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Even in advanced countries like the United States, it represents a very small fraction of a university's total funding.",58.44,77.22,35,{"idx":144,"utterance_id":159,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":160,"start_s":161,"end_s":162,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},"83932","I saw a study reporting that in the United States, which has a strong privatizing bias, corporate funding accounts for only 6% of the funding of American universities.",77.74,93.08,29,{"idx":120,"utterance_id":165,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":166,"start_s":167,"end_s":168,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},"83933","Doesn't it seem like a contradiction to you to talk about autonomy at the same time you are trying to remove the commitment of public funds and replace them with financing that, at the very least, is very uncertain?",95.4,110.84,{"idx":170,"utterance_id":171,"speaker_name":100,"text":172,"start_s":173,"end_s":174,"word_count":175,"indexable":75},16,"83934","Indeed, American universities, 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we can... a new model that, who knows, might change things and spread to the rest of Brazil.",1093.56,1103.06,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":100,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":177,"indexable":75},150,"84068","We are still an institution, we will be 100 years old next year, a very conservative institution.",1103.1,1109.56,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":100,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":215,"indexable":75},151,"84069","I have had this much more progressive outlook since... it was in '98 or 2000 that I was studying the issue of students entering the health sciences or biomedical area and then choosing their course.",1110.06,1123.8,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":100,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":271,"indexable":75},152,"84070","Very much based on the Law of Guidelines and Bases, I read the report on sequential courses, but there is a large group of people who say this lightens the training, 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professional master's, three plus two?",1236,1245.82,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":100,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":183,"indexable":75},173,"84091","Our students, after five years, certainly have the level to defend a master's dissertation.",1246.32,1253.14,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":100,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},174,"84092","And we are really delaying.",1253.44,1256.1,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":100,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":341,"indexable":75},175,"84093","Their entry into the labor market, which is very important for a population that suffers very serious socioeconomic problems, we know that, and often they drop out because of that, because they need to pay the bills and cannot stay five years in higher 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issue.",1285.42,1288.44,{"idx":1138,"utterance_id":1139,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1140,"start_s":1141,"end_s":1142,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},180,"84098","I'd like your opinion.",1288.62,1289.64,{"idx":1144,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":144,"indexable":75},181,"84099","There is a controversy about the professional profile of graduates from our schools of education.",1290.98,1299.78,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":98,"indexable":75},182,"84100","There is always a debate.",1302.6,1303.7,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":115,"indexable":75},183,"84101","I followed and accompanied this until 2011.",1303.94,1306.6,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},184,"84102","Since then, I was mayor, I did other things.",1307.42,1310.5,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":194,"indexable":75},185,"84103","But there has always been a discussion about whether schools of education are training professionals to work in the classroom.",1311.62,1318.68,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":175,"indexable":75},186,"84104","That is, whether the education curriculum is adequate to the challenge of teaching, of promoting learning in Brazilian public schools.",1319.16,1329.68,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":98,"indexable":75},187,"84105","Are you following this debate?",1331.24,1332.94,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":316,"indexable":75},188,"84106","Do you have an idea of what the UFRJ Faculty of Education does today, how they receive this kind of criticism, whether it is fair, whether it has been fair — in short, what is your opinion about the university's commitment to basic education?",1333.04,1351.04,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":100,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":175,"indexable":75},189,"84107","Last year, UFRJ created a teacher training complex, which has an important leading role for the Faculty of Education.",1352.1,1359.1,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":100,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},"84108","And at the moment, the director of this complex has been talking a lot with me and we intend to expand the teacher training complex into the 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students.",1428.16,1430.82,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":100,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":183,"indexable":75},198,"84116","So, I imagine that the Faculty of Education and teacher training should follow the same path.",1431.12,1437.5,{"idx":1250,"utterance_id":1251,"speaker_name":100,"text":1252,"start_s":1253,"end_s":1254,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},199,"84117","Licentiate students should not do their licentiate in the last two years of a biology, physics, chemistry, or mathematics course.",1437.9,1445.94,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":100,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},200,"84118","They should go into the classroom as early as possible, because that is where they will learn.",1446,1451.22,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":100,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":194,"indexable":75},201,"84119","With a much stronger pedagogical command of how to teach that subject they are studying there, which is chemistry, physics, mathematics.",1451.84,1459.78,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":100,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":27,"indexable":75},202,"84120","So, I think the Faculty of Education is open at this moment, at least at UFRJ, to rediscuss this model of teacher training and we are with them wanting this to move forward.",1459.96,1470.56,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":100,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},203,"84121","Who knows, in this area too, the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro may be able to take a leading role and change teacher training.",1470.9,1480.32,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":100,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},204,"84122","It is very important to us that basic education improves in the 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funding.",1543.74,1546.94,{"idx":1352,"utterance_id":1353,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1354,"start_s":1355,"end_s":1356,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},216,"84134","In my time as minister, we launched a program with that intention, which was the Institutional Program of Scholarships for Initiation to Teaching.",1548.54,1556.76,{"idx":1358,"utterance_id":1359,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1360,"start_s":1361,"end_s":1362,"word_count":194,"indexable":75},217,"84135","A program modeled on the one in Science and Technology, which was PIBIC, Scientific Initiation, and we created Initiation to