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I'm the one who is grateful for being able, through your blog, through your podcast, to speak to Pernambuco, to the Northeast, to São Paulo, to Brazil, and to the Brazilian people.",64.6,75.36,31,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":71,"speaker_name":8,"text":72,"start_s":73,"end_s":74,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},"69481","Whoever can win over the hearts of Northeasterners in São Paulo wins the election?",76.1,80.62,13,{"idx":12,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},"69482","I have no doubt.",82.16,83,{"idx":82,"utterance_id":83,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":84,"start_s":85,"end_s":86,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},10,"69483","Besides, you get to know people in moments like these, right, Magno?",83.92,90.3,{"idx":88,"utterance_id":89,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":90,"start_s":91,"end_s":92,"word_count":93,"indexable":13},11,"69484","The first thing people said when I came to contest the pre-candidacy for the Senate, at the invitation of President Lula and Vice President Geraldo Alckmin, as one of the opponents put it, was to say the following: 'São Paulo belongs to Paulistas, not to anyone else,' and that I would be an outsider like so many others.",90.36,110.22,52,{"idx":95,"utterance_id":96,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":97,"start_s":98,"end_s":99,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},12,"69485","And my response was exactly this.",110.9,113.24,{"idx":75,"utterance_id":101,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":102,"start_s":103,"end_s":104,"word_count":105,"indexable":13},"69486","São Paulo would be nothing without this wonderful mix of peoples, starting with foreign immigrants, of whom my grandparents were part — I am the granddaughter of Lebanese immigrants who came to the state of São Paulo before moving to Mato Grosso do Sul.",113.96,131.6,46,{"idx":107,"utterance_id":108,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":109,"start_s":110,"end_s":111,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},14,"69487","And if it weren't for the people who came from all corners, and I strongly cited the Northeastern people, who made and continue to make the history of this great land that is São Paulo — which is without a doubt the largest state, the strongest, and the richest state of the Brazilian Federation.",132.78,147.74,49,{"idx":114,"utterance_id":115,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":116,"start_s":117,"end_s":118,"word_count":119,"indexable":13},15,"69488","And if you'll allow me a joke, since this is a podcast, one of the happiest moments, Magno — I think one day you should write this, journalists who are listening — because there are times when some people are enlightened.",148.34,160.34,41,{"idx":121,"utterance_id":122,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":123,"start_s":124,"end_s":125,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},16,"69489","In a speech at my joining the PSB, Geraldo Alckmin, who is very playful and knows how to tell a joke like few others, right?",160.9,169.68,19,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},"69490","Yes.",170.54,170.6,{"idx":47,"utterance_id":133,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":134,"start_s":135,"end_s":136,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},"69491","And he was governor of São Paulo four times, so he has legitimacy for that.",170.96,175.22,{"idx":126,"utterance_id":138,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":139,"start_s":140,"end_s":141,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},"69492","He said like this: 'Simone, come calmly, don't worry, because São Paulo... 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I am part of a broad front; he knows I'm a centrist, and although our relationship is very close — we used to meet constantly — it wasn't President Lula who made the offer; he acted as an intermediary. 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we'll be dialoguing, talking, and asking for votes at the appropriate time from the population.",407.18,417.26,{"idx":372,"utterance_id":373,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":374,"start_s":375,"end_s":376,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},56,"69529","of São Paulo.",419.34,419.96,{"idx":378,"utterance_id":379,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":380,"start_s":381,"end_s":382,"word_count":250,"indexable":13},57,"69530","Many people link the possibility of the São Paulo gubernatorial race being decided in the first round with it potentially disrupting the electoral process for a possible presidential runoff.",420.3,434.68,{"idx":384,"utterance_id":385,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":386,"start_s":387,"end_s":388,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},58,"69531","Why?",435.1,435.46,{"idx":390,"utterance_id":391,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":392,"start_s":393,"end_s":394,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},59,"69532","Because, according to polls, unlike other times, the State of São Paulo has a quarter of the electorate.",435.82,441,{"idx":396,"utterance_id":397,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":398,"start_s":399,"end_s":400,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},60,"69533","But, unlike other times, São Paulo has never been so decisive.",441.46,445.18,{"idx":402,"utterance_id":403,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":404,"start_s":405,"end_s":406,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},61,"69534","Who is going to decide the election?",445.28,446.88,{"idx":408,"utterance_id":409,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":410,"start_s":411,"end_s":412,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},62,"69535","By today's polls, it's the State of São Paulo, across all the breakdowns that are made.",447.58,452.26,{"idx":414,"utterance_id":415,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":416,"start_s":417,"end_s":418,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},63,"69536","We have the strengthening of President Lula in Minas Gerais, so therefore the focus is São Paulo.",453.04,460.2,{"idx":420,"utterance_id":421,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":422,"start_s":423,"end_s":424,"word_count":323,"indexable":13},64,"69537","But I, personally, don't believe that a race ending in the first round — and I don't think it will end then, but if it did at the state level — would hinder our project in the second round, because I don't believe Tarcísio de Freitas will be participating in the presidential runoff.",460.7,479.14,{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":221,"indexable":13},65,"69538","He has no personal interest in supporting the Bolsonaro family in the second round, because he is a potential presidential candidate — he positions himself, I have no doubt in his mind, as a presidential hopeful in 2030.",479.5,492,{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},66,"69539","So, he has no interest in that family's election.",492.04,495.96,{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},67,"69540","Consequently, I think any result at the state level does not interfere with a possible national second round.",496.3,503.38,{"idx":444,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":8,"text":446,"start_s":447,"end_s":448,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},68,"69541","Minister, we've been following in the media this infighting within the Bolsonaro family, including many attacks on former first lady Michele.",504.74,516.34,{"idx":450,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":8,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},69,"69542","And it's a family that has a tradition of misogyny.",516.38,520.58,{"idx":456,"utterance_id":457,"speaker_name":8,"text":458,"start_s":459,"end_s":460,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},70,"69543","How do you see these attacks against Michele?",521.26,524.52,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":8,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},71,"69544","by the stepson?",525.34,526.96,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":366,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":475,"target_proposition":476,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":478,"indexable":335},72,"69545","Well, first it's very sad; I sympathize with her. We are from absolutely antagonistic currents; we are in opposition, but as a woman I want to express solidarity, because it only shows that violence against women — whether political or gender-based violence — does not choose color, does not choose social class, does not choose race, and does not choose ideology.",529.02,550.8,"direitos-das-mulheres","Women's Rights","e71b65c6-8cc7-4ef1-99a0-a0ed559b90ba","lead a national effort to combat violence against women",0.9,"expresses solidarity with Michele and condemns violence and misogyny.",{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},73,"69546","But it doesn't surprise me, Magno.",553.06,554.8,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":174,"indexable":13},74,"69547","It doesn't surprise me that it's happening within their own household, because what they do to Brazilian women has been public and well-known for a long time.",555.54,563.78,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":390,"topic_slug":497,"topic_label":498,"target_id":499,"target_proposition":500,"stance":52,"stance_confidence":501,"rationale":502,"indexable":13},75,"69548","One of my first reactions: I never supported Bolsonaro — it's important to make that clear — I had a candidate for the presidency from my party, the then-MDB, in 2018\u002F2019. So I never voted for Bolsonaro, and right away, during his term as senator, I began to oppose him, among other things because of that misogyny.",564.22,586.16,"filiacao-partidaria","Party Membership","ace3bea1-e599-4b86-863d-676b5f2b3c43","oppose Bolsonaro",0.72,"reports that she never supported Bolsonaro and has become part of the opposition.",{"idx":504,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":306,"indexable":13},76,"69549","Now, this shows — and this is why it's important to open and awaken the eyes of Brazilian women — if they are doing and proposing such backward measures for Brazilian women even before sitting in office, what will they propose once they are actually in office?",586.78,604.54,{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":515,"indexable":13},77,"69550","And I mean, not only this horrific airing of dirty laundry within the family, made public, as if Brazil didn't still have so much inequality and so many problems across so many areas to be solved, but also as already signaling that they understand — and there's a video out there, clearly horrific, in the words of a disgusting journalist; I don't have the courage to say what it's about — where, among other things, they argue along a very minority American line as well, that women vote poorly, and that single women vote...",604.58,640.72,89,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":396,"indexable":13},78,"69551","even worse, because the married woman at least votes under her husband's guidance, which is not true, because we women listen to our partners, our partners listen to us; sometimes we swap votes — it has happened to me: my husband says, 'vote for my candidate for city council,' I say, 'then vote for my candidate for mayor' — it's all resolved.",640.8,659.18,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},79,"69552","That's how we do it in a democracy; that's the beauty of a marriage, of a union — but not in the minds of some of them, no.",659.54,665,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},80,"69553","In the minds of some of them, the theory they are promoting is this. Why?",665.34,669.04,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},81,"69554","In some's minds, what they want is one vote per family.",669.38,673.26,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},82,"69555","That that vote should