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injure.",1604.18,1616.42,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},231,"37394","But beyond that we don't need contention in Latin America.",1617.7,1622.84,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":81,"indexable":72},232,"37395","We don't need it.",1623.3,1623.88,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},233,"37396","I also spoke with my friend Cláudia, President of Mexico, about this issue.",1624.62,1630.48,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},234,"37397","And maybe I'm going to Santa Marta to discuss this issue and, who knows, take a position in defense of the countries of Latin America.",1631.56,1645.42,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":69,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},235,"37398","President, good morning once again.",1646.92,1648.16,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":69,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},236,"37399","My name is Maurício, from the Associated Press.",1648.2,1649.78,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":69,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},237,"37400","Thank you for your time.",1649.84,1651.14,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":69,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":423,"indexable":72},238,"37401","Well, here in Belém we've seen, walking through the streets, an issue that relates to what we saw in Rio de Janeiro last week, which is the presence of organized crime; we see Comando Vermelho graffiti in different parts of the city, and in the state of Pará this is already a problem.",1652.5,1666.84,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":69,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},239,"37402","Also in other regions, near Carajás there are already reports of this kind.",1666.92,1671.6,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":69,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":190,"indexable":72},240,"37403","And when we discuss sustainability in the Amazon... obviously, for the people there is also this other impact, which is the impact of organized crime arriving to deal with it.",1671.96,1680.32,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":69,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":43,"indexable":72},241,"37404","So, in that spirit, I'd like to ask you what can be done for the people of the Amazon to prevent the spread of this organized crime throughout the 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Manaus.",1709.54,1718.16,{"idx":1524,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},245,"37408","Inaugurating the International Police Cooperation Center, CCPI.",1719.02,1724.66,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":329,"indexable":72},246,"37409","That is, it's a center coordinated by the Brazilian Federal Police, from Manaus, with the participation of police officers from all the South American states that have the Amazon Rainforest, and with the participation of representatives of police from the Brazilian states as well.",1725.8,1741.42,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},247,"37410","And furthermore with the participation of 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United States, of many places.",1762.72,1774.64,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},252,"37415","Some more sophisticated, others less sophisticated.",1774.68,1776.94,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":174,"indexable":72},253,"37416","What we need is to invest more, more intelligence in the police, so that we can fight it.",1777.72,1785.26,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":162,"indexable":72},254,"37417","In São Paulo, for example, the Federal Police discovered a factory that produced more than 3,000 rifles.",1786.64,1791.76,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},255,"37418","We used to say it was 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time.",1868.58,1872.32,{"idx":1650,"utterance_id":1651,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1652,"start_s":1653,"end_s":1654,"word_count":152,"indexable":72},266,"37429","And, at the same time, we sent a law, just this week now, an anti-gang law.",1872.84,1877.86,{"idx":1656,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":150,"indexable":72},267,"37430","It is a law that increases the sentence, that increases the punishment so we can combat the organized factions that exist in São Paulo, in Rio de Janeiro and in Brazil.",1878.52,1889,{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},268,"37431","It exists in all states today.",1889.14,1890.46,{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":43,"indexable":72},269,"37432","So we are working very hard so that we can try to make society live in peace and with great tranquility.",1891.28,1902.12,{"idx":1674,"utterance_id":1675,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1676,"start_s":1677,"end_s":1678,"word_count":87,"indexable":72},270,"37433","What did you suggest?",1908.92,1909.42,{"idx":1680,"utterance_id":1681,"speaker_name":69,"text":1682,"start_s":1683,"end_s":1684,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},271,"37434","An independent investigation into what is possible.",1912,1913.88,{"idx":1686,"utterance_id":1687,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1688,"start_s":1689,"end_s":1690,"word_count":101,"indexable":72},272,"37435","We are trying to carry out that investigation.",1914.04,1915.86,{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":115,"indexable":72},273,"37436","We are even trying to see whether the forensic pathologists