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Haddad","fernando-haddad","Renato Sérgio de Lima is a professor in the Department of Public Management at FGV, holds a degree in Social Sciences, a master's and doctorate in Sociology from the Universidade de São Paulo, a postdoctoral fellowship at the Institute of Economics at Unicamp, was a visiting scholar at the Centre for Latin American Studies at the University of Cambridge in England, and is the author of numerous projects on violence, public security, transparency and public statistics.",9.74,41.12,60,false,{"idx":16,"utterance_id":17,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":18,"start_s":19,"end_s":20,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},1,"64664","Good evening, Renato.",42.06,42.86,3,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":24,"speaker_name":25,"text":26,"start_s":27,"end_s":28,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},2,"64665","Desconhecido","Good evening, Fernando.",43.64,44.66,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":30,"speaker_name":25,"text":31,"start_s":32,"end_s":33,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},"64666","How are you?",44.7,45.04,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":36,"speaker_name":25,"text":37,"start_s":38,"end_s":39,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},4,"64667","I'm fine.",45.32,45.64,{"idx":41,"utterance_id":42,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":43,"start_s":44,"end_s":45,"word_count":46,"indexable":14},5,"64668","I would like you to open this program by giving an overview of what you learned while producing the Atlas and what you can say about the picture, the panorama of violence in our country.",46.32,60.52,32,{"idx":48,"utterance_id":49,"speaker_name":25,"text":50,"start_s":51,"end_s":52,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},6,"64669","Unfortunately, the picture is extremely worrying and has been a string of bad news over the 13 years of existence of the Fórum Brasileiro de Segurança Pública, which is a network of research and information and a forum for debate on the area, made up of police officers and non-police.",61.2,79.12,46,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":56,"speaker_name":25,"text":57,"start_s":58,"end_s":59,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},7,"64670","And for at least a few years now we have produced two major publications.",79.9,86.34,12,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":63,"speaker_name":25,"text":64,"start_s":65,"end_s":66,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},8,"64671","One is the Anuário Brasileiro de Segurança Pública with police records.",87.2,90.5,10,{"idx":69,"utterance_id":70,"speaker_name":25,"text":71,"start_s":72,"end_s":73,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},9,"64672","Every year we publish the data from the police incident reports, the police records.",90.6,95.52,15,{"idx":67,"utterance_id":76,"speaker_name":25,"text":77,"start_s":78,"end_s":79,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},"64673","And the other uses data from the health system, which are published in the Atlas da Violência, in partnership with IPEA.",96.04,102.36,22,{"idx":82,"utterance_id":83,"speaker_name":25,"text":84,"start_s":85,"end_s":86,"word_count":87,"indexable":14},11,"64674","And looking at the data, each has its particularities, but looking at the health data, the news is extremely worrying.",103.04,110.12,23,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":89,"speaker_name":25,"text":90,"start_s":91,"end_s":92,"word_count":82,"indexable":14},"64675","It always has a two-year lag; it is important to stress that.",111.08,114.64,{"idx":94,"utterance_id":95,"speaker_name":25,"text":96,"start_s":97,"end_s":98,"word_count":55,"indexable":14},13,"64676","And why is that time necessary?",114.72,117.8,{"idx":100,"utterance_id":101,"speaker_name":25,"text":102,"start_s":103,"end_s":104,"word_count":87,"indexable":14},14,"64677","Because we take all the microdata — as we generally, technically refer to it — which for each death contains 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Brazilian population itself — that is, it is not a war, a conflict against the country.",166.76,173.9,28,{"idx":158,"utterance_id":159,"speaker_name":25,"text":160,"start_s":161,"end_s":162,"word_count":130,"indexable":14},24,"64687","They are predominantly young, predominantly black, which is the sum of 'pretos' and 'pardos' using the IBGE methodology.",174.44,182.48,{"idx":164,"utterance_id":165,"speaker_name":25,"text":166,"start_s":167,"end_s":168,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},25,"64688","And almost always residents of the peripheries of large urban centers.",183.78,187.46,{"idx":170,"utterance_id":171,"speaker_name":25,"text":172,"start_s":173,"end_s":174,"word_count":175,"indexable":14},26,"64689","We have an extremely serious problem of violence, which unfortunately does not end only with the deaths — the Atlas addresses them — but we have, for example, almost 60,000 rapes every year.",187.68,200.64,36,{"idx":177,"utterance_id":178,"speaker_name":25,"text":179,"start_s":180,"end_s":181,"word_count":175,"indexable":14},27,"64690","We could talk here about an endless array of criminal offenses that occur every