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I have a mass of thousands—hundreds of thousands—of people mobilized in my campaign, and I think that will make a difference at the right time.",676.04,686.1,{"idx":1037,"utterance_id":1038,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1039,"start_s":1040,"end_s":1041,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":1042,"topic_label":1043,"target_id":1044,"target_proposition":1045,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1047,"rationale":1048,"indexable":719},144,"224039","I will never entertain the idea of joining any of those political groups, because they are corrupt.",686.82,691.1,"aliancas-politicas","Political Alliances","c39ae8f8-5d71-4f70-a651-10f241be19f0","make political alliances to obtain positions","contra",0.92,"declares 'jamais vou trabalhar' with these groups because 'são corruptos'.",{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},145,"224040","Actually, my political group is heavily attacked within the right because we do not submit.",691.38,695.14,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},146,"224041","I'll take a look at Zema's campaign.",696.36,698,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},147,"224042","To a large extent, Partido Novo has been taken over by this spirit of, look, let's engage in dialogue with bolsonarism.",698.28,704.3,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":1042,"topic_label":1043,"target_id":1073,"target_proposition":1074,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1075,"indexable":180},148,"224043","There is no dialogue with bolsonarism.",704.36,705.82,"8a5ea550-2b2f-43fa-9945-b1138e37e7a4","dialogue with Bolsonarism","states explicitly 'Não existe diálogo' and 'Não se negocia' with Bolsonarism.",{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},149,"224044","You don't negotiate with your head inside a tiger's mouth.",706.1,708.72,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},"224045","Bolsonarism always wants to devour you.",709.02,710.6,{"idx":1088,"utterance_id":1089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1090,"start_s":1091,"end_s":1092,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},151,"224046","They demand only submission.",710.8,712.16,{"idx":1094,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},152,"224047","It's like PT (Workers' Party) within the left.",712.54,714.02,{"idx":1100,"utterance_id":1101,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1102,"start_s":1103,"end_s":1104,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},153,"224048","PT (Workers' Party) also destroys any alternative within the left.",714.42,716.62,{"idx":1106,"utterance_id":1107,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1108,"start_s":1109,"end_s":1110,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},154,"224049","And you cannot accept that.",716.98,718.12,{"idx":1112,"utterance_id":1113,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1114,"start_s":1115,"end_s":1116,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},155,"224050","And I think constant dripping wears away the stone.",718.42,721.36,{"idx":1118,"utterance_id":1119,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1120,"start_s":1121,"end_s":1122,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},156,"224051","We will break through that resistance.",721.76,722.88,{"idx":1124,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":175,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},157,"224052","Jato, you... Go ahead, José.",723.66,726.28,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":175,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},158,"224053","Please.",726.3,726.84,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":175,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},159,"224054","Let Bruno go. Go on, Bruno.",726.96,728.22,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":175,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},160,"224055","Please, Bruno.",728.46,729.3,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":175,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},161,"224056","I'll change the subject.",729.5,730.12,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":175,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},162,"224057","Earlier this morning, in that clash between Lula and Flávio, you are competing a bit for Flávio's votes in this first round.",731.38,739.9,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":175,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},163,"224058","You made serious accusations regarding his campaign.",740.7,744.1,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":175,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},164,"224059","You said that his campaign is receiving funds from a group abroad, an American group linked to the vice-president, J.D.",744.12,753,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":175,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},165,"224060","Vance.",753.12,753.48,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":175,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},166,"224061","And, in short, if that is proven, you have an electoral crime there; you cannot have a candidacy financed with foreign funds.",754.28,762.76,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":175,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},167,"224062","My question is, do you have proof of these accusations?",763.44,765.62,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":175,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":285,"indexable":180},168,"224063","I'd like you to explain a little more and to know whether you will present it to the TSE (Superior Electoral Court) and when.",765.64,769.22,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":551,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1204,"indexable":719},169,"224064","I have proof of the relationship of the group that involves Mr. Tales Gomes, who is a business coach linked to Flávio Bolsonaro, a sort of spokesperson for that group, who is a young man named Pedro Sangue, and other people, both with Rockbridge in the United States, with a guy named Ryan—everyone keeps an eye on that name—who is the political operator of this.",770.08,789.56,"financiamento-de-campanha","5c9a8e91-6daf-4f9b-9d2d-2fc9071dbe70","investigate the source of campaign financing","claims to have 'provas' of a link with Rockbridge and requests investigation.",{"idx":1206,"utterance_id":1207,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1208,"start_s":1209,"end_s":1210,"word_count":48,"indexable":180},170,"224065","And this group Rockbridge, to be clear, involves businessmen in the technology sector and some entrepreneurs are now, curiously, wanting to invest in rare earths.",790.22,797.28,{"idx":1212,"utterance_id":1213,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1214,"start_s":1215,"end_s":1216,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},171,"224066","One of the leaders on their board works with Terrazars, a company called Vulcan.",798.26,804.64,{"idx":1218,"utterance_id":1219,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1220,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},172,"224067","And they are, naturally, getting involved with Flávio's campaign because they see all this as an opportunity to do business.",806.4,810.7,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},173,"224068","One of these guys joined Flávio's campaign; he works inside Flávio's campaign, on Flávio's committee.",811.64,816.62,{"idx":1230,"utterance_id":1231,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1232,"start_s":1233,"end_s":1234,"word_count":170,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":1236,"indexable":719},174,"224069","He recently set up a company; I think this company could eventually be the target of some scrutiny at the right time by the electoral justice, also because I doubt there is foreign money directly in Flávio's campaign.",817.5,828.2,0.85,"suggests that a set-up company 'pode ser alvo de escrutínio' by the electoral justice.",{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},175,"224070","No one will do that directly.",828.4,829.96,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":1250,"indexable":180},176,"224071","Now, indirectly, it's the easiest thing in the world.",830.34,832.8,0.7,"claims that indirect financing 'é a coisa mais fácil', justifying investigation.",{"idx":1252,"utterance_id":1253,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1254,"start_s":1255,"end_s":1256,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1257,"rationale":1258,"indexable":719},177,"224072","So this needs to be investigated, because yes, that work is happening.",833.34,836.02,0.95,"states clearly 'isso precisa ser investigado'.",{"idx":1260,"utterance_id":1261,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1262,"start_s":1263,"end_s":1264,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},178,"224073","This Rockbridge sought contact with Brazilian candidates from mid to late last year.",836.28,841.36,{"idx":1266,"utterance_id":1267,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1268,"start_s":1269,"end_s":1270,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},179,"224074","They have those contacts.",841.84,842.88,{"idx":1272,"utterance_id":1273,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1274,"start_s":1275,"end_s":1276,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},180,"224075","This group defines itself in Brazil as Rockbridge Brasil.",843.44,845.56,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":1278,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1279,"start_s":1280,"end_s":1281,"word_count":397,"indexable":180},"224076","And what I'm talking about here, including Thales Gomes, this coach, he has already said in interviews, he's been on podcasts and said there are dialogues, because he's a bit of a show-off, he wants to be seen.",845.6,855.96,{"idx":1283,"utterance_id":1284,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1285,"start_s":1286,"end_s":1287,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},182,"224077","And it's that thing, you know?",856.44,857.28,{"idx":1289,"utterance_id":1290,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1291,"start_s":1292,"end_s":1293,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},183,"224078","Ego sometimes destroys strategies.",858.72,860.42,{"idx":1295,"utterance_id":1296,"speaker_name":175,"text":1297,"start_s":1298,"end_s":1299,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},184,"224079","Are you going to present this to the TSE (Superior Electoral Court)?",860.58,862.86,{"idx":1301,"utterance_id":1302,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1303,"start_s":1304,"end_s":1305,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":1306,"indexable":180},185,"224080","First I will present it to the press.",862.88,864.48,"says he will give the information to the press first for investigation.",{"idx":1308,"utterance_id":1309,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1310,"start_s":1311,"end_s":1312,"word_count":391,"indexable":180},186,"224081","I think journalists have to do the work, because I'm now in the middle of a campaign and I don't even have a team or the capacity to do the legal work of turning this into a complaint.",864.54,872.32,{"idx":1314,"utterance_id":1315,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1316,"start_s":1317,"end_s":1318,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},187,"224082","I think there is investigative work that journalism has to do, not only Brazilian but also international.",872.34,876.36,{"idx":1320,"utterance_id":1321,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1322,"start_s":1323,"end_s":1324,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},188,"224083","Because this is a serious issue.",877.38,878.54,{"idx":1326,"utterance_id":1327,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1328,"start_s":1329,"end_s":1330,"word_count":239,"indexable":180},189,"224084","I'm talking here about national resources, strategic resources of Brazil; I'm talking about rare earths, which are the target of preliminary negotiations by a presidential campaign.",879.02,887.74,{"idx":1332,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},190,"224085","And not just any presidential campaign — a campaign that had its origins in meetings at Mar-a-Lago in the United States.",888.18,893.86,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":42,"indexable":180},191,"224086","Flávio became a candidate at the end of last year, in a context of undermining Tarcísio's candidacy and of an agreement that was made with the Trump government.",894.24,901.98,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},192,"224087","Yes, there is a gigantic lobbying interest on the part of business groups that operate together with the American government, starting with Joélice Batista himself, who wants to invest in this area in Brazil.",903.22,910.24,{"idx":1350,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},193,"224088","And these people are dealing with these issues openly within the campaign of a competitor of mine, who is a vassal of the Trump government.",910.78,917.48,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},194,"224089","I find that shameful.",917.8,918.98,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1362,"speaker_name":175,"text":1363,"start_s":1364,"end_s":1365,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},"224090","Do you think this has the power, even, to take down Flávio Bolsonaro's ticket, these allegations?",919.6,925.24,{"idx":1367,"utterance_id":1368,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1369,"start_s":1370,"end_s":1371,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},196,"224091","I don't know.",925.28,925.78,{"idx":1373,"utterance_id":1374,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1375,"start_s":1376,"end_s":1377,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},197,"224092","Then I'll just, well, hand it over as a Brazilian.",926,929.14,{"idx":1379,"utterance_id":1380,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1381,"start_s":1382,"end_s":1383,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},198,"224093","More than as a candidate.",930.24,930.9,{"idx":1385,"utterance_id":1386,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1387,"start_s":1388,"end_s":1389,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},199,"224094","If I weren't a candidate, I would also be handing the information I have over to the press.",930.92,934.22,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1391,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1392,"start_s":1393,"end_s":1394,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},"224095","The press does its job.",934.24,935.44,{"idx":1396,"utterance_id":1397,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1398,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1401,"target_proposition":1402,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":1404,"indexable":719},201,"224096","What I believe, in fact, is that the sale — this relationship — will lead to going after the ticket.",936.18,939.54,"5757f288-e8ac-4292-9a59-2fae48e8de2f","annul candidacies funded with foreign resources",0.8,"says that, if proven, the ticket could be 'caçada' (annulled).",{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},202,"224097","If it is demonstrated that there is money from these people interfering in a candidacy, yes.",940,942.7,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":175,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},203,"224098","Forgive the frankness, but that seems very convenient, doesn't it?",943.8,946.24,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":175,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":1423,"topic_label":1424,"target_id":1425,"target_proposition":1426,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":1429,"indexable":719},204,"224099","Because it seems clear that Trump has a preference for Flávio Bolsonaro over any other alternative.",946.32,952.54,"programa-eleitoral","Electoral Program","e858f404-6e07-43b6-8305-743614e4ab85","publicly support Brazilian candidates by foreign actors","neutro_descritivo",0.75,"states that Trump prefers Flávio; report of foreign support.",{"idx":1431,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":175,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1436,"target_proposition":1437,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1438,"rationale":1439,"indexable":719},205,"224100","Now, the PL (Liberal Party)... By the number of deputies it has, it has the biggest war chest in this campaign.",953.5,960.68,"3027d438-8676-4049-9638-a594805938fe","fund campaigns through the party fund and the electoral fund",0.78,"says that PL has the largest 'caixa registradora' for the campaign.",{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":175,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1436,"target_proposition":1437,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1438,"rationale":1446,"indexable":719},206,"224101","It has 44 million reais to spend; it even has more money than what is available to Lula.",961.46,967.04,"compares the amount available with that of the other candidate.",{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":175,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1453,"target_proposition":1454,"stance":1455,"stance_confidence":1456,"rationale":1457,"indexable":180},207,"224102","Do you really think it would take money from abroad?",967.14,970.06,"8c8eaad3-97a1-4393-8cc1-293fe32c75c7","receive foreign funding for campaigns","ambiguo",0.45,"poses a rhetorical question about taking money from outside, without stating a position.",{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":175,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":293,"topic_slug":1423,"topic_label":1424,"target_id":1425,"target_proposition":1426,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1464,"rationale":1465,"indexable":180},208,"224103","One thing is to say, look, Flávio Bolsonaro, Trump has an interest in Brazil that is better represented",970.36,977.54,0.72,"reaffirms that Trump would prefer Flávio; a report.",{"idx":1467,"utterance_id":1468,"speaker_name":175,"text":1469,"start_s":1470,"end_s":1471,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":1423,"topic_label":1424,"target_id":1425,"target_proposition":1426,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1464,"rationale":1472,"indexable":180},209,"224104","by Flávio Bolsonaro than by any other candidate.",978,980.56,"continues the claim about foreign preference for a candidate.",{"idx":1474,"utterance_id":1475,"speaker_name":175,"text":1476,"start_s":1477,"end_s":1478,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":1479,"topic_label":1480,"target_id":1481,"target_proposition":1482,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":1483,"indexable":719},210,"224105","Now, to say that there is money from abroad without giving the evidence, without showing proof, isn't that bordering on fake news?",980.6,988.02,"polarizacao-e-desinformacao","Polarization and Disinformation","513654e4-2f48-465d-ab6f-3f7efd67bd48","publicize allegations of external financing without proof","criticizes an allegation without evidence, suggests it borders on fake news.",{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":1479,"topic_label":1480,"target_id":1490,"target_proposition":1491,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1492,"indexable":719},211,"224106","No, it's not bordering on fake news at all.",988.76,990.42,"2f088951-2b2b-4f75-a8fb-d7b6ff0819b0","assert existence of foreign financing for campaigns","denies it is fake news and defends the existence of a relationship.",{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1499,"target_proposition":1500,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":1501,"indexable":719},212,"224107","I'm talking about a relationship that exists; a piece now by Guilherme Amado — they themselves confirm that there is a relationship with Rockbridge.",990.44,996.32,"38a9805b-56e4-4c3b-8e30-07259bb71095","assert existence of foreign financing through Rockbridge","cites an article that would confirm a link with Rockbridge.",{"idx":1503,"utterance_id":1504,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1505,"start_s":1506,"end_s":1507,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1508,"target_proposition":1509,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":1510,"indexable":719},213,"224108","For you to understand, Josias, Rockbridge's function in the United States is to finance campaigns.",996.7,1000.22,"ac3b1e06-abf4-400c-ae1f-1b4712a11dba","finance political campaigns through Rockbridge","explains Rockbridge's function as a campaign funder.",{"idx":1512,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},214,"224109","What does Rocket Beat do?",1000.8,1001.56,{"idx":1518,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1523,"target_proposition":1524,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":1525,"indexable":719},215,"224110","It was a kind of one of those super PACs that are formed in American elections with the aim of electing candidates within a certain current.",1001.68,1008.98,"8525de69-be69-4d23-ae55-f48dd7087586","create super PACs to finance campaigns","defines the role of 'super packs' in American elections.",{"idx":1527,"utterance_id":1528,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1529,"start_s":1530,"end_s":1531,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1523,"target_proposition":1524,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":1532,"indexable":180},216,"224111","They did this with Jade Vance.",1009.04,1010.28,"cites an example of these groups' role in elections.",{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1539,"target_proposition":1540,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":1541,"indexable":719},217,"224112","So their international purpose is that: to do business.",1010.78,1014.7,"cfdd9ab7-53b6-4c66-bed1-69834eca5fbf","carry out international campaign financing","states that these groups' international purpose is to do electoral business.",{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1548,"indexable":719},218,"224113","If they put money into Flávio's campaign, or into Flávio's allies, or set up a structure, then it has to be investigated, Josias.",1015.16,1020.56,"says explicitly 'aí tem que 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relationship.",{"idx":1580,"utterance_id":1581,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1582,"start_s":1583,"end_s":1584,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1201,"topic_label":108,"target_id":1202,"target_proposition":1203,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1585,"indexable":719},223,"224118","Then it is up not only to the press, but