very low temperatures. You can transmit energy, for example, if you have this technology you can store and transmit energy without any loss; that's the holy grail of engineering, especially the part of electrical transformation, inverters and such.",2608.08,2642.2,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":8,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},378,"84858","Anyway, we have this capacity, we have to have this discussion, and this is what should be discussed — this kind of strategic agenda.",2642.64,2650.42,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":8,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":537,"topic_slug":2461,"topic_label":2462,"target_id":2463,"target_proposition":2464,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":763,"rationale":2465,"indexable":391},379,"84859","And not spending 45 minutes on national television talking—one talks about his son, the other talks about I don't know what—this kind of headless, nonsensical discussion that, anyway, won't take our country anywhere. But this is the kind of discussion I'd like to see with our leaders: where we are going and how Brazil will go, and what the country's long-term strategy is, which is something no one discusses.",2650.72,2676.24,"planejamento-estrategico","Strategic planning","6f080d76-f80a-4b1f-b06e-16d825b4e0e6","prioritize long-term strategic planning in public policy","Says 'isso é o que deveria ser discutido', calling for strategic focus.",{"idx":2467,"utterance_id":2468,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2469,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},380,"84860","No, it's like this, and man, I can tell you, Lucas, I'm trying to talk to many people about many topics because I'm putting together a pre-campaign plan for the presidency of the Republic.",2677.6,2687.04,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":204,"indexable":13},381,"84861","And what you have are, let's say, these points, islands of excellence and almost comical attempts in some areas that we manage; like the particle accelerator case—you have a particle accelerator, you have one, you have an Embraer—and it's an extreme that's isolated and doesn't spread.",2687.64,2702.54,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":8,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},382,"84862","The particle accelerator is in the southern hemisphere, right?",2703.42,2706.46,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},383,"84863","Yes, the particle accelerator is a unique case.",2707.42,2709.9,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":87,"indexable":13},384,"84864","And what frightens us is the lack of spread of technological development.",2710.6,2716.22,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":314,"indexable":13},385,"84865","Because when you have cutting-edge technology developed here, in theory, if I were a nation like the United States—which is a nation where competitiveness is given, money is cheap, you have a pre-established work culture—it's easy to start companies.",2716.26,2729.2,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":176,"indexable":13},386,"84866","If you create a technology at a university... several companies will take that technology and start making derivatives of it and you begin to create an ecosystem.",2729.56,2736.86,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":261,"indexable":13},387,"84867","And that spreads to a group of surrounding cities, then you start to have people migrating to those cities because companies arise; suddenly they're hiring a Chinese who develops a technology and things get energized.",2737.22,2747.22,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":153,"indexable":13},388,"84868","Here, for some reason, this is one of the things I have started to notice on the trips I'm now making to Brazil.",2747.88,2753.98,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":28,"indexable":13},389,"84869","That doesn't happen.",2754.34,2755.12,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":87,"indexable":13},390,"84870","No matter how much you have an isolated, sensational initiative, it ends there.",2755.26,2759.16,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},391,"84871","Because the guy who, say, is an employee of Unicamp and the particle accelerator, and he wants to set up a tech company X, a startup with his friends to make a component,",2759.74,2771.32,{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},392,"84872","Just for him to try to open the company would already be hell.",2772.24,2774.08,{"idx":2545,"utterance_id":2546,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2547,"start_s":2548,"end_s":2549,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},393,"84873","He wouldn't be able to open the company, he wouldn't be able to hire people, he wouldn't find the money, wouldn't find financing, clients would scorn him, and he'd simply say he'd take a public exam to become a tax auditor.",2774.14,2783.28,{"idx":2551,"utterance_id":2552,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2553,"start_s":2554,"end_s":2555,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},394,"84874","And that's what's most despairing.",2784.88,2786.4,{"idx":2557,"utterance_id":2558,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2559,"start_s":2560,"end_s":2561,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},395,"84875","That's the despairing thing.",2787.1,2787.82,{"idx":2563,"utterance_id":2564,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2565,"start_s":2566,"end_s":2567,"word_count":118,"topic_slug":2568,"topic_label":2569,"target_id":2570,"target_proposition":2571,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":2572,"indexable":391},396,"84876","I