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our guest, the former Minister of Planning, who will also run for the Federal Senate representing the State of São Paulo.",7.78,20,false,{"idx":14,"utterance_id":15,"speaker_name":8,"text":16,"start_s":17,"end_s":18,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},1,"67635","Minister, thank you very much for accepting our invitation.",7.86,10.24,8,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":25,"start_s":26,"end_s":27,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},2,"67636","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","I should be the one thanking you.",10.78,11.58,4,{"idx":30,"utterance_id":31,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":32,"start_s":33,"end_s":34,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},3,"67637","I want to address everyone following us on TV and through all the ways Jovem Pan reaches people's homes.",11.64,20.78,26,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":37,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":38,"start_s":39,"end_s":40,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},"67638","So, on behalf of you, Bruno, João, Verusca and 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point with you: you are from Mato Grosso do Sul.",43.48,47.36,17,{"idx":74,"utterance_id":75,"speaker_name":8,"text":76,"start_s":77,"end_s":78,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},10,"67644","A native of Mato Grosso do Sul, eight years a senator for the State and now in São Paulo.",47.8,52.34,12,{"idx":81,"utterance_id":82,"speaker_name":8,"text":83,"start_s":84,"end_s":85,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},11,"67645","We see some internal analyses, both from the opposition — names that would be your adversaries in an eventual Senate campaign — saying it's electoral opportunism to come to São Paulo.",52.38,63.14,34,{"idx":79,"utterance_id":88,"speaker_name":8,"text":89,"start_s":90,"end_s":91,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},"67646","How do you respond to that criticism?",63.72,65.12,{"idx":41,"utterance_id":93,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":94,"start_s":95,"end_s":96,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},"67647","I don't think I'm the one who has to respond to that criticism.",66.08,68,{"idx":98,"utterance_id":99,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":100,"start_s":101,"end_s":102,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},14,"67648","The one who has to answer is the voter at the polls in October.",68.06,70.8,{"idx":104,"utterance_id":105,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":106,"start_s":107,"end_s":108,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},15,"67649","First, you have to understand how São Paulo is different from the rest of Brazil.",71.48,75.64,{"idx":110,"utterance_id":111,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":112,"start_s":113,"end_s":114,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},16,"67650","And I know São Paulo a little bit.",75.72,77.18,{"idx":72,"utterance_id":116,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":117,"start_s":118,"end_s":119,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},"67651","I was born here on the border; I was raised visiting the entire northwest of São Paulo, the Arassatuba region.",77.52,83.88,{"idx":121,"utterance_id":122,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":123,"start_s":124,"end_s":125,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},18,"67652","My grandparents, when they came from Lebanon, came to Marília and to Bauru, respectively.",83.96,89.34,{"idx":127,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},19,"67653","I know the interior of São Paulo very well.",90,91.7,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":133,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":134,"start_s":135,"end_s":136,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},"67654","My husband is from Birigui; my daughters have lived here for 10 years.",91.74,94.62,{"idx":138,"utterance_id":139,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":140,"start_s":141,"end_s":142,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},21,"67655","I did a master's degree.",94.66,95.52,{"idx":144,"utterance_id":145,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":146,"start_s":147,"end_s":148,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},22,"67656","here at PUC of São Paulo.",95.58,96.78,{"idx":150,"utterance_id":151,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":152,"start_s":153,"end_s":154,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},23,"67657","There is a very long history, but that's not even the reason.",97.2,99.1,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":157,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":158,"start_s":159,"end_s":160,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},24,"67658","It's not me — it could be you, Verusca.",99.44,101.54,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":163,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":164,"start_s":165,"end_s":166,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},25,"67659","São Paulo is that land... of opportunities, that land that was built thanks to the hands and minds of millions of Brazilians coming in search of opportunities from every corner and nook of Brazil.",101.94,116.48,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":168,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":169,"start_s":170,"end_s":171,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},"67660","It's hard to find a family in São Paulo that doesn't have someone from the Northeast or the North, whose father or grandfather came in search of opportunities.",116.88,125.56,27,{"idx":172,"utterance_id":174,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":175,"start_s":176,"end_s":177,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},"67661","It is the land that welcomes, that embraces.",125.6,127.24,{"idx":179,"utterance_id":180,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":181,"start_s":182,"end_s":183,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},28,"67662","Besides, Bruno, I only came for one reason.",128,131.34,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},29,"67663","I was a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic, so I had the legitimacy to ask for votes across 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And this is a land of generous people.",178.1,187.04,{"idx":253,"utterance_id":254,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":255,"start_s":256,"end_s":257,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},38,"67672","I'll even finish with a line I adopted for myself — it's plagiarism.",187.16,190.98,{"idx":259,"utterance_id":260,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":261,"start_s":262,"end_s":263,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},39,"67673","So, I'm already saying it's plagiarism.",191.46,192.64,{"idx":265,"utterance_id":266,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":267,"start_s":268,"end_s":269,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},40,"67674","So, therefore, my dear Vice President of the Republic, Geraldo Alckmin, don't sue me for this, but Alckmin, who has already been governor of this state four times, has a great line, right?",192.68,203.04,{"idx":271,"utterance_id":272,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":273,"start_s":274,"end_s":275,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},41,"67675","He puts it this way: São Paulo is the only city or land in the world where a Japanese person speaks Portuguese with an Italian accent.",203.48,212.18,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":278,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":279,"start_s":280,"end_s":281,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},42,"67676","I think that's it, right?",212.7,213.68,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},43,"67677","That wonderful mix that represents Brazil.",214.4,217.62,{"idx":289,"utterance_id":290,"speaker_name":8,"text":291,"start_s":292,"end_s":293,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},44,"67678","We're going to talk a lot here today and I want to start the round with Ramiro.",217.88,220.9,{"idx":295,"utterance_id":296,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":297,"start_s":298,"end_s":299,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},45,"67679","Good evening, 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at first I even thought so; I even saw the first poll before making the decision to come here.",240.7,245.6,{"idx":325,"utterance_id":326,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":327,"start_s":328,"end_s":329,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},50,"67684","We cannot forget, especially in the state of Mato Grosso do Sul, that President Lula never had less than 35% of the votes — 38, 39%.",246.16,254.46,{"idx":331,"utterance_id":332,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":333,"start_s":334,"end_s":335,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":336,"topic_label":337,"target_id":338,"target_proposition":339,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":342,"indexable":220},51,"67685","PT approached me and said the following: if you run in Mato Grosso do Sul, we won't run a candidate; you will run alone; you will get either the first or second vote from here.",255.1,264.02,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Civil House \u002F Political Coordination","60ced1e8-79f8-48a3-90eb-7db91efacfc2","obtain 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Was it important in your decision, how much you had to forgo running there, because it's a state where it's said that President Lula has a lot of votes, but it's also a state where 75% of the voters are Bolsonaro supporters.",528.94,546.3,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},93,"67727","Did you feel pushed?",546.58,548.1,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},94,"67728","No, Verusca.",548.68,549.22,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},95,"67729","Well, two things that are important.",549.3,551.14,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":289,"indexable":12},96,"67730","My whole life I have been, as I am the daughter of a politician — when I was five years old my father entered public life; you know him, you follow my father's story a lot — and since then I have been a public person.",551.86,562.14,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},97,"67731","So there comes a moment when that suffocates a little.",562.7,564.94,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},98,"67732","Whenever I can, and my whole life has been like that — as a senator for eight years and four years as a minister — I always try to walk alone.",565.06,571.48,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},99,"67733","I have my faith, so I don't travel in an armored car, I don't have security with me, because I had to go without it for a long time.",572.86,579.22,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},100,"67734","It's true that after the election I had to be accompanied by security, because I was threatened.",579.6,583.52,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},101,"67735","I received threats; I did not receive threats from Mato Grosso, it's important to say that.",584.3,588.08,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},102,"67736","I received threats from across Brazil, because the election was decided by a very small margin; I came in third place, I had 5 million votes and the election was decided by 900 thousand votes.",588.72,598.78,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},103,"67737","One million and eight hundred means 900 thousand on one side, which, when taken away, comes to this side.",598.8,602.7,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},104,"67738","So some people attributed Bolsonaro's defeat to me, which isn't the case; one person is not responsible for something like that.",603.28,610.94,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},105,"67739","So I received scraps.",611.4,613.58,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},106,"67740","or criticism throughout Brazil.",613.98,615.94,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},107,"67741","In Mato Grosso do Sul, oddly enough, when I visited neighborhoods — the humblest population, the middle class, the humblest population — I was always received with a lot of affection.",616.42,625.06,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},108,"67742","It's that since I belong to agribusiness, the agribusiness people who have the freedom to pick up the phone, to send a WhatsApp, who find me in my circle of friends, they would say... 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country.",{"idx":812,"utterance_id":813,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":814,"start_s":815,"end_s":816,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},127,"67761","So, as long as I have health, as long as I have strength, as long as I have a voice, as long as I can dialogue with society, I lend the little I have, as I said — it's a little of my prestige, which is this small.",715.4,724.68,{"idx":182,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},"67762","But to speak about the Brazil we need to prepare for the next four years, for the coming years.",725.18,729.68,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},129,"67763","And then it touches on an issue, Verusca, like... Because I was Minister of Planning and Budget and, under my responsibility, I had the IBGE and IPEA institutes.",730.02,740,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},130,"67764","And here I bring news that is not so good.",740.62,742.52,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":74,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":840,"target_proposition":841,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":842,"indexable":12},131,"67765","Brazil is aging before becoming wealthy as a nation.",743.44,748.08,"ea92e411-500f-4ea0-994d-ff5e79bdf93b","monitor and respond to population aging before economic growth","States 'Brasil está envelhecendo antes de ficar rico' without proposing concrete measures.",{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},132,"67766","I've been hammering this point a lot.",748.18,749.68,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},133,"67767","Unlike Europe, which aged rich, we are aging while still poor as a nation.",750.04,757.44,{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},134,"67768","This is a very big danger.",757.94,759.18,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},135,"67769","Our young people no longer want to have children; it's a right of women and men not to want to have children.",760.28,765.74,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},136,"67770","And we have not done our homework.",766.58,768.16,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},137,"67771","We have a very short window of opportunity closing.",768.54,771.3,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},138,"67772","I'm talking about 10 to 12 years to do the homework.",771.34,773.9,{"idx":886,"utterance_id":887,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":888,"start_s":889,"end_s":890,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},139,"67773","This moves me to be a candidate for the Federal Senate.",774.54,777.74,{"idx":892,"utterance_id":893,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":894,"start_s":895,"end_s":896,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},140,"67774","This moves me to be in the Senate debating the major issues relevant to Brazil and to São Paulo.",778.3,782.96,{"idx":898,"utterance_id":899,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":900,"start_s":901,"end_s":902,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},141,"67775","I could give countless examples; I'll stick to three very quick ones.",783.52,788.24,{"idx":904,"utterance_id":905,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":906,"start_s":907,"end_s":908,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":909,"topic_label":910,"target_id":911,"target_proposition":912,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":913,"indexable":220},142,"67776","Rare earths are the new pre-salt that is looming ahead of us; just as the pre-salt generated resources, reduced inequality, and made it possible to put money into the budget to carry out public policies, rare earths will be the same.",788.76,801.06,"terras-raras-e-mineracao-estrategica","Rare Earths and Strategic Mining","a271aa08-3489-4f03-b70d-809810349c8c","create a regulatory framework for rare earths exploration","Says 'temos que fazer um marco regulatório' for rare earths and investments.",{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},143,"67777","Brazil has the second largest reserve of rare earths in the world and we don't have the technology.",801.12,805.94,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},144,"67778","We have to create a regulatory framework to attract investments without... prejudice regarding the color of the flag.",806.26,811.98,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},145,"67779","It doesn't matter whether it's dollars, yen, or... It doesn't matter whether the currency is Japanese, Chinese, American, or European.",812.26,818.78,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},146,"67780","We have to make a partnership with foreign investors, together with Brazilian investors, in a public-private partnership to bring in and create jobs and income under our rules and mine here.",819.4,829.72,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},147,"67781","with all the sustainability that is possible to implement.",830.66,832.98,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},148,"67782","So, this is an extremely relevant issue.",833.36,834.84,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},149,"67783","We have something the world needs.",834.9,837,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},150,"67784","That brings us into the field that you young people know much more about than I do.",837.44,840.04,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},151,"67785","We need to approve Redata, which is to exempt computers from taxes,",840.48,845.88,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":14,"topic_slug":974,"topic_label":975,"target_id":976,"target_proposition":977,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":979,"indexable":12},152,"67786","etc.,",845.96,846.1,"politica-tecnologica","Technology Policy","688a90e8-b339-4ddb-a941-56d41c643240","approve Redata to incentivize installation of data centers in Brazil",0.92,"States explicitly 'nós precisamos aprovar o Redata'.",{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},153,"67787","to have data centers here and have all the data collected in those large computers.",846.48,853.1,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":295,"indexable":12},154,"67788","On Brazilian territory, because this is an important issue: our data, the information about our lives, what's on our cell phones, is going to the United States or to data centers in other countries and then coming back here.",853.62,867.08,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},155,"67789","We are capable of having this here, without compromising Brazil's water resources, with clean energy, thereby attracting countless companies and generating... hundreds of thousands of jobs, but it needs to be regulated.",867.5,884.5,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":1004,"topic_label":1005,"target_id":1006,"target_proposition":1007,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":1009,"indexable":220},156,"67790","Among other things, we have to regulate relevant issues that involve public security and urban mobility.",884.92,893.04,"seguranca-nacional","National Security","01da5bbd-b95d-4e0d-a7ac-46d0ef8a3ca8","regulate public security policies",0.8,"Includes 'segurança pública' among topics that need regulation.",{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},157,"67791","So, we have important topics and it's a window of opportunity that we cannot miss.",893.3,898.54,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":1022,"topic_label":1023,"target_id":1024,"target_proposition":1025,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":1026,"indexable":220},158,"67792","We elect parliamentarians, deputies (men and women), senators (men and women) committed to working collaboratively on Brazil's problems, or we won't get anywhere.",899.4,909.96,"politica-legislativa","Legislative Policy","46e62327-09f0-424b-a45c-53802188fc5c","elect parliamentarians committed to solving national problems","Says explicitly 'temos que eleger parlamentares compromissados'.",{"idx":1028,"utterance_id":1029,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1030,"start_s":1031,"end_s":1032,"word_count":259,"indexable":12},159,"67793","We will grow old before we get rich and we will pay a very high price that will later generate unemployment, misery, increased social inequality and will affect, yes, Brazil's productive sectors such as Brazilian agribusiness.",910.3,924.38,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":8,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},160,"67794","All right, Bruno.",924.52,925.08,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":8,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},161,"67795","Have a great evening to you, to Ramiro Verusca.",925.12,927.44,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":8,"text":297,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},162,"67796",927.52,928.32,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":8,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},163,"67797","You are always very welcome here at Jovem Pan.",928.44,929.96,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":8,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},164,"67798","Minister, I'm going to start by treading a little on this, because, of course, we talk about your coming to São Paulo, but we also need to talk about political coordination.",930.7,939.86,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":8,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},165,"67799","We see the PT and the PSB debating a lot behind the scenes about how Minister Fernando Haddad's campaign will look and also the two seats in the Federal Senate here in São Paulo.",940.44,951.24,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":8,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},166,"67800","You already have that seat guaranteed, it has already been confirmed, including by President Lula, and now the second seat is being contested between Márcio França and Maria Nascimento.",951.64,959.98,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":8,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},167,"67801","Silva.",960.02,960.2,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":8,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},168,"67802","Recently you said that if the three candidacies are launched, very likely the left will lose both seats in the Federal Senate.",960.6,968.42,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":8,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":409,"indexable":12},169,"67803","I would like your assessment: how are these negotiations going and I would like to know your view as to which name you believe could add the most, both as Haddad's running mate and also for the Senate, given that Haddad already ran for governor of the State of São Paulo and faced Tarcísio de Freitas in 2022 and now faces an incumbent.",968.94,988.72,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":8,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},170,"67804","He will run against the incumbent, who has a large share of support, especially in the interior of the state.",989.78,994.2,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},171,"67805","João, this will be a collective decision.",995.26,997.74,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},172,"67806","In any case, we are talking about two names with the stature, experience, and capability of Márcio França and Marina Silva.",997.8,1005.32,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},173,"67807","They were ministers of the president, they come to fulfill a mission, each naturally has their own ambitions and must position themselves as pre-candidates at this moment before agreements are made.",1005.7,1016.76,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},174,"67808","But I have spoken with both and both are ready to sit at the table at the right moment.",1017.04,1021.44,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":462,"indexable":12},175,"67809","And that right moment, the timing of it is between the PSB and the PT; I cannot speak for one or the other, nor for my party which is the PSB, especially because I already have a slot, so I am in the position, perhaps the only one in this process, but I see on their part that although they are positioning themselves as pre-candidates, they are ready to carry out the mission.",1021.9,1042.94,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},176,"67810","Remember that we don't only have the Senate seat, we have the vice slot, we have future projects, a possible re-election of President Lula, the composition of ministries, so I see... I see that this will be resolved with great calm.",1043.54,1056.44,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},177,"67811","And I also see that everyone is aware that we will only put forward two names for the two seats in the Federal Senate.",1056.88,1063.7,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":8,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},178,"67812","Do you see the left as having a shortage of successors?",1063.82,1067.46,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},179,"67813","I see Brazilian politics as having a shortage of leaders.",1068.18,1070.94,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":356,"indexable":12},180,"67814","I'm from an era, Bruno, when people would stop in front of the television — today it would be social media — to watch figures, just to pay tribute; I want only to honor São Paulo politicians here, but I'll also mention some from outside, yes, to see names who took the Senate podiums and a single word settled things.",1071.76,1092.74,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":356,"topic_slug":1164,"topic_label":1165,"target_id":1166,"target_proposition":1167,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":1168,"indexable":220},181,"67815","There was that chaos, a grenade would be thrown at the Brazilian people, a catastrophe would come... whether external or a very strong economic crisis in Brazil, and then opposition and government would sit at the table, put differences aside, stay up all night, come out of their meetings at 5 or 6 in the morning with the problem solved.",1093.18,1116.62,"poder-legislativo-governabilidade","Legislature \u002F Governability","3ff3755e-4cbd-42da-aa93-c34b6b2da2ba","promote dialogue between government and opposition to resolve crises","Praises past examples of consensus to resolve political crises.",{"idx":1170,"utterance_id":1171,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1172,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1164,"topic_label":1165,"target_id":1166,"target_proposition":1167,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":1176,"indexable":12},182,"67816","Who had the capacity to dialogue and the competence for that.",1116.92,1120.28,0.7,"Highlights the dialogue skills and competence of former parliamentarians.",{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},183,"67817","I'm talking about true statesmen, whether from the right or the left.",1120.62,1124.68,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},184,"67818","Today what we have is a scarcity of values, of people committed to Brazil's interest.",1125.16,1130.84,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":241,"indexable":12},185,"67819","I can cite Mário Covas, to pay tribute here — for me one of the greatest leaders of São Paulo politics — but I can speak of Teutônio Villela, Tancredo Neves, men who made and make history in Brazil.",1131.24,1145.74,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},186,"67820","And today we don't have them, we can't point to them in the Federal Senate.",1146.6,1149.44,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},187,"67821","I had the privilege of serving with, in the first four years of the legislature, men such as, for example, José Serra.",1150.86,1157.4,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},188,"67822","José Serra who, although he was never a doctor, was considered the greatest Minister of Health of all time.",1158.06,1165,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},189,"67823","And today I can't point out two or three relevant names who can build national projects.",1165.74,1173.28,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":295,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1229,"indexable":220},190,"67824","Today you have the Congress... with many exceptions, it's true, but a National Congress much more concerned with parliamentary amendments, which I think they use to secure their re-elections, than with a project that involves solving the serious problems that plague the Brazilian population.",1173.96,1191.88,"orcamento-publico","Public Budget","f2db0894-4046-4763-a222-ed3aab9120a2","reform the use of parliamentary amendments","Criticizes focusing on amendments at the expense of national 