also to the justice system.",1032.38,1035.76,"Says it is up to journalism and the justice system to investigate.",{"idx":1587,"utterance_id":1588,"speaker_name":175,"text":1589,"start_s":1590,"end_s":1591,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},224,"224119","Speaking of investigation, we began our conversation talking about the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), and you have always spoken a lot about this case.",1035.78,1043.08,{"idx":1593,"utterance_id":1594,"speaker_name":175,"text":1595,"start_s":1596,"end_s":1597,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1598,"target_proposition":1599,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":1600,"indexable":719},225,"224120","With the investigation actually confirmed today: Flávio Bolsonaro, target of the investigation into the request for money from Daniel Vorcaro for his father's film.",1043.44,1053.48,"fa83f9ad-8fcb-4119-a6ba-9373b904ce65","investigate a request for money from Daniel Vorcaro","Reports an investigation into a request for money for a film.",{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":175,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},226,"224121","How do you see the complication of this for Flávio Bolsonaro?",1053.78,1057.4,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},227,"224122","I think, again, I think the moment we're going through is all very crazy.",1060.08,1063.14,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1619,"target_proposition":1620,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1621,"rationale":1622,"indexable":719},228,"224123","Because I think it brings serious legal problems.",1063.34,1067.64,"3d17eef5-7a18-4cd2-89b9-00139d993098","investigate legal implications of requests for money from businessmen",0.76,"Says the story raises serious legal problems.",{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1629,"target_proposition":1630,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":1631,"indexable":719},229,"224124","I think that as investigations advance, I think Flávio Bolsonaro has real implications, as someone who... traded favors.",1067.82,1074.16,"e65d4fb2-4316-4178-a09c-691a03f2f3c9","investigate the use of intermediaries tied to politicians in contracts","Claims Flávio is implicated and mentions an exchange of favors.",{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},230,"224125","We still have to see what the return was.",1074.18,1075.58,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1644,"target_proposition":1645,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":1646,"indexable":180},231,"224126","And I think the conversations that will leak from Vorcaro can shed light on this.",1075.62,1078.86,"1622f432-9c06-4d15-806f-673d2b4345af","use leaked conversations as part of investigations","Says that leaked conversations from Vorcaro could shed light.",{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},232,"224127","I have a suspicion.",1079.14,1080.04,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":391,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1658,"target_proposition":1659,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":1660,"indexable":180},"224128","I think these are facts that involved his father's government, especially those decrees that involved payroll-deductible credit, including for social benefits, which greatly benefited the product that was of sexta and Banco Master there in 2022.",1080.08,1092.3,"f4201cf3-f507-4bd2-99d1-4b75e6cbad6e","investigate favoritism of institutions via payroll loan decrees","Suggests facts involving decrees that benefited a product and a bank.",{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1667,"target_proposition":1668,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1669,"indexable":719},234,"224129","But I think the investigation has to move forward and I think they have to get to the facts.",1092.6,1096.74,"8cf9b512-5ea6-46f9-b22a-6a055514cc18","investigate and clarify allegations against public officials","Clearly states that 'a investigação tem que andar'.",{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},235,"224130","The question is the political implication.",1096.88,1098.08,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":48,"indexable":180},236,"224131","The political implication for the elections... We have to understand that both part of bolsonarism and part of lulism have a very large resilience.",1098.32,1104.74,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":285,"indexable":180},237,"224132","It won't... They can catch Flávio beating his own mother, and people will say, but he beat her in a patriotic manner.",1104.96,1110.86,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},238,"224133","Same thing with Lula, with the voter himself.",1110.88,1112.28,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},239,"224134","So, part of those voters won't care.",1112.72,1115.52,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},240,"224135","And I think that's the tone of the game.",1116.06,1118.6,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},241,"224136","No matter how much press coverage there is, no matter how much the opponents, in my case, hammer on that, also hammer on Lulinha's involvement with Lula, the voter doesn't pay much attention, Fabio.",1118.78,1127.82,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},242,"224137","It's not that it's every voter.",1129.12,1129.92,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},243,"224138","There are voters who do pay attention.",1130.28,1131.72,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1725,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1726,"start_s":1727,"end_s":1728,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},"224139","There is an anti-PT (Workers' Party) voter who is not necessarily a Bolsonaro supporter.",1132.92,1136.52,{"idx":1730,"utterance_id":1731,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1732,"start_s":1733,"end_s":1734,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},245,"224140","What characterizes that voter?",1137.12,1138.86,{"idx":1736,"utterance_id":1737,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1738,"start_s":1739,"end_s":1740,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},246,"224141","He is disengaged.",1138.88,1139.78,{"idx":1742,"utterance_id":1743,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1744,"start_s":1745,"end_s":1746,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},247,"224142","To pick up what Josias mentioned at the beginning of the interview.",1140.14,1142.64,{"idx":1748,"utterance_id":1749,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1750,"start_s":1751,"end_s":1752,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},248,"224143","Ah, Cury has gained ground.",1142.94,1143.66,{"idx":1754,"utterance_id":1755,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1756,"start_s":1757,"end_s":1758,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},249,"224144","Cury gained ground precisely with that group of voters.",1143.68,1145,{"idx":1760,"utterance_id":1761,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1762,"start_s":1763,"end_s":1764,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},250,"224145","A voter who is... He is not just depoliticized; he is anti‑political.",1145.4,1148.98,{"idx":1766,"utterance_id":1767,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1768,"start_s":1769,"end_s":1770,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},251,"224146","He doesn't even want to hear political commentary and Cury seems like just a friendly grandpa there.",1149.44,1153.56,{"idx":1772,"utterance_id":1773,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1774,"start_s":1775,"end_s":1776,"word_count":27,"indexable":180},252,"224147","Then, as with the drone episode, then the person... Whoa, let me step away because this doesn't seem very appropriate to me, but... This voter will at some point make a decision.",1154.08,1162.32,{"idx":1778,"utterance_id":1779,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1780,"start_s":1781,"end_s":1782,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},253,"224148","Will his decision also be based on these allegations?",1162.46,1164.9,{"idx":1784,"utterance_id":1785,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1786,"start_s":1787,"end_s":1788,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},254,"224149","That's the question everyone wants answered.",1165.34,1166.5,{"idx":1790,"utterance_id":1791,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1792,"start_s":1793,"end_s":1794,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},255,"224150","Because if it is, then Flávio loses.",1166.84,1168.62,{"idx":1796,"utterance_id":1797,"speaker_name":175,"text":1798,"start_s":1799,"end_s":1800,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},256,"224151","Just to return to that point... How do the candidates who could be alternatives to the poles behave?",1170.68,1178.84,{"idx":1802,"utterance_id":1803,"speaker_name":175,"text":1804,"start_s":1805,"end_s":1806,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},257,"224152","The voter who looks sideways is searching for an opportunity to move away from Lula or from Flávio Bolsonaro.",1179.66,1186.42,{"idx":1808,"utterance_id":1809,"speaker_name":175,"text":1810,"start_s":1811,"end_s":1812,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},258,"224153","Then he finds the alternative... Renan Santos, and starts to follow him.",1187.14,1191.62,{"idx":1814,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":175,"text":1816,"start_s":1817,"end_s":1818,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1819,"target_proposition":1820,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":1821,"indexable":719},259,"224154","Today the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is in the hot seat, has become a glasshouse because of the behavior of some of its ministers who engaged improperly, to say the least, with Daniel Borcaro.",1193.86,1205.64,"81d2097f-ea10-4cc4-9844-6f23fe8b5259","investigate possible biases of STF ministers","Says that the STF has become a 'vidraça' due to improper behavior.",{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":175,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},260,"224155","Now, back in 2022, it seems that Lula's victory was influenced... by the democratic factor.",1205.74,1215.1,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":175,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},261,"224156","People looked at Bolsonaro and said, well, this is a threat to democracy itself.",1215.36,1220.3,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":175,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},262,"224157","And then Lula won by a very small margin.",1220.72,1223.06,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":175,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":48,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1846,"target_proposition":1847,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1848,"indexable":719},263,"224158","And now look to the side and see Renan Santos saying, if I'm elected, I will not comply with some decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",1223.7,1230.36,"a9d24f85-7acf-4008-8dc6-2b45c2265f52","refuse to comply with illegal STF decisions","A rhetorical question suggesting that not complying would be anti-democratic.",{"idx":1850,"utterance_id":1851,"speaker_name":175,"text":1852,"start_s":1853,"end_s":1854,"word_count":42,"indexable":180},264,"224159","I know your point of view, you've already expressed it in other interviews and hearings, but I wanted to understand: how can one not comply with a decision of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",1230.96,1239.7,{"idx":1856,"utterance_id":1857,"speaker_name":175,"text":1858,"start_s":1859,"end_s":1860,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1861,"target_proposition":1862,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":1863,"indexable":180},265,"224160","Because by the democratic system... by logical procedure, whoever disagrees with a decision of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) will appeal.",1239.78,1247.28,"25dc3cff-0547-4be7-bd21-b37b6641ea9b","appeal decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) instead of disobeying them","Expresses a democratic norm: disagreements are resolved by appeal.",{"idx":1865,"utterance_id":1866,"speaker_name":175,"text":1867,"start_s":1868,"end_s":1869,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},266,"224161","And a president will use the AGU to do that and so on.",1247.8,1251.52,{"idx":1871,"utterance_id":1872,"speaker_name":175,"text":1873,"start_s":1874,"end_s":1875,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1846,"target_proposition":1847,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1876,"indexable":719},267,"224162","Now, simply failing to comply with a judicial decision wouldn't that be undemocratic behavior?",1251.76,1258.76,"Asks whether not complying would be anti-democratic.",{"idx":1878,"utterance_id":1879,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1880,"start_s":1881,"end_s":1882,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1846,"target_proposition":1847,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":1883,"indexable":180},268,"224163","No, not at all.",1259.12,1260.24,"Denies that noncompliance is anti-democratic ('Não, de maneira alguma').",{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1846,"target_proposition":1847,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":1890,"indexable":180},269,"224164","There have been previous non‑compliances.",1261.14,1262.46,"Reminds that there have been previous instances of noncompliance.",{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1846,"target_proposition":1847,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":1897,"indexable":719},270,"224165","There is a 1996 ruling by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) itself saying that an illegal decision does not have to be complied with.",1262.52,1266.14,"Invokes a 1996 ruling: 'decisão ilegal não se cumpre'.",{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},271,"224166","And I do not believe we are living in a normal republican democratic regime.",1267.44,1271.48,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1910,"target_proposition":1911,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":1912,"indexable":180},272,"224167","What we are witnessing happen in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), if anyone wants to take this discussion to any legal field, is just a debate of force.",1272.68,1278.06,"d9dd0fe9-831b-40cb-bd51-948d4bd0bbe8","criticize the political actions of the STF","Describes the STF's actions as a 'debate de força'.",{"idx":1914,"utterance_id":1915,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1916,"start_s":1917,"end_s":1918,"word_count":263,"indexable":180},273,"224168","It's the presentation of rhetorical armies and palatial power plays that have nothing to do with the Democratic Rule of Law, the Republic — it has nothing to do with it.",1278.7,1290.38,{"idx":1920,"utterance_id":1921,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1922,"start_s":1923,"end_s":1924,"word_count":462,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1925,"target_proposition":1926,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":1928,"indexable":719},274,"224169","The STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) has been behaving anomalously for a long time and this anomaly has been occurring now, in the last two years at least, because of their interests in economic protection, because of the involvement of STF ministers in corruption scandals and their political allies.",1291.82,1305.28,"073c4f12-97d4-4551-9430-20b313f0b85f","investigate financial transactions between suspects and members of the Judiciary",0.82,"Alleges ministers' involvement in scandals and economic interests.",{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1935,"target_proposition":1936,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":1937,"indexable":719},275,"224170","That's what they're doing and for us to say that the country must submit to this is madness.",1305.66,1310.6,"d40772a3-3c1c-4d84-b8d1-15e38ea70709","submit the country to the decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","Says that subjecting the country to that 'é loucura'.",{"idx":1939,"utterance_id":1940,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1941,"start_s":1942,"end_s":1943,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1935,"target_proposition":1936,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":1944,"indexable":719},276,"224171","I will not subject the country to that.",1310.84,1312.02,"Declares 'Eu não vou submeter o país a isso'.",{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":175,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},277,"224172","Wouldn't failing to comply with a judicial decision be adding abnormality to the anomaly?",1314.24,1319.28,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":1846,"target_proposition":1847,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":1957,"indexable":719},278,"224173","No, because if I comply with an illegal decision, I'm also entering that game.",1319.86,1323.82,"Justifies not complying with illegal decisions to avoid a power play.",{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":175,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},279,"224174","And who will decide whether the decision is illegal or not?",1324.1,1327.46,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},280,"224175","The law, the constitution and, I'll give an example, the president of the republic.",1327.54,1330.14,{"idx":1971,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":353,"indexable":180},281,"224176","It's that I'm not speaking here — we're taking something I said on the podcast, then they jumped to Globo News and now let's look at the original statement.",1330.16,1339.16,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},282,"224177","I said, look, I'm in the middle of an operation, in a favela in Rio de Janeiro.",1339.4,1343.02,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},283,"224178","I'm liberating the people who are in that favela.",1343.22,1344.94,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},284,"224179","Then that objection always comes up.",1345.26,1346.76,{"idx":512,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},"224180","Ah, but some big shot will come and will issue a monocratic order.",1346.78,1348.48,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2005,"target_proposition":2006,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":2007,"indexable":719},286,"224181","If I'm in the middle of a delicate operation, with police acting, federal police acting, and a decision comes ordering a stop, an illegal decision is not complied with.",1348.88,1356.02,"641c9752-b36d-4109-a0e4-de6597325795","not comply with single-judge court decisions that interrupt police operations","Affirms 'decisão ilegal não se cumpre' in the context of a police operation.",{"idx":2009,"utterance_id":2010,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2011,"start_s":2012,"end_s":2013,"word_count":391,"indexable":180},287,"224182","If I am fulfilling all the constitutional requirements and the prerogatives of a president of the republic in carrying out this act, I will not put people at risk, the police at risk, because of a monocratic decision.",1356.14,1365.06,{"idx":2015,"utterance_id":2016,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2017,"start_s":2018,"end_s":2019,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},288,"224183","I will not.",1365.44,1365.76,{"idx":2021,"utterance_id":2022,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2023,"start_s":2024,"end_s":2025,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},289,"224184","And how do you do that?",1366.02,1366.8,{"idx":2027,"utterance_id":2028,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2029,"start_s":2030,"end_s":2031,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":2032,"topic_label":2033,"target_id":2034,"target_proposition":2035,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2036,"indexable":180},290,"224185","You consult the AGU.",1366.82,1367.74,"poder-executivo","Executive Branch","07a217a4-1e58-4ce6-86de-9d74639b9c52","consult the AGU on the legality of judicial decisions","Indicates consulting the AGU as an operational procedure.",{"idx":2038,"utterance_id":2039,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2040,"start_s":2041,"end_s":2042,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},291,"224186","Look, AGU, is this decision correct?",1368.4,1369.72,{"idx":2044,"utterance_id":2045,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2046,"start_s":2047,"end_s":2048,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},292,"224187","No, it's not.",1369.9,1370.26,{"idx":2050,"utterance_id":2051,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2052,"start_s":2053,"end_s":2054,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},293,"224188","Ah, so am I going to put people at risk?",1370.68,1371.92,{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":175,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},294,"224189","No, I won't put them at risk.",1371.98,1372.58,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},295,"224190","Also, let me explain, Fabrício, one thing that needs to be clear here.",1373.22,1375.5,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":2072,"target_proposition":2073,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":2074,"indexable":719},"224191","I do not recognize Alexandre de Moraes and Dias Toffoli as legitimate.",1375.76,1378.32,"0f00b719-88fa-41ea-afc6-2e68aab734c6","recognize the legitimacy of ministers of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","States he does not see legitimacy in Alexandre de Moraes and Toffoli.",{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},297,"224192","To me they are non‑ministers.",1379.12,1380.32,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},298,"224193","To me they shouldn't be on the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",1380.66,1381.86,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},299,"224194","To me their presence is anomalous.",1382.14,1383.96,{"idx":2094,"utterance_id":2095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2096,"start_s":2097,"end_s":2098,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},300,"224195","Are we going to keep pretending everything is normal?",1384.2,1385.76,{"idx":2100,"utterance_id":2101,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2102,"start_s":2103,"end_s":2104,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":2105,"target_proposition":2106,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":2107,"indexable":719},301,"224196","Look, there