of the Federal Police can participate in the process.",1916.46,1923.46,{"idx":1698,"utterance_id":1699,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1700,"start_s":1701,"end_s":1702,"word_count":115,"indexable":72},274,"37437","Of the death investigation, how it was carried out, because there are many narratives, many things.",1924.58,1930.46,{"idx":1704,"utterance_id":1705,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1706,"start_s":1707,"end_s":1708,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},275,"37438","People were buried without there having been a forensic examination by another body.",1931.08,1937.76,{"idx":1710,"utterance_id":1711,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1712,"start_s":1713,"end_s":1714,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},276,"37439","So we are working on that, the Federal Police are working on it, the Ministry of Justice is working on it, the MPF is working on 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government, and there are people who want to know if all of that happened the way they say, whether there was something more delicate in the operation.",1960.96,1977.14,{"idx":1740,"utterance_id":1741,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1742,"start_s":1743,"end_s":1744,"word_count":280,"indexable":72},281,"37444","The concrete fact is that the operation... From the point of view of the number of deaths, people may consider it a success, but from the point of view of the State's action, I think it was disastrous.",1978.48,1989.88,{"idx":1746,"utterance_id":1747,"speaker_name":69,"text":1748,"start_s":1749,"end_s":1750,"word_count":87,"indexable":72},282,"37445","Good morning, Sir.",1992.84,1993.34,{"idx":1752,"utterance_id":1753,"speaker_name":69,"text":1754,"start_s":1755,"end_s":1756,"word_count":74,"indexable":72},283,"37446","President.",1993.38,1993.82,{"idx":1758,"utterance_id":1759,"speaker_name":69,"text":1760,"start_s":1761,"end_s":1762,"word_count":101,"indexable":72},284,"37447","Miguel Mêncio, from Lusa News Agency.",1995.26,1997.38,{"idx":249,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":69,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":268,"indexable":72},"37448","I just wanted to ask if you think that the non-attendance of the heads of State of China, the United States and India, the three countries that pollute the most in the 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States, I think, will not even send a representation.",2042.36,2045.08,{"idx":1793,"utterance_id":1794,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1795,"start_s":1796,"end_s":1797,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},290,"37453","But the rest of the heads of State are participating; just so you have an idea, we have 53 heads of State who will participate.",2046.36,2057.5,{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":108,"indexable":72},291,"37454","In addition to heads of State, we have 46 ministers who will participate and we have around 19 international organizations.",2059.12,2073.5,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},"37455","In addition to several ambassadors who will come to represent their countries.",2074.26,2076.9,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},293,"37456","It's a strong representation.",2077.52,2078.96,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":190,"indexable":72},294,"37457","And this is a COP different from the others, because in the others everyone was together; I attended the opening of some, there was hardly any head of State at the opening.",2080.52,2091.98,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},295,"37458","For this one we decided to hold the summit, a COP summit, because we want to give a privileged space for the leaders of the countries to discuss.",2092.8,2103.24,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":292,"indexable":72},296,"37459","So, what will be decided at this Summit COP is that, when we finish, we will have to tell the COP that will take place from April 10 what we are willing to do.",2105.58,2122.76,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},297,"37460","We may encourage or we may discourage.",2124.88,2128.36,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":152,"indexable":72},298,"37461","We can, you know, encourage people or we can discourage people.",2129.52,2133.92,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":323,"indexable":72},299,"37462","And I think that the summit that will meet, we have to convey to the societies of the whole world that it is true that we want to confront the climate issue with the responsibility and seriousness it deserves.",2135.04,2150.02,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":192,"indexable":72},300,"37463","Now, rest assured that the majority of countries will be present and China will be present with its prime minister.",2151.76,2161.08,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},301,"37464","I have already participated in other COPs with China that had Xi Jinping.",2163.46,2166.94,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":101,"indexable":72},302,"37465","I know their 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morning.",2194.92,2196.24,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":69,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},307,"37470","I am Wu Hao from the Xinhua News Agency.",2196.64,2199.08,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":69,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":190,"indexable":72},308,"37471","Last year, Brazil and China announced the joint construction of a China-Brazil community with a shared future for a fairer world and a