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And you know, Band, always a pioneer, continues to carry out extensive coverage across its news programming to give voters the opportunity to get to know the ideas and projects of the candidates, in this case here today on our program, the Presidency of the Republic discussing Brazil's future.",81.4,162.94,65,{"idx":256,"utterance_id":257,"speaker_name":175,"text":258,"start_s":259,"end_s":260,"word_count":261,"indexable":179},13,"97551","That's why this is a special open-channel election program this Sunday, and we've invited two more contenders for the Palácio do Brasil.",163.32,172.04,27,{"idx":263,"utterance_id":264,"speaker_name":175,"text":265,"start_s":266,"end_s":267,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},14,"97552","With us is the former federal deputy and former minister running for Democracia Cristã, Aldo Rebelo.",172.18,178.48,17,{"idx":243,"utterance_id":270,"speaker_name":175,"text":271,"start_s":272,"end_s":273,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},"97553","Thank you, Aldo, for 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bloqueios'.",{"idx":421,"utterance_id":422,"speaker_name":175,"text":423,"start_s":424,"end_s":425,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":428,"target_proposition":429,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":431,"indexable":405},39,"97577","You have to create a single licensing authority in the country and replace this series of institutions that can bring the country to a halt.",300.56,308.56,"politica-ambiental","Environmental Policy","19c5b768-1675-49b7-847b-4475d84a7675","create a single environmental licensing authority",0.92,"Textually proposes to 'criar uma autoridade única de licenciamento'.",{"idx":433,"utterance_id":434,"speaker_name":175,"text":435,"start_s":436,"end_s":437,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},40,"97578","You have to take away from 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'tirar da FUNAI o poder de demarcar a terra indígena'.",{"idx":296,"utterance_id":459,"speaker_name":175,"text":460,"start_s":461,"end_s":462,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":453,"topic_label":454,"target_id":455,"target_proposition":456,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":463,"indexable":179},"97581","They can continue to produce their opinions.",316.38,319.98,"Authorizes 'pareceres' from FUNAI, but distinguishes between decision and opinion.",{"idx":199,"utterance_id":465,"speaker_name":175,"text":466,"start_s":467,"end_s":468,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":428,"target_proposition":429,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":470,"indexable":405},"97582","Now, another authority will have to make that decision because these corporations have not shown the balance to make those decisions.",320.1,329.48,0.88,"Advocates transferring decision to 'outra autoridade' instead of 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everyone.",346.72,353.68,{"idx":490,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":175,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":495,"target_proposition":496,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":497,"rationale":498,"indexable":405},48,"97586","And Brazil, if unblocked, will indeed have a great possibility of tackling the interest-rate problem, of creating a fund",354.58,362.16,"7c040440-09f0-4671-8aee-c0a97d44e384","create a sovereign fund for rare earths and strategic minerals",0.86,"Explicitly proposes to 'criar um fundo soberano' for rare earths.",{"idx":500,"utterance_id":501,"speaker_name":175,"text":502,"start_s":503,"end_s":504,"word_count":352,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":505,"target_proposition":506,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":508,"indexable":405},49,"97587","a sovereign fund of rare earths and strategic minerals, of creating bonds backed by rare earths and strategic ores, of beginning to reverse the debt-to-GDP curve and interest rates themselves.",362.74,376.22,"8c10ce6f-c3ac-4867-a3e5-69c95dc628a1","issue bonds backed by rare earths and strategic minerals",0.85,"Proposes 'criar títulos lastreados em terras raras e minérios'.",{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":175,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":363,"topic_label":364,"target_id":365,"target_proposition":366,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":515,"indexable":405},50,"97588","So Brazil has a path forward; we just need to unblock Brazil.",376.62,379.94,"Summarizes the thesis 'basta desinterditar o Brasil', advocating removal of obstacles.",{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":175,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},51,"97589","Before",379.98,380.16,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":175,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":523,"indexable":179},52,"97590","Mitri and Thaís, Ana, let me also ask a question: it's your first time here, Aldo has already been on other programs with us — I wanted you to say who Renan Santos is, to introduce yourself as well for the audience who doesn't yet know you.",380.22,391.84,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":175,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},53,"97591","But also, in a way, which two or three priority proposals would you put on the table?",392.5,398.5,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},54,"97592","Well, indeed, this is my first time here.",399.22,401.6,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},55,"97593","I want to thank Band, thank the whole team present, thank Aldo.",401.8,404.64,{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":170,"indexable":179},56,"97594","Well, my name is Hernan Santos, I'm 42 years old, I was born in São Paulo, I'm from a middle-class family, I'm one of the founders of the Movimento Brasil Livre, I participated in the demonstrations that resulted in the ouster of Dilma Rousseff.",405.22,414.74,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":395,"indexable":179},57,"97595","At the time, I fought in favor of supporting Operation Lava Jato, which later proved, let's say, to be a useful operation in the fight against corruption, but which was subsequently dismantled by Mr. Jair Bolsonaro, his family and the STF.",415.8,428.06,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":433,"indexable":179},58,"97596","Based on the struggle we had not only against corruption, but the struggle for a freer Brazil, a Brazil in which... working and producing, and walking the streets free from organized crime should be a premise.",429.42,440.04,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},59,"97597","I understood that we should not be just a movement, but also a political party.",441.06,444.42,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},60,"97598","On that basis, we founded the Partido Missão, the newest and youngest party, founded now at the end of last year.",444.48,448.88,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},61,"97599","And what do we stand 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also why our party's name is Missão, is to, in 30 years, put Brazil at the table with China, Russia, the United States and India, determining what is important in the world.",464.76,472.86,{"idx":606,"utterance_id":607,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":608,"start_s":609,"end_s":610,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},66,"97604","We have territory, we have population, we have resources, and what we lack in practice is imagination.",472.98,478.62,{"idx":612,"utterance_id":613,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":614,"start_s":615,"end_s":616,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},67,"97605","And then the proposals.",478.96,479.62,{"idx":618,"utterance_id":619,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":620,"start_s":621,"end_s":622,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":623,"target_proposition":624,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":626,"indexable":405},68,"97606","Within that imagination, return Brazilians' territory, remove organized crime from the areas it currently occupies.",479.66,484.7,"cb2578d3-45fb-438b-b707-1374991f9297","occupy and ensure territorial control against organized crime",0.95,"Explicitly proposes to 'retirar o crime organizado' from the territory.",{"idx":628,"utterance_id":629,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":630,"start_s":631,"end_s":632,"word_count":383,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":633,"target_proposition":634,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":635,"indexable":405},69,"97607","Undertake a fiscal reform accompanied by a competitiveness reform to allow companies to establish themselves in Brazil and for Brazilians to have the possibility of earning money and creating jobs freely.",485.18,494.78,"f4cfede6-0aab-4b65-87bb-b066927b9ff0","carry out unpopular fiscal reforms to generate resources and invest in infrastructure","Directly advocates 'reforma fiscal acompanhada de reforma de competitividade'.",{"idx":637,"utterance_id":638,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":639,"start_s":640,"end_s":641,"word_count":448,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":642,"target_proposition":643,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":644,"indexable":405},70,"97608","Carry out a reform I call the managerial responsibility law that makes mayors, in fact, supporters of public policies that work and not mere administrators of earmarks, as happens throughout Brazil and which keeps entire regions of Brazil in that condition.",495.56,507.24,"87d8ac97-bc41-4aa8-bd10-273f59ef6b34","create the managerial responsibility law","Proposes a 'lei de responsabilidade gerencial' to change municipal management.",{"idx":646,"utterance_id":647,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":648,"start_s":649,"end_s":650,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},71,"97609","I visited Maranhão to see that.",507.32,509,{"idx":652,"utterance_id":653,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":654,"start_s":655,"end_s":656,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},72,"97610","Like a place that treats its people like animals, administers earmarks only to divert funds, keeping a very low HDI.",509.18,516.08,{"idx":658,"utterance_id":659,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":660,"start_s":661,"end_s":662,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},73,"97611","So these challenges, the three I listed, are the challenges that our mandate, if it happens, will change Brazil's destiny.",516.12,522.62,{"idx":664,"utterance_id":665,"speaker_name":175,"text":666,"start_s":667,"end_s":668,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},74,"97612","We can put forward a specific, concrete and very serious issue, which is the fiscal question.",523.04,530.4,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":175,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},75,"97613","The question I ask both of you is exactly this: what steps can be taken... aiming at fiscal discipline that would allow interest rates to begin to fall.",531.1,540.86,{"idx":676,"utterance_id":677,"speaker_name":175,"text":678,"start_s":679,"end_s":680,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},76,"97614","Because Brazil lives this drama, companies live it too, consumers are in debt.",541.24,546.26,{"idx":682,"utterance_id":683,"speaker_name":175,"text":684,"start_s":685,"end_s":686,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},77,"97615","Why?",546.68,546.98,{"idx":688,"utterance_id":689,"speaker_name":175,"text":690,"start_s":691,"end_s":692,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},78,"97616","There is the interest rate, and behind the interest rate there is the fiscal issue.",547.54,549.9,{"idx":694,"utterance_id":695,"speaker_name":175,"text":696,"start_s":697,"end_s":698,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},79,"97617","What concrete positions do you have to address this objectively?",550.48,556.36,{"idx":700,"utterance_id":701,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":702,"start_s":703,"end_s":704,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},80,"97618","Would you like me to start?",557.16,557.98,{"idx":706,"utterance_id":707,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":708,"start_s":709,"end_s":710,"word_count":275,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":711,"target_proposition":712,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":713,"indexable":405},81,"97619","I think we have to start with a fiscal reform on the expenditure side.",558.02,561.56,"0e4ffbf1-acc6-4b53-8d69-214032e2d5be","promote significant cuts in public spending and redirect savings into productive investment","Explicitly says 'temos que começar com uma reforma fiscal na área da 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descriptive fact.",{"idx":745,"utterance_id":746,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":747,"start_s":748,"end_s":749,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":711,"target_proposition":712,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":751,"indexable":405},86,"97624","It addresses issues involving the pension reform and certain privileges that exist within the Brazilian pension system.",593.54,599.1,0.8,"Says the reform 'endereça' Social Security and privileges, defending it.",{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":711,"target_proposition":712,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":758,"indexable":179},87,"97625","And if it passes, there is an expectation that in 10 years you would have savings on the order of 3.3 trillion.",599.82,604.94,"Presents an estimate of savings if the reform is approved.",{"idx":760,"utterance_id":761,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":762,"start_s":763,"end_s":764,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},88,"97626","Of course, every reform has some kind of mitigation.",605.5,608.76,{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":738,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":711,"target_proposition":712,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":771,"indexable":405},89,"97627","But if we talk about 3.3 trillion, we're talking about control of that runaway debt curve we have, and then we start talking about a reduction in the SELIC rate, greater discretionary space for investment by the Presidency of the Republic, which today basically has no space to invest or spend, and then yes we start talking about interest rates that allow the entrepreneur and the citizen to, on the one hand, invest more in production and, on the other, consume more.",609.48,631.6,"Links the 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20%.",660.24,667.46,{"idx":821,"utterance_id":822,"speaker_name":175,"text":823,"start_s":824,"end_s":825,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},98,"97636","And with an investment-to-GDP ratio of 16%.",668.24,674.26,{"idx":827,"utterance_id":828,"speaker_name":175,"text":829,"start_s":830,"end_s":831,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},99,"97637","You look at China: it's 3% interest and a 40% investment rate.",674.42,678.84,{"idx":833,"utterance_id":834,"speaker_name":175,"text":835,"start_s":836,"end_s":837,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":838,"target_proposition":839,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":840,"indexable":405},100,"97638","I believe Brazil can reduce spending and it is necessary to reduce it.",679.8,683.7,"ebaf279f-2ae3-4cc9-9d95-81d3d07b6c09","reduce public spending","Explicitly declares 'é preciso reduzir' public spending.",{"idx":842,"utterance_id":843,"speaker_name":175,"text":844,"start_s":845,"end_s":846,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},101,"97639","It's not easy, because the STF has just said that the ceiling... of the judiciary is 76 or 78 thousand reais, with the anticipation of quinquennial increments and other benefits for the judiciary.",684.7,699.78,{"idx":848,"utterance_id":849,"speaker_name":175,"text":850,"start_s":851,"end_s":852,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":853,"target_proposition":854,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":855,"indexable":405},102,"97640","So, I believe, unlike what Renan thinks, that the first step is to make the adjustment through revenue.",700.58,708,"ebaea3ea-b774-45e1-b0d8-0dceb8ed215d","increase public revenues without raising taxes and reduce expenditures","Explicitly advocates 'o primeiro passo é fazer o ajuste pela 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do Rio Doce has 70 billion reais authorized for investment, waiting for licensing.",723.18,729.74,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":175,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},106,"97644","Other private companies have 300 billion waiting for licensing.",730.16,733.92,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":175,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},107,"97645","Of course, if you remove those obstacles, you'll have a surge of private investment that could make the country start growing again.",734.46,741.26,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":175,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},108,"97646","And then the State can have resources.",741.74,743.4,{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":175,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":358,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":838,"target_proposition":839,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":901,"indexable":405},109,"97647","So you have to combine spending cuts, where that is possible and necessary, with a fiscal adjustment through revenue, which is what Brazil practically abandoned.",743.48,756,"Proposes combining spending cuts with other adjustment measures.",{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":175,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},110,"97648","I'd like to ask a political question to the two pre-candidates here, about growth strategy.",756.4,762.06,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":175,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},111,"97649","Today, according to the polls, we have two candidates who dominate the voting 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start?",785.8,788.04,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":175,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":448,"indexable":179},116,"97654","Answering, sir, your political career was linked to the left and to PC do B. At what point did you become disenchanted with the left and how will you position yourself today to try to improve your voting intention?",788.1,802.34,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":175,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},117,"97655","Do you think you can win over people who, like you, became disenchanted with the left?",802.38,807.46,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":175,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},118,"97656","Do you think you have inroads with the right?",807.74,809.36,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":175,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},119,"97657","I wanted to get that reading.",809.4,810.5,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":175,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},120,"97658","I believe, Thais, that artificially dividing the country between left and right does not explain Brazil.",811.68,819.1,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":175,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},121,"97659","You have to have an agenda for the country.",819.4,821.92,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":175,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":352,"indexable":179},122,"97660","And the agenda for the country is not a left-wing or right-wing agenda; it is an agenda that leads the country to development, to growth, to the removal of these obstacles.",822.08,831.56,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":175,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},123,"97661","Moreover, the country is, in a way, exhausted.",832.08,836.18,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":175,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":205,"indexable":179},124,"97662","by the ideological dispute, which explains nothing for Brazil, it only benefits the groups who think they can survive from that kind of dispute.",836.74,847.52,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":175,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},125,"97663","So what I have is an agenda for Brazil.",847.68,850,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":175,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},126,"97664","This agenda interests investors, businesspeople, it interests the middle class, it interests workers, because development matters to everyone.",850.44,860.92,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":175,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},127,"97665","Brazil, actually... it has problems that unite the country.",861.6,866.46,{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":175,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},128,"97666","Public security affects everyone, the current price of gasoline because of the war affects everyone, in the supermarket it affects everyone.",866.54,875.26,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":175,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},129,"97667","Why can't the solution also affect everyone and reach everyone?",875.88,879.28,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":175,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},130,"97668","I think the solution starts with opening the country to investment, to the resumption of growth.",879.76,887.2,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":175,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},131,"97669","And creating in the country a breath of hope, because hope is a mobilizing, disciplining force that Brazil is losing.",887.84,897.84,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":175,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},132,"97670","So I'm not going to direct my campaign to resolve that dilemma of being left or right.",898.18,905.68,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":175,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},133,"97671","I'm going to direct my campaign along a path that can unite Brazil around the solutions that restore hope.",905.88,915.4,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":175,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},134,"97672","and the growth of our country.",915.78,917.28,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":175,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},135,"97673","And you, Hernando?",918.02,919.46,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":352,"indexable":179},136,"97674","I'll start answering your question: I will not, and we are not doing this, start from the premise that I need to be stuck trying to win voters from the Bolsonaro family.",919.8,928.74,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},137,"97675","I leave that strategy to Zema, I leave it to Caiado, who are publicly showing that they like Bolsonaro a lot.",929.18,934.04,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":1071,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1072,"start_s":1073,"end_s":1074,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},"97676","Caiado even said that the first thing he will do with the president is to benefit the Bolsonaros.",934.44,938.56,{"idx":1076,"utterance_id":1077,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1078,"start_s":1079,"end_s":1080,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},139,"97677","And, basically, part of their campaign...",938.92,940.74,{"idx":1082,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":175,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},140,"97678","Are you saying amnesty?",940.78,941.62,{"idx":1088,"utterance_id":1089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1090,"start_s":1091,"end_s":1092,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},141,"97679","Amnesty, no.",941.96,942.46,{"idx":1094,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":1099,"topic_label":1100,"target_id":1101,"target_proposition":1102,"stance":1103,"stance_confidence":1104,"rationale":1105,"indexable":179},142,"97680","The first thing I'm going to do with the president is amnesty.",942.5,943.8,"politica-de-justica","Justice Policy","47bae203-200c-4c17-b0cc-2dc01182a898","grant broad amnesty to participants of the January 8 events","ambiguo",0.3,"Mentions 'anistia' but later criticizes 'crime é crime', creating ambiguity.",{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},143,"97681","Would you do that, if 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and bringing concrete solutions exactly to the heart of each person's electorate.",966.58,974.4,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":261,"indexable":179},152,"97690","I was as well received in Maranhão, which supposedly is a reservoir of lulismo, as I was in Santa Catarina now, which is a reservoir of bolsonarismo.",974.98,983.84,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},153,"97691","And I addressed local problems and grew in both places.",984.22,986.66,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},154,"97692","I was, according to Google Trends, the most searched person in Maranhão the week before last.",987.06,991.64,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},155,"97693","So, there is an answer we can give.",992.16,995.74,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},156,"97694","There is a fatigue with polarization and the polls reveal to us a recall.",996.14,999.2,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1190,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1191,"start_s":1192,"end_s":1193,"word_count":395,"indexable":179},"97695","That is, the top of mind, the name that comes to people's heads when they imagine elections, is still the Bolsonaro surname, now with Flávio, and the name Lula, with the current president of the republic.",999.76,1009.98,{"idx":1195,"utterance_id":1196,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1197,"start_s":1198,"end_s":1199,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},158,"97696","But the younger people who are already indifferent to that are looking for other alternatives.",1010.42,1014.16,{"idx":1201,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},159,"97697","When you look among younger people, I'm above 20%, according to the Atlas poll, and when you separate young men, I'm above 30%.",1015.32,1022.32,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},160,"97698","The party I founded, the Missão party, has 5.8%.",1022.54,1025,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},161,"97699","of preference among Brazilians, and when I pull among younger people, it reaches almost 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that?",1047.58,1049.72,{"idx":1237,"utterance_id":1238,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1239,"start_s":1240,"end_s":1241,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},165,"97703","Ah, the problem is Lula.",1049.96,1051.04,{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},166,"97704","No, the problem is Bolsonaro.",1051.46,1052.48,{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},167,"97705","So, when I was in Maranhão, riding on potholed roads and seeing people sharing food with vultures, as I saw in Pinheiro, land of Sarney, people were not there, you know?",1052.92,1061.34,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},168,"97706","Oh, that's Lula's fault, or Bolsonaro's.",1061.42,1062.56,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},169,"97707","People are thinking, how are you going to deal with the vulture next to my house?",1062.6,1065.24,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},170,"97708","And by addressing these issues, then yes, the question of communication comes in, and intelligently, we grow.",1065.74,1069.9,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},171,"97709","So my goal is to do that.",1070.34,1071.62,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},172,"97710","I'm going to get into the heart of the Bolsonarista and into the heart of the 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growing.",1084.98,1094.62,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":175,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},177,"97715","And now it has become a priority, sometimes together with the price of food