always be the man's, even for the children; only the man votes in the household.",673.8,678.96,{"idx":80,"utterance_id":547,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":548,"start_s":549,"end_s":550,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},"69556","So, this is the level of backwardness.",679.58,681.98,{"idx":552,"utterance_id":553,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":554,"start_s":555,"end_s":556,"word_count":114,"indexable":13},84,"69557","In a country like ours, with so many problems, then, this is shooting yourself in the foot, right?",682.56,687.36,{"idx":558,"utterance_id":559,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":560,"start_s":561,"end_s":562,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},85,"69558","All of this leads me to believe that it is increasingly likely — it's only a suggestion — that we may indeed, at the national level, be close to a decision settled in the first round of these elections.",688.14,703.06,{"idx":564,"utterance_id":565,"speaker_name":8,"text":566,"start_s":567,"end_s":568,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},86,"69559","Very well, let's move on to the questions from our contributors.",704.26,707.86,{"idx":570,"utterance_id":571,"speaker_name":8,"text":572,"start_s":573,"end_s":574,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},87,"69560","I'm Fernando Rego Barros, director of journalism at TV Tribuna here in Pernambuco.",708.84,713.2,{"idx":576,"utterance_id":577,"speaker_name":8,"text":578,"start_s":579,"end_s":580,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},88,"69561","Minister and now pre-candidate for the Senate from São Paulo, Simone Tebet.",713.66,718.48,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":582,"speaker_name":8,"text":583,"start_s":584,"end_s":585,"word_count":312,"indexable":13},"69562","I'd like to know the following: you have President Lula's support, you agreed to run for the Senate in São Paulo at President Lula's request, and in the latest polls for the Senate... you and former minister Marina Silva are leading those polls.",719.16,737.38,{"idx":587,"utterance_id":588,"speaker_name":8,"text":589,"start_s":590,"end_s":591,"word_count":250,"indexable":13},90,"69563","My question is this: do you think this trend among São Paulo's electorate will continue, given that São Paulo voters are, for the most part, conservative and therefore more to the right?",737.86,752.76,{"idx":593,"utterance_id":594,"speaker_name":8,"text":595,"start_s":596,"end_s":597,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},91,"69564","Will the two senators elected by São Paulo be two women, you and Marina Silva?",753.24,761.36,{"idx":599,"utterance_id":600,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":601,"start_s":602,"end_s":603,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},92,"69565","Fernando, your question is so interesting to be asked right now.",763.34,767.42,{"idx":605,"utterance_id":606,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":607,"start_s":608,"end_s":609,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},93,"69566","From Magno, who just asked me, a line of reasoning has just occurred to me that I will try out later.",767.48,773.62,{"idx":611,"utterance_id":612,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":613,"start_s":614,"end_s":615,"word_count":616,"indexable":13},94,"69567","I dare say that that unfortunate remark by Paulo Figueiredo, those attacks on Michele or on women, the hate speech on social networks from the far right, are beginning to strengthen the perception among decent men, who are the majority in Brazil — I always emphasize that. And that is why I say that those who have to speak out against violence, against women, against femicide, are the 95% of men in Brazil who are not violent toward their partners, because only 5% — I'm guessing here, it could even be 10%, but not more than that.",774.32,805.96,95,{"idx":616,"utterance_id":618,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":619,"start_s":620,"end_s":621,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},"69568","that kills, that assaults, that beats up and so on.",806.02,808.9,{"idx":623,"utterance_id":624,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":625,"start_s":626,"end_s":627,"word_count":372,"topic_slug":628,"topic_label":629,"target_id":630,"target_proposition":631,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":633,"indexable":335},96,"69569","But I'm linking this to say the following: within this perspective, this discourse, I think there's also a growing movement, not just women voting for women, because that already happens — it didn't in the past, but it does now — but a perception of the need for more women in politics to be defending achievements, not only women's achievements.",809.44,830.52,"representacao-politica","Political Representation","3eb238b5-24cd-4032-9723-0406c3f48f3f","increase female participation in activism and party membership",0.88,"explicitly states that a movement for more women in politics is growing.",{"idx":635,"utterance_id":636,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":637,"start_s":638,"end_s":639,"word_count":408,"topic_slug":640,"topic_label":641,"target_id":642,"target_proposition":643,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":644,"rationale":645,"indexable":335},97,"69570","The family's achievements, which include owning a home, access to school, access to daycare, ensuring that a daughter is respected in her body, that a granddaughter is respected in her integrity, our elderly women and men — because women have this very strong social agenda of protection.",831.16,849.62,"politica-social","Social Policy","bf1bc29a-4199-4a7e-8084-c3ccd4c7c50b","implement more measures to support families",0.8,"lists daycare, school, and home ownership as achievements that must be defended.",{"idx":647,"utterance_id":648,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":649,"start_s":650,"end_s":651,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},98,"69571","And so... linking to your question, Fernanda, I am very optimistic.",850.38,853.88,{"idx":653,"utterance_id":654,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":655,"start_s":656,"end_s":657,"word_count":239,"indexable":13},99,"69572","that, although it is a conservative State, and I know how to engage in dialogue, because I am from the interior of Brazil, so I know conservative women, I live with these women, I understand these women, I respect these women.",854.26,866.46,{"idx":659,"utterance_id":660,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":661,"start_s":662,"end_s":663,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},100,"69573","Not just me... like Marina Silva, we have a very good chance.",867.46,870.68,{"idx":665,"utterance_id":666,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":386,"start_s":667,"end_s":668,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},101,"69574",871.08,871.42,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":215,"indexable":13},102,"69575","It's not because I'm more conservative and she more progressive on the ideological agenda — that's not what it's about; I'm a centrist, but it's really about the gender agenda.",871.76,882.18,{"idx":172,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},"69576","it's the fact of the two of us being women presenting ourselves to help Brazil.",882.5,886.04,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},104,"69577","And if you allow me to just extend this question, Fernando, the team that was put together here I would say is worthy of a Brazilian national team.",886.66,896.58,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":256,"indexable":13},105,"69578","We're talking here, on our side, among the pre-candidate for governor, the running mate, two Senate slots and the vice-presidency of the Republic for São Paulo — five positions; of those five, four were presidential candidates.",897,911.86,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},106,"69579","I'll repeat: of the five on the major-ticket here on our side, four have been candidates for the Presidency of the Republic.",912.3,917.78,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},107,"69580","Of the five, three have been governors.",918.4,920.96,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},108,"69581","Of the five, I think two or three have been mayors.",921.86,924.88,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},109,"69582","And all have been ministers of State.",926.72,928.34,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},110,"69583","What a team — experienced, capable, with a record of public service.",928.66,934.04,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":186,"indexable":13},111,"69584","I think this, Fernando, will have more impact than the fact that Marina is not so... Although she is as well; she is an evangelical woman, anyway.",934.36,943.22,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":262,"indexable":13},112,"69585","I think we have a... good duo, capable of dialoguing with all segments and of telling the men of São Paulo that we need their vote at the right moment, obviously, to get off to a good start in this contest.",944,959.18,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":8,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},113,"69586","Minister, you mentioned about the ticket, as we say here in the Northeast, too many chiefs and not enough Indians.",960.84,966.74,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":8,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":227,"indexable":13},114,"69587","I would ask the following: did this difficulty — let's say these prominent leaders on the ticket, governors, presidential candidates — at some point create difficulties in forming the ticket?",968.42,983.38,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":8,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":256,"indexable":13},115,"69588","I remember that last week we had to cancel our podcast here because there was a snag in the ticket and you had to come to Brasília, Lula had to intervene and so on.",983.42,995.84,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":8,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},116,"69589","Was it from your coming here last week that you were able to close the ticket?",996.3,1000.54,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":616,"indexable":13},117,"69590","That's right, but actually it wasn't that there was a snag; up until then we hadn't yet sat down collectively to decide. I hadn't talked with Márcio, Márcio hadn't talked with Marina, Marina hadn't talked with me — we were waiting for that meeting. Actually, it was called; there was a moment when the president said, 'come here, you take advantage and get in the game,' and I take this opportunity to apologize to you, because when the president calls, the call is like Ancelotti — he calls... you go onto the pitch, figure it out and score the goal.",1002.06,1030.72,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},118,"69591","And then it was within less than 24 hours, I think, I don't remember, the president called and said, look, I want to resolve this soon.",1031.4,1036.98,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},119,"69592","It didn't last — no lie — the meeting didn't last half an hour, Magno.",1037.66,1040.92,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},120,"69593","The meeting didn't last half an hour.",1041.68,1043.18,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},121,"69594","So many chiefs, all those I mentioned — it didn't last half an hour.",1044.26,1047.24,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":386,"start_s":791,"end_s":792,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},122,"69595",1047.54,1047.76,{"idx":794,"utterance_id":795,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":796,"start_s":797,"end_s":798,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},123,"69596","The president said the following: look, folks, is the project collective?",1047.84,1050.6,{"idx":800,"utterance_id":801,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":802,"start_s":803,"end_s":804,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},124,"69597","We