day in the country, and we don't really know how to deal with them because of a number of issues.",201.1,212.48,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":183,"speaker_name":25,"text":184,"start_s":185,"end_s":186,"word_count":41,"indexable":14},"64691","Historical, political, and, above all, institutional.",212.52,214.9,{"idx":188,"utterance_id":189,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":190,"start_s":191,"end_s":192,"word_count":87,"indexable":14},29,"64692","Renato, there is a thesis, a thesis much discussed, especially by lay audiences, that violence is also a consequence of social inequality.",215.38,231.76,{"idx":194,"utterance_id":195,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":196,"start_s":197,"end_s":198,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},30,"64693","That is said, but we had a period of falling social inequality in our country.",232.76,240.52,{"idx":200,"utterance_id":201,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":202,"start_s":203,"end_s":204,"word_count":205,"indexable":14},31,"64694","And at least 10 to 12 years of significant reduction in inequality and opening of opportunities, including for that youth who began attending universities, technical schools, things that were not available in the previous century.",242.26,255.82,35,{"idx":46,"utterance_id":207,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":208,"start_s":209,"end_s":210,"word_count":62,"indexable":14},"64695","What do you attribute the increase in violence to?",257.22,259.58,{"idx":212,"utterance_id":213,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":214,"start_s":215,"end_s":216,"word_count":94,"indexable":14},33,"64696","Is it, as they say, a question specifically related to drug wars, or to other factors?",260.14,266.58,{"idx":218,"utterance_id":219,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":220,"start_s":221,"end_s":222,"word_count":55,"indexable":14},34,"64697","How would you describe the situation?",266.96,269.9,{"idx":205,"utterance_id":224,"speaker_name":25,"text":225,"start_s":226,"end_s":227,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},"64698","We can divide this volume — almost the two-year total of deaths — into three major blocks.",270.06,276.7,{"idx":175,"utterance_id":229,"speaker_name":25,"text":230,"start_s":231,"end_s":232,"word_count":177,"indexable":14},"64699","The first, which are interpersonal conflicts and which also have to do with the dynamics of domestic violence, gender-based violence, femicides, fights in bars, and so on.",277.18,286.94,{"idx":234,"utterance_id":235,"speaker_name":25,"text":236,"start_s":237,"end_s":238,"word_count":205,"indexable":14},37,"64700","A set of deaths that occur — I don't much like the expression, but it has been adopted — described as for 'banal' reasons, because no one kills another over something trivial; there is some conflict that leads to that situation.",287.12,299.58,{"idx":240,"utterance_id":241,"speaker_name":25,"text":242,"start_s":243,"end_s":244,"word_count":141,"indexable":14},38,"64701","And these crimes have been growing significantly in the country, at least over the last 10 years — that is, interpersonal conflicts.",300.3,307.92,{"idx":246,"utterance_id":247,"speaker_name":25,"text":248,"start_s":249,"end_s":250,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},39,"64702","There is another dimension, which is the dimension of public responses to crime and violence.",307.98,314.2,{"idx":252,"utterance_id":253,"speaker_name":25,"text":254,"start_s":255,"end_s":256,"word_count":128,"indexable":14},40,"64703","We can see that prisons are a true repository of people and a factory that feeds criminal 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markets.",341.6,347.42,{"idx":282,"utterance_id":283,"speaker_name":25,"text":284,"start_s":285,"end_s":286,"word_count":205,"indexable":14},45,"64708","And then we do perceive that, at least in 2016 and 2017, we had a loss of control when the Comando Vermelho and the PCC declared war on each other, and that influenced the dynamics of the entire country.",347.6,360.36,{"idx":53,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":25,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":177,"indexable":14},"64709","So, when we talk about security, I'm not talking only about organized crime, nor am I talking only about interpersonal conflicts or public responses.",360.42,368.66,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":294,"speaker_name":25,"text":295,"start_s":296,"end_s":297,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},47,"64710","The country had, at least until the 1990s, a strong tradition of studies on inequality.",369.42,374.52,{"idx":299,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":25,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},48,"64711","And there was a relationship, and there still is a relationship, except that it is inverse.",375.26,379.26,{"idx":305,"utterance_id":306,"speaker_name":25,"text":307,"start_s":308,"end_s":309,"word_count":240,"indexable":14},49,"64712","For example, when we generate wealth in a certain region, the Northeast, which today is the region that concentrates the largest number of homicides, we will notice that this wealth developed the area, and violence grows along with