there.",1095.02,1099.46,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":175,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},178,"97716","So it's an issue that can be decisive in this electoral campaign.",1099.86,1103.6,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":175,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},179,"97717","And catchphrases,",1103.68,1105.44,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":175,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},180,"97718","etc.,",1105.5,1105.64,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":175,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},181,"97719","like in previous campaigns, will no longer solve it.",1106.3,1109.48,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":175,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},182,"97720","The TV viewer, the voter, will want concrete solutions.",1109.64,1114.12,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":175,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":352,"indexable":179},183,"97721","First I would like to ask Renan the following: it is necessary to have an organized and integrated fight against organized crime, which is more than integrated, organized, etc.",1114.54,1126.82,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":175,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},"97722","The lawful forces are not, they are fragmented.",1128.26,1130.88,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":175,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},185,"97723","There is a project that did not unite the country, did not unite the political leaders and much less the governments.",1131.22,1139.3,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":175,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},186,"97724","And without this integration, this fight will not have positive results.",1139.92,1145.04,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":175,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":352,"indexable":179},187,"97725","And I would like to ask first Renan what plan he has to bring these forces together to actually fight organized crime, which is winning the war.",1145.6,1153.58,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1379,"target_proposition":1380,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1381,"indexable":179},188,"97726","Very well observed, they are winning the war and they are winning by WO, because the other side does not respond.",1154.58,1160,"554b78d9-4efe-4a8b-90b3-63d8efd356b8","reduce homicides and combat organized crime","Reports that criminals 'estão ganhando a guerra' without proposing action.",{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1379,"target_proposition":1380,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1388,"indexable":179},189,"97727","And this is the complaint of all the police forces.",1160.12,1162.24,"States it is a complaint from the police forces — a description of the problem.",{"idx":1390,"utterance_id":1391,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1392,"start_s":1393,"end_s":1394,"word_count":199,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1397,"target_proposition":1398,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1399,"indexable":405},190,"97728","We have means of action to defeat organized crime on the battlefield, for example, but the State cannot pass penal laws and criminal procedure laws, the famous laws on penal enforcement as well, so that the fight can be efficient.",1162.74,1176.24,"justica-criminal","Criminal Justice","c0b86dd4-27fb-419a-af1c-6f4f748a6aaa","approve penal and criminal procedure laws","Says the State cannot pass those laws and needs to enact them.",{"idx":1401,"utterance_id":1402,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1403,"start_s":1404,"end_s":1405,"word_count":320,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1406,"target_proposition":1407,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1408,"indexable":179},191,"97729","Sometimes the policeman reports, I arrested a guy, or sometimes I arrested a minor, a cell phone robber, he's back on the street.",1176.64,1183.38,"f938ffbc-0186-4398-9fb7-bccf51050d45","improve sentencing enforcement and reduce early release of prisoners","Reports arrests that result in an immediate return to the streets, describing a failure.",{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1415,"target_proposition":1416,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1417,"indexable":179},192,"97730","Shortly after, there was that operation in Rio de Janeiro that was so talked about, and shortly after the Comando Vermelho remained in control of the hill.",1183.78,1190.8,"68870c5c-74fa-43f1-8d60-79651a044907","reoccupy territories dominated by criminal factions","Reports that the operation did not eliminate Comando Vermelho's control.",{"idx":1419,"utterance_id":1420,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1421,"start_s":1422,"end_s":1423,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1424,"target_proposition":1425,"stance":1103,"stance_confidence":1426,"rationale":1427,"indexable":179},193,"97731","The point is, we have to split it.",1191.24,1192.2,"6c16e4fa-bf32-4bbc-8f8b-7b5bf44a6c30","strengthen policies to combat crime and criminal factions",0.5,"States that 'temos que dividir' without detailing the proposal.",{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1424,"target_proposition":1425,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":412,"rationale":1434,"indexable":179},194,"97732","There are two types of territorial and institutional occupation carried out by the factions.",1192.3,1196.52,"Classifies types of occupation carried out by the factions — analytical description.",{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":320,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1424,"target_proposition":1425,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1441,"indexable":179},195,"97733","There is horizontal occupation, which is over territory, which is the style of the Comando Vermelho, and vertical, which is institutional, carried out by the PCC.",1196.84,1204.02,"Defines horizontal and vertical occupation, describing the factions.",{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1445,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1447,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1448,"target_proposition":1449,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1450,"indexable":405},196,"97734","One requires police forces, including participation of the armed forces when necessary, in an auxiliary manner.",1204.72,1209.02,"97994656-792f-4d45-af2f-8e70695a4018","coordinate the Federal Police and Armed Forces to tackle crime in the state","Calls for participation of police and military forces 'quando necessário'.",{"idx":1452,"utterance_id":1453,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1454,"start_s":1455,"end_s":1456,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1457,"target_proposition":1458,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":1459,"indexable":179},197,"97735","The other requires intelligence, COAF, Polícia Federal.",1209.88,1213.24,"dd15593f-3c22-491d-a9aa-c745ecedd263","use financial intelligence and the Federal Police to combat factions","Indicates demand for intelligence, COAF and the Federal Police.",{"idx":1461,"utterance_id":1462,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1463,"start_s":1464,"end_s":1465,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1466,"target_proposition":1467,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":1468,"indexable":405},198,"97736","institutions of the Republic, in order to dismantle their operations.",1213.7,1216.64,"c6015ac5-4113-400c-9721-98e3c8797fbd","mobilize all federal institutions to combat organized crime","Proposes using republican institutions to dismantle criminal operations.",{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":1477,"indexable":405},199,"97737","And we have to know how to use that intelligently.",1217.08,1218.88,"ab5895b5-71ee-4c50-b1b1-4014eb3a7915","integrate security forces across the Union, states, and institutions","Says it is necessary to 'saber usar isso de maneira inteligente'.",{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":628,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1484,"target_proposition":1485,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":1486,"indexable":405},200,"97738","And beyond that, what we have to do—and what I have been advocating for at least a year and a half, almost two years—is to bring to Brazil the idea of the criminal law of the enemy, which is to classify in a special way people who are part of these criminal organizations who do not recognize the authority of the State as enemies of the Brazilian State, and for the law to operate differently for them.",1219.02,1237.74,"29288f83-608b-41ba-b8fa-723c9443af63","establish special procedural treatment for members of criminal organizations","Explicitly declares defending the introduction of enemy criminal law.",{"idx":1488,"utterance_id":1489,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1490,"start_s":1491,"end_s":1492,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1484,"target_proposition":1485,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1493,"indexable":405},201,"97739","This is a legal instrument that will allow our police forces and our justice forces to treat these enemies of the State, which are the criminal factions, the way they need to be treated.",1238.24,1246.94,"States that the mechanism will allow treating factions as they need to be treated.",{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1484,"target_proposition":1485,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":1500,"indexable":405},202,"97740","Because today they make use of rights and prerogatives in order to basically remain immune to the heavy hand that the State must have to confront them and keep millions of Brazilians... in a parallel state, which deprives these Brazilians of their human rights.",1247.14,1261.24,"Argues that factions use prerogatives to escape, justifying action.",{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":175,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1506,"target_proposition":1507,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":1509,"indexable":179},"97741","Renan, what you are talking about—how close is it, for example, to El Salvador's public security model, which is so talked about these days?",1261.4,1268.16,"2e832aeb-e07e-42ad-87b8-e2af37783673","adopt hardline public security policies inspired by the Bukele model",0.6,"Comparative question about similarity with the Salvadoran model, without taking a position.",{"idx":1511,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":541,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1506,"target_proposition":1507,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1516,"indexable":179},204,"97742","We were in El Salvador in 2024, we got to know it, we saw up close how their model works, and they applied something similar, which is the understanding that the factions, the groups... that we can label as terrorists—that's a matter of nomenclature.",1268.52,1284,"Reports a visit to El Salvador and describes the model observed.",{"idx":1518,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":170,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1523,"target_proposition":1524,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1525,"indexable":405},205,"97743","They are attacking the Rule of Law and, therefore, the Rule of Law has to be instrumented with every tool to remove certain prerogatives from these guys, from these leaders of organized crime, and put them quickly behind bars.",1284.52,1297.3,"602a46e9-3866-4c68-885e-e90ca672ceb5","remove legal prerogatives from organized crime leaders and arrest them quickly","Argues to instrumentalize the State to remove prerogatives and incarcerate rapidly.",{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1527,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1528,"start_s":1529,"end_s":1530,"word_count":395,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1533,"indexable":179},"97744","He established a special regime—they call it a state of exception there—and on that basis he dismantled all organized crime in El Salvador and made El Salvador the safest country in the Americas.",1297.34,1306.38,"6fef86da-8e8b-481a-b2ce-0561cfe6911f","decree states of defense and federal interventions to confront organized crime","Reports that El Salvador established a special regime and the results achieved.",{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1484,"target_proposition":1485,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1540,"indexable":405},207,"97745","The instrument he used can be used here.",1307.24,1309.74,"States that the mechanism applied in El Salvador 'dá para ser utilizado aqui'.",{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":275,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1547,"target_proposition":1548,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":1549,"indexable":405},208,"97746","And we can also use other combat strategies, given that the Brazilian situation is different.",1310.38,1314.34,"49d1b998-4416-468b-bcd8-fa9c913f9c8f","adopt varied strategies to combat organized crime","Says we can use other strategies given the Brazilian context.",{"idx":1551,"utterance_id":1552,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1553,"start_s":1554,"end_s":1555,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1547,"target_proposition":1548,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1556,"indexable":179},209,"97747","Brazil has different models of occupation.",1314.44,1316.2,"States that Brazil has different models of occupation — descriptive.",{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":1565,"indexable":405},210,"97748","For example, the PCC, to mention it by name, was not present in El Salvador; there was no version of the PCC there.",1316.44,1321.42,"94fc3655-11f2-4c52-9681-bb715a6574a4","adopt a more assertive Federal Government stance in confronting organized crime","Notes that the PCC was not present in El Salvador, describing the difference.",{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":1572,"indexable":405},211,"97749","The fight against the PCC will be different from what they did in El Salvador.",1321.78,1324.68,"States that the fight against the PCC will have to be different from the Salvadoran model.",{"idx":1574,"utterance_id":1575,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1576,"start_s":1577,"end_s":1578,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1579,"target_proposition":1580,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":1581,"indexable":405},212,"97750","In that respect, the State's structure has to be used differently as well.",1325.02,1327.94,"d0ef812b-3f93-49b4-9f22-a6b1d1237848","use the state's structure in a differentiated way to confront factions","States that the structure of the State must be used differently.",{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1588,"target_proposition":1589,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":1590,"indexable":179},213,"97751","Each case, each faction, a solution.",1328.52,1330.6,"5e5cc695-15ce-46c7-be6d-3552543c343a","adopt case-by-case solutions to confront criminal factions","Summarizes: 'Cada caso, cada facção, uma solução' — advocates specific measures.",{"idx":1592,"utterance_id":1593,"speaker_name":175,"text":1594,"start_s":1595,"end_s":1596,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1506,"target_proposition":1507,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":1597,"indexable":179},214,"97752","Aldo, how do you see this El Salvador model in response to Thais's question?",1331.08,1335.7,"Asks Aldo about his view of the Salvadoran model without taking a position.",{"idx":1599,"utterance_id":1600,"speaker_name":175,"text":1601,"start_s":1602,"end_s":1603,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1604,"target_proposition":1605,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":1606,"indexable":179},215,"97753","and also what proposals... What would you put forward in the area of security?",1335.76,1338.74,"9015c7c3-680c-4bd6-9e21-8a1e24859f3c","present public policy proposals for state security","Asks what proposals the guest would put forward in the area of security.",{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":175,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":275,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1613,"target_proposition":1614,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":1615,"indexable":179},216,"97754","Do you, for example, advocate tightening the Penal Code, harsher penalties, lowering the age of criminal responsibility?",1338.78,1343.94,"1ceb6f95-b82d-40f4-bc94-4d3d06b768d2","draft new criminal legislation with harsher penalties","Questions whether the guest supports toughening the Penal Code and harsher sentences.",{"idx":1617,"utterance_id":1618,"speaker_name":175,"text":1619,"start_s":1620,"end_s":1621,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},217,"97755","What would you propose in the area of public security?",1344.34,1346.44,{"idx":1623,"utterance_id":1624,"speaker_name":175,"text":1625,"start_s":1626,"end_s":1627,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1628,"target_proposition":1629,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":1630,"indexable":405},218,"97756","When I was Minister of Defense, we carried out an operation in the Amazon called Operation Ágata to reduce transnational crimes, cross-border crimes.",1347.44,1357.66,"92574c5c-9b75-4ea4-8226-9137b8c3aa16","restrict the financial and logistical flow of organized crime through border control and financial intelligence","States having led Operation Ágata to reduce transnational crimes.",{"idx":1632,"utterance_id":1633,"speaker_name":175,"text":1634,"start_s":1635,"end_s":1636,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1637,"target_proposition":1638,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1639,"indexable":179},219,"97757","This operation was led by the Ministry of Defense; the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force participated in it.",1358.12,1366.68,"e242d5d7-724f-43b0-a600-2cd3d361bcc0","mobilize the armed forces in operations in the Amazon","Describes the participation of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces in the operation.",{"idx":1641,"utterance_id":1642,"speaker_name":175,"text":1643,"start_s":1644,"end_s":1645,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1646,"target_proposition":1647,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1648,"indexable":179},220,"97758","The state military police of the Amazon states, the civil police of the Amazon states, the National Force, the COAF, the Federal Revenue Service participated.",1367.1,1378.58,"bc4465eb-44dc-4a38-9ca8-88155ba5b83d","create an interinstitutional task force to combat organized crime and retake territories","Lists police forces and agencies that participated in the task force.",{"idx":1650,"utterance_id":1651,"speaker_name":175,"text":1652,"start_s":1653,"end_s":1654,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1646,"target_proposition":1647,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":1655,"indexable":405},221,"97759","So it was a state task force that blocked the action of organized, cross-border crime, which was reduced to zero.",1379.06,1388.42,"States that the task force blocked the action of organized crime.",{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":175,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1662,"target_proposition":1663,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1664,"indexable":179},222,"97760","Now, when the operation ceased, the actions of the criminal groups returned.",1389.08,1395.42,"d74d4d85-e60b-4f55-81e1-d1f1d188acb7","maintain public security operations","Notes that when the operation ceased, crimes returned — description.",{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":175,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":472,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1448,"target_proposition":1449,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":1671,"indexable":405},223,"97761","Therefore this shows that you can confront it, that the National State, that the police forces, the armed forces, by providing logistics and rear support, can confront the criminality that today in the Amazon basically controls the Amazon rivers and commands the border areas.",1396.16,1414.72,"States that the State, with logistics and backup, can confront criminality.",{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":175,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},224,"97762","What do I defend?",1415.54,1416.42,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":175,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1484,"target_proposition":1485,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":1684,"indexable":405},225,"97763","I defend that there be special rules and exceptional rules to confront organized crime.",1417.36,1421.54,"Declares explicitly: 'Eu defendo que haja normas especiais e de exceção'.",{"idx":1686,"utterance_id":1687,"speaker_name":175,"text":1688,"start_s":1689,"end_s":1690,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1691,"target_proposition":1692,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1693,"indexable":405},226,"97764","You cannot treat organized crime the same way you treat a citizen who commits a traffic offense and has no criminal record.",1421.9,1431.52,"b9b79657-43a8-492b-bd37-e332ddd4b390","adopt differentiated criminal laws for members of criminal organizations","States that organized crime cannot be treated like ordinary crime.",{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":175,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":275,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1700,"target_proposition":1701,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1702,"indexable":179},227,"97765","That person can be given the right to a custody hearing, to habeas corpus, to temporary release.",1431.96,1436.9,"ff744516-4095-4c64-98c8-c801c4f97811","guarantee procedural rights for ordinary citizens (custody hearing, habeas corpus)","Describes a distinction between the treatment of an ordinary citizen and an organized criminal.",{"idx":1704,"utterance_id":1705,"speaker_name":175,"text":1706,"start_s":1707,"end_s":1708,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1691,"target_proposition":1692,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1709,"indexable":405},228,"97766","Organized crime cannot enjoy those prerogatives, because when you grant a habeas corpus to a criminal linked to drug trafficking, you end up granting a habeas corpus to André do Rep.",1437.3,1449.48,"Argues that organized criminals should not have the same prerogatives.",{"idx":1711,"utterance_id":1712,"speaker_name":175,"text":1713,"start_s":1714,"end_s":1715,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1691,"target_proposition":1692,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":1716,"indexable":179},229,"97767","So you have to have rules.",1449.56,1451.32,"Reiterates that specific rules are needed to confront organized crime.",{"idx":1718,"utterance_id":1719,"speaker_name":175,"text":1720,"start_s":1721,"end_s":1722,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1723,"target_proposition":1724,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1725,"indexable":405},230,"97768","If you don't like the term 'rules of exception,' if you think it's too strong, use 'special rules.'",1451.6,1457,"6c275c01-274f-4ab2-bcf9-5627a21b0484","adopt special prisons and make gang crimes non-bailable without sentence progression","Suggests using 'normas especiais' if 'normas de exceção' is too strong a term.",{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":175,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1732,"target_proposition":1733,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1734,"indexable":405},231,"97769","Rules that give the police, that give the Public Ministry—in this case, yes—that give the Judiciary the conditions to confront organized crime.",1457.5,1467.88,"ffc94a9c-7aaf-4b22-9300-2cd6bbaac526","grant more operational powers to the police, the Public Prosecutor's Office and the Judiciary to confront organized crime","Requests rules that provide conditions to the police, the Public Ministry (MP), and the Judiciary to confront factions.",{"idx":1736,"utterance_id":1737,"speaker_name":175,"text":1738,"start_s":1739,"end_s":1740,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1691,"target_proposition":1692,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":1741,"indexable":405},232,"97770","And with the current rules, these factions, forget it.",1467.92,1471.26,"States that, under current norms, there are no conditions to confront criminal factions.",{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":175,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1691,"target_proposition":1692,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1748,"indexable":179},233,"97771","You do not have the means to face organized crime.",1471.52,1474.46,"States that it is impossible to confront organized crime under current rules.",{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":175,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},234,"97772","The same way you combat a traffic crime or a crime by someone who has no criminal record.",1474.98,1480.14,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":175,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":1723,"target_proposition":1724,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1761,"indexable":179},235,"97773","So does Brazil have this possibility?",1480.62,1482.96,"States that either there is 'mão de ferro' or the battle will not be won.",{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":175,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},236,"97774","Yes.",1483.06,1483.2,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":175,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},237,"97775","But in Brazil there is a misunderstanding about how to face this situation.",1483.3,1486.68,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":175,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},"97776","Because many times there is an idea that organized crime is a social problem.",1486.76,1490.9,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":175,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},239,"97777","No.",1491.14,1491.3,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":175,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},240,"97778","Social problems are unemployment, hunger.",1491.64,1494.18,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":175,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},241,"97779","Those are social problems.",1494.7,1496.08,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":175,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},242,"97780","Organized crime has to be confronted with repression.",1496.38,1499.02,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":175,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},243,"97781","Violence, which is the monopoly of the State... must be used to confront crime.",1499.8,1505.12,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":175,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},244,"97782","Who is going to confront organized crime?",1505.16,1506.62,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":175,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},"97783","Is the citizen going to do it alone?",1506.66,1508.58,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":175,"text":1782,"start_s":1823,"end_s":1824,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},246,"97784",1508.72,1509.02,{"idx":1826,"utterance_id":1827,"speaker_name":175,"text":1828,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},247,"97785","It's the police.",1509.56,1510.22,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":175,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},248,"97786","They have the monopoly on violence and it must be used to confront criminality.",1510.32,1515.24,{"idx":1838,"utterance_id":1839,"speaker_name":175,"text":1840,"start_s":1841,"end_s":1842,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},249,"97787","Otherwise we will not eradicate area control, as already happens today—the control of rivers and borders, as happens in the Amazon.",1515.56,1523.44,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":1845,"speaker_name":175,"text":1846,"start_s":1847,"end_s":1848,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},250,"97788","Police chiefs, police leaders from the Amazon, my friends, send me