more sustainable planet.",2200.24,2211.72,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":69,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},309,"37472","And how do you, Mr. President, assess the role of Global South countries represented by Brazil and China in climate governance?",2212.44,2220.74,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":69,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":230,"indexable":72},310,"37473","And how do you... respond to criticisms that Brazil's agricultural cooperation with China or with any other country would be harming the Brazilian ecosystem?",2221.28,2233.28,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":69,"text":1515,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":74,"indexable":72},311,"37474",2233.62,2233.96,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":162,"indexable":72},312,"37475","Look, Brazil is a country that does not have and does not want disputes with any country in the world.",2235.78,2245.6,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":184,"indexable":72},313,"37476","Brazil has in China today its most important trading partner, and we are still far from reaching the potential of the two 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iron.",2281.04,2286.58,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":174,"indexable":72},318,"37481","We want to grow with China in the establishment of Chinese companies with their technological advances in Brazil.",2287.9,2294.92,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},319,"37482","That is why Beadeal has already set up in Bahia and will begin producing auto parts there as early as next year, in 2027.",2295.66,2308.56,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},320,"37483","We want other Chinese companies working in Brazil.",2309.6,2312.66,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},321,"37484","And we want to greatly strengthen our relationship with China.",2313.62,2316.7,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":115,"indexable":72},322,"37485","China is a reliable partner, has been very loyal in its relationship with Brazil.",2317.66,2323.74,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":21,"indexable":72},323,"37486","And obviously, neither China nor Brazil—we do not oppose any country being able to tax our products.",2325.28,2332.64,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":298,"indexable":72},324,"37487","To the extent that a country must defend its industry and its employment, it is normal that it tries to impose a tax to make it difficult for foreign products to enter Brazil.",2333.4,2345.02,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":192,"indexable":72},325,"37488","The taxation imposed in relation to Brazil was not based on truthful data; it was based on unreal data.",2347.02,2355.8,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":108,"indexable":72},326,"37489","I had the opportunity to hand President Trump the material in writing, showing the mistake that had occurred.",2356.52,2363.52,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},327,"37490","And obviously our relationship with China has been growing.",2364.7,2367.44,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},328,"37491","And it will grow, our relationship will grow in the space sector, will grow in our technological relationship, in the digital area.",2369.38,2379.94,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},329,"37492","We want to take advantage of all countries that want to make investments in Brazil.",2381.12,2385.5,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},330,"37493","What we offer is, you know, political security, social security, legal stability.",2386.4,2395.52,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},331,"37494","So that people make investments in Brazil, whatever they 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I left the meeting with President Trump certain that we will establish an agreement.",2514.24,2523.8,{"idx":2170,"utterance_id":2171,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2172,"start_s":2173,"end_s":2174,"word_count":184,"indexable":72},354,"37517","At the end of the meeting with President Trump, I told him that it was very important that our negotiators start talking soon.",2525.2,2533.3,{"idx":2176,"utterance_id":2177,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2178,"start_s":2179,"end_s":2180,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},355,"37518","I suggested it be the same night.",2534.62,2536.6,{"idx":2182,"utterance_id":2183,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2184,"start_s":2185,"end_s":2186,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},356,"37519","It wasn't the same night, but it was the next morning at eight o'clock.",2538.18,2541.42,{"idx":2188,"utterance_id":2189,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2190,"start_s":2191,"end_s":2192,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},357,"37520","There was a first meeting.",2543.32,2544.42,{"idx":2194,"utterance_id":2195,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2196,"start_s":2197,"end_s":2198,"word_count":280,"indexable":72},358,"37521","And now my Minister of Foreign Affairs, my Vice President of the Republic and my Finance Minister are prepared to schedule a new meeting, if appropriate, to go to Washington to negotiate.",2545.38,2557.74,{"idx":2200,"utterance_id":2201,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2202,"start_s":2203,"end_s":2204,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},359,"37522","And I told President Trump clearly and I handed it to him in writing, you