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you are always a proponent of periodic spending reviews, and there are data on Bolsa Família that are somewhat worrying — about some people leaving the labor market to remain on Bolsa Família.",26.02,38.3,40,{"idx":59,"utterance_id":60,"speaker_name":8,"text":61,"start_s":62,"end_s":63,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},8,"168684","How do you view these data?",38.54,40.82,{"idx":32,"utterance_id":65,"speaker_name":8,"text":66,"start_s":67,"end_s":68,"word_count":69,"indexable":12},"168685","And an exit route from the social program — is a more direct exit route necessary?",41.08,45.88,20,{"idx":71,"utterance_id":72,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":75,"start_s":76,"end_s":77,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},10,"168686","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","Well, first of all, good afternoon.",46.68,48.18,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":79,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":80,"start_s":81,"end_s":82,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},"168687","Good afternoon to all those watching us on CNN.",48.22,51.12,{"idx":84,"utterance_id":85,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":86,"start_s":87,"end_s":88,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},12,"168688","Tainá, it's a pleasure to also be here with you.",51.26,53.56,{"idx":90,"utterance_id":91,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":92,"start_s":93,"end_s":94,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},13,"168689","Daniel.",54.04,54.52,{"idx":96,"utterance_id":97,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":98,"start_s":99,"end_s":100,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},14,"168690","Uribe, well, your question is important because, first, spending review is a constitutional obligation.",56.04,62.7,17,{"idx":103,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":108,"indexable":12},15,"168691","We are taking care of the Brazilian people's money and we must do so with diligence, efficiency, and quality; after all, it is a wealthy country that still has a very poor population.",63.66,72.2,30,{"idx":110,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},16,"168692","So we have public policies that need to be delivered immediately to the Brazilian population, but the budget is finite.",72.46,81.28,21,{"idx":101,"utterance_id":117,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":118,"start_s":119,"end_s":120,"word_count":69,"indexable":12},"168693","And Brazil already has one of the highest tax rates in the world, one of the highest tax burdens in the world.",82.04,88.84,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":123,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":124,"start_s":125,"end_s":126,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},18,"168694","So how do we make the money go further for people?",89.18,91.6,{"idx":128,"utterance_id":129,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":130,"start_s":131,"end_s":132,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},19,"168695","It's important — I always like to talk about the economy in a very simple way, because it's a way for people to understand what we are doing.",91.64,99.66,{"idx":69,"utterance_id":134,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":135,"start_s":136,"end_s":137,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},"168696","By doing the homework of taking good care of the Brazilian people's money.",99.94,103.78,{"idx":115,"utterance_id":139,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":140,"start_s":141,"end_s":142,"word_count":143,"indexable":12},"168697","So, since I took over the ministry and from the first day, and it was President Lula's directive, he gave me carte blanche.",104.16,110.92,23,{"idx":145,"utterance_id":146,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":147,"start_s":148,"end_s":149,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},22,"168698","Carte blanche in that sense was to analyze possible fraud, possible errors, and waste in public policies.",110.94,119.02,{"idx":143,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},"168699","Where I have one ministry that has a public policy and another that does the same thing?",119.2,123.12,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},24,"168700","Is there overlap?",123.26,124.54,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":163,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":164,"start_s":165,"end_s":166,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},25,"168701","Because of this overlap, is there any public policy that I am failing to implement and thereby failing to serve people?",124.84,130.78,{"idx":168,"utterance_id":169,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":170,"start_s":171,"end_s":172,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},26,"168702","Parallel to that... We created for the first time in history a secretariat — the Secretariat for the Evaluation of Public Policies.",131.54,138.48,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":174,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":175,"start_s":176,"end_s":177,"word_count":178,"indexable":12},"168703","So, every year we release the so-called 'color reports', which are the results of studies that the team... that a team from planning alone, involving Casa Civil, involving the Ministry of Management and Innovation — we, across four ministries through CEMAP, analyze public policies.",138.76,157.5,43,{"idx":180,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},28,"168704","It's efficient; it has to 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a recent remark of yours. You said that the next President of the Republic will not be able to govern the country with the fiscal framework that exists