are these ministers who are crooks, who do business, are receiving money, who are using investigations as bargaining tools.",1385.98,1391.48,"8d8a7645-160a-4260-b5f8-626a9e713f23","investigate suspicions involving ministers of the Supreme Federal Tribunal","Accuses ministers of 'receber dinheiro' and of using inquiries as bargaining chips.",{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},302,"224197","and I'm going to... I will not accept it.",1391.7,1393.14,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":2120,"target_proposition":2121,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":2122,"indexable":719},303,"224198","If I win the election, I will not treat a decision that comes from Dias Toffoli and Alexandre as acceptable.",1393.44,1398.18,"6d0b780b-9cdf-4eb7-bd7e-d82eb642f7f3","treat decisions of Dias Toffoli and Alexandre de Moraes as acceptable","Says he will not consider those ministers' decisions acceptable if elected.",{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":175,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},304,"224199","That made the candidate interesting.",1398.2,1399.56,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":175,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},305,"224200","Let's take, since you mentioned that example of an operation in a favela, let's take a decision now.",1399.72,1406.18,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":2136,"speaker_name":175,"text":2137,"start_s":2138,"end_s":2139,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},"224201","Mendonça removes the director‑general of the Federal Police.",1406.72,1410.46,{"idx":2141,"utterance_id":2142,"speaker_name":175,"text":2143,"start_s":2144,"end_s":2145,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},307,"224202","If you were president instead of Lula, would you comply or not?",1410.5,1414.98,{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":175,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},308,"224203","I would say, no, my director of the Federal Police will stay.",1415.12,1418.3,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},309,"224204","Each case is different.",1418.56,1419.42,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":2032,"topic_label":2033,"target_id":2164,"target_proposition":2165,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2166,"indexable":719},310,"224205","In that case, André Rodrigues is involved in that corruption scandal and the investigation covers that, you would comply.",1420.8,1426.42,"22830a48-fb73-4166-8c5d-6d75a2c6d83e","comply with removals of Federal Police directors when investigations point to corruption","Says he would comply with a removal if involvement in a scandal is proven.",{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},311,"224206","But that has nothing to do with it.",1426.9,1427.72,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":432,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":2179,"target_proposition":2180,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2181,"indexable":719},312,"224207","If it's an appointed person who is constitutionally performing their duty, and at the same time they are not involved in a corruption scandal, and then a minister makes an ultimately political decision to remove him, just to remove him, that would not be accepted.",1427.76,1438.7,"02785ea7-d778-42f4-ab8c-46414a60d81e","accept political decisions by ministers aimed at removing appointees without evidence","Says a minister's political decision to overturn something without proof will not be accepted.",{"idx":2183,"utterance_id":2184,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2185,"start_s":2186,"end_s":2187,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},313,"224208","Because what we cannot allow, again, is this palatial power game that crosses the lines of institutional order.",1438.96,1445.24,{"idx":2189,"utterance_id":2190,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2191,"start_s":2192,"end_s":2193,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},314,"224209","Someone is crossing the lines of institutional norms.",1445.54,1447.1,{"idx":2195,"utterance_id":2196,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2197,"start_s":2198,"end_s":2199,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},315,"224210","Today the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is crossing those lines.",1448,1449.8,{"idx":2201,"utterance_id":2202,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2203,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},316,"224211","Today the politicians who are involved in the same scandals, in the same orgies with members of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), are part of this.",1450.04,1454.76,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},317,"224212","If we continue to treat in strictly institutional terms what is happening via agents who are not institutional, we'll go crazy.",1455.16,1463.98,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},318,"224213","Which is the madness of pretending that a decision that comes from Alexandre de Moraes today is institutional.",1464.02,1467.56,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},319,"224214","That it has formal rigor, that it is obeying Hans Kelsen's pyramid.",1467.9,1471.64,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},320,"224215","It has nothing to do with it.",1471.66,1472.22,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},321,"224216","This is just a power game.",1472.48,1473.52,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},322,"224217","This here is an institutional orgy that they are conducting.",1473.8,1476.36,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":2247,"target_proposition":2248,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":2249,"indexable":180},"224218","And someone will have to break this.",1476.74,1477.88,"89384104-9bad-421d-a8d1-53be7191b372","break the political-institutional dominance of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","States that 'alguém vai ter que quebrar isso'.",{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":175,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},324,"224219","This needs to be broken.",1477.98,1479.2,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":175,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":42,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":2262,"target_proposition":2263,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1438,"rationale":2264,"indexable":719},325,"224220","To situate the issue in the terms you put it, I'm conducting an operation in a favela and an order comes saying it must be halted — simply do not comply.",1480.5,1490.86,"f406fab7-4fec-444b-901f-f5a59fa97557","disobey judicial decisions that harm police operations","Repeats an example of not complying with an order that would interrupt an operation.",{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":175,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":381,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2271,"target_proposition":2272,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":2273,"indexable":180},326,"224221","Regarding peripheral areas and combatting organized crime, your proposals are also controversial: you said there must be... a state of exception, a permanent state of defense in territories controlled by criminal organizations.",1490.9,1509.64,"6fef86da-8e8b-481a-b2ce-0561cfe6911f","decree states of defense and federal interventions to confront organized crime","Reports a controversial proposal for a regime of exception\u002Flocalization.",{"idx":2275,"utterance_id":2276,"speaker_name":175,"text":2277,"start_s":2278,"end_s":2279,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2280,"target_proposition":2281,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2282,"indexable":719},327,"224222","And you've also said that blood must gush, and it has to gush on the right side, which is the criminals' side.",1509.66,1515.86,"61d4ff0f-7004-422c-8ec0-02221654dd8f","authorize lethal force against criminals who threaten civilians","Reports a statement that 'o sangue tem que jorrar' against banditry.",{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":175,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2289,"target_proposition":2290,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":2291,"indexable":719},328,"224223","Now, the State represents the opposite of banditry.",1515.9,1519.86,"554b78d9-4efe-4a8b-90b3-63d8efd356b8","reduce homicides and combat organized crime","defends combating organized crime 'dentro das regras'.",{"idx":2293,"utterance_id":2294,"speaker_name":175,"text":2295,"start_s":2296,"end_s":2297,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},329,"224224","The State has to combat organized crime, the criminals, with full rigor.",1520.02,1525.38,{"idx":2299,"utterance_id":2300,"speaker_name":175,"text":2301,"start_s":2302,"end_s":2303,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},330,"224225","Now, within the democratic rule of law, within the rules.",1525.94,1530.18,{"idx":2305,"utterance_id":2306,"speaker_name":175,"text":2307,"start_s":2308,"end_s":2309,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},331,"224226","And not resort to spilling blood.",1530.8,1532.32,{"idx":2311,"utterance_id":2312,"speaker_name":175,"text":2313,"start_s":2314,"end_s":2315,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},332,"224227","Spilling blood can be an alternative depending on the situation presented.",1532.56,1538.3,{"idx":2317,"utterance_id":2318,"speaker_name":175,"text":2319,"start_s":2320,"end_s":2321,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},333,"224228","Now, the State is not going into the favela to spill blood.",1538.62,1541.68,{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":175,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":353,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2280,"target_proposition":2281,"stance":1455,"stance_confidence":2328,"rationale":2329,"indexable":180},334,"224229","So, I want to ask you: this state of exception, if there is a court order to block some operation that is resorting to this type of regime not provided for in national legislation...",1541.76,1553.52,0.5,"suggests violence conditionally without stating it clearly.",{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":175,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2336,"target_proposition":2337,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2338,"indexable":180},335,"224230","Would you simply not comply?",1554.84,1556.18,"cacca976-3eb8-4f5d-83ad-c6e0e9d560d4","use lethal force indiscriminately in favelas","denies that the State will go to the favela to 'derramar sangue'.",{"idx":2340,"utterance_id":2341,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2342,"start_s":2343,"end_s":2344,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2345,"target_proposition":2346,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2347,"indexable":719},336,"224231","Sorry, Josias, the state of defense is provided for in the Constitution.",1556.64,1559.92,"36515ea9-c254-465c-8990-12030618c418","declare a state of siege or state of defense in situations of serious threat to order","states that the state of defense is constitutionally provided for.",{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},337,"224232","to correct an inaccuracy you made.",1560.72,1562.54,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2360,"target_proposition":2361,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2362,"indexable":180},338,"224233","There is no permanent state of defense.",1562.64,1565.66,"e8d97bc2-a1ea-4e3d-817b-80f34fc0bc65","declare a permanent state of defense","says there is no permanent state of defense.",{"idx":2364,"utterance_id":2365,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2366,"start_s":2367,"end_s":2368,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2369,"target_proposition":2370,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":2371,"indexable":719},339,"224234","It is valid for a maximum of 60 days.",1566.54,1568.98,"456dd542-02e2-4007-83b3-b4e61867a054","validate a state of defense for more than 60 days","states the legal limit of 60 days for the state of defense.",{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},340,"224235","So it is not permanent.",1569.52,1570.5,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},341,"224236","It must be used only on specific occasions.",1570.62,1572.24,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2345,"target_proposition":2346,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":2390,"indexable":719},342,"224237","And I'll make it clear to you: since above all I am a democrat, I will do it only locally, on specific occasions — not put the entire country in a state of defense.",1572.52,1580.52,"proposes a targeted, local use of the state of defense.",{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2345,"target_proposition":2346,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2397,"indexable":719},343,"224238","We will, on specific occasions — in the operation we need to carry out, in that set of cities, in those nodes where Comando Vermelho and PCC are operating — place them in a state of defense.",1581.98,1590.56,"details targeted application in pockets controlled by factions.",{"idx":2399,"utterance_id":2400,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2401,"start_s":2402,"end_s":2403,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2404,"target_proposition":2405,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2406,"indexable":719},344,"224239","If a state of defense is not necessary, go with a GLO, which by definition is not permanent.",1591.26,1596.56,"b478b35f-c568-46dd-b0fa-b6980a4fdc82","decree Guarantee of Law and Order (GLO) operations at the start of the government","proposes GLO as an alternative when a state of defense is not necessary.",{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2413,"target_proposition":2414,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2415,"indexable":719},345,"224240","And nor should they be, because if you keep the entire country in a state of defense, you can't, for example, pass reforms.",1597.08,1601.8,"b7704ba8-3093-4b00-80e5-88675ecda23e","keep the entire country in a state of defense","argues that a national state of defense would prevent reforms.",{"idx":2417,"utterance_id":2418,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2419,"start_s":2420,"end_s":2421,"word_count":408,"indexable":180},346,"224241","You can't pass anything in Congress that would address the other problems, the other battles we have to face, which are the wars in the economic sphere, the war against impunity, which is the central issue for Brazil.",1601.82,1610.44,{"idx":2423,"utterance_id":2424,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2425,"start_s":2426,"end_s":2427,"word_count":287,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2280,"target_proposition":2281,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":2428,"rationale":2429,"indexable":719},347,"224242","Now, returning to this topic, when I say the criminal's blood will gush, I repeat that.",1611,1616.38,0.84,"repeats the expression 'sangue do bandido que vai jorrar' as a stance.",{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},348,"224243","If the criminal wants to surrender, and we don't need any blood, he surrenders.",1616.86,1620.34,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},349,"224244","Now, it's the nature of an organization that isn't even paramilitary — it is military, militarized, trained, using drones in combat.",1620.92,1628.3,{"idx":2443,"utterance_id":2444,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2445,"start_s":2446,"end_s":2447,"word_count":293,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2448,"target_proposition":2449,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2450,"indexable":719},350,"224245","If Comando Vermelho wants to surrender, I can, on my first day in the presidency, say: please, surrender.",1628.76,1632.14,"9435e7b0-6280-4b16-85c8-fe9c23620439","promote the surrender of criminal organizations","offers surrender as an alternative on the first day of government.",{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":175,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},351,"224246","Are you in favor of the death penalty?",1632.7,1634.52,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":175,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},352,"224247","You talk a lot about this business of killing criminals.",1634.56,1637.64,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":175,"text":2454,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},353,"224248",1637.66,1639,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":175,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},354,"224249","Personally, I am.",1639.46,1640.1,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":175,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},355,"224250","Would you put that up for discussion in Brazil?",1641.18,1642.8,{"idx":2481,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2483,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":2486,"topic_label":2487,"target_id":2488,"target_proposition":2489,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2490,"indexable":180},356,"224251","Not at the beginning of my term.",1643.16,1644.18,"politica-penal","Criminal Policy","1a20149c-036e-41d9-b169-c25d5016c8f9","establish the death penalty","declares 'não no início do meu mandato' about the death penalty.",{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2494,"start_s":2495,"end_s":2496,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":2486,"topic_label":2487,"target_id":2488,"target_proposition":2489,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2497,"indexable":719},357,"224252","During the four-year term, I think it's a discussion that's not possible, because you would need a new Constitution.",1645.84,1650.2,"states that the discussion would require a new Constitution, not feasible in four years.",{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},358,"224253","If you mean a PEC, that's a new Constitution.",1650.34,1652.56,{"idx":2505,"utterance_id":2506,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2507,"start_s":2508,"end_s":2509,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2510,"target_proposition":2511,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":2512,"indexable":719},359,"224254","And I think I can defeat organized crime without needing that.",1652.72,1654.78,"e9d294dc-ade9-4fb2-a8bf-f276526aa0cb","implement the death penalty","says organized crime can be defeated without resorting to the death penalty.",{"idx":2514,"utterance_id":2515,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2516,"start_s":2517,"end_s":2518,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},360,"224255","Now, speaking in terms of principle, I think certain people who commit atrocities have no place.",1655.1,1660,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":2520,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2521,"start_s":2522,"end_s":2523,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},"224256","I am going to be trying to rehabilitate them.",1660.04,1661.48,{"idx":2525,"utterance_id":2526,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2527,"start_s":2528,"end_s":2529,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},362,"224257","I think they are people who don't belong in civilized society.",1661.9,1667.82,{"idx":2531,"utterance_id":2532,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2533,"start_s":2534,"end_s":2535,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},363,"224258","And it's a debate, in my view.",1668.12,1669.9,{"idx":2537,"utterance_id":2538,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2539,"start_s":2540,"end_s":2541,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},364,"224259","It wasn't even raised by me.",1670.44,1671.66,{"idx":2543,"utterance_id":2544,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2545,"start_s":2546,"end_s":2547,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},365,"224260","I am not a political leader coming from the police world.",1672.06,1675.78,{"idx":2549,"utterance_id":2550,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2551,"start_s":2552,"end_s":2553,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},366,"224261","I'm not.",1676.28,1676.62,{"idx":2555,"utterance_id":2556,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2557,"start_s":2558,"end_s":2559,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},367,"224262","Now, when I toured Brazil, the population asked me, 'Renan, for the love of God, do something.'",1676.98,1681.52,{"idx":2561,"utterance_id":2562,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2563,"start_s":2564,"end_s":2565,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},368,"224263","'Kill those guys.'",1681.54,1682.36,{"idx":2567,"utterance_id":2568,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2569,"start_s":2570,"end_s":2571,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},369,"224264","And especially the poorest people are worried about this.",1682.78,1684.88,{"idx":2573,"utterance_id":2574,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2575,"start_s":2576,"end_s":2577,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},370,"224265","That's very clear.",1685.22,1685.76,{"idx":2579,"utterance_id":2580,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2581,"start_s":2582,"end_s":2583,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},371,"224266","They are the people who suffer most from this issue.",1685.8,1687.08,{"idx":2585,"utterance_id":2586,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2587,"start_s":2588,"end_s":2589,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},372,"224267","And people are coming up with very harsh responses.",1687.1,1688.86,{"idx":2591,"utterance_id":2592,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2593,"start_s":2594,"end_s":2595,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},373,"224268","And those people want those responses.",1689.34,1690.5,{"idx":2597,"utterance_id":2598,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2599,"start_s":2600,"end_s":2601,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},374,"224269","And we need those responses.",1690.52,1691.36,{"idx":2603,"utterance_id":2604,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2605,"start_s":2606,"end_s":2607,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2608,"target_proposition":2609,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":2610,"indexable":719},375,"224270","So much so that I consider the war against organized crime to be the major response a political leader can give to Brazil.",1691.64,1698.04,"49d1b998-4416-468b-bcd8-fa9c913f9c8f","adopt