think solving this issue is making all these hubs of excellence become multipliers.",2788.08,2794.84,"logistica-e-competitividade","Logistics and Competitiveness","a8515065-5694-41ea-ba72-0e028010f205","foster the spread of innovation hubs and business ecosystems","Proposes turning isolated hubs into multipliers of innovation.",{"idx":2574,"utterance_id":2575,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2576,"start_s":2577,"end_s":2578,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},397,"84877","And that has a colossal economic effect, man.",2794.92,2796.9,{"idx":2580,"utterance_id":2581,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2582,"start_s":2583,"end_s":2584,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},398,"84878","Colossal.",2796.98,2797.4,{"idx":2586,"utterance_id":2587,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2588,"start_s":2589,"end_s":2590,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},399,"84879","This is very despairing, man.",2798.3,2799.36,{"idx":2592,"utterance_id":2593,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2594,"start_s":2595,"end_s":2596,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},400,"84880","Very, very.",2799.94,2800.5,{"idx":2598,"utterance_id":2599,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2600,"start_s":2601,"end_s":2602,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},401,"84881","Want to see something?",2800.7,2801.2,{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":8,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},402,"84882","Go ahead.",2803.68,2803.88,{"idx":2610,"utterance_id":2611,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2612,"start_s":2613,"end_s":2614,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},403,"84883","No, it's like this: they installed Fiat's factory in a city called Goiânia, there in Pernambuco.",2804.88,2811.84,{"idx":2616,"utterance_id":2617,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2618,"start_s":2619,"end_s":2620,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},404,"84884","It's not the Goiânia in Goiás, it's near Recife.",2812.86,2815.26,{"idx":2622,"utterance_id":2623,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2624,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},405,"84885","And then what happens?",2815.72,2816.5,{"idx":2628,"utterance_id":2629,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2630,"start_s":2631,"end_s":2632,"word_count":321,"indexable":13},406,"84886","Okay, I'll say that the industry, a car assembler there, isn't exactly a cutting-edge industry, but it's a modern factory that has the system integrator; you have the supply chain that could be around it, and then you could have around the city — you'd be creating a correlated ecosystem.",2817.26,2832.18,{"idx":2634,"utterance_id":2635,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2636,"start_s":2637,"end_s":2638,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},407,"84887","Well, almost nobody who works at Fiat lives in Goiânia.",2832.5,2835.48,{"idx":2640,"utterance_id":2641,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2642,"start_s":2643,"end_s":2644,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},408,"84888","People come by bus from Recife or João Pessoa; the factory is an island and the town around it has almost no economic result — at best, no economic consequence from the factory's installation.",2835.86,2848,{"idx":2646,"utterance_id":2647,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2648,"start_s":2649,"end_s":2650,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},409,"84889","This is an example that something is very wrong in the Brazilian political and economic system, so that when things arrive, when you have an initiative, it only is a one-off; it never takes hold.",2848.48,2859.92,{"idx":2652,"utterance_id":2653,"speaker_name":8,"text":2654,"start_s":2655,"end_s":2656,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":1452,"topic_label":1453,"target_id":2023,"target_proposition":2024,"stance":416,"stance_confidence":417,"rationale":2657,"indexable":13},410,"84890","Yeah, I think the main thing, in this case, especially in this area of innovation, the main culprit is the cost of capital.",2862.5,2868.84,"Identifies cost of capital and legal certainty as central problems.",{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":8,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":308,"indexable":13},411,"84891","The cost of capital in Brazil today and the risks you have — low legal certainty, high capital risk, the labor risk you have — I think last year was the record for labor lawsuits in history, I don't know how many billions of reais in suits.",2869.54,2884.34,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":8,"text":2667,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},412,"84892","So all these risks combined discourage you from starting anything.",2884.62,2890.04,{"idx":2671,"utterance_id":2672,"speaker_name":8,"text":2673,"start_s":2674,"end_s":2675,"word_count":267,"indexable":13},413,"84893","You buy government bonds and live off rent-seeking, which is what, if you have money in Brazil, you do, because interest at 15% isn't found anywhere else in the world at that level; you won't try to start a business.",2891.96,2904.92,{"idx":2677,"utterance_id":2678,"speaker_name":8,"text":2679,"start_s":2680,"end_s":2681,"word_count":204,"indexable":13},414,"84894","And this is what people don't understand, it's