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over to you now.",0.86,2.5,4,false,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1,"163355","Good evening to everyone.",16.36,20.5,6,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":69,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},2,"163356","Pleasure to be here with all of you.",21.42,23.38,{"idx":89,"utterance_id":90,"speaker_name":69,"text":91,"start_s":92,"end_s":93,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},3,"163357","I wanted in this opening remark... to begin by thanking everyone for the contributions that were presented to our Government Program group.",24.58,36.46,27,{"idx":73,"utterance_id":96,"speaker_name":69,"text":97,"start_s":98,"end_s":99,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},"163358","Contributions that came from SEMAD, from PT, that came from Rede, from PV, from PCdoB, from PSB, all the parties that are part of this alliance around our dear... future governor Fernando 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protection.",487.52,515.96,56,{"idx":353,"utterance_id":354,"speaker_name":69,"text":355,"start_s":356,"end_s":357,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},48,"163402","and also ensuring that we can guarantee quality of life.",516.5,522.24,{"idx":359,"utterance_id":360,"speaker_name":69,"text":361,"start_s":362,"end_s":363,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},49,"163403","Because when we are talking about the environment, we are talking about the population's quality of life.",522.3,527.14,{"idx":365,"utterance_id":366,"speaker_name":69,"text":367,"start_s":368,"end_s":369,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},50,"163404","Thank you.",527.44,528.28,{"idx":371,"utterance_id":372,"speaker_name":69,"text":373,"start_s":374,"end_s":375,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},51,"163405","Folks, to continue here, I just wanted to arrange the following.",528.3,543.64,{"idx":377,"utterance_id":378,"speaker_name":69,"text":379,"start_s":380,"end_s":381,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},52,"163406","As for the speeches here from the panel, let's try, of course, we will not set a strict time for everyone, but whoever can give a greeting,",543.96,554.68,{"idx":319,"utterance_id":383,"speaker_name":69,"text":384,"start_s":385,"end_s":386,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},"163407","a briefer intervention, so that we can give an opportunity afterward to several people who are registered here.",555.06,561.5,{"idx":388,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":69,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},54,"163408","So, I would like to invite Francisca, could it be you, Adriana?",561.52,565.22,{"idx":394,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":69,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},55,"163409","Let's start with the woman.",565.28,567.24,{"idx":351,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":69,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},"163410","So, Francisca Logiza, for five 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It is necessary to resume and rebuild what was dismantled by the management of Areia Rodrigo do Oeste.",1148.18,1159.62,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":69,"text":861,"start_s":862,"end_s":863,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},133,"163487","I think this is the first extremely important point and where there is great expectation from society.",1159.68,1164.84,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":865,"speaker_name":69,"text":866,"start_s":867,"end_s":868,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},"163488","And, well, it seems difficult, but it isn't. If we look at Europe, all that is being done, contrary to what that period of neoliberalism was, of large enclosures and privatizations, we know it is possible.",1165,1178.04,{"idx":870,"utterance_id":871,"speaker_name":69,"text":872,"start_s":873,"end_s":874,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},135,"163489","It wasn't misalignment, but 150 municipalities.",1178.22,1181.02,{"idx":162,"utterance_id":876,"speaker_name":69,"text":877,"start_s":878,"end_s":879,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},"163490","In Europe, they have already taken management back, to transform it into public power management, in the State proper.",1181.38,1190.04,{"idx":881,"utterance_id":882,"speaker_name":69,"text":883,"start_s":884,"end_s":885,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},137,"163491","So, revoke decrees, ordinances, and act with the benches in order to do the reconstruction and change the legislation of everything that was dismantled.",1190.94,1200.5,{"idx":887,"utterance_id":888,"speaker_name":69,"text":889,"start_s":890,"end_s":891,"word_count":346,"indexable":74},138,"163492","I would also like to say, and I think this is very important for this process, that this way of presenting bills aggressive to society, under urgency, that the current government has used, is brutal, without popular discussion and participation, without respect for democracy.",1200.52,1217.36,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":893,"speaker_name":69,"text":894,"start_s":895,"end_s":896,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},"163493","And then we have these excrescences, and I think the emblematic excrescence is what happened this week, which was the provocation of that so-called land-grabbing law, which hands over to large landowners several areas.",1217.94,1233.08,{"idx":898,"utterance_id":899,"speaker_name":69,"text":900,"start_s":901,"end_s":902,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},140,"163494","vacant public lands, and they were linked to a 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news about regarding the participatory process, which is the possibility of having a government council in the socio-environmental area, a consultative council.",1315.78,1336.28,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":69,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},152,"163506","of the governor, so that both the technicians of the public administration involved with the construction process and civil society itself can come.",1336.82,1344.48,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":69,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},153,"163507","And it also arose in our debates the need, Nabil put it very well, that any government comes in today already with an extreme situation, it's rain.",1344.86,1356.54,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":69,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},154,"163508","Of landslides, already in January, already in the first month of administration, to have the climate crisis cabinet, because these situations have always existed, but they have been exacerbated by the climate crisis.",1357.32,1369.04,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":69,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},155,"163509","And there are very interesting mechanisms.",1369.38,1371.96,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":69,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},156,"163510","I wanted to finish, just recalling that Nabil already put this very well.",1371.98,1378.8,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":69,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},157,"163511","We have to have, in the area of these histories, two extremely important issues.",1379.34,1385.82,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":69,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},158,"163512","First, to attend to the national policy in its article 9, which places 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agribusiness.",1417.88,1426.92,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":69,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":435,"indexable":74},163,"163517","I came with the flag here, because it's a business based on monoculture, we can't forget, it destroys the soil, it destroys our remaining biomes, entire forests, pollutes and remains voracious, receives subsidies, therefore does not generate public resources, as is often said in your company, does not generate money, decreases, but increases more and more the concentration of income.",1427.04,1452.36,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":69,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},164,"163518","And finally I want to read very quickly a message sent by Mônica Lopes.",1452.86,1460.52,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":69,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},165,"163519","She sent a message for Filão Vigo, but she is here, okay?",1460.54,1462.78,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":69,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},166,"163520","You will know, Mônica Lopes is that researcher from Butancan, with whom it was allowed to speak.",1462.92,1468.02,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":69,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},167,"163521","I believe we have a great opportunity, a possibility of change.",1468.6,1472.1,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":69,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},168,"163522","I live what we can call moral harassment and persecution, promoted by my workplace.",1472.18,1476.62,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":69,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},169,"163523","This is because I started to study 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presence.",1548.54,1549.72,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":69,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},"163532","For five minutes to Deputy Rodrigo Gustino.",1551.76,1556.08,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":69,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},179,"163533","Hello, good afternoon.",1559,1561.52,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":69,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},180,"163534","It's a pleasure to be here.",1561.54,1562.92,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":69,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},181,"163535","I would like to be able to speak at length about everyone who is on the panel, because there are many dear people here on the panel.",1563.98,1569.78,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":69,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},182,"163536","But let's try to be as brief as possible.",1570.52,1572.46,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":69,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},183,"163537","I think the central point in all the debates we've had recently is the need to discuss governance here in São Paulo, environmental governance.",1572.8,1582.06,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":69,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},184,"163538","I don't even think we should return to the model we had, because it was a model that no longer worked.",1582.98,1587.66,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":69,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},185,"163539","But the way it was done, simply merging the mining and energy sector together with the environment sector, didn't work well.",1588.28,1596.94,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":69,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},186,"163540","We have to rethink the governance model and a model that is capable of implementing public policy.",1597,1603.64,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":69,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},187,"163541","The instruments of participation were all being set aside over a long period of time.",1604.52,1609.24,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":69,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},188,"163542","Concema hasn't been functioning for a long time, but it's not just Concema.",1609.64,1612.74,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":69,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},189,"163543","The water resources councils, the basin committees, the management councils of the conservation units.",1613.78,1619.1,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1196,"speaker_name":69,"text":1197,"start_s":1198,"end_s":1199,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},"163544","We can't think of building public policy in any area without participation.",1619.66,1624.06,{"idx":1201,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":69,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},191,"163545","I think rethinking this governance is a central point.",1624.56,1627.34,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":69,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},192,"163546","And that it be governance with a focus on the climate issue.",1627.62,1630.16,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":69,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},193,"163547","There were a series of mergers in there; several systems were put together, all at once.",1632.72,1637.64,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":69,"text":1221,"start_s":1222,"end_s":1223,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},194,"163548","And some very important things were left out.",1639.6,1642.16,{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":69,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},195,"163549","So, for example, they removed the entire Forest Code matter, the rural land registry from it—something that is strategic for the environmental sector.",1642.4,1649.22,{"idx":1231,"utterance_id":1232,"speaker_name":69,"text":1233,"start_s":1234,"end_s":1235,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},196,"163550","So, I think governance is an important point.",1649.24,1651.64,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1237,"speaker_name":69,"text":1238,"start_s":1239,"end_s":1240,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},"163551","Another important point—sanitation has already been mentioned here; I was going to talk about conservation, but let's quickly talk about 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done?",1672.88,1673.82,{"idx":1266,"utterance_id":1267,"speaker_name":69,"text":1268,"start_s":1269,"end_s":1270,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},202,"163556","They took São Paulo and divided it into four lots.",1673.88,1675.62,{"idx":1272,"utterance_id":1273,"speaker_name":69,"text":1274,"start_s":1275,"end_s":1276,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},203,"163557","And they thought the four lots would sell and everything would be fine.",1676.52,1679.16,{"idx":1278,"utterance_id":1279,"speaker_name":69,"text":1280,"start_s":1281,"end_s":1282,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},204,"163558","Not a single interested party even showed up to be able to discuss with the secretariat.",1679.62,1683.44,{"idx":1284,"utterance_id":1285,"speaker_name":69,"text":1286,"start_s":1287,"end_s":1288,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},205,"163559","And now they're discussing another model based on dividing São Paulo into 22 lots.",1683.84,1687.72,{"idx":1290,"utterance_id":1291,"speaker_name":69,"text":1292,"start_s":1293,"end_s":1294,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},206,"163560","Very clearly, this needs to be rethought.",1688.34,1690.58,{"idx":1296,"utterance_id":1297,"speaker_name":69,"text":1298,"start_s":1299,"end_s":1300,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},207,"163561","We... already!",1691.28,1694.42,{"idx":1302,"utterance_id":1303,"speaker_name":69,"text":1304,"start_s":1305,"end_s":1306,"word_count":131,"indexable":74},208,"163562","This debate has already begun internally and I think we need to move forward because it's not about orienting São Paulo, it's not about dividing—I don't think that's the issue.",1695.12,1703.74,{"idx":1308,"utterance_id":1309,"speaker_name":69,"text":1310,"start_s":1311,"end_s":1312,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},209,"163563","São Paulo is the state that is closest to universalization.",1703.96,1706.66,{"idx":1314,"utterance_id":1315,"speaker_name":69,"text":1316,"start_s":1317,"end_s":1318,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},210,"163564","So we have 95% of São Paulo's population with clean water, 95%.",1706.74,1710.96,{"idx":1320,"utterance_id":1321,"speaker_name":69,"text":1322,"start_s":1323,"end_s":1324,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},211,"163565","But where are those 5%?",1711.32,1712.58,{"idx":1326,"utterance_id":1327,"speaker_name":69,"text":1328,"start_s":1329,"end_s":1330,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},212,"163566","Where is that poorer population that doesn't have access to potable water?",1714.2,1717.94,{"idx":1332,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":69,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},213,"163567","It's 5% of São Paulo, but it's a lot of people.",1718.52,1720.36,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":69,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},214,"163568","We have 90% sewage collection, but where is that 10% that doesn't have sewage collection?",1721.54,1726.22,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":69,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},215,"163569","We are experiencing a rapid increase in favelas in the interior of São Paulo like we've never seen.",1726.26,1731.18,{"idx":1350,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":69,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},216,"163570","So, it needs to be debated.",1731.58,1733,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":69,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},217,"163571","And how to treat the 30% of sewage that still needs to be treated in São