varied strategies to combat organized crime","considers 'guerra contra o crime organizado' the main political response.",{"idx":2612,"utterance_id":2613,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2614,"start_s":2615,"end_s":2616,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},376,"224271","for the problem of polarization in Brazil, which has been taking on various forms.",1698.74,1701.76,{"idx":2618,"utterance_id":2619,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2620,"start_s":2621,"end_s":2622,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},377,"224272","One of the elements of polarization we have is not right versus left, it's regional polarization.",1701.8,1705.88,{"idx":2624,"utterance_id":2625,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2626,"start_s":2627,"end_s":2628,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},378,"224273","It's a class polarization that exists in Brazil.",1706.56,1708.84,{"idx":2630,"utterance_id":2631,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2632,"start_s":2633,"end_s":2634,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},379,"224274","If you go with the poorest person you find on Marajó Island, as I did in Melgaço, or with a resident of the Serra Gaúcha,",1709.66,1716.16,{"idx":2636,"utterance_id":2637,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2638,"start_s":2639,"end_s":2640,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},380,"224275","everyone is worried about the same problem.",1716.5,1717.98,{"idx":2642,"utterance_id":2643,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2644,"start_s":2645,"end_s":2646,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},381,"224276","This public security problem unifies Brazil around a common cause.",1718.32,1720.86,{"idx":2648,"utterance_id":2649,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2650,"start_s":2651,"end_s":2652,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},382,"224277","I think that's important.",1720.88,1721.62,{"idx":2654,"utterance_id":2655,"speaker_name":175,"text":2656,"start_s":2657,"end_s":2658,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},383,"224278","Renan, it's interesting that you just said at the beginning of the interview that you're a softie.",1721.8,1725.36,{"idx":2660,"utterance_id":2661,"speaker_name":175,"text":2662,"start_s":2663,"end_s":2664,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},384,"224279","You saw that just now.",1725.42,1727.5,{"idx":2666,"utterance_id":2667,"speaker_name":175,"text":2668,"start_s":2669,"end_s":2670,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},385,"224280","That you're a softie.",1728.1,1729,{"idx":2672,"utterance_id":2673,"speaker_name":175,"text":2674,"start_s":2675,"end_s":2676,"word_count":509,"topic_slug":2486,"topic_label":2487,"target_id":2677,"target_proposition":2678,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2679,"indexable":719},386,"224281","However, your government program and even your statements, like the one you just made in favor of the death penalty, are quite extreme and go in a very different direction from what Brazil is used to and from the everyday life of Brazilians as a whole.",1729.18,1743.78,"6e7fb147-e393-4cb3-b89d-e6a6edf62b33","institute life imprisonment","lists 'prisão perpétua' as an item of the government plan.",{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":175,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":521,"indexable":180},387,"224282","In your government project, in your government plan registered at the TSE (Superior Electoral Court), there is life imprisonment — which you do defend and propose — the end of quotas for Black people, the end of the CLT and of the Labor Court, there is also the atomic bomb, the banning of funk in schools, and the end of university autonomy.",1744.98,1765.5,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":175,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},388,"224283","You have also spoken about this.",1765.54,1767.7,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":175,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},389,"224284","Do you consider yourself a radical?",1768.3,1770.08,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},390,"224285","No, I consider myself a sensible person.",1771.08,1772.8,{"idx":2705,"utterance_id":2706,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2707,"start_s":2708,"end_s":2709,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},391,"224286","There is nothing radical in any of the things you listed.",1773.02,1774.64,{"idx":2711,"utterance_id":2712,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2713,"start_s":2714,"end_s":2715,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},392,"224287","Absolutely nothing radical.",1775.3,1776.3,{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},393,"224288","Which of these proposals is radical?",1777.02,1778.38,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},394,"224289","Name one that's radical.",1780.56,1781.26,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":175,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},395,"224290","The voter who can decide.",1781.34,1782.72,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":175,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},396,"224291","No, the voter — perfect.",1782.78,1784,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":175,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},397,"224292","But do you agree that you bring a project for the country that is absolutely different from what Brazilians are used to or not?",1786.28,1793.82,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},398,"224293","Maybe, and that's good news, right?",1794.34,1795.8,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2755,"start_s":2756,"end_s":2757,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},399,"224294","It seems to me that Brazil is also not very happy with the State.",1796.12,1797.72,{"idx":2759,"utterance_id":2760,"speaker_name":175,"text":2761,"start_s":2762,"end_s":2763,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},400,"224295","But why isn't the voter choosing you, then?",1797.74,1799.2,{"idx":2765,"utterance_id":2766,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2767,"start_s":2768,"end_s":2769,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},401,"224296","Because voters still don't know me.",1799.5,1800.42,{"idx":2771,"utterance_id":2772,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2773,"start_s":2774,"end_s":2775,"word_count":381,"indexable":180},402,"224297","Not only do they not know me, but there is a process today — and this election was marked by that — of isolating new alternatives because of the TSE regulation that prevents algorithms from functioning in these elections.",1801.92,1812.96,{"idx":2777,"utterance_id":2778,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2779,"start_s":2780,"end_s":2781,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},403,"224298","New entrants have a very serious, a terrible difficulty in communicating because of this TSE resolution.",1813.36,1819.86,{"idx":2783,"utterance_id":2784,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2785,"start_s":2786,"end_s":2787,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},404,"224299","What does this TSE resolution do?",1819.94,1821.8,{"idx":2789,"utterance_id":2790,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2791,"start_s":2792,"end_s":2793,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},405,"224300","It prevents an algorithm that recommends content from breaking the filter bubble of that particular candidate.",1822.2,1827.82,{"idx":2795,"utterance_id":2796,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2797,"start_s":2798,"end_s":2799,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},406,"224301","Who can break this bubble or pierce this bubble today?",1828.18,1830.56,{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},407,"224302","Those who have money to do paid promotion.",1830.6,1832.54,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},408,"224303","So what was done was a market reserve.",1832.86,1834.4,{"idx":2813,"utterance_id":2814,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2815,"start_s":2816,"end_s":2817,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},409,"224304","So much so that this even helps explain the nature of this election now.",1834.76,1837.78,{"idx":2819,"utterance_id":2820,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2821,"start_s":2822,"end_s":2823,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},410,"224305","So it's an election that blocks newness and allows those already established to have money, TV time, and then do their paid promotions.",1838.16,1845.78,{"idx":2825,"utterance_id":2826,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2827,"start_s":2828,"end_s":2829,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},411,"224306","So that's problematic, but I think voters' attention to the electoral period will increase.",1845.8,1852.5,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":2831,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2832,"start_s":2833,"end_s":2834,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},"224307","And that will allow people to get to know [candidates].",1852.74,1854.1,{"idx":2836,"utterance_id":2837,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2838,"start_s":2839,"end_s":2840,"word_count":170,"topic_slug":2841,"topic_label":2842,"target_id":2843,"target_proposition":2844,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2845,"indexable":719},413,"224308","Director, in your government plan, in the economic section, when you talk about your proposals for fiscal adjustment, you speak of deindexing the BPC and pensions from increases in the minimum wage above inflation.",1854.62,1871.26,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Fiscal and Social Policy","745453ca-0a96-40e3-aa08-9a11c04a8802","approve the PEC on fiscal balance that de-indexes benefits and revises parliamentary amendments","points to a proposal to de-index BPC and pensions in the plan.",{"idx":2847,"utterance_id":2848,"speaker_name":175,"text":2849,"start_s":2850,"end_s":2851,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},414,"224309","Last week, Caiado was here and he was talking about his proposals for containing expenditures.",1872.46,1879.16,{"idx":2853,"utterance_id":2854,"speaker_name":175,"text":2855,"start_s":2856,"end_s":2857,"word_count":48,"topic_slug":2841,"topic_label":2842,"target_id":2858,"target_proposition":2859,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":2860,"indexable":719},415,"224310","And when he was asked about this, he rejected that kind of alternative, saying that the adjustment couldn't be made on the backs of the poorest.",1879.84,1888.52,"e3636593-de8a-4d9c-b22a-f56c5ccf1046","implement public spending controls and fiscal austerity policies","reports that another person refused the alternative of adjusting 'em cima dos mais pobres'.",{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":175,"text":2864,"start_s":2865,"end_s":2866,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},416,"224311","Is that what you defend?",1888.54,1890.34,{"idx":2868,"utterance_id":2869,"speaker_name":175,"text":2870,"start_s":2871,"end_s":2872,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},417,"224312","Containing the growth of spending at the expense of the poorest?",1891.78,1896.04,{"idx":2874,"utterance_id":2875,"speaker_name":175,"text":2876,"start_s":2877,"end_s":2878,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},418,"224313","No, because it's not.",1896.58,1897.32,{"idx":2880,"utterance_id":2881,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2882,"start_s":2883,"end_s":2884,"word_count":444,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1047,"rationale":2889,"indexable":719},419,"224314","It's not. The BPC and the minimum wage — increasing pensions based on the minimum wage — doesn't make the people who receive these benefits more able to buy things, because the opposite effect that this generates is an increase in public spending.",1898.68,1914.54,"politica-previdenciaria","Pension Policy","d86509ad-c687-4914-a219-073308cd0a53","preserve the minimum wage linkage to pensions and the BPC","criticizes indexation of the minimum wage as causing increased public spending.",{"idx":2891,"utterance_id":2892,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2893,"start_s":2894,"end_s":2895,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":2896,"indexable":719},420,"224315","Unchecked, this raises the trajectory of interest rates, increases the debt-to-GDP ratio, and makes money more expensive — it's the famous give with one hand and take with the other.",1914.56,1922.02,"links indexation to the interest-rate trajectory and rising public debt.",{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2903,"indexable":719},421,"224316","At the end of the day, a person might even think, 'Wow, my pension was adjusted according to the minimum wage.'",1922.48,1927.54,"states that an indexed adjustment does not increase real purchasing power.",{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2910,"indexable":719},422,"224317","Okay, but the product on the shelf will be more expensive.",1927.88,1929.62,"gives a practical example: prices on store shelves will be higher.",{"idx":2912,"utterance_id":2913,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2914,"start_s":2915,"end_s":2916,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":2917,"indexable":719},423,"224318","This lack of control has consequences that impact people's lives.",1930.62,1933.66,"states that the 'descontrole' of indexation impacts people's lives.",{"idx":2919,"utterance_id":2920,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2921,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":2924,"rationale":2925,"indexable":719},424,"224319","Because otherwise we end up in that discussion of Samara, of UPE: 'No, just don't pay the debt and raise the minimum wage.'",1933.68,1939.12,0.86,"Criticizes the simplistic solution of not paying debt and raising the minimum wage.",{"idx":2927,"utterance_id":2928,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2929,"start_s":2930,"end_s":2931,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":2932,"indexable":719},425,"224320","They're not. No, things aren't that simple.",1939.98,1942.66,"Rejects the simplistic idea of indexing benefits to the minimum wage.",{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":444,"topic_slug":2939,"topic_label":2940,"target_id":2941,"target_proposition":2942,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":2943,"indexable":719},426,"224321","So, deindexations and unlinking — to get into another subject that other candidates don't want to talk about — the unlinking of the health and education spending floors will allow for control of public accounts and greater capacity for the government to propose its budget.",1943.04,1958.4,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Public Health and Hospital Infrastructure","a4383925-9033-4f76-8330-60b9d371dd94","decouple health and education spending floors from the minimum wage","Proposes unlinking the health floor as a way to control public accounts.",{"idx":2945,"utterance_id":2946,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2947,"start_s":2948,"end_s":2949,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":2950,"topic_label":2951,"target_id":2941,"target_proposition":2942,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":2952,"indexable":719},427,"224322","Increasing the capacity for investment increases overall wealth, and by increasing overall wealth you increase purchasing power.",1958.68,1963.26,"financas-municipais","Municipal Finance","States that unlinking would increase investment capacity and overall wealth.",{"idx":2954,"utterance_id":2955,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2956,"start_s":2957,"end_s":2958,"word_count":293,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2959,"target_proposition":2960,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":2961,"indexable":719},428,"224323","And also, we're talking, for example, in this deindexation, where you will not have an automatic trigger.",1963.28,1969.64,"6df21b63-a037-4f33-9185-fbacc314d728","de-index pension benefits from the minimum wage","Advocates deindexing to avoid automatic adjustment triggers.",{"idx":2963,"utterance_id":2964,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2965,"start_s":2966,"end_s":2967,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2968,"target_proposition":2969,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":2970,"indexable":719},429,"224324","In other words, all pensions will be adjusted according to the PCA with inflation, which is how it happens worldwide.",1970.36,1976,"cf1f1d7d-adae-4a55-bd7b-1d3338613771","adjust pensions for inflation and allow real gains when possible","Proposes adjustment according to the PCA\u002Finflation instead of linking to the minimum wage.",{"idx":2972,"utterance_id":2973,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2974,"start_s":2975,"end_s":2976,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2968,"target_proposition":2969,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2977,"indexable":719},430,"224325","All good public management experiences are like this.",1976.58,1978.86,"Claims this is the model adopted by successful international examples.",{"idx":2979,"utterance_id":2980,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2981,"start_s":2982,"end_s":2983,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},431,"224326","Perfect.",1979.66,1980.04,{"idx":2985,"utterance_id":2986,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2987,"start_s":2988,"end_s":2989,"word_count":287,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":2992,"target_proposition":2993,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":2994,"indexable":719},432,"224327","Now, if a president saw that economic growth was happening, the president goes and grants a real increase.",1980.52,1984.88,"politica-salarial","Salary Policy","7b9e1cbe-2ccf-4383-8262-5df39f3ff413","raise the minimum wage above inflation according to the new fiscal rule","Says the president can grant a real increase when GDP grows.",{"idx":2996,"utterance_id":2997,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":2998,"start_s":2999,"end_s":3000,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":2992,"target_proposition":2993,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":3001,"indexable":180},433,"224328","Is such leeway permitted?",1985.5,1987.22,"Asks whether the president has the discretion to grant a real increase.",{"idx":3003,"utterance_id":3004,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3005,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3007,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":34,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3008,"target_proposition":3009,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":3010,"rationale":3011,"indexable":180},434,"224329","That is, I made Brazil's GDP grow by 5% this year.",1987.24,1990.96,"fa9aacff-48b3-4a6b-962c-7d51f26d93fb","prioritize macroeconomic policies for growth and prosperity",0.6,"Describes a hypothetical rise in GDP followed by a budget increase.",{"idx":3013,"utterance_id":3014,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3015,"start_s":3016,"end_s":3017,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":2992,"target_proposition":2993,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":3018,"indexable":180},435,"224330","Did that result in an increase in the budget for the following year?",1991.52,1993.02,"Suggests that an additional increase can be given beyond the adjustment.",{"idx":3020,"utterance_id":3021,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3022,"start_s":3023,"end_s":3024,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":2992,"target_proposition":2993,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1464,"rationale":3025,"indexable":180},436,"224331","Besides the adjustment, was an additional increase granted?",1993.64,1995.7,"Reiterates that a discretionary increase can occur after growth.",{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},437,"224332","That's a floor.",1995.94,1996.74,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":3038,"indexable":719},438,"224333","The whole issue is having this tied to increases in the minimum wage.",1997.1,1999.26,"Claims the problem is keeping adjustments tied to the minimum wage.",{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":34,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":3047,"indexable":719},439,"224334","That has a very bad effect for whom?",1999.48,2001.14,"7f4766b5-9fa6-438b-b84b-8a4019f9a1e9","adopt economic policy measures that affect exchange rate and inflation","Asks whom indexation harms (an argument against the practice).",{"idx":3049,"utterance_id":3050,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3051,"start_s":3052,"end_s":3053,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":34,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":3054,"indexable":180},440,"224335","For younger people.",2001.16,2001.9,"Says indexation harms younger people, who earn the minimum wage.",{"idx":3056,"utterance_id":3057,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3058,"start_s":3059,"end_s":3060,"word_count":408,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":3061,"target_proposition":3062,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":3063,"indexable":180},441,"224336","Because the younger worker, who is typically the one to receive the minimum wage, when that young person enters the labor market, his productivity gain — which is reflected in the minimum wage adjustment — is applied to people who are not working today.",2002.22,2013.36,"48971b3a-15c3-4d37-9c2c-f7d26be595bc","link wage adjustments to productivity gains in employment","Argues that productivity gains should be reflected in wages, not automatic indexation.",{"idx":3065,"utterance_id":3066,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3067,"start_s":3068,"end_s":3069,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":34,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":3070,"indexable":719},442,"224337","And when that happens, the overall effect on the economy — higher interest rates and higher prices because of that negative relationship — causes that person to lose purchasing power.",2013.6,2022.14,"Links indexation to rising interest rates and prices that reduce purchasing power.",{"idx":3072,"utterance_id":3073,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3074,"start_s":3075,"end_s":3076,"word_count":247,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":3077,"target_proposition":3078,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1438,"rationale":3079,"indexable":719},443,"224338","And