what I think might be the hardest to understand, I don't know if people are capable of understanding it, but... If you create an incentive structure that discourages a person from opening a business, from being an entrepreneur, Brazilians will never be entrepreneurial on average.",2905.12,2927.48,{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":8,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":33,"indexable":13},415,"84895","There may be one here, another there, but you don't have a chain of incentives that make a person want to start anything, to do any kind of new business.",2927.54,2937.66,{"idx":2689,"utterance_id":2690,"speaker_name":8,"text":2691,"start_s":2692,"end_s":2693,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},416,"84896","In the United States it's exactly the opposite.",2938.1,2939.64,{"idx":2695,"utterance_id":2696,"speaker_name":8,"text":2697,"start_s":2698,"end_s":2699,"word_count":218,"indexable":13},417,"84897","You have little risk, you can borrow capital, you can leverage yourself, you can get a group together to build that company, and those companies will be the ones that dominate the world.",2940.04,2950.94,{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":8,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},418,"84898","Those companies are Googles, Facebooks, all those companies that started from nothing and became global companies — Elon Musk, for example — companies worth trillions of dollars today.",2950.98,2962.74,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":8,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},419,"84899","And Brazil, zero, right?",2962.8,2964.52,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":8,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":229,"indexable":13},420,"84900","I think I read recently that, with interest rates as they are, one in four companies on the Bovespa can no longer generate cash flow to pay the interest on their debt.",2964.6,2974.18,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":8,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},421,"84901","That's how it is.",2974.94,2975.34,{"idx":2725,"utterance_id":2726,"speaker_name":8,"text":2727,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},422,"84902","You can't survive in Brazil like that.",2977.86,2980.36,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},423,"84903","That's why those who survive do so by political means.",2981.76,2984.32,{"idx":2737,"utterance_id":2738,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2739,"start_s":2740,"end_s":2741,"word_count":33,"topic_slug":1202,"topic_label":1203,"target_id":2742,"target_proposition":2743,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":755,"rationale":2744,"indexable":391},424,"84904","The case of Banco Master — I keep talking a lot about it — because the last great fruit of Brazilian capitalism was a fraudulent bank that bought the minister of the STF.",2984.52,2992.56,"80cb1fec-5d41-4570-8082-c9a323620e31","combat impunity and increase accountability of criminals","Accuses the purchase of an STF justice and criticizes corruption in the market.",{"idx":2746,"utterance_id":2747,"speaker_name":8,"text":2748,"start_s":2749,"end_s":2750,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},425,"84905","Being rich means not complaining.",2994.02,2996.38,{"idx":2752,"utterance_id":2753,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2754,"start_s":2755,"end_s":2756,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},426,"84906","Brazil hasn't had any real IPOs of companies, truly significant ones, from 2021 onward; I don't even know if there have been any.",2997.38,3003.02,{"idx":2758,"utterance_id":2759,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2760,"start_s":2761,"end_s":2762,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},427,"84907","There must have been one or two.",3003.36,3004.52,{"idx":2764,"utterance_id":2765,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2766,"start_s":2767,"end_s":2768,"word_count":147,"indexable":13},428,"84908","Having said that, the bank, which was clearly a scam, a pyramid scheme, was the most meteoric ascent in Brazilian capitalism.",3005.16,3013.62,{"idx":2770,"utterance_id":2771,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2772,"start_s":2773,"end_s":2774,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},429,"84909","Which leads us to reflect on this.",3014.34,3016.76,{"idx":2776,"utterance_id":2777,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2778,"start_s":2779,"end_s":2780,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},430,"84910","In a market with the Selic so high and with legal uncertainty, it's obvious that only shady schemes will scale.",3017.16,3023.16,{"idx":2782,"utterance_id":2783,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2784,"start_s":2785,"end_s":2786,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},431,"84911","You can only scale by being very crooked.",3024.14,3025.7,{"idx":2788,"utterance_id":2789,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2790,"start_s":2791,"end_s":2792,"word_count":94,"indexable":13},432,"84912","And being crooked removes any incentive for you to do an honest venture.",3025.76,3030.78,{"idx":2794,"utterance_id":2795,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2796,"start_s":2797,"end_s":2798,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},433,"84913","That is, to assume risk honestly.",3031.14,3032.98,{"idx":2800,"utterance_id":2801,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2802,"start_s":2803,"end_s":2804,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},434,"84914","based