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problem.",{"idx":1242,"utterance_id":1243,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1244,"start_s":1245,"end_s":1246,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":1004,"topic_label":1005,"target_id":1236,"target_proposition":1237,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1247,"indexable":220},192,"67826","No, beyond the big cities, they are already in the small and medium ones, which is serious, leaving a trail of violence wherever they go, and no one is discussing it.",1225.04,1233.1,"Reports expansion of the PCC into small and medium-sized cities.",{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},193,"67827","This needs to be addressed with seriousness.",1233.54,1234.64,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},194,"67828","So it's regrettable, but I see that politics is lacking in values.",1234.98,1240.28,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},195,"67829","So much so that on the other side, you asked, do you think it's the left?",1240.58,1243.12,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},196,"67830","On the right's side, they had to find a son, the 01, the son of a former president, to be a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic.",1243.42,1252.12,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},197,"67831","And President Lula himself being called again for a fourth term... Due in part, moreover, to a lack of leadership.",1252.16,1259.72,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},198,"67832","So this worries me regarding Brazil's future.",1259.86,1264.26,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":8,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},199,"67833","What is comunidade jovem?",1264.3,1265.36,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":8,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},200,"67834","I wanted to, because you commented on how politics is today.",1265.4,1269.66,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":8,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},201,"67835","Politics... Is it tedious to practice, or actually is it tedious to debate, in your opinion?",1270.56,1275.98,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":8,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},202,"67836","Was it ever enjoyable at one time?",1276.24,1277,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":8,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},203,"67837","No, it wasn't.",1277.04,1278.3,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":8,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},204,"67838","It was once, but today we see, you commented, regarding parliamentary amendments, that it is a main interest of the National Congress.",1280,1286.14,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":8,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},205,"67839","We see a National Congress much less experienced, in fact much more inexperienced compared to the 2000s and the 1990s.",1286.64,1296.14,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":8,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},206,"67840","We see a different configuration of the National Congress.",1296.58,1300.3,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":8,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},207,"67841","And that's why I even ask, is it tedious to do politics?",1300.98,1303.08,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":8,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},208,"67842","Is this politics weaker in your assessment?",1303.12,1307.58,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":8,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},209,"67843","May I add something?",1308,1308.94,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":8,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},210,"67844","Please.",1308.98,1309.54,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":8,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},211,"67845","You said there used to be more debate.",1309.66,1313.28,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":8,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},212,"67846","We used to have a polarization.",1313.32,1314.5,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":8,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},213,"67847","We talk so much about polarization these days, but there was polarization back then as well.",1314.74,1318.6,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":8,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},214,"67848","Yes, PSDB and PT.",1318.92,1320.22,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":8,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},215,"67849","And I remember, when I covered politics at that time, I lived in Brasília, the PSDB seemed always ready to talk, notably in the person of Fernando Henrique.",1321.32,1329.9,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":8,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},216,"67850","He was always ready, sent emissaries, but the PT was always withdrawn.",1330.56,1335.4,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":8,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},217,"67851","Always calling for Fernando Henrique's impeachment.",1336.2,1338.8,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":8,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":271,"indexable":12},218,"67852","It was difficult for Fernando Henrique's government, indeed, to manage well without the PT being there blocking votes or always debating, which is part of politics — fortunately — there must be opposition, the opposition must be strong.",1338.84,1352.24,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":8,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},219,"67853","But today, what I don't see is anyone opening the doors, Minister.",1353.6,1359.82,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":8,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},220,"67854","There's no President Lula saying, look, folks from the PL, do you see something of that sort?",1360.56,1366.1,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":8,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},221,"67855","Look, come here, Flávio, come here, let's sit down, let's make a project for Brazil.",1366.58,1369.7,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":8,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},222,"67856","I haven't seen anyone take that initiative yet.",1370.18,1372.46,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},223,"67857","Is that possible?",1372.9,1373.98,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},224,"67858","I think that, answering both questions, it's not that it's boring, it's more difficult to do politics.",1374.36,1378.76,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},225,"67859","Politics is the art of managing dreams.",1379.18,1381.02,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},226,"67860","Period.",1381.06,1381.84,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},227,"67861","In my view, politics is the art of managing dreams.",1382.38,1384.58,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},228,"67862","And note that I said the word manage and not realize.",1384.98,1387.42,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},229,"67863","We manage dreams and many dreams we manage to realize, but we don't always manage to realize them all.",1387.82,1392.82,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},230,"67864","From the 1980s into the 1990s — I'm therefore talking about the last century — you were not yet born, but I was.",1394.08,1399.9,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":362,"indexable":12},231,"67865","But anyway, since the last century, since the '90s until now, with the impoverishment of the population, with the increase in social inequality worldwide, with the population having more access to the media and seeing the bad side of politics — which has a lot of good side, but also a bad side — the population began to channel",1400.2,1421.94,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},232,"67866","all of its frustration into the bad politics that exists in the world and in Brazil.",1422.44,1427.06,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},233,"67867","And this opened the doors to the far right around the world.",1427.24,1431.02,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},234,"67868","So why is it difficult, Verusca, to dialogue?",1431.88,1434.28,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},235,"67869","Because you don't dialogue with those who are not part of politics.",1434.58,1437.8,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},236,"67870","They are not part of the system, they preach anti-system positions.",1438.34,1441.64,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},237,"67871","They preach that the worse it gets, the better.",1441.98,1444.04,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},238,"67872","Again, folks, I want to make a distinction, I'm not talking about the right.",1444.32,1446.96,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},239,"67873","I'm talking about the far right and, therefore, a significant portion of the Bolsonarists.",1447.42,1453.2,{"idx":1531,"utterance_id":1532,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1533,"start_s":1534,"end_s":1535,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},240,"67874","Not all of them — I think there are some Bolsonarists who are in favor of democracy.",1453.5,1458.26,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":8,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},241,"67875","For example who, Minister?",1458.3,1459.38,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":8,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},242,"67876","Who, for example?",1459.86,1460.94,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},243,"67877","Ah, I don't want to name names and be sued later by them, right?",1461,1464.44,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":8,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},244,"67878","Bruno, let's skip that.",1464.48,1465.74,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":8,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},245,"67879","Those of us who are not, right?",1465.78,1466.52,{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":8,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},246,"67880","No, I had many colleagues who... For us to have a rule, right?",1466.56,1469.56,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":8,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},247,"67881","For us to have a rule.",1469.6,1471.84,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":8,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},248,"67882","They're better, right?",1471.88,1472.38,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":8,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},249,"67883","Who do you see that isn't so radical within that wing?",1472.42,1475.16,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":8,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},250,"67884","Within the Senate?",1476.94,1477.72,{"idx":1597,"utterance_id":1598,"speaker_name":8,"text":1599,"start_s":1600,"end_s":1601,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},251,"67885","You are the Minister of Planning, you have already planned that.",1478.94,1480.46,{"idx":1603,"utterance_id":1604,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1605,"start_s":1606,"end_s":1607,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},252,"67886","No, I lived with some of them for four years.",1481.2,1484.18,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},253,"67887","So, I know that... And then, linking things, I've already answered yours, but regarding Verusca's and yours, Bruno, I would say the following: there is a factor that hinders this process.",1484.24,1497.62,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":462,"topic_slug":1620,"topic_label":1621,"target_id":1622,"target_proposition":1623,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":1624,"indexable":220},254,"67888","As there has been a weakening of political parties, and as bad as we may think political parties are, you don't have democracy and you don't advance without strong political parties — parties were replaced by individualism, the personalism of leaders who, with social media, could gain reach and push their agenda and their narrative, even weakening, in my view, what is very bad, the free press itself.",1498.02,1530.3,"partidos-e-eleicoes","Parties and Elections","4bc00a6a-fead-459b-9160-785326beac24","strengthen political parties","Attributes party weakening to democratic backsliding and argues for strong political parties.",{"idx":1626,"utterance_id":1627,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1628,"start_s":1629,"end_s":1630,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":1631,"topic_label":1632,"target_id":1633,"target_proposition":1634,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1635,"indexable":220},255,"67889","There is no democracy without a free, strong press.",1530.84,1533.74,"cobertura-midiatica","Media Coverage","ba05f6b0-d12e-45e6-90db-97a43bb56ed8","guarantee freedom of the press","States categorically that there is no democracy without a free press.",{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},256,"67890","The press today has to — you yourselves — compete with social media.",1534.14,1539.64,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":1648,"topic_label":1649,"target_id":1650,"target_proposition":1651,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":1652,"indexable":12},257,"67891","And it's not Jovem Pan's social media, it's the social media of a politician, of an influencer, of people who often create narratives and sell their narratives as if they were the truth.",1539.68,1552.16,"regulacao-de-midia","Media Regulation","67b40fde-a3d1-480f-9b17-eb704c7943c1","increase accountability for misinformation on social networks","Criticizes influencers and politicians who spread narratives without responsibility.",{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},258,"67892","So it becomes very difficult.",1552.56,1553.88,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},259,"67893","I have a saying that I always use, you know?",1553.92,1555.82,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},260,"67894","The big problem today is that lies take the elevator and the truth climbs the stairs.",1556.52,1562.5,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},261,"67895","So imagine you having to spend hours on Jovem Pan saying it's not quite like that, right?",1562.78,1567.8,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},262,"67896","And there they are, click-driven influencers with 10, 15, 20 million followers saying whatever they want, with no accountability.",1567.98,1575.04,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},263,"67897","And so, then, it becomes very difficult.",1576.22,1577.62,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},264,"67898","So, politics is difficult.",1577.66,1579.24,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":259,"indexable":12},265,"67899","And it's more than just difficult; among other things, not only because of the weakening of political parties, which, for better or worse, although they have never been ideological in Brazil, except, for example, for a PT that has an ideology and",1580.4,1592.92,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},266,"67900",1593.02,1593.2,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},267,"67901","but they have always had the capacity to gather forces that think alike and speak on behalf of those forces.",1593.86,1599.44,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":271,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":1718,"indexable":220},268,"67902","So when you have the weakening of political parties, combined with parliamentary amendments — I'm not against parliamentary amendments — the problem is having a parliamentary amendment that consumes... consumes the Brazilian budget and weakens the executive, whoever it may be.",1599.82,1613.76,"States that amendments consume the budget and weaken the executive.",{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},269,"67903","Whoever the next President of the Republic is, if they don't resolve the issue of parliamentary amendments, they won't govern Brazil.",1614.38,1619.58,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},270,"67904","Minister, just a minute, taking advantage of the fact that I'm speaking here with the last Minister of Planning and that we're in June, what do you think of parliamentary amendments for festa junina, for example?",1620.3,1629.34,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},271,"67905","Great, then let's go.",1629.8,1630.76,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},272,"67906","And not only for festa junina, I'm talking about shows, whether rock shows — which I love — or axé or sertanejo, which is my preference.",1630.88,1639.74,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},273,"67907","I'm from the interior, the countryside, I love sertanejo music, although I'm of the rock generation, anyway.",1641.3,1646.28,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},274,"67908","And for me... But there are many, right?",1646.66,1650.32,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},275,"67909","I've already looked at what's in the TCU, the long list of shows funded by parliamentary amendments, some of them even under suspicion of embezzlement.",1650.46,1657.18,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},276,"67910","I'm finding it great that one amendment after another is making my life easier here.",1657.22,1662.38,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},277,"67911","So, besides political parties... Forget parliamentary amendments, I'm from a time when a senator — it happened to me — had 15 million reais.",1662.86,1670.46,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},278,"67912","15 million reais, you serve the small municipality, you put tablets in the hands of our children, you renovate a daycare, you provide targeted services in those tiny municipalities.",1670.48,1680.8,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},279,"67913","Now, parliamentarians have the entire leftover budget at their disposal.",1681.32,1686.02,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},280,"67914","Everyone pays taxes; it all becomes the Brazilian budget.",1686.98,1690.46,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":283,"indexable":12},281,"67915","From the Brazilian budget, you pay debt service, you pay mandatory expenses with social security, with the payroll, divide for the branches of government, pay the percentage for health, for education and so on, the share for the municipal and state funds.",1690.86,1705.58,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},282,"67916","What's left today?",1705.72,1706.64,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},283,"67917","Something around, I'll round up, 200 billion.",1707.12,1710.4,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},284,"67918","It's not that, not that.",1710.9,1711.78,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},285,"67919","200 billion in discretionary funds won't solve the State of São Paulo's problems, but it's what a President of the Republic has today to build bridges, roads, carry out infrastructure, in short, aside from health and education resources, to be able to govern.",1711.8,1728.1,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":1827,"indexable":12},286,"67920","But he doesn't even have that free, because today more than a third of those 200 billion are in the hands of the National Congress.",1728.64,1736.94,"Reports that a large part of free funds is under the control of Congress.",{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},287,"67921","Which no longer depends on the executive for anything, nor on a political party.",1737.46,1740.74,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},288,"67922","Sorry, I'm taking this long detour, but I think it's important for people to understand.",1741.22,1744.48,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},289,"67923","So, this not only weakens democracy.",1744.92,1747.06,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},290,"67924","This makes presidentialism as we know it unworkable.",1747.24,1750.56,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},291,"67925","But you said it doesn't depend because now he gets votes via social media.",1750.88,1754.04,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},292,"67926","He gets them from social media and from the amendment.",1754.22,1756.52,{"idx":1865,"utterance_id":1866,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1867,"start_s":1868,"end_s":1869,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},293,"67927","So he ties the mayor to him by sending the money there.",1756.66,1759.78,{"idx":1871,"utterance_id":1872,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1873,"start_s":1874,"end_s":1875,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},294,"67928","And then comes an even more pernicious thing which I know you didn't say, but where are you going with that?",1760.18,1764.9,{"idx":1877,"utterance_id":1878,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1879,"start_s":1880,"end_s":1881,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},295,"67929","Where are you trying to get at?",1765.76,1766.62,{"idx":1883,"utterance_id":1884,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1885,"start_s":1886,"end_s":1887,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},296,"67930","And what public interest is that serving?",1767.46,1769.2,{"idx":1889,"utterance_id":1890,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1891,"start_s":1892,"end_s":1893,"word_count":271,"indexable":12},297,"67931","If I have private sector sponsorship for these things, including for culture itself and for music, which I've always sponsored because I'm a fan — I think culture is life, culture is education — what is the public interest?",1769.96,1783.54,{"idx":1895,"utterance_id":1896,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1897,"start_s":1898,"end_s":1899,"word_count":96,"indexable":12},298,"67932","And what is behind a parliamentarian who, instead of allocating the money to buy an MRI machine for a municipality of 30,000 or 40,000 inhabitants that doesn't have an MRI machine, not even in the private sector, gives that money to a sertanejo show — I won't name the duo — which costs 600, 700 thousand reais, if not a million.",1783.76,1806.74,{"idx":1901,"utterance_id":1902,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1903,"start_s":1904,"end_s":1905,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},299,"67933","And then you'll hear the rate card — that's not the actual amount.",1807.66,1810.08,{"idx":1907,"utterance_id":1908,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1909,"start_s":1910,"end_s":1911,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},300,"67934","So the question is, what is the public interest?",1810.16,1812.3,{"idx":1913,"utterance_id":1914,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1915,"start_s":1916,"end_s":1917,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1918,"topic_label":1919,"target_id":1920,"target_proposition":1921,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":1922,"indexable":220},301,"67935","And what... We're talking about a corruption scheme here.",1814,1817.22,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Governance and Corruption","9335ca64-6ace-4320-9b58-4c4b63b9bb82","curb the misuse of parliamentary amendments and the secret budget","States that the use of amendments constitutes a corruption scheme.",{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},302,"67936","Because that's what we're dealing with.",1817.44,1818.76,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},303,"67937","There are amendments that go out — I'm not talking about all of them — amendments that go out and then part of them comes back.",1819.2,1825.36,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},304,"67938","To whom?",1825.44,1825.76,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},305,"67939","To the mayor?",1825.84,1826.52,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},306,"67940","To the parliamentarian?",1826.8,1827.66,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1956,"start_s":1957,"end_s":1958,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1225,"topic_label":1226,"target_id":1227,"target_proposition":1228,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":1959,"indexable":220},307,"67941","So I'm talking about three crimes that are being committed there.",1828.04,1830.74,"Lists crimes and the effects of amendments that make governability unfeasible.",{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},308,"67942","You prevent a President of the Republic from governing and solving Brazil's problems.",1831.14,1834.9,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1969,"start_s":1970,"end_s":1971,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},309,"67943","You use parliamentary amendments to replace the party's strength, therefore weakening the whole system.",1836,1842.66,{"idx":1973,"utterance_id":1974,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1975,"start_s":1976,"end_s":1977,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},310,"67944","And giving that parliamentarian the power to distribute money with no public interest or with no effectiveness or efficiency — money that is ours, that belongs to the Brazilian people.",1843.64,1856.58,{"idx":1979,"utterance_id":1980,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1981,"start_s":1982,"end_s":1983,"word_count":253,"indexable":12},311,"67945","And furthermore, due to a lack of transparency and traceability of these amendments, very serious suspicions are being discussed in the Tribunal de Contas and in the STF about parliamentary amendments that sometimes don't even reach the end recipients.",1857.14,1871.46,{"idx":1985,"utterance_id":1986,"speaker_name":8,"text":1987,"start_s":1988,"end_s":1989,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},312,"67946","In other words, we've left presidentialism and are in a kind of parliamentary system now.",1871.68,1874.92,{"idx":1991,"utterance_id":1992,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1993,"start_s":1994,"end_s":1995,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},313,"67947","What's more serious?",1876.06,1877.22,{"idx":1997,"utterance_id":1998,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1999,"start_s":2000,"end_s":2001,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},314,"67948","It's a parliamentarism where... The only one who has the responsibility — I'll confess here, we were discussing this before, because I was the Minister of the Budget — he asked, are you nostalgic?",1877.26,1885.96,{"idx":2003,"utterance_id":2004,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2005,"start_s":2006,"end_s":2007,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},315,"67949","I said, no, why?",1886,1886.88,{"idx":2009,"utterance_id":2010,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2011,"start_s":2012,"end_s":2013,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},316,"67950","Because it was my CPF on the line, right?",1887.28,1889.18,{"idx":2015,"utterance_id":2016,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2017,"start_s":2018,"end_s":2019,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},317,"67951","They do it and we are the ones who pay the bill.",1889.72,1892.06,{"idx":2021,"utterance_id":2022,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2023,"start_s":2024,"end_s":2025,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},318,"67952","Who is left with the responsibility?",1892.12,1893.66,{"idx":2027,"utterance_id":2028,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2029,"start_s":2030,"end_s":2031,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},319,"67953","They don't take responsibility; the CPF isn't theirs.",1894.08,1897.02,{"idx":2033,"utterance_id":2034,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2035,"start_s":2036,"end_s":2037,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},320,"67954","The CPF belongs to the head of the executive.",1897.2,1898.88,{"idx":2039,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},321,"67955","So that's exactly it: it's a parliamentary system with absolutely no responsibility.",1899.24,1903.58,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":2050,"topic_label":2051,"target_id":2052,"target_proposition":2053,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2054,"indexable":220},322,"67956","So it's better to discuss with Brazilian society whether to end presidentialism or not.",1903.62,1908.12,"governo","Government","94c6e9a1-e15c-42ce-8d2d-348cf45807da","replace presidentialism with parliamentarism","Proposes discussing ending presidentialism and adopting parliamentarism.",{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},323,"67957","and move to a parliamentary system by giving responsibility to the National Congress.",1908.44,1912.58,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},324,"67958","Who knows, maybe they'll be more responsible because of that.",1912.88,1915.02,{"idx":2068,"utterance_id":2069,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2070,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},325,"67959","And again, I want to apologize to my colleagues, federal