said yes. I'm giving away a spoiler of what happened behind the scenes.",1050.66,1054.66,{"idx":806,"utterance_id":807,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":808,"start_s":809,"end_s":810,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},125,"69598","And besides, everyone wanted to watch the game afterwards.",1055.24,1057.72,{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},126,"69599","We went and ended up watching the game with the president.",1057.78,1060.28,{"idx":818,"utterance_id":819,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":820,"start_s":821,"end_s":822,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},127,"69600","We were lucky; it was a beautiful game.",1060.36,1062.24,{"idx":824,"utterance_id":825,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":826,"start_s":827,"end_s":828,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},128,"69601","And he said, does Haddad have autonomy?",1062.96,1068.38,{"idx":830,"utterance_id":831,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":832,"start_s":833,"end_s":834,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},129,"69602","Haddad said, no, I've already spoken with each one, I made clear that the three are important to the project; I thought about it a lot.",1068.5,1074.26,{"idx":836,"utterance_id":837,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":838,"start_s":839,"end_s":840,"word_count":215,"indexable":13},130,"69603","And I just want to know the following: I have... I have the right to choose — would you accept me making the option I think ideal, which is the best for the team?",1074.68,1085.34,{"idx":842,"utterance_id":843,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":844,"start_s":845,"end_s":846,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},131,"69604","We all said we relinquish any personal intentions, Haddad.",1086.2,1090.96,{"idx":848,"utterance_id":849,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":850,"start_s":851,"end_s":852,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},132,"69605","What matters is deciding collectively.",1091.44,1093.32,{"idx":854,"utterance_id":855,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":856,"start_s":857,"end_s":858,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},133,"69606","Without the President of the Republic, we don't have the country we want.",1094.08,1096.84,{"idx":860,"utterance_id":861,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":862,"start_s":863,"end_s":864,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},134,"69607","And if we need São Paulo to reelect President Lula, we here are a consequence of the process.",1097.2,1103.02,{"idx":866,"utterance_id":867,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":868,"start_s":869,"end_s":870,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},135,"69608","Even though I had come to São Paulo with the commitment to be a candidate for the Senate.",1103.58,1108.8,{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":36,"topic_slug":877,"topic_label":878,"target_id":879,"target_proposition":880,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":881,"rationale":882,"indexable":13},136,"69609","I give that up.",1109.32,1110.48,"composicao-de-chapa","Ticket Composition","24da1efb-7873-4577-926d-4e41563737a2","forgo Senate candidacy to prioritize the collective project",0.92,"declares having given up the candidacy in favor of the collective project.",{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},137,"69610","Marina, the same thing.",1110.8,1111.98,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},138,"69611","Márcio, the same.",1112.14,1113.14,{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},139,"69612","So Haddad said, I've already decided.",1113.2,1114.9,{"idx":902,"utterance_id":903,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":904,"start_s":905,"end_s":906,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},140,"69613","Can I announce tomorrow?",1115.9,1117.48,{"idx":908,"utterance_id":909,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":910,"start_s":911,"end_s":912,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},141,"69614","We were all curious, of course, to know who it was, but we said, of course you can.",1118.24,1123,{"idx":914,"utterance_id":915,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":916,"start_s":917,"end_s":918,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},142,"69615","So, anyway, the next day, I swear, it's not a joke.",1123.28,1127.78,{"idx":920,"utterance_id":921,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":922,"start_s":923,"end_s":924,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},143,"69616","If it lasted 40 minutes... I don't know, I didn't time it.",1127.88,1131.52,{"idx":926,"utterance_id":927,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":928,"start_s":929,"end_s":930,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},144,"69617","Meetings with the president are endless, usually an hour and a half, two, three — he really likes to listen and debate.",1131.8,1136.56,{"idx":932,"utterance_id":933,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":934,"start_s":935,"end_s":936,"word_count":221,"indexable":13},145,"69618","It was a very quick meeting; I don't think it lasted that long, 30-40 minutes, and even with the national president of PSB, the national president of PT, who was there, so it was very calm.",1136.96,1147.48,{"idx":938,"utterance_id":939,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":940,"start_s":941,"end_s":942,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},146,"69619","We are like this.",1147.82,1148.58,{"idx":944,"utterance_id":945,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":946,"start_s":947,"end_s":948,"word_count":93,"indexable":13},147,"69620","very cohesive as a team, working collectively, again making an analogy with the Brazilian national team: each time someone scores, we were expecting so much a goal from Vini, the qualifying goal didn't come, goals came from unimaginable people, then comes the question, are you in line to apologize to Casimiro?",1149.06,1167.8,{"idx":950,"utterance_id":951,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":952,"start_s":953,"end_s":954,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},148,"69621","I am, because, well, you have to bring Casimiro on, go on, Casimiro.",1167.92,1172.06,{"idx":956,"utterance_id":957,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":958,"start_s":959,"end_s":960,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},149,"69622","He responds with a goal, right?",1173.06,1174.16,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":963,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":964,"start_s":965,"end_s":966,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},150,"69623","Martinelli, who is on my team, my heart's team, I was saying, Martinelli is going to come on now, right?",1174.52,1178.6,{"idx":968,"utterance_id":969,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":970,"start_s":971,"end_s":972,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},151,"69624","I thought, what a crazy lineup; he's going to give the decisive vote there and then leave.",1178.96,1185.6,{"idx":974,"utterance_id":975,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":976,"start_s":977,"end_s":978,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},152,"69625","But, anyway, I don't even know why I talked about that, it's just because I'm infected by the national team spirit.",1185.88,1191.82,{"idx":980,"utterance_id":981,"speaker_name":8,"text":982,"start_s":983,"end_s":984,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},153,"69626","Minister, what was the impasse on the ticket?",1193.04,1195.28,{"idx":986,"utterance_id":987,"speaker_name":8,"text":988,"start_s":989,"end_s":990,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},154,"69627","We read and followed that it was Márcio França, that he also wanted to be a Senate candidate, he didn't want to be a running mate — was that it?",1195.56,1202.38,{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":273,"indexable":13},155,"69628","Because since no one had spoken with him, there was initially an open slot, because in Márcio's and everyone's mind the president had invited me to be a pre-candidate for the Senate, and I changed party and residence with that objective as well.",1204.02,1218.74,{"idx":998,"utterance_id":999,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1000,"start_s":1001,"end_s":1002,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},156,"69629","He said, well, no one talked to Marina, no one talked to me, I'm going to ask for votes, I'm going to start, and we'll see the polls.",1220.18,1227,{"idx":1004,"utterance_id":1005,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1006,"start_s":1007,"end_s":1008,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},157,"69630","I would do the same thing; it's the natural process.",1227.4,1229.58,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":1011,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1012,"start_s":1013,"end_s":1014,"word_count":432,"topic_slug":1015,"topic_label":1016,"target_id":1017,"target_proposition":1018,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":1019,"indexable":335},158,"69631","But at no time did he put up difficulties in the conversation; when Haddad spoke with him, 'look, Márcio, it's you, I want you,' everyone praised him — praised him because we know he was governor here in São Paulo, he has experience, he has something that Marina and I don't have here in São Paulo, which is this ability to bring together a political core.",1230.48,1251.2,"aliancas-politicas","Political Alliances","bfb9ec4c-d8f0-480c-8777-5f4850892d93","form electoral alliances with left-wing politicians to gain votes","praises the ability to unite the political core and the ally's experience.",{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":468,"topic_slug":1026,"topic_label":1027,"target_id":1028,"target_proposition":1029,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":881,"rationale":1030,"indexable":335},159,"69632","Interestingly from the PSB perspective, he knows all the mayors and former mayors, so he's firm in his positions, he comes with very constructive criticisms; I think it's a beautiful duo, allied with the fact — and again on the women's agenda — it's the only ticket here that has 50% women and 50% men; I don't know if that's the case in Brazil, what a beautiful thing, and the other side, 100% male.",1251.64,1276.84,"igualdade-de-genero","Gender equality","78cc8bfb-b512-4c02-b2ec-117ff5378aa6","promote gender equality in politics","celebrates a ticket with 50% women and 50% men as positive.",{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":8,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},160,"69633","Very well, let's move on to the questions.",1278.56,1280.54,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},161,"69634","This is Betânia Santana from Folha de Pernambuco.",1281.56,1283.8,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":204,"indexable":13},162,"69635","Minister, there was much comment in political circles, while you were in charge of the Ministry of Planning, that the Lula government would be reducing a political potential to a technical potential.",1285.6,1301.66,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},163,"69636","Did you ever feel that way?",1302.56,1305,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},164,"69637","Did you feel you could have contributed more?",1305.48,1308.82,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},165,"69638","Had you been in another role, and which would that have been?",1309.9,1312.72,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},166,"69639","And a second question, if you can answer.",1313.98,1316.48,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},167,"69640","Today you have the mission of strengthening the possible Lula government by being in Congress, in the capacity of a pre-candidate to the Senate.",1318.38,1330.74,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},168,"69641","Is