so the young person's purchasing power becomes eroded.",2022.4,2024.4,"f5d9e7dd-0e74-436b-a7af-a7f5884f79d0","link adjustments of pensions and benefits to the minimum wage","States that young people's purchasing power is eroded by indexation.",{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":3086,"target_proposition":3087,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":3088,"indexable":719},444,"224339","So we're throwing the young person's future in the trash.",2024.62,2026.58,"de709951-5c26-47f9-ac65-47b63a07e0bf","avoid policies that harm the economic future of poor youth","Declares that they are 'jogando o futuro do mais jovem no lixo'.",{"idx":3090,"utterance_id":3091,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3092,"start_s":3093,"end_s":3094,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":3095,"topic_label":3096,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":3099,"rationale":3100,"indexable":180},445,"224340","So the poorer young person, and this is shown by all surveys — young people do not earn what older people earn, not only in Brazil — becomes poorer.",2026.9,2035.7,"desigualdade-socioeconomica","Socioeconomic Inequality","a7c00f8d-2fa3-405a-8920-d7bb4085c2fe","reduce youth poverty through structural economic policies",0.65,"Claims surveys show young people are poorer than older generations.",{"idx":3102,"utterance_id":3103,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3104,"start_s":3105,"end_s":3106,"word_count":287,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":3107,"target_proposition":3108,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":3109,"indexable":719},446,"224341","So keeping things as they are is making the poorest even poorer.",2036.3,2041,"14def917-2c1d-460e-a6ab-56254dfec949","prioritize public policies aimed at reducing poverty and improving public services","Asserts that maintaining indexation makes the poor poorer and opposes it.",{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2887,"target_proposition":2888,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3116,"indexable":180},447,"224342","That's something I will not allow.",2041.02,2041.94,"Promises not to allow keeping the current model indexed to the minimum wage.",{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":175,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},448,"224343","But what is your policy on the minimum wage, sir?",2041.98,2043.48,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":2990,"topic_label":2991,"target_id":3129,"target_proposition":3130,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":3131,"indexable":180},449,"224344","The minimum wage model will not remain unchanged.",2044.74,2046.94,"7de59ba8-eee5-4016-9633-8a2388a3c4c6","reformulate the model for calculating and adjusting the minimum wage","Says that the minimum wage model 'não fica inalterado'.",{"idx":3133,"utterance_id":3134,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3135,"start_s":3136,"end_s":3137,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":2885,"topic_label":2886,"target_id":2959,"target_proposition":2960,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":3138,"indexable":719},450,"224345","The whole issue is automatic triggers for adjusting benefits tied to the minimum wage.",2046.98,2052.08,"Identifies automatic triggers as the core issue against indexation.",{"idx":3140,"utterance_id":3141,"speaker_name":175,"text":3142,"start_s":3143,"end_s":3144,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},451,"224346","Do you know how much the minimum wage is today?",2052.3,2053.9,{"idx":3146,"utterance_id":3147,"speaker_name":175,"text":3148,"start_s":3149,"end_s":3150,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},452,"224347","R$ 1,500, R$ 1,600.",2055.72,2056.08,{"idx":3152,"utterance_id":3153,"speaker_name":175,"text":3154,"start_s":3155,"end_s":3156,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},453,"224348","R$ 1,621.",2059.52,2059.88,{"idx":3158,"utterance_id":3159,"speaker_name":175,"text":3160,"start_s":3161,"end_s":3162,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},454,"224349","Even if it is not successful, your presidential candidacy has brought a lot of visibility.",2060.98,2066.8,{"idx":3164,"utterance_id":3165,"speaker_name":175,"text":3166,"start_s":3167,"end_s":3168,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},455,"224350","to a newly created party, the Missão party.",2067.34,2069.9,{"idx":3170,"utterance_id":3171,"speaker_name":175,"text":3172,"start_s":3173,"end_s":3174,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},456,"224351","This is working regardless of the result you obtain at the ballot box.",2071.08,2077.82,{"idx":3176,"utterance_id":3177,"speaker_name":175,"text":3178,"start_s":3179,"end_s":3180,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},457,"224352","I'd like to ask you what, in your judgment, is the future of Brazilian democracy, and what is the role of the Missão party in that democracy.",2078.4,2087.98,{"idx":3182,"utterance_id":3183,"speaker_name":175,"text":3184,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},458,"224353","There was recently a very surprising result in Germany: a party... from the conservative spectrum, considered far-right, the AFD, Alternative for Germany, won a state election there, in Saxony.",2088.08,2105.8,{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":175,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},459,"224354","That was just days ago.",2106.22,2107.86,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":175,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},460,"224355","It obtained 43% there, almost 44% of the votes.",2108.52,2112.76,{"idx":3200,"utterance_id":3201,"speaker_name":175,"text":3202,"start_s":3203,"end_s":3204,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},461,"224356","And it will govern a state in Germany.",2112.82,2114.72,{"idx":3206,"utterance_id":3207,"speaker_name":175,"text":3208,"start_s":3209,"end_s":3210,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},462,"224357","I wanted to ask you whether you think there is room for that kind of discourse... Don't you think so?",2115.2,2121,{"idx":3212,"utterance_id":3213,"speaker_name":175,"text":3214,"start_s":3215,"end_s":3216,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},463,"224358","Do people who observe see a certain radicalism in your discourse?",2121.06,2125.14,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":175,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},464,"224359","Is there room for that discourse to grow within Brazilian democracy to the point that, before long, Missão could govern a state, govern municipalities?",2125.6,2135.62,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":175,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},465,"224360","What is your party's project?",2135.66,2137.64,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":3235,"topic_label":3236,"target_id":3237,"target_proposition":3238,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":2924,"rationale":3239,"indexable":719},466,"224361","Well, I'll reiterate here, not only disagreeing with you, José, and Fabíola: our discourse is not radical in any sense; our discourse is simply sensible.",2138.06,2145.72,"democracia-e-cultura-politica","Democracy and Political Culture","de539970-df1d-4632-84a9-bd0e3f4d5bd6","adopt a non-radical and sensible political discourse in the party","Explicitly states that the party's rhetoric 'não é radical'.",{"idx":3241,"utterance_id":3242,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3243,"start_s":3244,"end_s":3245,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":45,"topic_label":41,"target_id":3246,"target_proposition":3247,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":3248,"indexable":719},467,"224362","And we propose the best practices that work around the world to be implemented in Brazil as well.",2146.14,2149.4,"e7d95229-b21f-411b-b5a9-652d29a84f23","implement internationally adopted public management best practices","Proposes 'boas práticas que funcionam no mundo todo' for Brazil.",{"idx":3250,"utterance_id":3251,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3252,"start_s":3253,"end_s":3254,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},468,"224363","Brazil is a country of conformism, and when you propose something that changes things, everyone reacts, 'wow!'",2149.74,2154,{"idx":3256,"utterance_id":3257,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3258,"start_s":3259,"end_s":3260,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":3261,"topic_label":3262,"target_id":3263,"target_proposition":3264,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3265,"indexable":719},469,"224364","So we will govern states, we will govern municipalities, and the Missão party is the party that will reform and make Brazilian democracy truly democratic.",2154.7,2162.9,"democracia","Democracy","95ecdce8-b7ed-4a14-be82-9510343c8562","strengthen democracy in Brazil","States that the party will reform and make democracy truly democratic.",{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":42,"topic_slug":3272,"topic_label":3273,"target_id":3274,"target_proposition":3275,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1047,"rationale":3276,"indexable":719},470,"224365","We dedicated a very important part of our book of proposals to the Managerial Responsibility Law, which attacks one of the central issues in Brazil, which is the farce",2163.62,2171.4,"reforma-politica","Political Reform","db374a96-6913-4f4f-8494-642470296e3a","approve the managerial responsibility law","Declares that the party dedicates proposals to the Management Responsibility Law.",{"idx":3278,"utterance_id":3279,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3280,"start_s":3281,"end_s":3282,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":3272,"topic_label":3273,"target_id":3283,"target_proposition":3284,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3285,"indexable":719},471,"224366","of suffrage driven by voters' political decisions in the remote corners, in the small Brazilian municipalities.",2171.84,2178.24,"2406b5d8-24ce-43a5-8a0f-5a229821a470","confront the influence of party machines","Identifies vote-buying and inducements to vote as the target of the proposal.",{"idx":3287,"utterance_id":3288,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3289,"start_s":3290,"end_s":3291,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},472,"224367","And why do I call it a farce?",2178.5,2179.42,{"idx":3293,"utterance_id":3294,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3295,"start_s":3296,"end_s":3297,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},473,"224368","Because the Brazilian political model is based on vote buying.",2179.72,2182.2,{"idx":3299,"utterance_id":3300,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3301,"start_s":3302,"end_s":3303,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},474,"224369","Municipalities that live off diverted amendments, run by unscrupulous mayors and federal deputies, populations living dependent on the State.",2182.86,2189.44,{"idx":3305,"utterance_id":3306,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3307,"start_s":3308,"end_s":3309,"word_count":353,"indexable":180},475,"224370","Creating a system that addresses this problem and makes those places effectively viable economically is also to make those places viable democratically.",2189.84,2198.38,{"idx":3311,"utterance_id":3312,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3313,"start_s":3314,"end_s":3315,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":3316,"topic_label":3317,"target_id":3318,"target_proposition":3319,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3320,"indexable":719},476,"224371","Defeating the Centrão, which to me is the great anomaly of Brazilian politics, is my political party's duty.",2198.82,2203.7,"partidos-etica-partidaria","Parties \u002F Party Ethics","57498fcb-7563-4775-84d9-0d24b804f123","defeat the Centrão in political and electoral disputes","States that defeating the Centrão is the party's duty.",{"idx":3322,"utterance_id":3323,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3324,"start_s":3325,"end_s":3326,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},477,"224372","And no political group in Brazil today addresses this issue like the Missão party.",2203.84,2207.46,{"idx":3328,"utterance_id":3329,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3330,"start_s":3331,"end_s":3332,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},478,"224373","So our commitment to make Brazilian democracy functional is a historic commitment.",2207.72,2211.98,{"idx":3334,"utterance_id":3335,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3336,"start_s":3337,"end_s":3338,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},479,"224374","The victory of the Missão party will necessarily be the victory of democracy in Brazil.",2212.32,2216.1,{"idx":3340,"utterance_id":3341,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3342,"start_s":3343,"end_s":3344,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},480,"224375","Because today, as things are being conducted, you have a nominal democracy; you have nominal suffrage.",2216.56,2221.64,{"idx":3346,"utterance_id":3347,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3348,"start_s":3349,"end_s":3350,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},481,"224376","It's like saying that the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is taking care of the Constitution.",2221.66,2225.08,{"idx":3352,"utterance_id":3353,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3354,"start_s":3355,"end_s":3356,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},482,"224377","That doesn't happen; they are only nominal elements for a highly corrupt oligarchic regime.",2225.82,2230.88,{"idx":3358,"utterance_id":3359,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3360,"start_s":3361,"end_s":3362,"word_count":420,"indexable":180},483,"224378","So our great commitment, not only in the actions of our deputies but in my actions as president of the republic, will be to transform this dynamic of a country that is oligarchic, that lives under a corrupt oligarchic regime, into a truly democratic and republican regime.",2231.26,2244.88,{"idx":3364,"utterance_id":3365,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3366,"start_s":3367,"end_s":3368,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},484,"224379","And remember, this discussion disappeared in Brazil.",2245.08,2246.82,{"idx":3370,"utterance_id":3371,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3372,"start_s":3373,"end_s":3374,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},485,"224380","When the PT itself was founded, to give an example, you had Raimundo Faoro, you even had Sérgio Buarque de Holanda.",2247.22,2254.52,{"idx":3376,"utterance_id":3377,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3378,"start_s":3379,"end_s":3380,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},486,"224381","They dealt with these themes, in their terms, in their time.",2254.96,2257.58,{"idx":3382,"utterance_id":3383,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3384,"start_s":3385,"end_s":3386,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},487,"224382","A patrimonialist model that concentrated real power in Brazil.",2258.68,2263.1,{"idx":3388,"utterance_id":3389,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3390,"start_s":3391,"end_s":3392,"word_count":353,"indexable":180},488,"224383","Since then, neither petismo nor the PSDB, with the sociologist Fernando Henrique Cardoso, have been able to resolve, even while addressing these themes, their debates, each in their own way.",2263.44,2273.34,{"idx":3394,"utterance_id":3395,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3396,"start_s":3397,"end_s":3398,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},489,"224384","Bolsonarism itself, well, I'll... I'll hand that over to Bolsonaro himself.",2273.62,2277.58,{"idx":3400,"utterance_id":3401,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3402,"start_s":3403,"end_s":3404,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},490,"224385","Through Olavo de Carvalho they discussed that.",2277.66,2279.48,{"idx":3406,"utterance_id":3407,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3408,"start_s":3409,"end_s":3410,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},491,"224386","They also discussed it.",2279.72,2280.46,{"idx":3412,"utterance_id":3413,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3414,"start_s":3415,"end_s":3416,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},492,"224387","This is a central theme in Brazil.",2280.48,2281.92,{"idx":3418,"utterance_id":3419,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3420,"start_s":3421,"end_s":3422,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},493,"224388","And this is a topic, from a political point of view, that we discuss a lot.",2282.2,2284.96,{"idx":3424,"utterance_id":3425,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3426,"start_s":3427,"end_s":3428,"word_count":285,"indexable":180},494,"224389","How to have a real democracy and a modern State in a country that is a mixture of the 21st century and the 19th century.",2285.54,2291.24,{"idx":760,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},"224390","I think this is the issue that Missão proposes to solve.",2291.76,2294.44,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},496,"224391","And if solved, it will make Brazil a glorious country.",2294.5,2297.56,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},497,"224392","So much so that our slogan is a very optimistic slogan.",2297.78,2299.56,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},498,"224393","The future is glorious.",2300.04,2301.08,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":175,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":450,"indexable":180},499,"224394","In this area, I have already seen several videos on the internet about this, which is a proposal that is in the Yellow Book, which is Missão's book, that talks about 'family democracy', the concept that not all people should have the right to vote.",2303.06,2320.78,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":175,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},500,"224395","As far as I understand it, you have already said that, although it was in the book, it was not one of your priorities.",2321.24,2326.42,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":175,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},501,"224396","I'd like you to explain to us exactly what that is.",2326.44,2328.98,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":175,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},502,"224397","It is not in our book of proposals.",2329.3,2330.8,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":175,"text":3479,"start_s":3480,"end_s":3481,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},503,"224398","It is in the Yellow Book.",2331.22,2332.32,{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},504,"224399","I'll explain to you how it works.",2332.76,2334.34,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},505,"224400","The name of the party's foundation is Fundação Livro Amarelo.",2334.78,2337.42,{"idx":3495,"utterance_id":3496,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3497,"start_s":3498,"end_s":3499,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},506,"224401","The Yellow Book is a collaborative project of internal discussions.",2338.54,2342.32,{"idx":3501,"utterance_id":3502,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3503,"start_s":3504,"end_s":3505,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},507,"224402","We have hundreds of researchers and this is the way we allow someone who wants to produce a program to participate.",2342.36,2349.1,{"idx":3507,"utterance_id":3508,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3509,"start_s":3510,"end_s":3511,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},508,"224403","So there are study groups, hundreds of groups, with people producing content.",2349.28,2352.62,{"idx":3513,"utterance_id":3514,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3515,"start_s":3516,"end_s":3517,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},509,"224404","So the six original booklets of the Yellow Book contain various debates that are sometimes contradictory with one another.",2353.02,2357.66,{"idx":3519,"utterance_id":3520,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3521,"start_s":3522,"end_s":3523,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},510,"224405","So, the first six booklets — I participated, for example, in drafting the first one.",2358.12,2360.96,{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},511,"224406","They present discussions.",2361.38,2362.42,{"idx":3531,"utterance_id":3532,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3533,"start_s":3534,"end_s":3535,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},512,"224407","Look, are we going to have an economic model with greater or lesser State involvement?",2362.48,2366.5,{"idx":3537,"utterance_id":3538,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3539,"start_s":3540,"end_s":3541,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},513,"224408","What to do in the Mato Piba region?",2366.8,2368.18,{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},514,"224409","In the sixth, which is 'Free Brazil', we are discussing political models of the future.",2368.44,2375,{"idx":3549,"utterance_id":3550,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3551,"start_s":3552,"end_s":3553,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},515,"224410","Artificial intelligence, democratic models.",2375.26,2377.98,{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},516,"224411","And people brought that discussion there about 'family democracy'.",2378.12,2380.76,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},517,"224412","They brought others.",2381.3,2382.16,{"idx":3567,"utterance_id":3568,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3569,"start_s":3570,"end_s":3571,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},518,"224413","That does not mean it is binding, because the binding program is, indeed, the publication of the Yellow Book, which is our program.",2382.52,2388.6,{"idx":3573,"utterance_id":3574,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3575,"start_s":3576,"end_s":3577,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":712,"topic_label":713,"target_id":3578,"target_proposition":3579,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":3580,"indexable":719},519,"224414","It doesn't even make political sense for us to defend that, because the model discussed there, which one of the researchers discussed, is a model