today, suggesting a change in fiscal adjustment at the end of 2026.",364.62,381.08,{"idx":381,"utterance_id":382,"speaker_name":8,"text":383,"start_s":384,"end_s":385,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},62,"168738","I wanted to know two things.",381.24,382.4,{"idx":387,"utterance_id":388,"speaker_name":8,"text":389,"start_s":390,"end_s":391,"word_count":69,"indexable":12},63,"168739","In your assessment, why, or couldn't this modification be made now, in light of the squeeze on public spending?",383.04,391.7,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":8,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":44,"indexable":12},64,"168740","And what could a new fiscal framework project look like, Minister?",392.24,396.16,{"idx":399,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},65,"168741","Thank you, Tainá.",397.2,400.32,{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":145,"indexable":12},66,"168742","I'm laughing here because I was joking with Daniel about this issue, the answer to which would somehow have generated controversy.",400.58,408.92,{"idx":411,"utterance_id":412,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":413,"start_s":414,"end_s":415,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},67,"168743","That is the importance of predictability.",409.54,411.58,{"idx":417,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":143,"indexable":12},68,"168744","We also managed to implement — it was a merit of this government that accepted a suggestion from our Ministry to do medium-term budgeting.",411.62,419.42,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},69,"168745","In other words, now when we present the LDO project, it is not only with the estimate for the year.",419.46,425.82,{"idx":429,"utterance_id":430,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":431,"start_s":432,"end_s":433,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},70,"168746","We now present estimates not only for the year but for the following year plus two and plus three.",426.14,428.7,{"idx":435,"utterance_id":436,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":437,"start_s":438,"end_s":439,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},71,"168747","So, since last year, we've already been seeing some signs of the Brazilian budget being squeezed.",429.14,435.12,{"idx":441,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},72,"168748","Let's recall three very quick points.",435.54,437.7,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},73,"168749","The framework that we sent to the National Congress was modified.",437.96,441.74,{"idx":453,"utterance_id":454,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":455,"start_s":456,"end_s":457,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},74,"168750","No criticism intended, because that's what democracy is.",442.08,444.2,{"idx":459,"utterance_id":460,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":461,"start_s":462,"end_s":463,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},75,"168751","Congress loosened the framework.",444.54,446.54,{"idx":465,"utterance_id":466,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":467,"start_s":468,"end_s":469,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},76,"168752","that we wanted to impose on Brazil.",447.18,450.54,{"idx":471,"utterance_id":472,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":473,"start_s":474,"end_s":475,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},77,"168753","Then, in the fiscal adjustment, knowing that there would be a need for fewer spending cuts down the line, Congress — although it approved almost 90% of our suggestions — did not approve 100%.",450.88,464.98,{"idx":477,"utterance_id":478,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":479,"start_s":480,"end_s":481,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},78,"168754","While already drafting the PLDO for next year, therefore drafting it this year, we found that already in 2027 we will have a big problem.",466.3,476.24,{"idx":483,"utterance_id":484,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":485,"start_s":486,"end_s":487,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},79,"168755","Why?",476.36,476.68,{"idx":489,"utterance_id":490,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":491,"start_s":492,"end_s":493,"word_count":246,"indexable":12},80,"168756","We are experiencing a very large growth in mandatory expenditures, such as Social Security, pensions, salaries; mandatory expenses, including the BPC, are increasing a lot and squeezing the money that remains for public investments, even for the parliamentary amendments of Congress.",476.74,495.44,{"idx":495,"utterance_id":496,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":497,"start_s":498,"end_s":499,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},81,"168757","for making investments in health and education, beyond what is considered the floor.",496.04,501.48,{"idx":501,"utterance_id":502,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":503,"start_s":504,"end_s":505,"word_count":57,"indexable":12},82,"168758","So, given this situation, and finally, which is the third point, from 2027 onwards, remember, we lost that \"wave\", which was our ability to pay precatórios outside the rules of the framework.",501.9,518,{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":69,"indexable":12},83,"168759","And we are not talking about a small amount; we are talking about adding at least another 40 to 50%.",518.28,524.4,{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},84,"168760","Besides, the framework's rules.",524.62,526.66,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},85,"168761","So, why 2027?",526.94,527.82,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},86,"168762","People said, 'Oh, is it because it's another