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spend the whole year dragging out a discussion in the CCJ, in a special committee, to create a political platform.",9.98,15.42,22,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":44,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":45,"start_s":46,"end_s":47,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},5,"72877","Picking up the thread, the Chamber of Deputies is now focused on ending the 6x1 schedule, right, which President Hugo has even signaled.",18.24,28.14,{"idx":20,"utterance_id":49,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":50,"start_s":51,"end_s":52,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},"72878","that the intention is to vote by May.",28.62,30.7,7,{"idx":53,"utterance_id":55,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":56,"start_s":57,"end_s":58,"word_count":53,"indexable":13},"72879","How do you evaluate this agenda?",31.14,33.02,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":61,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":62,"start_s":63,"end_s":64,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},8,"72880","Are you in favor of this reduction in working hours?",33.78,36.8,9,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":67,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":68,"start_s":69,"end_s":70,"word_count":71,"indexable":13},"72881","Do you believe in that deadline he gave—by May—to vote on this matter, which is a PEC, right?",37.1,42.26,19,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":74,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":75,"start_s":76,"end_s":77,"word_count":78,"indexable":13},10,"72882","We know that a larger quorum is required to approve it in two rounds.",42.3,46.28,14,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":80,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":81,"start_s":82,"end_s":83,"word_count":84,"indexable":13},"72883","Well, first, I think, nobody is in favor of the 6x1 schedule.",47.04,49.8,12,{"idx":84,"utterance_id":86,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":87,"start_s":88,"end_s":89,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},"72884","It's not good, and I myself worked the 6x1 schedule; it was my first job.",51.42,54.82,{"idx":91,"utterance_id":92,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":93,"start_s":94,"end_s":95,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},13,"72885","And, by the way, this PEC wouldn't change anything about my first job because it was informal.",54.96,57.8,{"idx":78,"utterance_id":97,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":98,"start_s":99,"end_s":100,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},"72886","And this is one of the aspects where I strike against the populism and demagogy of this PEC, because there are 40 million informal workers.",59.8,66.08,{"idx":12,"utterance_id":102,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":103,"start_s":104,"end_s":105,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},"72887","This PEC will change nothing for the 40 million informal workers, because they are informal.",66.48,69.24,16,{"idx":106,"utterance_id":108,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":109,"start_s":110,"end_s":111,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},"72888","We'll increase 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I tell you that the Renan Santos government won't need to free up a single cent of parliamentary amendments to approve the public security agenda, because it will be popular and will give votes to the parliamentarians who vote.",403.18,418.66,{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":310,"indexable":13},82,"72954","And I think that working by exposing the names of deputies, which is something we've done since the time of the impeachment until today, as the Presidency's cannon, is something that works, because there's nothing the Centrão cares more about than getting reelected.",419.16,434.58,{"idx":508,"utterance_id":509,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":510,"start_s":511,"end_s":512,"word_count":206,"indexable":13},83,"72955","And if his election is at risk because you are going to vote for such an unpopular measure or because you are going to fail to vote for such a popular measure, it puts his election at 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signed my anti-privilege PEC made me get 171 signatures, including from a Centrão deputy.",464.56,473.22,{"idx":538,"utterance_id":539,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":540,"start_s":541,"end_s":542,"word_count":84,"indexable":13},88,"72960","At the same time, it's not in the Centrão's interest to limit the parliament's budget.",474.02,479.72,{"idx":544,"utterance_id":545,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":546,"start_s":547,"end_s":548,"word_count":91,"indexable":13},89,"72961","On the contrary, now they're increasing it with a super salary of R$ 77,000.",479.78,482.9,{"idx":550,"utterance_id":551,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":552,"start_s":553,"end_s":554,"word_count":224,"indexable":13},90,"72962","I've never collected signatures as fast as now for my PEC to limit IPVA to 1% of the car's value and calculate it based on the car's weight, as happens in the United 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I imagine it is, that he signaled he would even leave the PL if he couldn't define the names that will be put on the ticket, and I imagine this will cause some discomfort regarding Valdemar, and it also drains the Bolsonaro family's power, because all the bolsonaristas stop being in the same party and... 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First, in magnitude of the impeachment demonstrations, it's natural that there aren't new demonstrations because they were the largest in the country's history.",684.14,692.52,{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":164,"indexable":13},126,"72998","The last time we had demonstrations that weren't as large, were smaller, but, let's say, of comparable magnitude, was the Diretas Já movement.",693.36,700.46,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":78,"indexable":13},127,"72999","So you need a historical moment to have so many people in the streets or carnival.",701.1,706.9,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},128,"73000","Either a historical moment or carnival.",707.34,709.38,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},129,"73001","But it's for other goals.",709.42,711.5,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},130,"73002","Yeah, they're for other reasons.",711.56,713,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},131,"73003","But that you should organize demonstrations, that we should have demonstrations in the future, it's natural.",713.54,720.12,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},132,"73004","Even to keep agendas alive, as we've done regarding Banco Master.",721.3,724.66,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":170,"indexable":13},133,"73005","There is a great effort by various sectors of the political class and the judiciary to stifle it, and we've done our best to keep this issue alive.",725.3,733.04,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},134,"73006","Be it on social media, be it organizing demonstrations, which also feeds social media and shows that we are doing something physical about it, beyond the political and beyond the media.",733.14,743.6,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":285,"indexable":13},135,"73007","So, without a doubt, there should be new demonstrations, but it's very difficult to have a new historical moment, at least in the coming decades, comparable to filling... It wasn't even just filling Paulista Avenue, it was filling Paulista Avenue and also taking over other avenues that crossed there.",744.06,764.5,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},136,"73008","So, that's it.",765.24,766.5,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},137,"73009","We should have new demonstrations, but not on the same scale.",766.56,768.9,{"idx":838,"utterance_id":839,"speaker_name":305,"text":840,"start_s":841,"end_s":842,"word_count":106,"indexable":13},138,"73010","In terms of influence, for example, in the parliament, today that influence from those demonstrations is much smaller.",768.96,773.8,{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},139,"73011","Ah, yes.",774.2,775,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":135,"indexable":13},140,"73012","Because the last time there was that level of influence it toppled the president of the republic when not even the opposition wanted to.",775.04,782.28,{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":78,"indexable":13},141,"73013","Aécio used to lash out at us because he said we should let Dilma bleed.",782.8,786.56,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":91,"indexable":13},142,"73014","We said, look... The PSDB aren't those political geniuses, right?",786.6,791.3,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},143,"73015","Because they've been getting beaten by the PT for almost two decades.",791.66,794.58,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},"73016","And the last time someone said to let the PT bleed was during the Mensalão, which was Fernando Henrique.",794.98,798.62,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":73,"indexable":13},145,"73017","And then the PT won three elections after that, right?",798.96,800.8,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":212,"indexable":13},146,"73018","So I think we... 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