Paulo?",1733.34,1736.24,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":69,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},218,"163572","There is still 30% lacking even in a relatively 'simple' state like São Paulo.",1736.28,1738.82,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":69,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},219,"163573","So I think that's essential.",1739.08,1740.14,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":69,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},220,"163574","The waste model has always been one where the State handled enforcement, sometimes even over the municipalities, and the municipalities had no money to resolve it.",1740.94,1749.22,{"idx":1380,"utterance_id":1381,"speaker_name":69,"text":1382,"start_s":1383,"end_s":1384,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},221,"163575","We need to rethink this.",1749.74,1751.18,{"idx":1386,"utterance_id":1387,"speaker_name":69,"text":1388,"start_s":1389,"end_s":1390,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},222,"163576","Today we have 53 inadequate landfills in São Paulo.",1751.28,1754.42,{"idx":1392,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":69,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},223,"163577","I think I'm within the allotted time, but let's proceed.",1754.44,1757.86,{"idx":1398,"utterance_id":1399,"speaker_name":69,"text":1400,"start_s":1401,"end_s":1402,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},224,"163578","I think we need to rethink these models.",1758.24,1760.06,{"idx":1404,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":69,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},225,"163579","The State can't just be in command-and-control mode.",1760.44,1763.08,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":69,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},226,"163580","We have to provide a menu of solutions to the municipalities and act 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plan.",1783.26,1788.88,{"idx":1439,"utterance_id":1440,"speaker_name":69,"text":1441,"start_s":1442,"end_s":1443,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},231,"163585","We have to have a plan.",1789.36,1790.5,{"idx":1445,"utterance_id":1446,"speaker_name":69,"text":1447,"start_s":1448,"end_s":1449,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},232,"163586","How are these cities going to prepare for the changes?",1790.58,1793.22,{"idx":1451,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":69,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},233,"163587","The changes are already here.",1793.48,1794.26,{"idx":1457,"utterance_id":1458,"speaker_name":69,"text":1459,"start_s":1460,"end_s":1461,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},234,"163588","We are already experiencing almost 30 extra days of drought in São Paulo.",1795.06,1798.12,{"idx":1463,"utterance_id":1464,"speaker_name":69,"text":1465,"start_s":1466,"end_s":1467,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},235,"163589","So the drought is starting 15 days earlier and ending 15 days later.",1798.14,1801.06,{"idx":1469,"utterance_id":1470,"speaker_name":69,"text":1471,"start_s":1472,"end_s":1473,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},236,"163590","Forest fires, water shortages, and when the rain comes, it's a very serious problem.",1801.62,1806.62,{"idx":1475,"utterance_id":1476,"speaker_name":69,"text":1477,"start_s":1478,"end_s":1479,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},237,"163591","My own city, last year, went 30 days without water.",1808.68,1812.38,{"idx":1481,"utterance_id":1482,"speaker_name":69,"text":1483,"start_s":1484,"end_s":1485,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},238,"163592","Final point.",1812.92,1813.66,{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":69,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},239,"163593","Conservation.",1814.88,1815.62,{"idx":1493,"utterance_id":1494,"speaker_name":69,"text":1495,"start_s":1496,"end_s":1497,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},240,"163594","We have to have a forest restoration plan for São Paulo.",1816.24,1818.78,{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":69,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},241,"163595","We need to be bold.",1818.8,1820.5,{"idx":1505,"utterance_id":1506,"speaker_name":69,"text":1507,"start_s":1508,"end_s":1509,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},242,"163596","We have at least one million hectares just of watershed areas, APPs, springs—areas that need to be restored.",1821.12,1828.72,{"idx":1511,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":69,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},243,"163597","For water production, for soil conservation, to prepare the state for climate change.",1829.06,1834.1,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1517,"speaker_name":69,"text":1518,"start_s":1519,"end_s":1520,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},"163598","So we have to have a large restoration 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same thing.",1846.36,1847.5,{"idx":1552,"utterance_id":1553,"speaker_name":69,"text":1554,"start_s":1555,"end_s":1556,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},250,"163604","The Rio Grande, the same thing.",1847.52,1848.38,{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":69,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},251,"163605","What do we have to do?",1848.42,1849.74,{"idx":1564,"utterance_id":1565,"speaker_name":69,"text":1566,"start_s":1567,"end_s":1568,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},252,"163606","Restore those banks, those rivers—for water production, for everything, for biodiversity to connect with the conservation units.",1849.84,1857.64,{"idx":1570,"utterance_id":1571,"speaker_name":69,"text":1572,"start_s":1573,"end_s":1574,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},253,"163607","The conservation units, generally speaking, we had a mess: part was managed by the Fundação Florestal, part by the Instituto Florestal.",1858.26,1865.9,{"idx":1576,"utterance_id":1577,"speaker_name":69,"text":1578,"start_s":1579,"end_s":1580,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},254,"163608","They also did something without talking to anyone and merged the institutes.",1866.82,1870.1,{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":69,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},255,"163609","The institutes were already run down, but they were simply put together, everyone together.",1870.44,1874.06,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":69,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},256,"163610","The institute has no assignment whatsoever in the area of climate change, and it has enormous importance in debating the topic of climate change.",1874.58,1881.06,{"idx":1594,"utterance_id":1595,"speaker_name":69,"text":1596,"start_s":1597,"end_s":1598,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},257,"163611","We need to revitalize environmental research in São Paulo.",1881.48,1884.54,{"idx":1600,"utterance_id":1601,"speaker_name":69,"text":1602,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},258,"163612","And, obviously, the conservation units... I'm finishing up.",1885.72,1888.98,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":69,"text":1608,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1610,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},259,"163613","The conservation units—whatever we can do to reconnect them with the population... The population is eager to visit the conservation units.",1889.24,1897.86,{"idx":1612,"utterance_id":1613,"speaker_name":69,"text":1614,"start_s":1615,"end_s":1616,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},260,"163614","Most conservation units aren't even open for visitation.",1897.88,1901.68,{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":69,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},261,"163615","We need to rethink this logic.",1903.14,1905.68,{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":69,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},262,"163616","Any park here in São Paulo on the weekend is packed.",1905.94,1908.84,{"idx":1630,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":69,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},263,"163617","In the interior there's nothing for the population to use.",1909.42,1911.98,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":69,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},264,"163618","And I'm talking about the whole priority.",1912.4,1914.06,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":69,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},265,"163619","That area that was made available for visitation.",1915.04,1917.3,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":69,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},266,"163620","Just in experimental station areas, we have 40 thousand hectares in São Paulo, which are state property.",1917.82,1924.06,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":69,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},267,"163621","which is vegetation that we can turn into conservation units and bring the population to reconnect in a broad environmental education program.",1925.12,1932.7,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":69,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},268,"163622","So, we could keep talking for a long time, but I think we have to rethink this governance.",1933.08,1938.38,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":69,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},269,"163623","It's not about rewinding the tape to four years ago, three years ago.",1938.78,1942.8,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":69,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},270,"163624","We have to rethink, right?",1942.82,1944.46,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":69,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},271,"163625","And with an eye toward the population, to look at the State of São Paulo.",1944.84,1949.84,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":69,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},272,"163626","But that's it, everyone.",1950.08,1955.64,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":69,"text":367,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},273,"163627",1955.74,1957.9,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":69,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},274,"163628","Thank you, Valeriano.",1957.94,1958.88,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":69,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},275,"163629","Don't forget Seratinho Paulista either.",1958.98,1961.18,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":69,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},276,"163630","Also remember that our seminar is being broadcast live on Fernando Haddad's networks.",1967.38,1974.62,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":69,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},277,"163631","So a greeting to everyone who is following us from there.",1974.68,1978,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":69,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},278,"163632","And also remember that our virtual platform remains online receiving contributions until August 1st.",1979.52,1985.46,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":69,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},279,"163633","And after that we'll take it offline.",1986.1,1988.38,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":69,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},280,"163634","Because then it's just—we're in the systematization phase.",1989.12,1992.48,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":69,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},281,"163635","Now, let's call, to take the floor, João Paulo Capobianco, representing the network.",1993.32,1998.76,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":69,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},282,"163636","Good evening, everyone.",2002.44,2004.98,{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":69,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},283,"163637","Nádia, Marina and everyone.",2005.86,2007.62,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":69,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},284,"163638","It's a pleasure to be with you here, a fellow fighter down at the National Congress.",2007.7,2016,{"idx":1761,"utterance_id":1762,"speaker_name":69,"text":1763,"start_s":1764,"end_s":1765,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},285,"163639","As he said, I could spend ages here just talking about the people on the panel and the many people sitting over there in the broadcast, who are people of such relevance, great experience, so much knowledge, but in a little while daddy is going to start lifting that little one there and I'll be desperate.",2017.42,2033.66,{"idx":1767,"utterance_id":1768,"speaker_name":69,"text":1769,"start_s":1770,"end_s":1771,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},286,"163640","I'll also allow myself not to go into so many details, because I think all those who spoke here... thinking of Nabil, who gave an excellent introduction, already spoke about several central issues—everyone has spoken here, Rodrigo too and all the others.",2037.92,2053.74,{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":69,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},287,"163641","I actually wanted to speak about two things that I consider relevant.",2053.82,2059.72,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":69,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},288,"163642","One of them is some data about São Paulo.",2059.92,2063.04,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":69,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},289,"163643","One fact that I consider very important, which we should always keep in mind, is the climate issue.",2066.04,2070.22,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":69,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},290,"163644","The climate issue has today become the central issue.",2070.24,2074.56,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":69,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},291,"163645","Not just of Brazil, not just of São Paulo, but of the planet.",2075,2078.8,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1803,"speaker_name":69,"text":1804,"start_s":1805,"end_s":1806,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},"163646","The climate issue is central.",2079.3,2081.16,{"idx":1808,"utterance_id":1809,"speaker_name":69,"text":1810,"start_s":1811,"end_s":1812,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},293,"163647","The emergency, the urgency of emissions reduction is something absolutely crucial for everything we are talking about, including for any option of government continuity.",2082.08,2094.28,{"idx":1814,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":69,"text":1816,"start_s":1817,"end_s":1818,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},294,"163648","And São Paulo has an enormous potential that is not being used.",2095.08,2099.46,{"idx":1820,"utterance_id":1821,"speaker_name":69,"text":1822,"start_s":1823,"end_s":1824,"word_count":359,"indexable":74},295,"163649","To give an idea of the evolution, if we compare 1990 with 2020 — a long period — looking at the emissions of the State of São Paulo, we didn't actually increase that much; we increased emissions by 20%, despite all the development the State had and all the population growth.",2100.58,2121.22,{"idx":1826,"utterance_id":1827,"speaker_name":69,"text":1828,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},296,"163650","So, in proportional numbers, it doesn't seem like much.",2121.26,2124.54,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":69,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},297,"163651","But when I look, on one hand, at the emissions profile and, on the other, at the reduction commitment that São Paulo had, I see that we are... very far from positive progress and therefore it opens a window of opportunity.",2125.48,2141.36,{"idx":1838,"utterance_id":1839,"speaker_name":69,"text":1840,"start_s":1841,"end_s":1842,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},298,"163652","Look, in São Paulo it has always been, since 1990, that the energy sector has had the largest contribution to emissions.",2141.38,2151.18,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":1845,"speaker_name":69,"text":1846,"start_s":1847,"end_s":1848,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},299,"163653","We went from 38.6% in 1990 to 53.32% today.",2152.2,2158.14,{"idx":1850,"utterance_id":1851,"speaker_name":69,"text":1852,"start_s":1853,"end_s":1854,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},300,"163654","That is to say, more than half of emissions in São Paulo are from energy and transport.",2158.5,2164.72,{"idx":1856,"utterance_id":1857,"speaker_name":69,"text":1858,"start_s":1859,"end_s":1860,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},301,"163655","Therefore, right away it opens up a huge opportunity.",2165.3,2168.92,{"idx":1862,"utterance_id":1863,"speaker_name":69,"text":1864,"start_s":1865,"end_s":1866,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},302,"163656","Renewable energies are already here.",2169.56,2172.24,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":69,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},"163657","This is not a pipe dream.",2172.34,2173.8,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":69,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},304,"163658","Renewable energy is a reality.",2174.66,2176.22,{"idx":1879,"utterance_id":1880,"speaker_name":69,"text":1881,"start_s":1882,"end_s":1883,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},305,"163659","Fleet