know?",2559.24,2565.42,{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},360,"37523","So that we wouldn't be left with that saying that words fly.",2566.08,2570.14,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},361,"37524","I gave it in writing.",2570.96,2571.98,{"idx":2218,"utterance_id":2219,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2220,"start_s":2221,"end_s":2222,"word_count":150,"indexable":72},362,"37525","We want him to... renounce the punishments against our ministers of the Supreme Court and we want the tariffs to be set to zero so we can start discussing from zero.",2573.14,2585.9,{"idx":2224,"utterance_id":2225,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2226,"start_s":2227,"end_s":2228,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},363,"37526","Only then will you start the negotiation.",2587.38,2589.1,{"idx":2230,"utterance_id":2231,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2232,"start_s":2233,"end_s":2234,"word_count":152,"indexable":72},364,"37527","I told him that I recognize that one country can tax another.",2590.08,2593.14,{"idx":2236,"utterance_id":2237,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2238,"start_s":2239,"end_s":2240,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},365,"37528","I'm tired of signing things that tax other countries.",2594.68,2597.46,{"idx":2242,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":230,"indexable":72},366,"37529","But within the WTO's limits, for example, the WTO's maximum limit, to charge a country's tariff is 35%.",2598.52,2609.8,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},367,"37530","He went as far as to set 50% based on an untruth.",2611.82,2615.82,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},368,"37531","So, that has been put on the table.",2616.6,2618.38,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":304,"indexable":72},369,"37532","When I finish the COP, if no meeting has been scheduled between my negotiators and Trump's negotiators, I'll call Trump again, because he has my phone and I have his phone.",2619.62,2635.18,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},370,"37533","So, here's the thing, the interest is mine in negotiating.",2636.48,2638.9,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":370,"indexable":72},371,"37534","So, when the COP ends, if the meeting hasn't taken place, I will have no problem calling President Trump, I will have no problem going to Washington, I will have no problem going to New York and I hope he will have no problem coming to Brazil.",2639.9,2653.22,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},372,"37535","We are the two largest democracies in the Western world.",2654.8,2658.22,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},373,"37536","And, therefore, the more respect we treat each other with, the more cordiality we show,",2659.56,2666.32,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},374,"37537","to the world, it will be better for the United States and better for Brazil.",2666.9,2670.74,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},375,"37538","That's how I do 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It's already 1 trillion and 300 billion dollars.",2800.34,2805.64,{"idx":2374,"utterance_id":2375,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2376,"start_s":2377,"end_s":2378,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},388,"37551","Well, if they didn't give 100 billion, will they give 1 trillion?",2807.34,2810.24,{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},389,"37552","So, what's the great novelty of this COP?",2812.68,2815.14,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},390,"37553","It's that we created a tropical forests forever fund.",2816.16,2821,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":81,"indexable":72},391,"37554","The 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Yesterday I saw something fantastic, yesterday I saw a robot to harvest açaí.",3102.16,3109.06,{"idx":2673,"utterance_id":2674,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2675,"start_s":2676,"end_s":2677,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},438,"37601","Have you ever seen a guy pick an açaí bunch?",3109.34,3112.24,{"idx":2679,"utterance_id":2680,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2681,"start_s":2682,"end_s":2683,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},439,"37602","Did you see how he climbs the palm tree?",3112.76,3114.52,{"idx":2685,"utterance_id":2686,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2687,"start_s":2688,"end_s":2689,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},440,"37603","Well, yesterday the businessman here from Pará showed a little robot; it cuts the bunch and brings it, without risking anyone's life.",3115.7,3125.46,{"idx":2691,"utterance_id":2692,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":2693,"start_s":2694,"end_s":2695,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},441,"37604","So, we have 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Because we can't do things poorly, because the damage would be much worse.",3645.04,3652.84,{"idx":3325,"utterance_id":3326,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3327,"start_s":3328,"end_s":3329,"word_count":192,"indexable":72},547,"37710","So, later, when we find out, when we have the results of the survey, a whole new discussion will start again.",3654.02,3660.1,{"idx":3331,"utterance_id":3332,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3333,"start_s":3334,"end_s":3335,"word_count":304,"indexable":72},548,"37711","Because see, when I told you that Petrobras tends to transform over time into an energy company, it's