reports.",1523.76,1528.64,{"idx":1850,"utterance_id":1851,"speaker_name":175,"text":1852,"start_s":1853,"end_s":1854,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},251,"97789","They already assume the functions of the State.",1528.72,1530.38,{"idx":1856,"utterance_id":1857,"speaker_name":175,"text":1858,"start_s":1859,"end_s":1860,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},252,"97790","They investigate the other faction, they arrest, they judge, they carry out the sentence, they film it and still send it to the police authority.",1531.2,1538.82,{"idx":361,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":175,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},"97791","And here in São Paulo, everyone knows there are areas where the military police cannot get in.",1539.22,1544.26,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":175,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},254,"97792","So I believe the following: either there is an iron fist against organized crime, or we will not win this battle.",1544.3,1555.34,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":175,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":1880,"target_proposition":1881,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":1882,"indexable":179},255,"97793","And how do you see the political difficulty?",1555.76,1557.54,"pacto-federativo","Federative Pact","e5fdded9-aed7-42c6-9fce-b20f0b535480","improve coordination between the Union and the states to combat organized crime","Asks about the political difficulty in bringing together governors and the Union.",{"idx":1884,"utterance_id":1885,"speaker_name":175,"text":1886,"start_s":1887,"end_s":1888,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},256,"97794","I ask both of you.",1557.62,1558.46,{"idx":1890,"utterance_id":1891,"speaker_name":175,"text":1892,"start_s":1893,"end_s":1894,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":1895,"target_proposition":1896,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":412,"rationale":1897,"indexable":179},257,"97795","to bring together all the country's forces, the governors and the Union.",1558.92,1563.76,"4a97ee97-bd12-44f3-ac4f-a5b3fe84c2b1","promote coordination between governors and the Union to combat organized crime","Points to the need to bring together the country's forces, governors, and the Union.",{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":175,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":1904,"target_proposition":1905,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":1906,"indexable":405},258,"97796","It is obvious that someone has to coordinate this; it has to be the Union.",1564.32,1566.94,"7bac5db9-69ff-4543-b05b-05e71ffbb0a8","establish centralized federal coordination to combat organized crime","States that 'alguém tem que coordenar isso, tem que ser a União'.",{"idx":1908,"utterance_id":1909,"speaker_name":175,"text":1910,"start_s":1911,"end_s":1912,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":1904,"target_proposition":1905,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":1913,"indexable":405},259,"97797","The federal government should coordinate the major fight against organized crime in Brazil, with the support of the states.",1567.78,1574.22,"Declares that the federal government must coordinate the large‑scale fight against organized crime.",{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":175,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},260,"97798","I am talking about the structure that the country has.",1574.76,1579.38,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":175,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},261,"97799","Without that structure in its fullness, it will be difficult to win this war.",1579.64,1584.18,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":175,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},262,"97800","I wanted to ask how you see... political issues preventing the union of forces against organized crime.",1584.62,1591.52,{"idx":1933,"utterance_id":1934,"speaker_name":175,"text":1935,"start_s":1936,"end_s":1937,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1938,"target_proposition":1939,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":1940,"indexable":405},263,"97801","Look, I was responsible for public security during the World Cup.",1591.76,1595.14,"5b7148bc-f355-4b57-af4f-2e1bb65cf19f","organize integrated security operations at major events","Reports having been responsible for World Cup security and the operation's success.",{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":175,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":421,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1938,"target_proposition":1939,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1947,"indexable":179},264,"97802","We were going to receive 32 national teams—well, I think 31—heads of state; Merkel came here twice, the Vice President of the United States came, Putin came, the King of Belgium came, all those people came; we had to provide security.",1595.62,1610.94,"Describes the complexity and security needs of large events.",{"idx":1949,"utterance_id":1950,"speaker_name":175,"text":1951,"start_s":1952,"end_s":1953,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1954,"target_proposition":1955,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1956,"rationale":1957,"indexable":405},265,"97803","And we worked with the armed forces, we worked with the military police and the civil police and it was an absolute success.",1611.4,1619.12,"61bbd8af-b4e2-49d5-8359-9f83f8ca3fb1","strengthen cooperation among public security agencies",0.78,"States that cooperation between forces and police resulted in success.",{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":175,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},266,"97804","That was in the government... in President Dilma's government in 2014.",1619.16,1622.94,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":175,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},267,"97805","We had cooperation between those institutions; we had common command and control.",1623.6,1631.88,{"idx":1971,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":175,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},268,"97806","Army, Navy, Air Force, Military Police of São Paulo, Civil Police, National Force, Federal Police, everyone working in cooperation.",1632.56,1641.5,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":175,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},269,"97807","And we were able to handle it.",1641.96,1643.8,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":175,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1988,"target_proposition":1989,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":1990,"indexable":179},270,"97808","Now, security is a type of service that is intensive in human resources.",1643.9,1652.1,"00375ebe-4061-43cf-9f51-9cc3debd6ccb","modernize and equip the security forces (vehicles, armament, PPE)","States that security is human‑resource intensive and requires equipment.",{"idx":1992,"utterance_id":1993,"speaker_name":175,"text":1994,"start_s":1995,"end_s":1996,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},271,"97809","And in equipment.",1652.78,1653.96,{"idx":1998,"utterance_id":1999,"speaker_name":175,"text":2000,"start_s":2001,"end_s":2002,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1988,"target_proposition":1989,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":2003,"indexable":179},272,"97810","You have to have modern equipment.",1654.22,1656.44,"Says explicitly 'você tem que ter equipamentos modernos'.",{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":175,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},273,"97811","Intelligence.",1656.48,1657.04,{"idx":2011,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":175,"text":2007,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},274,"97812",1657.08,1657.72,{"idx":2016,"utterance_id":2017,"speaker_name":175,"text":2018,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2021,"target_proposition":2022,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":2023,"indexable":179},275,"97813","Equipment is primarily for intelligence.",1657.76,1659.78,"d0792e71-21fe-45d2-9432-d16c6c506690","prioritize investments and policies in public security and the police","States that the equipment is primarily for intelligence.",{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":175,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1988,"target_proposition":1989,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2030,"indexable":179},276,"97814","If you do not have that, you will force a military police officer, with an expired vest, who does not have a radar, who does not have surveillance equipment.",1660.16,1669.22,"Describes the consequences of a lack of equipment for police officers.",{"idx":2032,"utterance_id":2033,"speaker_name":175,"text":1782,"start_s":2034,"end_s":2035,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},277,"97815",1669.56,1669.92,{"idx":2037,"utterance_id":2038,"speaker_name":175,"text":2039,"start_s":2040,"end_s":2041,"word_count":358,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2042,"target_proposition":2043,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2044,"indexable":179},278,"97816","And Brazil, unfortunately... I saw in the newspaper today the report that the federal government's public security budget was smaller than the advertising\u002Fpublicity budget.",1670.04,1681.44,"18e75e32-d24f-4ec1-9ecd-1e056360ad2b","increase federal transfers to public security and penitentiary funds","Cites news that the security budget is smaller than the advertising budget.",{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":175,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},279,"97817","I don't know if that is accurate, but that was the report I read.",1681.74,1683.9,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":175,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":205,"indexable":179},280,"97818","So in fact it is an activity neglected by the State, neglected by a good part of governments, and in Brazil it has become the calamity that we have.",1684.56,1696.02,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":175,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2063,"target_proposition":2064,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":2065,"indexable":405},281,"97819","So if you have means, resources... Our armed forces are very well qualified.",1696.16,1701.94,"c8583a84-a650-4f35-8f0e-376db125d106","increase investments and national defense capacity","States that, with means and resources, the forces are qualified and can act.",{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":175,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},282,"97820","Our military police are also well prepared; as human resources they are well trained.",1702.14,1707.64,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":175,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2078,"target_proposition":2079,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":2080,"indexable":405},283,"97821","Now, human resources need equipment; they need a patrol vehicle.",1708.14,1712.12,"c956738c-5a13-4840-b048-c1d6104621d2","provide adequate vehicles and patrol cars to police forces","Says that human resources need equipment and vehicles.",{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":175,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2087,"target_proposition":2088,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":2089,"indexable":405},284,"97822","To patrol the Amazon River you need a launch.",1713.16,1715.46,"b7d6b6d7-a979-4017-8799-4ff5a36bb972","provide suitable vessels for enforcement in the Amazon","States that to police the Amazon River a boat is necessary.",{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":175,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":478,"indexable":179},285,"97823","Now, you don't have that—you go out with a little canoe, a skiff, with a lieutenant and two sergeants, to take the vaccine and medicine to the river-dweller, and they come across a launch with a .50-caliber machine gun on the bow going down the river—what happens?",1715.86,1735.22,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":175,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},286,"97824","The army boat retreats; it does not engage because it does not have the capacity to confront.",1735.56,1739.12,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":175,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},287,"97825","If it did, then the conversation would be different.",1739.4,1741.14,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":175,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2114,"target_proposition":2115,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2116,"indexable":179},288,"97826","Renan, I also heard you about the issue, a bit of what Mitri said, about this integration between the forces.",1741.74,1747.26,"cd829fcb-5432-4a92-a9f6-ad4d705d00d0","promote integration and cooperation among the forces and federal entities","Comments on integration between forces and a lack of political will among entities.",{"idx":2118,"utterance_id":2119,"speaker_name":175,"text":2120,"start_s":2121,"end_s":2122,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2114,"target_proposition":2115,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2123,"indexable":179},289,"97827","And sometimes there is even a lack of political will among these entities.",1747.34,1750.38,"States that sometimes there is a lack of political will among these entities.",{"idx":2125,"utterance_id":2126,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2127,"start_s":2128,"end_s":2129,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2130,"target_proposition":2131,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2132,"indexable":179},290,"97828","But that is the main problem.",1750.52,1752.02,"8188b9c2-7910-473f-aaae-d1905496f5bd","promote cooperation between the states and the Union to confront organized crime","Identifies the lack of political will as the main problem.",{"idx":2134,"utterance_id":2135,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2136,"start_s":2137,"end_s":2138,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2139,"target_proposition":2140,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2141,"indexable":179},291,"97829","The reality is that the state security forces know what to do.",1752.26,1756.82,"aaf4500d-1fce-4009-8210-c147e6e2f65c","provide federal technology and resources to states for public security","Says state forces know what to do, describing a diagnosis.",{"idx":2143,"utterance_id":2144,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2145,"start_s":2146,"end_s":2147,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2148,"target_proposition":2149,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2150,"indexable":179},292,"97830","I was in Ceará and we have entire cities taken over by organized crime.",1756.88,1760.5,"900ff430-3950-41b7-bede-65aefa4dda51","retake territories dominated by organized crime and ensure access to public policies","Reports entire cities in Ceará are taken over by organized crime.",{"idx":2152,"utterance_id":2153,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2154,"start_s":2155,"end_s":2156,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":2157,"topic_label":2158,"target_id":2159,"target_proposition":2160,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":2161,"indexable":179},293,"97831","There is no— I repeat here, I have even been sued twice by the governor of Ceará.",1760.88,1764.3,"politica-local","Local Politics","65ad3d3a-411f-455f-9a48-675ee1e59da3","investigate and hold governors accountable for leniency in combating crime","Says he was sued by the governor of Ceará, a personal account.",{"idx":2163,"utterance_id":2164,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2165,"start_s":2166,"end_s":2167,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2168,"target_proposition":2169,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2170,"indexable":179},294,"97832","There is no political will to solve this.",1764.78,1766.34,"d99459bb-3aa7-43d1-8612-9b331a592ec0","ensure political will to combat organized crime","Repeatedly states there is no political will to solve the problem.",{"idx":2172,"utterance_id":2173,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2174,"start_s":2175,"end_s":2176,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},295,"97833","There is absolutely no will.",1766.9,1767.66,{"idx":2178,"utterance_id":2179,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2180,"start_s":2181,"end_s":2182,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":2183,"indexable":405},296,"97834","And I suspect, and I could face a third lawsuit, that the government of Ceará is especially lenient with the advance of Comando Vermelho.",1768.12,1773.36,"Expresses suspicion of leniency and indicates he would act with harsh measures if elected.",{"idx":2185,"utterance_id":2186,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2187,"start_s":2188,"end_s":2189,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},297,"97835","There are governors who do not have the political will to resolve this.",1773.84,1776.3,{"idx":2191,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},298,"97836","The same thing is happening in Bahia with Jerônimo.",1776.9,1778.74,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":448,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2202,"target_proposition":2203,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2204,"indexable":179},299,"97837","The police forces there complain: look, I want to act, we know where there are areas taken over by organized crime, we have forces, it's not difficult to exchange fire and resolve it, it's not difficult to recover that area, but we cannot do anything.",1779.28,1791.58,"f9480a51-d070-4aa2-beab-fafea6f76f46","train and authorize police forces to retake areas dominated by criminal factions","Cites police complaints that they know where to act but cannot.",{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},300,"97838","There is no command, there is no will.",1792,1793.26,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":448,"topic_slug":1395,"topic_label":1396,"target_id":2217,"target_proposition":2218,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":2220,"indexable":405},301,"97839","One of the most absurd things I saw in Ceará was, during the takeover of a town, Santa Quitéria, they were discussing the Pena Justa program, which would release more criminals, because the prisons were supposedly not in the desired condition for those criminals.",1793.44,1806.62,"2a9bbc3d-b8fe-478c-83e1-77a539e21ba9","implement the Pena Justa program that provides for prisoner release","contra","Criticizes the Pena Justa program as one that would release more criminals.",{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":358,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2227,"target_proposition":2228,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":2229,"indexable":405},302,"97840","So, what the President of the Republic has to do is, if I am elected president, very clearly, the issue that elected me was the destruction of organized crime.",1807.12,1815.06,"b9471d8a-5534-4215-96e4-dcf77d31438d","disrupt and destroy organized crime through federal operations and special measures","Says the theme that would elect him would be the destruction of organized crime.",{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},303,"97841","I've been saying that for two years.",1815.1,1816.24,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},304,"97842","It will be a plebiscitary election.",1816.5,1817.72,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},"97843","The guy who decided to elect Renan Santos also decided to elect me, and largely because of that.",1818.02,1822.82,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":2253,"indexable":405},306,"97844","So, once there, the states that do not decide to cooperate... Given that we are talking about the taking over of portions of Brazilian territory, we will declare a specific state of defense in those states and municipalities.",1823.18,1833.04,"Promises to declare a specific state of defense in states that do not cooperate.",{"idx":2255,"utterance_id":2256,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2257,"start_s":2258,"end_s":2259,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2260,"target_proposition":2261,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":2262,"indexable":179},307,"97845","Cooperation needs to happen.",1833.7,1835.02,"f054e5b2-8549-4334-8c2e-c1f8675404f4","promote cooperation between the states and the Union to combat organized crime","States that 'a cooperação precisa acontecer'.",{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},308,"97846","And I'm already warning some states.",1835.34,1836.38,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},309,"97847","Ceará needs to.",1836.8,1838.04,{"idx":437,"utterance_id":2276,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2277,"start_s":2278,"end_s":2279,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},"97848","Want another state?",1838.5,1839.2,{"idx":2281,"utterance_id":2282,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2283,"start_s":2284,"end_s":2285,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},311,"97849","Bahia needs to.",1839.48,1840.24,{"idx":2287,"utterance_id":2288,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2289,"start_s":2290,"end_s":2291,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2292,"target_proposition":2293,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2294,"indexable":179},312,"97850","People talk a lot about Rio de Janeiro, but the state of Ceará is in a much worse situation than the Carioca one.",1840.38,1844.8,"25935f08-bfe9-4fe3-af3e-978c1dbaf114","assess and prioritize areas with higher violence rates for intervention","Compares Ceará's situation with Rio's, indicating worse rates in Ceará.",{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2296,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2297,"start_s":2298,"end_s":2299,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},"97851","Rio de Janeiro is a bizarre example in many respects, but sometimes it becomes anecdotal.",1845.26,1848.8,{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},314,"97852","The situation, the number of deaths per 100,000 inhabitants in Ceará... The rates are worse.",1849.2,1852.78,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":175,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},315,"97853","Much worse.",1852.94,1853.54,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":175,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},316,"97854","Perhaps the number of areas under control is what makes that number higher.",1853.58,1857.44,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},317,"97855","Rio de Janeiro is more balkanized; there's one faction here, another pulling one out of a building over there.",1858.54,1863.12,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},318,"97856","But the case in Ceará, you're talking about monopolistic takeovers carried out by the Comando Vermelho and auxiliary factions.",1863.48,1868.72,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":478,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":2336,"indexable":405},319,"97857","If the government is idle, the government must... be replaced, then people will vote for another government, or when we come to power, if they decide not to cooperate, we will declare a specific state of defense, for a specific period, so that we retake those territories.",1869.14,1883.02,"Says that, if in power, he will declare a state of defense and retake territories.",{"idx":2338,"utterance_id":2339,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2340,"start_s":2341,"end_s":2342,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":2343,"indexable":179},320,"97858","And only in the specific areas.",1883.14,1884.96,"Clarifies that the measure would be only in specific areas.",{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},321,"97859","There are even those people who say, 'but what about democracy?','322':'There is no democracy in Santa Quitéria, in Ceará.",1885,1887.16,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},322,"97860","There is no democracy in Santa Quitéria, in Ceará.",1887.24,1889.24,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":2362,"indexable":405},323,"97861","I will declare a state of defense and I will use the police forces and, if necessary, the national security forces, the armed forces, to carry out these operations.",1889.7,1897.38,"Promises to use police forces and, if necessary, the armed forces under a state of defense.",{"idx":2364,"utterance_id":2365,"speaker_name":175,"text":2366,"start_s":2367,"end_s":2368,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},324,"97862","Period.",1897.78,1898.1,{"idx":2370,"utterance_id":2371,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2372,"start_s":2373,"end_s":2374,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":2375,"topic_label":2376,"target_id":2377,"target_proposition":2378,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":2379,"indexable":405},325,"97863","We will recover those territories and then deliver human rights to the people who need them.",1898.28,1902.92,"financas-publicas-e-seguranca-publica","Public Finance and Public Security","fe7fafe6-adc7-424f-98b3-a3160d334202","retake territories dominated by factions and restore human rights to the population","Says that after recovering territories he will deliver human rights to the people.",{"idx":2381,"utterance_id":2382,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2383,"start_s":2384,"end_s":2385,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2386,"target_proposition":2387,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2388,"indexable":179},326,"97864","The way things are, I repeat, there are governors who are cooperating, directly or indirectly, with the advance of crime.",1903.24,1909.66,"ddee73f5-8b28-4e74-95b1-795b18894bdc","ensure governors cooperate in combating organized crime","Claims there are governors cooperating or indirectly cooperating with the advance of crime.",{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":1878,"topic_label":1879,"target_id":2395,"target_proposition":2396,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":2397,"indexable":179},327,"97865","And this needs to end.",1909.92,1910.76,"2c4a539e-cf33-4d4b-bd38-75764e523ead","ensure that governors cooperate with the Union in combating organized crime","States that the lenient cooperation of some governors 'precisa acabar'.",{"idx":2399,"utterance_id":2400,"speaker_name":175,"text":2401,"start_s":2402,"end_s":2403,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},328,"97866","Let me just pick up on that.",1911.04,1912.04,{"idx":2405,"utterance_id":2406,"speaker_name":175,"text":2407,"start_s":2408,"end_s":2409,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},329,"97867","Paulo says, in Santa Quitéria, which he is citing here, which is the chaos of Ceará, there is... uranium?",1912.1,1917.72,{"idx":2411,"utterance_id":2412,"speaker_name":175,"text":2413,"start_s":2414,"end_s":2415,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":2416,"topic_label":2417,"target_id":2418,"target_proposition":2419,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":2420,"indexable":405},330,"97868","A uranium and phosphate mine has been waiting for licensing for 30 years.",1917.8,1922.38,"politica-de-mineracao","Mining Policy","48a55886-5814-4e0e-bbb4-245e5c9b3b29","license uranium and phosphate exploitation in Santa Quitéria","Reports a mine has been waiting for licensing for 30 years.",{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":175,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},331,"97869","It's uranium and phosphate.",1922.58,1923.64,{"idx":2428,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":175,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},332,"97870","The country imports phosphate.",1923.68,1925.16,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":175,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},333,"97871","There is phosphate there in Santa Quitéria waiting for licensing.",1925.24,1928.44,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":175,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":2416,"topic_label":2417,"target_id":2445,"target_proposition":2446,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":2447,"indexable":405},334,"97872","Ibama, I don't know if FUNAI has taken action; the Ministério Público are interdicting Santa Quitéria.",1928.8,1934.08,"c53649e2-825a-413e-92c6-d56a80c75955","establish clear and transparent rules for mining activity","Points to Ibama, FUNAI and MP as prohibiting the