deputies, deputies and senators who are honest, who fulfill their duties; there is no lack of competent and honest people in the National Congress.",1915.08,1925.62,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":1918,"topic_label":1919,"target_id":2079,"target_proposition":2080,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":2081,"indexable":220},326,"67960","But I'm talking about that portion, which isn't small either, that uses parliamentary amendments for their electoral strongholds aiming at an electoral process or... even more serious, for embezzlement of funds.",1925.9,1939.4,"14da2992-7898-406a-a4f8-b1c7f3bd2899","reform the parliamentary amendments program","Accuses the use of amendments for electoral patronage and resource diversion.",{"idx":2083,"utterance_id":2084,"speaker_name":8,"text":2085,"start_s":2086,"end_s":2087,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},327,"67961","We saw in Congress the Lula government facing a series of defeats on some agendas.",1939.48,1945.38,{"idx":2089,"utterance_id":2090,"speaker_name":8,"text":2091,"start_s":2092,"end_s":2093,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},328,"67962","There is a complaint that Lula is no longer the Lula of other administrations, that he no longer has that relationship with Congress, even missing a little barbecue in Nova Orada, a football match.",1946.24,1956.18,{"idx":2095,"utterance_id":2096,"speaker_name":8,"text":2097,"start_s":2098,"end_s":2099,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},329,"67963","And you spoke about this autonomy of Congress, of these amendments, that has become almost independent.",1956.86,1961.62,{"idx":2101,"utterance_id":2102,"speaker_name":8,"text":2103,"start_s":2104,"end_s":2105,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},330,"67964","How have you been assessing the government's relationship with Congress?",1961.98,1966.18,{"idx":2107,"utterance_id":2108,"speaker_name":8,"text":2109,"start_s":2110,"end_s":2111,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},331,"67965","and including in this the relationship with Alcolumbre, has it helped lead to Lula suffering a defeat?",1966.66,1974.42,{"idx":2113,"utterance_id":2114,"speaker_name":8,"text":2115,"start_s":2116,"end_s":2117,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},332,"67966","A historic one in Congress, even with the rejection of Jorge Messias.",1974.94,1977.86,{"idx":2119,"utterance_id":2120,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2121,"start_s":2122,"end_s":2123,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},333,"67967","Bruno, first, President Lula won the election by a slim margin, in an absolutely polarized country and with an absolute majority in opposition.",1978.82,1988.04,{"idx":2125,"utterance_id":2126,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2127,"start_s":2128,"end_s":2129,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},334,"67968","So that already explains the difficulty.",1988.08,1990.14,{"idx":2131,"utterance_id":2132,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2133,"start_s":2134,"end_s":2135,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},335,"67969","He has never refused to engage in dialogue.",1990.54,1992,{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},336,"67970","There is a segment, and it's when Verusca spoke about this, of the far-right, which is a minority in the National Congress, that refuses to sit at the table.",1992.3,1999.64,{"idx":2143,"utterance_id":2144,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2145,"start_s":2146,"end_s":2147,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},337,"67971","If it's a bill from the government in power, they're against all of it.",2000.12,2004.46,{"idx":2149,"utterance_id":2150,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2151,"start_s":2152,"end_s":2153,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},338,"67972","So, within this process, all this makes things even harder.",2004.8,2008.44,{"idx":2155,"utterance_id":2156,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2157,"start_s":2158,"end_s":2159,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},339,"67973","Each one has their own way of governing.",2010.46,2012.22,{"idx":2161,"utterance_id":2162,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2163,"start_s":2164,"end_s":2165,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},340,"67974","Fernando Henrique was not a man to sit there negotiating, drinking whiskey, chatting, and he governed the country.",2012.28,2019.44,{"idx":2167,"utterance_id":2168,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2169,"start_s":2170,"end_s":2171,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},341,"67975","That is not the problem of governability.",2020.16,2022.94,{"idx":2173,"utterance_id":2174,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2175,"start_s":2176,"end_s":2177,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},342,"67976","The problem with governability is that we emerged from '22 absolutely polarized.",2023,2027.92,{"idx":2179,"utterance_id":2180,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2181,"start_s":2182,"end_s":2183,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},343,"67977","within the National Congress and we will face a 2026 election absolutely polarized.",2028.4,2033.66,{"idx":2185,"utterance_id":2186,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2187,"start_s":2188,"end_s":2189,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},344,"67978","And every time we tried to advance projects that came from the interest of the Brazilian people and Brazilian society, we suffered interventions because it was a project that couldn't succeed.",2033.98,2047.08,{"idx":2191,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},345,"67979","And I give very clear examples here.",2048.06,2049.54,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},346,"67980","Why did the tax reform pass?",2049.6,2050.96,{"idx":2203,"utterance_id":2204,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2205,"start_s":2206,"end_s":2207,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},347,"67981","It only passed after 30 years.",2052.46,2053.74,{"idx":2209,"utterance_id":2210,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2211,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},348,"67982","because Congress said, 'fine, we'll vote, but the tax reform will fall into our lap.'",2053.82,2058.92,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},349,"67983","Whoever will approve the tax reform, we will say that the tax reform is a gift from the National Congress to the Brazilian people.",2059.28,2065.48,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},350,"67984","And it only passed for that reason.",2066.16,2067.22,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},351,"67985","And that's fine.",2068.72,2070,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":72,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2240,"target_proposition":2241,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2242,"indexable":220},352,"67986","We went to the debate, many things were put forward and the best possible tax reform came out.",2070.3,2074.94,"reforma-fiscal","Fiscal Reform","22ef4559-b70f-4b72-ab61-4df47273670d","approve a fiscal reform","Argues that it came out 'a melhor possível' and celebrates the approval.",{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},353,"67987","It's not ideal, no, but it was the only possible one.",2075.3,2077.42,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},354,"67988","And São Paulo is one of the states that will gain the most, because it's an industry reform.",2077.82,2081.34,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2240,"target_proposition":2241,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2261,"indexable":220},355,"67989","I've been fighting for this reform for 30 years, so you can see how old I am.",2081.82,2084.86,"Says they have been fighting for tax reform for 30 years.",{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":2270,"target_proposition":2271,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2272,"indexable":220},356,"67990","I've fought for this reform for 30 years because I know the number of direct and indirect jobs, how much companies, industry and the services sector will be affected; we have to compensate later and we will.",2085.4,2094.6,"politica-monetaria","Monetary Policy","4b1283d5-fb05-4e9a-8b92-403079ac4ebc","approve an agenda of reforms and privatizations in plenary","Justifies support by job creation and benefits to industry.",{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},357,"67991","But industry, especially in Brazil's Southeast, will benefit greatly.",2095.06,2100.84,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},358,"67992","But it passed, why?",2100.9,2102.24,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},359,"67993","Because the Congress took ownership, said, no, this is a positive agenda and we will discuss it.",2102.32,2107.28,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":362,"indexable":12},360,"67994","Regarding... The relationship with the president of the National Congress, which has its ups and downs, I believe it is a relationship that still has room, especially in this year of '26, the year isn't over, Brazil cannot stop for the election, things continue, and will be put in their proper places through dialogue.",2108.08,2129.7,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},361,"67995","One can make whatever criticisms of President Davi Alcolume, but President Davi Alcolume has always been a man who... lets the dust settle a bit, cools the thermometer, he sits at the table, he dialogues.",2130.66,2141.44,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":1164,"topic_label":1165,"target_id":2309,"target_proposition":2310,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2311,"indexable":220},362,"67996","I think that if we present three or four relevant projects by the end of the year that are of interest to the Brazilian people, he can, yes, be convinced to put them on the agenda.",2141.8,2153.56,"7330590c-9b0d-420e-b5cd-ce06ab4566cc","present and negotiate relevant projects for inclusion on the National Congress agenda","Proposes presenting relevant bills to persuade the president of Congress.",{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":8,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},363,"67997","You already know him very well.",2153.6,2154.84,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":8,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},364,"67998","What was missing?",2155.28,2156.04,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":8,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},365,"67999","Wasn't he heard?",2156.08,2156.86,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":8,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},366,"68000","Was he not attended to?",2157.24,2158.22,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":8,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},367,"68001","Why did this relationship come to be so...",2158.6,2159.98,{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":8,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},368,"68002","I'll take advantage, since you praised him and we're asking questions one after another.",2160.5,2165.32,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":8,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},369,"68003","I'll bring up the matter of the PEC to end the 6x1 schedule.",2165.62,2168.62,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":8,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2360,"topic_label":2361,"target_id":2362,"target_proposition":2363,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2364,"indexable":220},370,"68004","It arrived there from the Chamber, he could have put it directly into the CCJ, because we know.",2169.62,2175.02,"processo-legislativo","Legislative Process","2508d18d-6d2f-4a2f-b58e-55ac0bab1cca","place the 6x1-scale PEC on the CCJ agenda","Suggests that the project 'poderia ter colocado direto na CCJ'.",{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":8,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":265,"topic_slug":2360,"topic_label":2361,"target_id":2362,"target_proposition":2363,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2371,"indexable":220},371,"68005","that the other PEC, which is Rogério Marinho's, was placed in the CCJ, and yet the PEC on the 6x1 schedule will be discussed on Tuesday with the leaders and with the president of the CCJ to see if it will be placed there.",2175.08,2188.26,"Reports a comparison between the PECs and their processing in the CCJ.",{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":8,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2378,"topic_label":2379,"target_id":2380,"target_proposition":2381,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":2382,"indexable":12},372,"68006","So there's a lack of dialogue, then, between the government and Davi Alcolumbre.",2189,2193.12,"relacao-executivo-congresso-e-tramitacao-de-propostas","Executive-Congress Relations","33921697-e05b-40f2-9833-1b41ab9c7cac","establish dialogue between government and the President of the Senate on legislative agendas","Says 'está faltando diálogo' between the government and Davi Alcolumbre.",{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":2393,"indexable":12},373,"68007","And it's an issue of popular interest, Minister.",2193.22,2194.84,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","International Relations \u002F Labor","f67697cf-1bf4-4265-bfd0-08d59fefc47e","end six-for-one work schedule without salary reduction","Says it is a 'pauta de interesse popular' without detailing the proposal.",{"idx":2395,"utterance_id":2396,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2397,"start_s":2398,"end_s":2399,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},374,"68008","I'll say that I know Davi well, I was his colleague eight years ago, and I engaged a lot with him, a lot.",2194.88,2202.38,{"idx":2401,"utterance_id":2402,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2403,"start_s":2404,"end_s":2405,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},375,"68009","When necessary, I engaged firmly.",2203.08,2205.56,{"idx":2407,"utterance_id":2408,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2409,"start_s":2410,"end_s":2411,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},376,"68010","And he always respected me for that.",2205.9,2207.36,{"idx":2413,"utterance_id":2414,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2415,"start_s":2416,"end_s":2417,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},377,"68011","Because we didn't always agree with each other.",2207.78,2210.52,{"idx":2419,"utterance_id":2420,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2421,"start_s":2422,"end_s":2423,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},378,"68012","And we'd argue and afterwards everything was fine.",2210.58,2213.76,{"idx":2425,"utterance_id":2426,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2427,"start_s":2428,"end_s":2429,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},379,"68013","Davi also, as president of the chamber, today he is aware that he is the president of a chamber that is absolutely polarized and divided.",2215.28,2222.2,{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},380,"68014","So, when he received the 6x1 schedule project, I imagine what must have happened.",2222.72,2226.7,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},381,"68015","He must have faced the following pressure.",2226.76,2228.24,{"idx":2443,"utterance_id":2444,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2445,"start_s":2446,"end_s":2447,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},382,"68016","On one side... 'Agenda it immediately and send it to the CCJ.'",2228.62,2231.52,{"idx":2449,"utterance_id":2450,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2451,"start_s":2452,"end_s":2453,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},383,"68017","On the other, 'we don't want to approve the 6x1 schedule now, because this will positively impact President Lula's election.'",2232.18,2238.68,{"idx":2455,"utterance_id":2456,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2457,"start_s":2458,"end_s":2459,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},384,"68018","I have no doubt that that happened.",2238.74,2240.04,{"idx":2461,"utterance_id":2462,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2463,"start_s":2464,"end_s":2465,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},385,"68019","He may even deny it, but I'm convinced that's what happened.",2240.44,2244.52,{"idx":2467,"utterance_id":2468,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2469,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},386,"68020","I may be mistaken.",2244.74,2245.66,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},387,"68021","He, as the president that he is, knowing the house is divided, said, 'I'll wait a week, let the dust settle.'",2246.18,2253.26,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},388,"68022","Since it's a serious discussion... There is an appeal from society, I'll take it to the next leaders' meeting.",2253.6,2258.9,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},389,"68023","And the next leaders' meeting, a week later, is happening this week.",2259.02,2262.76,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},390,"68024","I don't know if it will be tomorrow or Wednesday.",2263.08,2264.46,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},391,"68025","Tomorrow to be discussed.",2266.02,2267.12,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},392,"68026","Because he also presides over a chamber that is absolutely polarized.",2267.8,2272.9,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},393,"68027","And I can't believe that the Senate will be able to resist popular pressure.",2273.3,2283.36,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2520,"rationale":2521,"indexable":220},394,"68028","Because the six-by-one schedule, people, whether you like it or not, is a reality.",2283.88,2288.14,0.95,"Says 'ela tem que ser uma realidade', defending the measure.",{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},395,"68029","It has to be a reality.",2288.74,2289.88,{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":8,"text":2531,"start_s":2532,"end_s":2533,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},396,"68030","And will it be approved before the elections, in your opinion?",2289.94,2291.92,{"idx":2535,"utterance_id":2536,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2537,"start_s":2538,"end_s":2539,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2540,"indexable":220},397,"68031","Ah, I believe it will be approved before the elections, because otherwise the electoral political cost of non-approval will fall into the senators' laps.",2293.04,2300.6,"Says they believe it will be approved before the elections.",{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2547,"indexable":220},398,"68032","And I had a study done earlier by IPEA.",2301.46,2303.5,"Presents an IPEA study underpinning the end of the 6x1 schedule.",{"idx":2549,"utterance_id":2550,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2551,"start_s":2552,"end_s":2553,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2554,"indexable":220},399,"68033","Then I had that study put into President Lula's hands, where we stated the following: first, Brazil does not end with the end of the 6x1 schedule.",2304,2312.18,"Downplays impacts and advocates ending the 6x1 schedule.",{"idx":459,"utterance_id":2556,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2557,"start_s":2558,"end_s":2559,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},"68034","Second, sectors—most sectors are not affected.",2313.06,2317.16,{"idx":2561,"utterance_id":2562,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2563,"start_s":2564,"end_s":2565,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":2566,"target_proposition":2567,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2568,"indexable":220},401,"68035","Brazilian agribusiness has a 1% impact, because agribusiness costs are no longer related to personnel, it's all mechanized.",2317.28,2325.94,"c26bae29-6f2a-48b6-93ca-74d011c2f1a5","provide state support to sectors harmed by the change to the 6x1 scale","Says that industry will need state support.",{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},402,"68036","Agro-industry likewise has a small impact.",2326.84,2329.9,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},403,"68037","Industry depends on the sector and will need support from the State.",2330.74,2334.66,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},404,"68038","And that's where the State comes in.",2334.72,2335.86,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},405,"68039","The State is an inducer of development and when necessary, why are there tax waivers, subsidies, tax expenditures?",2336.04,2342.78,{"idx":2594,"utterance_id":2595,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2596,"start_s":2597,"end_s":2598,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},406,"68040","So that you can foster the development of sectors that will be harmed either by external factors or by legislation itself.",2343.16,2349.76,{"idx":2600,"utterance_id":2601,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2602,"start_s":2603,"end_s":2604,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":2566,"target_proposition":2567,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":2605,"indexable":220},407,"68041","Who will really feel it and will need greater support, and which can be provided without any fiscal cost because of this, is the services sector.",2350.3,2358.6,"Indicates that the services sector will need greater state support.",{"idx":2607,"utterance_id":2608,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2609,"start_s":2610,"end_s":2611,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},408,"68042","Other than that, folks, on the contrary.",2359.12,2361.2,{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2615,"start_s":2616,"end_s":2617,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2618,"indexable":220},409,"68043","This will give a productivity gain to the worker, this will scale, it's a worker who works happier, and you have lower public health costs afterward.",2361.74,2371.84,"Argues for productivity gains and reduced healthcare costs.",{"idx":2620,"utterance_id":2621,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2622,"start_s":2623,"end_s":2624,"word_count":396,"indexable":12},410,"68044","Anyway, the study was very well done and I even think it would be interesting for Jovem Pan, perhaps, to bring experts and this study into the debate, even with the president of IPEA and with someone who is against, for a healthy, democratic debate, so we don't remain in that 'I'm for it or I'm against it' thing, without any, you know, fear?",2372.24,2389.14,{"idx":2626,"utterance_id":2627,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2628,"start_s":2629,"end_s":2630,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},411,"68045","I think we have to remove the fear.",2389.28,2390.66,{"idx":2632,"utterance_id":2633,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2634,"start_s":2635,"end_s":2636,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},412,"68046","Regarding the productive sector, I represent the productive sector.",2390.98,2393.06,{"idx":2638,"utterance_id":2639,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2640,"start_s":2641,"end_s":2642,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},413,"68047","So, I am very careful when I address this subject.",2393.44,2395.74,{"idx":2644,"utterance_id":2645,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2646,"start_s":2647,"end_s":2648,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":2389,"topic_label":2390,"target_id":2391,"target_proposition":2392,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2649,"indexable":220},414,"68048","But I was the first on a competitor of Jovem Pan, in an interview I gave back when the government was starting, to say something like, the end of the 6x1 schedule without salary reduction is ripe to be discussed in Brazil.",2396,2411.04,"Says ending the 6x1 schedule without reducing wages is ready.",{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},415,"68049","This is a fundamental step, even for us to move on to the next one, which is what the productive sector most wants.",2411.78,2416.48,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},416,"68050","With the approval of the end of the 6x1 schedule, there is an issue that interests the productive sector, agribusiness, agro-industry, the trade sector, wholesale, retail, services sector and industry,",2416.98,2426.82,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":8,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},417,"68051","which is",2427.14,2427.36,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":2674,"topic_label":2675,"target_id":2676,"target_proposition":2677,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2678,"indexable":220},418,"68052","how we will transform the Brazilian worker to be as productive as the worker in Europe and the United States, which means qualifying this worker in a broad program so that he has, moreover, not only... the employer gains more, but the worker himself is able to get better wages as a result.",2427.7,2448.42,"educacao-e-capacitacao-profissional","Vocational education","1dad33c3-5966-4e0a-bbae-24f3d0f352b0","implement a broad professional qualification program","Proposes training workers to increase national productivity.",{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":8,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},419,"68053","Ramiro, please.",2449.2,2449.7,{"idx":2686,"utterance_id":2687,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2688,"start_s":2689,"end_s":2690,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},420,"68054","Minister, we're talking here about the government's relationship with Congress, victories and defeats of the Lula government.",2450.18,2455.18,{"idx":2692,"utterance_id":2693,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2694,"start_s":2695,"end_s":2696,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2697,"target_proposition":2698,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":2699,"indexable":220},421,"68055","I wanted to recall one of the government's victories in Congress, which is also related to the economic team, before the government began, which was the approval of the fiscal framework.",2455.62,2462.94,"efb726c9-bd51-4f7d-bd00-d7761664e05d","approve the fiscal framework","Reports the approval of the fiscal framework as a government victory.",{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},422,"68056","Although the fiscal framework was approved, now I want to talk about the economy: public debt in the Lula government... It has been growing, right?",2463.7,2471.18,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},423,"68057","And according to the economists at the IMF, if nothing is done, it will continue as it is.",2471.4,2475.3,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},424,"68058","I'd like to know what happened for us to reach this point and what needs to be done by the next government so that this public debt changes, right?",2475.38,2482.78,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},425,"68059","Drop.",2483.5,2483.74,{"idx":2725,"utterance_id":2726,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2727,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},426,"68060","I'll try to be as concise as possible in this question, because I think from there you will also want to elaborate and develop other questions.",2484.7,2492.28,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},427,"68061","Let's go.",2493.62,2494,{"idx":2737,"utterance_id":2738,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2739,"start_s":2740,"end_s":2741,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},428,"68062","It was good that you mentioned that.",2494.5,2495.54,{"idx":2743,"utterance_id":2744,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2745,"start_s":2746,"end_s":2747,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},429,"68063","Public debt increased, but not the deficit.",2495.74,2498.32,{"idx":2749,"utterance_id":2750,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2751,"start_s":2752,"end_s":2753,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},430,"68064","The fiscal framework, although weak to many, was the possible fiscal framework post-pandemic and after the profligacy that occurred because of the pandemic.",2498.8,2509.54,{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},431,"68065","I was there.",2509.82,2510.32,{"idx":2761,"utterance_id":2762,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2763,"start_s":2764,"end_s":2765,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},432,"68066","And I can speak because I voted.",2511.02,2512.14,{"idx":2767,"utterance_id":2768,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2769,"start_s":2770,"end_s":2771,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},433,"68067","During the pandemic, we had such an exceptional moment in our lives that we didn't even know if we would come out of it alive, so we started spending.",2512.64,2522.22,{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},434,"68068","even in an unplanned way, because in the previous government there was no Ministry of Planning, so public resources were used in an absolutely ineffective