that a mission you like?",1331.88,1333.34,{"idx":1086,"utterance_id":1087,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1088,"start_s":1089,"end_s":1090,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},169,"69642","Or would you prefer to be in a different position on that board?",1334.1,1339.32,{"idx":1092,"utterance_id":1093,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1094,"start_s":1095,"end_s":1096,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},170,"69643","Thank you, Bethânia.",1341.02,1343.22,{"idx":1098,"utterance_id":1099,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1100,"start_s":1101,"end_s":1102,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":1026,"topic_label":1027,"target_id":1103,"target_proposition":1104,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":501,"rationale":1105,"indexable":13},171,"69644","Only a woman's sensitivity can address things that are truly important.",1343.32,1348.12,"a852cd47-afec-46e4-b8a4-037c4f5437a0","value women's perspectives in policymaking","says women's sensitivity touches on important issues.",{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},172,"69645","Many people questioned why I, who am not an economist, would be on an economic portfolio and not a social portfolio.",1348.42,1353.84,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},173,"69646","And, Bethânia, that allows me to recall why I ended up staying on the planning and budget portfolio.",1353.9,1361.04,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},174,"69647","I had... many doubts about joining President Lula's Ministry.",1361.66,1365.48,{"idx":1125,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},175,"69648","When I went to support him, right the day after the first round, I had my manifesto ready; I said, 'Mr. President,' I didn't even let President Lula speak.",1365.92,1375.08,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":233,"indexable":13},176,"69649","I said, 'Mr. President, my manifesto is ready, I'm going to declare my support, because the ballots didn't take two democrats to the second round — there's only one democrat and an offspring from the dictatorship era.'",1375.12,1385.82,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},177,"69650","To me it's very clear... the setbacks of those four years on the social and humanitarian agenda, on the democratic agenda and so on.",1387,1393.86,{"idx":1143,"utterance_id":1144,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1145,"start_s":1146,"end_s":1147,"word_count":69,"topic_slug":1148,"topic_label":1149,"target_id":1150,"target_proposition":1151,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":1152,"indexable":335},178,"69651","And I was going to say in my manifesto that I would not accept a ministry or post to lend legitimacy to my support — a centrist person who on economic matters is center-right.",1394.38,1403.6,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ethics and Public Integrity","461dde0e-0cd8-495c-bbdd-a74bc1d2f14c","refuse positions to avoid legitimizing political support","explicitly states they would not accept a ministerial post to avoid legitimizing support.",{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":105,"indexable":13},179,"69652","although on matters of morals and so on, I am a humanist, I am humanitarian, I am Christian; my faith doesn't allow me to accept injustices, whatever they may be, any kind of injustice and inequality, and I have to lend legitimacy — I will not accept.",1404,1419.5,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":215,"indexable":13},180,"69653","He listened to me after, I don't know how long, and the only thing he said was, 'Don't say you won't accept a ministry, because I need that face of the broad front.'",1419.54,1427.54,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":204,"indexable":13},181,"69654","And then he began to talk to me; he even offered two ministries earlier. 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The government's leader in the Senate, Jax Wagner, was removed, in fact, from the leadership position in the Senate.",1960.24,1970.56,{"idx":1650,"utterance_id":1651,"speaker_name":8,"text":1652,"start_s":1653,"end_s":1654,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},261,"69734","Did President Lula make that decision so as not to contaminate the government, not to drag the government into the Banco Master scandal?",1971.32,1978.7,{"idx":208,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},"69735","Well, first, it wasn't the president, it was the leader himself who decided that after talking to the president.",1979.18,1987.34,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":1662,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1663,"start_s":1664,"end_s":1665,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},263,"69736","And here, in my view, he acted late.",1987.84,1990.06,{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":289,"topic_slug":1148,"topic_label":1149,"target_id":1672,"target_proposition":1673,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":1674,"indexable":335},264,"69737","He should have stepped down... immediately afterwards to say the following, look, this is not true, I will step aside from the leadership precisely to prove my innocence, as anyone has the right to full defense and to adversarial proceedings, whichever side they're on, I am a lawyer.",1990.12,2003.6,"95f6fc8c-a08d-4ff0-838e-9c6a0ad300bb","remove from government leadership in the Senate politicians under suspicion","argues the leader should have stepped aside immediately to prove innocence.",{"idx":1676,"utterance_id":1677,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1678,"start_s":1679,"end_s":1680,"word_count":75,"topic_slug":1681,"topic_label":1682,"target_id":1683,"target_proposition":1684,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":644,"rationale":1685,"indexable":335},265,"69738","But we are talking about serious allegations and allegations that need to be clarified.",2004.26,2007.94,"combate-a-impunidade","Combating Impunity","8cf9b512-5ea6-46f9-b22a-6a055514cc18","investigate and clarify allegations against public officials","says these are serious allegations that need to be clarified.",{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},266,"69739","I don't believe in contamination of the government for one reason, Magno, whoever the people who might be involved are.",2008.6,2015,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},267,"69740","Unfortunately, this is the biggest corruption scandal involving the financial system in Brazil's history.",2015.6,2021.98,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":142,"topic_slug":1681,"topic_label":1682,"target_id":1704,"target_proposition":1705,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":1706,"indexable":335},268,"69741","I don't know if there will ever be another, because now there will have to be legal, oversight mechanisms to prevent this contamination, which is extremely serious.",2022.1,2030.58,"9ebc9fc9-353a-41fb-ae7f-21f70c06830a","prevent, identify, investigate, and punish cases of corruption","says that 'vão ter que ter mecanismos legais, fiscalizatórios' to prevent contamination.",{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},269,"69742","But I don't see that contamination, because this was a spawn, another monstrosity created, the monstrosity of corruption created in the previous government.",2031.18,2041.44,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":818,"indexable":13},270,"69743","We are talking about something orchestrated, the allegations show this, again, he will have the right to his defense, but the allegations show that the former Chief of Staff of former President Bolsonaro, together with the owner of Banco Master, not only on those paradisiacal, millionaire trips and so on, orchestrated a scheme... And to shield themselves, he said, you know that thing about the pig, Magno, when it goes into the mud, everyone jumps in to contaminate one another; if I can't tell who is who, only the little white eye shows and everyone is contaminated, so I'll contaminate everyone, that way the system of checks and balances... One cannot watch the other, cannot control the other, cannot denounce the other, because they're also involved.",2042.06,2085.34,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},271,"69744","So I'll offer what the other wants.",2085.82,2087.54,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},272,"69745","He wants a private jet to go off traveling?",2087.96,2089.62,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},273,"69746","Here, take a private jet.",2089.8,2090.62,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},274,"69747","He wants money in an account in a tax haven?",2090.96,2092.84,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},275,"69748","Here, take the money.",2092.92,2093.64,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":114,"indexable":13},276,"69749","He wants to pay outrageous trips to buy bags and everything else in designer stores?",2094,2100.7,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},277,"69750","Here you go.",2100.8,2101.2,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},278,"69751","And then he contaminated everyone.",2102.08,2103.94,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},279,"69752","And we are very clear about that.",2104.14,2105.68,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":204,"indexable":13},280,"69753","Unfortunately, again... There is no ideology, he didn't choose an ideology, he didn't choose a party, he took a lot of people and took them the way he did, strategically, seeking leaders to be able to surround himself with the powers.",2106.32,2121.18,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},281,"69754","It's so serious because it involves the powers.",2121.38,2123.44,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},282,"69755","So, I don't see that contamination and I see very clearly the fingerprint of the previous government in what is the largest scheme.",2123.86,2131.4,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":337,"topic_slug":1681,"topic_label":1682,"target_id":1797,"target_proposition":1798,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":342,"rationale":1799,"indexable":335},283,"69756","Who did fight in an operation... to catch those at the top, and that also involves the PCC, Comando Vermelho, let's fight organized crime in Brazil by cutting the flow of money in the schemes, which is not just putting the poor in jail, it's catching white-collar crime, who finances it, etc.,",2131.5,2152.4,"6dddfcaf-08ed-401c-9d89-7665aab003d0","combat corruption and money laundering","attributes actions to combat the Federal Police and Public Prosecutor's Office to this government.",{"idx":1801,"utterance_id":1802,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1803,"start_s":1804,"end_s":1805,"word_count":186,"indexable":13},284,"69757","was the Federal Police, the Public Ministry of this government, with the assistance of the states, of course, the state police forces, as happened here in the state of São Paulo.",2153.12,2162.06,{"idx":1807,"utterance_id":1808,"speaker_name":8,"text":1809,"start_s":1810,"end_s":1811,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},285,"69758","Very well, let's move forward with our podcast.",2162.96,2164.96,{"idx":1813,"utterance_id":1814,"speaker_name":8,"text":1815,"start_s":1816,"end_s":1817,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},286,"69759","A hug to you, Magno Martins.",2166.08,2167.84,{"idx":1819,"utterance_id":1820,"speaker_name":8,"text":1821,"start_s":1822,"end_s":1823,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},287,"69760","Greetings to the podcast audience.",2168.02,2169.92,{"idx":1825,"utterance_id":1826,"speaker_name":8,"text":1827,"start_s":1828,"end_s":1829,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},288,"69761","Eron Cid speaking here from Rede Mais in João Pessoa, Paraíba.",2170.2,2173.52,{"idx":1831,"utterance_id":1832,"speaker_name":8,"text":1833,"start_s":1834,"end_s":1835,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},289,"69762","Minister