activity.",{"idx":2449,"utterance_id":2450,"speaker_name":175,"text":2451,"start_s":2452,"end_s":2453,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":2416,"topic_label":2417,"target_id":2454,"target_proposition":2455,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":2456,"indexable":405},335,"97873","That could generate wealth for the city, for the State and for Brazil.",1934.28,1937.14,"653e7ac5-3fc2-43c2-b6c2-c624f39828f5","exploit rare earth deposits for economic development","Says that the exploitation could generate wealth for the city, state and Brazil.",{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":175,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},336,"97874","It's sitting there idle.",1937.28,1937.84,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":175,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},337,"97875","Exactly.",1937.92,1938.22,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2475,"target_proposition":2476,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":2477,"indexable":179},338,"97876","It's easier for the Comando Vermelho to make a dirty bomb.",1938.28,1940.24,"f407c838-212c-47d3-90cf-c7fbae113c8c","prevent the use of nuclear materials by criminal factions","Claims, in a hyperbolic tone, a risk that factions could make a 'bomba suja' with uranium.",{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":2484,"topic_label":2485,"target_id":2486,"target_proposition":2487,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":2488,"indexable":179},339,"97877","with uranium than for us to produce fertilizers for our agriculture.",1940.6,1943.54,"politica-comercial","Commercial Policy","1d93c8d6-0de7-4e73-8a33-3c7adf821c0e","resume national production of urea and fertilizers","Criticizes dependence on imports and the lack of local production.",{"idx":2490,"utterance_id":2491,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2492,"start_s":2493,"end_s":2494,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},340,"97878","This is the national joke we are living.",1943.78,1945.56,{"idx":2496,"utterance_id":2497,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2498,"start_s":2499,"end_s":2500,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},341,"97879","It's a national joke.",1945.88,1947.08,{"idx":2502,"utterance_id":2503,"speaker_name":175,"text":2504,"start_s":2505,"end_s":2506,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},342,"97880","Jornal da Band this week will run reports with Valterno de Oliveira highlighting this fertilizer issue.",1947.22,1952.22,{"idx":2508,"utterance_id":2509,"speaker_name":175,"text":2510,"start_s":2511,"end_s":2512,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},343,"97881","How Brazil, which is the world's breadbasket, cannot manage it.",1952.28,1956.42,{"idx":2514,"utterance_id":2515,"speaker_name":175,"text":2516,"start_s":2517,"end_s":2518,"word_count":320,"topic_slug":2519,"topic_label":86,"target_id":2520,"target_proposition":2521,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2522,"indexable":179},344,"97882","It is 90% dependent on fertilizer imports and moves at a turtle's pace, dependent, in the current wartime situation, on foreign fertilizer.",1956.46,1965.1,"politica-agricola","3cd62b1c-e444-48de-a69e-d086d1738731","implement a national fertilizer production and investment policy in Brazil","States dependence of 90% on fertilizer imports — descriptive and critical.",{"idx":2524,"utterance_id":2525,"speaker_name":175,"text":2526,"start_s":2527,"end_s":2528,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},345,"97883","Let me just pick up on what Aldo was saying a little while ago about public security.",1965.14,1969.8,{"idx":2530,"utterance_id":2531,"speaker_name":175,"text":2532,"start_s":2533,"end_s":2534,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},346,"97884","about Rebelo, about lack of investment.",1969.84,1971.98,{"idx":2536,"utterance_id":2537,"speaker_name":175,"text":2538,"start_s":2539,"end_s":2540,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},347,"97885","Aldo, you were Minister of Defense; I would also like to hear from Renan afterwards.",1972.42,1975.34,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":175,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},348,"97886","You witnessed the situation of the Armed Forces firsthand.",1975.9,1978.16,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":175,"text":2550,"start_s":2551,"end_s":2552,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},349,"97887","Today the Armed Forces complain a lot about lack of resources.",1978.52,1981,{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":175,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},350,"97888","Twenty years ago, when you had a global order with the UN and",1981.4,1985.5,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":175,"text":1329,"start_s":2562,"end_s":2563,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},351,"97889",1985.56,1985.76,{"idx":2565,"utterance_id":2566,"speaker_name":175,"text":2567,"start_s":2568,"end_s":2569,"word_count":352,"indexable":179},352,"97890","one imagined that, well, it would be difficult for anyone to come here and invade; rare earths were under discussion; Brazil is the second largest reserve in the world, we have the Blue Amazon.",1986.54,1995.6,{"idx":2571,"utterance_id":2572,"speaker_name":175,"text":2573,"start_s":2574,"end_s":2575,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},353,"97891","So...",1995.86,1996.02,{"idx":2577,"utterance_id":2578,"speaker_name":175,"text":2579,"start_s":2580,"end_s":2581,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},354,"97892","That discussion wasn't so prominent.",1996.78,1998.2,{"idx":2583,"utterance_id":2584,"speaker_name":175,"text":2585,"start_s":2586,"end_s":2587,"word_count":472,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2588,"target_proposition":2589,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":412,"rationale":2590,"indexable":179},355,"97893","Facing a president now, Donald Trump, who went in to arrest Maduro, who is now doing what he's doing in that Middle East region and everything else, we are confronted, for example, with the information that Brazil has no air defense.",1998.42,2011.92,"43bbf0f3-8639-448b-be3e-ce0b199eb9f6","develop an air defense for Brazil","States that Brazil has no air defense, suggesting vulnerability.",{"idx":2592,"utterance_id":2593,"speaker_name":175,"text":2594,"start_s":2595,"end_s":2596,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},356,"97894","Brazil has no air defense.",2012.88,2013.82,{"idx":2598,"utterance_id":2599,"speaker_name":175,"text":2600,"start_s":2601,"end_s":2602,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},357,"97895","If he wanted to do what he did to Maduro, Trump would come in here recklessly.",2014.06,2017.88,{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":175,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},358,"97896","In fact Lula would have called a meeting with the Minister of Defense as well, with Múcio and with the Chief of the Armed Forces to talk about this matter.",2017.92,2026.02,{"idx":2610,"utterance_id":2611,"speaker_name":175,"text":2612,"start_s":2613,"end_s":2614,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},359,"97897","What is your view on a defense project for Brazil in light of the world we are living in?",2026.42,2031.2,{"idx":2616,"utterance_id":2617,"speaker_name":175,"text":2618,"start_s":2619,"end_s":2620,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},360,"97898","Later I'd like to hear Renan on this as well.",2031.24,2032.86,{"idx":2622,"utterance_id":2623,"speaker_name":175,"text":2624,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2627,"target_proposition":2628,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2629,"indexable":179},361,"97899","First of all, it must be recognized that in terms of human resources, our Armed Forces are among the most prepared in the world.",2033.06,2041.7,"f2003a27-efed-45dd-a821-ec563bf9019c","value human resources in the Armed Forces but equip them adequately","Acknowledges high personnel qualification, stressing the need for equipment.",{"idx":2631,"utterance_id":2632,"speaker_name":175,"text":2633,"start_s":2634,"end_s":2635,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},362,"97900","Our pilots are exceptional.",2041.78,2043.96,{"idx":2637,"utterance_id":2638,"speaker_name":175,"text":2639,"start_s":2640,"end_s":2641,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},363,"97901","Our submariners are impressive in maneuvers involving other countries.",2044.36,2051.5,{"idx":2643,"utterance_id":2644,"speaker_name":175,"text":2645,"start_s":2646,"end_s":2647,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},364,"97902","Our submariners are very good.",2051.9,2053.9,{"idx":2649,"utterance_id":2650,"speaker_name":175,"text":2651,"start_s":2652,"end_s":2653,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},365,"97903","Our marines, our paratroopers, our special forces are very well trained.",2054.36,2061.2,{"idx":2655,"utterance_id":2656,"speaker_name":175,"text":2657,"start_s":2658,"end_s":2659,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},366,"97904","Now, it's not enough to have a well-trained soldier.",2061.54,2064.48,{"idx":2661,"utterance_id":2662,"speaker_name":175,"text":2663,"start_s":2664,"end_s":2665,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2063,"target_proposition":2064,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":2666,"indexable":179},367,"97905","You need the equipment.",2064.52,2066.02,"Rhetorical question and states 'você precisa do equipamento'.",{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":175,"text":2670,"start_s":2671,"end_s":2672,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},368,"97906","How are you going to put a pilot, rigorously trained in Brazil, to fly what?",2066.58,2071.22,{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":175,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},369,"97907","The submariner needs the submarine.",2071.36,2073.22,{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":175,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},370,"97908","The Gripens are arriving, right?",2073.26,2074.38,{"idx":2686,"utterance_id":2687,"speaker_name":175,"text":2688,"start_s":2689,"end_s":2690,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},371,"97909","Those boxes, but it's still too little for the...",2074.44,2075.62,{"idx":2692,"utterance_id":2693,"speaker_name":175,"text":2694,"start_s":2695,"end_s":2696,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2063,"target_proposition":2064,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2697,"indexable":179},372,"97910","They are arriving, but on a scale much smaller than what we need.",2075.66,2078.7,"Says equipment is arriving but at an insufficient scale.",{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":175,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2704,"target_proposition":2705,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2706,"indexable":179},373,"97911","Rodolfo, we have 17,000 kilometers of border.",2078.76,2082.32,"76e48463-afc8-44e4-9f40-6288b930b712","reinforce intelligence and border control","Reminds that the country has 17,000 km of border, contextualizing the need.",{"idx":2708,"utterance_id":2709,"speaker_name":175,"text":2710,"start_s":2711,"end_s":2712,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},374,"97912","Just with Bolivia, our border is larger than the United States' border with Mexico.",2082.82,2087.18,{"idx":2714,"utterance_id":2715,"speaker_name":175,"text":2716,"start_s":2717,"end_s":2718,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},375,"97913","But, Minister, if there is room in the budget and even from a political point of view to create the climate for a major investment in the military area...",2087.22,2094.52,{"idx":2720,"utterance_id":2721,"speaker_name":175,"text":2722,"start_s":2723,"end_s":2724,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},376,"97914","Yes, ma'am.",2094.68,2095.34,{"idx":2726,"utterance_id":2727,"speaker_name":175,"text":2722,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},377,"97915",2095.72,2096.32,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":175,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":389,"topic_slug":2736,"topic_label":2737,"target_id":2738,"target_proposition":2739,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1956,"rationale":2740,"indexable":405},378,"97916","When I was Minister of Defense and Minister of Science and Technology a little earlier, I hired a great English or American economist, Dr. Mariana Mazzucato, to study investment and innovation in the defense area.",2096.42,2111.54,"politica-de-defesa","Defense policy","551608aa-5402-4990-8a91-9b9e867267e1","invest in innovation and a defense industry with civilian applications","Reports having commissioned a study on defense innovation with civilian application.",{"idx":2742,"utterance_id":2743,"speaker_name":175,"text":2744,"start_s":2745,"end_s":2746,"word_count":472,"topic_slug":2736,"topic_label":2737,"target_id":2747,"target_proposition":2748,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":2749,"indexable":405},379,"97917","All investment in the defense area, in innovation, in the defense industry, is dual; it also has civilian application — as the United States does, where more than half of the United States' science, technology and innovation budget is for the defense area.",2112.28,2126.9,"ff7df808-e8f9-40c2-9e65-d8e9497715ed","prioritize defense, technology, and rare earths on the national agenda","argues that defense investment is dual-use and brings civil benefits.",{"idx":2751,"utterance_id":2752,"speaker_name":175,"text":2753,"start_s":2754,"end_s":2755,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},380,"97918","And from investment in the defense area came the internet and all those products, those applications that are out 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I secured a plot of land in Maranhão for the installation of the second fleet.",2137.52,2144.5,"8150fee1-4765-4d13-a9f0-f9ab67092d5a","expand naval infrastructure, including installation of a new squadron","states having prepared land for the installation of the second squadron in Maranhão.",{"idx":2781,"utterance_id":2782,"speaker_name":175,"text":2783,"start_s":2784,"end_s":2785,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},384,"97922","Brazil has a fleet located here in Rio de Janeiro.",2144.54,2147.88,{"idx":2787,"utterance_id":2788,"speaker_name":175,"text":2789,"start_s":2790,"end_s":2791,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},385,"97923","Brazil has a submarine base in Rio de Janeiro.",2148.22,2150.5,{"idx":2793,"utterance_id":2794,"speaker_name":175,"text":2795,"start_s":2796,"end_s":2797,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},386,"97924","It's very far from the Amazon.",2150.88,2152.6,{"idx":2799,"utterance_id":2800,"speaker_name":175,"text":2801,"start_s":2802,"end_s":2803,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2804,"target_proposition":2805,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":2806,"indexable":179},387,"97925","The Navy thinks that we can create a blockade line between Natal and Dakar, militarize Fernando de Noronha as an anchor.",2153.1,2166.78,"28e0de37-ca3e-4bb0-a082-186072a0a973","create a naval blockade line between Natal and Dakar and militarize Fernando de Noronha","reports a suggestion from the Navy about a blockade line and militarization of Noronha.",{"idx":2808,"utterance_id":2809,"speaker_name":175,"text":2810,"start_s":2811,"end_s":2812,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},388,"97926","for the Navy in case of emergency.",2167.3,2170.16,{"idx":2814,"utterance_id":2815,"speaker_name":175,"text":2816,"start_s":2817,"end_s":2818,"word_count":346,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2819,"target_proposition":2820,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1956,"rationale":2821,"indexable":405},389,"97927","I set aside the land there, transferred it from the Army to the Navy at a deep-water port near São Luís, to make the second base there near the Amazon.",2170.54,2183.18,"23523666-0b54-406a-a631-fc9425d0a503","establish strategic naval bases in the North region (near the Amazon)","claims to have transferred land and created a naval base in the region.",{"idx":2823,"utterance_id":2824,"speaker_name":175,"text":2825,"start_s":2826,"end_s":2827,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":2828,"topic_label":2829,"target_id":2830,"target_proposition":2831,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":2832,"indexable":405},390,"97928","You have to create an aerospace base in the north of the country, either in Boa Vista or in Tiriós.",2183.52,2190.86,"politica-espacial","Space Policy","c9610492-09f9-4cb1-8c0e-28d0fe07fa40","create an aerospace base in the country's north","explicitly says 'Você tem que criar uma base aeroespacial'.",{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":175,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2839,"target_proposition":2840,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":2841,"indexable":405},391,"97929","You have to multiply the number of border platoons.",2191.3,2193.78,"e221e28e-75ee-4fc2-bda9-b9b45a83bf15","increase the Federal Police personnel","uses 'Você tem que multiplicar os pelotões de fronteira' as a proposal.",{"idx":2843,"utterance_id":2844,"speaker_name":175,"text":2845,"start_s":2846,"end_s":2847,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},392,"97930","You have to... multiply the indigenous warfare 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right?",2206.12,2206.86,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":175,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2854,"target_proposition":2855,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":2869,"indexable":179},395,"97933","There are indigenous units of the Army.",2206.9,2209.42,"states the existence of indigenous units in the Army without opining.",{"idx":2871,"utterance_id":2872,"speaker_name":175,"text":2873,"start_s":2874,"end_s":2875,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2854,"target_proposition":2855,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":2876,"indexable":179},396,"97934","But far too few compared to what we need.",2209.66,2213.32,"says 'muito poucos', indicating the need for 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Republic, in this special Canal Livre election program.",2493.74,2500.04,{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":175,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},452,"97990","We're going to a break and we'll be back shortly.",2500.08,2501.9,{"idx":3238,"utterance_id":3239,"speaker_name":175,"text":3240,"start_s":3241,"end_s":3242,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},453,"97991","Don't go away because the program is debating various topics and we still have many questions up our sleeve.",2502.02,2506.66,{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":175,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},454,"97992","See you shortly.",2506.72,2506.96,{"idx":592,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":175,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},"97993","Here on Band News TV, you get more than the news; you get analysis of the 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matter.",2672.54,2675.16,{"idx":3408,"utterance_id":3409,"speaker_name":175,"text":3410,"start_s":3411,"end_s":3412,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},480,"98018","But the trend is that this process will reproduce that vote in the Constitution and Justice Committee, because all parties, both those of the government and of the opposition, are represented there.",2675.4,2687.48,{"idx":3414,"utterance_id":3415,"speaker_name":175,"text":3416,"start_s":3417,"end_s":3418,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},481,"98019","I saw the statement from the PL leader, deputy Sosten, saying that he would not make any counterpoint to that because he would not want to give a speech to the PT and to Lula.",2687.58,2697.08,{"idx":3420,"utterance_id":3421,"speaker_name":175,"text":3422,"start_s":3423,"end_s":3424,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},482,"98020","What do I think?",2697.68,2698.38,{"idx":3426,"utterance_id":3427,"speaker_name":175,"text":3428,"start_s":3429,"end_s":3430,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},483,"98021","What I think is that the essential discussion of the country is left out of this debate.",2698.9,2703.06,{"idx":3432,"utterance_id":3433,"speaker_name":175,"text":3434,"start_s":3435,"end_s":3436,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},484,"98022","What legislation is followed by the two countries that have grown the most or that have the strongest economies in the world?",2703.7,2714.38,{"idx":3438,"utterance_id":3439,"speaker_name":175,"text":3440,"start_s":3441,"end_s":3442,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},485,"98023","We should look.",2714.76,2715.52,{"idx":3444,"utterance_id":3445,"speaker_name":175,"text":3446,"start_s":3447,"end_s":3448,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},486,"98024","What is the Chinese norm?",2715.62,2717.1,{"idx":3450,"utterance_id":3451,"speaker_name":175,"text":3452,"start_s":3453,"end_s":3454,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},487,"98025","What is the US norm?",2717.14,2719.4,{"idx":3456,"utterance_id":3457,"speaker_name":175,"text":3458,"start_s":3459,"end_s":3460,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},488,"98026","How is labor productivity... guided by legislation that combines prerogatives and rights.",2719.92,2728.5,{"idx":3462,"utterance_id":3463,"speaker_name":175,"text":3464,"start_s":3465,"end_s":3466,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},489,"98027","China is the country that over the past ten years has increased wages the most in the world, has raised income the most in the world.",2729.12,2735.98,{"idx":3468,"utterance_id":3469,"speaker_name":175,"text":3470,"start_s":3471,"end_s":3472,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},490,"98028","With what kind of norm?",2736.78,2738.02,{"idx":3474,"utterance_id":3475,"speaker_name":175,"text":3476,"start_s":3477,"end_s":3478,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},491,"98029","With what kind of policy?",2738.42,2739.66,{"idx":3480,"utterance_id":3481,"speaker_name":175,"text":3482,"start_s":3483,"end_s":3484,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},492,"98030","Because the government, in the absence of a growth and development policy, adopted the path of offering a common aspiration.",2740.08,2749,{"idx":3486,"utterance_id":3487,"speaker_name":175,"text":3488,"start_s":3489,"end_s":3490,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},493,"98031","to work Monday to Friday and rest on Saturday and Sunday.",2752.9,2759.52,{"idx":3492,"utterance_id":3493,"speaker_name":175,"text":3494,"start_s":3495,"end_s":3496,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},494,"98032","But you have economic activities that require work on weekends, weekend shifts.",2759.7,2769.64,{"idx":3498,"utterance_id":3499,"speaker_name":175,"text":3500,"start_s":3501,"end_s":3502,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},495,"98033","That has to be included.",2769.7,2770.7,{"idx":3504,"utterance_id":3505,"speaker_name":175,"text":3506,"start_s":3507,"end_s":3508,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},496,"98034","And it's not only in commerce; it's in industry.",2770.76,2773.38,{"idx":3510,"utterance_id":3511,"speaker_name":175,"text":3512,"start_s":3513,"end_s":3514,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},497,"98035","All of this has to be reconciled.",2774,2775.94,{"idx":3516,"utterance_id":3517,"speaker_name":175,"text":3518,"start_s":3519,"end_s":3520,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},498,"98036","But I think the government doesn't have the idea...",2776.22,2778.66,{"idx":3522,"utterance_id":3523,"speaker_name":175,"text":3524,"start_s":3525,"end_s":3526,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},499,"98037","But Congress will handle this the way you just described.",2778.74,2781.74,{"idx":3528,"utterance_id":3529,"speaker_name":175,"text":3530,"start_s":3531,"end_s":3532,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},500,"98038","We'll see what Congress will do.",2782.18,2784.3,{"idx":3534,"utterance_id":3535,"speaker_name":175,"text":3536,"start_s":3537,"end_s":3538,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},501,"98039","I think that, in these cases, Congress always tends to adopt a moderating position, a mediating stance.",2784.58,2793.38,{"idx":3540,"utterance_id":3541,"speaker_name":175,"text":3542,"start_s":3543,"end_s":3544,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},502,"98040","And the government, which doesn't have a majority in Congress, generally tends to find a path of negotiation so as not to suffer any kind of defeat.",2793.66,2803.42,{"idx":3546,"utterance_id":3547,"speaker_name":175,"text":3548,"start_s":3549,"end_s":3550,"word_count":407,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3551,"target_proposition":3552,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":3553,"indexable":405},503,"98041","But I think it's an agenda that does not address the country's central and fundamental problem, which is to restart the economy, create jobs and generate income for the population, especially for young people.",2803.6,2818.44,"fd7c2e62-b345-4635-8763-ada676af6d1f","expand opportunities for income generation for the population","says the agenda must prioritize restoring the economy and jobs.",{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":175,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},504,"98042","But it will be on Congress's daily agenda.",2818.48,2820.12,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},505,"98043","I don't know exactly whether the vote will follow what happened in the CCJ (Constitution and Justice Committee).",2822.12,2826.46,{"idx":3567,"utterance_id":3568,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3569,"start_s":3570,"end_s":3571,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":3572,"topic_label":3573,"target_id":3574,"target_proposition":3575,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":3576,"indexable":405},506,"98044","To me, there's a defect of origin in this whole story.",2826.9,2829.52,"processo-legislativo","Legislative Process","db9dd5fc-321d-46fd-bb03-6785a71c8f67","approve the PEC that alters working hours","States there is a 'vício de origem' because it is a PEC.",{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},507,"98045","And what is the defect of origin?",2829.56,2830.22,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":3572,"topic_label":3573,"target_id":3574,"target_proposition":3575,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":3589,"indexable":179},508,"98046","The fact that it's a constitutional amendment (PEC).",2830.62,2831.3,"Declares explicitly 'não precisava ser uma PEC'.",{"idx":650,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},"98047","It didn't need to be a PEC.",2831.66,2832.7,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":175,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},510,"98048","The government is a project.",2833,2833.9,{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":175,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},511,"98049","The thing is that what passed in the CCJ is the PEC.",2834.1,2835.98,{"idx":3608,"utterance_id":3609,"speaker_name":175,"text":3610,"start_s":3611,"end_s":3612,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},512,"98050","It was the PEC, but the government was going to present a bill.",2836.1,2839.04,{"idx":3614,"utterance_id":3615,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3616,"start_s":3617,"end_s":3618,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":3572,"topic_label":3573,"target_id":3574,"target_proposition":3575,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":3619,"indexable":179},513,"98051","Since the PEC is moving forward, the little show is playing out around the PEC.",2839.44,2842.24,"Criticizes that 'o showzinho está rodando na PEC', rejecting the instrument.",{"idx":3621,"utterance_id":3622,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3623,"start_s":3624,"end_s":3625,"word_count":205,"indexable":179},514,"98052","And it seems to me that there is a desire among left-wing parliamentarians to promote themselves by discussing this, and among right-wing parliamentarians not to create rejection.",2842.32,2849.66,{"idx":3627,"utterance_id":3628,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3629,"start_s":3630,"end_s":3631,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},515,"98053","This is already the second time that an issue that's dear to the left has relied on the