president?'",528.62,531.08,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},87,"168763","No.",531.12,531.28,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},88,"168764","It's because in 2027 I am obliged to bring precatórios inside.",531.6,534.78,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},89,"168765","And repeating, it's not one billion, two billion or four billion reais.",534.82,538.16,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},90,"168766","It's a lot of money.",538.46,539.14,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":44,"indexable":12},91,"168767","So, given this scenario, what observation do I make?",539.42,541.96,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},92,"168768","Speaking from my experience with the National Congress, because I was a senator there for eight years, we have a window of opportunity that is not now.",542.92,550.5,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},93,"168769","We are on the eve of an election.",550.56,553.42,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},94,"168770","The National Congress will not want to vote anything that could be, in some way, contentious.",553.46,559.12,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},95,"168771","We have a window that is after the election, whoever the next President of the Republic may be; we have a window for a PEC.",559.42,566.58,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},96,"168772","Just as four years ago there was the 'spending' PEC, now the process is the inverse.",567.12,571.4,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":57,"indexable":12},97,"168773","Just as there was a transition PEC — many call it the spending PEC — we needed to restore public policies; I even voted in favor; I thought it did not need to be 160 billion, maybe 120 billion, 130 would have been sufficient, but we approved it in the National Congress.",571.84,585.56,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":209,"indexable":12},98,"168774","a window of opportunity for a 'tightening the belt' PEC, where we don't need to change the framework or adopt another fiscal rule; we need, within the same framework, to establish certain parameters.",586.78,600.9,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":143,"indexable":12},99,"168775","I'll give two or three examples here, which doesn't mean these are necessarily the ones I'm thinking of — the minister has already started speaking.",601.34,607.3,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},100,"168776","Are we going to put the education and health floors inside the rules of the framework?",607.66,611.8,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},101,"168777","Or will we say that Brazil's spending limit from 2027 onwards will not be inflation plus 2.5%, but inflation plus 2%?",612.08,624.34,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},102,"168778","I don't know.",624.86,625.36,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":180,"indexable":12},103,"168779","That will have to come after a conversation by the economic team, together with the president or the next president, and will also depend on the will of the National Congress.",625.76,634.3,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},104,"168780","But that we will need to perfect the fiscal framework and the Brazilian fiscal regime, we will.",634.34,642.28,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},105,"168781","Because, again, it's not enough just to combat fraud, combat errors, combat waste, because mandatory expenditures in Brazil are growing and growing very quickly.",642.54,654.08,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":8,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},106,"168782","But, Minister, month by month the situation is getting more difficult and year after year.",654.12,659.44,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":8,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":180,"indexable":12},107,"168783","Just to pick a figure from the PLDO, which was recently sent to the National Congress, in 2029 the government's discretionary spending will be less than 10 billion reais.",659.56,670.1,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":8,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":44,"indexable":12},108,"168784","Today we're talking about amounts exceeding 200 billion reais.",670.52,673.6,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":8,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},109,"168785","That's the size of the squeeze.",673.94,675.24,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":8,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":240,"indexable":12},110,"168786","Do you think... Is it appropriate for this government still to make a suggestion, to present a proposal for discussion, because if we leave everything until 2027, regardless of which government it is, we're postponing the debate?",675.94,691.76,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},111,"168787","Daniel, we have many suggestions and they're in the drawers.",692.32,695.3,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},112,"168788","We, the economic team... But nobody knows about them.",695.74,697.42,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},113,"168789","But we can't, because it's a suggestion that, for now, is within a technical analysis.",697.96,702.08,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":168,"indexable":12},114,"168790","And, as I said, it's no use for us to discuss something now that will have to be debated with the National Congress after the 2026 elections.",702.4,711.84,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":228,"indexable":12},115,"168791","The experience of Brazilian politics shows that we can't implement reforms, whatever they are — structural reforms, and we're talking about something structural — on the eve, with about a year and a half until the