way.",2522.96,2532.98,{"idx":2779,"utterance_id":2780,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2781,"start_s":2782,"end_s":2783,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},435,"68069","In the first year of President Lula's government we had to reposition everything.",2533.3,2536.76,{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2790,"target_proposition":2791,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":2793,"indexable":220},436,"68070","We had to approve a PEC, which I call the 'spending PEC', to reinstate public policies that did not exist, but we created a limit that was very smart.",2537.12,2545.38,"79607485-0c60-4fba-b2e6-e23c5a5883c3","approve a PEC to restore post-pandemic public policies",0.78,"Claims the approval of the 'PEC da gastança' as an action taken.",{"idx":2795,"utterance_id":2796,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2797,"start_s":2798,"end_s":2799,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},437,"68071","I think the fiscal framework is clever in two ways.",2545.42,2548.38,{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},438,"68072","It said the following: the more revenue increases, the more the possibility of spending increases.",2549.14,2554.68,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2812,"target_proposition":2813,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":2814,"indexable":220},439,"68073","Except that I increase the possibility of spending by 70% of the revenue increase.",2554.78,2559.68,"20b7853d-0c8f-4fdd-bfdb-c74dec00fbeb","limit public spending growth to 70% of revenue increase","Defends the rule that limits spending to 70% of revenue increases.",{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},440,"68074","That is the first way to reduce Brazil's primary deficit.",2560.28,2565.14,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},441,"68075","Besides that, I have a maximum limit on the growth of expenditures at 2.5%, even if the Brazilian GDP grows 3, 3.5% and so on.",2565.6,2572.26,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},442,"68076","Anyway, that engineering.",2572.68,2573.64,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},443,"68077","But you have... and it was no exception in the previous government, and this won't be an exception either.",2574.2,2579.24,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},444,"68078","In the other [case], you have external situations.",2579.3,2581.26,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},445,"68079","External situations that catch us off guard.",2581.66,2584.06,{"idx":2852,"utterance_id":2853,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2854,"start_s":2855,"end_s":2856,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},446,"68080","We had climatic effects, like the issue in Rio Grande do Sul, where we had to create extraordinary credits, and that is allowed by the Constitution, so off go a few billion.",2584.56,2595,{"idx":2858,"utterance_id":2859,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2860,"start_s":2861,"end_s":2862,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},447,"68081","We had, right at the start of the government, I think in the first or second year, the war between Ukraine and Russia.",2595.36,2603.08,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},448,"68082","And then, what does that have to do with us if it's on the other side of the world?",2603.78,2605.94,{"idx":2870,"utterance_id":2871,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2872,"start_s":2873,"end_s":2874,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},449,"68083","It hit squarely the sector that most generates the trade balance, which is today the sector that moves the economy in Brazil, which is the agribusiness and agro-industry sector.",2606.06,2617.14,{"idx":2876,"utterance_id":2877,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2878,"start_s":2879,"end_s":2880,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},450,"68084","So, this had an impact, a cost, a cost even for us: we no longer produce, we no longer produce fertilizers, which is another chapter we need to take up again.",2617.66,2629.04,{"idx":2882,"utterance_id":2883,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2884,"start_s":2885,"end_s":2886,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":2889,"target_proposition":2890,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":2891,"indexable":220},451,"68085","Brazil has everything it needs to produce fertilizers again.",2629.12,2631.9,"politica-comercial","Commercial Policy","1d93c8d6-0de7-4e73-8a33-3c7adf821c0e","resume national production of urea and fertilizers","States that Brazil has everything needed to resume producing fertilizers.",{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2895,"start_s":2896,"end_s":2897,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},452,"68086","In the past, we produced 50% of all the fertilizers we needed.",2632.18,2636.52,{"idx":2899,"utterance_id":2900,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2901,"start_s":2902,"end_s":2903,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},453,"68087","Today we don't produce 20%, not only because agribusiness production has grown, but because we've deindustrialized.",2637.06,2645.02,{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":8,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},454,"68088","It's a dependence on Russia, isn't it?",2645.06,2646.5,{"idx":2911,"utterance_id":2912,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2913,"start_s":2914,"end_s":2915,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2916,"topic_label":2917,"target_id":2918,"target_proposition":2919,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":2920,"indexable":220},455,"68089","Yes, and Petrobras has the responsibility to invest as well, I press Petrobras a lot on that.",2646.84,2651.94,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Industrial and Energy Policy","d3b53e6d-5b6d-464d-b5cc-3e8d923fa325","increase Petrobras investment in refining and domestic fertilizer production","Directly urges Petrobras to invest in refining and fertilizers.",{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},456,"68090","By the way, there is industry there in your hometown.",2652,2654.06,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},457,"68091","There is one in Três Lagos, where I was mayor and I brought it, I donated the land to Petrobras, it stalled.",2654.14,2659,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},458,"68092","back in the Lava Jato era and now Petrobras ends up in that discussion.",2659.9,2664.16,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":8,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},459,"68093","You say it's going to resume, right?",2664.2,2665.04,{"idx":2946,"utterance_id":2947,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2948,"start_s":2949,"end_s":2950,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":2889,"target_proposition":2890,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":2951,"indexable":220},460,"68094","It's almost time to give the go-ahead for the factory and it will double the production of estrogenated fertilizers in Brazil, a single factory.",2665.36,2671.9,"Reports that the factory's service order is imminent and production will double.",{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":8,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},461,"68095","That one is in Três Lagos.",2672.18,2672.98,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2955,"start_s":2961,"end_s":2962,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},462,"68096",2673.06,2673.82,{"idx":2964,"utterance_id":2965,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2966,"start_s":2967,"end_s":2968,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},463,"68097","So, I circled back, but I'll return to this here.",2674.04,2676.02,{"idx":2970,"utterance_id":2971,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2972,"start_s":2973,"end_s":2974,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},464,"68098","So, we had the war in Ukraine, which destabilized things.",2676.06,2680.32,{"idx":2976,"utterance_id":2977,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2978,"start_s":2979,"end_s":2980,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},465,"68099","Then... We had the Israel-Palestine issue, which has now even reached Lebanon, where my relatives are, I'm a granddaughter of Lebanese immigrants, and the Middle East with a war with Iran.",2680.94,2701.74,{"idx":2982,"utterance_id":2983,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2984,"start_s":2985,"end_s":2986,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},466,"68100","So, I'm saying this not only because of climatic effects, like in Rio Grande do Sul, but I'm talking about a number of situations.",2702.26,2707.8,{"idx":2988,"utterance_id":2989,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2990,"start_s":2991,"end_s":2992,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},467,"68101","Beyond all the exceptional situations, all of this has a cost.",2708.24,2711.86,{"idx":2994,"utterance_id":2995,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":2996,"start_s":2997,"end_s":2998,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},468,"68102","Because it was precisely in an area where we and the world are dependent on oil, this impacts inflation, this impacts the exchange rate.",2712.16,2722.46,{"idx":3000,"utterance_id":3001,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3002,"start_s":3003,"end_s":3004,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},469,"68103","It starts with the exchange rate — this affects the exchange rate, this affects the price of oil.",2723.28,2727.44,{"idx":3006,"utterance_id":3007,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3008,"start_s":3009,"end_s":3010,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},470,"68104","Today we are self-sufficient in oil production, but we are not self-sufficient in refining.",2727.78,2733.26,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":2916,"topic_label":2917,"target_id":3017,"target_proposition":3018,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3019,"indexable":220},471,"68105","We have to discuss, without any prejudice anymore, again, the capacity to refine 100% of the oil we consume, because we have to stop this story of sending the raw material abroad.",2733.64,2745.4,"e2898184-2e2e-4222-a7ac-7d41b049925d","expand refining capacity and invest in technology in the oil and gas sector","Argues for discussing refining 100% of the oil consumed in the country.",{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},472,"68106","And buying it back sometimes 10 times more expensive, or 20 times more expensive, or 5 times more expensive.",2745.96,2750.04,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},473,"68107","I think rare earths go through the same issue.",2750.08,2753.84,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},474,"68108","That's another chapter we can discuss.",2754.68,2756.6,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},475,"68109","So all of this, Ramiro, demanded a very high cost from the Brazilian state.",2757,2762.58,{"idx":3045,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3050,"target_proposition":3051,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":3052,"indexable":220},476,"68110","In a single sentence, we came out of a pandemic with public policies extinguished, and we had to restore public policies.",2763.56,2770.52,"4967d439-132b-4ff7-a274-9fafd7dcf544","restore post-pandemic public policies","Claims that public policies were restored after the pandemic.",{"idx":3054,"utterance_id":3055,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3056,"start_s":3057,"end_s":3058,"word_count":295,"indexable":12},477,"68111","The Ministry of Planning itself had to be recreated, Farmácia Popular, Minha Casa Minha Vida, which generates so many jobs, because civil construction is the sector that creates the most jobs in Brazil, went four years in the previous government without any new contracts in Faixa 1.",2770.96,2783.28,{"idx":3060,"utterance_id":3061,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3062,"start_s":3063,"end_s":3064,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},478,"68112","So, we had to restart all of that.",2783.34,2785.3,{"idx":3066,"utterance_id":3067,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3068,"start_s":3069,"end_s":3070,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},479,"68113","At the same time, we had to face the war in Ukraine with Russia, fertilizers, the Iran war with oil.",2785.6,2790.76,{"idx":3072,"utterance_id":3073,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3074,"start_s":3075,"end_s":3076,"word_count":253,"indexable":12},480,"68114","now, when we were organizing the house, the war of Israel with Palestine, anyway, there is a situation, climatic effects, Rio Grande do Sul, And I don't want to be... Forgive me, like, there will be wars, there will be a climate crisis...",2790.8,2806.06,{"idx":3078,"utterance_id":3079,"speaker_name":8,"text":3080,"start_s":3081,"end_s":3082,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},481,"68115","I was going to say exactly that.",2806.1,2806.96,{"idx":3084,"utterance_id":3085,"speaker_name":8,"text":3086,"start_s":3087,"end_s":3088,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},482,"68116","All of that will continue to exist.",2807,2808.14,{"idx":3090,"utterance_id":3091,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3092,"start_s":3093,"end_s":3094,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},483,"68117","No, I was going to say exactly that.",2808.26,2809.78,{"idx":3096,"utterance_id":3097,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3098,"start_s":3099,"end_s":3100,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3101,"target_proposition":3102,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3103,"indexable":220},484,"68118","The solution is reindustrialization, rare earths — is there anything else that can be done?",2809.84,2812.48,"e8f7ad98-f48b-48ed-9f3f-c89088ae8612","promote industrialization of raw materials and development of national value chains","Presents reindustrialization and rare earths as an economic solution.",{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},485,"68119","There are two solutions.",2812.56,2813.6,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},486,"68120","Arca-bolsa was not enough.",2813.88,2815.16,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},487,"68121","Yes, there were two solutions.",2815.2,2816.24,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},488,"68122","And they were not sufficient.",2816.6,2817.54,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},489,"68123","it also wasn't just because of 'proposta nota'.",2817.58,2819.1,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},490,"68124","Do you remember that every time we tried to do a spending review, presented it to the National Congress, it came out of the National Congress even weaker.",2819.16,2825.7,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3143,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},491,"68125","I was proven wrong, like.",2826.34,2827.36,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},492,"68126","And the press was too, with me.",2828.04,2829.24,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":331,"indexable":12},493,"68127","In the first year, we had an expectation, because I'm more of a fiscalist, and President Lula chose me as minister of State knowing, because he likes contradiction, he knew he would put someone there who would be that Pinóquio, remember the story of Pinocchio, would be the talking cricket?",2829.56,2843.16,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},494,"68128","Look, conscience doesn't go one way or the other, even though many times I was defeated, other times I was heard and we did a lot together.",2843.62,2852.6,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},495,"68129","But we were betting on the National Congress, since it was a Congress more to the right, that it would be more fiscalist.",2853.8,2858.22,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},496,"68130","The opposite happened.",2858.28,2859.26,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3182,"target_proposition":3183,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3184,"indexable":220},497,"68131","The National Congress presents projects with billion‑impact on public accounts, billion‑impact, with no responsibility, not saying, where will I compensate for this?",2859.92,2868.38,"d8d4c107-f071-4e4e-b627-b11e1e89c016","Require budgetary compensation for new permanent expenses","Criticizes billion-dollar projects without compensation and asks 'quem vai pagar?'",{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},498,"68132","Who is going to pay this bill?",2868.92,2870.02,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},499,"68133","Are we going to go into debt and with that impact the exchange rate, inflation and the Central Bank interest rates that won't fall because of it?",2870.7,2879.06,{"idx":3198,"utterance_id":3199,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3200,"start_s":3201,"end_s":3202,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},500,"68134","So, let's share this responsibility.",2879.7,2882.54,{"idx":3204,"utterance_id":3205,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3206,"start_s":3207,"end_s":3208,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},501,"68135","We approved a framework that was possible post-pandemic, aware of public policies, and now comes your question.",2883,2890.22,{"idx":3210,"utterance_id":3211,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3212,"start_s":3213,"end_s":3214,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},502,"68136","And now, José?",2890.34,2890.98,{"idx":3216,"utterance_id":3217,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3218,"start_s":3219,"end_s":3220,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},503,"68137","I mean, minister, if there will always be wars, if we will always have exceptional events, what's the way out?",2891.88,2897.9,{"idx":3222,"utterance_id":3223,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3224,"start_s":3225,"end_s":3226,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},504,"68138","Now we have no more excuse.",2898.32,2899.92,{"idx":3228,"utterance_id":3229,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3230,"start_s":3231,"end_s":3232,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},505,"68139","God willing, we no longer have the pandemic, the internal problems... relatively solved, we have policies to implement, reforms to do, but we organized the house, we rebuilt public policies, everything is on the table, now we have to have the courage.",2900.44,2916.54,{"idx":3234,"utterance_id":3235,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3236,"start_s":3237,"end_s":3238,"word_count":104,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3239,"target_proposition":3240,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3241,"indexable":220},506,"68140","post-election, that is, whoever is the next president of the Republic, to make a reverse PEC.",2917.14,2921.66,"d4415a15-df67-4cd6-8c5c-2bc6621aca13","endorse and approve the fiscal reform PEC","Explicitly proposes 'fazer uma PEC inversa' after the election.",{"idx":3243,"utterance_id":3244,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3245,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},507,"68141","The PEC of '22 was the PEC of wasteful spending.",2922.02,2924.28,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},508,"68142","We had to restore, we put 160, we put 170, I don't even remember, billion, another 140‑something, 160 billion more in the budget per year.",2924.34,2932.5,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},509,"68143","Now we have to have a more restrictive framework, but associated with that, and this is important, we have the responsibility, the following question always in our lives.",2932.9,2943.56,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},510,"68144","What is worse?",2944.8,2945.32,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3272,"target_proposition":3273,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3274,"indexable":12},511,"68145","To spend a lot or to spend badly?",2946.02,2947.76,"7ae4a17d-cb8a-46ea-8b4e-3fd053451478","increase public spending efficiency and welfare returns","Advocates planning and efficient spending as basic responsibilities.",{"idx":3276,"utterance_id":3277,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3278,"start_s":3279,"end_s":3280,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},512,"68146","Both are bad for the Brazilian budget, for politics.",2948.16,2953.1,{"idx":3282,"utterance_id":3283,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3284,"start_s":3285,"end_s":3286,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},513,"68147","Spending a lot is bad, but worse than spending a lot is spending badly.",2953.36,2956.78,{"idx":3288,"utterance_id":3289,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3290,"start_s":3291,"end_s":3292,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},514,"68148","I could spend whatever on education and health, provided we had an excellent public health system and public education.",2957.26,2963.52,{"idx":3294,"utterance_id":3295,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3296,"start_s":3297,"end_s":3298,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},515,"68149","Fine, we compensate in other ways.",2964,2965.76,{"idx":3300,"utterance_id":3301,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3302,"start_s":3303,"end_s":3304,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},516,"68150","The problem is that we spend a lot on health and education and we spend poorly.",2966.08,2968.86,{"idx":3306,"utterance_id":3307,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3308,"start_s":3309,"end_s":3310,"word_count":301,"indexable":12},517,"68151","So this homework, which is to guarantee the following — a culture of planning in Brazil, to have strategic planning in any area and to spend the Brazilian people's money efficiently — we can't achieve this with either the left or the right.",2969.7,2984.48,{"idx":3312,"utterance_id":3313,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3314,"start_s":3315,"end_s":3316,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},518,"68152","It's no use thinking that what the most right‑wing president does...",2984.86,2988.94,{"idx":3318,"utterance_id":3319,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3320,"start_s":3321,"end_s":3322,"word_count":331,"indexable":12},519,"68153","Some did in the past, but that is not the expectation I have because of the National Congress, because the National Congress today... You have a sectarian bench, and we discussed this a bit behind the scenes, sectarian and very specifically focused and lacking a horizontal view of Brazil.",2989.48,3007.54,{"idx":3324,"utterance_id":3325,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3326,"start_s":3327,"end_s":3328,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},520,"68154","That is, it can't discuss Brazil as a whole.",3007.82,3009.84,{"idx":3330,"utterance_id":3331,"speaker_name":8,"text":3332,"start_s":3333,"end_s":3334,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},521,"68155","Sorry, André.",3010,3010.52,{"idx":3336,"utterance_id":3337,"speaker_name":8,"text":3338,"start_s":3339,"end_s":3340,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},522,"68156","If you want to drink water while I ask the question, feel free.",3010.56,3012.94,{"idx":3342,"utterance_id":3343,"speaker_name":8,"text":3344,"start_s":3345,"end_s":3346,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},523,"68157","I see your throat is dry.",3012.98,3014.36,{"idx":3348,"utterance_id":3349,"speaker_name":8,"text":3350,"start_s":3351,"end_s":3352,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},524,"68158","Thank you.",3014.4,3015.18,{"idx":3354,"utterance_id":3355,"speaker_name":8,"text":3356,"start_s":3357,"end_s":3358,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},525,"68159","I'll pick up on that, I appointed my area.",3015.46,3017.38,{"idx":3360,"utterance_id":3361,"speaker_name":8,"text":3362,"start_s":3363,"end_s":3364,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},526,"68160","I do market programs on Veja Mais TV and I'll take advantage of it.",3017.78,3021.72,{"idx":3366,"utterance_id":3367,"speaker_name":8,"text":3368,"start_s":3369,"end_s":3370,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},527,"68161","Because in 2022, your candidacy was... the most celebrated by the market, right?",3022.58,3029.62,{"idx":3372,"utterance_id":3373,"speaker_name":8,"text":3374,"start_s":3375,"end_s":3376,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},528,"68162","You were that candidate they supported, the one with the most market support.",3030.28,3035.44,{"idx":3378,"utterance_id":3379,"speaker_name":8,"text":3380,"start_s":3381,"end_s":3382,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},529,"68163","The market recognizes that the Lula government maintained growth, maintained jobs, but demands a more rigorous fiscal policy.",3035.96,3046.44,{"idx":3384,"utterance_id":3385,"speaker_name":8,"text":3386,"start_s":3387,"end_s":3388,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},530,"68164","It demands it, in fact, from all the pre-candidates.",3046.84,3049.04,{"idx":3390,"utterance_id":3391,"speaker_name":8,"text":3392,"start_s":3393,"end_s":3394,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},531,"68165","They want the commitment from the pre-candidates that there will be fiscal adjustment starting in 2027.",3049.14,3054.18,{"idx":3396,"utterance_id":3397,"speaker_name":8,"text":3398,"start_s":3399,"end_s":3400,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},532,"68166","You were saying it's your opinion, a more fiscalist, more financial‑planning opinion, but was this at some point a topic within the economic team?",3054.6,3067.56,{"idx":3402,"utterance_id":3403,"speaker_name":8,"text":3404,"start_s":3405,"end_s":3406,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},533,"68167","Look, we need to present to society that we are committed, not to profligacy, but to fiscal justice.",3067.72,3077.46,{"idx":3408,"utterance_id":3409,"speaker_name":8,"text":3410,"start_s":3411,"end_s":3412,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},534,"68168","If at some point, when you were at the Ministry, this was discussed and whether it will be?",3078.58,3083.14,{"idx":3414,"utterance_id":3415,"speaker_name":8,"text":3416,"start_s":3417,"end_s":3418,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},535,"68169","It is essential in 2026, whoever the president may be.",3083.62,3086.82,{"idx":3420,"utterance_id":3421,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3422,"start_s":3423,"end_s":3424,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},536,"68170","More than once it was discussed for a reason.",3087.34,3089.32,{"idx":3426,"utterance_id":3427,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3428,"start_s":3429,"end_s":3430,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},537,"68171","The framework, although it came weaker or more fragile than the market expected, was the possible framework, so much so that the National Congress also loosened up.",3089.36,3100.42,{"idx":3432,"utterance_id":3433,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3434,"start_s":3435,"end_s":3436,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},538,"68172","It has a... Everyone talks about a target, right?",3101.4,3104.16,{"idx":3438,"utterance_id":3439,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3440,"start_s":3441,"end_s":3442,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},539,"68173","There has to be a fiscal target, right?",3104.56,3106.62,{"idx":3444,"utterance_id":3445,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3446,"start_s":3447,"end_s":3448,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},540,"68174","A surplus, etc.",3106.76,3107.64,{"idx":3450,"utterance_id":3451,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3452,"start_s":3453,"end_s":3454,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},541,"68175","But there is a constraint that people forget.",3108,3110.16,{"idx":3456,"utterance_id":3457,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3458,"start_s":3459,"end_s":3460,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2812,"target_proposition":2813,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3461,"indexable":220},542,"68176","And it's the most important one to contain spending, which is the one I mentioned, that you can only spend 70% each year of the increase in revenue.",3110.92,3118.1,"Reiterates the cap that allows spending only 70% of revenue increases.",{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},543,"68177","So, over the lapse, over a 10‑year period, I will have an ever‑greater narrowing of public spending in Brazil.",3118.16,3124.98,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},544,"68178","You can say it's little, it should be stronger.",3125.54,3127.8,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},545,"68179","But what I want to say is this: given this rule that was never breached, except for the extraordinary credits permitted in the Constitution, how many times did we have to make choices?",3127.84,3139.52,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},546,"68180","One of them, two of them, was to send a... to the National Congress, a spending review, adjustments, that came out looser than they went in.",3140.1,3148.46,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},547,"68181","In my view, they went in even