electrification is a reality.",2177.04,2180.28,{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":69,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},306,"163660","The numbers add up; they are economically viable.",2181.5,2185.36,{"idx":1891,"utterance_id":1892,"speaker_name":69,"text":1893,"start_s":1894,"end_s":1895,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},307,"163661","What is missing?",2185.48,2186.18,{"idx":1897,"utterance_id":1898,"speaker_name":69,"text":1899,"start_s":1900,"end_s":1901,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},308,"163662","The decision to do it is missing.",2186.56,2188,{"idx":1903,"utterance_id":1904,"speaker_name":69,"text":1905,"start_s":1906,"end_s":1907,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},309,"163663","A couple of policies are missing to make it happen.",2188.74,2190.46,{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":69,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},310,"163664","So, an opportunity opens here.",2190.5,2191.48,{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":69,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},311,"163665","If we manage to gradually reduce the energy sector's contribution to climate emissions, São Paulo will move very quickly toward a large reduction in emissions.",2191.54,2202.22,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":69,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},312,"163666","Another incredible point, which has everything to do with what several people here said, is solid waste.",2202.98,2207.44,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":69,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},313,"163667","Look, in 1990 waste produced 7.3 million tonnes and represented 100% of the emissions.",2207.48,2216.52,{"idx":1933,"utterance_id":1934,"speaker_name":69,"text":1935,"start_s":1936,"end_s":1937,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},314,"163668","Today it's 17 million tonnes, representing 12%.",2216.72,2221.22,{"idx":1939,"utterance_id":1940,"speaker_name":69,"text":1941,"start_s":1942,"end_s":1943,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},315,"163669","It's crazy!",2221.66,2222.44,{"idx":1945,"utterance_id":1946,"speaker_name":69,"text":1947,"start_s":1948,"end_s":1949,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},316,"163670","It is the failure to comply with solid waste legislation, the lack of properly managed sanitary landfills and controlled facilities.",2223.7,2230.48,{"idx":1951,"utterance_id":1952,"speaker_name":69,"text":1953,"start_s":1954,"end_s":1955,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},317,"163671","The open dumps are driving São Paulo's emissions way up.",2230.5,2234.56,{"idx":1957,"utterance_id":1958,"speaker_name":69,"text":1959,"start_s":1960,"end_s":1961,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},318,"163672","So, another huge opportunity to enforce the law, improve society's and the population's situation, support low-income people and tackle the emissions issue.",2235.26,2248.6,{"idx":1963,"utterance_id":1964,"speaker_name":69,"text":1965,"start_s":1966,"end_s":1967,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},319,"163673","Now, São Paulo had committed in 2009, when it approved its policy in São Paulo do Oriente, to reduce emissions by 20% between 2005 and 2020.",2249.94,2260.08,{"idx":1969,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":69,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},320,"163674","It reduced 0.7%.",2260.82,2261.38,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":69,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},321,"163675","That is to say, 20%.",2262.34,2266.78,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":69,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},322,"163676","So, São Paulo is extremely behind, but, I repeat, it opens a huge window of opportunities.",2266.8,2273.8,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":69,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},323,"163677","São Paulo today is the fourth-largest emitter.",2273.84,2275.98,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":69,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},324,"163678","Quickly, São Paulo could become... a country... quickly.",2276.6,2281.86,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":69,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},325,"163679","São Paulo could be... quickly... quickly.",2283.78,2293.04,{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":69,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},326,"163680","São Paulo can become a state not just neutral.",2293.08,2297.92,{"idx":2011,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":69,"text":2013,"start_s":2014,"end_s":2015,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},327,"163681","São Paulo can be net negative in emissions.",2299.1,2302.22,{"idx":2017,"utterance_id":2018,"speaker_name":69,"text":2019,"start_s":2020,"end_s":2021,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},328,"163682","São Paulo could be the first Brazilian state to achieve negative emissions if it implements a strong agenda.",2302.48,2308.62,{"idx":2023,"utterance_id":2024,"speaker_name":69,"text":2025,"start_s":2026,"end_s":2027,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},329,"163683","Now, changing the subject a bit, going to the issue that was mentioned here: sanitation.",2309.2,2313.48,{"idx":2029,"utterance_id":2030,"speaker_name":69,"text":2031,"start_s":2032,"end_s":2033,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},330,"163684","This is a point that I think is simply, as that journalist would say, a shame.",2314.28,2321.06,{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":69,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},331,"163685","Look, all these numbers are very absurd and very... You don't have any social concern.",2321.84,2330.06,{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":69,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},332,"163686","Because, oh, 95% already have water.",2331.74,2333.14,{"idx":2047,"utterance_id":2048,"speaker_name":69,"text":2049,"start_s":2050,"end_s":2051,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},333,"163687","Oh, 83% have collection.",2333.74,2336.44,{"idx":2053,"utterance_id":2054,"speaker_name":69,"text":2055,"start_s":2056,"end_s":2057,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},334,"163688","But let's get to the numbers.",2336.48,2337.84,{"idx":2059,"utterance_id":2060,"speaker_name":69,"text":2061,"start_s":2062,"end_s":2063,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},335,"163689","Look.",2338.4,2338.78,{"idx":2065,"utterance_id":2066,"speaker_name":69,"text":2067,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2068,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},336,"163690","1.6 million people in São Paulo do not have treated water.",2345.08,{"idx":2070,"utterance_id":2071,"speaker_name":69,"text":2072,"start_s":2073,"end_s":2074,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},337,"163691","Tocantins, we have the richest state of the nation, by Tocantins, which does not have water, access to collection.",2346.84,2358.88,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":69,"text":2078,"start_s":2074,"end_s":2079,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},338,"163692","4.4 million people in São Paulo do not have collection services.",2364.58,{"idx":2081,"utterance_id":2082,"speaker_name":69,"text":2083,"start_s":2084,"end_s":2085,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},339,"163693","That is greater than the population of 14 Brazilian states — not combined, obviously, but if I take 14 states, they have a smaller population.",2365.44,2373.68,{"idx":2087,"utterance_id":2088,"speaker_name":69,"text":2089,"start_s":2090,"end_s":2091,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},340,"163694","of R$ 4.4 million.",2374.28,2375.46,{"idx":2093,"utterance_id":2094,"speaker_name":69,"text":2095,"start_s":2096,"end_s":2097,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},341,"163695","So, we are talking about an absurd scourge, but one that is also an opportunity.",2375.56,2380.58,{"idx":2099,"utterance_id":2100,"speaker_name":69,"text":2101,"start_s":2102,"end_s":2103,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},342,"163696","Why?",2380.74,2381.06,{"idx":2105,"utterance_id":2106,"speaker_name":69,"text":2107,"start_s":2108,"end_s":2109,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},343,"163697","Providing sanitation implies mobilizing society, mobilizing resources, mobilizing labor force and work, generating employment and income.",2381.86,2390.46,{"idx":2111,"utterance_id":2112,"speaker_name":69,"text":2113,"start_s":2114,"end_s":2115,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},344,"163698","And this view that this is a problem — we have to change that.",2391.26,2396.84,{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":69,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},345,"163699","We have to see that this is an opportunity arising from a societal need.",2396.98,2401.94,{"idx":2123,"utterance_id":2124,"speaker_name":69,"text":2125,"start_s":2126,"end_s":2127,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},346,"163700","and, at the same time, it creates opportunities.",2402.42,2404.56,{"idx":2129,"utterance_id":2130,"speaker_name":69,"text":2131,"start_s":2132,"end_s":2133,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},347,"163701","Capozzi, do you have that same number for treated sewage?",2404.6,2407.9,{"idx":2135,"utterance_id":2136,"speaker_name":69,"text":2137,"start_s":2138,"end_s":2139,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},348,"163702","To give you an idea, now I'm going to get there.",2408.1,2411.76,{"idx":2141,"utterance_id":2142,"speaker_name":69,"text":2143,"start_s":2144,"end_s":2145,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},349,"163703","Look, look.",2411.8,2412.88,{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":69,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},350,"163704","No, no, honestly, you're sitting, but I'm going to say the following.",2412.92,2416.5,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":69,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},351,"163705","São Paulo, simply put, the volume of sewage that is discharged, that is produced, is not even collected.",2417.1,2428.4,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":69,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},352,"163706","It represents 6 million cubic meters per year.",2429.42,2432.84,{"idx":2165,"utterance_id":2166,"speaker_name":69,"text":2167,"start_s":2168,"end_s":2169,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},353,"163707","It is not even collected; at least it goes straight into the open system.",2434.02,2436.54,{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":69,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},354,"163708","Of what is collected by companies, including Sabesp, which is truly the largest sanitation company in Latin America, Sabesp collects and does not treat 4 million cubic meters.",2437.6,2450.12,{"idx":2177,"utterance_id":2178,"speaker_name":69,"text":2179,"start_s":2180,"end_s":2181,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},355,"163709","What does it do with that?",2450.16,2451.24,{"idx":2183,"utterance_id":2184,"speaker_name":69,"text":2185,"start_s":2186,"end_s":2187,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},356,"163710","It throws it into the system.",2451.36,2452.6,{"idx":2189,"utterance_id":2190,"speaker_name":69,"text":2191,"start_s":2192,"end_s":2193,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},357,"163711","Sabesp discharges into the system, every year, 4 million cubic meters of sewage.",2453.1,2459.16,{"idx":2195,"utterance_id":2196,"speaker_name":69,"text":2197,"start_s":2198,"end_s":2199,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},358,"163712","Because it doesn't treat it.",2460.02,2460.96,{"idx":2201,"utterance_id":2202,"speaker_name":69,"text":2203,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},359,"163713","We're talking, to give an idea, that we discharge in the State of São Paulo 2 billion liters of sewage every day into the rivers, streams, hydroponological system.",2461.88,2474.56,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":69,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},360,"163714","So, we have enormous problems.",2474.62,2477.16,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":69,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},361,"163715","From there I move on.",2477.2,2478,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":69,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},362,"163716","To finish the problems, which for me are always opportunities, I will go to the CAR that was mentioned here.",2478.06,2482.76,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":69,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},363,"163717","Folks, look at this.",2483.36,2484.6,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":69,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},364,"163718","São Paulo set up the CAR, the whole of Brazil set up the CAR.",2485.42,2489.92,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":69,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},365,"163719","And their rural properties went there and registered; they joined SICAR, the Rural Environmental Registry System.",2490.04,2498.74,{"idx":2243,"utterance_id":2244,"speaker_name":69,"text":2245,"start_s":2246,"end_s":2247,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},366,"163720","We have, in the State of São Paulo, 400,935 properties registered in SICAR.",2499.22,2506.82,{"idx":2249,"utterance_id":2250,"speaker_name":69,"text":2251,"start_s":2252,"end_s":2253,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},367,"163721","Society did its part, rural producers did their part.",2508.38,2511.84,{"idx":2255,"utterance_id":2256,"speaker_name":69,"text":2257,"start_s":2258,"end_s":2259,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},368,"163722","And the State?",2512.22,2512.8,{"idx":288,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":69,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},"163723","What did the State do?",2513.06,2513.88,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":69,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},370,"163724","Do you know how much the State assessed and validated?",2514.38,2519.52,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":69,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},371,"163725","Of that volume, in 10 years, 1.9%.",2520.18,2524.08,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":69,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},372,"163726","That is, the State does not validate the CAR.",2526.18,2530.92,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":69,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},373,"163727","If it doesn't validate the CAR, it means that everyone who is there is validated by lapse of time.",2531.78,2539.4,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":69,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},374,"163728","And by not validating the CAR, it does not use the tools that the CAR enables and offers for APP recovery,",2540.38,2547.26,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":69,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},375,"163729","for recovery of the legal reserve and for rural territorial management.",2548.28,2551.64,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":69,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},376,"163730","So, it's another opportunity, because validating the CAR is something that can be done quickly, provided there is political will and the capitalization of São Paulo.",2552.42,2564.28,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":69,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},377,"163731","To give you an idea, according to CAR data, we are talking about 768,580 hectares of APPs, areas of permanent protection, that need to be recovered.",2564.86,2577.4,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":69,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},378,"163732","Each hectare of APP recovery can generate, in 20 years, up to 140 tonnes of carbon.",2579.38,2587.3,{"idx":2320,"utterance_id":2321,"speaker_name":69,"text":2322,"start_s":2323,"end_s":2324,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},379,"163733","At $10 per tonne, times 768 thousand, we're talking about billions of reais of potential just from the carbon market.",2588.46,2600.5,{"idx":2326,"utterance_id":2327,"speaker_name":69,"text":2328,"start_s":2329,"end_s":2330,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},380,"163734","Aside from soil recovery, apart from the improvement of agricultural production, apart from the recovery of fauna.",2601.12,2606.48,{"idx":2332,"utterance_id":2333,"speaker_name":69,"text":2334,"start_s":2335,"end_s":2336,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},381,"163735","We are always talking about this... And I'd like to draw attention to that.",2607.32,2610.62,{"idx":2338,"utterance_id":2339,"speaker_name":69,"text":2340,"start_s":2341,"end_s":2342,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},382,"163736","There's nothing more to say, but I'll wrap up, because I've already received the red, yellow, blue ticket, all the colors.",2611.22,2615.98,{"idx":2344,"utterance_id":2345,"speaker_name":69,"text":2346,"start_s":2347,"end_s":2348,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},383,"163737","And afterwards we'll talk more calmly.",2616.96,2619.14,{"idx":2350,"utterance_id":2351,"speaker_name":69,"text":2352,"start_s":2353,"end_s":2354,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},384,"163738","But I just wanted to conclude by saying