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inflation.",568.94,574.22,{"idx":598,"utterance_id":599,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":600,"start_s":601,"end_s":602,"word_count":298,"indexable":13},98,"189267","The federal government must be fiscally responsible, because you increase the margin for the Central Bank to lower interest rates, although, in my opinion, it seems that those at the Central Bank are hyper-responsible; they are responsible for containing inflation, but they are cruel to production.",574.66,597.02,{"idx":604,"utterance_id":605,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":606,"start_s":607,"end_s":608,"word_count":42,"indexable":13},99,"189268","There is an unprecedented paradox.",597.34,598.74,{"idx":610,"utterance_id":611,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":612,"start_s":613,"end_s":614,"word_count":40,"indexable":13},100,"189269","We are the country with the highest real interest rates in the 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the Federal Police about this topic, because I have given training at the Federal Police and have given several free trainings at the Association of Magistrates of Brazil.",652.46,664.6,{"idx":664,"utterance_id":665,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":666,"start_s":667,"end_s":668,"word_count":54,"indexable":13},109,"189278","Our Constitution specifies what it means for a criminal organization to become a terrorist organization.",665.24,672.84,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},110,"189279","There are still elements... their opinion is divided.",673,676.72,{"idx":676,"utterance_id":677,"speaker_name":97,"speaker_slug":98,"text":678,"start_s":679,"end_s":680,"word_count":220,"indexable":13},111,"189280","There are elements that would constitute it; others think they do not, because there is no desire to steal from the country, there is no climate of terror, there are no 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