on honest ideas and to obtain an honest profit.",3034.6,3037.4,{"idx":2806,"utterance_id":2807,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2808,"start_s":2809,"end_s":2810,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},435,"84915","That should be the rule.",3037.84,3038.86,{"idx":2812,"utterance_id":2813,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2814,"start_s":2815,"end_s":2816,"word_count":241,"indexable":13},436,"84916","Not here. And then you feel ridiculous because, even if you try that, you'll be given every incentive, really, to be predatory or to run people over and grow.",3039,3049.12,{"idx":2818,"utterance_id":2819,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2820,"start_s":2821,"end_s":2822,"word_count":212,"indexable":13},437,"84917","I've seen, like, all the cases involving, let's say, the Brazilian real estate market in recent years and its promiscuous relationship with politics, which isn't limited to Master, right?",3049.16,3059.92,{"idx":2824,"utterance_id":2825,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2826,"start_s":2827,"end_s":2828,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},438,"84918","Master is the most obvious case.",3060.08,3061.2,{"idx":2830,"utterance_id":2831,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2832,"start_s":2833,"end_s":2834,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},439,"84919","They set the tone for this, man.",3061.88,3062.92,{"idx":2836,"utterance_id":2837,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2838,"start_s":2839,"end_s":2840,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},440,"84920","It's a capitalism that's not working.",3062.96,3064.22,{"idx":2842,"utterance_id":2843,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2844,"start_s":2845,"end_s":2846,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},441,"84921","Capitalism that failed.",3064.44,3065.32,{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},442,"84922","And then, man, when we talk about... Really, then I'd go to the other side of the coin.",3065.36,3068.38,{"idx":2854,"utterance_id":2855,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2856,"start_s":2857,"end_s":2858,"word_count":187,"indexable":13},443,"84923","Talking about today's Brazil having a Formula 1 team, launching rockets, being a country competitive in terms of energy—this sounds like a joke to people.",3068.76,3078.96,{"idx":2860,"utterance_id":2861,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2862,"start_s":2863,"end_s":2864,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},444,"84924","It sounds like, you're crazy, that's crazy talk.",3079.38,3081.78,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":8,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":128,"indexable":13},445,"84925","Yeah, I think... I'm with you, I don't think it's crazy talk, but the crazy thing is this system of ours.",3084.58,3092.74,{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":8,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},446,"84926","The Brazilian socio-economic system that produces these aberrations like Master, like, well, so many other companies that survive—it's not just Master; Master was pure swindle, right?",3094.06,3104.22,{"idx":2878,"utterance_id":2879,"speaker_name":8,"text":2880,"start_s":2881,"end_s":2882,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},447,"84927","But so many companies live off some type of subsidy or a specific law created by lobbying that generates a benefit for that company.",3104.6,3112.98,{"idx":2884,"utterance_id":2885,"speaker_name":8,"text":2886,"start_s":2887,"end_s":2888,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},448,"84928","I don't think we live in capitalism in Brazil.",3113.26,3115.2,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":8,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":314,"indexable":13},449,"84929","I think capitalism, actually, is—capitalism in essence: a system in which everyone has the same chance to compete and whoever makes the best product can sell it, can open a company, can create competitiveness, can do whatever they want.",3115.58,3132.22,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":8,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},450,"84930","And in Brazil, no.",3132.52,3133.4,{"idx":2902,"utterance_id":2903,"speaker_name":8,"text":2904,"start_s":2905,"end_s":2906,"word_count":92,"indexable":13},451,"84931","To start a company you need all the regulatory parts, which are bureaucratic.",3133.78,3138.12,{"idx":2908,"utterance_id":2909,"speaker_name":8,"text":2910,"start_s":2911,"end_s":2912,"word_count":193,"indexable":13},452,"84932","If you try to compete in a sector that's already dominated by some company, there will be lobbying to prevent you from doing it, no matter how much better you are.",3139.7,3148.18,{"idx":2914,"utterance_id":2915,"speaker_name":8,"text":2916,"start_s":2917,"end_s":2918,"word_count":193,"indexable":13},453,"84933","Or there will be a scam scheme in which the guy has so much competitive advantage that it's impossible for you to start a business in that segment and open a better company.",3148.58,3157.72,{"idx":2920,"utterance_id":2921,"speaker_name":8,"text":2922,"start_s":2923,"end_s":2924,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},454,"84934","I think we don't live in capitalism in Brazil.",3158.2,3160.44,{"idx":2926,"utterance_id":2927,"speaker_name":8,"text":2928,"start_s":2929,"end_s":2930,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},455,"84935","I think we live a mix of... oligarchy with