the following.",2619.18,2620.84,{"idx":2356,"utterance_id":2357,"speaker_name":69,"text":2358,"start_s":2359,"end_s":2360,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},385,"163739","Adarde, in my opinion, our greatest challenge is not these data that I showed here.",2621.22,2628.02,{"idx":2362,"utterance_id":2363,"speaker_name":69,"text":2364,"start_s":2365,"end_s":2366,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},386,"163740","Our greatest challenge is to have a government that assumes that the ecological and climate transition is an opportunity",2628.8,2638.92,{"idx":2368,"utterance_id":2369,"speaker_name":69,"text":2370,"start_s":2371,"end_s":2372,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},387,"163741","and not a problem.",2639.1,2640.32,{"idx":2374,"utterance_id":2375,"speaker_name":69,"text":2376,"start_s":2377,"end_s":2378,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},388,"163742","This is the challenge.",2641.42,2642.62,{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":69,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},389,"163743","It's a matter of fighting.",2642.64,2643.66,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":69,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},390,"163744","It's a matter of political orientation.",2644.76,2647.38,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":69,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},391,"163745","Not fighting against the State.",2648.54,2650.88,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":69,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":131,"indexable":74},392,"163746","The universities that are full of competence, the innovation in São Paulo—not only technological and scientific innovation, but political innovation—are essential for us to actually transform this challenge.",2650.92,2668.02,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":69,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},393,"163747","into an opportunity to promote sustainability and, even more importantly, to combat inequality.",2668.88,2675.9,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":69,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},394,"163748","Because I think we've really reached a point where not addressing inequality as a priority truly does not justify any government.",2675.96,2686.64,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":69,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},395,"163749","So I think the opportunity has been presented.",2686.66,2689.68,{"idx":2422,"utterance_id":2423,"speaker_name":69,"text":2424,"start_s":2425,"end_s":2426,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},396,"163750","I think you can mobilize many forces in society, including the business sector.",2690.24,2697.36,{"idx":2428,"utterance_id":2429,"speaker_name":69,"text":2430,"start_s":2431,"end_s":2432,"word_count":334,"indexable":74},397,"163751","which is thirsty for guidance to anticipate this agenda of State evolution, because our State, in fact, is the leading State for solutions to the ecological and climate transition in Brazil and in the world; São Paulo's education sector carries considerable weight.",2698.58,2716.74,{"idx":2434,"utterance_id":2435,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":2437,"end_s":2438,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},398,"163752","Thank you very much.",2716.8,2726.74,{"idx":2440,"utterance_id":2441,"speaker_name":69,"text":2442,"start_s":2443,"end_s":2444,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},399,"163753","Also present are Miriam Algarra, pre-candidate for state deputy, Zezinho, pre-candidate for federal deputy, and Tarlene Testa.",2727.46,2737.48,{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":69,"text":2448,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},400,"163754","Now, the floor goes to our dear Sônia Guajajara.",2738.7,2742.32,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":69,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},401,"163755","Wow, I called her Sônia Joana, I'm such a joke.",2742.38,2747.94,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":69,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},402,"163756","Certainly, Sônia.",2748.04,2752.9,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":69,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},403,"163757","These women, these leaders, they end up leaving us inspired, moved.",2753.04,2760.24,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":69,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},404,"163758","Just that Joana is a friend—long live kinship.",2761.92,2764.36,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":69,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},405,"163759","Well, folks, good evening everyone.",2765.94,2769.28,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":69,"text":2484,"start_s":2485,"end_s":2486,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},406,"163760","Thank you very much for the invitation.",2769.36,2771.22,{"idx":2488,"utterance_id":2489,"speaker_name":69,"text":2490,"start_s":2491,"end_s":2492,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},407,"163761","It's very good to be able to participate in this moment, which is almost finalizing the construction of proposals here for the future governor of São Paulo, Haddad.",2771.9,2783.16,{"idx":2494,"utterance_id":2495,"speaker_name":69,"text":2496,"start_s":2497,"end_s":2498,"word_count":459,"indexable":74},408,"163762","I found this dynamic of bringing all these people together very important, and we who also come from different parties to be here together, contributing and bringing our... And I speak here today both as an indigenous leader, who is part of the executive coordination of the Bible, articulation of indigenous peoples in Brazil, but I also speak as a pre-candidate, federal deputy here for the State of São Paulo, Pedro Besson.",2783.92,2810.18,{"idx":2500,"utterance_id":2501,"speaker_name":69,"text":2502,"start_s":2503,"end_s":2504,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},409,"163763","I think it's important to highlight this, because many people already know I'm a pre-candidate, but it's that I was a deputy in Maranhão, right?",2810.2,2817.5,{"idx":2506,"utterance_id":2507,"speaker_name":69,"text":2508,"start_s":2509,"end_s":2510,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},410,"163764","But I didn't do like Moro, I'm duly domiciled in São Paulo.",2817.52,2821.74,{"idx":2512,"utterance_id":2513,"speaker_name":69,"text":2514,"start_s":2515,"end_s":2516,"word_count":328,"indexable":74},411,"163765","Domiciled in São Paulo so we can join forces here in facing not only climate change but the climate crisis already underway, and together try to avert the climate tragedy that is also looming.",2823.86,2841.78,{"idx":2518,"utterance_id":2519,"speaker_name":69,"text":2520,"start_s":2521,"end_s":2522,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},412,"163766","stemming from these developmentalist economic models that are not managing to end inequality or to make the country's GDP, São Paulo's, or Brazil's reduce this situation of inequality, hunger, lack of work and lack of housing for people.",2842.24,2863.94,{"idx":2524,"utterance_id":2525,"speaker_name":69,"text":2526,"start_s":2527,"end_s":2528,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},413,"163767","Well, I want to emphasize everything that my future friend in Congress, Rodrigo Agostinho, said.",2864.72,2870.66,{"idx":2530,"utterance_id":2531,"speaker_name":69,"text":2532,"start_s":2533,"end_s":2534,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},414,"163768","The important partner in the Chamber who has brought this entire environmental agenda, part of the Environment Committee, which he led brilliantly there, always considering the participation of indigenous peoples.",2872.44,2884.78,{"idx":2536,"utterance_id":2537,"speaker_name":69,"text":2538,"start_s":2539,"end_s":2540,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},415,"163769","And I'm very happy to hear you as well, Gabo Bianco, bringing this entire environmental agenda to the center of the political debate.",2885.28,2893.86,{"idx":2542,"utterance_id":2543,"speaker_name":69,"text":2544,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2546,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},416,"163770","It is very important that the environmental agenda be central, at the core, and no longer a secondary issue.",2894.04,2901.54,{"idx":2548,"utterance_id":2549,"speaker_name":69,"text":2550,"start_s":2551,"end_s":2552,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},417,"163771","After all, if we do not protect, do not care today and do not make environmental protection viable also as an income-generating activity, we will not be able to guarantee an economy for anyone.",2902.14,2912.68,{"idx":2554,"utterance_id":2555,"speaker_name":69,"text":2556,"start_s":2557,"end_s":2558,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},418,"163772","So it is very important to think—it's important to think about this indigenous presence also in São Paulo, a state that has more than 42,000 indigenous people, who are in villages, in urban contexts and who are also in areas not yet demarcated.",2913.76,2933.62,{"idx":2560,"utterance_id":2561,"speaker_name":69,"text":2562,"start_s":2563,"end_s":2564,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},419,"163773","But it is important to say that all that remaining Atlantic Forest preserved in São Paulo is on indigenous territories.",2934.1,2943.98,{"idx":2566,"utterance_id":2567,"speaker_name":69,"text":2568,"start_s":2569,"end_s":2570,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},420,"163774","And where there is this indigenous presence it guarantees protected biodiversity, clean water, and food without poison.",2944.72,2951.88,{"idx":2572,"utterance_id":2573,"speaker_name":69,"text":2574,"start_s":2575,"end_s":2576,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},421,"163775","I recently visited the northern coast and went to the Renascer village, a small village, an area of 150 hectares which was returned to the indigenous peoples from an area totally degraded by mining.",2952.54,2967.66,{"idx":2578,"utterance_id":2579,"speaker_name":69,"text":2580,"start_s":2581,"end_s":2582,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},422,"163776","And in 20 years that entire area where the villages are, where the indigenous people are, has been fully recovered.",2968.36,2975.78,{"idx":2584,"utterance_id":2585,"speaker_name":69,"text":2586,"start_s":2587,"end_s":2588,"word_count":489,"indexable":74},423,"163777","So I want to say here that it is very important to consider, beyond me, this participation of indigenous peoples so that we can be building this entire program together, beyond the environmental and sanitation agenda as well, but so that we can add up, because this environmental discussion must bring this vision, this cosmopolitics, that from this environmental protection the environmental agenda is what shapes the economic agenda.",2976.56,3004,{"idx":2590,"utterance_id":2591,"speaker_name":69,"text":2592,"start_s":2593,"end_s":2594,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},424,"163778","And from the environmental agenda we will also be able to ensure discussion of education and health. So it is very important that we indigenous people can be together, especially concerning land, territory, environment and infrastructure.",3004.44,3020.76,{"idx":2596,"utterance_id":2597,"speaker_name":69,"text":2598,"start_s":2599,"end_s":2600,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},425,"163779","Considering that, just one piece of data to close, because I also see that time is up, but I think it's important to think of São Paulo also as a State that has this responsibility towards the other biomes as well, above all the Amazon.",3021.48,3038.74,{"idx":2602,"utterance_id":2603,"speaker_name":69,"text":2604,"start_s":2605,"end_s":2606,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},426,"163780","After all... A large part of what comes from illegal exploitation is generating profit in São Paulo.",3038.82,3044.74,{"idx":2608,"utterance_id":2609,"speaker_name":69,"text":2610,"start_s":2611,"end_s":2612,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},427,"163781","From what comes from the exploitation of territories and also from the violence against indigenous peoples in the other biomes.",3045.58,3052.96,{"idx":2614,"utterance_id":2615,"speaker_name":69,"text":2616,"start_s":2617,"end_s":2618,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},428,"163782","So it is very important to also think that this economy in São Paulo values the other biomes.",3053.3,3058.94,{"idx":2620,"utterance_id":2621,"speaker_name":69,"text":2622,"start_s":2623,"end_s":2624,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},429,"163783","Remembering that we, indigenous peoples, are only 5% of the world's population and we protect 82%.",3059.56,3066.52,{"idx":2626,"utterance_id":2627,"speaker_name":69,"text":2628,"start_s":2629,"end_s":2630,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},430,"163784","of the biodiversity that is alive in the world.",3067.16,3070.66,{"idx":2632,"utterance_id":2633,"speaker_name":69,"text":2634,"start_s":2635,"end_s":2636,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},431,"163785","Thus, no program can be disregarded anymore without valuing the participation of indigenous peoples.",3071.18,3078.48,{"idx":2638,"utterance_id":2639,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":2640,"end_s":2641,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},432,"163786",3078.54,3079.2,{"idx":2643,"utterance_id":2644,"speaker_name":69,"text":2645,"start_s":2646,"end_s":2647,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},433,"163787","Thank you very much, Sônia.",3085.68,3087.1,{"idx":2649,"utterance_id":2650,"speaker_name":69,"text":2651,"start_s":2652,"end_s":2653,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},434,"163788","Good luck to you.",3087.32,3088.48,{"idx":2655,"utterance_id":2656,"speaker_name":69,"text":2657,"start_s":2658,"end_s":2659,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},435,"163789","Just a correction here.",3094.96,3096.32,{"idx":2661,"utterance_id":2662,"speaker_name":69,"text":2663,"start_s":2664,"end_s":2665,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},436,"163790","Fábio Bonavita, and not Bonavite as I said, he is not from the sectoral group, he is the PT's Secretary of the Environment.",3096.62,3118.44,{"idx":2667,"utterance_id":2668,"speaker_name":69,"text":2669,"start_s":2670,"end_s":2671,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},437,"163791","Well, we will now proceed, then, to call previously selected interventions representing institutions and movements, because we cannot, it is not possible to open the floor to everyone, because we need to be far beyond, so we chose to do... in this representative way.",3118.54,3140.18,{"idx":2673,"utterance_id":2674,"speaker_name":69,"text":2675,"start_s":2676,"end_s":2677,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},438,"163792","So there will be three-minute interventions.",3140.24,3142.78,{"idx":2679,"utterance_id":2680,"speaker_name":69,"text":2681,"start_s":2682,"end_s":2683,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},439,"163793","I ask that people be brief, so that we can save time, either through Marina or through Haddad at the end.",3143.38,3151.24,{"idx":2685,"utterance_id":2686,"speaker_name":69,"text":2687,"start_s":2688,"end_s":2689,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},440,"163794","So I begin by calling Marcel Marcontes, who is from the PV and rector of the Anamã Institute.",3152.06,3157.6,{"idx":2691,"utterance_id":2692,"speaker_name":69,"text":2693,"start_s":2694,"end_s":2695,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},441,"163795","Right in front of the audience there will be the little sign.",3172.62,3176.72,{"idx":2697,"utterance_id":2698,"speaker_name":69,"text":2699,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},442,"163796","Show it there, holding the sign.",3177.5,3179.38,{"idx":2703,"utterance_id":2704,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":2705,"end_s":2706,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},443,"163797",3183.52,3185.38,{"idx":2708,"utterance_id":2709,"speaker_name":69,"text":2710,"start_s":2711,"end_s":2712,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},444,"163798","Our future governor, Fernando Haddad, Marina, via the ship, I greet everyone at the table.",3185.8,3192.36,{"idx":2714,"utterance_id":2715,"speaker_name":69,"text":2716,"start_s":2717,"end_s":2718,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},445,"163799","I also want to greet here, bringing a hug from the presidents of the State Belisario, president Pena, national, to everyone here.",3192.82,3201.22,{"idx":2720,"utterance_id":2721,"speaker_name":69,"text":2722,"start_s":2723,"end_s":2724,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},446,"163800","To our pre-candidate, state deputy Romildo Campelo, to Brito of the PP and to our director of ANAMA for metropolitan regions, Michele Freitas.",3201.86,3211.26,{"idx":2726,"utterance_id":2727,"speaker_name":69,"text":2728,"start_s":2729,"end_s":2730,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},447,"163801","from Mogi das Cruzes, and through her greet all the women and everyone present here.",3211.7,3219.02,{"idx":2732,"utterance_id":2733,"speaker_name":69,"text":2734,"start_s":2735,"end_s":2736,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},448,"163802","Well, within this proposal presented by the PV, governor, if everyone allows me to call you that, our governor Fernando Haddad, we sought a dialogue, that is, to establish a diagnosis, a perception.",3219.68,3239,{"idx":2738,"utterance_id":2739,"speaker_name":69,"text":2740,"start_s":2741,"end_s":2742,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},449,"163803","in the state of São