because it already participates very strongly in the ethanol issue, in the biodiesel issue.",3662.16,3674.12,{"idx":3337,"utterance_id":3338,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3339,"start_s":3340,"end_s":3341,"word_count":87,"indexable":72},549,"37712","It knows 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biodiesel.",3703.6,3708.72,{"idx":3367,"utterance_id":3368,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3369,"start_s":3370,"end_s":3371,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},554,"37717","which makes it cleaner than others.",3709.26,3713.18,{"idx":3373,"utterance_id":3374,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3375,"start_s":3376,"end_s":3377,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},555,"37718","Furthermore, our electricity matrix is 87% renewable.",3714.9,3719.46,{"idx":3379,"utterance_id":3380,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3381,"start_s":3382,"end_s":3383,"word_count":152,"indexable":72},556,"37719","Moreover, we have an extraordinary world of wind and solar.",3720.62,3726.14,{"idx":3385,"utterance_id":3386,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3387,"start_s":3388,"end_s":3389,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},557,"37720","And furthermore, we have 40 million hectares of degraded land to recover.",3727.66,3733.28,{"idx":3391,"utterance_id":3392,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3393,"start_s":3394,"end_s":3395,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},558,"37721","There will be a lot of investment.",3734.88,3736.64,{"idx":3397,"utterance_id":3398,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3399,"start_s":3400,"end_s":3401,"word_count":21,"indexable":72},559,"37722","to plant new energy crops, so that we can make more biodiesel, create more jobs and generate more energy independence for Brazil.",3737.48,3746.6,{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":81,"indexable":72},560,"37723","That's it.",3749.06,3749.4,{"idx":3409,"utterance_id":3410,"speaker_name":69,"text":3411,"start_s":3412,"end_s":3413,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},561,"37724","I wanted to reinforce the question here, but don't you think it's a bit incoherent with your ambition to be an environmental leader?",3751.66,3761.28,{"idx":3415,"utterance_id":3416,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3417,"start_s":3418,"end_s":3419,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},562,"37725","First of all, I don't want to be an environmental leader.",3762.62,3764.52,{"idx":3421,"utterance_id":3422,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3423,"start_s":3424,"end_s":3425,"word_count":87,"indexable":72},563,"37726","I never claimed that.",3764.62,3765.6,{"idx":3427,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":162,"indexable":72},564,"37727","I want to do what the experts and my government, my conscience say has to be done.",3767.92,3774.24,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":174,"indexable":72},565,"37728","I would be incoherent if I, in an act of irresponsibility, said, well, we are not going to use oil anymore.",3776.68,3784.36,{"idx":3439,"utterance_id":3440,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3441,"start_s":3442,"end_s":3443,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},566,"37729","It would be an act of incoherence and irresponsibility because we would not survive without it.",3785.3,3789.66,{"idx":3445,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},567,"37730","And no world can survive without it.",3791.76,3796.74,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},568,"37731","And few countries are closer than we are to living without it.",3796.78,3801.96,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":198,"indexable":72},569,"37732","The way we are acting, we might be the first country in the world able to give it up.",3803.22,3809.08,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":152,"indexable":72},570,"37733","But that is why I say it is a matter of responsibility.",3809.92,3812.64,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},571,"37734","We have people who think we should not explore oil anywhere.",3814.34,3817.98,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},572,"37735","There are plenty of people who say that.",3819.9,3822.26,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},573,"37736","But that is indeed incoherent, if you do not present an alternative.",3823.9,3828.44,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":128,"indexable":72},574,"37737","I end oil — and what am I going to use?",3829.44,3833.7,{"idx":469,"utterance_id":3493,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3494,"start_s":3495,"end_s":3496,"word_count":101,"indexable":72},"37738","We have to be responsible.",3833.76,3835.2,{"idx":3498,"utterance_id":3499,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3500,"start_s":3501,"end_s":3502,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},576,"37739","So, as head of state, I have to be responsible.",3835.28,3838.64,{"idx":3504,"utterance_id":3505,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3506,"start_s":3507,"end_s":3508,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},577,"37740","And I will repeat what I said to him.",3839.64,3841.32,{"idx":3510,"utterance_id":3511,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3512,"start_s":3513,"end_s":3514,"word_count":310,"indexable":72},578,"37741","Rest assured that we have the most serious company in the oil field, very serious, a company committed to the energy transition, committed, and part of Petrobras's resources are earmarked so