it.",379.78,393.4,{"idx":311,"utterance_id":312,"speaker_name":25,"text":313,"start_s":314,"end_s":315,"word_count":82,"indexable":14},50,"64713","Because where there is money you have crime; crime goes there.",393.62,396.98,{"idx":317,"utterance_id":318,"speaker_name":25,"text":319,"start_s":320,"end_s":321,"word_count":82,"indexable":14},51,"64714","That is, you create 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São Paulo has a rate that is lower than... other states and other large cities in the world.",464.48,473.92,{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":25,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":141,"indexable":14},65,"64728","For example, the homicide rate of the city of São Paulo is lower than that of Chicago, in the United States.",473.98,478.54,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":25,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":252,"indexable":14},66,"64729","Chicago faces a very strong gang problem, so there you also have a situation with armed gangs, within the context that in the United States it is permitted to carry weapons in some places, not in others, but firearms circulate easily.",479.14,492.8,{"idx":412,"utterance_id":413,"speaker_name":25,"text":414,"start_s":415,"end_s":416,"word_count":417,"indexable":14},67,"64730","The problem is that this drop in São Paulo involves a number of issues that range from the quality of information, which suggests that perhaps the decline is not exactly so proportional, but it exists — it is a real decline — and it is because we live a double effect of a public policy that, whether good or bad, and one can criticize it, has been implemented for a long time. That is, the police receive investment, hold entrance exams every year; they in some way manage to provide responses, also due to the economic capacity of the State of São Paulo to maintain the police structure.",494.02,530.42,101,{"idx":419,"utterance_id":420,"speaker_name":25,"text":421,"start_s":422,"end_s":423,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},68,"64731","Could it be improved?",530.88,531.48,{"idx":425,"utterance_id":426,"speaker_name":25,"text":427,"start_s":428,"end_s":429,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},69,"64732","It can be improved a lot; perhaps we live in better conditions.",531.6,535.46,{"idx":431,"utterance_id":432,"speaker_name":25,"text":433,"start_s":434,"end_s":435,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},70,"64733","But, on the other hand, we have a single faction here in São Paulo.",535.94,539.36,{"idx":437,"utterance_id":438,"speaker_name":25,"text":439,"start_s":440,"end_s":441,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},71,"64734","There is a monopoly of the drug and arms market, which does not generate territorial disputes.",539.68,545.1,{"idx":443,"utterance_id":444,"speaker_name":25,"text":445,"start_s":446,"end_s":447,"word_count":200,"indexable":14},72,"64735","And that does not mean that here the PCC is more peaceful than the Comando Vermelho, because the PCC, when it is disputing territory now in the Northeast, is just as violent.",545.22,556.54,{"idx":449,"utterance_id":450,"speaker_name":25,"text":451,"start_s":452,"end_s":453,"word_count":177,"indexable":14},73,"64736","But here there is the monopoly, there is no territorial conflict here, and that conflict happened in 2006, for example, with the attack you had earlier.",556.96,566.46,{"idx":455,"utterance_id":456,"speaker_name":25,"text":457,"start_s":458,"end_s":459,"word_count":431,"indexable":14},74,"64737","So, when we make public security policy, we have to take into account the responses of the State, and by the State I mean all spheres and branches of power: the Union, the States and Municipalities, the Judiciary, the Legislature, the Executive, state bodies such as the police, public defender's offices and the Public Prosecutor's Office, but also when we look at the dynamics of organized crime itself and the dynamics of other factors that lead to violence.",566.56,591,{"idx":461,"utterance_id":462,"speaker_name":25,"text":463,"start_s":464,"end_s":465,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},75,"64738","São Paulo benefited, for example, from a reduction in the absolute number of young people in its population.",591.1,596.18,{"idx":467,"utterance_id":468,"speaker_name":25,"text":469,"start_s":470,"end_s":471,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},76,"64739","Since homicide is concentrated among young people, when that decreases, the violence rates fall along with it.",596.64,602.04,{"idx":473,"utterance_id":474,"speaker_name":25,"text":475,"start_s":476,"end_s":477,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},77,"64740","The young population in the state of São Paulo is 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Almost always those who have control are the inmates themselves, because in an overcrowding situation you cannot have the prison officer there doing the management.",640.58,666.72,{"idx":557,"utterance_id":558,"speaker_name":25,"text":559,"start_s":560,"end_s":561,"word_count":158,"indexable":14},91,"64754","And since they have control of the situation, they end up establishing ties, establishing logics that will help the organization of crime on the