Paulo.",3239.4,3240.56,{"idx":2744,"utterance_id":2745,"speaker_name":69,"text":2746,"start_s":2747,"end_s":2748,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},450,"163804","So we sought to speak with managers.",3240.88,3243.68,{"idx":2750,"utterance_id":2751,"speaker_name":69,"text":2752,"start_s":2753,"end_s":2754,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},451,"163805","So we went to talk to those who were on the front lines, because things happen in the municipalities.",3243.7,3249.2,{"idx":2756,"utterance_id":2757,"speaker_name":69,"text":2758,"start_s":2759,"end_s":2760,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},452,"163806","Thus, our proposal arose from conversations with environment secretaries, with people who are linked to environmental governance as a whole.",3249.5,3259.16,{"idx":2762,"utterance_id":2763,"speaker_name":69,"text":2764,"start_s":2765,"end_s":2766,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},453,"163807","Then, within this range of information, we highlighted important points, such as research, science, and technology.",3259.54,3267.34,{"idx":2768,"utterance_id":2769,"speaker_name":69,"text":2770,"start_s":2771,"end_s":2772,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},454,"163808","And strengthening—all of this will be a gear, which is the strengthening of municipalities with the State government.",3267.98,3274.28,{"idx":2774,"utterance_id":2775,"speaker_name":69,"text":2776,"start_s":2777,"end_s":2778,"word_count":388,"indexable":74},455,"163809","So we need to discuss sanitation at the base, that is, that the population have access to treated water, proper collection, that is the removal of sewage, waste, the valorization of cooperatives, of waste pickers as a whole, thinking of the climate transition, bringing... Within this concept of ecological transition, the concept of sustainable cities.",3274.68,3300.84,{"idx":2780,"utterance_id":2781,"speaker_name":69,"text":2782,"start_s":2783,"end_s":2784,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},456,"163810","In other words, we need efficient public policies.",3301.16,3304.66,{"idx":2786,"utterance_id":2787,"speaker_name":69,"text":2788,"start_s":2789,"end_s":2790,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},457,"163811","For that, we need to value the State civil servant, the one who is even represented here by everyone.",3304.94,3312.14,{"idx":2792,"utterance_id":2793,"speaker_name":69,"text":2794,"start_s":2795,"end_s":2796,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},458,"163812","Very well, I will go on.",3312.78,3315.82,{"idx":2798,"utterance_id":2799,"speaker_name":69,"text":2800,"start_s":2801,"end_s":2802,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},459,"163813","The restructuring of the Secretariat of the Environment, giving it an active voice.",3316.74,3321,{"idx":2804,"utterance_id":2805,"speaker_name":69,"text":2806,"start_s":2807,"end_s":2808,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},460,"163814","and recreating our institutes, which were stifled by the current governance.",3321.54,3334.26,{"idx":2810,"utterance_id":2811,"speaker_name":69,"text":2812,"start_s":2813,"end_s":2814,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},461,"163815","So we need a policy aimed at the people, for the people.",3334.48,3338.22,{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":69,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},462,"163816","So this is the recommendation of the Green Party, to conclude, bringing this reinforcement of ecological and economic zoning.",3338.24,3347.64,{"idx":2822,"utterance_id":2823,"speaker_name":69,"text":2824,"start_s":2825,"end_s":2826,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},463,"163817","governor.",3347.68,3348.16,{"idx":2828,"utterance_id":2829,"speaker_name":69,"text":2830,"start_s":2831,"end_s":2832,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},464,"163818","In these three minutes, I had to speak very briefly, we have more than 100 recommendations made in this document that I delivered to you, as well as I also bring a letter from ANAMA, which is the National Association of Municipalities and Environment.",3349.32,3363.8,{"idx":2834,"utterance_id":2835,"speaker_name":69,"text":2836,"start_s":2837,"end_s":2838,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},465,"163819","President Marçal Cavalcante, who is from Alagoas, signs this letter asking for this commitment to biodiversity, to academia, to education.",3364.16,3374.98,{"idx":2840,"utterance_id":2841,"speaker_name":69,"text":2842,"start_s":2843,"end_s":2844,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},466,"163820","and especially to local environmental governance.",3375.4,3378.84,{"idx":2846,"utterance_id":2847,"speaker_name":69,"text":2848,"start_s":2849,"end_s":2850,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},467,"163821","I thank you here and leave the PV's networks also at disposal so that they can contribute with us on this platform which is finalized now on the 1st, however which will be executed from January 1st with Fernando Haddad as governor.",3380,3397.08,{"idx":2852,"utterance_id":2853,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":2854,"end_s":2855,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},468,"163822",3397.54,3398.16,{"idx":2857,"utterance_id":2858,"speaker_name":69,"text":2859,"start_s":2860,"end_s":2861,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},469,"163823","Let's now call Ana Paula Bernardes.",3402.54,3405.84,{"idx":2863,"utterance_id":2864,"speaker_name":69,"text":2865,"start_s":2866,"end_s":2867,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},470,"163824","From the PCdoB, Amanda Costa is getting ready.",3406.42,3409.72,{"idx":2869,"utterance_id":2870,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":2871,"end_s":2872,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},471,"163825",3412.9,3414.64,{"idx":2874,"utterance_id":2875,"speaker_name":69,"text":2876,"start_s":2877,"end_s":2878,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},472,"163826","Good evening, Fernando, Marina, Francisca, in the person of whom I greet everyone at the table.",3415.22,3420.86,{"idx":2880,"utterance_id":2881,"speaker_name":69,"text":2882,"start_s":2883,"end_s":2884,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},473,"163827","First of all, I wanted to thank—I felt extremely honored by the Communist Party of Brazil for inviting me to help in this environmental debate.",3422.5,3434.06,{"idx":2886,"utterance_id":2887,"speaker_name":69,"text":2888,"start_s":2889,"end_s":2890,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},474,"163828","Talking about the environment today, I think it has already been... exhaustively said here, is to talk about climate issues, is to talk about emissions reductions.",3435.76,3444.1,{"idx":2892,"utterance_id":2893,"speaker_name":69,"text":2894,"start_s":2895,"end_s":2896,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},475,"163829","And you can't talk about emissions reductions, which is an umbrella term, without talking about the appropriate policies that impact the issue of emissions reductions, which are quite tangible: the issue of water, the issue of soil, the issue of urban occupation.",3445.52,3460.94,{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":69,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":459,"indexable":74},476,"163830","But I want to speak here, Fernando, about my specialty, which is waste, which I have discussed since 1992; I was there when they founded the business commitment to recycling, I discussed the German law in 1991 when it was approved, and after 12 years of the national solid waste policy, we see a rather sad scenario for reverse logistics and the reuse of waste.",3461.4,3495.3,{"idx":2904,"utterance_id":2905,"speaker_name":69,"text":2906,"start_s":2907,"end_s":2908,"word_count":423,"indexable":74},477,"163831","I came here with my little water bottle, we have to discuss the issue of reuse and repurposing, but I would like to draw attention to two points here that were not said, because the others, I think Rodrigo exhausted my speech, but I will bring here two very important points that I see in this discussion.",3495.94,3516.76,{"idx":2910,"utterance_id":2911,"speaker_name":69,"text":2912,"start_s":2913,"end_s":2914,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},478,"163832","One of them is the issue of reverse logistics starting from... the state legislations on reverse logistics.",3517.42,3524.14,{"idx":2916,"utterance_id":2917,"speaker_name":69,"text":2918,"start_s":2919,"end_s":2920,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},479,"163833","Brazil made a top-down regulation in the national solid waste policy that has not proven effective.",3524.16,3531.62,{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":69,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},480,"163834","Because, after all, implementation comes from the bottom up.",3532.22,3536.68,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":69,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},481,"163835","It comes from the municipalities and the State.",3536.7,3538.7,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":69,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},482,"163836","And what we note now is that the efficiency of policies—mainly of reverse logistics, of waste recovery—they are being effective from the moment they are implemented by the states.",3539.36,3553.58,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":69,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},483,"163837","Here in São Paulo there is a regulatory framework for this, which already defines extended producer responsibility, which was replaced in the national solid waste policy by shared responsibility and created a calf with two mothers, and a calf with two mothers.",3554.26,3569.6,{"idx":2946,"utterance_id":2947,"speaker_name":69,"text":2948,"start_s":2949,"end_s":2950,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},484,"163838","dies of hunger.",3569.68,3570.62,{"idx":2952,"utterance_id":2953,"speaker_name":69,"text":2954,"start_s":2955,"end_s":2956,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},485,"163839","And today here in the state of São Paulo we have the condition.",3571.2,3573.74,{"idx":2958,"utterance_id":2959,"speaker_name":69,"text":2960,"start_s":2961,"end_s":2962,"word_count":328,"indexable":74},486,"163840","through the State policy here, for universal logistics, to build extended producer responsibility and to work with the private sector, because there's no way we can talk about emission reduction without bringing the private sector to the table.",3574.18,3591.18,{"idx":2964,"utterance_id":2965,"speaker_name":69,"text":2966,"start_s":2967,"end_s":2968,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},487,"163841","We have to establish a dialogue among civil society, the private sector, the public authorities, and academia.",3591.78,3598.76,{"idx":2970,"utterance_id":2971,"speaker_name":69,"text":2972,"start_s":2973,"end_s":2974,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},488,"163842","The four of them have to sit down at the table and carry out a state re-planning, which here in the State of São Paulo involves the issue of governance.",3599.22,3606.88,{"idx":2976,"utterance_id":2977,"speaker_name":69,"text":2978,"start_s":2979,"end_s":2980,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},489,"163843","Without a shadow of a doubt, I think this is the first issue we will have to address in the transition government, because you will be elected, Fernando, and we will implement this here in the State of São Paulo.",3606.94,3618.08,{"idx":2982,"utterance_id":2983,"speaker_name":69,"text":2984,"start_s":2985,"end_s":2986,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},490,"163844","Lastly, I know, I'm going to finish now, don't rush me, I'm getting choked up, lastly... I want to say here that one thing we need to confront is the issue of green public procurement.",3618.56,3632.48,{"idx":2988,"utterance_id":2989,"speaker_name":69,"text":2990,"start_s":2991,"end_s":2992,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},491,"163845","The State of São Paulo is the largest purchaser in the country — who knows whether it is not one of the largest in the world, since we are talking about the 17th largest economy in the world.",3633.12,3643.96,{"idx":2994,"utterance_id":2995,"speaker_name":69,"text":2996,"start_s":2997,"end_s":2998,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},492,"163846","We need to have a state policy, a green procurement policy, so that the State becomes an inducer.",3644.52,3651.4,{"idx":3000,"utterance_id":3001,"speaker_name":69,"text":3002,"start_s":3003,"end_s":3004,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},493,"163847","of associated public policies.",3651.96,3654.52,{"idx":3006,"utterance_id":3007,"speaker_name":69,"text":3008,"start_s":3009,"end_s":3010,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},494,"163848","If we are going to buy a service or a product, why can't we require a criterion from our supplier regarding compliance with environmental matters?",3654.78,3664.84,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":69,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},495,"163849","So, I know the challenge is great, Fernando, the challenge is very great, but I am sure that you will deliver.",3664.86,3671.88,{"idx":3018,"utterance_id":3019,"speaker_name":69,"text":3020,"start_s":3021,"end_s":3022,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},496,"163850","including with the help of everyone here who joins you in this challenge.",3672.48,3677.16,{"idx":3024,"utterance_id":3025,"speaker_name":69,"text":3026,"start_s":3027,"end_s":3028,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},497,"163851","And I put at your disposal here the PCdoB and all our energy to rebuild this environmental governance in the state of São Paulo.",3677.54,3685.16,{"idx":3030,"utterance_id":3031,"speaker_name":69,"text":367,"start_s":3032,"end_s":3033,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},498,"163852",3690.32,3691.6,{"idx":3035,"utterance_id":3036,"speaker_name":69,"text":3037,"start_s":3038,"end_s":3039,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},499,"163853","I now call Amanda Costa, young UN ambassador and executive director of Perifa Sustentável.",3693.12,3700.24,{"idx":3041,"utterance_id":3042,"speaker_name":69,"text":3043,"start_s":3044,"end_s":3045,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},500,"163854","Prepare the microphone, Marúcia.",3703.32,3705.68,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":69,"text":1745,"start_s":3049,"end_s":3050,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},501,"163855",3708.98,3710.28,{"idx":3052,"utterance_id":3053,"speaker_name":69,"text":3054,"start_s":3055,"end_s":3056,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},502,"163856","Saúl da Mesa, Dário de Marina, Flávio Chinho.",3710.36,3713.72,{"idx":3058,"utterance_id":3059,"speaker_name":69,"text":3060,"start_s":3061,"end_s":3062,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},503,"163857","I am part of the 'negro com direitos' coalition, part of the black movement as well.",3714.52,3721.78,{"idx":3064,"utterance_id":3065,"speaker_name":69,"text":3066,"start_s":3067,"end_s":3068,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},504,"163858","I hold a bachelor's degree in International Relations and am a young leader on the issue of environmental racism and climate change.",3722.18,3728.14,{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":69,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},505,"163859","Together with a very strong group from the periphery, we created the Instituto Perico Ascentável with the goal of mobilizing youth to create a new development agenda.",3728.6,3738.9,{"idx":3076,"utterance_id":3077,"speaker_name":69,"text":3078,"start_s":3079,"end_s":3080,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},506,"163860","from the perspective of race and climate.",3739.48,3741.72,{"idx":3082,"utterance_id":3083,"speaker_name":69,"text":3084,"start_s":3085,"end_s":3086,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},507,"163861","Because we can no longer talk about environmental justice without talking about racial justice.",3742.2,3746.88,{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":69,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},508,"163862","Otherwise the debate becomes white, elitist, technical, and not oriented toward our population.",3747.68,3754.36,{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":69,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},509,"163863","And before bringing some proposals that we, as a collective, prepared for this space, I want to thank Ana Vil for inviting me to take this place and be here together, because for a long time youth were kept away from these places.",3755.22,3767.58,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":69,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},510,"163864","Youth did not occupy decision-making positions, did not take part in spaces of dialogue.",3767.92,3773.34,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":69,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},511,"163865","But we will be the ones most impacted by this capitalist system of white supremacy, which does not connect us, which does not reach the quebrada, the periphery community.",3773.7,3786.24,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":69,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},512,"163866","But I feel that this government will propose some structural changes.",3786.5,3795.02,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":69,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},513,"163867","The main point of my speech that I would like to bring to you is the promotion of climate justice and the confrontation of environmental racism.",3795.06,3803.08,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":69,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},514,"163868","We