that in practice is gerontocratic.",2389.18,2397.92,"b5312036-09ba-4809-b623-c7fdefc7bf56","introduce family voting instead of individual voting","Repudiates the model as gerontocratic and states they will not defend it.",{"idx":3582,"utterance_id":3583,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3584,"start_s":3585,"end_s":3586,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},520,"224415","It concentrates power among older people and our electorate is younger.",2398.1,2400.52,{"idx":3588,"utterance_id":3589,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3590,"start_s":3591,"end_s":3592,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},521,"224416","And we propose a future project for the younger voter.",2400.8,2402.56,{"idx":3594,"utterance_id":3595,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3596,"start_s":3597,"end_s":3598,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},522,"224417","It doesn't even make sense for us.",2402.8,2404.26,{"idx":3600,"utterance_id":3601,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3602,"start_s":3603,"end_s":3604,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},523,"224418","This is not something we support.",2404.48,2405.4,{"idx":3606,"utterance_id":3607,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3608,"start_s":3609,"end_s":3610,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},524,"224419","Now, if the researchers are publishing, producing, of course I will include their discussions there.",2405.44,2410.26,{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},525,"224420","Of course the discussion has to be present.",2411.16,2412.82,{"idx":3618,"utterance_id":3619,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3620,"start_s":3621,"end_s":3622,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},526,"224421","If you don't have internal discussion about the program, your party is dead inside.",2413.42,2417,{"idx":3624,"utterance_id":3625,"speaker_name":175,"text":3626,"start_s":3627,"end_s":3628,"word_count":353,"indexable":180},527,"224422","Candidate, speaking of the program, I've been following: have you been bothered by questions aimed at the lack of public policies specifically directed at women in your government plan?",2417.02,2427.78,{"idx":3630,"utterance_id":3631,"speaker_name":175,"text":3632,"start_s":3633,"end_s":3634,"word_count":239,"indexable":180},528,"224423","I even saw recently you talking with members of your campaign, saying that your policies, your projects... are for everyone, men, women, everyone, for the human being.",2427.8,2437.8,{"idx":3636,"utterance_id":3637,"speaker_name":175,"text":3638,"start_s":3639,"end_s":3640,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},529,"224424","But then I reflected on this, candidate; I would really like to know what you think, for example, about the feminist movement.",2439.08,2445.24,{"idx":3642,"utterance_id":3643,"speaker_name":175,"text":3644,"start_s":3645,"end_s":3646,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},530,"224425","The women's agendas nowadays, of the groups themselves.",2446.72,2450.82,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":175,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},531,"224426","I would like you to speak to female voters now, and to feminists as well, who often perhaps won't vote for you.",2451.04,2457,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":175,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},532,"224427","And the laws and public policies, laws that were created in light of the evidence.",2457.44,2463.72,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":175,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},533,"224428","For example, the femicide law.",2464.26,2465.98,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":175,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},534,"224429","Are you against it or in favor?",2466.2,2467.16,{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":175,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},535,"224430","Do you think it is not functional?",2467.22,2468.7,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":175,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},536,"224431","The Maria da Penha law, for example, which was also created in a way to protect women.",2469.16,2473.82,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":175,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},537,"224432","What do you think of these public policies that have already been created?",2473.98,2477.1,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":175,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},538,"224433","Are you going to take that down?",2477.12,2478.02,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":175,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},539,"224434","What do you think of the feminist movement, sir?",2478.76,2480.18,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},540,"224435","Let's go, I have to untangle what's been mixed up here.",2480.9,2483.52,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},541,"224436","One thing is the will, the needs and concerns of women.",2483.68,2487.14,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},542,"224437","Another thing is the feminist movement, which is a strictly political movement that instrumentalizes women as a political tool.",2487.18,2493.34,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":3725,"topic_label":3726,"target_id":3727,"target_proposition":3728,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3729,"indexable":719},543,"224438","I do not agree with the Brazilian feminist movement.",2493.8,2495.58,"direitos-das-mulheres","Women's Rights","c7a667be-cd79-4b39-99b7-8f83b64598b3","promote policies of the feminist movement","Explicitly states they do not agree with the Brazilian feminist movement.",{"idx":3731,"utterance_id":3732,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3733,"start_s":3734,"end_s":3735,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},544,"224439","Just look: the Brazilian feminist movement is always tied to a certain political niche, acting politically alongside that niche.",2495.64,2502.32,{"idx":3737,"utterance_id":3738,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3739,"start_s":3740,"end_s":3741,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},545,"224440","The feminist movement is a way for leftist women to express themselves politically.",2503.04,2506.32,{"idx":3743,"utterance_id":3744,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3745,"start_s":3746,"end_s":3747,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},546,"224441","When you travel around Brazil — the concrete, real Brazil, which I had the opportunity to travel — a feminist agenda is not what is being discussed with women in the favelas.",2507.06,2514.36,{"idx":3749,"utterance_id":3750,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3751,"start_s":3752,"end_s":3753,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},547,"224442","A feminist agenda is not being discussed.",2514.8,2515.98,{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},548,"224443","It's not. It's a concrete, real-world agenda.",2516,2517.96,{"idx":3761,"utterance_id":3762,"speaker_name":175,"text":3763,"start_s":3764,"end_s":3765,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},549,"224444","I'm not just talking about Brazil.",2517.98,2519.08,{"idx":3767,"utterance_id":3768,"speaker_name":175,"text":3769,"start_s":3770,"end_s":3771,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},550,"224445","The feminist movement, throughout its history — the struggle of women to work, the struggle of women to vote.",2519.1,2525.4,{"idx":3773,"utterance_id":3774,"speaker_name":175,"text":3775,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},551,"224446","Do you think this movement has no importance?",2526.3,2528.7,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},552,"224447","You have to separate the waves of feminist movements.",2529.38,2531.6,{"idx":3785,"utterance_id":3786,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3787,"start_s":3788,"end_s":3789,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},553,"224448","There's the suffragist movement, that's one thing.",2531.7,2533.86,{"idx":3791,"utterance_id":3792,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3793,"start_s":3794,"end_s":3795,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},554,"224449","Or that one, I don't know, Shulamita Firestone.",2534.04,2538.28,{"idx":3797,"utterance_id":3798,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3799,"start_s":3800,"end_s":3801,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},555,"224450","Have you seen the things that that woman writes?",2538.46,2539.68,{"idx":3803,"utterance_id":3804,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3805,"start_s":3806,"end_s":3807,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},556,"224451","She's a woman who hates men.",2540.58,2541.7,{"idx":3809,"utterance_id":3810,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3811,"start_s":3812,"end_s":3813,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},557,"224452","I don't believe in any movement that hates the opposite sex.",2541.84,2544.48,{"idx":3815,"utterance_id":3816,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3817,"start_s":3818,"end_s":3819,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":3725,"topic_label":3726,"target_id":3727,"target_proposition":3728,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3820,"indexable":719},558,"224453","There are absolutely anti-democratic, violent and radical elements in the feminist movement that I repudiate.",2545.26,2549.84,"Calls elements of the movement 'antidemocráticos, violentos e radicais'.",{"idx":3822,"utterance_id":3823,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3824,"start_s":3825,"end_s":3826,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},559,"224454","And that should not even be part of the public debate.",2550.28,2552.08,{"idx":3828,"utterance_id":3829,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3830,"start_s":3831,"end_s":3832,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},560,"224455","Because they are pure hatred.",2552.1,2553.28,{"idx":3834,"utterance_id":3835,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3836,"start_s":3837,"end_s":3838,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},561,"224456","But those ones aren't discussed, people don't want to talk about them, because it seems the poetic license to use discursive or actual violence is permitted for left-wing groups.",2553.9,2562.82,{"idx":3840,"utterance_id":3841,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3842,"start_s":3843,"end_s":3844,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},562,"224457","And so, these figures can hold that position.",2563.44,2565.4,{"idx":3846,"utterance_id":3847,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3848,"start_s":3849,"end_s":3850,"word_count":299,"indexable":180},563,"224458","I don't agree with their position nor do I think it adds anything for Brazil or for women.",2565.42,2569.44,{"idx":3852,"utterance_id":3853,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3854,"start_s":3855,"end_s":3856,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},564,"224459","When we talk about projects, we have to look at each project individually.",2570,2572.96,{"idx":3858,"utterance_id":3859,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3860,"start_s":3861,"end_s":3862,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3863,"target_proposition":3864,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1047,"rationale":3865,"indexable":719},565,"224460","I am a supporter of increased sentences for every type of violent crime.",2573.04,2576.26,"682217be-0504-4c09-9fb5-9d6627fbe955","increase penalties for violent crimes and crimes against property","Declares being a proponent of increasing sentences for all types of violent crimes.",{"idx":3867,"utterance_id":3868,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3869,"start_s":3870,"end_s":3871,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3863,"target_proposition":3864,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":3872,"indexable":719},566,"224461","The new classification related to femicide increases the sentence.",2576.7,2579.26,"Notes that the new typification of femicide increases the sentence and supports it.",{"idx":3874,"utterance_id":3875,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3876,"start_s":3877,"end_s":3878,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},567,"224462","Okay.",2579.42,2579.78,{"idx":3880,"utterance_id":3881,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1132,"start_s":3882,"end_s":3883,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},568,"224463",2580.44,2580.86,{"idx":3885,"utterance_id":3886,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3887,"start_s":3888,"end_s":3889,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3863,"target_proposition":3864,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":3890,"indexable":180},569,"224464","The sentence really needs to be increased.",2581.5,2582.28,"States 'tem que aumentar a pena mesmo' for violent crimes.",{"idx":3892,"utterance_id":3893,"speaker_name":175,"text":3894,"start_s":3895,"end_s":3896,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},570,"224465","Besides Maria da Penha?",2582.3,2583.06,{"idx":3898,"utterance_id":3899,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3900,"start_s":3901,"end_s":3902,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},571,"224466","Also.",2583.14,2583.42,{"idx":3904,"utterance_id":3905,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3906,"start_s":3907,"end_s":3908,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},572,"224467","Also because Brazil is experiencing an outbreak of violence overall.",2584.34,2587.6,{"idx":3910,"utterance_id":3911,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3912,"start_s":3913,"end_s":3914,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},573,"224468","Does violence also affect women?",2587.94,2589.14,{"idx":3916,"utterance_id":3917,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3918,"start_s":3919,"end_s":3920,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},574,"224469","Yes.",2589.2,2589.32,{"idx":3922,"utterance_id":3923,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3924,"start_s":3925,"end_s":3926,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},575,"224470","Women organized, the issue became hot, and the penalty was increased.",2589.58,2592,{"idx":3928,"utterance_id":3929,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3930,"start_s":3931,"end_s":3932,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3863,"target_proposition":3864,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":3933,"indexable":719},576,"224471","Okay, I also want to increase it for other crimes.",2592.26,2594.32,"Says that increasing sentences for other crimes is also desirable.",{"idx":3935,"utterance_id":3936,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3937,"start_s":3938,"end_s":3939,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},577,"224472","It's not one thing at the expense of the other.",2595.22,2596.66,{"idx":3941,"utterance_id":3942,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3943,"start_s":3944,"end_s":3945,"word_count":42,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":3946,"target_proposition":3947,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":3948,"indexable":719},578,"224473","Because I think that violent crimes in Brazil — Brazil is the country par excellence of violent crime in the world — they must be combated with great force.",2596.68,2602.5,"e72a7277-35ed-440a-9092-7e2dc534e281","implement strict public security measures to combat crime","Advocates combating violent crimes 'com muita violência'.",{"idx":3950,"utterance_id":3951,"speaker_name":175,"text":3952,"start_s":3953,"end_s":3954,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},579,"224474","Would you declare yourself anti-feminist or not, sir?",2602.52,2605.42,{"idx":3956,"utterance_id":3957,"speaker_name":175,"text":3958,"start_s":3959,"end_s":3960,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},580,"224475","Would you declare yourself a feminist, sir?",2605.58,2608.2,{"idx":3962,"utterance_id":3963,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3964,"start_s":3965,"end_s":3966,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},581,"224476","I declare myself pro-Brazilian, especially pro-upstanding Brazilians, and that includes all Brazilian women.",2608.48,2613.44,{"idx":3968,"utterance_id":3969,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3970,"start_s":3971,"end_s":3972,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},582,"224477","I will not affiliate myself with a movement... I don't see any merits in the name 'feminist.'",2613.74,2618.2,{"idx":3974,"utterance_id":3975,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3976,"start_s":3977,"end_s":3978,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},583,"224478","I think the feminist movement attracts women and makes instrumental use of them.",2618.22,2621.62,{"idx":3980,"utterance_id":3981,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":3982,"start_s":3983,"end_s":3984,"word_count":353,"indexable":180},584,"224479","Just look at the feminists in the Chamber of Deputies, who are placing much more emphasis on issues like, for example, the PL of misogyny, than on increasing sentences for rape involving women.",2621.96,2629.62,{"idx":3986,"utterance_id":3987,"speaker_name":175,"text":3988,"start_s":3989,"end_s":3990,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},585,"224480","Candidate, homicide is decreasing in the country.",2630.42,2633.82,{"idx":3992,"utterance_id":3993,"speaker_name":175,"text":3994,"start_s":3995,"end_s":3996,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},586,"224481","Femicide, compared to 2022 here in São Paulo, increased 70%.",2635.66,2638.56,{"idx":3998,"utterance_id":3999,"speaker_name":175,"text":4000,"start_s":4001,"end_s":4002,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},587,"224482","What are your proposals to specifically reduce femicide, sir?",2639.06,2642.04,{"idx":4004,"utterance_id":4005,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4006,"start_s":4007,"end_s":4008,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},588,"224483","Look, again, that's wanting to single out one type of crime and extrapolate.",2642.14,2648.28,{"idx":4010,"utterance_id":4011,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4012,"start_s":4013,"end_s":4014,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},589,"224484","Why is that an extrapolation?",2648.42,2649.14,{"idx":4016,"utterance_id":4017,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4018,"start_s":4019,"end_s":4020,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},590,"224485","Black men are the ones who die the most in Brazil.",2650.84,2652.84,{"idx":4022,"utterance_id":4023,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4024,"start_s":4025,"end_s":4026,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},591,"224486","I'm kind of taken aback because six years ago it was 'life.'",2654,2656.74,{"idx":4028,"utterance_id":4029,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4030,"start_s":4031,"end_s":4032,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},592,"224487","Black women matter.",2656.76,2657.56,{"idx":4034,"utterance_id":4035,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4036,"start_s":4037,"end_s":4038,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},593,"224488","And they're really dying.",2658.14,2659.16,{"idx":4040,"utterance_id":4041,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4042,"start_s":4043,"end_s":4044,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},594,"224489","If you look, femicide victims: 67% are brown or black women.",2659.18,2664.02,{"idx":4046,"utterance_id":4047,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4048,"start_s":4049,"end_s":4050,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},595,"224490","The remainder who die as victims of violence, the majority, are black men.",2664.78,2668.76,{"idx":4052,"utterance_id":4053,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4054,"start_s":4055,"end_s":4056,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},596,"224491","You don't talk about black men in the media anymore.",2669.66,2671.4,{"idx":4058,"utterance_id":4059,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4060,"start_s":4061,"end_s":4062,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},597,"224492","But no — they talk about femicide.",2671.78,2672.72,{"idx":4064,"utterance_id":4065,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4066,"start_s":4067,"end_s":4068,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},598,"224493","Daily, about 100 people die.",2672.74,2675,{"idx":4070,"utterance_id":4071,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4072,"start_s":4073,"end_s":4074,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},599,"224494","It may be up or down.",2675.38,2677.82,{"idx":4076,"utterance_id":4077,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4078,"start_s":4079,"end_s":4080,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},600,"224495","Femicide is 4%, that is, 4 of those 100 people who die are victims of femicide.",2678.04,2682.4,{"idx":4082,"utterance_id":4083,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4084,"start_s":4085,"end_s":4086,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},601,"224496","And it must have the full attention of the State.",2682.58,2684.68,{"idx":4088,"utterance_id":4089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4090,"start_s":4091,"end_s":4092,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},602,"224497","Another 12 people who die that same day out of the 100 are children or adolescents.",2685.06,2690.38,{"idx":4094,"utterance_id":4095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4096,"start_s":4097,"end_s":4098,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},603,"224498","Nobody asks me about those people.",2691.24,2692.62,{"idx":4100,"utterance_id":4101,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4102,"start_s":4103,"end_s":4104,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},604,"224499","And were black people forgotten?",2692.76,2693.98,{"idx":4106,"utterance_id":4107,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4108,"start_s":4109,"end_s":4110,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},605,"224500","Because I always ask this: I have to solve it, I have to reduce all types of violence as president of the republic.",2694.54,2699.92,{"idx":4112,"utterance_id":4113,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4114,"start_s":4115,"end_s":4116,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},606,"224501","Violence