loose, but they came out looser still, because the National Congress didn't want, ah, this here electorally will...",3148.58,3157.26,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":8,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},548,"68182","Looser, when you say, more spending.",3157.5,3159.28,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},549,"68183","With more spending or with less restraint.",3159.32,3161.46,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},550,"68184","So, when we talked about public policies, unifying, putting limits... They held back.",3162.18,3168.98,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":185,"indexable":12},551,"68185","The last one even was, I don't know if it was '25, end of '24 to '25, where we presented it one way and it came out even weaker, more fragile.",3169.36,3180.02,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3522,"target_proposition":3523,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3524,"indexable":220},552,"68186","Only that... We will reach a moment when, whoever is the next president of the Republic, he will have no way out.",3180.24,3186.14,"0031df23-0aa0-4024-b540-b8914438444c","adopt fiscal responsibility in government","Says the next president 'vai ter que ser mais fiscalista'.",{"idx":3526,"utterance_id":3527,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3528,"start_s":3529,"end_s":3530,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},553,"68187","He will have to be more fiscalist.",3186.6,3188.7,{"idx":3532,"utterance_id":3533,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3534,"start_s":3535,"end_s":3536,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},554,"68188","And he can be fiscalist.",3188.82,3190.44,{"idx":3538,"utterance_id":3539,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3540,"start_s":3541,"end_s":3542,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},555,"68189","I think that's why I'm a centrist with conviction.",3190.98,3193.54,{"idx":3544,"utterance_id":3545,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3546,"start_s":3547,"end_s":3548,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},556,"68190","Brazil is far too rich.",3194.02,3195.22,{"idx":3550,"utterance_id":3551,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3552,"start_s":3553,"end_s":3554,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},557,"68191","Brazil is far too powerful.",3195.46,3196.8,{"idx":3556,"utterance_id":3557,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3558,"start_s":3559,"end_s":3560,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},558,"68192","Brazil has... There's so much fat to cut, so much inefficiency in the public machine.",3197.2,3202.28,{"idx":3562,"utterance_id":3563,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3564,"start_s":3565,"end_s":3566,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":3569,"target_proposition":3570,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3571,"indexable":220},559,"68193","And artificial intelligence coming in to do the administrative reform, so to speak, that we can't handle, because it will by itself ensure savings in public management, that's already the case.",3203.1,3214.9,"reforma-politica","Political Reform","65156991-c4b7-4b6c-be04-3d6843a82ec7","promote state administrative reform to lengthen careers and align salaries with the private sector","Proposes using AI to generate savings and modernize public management.",{"idx":3573,"utterance_id":3574,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3575,"start_s":3576,"end_s":3577,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},560,"68194","From paperwork to every expense, with fewer employees because it's doing the work.",3215.12,3220.72,{"idx":3579,"utterance_id":3580,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3581,"start_s":3582,"end_s":3583,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},561,"68195","from 100 men or 500 people, but we will reach that moment when the budgetary rule has basically ceased — fiscal measures changing or not — and the growth of mandatory expenditures on pensions,",3221.8,3238.58,{"idx":3585,"utterance_id":3586,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},562,"68196",3238.66,3238.78,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":971,"start_s":3592,"end_s":3593,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},563,"68197",3239.12,3239.26,{"idx":3595,"utterance_id":3596,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3597,"start_s":3598,"end_s":3599,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3522,"target_proposition":3523,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3600,"indexable":220},564,"68198","will require of the National Congress, of all of us... a more rigorous fiscal process.",3240.08,3246.16,"Says mandatory expenditures will require a stricter fiscal process.",{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3607,"target_proposition":3608,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3609,"rationale":3610,"indexable":220},565,"68199","But, again, here, Brazil is so rich, as I was saying, and so strong, that we can do this without eliminating any necessary public policy.",3246.44,3255.3,"2bf9e964-eb7e-47c6-bea4-558f122dce4d","reduce waste of public resources",0.86,"Argues for cutting inefficiencies without affecting essential policies.",{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":72,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3619,"target_proposition":3620,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3621,"rationale":3622,"indexable":12},566,"68200","It's that today we have public policies that are no longer efficient or necessary in Brazil.",3255.84,3260.24,"servico-publico","Public Service","b8c8b439-3100-4681-a4c9-0e06364d8b68","identify and eliminate inefficient public policies",0.66,"States that there are policies today that are no longer necessary.",{"idx":3624,"utterance_id":3625,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3626,"start_s":3627,"end_s":3628,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3607,"target_proposition":3608,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3629,"indexable":12},567,"68201","And we need to have courage.",3260.94,3261.92,"Calls for 'coragem' immediately after criticizing inefficient policies.",{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3636,"target_proposition":3637,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3638,"rationale":3639,"indexable":12},568,"68202","You have overlapping public policies.",3261.96,3264.4,"06e1b45d-50f1-45e1-b8e7-56b79dac0674","reduce overlap and duplication of public policies",0.62,"Points out overlap between public policies.",{"idx":3641,"utterance_id":3642,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3643,"start_s":3644,"end_s":3645,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3646,"target_proposition":3647,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3648,"indexable":220},569,"68203","This affects not only spending, but also subsidies.",3264.44,3268.72,"b2144901-b941-4abe-a6ca-db2ff602e1ca","eliminate tax privileges and fiscal benefits","Says it's necessary to change not only spending but also subsidies.",{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":197,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3609,"rationale":3657,"indexable":220},570,"68204","We have, regarding tax expenditures, public policies that were absolutely necessary 30 years ago, 20 years ago, even years ago, that are no longer necessary today.",3269.18,3279.14,"f7f1258a-b8d3-454e-9743-d77fe3eab69c","reduce tax expenditures","Affirms that tax expenditures that were once necessary no longer are.",{"idx":3659,"utterance_id":3660,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3661,"start_s":3662,"end_s":3663,"word_count":28,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3664,"indexable":12},571,"68205","For example, tax exemptions.",3279.48,3281.8,"Cites tax exemptions as an example of tax policy.",{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3671,"indexable":220},572,"68206","Do you know what tax exemption Brazil gives per year today?",3282.16,3285.08,"Introduces data on annual tax exemptions.",{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},573,"68207","600 billion.",3285.1,3286.64,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":144,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3684,"indexable":220},574,"68208","600 billion is all that Brazil forgoes in revenue without raising taxes, from sectors that are benefited to promote development.",3286.66,3295.9,"Provides a figure (600 billion) on annual tax exemptions.",{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3621,"rationale":3691,"indexable":12},575,"68209","Some... were necessary, but no longer.",3296.4,3299.34,"States that some tax exemptions were necessary before but are not today.",{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3698,"indexable":220},576,"68210","An example that we achieved, albeit phased, was the end of payroll tax relief.",3299.68,3304.76,"Claims to have promoted the phased end of payroll tax relief.",{"idx":3700,"utterance_id":3701,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3702,"start_s":3703,"end_s":3704,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":3705,"indexable":12},577,"68211","Payroll tax relief was absolutely necessary in the past.",3305.4,3310.28,"Says payroll tax relief was necessary in the past.",{"idx":3707,"utterance_id":3708,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3709,"start_s":3710,"end_s":3711,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},578,"68212","And, suddenly, it proved not to be anymore.",3310.8,3312.3,{"idx":3713,"utterance_id":3714,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3715,"start_s":3716,"end_s":3717,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3655,"target_proposition":3656,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":3718,"indexable":220},579,"68213","And we did our homework.",3312.36,3313.74,"States they did their 'dever de casa' on tax exemptions.",{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3725,"target_proposition":3726,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":3727,"indexable":220},580,"68214","So, if you take tax expenditures, of the 600 billion we have in exemptions, and make a cut of 10% — not uniformly, because you won't touch the super simples, because that's... — but if you make a cut of about 10% per year, each year 10% more, I'm talking only about 2027, you'd have an extra 60 billion in the coffers.",3314.12,3335.06,"18bdcb3b-670d-49d6-90fc-560a2f377ad8","implement a set of reforms to cut public spending by 100 to 200 billion per year","Proposes cutting tax expenditures by about 10% per year.",{"idx":3729,"utterance_id":3730,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3731,"start_s":3732,"end_s":3733,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3734,"target_proposition":3735,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":3737,"indexable":12},581,"68215","Either for a surplus or for emergency policies.",3335.5,3338.92,"20b0afad-7fc2-42fc-855f-7ac5a46d1bc9","use resources from reducing tax exemptions for surplus and emergency policies",0.82,"Proposes using the savings for a surplus or emergency policies.",{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3725,"target_proposition":3726,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3744,"indexable":12},582,"68216","If I talk about 2028, it's 60 plus 60, it's 120.",3339.3,3343.26,"Makes a projected calculation of revenues for the following years.",{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3751,"target_proposition":3752,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3609,"rationale":3753,"indexable":220},583,"68217","In 2029, I have nearly 200 billion in cash, to solve the public debt problem.",3343.38,3350.5,"fc9698da-c902-4f27-86ab-92f256861e78","carry out fiscal reform to reduce interest rates and public debt","Links the savings to solving the public debt problem.",{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":3760,"target_proposition":3761,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":3762,"indexable":220},584,"68218","So you have a way, without having to reduce money for Minha Casa Minha Vida, without having to reduce money for Bolsa Família, but by making the cuts that we made.",3351.02,3359.94,"5d173454-0193-44ae-92d7-87a5550851eb","maintain funding for social programs like Minha Casa Minha Vida and Bolsa Família","Claims cuts can be made without needing to reduce funding for those programs.",{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":3769,"target_proposition":3770,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3771,"rationale":3772,"indexable":12},585,"68219","How many millions of people left Bolsa Família because during the pandemic they were helped because they needed it and afterwards were already employed?",3360.08,3367.72,"317aadbf-2e03-40b0-8b50-069649c836c2","target social benefits to those who truly need them",0.65,"Rhetorically asks about beneficiaries who left Bolsa Família.",{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3776,"start_s":3777,"end_s":3778,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":3769,"target_proposition":3770,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":3779,"indexable":220},586,"68220","How many children or relatives of councilors, of politicians were on Bolsa Família and we cut them right in the first year?",3368.14,3374.62,"says they removed improper beneficiaries in the first year.",{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":8,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},587,"68221","So you have that.",3374.98,3375.6,{"idx":3787,"utterance_id":3788,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3789,"start_s":3790,"end_s":3791,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3619,"target_proposition":3620,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3792,"indexable":220},588,"68222","inefficiency, you have mistakes that you cut away, and you have public policies that were necessary but are no longer necessary today.",3376.14,3385.5,"advocates cutting mistakes and policies that are no longer necessary.",{"idx":3794,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3799,"target_proposition":3800,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":3801,"indexable":12},589,"68223","So, given all that, I know well, in depth, the Brazilian budget.",3385.82,3390.42,"171ad88d-c078-4bee-aee2-02cbb715aa0f","disseminate technical knowledge about the public budget","states they know the Brazilian budget in depth.",{"idx":3803,"utterance_id":3804,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3805,"start_s":3806,"end_s":3807,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":3617,"topic_label":3618,"target_id":3808,"target_proposition":3809,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3810,"indexable":12},590,"68224","and I know Brazil, because I travel around Brazil more than once, not only as a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic, but as... the Minister of Planning and Budget, to know if it's possible to do it without hitting the poorest, without harming essential public services, but doing the homework.",3390.82,3407.08,"9f4a9a85-5d9a-46bf-be0a-05ce152e2caf","prioritize technical management over politicking in public administration","cites experience as a minister and presence throughout Brazil.",{"idx":3812,"utterance_id":3813,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3814,"start_s":3815,"end_s":3816,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":3817,"target_proposition":3818,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":3819,"indexable":12},591,"68225","For that you need courage and you need knowledge.",3407.14,3409.84,"b7bbcd0e-7825-4b15-af44-8468ac22b500","implement fiscal reforms to increase fiscal space","says courage and expertise are needed to make the adjustment.",{"idx":3821,"utterance_id":3822,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3823,"start_s":3824,"end_s":3825,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":3826,"topic_label":3827,"target_id":3828,"target_proposition":3829,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3638,"rationale":3830,"indexable":12},592,"68226","The question is whether the next National Congress will have that capacity and that courage to do what is right, what needs to be done for the good of Brazil's future.",3410.16,3418.32,"poder-legislativo","Legislative Branch","f8d4a564-9496-409d-ad5c-8cd45ab2f110","ensure approval of government agendas in the National Congress","asks whether the next Congress will have the capacity and courage.",{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":8,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},593,"68227","We talked a lot about our economy, you have already said several times that it's about agribusiness.",3418.46,3422.98,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":8,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3843,"target_proposition":3844,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3845,"indexable":220},594,"68228","Last week, the American government announced a new 25% tariff.",3423.36,3426.78,"f4c484f7-040c-4ce9-968d-ce6a6e64f4a6","impose a 25% tariff on Brazilian products exported to the United States","reports a US government announcement of a new 25% tariff.",{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":8,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},595,"68229","This affects several products.",3428.22,3429.98,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":8,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3858,"target_proposition":3859,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":3860,"indexable":220},596,"68230","Meat was left out, but now it also runs up against the European Union, which had the suspension.",3430.08,3434.44,"cfac079e-c98d-4a79-a6b4-b00dc773f52e","apply tariff measures and trade suspensions between blocs (US\u002FEU\u002FBrazil)","notes that the measure affects products and involves the EU and a suspension.",{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":8,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},597,"68231","How have you viewed this announcement by the American government?",3434.9,3437.8,{"idx":3868,"utterance_id":3869,"speaker_name":8,"text":3870,"start_s":3871,"end_s":3872,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},598,"68232","And do you attribute this taxation announced by the government to the Bolsonaro family?",3438.24,3444.52,{"idx":3874,"utterance_id":3875,"speaker_name":8,"text":3876,"start_s":3877,"end_s":3878,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},599,"68233","Because it was precisely on the day the photo with Flávio was published, a few days after the Washington agenda.",3444.56,3450.86,{"idx":3880,"utterance_id":3881,"speaker_name":8,"text":3882,"start_s":3883,"end_s":3884,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},600,"68234","that this announcement came.",3451.26,3452.16,{"idx":3886,"utterance_id":3887,"speaker_name":8,"text":3888,"start_s":3889,"end_s":3890,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},601,"68235","How have you seen this announcement from the American government?",3452.22,3454,{"idx":3892,"utterance_id":3893,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3894,"start_s":3895,"end_s":3896,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},602,"68236","I think it's a mix of the two things.",3454.12,3456.6,{"idx":3898,"utterance_id":3899,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3900,"start_s":3901,"end_s":3902,"word_count":271,"indexable":12},603,"68237","I've already spoken about this, but I'll be very pragmatic here, using a joke that's not mine, but that they always use when they talk about polls: 'is it good or is it bad', and they go like, huh?",3456.7,3468.38,{"idx":3904,"utterance_id":3905,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3906,"start_s":3907,"end_s":3908,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},604,"68238","Why is it good and not bad?",3470.04,3471.36,{"idx":3910,"utterance_id":3911,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3912,"start_s":3913,"end_s":3914,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},605,"68239","Then a politician came along in the past and he's always repeated and plagiarized, right?",3471.5,3474.76,{"idx":3916,"utterance_id":3917,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3918,"start_s":3919,"end_s":3920,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},606,"68240","It's the economy, stupid.",3475,3476.08,{"idx":3922,"utterance_id":3923,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3924,"start_s":3925,"end_s":3926,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},607,"68241","That's the term they use: it's the economy, stupid.",3476.68,3479.06,{"idx":3928,"utterance_id":3929,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3930,"start_s":3931,"end_s":3932,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":2887,"topic_label":2888,"target_id":3933,"target_proposition":3934,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":3621,"rationale":3935,"indexable":12},608,"68242","I believe... particularly that they had much more responsibility back then, in the first tariff measure, because of internal management issues.",3480.26,3490.58,"86d7f67e-82f6-4423-89c1-e70eaaba73bc","analyze internal and external responsibilities for tariff measures","assigns part of the responsibility to internal administrations in the first tariff schedule.",{"idx":3937,"utterance_id":3938,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3939,"start_s":3940,"end_s":3941,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3944,"target_proposition":3945,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":3946,"indexable":220},609,"68243","We have a son of the former president who does nothing in the United States except advocate against Brazil and he's there, it's not me, there's an audio of him saying if it is necessary to leave Brazil a scorched earth, I feel vindicated.",3490.94,3504.36,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Foreign Policy and Diplomacy","b83987ae-427c-44a9-b99a-47f137a80365","prevent politicians' relatives from acting against national interests in international relations","criticizes a former president's son for advocating against Brazil.",{"idx":3948,"utterance_id":3949,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3950,"start_s":3951,"end_s":3952,"word_count":277,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3944,"target_proposition":3945,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":3953,"indexable":220},610,"68244","I mean, he's an absolutely... person who has no patriotism, who has no love for Brazil, who has already chosen another flag that is not ours, who should not even return to Brazil, because he will do a lot of harm to Brazil.",3504.4,3518.26,"calls the person disloyal and unpatriotic.",{"idx":3955,"utterance_id":3956,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3957,"start_s":3958,"end_s":3959,"word_count":450,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3960,"target_proposition":3961,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":3962,"indexable":220},611,"68245","But I think that more than regarding the tariff — which the tariff has much to do with the concern of the United States and the American government about the competitiveness of our products, especially Brazilian agribusiness — there is, yes, interference from them aimed at sectors of the American government, aimed at the 2026 election. Now, regarding, for example, labeling the PCC and the Comando Vermelho as terrorist organizations...",3519.4,3551.96,"a00d0862-3404-4129-b70b-d0eed747fdf5","declare foreign factions as terrorist organizations (when applicable)","expresses concern over the classification of PCC and Comando Vermelho as 'terroristas'.",{"idx":3964,"utterance_id":3965,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3966,"start_s":3967,"end_s":3968,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3969,"target_proposition":3970,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3971,"rationale":3972,"indexable":220},612,"68246","And that worries me even more than the tariff measure, which we'll resolve with dialogue, with diplomacy, showing that Brazil runs a deficit rather than a surplus in the trade balance with the United States.",3552.46,3566.78,"b5be9ed6-d8c3-4195-bf95-aa678b481e9b","negotiate trade disputes with the United States through diplomatic dialogue",0.87,"proposes dialogue and using diplomacy to address the tariff.",{"idx":3974,"utterance_id":3975,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3976,"start_s":3977,"end_s":3978,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3944,"target_proposition":3945,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":3979,"indexable":220},613,"68247","So, these fake news, these untruths that reach their ears, I think are also a result of the family.",3566.94,3572.42,"attributes false information to the family's circle that reaches the US.",{"idx":3981,"utterance_id":3982,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3983,"start_s":3984,"end_s":3985,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},614,"68248","Bolsonaro.",3573.32,3573.92,{"idx":3987,"utterance_id":3988,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3989,"start_s":3990,"end_s":3991,"word_count":35,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3960,"target_proposition":3961,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":3992,"indexable":220},615,"68249","But the issue of organized crime being considered a terrorist organization — that, I think, had more involvement and worries me much more in the medium term.",3574.3,3584,"repeats that such a designation worries them in the medium term.",{"idx":3994,"utterance_id":3995,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":3996,"start_s":3997,"end_s":3998,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":3999,"target_proposition":4000,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":4001,"indexable":12},616,"68250","The other day I posted, people began to say that this even interferes with our financial system, yes.",3584.36,3589.38,"0ff94e6c-8d61-46e0-bf17-f9614d002d4c","protect Pix and the Brazilian payment system","warns that the designation could interfere with the financial system.",{"idx":4003,"utterance_id":4004,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4005,"start_s":4006,"end_s":4007,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},617,"68251","And it is in a very simple way, because they can do everything from there.",3590.02,3593.3,{"idx":4009,"utterance_id":4010,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4011,"start_s":4012,"end_s":4013,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},618,"68252","We have two American brands that PIX competes against.",3594.42,3597.28,{"idx":4015,"utterance_id":4016,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4017,"start_s":4018,"end_s":4019,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":4020,"topic_label":4021,"target_id":4022,"target_proposition":4023,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4024,"indexable":220},619,"68253","PIX competes because it is the most efficient, cheapest system, a genuinely Brazilian technology, with the two largest credit card brands in the world.",3597.72,3606.08,"politica-de-credito-e-financiamento","Credit and Financing Policy","67291bde-d671-4dd1-82b2-662faa8cb681","promote and protect PIX and Brazilian payment infrastructure","defends PIX as a genuinely Brazilian and efficient technology.",{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4028,"start_s":4029,"end_s":4030,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},620,"68254","And they are American.",3606.26,3607.28,{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4034,"start_s":4035,"end_s":4036,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},621,"68255","So, again, it's the economy, stupid.",3607.94,3610.28,{"idx":4038,"utterance_id":4039,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4040,"start_s":4041,"end_s":4042,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},622,"68256","So, there is the American government trying to defend the big techs, which are American interests, and it's their right to do that.",3610.42,3617.7,{"idx":4044,"utterance_id":4045,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4046,"start_s":4047,"end_s":4048,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3944,"target_proposition":3945,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4049,"indexable":220},623,"68257","I'm not discussing that, I'm discussing and questioning the patriotism of a Brazilian family that acts against Brazil aiming for a project of power and not a project of nation.",3617.74,3627.84,"questions the patriotism of a family that 'joga contra o Brasil'.",{"idx":4051,"utterance_id":4052,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4053,"start_s":4054,"end_s":4055,"word_count":289,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3960,"target_proposition":3961,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4056,"indexable":220},624,"68258","And when I talk about a terrorist organization, I give the United States a tremendous power over the financial system that can affect all of us, that can reach Faria Lima and, consequently, commerce, industry and the life of the Brazilian citizen.",3628.48,3642.26,"explains that such a designation would give enormous financial power to the US.",{"idx":4058,"utterance_id":4059,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4060,"start_s":4061,"end_s":4062,"word_count":615,"topic_slug":2268,"topic_label":2269,"target_id":4063,"target_proposition":4064,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4065,"indexable":220},625,"68259","In that tracing, if they want to say the following: look, there's a large Brazilian industry, or even a big Brazilian bank, that indirectly received funds resulting from PCC money laundering, because it passed through various hands and went through the bank, they now say this bank can no longer have economic activity; anyone from an American company or the American financial system who has business with this Brazilian bank, with this economic activity, with this Brazilian financial system or with this Brazilian company is prohibited — I have created a cascade effect of, I would say, still unimaginable consequences.",3643.38,3683.32,"70f1b284-bed7-4b91-a38e-de5ac01e7abe","protect the Brazilian financial system from extraterritorial sanctions and restrictions","details the cascading effect on banks and Brazilian companies.",{"idx":4067,"utterance_id":4068,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4069,"start_s":4070,"end_s":4071,"word_count":191,"indexable":12},626,"68260","Of course, I don't want to be catastrophist, that's not the goal, I'm absolutely optimistic, but it's something that has come to the table and wasn't there in the past.",3683.74,3691.68,{"idx":4073,"utterance_id":4074,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4075,"start_s":4076,"end_s":4077,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},627,"68261","This impacts the dollar, look at the exchange rate today, of course there are external factors as well.",3692.48,3696.88,{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":3944,"target_proposition":3945,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":4084,"indexable":220},628,"68262","So, it's a disservice that the Bolsonaro family is doing to Brazil; I don't think it was a coincidence, I think it combined, in short, the hunger with the desire to eat.",3697.26,3709.92,"calls the Bolsonaro family's actions abroad a 'desserviço'.",{"idx":4086,"utterance_id":4087,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4088,"start_s":4089,"end_s":4090,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},629,"68263","The United States' hunger with the Bolsonaro family's appetite.",3710.32,3713.2,{"idx":4092,"utterance_id":4093,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4094,"start_s":4095,"end_s":4096,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},630,"68264","João, please.",3713.24,3713.88,{"idx":4098,"utterance_id":4099,"speaker_name":8,"text":4100,"start_s":4101,"end_s":4102,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},631,"68265","Minister, I want to move away a bit from the economy and return to politics, because I think it's important that we talk a bit about São Paulo as well.",3713.92,3720.04,{"idx":4104,"utterance_id":4105,"speaker_name":8,"text":4106,"start_s":4107,"end_s":4108,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},632,"68266","Because the left faces a certain resistance in the interior of São Paulo and still has great difficulty breaking that resistance.",3720.58,3728.12,{"idx":4110,"utterance_id":4111,"speaker_name":8,"text":4112,"start_s":4113,"end_s":4114,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},633,"68267","Where the governor is being favored, he has a certain dominance.",3728.52,3731.14,{"idx":4116,"utterance_id":4117,"speaker_name":8,"text":4118,"start_s":4119,"end_s":4120,"word_count":247,"indexable":12},634,"68268","I'd like to ask you the following, in your internal assessment, also the PSB's assessment, how to break this resistance in the interior of São Paulo, given that it's an interior much more linked to Bolsonarism, especially there.",3731.76,3743.96,{"idx":4122,"utterance_id":4123,"speaker_name":8,"text":4124,"start_s":4125,"end_s":4126,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},635,"68269","the regions of Ribeirão Preto, São José do Rio Preto, are cities that are more bols... Barretos, for example, are somewhat more Bolsonarist cities.",3744.02,3751.86,{"idx":4128,"utterance_id":4129,"speaker_name":8,"text":4130,"start_s":4131,"end_s":4132,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},636,"68270","How to break this resistance and manage to get Fernando Haddad to also break that university bubble that hovers there... the PT candidate's campaign, in your assessment?",3752.24,3763.34,{"idx":4134,"utterance_id":4135,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4136,"start_s":4137,"end_s":4138,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":4141,"target_proposition":4142,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4143,"indexable":220},637,"68271","Above all with the truth, with dialogue and with the numbers, with the truth.",3763.96,3767.04,"processo-eleitoral","Electoral Process","f0c52292-7ede-4aac-b0ac-2e030396ab26","convince voters and increase confidence in the presidential candidacy","advocates dialogue and data to overcome resistance in the interior regions.",{"idx":4145,"utterance_id":4146,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4147,"start_s":4148,"end_s":4149,"word_count":433,"indexable":12},638,"68272","We're basically talking, since you mentioned these regions that I know well, especially a region that grows a lot of sugarcane — I am a sugarcane producer too — and therefore I visit, for reasons more personal than political, the interior of São Paulo, and it is not only recently, for a long time, even other sectors that are now entering a bit as well, the cellulose sector.",3767.68,3789.74,{"idx":4151,"utterance_id":4152,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4153,"start_s":4154,"end_s":4155,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},639,"68273","we also produce cellulose; there is a very strong reaction from agribusiness that does not match the numbers presented.",3790.28,3798.06,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":4157,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4158,"start_s":4159,"end_s":4160,"word_count":390,"topic_slug":4161,"topic_label":4162,"target_id":4163,"target_proposition":4164,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4165,"indexable":220},"68274","We are facing the largest plano safra in Brazil's history, and it's true that rural credit is a problem for us — now I'm speaking as someone from agribusiness — it is a problem for us, because rural credit is never sufficient; we need more subsidy for rural insurance, and I was on the CMN, I voted.",3798.2,3813.88,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","Agriculture & Agribusiness","984d9526-924e-46d5-b9d2-61c91e9e9040","expand FEAP resources for rural financing and insurance","says rural credit is insufficient and calls for more subsidies for insurance.",{"idx":4167,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":265,"topic_slug":4161,"topic_label":4162,"target_id":4163,"target_proposition":4164,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4172,"indexable":220},641,"68275","Haddad, Galípolo and I were the three — two ministers and the president of the Central Bank — voting on the whole issue of lowering interest rates, of differentiating rates, including for family farming, which we can never leave aside.",3814.32,3825.58,"reminds that they voted to differentiate and lower interest rates for agribusiness.",{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":4161,"topic_label":4162,"target_id":4179,"target_proposition":4180,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4181,"indexable":220},642,"68276","When I talk about agribusiness, I always include family farming.",3825.62,3828.52,"4c0bfa9d-3667-43f8-907c-a9b1b58d31d6","include and support family farming in agribusiness public policies","says they always include family farming when speaking about agribusiness.",{"idx":4183,"utterance_id":4184,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4185,"start_s":4186,"end_s":4187,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},643,"68277","I think it needs to be part of that dialogue, because it provides a great service.",3829.04,3833.1,{"idx":4189,"utterance_id":4190,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4191,"start_s":4192,"end_s":4193,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},644,"68278","for Brazil, which is the one that really puts food on the Brazilian people's table, 70%.",3833.48,3837.46,{"idx":4195,"utterance_id":4196,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4197,"start_s":4198,"end_s":4199,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},645,"68279","I don't put food on the Brazilian people's tables, but I export, we export.",3838.98,3843.74,{"idx":4201,"utterance_id":4202,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4203,"start_s":4204,"end_s":4205,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},646,"68280","And what's very good for Brazil is that agribusiness and the agroindustry are fundamental for Brazil's growth.",3844.06,3849.4,{"idx":4207,"utterance_id":4208,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4209,"start_s":4210,"end_s":4211,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},647,"68281","But who puts food on the table — beans, fresh produce, fruits — is family farming.",3849.7,3856.34,{"idx":4213,"utterance_id":4214,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4215,"start_s":4216,"end_s":4217,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":4161,"topic_label":4162,"target_id":4179,"target_proposition":4180,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4218,"indexable":12},648,"68282","So, I think it's about dialogue.",3856.72,3857.98,"argues that family farming should take part in the public dialogue.",{"idx":4220,"utterance_id":4221,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4222,"start_s":4223,"end_s":4224,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},649,"68283","And showing the numbers.",3858.44,3859.28,{"idx":4226,"utterance_id":4227,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4228,"start_s":4229,"end_s":4230,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},650,"68284","Beyond that, calmly, I don't think this sector will decide the national election or here in São Paulo.",3859.58,3867.8,{"idx":4232,"utterance_id":4233,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4234,"start_s":4235,"end_s":4236,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},651,"68285","It is an electorally more restricted sector and that has difficulty due to ideology.",3868.44,3875.44,{"idx":4238,"utterance_id":4239,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4240,"start_s":4241,"end_s":4242,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},652,"68286","to change sides in three months.",3876.26,3877.66,{"idx":4244,"utterance_id":4245,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4246,"start_s":4247,"end_s":4248,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},653,"68287","I don't think they'll change sides in three months.",3877.7,3879.32,{"idx":4250,"utterance_id":4251,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4252,"start_s":4253,"end_s":4254,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},654,"68288","We will continue dialoguing.",3879.36,3880.48,{"idx":4256,"utterance_id":4257,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4258,"start_s":4259,"end_s":4260,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},655,"68289","I have legitimacy to talk to them and I will do that.",3880.88,3884.6,{"idx":4262,"utterance_id":4263,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4264,"start_s":4265,"end_s":4266,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},656,"68290","It is my role to do that.",3884.7,3886.76,{"idx":4268,"utterance_id":4269,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4270,"start_s":4271,"end_s":4272,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":4273,"target_proposition":4274,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4275,"indexable":12},657,"68291","I even committed to doing that.",3886.84,3888.8,"05dd2988-9916-445a-bc75-5d909928edf8","dialogue with agribusiness and the interior to build political support","publicly commits to engage in dialogue with that sector.",{"idx":4277,"utterance_id":4278,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4279,"start_s":4280,"end_s":4281,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},658,"68292","But I think it's very unlikely that they'll change.",3889.24,3891.96,{"idx":4283,"utterance_id":4284,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4285,"start_s":4286,"end_s":4287,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},659,"68293","There are people on that side who vote for the left, who vote for President Lula, who sometimes won't vote in the first round, but will vote in the second round.",3892.54,3898.72,{"idx":4289,"utterance_id":4290,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4291,"start_s":4292,"end_s":4293,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":4294,"target_proposition":4295,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4296,"indexable":220},660,"68294","But what we need to dialogue with the interior of São Paulo about is the national project and the state project we want for the interior of São Paulo.",3899.34,3906.5,"8fc3b9a5-1c54-4f05-b38f-044f380a6940","present a development and State project for the interior of São Paulo","proposes discussing a national and state plan for the interior regions.",{"idx":4298,"utterance_id":4299,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4300,"start_s":4301,"end_s":4302,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},661,"68295","São Paulo is the engine of the locomotive called Brazil.",3906.92,3909.68,{"idx":4304,"utterance_id":4305,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4306,"start_s":4307,"end_s":4308,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},662,"68296","If São Paulo does well, Brazil does well.",3910.18,3911.8,{"idx":4310,"utterance_id":4311,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4312,"start_s":4313,"end_s":4314,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},663,"68297","If São Paulo does badly, Brazil feels it.",3912.12,3913.94,{"idx":4316,"utterance_id":4317,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4318,"start_s":4319,"end_s":4320,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},664,"68298","Everything good that happens starts here first.",3914.5,3916.42,{"idx":750,"utterance_id":4322,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4323,"start_s":4324,"end_s":4325,"word_count":35,"indexable":12},"68299","Regrettably, we'd like it to happen across all of Brazil, but development arrives here first and then spreads to the interior, to other states.",3917.16,3926.62,{"idx":4327,"utterance_id":4328,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4329,"start_s":4330,"end_s":4331,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},666,"68300","And when São Paulo does badly, Brazil feels it.",3926.86,3929.56,{"idx":4333,"utterance_id":4334,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4335,"start_s":4336,"end_s":4337,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},667,"68301","So it's about engaging with the interior of São Paulo and talking about how much São Paulo can still improve.",3929.96,3934.6,{"idx":4339,"utterance_id":4340,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4341,"start_s":4342,"end_s":4343,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":4344,"topic_label":4345,"target_id":4346,"target_proposition":4347,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4348,"indexable":220},668,"68302","And having visibility and attention in all aspects, including agribusiness.",3935.08,3939.7,"politica-local","Local Politics","368a4757-4808-42b3-a89c-8f4ab0a3f682","give visibility and attention to development of São Paulo's interior and its agribusiness","advocates for more attention in all aspects, including agribusiness.",{"idx":4350,"utterance_id":4351,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4352,"start_s":4353,"end_s":4354,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":4355,"topic_label":4356,"target_id":4357,"target_proposition":4358,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4359,"indexable":220},669,"68303","It involves technology and innovation, which are the showcase.",3940.7,3945.34,"inovacao-e-pesquisa","Innovation and Research","3833d950-342e-4e01-b4e2-cdb1670cf7b4","increase public investment in agricultural research","suggests technology and innovation as a showcase for agribusiness.",{"idx":4361,"utterance_id":4362,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4363,"start_s":4364,"end_s":4365,"word_count":138,"indexable":12},670,"68304","What does São Paulo's agribusiness have that's different from the agribusiness in your Mato Grosso, your Mato Grosso do Sul?",3945.86,3952.04,{"idx":4367,"utterance_id":4368,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4369,"start_s":4370,"end_s":4371,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},671,"68305","What does it have?",3952.8,3953.24,{"idx":4373,"utterance_id":4374,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4375,"start_s":4376,"end_s":4377,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},672,"68306","Here we have excellent services in science and technology.",3953.76,3957.02,{"idx":4379,"utterance_id":4380,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4381,"start_s":4382,"end_s":4383,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},673,"68307","Embrapa is everywhere, but here you have the largest port",3957.14,3960.24,{"idx":4385,"utterance_id":4386,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4387,"start_s":4388,"end_s":4389,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},674,"68308","in Latin America.",3960.46,3961.34,{"idx":4391,"utterance_id":4392,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4393,"start_s":4394,"end_s":4395,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},675,"68309","So you have logistics, you have infrastructure, you have technology and you have the channels to get production out.",3961.4,3966.68,{"idx":4397,"utterance_id":4398,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4399,"start_s":4400,"end_s":4401,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":4344,"topic_label":4345,"target_id":4402,"target_proposition":4403,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":4404,"indexable":220},676,"68310","So take all of this even more strongly to... with efficient policies for the interior of São Paulo.",3967.02,3975.18,"1bb2ba50-961c-4c8d-b34d-9631c69e9df9","implement infrastructure, logistics, and technology policies to strengthen São Paulo's interior","Proposes bringing stronger logistics and infrastructure to the interior.",{"idx":4406,"utterance_id":4407,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4408,"start_s":4409,"end_s":4410,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},677,"68311","The interior of São Paulo, but also the São Paulo metropolitan area, or the metropolitan regions, not only of the capital, but of Sorocaba, of course São José do Rio Preto, all those regions.",3976.24,3987.04,{"idx":4412,"utterance_id":4413,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4414,"start_s":4415,"end_s":4416,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},678,"68312","I think there's something of excellence that needs to be put there; it's not my role.",3988.14,3991.82,{"idx":4418,"utterance_id":4419,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4420,"start_s":4421,"end_s":4422,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},679,"68313","it is my role as a pre-candidate for the Senate, the Senate has that responsibility, this applies to all the large metropolitan regions of Brazil.",3992.2,3998.98,{"idx":4424,"utterance_id":4425,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4426,"start_s":4427,"end_s":4428,"word_count":265,"topic_slug":4429,"topic_label":4430,"target_id":4431,"target_proposition":4432,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4433,"indexable":220},680,"68314","I think a major program, right after ending the 6x1 schedule, is to guarantee Brazilian workers—when I say workers, I mean us; I'm not talking about someone earning two salaries—the ability to use public transport more efficiently.",3999.36,4012.44,"transporte-publico","Public Transport","94cce237-cc25-44f8-9715-8e03a991f8fb","improve public transportation","Proposes a program to guarantee efficient public transport for workers.",{"idx":4435,"utterance_id":4436,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4437,"start_s":4438,"end_s":4439,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},681,"68315","The Prime Minister of England goes by metro.",4012.62,4015.64,{"idx":4441,"utterance_id":4442,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4443,"start_s":4444,"end_s":4445,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},682,"68316","And we can reduce that absurd number of cars, but we use cars because public transport is inefficient.",4016.04,4023.66,{"idx":4447,"utterance_id":4448,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4449,"start_s":4450,"end_s":4451,"word_count":765,"indexable":12},683,"68317","So, bring it to the metropolitan regions of the state of São Paulo, therefore not only the metropolitan region of the capital, which includes Guarulhos and everything else, but reach the other metropolitan regions—the issue, for example, of the single-ticket system that worked so well, which was... I think this example—sorry if it's long—but I'm a centrist person, I want so much the end of this polarization, I so much want to return to a moment when we'll discuss Brazil and achieve the Brazil of our dreams, where we discuss center, right, left at the same table, joking, talking, solving Brazil's problems, that I want to give examples of success when different ideologies work together.",4024,4062.88,{"idx":4453,"utterance_id":4454,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4455,"start_s":4456,"end_s":4457,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},684,"68318","I don't remember the year, she was my colleague as well.",4063.62,4066.28,{"idx":4459,"utterance_id":4460,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4461,"start_s":4462,"end_s":4463,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},685,"68319","Marta Suplicy was... Mayor of São Paulo.",4066.92,4070.34,{"idx":4465,"utterance_id":4466,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4467,"start_s":4468,"end_s":4469,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},686,"68320","I think she was the second.",4070.42,4071.1,{"idx":4471,"utterance_id":4472,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4473,"start_s":4474,"end_s":4475,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},687,"68321","Was Irundina the first?",4071.14,4072.12,{"idx":4477,"utterance_id":4478,"speaker_name":8,"text":4479,"start_s":4480,"end_s":4481,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},688,"68322","Irundina was the first.",4072.16,4072.96,{"idx":4483,"utterance_id":4484,"speaker_name":8,"text":4485,"start_s":4486,"end_s":4487,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},689,"68323","She was the first.",4073.04,4073.92,{"idx":4489,"utterance_id":4490,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4491,"start_s":4492,"end_s":4493,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},690,"68324","So, 2002, 2003, 2004.",4074.52,4074.86,{"idx":4495,"utterance_id":4496,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4497,"start_s":4498,"end_s":4499,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},691,"68325","She created the single-ticket system, which everyone still recognizes today.",4078.58,4081.22,{"idx":4501,"utterance_id":4502,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4503,"start_s":4504,"end_s":4505,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},692,"68326","She did away with the Zanza brand.",4081.26,4082.56,{"idx":4507,"utterance_id":4508,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4509,"start_s":4510,"end_s":4511,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},693,"68327","That got rid of the Zanza brand.",4082.7,4083.7,{"idx":4513,"utterance_id":4514,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4515,"start_s":4516,"end_s":4517,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},694,"68328","But what was the first step?",4083.96,4085.46,{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},695,"68329","That's what she achieved at that time.",4085.5,4086.94,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},696,"68330","To unify the public bus ticket.",4087.14,4091.04,{"idx":4531,"utterance_id":4532,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4533,"start_s":4534,"end_s":4535,"word_count":144,"indexable":12},697,"68331","Then Serra came and didn't say, 'well, it's because it's from the left that I'm going to...,' especially because it was a successful policy.",4092.16,4097.98,{"idx":4537,"utterance_id":4538,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4539,"start_s":4540,"end_s":4541,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},698,"68332","What did Serra Alckmin do?",4098.3,4100.04,{"idx":4543,"utterance_id":4544,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4545,"start_s":4546,"end_s":4547,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},699,"68333","They implemented the single-ticket for all public transport.",4100.96,4105.34,{"idx":4549,"utterance_id":4550,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4551,"start_s":4552,"end_s":4553,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},700,"68334","Then it included buses, metro and trains.",4105.42,4108.2,{"idx":4555,"utterance_id":4556,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4557,"start_s":4558,"end_s":4559,"word_count":289,"indexable":12},701,"68335","Then Dória came—there is, I know, a question about not having had, it seems, a bidding process, but anyway, maybe there was one, it can even be improved—and he created another system which is digital ticketing, the TOP, etc.",4109.22,4122.64,{"idx":4561,"utterance_id":4562,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4563,"start_s":4564,"end_s":4565,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":4566,"target_proposition":4567,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":4568,"rationale":4569,"indexable":12},702,"68336","What I'm trying to show with this?",4123.22,4124.22,"b1cd4ab7-c6bd-4e80-aef1-920b9e85931c","implement public policies with continuity and constancy of purpose",0.89,"Argues for improving public programs even under governments of different ideologies.",{"idx":4571,"utterance_id":4572,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4573,"start_s":4574,"end_s":4575,"word_count":162,"indexable":12},703,"68337","You have three different worldviews, or different visions of Brazil, different ideologies, and it's not because the government changed that the system changed.",4124.3,4132.18,{"idx":4577,"utterance_id":4578,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4579,"start_s":4580,"end_s":4581,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},704,"68338","One was refining the other's project.",4132.4,4134.52,{"idx":4583,"utterance_id":4584,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4585,"start_s":4586,"end_s":4587,"word_count":259,"indexable":12},705,"68339","All this to say the following: we have problems and solutions that transcend ideologies and polarization, and we're not moving forward because we keep saying, 'oh, it's from the government, I'm in opposition, so I'll vote against.'",4134.92,4148.62,{"idx":4589,"utterance_id":4590,"speaker_name":8,"text":4591,"start_s":4592,"end_s":4593,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},706,"68340","This is also a criticism of the government you were part of.",4148.68,4151.66,{"idx":4595,"utterance_id":4596,"speaker_name":8,"text":4597,"start_s":4598,"end_s":4599,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},707,"68341","Because many things from the previous government weren't continued.",4151.7,4155.58,{"idx":4601,"utterance_id":4602,"speaker_name":8,"text":4603,"start_s":4604,"end_s":4605,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},708,"68342","They even changed the name of Minha Casa Verde Amaral to Minha Casa Minha Vida, Bolsa Família, those minimal things.",4155.92,4161.52,{"idx":4607,"utterance_id":4608,"speaker_name":8,"text":4609,"start_s":4610,"end_s":4611,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},709,"68343","But before it was Minha Casa Minha Vida, right?",4161.58,4165.82,{"idx":4613,"utterance_id":4614,"speaker_name":8,"text":4615,"start_s":4616,"end_s":4617,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},710,"68344","It was Minha Casa Minha Vida the whole time.",4165.86,4167.16,{"idx":4619,"utterance_id":4620,"speaker_name":8,"text":4621,"start_s":4622,"end_s":4623,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},711,"68345","They're the ones who changed the name, right?",4167.2,4167.74,{"idx":4625,"utterance_id":4626,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4627,"start_s":4628,"end_s":4629,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},712,"68346","The same thing, the same result?",4167.78,4168.6,{"idx":4631,"utterance_id":4632,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4633,"start_s":4634,"end_s":4635,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},713,"68347","The name.",4168.64,4168.9,{"idx":4637,"utterance_id":4638,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4639,"start_s":4640,"end_s":4641,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":538,"topic_label":539,"target_id":4642,"target_proposition":4643,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4644,"indexable":220},714,"68348","I don't worry about changing it; I even think it should change.",4168.94,4170.62,"1a322bcd-eaa0-404f-8c96-b03b87fb25dd","strengthen income transfer programs (Bolsa Família)","Says they are not worried about changing names if there is improvement.",{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},715,"68349","I have no problem changing