Simone Tebet, in 2022 the major debate of the campaign was the defense of democracy in Brazil.",2174.24,2181.84,{"idx":1837,"utterance_id":1838,"speaker_name":8,"text":1839,"start_s":1840,"end_s":1841,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},290,"69763","Indeed, that was the argument for those who supported Lula in the runoff, as in your example.",2181.9,2187.4,{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":8,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},291,"69764","Years have passed and, politically speaking, that rhetoric has run its course.",2188.1,2192.5,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":8,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},292,"69765","Lula is no longer the candidate; he is the President of the Republic, whose government approval is at the center of attention.",2192.72,2200.46,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":8,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},293,"69766","And now in 2026?",2200.88,2202.62,{"idx":1861,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":8,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},294,"69767","What's the difference from 2022?",2203.46,2205.24,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":8,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},295,"69768","What will be the main message of the campaign?",2205.84,2208.8,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":8,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},296,"69769","What, in your opinion, will weigh on voters' minds, as they once again head into the contest facing this dichotomy?",2208.86,2215.6,{"idx":236,"utterance_id":1879,"speaker_name":8,"text":1880,"start_s":1881,"end_s":1882,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},"69770","Lula and the PT and Jair Bolsonaro's heir, Senator Flávio Bolsonaro.",2216.54,2221.22,{"idx":1884,"utterance_id":1885,"speaker_name":8,"text":1886,"start_s":1887,"end_s":1888,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},298,"69771","What do you think will make the difference?",2221.6,2224.24,{"idx":1890,"utterance_id":1891,"speaker_name":8,"text":1892,"start_s":1893,"end_s":1894,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},299,"69772","And what should be the message from the government and President Lula for this process that, in effect, is also plebiscitary?",2224.28,2230.82,{"idx":1896,"utterance_id":1897,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1898,"start_s":1899,"end_s":1900,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},300,"69773","Excellent question, Eron.",2233.4,2237.18,{"idx":1902,"utterance_id":1903,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1904,"start_s":1905,"end_s":1906,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":1907,"topic_label":1908,"target_id":1909,"target_proposition":1910,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":1911,"indexable":335},301,"69774","We translate all of this as sovereignty, but let's explain what that is: the defense of Brazil, of our identity.",2237.52,2243.94,"soberania-nacional","National Sovereignty","525eb2ae-0581-40ae-a1f5-c5a8e9043260","preserve national sovereignty and protect decisions regarding natural resources","defines the agenda as defense of Brazil, identity, and autonomy.",{"idx":1913,"utterance_id":1914,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1915,"start_s":1916,"end_s":1917,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":1907,"topic_label":1908,"target_id":1918,"target_proposition":1919,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":1920,"indexable":335},302,"69775","Of our autonomy, of regulating ourselves and saying what we want for ourselves, preventing the interference of any country—whether China, the United States, Japan, or Europe—from coming to dictate what happens in our backyard.",2244.42,2257.06,"28964935-45a4-4a2b-b60f-d3278a3485fe","prevent foreign interference in national politics","asks to prevent China, the US, or Europe from 'mandem no nosso quintal'.",{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},303,"69776","We are the ones who rule our backyard; we resolve our own problems.",2257.6,2260.76,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":360,"indexable":13},304,"69777","Because we know that if outsiders come, they come to do what they did in Colonial Brazil—back then we were a colony, now we are no longer—to do what they did there: take all of Brazil's riches away, without creating jobs, leaving a trail of misery and violence behind.",2261.2,2277.54,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":198,"topic_slug":1907,"topic_label":1908,"target_id":1939,"target_proposition":1940,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":1941,"indexable":335},305,"69778","I'm basically saying, of course, that we have a president today who defends Brazil's autonomy, Brazil's sovereignty, Brazil's wealth and says, 'we want foreign capital.'",2277.74,2287.04,"6172d4b2-83b0-4213-9341-6dbb899755f7","attract foreign investment under Brazilian rules to create jobs","says they want foreign capital, 'mas venham sob as nossas regras' to create jobs.",{"idx":1943,"utterance_id":1944,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1945,"start_s":1946,"end_s":1947,"word_count":289,"topic_slug":1907,"topic_label":1908,"target_id":1939,"target_proposition":1940,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":1948,"indexable":335},306,"69779","Come, we don't care about the color of that money, but come under our rules, to generate industry, thereby strengthening the services and retail sectors, and reaching the end point, the neighborhood market, creating jobs and incomes with wages valued for the Brazilian population.",2287.36,2304.52,"repeats that investments should produce industries and jobs under national rules.",{"idx":1950,"utterance_id":1951,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1952,"start_s":1953,"end_s":1954,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":1907,"topic_label":1908,"target_id":1955,"target_proposition":1956,"stance":1957,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":1958,"indexable":335},307,"69780","The other side doesn't; the other side wants to sell Brazil.",2304.9,2307.12,"9fdfa42b-d642-4806-b473-366295682e94","sell the country's strategic assets to foreign interests","contra","accuses the 'outro lado' of wanting to 'vender o Brasil' and criticizes that stance.",{"idx":1960,"utterance_id":1961,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1962,"start_s":1963,"end_s":1964,"word_count":119,"indexable":13},308,"69781","I already said the following, look... Go ahead and raise the tariffs on the products if you want—the products that Brazilians export, what agribusiness exports, what industry exports—go ahead and raise the tariff there, because we want to win President Lula's election.",2307.46,2321.02,{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":119,"indexable":13},309,"69782","A second point as serious as that: a document signed by a presidential hopeful saying the following: 'look, if I'm elected, you will come here with your transition team to say what you want from Brazil'—we know what they want.",2321.46,2333.38,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":1977,"topic_label":1978,"target_id":1979,"target_proposition":1980,"stance":1957,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":1981,"indexable":335},310,"69783","They want our rare earths, critical minerals, which—just for the public to understand, because one day it will be easier to understand when things come—are almost like diamonds and gold.",2333.8,2343.52,"recursos-naturais-e-soberania","Natural Resources and Sovereignty","1d5b3cec-3140-464f-ace3-a34ecd09fabd","allow foreign exploitation and control of critical minerals","warns that a presidential hopeful wants the country's 'terras raras' and mineable resources.",{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},311,"69784","It was in the colonial era; these are those critical minerals essential to our lives.",2343.64,2348.5,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},312,"69785","They're everywhere; they're in the cellphone I'm using here.",2348.54,2350.82,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},313,"69786","They're in the headphones, they're in the refrigerator, they're in the television, they're in the car— they're in everything in our lives.",2351.64,2355.96,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},314,"69787","And Brazil has the second-largest reserve in the world, and the world needs it; it's in the airplane, it's everywhere, it's in the robots that will appear in the future.",2356.02,2362.46,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":69,"indexable":13},315,"69788","And beyond that, which is very serious—and this is a feeling Brazilians have, it's very strong—our nationalism screams when someone steps on it.",2363.32,2376.02,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":47,"topic_slug":2018,"topic_label":2019,"target_id":2020,"target_proposition":2021,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2022,"indexable":335},316,"69789","And the second point is the defense of our... our social rights, that is, preventing civilizational backsliding.",2376.96,2385.46,"direitos-civis","Civil rights","4393c2cf-c6d2-49b1-bb12-4f97ce06655c","preserve public assets and maintain social rights","explicitly states that the agenda is to prevent civilizational backsliding.",{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":250,"indexable":13},317,"69790","Because if they assume power, they want, they have an agenda that is not the agenda of the Brazilian people, and it's not even the agenda of Brazil's religious population, whatever religion we have.",2386,2397.64,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":186,"topic_slug":2035,"topic_label":2036,"target_id":2037,"target_proposition":2038,"stance":1957,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2039,"indexable":335},318,"69791","Their agenda is to put guns... in people's hands, which will end up in the hands of militias and criminals who beat the children of the poorest.",2398.04,2405.4,"politica-de-armas","Weapons Policy","308ddb6d-1180-447c-8a08-c8f6c6fd6e0e","Allow carrying and possession of firearms for the population","attributes to the other side the agenda of 'colocar arma na mão das pessoas' and criticizes it.",{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":95,"topic_slug":2046,"topic_label":2047,"target_id":2048,"target_proposition":2049,"stance":1957,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2050,"indexable":335},319,"69792","Their agenda is a scorched-earth policy in the Amazon rainforest.",2406,2409.54,"politica-ambiental","Environmental Policy","9a8cc1da-84d2-4837-9287-51c363075403","loosen environmental protections in the Amazon","Says their agenda is 'terra arrasada' and 'dane-se o meio ambiente'.",{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},320,"69793","Their agenda is 'to hell with the environment.'",2410.08,2412.68,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":192,"indexable":13},321,"69794","And mind you, this is coming from someone in the responsible agribusiness, because it exists and is the majority, and they are talking about rollbacks in what is most elementary.",2412.82,2423.4,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2066,"start_s":2067,"end_s":2068,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},322,"69795","And then I finish, Eron, by saying the following: it comes back to... I'm thinking out loud here, you know?",2423.74,2428.62,{"idx":270,"utterance_id":2070,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2071,"start_s":2072,"end_s":2073,"word_count":12,"topic_slug":2074,"topic_label":2075,"target_id":2076,"target_proposition":2077,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2078,"indexable":335},"69796","But the democracy agenda returns once again here.",2429,2431.42,"democracia","Democracy","95ecdce8-b7ed-4a14-be82-9510343c8562","strengthen democracy in Brazil","Reiterates that the democracy agenda has become central again.",{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2082,"start_s":2083,"end_s":2084,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},324,"69797","Do