against black people, women, children.",2700.26,2701.92,{"idx":4118,"utterance_id":4119,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4120,"start_s":4121,"end_s":4122,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},607,"224502","I'm not going to just, like, 'what are you going to do about femicide?'",2702.26,2704.4,{"idx":4124,"utterance_id":4125,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4126,"start_s":4127,"end_s":4128,"word_count":285,"indexable":180},608,"224503","Municipalities and states have policies to confront femicide and specific legislation has already been passed that, when applied, works well.",2704.5,2711.36,{"idx":4130,"utterance_id":4131,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4132,"start_s":4133,"end_s":4134,"word_count":456,"topic_slug":45,"topic_label":41,"target_id":4135,"target_proposition":4136,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4137,"indexable":719},609,"224504","My managerial responsibility law — I even answered this on Globo News — will take policies, for example, that work and make them an evaluation criterion for, including, the sending of amendments and for services, to... to assign the score that mayors will receive.",2711.68,2725.4,"68790bd0-7f2e-49bc-a62d-41b47af24ffc","condition sending of amendments and funds on public policy evaluation criteria","Says their law will use policies that work as a criterion for submitting amendments.",{"idx":4139,"utterance_id":4140,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4141,"start_s":4142,"end_s":4143,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},610,"224505","That's what we're going to do.",2725.82,2726.66,{"idx":4145,"utterance_id":4146,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4147,"start_s":4148,"end_s":4149,"word_count":293,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4150,"target_proposition":4151,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":4152,"indexable":719},611,"224506","Now, when I address this subject, what I will not do is choose only one focus.",2727.08,2731.4,"b0b1a070-1439-4481-9b03-5173bf7b7ca0","implement universal public policies that increase security","Rejects an exclusive focus on femicide, proposing a universal approach.",{"idx":4154,"utterance_id":4155,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4156,"start_s":4157,"end_s":4158,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},612,"224507","Look, this election is only about talking about violence against women.",2731.52,2733.8,{"idx":4160,"utterance_id":4161,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4162,"start_s":4163,"end_s":4164,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},613,"224508","It exists and must be fought, but it's not all the violence that exists.",2734.3,2738.7,{"idx":4166,"utterance_id":4167,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4168,"start_s":4169,"end_s":4170,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},614,"224509","Otherwise what am I going to talk about?",2738.92,2739.7,{"idx":4172,"utterance_id":4173,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4174,"start_s":4175,"end_s":4176,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},615,"224510","A black person will see me and say, 'but we're dying.'",2739.88,2742.38,{"idx":4178,"utterance_id":4179,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4180,"start_s":4181,"end_s":4182,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},616,"224511","No, no, in this election you are not the topic.",2742.58,2744.84,{"idx":4184,"utterance_id":4185,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4186,"start_s":4187,"end_s":4188,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},617,"224512","Forget about you, go back into your box.",2745.12,2746.82,{"idx":4190,"utterance_id":4191,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4192,"start_s":4193,"end_s":4194,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},618,"224513","You were not the chosen minority in this election.",2747.68,2749.82,{"idx":4196,"utterance_id":4197,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4198,"start_s":4199,"end_s":4200,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},619,"224514","So I will talk about femicide, but I will talk about every kind of death of Brazilians, every type of violence.",2750.2,2754.5,{"idx":4202,"utterance_id":4203,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4204,"start_s":4205,"end_s":4206,"word_count":287,"topic_slug":2939,"topic_label":2940,"target_id":4207,"target_proposition":4208,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1927,"rationale":4209,"indexable":719},620,"224515","Another thing that isn't talked about is the 250,000 cases of violence against women reported per year.",2754.84,2760.32,"0715a6e0-617c-4e63-a73a-d0109b5178c5","implement universal policies that increase reporting of violence against women","Says that universal policies, when implemented, increase reporting.",{"idx":4211,"utterance_id":4212,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4213,"start_s":4214,"end_s":4215,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},621,"224516","Reporting is very low.",2760.86,2762.9,{"idx":4217,"utterance_id":4218,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4219,"start_s":4220,"end_s":4221,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},622,"224517","If they reported everything, it would be much more.",2763.78,2765.24,{"idx":4223,"utterance_id":4224,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4225,"start_s":4226,"end_s":4227,"word_count":42,"indexable":180},623,"224518","The estimate is that it's a much larger number, because women in the countryside are afraid to report and the girls in the favelas don't report for fear of retaliation.",2765.28,2772.32,{"idx":4229,"utterance_id":4230,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4231,"start_s":4232,"end_s":4233,"word_count":280,"indexable":180},624,"224519","All our policies, which are universal policies for Brazilians, when implemented, will increase reporting.",2772.9,2778.22,{"idx":4235,"utterance_id":4236,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4237,"start_s":4238,"end_s":4239,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},625,"224520","And by increasing reporting, you increase the fight against it.",2778.9,2780.56,{"idx":4241,"utterance_id":4242,"speaker_name":175,"text":4243,"start_s":4244,"end_s":4245,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},626,"224521","You speak about the deaths of black people in the peripheries, many of these deaths caused by police officers, police violence.",2780.78,2786.42,{"idx":4247,"utterance_id":4248,"speaker_name":175,"text":4249,"start_s":4250,"end_s":4251,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},627,"224522","And that's curious, because it's something you even defend.",2787.12,2790.7,{"idx":4253,"utterance_id":4254,"speaker_name":175,"text":4255,"start_s":4256,"end_s":4257,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":4258,"topic_label":72,"target_id":4259,"target_proposition":4260,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4261,"indexable":719},628,"224523","For example, police officers killing, and sometimes the person who dies is black.",2791.34,2795.66,"abuso-de-autoridade","66f64cee-3b24-4497-997b-8757dc3709eb","reduce deaths caused by police","Reports occurrences of deaths by police officers, without proposing action.",{"idx":4263,"utterance_id":4264,"speaker_name":175,"text":4265,"start_s":4266,"end_s":4267,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},629,"224524","Often.",2795.82,2796.38,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4269,"speaker_name":175,"text":4270,"start_s":4271,"end_s":4272,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},"224525","Is there any conflict there?",2796.64,2798.1,{"idx":4274,"utterance_id":4275,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4276,"start_s":4277,"end_s":4278,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4279,"target_proposition":4280,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":4281,"indexable":719},631,"224526","None, because most victims of violence in Brazil, fatal victims of violence, are victims of shootouts between criminals.",2798.46,2806.48,"0552c460-1c26-4e27-8870-466e281c3a6b","reduce homicides and violence","States that most deaths are gunfights between criminals.",{"idx":4283,"utterance_id":4284,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4285,"start_s":4286,"end_s":4287,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":4258,"topic_label":72,"target_id":4259,"target_proposition":4260,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":4288,"indexable":719},632,"224527","If I'm not mistaken, the number of deaths linked to police activity is, in total, 18%.",2807.22,2813.12,"Provides a statistic (18%) about deaths linked to police activity.",{"idx":4290,"utterance_id":4291,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4292,"start_s":4293,"end_s":4294,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":4258,"topic_label":72,"target_id":4259,"target_proposition":4260,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4295,"indexable":719},633,"224528","The vast majority are deaths justified by conflict.",2813.86,2816.96,"States that most deaths are justified by conflict.",{"idx":4297,"utterance_id":4298,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4299,"start_s":4300,"end_s":4301,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":4258,"topic_label":72,"target_id":4302,"target_proposition":4303,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4304,"indexable":719},634,"224529","And in one case or another, you may have a specific case sometimes linked to an excess committed by a police officer.",2817.46,2822.64,"99fdc4b4-d619-4bc0-b3f8-ff922c6cbf05","reduce abuses committed by police","Acknowledges isolated cases of excessive police force, without proposing policy.",{"idx":4306,"utterance_id":4307,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4308,"start_s":4309,"end_s":4310,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":4311,"topic_label":88,"target_id":4312,"target_proposition":4313,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":4314,"indexable":719},635,"224530","That said, the majority of black victims are killed by other people who are not police.",2823.2,2827.98,"combate-a-discriminacao","e43e33ca-b819-483a-a1d2-d50ad159abf3","reduce homicides against the black population","States that most Black people are victims of non-police perpetrators.",{"idx":4316,"utterance_id":4317,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4318,"start_s":4319,"end_s":4320,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4311,"topic_label":88,"target_id":4312,"target_proposition":4313,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4321,"indexable":180},636,"224531","But that's by far the vast majority; the difference is incomparable.",2828.18,2830.86,"Emphasizes inequality among victims, without proposing a specific action.",{"idx":4323,"utterance_id":4324,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4325,"start_s":4326,"end_s":4327,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4328,"target_proposition":4329,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4330,"indexable":719},637,"224532","So, if you want to talk in statistical terms, we have to reduce violence as a whole, impunity as a whole.",2831.36,2836.86,"32408c11-642e-4619-9f8a-519d006882eb","reduce violence","Explicitly says 'temos que diminuir a violência como um todo'.",{"idx":4332,"utterance_id":4333,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4334,"start_s":4335,"end_s":4336,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},638,"224533","And this is a big issue.",2837.92,2839.18,{"idx":4338,"utterance_id":4339,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4340,"start_s":4341,"end_s":4342,"word_count":247,"indexable":180},639,"224534","The central question for me is choosing the victim of the moment.",2839.46,2843,{"idx":4344,"utterance_id":4345,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4346,"start_s":4347,"end_s":4348,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4349,"target_proposition":4350,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":3010,"rationale":4351,"indexable":180},640,"224535","Everyone wants to talk about femicide; it's obvious that's a problem.",2843.74,2845.64,"ca5aa57b-0f07-4eef-81dc-fedd283b699b","prioritize a security agenda for the most vulnerable victims","Comments on the selection of a 'vítima do momento' in public debate.",{"idx":4353,"utterance_id":4354,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4355,"start_s":4356,"end_s":4357,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":4358,"topic_label":4359,"target_id":4360,"target_proposition":4361,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4362,"indexable":180},641,"224536","But it was singled out.",2845.98,2847.04,"violencia-contra-a-mulher-e-protecao-as-mulheres","Violence Against Women and Protection","e64493f0-fccf-4995-b4b1-83cf32100776","reduce cases of femicide","Recognizes femicide as a problem without offering a concrete proposal.",{"idx":4364,"utterance_id":4365,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4366,"start_s":4367,"end_s":4368,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},642,"224537","They only ask about that topic.",2847.1,2848.08,{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},643,"224538","And then I ask, did they forget Black people?",2848.52,2849.88,{"idx":4376,"utterance_id":4377,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4378,"start_s":4379,"end_s":4380,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},644,"224539","Did they forget?",2850.66,2850.96,{"idx":4382,"utterance_id":4383,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4384,"start_s":4385,"end_s":4386,"word_count":287,"topic_slug":4358,"topic_label":4359,"target_id":4360,"target_proposition":4361,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4387,"indexable":719},645,"224540","Because these are the... The women victims of femicide, in general, are not middle-class white women.",2850.98,2856.44,"Describes the profile of femicide victims (periphery), in a descriptive tone.",{"idx":4389,"utterance_id":4390,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4391,"start_s":4392,"end_s":4393,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4328,"target_proposition":4329,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4394,"indexable":719},646,"224541","They are the women from those same outskirts... I'm talking about solving the problem of violence, destroying organized crime, bringing police stations, implementing a slum-removal policy, and bringing citizenship.",2856.72,2866.84,"States 'estou falando em resolver o problema da violência'.",{"idx":4396,"utterance_id":4397,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4398,"start_s":4399,"end_s":4400,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4401,"target_proposition":4402,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4403,"indexable":180},647,"224542","Basically, when we cross-reference the data, the correlations show certain patterns.",2867.4,2872.26,"d1d2025b-59ab-4c83-8297-105535d9cb3b","adopt public policies based on evidence","Says data cross-referencing shows patterns, a descriptive observation.",{"idx":4405,"utterance_id":4406,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4407,"start_s":4408,"end_s":4409,"word_count":381,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4410,"target_proposition":4411,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4412,"indexable":719},648,"224543","And a terrible pattern is where there is little state presence, where there is impunity, where laws are lenient, all kinds of crime flourish, including crimes against women, which are often the greatest acts of cowardice.",2872.82,2883.54,"642d9b44-2b7a-40cf-bb42-ac23fd0653ed","expand the reach of public policies to vulnerable populations","Links the state's limited presence to the proliferation of crime.",{"idx":4414,"utterance_id":4415,"speaker_name":175,"text":4416,"start_s":4417,"end_s":4418,"word_count":214,"topic_slug":712,"topic_label":713,"target_id":4419,"target_proposition":4420,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4421,"indexable":180},649,"224544","There is one aspect that might make women a central issue in an election in Brazil.",2885,2891.64,"0ea8c7e1-0ab3-4ec4-bf09-166eb6d36dbc","consider the female electorate in electoral strategies","Says women can turn the issue into the election's central theme.",{"idx":4423,"utterance_id":4424,"speaker_name":175,"text":4425,"start_s":4426,"end_s":4427,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":712,"topic_label":713,"target_id":4428,"target_proposition":4429,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4430,"indexable":180},650,"224545","It's the fact that they are the majority.",2891.8,2893.12,"533a3d67-11f0-456c-bc56-50e5c011a888","recognize the predominance of the female electorate","Presents a statistic on female participation in the electorate.",{"idx":987,"utterance_id":4432,"speaker_name":175,"text":4433,"start_s":4434,"end_s":4435,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":712,"topic_label":713,"target_id":4436,"target_proposition":4437,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":4438,"indexable":719},"224546","Today the female electorate in Brazil accounts for 52.8% of the votes, almost 53%.",2893.86,2899.52,"cdcf0920-09c3-4c9d-ab5a-f76630f6ee46","consider the female electorate in campaign strategies","States the female electorate percentage (52.8%), an informative fact.",{"idx":4440,"utterance_id":4441,"speaker_name":175,"text":4442,"start_s":4443,"end_s":4444,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":4445,"topic_label":4446,"target_id":4447,"target_proposition":4448,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4449,"indexable":180},652,"224547","Hence the prominence of the issue, because there is underrepresentation of women in Brazil's political life, in administration, and in business.",2902.24,2912.3,"igualdade-de-genero","Gender equality","525a8986-b0b1-4a38-a135-4fde515feb3f","Increase female participation in major candidacies and in Parliament","Points to female underrepresentation in political and business life.",{"idx":4451,"utterance_id":4452,"speaker_name":175,"text":4453,"start_s":4454,"end_s":4455,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":4445,"topic_label":4446,"target_id":4456,"target_proposition":4457,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4458,"indexable":180},653,"224548","Women earn less.",2913.16,2914.5,"3806e9e7-04b2-4a13-9a46-fcd250265ab7","guarantee equal pay for women and men when performing the same role","States that women earn less, without proposing a specific measure.",{"idx":4460,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":175,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},654,"224549","Right now.",2915.22,2915.76,{"idx":4466,"utterance_id":4467,"speaker_name":175,"text":4468,"start_s":4469,"end_s":4470,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},655,"224550","There was a discussion recently.",2915.82,2917.44,{"idx":4472,"utterance_id":4473,"speaker_name":175,"text":4474,"start_s":4475,"end_s":4476,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":4477,"target_proposition":4478,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":3010,"rationale":4479,"indexable":180},656,"224551","Presidents successively nominate friends, cronies to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",2918.4,2925.44,"5a590588-e3a2-4384-8285-bf0f30d4c5d0","revise the nomination process for STF ministers","Claims presidents appoint friends to the STF, in a critical tone.",{"idx":4481,"utterance_id":4482,"speaker_name":175,"text":4483,"start_s":4484,"end_s":4485,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":4486,"topic_label":4487,"target_id":4488,"target_proposition":4489,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4490,"indexable":180},657,"224552","And there was a debate, a debate that mobilized some people and entities in defense of appointing a woman to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",2926.22,2935.64,"judiciario-genero","Judiciary \u002F Gender","72f745d5-b4b1-45e2-ae74-79eff0afe4bd","appoint more women to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)","Reports a debate defending the nomination of a woman to the STF.",{"idx":4492,"utterance_id":4493,"speaker_name":175,"text":4494,"start_s":4495,"end_s":4496,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":4486,"topic_label":4487,"target_id":4488,"target_proposition":4489,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4497,"indexable":719},658,"224553","There is only one woman today; there used to be two, one retired; today there's only one.",2935.84,2939.6,"States the current number of female ministers, a factual statement.",{"idx":4499,"utterance_id":4500,"speaker_name":175,"text":4501,"start_s":4502,"end_s":4503,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":4486,"topic_label":4487,"target_id":4488,"target_proposition":4489,"stance":1455,"stance_confidence":1456,"rationale":4504,"indexable":180},659,"224554","Do you consider that type of discussion superficial?",2940.68,2944.26,"Asks whether this discussion is superficial, without a clear position.",{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":175,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},660,"224555","Are those discussions that shouldn't be held?",2946.62,2950.24,{"idx":4512,"utterance_id":4513,"speaker_name":175,"text":4514,"start_s":4515,"end_s":4516,"word_count":299,"topic_slug":4445,"topic_label":4446,"target_id":4456,"target_proposition":4457,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4517,"indexable":180},661,"224556","The salary issue, the question of female representation in Parliament, in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), in the Judiciary, in the government itself, in the Ministry.",2950.74,2962.26,"Lists salary and representation issues in a descriptive tone.",{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":175,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},662,"224557","Do you think that kind of debate is unnecessary?",2962.42,2965.56,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":4530,"topic_label":4531,"target_id":4532,"target_proposition":4533,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":4534,"indexable":719},663,"224558","I think any debate that is taken into the realm of virtue-signalling is dispensable.",2966.16,2968.66,"debate-politico","Political debate","8e71ea69-cf72-40cb-97b4-01af7500a18a","avoid performative debates in politics","Explicitly says that 'lacração' debates are dispensable.",{"idx":4536,"utterance_id":4537,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4538,"start_s":4539,"end_s":4540,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},664,"224559","Any