that we can make investments in renewable energies.",3842.02,3861.92,{"idx":3516,"utterance_id":3517,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3518,"start_s":3519,"end_s":3520,"word_count":192,"indexable":72},579,"37742","And I dream of one day transforming Petrobras into an energy company, not an oil company.",3863.1,3869.06,{"idx":3522,"utterance_id":3523,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3524,"start_s":3525,"end_s":3526,"word_count":280,"indexable":72},580,"37743","And in the equatorial margin it took a long time, I don't know if you have the correct information, but if we don't do the survey, it will take us another three years to carry out the survey.",3870.44,3882.12,{"idx":3528,"utterance_id":3529,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3530,"start_s":3531,"end_s":3532,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},581,"37744","So there is also the technological opportunity to do things, you know.",3883.6,3889.16,{"idx":3534,"utterance_id":3535,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3536,"start_s":3537,"end_s":3538,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},582,"37745","There aren't many rigs available in the world.",3890.62,3892.9,{"idx":3540,"utterance_id":3541,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3542,"start_s":3543,"end_s":3544,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},583,"37746","So, we took advantage of some time.",3894.36,3896.32,{"idx":3546,"utterance_id":3547,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3548,"start_s":3549,"end_s":3550,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},584,"37747","And let's go, let me test to see what there 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Brown.",3970.02,3979.98,{"idx":3593,"utterance_id":3594,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3595,"start_s":3596,"end_s":3597,"word_count":21,"indexable":72},592,"37755","Everyone called me trying to convince me that we should shift the responsibility for the world's pollution onto China.",3980.48,3991.22,{"idx":3599,"utterance_id":3600,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3601,"start_s":3602,"end_s":3603,"word_count":21,"indexable":72},593,"37756","I remember Sarkozy arrived in Copenhagen with 50 journalists for a press conference with me, thinking I was going to condemn China.",3993.1,4002.92,{"idx":3605,"utterance_id":3606,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3607,"start_s":3608,"end_s":3609,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},594,"37757","And what did I say at that meeting?",4004.76,4006.16,{"idx":3611,"utterance_id":3612,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3613,"start_s":3614,"end_s":3615,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},595,"37758","It's true that China pollutes a lot.",4008.2,4011.84,{"idx":3617,"utterance_id":3618,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3619,"start_s":3620,"end_s":3621,"word_count":140,"indexable":72},596,"37759","But it's true that industrialized countries have been polluting for 200 years.",4013.46,4016.96,{"idx":3623,"utterance_id":3624,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3625,"start_s":3626,"end_s":3627,"word_count":94,"indexable":72},597,"37760","So there is a debt.",4019.18,4020.72,{"idx":3629,"utterance_id":3630,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3631,"start_s":3632,"end_s":3633,"word_count":174,"indexable":72},598,"37761","So it is necessary to know whether industrialized countries will pay the debt they owe to the planet.",4022.98,4027.62,{"idx":3635,"utterance_id":3636,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3637,"start_s":3638,"end_s":3639,"word_count":108,"indexable":72},599,"37762","Instead of us wanting to just go after China, who is going to pay your bill?",4029.22,4034.26,{"idx":3641,"utterance_id":3642,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3643,"start_s":3644,"end_s":3645,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},600,"37763","Because that is the concrete fact.",4037.26,4038.64,{"idx":3647,"utterance_id":3648,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3649,"start_s":3650,"end_s":3651,"word_count":292,"indexable":72},601,"37764","You cannot take a country that doesn't pollute at all, because it has nothing, whose people almost have nothing to eat, and expect it to have the same responsibility as a country like the United States.",4039.26,4048.26,{"idx":3653,"utterance_id":3654,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3655,"start_s":3656,"end_s":3657,"word_count":9,"indexable":72},602,"37765","A country like Germany, highly industrialized, no — you have to... You have to take into account the commitments, the debts, so that we are fair.",4049.72,4059.12,{"idx":3659,"utterance_id":3660,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3661,"start_s":3662,"end_s":3663,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},603,"37766","So, after that, China advanced a lot.",4060.98,4064.58,{"idx":3665,"utterance_id":3666,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3667,"start_s":3668,"end_s":3669,"word_count":133,"indexable":72},604,"37767","China today is a country that has advanced a great deal on the climate issue.",4065.8,4070.2,{"idx":3671,"utterance_id":3672,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3673,"start_s":3674,"end_s":3675,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},605,"37768","China will come to this COP with a lot of moral standing because it has things to show.",4071.9,4076.14,{"idx":3677,"utterance_id":3678,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3679,"start_s":3680,"end_s":3681,"word_count":43,"indexable":72},606,"37769","China's