street.",667.14,675.4,{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":25,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":431,"indexable":14},92,"64755","Thus, public policy, in this case prison policy, ends up creating a problem for the streets in the day-to-day of the police, which is... The criminal enters prison perhaps for a lesser crime, potentially of less severity, but leaves recruited by the faction because he will depend on the faction to carry on, so as not to be a victim of violence inside prison, so that his family is protected outside prison.",675.7,702.74,{"idx":569,"utterance_id":570,"speaker_name":25,"text":571,"start_s":572,"end_s":573,"word_count":128,"indexable":14},93,"64756","Thus bonds of loyalty are created that are often extremely difficult to break once they are established.",703.02,710.62,{"idx":575,"utterance_id":576,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":577,"start_s":578,"end_s":579,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},94,"64757","And the question of the trial at the STF, once again postponed, on this specific issue.",711.68,718.52,{"idx":581,"utterance_id":582,"speaker_name":25,"text":583,"start_s":584,"end_s":585,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},95,"64758","On 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What is the recommendation that the world's experts—because it's a global program, studied worldwide—give for reducing the number of deaths?",1122.34,1136.2,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":25,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":240,"indexable":14},167,"64830","The major factor that facilitates such a death, that facilitates any death, is that, in general, when we talk about prevention, it's about making a targeted intervention in the factors that create or allow that violence to be committed.",1136.8,1150.72,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":25,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},168,"64831","There are two major factors in this case; one is alcohol.",1151.32,1154.14,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":25,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":82,"indexable":14},169,"64832","And controlling alcohol consumption is very important.",1154.6,1158.82,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":25,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":82,"indexable":14},170,"64833","But, given the current debate, firearms.",1159.24,1162.72,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":25,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":94,"indexable":14},171,"64834","There is a broad consensus in the international literature that more guns mean more deaths.",1163.14,1167.84,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":25,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},172,"64835","However, in a way, what was a technical consensus in 2003–2004, with the approval of the Disarmament Statute, has now turned into another war.",1168.46,1177.48,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":25,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},173,"64836","A major manifestation of the culture war being waged in the country, speaking of freedom, of the individual right to self-defense, and so on.",1179,1188.5,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":25,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},174,"64837","But in practice, those who have a legalized firearm are inside the home.",1189,1193.54,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":25,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":158,"indexable":14},175,"64838","And those who are dying are women, much more intensely inside homes than outside, at the hands of, \"quote-unquote,\" criminals.",1193.88,1202.72,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":25,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":141,"indexable":14},176,"64839","In other words, a gun is not something worth having at home because it ends up enabling an increase in this.",1202.92,1210.56,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":82,"indexable":14},177,"64840","What do you think of that decree issued by the Presidency of the Republic?",1210.62,1213.66,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":25,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":41,"indexable":14},178,"64841","That decree is completely unconstitutional.",1213.7,1215.8,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":25,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":55,"indexable":14},179,"64842","It is riddled with technical and legal problems.",1216.12,1220,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":25,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":234,"indexable":14},180,"64843","And it is based on mistaken premises, because even for the internet user to understand, it's not about being for or against, because Brazil in 2004 did not ban it; the referendum asked whether the population wanted the commercialization to be banned.",1220.84,1235.46,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":25,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":62,"indexable":14},181,"64844","No — the 'no' won, so it was not banned.",1235.96,1238.08,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":25,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":123,"indexable":14},182,"64845","Since