election.",712.94,727.14,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},116,"168792","So, I think we have to advance on other things; there are many measures there.",727.48,730.92,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},117,"168793","We have to look not only at the spending side, and there we're already making progress.",731.34,736.9,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},118,"168794","There is the issue of super salaries, there is the issue of tax expenditures.",736.96,740.9,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":143,"indexable":12},119,"168795","So it's not that the government is idle or that it doesn't have a package of measures, including initiatives from the National Congress itself.",741.14,747.46,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},120,"168796","Now we need to set priorities.",748.2,749.86,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},121,"168797","I have high expectations for these two young people who are in the presidencies of the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate.",750.74,756.38,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},122,"168798","I am an eternal optimist, although I can no longer afford to be romantic after more than 35 years in politics.",756.7,762.66,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},123,"168799","Politics in my life, right, but only in elective office for some 20-odd years.",762.96,768.24,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},124,"168800","But having come to know Brazil in depth, having had the opportunity to travel across Brazil more than once, I say that I am a realistic optimist, an optimistic realist.",768.7,779.18,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},125,"168801","And I have very high expectations regarding both the president of the Chamber of Deputies and the president of the Senate, that they are willing to leave some legacies at the end of their respective terms as presidents of the Chamber and the Senate.",780.02,794.12,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":128,"indexable":12},126,"168802","And within that aspect, I think there are some measures that meet the aspirations of the Brazilian population.",794.38,799.6,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},127,"168803","What is a priority for the Brazilian population?",800.04,801.94,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},128,"168804","Does the Brazilian population agree with super salaries?",802.22,805.06,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},129,"168805","That someone earns more than the ceiling established by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",805.1,808.66,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},130,"168806","That they resort to window-dressing to include revenues, or in this case, into the pockets of public servants?",808.72,815.84,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},131,"168807","which are considered a way to circumvent or violate the very legislation and the Constitution.",816.62,822.6,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},132,"168808","Measures like these, I think, need to advance within the National Congress; they would help us a lot.",822.88,827.7,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},133,"168809","You could say, but Minister, this is within the Brazilian budget.",827.72,832.86,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},134,"168810","But that's what Brazil needs.",833.26,834.58,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},135,"168811","We need to stop talking only about numbers and talk about values.",834.6,837.6,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},136,"168812","Non-numeric values, values in the ethical sense.",837.92,840.22,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":447,"indexable":12},137,"168813","To show the Brazilian population that earns a minimum wage — and the minimum wage will reach only 1,630 reais, maybe with a small variation because that can change until the end of the year — to look at that citizen there and say, it's worth being honest, it's worth my working, it's worth my going and contributing to the country, because those at the top also set an example.",840.78,862.54,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":145,"indexable":12},138,"168814","So, it's issues like these moralizing ones that we need to start putting on the everyday agenda of Brazilian politics.",862.56,868.98,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":8,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":143,"indexable":12},139,"168815","You outlined a scenario of considerable concern for 2027, and one of the points is the precatórios that go into the fiscal target.",869,874.92,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":8,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},140,"168816","Is the federal government evaluating the possibility of filing a legal action, possibly at the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), to keep the precatórios outside the fiscal target?",875.56,882.16,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},141,"168817","That's not on the economic team's agenda.",882.2,884.12,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":8,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},142,"168818","No possibility?",885.24,886.3,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},143,"168819","Within the Ministry of Planning, no.",887.34,889.5,{"idx":873,"utterance_id":874,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":875,"start_s":876,"end_s":877,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},144,"168820","And I speak weekly with the Ministry of Finance; there's also nothing on the radar.",889.56,893.08,{"idx":879,"utterance_id":880,"speaker_name":8,"text":881,"start_s":882,"end_s":883,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},145,"168821","I'd