it.",4171.16,4172.22,{"idx":4652,"utterance_id":4653,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4654,"start_s":4655,"end_s":4656,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},716,"68350","Yes, I think the name—because if you refine it, Bruno, I think it can change.",4172.26,4177.16,{"idx":4658,"utterance_id":4659,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4660,"start_s":4661,"end_s":4662,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},717,"68351","I think there just needs to be recognition that things work.",4177.64,4180.66,{"idx":4664,"utterance_id":4665,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4666,"start_s":4667,"end_s":4668,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},718,"68352","I criticize the PT when it needs to be criticized.",4182.22,4185.14,{"idx":4670,"utterance_id":4671,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4672,"start_s":4673,"end_s":4674,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},719,"68353","And also because I was in opposition to the PT for many years.",4185.18,4187.62,{"idx":4676,"utterance_id":4677,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4678,"start_s":4679,"end_s":4680,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},720,"68354","I made a very clear, well-considered decision in my life.",4188.1,4193.1,{"idx":4682,"utterance_id":4683,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4684,"start_s":4685,"end_s":4686,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},721,"68355","For me, 2022 was a turning point in the following sense.",4193.56,4197.04,{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},722,"68356","For the first time since redemocratization, the ballots did not bring two democrats to the second round.",4197.5,4202.82,{"idx":4694,"utterance_id":4695,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4696,"start_s":4697,"end_s":4698,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},723,"68357","They didn't.",4203.78,4204.32,{"idx":4700,"utterance_id":4701,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4702,"start_s":4703,"end_s":4704,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":4705,"topic_label":4706,"target_id":4707,"target_proposition":4708,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":4709,"indexable":220},724,"68358","I was a candidate because I ran against a president who, to me, had a bias and flirted with authoritarianism.",4204.78,4212.22,"democracia-e-participacao-eleitoral","Democracy & Electoral Participation","e2a765ee-cc86-4470-9e46-32d4ab527883","Protect the democratic rule of law against authoritarian biases","Justifies the candidacy as a defense against authoritarian bias.",{"idx":4711,"utterance_id":4712,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4713,"start_s":4714,"end_s":4715,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},725,"68359","I was a senator.",4212.86,4214.06,{"idx":4717,"utterance_id":4718,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4719,"start_s":4720,"end_s":4721,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},726,"68360","at the time when Bolsonaro was President of the Republic.",4214.72,4216.98,{"idx":4723,"utterance_id":4724,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4725,"start_s":4726,"end_s":4727,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":4728,"topic_label":4729,"target_id":4730,"target_proposition":4731,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":4732,"indexable":220},727,"68361","And I saw the sectarian agendas of regression; I saw how Covid played out, how many people could have been saved if it hadn't been for vaccine denialism.",4217.86,4227.66,"politica-de-vacinacao","Vaccination Policy","c34f58af-c2e9-4a49-ad91-47e47e2025f9","implement public health policies based on science, including vaccination","Criticizes denialism and says vaccines would have saved lives.",{"idx":4734,"utterance_id":4735,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4736,"start_s":4737,"end_s":4738,"word_count":421,"indexable":12},728,"68362","So when I entered the race, it was as a third-way candidate; I thought neither of the two was ideal, but I had absolute awareness of which side I would be on in the second round if I didn't get there—because one was a democrat and the other wasn't.",4227.7,4243.3,{"idx":4740,"utterance_id":4741,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4742,"start_s":4743,"end_s":4744,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},729,"68363","Do I have criticisms of the government?",4243.72,4244.92,{"idx":4746,"utterance_id":4747,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4748,"start_s":4749,"end_s":4750,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},730,"68364","I do.",4245.02,4245.26,{"idx":4752,"utterance_id":4753,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4754,"start_s":4755,"end_s":4756,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":4757,"topic_label":4758,"target_id":4759,"target_proposition":4760,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":3736,"rationale":4761,"indexable":220},731,"68365","Criticisms that I made directly to President Lula, directly to the economic team.",4245.72,4249.94,"aliancas-politicas","Political Alliances","b2f10c0b-3675-4f39-a6e6-3627ace06788","form political coalitions united in defense of democracy","States that unity for the democratic project overcomes differences.",{"idx":4763,"utterance_id":4764,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4765,"start_s":4766,"end_s":4767,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},732,"68366","But what unites me with this project is infinitely greater than all the differences I have.",4250.74,4256.42,{"idx":4769,"utterance_id":4770,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4771,"start_s":4772,"end_s":4773,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},733,"68367","Because it starts with democracy and includes what I understand a country to be as a sovereign state.",4256.78,4261.24,{"idx":4775,"utterance_id":4776,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4777,"start_s":4778,"end_s":4779,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":3942,"topic_label":3943,"target_id":4780,"target_proposition":4781,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":4782,"indexable":220},734,"68368","Let's end this... mistaken, small-minded, petty 'vira-lata' complex.",4261.34,4267.64,"b637f3b7-0b01-48a7-b061-7a4d2ff1a881","protect national sovereignty","Rejects the notion of a submissive country and defends sovereignty.",{"idx":4784,"utterance_id":4785,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4786,"start_s":4787,"end_s":4788,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},735,"68369","Brazil is a great power.",4268.04,4270.26,{"idx":4790,"utterance_id":4791,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4792,"start_s":4793,"end_s":4794,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},736,"68370","Countries much smaller than Brazil have reached levels of development and quality of life.",4270.72,4276.8,{"idx":4796,"utterance_id":4797,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4798,"start_s":4799,"end_s":4800,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},737,"68371","You talk about South Korea, and many countries such as Japan.",4276.84,4280.62,{"idx":4802,"utterance_id":4803,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4804,"start_s":4805,"end_s":4806,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},738,"68372","Because they don't have this full 'vira-lata' mentality.",4281.3,4283.84,{"idx":4808,"utterance_id":4809,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4810,"start_s":4811,"end_s":4812,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},739,"68373","And we have a feeling of subservience to countries like the United States, or to China, or to any other country, which doesn't befit us.",4284.14,4292.38,{"idx":827,"utterance_id":4814,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4815,"start_s":4816,"end_s":4817,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},"68374","The country is very large; there isn't anything essential the world needs that Brazil does not have.",4292.52,4297.96,{"idx":4819,"utterance_id":4820,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4821,"start_s":4822,"end_s":4823,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},741,"68375","Show me one example.",4298.8,4300.06,{"idx":4825,"utterance_id":4826,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4827,"start_s":4828,"end_s":4829,"word_count":156,"indexable":12},742,"68376","And we remain with this mistaken view of a small country that depends on A, B or C to develop.",4300.38,4308.14,{"idx":4831,"utterance_id":4832,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4833,"start_s":4834,"end_s":4835,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},743,"68377","We don't need that.",4308.4,4309.44,{"idx":4837,"utterance_id":4838,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4839,"start_s":4840,"end_s":4841,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},744,"68378","Minister, this week I spoke with some people from the PT here in São Paulo who said there was a tendency that Márcio França could be the vice-governor on Haddad's ticket.",4309.78,4318.98,{"idx":4843,"utterance_id":4844,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4845,"start_s":4846,"end_s":4847,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},745,"68379","But when I talk to people from the PSB, it's a different story I hear—that Márcio França is a pre-candidate for the Senate.",4320.22,4325.66,{"idx":4849,"utterance_id":4850,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4851,"start_s":4852,"end_s":4853,"word_count":197,"indexable":12},746,"68380","that he hasn't spoken to President Lula for a while, about 15 days, that Lula hasn't told him anything about this matter of being Haddad's running mate.",4326.54,4334.1,{"idx":4855,"utterance_id":4856,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4857,"start_s":4858,"end_s":4859,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},747,"68381","On the other hand, you have already positioned yourself as a candidate for the Senate; you're leading the polls along with Marina Silva.",4335.16,4341.84,{"idx":4861,"utterance_id":4862,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4863,"start_s":4864,"end_s":4865,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":4757,"topic_label":4758,"target_id":4866,"target_proposition":4867,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1239,"rationale":4868,"indexable":12},748,"68382","I wanted to know if, firstly, PSB can have two Senate slots; wouldn't that create a... disharmony among the allied forces around Haddad's candidacy?",4341.88,4353.1,"4d93f048-b5e2-4300-83a9-fc739656c72c","PSB to launch two pre-candidates for the Senate","Asks if PSB could secure two slots and points to a risk of disharmony.",{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":150,"topic_slug":4757,"topic_label":4758,"target_id":4875,"target_proposition":4876,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4877,"indexable":220},749,"68383","And secondly, whether it's not a missed opportunity, with you and Marina Silva leading the polls, to put Márcio França into one of those slots.",4353.6,4361.12,"f53a5b76-dec6-4563-a2dc-51b64bd43b16","nominate Márcio França as candidate for the Senate","Proposes explicitly placing Márcio França in one of the slots.",{"idx":4879,"utterance_id":4880,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4881,"start_s":4882,"end_s":4883,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":4757,"topic_label":4758,"target_id":4866,"target_proposition":4867,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4884,"indexable":220},750,"68384","Ramiro, I don't see any difficulty with PSB having two pre-candidates for the Senate.",4361.7,4365.54,"Says they do not see difficulty for PSB to have two pre-candidates.",{"idx":4886,"utterance_id":4887,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4888,"start_s":4889,"end_s":4890,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},751,"68385","And that's not what will be the deciding factor.",4366.52,4369.74,{"idx":4892,"utterance_id":4893,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4894,"start_s":4895,"end_s":4896,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":4897,"target_proposition":4898,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":4899,"indexable":12},752,"68386","By 'deciding factor' I mean President Lula's re-election project in this wide coalition of a broad front, where, in my view, the electorate that will decide the national election is São Paulo.",4371,4381.84,"f578242f-e11c-495a-a81c-14a59fb13850","seek re-election of President Lula","Describes the re-election project as the 'fiel da balança' and the role of SP.",{"idx":4901,"utterance_id":4902,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4903,"start_s":4904,"end_s":4905,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},753,"68387","I have this awareness, Marina has this awareness and Marcio França has this awareness.",4382.44,4386.46,{"idx":4907,"utterance_id":4908,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4909,"start_s":4910,"end_s":4911,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},754,"68388","I praised all the qualities of all four to say that they can play in any position.",4386.84,4392.66,{"idx":4913,"utterance_id":4914,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4915,"start_s":4916,"end_s":4917,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},755,"68389","And they have that awareness.",4393.98,4395.2,{"idx":4919,"utterance_id":4920,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4921,"start_s":4922,"end_s":4923,"word_count":295,"indexable":12},756,"68390","Since they haven't been called yet, and we're a bit far from the convention, I think this could drag on maybe until the end of this month; I want to believe it will be resolved in 10 days, but it could drag on—it's legitimate for both to position themselves.",4395.8,4408.46,{"idx":4925,"utterance_id":4926,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4927,"start_s":4928,"end_s":4929,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":4930,"topic_label":4931,"target_id":4932,"target_proposition":4933,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":4934,"indexable":220},757,"68391","Look, I'm a pre-candidate because, for now, no one has asked me not to be a pre-candidate.",4408.54,4414.54,"candidaturas-e-filiacao","Candidacy and Affiliation","c7655b54-a639-47dd-9095-54d3f9130030","maintain my pre-candidacy","States literally 'sou pré-candidato' as the current position.",{"idx":4936,"utterance_id":4937,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4938,"start_s":4939,"end_s":4940,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},758,"68392","Márcio França, in my view, he is very combative, he knows São Paulo, he knows São Paulo very well.",4415.72,4420.92,{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":4757,"topic_label":4758,"target_id":4947,"target_proposition":4948,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1239,"rationale":4949,"indexable":12},759,"68393","Would he be an excellent running mate?",4421.38,4422.54,"81abb3db-bc66-4543-b292-139b1419d50d","nominate Márcio França as vice on the ticket","Raises as a question the possibility of Márcio França as running mate.",{"idx":4951,"utterance_id":4952,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4953,"start_s":4954,"end_s":4955,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},760,"68394","Without a doubt.",4423.06,4423.92,{"idx":4957,"utterance_id":4958,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4959,"start_s":4960,"end_s":4961,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},761,"68395","But that collective decision has not happened yet.",4424.34,4426.78,{"idx":4963,"utterance_id":4964,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4965,"start_s":4966,"end_s":4967,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},762,"68396","So, what position will both Marina and Márcio take?",4427.16,4430.7,{"idx":4969,"utterance_id":4970,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4971,"start_s":4972,"end_s":4973,"word_count":231,"topic_slug":4757,"topic_label":4758,"target_id":4974,"target_proposition":4975,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":4976,"indexable":220},763,"68397","It is a decision that largely belongs to President Lula, together with the pre-candidate Haddad, because he is the pre-candidate for governor; he needs to feel comfortable with that ticket, with the others, with both of them.",4430.74,4441.82,"b4dfeff4-4268-453f-a7f8-dbf46c0f1933","form electoral alliances in Ceará","Says the decision is for Lula together with Haddad (descriptive).",{"idx":4978,"utterance_id":4979,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4980,"start_s":4981,"end_s":4982,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":4983,"target_proposition":4984,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2520,"rationale":4985,"indexable":220},764,"68398","I can offer my contribution within that process; I don't have, I may have a preference, because my preference is President Lula's re-election. Are you in favor of a re-election?",4442.18,4454.08,"6478ae7b-356a-4b32-885b-ebc3ff31f0ae","Support President Lula's re-election","States explicitly that their preference is Lula's re-election.",{"idx":4987,"utterance_id":4988,"speaker_name":8,"text":4989,"start_s":4990,"end_s":4991,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":4992,"target_proposition":4993,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":4994,"indexable":12},765,"68399","You have already given a speech against re-election.",4454.54,4456.42,"f5b09c8c-68ed-4749-b72f-a36eaced99e5","make a speech against re-election","Relays that the interviewer says she gave a speech against re-election.",{"idx":4996,"utterance_id":4997,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":4998,"start_s":4999,"end_s":5000,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5001,"target_proposition":5002,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5003,"indexable":220},766,"68400","No, I think Brazil has to reconsider re-election.",4456.66,4459.64,"23e58a46-c921-4928-805b-0cc78e11f823","re-discuss the reelection system in Brazil","States that Brazil needs to reassess re-election.",{"idx":5005,"utterance_id":5006,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5007,"start_s":5008,"end_s":5009,"word_count":28,"topic_slug":4139,"topic_label":4140,"target_id":5010,"target_proposition":5011,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5012,"indexable":12},767,"68401","I was in favor.",4459.76,4460.36,"f500075c-d660-4274-9b12-7fe621cc9740","Support re-election","Reports a past position ('eu era a favor').",{"idx":5014,"utterance_id":5015,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5016,"start_s":5017,"end_s":5018,"word_count":72,"indexable":12},768,"68402","Back then, when Fernando Henrique discussed re-election, I thought four years is very little.",4460.42,4468.02,{"idx":5020,"utterance_id":5021,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5022,"start_s":5023,"end_s":5024,"word_count":67,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5025,"target_proposition":5026,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5027,"indexable":12},769,"68403","Actually, I think four years is very little.",4468.08,4469.66,"bcac491d-bd32-4460-9cf6-0df8e2adaa5c","extend presidential terms to five years","Says four years is too short, suggesting longer terms.",{"idx":5029,"utterance_id":5030,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5031,"start_s":5032,"end_s":5033,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5034,"target_proposition":5035,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":5036,"indexable":220},770,"68404","I am in favor of hearing society about ending re-election in favor of a five-year term.",4469.78,4474.14,"ed485923-f648-4c5c-a51a-e3f2280d8661","end re-election and institute a five-year presidential term","Explicitly declares support for ending re-election and for a five-year term.",{"idx":5038,"utterance_id":5039,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5040,"start_s":5041,"end_s":5042,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},771,"68405","I've been mayor and was re-elected as mayor.",4475.06,4476.98,{"idx":5044,"utterance_id":5045,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5046,"start_s":5047,"end_s":5048,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},772,"68406","I think eight years is too long.",4477.02,4478.42,{"idx":5050,"utterance_id":5051,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5052,"start_s":5053,"end_s":5054,"word_count":456,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5055,"target_proposition":5056,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5057,"indexable":220},773,"68407","And four years, I think it can... unify the elections, even if we have to, not in this one, okay, so I'm not advocating in my own interest, even if we have to extend the Senate in the future to 10 years, with at most one re-election so a senator doesn't stay 30, 40 years in power, we can limit that too, but I'm in favor of unifying the elections.",4478.98,4500.32,"65c4c8bf-b24d-4bda-a0d7-06a47506b8b7","unify elections and limit terms and re-election","Supports unifying elections and setting limits on terms and re-election.",{"idx":5059,"utterance_id":5060,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5061,"start_s":5062,"end_s":5063,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},774,"68408","We paralyze Brazil every two years—four or five months—and everything we need to move forward.",4501.56,4506.54,{"idx":5065,"utterance_id":5066,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5067,"start_s":5068,"end_s":5069,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},775,"68409","How many strategic projects are there in the Senate to be voted on?",4506.82,4509.84,{"idx":5071,"utterance_id":5072,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5073,"start_s":5074,"end_s":5075,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},776,"68410","And now, post-World Cup, will it come to a halt because there is an election?",4510.18,4513.1,{"idx":5077,"utterance_id":5078,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5079,"start_s":5080,"end_s":5081,"word_count":277,"topic_slug":5082,"topic_label":5083,"target_id":5084,"target_proposition":5085,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5086,"indexable":220},777,"68411","So, I think we have to discuss, if you allow me, more than I often speak about judiciary reform, which I think we have to... debate this subject as well; we have to discuss political reform in Brazil.",4513.3,4524.68,"reforma-do-judiciario-stf","Judicial reform","aac98a94-f5de-48f0-84f2-d89c407d8b32","carry out Judiciary reform","Calls to debate judicial reform as an important issue.",{"idx":5088,"utterance_id":5089,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5090,"start_s":5091,"end_s":5092,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},778,"68412","This is the mother of all reforms.",4524.94,4526.34,{"idx":5094,"utterance_id":5095,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5096,"start_s":5097,"end_s":5098,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},779,"68413","It's somewhat in the line of what Veiros started.",4526.84,4528.84,{"idx":5100,"utterance_id":5101,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5102,"start_s":5103,"end_s":5104,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},780,"68414","And then, what is missing?",4528.9,4529.66,{"idx":5106,"utterance_id":5107,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5108,"start_s":5109,"end_s":5110,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},781,"68415","What is happening?",4529.7,4530.54,{"idx":5112,"utterance_id":5113,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5114,"start_s":5115,"end_s":5116,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},782,"68416","Political parties weakened?",4531.02,4532.56,{"idx":5118,"utterance_id":5119,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5120,"start_s":5121,"end_s":5122,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},783,"68417","Political reform to solve that issue.",4532.94,4534.72,{"idx":5124,"utterance_id":5125,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5126,"start_s":5127,"end_s":5128,"word_count":468,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5129,"target_proposition":5130,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5131,"indexable":220},784,"68418","Discuss in the executive the end of re-election; society must be heard; discuss within the legislature limits for parliamentary amendments, transparency, ending privileges; within the judiciary itself, not only self-restraint with a code of conduct, although that can be re-discussed, but beyond that, advance, for example, and definitively end, as the CNJ is doing, this compulsory retirement for those who commit crimes in the judiciary—it's absurd.",4536.16,4567.8,"3f7dbc72-5eb2-47d9-8b46-85f0971fe047","debate ending re-election and increase transparency in parliamentary amendments","Proposes debating an end to re-election and limits\u002Ftransparency in amendments.",{"idx":5133,"utterance_id":5134,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5135,"start_s":5136,"end_s":5137,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},785,"68419","If you commit a crime anywhere in the world, any worker who commits a crime is dismissed.",4568.28,4574.04,{"idx":5139,"utterance_id":5140,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5141,"start_s":5142,"end_s":5143,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},786,"68420","He is dismissed, he is fired, and compulsorily retired with full salary.",4574.22,4578.82,{"idx":5145,"utterance_id":5146,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5147,"start_s":5148,"end_s":5149,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},787,"68421","So we have a serious and important political reform to carry out in the country.",4579.2,4582.36,{"idx":5151,"utterance_id":5152,"speaker_name":8,"text":5153,"start_s":5154,"end_s":5155,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},788,"68422","We will schedule a special 'Straight to the Point' about reform, and you are invited to discuss it.",4582.4,4587.2,{"idx":5157,"utterance_id":5158,"speaker_name":8,"text":5159,"start_s":5160,"end_s":5161,"word_count":253,"indexable":12},789,"68423","But I think that's exactly what I found interesting that you commented on, Minister, which is regarding this issue of the code of conduct, but at the same time regarding changes in the judiciary.",4587.24,4596.7,{"idx":5163,"utterance_id":5164,"speaker_name":8,"text":5165,"start_s":5166,"end_s":5167,"word_count":162,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5172,"indexable":12},790,"68424","What was elected, there's going to be a lot of debate within the Senate in the next legislature about the possibility of impeaching ministers of the STF.",4597.4,4604.96,"poder-judiciario","Judiciary","273c37b3-619d-4220-a8c1-5f80540d6551","open impeachment proceedings against STF ministers","Points out there is intense debate and impeachment requests in the next legislature.",{"idx":5174,"utterance_id":5175,"speaker_name":8,"text":5176,"start_s":5177,"end_s":5178,"word_count":289,"indexable":12},791,"68425","I wanted to ask you whether there is an assessment regarding this possibility of impeachment, whether you support at least the possibility of discussion, because there are more than 40, 50 impeachment requests stuck on the desk of the President of the Senate, Davi Alcolumbre.",4605.52,4619.92,{"idx":5180,"utterance_id":5181,"speaker_name":8,"text":5182,"start_s":5183,"end_s":5184,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},792,"68426","So, I wanted to know from you if you consider debate necessary or even creating a mandate.",4620.28,4625.94,{"idx":5186,"utterance_id":5187,"speaker_name":8,"text":5188,"start_s":5189,"end_s":5190,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5191,"target_proposition":5192,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5193,"indexable":12},793,"68427","for those ministers of the STF of up to 10 years.",4626.44,4629.68,"ab8d098b-295c-429d-bb80-15f0fd0213c6","establish a term of up to 10 years for STF ministers","Interviewer suggests creating terms of up to 10 years for ministers.",{"idx":5195,"utterance_id":5196,"speaker_name":8,"text":5197,"start_s":5198,"end_s":5199,"word_count":179,"indexable":12},794,"68428","And, at the same time, I wanted to know what you think should be declared, should be put in that Code of Conduct being debated by the presiding minister Edson Fachin.",4630.08,4639.96,{"idx":5201,"utterance_id":5202,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5203,"start_s":5204,"end_s":5205,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5206,"indexable":220},795,"68429","Well, first, is the possibility of impeachment of a minister of the STF in the Constitution?",4640.74,4645.86,"States the Constitution provides for the impeachment of STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) ministers.",{"idx":5208,"utterance_id":5209,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5210,"start_s":5211,"end_s":5212,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},796,"68430","It is.",4646.4,4646.62,{"idx":5214,"utterance_id":5215,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5216,"start_s":5217,"end_s":5218,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},797,"68431","So, there is the possibility of impeachment of anyone whatsoever.",4647.2,4650.2,{"idx":5220,"utterance_id":5221,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5222,"start_s":5223,"end_s":5224,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},798,"68432","We live in a