capitulation of the right.",2850.08,2854.32,{"idx":3633,"utterance_id":3634,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3635,"start_s":3636,"end_s":3637,"word_count":383,"indexable":179},516,"98054","The Bolsonarism within the PL of misogyny voted together with the left and then keeps pointing fingers at everyone and calls everyone a communist if you don't blindly support Bolsonaro.",2854.86,2862.02,{"idx":3639,"utterance_id":3640,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3641,"start_s":3642,"end_s":3643,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},517,"98055","Which is a cowardly act, a capitulation.",2862.36,2863.82,{"idx":3645,"utterance_id":3646,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3647,"start_s":3648,"end_s":3649,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},518,"98056","It even fits very well with Flávio Bolsonaro, who doesn't like to go on programs like this one and who has said publicly that he doesn't intend to show his proposals because that could cost him votes.",2864.22,2872.22,{"idx":3651,"utterance_id":3652,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3653,"start_s":3654,"end_s":3655,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},519,"98057","I have to say what is unpopular.",2873.08,2874.18,{"idx":3657,"utterance_id":3658,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3659,"start_s":3660,"end_s":3661,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":3344,"topic_label":3345,"target_id":3346,"target_proposition":3347,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":3662,"indexable":179},520,"98058","This bill, it's a sham.",2874.92,2877.16,"Labels the bill as 'picaretagem' and clearly opposes it.",{"idx":3664,"utterance_id":3665,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3666,"start_s":3667,"end_s":3668,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":3344,"topic_label":3345,"target_id":3346,"target_proposition":3347,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":3669,"indexable":405},521,"98059","And it's a sham aimed especially at urban workers who spend a good part of their day in traffic.",2877.54,2882.48,"Says that the bill takes advantage of the suffering of urban workers.",{"idx":3671,"utterance_id":3672,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3673,"start_s":3674,"end_s":3675,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},522,"98060","And it's someone who leaves the outskirts and goes to work downtown here in São Paulo, it takes two hours.",2883,2886.88,{"idx":3677,"utterance_id":3678,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3679,"start_s":3680,"end_s":3681,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},523,"98061","They lose two hours to go, two hours to come back.",2887.2,2888.7,{"idx":3683,"utterance_id":3684,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3685,"start_s":3686,"end_s":3687,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},524,"98062","When you look at it, they lose more than 20 hours a week just in transit.",2889.2,2892.22,{"idx":3689,"utterance_id":3690,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3691,"start_s":3692,"end_s":3693,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},525,"98063","They lose time with family, time with friends, time to get qualifications, time to take a course, training.",2892.3,2897.56,{"idx":3695,"utterance_id":3696,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3697,"start_s":3698,"end_s":3699,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},526,"98064","This person, in practice, suffers from this.",2897.86,2899.3,{"idx":3701,"utterance_id":3702,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3703,"start_s":3704,"end_s":3705,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},527,"98065","They took that pain and are trying to reconnect with the ordinary worker.",2899.38,2903.2,{"idx":3707,"utterance_id":3708,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3709,"start_s":3710,"end_s":3711,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},528,"98066","A connection they lost because they spent the last years only talking about 'I'm trans or I'm not', 'I'm a woman or I'm not.'",2903.52,2909.2,{"idx":3713,"utterance_id":3714,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3715,"start_s":3716,"end_s":3717,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},529,"98067","Some petty, Byzantine discussions that have no practical use for the worker.",2909.4,2912.48,{"idx":3719,"utterance_id":3720,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3721,"start_s":3722,"end_s":3723,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},530,"98068","And in polls, the PT has already commissioned research, they saw they are losing that worker.",2912.76,2916.34,{"idx":3725,"utterance_id":3726,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3727,"start_s":3728,"end_s":3729,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},531,"98069","So they pulled this issue simply to... start growing again electorally with that population.",2916.38,2921.08,{"idx":3731,"utterance_id":3732,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3733,"start_s":3734,"end_s":3735,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},532,"98070","I agree with Aldo in that we have to follow international legislation that is working, and not just the United States and China.",2921.7,2928.16,{"idx":3737,"utterance_id":3738,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3739,"start_s":3740,"end_s":3741,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},533,"98071","We are losing space in global production chains to Vietnam and India, and India is in an accelerated process of industrialization.",2928.2,2936.64,{"idx":3743,"utterance_id":3744,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3745,"start_s":3746,"end_s":3747,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},534,"98072","And when you look at the labor laws in all those places, they are much more flexible.",2936.98,2940.92,{"idx":3749,"utterance_id":3750,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3751,"start_s":3752,"end_s":3753,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},535,"98073","What I need to tell the Brazilian worker is that you need flexibility.",2941.32,2944.2,{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":205,"indexable":179},536,"98074","to make your contracts and your work, as happens in those other nations, where workers' incomes rise and formal employment increases.",2944.64,2950.62,{"idx":3761,"utterance_id":3762,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3763,"start_s":3764,"end_s":3765,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},537,"98075","Here formal employment decreases and workers' incomes are squeezed.",2950.96,2954.42,{"idx":3767,"utterance_id":3768,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3769,"start_s":3770,"end_s":3771,"word_count":421,"indexable":179},538,"98076","And it sounds to me, and it's what I saw in some Northeastern states, that it seems the government wants people to fall into informality and then receive a benefit and become dependent on the State.",2955.02,2963.52,{"idx":3773,"utterance_id":3774,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3775,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},539,"98077","I don't believe in that.",2963.86,2964.7,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":3344,"topic_label":3345,"target_id":3784,"target_proposition":3785,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":3786,"indexable":405},540,"98078","I defend formal work and regimes, from the point of view of the worker-company relationship, more flexible regimes.",2964.98,2972.34,"b0818086-8443-4973-908d-176323d830f1","simplify labor laws and create an hourly work regime to formalize the labor market","Explicitly declares 'Eu defendo...regimes mais flexíveis'.",{"idx":3788,"utterance_id":3789,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3790,"start_s":3791,"end_s":3792,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},541,"98079","Hiring someone, firing someone, it doesn't have to be such a drama, as it isn't in developed and developing nations.",2973.5,2979.3,{"idx":3794,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},542,"98080","But in Brazil it's always that drama.",2979.6,2980.76,{"idx":3800,"utterance_id":3801,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3802,"start_s":3803,"end_s":3804,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},543,"98081","And then whenever there's a drama, a populist appears trying to pick up votes off people's suffering.",2981.14,2985.68,{"idx":3806,"utterance_id":3807,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3808,"start_s":3809,"end_s":3810,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},544,"98082","I don't believe it, and unlike the Bolsonarist right, we will publicly oppose the bill.",2986,2990.52,{"idx":3812,"utterance_id":3813,"speaker_name":175,"text":3814,"start_s":3815,"end_s":3816,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},545,"98083","Let me put another subject on the table here, which is in the news every day; actually, we joke, right?",2990.92,2995.28,{"idx":3818,"utterance_id":3819,"speaker_name":175,"text":3820,"start_s":3821,"end_s":3822,"word_count":352,"indexable":179},546,"98084","I take part in the Gente newscast on Rádio Bandeirantes, on BandNews TV, and for some years... there hasn't been an edition of the newscast in which the acronym STF hasn't been mentioned.",2995.68,3006.84,{"idx":3824,"utterance_id":3825,"speaker_name":175,"text":3826,"start_s":3827,"end_s":3828,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},547,"98085","But if I look back 20, 30 years, what was said about the Supreme Court?",3007.24,3011.62,{"idx":3830,"utterance_id":3831,"speaker_name":175,"text":3832,"start_s":3833,"end_s":3834,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},548,"98086","Nothing, nothing.",3011.72,3012.48,{"idx":3836,"utterance_id":3837,"speaker_name":175,"text":3838,"start_s":3839,"end_s":3840,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},549,"98087","Sometimes people didn't even know who the minister was.",3012.66,3014.68,{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":175,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},550,"98088","Exactly, nothing.",3014.72,3015.38,{"idx":3848,"utterance_id":3849,"speaker_name":175,"text":3850,"start_s":3851,"end_s":3852,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},551,"98089","Who makes it up, who likes blue, who likes yellow.",3015.72,3019.34,{"idx":3854,"utterance_id":3855,"speaker_name":175,"text":3856,"start_s":3857,"end_s":3858,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},552,"98090","Today we know everything.",3019.66,3020.68,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":175,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},553,"98091","So I'd like to hear from the two pre-candidates here on Canal Livre about this.",3021.18,3024.42,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":175,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},554,"98092","The role of the Supreme Court, whether you think there is today some kind of dysfunction in the balance between the three branches.",3024.88,3030.54,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":175,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},555,"98093","If you reach the presidency of the Republic, what is in the hands of the Executive Branch to solve a problem, if it exists, in your view?",3031.54,3041.86,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":175,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},556,"98094","Let me start with Renan.",3042.32,3043.26,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":205,"indexable":179},557,"98095","Well, from 2012, when we were discussing embargos infringentes and the whole discussion about mention, we started hearing about the STF.",3044.06,3050.5,{"idx":3890,"utterance_id":3891,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3892,"start_s":3893,"end_s":3894,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},558,"98096","And today, it's 2026, World Cup year, we know the 11 of the STF, but we don't know the 11 who will be on the Brazilian national team.",3051.1,3056.56,{"idx":3896,"utterance_id":3897,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3898,"start_s":3899,"end_s":3900,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},559,"98097","And in fact Xandão and Neymar are the objects of national controversy.",3057.42,3061.22,{"idx":3902,"utterance_id":3903,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3904,"start_s":3905,"end_s":3906,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3907,"target_proposition":3908,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":3909,"indexable":405},560,"98098","But the truth is, the Supreme Court has to go back into its box.",3061.44,3064.18,"448bd8a1-a628-4544-8895-293e57aacfaa","limit the judiciary's intervention to what is provided in the Constitution and the law","Says 'o Supremo tem que voltar para sua caixinha', calling for limitation.",{"idx":3911,"utterance_id":3912,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3913,"start_s":3914,"end_s":3915,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3907,"target_proposition":3908,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":3916,"indexable":405},561,"98099","And that box is one where it deals with abstract themes, related to discussions about constitutionality, and not as the court of last resort in individual cases.",3064.76,3072.7,"Explains what they mean by the Supreme Court's 'caixinha' without new action.",{"idx":3918,"utterance_id":3919,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3920,"start_s":3921,"end_s":3922,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},562,"98100","The Brazilian Supreme Court receives about 8,000 cases.",3073.1,3075.62,{"idx":3924,"utterance_id":3925,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3926,"start_s":3927,"end_s":3928,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},563,"98101","The U.S. Supreme Court, 50.",3076.32,3077.56,{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3935,"target_proposition":3936,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":3937,"indexable":405},564,"98102","And I don't even agree with the U.S. Supreme Court model, which sometimes operates, let's say, as a court of last resort.",3077.68,3083.1,"562f281f-6d31-4c64-91ac-ad46b057ece7","demand that the STF impose and enforce its decisions on lower courts","Says 'eu nem concordo com o modelo da Suprema Corte Americana'.",{"idx":3939,"utterance_id":3940,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3941,"start_s":3942,"end_s":3943,"word_count":352,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3907,"target_proposition":3908,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":3944,"indexable":405},565,"98103","I think our model has to be about discussions that involve, look, is this a fundamental right or not, that law that passed, this right... That's all.",3083.58,3090.76,"Advocates a restricted model of the Supreme Court's competencies.",{"idx":3946,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3948,"start_s":3949,"end_s":3950,"word_count":170,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3907,"target_proposition":3908,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":3951,"indexable":405},566,"98104","Nowadays it's a business outfit, an entity that crosses all possible lines, whether with the Legislature or with the Executive Branch; currently it's an authoritarian instrument of its peers and it needs to be fought.",3091.3,3105.48,"Criticizes current performance as 'instrumento autoritário' and calls for combating it.",{"idx":3953,"utterance_id":3954,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3955,"start_s":3956,"end_s":3957,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},567,"98105","This week we saw a horror show from Minister Gilmar Mendes.",3106.02,3108.64,{"idx":3959,"utterance_id":3960,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3961,"start_s":3962,"end_s":3963,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},568,"98106","And look, he's reputed to be the most intelligent minister there, he studied in Germany, he speaks... He's the dean, he's the dean.",3109.14,3114.64,{"idx":3965,"utterance_id":3966,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3967,"start_s":3968,"end_s":3969,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},569,"98107","He's embarrassing himself.",3115.06,3116.18,{"idx":3971,"utterance_id":3972,"speaker_name":175,"text":3973,"start_s":3974,"end_s":3975,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},570,"98108","Now he gave a gift to Romeu Zema, your adversary.",3116.6,3119.76,{"idx":3977,"utterance_id":3978,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3979,"start_s":3980,"end_s":3981,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},571,"98109","That's right, Zema made a little AI video and he went crazy over the video.",3119.8,3123.4,{"idx":3983,"utterance_id":3984,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3985,"start_s":3986,"end_s":3987,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},572,"98110","This is insanity, what he did with Senator Alessandro Vieira, it's not normal.",3124.2,3128.32,{"idx":3989,"utterance_id":3990,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3991,"start_s":3992,"end_s":3993,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},573,"98111","Same thing with Alexandre de Moraes.",3128.48,3129.84,{"idx":3995,"utterance_id":3996,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3997,"start_s":3998,"end_s":3999,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},574,"98112","And then when they catch indecorous things, participations in the Banco Master scandal, they pretend to be crazy.",3130.18,3135.36,{"idx":4001,"utterance_id":4002,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4003,"start_s":4004,"end_s":4005,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},575,"98113","Alexandre de Moraes says, 'No, that contract with my wife didn't exist.'",3135.88,3138.52,{"idx":4007,"utterance_id":4008,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4009,"start_s":4010,"end_s":4011,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},576,"98114","How didn't it exist?",3138.58,3139.3,{"idx":4013,"utterance_id":4014,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4015,"start_s":4016,"end_s":4017,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},577,"98115","Then the Coaf comes in, 'no, no.'",3140,3141.16,{"idx":4019,"utterance_id":4020,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4021,"start_s":4022,"end_s":4023,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},578,"98116","There were 80 million there that were deposited.",3141.54,3143.26,{"idx":4025,"utterance_id":4026,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4027,"start_s":4028,"end_s":4029,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},579,"98117","Ah, so it existed.",3143.74,3144.48,{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},580,"98118","Ah, no, I never saw him.",3144.98,3145.8,{"idx":4037,"utterance_id":4038,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4039,"start_s":4040,"end_s":4041,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},581,"98119","Then they caught him: no, he was in Trancoso.",3145.92,3147.58,{"idx":4043,"utterance_id":4044,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4045,"start_s":4046,"end_s":4047,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},582,"98120","It's very dangerous to be in Trancoso with a vorcaro at a party, right?",3148.44,3152.08,{"idx":4049,"utterance_id":4050,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4051,"start_s":4052,"end_s":4053,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},583,"98121","But he was in Trancoso.",3152.4,3153.54,{"idx":4055,"utterance_id":4056,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4057,"start_s":4058,"end_s":4059,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},584,"98122","What has to happen to these people?",3154,3155.18,{"idx":4061,"utterance_id":4062,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4063,"start_s":4064,"end_s":4065,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4066,"target_proposition":4067,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4068,"indexable":405},585,"98123","First, a president of the republic who doesn't have compromising ties has to arrive, as was the case with Bolsonaro and as is the case with Lula, and go there and address the issue of impeaching STF ministers and a reform here.",3155.22,3165.18,"91f99995-78b5-4607-a9e5-58c681ef0008","carry out reform of the STF","Proposes the arrival of a president without 'rabo preso' and impeachment of ministers.",{"idx":4070,"utterance_id":4071,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4072,"start_s":4073,"end_s":4074,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4075,"target_proposition":4076,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4077,"indexable":405},586,"98124","End monocratic decisions, as happens in Brazil.",3165.78,3168.02,"24d7e4d8-b958-4da2-94ae-d0b21705d616","limit monocratic decisions by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","Says explicitly 'Acabe com as decisões monocráticas'.",{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4075,"target_proposition":4076,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":4084,"indexable":405},587,"98125","Eighty-three percent of the matters that reach there are resolved with monocratic decisions.",3168.04,3172.94,"Cites a statistic (83%) about single-judge decisions without new action.",{"idx":4086,"utterance_id":4087,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4088,"start_s":4089,"end_s":4090,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4091,"target_proposition":4092,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":4093,"indexable":405},588,"98126","Establish a maximum deadline for the requests for review that happen there.",3173.52,3177.12,"929af848-76cc-4ff6-a779-5a1907ccd4c8","set a maximum deadline for requests for review at the STF","Proposes 'Estabelecer um prazo máximo para os pedidos de vista'.",{"idx":4095,"utterance_id":4096,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4097,"start_s":4098,"end_s":4099,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4091,"target_proposition":4092,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":4100,"indexable":179},589,"98127","Prohibit them outright.",3177.52,3179,"Says 'Proibir de maneira perentória' after suggesting a deadline.",{"idx":4102,"utterance_id":4103,"speaker_name":175,"text":4104,"start_s":4105,"end_s":4106,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4091,"target_proposition":4092,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":4107,"indexable":405},590,"98128","That deadline already exists; it's 80 days now.",3179.48,3181.66,"Reports that there is already a current deadline of 80 days.",{"idx":4109,"utterance_id":4110,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4111,"start_s":4112,"end_s":4113,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":4091,"target_proposition":4092,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":4114,"indexable":179},591,"98129","But the problem is they're not complied with, and those who should oversee them—who are themselves—don't, and that's the kind of craziness that happens.",3181.72,3188.8,"Points to noncompliance with rules and lack of oversight.",{"idx":4116,"utterance_id":4117,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4118,"start_s":4119,"end_s":4120,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":4121,"topic_label":4122,"target_id":4123,"target_proposition":4124,"stance":1103,"stance_confidence":4125,"rationale":4126,"indexable":179},592,"98130","Another thing: law firms linked to relatives.",3189.8,3192.88,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ethics and Public Integrity","e6ef5158-ae86-4a13-9b06-c26e61ca5446","establish a code of conduct for STF ministers including a ban on offices linked to relatives",0.45,"Mentions law offices linked to relatives without proposing explicit action.",{"idx":4128,"utterance_id":4129,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4130,"start_s":4131,"end_s":4132,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":4133,"topic_label":4134,"target_id":4135,"target_proposition":4136,"stance":1103,"stance_confidence":1426,"rationale":4137,"indexable":179},593,"98131","Another thing... the so-called privileged forum.",3193.58,3196.16,"foro-privilegiado-corte-especial-para-parlamentares","Special Jurisdiction \u002F Special Court","b41fb6c9-19a6-49f4-9272-dfea3bb0c223","create a special court to judge deputies and senators","Raises the topic of 'foro privilegiado' without detailing a proposal.",{"idx":4139,"utterance_id":4140,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4141,"start_s":4142,"end_s":4143,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},594,"98132","The code of conduct.",3196.2,3197.26,{"idx":4145,"utterance_id":4146,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4147,"start_s":4148,"end_s":4149,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},595,"98133","It's a discussion that's going on there.",3197.3,3198.46,{"idx":4151,"utterance_id":4152,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4153,"start_s":4154,"end_s":4155,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":4121,"topic_label":4122,"target_id":4123,"target_proposition":4124,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4156,"indexable":405},596,"98134","I think the code of conduct is essential and that also includes the prohibition of law firms linked to family members.",3198.52,3203.94,"Says 'acho essencial' and proposes disallowing family members.",{"idx":4158,"utterance_id":4159,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4160,"start_s":4161,"end_s":4162,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},597,"98135","The other point that I think is also important.",3204.22,3205.78,{"idx":4164,"utterance_id":4165,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4166,"start_s":4167,"end_s":4168,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":4133,"topic_label":4134,"target_id":4135,"target_proposition":4136,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":4169,"indexable":405},598,"98136","Is that it should not be the court that handles that so-called privileged forum.",3206.66,3209.2,"Claims the current court should not handle the forum and criticizes its competence.",{"idx":4171,"utterance_id":4172,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4173,"start_s":4174,"end_s":4175,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":4176,"topic_label":4177,"target_id":4178,"target_proposition":4179,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":4180,"indexable":179},599,"98137","Today, let's be honest, deputies and senators don't talk about the matter and will not pursue the impeachment of a minister of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",3209.62,3214.98,"investigacao-e-responsabilizacao-judicial","Investigation and Judicial Accountability","5959294f-f900-447b-830e-87ca3bb6d207","promote impeachment of magistrates of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","States that deputies and senators 'não vão tocar impeachment' (description).",{"idx":4182,"utterance_id":4183,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4184,"start_s":4185,"end_s":4186,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4187,"target_proposition":4188,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":4189,"indexable":179},600,"98138","As a matter of fact, Flávio Bolsonaro won't pursue it because he is beholden to Gilmar Mendes and Dias Toffoli.",3215.42,3219.52,"8d8a7645-160a-4260-b5f8-626a9e713f23","investigate suspicions involving ministers of the Supreme Federal Tribunal","Alleges a 'rabo preso' link between parliamentarians and ministers without proposing action.",{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},601,"98139","He owes them a favor.",3219.56,3220.46,{"idx":4197,"utterance_id":4198,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4199,"start_s":4200,"end_s":4201,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},602,"98140","Because everyone is under those guys' control.",3221.1,3222.86,{"idx":4203,"utterance_id":4204,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4205,"start_s":4206,"end_s":4207,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4210,"target_proposition":4211,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":625,"rationale":4212,"indexable":405},603,"98141","We need to create a specific court to handle these cases.",3222.9,3226.32,"reforma-do-judiciario-stf","Judicial reform","a3022516-e07d-48f7-987d-8f3d7b6732b9","create a special court to try deputies and senators (privileged-forum cases)","Says explicitly 'Precisamos criar uma corte