like to take the opportunity to talk about the rainy-day fund.",893.16,894.54,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":8,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},146,"168822","whose resources are kept outside the budget.",895.04,896.98,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":8,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},147,"168823","How can we ensure that the rainy-day fund has resources even when they are kept outside the budget?",897.08,901.48,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},148,"168824","It used to be, but it isn't anymore.",902.08,903.28,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},149,"168825","The Court of Auditors itself has already determined that it's possible to use one of the funds, the other not.",903.48,908.84,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":44,"indexable":12},150,"168826","We have already allocated one billion and we're probably going to be short one billion.",909.24,912.92,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},151,"168827","In the second half of the year, we have budgetary room to take from some expenditure and, if necessary — and I believe there will be a need — to provide that missing 1 billion in the second half.",913.76,925.26,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},152,"168828","It doesn't have to be done now.",925.28,926.26,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":8,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},153,"168829","Where would that 1 billion come from?",926.38,927.44,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},154,"168830","We will analyze it within what is being executed.",927.76,930.48,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},155,"168831","There are many public policies and public investments that often have bidding processes that are delayed, projects halted, or where there was a withdrawal, or that for some technical reason cannot be executed.",930.74,943.7,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},156,"168832","So you take... It could be from a PAC, it could be from any other.",943.88,947,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":186,"indexable":12},157,"168833","I don't want to start naming programs, because otherwise the minister will call me and say, not from my ministry, right?",947.34,955.22,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":69,"indexable":12},158,"168834","But the economic team, jointly, through the budget execution board, does so with great care and great responsibility.",955.56,962.1,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},159,"168835","Including taking care of the seven smallest ministries.",962.4,965.06,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},160,"168836","Those are untouchable.",965.14,966.2,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":209,"indexable":12},161,"168837","I made a request that was accepted, that the smaller ministries not be touched — those that have a very tiny budget: the Ministry of Women, the Ministry of Racial Equality, the Ministry of Indigenous Peoples.",966.68,976.1,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},162,"168838","These ministries have a very small budget, they are preserved, but we have ministries that, at the end of the year, we scrape the pot and solve Brazil's budgetary problem.",976.36,985.76,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":8,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":186,"indexable":12},163,"168839","Minister, I'd also like to talk a bit about the government's main project, or among the main ones, which is the income tax exemption for those who earn up to 5,000 reais.",986.16,997.9,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":8,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},164,"168840","And it brings as compensation the taxation of profits and dividends.",998.06,1002.3,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":8,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},165,"168841","But part of Congress sees this as a new taxation by the government, even if it's for the richest; there is some resistance, an alternative project was even presented recently.",1002.34,1014.96,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":8,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":122,"indexable":12},166,"168842","Do you see a way out for that compensation, that is, a consensual solution to also please the parliamentarians?",1015.28,1022.6,{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":8,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},167,"168843","For example, could cutting tax expenditures work, Minister, in your assessment?",1023.18,1028.22,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},168,"168844","Well, Tainá, that question is excellent; the answer is yes, it can work.",1032.2,1035.76,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":128,"indexable":12},169,"168845","Now, I've been fighting on the issue of tax expenditures since the first day I took office in the Federal Senate.",1036.02,1040.62,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},170,"168846","I must have countless speeches to that effect.",1041,1043.08,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":128,"indexable":12},171,"168847","And every time we talk about cutting tax expenditures, let's remember what that is, right?",1043.44,1048.3,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},172,"168848","For those following us, there was an increase in revenue foregone over the last years, to the point that there's an expectation that these foregone revenues will reach, by the end of this year or next year, more than 622 billion reais.",1048.6,1065.02,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":145,"indexable":12},173,"168849","Just to give an idea, I only need 10% of that in my budget to be able to please