advances on the electric motor issue are almost... We didn't think five years ago that we would see all this evolution.",4076.66,4086.14,{"idx":3683,"utterance_id":3684,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3685,"start_s":3686,"end_s":3687,"word_count":198,"indexable":72},607,"37770","So, I think it no longer makes sense to keep trying to figure out who pollutes more or who pollutes less.",4087.4,4096.34,{"idx":3689,"utterance_id":3690,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3691,"start_s":3692,"end_s":3693,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},608,"37771","Today what is posed to us is the following: are we going to take care of it or not?",4096.4,4099.6,{"idx":3695,"utterance_id":3696,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3697,"start_s":3698,"end_s":3699,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},609,"37772","And then my concern is to create a political instrument capable of enforcing the approval of the things we approve there.",4099.64,4111.4,{"idx":3701,"utterance_id":3702,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3703,"start_s":3704,"end_s":3705,"word_count":228,"indexable":72},610,"37773","So, I don't know how to do it, but our proposal is to create an environmental council, linked to the UN — it must always be linked to the UN — so that when a decision is made, for the countries that do not comply, only then can you think about what penalty you will create for each country.",4115.18,4134.7,{"idx":3707,"utterance_id":3708,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3709,"start_s":3710,"end_s":3711,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},611,"37774","That could be a consented penalty.",4136.86,4140.4,{"idx":3713,"utterance_id":3714,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3715,"start_s":3716,"end_s":3717,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},612,"37775","In a multilateral way and not a unilateral decision by one country wanting to punish another.",4141.2,4146.52,{"idx":3719,"utterance_id":3720,"speaker_name":69,"text":3721,"start_s":3722,"end_s":3723,"word_count":192,"indexable":72},613,"37776","COP 29 ended with developing countries quite upset because of financing and civil society as well.",4151.82,4158.88,{"idx":3725,"utterance_id":3726,"speaker_name":69,"text":3727,"start_s":3728,"end_s":3729,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},614,"37777","And they are once again expressing this fear.",4159.08,4163.22,{"idx":3731,"utterance_id":3732,"speaker_name":69,"text":3733,"start_s":3734,"end_s":3735,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},615,"37778","that COP 30 will also end with the same frustration.",4163.26,4166.04,{"idx":3737,"utterance_id":3738,"speaker_name":69,"text":3739,"start_s":3740,"end_s":3741,"word_count":162,"indexable":72},616,"37779","So how will Brazil ensure that this COP achieves concrete progress if there are no concrete targets?",4166.56,4173.72,{"idx":3743,"utterance_id":3744,"speaker_name":69,"text":3745,"start_s":3746,"end_s":3747,"word_count":150,"indexable":72},617,"37780","Could you explain a little more what you said at the start about fossil fuels, that you might speak at this COP about a date for a phase-out, if I understand correctly?",4175.64,4185.84,{"idx":3749,"utterance_id":3750,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3751,"start_s":3752,"end_s":3753,"word_count":87,"indexable":72},618,"37781","A date?",4186.34,4187.02,{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},619,"37782","No, I don't think we are in a position to leave here with a date.",4188.08,4193.12,{"idx":3761,"utterance_id":3762,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3763,"start_s":3764,"end_s":3765,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},620,"37783","That's why we are proposing that you discuss a path to be pursued.",4194.28,4204.36,{"idx":3767,"utterance_id":3768,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3769,"start_s":3770,"end_s":3771,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},621,"37784","That is, what steps we need to take at each moment so that things happen.",4205.02,4214.68,{"idx":3773,"utterance_id":3774,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3775,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},622,"37785","That's what you have to be careful about.",4214.94,4216.7,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":60,"indexable":72},623,"37786","Because if you make proposals that are unrealistic, they may look beautiful when you make them, but they are demoralizing when they don't happen.",4219.3,4232.62,{"idx":3785,"utterance_id":3786,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3787,"start_s":3788,"end_s":3789,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},624,"37787","So, a long time ago, in the trade union movement, I learned a life lesson.",4234.98,4242.08,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},"37788","When you demand something very high, even if you get half, it's a defeat.",4243.72,4252.3,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":108,"indexable":72},626,"37789","So I came to have as a life lesson... always to make a demand close to what was possible.",4254.18,4262.6,{"idx":3802,"utterance_id":3803,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3804,"start_s":3805,"end_s":3806,"word_count":99,"indexable":72},627,"37790","And what happens when you do things close to what is possible?",4266.24,4270.04,{"idx":3808,"utterance_id":3809,"speaker_name":103,"speaker_slug":104,"text":3810,"start_s":3811,"end_s":3812,"word_count":110,"indexable":72},628,"37791","When you succeed, it's a 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