específica'.",{"idx":4214,"utterance_id":4215,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4216,"start_s":4217,"end_s":4218,"word_count":472,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":4219,"target_proposition":4220,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":4221,"indexable":405},604,"98142","And there is another issue, which is also important to Minister Aldo, which is the case of NGOs that lobby together — let's name them — with sustainability networks, with PSOL, that go there and keep blocking works, stopping projects that are approved.",3226.62,3237.38,"d12d9094-a74e-4156-8b63-e9fee530855b","regulate NGO activity in environmental licensing processes","Claims that NGOs 'brecam obras' and lobby; describes the problem.",{"idx":4223,"utterance_id":4224,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4225,"start_s":4226,"end_s":4227,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},605,"98143","You'll see, just wait.",3237.64,3239.42,{"idx":4229,"utterance_id":4230,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4231,"start_s":4232,"end_s":4233,"word_count":275,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":4234,"target_proposition":4235,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":4236,"indexable":179},606,"98144","The attempt at sabotage will be the environmental licensing that we will see in the coming months.",3239.76,3242.86,"8d7b64b0-5b92-4dea-bfbb-6f7639d7eb0a","avoid the judicialization of environmental permitting","States there is an attempt to sabotage environmental licensing.",{"idx":4238,"utterance_id":4239,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4240,"start_s":4241,"end_s":4242,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":4234,"target_proposition":4235,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":4243,"indexable":179},607,"98145","They will try to sabotage environmental licensing, which will get a lot of projects moving in Brazil, simply because they can.",3243.12,3247.78,"Repeats that they will try to sabotage licensing to stall construction works.",{"idx":4245,"utterance_id":4246,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4247,"start_s":4248,"end_s":4249,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":4250,"target_proposition":4251,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":4252,"indexable":179},608,"98146","Because there is an international agenda funded by NGOs run and financed by our international competitors that will try to use the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) to sabotage the country.",3248.16,3254.48,"36f1a790-49e7-4939-b4eb-34e6f4f939d6","prevent foreign funding of NGOs that interfere in environmental licensing","alleges international funding of NGOs to use the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) against public works.",{"idx":4254,"utterance_id":4255,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4256,"start_s":4257,"end_s":4258,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},609,"98147","We cannot allow it.",3254.84,3255.56,{"idx":4260,"utterance_id":4261,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4262,"start_s":4263,"end_s":4264,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":426,"topic_label":427,"target_id":4234,"target_proposition":4235,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4265,"indexable":179},610,"98148","I, as President of the Republic, will not allow it.",3255.9,3257.6,"promises 'Eu, como presidente, não deixarei' (executive commitment).",{"idx":4267,"utterance_id":4268,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4269,"start_s":4270,"end_s":4271,"word_count":358,"topic_slug":4272,"topic_label":4273,"target_id":4274,"target_proposition":4275,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":4276,"indexable":405},611,"98149","And we must have, let's say, a policy that empowers the Executive now, because people vote for the President of the Republic, and that restores the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) to its natural functions.",3257.98,3266,"separacao-de-poderes","Separation of Powers","17afdb6f-45a0-4564-ba9f-2245fe799c4c","allow the Executive and National Congress to regulate limits on the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)'s actions","calls for a 'política que empodere o Executivo' and to put the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) back.",{"idx":4278,"utterance_id":4279,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4280,"start_s":4281,"end_s":4282,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4283,"topic_label":4284,"target_id":4285,"target_proposition":4286,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":4287,"indexable":405},612,"98150","The Legislative as well, and so I ask people to vote properly this year: there mustn't be clowns, there must be courageous and upright people to address this matter intelligently.",3266.64,3275.34,"democracia-e-representacao","Democracy and Representation","587e7b7c-c5fa-4136-936b-121058170974","elect better senators and deputies","exhorts the public to 'votar direito este ano' for honest candidates.",{"idx":4289,"utterance_id":4290,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4291,"start_s":4292,"end_s":4293,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":4283,"topic_label":4284,"target_id":4285,"target_proposition":4286,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":4294,"indexable":405},613,"98151","This is what I call on the Brazilian people to do.",3275.8,3277.38,"urges the public to vote for honest people.",{"idx":4296,"utterance_id":4297,"speaker_name":175,"text":4298,"start_s":4299,"end_s":4300,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":4303,"target_proposition":4304,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":4305,"indexable":179},614,"98152","Now, there is a fundamental issue, which would be political reform.",3277.42,3281.32,"reforma-politica","Political Reform","e25a7b17-9100-4c3e-9418-7d7515b6d50f","promote political reform to modernize the political system","introduces the topic 'reforma política' without detailing a position.",{"idx":4307,"utterance_id":4308,"speaker_name":175,"text":4309,"start_s":4310,"end_s":4311,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},615,"98153","Our political representation in Brazil is entirely flawed.",3282.22,3285.68,{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":175,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},616,"98154","It does not represent what it should represent.",3285.74,3288.16,{"idx":4319,"utterance_id":4320,"speaker_name":175,"text":4321,"start_s":4322,"end_s":4323,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":4324,"target_proposition":4325,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4326,"indexable":405},617,"98155","There are some very good bills languishing over there, proposing single-member district voting, a mixed system like in Germany, proposing list voting.",3289.52,3298.12,"1d573ffd-53bf-4550-9b89-b632f07512f0","implement mixed-member district voting (mixed system)","explicitly proposes 'sistema misto, como na Alemanha'.",{"idx":4328,"utterance_id":4329,"speaker_name":175,"text":4330,"start_s":4331,"end_s":4332,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":4324,"target_proposition":4325,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4333,"indexable":179},618,"98156","This should come back now.",3298.64,3300.34,"says 'Isso deve voltar agora' referring to the mixed system.",{"idx":4335,"utterance_id":4336,"speaker_name":175,"text":4337,"start_s":4338,"end_s":4339,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},619,"98157","I'd like to know your opinion.",3300.78,3302.22,{"idx":4341,"utterance_id":4342,"speaker_name":175,"text":4343,"start_s":4344,"end_s":4345,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},620,"98158","Single-member district voting — are you in?",3302.86,3304.18,{"idx":4347,"utterance_id":4348,"speaker_name":175,"text":4349,"start_s":4350,"end_s":4351,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},621,"98159","Not going to?",3304.54,3304.92,{"idx":4353,"utterance_id":4354,"speaker_name":175,"text":4355,"start_s":4356,"end_s":4357,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},622,"98160","Does the current voting system work?",3305.32,3307.26,{"idx":4359,"utterance_id":4360,"speaker_name":175,"text":4361,"start_s":4362,"end_s":4363,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":4364,"target_proposition":4365,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":4366,"indexable":179},623,"98161","Of course it doesn't work.",3307.34,3308.28,"e15754b0-6e0e-4590-9f74-58e0838cce47","reform the current electoral system","says 'Claro que não funciona' about the current voting system, calling for change.",{"idx":4368,"utterance_id":4369,"speaker_name":175,"text":4370,"start_s":4371,"end_s":4372,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},624,"98162","Do you agree with that?",3308.4,3309.58,{"idx":4374,"utterance_id":4375,"speaker_name":175,"text":4376,"start_s":4377,"end_s":4378,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":4379,"target_proposition":4380,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":4381,"indexable":405},625,"98163","And later we'll also talk about a total change in the executive-legislative relationship.",3310,3314.16,"c8415808-841d-40bf-aa1f-8fbeb06aca9d","alter the relationship between the Executive and the Legislature","proposes 'mudança total da relação executiva e legislativa'.",{"idx":4383,"utterance_id":4384,"speaker_name":175,"text":4385,"start_s":4386,"end_s":4387,"word_count":346,"indexable":179},626,"98164","But let me also hear... Otherwise Aldo... He won't miss this opportunity to speak about the STF and to add his views on the Brazilian political model.",3314.2,3323,{"idx":4389,"utterance_id":4390,"speaker_name":175,"text":4391,"start_s":4392,"end_s":4393,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},627,"98165","To hear Aldo also about the STF and its role.",3323.04,3325.58,{"idx":4395,"utterance_id":4396,"speaker_name":175,"text":4397,"start_s":4398,"end_s":4399,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":4272,"topic_label":4273,"target_id":4400,"target_proposition":4401,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":4402,"indexable":405},628,"98166","The problem is that we are experiencing a process of legal uncertainty in the country that has become institutional insecurity.",3325.78,3334.98,"034c2b0c-5f01-4235-86c3-94078f38ea56","reduce legal and institutional uncertainty caused by court decisions","describes the existence of legal and institutional insecurity.",{"idx":4404,"utterance_id":4405,"speaker_name":175,"text":4406,"start_s":4407,"end_s":4408,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4409,"target_proposition":4410,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4411,"indexable":405},629,"98167","Institutional security is compromised because there are no limits in the relationship between the branches, since the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) has become the power of powers.",3335.92,3345.16,"6e4ff132-cd19-4030-9ac2-70e46fb0b34a","limit the powers of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","says the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) 'subtrai atribuições' and needs to be limited.",{"idx":4413,"utterance_id":4414,"speaker_name":175,"text":4415,"start_s":4416,"end_s":4417,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},630,"98168","It takes powers away from the Executive, it takes powers away from the Legislative.",3345.7,3350.92,{"idx":4419,"utterance_id":4420,"speaker_name":175,"text":4421,"start_s":4422,"end_s":4423,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},631,"98169","And what I can say, in summary, is the following.",3351.62,3353.4,{"idx":4425,"utterance_id":4426,"speaker_name":175,"text":4427,"start_s":4428,"end_s":4429,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},632,"98170","Under these circumstances, with this STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), Brazil is ungovernable.",3353.6,3356.7,{"idx":4431,"utterance_id":4432,"speaker_name":175,"text":4433,"start_s":4434,"end_s":4435,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},633,"98171","President Lula will now appoint, if he appoints Dr. Messias, the 11th minister of the STF from his administrations.",3357.28,3363.1,{"idx":4437,"utterance_id":4438,"speaker_name":175,"text":4439,"start_s":4440,"end_s":4441,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},634,"98172","With five more who were appointed by President Dilma, that makes 16 ministers of the STF from the same political group.",3363.58,3370.38,{"idx":4443,"utterance_id":4444,"speaker_name":175,"text":4445,"start_s":4446,"end_s":4447,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},635,"98173","Any President of the Republic who tries to confront that orientation — PSOL, an NGO — goes to the STF and the decision is overturned.",3370.78,3380.56,{"idx":4449,"utterance_id":4450,"speaker_name":175,"text":4451,"start_s":4452,"end_s":4453,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},636,"98174","How did they suspend Ferrogrão?",3380.9,3382.26,{"idx":4455,"utterance_id":4456,"speaker_name":175,"text":4457,"start_s":4458,"end_s":4459,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},637,"98175","Ferrogrão is an action by an NGO together with an insignificant party and the Public Prosecutor's Office.",3382.56,3387.24,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":175,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4409,"target_proposition":4410,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4465,"indexable":405},"98176","So, either you confront, and confront — not with bravado, not with threats — you confront this relationship institutionally.",3387.8,3396.38,"advocates 'confrontar institucionalmente' in the relationship between branches of power.",{"idx":4467,"utterance_id":4468,"speaker_name":175,"text":4469,"start_s":4470,"end_s":4471,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},639,"98177","Or no one will govern Brazil.",3396.78,3398.42,{"idx":4473,"utterance_id":4474,"speaker_name":175,"text":4475,"start_s":4476,"end_s":4477,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},640,"98178","And this must be done on January 1st.",3398.56,3401.78,{"idx":4479,"utterance_id":4480,"speaker_name":175,"text":4481,"start_s":4482,"end_s":4483,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},641,"98179","This is urgent.",3401.86,3403.02,{"idx":4485,"utterance_id":4486,"speaker_name":175,"text":4487,"start_s":4488,"end_s":4489,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4490,"target_proposition":4491,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4492,"indexable":405},642,"98180","Because if you do not remove this action from an STF that judges itself above the Constitution, if a President of the Republic does not at some point come and say the following: 'I am prevented from complying with this STF decision because it violates the Constitution.'",3403.48,3420.58,"c74f2fd2-6386-44d6-976f-10a69a0c938c","refuse to comply with STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) decisions that violate the Constitution","proposes that the president declare an impediment to comply with a judicial decision.",{"idx":4494,"utterance_id":4495,"speaker_name":175,"text":4496,"start_s":4497,"end_s":4498,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},643,"98181","Because the idea that has been created is that... The Executive and the Legislative are subject to the Constitution and the STF is the Constitution.",3420.9,3428.76,{"idx":4500,"utterance_id":4501,"speaker_name":175,"text":4502,"start_s":4503,"end_s":4504,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},644,"98182","No, the STF is as subject to the Constitution as the Executive and the Legislative are.",3428.94,3436.22,{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":175,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},645,"98183","But that idea is not what prevails in Brazil.",3436.76,3438.88,{"idx":4512,"utterance_id":4513,"speaker_name":175,"text":4514,"start_s":4515,"end_s":4516,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},646,"98184","So, the first step is to confront this situation.",3439.04,3442.12,{"idx":4518,"utterance_id":4519,"speaker_name":175,"text":4520,"start_s":4521,"end_s":4522,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},647,"98185","There is a gravity to this, isn't there, minister?",3442.66,3444.16,{"idx":4524,"utterance_id":4525,"speaker_name":175,"text":4526,"start_s":4527,"end_s":4528,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},648,"98186","Do you think that, in some cases, the Executive could confront decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",3444.2,3448.62,{"idx":4530,"utterance_id":4531,"speaker_name":175,"text":2722,"start_s":4532,"end_s":4533,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},649,"98187",3448.66,3449.24,{"idx":4535,"utterance_id":4536,"speaker_name":175,"text":4537,"start_s":4538,"end_s":4539,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4490,"target_proposition":4491,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4540,"indexable":179},650,"98188","And it should do that.",3449.32,3450.42,"answers 'E deve fazer isso' about confronting decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",{"idx":4542,"utterance_id":4543,"speaker_name":175,"text":4544,"start_s":4545,"end_s":4546,"word_count":199,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4547,"target_proposition":4548,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":4549,"indexable":405},651,"98189","An STF minister tells the President of the Republic that he cannot appoint so-and-so to the ministry, as happened with President Dilma, as happened with President Michel Temer, or as happened with President Bolsonaro in the case of the delegate.",3451.3,3464.62,"5b1df743-a19a-4327-b6f2-b5dc0240a9b7","refuse to obey STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) decisions that restrict presidential appointments","states 'não tem por que obedecer' decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) regarding appointments.",{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":175,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},652,"98190","He has no reason to obey such a decision.",3464.98,3467.04,{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":175,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},653,"98191","That decision is unconstitutional.",3467.34,3468.54,{"idx":4563,"utterance_id":4564,"speaker_name":175,"text":4565,"start_s":4566,"end_s":4567,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},654,"98192","The Constitution provides that appointing ministers is a power of the President of the Republic.",3468.96,3473.92,{"idx":4569,"utterance_id":4570,"speaker_name":175,"text":4571,"start_s":4572,"end_s":4573,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},655,"98193","If he is going to appoint a problematic minister, he will certainly answer for that.",3474.16,3478.46,{"idx":4575,"utterance_id":4576,"speaker_name":175,"text":4577,"start_s":4578,"end_s":4579,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},656,"98194","That decision does not belong to the STF.",3479.02,3480.5,{"idx":4581,"utterance_id":4582,"speaker_name":175,"text":4583,"start_s":4584,"end_s":4585,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},657,"98195","Unfortunately, that's what has been happening.",3480.64,3482.02,{"idx":4587,"utterance_id":4588,"speaker_name":175,"text":4589,"start_s":4590,"end_s":4591,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":4592,"topic_label":4593,"target_id":4594,"target_proposition":4595,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":4596,"indexable":405},658,"98196","The STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) made a decision on the marco temporal, confronting the Constitution itself, which is there in the article, I think it's 231, saying that this marco temporal exists.",3482.54,3493.08,"desmatamento-amazonia-e-politicas-indigenas","Deforestation, Amazon & Indigenous","6babc1df-ff56-4b0f-9850-94db316056af","resolve conflicts between STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) decisions and National Congress rulings on the marco temporal","reports a conflict between decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) and the National Congress.",{"idx":4598,"utterance_id":4599,"speaker_name":175,"text":4600,"start_s":4601,"end_s":4602,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},659,"98197","Congress made another decision reaffirming the marco temporal.",3494.98,3498.14,{"idx":4604,"utterance_id":4605,"speaker_name":175,"text":4606,"start_s":4607,"end_s":4608,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},660,"98198","The STF makes another decision saying it doesn't exist and you have in the country two conflicting decisions from two distinct powers on the same matter.",3498.32,3511.54,{"idx":4610,"utterance_id":4611,"speaker_name":175,"text":4612,"start_s":4613,"end_s":4614,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},661,"98199","This is a kind of institutional anarchy.",3512.08,3514.78,{"idx":4616,"utterance_id":4617,"speaker_name":175,"text":4618,"start_s":4619,"end_s":4620,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},662,"98200","This has to be confronted and resolved.",3514.82,3516.76,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":175,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4627,"target_proposition":4628,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":4629,"indexable":405},663,"98201","Because if you do not start with the STF, you decide to say the following: the Public Prosecutor's Office can no longer persecute investors.",3516.84,3526.28,"1f58c766-a7fd-4222-aa7b-e555b98c3970","restrict STF's role to strictly constitutional matters and implement internal reforms (including a code of ethics)","warns that without confrontation the MP, Ibama and Funai will be limited by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",{"idx":4631,"utterance_id":4632,"speaker_name":175,"text":4633,"start_s":4634,"end_s":4635,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},664,"98202","It can no longer persecute, as it does today.",3526.6,3528,{"idx":4637,"utterance_id":4638,"speaker_name":175,"text":4639,"start_s":4640,"end_s":4641,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},665,"98203","The STF will say it cannot.",3528.8,3529.88,{"idx":4643,"utterance_id":4644,"speaker_name":175,"text":4645,"start_s":4646,"end_s":4647,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},666,"98204","Ibama can no longer demarcate conservation units.",3531.06,3533.44,{"idx":4649,"utterance_id":4650,"speaker_name":175,"text":4651,"start_s":4652,"end_s":4653,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},667,"98205","The STF will say it can.",3533.48,3534.46,{"idx":4655,"utterance_id":4656,"speaker_name":175,"text":4657,"start_s":4658,"end_s":4659,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},668,"98206","FUNAI can no longer demarcate indigenous land where there are no indigenous people, as has been happening.",3535.88,3539.98,{"idx":4661,"utterance_id":4662,"speaker_name":175,"text":4651,"start_s":4663,"end_s":4664,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},669,"98207",3541.1,3542.1,{"idx":4666,"utterance_id":4667,"speaker_name":175,"text":4668,"start_s":4669,"end_s":4670,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},670,"98208","So you have to confront, first and foremost, this STF corporation.",3542.22,3546,{"idx":4672,"utterance_id":4673,"speaker_name":175,"text":4674,"start_s":4675,"end_s":4676,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},671,"98209","But do you advocate pure and simple confrontation or a change in legislation?",3546.24,3550.88,{"idx":4678,"utterance_id":4679,"speaker_name":175,"text":4680,"start_s":4681,"end_s":4682,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},672,"98210","That is, the STF takes a decision and the President of the Republic says that he will not comply.",3551.62,3555.56,{"idx":4684,"utterance_id":4685,"speaker_name":175,"text":4686,"start_s":4687,"end_s":4688,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},673,"98211","That's confrontation.",3555.98,3556.8,{"idx":4690,"utterance_id":4691,"speaker_name":175,"text":4692,"start_s":4693,"end_s":4694,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},674,"98212","How would one prepare the path so that one can take that step without it being an institutional confrontation?",3557.24,3563.86,{"idx":4696,"utterance_id":4697,"speaker_name":175,"text":4698,"start_s":4699,"end_s":4700,"word_count":670,"indexable":179},675,"98213","Will the STF back down from its commanding power over the country and decide in place of the President of the Republic? Right now, the government is broke, because the country is broke — it didn't wait until 2027, it broke now — the government has no money for the universities, there are 50 universities on strike, there is no money to get the Air Force planes flying, no money to get the agencies to function, Brazil is suffering a blackout.",3564.38,3590.56,{"idx":4702,"utterance_id":4703,"speaker_name":175,"text":4704,"start_s":4705,"end_s":4706,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},676,"98214","What does the government do?",3590.6,3591.5,{"idx":4708,"utterance_id":4709,"speaker_name":175,"text":4710,"start_s":4711,"end_s":4712,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},677,"98215","It implements budgetary contingencies.",3591.9,3593.34,{"idx":4714,"utterance_id":4715,"speaker_name":175,"text":4716,"start_s":4717,"end_s":4718,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},678,"98216","Then a minister came and said, no, you may contingency everything except the money of the Public Prosecutor's Office.",3593.94,3597.72,{"idx":4720,"utterance_id":4721,"speaker_name":175,"text":4722,"start_s":4723,"end_s":4724,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},679,"98217","So the Public Prosecutor's Office is more important than health, education, transport, housing, security, defense.",3598.06,3602.46,{"idx":4726,"utterance_id":4727,"speaker_name":175,"text":4728,"start_s":4729,"end_s":4730,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},680,"98218","Then another minister came and said, fine, but you also cannot contingency the funds of the environment area, the funds of the Ministry of the Environment.",3603.02,3609.44,{"idx":4732,"utterance_id":4733,"speaker_name":175,"text":4734,"start_s":4735,"end_s":4736,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},681,"98219","This is an Executive decision.",3610.08,3611.86,{"idx":4738,"utterance_id":4739,"speaker_name":175,"text":4740,"start_s":4741,"end_s":4742,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},682,"98220","The distribution of resources after being voted in Congress, in the budget, belongs to the Executive; it is not the STF's.",3612.8,3620.6,{"idx":4744,"utterance_id":4745,"speaker_name":175,"text":4746,"start_s":4747,"end_s":4748,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},683,"98221","The President of the Republic has to face this situation.",3620.64,3623.36,{"idx":4750,"utterance_id":4751,"speaker_name":175,"text":4752,"start_s":4753,"end_s":4754,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":4208,"topic_label":4209,"target_id":4409,"target_proposition":4410,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":4755,"indexable":405},684,"98222","And instead of this paralysis, this institutional anarchy, often confrontation is indeed better.",3624.16,3630.44,"explicitly declares 'é melhor o confronto mesmo'.",{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":175,"text":4759,"start_s":4760,"end_s":4761,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},685,"98223","And we'll see what happens.",3630.58,3631.68,{"idx":4763,"utterance_id":4764,"speaker_name":175,"text":684,"start_s":4765,"end_s":4766,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},686,"98224",3631.98,3632.26,{"idx":4768,"utterance_id":4769,"speaker_name":175,"text":4770,"start_s":4771,"end_s":4772,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},687,"98225","Because this is what's happening to the country.",3632.44,3635.1,{"idx":4774,"utterance_id":4775,"speaker_name":175,"text":4776,"start_s":4777,"end_s":4778,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},688,"98226","That's what... You may continue.",3635.54,3638.4,{"idx":4780,"utterance_id":4781,"speaker_name":175,"text":4782,"start_s":4783,"end_s":4784,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},689,"98227","The STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is an important institution, but it has become an institution that is absolutely the protagonist of everything.",3638.54,3645.34,{"idx":4786,"utterance_id":4787,"speaker_name":175,"text":4788,"start_s":4789,"end_s":4790,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},690,"98228","I campaigned for amnesty, for a constituent assembly, for democratic freedoms.",3645.68,3650.98,{"idx":4792,"utterance_id":4793,"speaker_name":175,"text":4794,"start_s":4795,"end_s":4796,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},691,"98229","I