need to think of an economic, environmental, and social development plan for São Paulo based on an agenda that sustains the fight for climate justice as a structuring axis of the whole endeavor.",3803.58,3816.74,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":69,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},515,"163869","How do we do that?",3817.2,3818.14,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":69,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},516,"163870","First, an environmental education plan: to raise awareness, critically and actively, among youth.",3818.36,3824.52,{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":69,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},517,"163871","through formal and informal climate education regarding environmental preservation, the importance of zero deforestation and the causes and effects of the intensification of global warming, connecting schools with an intersectional lens of sustainability and promoting community development.",3824.92,3843.96,{"idx":3148,"utterance_id":3149,"speaker_name":69,"text":3150,"start_s":3151,"end_s":3152,"word_count":477,"indexable":74},518,"163872","Second, valuing ancestral ways of life and knowledge, supporting the demarcation of indigenous lands and the titling of quilombola lands, recognizing the existence and ancestral non-white ways of life in common with nature, with the aim of structuring the preservation of these knowledges and traditional knowledge from Brazil's diverse regions, which guide the 'bem viver' and another model of the good, beautiful, and just.",3844.6,3874.18,{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":69,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},519,"163873","And third and final, a regional development plan.",3874.72,3877.48,{"idx":3160,"utterance_id":3161,"speaker_name":69,"text":3162,"start_s":3163,"end_s":3164,"word_count":417,"indexable":74},520,"163874","create participatory committees and local forums that promote the decentralization of environmental policy through councils and regional administrations, diagnostics of local realities, community involvement, development of mitigation, adaptation and contingency policies with the aim of engaging citizens actively in the creation and evaluation of bills to confront the climate emergency for their respective territories.",3877.86,3905.96,{"idx":3166,"utterance_id":3167,"speaker_name":69,"text":3168,"start_s":3169,"end_s":3170,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},521,"163875","Climatic, environmental, sanitation.",3907.54,3909.54,{"idx":3172,"utterance_id":3173,"speaker_name":69,"text":3174,"start_s":3175,"end_s":3176,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},522,"163876","Furthermore, they are very far from those who need them most.",3910.04,3912.88,{"idx":3178,"utterance_id":3179,"speaker_name":69,"text":3180,"start_s":3181,"end_s":3182,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},523,"163877","Black, poor, quilombola and indigenous people.",3913.48,3917.48,{"idx":3184,"utterance_id":3185,"speaker_name":69,"text":3186,"start_s":3187,"end_s":3188,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},524,"163878","This debate needs to reach the periphery, quilombos and indigenous communities.",3918.1,3924.06,{"idx":3190,"utterance_id":3191,"speaker_name":69,"text":3192,"start_s":3193,"end_s":3194,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},525,"163879","The more we bring this population closer to the agenda, the more we get these people engaged.",3924.36,3930.9,{"idx":3196,"utterance_id":3197,"speaker_name":69,"text":3198,"start_s":3199,"end_s":3200,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},526,"163880","And we can promote a structural transformation.",3930.92,3934.1,{"idx":3202,"utterance_id":3203,"speaker_name":69,"text":3204,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},527,"163881","And talking about the environment, folks, is talking about human rights.",3934.74,3937.74,{"idx":3208,"utterance_id":3209,"speaker_name":69,"text":3210,"start_s":3211,"end_s":3212,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},528,"163882","It is talking about caring for the land, the water, the planet, but also for the lives that are here, especially those who are most vulnerable.",3938.14,3945.52,{"idx":3214,"utterance_id":3215,"speaker_name":69,"text":3216,"start_s":3217,"end_s":3218,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},529,"163883","I, as a young Christian, pledge my support for your inauguration.",3946.08,3952.86,{"idx":3220,"utterance_id":3221,"speaker_name":69,"text":3222,"start_s":3223,"end_s":3224,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},530,"163884","But I want you to take with me the commitment to young, black and peripheral leaders in this fight against the climate crisis and in confronting environmental racism.",3953.3,3975.78,{"idx":3226,"utterance_id":3227,"speaker_name":69,"text":3228,"start_s":3229,"end_s":3230,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},531,"163885","Can we count on you?",3975.8,3982.98,{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":69,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},532,"163886","But I now call, since Marúcia cannot come, I call Mauri Polac from ONDAS, the National Observatory of Rights to Water and Sanitation.",3983.96,3995.86,{"idx":3238,"utterance_id":3239,"speaker_name":69,"text":3240,"start_s":3241,"end_s":3242,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},533,"163887","And Fernando Meloferro, please get ready.",3997.74,4000.62,{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},534,"163888",4014.08,4015.66,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":69,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},535,"163889","I wanted to greet our future governor Adágio, our ever-minister, my mente, Mônica Silva.",4016.44,4023.8,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":69,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},536,"163890","as the first from all places, after taking on this burden of being here, after Ana Costa's speech, folks, it's overwhelming.",4024.32,4033.88,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":69,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":334,"indexable":74},537,"163891","It gives me great pride to see these young people here, vibrating with all this emotion in favor of environmental issues, in favor of the people who need it most — the black, poor people of the periphery and the rural areas, the most excluded areas of this country, of this State.",4034.74,4054.96,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":69,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},538,"163892","But we will try to speak a little here about ONDAS, the National Observatory of Rights to Water and Sanitation.",4055.9,4061.62,{"idx":3273,"utterance_id":3274,"speaker_name":69,"text":3275,"start_s":3276,"end_s":3277,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},539,"163893","We strongly and emphatically defend the right of every Brazilian man and woman to have access to water and sanitation 24 hours a day, regardless of their race, social condition, or place of residence.",4061.68,4081.28,{"idx":3279,"utterance_id":3280,"speaker_name":69,"text":3281,"start_s":3282,"end_s":3283,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},540,"163894","Several of the speeches here have already argued in defense, in the context of sanitation and treated water for everyone in the State of São Paulo.",4082.42,4094.88,{"idx":3285,"utterance_id":3286,"speaker_name":69,"text":3287,"start_s":3288,"end_s":3289,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},541,"163895","And for those who need it most.",4094.9,4096.16,{"idx":3291,"utterance_id":3292,"speaker_name":69,"text":3293,"start_s":3294,"end_s":3295,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},542,"163896","Emílio asked how many people today do not have access, who have their waste dumped in natura, whether directly into the collection system.",4097.32,4107.22,{"idx":3297,"utterance_id":3298,"speaker_name":69,"text":3299,"start_s":3300,"end_s":3301,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},543,"163897","It's 14 million Paulistas.",4107.56,4110.12,{"idx":3303,"utterance_id":3304,"speaker_name":69,"text":3305,"start_s":3306,"end_s":3307,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},544,"163898","We have almost 2 million Paulistas who do not have access to treated water.",4111.04,4116.26,{"idx":3309,"utterance_id":3310,"speaker_name":69,"text":3311,"start_s":3312,"end_s":3313,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},545,"163899","That is to say, we have wonderful indicators compared to Brazil.",4117.76,4121.54,{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":69,"text":3317,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},546,"163900","But we always ask, for those who don't have treated water, the indicator is worthless.",4121.96,4127.66,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":69,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},547,"163901","It only counts on the day that there is water in your tap.",4128.26,4131,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":69,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},548,"163902","So, Ondas vehemently defends this.",4131.34,4134.1,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":69,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},549,"163903","With the support of Deputy Rodrigo Agostinho, in defense of PEC 0621, which establishes access to water and sanitation as a fundamental right in our Constitution.",4134.2,4149.78,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":69,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},550,"163904","We made 41 proposals submitted here for consideration by the government's program coordination, related to the environment, water governance, and sanitation.",4151.14,4164.78,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":69,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},551,"163905","But specifically I would like to highlight some of them that were not touched on in the previous speeches.",4165.22,4170.2,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":69,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},552,"163906","Many of them are already in this document; there is a very strong convergence in this regard.",4170.22,4176.42,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":69,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},553,"163907","But I would like to emphasize that we also defend, Ananda, combating racism and environmental injustice in every way, to reduce social and economic inequality and the impacts of extreme events on the population",4177.04,4192.8,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":69,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},554,"163908","the most disadvantaged, the most vulnerable population.",4193.66,4196.78,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":69,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":346,"indexable":74},555,"163909","We also support mobilizing and promoting the mobilization of the scientific knowledge and research we have in all universities, whether state or federal, research institutes, and technological centers, so that we can develop solutions and technological applications for the generation and storage of clean energies.",4197.26,4221.06,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":69,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},556,"163910","mass and individual transport and nature-based solutions to confront the climate crisis.",4221.48,4228.72,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":69,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},557,"163911","We also advocate something that was not mentioned here, very important for municipalities, which is to effectively implement compensation mechanisms for municipalities that have environmentally protected areas.",4229.28,4243.98,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":69,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},558,"163912","We have legislation, but the government... so far has not effectively promoted the implementation of these mechanisms with the municipalities.",4244.4,4254.32,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":69,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},559,"163913","Or else, the mechanisms are absolutely not favorable to the municipalities.",4254.48,4260.16,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":69,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},560,"163914","in that sense.",4260.2,4260.8,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":69,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},561,"163915","In water governance, we understand that there is today a very clear dismantling of the system, especially of its main executors, and a lack of dialogue and greater participation, particularly in the basin committees and in the State Council of Water Resources.",4261.68,4280.08,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":69,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},562,"163916","We understand that it is necessary to implement contingency and emergency plans for climate crisis scenarios, both for water scarcity and for excess water in all hydrographic basins.",4280.64,4294.76,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":69,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},563,"163917","Also that we carry out preventive and proactive responses in critical situations of water scarcity or excess, mainly preventing landslides, ensuring that situations like those we recently had in our state and throughout the country no longer occur.",4295.2,4314.5,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":69,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":346,"indexable":74},564,"163918","Moreover, that we practice, as Capo Bianco rightly mentioned here, democratic water governance, with transparency and strengthening the role of the basin committees and other collegiate bodies, and that we actually implement parity representation of civil society and users in these bodies.",4316.32,4335.6,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":69,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},565,"163919","In conclusion, regarding sanitation, we defend guaranteeing the extension of the social tariff benefit to all those registered in the single registry or receiving continuous cash transfer benefits.",4336.72,4351.84,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":69,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},566,"163920","income transfer programs and access for all populations in precarious settlements and rural areas, as was highlighted here.",4352.4,4360,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":69,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},567,"163921","Finally, Sabest is an important instrument of State action in terms of sanitation.",4360.64,4366.74,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":69,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},568,"163922","It operates in 375 municipalities.",4366.76,4369.12,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":69,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},569,"163923","However, another 270 municipalities practically do not have State intervention.",4369.5,4374.22,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":69,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":353,"indexable":74},570,"163924","So we defend that Sabest be strengthened as a public company, and that its dividends — for example, about nearly one billion reais were transferred to its shareholders last year, including the State of São Paulo —",4374.24,4392.82,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":69,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},571,"163925","And we propose that the State, through these dividends, for example of 500 million reais, apply them to promoting sanitation in the areas that most need it, in all municipalities, all 645 municipalities, not just a handful of municipalities.",4393.76,4413.58,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":69,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},572,"163926","Yes, that's it.",4413.62,4415.26,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},573,"163927",4415.4,4416.38,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":69,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},574,"163928","Now Fernando Angelofranco, who is former Secretary of Urban Development of São Paulo under the Andrade government, and Helena Maria da Silva, please get ready.",4426.86,4437.36,{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":69,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},575,"163929","It's a great pleasure to be here speaking to this audience, a great pleasure to speak with Dade and with this whole panel.",4437.4,4445,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":69,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},576,"163930","And I will raise another issue that has not yet been properly addressed, probably by Gabriel, yes, which is the inseparable relationship between the environmental agenda and the urban agenda.",4445.12,4458.36,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":69,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":394,"indexable":74},577,"163931","Therefore we cannot think about a perspective of building a future — and I think that's what moves us most in Amanda's speech — we cannot envision a future without actually thinking about socio-environmental justice issues that also involve the right to the city.",4459.38,4483.14,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":69,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":423,"indexable":74},578,"163932","And although we know that cities are not precisely the main emitter of greenhouse gases here in Brazil — fundamentally the main culprit is land-use