republic.",4650.6,4652.06,{"idx":5226,"utterance_id":5227,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5228,"start_s":5229,"end_s":5230,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},799,"68433","A republic means that no one is above the law.",4652.54,4655.5,{"idx":5232,"utterance_id":5233,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":1449,"start_s":5234,"end_s":5235,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},800,"68434",4655.8,4656.12,{"idx":5237,"utterance_id":5238,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5239,"start_s":5240,"end_s":5241,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},801,"68435","If I can impeach a president (male or female), I can impeach any public authority that is provided for in the Constitution.",4656.4,4663.52,{"idx":5243,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":197,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5248,"indexable":220},802,"68436","What I have to do is make a differentiation, because it's not normal to have 40 impeachment processes there; it's which of those impeachment processes are based on the requirements of the Constitution.",4664.34,4674.44,"Calls for differentiation: processes must follow constitutional requirements.",{"idx":5250,"utterance_id":5251,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5252,"start_s":5253,"end_s":5254,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},803,"68437","And there should be.",4674.6,4675.12,{"idx":5256,"utterance_id":5257,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5258,"start_s":5259,"end_s":5260,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5261,"indexable":220},804,"68438","And for that reason the impeachment process should be opened with full right of defense and the process should be debated.",4675.88,4679.6,"Says impeachment must be opened with full defense and debate.",{"idx":5263,"utterance_id":5264,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5265,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},805,"68439","I only have to separate what is abuse of power.",4679.98,4682.5,{"idx":5269,"utterance_id":5270,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5271,"start_s":5272,"end_s":5273,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},806,"68440","suspicions of corruption, money laundering, selling judgments,",4683.16,4687.7,{"idx":5275,"utterance_id":5276,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5277,"start_s":5278,"end_s":5279,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},807,"68441","etc.",4687.78,4687.9,{"idx":5281,"utterance_id":5282,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5283,"start_s":5284,"end_s":5285,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":5286,"indexable":220},808,"68442","that it be the possibility of impeaching a minister of the STF for the so-called crime of interpretation, which is not provided for in the Brazilian Constitution.",4689,4696.86,"Rejects impeachment for a 'crime de interpretação', which is not provided for in the Constitution.",{"idx":5288,"utterance_id":5289,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5290,"start_s":5291,"end_s":5292,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":978,"rationale":5293,"indexable":220},809,"68443","It's not because I disagreed with the decision of a judge, of an appellate judge, or a state minister — and how many times I have disagreed, even with an STF minister — and how many times I have disagreed; after all, I'm a jurist, I taught administrative constitutional law for 12 years.",4697.32,4710.38,"Says that disagreement with a decision does not justify that the minister 'caia'.",{"idx":5295,"utterance_id":5296,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5297,"start_s":5298,"end_s":5299,"word_count":277,"indexable":12},810,"68444","It's not because I disagree with his decisions, even if his heavier sentence — which I thought was abusive and which was validated by the STF plenary — that I think that minister should be removed.",4712.24,4722.7,{"idx":5301,"utterance_id":5302,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5303,"start_s":5304,"end_s":5305,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},811,"68445","That cannot happen.",4722.8,4723.52,{"idx":5307,"utterance_id":5308,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5309,"start_s":5310,"end_s":5311,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5312,"indexable":12},812,"68446","That would be the end of democracy.",4723.56,4725.74,"States that such a practice would 'acabar com a democracia'.",{"idx":5314,"utterance_id":5315,"speaker_name":8,"text":5316,"start_s":5317,"end_s":5318,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},813,"68447","It would fall into ideology, right?",4726.18,4727.44,{"idx":5320,"utterance_id":5321,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5322,"start_s":5323,"end_s":5324,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},814,"68448","Yes, it would end democracy.",4727.52,4728.58,{"idx":5326,"utterance_id":5327,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5328,"start_s":5329,"end_s":5330,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":5331,"topic_label":5332,"target_id":5333,"target_proposition":5334,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":5335,"indexable":220},815,"68449","It's the same thing if someone says now, 'I want to impeach a senator of the Republic, I want to impeach one,' or even a president of the Republic because he created a public policy that I don't agree with.",4728.62,4736.84,"instituicoes","Institutions","feab0db7-4d7c-4d0d-89b1-7b042a9870ff","use impeachment to punish the creation of public policies","Warns against impeachment for mere disagreement over public policies.",{"idx":5337,"utterance_id":5338,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5339,"start_s":5340,"end_s":5341,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},816,"68450","Then it's the end of everything we know.",4737.54,4739.2,{"idx":5343,"utterance_id":5344,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5345,"start_s":5346,"end_s":5347,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},817,"68451","And this happens.",4739.64,4740.74,{"idx":5349,"utterance_id":5350,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5351,"start_s":5352,"end_s":5353,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},818,"68452","So, you start to create requests for impeachment of STF ministers for the simple 'crime of interpretation', because of single-judge decisions that were later ratified by the plenary and that certain sectors disagree with.",4740.78,4753.92,{"idx":5355,"utterance_id":5356,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5357,"start_s":5358,"end_s":5359,"word_count":11,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5170,"target_proposition":5171,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5360,"indexable":220},819,"68453","Now, if there are serious suspicions and allegations of abuse of power, whatever it may be, an impeachment process is opened.",4754.02,4761.86,"Says that in cases of serious suspicions impeachment should be initiated.",{"idx":5362,"utterance_id":5363,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5364,"start_s":5365,"end_s":5366,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},820,"68454","Now... You touched on the second point.",4762.28,4765.08,{"idx":5368,"utterance_id":5369,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5370,"start_s":5371,"end_s":5372,"word_count":156,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5373,"target_proposition":5374,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5375,"indexable":220},821,"68455","I not only am in favor of limiting the term, the length of stay of a minister within the STF, but I have already voted in favor of that.",4765.44,4774.08,"c355d500-30c2-49bc-9ad4-585742302582","establish limited terms for STF ministers (for example 10-12 years)","States support for limiting how long ministers remain in office.",{"idx":5377,"utterance_id":5378,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5379,"start_s":5380,"end_s":5381,"word_count":439,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5373,"target_proposition":5374,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":5382,"indexable":220},822,"68456","When I was in the Senate, in the CCJ, we approved a bill that didn't move forward, limiting life tenure, which is another matter — I cannot be convicted, I cannot be removed by a president's decision; I'm not going to fire a minister, but by a fixed term, which could be 10 years, 12 years, which is a good time of maturity, including with an age limit.",4774.12,4798.16,"Reports having voted in the CCJ in favor of a bill limiting life tenure.",{"idx":5384,"utterance_id":5385,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5386,"start_s":5387,"end_s":5388,"word_count":98,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5389,"target_proposition":5390,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5391,"indexable":220},823,"68457","I think we must move forward in terms of having ministers with more experience.",4798.48,4803.52,"a5a97d02-08e1-4937-87e3-28388f21bced","set minimum age and experience requirements for STF ministers","Proposes requiring minimum experience\u002Fage for appointing ministers.",{"idx":5393,"utterance_id":5394,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5395,"start_s":5396,"end_s":5397,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5398,"target_proposition":5399,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5400,"indexable":220},824,"68458","You can set a minimum entry age, which could be 55 years, could be 50 years, with a maximum tenure of 12 years, among other things.",4803.58,4813.02,"e3124d30-0bca-4e34-872f-10a921232454","Establish term limits for STF ministers (e.g., 10–12 years) and age limits","Suggests concrete limits (minimum entry and maximum tenure).",{"idx":5402,"utterance_id":5403,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5404,"start_s":5405,"end_s":5406,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},825,"68459","The Code of Conduct is an internal, in-house project of the STF.",4813.58,4817.66,{"idx":5408,"utterance_id":5409,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5410,"start_s":5411,"end_s":5412,"word_count":86,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5413,"target_proposition":5414,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":238,"rationale":5415,"indexable":220},826,"68460","Its content... I leave it to the STF itself; it would be an interference at this moment, but I think a code of conduct to give an explanation to society is important, to give legitimacy.",4818.16,4829.14,"8d0468f7-ec80-4f1b-aba1-335343e5abfa","establish a code of conduct for STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) ministers","Advocates a code of conduct to provide accountability and legitimacy to society.",{"idx":5417,"utterance_id":5418,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5419,"start_s":5420,"end_s":5421,"word_count":289,"topic_slug":5331,"topic_label":5332,"target_id":5422,"target_proposition":5423,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5424,"indexable":220},827,"68461","A weakened STF is not good for Brazil; it's not good... For anyone, for democracy, for our lives, for stability, even for the Brazilian currency, for inflation and for the exchange rate, a weakened STF is not good for anyone.",4829.96,4842.48,"61eef6ff-3fe2-476d-a61b-b08403a06476","preserve institutions' independence and strengthen confidence in them","States that a weakened STF is not good for democracy and stability.",{"idx":5426,"utterance_id":5427,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5428,"start_s":5429,"end_s":5430,"word_count":313,"indexable":12},828,"68462","So, I think the STF needs, in this DR, in this discussion about its relationship with society, to make a gesture to society, to acknowledge that at a certain moment it may have overstepped and erred—it's part of the process—and to self-restrain, but I think that this alone is not enough anymore.",4842.94,4860.18,{"idx":5432,"utterance_id":5433,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5434,"start_s":5435,"end_s":5436,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":3567,"topic_label":3568,"target_id":5437,"target_proposition":5438,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5439,"indexable":220},829,"68463","I think, moreover, the National Congress must rework the mandate.",4860.84,4865.94,"a72ad06c-2e86-4692-a63c-5fcca0ba6b31","reform rules on terms and appointments by Congress","Believes the National Congress should overhaul rules on terms in office.",{"idx":5441,"utterance_id":5442,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5443,"start_s":5444,"end_s":5445,"word_count":191,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5446,"target_proposition":5447,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5448,"indexable":220},830,"68464","I am against that; I think it would be a step backwards for the Senate to be responsible, the amendment would be worse than the Soneto, especially with this Senate, with this Congress that's there.",4866.34,4875.48,"efd80190-a095-4f5c-b0d0-706ac7c28735","nominate ministers with a legalist profile to the STF","Says they are against the Senate appointing ministers, calling it a step backward.",{"idx":5450,"utterance_id":5451,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5452,"start_s":5453,"end_s":5454,"word_count":110,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5446,"target_proposition":5447,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":228,"rationale":5455,"indexable":220},831,"68465","If the Senate appoints, it will appoint people from the Centrão; it will appoint people who are often absolutely unqualified.",4875.94,4883.16,"Claims the Senate would appoint Centrão people, who are unqualified.",{"idx":5457,"utterance_id":5458,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5459,"start_s":5460,"end_s":5461,"word_count":415,"topic_slug":5168,"topic_label":5169,"target_id":5446,"target_proposition":5447,"stance":772,"stance_confidence":218,"rationale":5462,"indexable":220},832,"68466","I think it must remain that way; whoever is the next president of the Republic, the one who has to appoint an STF minister is the head of the Executive Branch. You can even think of alternatives, like a list, but I think there's no way out, believe me, also because it shows the National Congress is very poorly rated by the Brazilian population and it's no wonder.",4884.14,4903.6,"Argues that appointments should be made by the head of the Executive, not the Senate.",{"idx":5464,"utterance_id":5465,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5466,"start_s":5467,"end_s":5468,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},833,"68467","because of the excesses they commit.",4904.74,4906.1,{"idx":5470,"utterance_id":5471,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5472,"start_s":5473,"end_s":5474,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},834,"68468","You gave the example of that show, that Festa Junina of parliamentary amendments.",4906.6,4911.26,{"idx":5476,"utterance_id":5477,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5478,"start_s":5479,"end_s":5480,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":5331,"topic_label":5332,"target_id":5481,"target_proposition":5482,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5483,"indexable":220},835,"68469","So, I believe we are entering, we must enter, a phase of restraining the powers.",4911.82,4918.2,"c4bc4a76-7ebd-430e-90c7-49ab92e1a461","promote self-restraint among the three branches of government","Affirms there must be mutual restraint among the three branches.",{"idx":5485,"utterance_id":5486,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5487,"start_s":5488,"end_s":5489,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},836,"68470","And I don't just like throwing stones at a power in which I never participated.",4918.74,4922.16,{"idx":955,"utterance_id":5491,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5492,"start_s":5493,"end_s":5494,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},"68471","I have served in the executive and I have served in the legislature.",4922.22,4924.26,{"idx":5496,"utterance_id":5497,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5498,"start_s":5499,"end_s":5500,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5331,"topic_label":5332,"target_id":5481,"target_proposition":5482,"stance":217,"stance_confidence":2792,"rationale":5501,"indexable":220},838,"68472","I think self-restraint must come from the three branches.",4924.64,4927.46,"Reiterates that self-restraint must come from the three branches of government.",{"idx":5503,"utterance_id":5504,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5505,"start_s":5506,"end_s":5507,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},839,"68473","Brazilian society doesn't criminalize politics for no reason.",4927.98,4930.58,{"idx":5509,"utterance_id":5510,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5511,"start_s":5512,"end_s":5513,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},840,"68474","The only thing I ask, earnestly, okay?",4931.24,4934.94,{"idx":5515,"utterance_id":5516,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5517,"start_s":5518,"end_s":5519,"word_count":41,"indexable":12},841,"68475","Let's separate the wheat from the chaff and separate politics from politicians.",4934.98,4939.14,{"idx":5521,"utterance_id":5522,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5523,"start_s":5524,"end_s":5525,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},842,"68476","Without politics there is no life in society.",4939.74,4942.02,{"idx":5527,"utterance_id":5528,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5529,"start_s":5530,"end_s":5531,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},843,"68477","Without politics it's scorched earth, rule of barbarism, violence, misery, unemployment; the productive sector stalls; everyone loses.",4942.1,4950.36,{"idx":5533,"utterance_id":5534,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5535,"start_s":5536,"end_s":5537,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},844,"68478","Now, good politics depends on the choices we make.",4951.28,4954.16,{"idx":5539,"utterance_id":5540,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5541,"start_s":5542,"end_s":5543,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},845,"68479","So, we have good and bad politicians.",4954.44,4956.48,{"idx":5545,"utterance_id":5546,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5547,"start_s":5548,"end_s":5549,"word_count":150,"indexable":12},846,"68480","So, let's... Throw stones at the bad politicians, we will exalt politics, because without politics, you practice politics, as journalists that you are.",4956.52,4964.6,{"idx":5551,"utterance_id":5552,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5553,"start_s":5554,"end_s":5555,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},847,"68481","So, I think this needs to be very well put.",4965.5,4967.56,{"idx":5557,"utterance_id":5558,"speaker_name":8,"text":5559,"start_s":5560,"end_s":5561,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},848,"68482","And without amendment, you see, Minister?",4967.62,4969.24,{"idx":5563,"utterance_id":5564,"speaker_name":8,"text":5565,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5567,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},849,"68483","We do politics without amendments.",4969.64,4971.4,{"idx":5569,"utterance_id":5570,"speaker_name":8,"text":5571,"start_s":5572,"end_s":5573,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},850,"68484","Last round here in eight minutes.",4971.98,4974.6,{"idx":5575,"utterance_id":5576,"speaker_name":8,"text":5577,"start_s":5578,"end_s":5579,"word_count":55,"indexable":12},851,"68485","I will demand from Jofa's board.",4974.64,4976.08,{"idx":5581,"utterance_id":5582,"speaker_name":8,"text":5583,"start_s":5584,"end_s":5585,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},852,"68486","At least for now.",4976.12,4978.82,{"idx":5587,"utterance_id":5588,"speaker_name":8,"text":5589,"start_s":5590,"end_s":5591,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},853,"68487","Scale six-for-one, okay?",4978.86,4979.7,{"idx":5593,"utterance_id":5594,"speaker_name":8,"text":1353,"start_s":5595,"end_s":5596,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},854,"68488",4979.74,4981.02,{"idx":5598,"utterance_id":5599,"speaker_name":8,"text":5600,"start_s":5601,"end_s":5602,"word_count":241,"indexable":12},855,"68489","Minister, I am anxious to... The ministers are telling me there are few minutes left, but I am very anxious to know, because... I am an anxious woman, and at this moment even more so, due to femicide.",4981.06,4992.86,{"idx":5604,"utterance_id":5605,"speaker_name":8,"text":5606,"start_s":5607,"end_s":5608,"word_count":19,"topic_slug":5609,"topic_label":5610,"target_id":5611,"target_proposition":5612,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5613,"indexable":220},856,"68490","Four women are killed per day in Brazil.",4993.46,4995.96,"violencia-contra-a-mulher-e-protecao-as-mulheres","Violence Against Women and Protection","e64493f0-fccf-4995-b4b1-83cf32100776","reduce cases of femicide","Presents statistic: four women killed per day in Brazil.",{"idx":5615,"utterance_id":5616,"speaker_name":8,"text":5617,"start_s":5618,"end_s":5619,"word_count":72,"topic_slug":5609,"topic_label":5610,"target_id":5611,"target_proposition":5612,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5620,"indexable":220},857,"68491","A 7.5% increase in the number of murders by femicide compared to the quarter of last year.",4996.32,5003.1,"Reports a 7.5% increase in femicide murders.",{"idx":5622,"utterance_id":5623,"speaker_name":8,"text":5624,"start_s":5625,"end_s":5626,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":5609,"topic_label":5610,"target_id":5611,"target_proposition":5612,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5627,"indexable":12},858,"68492","Nothing is having any effect, Minister.",5003.74,5005.78,"States that current measures are not having an effect.",{"idx":5629,"utterance_id":5630,"speaker_name":8,"text":5631,"start_s":5632,"end_s":5633,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},859,"68493","Nothing, nothing.",5006.14,5007.26,{"idx":5635,"utterance_id":5636,"speaker_name":8,"text":5637,"start_s":5638,"end_s":5639,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":5609,"topic_label":5610,"target_id":5611,"target_proposition":5612,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1175,"rationale":5640,"indexable":12},860,"68494","Neither the policies nor the speeches that Lula is giving.",5007.46,5010.9,"States that the government's policies and rhetoric are not being effective.",{"idx":5642,"utterance_id":5643,"speaker_name":8,"text":5644,"start_s":5645,"end_s":5646,"word_count":74,"topic_slug":5609,"topic_label":5610,"target_id":5611,"target_proposition":5612,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":341,"rationale":5647,"indexable":220},861,"68495","The message isn't landing, it isn't reaching the grassroots.",5011.14,5014.24,"Says that the discourse is not 'batendo' nor reaching the grassroots.",{"idx":5649,"utterance_id":5650,"speaker_name":8,"text":5651,"start_s":5652,"end_s":5653,"word_count":49,"indexable":12},862,"68496","What do we need to do?",5014.92,5018.08,{"idx":5655,"utterance_id":5656,"speaker_name":8,"text":5657,"start_s":5658,"end_s":5659,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},863,"68497","What are you going to do, as an elected senator?",5018.18,5021.8,{"idx":5661,"utterance_id":5662,"speaker_name":8,"text":5663,"start_s":5664,"end_s":5665,"word_count":43,"indexable":12},864,"68498","What can be done?",5021.84,5022.9,{"idx":5667,"utterance_id":5668,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5669,"start_s":5670,"end_s":5671,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},865,"68499","Look, there's a phrase from Martin Luther King that I think is remarkable.",5024.46,5028.64,{"idx":5673,"utterance_id":5674,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5675,"start_s":5676,"end_s":5677,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},866,"68500","There he was fighting against apartheid, in a racial struggle where an American would be killed simply for being black.",5028.86,5037.16,{"idx":5679,"utterance_id":5680,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5681,"start_s":5682,"end_s":5683,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},867,"68501","He said the following, and then the law came along making that a crime and so on.",5037.62,5041.1,{"idx":5685,"utterance_id":5686,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5687,"start_s":5688,"end_s":5689,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},868,"68502","He said, the law can do a lot, but it can't do everything.",5041.14,5043.26,{"idx":5691,"utterance_id":5692,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5693,"start_s":5694,"end_s":5695,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},869,"68503","The law doesn't touch people's hearts; it's not able to stop someone — it can stop someone, put someone in jail, but it can't stop someone from holding prejudice.",5043.9,5056.88,{"idx":5697,"utterance_id":5698,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5699,"start_s":5700,"end_s":5701,"word_count":30,"indexable":12},870,"68504","In another era.",5057.8,5058.64,{"idx":5703,"utterance_id":5704,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5705,"start_s":5706,"end_s":5707,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},871,"68505","Today, bringing this to Brazil, there's a way for us to greatly reduce this.",5058.84,5064.3,{"idx":5709,"utterance_id":5710,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5711,"start_s":5712,"end_s":5713,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},872,"68506","Not only femicide, but also violence against women, Verusca.",5064.44,5067.2,{"idx":5715,"utterance_id":5716,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5717,"start_s":5718,"end_s":5719,"word_count":104,"indexable":12},873,"68507","And the discourse isn't having an effect because we can't break through the bubble.",5068.74,5071.74,{"idx":5721,"utterance_id":5722,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5723,"start_s":5724,"end_s":5725,"word_count":433,"topic_slug":5609,"topic_label":5610,"target_id":5726,"target_proposition":5727,"stance":340,"stance_confidence":1008,"rationale":5728,"indexable":220},874,"68508","There is an absolute minority of Brazilian men and of men around the world who are adherents of the far right — and not everyone on the right thinks this way, quite the opposite; I'm talking about the far right — who believe a woman's place is in the home, that a woman is an object, that a woman is property, that a woman has no autonomy over her life.",5071.78,5090.18,"c8953b2e-d78d-4f98-965f-fd388b933a31","combat hate speech and polarization that incite violence against women","Attributes the rise in violence to hate speech and polarization.",{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5732,"start_s":5733,"end_s":5734,"word_count":67,"indexable":12},875,"68509","The Red Pills movement is not something trivial.",5090.84,5093.36,{"idx":5736,"utterance_id":5737,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5738,"start_s":5739,"end_s":5740,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},876,"68510","It managed to reach cowardly and weak men.",5095.42,5098.94,{"idx":5742,"utterance_id":5743,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5744,"start_s":5745,"end_s":5746,"word_count":74,"indexable":12},877,"68511","Which I would say make up what portion of the Brazilian population?",5099.32,5101.54,{"idx":5748,"utterance_id":5749,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5750,"start_s":5751,"end_s":5752,"word_count":14,"indexable":12},878,"68512","5%.",5101.56,5101.6,{"idx":5754,"utterance_id":5755,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5756,"start_s":5757,"end_s":5758,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},879,"68513","I want to say here that I advocate on behalf of men.",5103.58,5105.68,{"idx":5760,"utterance_id":5761,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5762,"start_s":5763,"end_s":5764,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},880,"68514","I have men in my household, I have brothers, I had a father, I have a husband, I have friends.",5105.9,5111.18,{"idx":5766,"utterance_id":5767,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5768,"start_s":5769,"end_s":5770,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},881,"68515","The majority of Brazilian men don't think that way.",5111.74,5114.06,{"idx":5772,"utterance_id":5773,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5774,"start_s":5775,"end_s":5776,"word_count":172,"indexable":12},882,"68516","But the minority makes so much noise, is so violent, kills, rapes, constantly beats women that... It takes the headlines and we end up with these absurd numbers.",5114.44,5123.68,{"idx":5778,"utterance_id":5779,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5780,"start_s":5781,"end_s":5782,"word_count":81,"indexable":12},883,"68517","The state of São Paulo is one of the most violent states.",5124.02,5126.24,{"idx":5784,"utterance_id":5785,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5786,"start_s":5787,"end_s":5788,"word_count":110,"indexable":12},884,"68518","In the state of São Paulo, one woman is killed per day simply for being a woman.",5126.76,5131.04,{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},885,"68519","And femicide has increased.",5131.14,5132.22,{"idx":5796,"utterance_id":5797,"speaker_name":23,"speaker_slug":24,"text":5798,"start_s":5799,"end_s":5800,"word_count":28,"indexable":12},886,"68520","And why did it 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