then, purchases and registrations of guns for people to have at home have increased.",1238.14,1243.16,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":25,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},183,"64846","What the decree does is practically cancel a law.",1243.58,1247.32,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":25,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},184,"64847","That's where it starts.",1247.68,1248.38,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":25,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},185,"64848","A decree must never go beyond and conflict with the law it regulates.",1248.52,1255.12,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":25,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":55,"indexable":14},186,"64849","And it, in practice, goes further, effectively revoking it.",1255.62,1258.24,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":130,"indexable":14},187,"64850","It makes sense for people to be worried that this decree is indeed opening the door to the legalization of militias.",1258.38,1266.8,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},188,"64851","I say this because it is even a project of one of the president's sons; it is a nod.",1267.04,1272.76,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},189,"64852","To militia groups.",1273.68,1275.46,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":25,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":141,"indexable":14},190,"64853","In practice, I believe the decree facilitates the organization of militias; it does not necessarily create space for their regulation.",1276.16,1285.72,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":25,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},191,"64854","Why does it facilitate that?",1285.78,1286.62,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":25,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},192,"64855","Because it is lenient with ammunition consumption, especially regarding ammunition.",1286.7,1291.86,{"idx":1165,"utterance_id":1166,"speaker_name":25,"text":1167,"start_s":1168,"end_s":1169,"word_count":46,"indexable":14},193,"64856","Militias will be able to buy weapons because almost all of them have within their ranks members of the security forces, guards, police officers, members of the armed forces, who in some way have purchase limits.",1292.9,1305.3,{"idx":1171,"utterance_id":1172,"speaker_name":25,"text":1173,"start_s":1174,"end_s":1175,"word_count":164,"indexable":14},194,"64857","But the militia, in some way, is a parallel organization to the State and it also manages to consume illegal ammunition that it ends up being...",1305.68,1314.6,{"idx":1177,"utterance_id":1178,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1179,"start_s":1180,"end_s":1181,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},195,"64858","And the constitutional prohibition on paramilitary association is explicit.",1314.64,1319.02,{"idx":1183,"utterance_id":1184,"speaker_name":25,"text":132,"start_s":1185,"end_s":1186,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},196,"64859",1319.16,1319.98,{"idx":1188,"utterance_id":1189,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1190,"start_s":1191,"end_s":1192,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},197,"64860","One of the few association prohibitions in the Constitution is this one.",1320.18,1324.66,{"idx":1194,"utterance_id":1195,"speaker_name":25,"text":1196,"start_s":1197,"end_s":1198,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},198,"64861","For everything else, you have a very broad freedom of association.",1325,1328.36,{"idx":1200,"utterance_id":1201,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1202,"start_s":1203,"end_s":1204,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},199,"64862","Very broad, as in any democracy.",1328.54,1330.62,{"idx":1206,"utterance_id":1207,"speaker_name":25,"text":1208,"start_s":1209,"end_s":1210,"word_count":258,"indexable":14},200,"64863","Now, the militia is becoming the main current problem, because many people — even many from the progressive camp and the left — came to believe that the militia would be a good form of societal organization to deal with public security.",1330.98,1346.04,{"idx":1212,"utterance_id":1213,"speaker_name":25,"text":1214,"start_s":1215,"end_s":1216,"word_count":252,"indexable":14},201,"64864","It is not a good way, because you are giving too much autonomy to groups to be armed and to discipline, to establish what counts in terms of law and order, and more than that, you are... without any type of control.",1347,1361.9,{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":25,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":87,"indexable":14},202,"64865","Just look at what happens in Rio; just look at what happens in several other states that have reports of militia organization.",1361.98,1367.92,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},203,"64866","I would like to make even a philosophical provocation, if you allow me, which is the following.",1367.96,1373,{"idx":1230,"utterance_id":1231,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1232,"start_s":1233,"end_s":1234,"word_count":329,"indexable":14},204,"64867","When you make life easier for