debate that is treated seriously is serious.",2968.82,2971.18,{"idx":4542,"utterance_id":4543,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4544,"start_s":4545,"end_s":4546,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},665,"224560","It's very simple.",2971.76,2972.36,{"idx":4548,"utterance_id":4549,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4550,"start_s":4551,"end_s":4552,"word_count":287,"indexable":180},666,"224561","If there were statements by certain candidates that the crisis at the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) would be resolved by appointing female justices to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)...",2972.74,2977.74,{"idx":4554,"utterance_id":4555,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4556,"start_s":4557,"end_s":4558,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":4559,"target_proposition":4560,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4561,"indexable":180},667,"224562","That's not what will solve it.",2978.08,2978.96,"711380b8-c6c4-44c0-890b-469f9fc5f6b7","appoint women to the STF who meet legalist criteria","Says 'Não é isso que vai resolver' about that proposal.",{"idx":4563,"utterance_id":4564,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4556,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":4559,"target_proposition":4560,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":717,"rationale":4567,"indexable":180},668,"224563",2980.28,2980.96,"Reiterates that this measure would not resolve the crisis in the STF.",{"idx":4569,"utterance_id":4570,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4571,"start_s":4572,"end_s":4573,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":4559,"target_proposition":4560,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4574,"indexable":719},669,"224564","If there are qualified women to occupy the position, they are ready to take up the position.",2981.28,2984.36,"States that qualified women are ready to fill vacancies.",{"idx":4576,"utterance_id":4577,"speaker_name":175,"text":4578,"start_s":4579,"end_s":4580,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},670,"224565","And there are great jurists... Do you think that women are underrepresented today in the legislature, in the judiciary...",2984.42,2989.68,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4582,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4583,"start_s":4584,"end_s":4585,"word_count":42,"topic_slug":4586,"topic_label":4587,"target_id":4588,"target_proposition":4589,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4590,"indexable":719},"224566","Ah, but don't you consider—it's paradoxical—that even though they are the majority of the electorate, they democratically decide not to vote for other women?",2989.7,2996.42,"politica-de-genero-e-educacao","Gender & Education","b91998bb-04ab-47e2-9dfd-addf48b0835c","study the electoral behavior of female voters","Notes that women voters often do not vote for other women.",{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},672,"224567","And I know why that happens, to a large extent.",2996.44,2998.84,{"idx":4598,"utterance_id":4599,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4600,"start_s":4601,"end_s":4602,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},673,"224568","It's because politics is a highly competitive, highly aggressive environment for women.",2999.44,3003.58,{"idx":4604,"utterance_id":4605,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4606,"start_s":4607,"end_s":4608,"word_count":293,"indexable":180},674,"224569","I saw what happened to Amanda Vettorazo, who is one of our leaders; she is my campaign coordinator.",3003.6,3007.48,{"idx":4610,"utterance_id":4611,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4612,"start_s":4613,"end_s":4614,"word_count":48,"indexable":180},675,"224570","For taking a political position, the things they do to her and to other female leaders, and I see this in our group, are terrible.",3007.88,3014.14,{"idx":4616,"utterance_id":4617,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4618,"start_s":4619,"end_s":4620,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},676,"224571","From fake nude image montages to the invasion of these people's homes.",3014.16,3017.94,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},677,"224572","It's very intense.",3018.78,3019.68,{"idx":4628,"utterance_id":4629,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4630,"start_s":4631,"end_s":4632,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},678,"224573","This is one of the things I learned about the world of politics: being a candidate.",3020.34,3023.86,{"idx":4634,"utterance_id":4635,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4636,"start_s":4637,"end_s":4638,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},679,"224574","It's more difficult for a woman.",3023.88,3024.72,{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":426,"topic_slug":4645,"topic_label":4646,"target_id":4647,"target_proposition":4648,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4649,"indexable":719},680,"224575","And look, I was, let's say, not very involved... I wasn't part of the discussions about political gender violence until it started happening to us, and we have to set up an internal protection policy, because what happens is serious.",3024.98,3037.34,"violencia-politica-e-impunidade","Political Violence & Impunity","91b2da17-5585-4b5b-ae73-d884406bc6c6","protect against gender-based political violence","Clearly says 'a gente tem que... estabelecer uma política de proteção'.",{"idx":4651,"utterance_id":4652,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4653,"start_s":4654,"end_s":4655,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},681,"224576","So there are concrete elements: political competition is brutal, and women step back because of the extremely base and violent nature of politics.",3037.9,3047.94,{"idx":4657,"utterance_id":4658,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4659,"start_s":4660,"end_s":4661,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},682,"224577","Not just the rhetoric, but the dirty tricks that take place.",3048.24,3050.38,{"idx":4663,"utterance_id":4664,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4665,"start_s":4666,"end_s":4667,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":4645,"topic_label":4646,"target_id":4668,"target_proposition":4669,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":1235,"rationale":4670,"indexable":719},683,"224578","Now, it's a problem we can discuss, we can address, and there's no problem with that.",3051.42,3055.88,"e55073cc-de95-40a9-adc7-56d0a35fcdb9","denounce and confront gender-based political violence","Says the problem can and should be discussed and addressed.",{"idx":4672,"utterance_id":4673,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4674,"start_s":4675,"end_s":4676,"word_count":263,"indexable":180},684,"224579","The whole point is... Because... Oh, women are the majority of voters, so I'm going to take all the issues and just throw them over there.",3056.18,3061.9,{"idx":4678,"utterance_id":4679,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4680,"start_s":4681,"end_s":4682,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},685,"224580","For what?",3062.06,3062.34,{"idx":4684,"utterance_id":4685,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4686,"start_s":4687,"end_s":4688,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},686,"224581","To be populist?",3062.38,3063.14,{"idx":4690,"utterance_id":4691,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4692,"start_s":4693,"end_s":4694,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4695,"target_proposition":4696,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4697,"indexable":719},687,"224582","I will address the issues of all Brazilians, including minorities.",3063.16,3065.8,"5c9164c9-b599-4462-b20d-467957e02a4d","formulate inclusive public policies for minorities","Promises to address issues affecting everyone, including minorities.",{"idx":4699,"utterance_id":4700,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4701,"start_s":4702,"end_s":4703,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":4704,"topic_label":4705,"target_id":4706,"target_proposition":4707,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4708,"indexable":719},688,"224583","Because minorities must also have a voice.",3066.12,3067.56,"direitos-das-minorias","Minority Rights","b30a954c-d72f-44b9-8935-0c3afb0ffc68","guarantee representation and voice for minorities","States that minorities must also have a voice, in an affirmative tone.",{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":175,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},689,"224584","Candidate, let's move to the final stretch of the interview.",3068.18,3070.96,{"idx":4716,"utterance_id":4717,"speaker_name":175,"text":4718,"start_s":4719,"end_s":4720,"word_count":285,"indexable":180},690,"224585","Rapid-fire, which are quicker questions so we can say yes or no, oppose or favor, or make a choice.",3071.08,3076.06,{"idx":4722,"utterance_id":4723,"speaker_name":175,"text":4724,"start_s":4725,"end_s":4726,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},691,"224586","MBL or mission?",3076.62,3077.5,{"idx":4728,"utterance_id":4729,"speaker_name":175,"text":4730,"start_s":4731,"end_s":4732,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},692,"224587","Both.",3078.66,3079.06,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":175,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},"224588","Body cameras on police uniforms, against or in favor?",3079.98,3082.16,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":175,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},694,"224589","Then: in favor.",3083.38,3084.02,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":175,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},695,"224590","Later?",3084.84,3085.32,{"idx":4751,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":175,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},696,"224591","As part of my war against crime.",3085.46,3086.4,{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":175,"text":4759,"start_s":4760,"end_s":4761,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},697,"224592","After the war against crime?",3087.52,3088.8,{"idx":1060,"utterance_id":4763,"speaker_name":175,"text":4764,"start_s":4765,"end_s":4766,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},"224593","Of course.",3088.82,3088.94,{"idx":4768,"utterance_id":4769,"speaker_name":175,"text":4770,"start_s":4771,"end_s":4772,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},699,"224594","The war will not be filmed.",3089.58,3090.9,{"idx":4774,"utterance_id":4775,"speaker_name":175,"text":4776,"start_s":4777,"end_s":4778,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},700,"224595","Printed vote, against or in favor?",3092.28,3093.96,{"idx":4780,"utterance_id":4781,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4782,"start_s":4783,"end_s":4784,"word_count":48,"topic_slug":712,"topic_label":713,"target_id":4785,"target_proposition":4786,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4787,"indexable":719},701,"224596","In principle I'm in favor, but at the time it was discussed, it had a different bent; it wasn't intended to improve democracy.",3097.46,3103.16,"871c395e-0826-406c-9b67-00159b790ece","introduce printed voting","Explicitly says 'em termos valorativos eu sou a favor'.",{"idx":4789,"utterance_id":4790,"speaker_name":175,"text":4791,"start_s":4792,"end_s":4793,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},702,"224597","Betis?",3103.2,3103.74,{"idx":4795,"utterance_id":4796,"speaker_name":175,"text":4797,"start_s":4798,"end_s":4799,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},703,"224598","Against.",3104.26,3104.62,{"idx":4801,"utterance_id":4802,"speaker_name":175,"text":4803,"start_s":4804,"end_s":4805,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},704,"224599","End of the 6-for-1 scale?",3104.96,3106.28,{"idx":4807,"utterance_id":4808,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4809,"start_s":4810,"end_s":4811,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":4812,"topic_label":4813,"target_id":4814,"target_proposition":4815,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1428,"rationale":4816,"indexable":180},705,"224600","As it was carried out, completely against it.",3107.44,3109.78,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","International Relations \u002F Labor","f67697cf-1bf4-4265-bfd0-08d59fefc47e","end six-for-one work schedule without salary reduction","responds 'Da maneira como foi feita, completamente contra'.",{"idx":4818,"utterance_id":4819,"speaker_name":175,"text":4820,"start_s":4821,"end_s":4822,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},706,"224601","Against or in favor?",3110.1,3110.78,{"idx":4824,"utterance_id":4825,"speaker_name":175,"text":4826,"start_s":4827,"end_s":4828,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},707,"224602","The end of the 'blusinhas' tax?",3110.82,3112.18,{"idx":4830,"utterance_id":4831,"speaker_name":175,"text":4832,"start_s":4833,"end_s":4834,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":4835,"topic_label":4836,"target_id":4837,"target_proposition":4838,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4839,"indexable":719},708,"224603","I'm in favor of ending the 'blusinhas' tax.",3112.82,3114.88,"politica-tarifaria","Tariff Policy","df041b3c-ae84-4c2b-972e-cab9bf7e08e3","repeal the 't-shirt tax' that burdens low-value purchases","direct statement: 'Sou a favor do fim da taxa das blusinhas'.",{"idx":4841,"utterance_id":4842,"speaker_name":175,"text":4843,"start_s":4844,"end_s":4845,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},709,"224604","Should Discord be banned in Brazil?",3115.28,3117.28,{"idx":4847,"utterance_id":4848,"speaker_name":175,"text":4849,"start_s":4850,"end_s":4851,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},710,"224605","No.",3118.56,3118.76,{"idx":4853,"utterance_id":4854,"speaker_name":175,"text":4855,"start_s":4856,"end_s":4857,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},711,"224606","Are you in favor of legalizing abortion?",3119.12,3120.8,{"idx":4859,"utterance_id":4860,"speaker_name":175,"text":4849,"start_s":4861,"end_s":4862,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},712,"224607",3121.72,3121.88,{"idx":4864,"utterance_id":4865,"speaker_name":175,"text":4866,"start_s":4867,"end_s":4868,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},713,"224608","Total amnesty for those convicted in relation to January 8?",3122.56,3124.94,{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":175,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},714,"224609","Case-by-case sentencing.",3124.98,3125.56,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":175,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},715,"224610","Lowering the age of criminal responsibility, against or in favor?",3126.64,3131.72,{"idx":4882,"utterance_id":4883,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4884,"start_s":4885,"end_s":4886,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4887,"target_proposition":4888,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4889,"indexable":719},716,"224611","In favor — and moreover, there should be no age threshold for criminal responsibility for heinous crimes.",3132.2,3135.4,"61006c80-2206-4316-afb4-72fead93dea4","reduce the age of criminal responsibility for certain crimes","says 'Favor e mais, não haver maioridade penal para crimes hediondos'.",{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":175,"text":4866,"start_s":4893,"end_s":4894,"word_count":234,"indexable":180},717,"224612",3136.1,3138.96,{"idx":4896,"utterance_id":4897,"speaker_name":175,"text":4898,"start_s":4899,"end_s":4900,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},718,"224613","You already said it's case-by-case sentencing.",3138.98,3141.14,{"idx":4902,"utterance_id":4903,"speaker_name":175,"text":4904,"start_s":4905,"end_s":4906,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},719,"224614","End of privileged jurisdiction?",3141.22,3142.36,{"idx":4908,"utterance_id":4909,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4910,"start_s":4911,"end_s":4912,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":39,"topic_label":36,"target_id":4913,"target_proposition":4914,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":4915,"indexable":180},720,"224615","Complete overhaul of privileged jurisdiction.",3143.16,3144.88,"13a360f7-9dad-426c-9caf-54fa613bbe1d","change privileged forum","states 'Alteração completa no foro privilegiado' explicitly.",{"idx":4917,"utterance_id":4918,"speaker_name":175,"text":4919,"start_s":4920,"end_s":4921,"word_count":253,"indexable":180},721,"224616","Are you in favor of decriminalizing possession of marijuana for personal use?",3145.72,3149.72,{"idx":4923,"utterance_id":4924,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4925,"start_s":4926,"end_s":4927,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":4928,"topic_label":4929,"target_id":4930,"target_proposition":4931,"stance":1455,"stance_confidence":2328,"rationale":4932,"indexable":180},722,"224617","After my war on crime, we can discuss that.",3150.44,3152.3,"politicas-de-drogas","Drug Policy","b293ad7e-2bcb-4f0e-86c2-67e77e5eb9a4","decriminalize drugs","postpones the discussion until after the 'guerra contra o crime', without a clear position.",{"idx":4934,"utterance_id":4935,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4936,"start_s":4937,"end_s":4938,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},723,"224618","The State is the State.",3152.46,3153.18,{"idx":4940,"utterance_id":4941,"speaker_name":175,"text":4942,"start_s":4943,"end_s":4944,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},724,"224619","And what about in the electoral campaign?",3153.92,3154.92,{"idx":4946,"utterance_id":4947,"speaker_name":175,"text":4948,"start_s":4949,"end_s":4950,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},725,"224620","Is it allowed or not?",3154.98,3155.76,{"idx":4952,"utterance_id":4953,"speaker_name":175,"text":4954,"start_s":4955,"end_s":4956,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},726,"224621","Sorry, I didn't hear.",3155.88,3156.3,{"idx":4958,"utterance_id":4959,"speaker_name":175,"text":4960,"start_s":4961,"end_s":4962,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},727,"224622","And what about artificial intelligence in the electoral campaign?",3156.78,3159.02,{"idx":4964,"utterance_id":4965,"speaker_name":175,"text":4948,"start_s":4966,"end_s":4967,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},728,"224623",3159.1,3159.96,{"idx":4969,"utterance_id":4970,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4971,"start_s":4972,"end_s":4973,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},729,"224624","It depends.",3161.32,3161.74,{"idx":4975,"utterance_id":4976,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4977,"start_s":4978,"end_s":4979,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":4980,"topic_label":4981,"target_id":4982,"target_proposition":4983,"stance":1427,"stance_confidence":1249,"rationale":4984,"indexable":180},730,"224625","Using it to do research, which everyone is already using now.",3162.16,3165.06,"tecnologia-e-democracia","Technology and Democracy","c2e743c0-afaf-4a66-a857-d1d51db2990b","use artificial intelligence for electoral research","states that AI is already used for research, a factual observation.",{"idx":4986,"utterance_id":4987,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4988,"start_s":4989,"end_s":4990,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},731,"224626","Its use in the campaign.",3165.08,3165.86,{"idx":4992,"utterance_id":4993,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":4994,"start_s":4995,"end_s":4996,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},732,"224627","To make videos?",3165.9,3166.66,{"idx":4998,"utterance_id":4999,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5000,"start_s":5001,"end_s":5002,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":4980,"topic_label":4981,"target_id":5003,"target_proposition":5004,"stance":1046,"stance_confidence":1403,"rationale":5005,"indexable":719},733,"224628","I don't like it, but there are rules for that.",3168.72,3171.18,"5b34d5e7-6856-4a17-858c-b4b52f385f3f","use artificial intelligence to produce campaign content","says 'não gosto, mas está com as regras aí', signaling opposition.",{"idx":5007,"utterance_id":5008,"speaker_name":175,"text":5009,"start_s":5010,"end_s":5011,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},734,"224629","Are you for or against civic-military schools?",3171.32,3174.46,{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":175,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},735,"224630","In favor.",3174.68,3175.18,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":175,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},736,"224631","Are you in favor of re-election?",3175.68,3176.7,{"idx":5025,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":175,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},737,"224632","Mostly not.",3177.72,3178.56,{"idx":5031,"utterance_id":5032,"speaker_name":175,"text":5033,"start_s":5034,"end_s":5035,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},738,"224633","For or against privatizations?",3179.16,3181.26,{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":5042,"topic_label":5043,"target_id":5044,"target_proposition":5045,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":5046,"indexable":719},739,"224634","I'm mostly in favor, but not of all of them.",3181.92,3183.82,"privatizacao-e-concessoes","Privatization & Concessions","0ef069a9-6c61-4827-be39-c9d89552510c","privatize companies and public services","states 'Sou principalmente a favor, mas não de todas' explicitly.",{"idx":5048,"utterance_id":5049,"speaker_name":175,"text":5050,"start_s":5051,"end_s":5052,"word_count":222,"indexable":180},740,"224635","The carrying and possession of firearms in Brazil?",3184.22,3186.1,{"idx":5054,"utterance_id":5055,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":67,"text":5056,"start_s":5057,"end_s":5058,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":5059,"topic_label":5060,"target_id":5061,"target_proposition":5062,"stance":716,"stance_confidence":910,"rationale":5063,"indexable":180},741,"224636","With the right regulations, yes.",3186.86,3188.32,"politica-de-armas","Weapons Policy","308ddb6d-1180-447c-8a08-c8f6c6fd6e0e","Allow carrying and possession of firearms for the population","responds 'Com regulamentação certa, sim', expressing clear conditional support.",{"idx":5065,"utterance_id":5066,"speaker_name":175,"text":5067,"start_s":5068,"end_s":5069,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},742,"224637","Central Bank 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