change, especially deforestation — cities, city activities, and the model of urbanization and territorial occupation are also highly responsible for other types of emissions.",4484.16,4509.42,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":69,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},579,"163933","The impact of urban waste has already been mentioned here, and the issue of transport has also been raised.",4509.54,4516.86,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":69,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},580,"163934","The construction chain worldwide is responsible for 38% of carbon emissions.",4517.32,4524.12,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":69,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},581,"163935","Producing steel, cement and concrete is highly carbon-emitting.",4524.46,4530.68,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":69,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},582,"163936","So we really have to think about this urban dimension.",4530.88,4534.16,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":69,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},583,"163937","But we also have to think about this urban dimension for another reason.",4534.56,4538.36,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":69,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},584,"163938","Because 85% of our population lives in cities.",4538.68,4540.7,{"idx":3548,"utterance_id":3549,"speaker_name":69,"text":3550,"start_s":3551,"end_s":3552,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},585,"163939","And it is precisely in cities where the main impacts on our daily lives occur, the main impacts on the population, and where we are at risk because of the severity of the climate emergency.",4542.28,4560.52,{"idx":3554,"utterance_id":3555,"speaker_name":69,"text":3556,"start_s":3557,"end_s":3558,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},586,"163940","So, dissociating the environmental and urban agendas is not an option.",4560.94,4568.98,{"idx":3560,"utterance_id":3561,"speaker_name":69,"text":3562,"start_s":3563,"end_s":3564,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},587,"163941","We know that urbanization impacts the environment for obvious reasons, but also that the processes of urbanization and life in cities are impacted by environmental and climatic phenomena.",4569.64,4584.68,{"idx":3566,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":69,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},588,"163942","Here, in the case of the state of São Paulo, almost 20%... of the municipalities, in recent years, have suffered very serious natural disasters.",4585.16,4596.52,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":69,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},589,"163943","Fundamentally, landslides and floods.",4596.94,4599.24,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":69,"text":2101,"start_s":3580,"end_s":3581,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},590,"163944",4599.96,4600.28,{"idx":3583,"utterance_id":3584,"speaker_name":69,"text":3585,"start_s":3586,"end_s":3587,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},591,"163945","Because, for a large part of the State's population, we live on slope areas, Serra do Mar, the compartments of the Mantiqueira, of the Cantareira,",4600.52,4611.84,{"idx":3589,"utterance_id":3590,"speaker_name":69,"text":3591,"start_s":3592,"end_s":3593,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},592,"163946","etc.,",4612,4612.08,{"idx":3595,"utterance_id":3596,"speaker_name":69,"text":3597,"start_s":3598,"end_s":3599,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},593,"163947","where a large part of the State's population is, and it is where these landslide risks occur due to rain-related issues,",4612.4,4619.48,{"idx":3601,"utterance_id":3602,"speaker_name":69,"text":3591,"start_s":3603,"end_s":3604,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},594,"163948",4619.54,4619.7,{"idx":3606,"utterance_id":3607,"speaker_name":69,"text":3608,"start_s":3609,"end_s":3610,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},595,"163949","On the other hand, it is also important to know that one third of the municipalities and areas of São Paulo suffer from another dilemma: they are subjected to water stress and face a high risk of drought impact.",4622.52,4638.08,{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":69,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},596,"163950","And then we are talking about another territorialization, another compartment, which is the central and western sector of the state, where, above all, much of the state's agribusiness economic dynamics are located.",4638.48,4650.82,{"idx":3618,"utterance_id":3619,"speaker_name":69,"text":3620,"start_s":3621,"end_s":3622,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},597,"163951","So we are talking about lives and we are also talking about the economy that will be increasingly impacted.",4650.88,4658.2,{"idx":3624,"utterance_id":3625,"speaker_name":69,"text":3626,"start_s":3627,"end_s":3628,"word_count":321,"indexable":74},598,"163952","But what is most dramatic is that practically half of the municipalities — of the 645 municipalities of the state of São Paulo — do not even have a planning instrument, environmental management, or risk management, because they are absolutely unequipped for these tasks, among others.",4658.7,4679.56,{"idx":3630,"utterance_id":3631,"speaker_name":69,"text":3632,"start_s":3633,"end_s":3634,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},599,"163953","Therefore, one of the main agendas is precisely the reconstruction of State capacities and the capacity of the state government to actually confront local governments, especially those governments that do not have these capacities in place.",4679.98,4696.16,{"idx":3636,"utterance_id":3637,"speaker_name":69,"text":3638,"start_s":3639,"end_s":3640,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},600,"163954","We know that the government program being prepared has a very strong axis in structuring an entire hypothesis of support.",4696.58,4707.04,{"idx":3642,"utterance_id":3643,"speaker_name":69,"text":3644,"start_s":3645,"end_s":3646,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},601,"163955","the training for strengthening the State and, above all, it highlights the universities' priority, leading role in this capacity to offer technical assistance to the municipalities.",4708.58,4722.46,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":69,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},602,"163956","This, therefore, is very important as an agenda.",4722.64,4724.84,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":69,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},603,"163957","And added to this agenda are three issues to conclude that are equally important, namely the promotion of decarbonization of the transport system.",4725.24,4735.96,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":69,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":417,"indexable":74},604,"163958","a change in the energy matrix, but also full priority to rails that have the capacity to manage freight and also the metropolitan and intermetropolitan flows of the State of São Paulo, to promote the decarbonization of the civil production chain, which will also have a very large impact, in addition to the issues already mentioned of the ecological transition in the management of solid waste.",4736.8,4760.78,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":69,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},605,"163959","and, finally, also think about urban space.",4760.8,4764.8,{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":69,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},606,"163960","Urban space is neither the urban gray we know, nor the space, the territory structured by agribusiness.",4765.12,4773.3,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":69,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},607,"163961","It is a zone of alvejão, a zone of indefinition, of transition, that has not been thought through.",4773.66,4779.62,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":69,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},608,"163962","and it is where we produce environmental services, it is where we produce food for domestic consumption, which is not protein for export.",4779.74,4788.34,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":69,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":388,"indexable":74},609,"163963","And in the Andrade government, in your government, a very important process began to reconstruct the idea of the rural zone and the instruments of the urban period that can be replicated by the State and that will bring, as it brought to the municipality of São Paulo, a very large impact on this environmental and urban agenda, which is inseparable.",4788.88,4812.38,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":3698,"end_s":3699,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},610,"163964",4812.58,4818.94,{"idx":3701,"utterance_id":3702,"speaker_name":69,"text":3703,"start_s":3704,"end_s":3705,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},611,"163965","Helena Maria da Silva, representing Cintaema, one of the unions of water, sewage and environment workers.",4820.36,4827.56,{"idx":3707,"utterance_id":3708,"speaker_name":69,"text":3709,"start_s":3710,"end_s":3711,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},612,"163966","And Wilson Santos Pereira is preparing.",4828.32,4830.56,{"idx":3713,"utterance_id":3714,"speaker_name":69,"text":3715,"start_s":3716,"end_s":3717,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},613,"163967","Good evening everyone.",4835.5,4837.82,{"idx":3719,"utterance_id":3720,"speaker_name":69,"text":3721,"start_s":3722,"end_s":3723,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},614,"163968","On behalf of Francisca, I want to greet the panel.",4837.88,4841.5,{"idx":3725,"utterance_id":3726,"speaker_name":69,"text":3727,"start_s":3728,"end_s":3729,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},615,"163969","And on behalf of Marina, I will greet everyone in the audience.",4841.52,4845,{"idx":3731,"utterance_id":3732,"speaker_name":69,"text":3733,"start_s":3734,"end_s":3735,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},616,"163970","And to say here, comrades, that we have had a great struggle for several years against a privatization, the specter of privatization.",4845.84,4856.54,{"idx":3737,"utterance_id":3738,"speaker_name":69,"text":3739,"start_s":3740,"end_s":3741,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},617,"163971","And I want to tell you that the workers can't take this situation any longer that we have been facing at the largest sanitation company in Latin America, the third sanitation company in the world, with an immense capacity for investment.",4857.06,4872.9,{"idx":3743,"utterance_id":3744,"speaker_name":69,"text":3745,"start_s":3746,"end_s":3747,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},618,"163972","But we cannot reflect that in terms of the workers' perspective.",4873.4,4877.84,{"idx":3749,"utterance_id":3750,"speaker_name":69,"text":3751,"start_s":3752,"end_s":3753,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},619,"163973","Unfortunately, we have been losing jobs, the company has been outsourced, precarized by a series of situations in order to generate profit for shareholders.",4877.88,4891.46,{"idx":3755,"utterance_id":3756,"speaker_name":69,"text":3757,"start_s":3758,"end_s":3759,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},620,"163974","And what we perceive is that, in the face of a privatization threat, the workers will certainly be the first to suffer.",4891.88,4899.84,{"idx":3761,"utterance_id":3762,"speaker_name":69,"text":3763,"start_s":3764,"end_s":3765,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},621,"163975","And the population above all.",4899.88,4902.08,{"idx":3767,"utterance_id":3768,"speaker_name":69,"text":3769,"start_s":3770,"end_s":3771,"word_count":328,"indexable":74},622,"163976","That is why Sintaema has been touring the municipalities, talking to the city halls, talking to the councilors and explaining this new regulatory framework, whereby you can hand over an asset that is a monopoly to half a dozen financial capital investors to make money to the detriment of",4902.12,4926.04,{"idx":3773,"utterance_id":3774,"speaker_name":69,"text":3775,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},623,"163977","the deterioration of the service and the increase in tariffs, which is what we have seen around the world.",4926.56,4933.7,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":69,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},624,"163978","What have privatizations brought?",4934.24,4936.44,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3785,"speaker_name":69,"text":3786,"start_s":3787,"end_s":3788,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},"163979","Increased tariffs and precarization, mainly affecting the poorest, the population that today... already cannot afford to buy a kilo of meat, cannot afford to buy a decent staple mix, does not have a job.",4936.68,4951.76,{"idx":3790,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":69,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},626,"163980","and yet even so they want to take away the water and water is life.",4952.22,4956.3,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":69,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},627,"163981","When we put ourselves here to discuss the environment, we are discussing our future with them, because without the environment we will not have a future, we will not have tomorrow.",4957.2,4969.56,{"idx":3802,"utterance_id":3803,"speaker_name":69,"text":3804,"start_s":3805,"end_s":3806,"word_count":377,"indexable":74},628,"163982","When you hear a report saying that in a few years there will be more plastic in the sea than fish, I think we have to sit down and really reflect on what we are doing to this planet, what we are doing to our environmental system.",4970.08,4987.5,{"idx":3808,"utterance_id":3809,"speaker_name":69,"text":3810,"start_s":3811,"end_s":3812,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},629,"163983","And the environmental workers, here represented by Sintaema such as Sabesp, CETESB, Fundação Florestal, have suffered a lot over all these years.",4987.52,4998.84,{"idx":3814,"utterance_id":3815,"speaker_name":69,"text":3816,"start_s":3817,"end_s":3818,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},630,"163984","because of a determined dismantling in relation to all the agencies and the environmental structure here of the state government.",4999.24,5008.26,{"idx":3820,"utterance_id":3821,"speaker_name":69,"text":3822,"start_s":3823,"end_s":3824,"word_count":328,"indexable":74},631,"163985","And we hope, Fernando, that truly your government — which we believe you will win in the elections — can reverse this situation, especially from the workers' point of view, that we need to give value to the workers who are here today.",5008.66,5026.42,{"idx":3826,"utterance_id":3827,"speaker_name":69,"text":3828,"start_s":3829,"end_s":3830,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},632,"163986","trying to resist this dismantling of the entire environmental and sanitation system of the State of São Paulo.",5026.8,5035.02,{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":69,"text":367,"start_s":3834,"end_s":3835,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},633,"163987",5035.32,5036.32,{"idx":3837,"utterance_id":3838,"speaker_name":69,"text":3839,"start_s":3840,"end_s":3841,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},634,"163988","That's it.",5036.56,5040.94,{"idx":3843,"utterance_id":3844,"speaker_name":69,"text":3845,"start_s":3846,"end_s":3847,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},635,"163989","So now, Wilson Santos Pereira, who is president of Cooper Vila Lata, which is the São Paulo network of waste pickers, and the next is Adalto.",5041.4,5050.96,{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":69,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},636,"163990","Well, folks, good evening to you all.",5052.14,5054.18,{"idx":3855,"utterance_id":3856,"speaker_name":69,"text":3857,"start_s":3858,"end_s":3859,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},637,"163991","I would like to greet everyone here, Marina, greet all of you.",5054.9,5061.08,{"idx":3861,"utterance_id":3862,"speaker_name":69,"text":3863,"start_s":3864,"end_s":3865,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},638,"163992","And to salute the cooperative people who are present here.",5061.6,5066.38,{"idx":3867,"utterance_id":3868,"speaker_name":69,"text":3869,"start_s":3870,"end_s":3871,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},639,"163993","First of all, to thank navio and Fran for us being here today and being able to quickly present some proposals.",5068.18,5077.9,{"idx":3873,"utterance_id":3874,"speaker_name":69,"text":3875,"start_s":3876,"end_s":3877,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},640,"163994","Navio said at the beginning of the national construction policy that Marina, as minister, had an important role; it was there that the entire discussion of the national policy began.",5079.16,5090.26,{"idx":3879,"utterance_id":3880,"speaker_name":69,"text":3881,"start_s":3882,"end_s":3883,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},641,"163995","The PCdoB period.",5091.12,5092.02,{"idx":3885,"utterance_id":3886,"speaker_name":69,"text":3887,"start_s":3888,"end_s":3889,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},642,"163996","The national policy spent 20 years in Congress, in the Chamber of Deputies.",5092.58,5097.04,{"idx":3891,"utterance_id":3892,"speaker_name":69,"text":3893,"start_s":3894,"end_s":3895,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},643,"163997","Lula's