didn't even know the name of the STF minister.",3651.58,3653.42,{"idx":4798,"utterance_id":4799,"speaker_name":175,"text":4800,"start_s":4801,"end_s":4802,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},692,"98230","The 1979 amnesty was negotiated between President Figueiredo's government and Congress, with the country mobilizing, amnesty committees, mobilizations.",3654.16,3664.48,{"idx":4804,"utterance_id":4805,"speaker_name":175,"text":4806,"start_s":4807,"end_s":4808,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},693,"98231","I didn't see an STF minister speak out about that.",3665.22,3668.66,{"idx":4810,"utterance_id":4811,"speaker_name":175,"text":4812,"start_s":4813,"end_s":4814,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},694,"98232","That was a matter for politics, for Congress, for the government.",3668.7,3671.38,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4816,"speaker_name":175,"text":4817,"start_s":4818,"end_s":4819,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},"98233","Not now.",3671.78,3672.14,{"idx":4821,"utterance_id":4822,"speaker_name":175,"text":4823,"start_s":4824,"end_s":4825,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},696,"98234","The STF wants to decide on everything, to meddle in everything.",3672.18,3674.94,{"idx":4827,"utterance_id":4828,"speaker_name":175,"text":4829,"start_s":4830,"end_s":4831,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},697,"98235","And this generates institutional insecurity.",3675.4,3678.3,{"idx":4833,"utterance_id":4834,"speaker_name":175,"text":4835,"start_s":4836,"end_s":4837,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4121,"topic_label":4122,"target_id":4838,"target_proposition":4839,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":4840,"indexable":179},698,"98236","Minister, today we know not only the name of the STF minister, but also the name of the minister's wife, the name of the minister's family's resort.",3678.96,3688.5,"ee367b8f-b68a-4ad2-94fe-faa7d61de0f5","investigate conflicts of interest and personal relationships of STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) ministers","points to the exposure of ministers' names and personal relationships.",{"idx":4842,"utterance_id":4843,"speaker_name":175,"text":4844,"start_s":4845,"end_s":4846,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},699,"98237","So, let's go, right?",3688.54,3689.14,{"idx":4848,"utterance_id":4849,"speaker_name":175,"text":4850,"start_s":4851,"end_s":4852,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},700,"98238","And this leads to a very serious issue, to conclude, which is the following: the separation between power and authority.",3689.82,3697.06,{"idx":4854,"utterance_id":4855,"speaker_name":175,"text":4856,"start_s":4857,"end_s":4858,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},701,"98239","Power is granted by a norm; the Constitution grants power to a justice of the STF, to the President of the Republic, to a deputy.",3697.42,3703.94,{"idx":4860,"utterance_id":4861,"speaker_name":175,"text":4862,"start_s":4863,"end_s":4864,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},702,"98240","to the governor.",3704.2,3704.82,{"idx":4866,"utterance_id":4867,"speaker_name":175,"text":4868,"start_s":4869,"end_s":4870,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},703,"98241","Authority is granted by one's biography, by a certain kind of behavior.",3705.26,3709.9,{"idx":4872,"utterance_id":4873,"speaker_name":175,"text":4874,"start_s":4875,"end_s":4876,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},704,"98242","And we, in Brazil, are witnessing power going one way, maintained by the norm, by the law, by the Constitution, while authority is draining away.",3710.62,3722.26,{"idx":4878,"utterance_id":4879,"speaker_name":175,"text":4880,"start_s":4881,"end_s":4882,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},705,"98243","Especially...",3722.62,3723.3,{"idx":4884,"utterance_id":4885,"speaker_name":175,"text":4886,"start_s":4887,"end_s":4888,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},706,"98244","Let me just... Yes,",3724.76,3726.7,{"idx":4890,"utterance_id":4891,"speaker_name":175,"text":4892,"start_s":4893,"end_s":4894,"word_count":517,"indexable":179},707,"98245","just to balance the timing, I'll ask Renan to answer the question about political reform, whether you think district voting could be a way forward or not, and then I'll go along with that answer and we'll follow up afterwards, because I need to balance the time here.",3726.86,3739.86,{"idx":852,"utterance_id":4896,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4897,"start_s":4898,"end_s":4899,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},"98246","No, no, perfect.",3739.9,3740.32,{"idx":4901,"utterance_id":4902,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4903,"start_s":4904,"end_s":4905,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},709,"98247","Can I chime in, make a clear case about what we're discussing here?",3740.36,3743.12,{"idx":4907,"utterance_id":4908,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4909,"start_s":4910,"end_s":4911,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},710,"98248","This issue about the STF is very important.",3743.24,3744.4,{"idx":4913,"utterance_id":4914,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4915,"start_s":4916,"end_s":4917,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},711,"98249","We can't... Unfortunately, it takes up a lot of space.",3744.54,3746.64,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},"98250","Case in point, I'm talking a lot.",3746.98,3748.42,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1531,"target_proposition":1532,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":4929,"indexable":405},713,"98251","On January 5... some areas of Brazil that are under criminal control, I'll put them into a state of defense.",3748.52,3752.86,"announces 'vou colocar em estado de defesa' in areas controlled by crime.",{"idx":4931,"utterance_id":4932,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4933,"start_s":4934,"end_s":4935,"word_count":346,"topic_slug":4936,"topic_label":4937,"target_id":4938,"target_proposition":4939,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":4940,"indexable":179},714,"98252","I am absolutely certain that a lawsuit from PSOL will come, PSOL will file a suit, and a minister will come who will hand down a 'democratic' decision blocking it.",3753.06,3758.24,"poder-judiciario-e-separacao-de-poderes","Judiciary & Separation of Powers","827448d4-c513-4a31-a1c5-6f8a290eb97b","ensure that judicial decisions do not overturn measures approved by the Legislature","foresees legal action against a request for a state of defense; describes the risk.",{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":4936,"topic_label":4937,"target_id":4947,"target_proposition":4948,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4949,"indexable":405},715,"98253","But if the request for a state of defense goes through the proper legislative process, I obtain the majority, it passes, then the illegal decision won't be enforced.",3758.64,3767.08,"b4a15fde-dec5-4920-9a51-e87cde234684","refuse to comply with STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) decisions that contradict an approved legislative act","argues that a decision approved by the Legislature should prevail over STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",{"idx":4951,"utterance_id":4952,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4953,"start_s":4954,"end_s":4955,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4936,"topic_label":4937,"target_id":4947,"target_proposition":4948,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4956,"indexable":405},716,"98254","And we have to be ready to have a President of the Republic who does not obey an illegal decision coming from the STF.",3767.6,3773.3,"calls for readiness for a president who 'não obedeça' an illegal judicial decision.",{"idx":4958,"utterance_id":4959,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4960,"start_s":4961,"end_s":4962,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":4936,"topic_label":4937,"target_id":4947,"target_proposition":4948,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":4963,"indexable":179},717,"98255","An illegal decision must not be complied with.",3773.74,3775.48,"affirms 'Decisão ilegal não se cumpre' as a principle.",{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},718,"98256","In fact, it wasn't complied with before.",3775.8,3776.86,{"idx":4971,"utterance_id":4972,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4973,"start_s":4974,"end_s":4975,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},719,"98257","Once there was a decision by Marco Aurélio ordering the removal of Renan Calheiros, in 2016.",3776.92,3779.82,{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},720,"98258","Renan Calheiros, with no moral standing, let's be clear, said no.",3780.74,3785.3,{"idx":4983,"utterance_id":4984,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4985,"start_s":4986,"end_s":4987,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},721,"98259","There was an impasse and they overturned it.",3785.84,3787.22,{"idx":4989,"utterance_id":4990,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4991,"start_s":4992,"end_s":4993,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4936,"topic_label":4937,"target_id":4947,"target_proposition":4948,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":4994,"indexable":405},722,"98260","Which I think it's time to do.",3787.6,3788.7,"says 'tá na hora de fazer isso', referring to not complying with decisions.",{"idx":4996,"utterance_id":4997,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4998,"start_s":4999,"end_s":5000,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},723,"98261","Bolsonaro kept picking fights; we inherited many conflicts from Bolsonaro's period, in which he would keep yelling, 'ah, I don't like Xandão.'",3789.02,3794.82,{"idx":5002,"utterance_id":5003,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5004,"start_s":5005,"end_s":5006,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},724,"98262","Then later he would cry on the phone to Xandão, as was reported, and ask Michel Temer for help.",3795.3,3798.62,{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},725,"98263","That's not how it's resolved.",3798.98,3799.84,{"idx":5014,"utterance_id":5015,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5016,"start_s":5017,"end_s":5018,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},726,"98264","Institutionally, you'll have to put a brake.",3800.22,3801.86,{"idx":5020,"utterance_id":5021,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5022,"start_s":5023,"end_s":5024,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},727,"98265","Because what is the STF going to do?",3802.14,3803.04,{"idx":5026,"utterance_id":5027,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5028,"start_s":5029,"end_s":5030,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},728,"98266","Is it going to carry out a coup d'état?",3803.1,3804.16,{"idx":5032,"utterance_id":5033,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5034,"start_s":5035,"end_s":5036,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},729,"98267","We need to speak up, to watch the legislative process.",3804.78,3806.72,{"idx":5038,"utterance_id":5039,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5040,"start_s":5041,"end_s":5042,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},730,"98268","it was carried out through its duly constituted agents.",3807.38,3810.74,{"idx":5044,"utterance_id":5045,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5046,"start_s":5047,"end_s":5048,"word_count":320,"indexable":179},731,"98269","And if the duly constituted president, let's say, in the exercise of his duties regarding the project, acted, that must be respected by the STF.",3810.8,3817.42,{"idx":5050,"utterance_id":5051,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5052,"start_s":5053,"end_s":5054,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},732,"98270","It's not because they want to discuss human rights at Harvard that this will be overturned.",3817.92,3820.3,{"idx":5056,"utterance_id":5057,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5058,"start_s":5059,"end_s":5060,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},733,"98271","That needs to be made clear.",3820.36,3821,{"idx":5062,"utterance_id":5063,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5064,"start_s":5065,"end_s":5066,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},734,"98272","The next President of the Republic will have to deal with this problem.",3821.1,3823.62,{"idx":5068,"utterance_id":5069,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5070,"start_s":5071,"end_s":5072,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},735,"98273","And we won't be able to run away from this issue.",3823.92,3825.82,{"idx":5074,"utterance_id":5075,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5076,"start_s":5077,"end_s":5078,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},736,"98274","Moving on to the issue of political reform.",3826.62,3827.86,{"idx":5080,"utterance_id":5081,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5082,"start_s":5083,"end_s":5084,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":5085,"target_proposition":5086,"stance":2219,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5087,"indexable":405},737,"98275","I don't believe in pure district voting, because pure district voting in Brazil is merely the empowerment of the centrão.",3828.92,3833.32,"48c71375-a581-46fd-badb-54e00572c281","implement pure district voting","declares 'não acredito no voto distrital puro' and explains the risks.",{"idx":5089,"utterance_id":5090,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5091,"start_s":5092,"end_s":5093,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},738,"98276","And we have a political model through amendments and co-optation that is a disaster.",3833.98,3838.4,{"idx":5095,"utterance_id":5096,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5097,"start_s":5098,"end_s":5099,"word_count":199,"indexable":179},739,"98277","And the more we travel around Brazil, the more we see that there is a version of district voting where politicians co-opt, let's say, local city halls, distribute amendments, buy votes and stay in power with their families for a long time.",3838.76,3849.74,{"idx":5101,"utterance_id":5102,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5103,"start_s":5104,"end_s":5105,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":5106,"topic_label":5107,"target_id":5108,"target_proposition":5109,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5110,"indexable":405},740,"98278","The reform I want, I'm calling the managerial responsibility law.",3850.18,3853.8,"gestao-publica-e-administracao-estadual","Public Management","45364d90-6e61-4eaf-9c9d-6eb65fb3131a","approve a managerial responsibility law for mayors","explicitly proposes 'lei de responsabilidade gerencial'.",{"idx":5112,"utterance_id":5113,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5114,"start_s":5115,"end_s":5116,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},741,"98279","It's a rule that changes the following thing: the system of incentives for the functioning of municipalities.",3854.28,3859.62,{"idx":5118,"utterance_id":5119,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5120,"start_s":5121,"end_s":5122,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},742,"98280","And the focus has to be on the mayor.",3860.02,3861.18,{"idx":5124,"utterance_id":5125,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5126,"start_s":5127,"end_s":5128,"word_count":261,"indexable":179},743,"98281","A mayor today wins an election by putting on a Wesley Safadão concert with an allied deputy's amendment, and thus buys votes, plain and simple.",3861.56,3868.7,{"idx":5130,"utterance_id":5131,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5132,"start_s":5133,"end_s":5134,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},744,"98282","This is how it works in small municipalities in Brazil, and we can't avoid it.",3868.76,3872.54,{"idx":5136,"utterance_id":5137,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5138,"start_s":5139,"end_s":5140,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},745,"98283","Also because there is no democracy in practice in Brazil.",3872.82,3875.88,{"idx":5142,"utterance_id":5143,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5144,"start_s":5145,"end_s":5146,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},746,"98284","A country where vote buying exists has only a nominal democracy.",3876.04,3878.26,{"idx":5148,"utterance_id":5149,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5150,"start_s":5151,"end_s":5152,"word_count":346,"indexable":179},747,"98285","People are co-opted during the electoral period, either by the public machine, by vote buying, or by Caixa 2; they vote within the family group and the game goes on.",3878.84,3886.04,{"idx":5154,"utterance_id":5155,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5156,"start_s":5157,"end_s":5158,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":5106,"topic_label":5107,"target_id":5159,"target_proposition":5160,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5161,"indexable":405},748,"98286","We need to merge municipalities, establish objective criteria to evaluate mayors, so that a mayor, if he wants to run for re-election, will have to meet minimum targets — for example, if the municipality has 10% sewage coverage, he must deliver, say, 20%.",3886.5,3899.54,"a12c5097-aef8-44f7-8fe0-656713df2e50","require performance certification for mayors to run for reelection","proposes objective criteria and targets for municipal reelection.",{"idx":5163,"utterance_id":5164,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5165,"start_s":5166,"end_s":5167,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},749,"98287","The IBGE, the IPE, agencies can work on this.",3899.76,3902.08,{"idx":5169,"utterance_id":5170,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5171,"start_s":5172,"end_s":5173,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},750,"98288","Set these criteria: improvement in the Saeb ranking, improved sewage coverage, improved indicators related to service at UBS in the municipalities.",3902.4,3909.82,{"idx":5175,"utterance_id":5176,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5177,"start_s":5178,"end_s":5179,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},751,"98289","If he achieves those indicators, he can participate in the re-election normally; he can even put on his Wesley Safadão show.",3910.24,3914.18,{"idx":5181,"utterance_id":5182,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5183,"start_s":5184,"end_s":5185,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},752,"98290","If he did not achieve those indicators, the mayor must be sanctioned.",3914.56,3916.92,{"idx":5187,"utterance_id":5188,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5189,"start_s":5190,"end_s":5191,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},753,"98291","And the second thing, which is very simple to solve.",3917.36,3919.42,{"idx":5193,"utterance_id":5194,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5195,"start_s":5196,"end_s":5197,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":5198,"topic_label":108,"target_id":5199,"target_proposition":5200,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5201,"indexable":405},754,"98292","The electoral party fund in Brazil, which is already very high, should not be conditioned on the number of Tiriricas, or Nicolas Ferreiras, or Éricas Hilton that you elect in your party.",3920.16,3929.92,"financiamento-de-campanha","2f86eb51-915f-4176-b5e6-7e40bfeaf1c4","condition party transfers on the performance of elected officials","proposes linking the party fund to municipal performance criteria.",{"idx":5203,"utterance_id":5204,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5205,"start_s":5206,"end_s":5207,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},755,"98293","It should be conditioned on those objective performance criteria of its mayors.",3930.56,3934.32,{"idx":900,"utterance_id":5209,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5210,"start_s":5211,"end_s":5212,"word_count":484,"indexable":179},"98294","So, if a party has mayors who achieve good performance indices, measured objectively, then they serve the local population's interests — even when the local population cannot assess this. The local population in Brazil does not, for example, know how to evaluate the importance of basic sanitation.",3934.82,3948.1,{"idx":5214,"utterance_id":5215,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5216,"start_s":5217,"end_s":5218,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},757,"98295","People don't complain; 'I want my sanitation' — no one presses for it, because the work is happening underground.",3948.52,3952.06,{"idx":5220,"utterance_id":5221,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5222,"start_s":5223,"end_s":5224,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},758,"98296","And nobody cares even with last year's sanitation framework.",3952.38,3954.66,{"idx":5226,"utterance_id":5227,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5228,"start_s":5229,"end_s":5230,"word_count":407,"indexable":179},759,"98297","So doing this forces parties to think, 'oh, I want to put forward good mayors who will achieve good performance indices, and thus I'll get more money to reinvest in more good mayors and quality public administrators.'",3955.34,3967.68,{"idx":5232,"utterance_id":5233,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5234,"start_s":5235,"end_s":5236,"word_count":433,"topic_slug":5237,"topic_label":5238,"target_id":5239,"target_proposition":5240,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":5241,"indexable":405},760,"98298","With this incentive system on the one hand, and with the punishment — that the local political leader and the party may not run in the election, even becoming ineligible for eight years in that municipality — we begin to balance things.",3968.08,3978.14,"contestacao-politica-responsabilizacao","Political Contestation \u002F Accountability","bec4537c-84e6-4e99-a20d-96cecddddbb1","make leaders or parties ineligible for eight years in municipalities with insufficient performance","proposes an eight-year ineligibility sanction in municipalities.",{"idx":5243,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},761,"98299","We establish objective evaluation criteria.",3978.18,3980.44,{"idx":5249,"utterance_id":5250,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5251,"start_s":5252,"end_s":5253,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},762,"98300","And we start to scale that.",3980.84,3982,{"idx":5255,"utterance_id":5256,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5257,"start_s":5258,"end_s":5259,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},763,"98301","The necessity of amendments, the function of federal deputies and the function of political parties.",3982.12,3986.7,{"idx":5261,"utterance_id":5262,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5263,"start_s":5264,"end_s":5265,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},764,"98302","Because today the political party is just a name.",3986.98,3990.16,{"idx":5267,"utterance_id":5268,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5269,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5271,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},765,"98303","What's the difference between the PSD, the PP, União Brasil, and the NDB?",3990.72,3993.62,{"idx":5273,"utterance_id":5274,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5275,"start_s":5276,"end_s":5277,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},766,"98304","It practically serves no purpose.",3994.28,3995.48,{"idx":5279,"utterance_id":5280,"speaker_name":175,"text":5281,"start_s":5282,"end_s":5283,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},767,"98305","Popular representation.",3995.96,3997.4,{"idx":5285,"utterance_id":5286,"speaker_name":175,"text":5287,"start_s":5288,"end_s":5289,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},768,"98306","As it is, it would be maintained.",3998.04,3999.62,{"idx":5291,"utterance_id":5292,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5293,"start_s":5294,"end_s":5295,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},769,"98307","Of course, you vote in the election.",3999.94,4001.34,{"idx":5297,"utterance_id":5298,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5299,"start_s":5300,"end_s":5301,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},770,"98308","The fact is the mayor spends four years in the municipality, takes it with 2% sewage coverage and leaves it with 2% sewage coverage or potable water.",4001.68,4010.04,{"idx":5303,"utterance_id":5304,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5305,"start_s":5306,"end_s":5307,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},771,"98309","And the population re-elects him because it is at such a level of poverty that it has naturalized the absurd.",4010.32,4016.68,{"idx":5309,"utterance_id":5310,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5311,"start_s":5312,"end_s":5313,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},772,"98310","And then this mayor has no obligation to increase economic activity in that municipality, none.",4017,4021.08,{"idx":5315,"utterance_id":5316,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5317,"start_s":5318,"end_s":5319,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},773,"98311","He continues with his cap in hand asking for money from the Municipal Participation Fund.",4021.4,4024.2,{"idx":5321,"utterance_id":5322,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5323,"start_s":5324,"end_s":5325,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},774,"98312","The money arrives.",4024.52,4025.18,{"idx":5327,"utterance_id":5328,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5329,"start_s":5330,"end_s":5331,"word_count":484,"indexable":179},775,"98313","He does nothing useful, he puts on the famous Wesley Safadão show, or Natanzinho in the municipality, puts his crew in the city hall, co-opts the crowd, does Caixa 2 with money diverted from amendments amounting to over 60 million, and the game goes on.",4025.64,4037.62,{"idx":5333,"utterance_id":5334,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5335,"start_s":5336,"end_s":5337,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},776,"98314","and he is re-elected.",4037.68,4038.34,{"idx":5339,"utterance_id":5340,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5341,"start_s":5342,"end_s":5343,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},777,"98315","When we go to the small municipalities in the poorest parts of Brazil, we see this.",4038.84,4042.38,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5345,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5346,"start_s":5347,"end_s":5348,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},"98316","Why is the mayor who doesn't improve any basic indicator re-elected?",4042.42,4045.14,{"idx":5350,"utterance_id":5351,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5352,"start_s":5353,"end_s":5354,"word_count":275,"indexable":179},779,"98317","The mayor, therefore, is not fulfilling his constitutional role of meeting the population's demands.",4045.78,4050.56,{"idx":5356,"utterance_id":5357,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5358,"start_s":5359,"end_s":5360,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},780,"98318","And the population does not know how to evaluate.",4051.3,4052.4,{"idx":5362,"utterance_id":5363,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5364,"start_s":5365,"end_s":5366,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},781,"98319","We will need to help the population evaluate in some way.",4052.54,4054.96,{"idx":5368,"utterance_id":5369,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5370,"start_s":5371,"end_s":5372,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},782,"98320","And those objective criteria have to be part of that.",4055.3,4057.36,{"idx":5374,"utterance_id":5375,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5376,"start_s":5377,"end_s":5378,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},783,"98321","Unless we accept things as they are.",4057.46,4059.32,{"idx":5380,"utterance_id":5381,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5382,"start_s":5383,"end_s":5384,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},784,"98322","Fine, I'll see Maranhão forever without streets, without sewage and with very low economic