those who want to organize paramilitary groups that offer private security services and, in a way, are removing the State from providing what is one of its principal duties, isn't that a contradiction with the very concept of the National State, with the very notion of the modern State?",1373.6,1396.18,{"idx":1236,"utterance_id":1237,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1238,"start_s":1239,"end_s":1240,"word_count":123,"indexable":14},205,"64868","I mean, aren't you, in a way, taking from the shoulders of the State a responsibility that belongs to it?",1396.74,1404.5,{"idx":1242,"utterance_id":1243,"speaker_name":25,"text":1244,"start_s":1245,"end_s":1246,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},206,"64869","Without a doubt.",1404.96,1405.5,{"idx":1248,"utterance_id":1249,"speaker_name":25,"text":1250,"start_s":1251,"end_s":1252,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},207,"64870","And there is a complication in this process.",1405.8,1407.76,{"idx":1254,"utterance_id":1255,"speaker_name":25,"text":1256,"start_s":1257,"end_s":1258,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},208,"64871","If we look in terms of the philosophy of the State, your reasoning is correct.",1407.92,1411.98,{"idx":1260,"utterance_id":1261,"speaker_name":25,"text":1262,"start_s":1263,"end_s":1264,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},209,"64872","But the problem is that the Brazilian State, at no time since the 1988 Constitution, discussed what public security is.",1412.52,1419.04,{"idx":1266,"utterance_id":1267,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1268,"start_s":1269,"end_s":1270,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},210,"64873","Let me interrupt you so we can move forward.",1419.2,1421.58,{"idx":1272,"utterance_id":1273,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1274,"start_s":1275,"end_s":1276,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},211,"64874","In the citizens' rights section, you don't have a chapter in the Constitution to discuss 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done.",1464.96,1476.18,{"idx":1320,"utterance_id":1321,"speaker_name":25,"text":1322,"start_s":1323,"end_s":1324,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},219,"64882","The corporations took advantage to preserve the status quo of that moment.",1476.86,1481.94,{"idx":1326,"utterance_id":1327,"speaker_name":25,"text":1328,"start_s":1329,"end_s":1330,"word_count":156,"indexable":14},220,"64883","Clearly the great difficulty today is that we cannot move forward with police reforms and we have left space for human rights and public security to be set against each other.",1482.74,1495.68,{"idx":1332,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":25,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":141,"indexable":14},221,"64884","And the population, according to several surveys, believes that... Those who speak of human rights are incompatible with public security.",1496.5,1503.98,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":25,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},222,"64885","And, in a way, when we... Because it's a historical contradiction, right?",1504.56,1507.58,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":25,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},223,"64886","That it is a contradiction, but in the daily life of the population... That's what people perceive.",1507.7,1511.92,{"idx":1350,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":25,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},224,"64887","That's what they see because violence has increased, as the Atlas itself showed.",1511.96,1515.9,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":164,"indexable":14},225,"64888","Does it make sense to talk about a single public security system, as we talk, for example, about a single health system or a single social assistance system?",1516,1523.9,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":25,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":175,"indexable":14},226,"64889","I think the first question... Yes, the single system makes perfect sense, because just to give an example with numbers, the military police handle roughly between 150 and 160 million records every year.",1524.32,1537.56,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":25,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},227,"64890","So, almost one record per adult inhabitant of the country, maybe even more.",1538.36,1542.38,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":25,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},228,"64891","Incredible.",1542.42,1543.16,{"idx":1380,"utterance_id":1381,"speaker_name":25,"text":1382,"start_s":1383,"end_s":1384,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},229,"64892","Of those, about 10% are criminal in nature.",1543.74,1548.1,{"idx":1386,"utterance_id":1387,"speaker_name":25,"text":1388,"start_s":1389,"end_s":1390,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},230,"64893","So, 14, 15 million.",1548.22,1550.98,{"idx":1392,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":25,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},231,"64894","These, theoretically, the military police... 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