everyone within the ministries.",1065.4,1071.34,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":429,"indexable":12},174,"168850","And every time we discuss any public policy to review this tax waiver — which often had importance long ago and today no longer serves the public interest — we face lobbies, and they're legitimate; everyone has the right to go to the National Congress to question and defend their positions, but in any case, these lobbies are very strong and we can't resolve it.",1071.84,1092.96,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},175,"168851","The idea is to increase federal government revenue without increasing the tax burden — i.e., without raising taxes — by cutting from those who no longer need it.",1093.34,1102.86,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":234,"indexable":12},176,"168852","So, the first point I just wanted to make: the income tax exemption for those who earn up to 5,000 reais, and I, as the great democrat that I am, I defend democracy above all.",1103.88,1113.88,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":122,"indexable":12},177,"168853","because I think that without it we have nothing; younger people may not understand its importance.",1115.44,1120.88,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":122,"indexable":12},178,"168854","As a democrat that I am, I always believe that what is promised in a campaign must be fulfilled.",1122.2,1128.42,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},179,"168855","And it's no use later complaining, saying, 'ah, but there will be a fiscal problem' — and look who's speaking: I'm a fiscal expert.",1129.2,1134.84,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},180,"168856","There was a promise from President Lula to exempt the Brazilian population earning up to 5,000 reais from income tax.",1135.26,1140.88,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},181,"168857","So, nothing more, nothing less, he is at this moment fulfilling that promise.",1141.4,1145.34,{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},182,"168858","In what way will we compensate?",1145.8,1147.78,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":168,"indexable":12},183,"168859","And here the fiscal expert in me says: it's urgent, it's necessary; you can't forgo this and not compensate it in some other way, without raising taxes.",1147.8,1159.52,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},184,"168860","That's not possible.",1159.78,1160.3,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":234,"indexable":12},185,"168861","So we will have to create conditions in tax fairness to make those who don't pay — and that's another situation, they don't pay — pay the tax on their activity or to address the issue of tax expenditures.",1160.74,1173.68,{"idx":1125,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":297,"indexable":12},186,"168862","If you ask me what I prefer, for tax justice and for ease and because of the small number of people who would be affected, in the case of the project presented by the federal government, it's the fairest way to benefit millions and millions of Brazilians, so to speak, at the expense of 150 thousand.",1174.5,1195.76,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},187,"168863","It's not even millionaires, they're billionaires, who would have a taxation of at most 10% on the profit they are making; it is not on the person's wealth.",1196.24,1205.56,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},188,"168864","So, that's if they aren't already paying; because if they pay 7%, they'd only pay an additional 3%.",1205.92,1210.08,{"idx":1143,"utterance_id":1144,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1145,"start_s":1146,"end_s":1147,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},189,"168865","That is the fairest way.",1210.72,1212.44,{"idx":1149,"utterance_id":1150,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1151,"start_s":1152,"end_s":1153,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},190,"168866","If Congress understands that it's not in this way, that it will go through the tax expenditure side, again, here someone who values the independence of the powers...",1212.86,1221.86,{"idx":1155,"utterance_id":1156,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1157,"start_s":1158,"end_s":1159,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},191,"168867","It is the right of the National Congress to do so.",1222.74,1225.2,{"idx":1161,"utterance_id":1162,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1163,"start_s":1164,"end_s":1165,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},192,"168868","I just cannot see this alternative as an easy one, given that I spent eight years there and we tried, in every way, somehow, to change it.",1225.56,1236.1,{"idx":1167,"utterance_id":1168,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1169,"start_s":1170,"end_s":1171,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},193,"168869","The only complicated thing is to do it linearly.",1236.46,1240.08,{"idx":1173,"utterance_id":1174,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1175,"start_s":1176,"end_s":1177,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},194,"168870","I'll put it this way: I'm going to cut 10% of everyone's tax expenditures.",1240.1,1243.34,{"idx":1179,"utterance_id":1180,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1181,"start_s":1182,"end_s":1183,"word_count":145,"indexable":12},195,"168871","Also, because, in the broad sense, Bolsa Família is a tax expenditure, but it's a necessary tax expenditure; you won't cut it.",1243.7,1250.02,{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":240,"indexable":12},196,"168872","So... That's a more delicate matter, but if the National Congress finds alternatives and proves that two minus two equals zero, that is, proves that the revenue that will come will