you know why?",2431.5,2431.94,{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":233,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":2091,"target_proposition":2092,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":881,"rationale":2093,"indexable":335},325,"69798","I just spoke about this thing of misogyny—of them thinking that, in their heads, women vote badly, so only men should vote in Brazil; a large part, on the other side, thinks this way.",2432.54,2442.42,"09d5dc95-5e43-4d74-8fd0-21c3e6f9882f","expand women's political participation and elect more women","Criticizes misogyny and says women must vote; defends women's participation.",{"idx":2095,"utterance_id":2096,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2097,"start_s":2098,"end_s":2099,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":2091,"target_proposition":2092,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2100,"indexable":335},326,"69799","There is no democracy without women's participation.",2443.14,2446,"Says there is no democracy without women's participation.",{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},327,"69800","It's not about mandates, no.",2446.12,2447.62,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":62,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":2091,"target_proposition":2092,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2113,"indexable":13},328,"69801","There is no democracy without a female vote.",2447.98,2449.72,"Reiterates that democracy requires women's voting.",{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},329,"69802","It's not democracy.",2450.2,2450.86,{"idx":2121,"utterance_id":2122,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2123,"start_s":2124,"end_s":2125,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":2074,"topic_label":2075,"target_id":2126,"target_proposition":2127,"stance":52,"stance_confidence":644,"rationale":2128,"indexable":13},330,"69803","Democracy is the decision of the majority.",2451.32,2453.7,"1c16747c-417b-4591-95e6-829c19b26c83","guarantee democratic selection of governing officials","Defines democracy as the decision of the majority without proposing a specific action.",{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":2091,"target_proposition":2092,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2135,"indexable":335},331,"69804","If women are unable to vote, it won't be the majority deciding Brazil's fate.",2454.56,2458.68,"Warns that if women don't vote the majority won't decide; defends women's voting.",{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":12,"topic_slug":2074,"topic_label":2075,"target_id":2142,"target_proposition":2143,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2144,"indexable":335},332,"69805","So democracy means men and women going to the polls.",2459.18,2462.08,"2c71458a-1635-4b9a-b6e6-bfb579cd8258","guarantee women's political participation","Links democracy to the turnout of men and women at the polls.",{"idx":2146,"utterance_id":2147,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2148,"start_s":2149,"end_s":2150,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":473,"topic_label":474,"target_id":2091,"target_proposition":2092,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2151,"indexable":335},333,"69806","If there is an indication of a candidate who thinks that women shouldn't vote because they 'vote badly', because they don't vote for them, it starts there.",2462.4,2468.88,"Criticizes a candidate who thinks women should not vote and defends women's inclusion.",{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},334,"69807","So I return to the matter; perhaps we have to rethink even the phrase you used—I'm thinking out loud here.",2468.94,2474.52,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":390,"topic_slug":2164,"topic_label":2165,"target_id":2166,"target_proposition":2167,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":2168,"indexable":335},335,"69808","Perhaps, again regrettably, 2026 will be the year to discuss, beyond sovereignty, which is our nationality, beyond preventing a rollback of human rights and so on, and beyond social and labor rights and raising the minimum wage above inflation, that regrettably democracy itself will once again be a relevant subject in this electoral debate.",2474.96,2498.16,"politica-trabalhista","Labor policy","640be3bb-1b01-4768-a668-97f70e73f6cd","increase the minimum wage","Supports raising the minimum wage above inflation.",{"idx":2170,"utterance_id":2171,"speaker_name":8,"text":2172,"start_s":2173,"end_s":2174,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},336,"69809","Very well, Minister, let's go to another question.",2499,2501.28,{"idx":2176,"utterance_id":2177,"speaker_name":8,"text":194,"start_s":2178,"end_s":2179,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},337,"69810",2502.66,2503.32,{"idx":2181,"utterance_id":2182,"speaker_name":8,"text":2183,"start_s":2184,"end_s":2185,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},338,"69811","Hello, Minister Simone Tebet.",2504.18,2505.9,{"idx":2187,"utterance_id":2188,"speaker_name":8,"text":2189,"start_s":2190,"end_s":2191,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},339,"69812","I'm Marcelo Tonhozzi, from Poder 360, and it's a great pleasure to be here with you today.",2506.02,2514.82,{"idx":2193,"utterance_id":2194,"speaker_name":8,"text":2195,"start_s":2196,"end_s":2197,"word_count":82,"indexable":13},340,"69813","Minister, my question for you is the following.",2515.4,2518.44,{"idx":2199,"utterance_id":2200,"speaker_name":8,"text":2201,"start_s":2202,"end_s":2203,"word_count":221,"indexable":13},341,"69814","You are a candidate for the Senate from São Paulo, which is a state in which you do not have a political tradition, because you have always done politics in Mato Grosso do Sul.",2519.34,2528.8,{"idx":2205,"utterance_id":2206,"speaker_name":8,"text":2207,"start_s":2208,"end_s":2209,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},342,"69815","But I am not going to ask about your candidacy.",2529.78,2532.32,{"idx":2211,"utterance_id":2212,"speaker_name":8,"text":2213,"start_s":2214,"end_s":2215,"word_count":186,"indexable":13},343,"69816","I will ask you how you see the wave of right-wing politics that is, let's say, sweeping the Southern Cone of the Americas.",2532.46,2542.74,{"idx":2217,"utterance_id":2218,"speaker_name":8,"text":2219,"start_s":2220,"end_s":2221,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},344,"69817","We had Chile, we have Argentina, we have Peru, we now have Colombia, we have Ecuador, we have Bolivia, and Venezuela has become a kind of protectorate of the United States.",2544.38,2559.78,{"idx":2223,"utterance_id":2224,"speaker_name":8,"text":2225,"start_s":2226,"end_s":2227,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},345,"69818","I would like to understand the following: how do you see this movement?",2559.94,2564.2,{"idx":2229,"utterance_id":2230,"speaker_name":8,"text":2231,"start_s":2232,"end_s":2233,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},346,"69819","You are running in the election.",2564.42,2566.1,{"idx":2235,"utterance_id":2236,"speaker_name":8,"text":2237,"start_s":2238,"end_s":2239,"word_count":221,"indexable":13},347,"69820","With support from the left, although you have always been a centrist politician, but I would like to understand what view you have of this historic shift we are experiencing.",2566.76,2577.14,{"idx":2241,"utterance_id":2242,"speaker_name":8,"text":2243,"start_s":2244,"end_s":2245,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},348,"69821","Will only Brazil remain?",2577.18,2578.2,{"idx":2247,"utterance_id":2248,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2249,"start_s":2250,"end_s":2251,"word_count":250,"indexable":13},349,"69822","Well, I want Brazil to remain, at least—for Brazil, Marcela—and that's a very good question; thank you for it, because Brazil is the largest political, social and economic force in Latin America.",2580.56,2593.38,{"idx":2253,"utterance_id":2254,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2255,"start_s":2256,"end_s":2257,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},350,"69823","And it has a voice; we are 210 million Brazilians, students, teachers, intellectuals, journalists, politicians who love democracy.",2594.18,2605.2,{"idx":2259,"utterance_id":2260,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2261,"start_s":2262,"end_s":2263,"word_count":174,"indexable":13},351,"69824","And the issue is not about being right or left; that's part of the game, it's a pendulum—history is a pendulum.",2605.92,2611.38,{"idx":2265,"utterance_id":2266,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2267,"start_s":2268,"end_s":2269,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},352,"69825","The problem, and I think that was your question, is the extreme right sweeping South America.",2611.42,2617.72,{"idx":2271,"utterance_id":2272,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2273,"start_s":2274,"end_s":2275,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},353,"69826","Of those countries, one or another is not far-right, it's true, but many of the ones you mentioned...",2618.04,2623.32,{"idx":2277,"utterance_id":2278,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2279,"start_s":2280,"end_s":2281,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},354,"69827","they are far-right.",2624.46,2625.64,{"idx":2283,"utterance_id":2284,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2285,"start_s":2286,"end_s":2287,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},355,"69828","And then comes our role.",2625.98,2627.28,{"idx":2289,"utterance_id":2290,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2291,"start_s":2292,"end_s":2293,"word_count":142,"topic_slug":2294,"topic_label":2295,"target_id":2296,"target_proposition":2297,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":2298,"rationale":2299,"indexable":335},356,"69829","I think the role of the National Congress, so that this does not arrive in Brazil in the future, is for us to have parity of arms.",2627.76,2634.6,"desinformacao-e-crimes-ciberneticos","Disinformation and Cybercrime","7ea8f5f0-43cd-46e5-bf88-9c44b7d1c554","regulate digital platforms and algorithms to combat disinformation",0.86,"Asks for 'paridade de armas' from Congress to counter online fake news.",{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},357,"69830","I'll explain what that means.",2635.2,2636.7,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":215,"indexable":13},358,"69831","It's time to understand the following: what is the role of fake news, untruths, lies in social networks, in algorithms, in the digital world; what are we missing?",2636.74,2649.46,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},359,"69832","to have a virtual world.",2649.6,2651.64,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":88,"topic_slug":2324,"topic_label":2325,"target_id":2326,"target_proposition":2327,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2328,"indexable":335},360,"69833","I'm pro-regulation; I believe freedom of expression is sacred.",2652.38,2656.06,"liberdade-religiosa-e-de-expressao","Religious Freedom \u002F Free Expression","c73548b9-23ad-4539-ab14-3385fa40cce4","guarantee freedom of expression on the internet","Declares that freedom of expression is sacred and defends it.",{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},361,"69834","That's not what I'm talking about.",2656.46,2657.62,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":12,"topic_slug":2324,"topic_label":2325,"target_id":2326,"target_proposition":2327,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2341,"indexable":335},362,"69835","As a lawyer, I would never interfere with freedom of expression.",2657.7,2661.12,"Says that, as a lawyer, she would not interfere with freedom of expression.",{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},363,"69836","But there is a limit in life.",2661.52,2664.22,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},364,"69837","I don't have absolute freedom of expression even in face-to-face encounters.",2665,2668.26,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},365,"69838","In