socialism.",3160.48,3166.46,{"idx":2932,"utterance_id":2933,"speaker_name":8,"text":2934,"start_s":2935,"end_s":2936,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},456,"84936","It's a mix that may even sound like capitalism, but it has nothing to do with real capitalism.",3166.74,3175.22,{"idx":2938,"utterance_id":2939,"speaker_name":8,"text":2940,"start_s":2941,"end_s":2942,"word_count":128,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":2943,"target_proposition":2944,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":487,"rationale":2945,"indexable":391},457,"84937","I think what we really need is to remove all these privileges, all these subsidies, and turn the whole of Brazil into a free trade zone.",3175.66,3184.2,"a77bfdda-b46f-4479-b42f-250eb0fed397","reduce subsidies and privileges for business owners","Explicitly proposes 'tirar todas essas... subsídios'.",{"idx":2947,"utterance_id":2948,"speaker_name":8,"text":2949,"start_s":2950,"end_s":2951,"word_count":67,"indexable":13},458,"84938","If the free trade zone works in Manaus, why not make a free trade zone across the whole of Brazil?",3184.5,3187.68,{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":8,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},459,"84939","Imagine if the whole of Brazil were a Manaus free trade zone.",3187.88,3190.28,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":8,"text":2961,"start_s":2962,"end_s":2963,"word_count":624,"indexable":13},460,"84940","Then yes, you could say, fine, now it's capitalism: you have the Manaus free trade zone across all of Brazil, you can import, you have competition, you can export, you can compete with external players. That would indeed be the way to open up competitiveness, bring in technology and then, yes, build a Formula 1 team, form teams, build an aerospace industry, a nuclear industry and work with cutting-edge technology, because people also don't understand the value: we will be able to evolve as a nation if we have technology, if we develop technology.",3191.5,3226.68,{"idx":2965,"utterance_id":2966,"speaker_name":8,"text":2967,"start_s":2968,"end_s":2969,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},461,"84941","There is no progress without technological development.",3227.14,3230.32,{"idx":2971,"utterance_id":2972,"speaker_name":8,"text":2973,"start_s":2974,"end_s":2975,"word_count":212,"indexable":13},462,"84942","And if we don't focus on that and it isn't the main point—talking about how we align all the incentives for technological development—Brazil won't go anywhere.",3230.74,3239.24,{"idx":2977,"utterance_id":2978,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2979,"start_s":2980,"end_s":2981,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},463,"84943","Look, Lucas... that's a really, really thoughtful reflection, okay, man?",3240.56,3246.24,{"idx":2983,"utterance_id":2984,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2985,"start_s":2986,"end_s":2987,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},464,"84944","I'm being very honest, man—this was a great live stream.",3246.46,3249.62,{"idx":2989,"utterance_id":2990,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":2991,"start_s":2992,"end_s":2993,"word_count":118,"indexable":13},465,"84945","And it actually wasn't even a live about Formula 1 or about developing a team.",3249.94,3253.6,{"idx":2995,"utterance_id":2996,"speaker_name":8,"text":2997,"start_s":2998,"end_s":2999,"word_count":52,"indexable":13},466,"84946","Actually, I don't even know much about Formula 1, right?",3253.92,3257.68,{"idx":3001,"utterance_id":3002,"speaker_name":8,"text":3003,"start_s":3004,"end_s":3005,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},467,"84947","We talked more about Brazil, but thanks.",3257.82,3259.7,{"idx":3007,"utterance_id":3008,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":3009,"start_s":3010,"end_s":3011,"word_count":302,"indexable":13},468,"84948","But it's true, because, like, this focus—we talked today about, one, how the gains in technology provided by artificial intelligence will allow us to cut the existing gap. There's a huge gap; we can reduce that gap.",3259.78,3276.7,{"idx":3013,"utterance_id":3014,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":3015,"start_s":3016,"end_s":3017,"word_count":153,"indexable":13},469,"84949","At the same time, since we have self-sabotage, the tendency is that the gap, if we do nothing, will increase.",3277.12,3281.58,{"idx":3019,"utterance_id":3020,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":3021,"start_s":3022,"end_s":3023,"word_count":235,"indexable":13},470,"84950","Because it will be useless to have the technology if you can't implement it, if you can't start the company, if the cost of capital to get it running simply isn't worth it.",3282.52,3290.66,{"idx":3025,"utterance_id":3026,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":3027,"start_s":3028,"end_s":3029,"word_count":45,"indexable":13},471,"84951","Which is what Brazil is becoming.",3291.06,3292.24,{"idx":3031,"utterance_id":3032,"speaker_name":56,"speaker_slug":57,"text":3033,"start_s":3034,"end_s":3035,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":3036,"target_proposition":3037,"stance":388,"stance_confidence":499,"rationale":3038,"indexable":391},472,"84952","Brazil is becoming a country where interest rates reach an... a limit that is unacceptable, and taxation keeps rising, so the cost of products increases, the cost of money is expensive, we are slaves, and someone who is a slave doesn't even make a Formula 1 team, doesn't do anything. 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