be sufficient for this fiscal waiver.",1250.46,1266.44,{"idx":1191,"utterance_id":1192,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1193,"start_s":1194,"end_s":1195,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},197,"168873","Again, it's within the autonomy and the right of the National Congress to make its contribution regarding this project, which I understand is a relevant project for Brazil.",1266.84,1278.3,{"idx":1197,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":8,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":286,"indexable":12},198,"168874","Minister, I am deeply grateful that you have delved into this issue of tax expenditure, because it becomes more evident that there is a consensus that Brazil spends too much on tax incentives, as you yourself said, 600 billion reais, more than 5% of GDP.",1278.56,1293.52,{"idx":1203,"utterance_id":1204,"speaker_name":8,"text":1205,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},199,"168875","This is unsustainable over time.",1294.02,1295.66,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":8,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":143,"indexable":12},200,"168876","The problem is that whenever we talk about reviewing tax expenditure, it's more or less like that thing with tax reform.",1295.68,1302.5,{"idx":1215,"utterance_id":1216,"speaker_name":8,"text":1217,"start_s":1218,"end_s":1219,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},201,"168877","Everyone is in favor, but when it touches your corner there, no one wants it.",1302.54,1306.7,{"idx":1221,"utterance_id":1222,"speaker_name":8,"text":1223,"start_s":1224,"end_s":1225,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},202,"168878","So that we don't leave the subject too broad, and then, obviously, given the difficulties and the lobbies that manifest, what stands out the most?",1307.64,1318.64,{"idx":1227,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":8,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},203,"168879","on paper when you look at tax expenditures.",1318.94,1322.36,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":8,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},204,"168880","There is an income tax deduction for health and education for the middle class.",1322.82,1326.42,{"idx":1239,"utterance_id":1240,"speaker_name":8,"text":1241,"start_s":1242,"end_s":1243,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},205,"168881","There is the Manaus Free Trade Zone.",1327.28,1328.72,{"idx":1245,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":8,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},206,"168882","There is the Simples Nacional, which some people are still talking about, including increasing or readjusting the Simples Nacional table.",1331.34,1336.38,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":8,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},207,"168883","What do you look at and say, 'this will have to be addressed'?",1337.06,1341.28,{"idx":1257,"utterance_id":1258,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1259,"start_s":1260,"end_s":1261,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},208,"168884","The Super Simples, but I'll explain why.",1341.92,1344.3,{"idx":1263,"utterance_id":1264,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1265,"start_s":1266,"end_s":1267,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},209,"168885","First, the Super Simples corresponds to roughly 20% of tax exemptions.",1344.96,1349.18,{"idx":1269,"utterance_id":1270,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1271,"start_s":1272,"end_s":1273,"word_count":101,"indexable":12},210,"168886","If we look at it in order, what represents the largest tax exemption should be dealt with, should be dealt with.",1349.24,1355.44,{"idx":1275,"utterance_id":1276,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1277,"start_s":1278,"end_s":1279,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},211,"168887","No, it exceeds 100 billion in tax waivers.",1355.48,1357.58,{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},212,"168888","It's an extremely relevant measure.",1357.98,1360.18,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},213,"168889","I am very supportive of the program; I voted for the earlier increase. I thought the last increase was too large, there was no way to request a separate vote, but I voted in favor.",1360.58,1369.76,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},214,"168890","Now, what happens regarding the Super Simples?",1370.32,1372.9,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},215,"168891","You have to have mechanisms to analyze, vertically, whether fraud is occurring in the granted benefit.",1373.18,1380.34,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},216,"168892","And I'll explain.",1380.48,1381.12,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":357,"indexable":12},217,"168893","Because you don't check the CPF... or even the CNPJ, someone can, when they reach the Super Simples cap, say, 'okay, I'll create another one' with a different corporate name but producing the same product, using the same CPF or the spouse's CPF, and so on.",1381.9,1401.48,{"idx":1317,"utterance_id":1318,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1319,"start_s":1320,"end_s":1321,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},218,"168894","So, within that verticality, I think it's worth refining those tax exemptions.",1401.94,1408.58,{"idx":1323,"utterance_id":1324,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1325,"start_s":1326,"end_s":1327,"word_count":26,"indexable":12},219,"168895","So, the Super Simples exists.",1408.64,1410.3,{"idx":1329,"utterance_id":1330,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1331,"start_s":1332,"end_s":1333,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},220,"168896","It needs to