my conversation with you, I cannot, in this moment, come and impute a crime to Magno.",2668.3,2674.28,{"idx":2361,"utterance_id":2362,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2363,"start_s":2364,"end_s":2365,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},366,"69839","I would be slandering him and he would have the right to file a lawsuit against me for defamation.",2674.66,2679.82,{"idx":2367,"utterance_id":2368,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2369,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},367,"69840","Because I would be accusing him of a crime that... he did not commit.",2680.1,2682.78,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":2294,"topic_label":2295,"target_id":2296,"target_proposition":2297,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2378,"indexable":335},368,"69841","So what I cannot do in the physical world, I cannot do in the virtual world.",2683.22,2687.62,"Argues that the same rules that apply offline should apply to big techs and algorithms.",{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":541,"indexable":13},369,"69842","So this issue of regulating, of having rules equal to those of real life—nothing more, nothing less than that—this applies to the big techs, it applies to influencers, but it also applies, and this is the most complex, to the issue of algorithms: at what point could or do these large big techs interfere through algorithms with information, most of the time not truthful, where you don't have space for contradiction, to defend yourself, and impacting the mentality of the population.",2687.7,2724.52,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":462,"topic_slug":2391,"topic_label":2392,"target_id":2393,"target_proposition":2394,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":644,"rationale":2395,"indexable":335},370,"69843","And finally, because as a mother and future grandmother—I'm dying to be a grandmother, but my daughters don't... don't move—I think we must be attentive, as parents, as grandparents, as decent people that we all are, to how our children and young people are receiving their civic education, their citizenship formation, on these social networks that are increasingly extreme.",2724.98,2752.4,"politica-de-educacao","Education policy","f435dc32-08d8-4395-a9ed-cda2cc306dd1","promote political and civic education during the electoral process","Calls for attention to civic education of children and young people on social networks.",{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":2402,"topic_label":2403,"target_id":2404,"target_proposition":2405,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":2298,"rationale":2406,"indexable":335},371,"69844","in a discourse that has nothing to do with right or left, but is a discourse of hatred.",2752.46,2756,"extremismo-e-discurso-de-odio","Extremism and Hate Speech","7957c57b-b8ec-4c59-a720-21c7b7dd85f9","combat hate speech","Distinguishes conservatism from hate speech and calls for the latter to be confronted.",{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":180,"indexable":13},372,"69845","A discourse that is more than conservative, because being conservative is a right, but it's a discourse that holds the view that it's necessary to eradicate minorities.",2756.74,2768.2,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":2294,"topic_label":2295,"target_id":2419,"target_proposition":2420,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":2421,"indexable":335},373,"69846","And I'll stop here with the example of the Red Pills, far-right movements, influencing our young people aged 12, 14, 16, who today are much more violent, this number of gang rapes involving adolescents.",2768.62,2782.4,"49f30136-92b3-4cb9-8fd4-0ad0b4b9ab00","combat radicalization of young people on social media","Mentions 'Red Pills' and the far-right's influence on adolescents.",{"idx":2423,"utterance_id":2424,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2425,"start_s":2426,"end_s":2427,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},374,"69847","Horrendous; we didn't see this in the past—groups of children and young people wanting to make money, to monetize, saying things like 'which is the pet, who will abuse a pet more, a puppy, an animal?'",2783.3,2795.24,{"idx":320,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":215,"indexable":13},"69848","So, I rounded all of that off—the question was very different—but just to say that I think we must have the courage to have this debate for the good of democracy.",2795.72,2806.8,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":126,"indexable":13},376,"69849","And then, obviously, the citizen... has the right to vote for the left or the right, conservative or more progressive.",2807.1,2812.9,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":2074,"topic_label":2075,"target_id":2445,"target_proposition":2446,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2447,"indexable":335},377,"69850","Now, the extreme right or the extreme left, whichever it may be, must be fought because it does not engage with democracy.",2813.22,2820.52,"6f26d11f-f5df-49ea-aedd-565946a5a78c","combat political extremism","Declares that extremes (right\u002Fleft) must be fought.",{"idx":2449,"utterance_id":2450,"speaker_name":8,"text":2451,"start_s":2452,"end_s":2453,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},378,"69851","Let's move on.",2821.76,2822.38,{"idx":2455,"utterance_id":2456,"speaker_name":8,"text":2457,"start_s":2458,"end_s":2459,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},379,"69852","Good evening, Magno.",2823.72,2824.38,{"idx":2461,"utterance_id":2462,"speaker_name":8,"text":2463,"start_s":2464,"end_s":2465,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},380,"69853","Good evening, Minister Simone Tebet.",2824.98,2826.64,{"idx":2467,"utterance_id":2468,"speaker_name":8,"text":2469,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},381,"69854","My name is Arnaldo Santos.",2827.78,2828.88,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":8,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":156,"indexable":13},382,"69855","I'm a journalist, speaking here directly from Fortaleza, from the newsroom of Mais Nordeste magazine, of which I am one of the executive directors.",2828.98,2837.84,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":8,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},383,"69856","You were, until quite recently, at the head of one of the most important ministries of the Lula government.",2838.76,2845.24,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":8,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":114,"indexable":13},384,"69857","Moreover, what is currently being executed was left by the planning you carried out.",2846.04,2851.06,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":8,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},385,"69858","Now you are running for the Senate.",2851.7,2853.58,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":8,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":162,"indexable":13},386,"69859","Given this polarized scenario and so much adversity in the political landscape, what proposal do you think could arise as an innovation to, first of all?",2854.46,2866.2,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":8,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},387,"69860","awaken the people's interest in politics again, and second, improve the level of this discussion.",2866.62,2873.16,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},388,"69861","This will, regrettably, be our great difficulty, while we are ready to debate.",2875.86,2881.46,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},389,"69862","economy, show the numbers.",2881.94,2883.58,{"idx":348,"utterance_id":2521,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2522,"start_s":2523,"end_s":2524,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},"69863","What we advanced were four years of reconstruction, of building a bridge to the future we want.",2884,2891.24,{"idx":2526,"utterance_id":2527,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2528,"start_s":2529,"end_s":2530,"word_count":233,"indexable":13},391,"69864","The other side, because it has no discourse, no project, what we only saw were the last four years of scorched earth; they want to enter into a field, into a discussion that interests no one.",2891.9,2902.56,{"idx":2532,"utterance_id":2533,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2534,"start_s":2535,"end_s":2536,"word_count":227,"indexable":13},392,"69865","or regression, as we have already mentioned here, on a morals agenda that does not put food on the table for the Brazilian people, which cannot be brought up in a country so different and diverse.",2903.12,2912.64,{"idx":2538,"utterance_id":2539,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2540,"start_s":2541,"end_s":2542,"word_count":215,"indexable":13},393,"69866","I cannot hold the thesis that a Brazil so different in its identity must have one religion, must have only one principle, that is, a single particular value.",2912.94,2924.9,{"idx":2544,"utterance_id":2545,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2546,"start_s":2547,"end_s":2548,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},394,"69867","We must accept differences.",2925.22,2926.88,{"idx":2550,"utterance_id":2551,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2552,"start_s":2553,"end_s":2554,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},395,"69868","I would mention a few, okay?",2927.34,2928.48,{"idx":2556,"utterance_id":2557,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2558,"start_s":2559,"end_s":2560,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},396,"69869","Just to name them briefly.",2928.66,2930.06,{"idx":2562,"utterance_id":2563,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2564,"start_s":2565,"end_s":2566,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},397,"69870","We can't get into the process.",2930.22,2932.7,{"idx":2568,"utterance_id":2569,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2570,"start_s":2571,"end_s":2572,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":1273,"topic_label":1274,"target_id":2573,"target_proposition":2574,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2575,"indexable":335},398,"69871","On the economic agenda, it continues to advance, taking firmer measures to combat inflation.",2933.8,2939.52,"780018bb-6e25-4752-98af-372c4a1b6efa","control inflation","Advocates firmer economic measures to fight inflation.",{"idx":2577,"utterance_id":2578,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2579,"start_s":2580,"end_s":2581,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":1273,"topic_label":1274,"target_id":2582,"target_proposition":2583,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2584,"indexable":335},399,"69872","Fighting inflation means lower interest rates, lower interest rates, and that is the great challenge of the government, of the future President of the Republic.",2940.04,2947.56,"85019b26-4a45-4769-a7c5-43a86e3063e0","reduce the real interest rate","Says combating inflation means lower interest rates.",{"idx":2586,"utterance_id":2587,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2588,"start_s":2589,"end_s":2590,"word_count":432,"topic_slug":1273,"topic_label":1274,"target_id":2582,"target_proposition":2583,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2591,"indexable":335},400,"69873","We need to lower... these interest rates as quickly as possible, within the autonomy of the Central Bank, which we respect, so that we can not only have cheaper food feeding the Brazilian people, but also that people's purchasing power—their ability to buy what is considered basic, from a commercial activity to using a service—keeps the machinery of the economy turning.",2947.94,2974.42,"Asks to lower interest rates quickly, while respecting the autonomy of the Central Bank.",{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},401,"69874","So, I think part of the economic agenda is that.",2974.8,2976.9,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},402,"69875","The