activity.",4059.68,4065.16,{"idx":5386,"utterance_id":5387,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5388,"start_s":5389,"end_s":5390,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},785,"98323","Is that what we want?",4065.46,4066.04,{"idx":5392,"utterance_id":5393,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5394,"start_s":5395,"end_s":5396,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},786,"98324","Do we call that democracy?",4066.08,4067,{"idx":5398,"utterance_id":5399,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5400,"start_s":5401,"end_s":5402,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},787,"98325","I can't agree.",4067.54,4068.28,{"idx":5404,"utterance_id":5405,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5406,"start_s":5407,"end_s":5408,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":4301,"topic_label":4302,"target_id":5409,"target_proposition":5410,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":5411,"indexable":405},788,"98326","So reform has to address this.",4068.56,4070.04,"03a01f2b-7895-4ec1-b94d-2d048ea0478a","approve a political reform that changes the system of municipal incentives","says reform must involve changing local incentives.",{"idx":5413,"utterance_id":5414,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5415,"start_s":5416,"end_s":5417,"word_count":205,"indexable":179},789,"98327","Because if this is not changed, mixed district, pure district, the German model, the Portuguese closed-list model won't make a difference.",4070.42,4078.24,{"idx":5419,"utterance_id":5420,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5421,"start_s":5422,"end_s":5423,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},790,"98328","Because the system of incentives will be the same.",4078.36,4082.04,{"idx":5425,"utterance_id":5426,"speaker_name":175,"text":5427,"start_s":5428,"end_s":5429,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},791,"98329","Aldo, we are already getting to the end of the program.",4082.36,4084.44,{"idx":5431,"utterance_id":5432,"speaker_name":175,"text":5433,"start_s":5434,"end_s":5435,"word_count":298,"indexable":179},792,"98330","You are a nationalist, you have your origins in the Communist Party, as Thais just recalled.",4085.12,4091.14,{"idx":5437,"utterance_id":5438,"speaker_name":175,"text":5439,"start_s":5440,"end_s":5441,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},793,"98331","What is your position on privatizations?",4091.92,4093.62,{"idx":5443,"utterance_id":5444,"speaker_name":175,"text":5445,"start_s":5446,"end_s":5447,"word_count":192,"indexable":179},794,"98332","We are seeing, for example, some state-owned companies like the Correios running a gigantic deficit in recent years.",4093.66,4099.58,{"idx":5449,"utterance_id":5450,"speaker_name":175,"text":5451,"start_s":5452,"end_s":5453,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":5454,"topic_label":5455,"target_id":5456,"target_proposition":5457,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":5458,"indexable":179},795,"98333","Would you, as president, maintain these state-owned enterprises?",4100.02,4103.48,"privatizacao-e-concessoes","Privatization & Concessions","0ef069a9-6c61-4827-be39-c9d89552510c","privatize companies and public services","asks whether to keep state-owned companies or privatize (consultation).",{"idx":5460,"utterance_id":5461,"speaker_name":175,"text":5462,"start_s":5463,"end_s":5464,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},796,"98334","Or do you consider privatizations?",4103.62,4105.14,{"idx":5466,"utterance_id":5467,"speaker_name":175,"text":5468,"start_s":5469,"end_s":5470,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":5454,"topic_label":5455,"target_id":5456,"target_proposition":5457,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":5471,"indexable":405},797,"98335","To privatize or not to privatize is not a question of principles; it's a matter of necessity.",4106.08,4111.32,"states that privatizing is a matter of necessity, not principle.",{"idx":5473,"utterance_id":5474,"speaker_name":175,"text":5475,"start_s":5476,"end_s":5477,"word_count":304,"indexable":179},798,"98336","Brazil, when it built state-owned companies, did so because the private sector had no interest in, for example, establishing a steel industry in Brazil.",4111.88,4121.88,{"idx":5479,"utterance_id":5480,"speaker_name":175,"text":5481,"start_s":5482,"end_s":5483,"word_count":268,"indexable":179},799,"98337","So Vargas arranged there an American fund of 100 million dollars and created Volta Redonda.",4122.22,4126.98,{"idx":5485,"utterance_id":5486,"speaker_name":175,"text":5487,"start_s":5488,"end_s":5489,"word_count":346,"indexable":179},800,"98338","Then Brazil developed petrochemicals and already with... A capital participation of the State, one third, of the national private sector, one third, and of the foreign private sector, one third.",4127.94,4140.28,{"idx":5491,"utterance_id":5492,"speaker_name":175,"text":5493,"start_s":5494,"end_s":5495,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":2484,"topic_label":2485,"target_id":5496,"target_proposition":5497,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1956,"rationale":5498,"indexable":179},801,"98339","Then we built the petrochemical industries.",4140.74,4143.32,"ba5cb769-0989-4f3e-8e60-c723d3fef8c9","promote the reindustrialization of the State","claims state action: 'nós fizemos as indústrias de petroquímica'.",{"idx":5500,"utterance_id":5501,"speaker_name":175,"text":5502,"start_s":5503,"end_s":5504,"word_count":219,"topic_slug":2484,"topic_label":2485,"target_id":5496,"target_proposition":5497,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1956,"rationale":5505,"indexable":405},802,"98340","We also developed the pulp industry, especially in Aracruz, with that public investment.",4143.4,4148.5,"uses 'Nós fizemos' to claim public investment in cellulose.",{"idx":5507,"utterance_id":5508,"speaker_name":175,"text":5509,"start_s":5510,"end_s":5511,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":5512,"topic_label":5513,"target_id":5514,"target_proposition":5515,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5516,"indexable":405},803,"98341","Where private capital has the conditions to handle it, to run it, there is no reason for the State to get involved.",4149,4155.68,"papel-do-estado","Role of the State","06033de7-7f90-42c4-ac3d-a2d9c30f1ecc","reduce the size of the State and decrease dependence on government","explicitly declares 'não tem porque o Estado se meter'.",{"idx":5518,"utterance_id":5519,"speaker_name":175,"text":5520,"start_s":5521,"end_s":5522,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":5523,"topic_label":5524,"target_id":5525,"target_proposition":5526,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":5527,"indexable":405},804,"98342","Now, if the private sector has no interest in creating an agricultural research company like Embrapa, then you have to put the State in.",4156.08,4164.28,"inovacao-e-pesquisa","Innovation and Research","3833d950-342e-4e01-b4e2-cdb1670cf7b4","increase public investment in agricultural research","proposes the state should act when the private sector has no interest (Embrapa example).",{"idx":5529,"utterance_id":5530,"speaker_name":175,"text":5531,"start_s":5532,"end_s":5533,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":5534,"topic_label":5535,"target_id":5536,"target_proposition":5537,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":5538,"indexable":405},805,"98343","If the State does not have the conditions to set up an engineering school like ITA, the Aeronautics Technological Institute, and later create an aeronautical technology center, and then create an aeronautical industry, as Embraer did, the State takes the initiative.",4164.82,4180.42,"politica-de-ensino-superior","Higher education policy","d96c0ee5-7011-4d99-8690-129d23dfc392","create and fund public engineering schools and technology centers","argues that 'o Estado toma a iniciativa' to set up ITA and centers.",{"idx":5540,"utterance_id":5541,"speaker_name":175,"text":5542,"start_s":5543,"end_s":5544,"word_count":439,"topic_slug":5512,"topic_label":5513,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5547,"indexable":405},806,"98344","So you have to combine, as in the whole world, in the countries that knew how to combine the dynamism, the creativity of private initiative with the support and initiative of the State, where that was important — that's what Brazil has to do.",4181,4197.06,"ba267d68-de31-4dd1-8aa9-76ca167c058c","provide support and incentives to private enterprise","advocates combining private dynamism with state support and initiative.",{"idx":5549,"utterance_id":5550,"speaker_name":175,"text":5551,"start_s":5552,"end_s":5553,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},807,"98345","Brazil doesn't have to invent and divide the following.",4197.14,4199.74,{"idx":5555,"utterance_id":5556,"speaker_name":175,"text":5557,"start_s":5558,"end_s":5559,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},808,"98346","Either it's public, or it's a public company, or it's a private company.",4199.78,4203.34,{"idx":5561,"utterance_id":5562,"speaker_name":175,"text":5563,"start_s":5564,"end_s":5565,"word_count":243,"topic_slug":5512,"topic_label":5513,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":5566,"indexable":405},809,"98347","No, Brazil has to combine efficiency, both in public activity and in public activity.",4203.8,4210.48,"states that Brazil should 'combinar eficiência' between public and private sectors.",{"idx":5568,"utterance_id":5569,"speaker_name":175,"text":5570,"start_s":5571,"end_s":5572,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":5512,"topic_label":5513,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":5573,"indexable":405},810,"98348","And make the combination of these two actions result in the national interest.",4211.14,4216.14,"advocates a combination of actions for the national interest.",{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5575,"speaker_name":175,"text":5576,"start_s":5577,"end_s":5578,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":5512,"topic_label":5513,"target_id":5545,"target_proposition":5546,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":1956,"rationale":5579,"indexable":405},"98349","There is an activity that can rely on the presence of the private entrepreneur, whether national or international.",4216.6,4224.32,"says the activity can rely on private entrepreneurs when possible.",{"idx":5581,"utterance_id":5582,"speaker_name":175,"text":5583,"start_s":5584,"end_s":5585,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},812,"98350","Very well, let's go.",4224.64,4225.36,{"idx":5587,"utterance_id":5588,"speaker_name":175,"text":5589,"start_s":5590,"end_s":5591,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":5592,"topic_label":5593,"target_id":5594,"target_proposition":5595,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":368,"rationale":5596,"indexable":179},813,"98351","Like the Chinese did and are doing to this day?",4225.92,4228.46,"desenvolvimento-economico","Economic Development","8226b387-3cfb-4453-bf4f-9d125630ba86","study and consider development models with state participation (e.g., China)","invokes the Chinese model as an example to follow ('Como o chinês fez').",{"idx":5598,"utterance_id":5599,"speaker_name":175,"text":5600,"start_s":5601,"end_s":5602,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},814,"98352","Productivity.",4228.5,4229.16,{"idx":5604,"utterance_id":5605,"speaker_name":175,"text":5606,"start_s":5607,"end_s":5608,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},815,"98353","Renan, privatizations.",4229.2,4231.9,{"idx":5610,"utterance_id":5611,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5612,"start_s":5613,"end_s":5614,"word_count":207,"topic_slug":5615,"topic_label":5616,"target_id":5617,"target_proposition":5618,"stance":1103,"stance_confidence":1508,"rationale":5619,"indexable":179},816,"98354","I'm in favor, depending on the case.",4231.94,4233.42,"privatizacoes-e-politica-economica","Privatizations and Economic Policy","0806bbe6-36f8-4e4e-8130-d986c9559930","privatize state-owned companies","says 'Sou favorável, dependendo do caso' without specifying the object.",{"idx":5621,"utterance_id":5622,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5623,"start_s":5624,"end_s":5625,"word_count":170,"topic_slug":5523,"topic_label":5524,"target_id":5626,"target_proposition":5627,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":5628,"indexable":405},817,"98355","Now, in a broader model, we have to understand that with the arrival of artificial intelligence, machine learning, we'll be able to use the centrality of the State efficiently like never before in Brazil's history.",4233.74,4243.44,"69e5c227-5e97-4749-9a7a-64815b7e3ec2","integrate artificial intelligence into public services","proposes using AI to 'utilizar a centralidade do Estado' efficiently.",{"idx":5630,"utterance_id":5631,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5632,"start_s":5633,"end_s":5634,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},818,"98356","I am very optimistic.",4243.58,4244.44,{"idx":5636,"utterance_id":5637,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5638,"start_s":5639,"end_s":5640,"word_count":358,"topic_slug":5641,"topic_label":5642,"target_id":5643,"target_proposition":5644,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":380,"rationale":5645,"indexable":179},819,"98357","Petrobras being public or private is small compared to what Petrobras and the whole sector will be able to do in a world where knowledge will be shared.",4244.88,4254.46,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Industrial and Energy Policy","190acfd7-2363-43dd-974a-64c2180356d6","prioritize development of the petroleum sector regardless of form of ownership","minimizes debate about ownership, focuses on the sector's potential.",{"idx":5647,"utterance_id":5648,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5649,"start_s":5650,"end_s":5651,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},820,"98358","It's a very big change in that.",4255.24,4256.6,{"idx":5653,"utterance_id":5654,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5655,"start_s":5656,"end_s":5657,"word_count":490,"topic_slug":5658,"topic_label":5659,"target_id":5660,"target_proposition":5661,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":5662,"indexable":405},821,"98359","One example, even if it's not a public company, the SUS... With the use of artificial intelligence, machine learning, a unified medical record, apps that will allow you to consult a doctor instantly, it will undergo a revolution in the coming years.",4256.92,4268.96,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Public Health and Hospital Infrastructure","3df76fdf-0791-46ca-ab80-fefb349ecf8e","modernize the SUS with artificial intelligence and a single medical record","proposes AI, a unified medical record and apps to revolutionize the SUS.",{"idx":5664,"utterance_id":5665,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5666,"start_s":5667,"end_s":5668,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":5658,"topic_label":5659,"target_id":5669,"target_proposition":5670,"stance":367,"stance_confidence":412,"rationale":5671,"indexable":179},822,"98360","I used to be, as a liberal, kind of... I don't like the SUS, anything that has 'single' in its name, I'm kind of opposed to.",4269.34,4274.84,"9efba414-eb74-4699-bb78-23f0e0a8dff8","maintain unified public health system (SUS)","reports a past opinion ('não gosto do SUS') without proposing current action.",{"idx":5673,"utterance_id":5674,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5675,"start_s":5676,"end_s":5677,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":5658,"topic_label":5659,"target_id":5660,"target_proposition":5661,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":403,"rationale":5678,"indexable":405},823,"98361","Today I already view the centralized SUS model, together with technology, with machine learning, as a gift.",4275.28,4280.5,"says they view the centralized SUS model with technology as a 'dádiva'.",{"idx":5680,"utterance_id":5681,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5682,"start_s":5683,"end_s":5684,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":5658,"topic_label":5659,"target_id":5660,"target_proposition":5661,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":5685,"indexable":405},824,"98362","We will be able to make a revolution in healthcare in a way the United States cannot do today.",4280.54,4284.56,"says there will be a 'revolução na área da saúde' with these technologies.",{"idx":5687,"utterance_id":5688,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5689,"start_s":5690,"end_s":5691,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":5692,"topic_label":5693,"target_id":5694,"target_proposition":5695,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":720,"rationale":5696,"indexable":405},825,"98363","As England is thinking of doing, as El Salvador — we mentioned Bukele a little while ago — is doing, and their model is sensational.",4285.02,4290.88,"inovacao-e-governanca","Innovation and governance","7a1a8adf-b6dc-4dc2-9d5c-c7dae12abe1c","adopt international public management models with technology when appropriate","cites England and Bukele as 'sensacionais' models to consider.",{"idx":5698,"utterance_id":5699,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5700,"start_s":5701,"end_s":5702,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},826,"98364","We talk a lot about security, but the health sector is a revolution.",4290.92,4293.8,{"idx":5704,"utterance_id":5705,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5706,"start_s":5707,"end_s":5708,"word_count":407,"topic_slug":5512,"topic_label":5513,"target_id":5709,"target_proposition":5710,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":5711,"indexable":405},827,"98365","And then the centrality of the State, the coordinating role of forces, now also emerging as a coordinating role of intelligence, can make Brazil a country not only efficient in delivering its services, but very powerful.",4294.32,4307.62,"bd5d5755-c168-47d4-bab3-ca857f95d6c6","strengthen the State's central role as coordinator and intelligence manager in public policies","defends the State having an articulating and intelligence role for efficiency.",{"idx":5713,"utterance_id":5714,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5715,"start_s":5716,"end_s":5717,"word_count":484,"topic_slug":2484,"topic_label":2485,"target_id":5718,"target_proposition":5719,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":469,"rationale":5720,"indexable":405},828,"98366","Being able to use rare earths, using the State as, for example, a promoter of these technology companies that will carry out technology transfer with American companies, exploiting these resources, the State does not become an enemy; it becomes a partner in that construction.",4308.06,4322.22,"a3de25bc-104e-4c80-89b0-5e854d23d7a0","finance development of the national rare-earths value chain via BNDES and public investment","proposes using the State as a promoter to exploit rare earths.",{"idx":5722,"utterance_id":5723,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5724,"start_s":5725,"end_s":5726,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},829,"98367","And I think that future will be near.",4322.34,4323.92,{"idx":5728,"utterance_id":5729,"speaker_name":175,"text":5730,"start_s":5731,"end_s":5732,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},830,"98368","We need to finish.",4324.12,4325.24,{"idx":5734,"utterance_id":5735,"speaker_name":175,"text":5736,"start_s":5737,"end_s":5738,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},831,"98369","Aldo, one minute, if you can also, Renan, afterwards, final remarks.",4325.44,4329.52,{"idx":5740,"utterance_id":5741,"speaker_name":175,"text":5742,"start_s":5743,"end_s":5744,"word_count":212,"indexable":179},832,"98370","You have an idea of what Brazil is.",4329.76,4331.88,{"idx":5746,"utterance_id":5747,"speaker_name":175,"text":5748,"start_s":5749,"end_s":5750,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},833,"98371","In 2015, I was Minister of Defense, had been Minister of Science and Technology, I received a large group of German researchers and ministers.",4331.94,4341.26,{"idx":5752,"utterance_id":5753,"speaker_name":175,"text":5754,"start_s":5755,"end_s":5756,"word_count":214,"indexable":179},834,"98372","Do you know what they were interested in?",4341.72,4343.28,{"idx":5758,"utterance_id":5759,"speaker_name":175,"text":5760,"start_s":5761,"end_s":5762,"word_count":194,"indexable":179},835,"98373","In rare earths.",4343.56,4344.62,{"idx":5764,"utterance_id":5765,"speaker_name":175,"text":5766,"start_s":5767,"end_s":5768,"word_count":187,"indexable":179},836,"98374","Rare earths.",4345.6,4346.24,{"idx":5770,"utterance_id":5771,"speaker_name":175,"text":5772,"start_s":5773,"end_s":5774,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},837,"98375","Fifteen, sixteen years, we experienced, eleven years, we experienced a situation of global interest in these rare earths.",4346.26,4356.36,{"idx":5776,"utterance_id":5777,"speaker_name":175,"text":5778,"start_s":5779,"end_s":5780,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},838,"98376","Not even prospecting, not even knowledge.",4357.24,4362,{"idx":5782,"utterance_id":5783,"speaker_name":175,"text":5784,"start_s":5785,"end_s":5786,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},839,"98377","30%.",4362.02,4362.44,{"idx":5788,"utterance_id":5789,"speaker_name":175,"text":5790,"start_s":5791,"end_s":5792,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},840,"98378","China already knows everything it has.",4362.86,4364,{"idx":5794,"utterance_id":5795,"speaker_name":175,"text":5796,"start_s":5797,"end_s":5798,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":5799,"topic_label":5800,"target_id":5801,"target_proposition":5802,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":5803,"indexable":179},841,"98379","So Brazil has this promising frontier.",4364.62,4366.82,"recursos-naturais-e-soberania","Natural Resources and Sovereignty","25e47305-c7f9-4aec-adde-5eb64058f2cd","regulate and promote exploration and processing of rare earths and critical minerals","states that China knows the resources; Brazil has a promising frontier.",{"idx":5805,"utterance_id":5806,"speaker_name":175,"text":5807,"start_s":5808,"end_s":5809,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},842,"98380","It can, in fact, boost Brazil.",4367.48,4369.92,{"idx":5811,"utterance_id":5812,"speaker_name":175,"text":5813,"start_s":5814,"end_s":5815,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":2484,"topic_label":2485,"target_id":5816,"target_proposition":5817,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":497,"rationale":5818,"indexable":405},843,"98381","From that comes the surplus that Brazil can use to reindustrialize in high technology.",4370.74,4374.78,"224d8076-36ed-4edb-b1dc-afaa4220cd33","reorient industrial policies to promote domestic technology production","says that the surplus of rare earths can reindustrialize into high-tech industries.",{"idx":5820,"utterance_id":5821,"speaker_name":175,"text":5822,"start_s":5823,"end_s":5824,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},844,"98382","So we should look at the country with optimism, with confidence.",4375.5,4379.6,{"idx":5826,"utterance_id":5827,"speaker_name":175,"text":5828,"start_s":5829,"end_s":5830,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},845,"98383","Destiny gave us what it did not give to the world.",4379.84,4382.72,{"idx":5832,"utterance_id":5833,"speaker_name":175,"text":5834,"start_s":5835,"end_s":5836,"word_count":237,"indexable":179},846,"98384","Destiny gave us an agricultural frontier, a mineral frontier, an energy frontier.",4383.26,4386.92,{"idx":5838,"utterance_id":5839,"speaker_name":175,"text":5840,"start_s":5841,"end_s":5842,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},847,"98385","Now the choices have not helped Brazil.",4387.7,4389.96,{"idx":5844,"utterance_id":5845,"speaker_name":175,"text":5846,"start_s":5847,"end_s":5848,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":5849,"target_proposition":5850,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":5851,"indexable":405},848,"98386","So let's make it so that, in meeting destiny, a choice comes that makes Brazil look to the future with hope, which is what we need.",4390.2,4402.42,"aace5e24-bafb-414d-8a6a-de7e2ad9ab81","develop science, technology and industrialize the country","urges electing choices that align natural destiny with public policies.",{"idx":5853,"utterance_id":5854,"speaker_name":175,"text":5855,"start_s":5856,"end_s":5857,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},849,"98387","Renan.",4402.96,4403.24,{"idx":997,"utterance_id":5859,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5860,"start_s":5861,"end_s":5862,"word_count":263,"indexable":179},"98388","Well, looking here at our viewer, are you on this camera here, or this one?",4404.58,4408.18,{"idx":5864,"utterance_id":5865,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5866,"start_s":5867,"end_s":5868,"word_count":32,"indexable":179},851,"98389","Clearly to our viewer, they told you that your future is to live in a house with a wall, afraid to go out on the street because your cell phone might be taken.",4408.64,4416.86,{"idx":5870,"utterance_id":5871,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5872,"start_s":5873,"end_s":5874,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},852,"98390","Having a crappy job and watching the great things in the world happen in other countries.",4417.34,4421.16,{"idx":5876,"utterance_id":5877,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5878,"start_s":5879,"end_s":5880,"word_count":207,"indexable":179},853,"98391","United States, Japan, China, Korea.",4421.5,4423.04,{"idx":5882,"utterance_id":5883,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5884,"start_s":5885,"end_s":5886,"word_count":59,"indexable":179},854,"98392","You here in Brazil are a spectator and at most cheer for a football team that today isn't even that competitive.",4423.5,4427.56,{"idx":5888,"utterance_id":5889,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5890,"start_s":5891,"end_s":5892,"word_count":221,"indexable":179},855,"98393","Well, Brazil can be glorious.",4428.06,4429.94,{"idx":5894,"utterance_id":5895,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5896,"start_s":5897,"end_s":5898,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":5899,"target_proposition":5900,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":507,"rationale":5901,"indexable":405},856,"98394","You can live in a country where the criminal will be jailed or killed when needed.",4430.06,4433.96,"e72a7277-35ed-440a-9092-7e2dc534e281","implement strict public security measures to combat crime","states 'o bandido vai ser muito preso ou morto quando precisa'.",{"idx":5903,"utterance_id":5904,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5905,"start_s":5906,"end_s":5907,"word_count":275,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3551,"target_proposition":3552,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":735,"rationale":5908,"indexable":405},857,"98395","You can live in a country where making money will not be a privilege, but the rule.",4434,4437.86,"advocates a country where 'ganhar dinheiro não será um privilégio, mas regra'.",{"idx":5910,"utterance_id":5911,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5912,"start_s":5913,"end_s":5914,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},858,"98396","You can live in a country that will be one of the five most important nations in the world.",4438.38,4441.46,{"idx":5916,"utterance_id":5917,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5918,"start_s":5919,"end_s":5920,"word_count":256,"indexable":179},859,"98397","You need to have imagination, dreams and believe in the right people, at the right time.",4441.5,4445.66,{"idx":5922,"utterance_id":5923,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5924,"start_s":5925,"end_s":5926,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":5927,"topic_label":5928,"target_id":5929,"target_proposition":5930,"stance":402,"stance_confidence":750,"rationale":5931,"indexable":405},860,"98398","Don't stay stuck on that story of Lula and Bolsonaro.",4445.96,4447.54,"polarizacao-politica-e-divisao-do-pais","Political Polarization","7515ee6f-b469-4db1-a2b3-734fe7ee9836","reduce political polarization and promote national unity","explicitly instructs 'Não fique nessa história de Lula e Bolsonaro'.",{"idx":5933,"utterance_id":5934,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5935,"start_s":5936,"end_s":5937,"word_count":178,"indexable":179},861,"98399","That's the past.",4447.78,4448.62,{"idx":5939,"utterance_id":5940,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5941,"start_s":5942,"end_s":5943,"word_count":227,"indexable":179},862,"98400","The future and the present are already 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