Teaching.",1557.84,1568.46,{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":1365,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1366,"start_s":1367,"end_s":1368,"word_count":139,"indexable":75},218,"84136","Still in 2011, 2012, this program reached almost 100,000 scholarship recipients.",1570.24,1574.48,{"idx":1370,"utterance_id":1371,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1372,"start_s":1373,"end_s":1374,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},219,"84137","It still exists at UFRJ; it is also being subject to budget contingencies.",1575.2,1578.92,{"idx":1376,"utterance_id":1377,"speaker_name":100,"text":1378,"start_s":1379,"end_s":1380,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},220,"84138","Both programs suffered many cuts.",1580.9,1583.76,{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":100,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":139,"indexable":75},221,"84139","PIBID was the first to suffer and now PIBIC.",1583.84,1587.02,{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":100,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},222,"84140","So there were scholarship cuts.",1587.2,1590.3,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":100,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":255,"indexable":75},223,"84141","In fact, PIBID is a brilliant program because it brings into the field of teaching what happens in scientific initiation from the beginning of postgraduate research in the country.",1590.88,1604.72,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":100,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":249,"indexable":75},224,"84142","So, our postgraduate data... The scientific training of our students is what it is. Our students do very well around the world because of scientific initiation.",1605.14,1617.08,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":100,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":144,"indexable":75},225,"84143","So, seeing this program discontinued or underfunded is very sad for national science.",1617.32,1623.76,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":100,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":177,"indexable":75},226,"84144","There is no scientific initiation program in any other country in the world, except in Brazil.",1624.34,1628.48,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":100,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":183,"indexable":75},227,"84145","And all the researchers from other countries with whom I interact, as a scientist, praise my students.",1629.32,1636.5,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":100,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":120,"indexable":75},228,"84146","And I say... These students are like that because we have a scientific initiation program.",1636.54,1641.3,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":100,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":194,"indexable":75},"84147","So, we are an example for everyone in scientific initiation and I thought we would also be an example in initiation to teaching.",1641.56,1649.5,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":100,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},230,"84148","And I hope this returns, because it is at the undergraduate level that we can certainly better identify talents and vocations.",1649.8,1658.6,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":100,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":27,"indexable":75},231,"84149","And the talent for teaching can be identified through a program of initiation to teaching, just as the talent for scientific activity, that vocation is identified by scientific initiation programs.",1659.08,1676.36,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":100,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":175,"indexable":75},232,"84150","If I had not been a scientific initiation student, I might today be a doctor in private practice and not a Brazilian scientist.",1676.78,1685.66,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},233,"84151","What do you attribute this kind of attack to — so... petty, because we are talking about an extraordinary wealth, an extraordinary asset.",1686.6,1697.58,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},234,"84152","After all, something that should make every Brazilian proud.",1698.78,1702.96,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":183,"indexable":75},235,"84153","What do you attribute this contemporary trait that is so aggressive toward those who produce knowledge to?",1704.08,1713.44,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":100,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},236,"84154","I was asked about that a lot.",1713.94,1716.04,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":100,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":144,"indexable":75},237,"84155","UFRJ has about 80,000 people; it's a medium-sized city.",1717.36,1721.92,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":100,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":177,"indexable":75},238,"84156","I was elected in the first round and I was asked a lot— is it true that the university is only full of leftists?",1723.06,1728.48,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":100,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":271,"indexable":75},239,"84157","I was elected in the first round, and then they immediately cast me to the left; now it's like, I'm right-wing, I'm left-wing, centrist — I don't even look at the comments; they've forgotten that there's a wide spectrum.",1728.94,1741.4,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":100,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},240,"84158","It's very interesting, because I entered at 17.",1743.52,1746.3,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":100,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},241,"84159","I had just turned 17.",1747.38,1749.38,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":100,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":177,"indexable":75},242,"84160","On my first entrance exam I was lucky enough to get into the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.",1749.68,1754.2,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":100,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":144,"indexable":75},243,"84161","I like to say that UFRJ is in my DNA since I was 17.",1754.62,1759.38,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":100,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},"84162","I'm 54 years old; I did my undergraduate, master's and doctorate there.",1759.94,1764.48,{"idx":1524,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":100,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":249,"indexable":75},245,"84163","When I went abroad for postdoctoral work — I did two postdocs abroad — I took UFRJ's DNA with me; I breathed UFRJ abroad, and it's a huge source of pride.",1765.16,1776.58,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":100,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},246,"84164","I went to Paris for the first postdoc, to the Hôpital de Bicêtre, and then I went to Naples, Italy, to the University Federico II.",1777.3,1787.2,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":100,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":122,"indexable":75},247,"84165","So I have two postdoctoral fellowships in my field.",1788.02,1790.66,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":100,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":89,"indexable":75},248,"84166","I am a product of the Brazilian university system.",1793.06,1795.1,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":100,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":183,"indexable":75},249,"84167","To this day I interact with researchers from those countries and the United States, and more recently with researchers from Australia.",1795.94,1804.68,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":100,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":115,"indexable":75},250,"84168","You see... 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