rest is to continue advancing with the public policies that already exist.",2977.28,2981.34,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},403,"69876","We don't need to reinvent the wheel.",2981.42,2982.98,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":47,"topic_slug":640,"topic_label":641,"target_id":2616,"target_proposition":2617,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":342,"rationale":2618,"indexable":335},404,"69877","I would even say we can unify some of them to bolster a consolidated social-program package.",2983.3,2990.22,"70fead1a-ef4d-49d5-ba4b-021afca5dcb1","unify social programs","Proposes unifying social programs to 'engordar o caldo' of benefits.",{"idx":2620,"utterance_id":2621,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2622,"start_s":2623,"end_s":2624,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},405,"69878","That's one point.",2991.18,2991.84,{"idx":2626,"utterance_id":2627,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2628,"start_s":2629,"end_s":2630,"word_count":88,"indexable":13},406,"69879","But we have some relevant agendas that fall outside the economic agenda.",2992.24,2996.02,{"idx":2632,"utterance_id":2633,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2634,"start_s":2635,"end_s":2636,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},407,"69880","I would mention at least two.",2996.52,2997.98,{"idx":2638,"utterance_id":2639,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2640,"start_s":2641,"end_s":2642,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2643,"topic_label":2644,"target_id":2645,"target_proposition":2646,"stance":52,"stance_confidence":349,"rationale":2647,"indexable":335},408,"69881","One is public security, because public security has ceased to be a state-level problem: organized crime is transnational, it crosses Brazil's borders, it reaches Venezuela, Colombia, practically Ecuador (which does not share a border), and much also comes from there, and Bolivia, Paraguay.",2998.38,3015.22,"seguranca-nacional","National Security","a9341e56-f542-4a9c-8ac7-a79b7e9564d9","Strengthen public security policies to combat transnational criminal organizations","Describes organized crime as a transnational problem, without offering a technical proposal.",{"idx":2649,"utterance_id":2650,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2651,"start_s":2652,"end_s":2653,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},409,"69882","I'm talking about arms trafficking, drugs, adulterated beverages, all sorts of violence that trails in its wake.",3015.26,3022.74,{"idx":2655,"utterance_id":2656,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2657,"start_s":2658,"end_s":2659,"word_count":121,"indexable":13},410,"69883","That reaches the Northeast, as it reaches São Paulo, as it reaches anywhere in Brazil.",3023.4,3026.74,{"idx":2661,"utterance_id":2662,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2663,"start_s":2664,"end_s":2665,"word_count":112,"indexable":13},411,"69884","In a concerted effort that President Lula wanted and the right-wing governors did not accept, they will have to swallow this in an organized way; when I say 'swallow', I mean rationalize, put electoral rhetoric aside and let's solve the problem of violence that exists in small, medium and large cities.",3027.18,3042.62,{"idx":2667,"utterance_id":2668,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2669,"start_s":2670,"end_s":2671,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":2643,"topic_label":2644,"target_id":2672,"target_proposition":2673,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":477,"rationale":2674,"indexable":335},412,"69885","With a national concertation, national coordination involving the Federal Highway Police, Federal Police, Armed Forces, Military Police, Civil Police—a broad concertation.",3042.94,3052.5,"ae70fd90-069a-4cd8-8d9a-d7814827dfae","Establish national public security coordination to combat organized crime","Calls for a national, coordinated effort involving multiple police and security forces.",{"idx":2676,"utterance_id":2677,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2678,"start_s":2679,"end_s":2680,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},413,"69886","With technological intelligence and artificial intelligence.",3052.58,3055.56,{"idx":2682,"utterance_id":2683,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2684,"start_s":2685,"end_s":2686,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},414,"69887","And, lastly, I'll just mention, okay?",3055.86,3057.86,{"idx":2688,"utterance_id":2689,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2690,"start_s":2691,"end_s":2692,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2693,"topic_label":2694,"target_id":2695,"target_proposition":2696,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":2298,"rationale":2697,"indexable":335},415,"69888","But we have a major problem in the capitals, I'll point to the capitals: urban mobility.",3058.42,3063.42,"mobilidade-urbana-e-logistica","Urban Mobility and Logistics","06ba0dd8-0bcf-42f6-ba46-a1d9cfe4719b","reduce travel time in the Baixada Santista","Points out the problem of two-hour commutes and calls for alternatives.",{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":659,"topic_slug":2704,"topic_label":2705,"target_id":2706,"target_proposition":2707,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":632,"rationale":2708,"indexable":335},416,"69889","So, the issue of integrating public transport: we're talking a lot about ending the 6x1 schedule. I was one of the first—I think I was the first minister on national television—to speak about the need to end the 6x1 schedule, which would not break Brazil. I have numbers, I have research, I have a study done by IPEA, which is not just any body, it's the largest institute of policy and economics that was in my ministry, showing that Brazil will not break; we only have to protect small... small and medium merchants and entrepreneurs.",3063.88,3094.18,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","International Relations \u002F Labor","f67697cf-1bf4-4265-bfd0-08d59fefc47e","end six-for-one work schedule without salary reduction","Called for ending the 6x1 shift citing an IPEA study and proposing protections.",{"idx":2710,"utterance_id":2711,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2712,"start_s":2713,"end_s":2714,"word_count":144,"indexable":13},417,"69890","For example, a radio station that only has three or four employees, a shop that has five, six employees, up to ten employees.",3094.44,3100.68,{"idx":2716,"utterance_id":2717,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2718,"start_s":2719,"end_s":2720,"word_count":150,"indexable":13},418,"69891","That's what we have to take care of, provide some type of subsidy for this, but ending the 6x1 schedule is possible.",3101.38,3108.06,{"idx":2722,"utterance_id":2723,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2724,"start_s":2725,"end_s":2726,"word_count":198,"topic_slug":2693,"topic_label":2694,"target_id":2695,"target_proposition":2696,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":333,"rationale":2727,"indexable":335},419,"69892","We talk a lot about that, but what about the two hours that this worker spends getting to and from work because of urban mobility?",3108.1,3116.18,"Questions travel time and emphasizes the need for alternatives.",{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},420,"69893","I'll just leave this topic here—we have alternatives for that.",3116.52,3119.84,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":64,"speaker_slug":65,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":2693,"topic_label":2694,"target_id":2740,"target_proposition":2741,"stance":332,"stance_confidence":342,"rationale":2742,"indexable":335},421,"69894","Regarding financing so that we can, in the capitals, help mayors reduce this time and ensure urban mobility for everyone, because everyone also gets stuck in traffic.",3120.54,3133.46,"ea2eeb55-1b79-4a10-b067-f0b748286d8e","fund mayors to reduce travel time and improve public transportation","Proposes financing for mayors to reduce travel time.",{"idx":2744,"utterance_id":2745,"speaker_name":8,"text":2746,"start_s":2747,"end_s":2748,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},422,"69895","Very well, we are reaching the final stretch of the podcast.",3134.44,3136.68,{"idx":2750,"utterance_id":2751,"speaker_name":8,"text":2752,"start_s":2753,"end_s":2754,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},423,"69896","We have one more question from our contributors.",3136.76,3139.2,{"idx":2756,"utterance_id":2757,"speaker_name":8,"text":2758,"start_s":2759,"end_s":2760,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},424,"69897","Hello, Magnus.",3140.14,3140.8,{"idx":2762,"utterance_id":2763,"speaker_name":8,"text":2764,"start_s":2765,"end_s":2766,"word_count":60,"indexable":13},425,"69898","Hello as well, my most excellent Minister Simone Tebet.",3140.84,3144.14,{"idx":2768,"utterance_id":2769,"speaker_name":8,"text":2770,"start_s":2771,"end_s":2772,"word_count":62,"indexable":13},426,"69899","A pleasure to be here talking with you.",3144.28,3145.88,{"idx":2774,"utterance_id":2775,"speaker_name":8,"text":2776,"start_s":2777,"end_s":2778,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},427,"69900","My name is Thiago Medeiros.",3145.94,3147.24,{"idx":2780,"utterance_id":2781,"speaker_name":8,"text":2782,"start_s":2783,"end_s":2784,"word_count":47,"indexable":13},428,"69901","I am an analyst and political commentator for Grupo Daira 98FM, here in Natal, in Rio Grande do Norte.",3147.86,3153.16,{"idx":2786,"utterance_id":2787,"speaker_name":8,"text":2788,"start_s":2789,"end_s":2790,"word_count":256,"indexable":13},429,"69902","Minister, you were one of the most highly regarded members of Lula's government, Lula 3, and have been recognized for a very strong capacity for balance, for bringing rationality not only in management but also in terms of balance.",3153.26,3166.22,{"idx":2792,"utterance_id":2793,"speaker_name":8,"text":2794,"start_s":2795,"end_s":2796,"word_count":95,"indexable":13},430,"69903","also in the face of those polarizing extremes that we have in Brazil politically speaking.",3167.06,3171.56,{"idx":2798,"utterance_id":2799,"speaker_name":8,"text":2800,"start_s":2801,"end_s":2802,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},431,"69904","I wanted to bring you a very important question regarding our Northeast.",3171.98,3175.16,{"idx":2804,"utterance_id":2805,"speaker_name":8,"text":2806,"start_s":2807,"end_s":2808,"word_count":174,"indexable":13},432,"69905","I think that, beyond what was once merely promising, the Northeast today delivers — it has a large GDP output compared to South American countries.",3175.58,3182.44,{"idx":2810,"utterance_id":2811,"speaker_name":8,"text":2812,"start_s":2813,"end_s":2814,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},433,"69906","How do you see our Northeast in terms of potential?",3182.5,3185.56,{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":8,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},434,"69907","We have data centers, we have abundant renewable energy, we have batteries, we have green hydrogen.",3185.76,3191.88,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":8,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":107,"indexable":13},435,"69908","So many things are happening in the Northeast; how do you see this potential?",3192.26,3195.54,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":8,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},436,"69909","bringing in your experience in planning as well.",3196.14,3199.16,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":8,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},437,"69910","We have many states here with low investment capacity.",3199.24,3202.88,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":8,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},438,"69911","Also, how to do it — what is the message you could leave for our governors to get out of this situation so as to bring more investment capacity and improve the future of our Northeast 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