exist.",1410.8,1411.82,{"idx":1335,"utterance_id":1336,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1337,"start_s":1338,"end_s":1339,"word_count":186,"indexable":12},221,"168897","The small merchant, entrepreneur cannot compete with the big ones, cannot compete with China, cannot compete with imported products.",1412.2,1420.6,{"idx":1341,"utterance_id":1342,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1343,"start_s":1344,"end_s":1345,"word_count":145,"indexable":12},222,"168898","But I cannot allow a wealthy, millionaire person to have nine companies and all nine companies be in the Super Simples.",1421.4,1430.22,{"idx":1347,"utterance_id":1348,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1349,"start_s":1350,"end_s":1351,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},223,"168899","And that happens.",1430.32,1431.26,{"idx":1353,"utterance_id":1354,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1355,"start_s":1356,"end_s":1357,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},224,"168900","Then you'll ask me, Daniel, but what are we talking about?",1431.68,1434.64,{"idx":1359,"utterance_id":1360,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1361,"start_s":1362,"end_s":1363,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},225,"168901","I wouldn't know.",1435.08,1435.94,{"idx":1365,"utterance_id":1366,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1367,"start_s":1368,"end_s":1369,"word_count":411,"indexable":12},226,"168902","The Receita Federal is analyzing, must be analyzing these studies; it is very closed, so I don't even know what the Receita Federal does, because just like SOF here in my ministry, we are very reserved about passing work to other ministries; they are two very delicate bodies, but we need to have the courage to confront this with a simple measure.",1436.5,1460.12,{"idx":1371,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":46,"indexable":12},227,"168903","The Super Simples is not insignificant.",1460.42,1462.08,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},228,"168904","The ceiling today is, I think, 3,600,000.",1462.34,1465.9,{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":44,"indexable":12},229,"168905","I don't know if I'm saying nonsense, whether it's 3.8.",1465.98,1468.76,{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1391,"start_s":1387,"end_s":1392,"word_count":34,"indexable":12},230,"168906","3.8 million.",1469.94,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},231,"168907","Then you allow a single family to have 10 Super Simples companies, you're saying it's a family with gross revenue of almost 40 million reais per year.",1470.06,1480.86,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},232,"168908","So you have measures like these that could be modified by the National Congress itself, which would yield a good financial return.",1481.12,1489.3,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":8,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":52,"indexable":12},233,"168909","Income tax deduction for expenses.",1489.32,1491.48,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":8,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},234,"168910","For health and education, which is a benefit primarily enjoyed by the middle class.",1491.52,1495.92,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":8,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},235,"168911","Are you in favor of bringing it into a discussion about tax expenditures?",1496.44,1499.08,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":59,"indexable":12},236,"168912","Daniel, do you know why not now, at this moment?",1499.1,1501.4,{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":168,"indexable":12},237,"168913","Because otherwise I'd be giving with one hand and taking with the other, at least in terms of offsetting the current income tax exemption.",1501.46,1508.94,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},238,"168914","I am granting income tax exemption to the middle class.",1509.32,1511.36,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},239,"168915","Then I'll say, 'I exempt here, but you now won't be able to deduct.'",1511.64,1514.74,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":8,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},240,"168916","So it's becoming clear that the focus, let's say, is something to pay attention to...",1514.76,1518.36,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":90,"indexable":12},241,"168917","I think that in general, similar to this, we have other measures.",1518.74,1523.68,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":257,"indexable":12},242,"168918","There are, for example, some illnesses considered rare diseases — not even rare diseases, but illnesses like cancer and so on — for which you had the right to deduct; 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because of the pandemic, in the government's first year we were able to cut 12 billion from the budget and put 7 billion back in.",1593.92,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":280,"indexable":12},248,"168924","7 billion reais to families that needed Bolsa Família, but even so 5 remained; those 5 billion went to other public policies, but aside from these larger numbers, most of the analysis, the evaluation of public policies we do, are of very small amounts.",1594.82,1610.96,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":73,"speaker_slug":74,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":108,"indexable":12},249,"168925","So, if we don't touch the revenue side of tax expenditures, we may have problems, perhaps, and you're right, by the end of next year itself.",1611.2,1622.46,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":8,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},250,"168926","We need to wrap up here on Bastidores CNN; 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