government had to approve it, you know that very well.",5097.46,5100.74,{"idx":3897,"utterance_id":3898,"speaker_name":69,"text":3899,"start_s":3900,"end_s":3901,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},644,"163998","And the national policy was what leveraged, let's say, the possibility, the prospects of generating millions and millions of jobs today in Brazil.",5100.84,5112.38,{"idx":3903,"utterance_id":3904,"speaker_name":69,"text":3905,"start_s":3906,"end_s":3907,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},645,"163999","In São Paulo, we have hundreds and hundreds of cooperatives and you as mayor... You remembered very well that the two mega-centers you inaugurated have a very great responsibility in the final destination of the city's waste.",5113.06,5127.14,{"idx":3909,"utterance_id":3910,"speaker_name":69,"text":3911,"start_s":3912,"end_s":3913,"word_count":131,"indexable":74},646,"164000","What we are putting forward here is that this experience you had — residual experiences in our city that you had — can be taken advantage of a great deal at the State of São Paulo level.",5127.48,5141.64,{"idx":3915,"utterance_id":3916,"speaker_name":69,"text":3917,"start_s":3918,"end_s":3919,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},647,"164001","Perhaps one of these mega-centers, as a pilot, can go to a certain region.",5141.98,5146.76,{"idx":3921,"utterance_id":3922,"speaker_name":69,"text":3923,"start_s":3924,"end_s":3925,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},648,"164002","If we take... the Sorocaba Region, you will have municipalities with 10,000 inhabitants, 2,000 inhabitants, 30, 40 municipalities there.",5147.2,5154,{"idx":3927,"utterance_id":3928,"speaker_name":69,"text":3929,"start_s":3930,"end_s":3931,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},649,"164003","With a mega-center like that, you may, who knows, be solving the problem.",5154.06,5159.56,{"idx":3933,"utterance_id":3934,"speaker_name":69,"text":3935,"start_s":3936,"end_s":3937,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},650,"164004","Of course we are talking about selective collection with job and income generation.",5159.96,5163.38,{"idx":3939,"utterance_id":3940,"speaker_name":69,"text":3941,"start_s":3942,"end_s":3943,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},651,"164005","But we have to talk about reduction, reuse.",5163.78,5166.42,{"idx":3945,"utterance_id":3946,"speaker_name":69,"text":3947,"start_s":3948,"end_s":3949,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},652,"164006","Without these three R's, we don't get anywhere.",5167.14,5169.22,{"idx":3951,"utterance_id":3952,"speaker_name":69,"text":3953,"start_s":3954,"end_s":3955,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},653,"164007","And the important thing of all, folks, is about the catadores, the independent waste pickers.",5169.46,5174.12,{"idx":3957,"utterance_id":3958,"speaker_name":69,"text":3959,"start_s":3960,"end_s":3961,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},654,"164008","Who are the 'catadores de abuso'?",5174.5,5175.88,{"idx":3963,"utterance_id":3964,"speaker_name":69,"text":3965,"start_s":3966,"end_s":3967,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},655,"164009","Those you see pulling carts in the street.",5176.32,5179.16,{"idx":3969,"utterance_id":3970,"speaker_name":69,"text":3971,"start_s":3972,"end_s":3973,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},656,"164010","These people don't pay.",5179.22,5180.62,{"idx":3975,"utterance_id":3976,"speaker_name":69,"text":3977,"start_s":3978,"end_s":3979,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},657,"164011","They have no rights to any INSS benefits.",5180.64,5182.82,{"idx":3981,"utterance_id":3982,"speaker_name":69,"text":3983,"start_s":3984,"end_s":3985,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},658,"164012","They pull the cart.",5182.96,5183.88,{"idx":3987,"utterance_id":3988,"speaker_name":69,"text":3989,"start_s":3990,"end_s":3991,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},659,"164013","Then you have the waste pickers organized in cooperatives and associations.",5184.24,5189.06,{"idx":3993,"utterance_id":3994,"speaker_name":69,"text":3995,"start_s":3996,"end_s":3997,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},660,"164014","Those, being more organized, pay their INSS, their retirement fund.",5189.62,5194.36,{"idx":3999,"utterance_id":4000,"speaker_name":69,"text":4001,"start_s":4002,"end_s":4003,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},661,"164015","We really need to bring these people who are not organized today into cooperatives, how?",5194.54,5201.38,{"idx":4005,"utterance_id":4006,"speaker_name":69,"text":4007,"start_s":4008,"end_s":4009,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},662,"164016","Organize these people.",5201.82,5203.08,{"idx":4011,"utterance_id":4012,"speaker_name":69,"text":4013,"start_s":4014,"end_s":4015,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},663,"164017","And I believe, I am sure that you, as a mayor who did an excellent administration, will handle this easily.",5203.6,5211.3,{"idx":4017,"utterance_id":4018,"speaker_name":69,"text":4019,"start_s":4020,"end_s":4021,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},664,"164018","Especially with the help of Nabio and the people here on the panel.",5211.7,5215.4,{"idx":4023,"utterance_id":4024,"speaker_name":69,"text":4025,"start_s":4026,"end_s":4027,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},665,"164019","The other thing I wanted to say is this.",5216.3,5218.1,{"idx":4029,"utterance_id":4030,"speaker_name":69,"text":4031,"start_s":4032,"end_s":4033,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},666,"164020","Post-coup, Temer and the damned one who is now in the presidency, these two presidents did not lift a finger to help the cooperatives.",5221.82,5234.6,{"idx":4035,"utterance_id":4036,"speaker_name":69,"text":4037,"start_s":4038,"end_s":4039,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},667,"164021","The only support that cooperatives received was under Lula's administration and Dilma's administration.",5235.5,5241.38,{"idx":4041,"utterance_id":4042,"speaker_name":69,"text":4043,"start_s":4044,"end_s":4045,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},668,"164022","Those treated the waste pickers as workers, with dignity.",5241.96,5245.92,{"idx":4047,"utterance_id":4048,"speaker_name":69,"text":4049,"start_s":4050,"end_s":4051,"word_count":340,"indexable":74},669,"164023","So we need, of course, all of us are working for Bolsonaro never again, but here in São Paulo, with Haddad, we can, perhaps, build a true national waste policy, which for now is on a national plan, but here in Brazil... we can help.",5246.4,5265.98,{"idx":4053,"utterance_id":4054,"speaker_name":69,"text":4055,"start_s":4056,"end_s":4057,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},670,"164024","So that's it.",5266.1,5266.9,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4059,"speaker_name":69,"text":367,"start_s":4060,"end_s":4061,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"164025",5267.34,5267.92,{"idx":4063,"utterance_id":4064,"speaker_name":69,"text":4065,"start_s":4066,"end_s":4067,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},672,"164026","Thank you, Edson.",5268.38,5283.38,{"idx":4069,"utterance_id":4070,"speaker_name":69,"text":4071,"start_s":4072,"end_s":4073,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},673,"164027","Now calling Adalton Durigan, who is a member of the Nosso Parque network and of the Vila Leopoldina Social Forum.",5284.9,5292.28,{"idx":4075,"utterance_id":4076,"speaker_name":69,"text":4077,"start_s":4078,"end_s":4079,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},674,"164028","And remembering that the Letter in Defense of Democracy already received 100,000 signatures in one day.",5294.54,5300.92,{"idx":4081,"utterance_id":4082,"speaker_name":69,"text":4083,"start_s":4084,"end_s":4085,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},675,"164029","Well, good evening everyone.",5302.66,5308.52,{"idx":4087,"utterance_id":4088,"speaker_name":69,"text":4089,"start_s":4090,"end_s":4091,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},676,"164030","Good evening, Emílio, Azad, Marina.",5308.58,5310.6,{"idx":4093,"utterance_id":4094,"speaker_name":69,"text":4095,"start_s":4096,"end_s":4097,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},677,"164031","I came to speak here about the issue of park concessions.",5312.22,5315.52,{"idx":4099,"utterance_id":4100,"speaker_name":69,"text":4101,"start_s":4102,"end_s":4103,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},678,"164032","This network, Nosso Parque, was created in struggle.",5316.3,5318.8,{"idx":4105,"utterance_id":4106,"speaker_name":69,"text":4107,"start_s":4108,"end_s":4109,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},679,"164033","We confronted the Dória administration during several demonstrations at Parque da Água Branca, at Futebol Clube, at Campo dos Esquerdas, the concessions law.",5319.64,5331.88,{"idx":4111,"utterance_id":4112,"speaker_name":69,"text":4113,"start_s":4114,"end_s":4115,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},680,"164034","And here I make a parenthesis.",5332.28,5334.32,{"idx":4117,"utterance_id":4118,"speaker_name":69,"text":4119,"start_s":4120,"end_s":4121,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},681,"164035","No one has mentioned it here yet.",5334.34,5335.36,{"idx":4123,"utterance_id":4124,"speaker_name":69,"text":4125,"start_s":4126,"end_s":4127,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},682,"164036","It is fundamental that we elect deputies committed to the cause.",5335.58,5339.58,{"idx":4129,"utterance_id":4130,"speaker_name":69,"text":4131,"start_s":4132,"end_s":4133,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},683,"164037","Federal, state, imperador.",5340.04,5342.4,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4135,"speaker_name":69,"text":4136,"start_s":4137,"end_s":4138,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},"164038","Neither the Legislative nor the Executive Power can do much, we know that.",5343.32,5347.58,{"idx":4140,"utterance_id":4141,"speaker_name":69,"text":4142,"start_s":4143,"end_s":4144,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},685,"164039","Why do I highlight this?",5349.06,5350.18,{"idx":4146,"utterance_id":4147,"speaker_name":69,"text":4148,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},686,"164040","The law that was passed — more than one law, in 2016 and 2020 — were approved with the support of Mr. Dória and the previous administration, which led to the concession of the parks.",5350.26,5363.1,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":69,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},687,"164041","which basically serves a minority, the entrepreneurs who take over and, following what was said earlier, excludes parts of the population.",5363.54,5373.02,{"idx":4158,"utterance_id":4159,"speaker_name":69,"text":4160,"start_s":4161,"end_s":4162,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},688,"164042","Look at what has evolved regarding the complaints, today there is even a new one, complaints from Oito Florestal, Cantareira, Alba Prata.",5373.7,5382.86,{"idx":4164,"utterance_id":4165,"speaker_name":69,"text":4166,"start_s":4167,"end_s":4168,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},689,"164043","It hasn't been submitted yet, so it didn't go 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excluded.",5396.66,5401.22,{"idx":4194,"utterance_id":4195,"speaker_name":69,"text":2101,"start_s":4196,"end_s":4197,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},694,"164048",5401.52,5401.84,{"idx":4199,"utterance_id":4200,"speaker_name":69,"text":4201,"start_s":4202,"end_s":4203,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},695,"164049","Our slogan is against these concessions, because their objective is to turn the parks into shopping centers.",5402.36,5410.78,{"idx":4205,"utterance_id":4206,"speaker_name":69,"text":4207,"start_s":4208,"end_s":4209,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},696,"164050","Why shopping centers?",5411.44,5412.66,{"idx":4211,"utterance_id":4212,"speaker_name":69,"text":4213,"start_s":4214,"end_s":4215,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},697,"164051","Because everything becomes more expensive.",5412.94,5414.56,{"idx":4217,"utterance_id":4218,"speaker_name":69,"text":4219,"start_s":4220,"end_s":4221,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},698,"164052","It excludes the poorest 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São Paulo, we are against the handover and the continuation of this concessions process, because in truth it has only excluded the population.",5443.14,5460.38,{"idx":4301,"utterance_id":4302,"speaker_name":69,"text":4303,"start_s":4304,"end_s":4305,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},712,"164066","And there are several complaints to that effect.",5461.18,5463.46,{"idx":4307,"utterance_id":4308,"speaker_name":69,"text":4309,"start_s":4310,"end_s":4311,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},713,"164067","And with an aspect that was already mentioned here by Fábio: it's a 30-year concession — that's deceptive talk.",5464.8,5471.52,{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":69,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},714,"164068","Because, in fact, 30 years renewable for another 30 is privatization.",5471.88,5475.82,{"idx":4319,"utterance_id":4320,"speaker_name":69,"text":4321,"start_s":4322,"end_s":4323,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},715,"164069","I, personally, stand in solidarity with the people of this BESP.",5476.68,5479.58,{"idx":4325,"utterance_id":4326,"speaker_name":69,"text":4327,"start_s":4328,"end_s":4329,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},716,"164070","Because the main move made to privatize is to abandon.",5480.02,5484.64,{"idx":4331,"utterance_id":4332,"speaker_name":69,"text":4333,"start_s":4334,"end_s":4335,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},717,"164071","Not all these parks were abandoned.",5484.94,5486.64,{"idx":4337,"utterance_id":4338,"speaker_name":69,"text":4339,"start_s":4340,"end_s":4341,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},718,"164072","Abra Branca, for example, the Dória administration didn't even put a can of paint there.",5486.66,5490.72,{"idx":4343,"utterance_id":4344,"speaker_name":69,"text":4345,"start_s":4346,"end_s":4347,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},719,"164073","So, that's the main 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It does not represent only, in the metaphorical sense, an economic figure.",6023.46,6032.1,{"idx":4684,"utterance_id":4685,"speaker_name":69,"text":4686,"start_s":4687,"end_s":4688,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},776,"164130","Here there is social, environmental, cultural, ethical quality and, above all, a commitment to the agenda of environmental protection and sustainable development.",6032.9,6046.84,{"idx":4690,"utterance_id":4691,"speaker_name":69,"text":4692,"start_s":4693,"end_s":4694,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},777,"164131","For a long time, we environmentalists — Fernando and I — asked the developmentists to do something for the environment.",6047.38,6060.44,{"idx":4696,"utterance_id":4697,"speaker_name":69,"text":4698,"start_s":4699,"end_s":4700,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},778,"164132","Who doesn't remember — those here who've already gone through the transition area — the very serious problem in Cubatão.",6061.24,6071.38,{"idx":4702,"utterance_id":4703,"speaker_name":69,"text":4704,"start_s":4705,"end_s":4706,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},779,"164133","We carried out large mobilizations.",6072.04,6074.04,{"idx":4708,"utterance_id":4709,"speaker_name":69,"text":4710,"start_s":4711,"end_s":4712,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},780,"164134","And what did we want?",6074.36,6075.18,{"idx":4714,"utterance_id":4715,"speaker_name":69,"text":4716,"start_s":4717,"end_s":4718,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},781,"164135","That businesspeople would do something for the environment.",6075.64,6079.74,{"idx":4720,"utterance_id":4721,"speaker_name":69,"text":4722,"start_s":4723,"end_s":4724,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},782,"164136","And for a long time that ruralists would do something for the environment.",6080.36,6085.16,{"idx":4726,"utterance_id":4727,"speaker_name":69,"text":4728,"start_s":4729,"end_s":4730,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},783,"164137","that those in government would do something for the environment.",6085.68,6092.28,{"idx":4732,"utterance_id":4733,"speaker_name":69,"text":4734,"start_s":4735,"end_s":4736,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},784,"164138","And Brazilian society got organized.",6092.32,6095.32,{"idx":4738,"utterance_id":4739,"speaker_name":69,"text":4740,"start_s":4741,"end_s":4742,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},785,"164139","And now I perceive a very positive impression.",6095.68,6098.64,{"idx":4744,"utterance_id":4745,"speaker_name":69,"text":4746,"start_s":4747,"end_s":4748,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},786,"164140","I see that around the world, businesspeople and governments are asking us to help do something for development.",6099.34,6110.26,{"idx":4750,"utterance_id":4751,"speaker_name":69,"text":4752,"start_s":4753,"end_s":4754,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},787,"164141","Otherwise there will be no development.",6110.62,6113.8,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4756,"speaker_name":69,"text":4757,"start_s":4758,"end_s":4759,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},"164142","The time has come for these competencies to help with how to do sustainable agriculture.",6114.54,6121.54,{"idx":4761,"utterance_id":4762,"speaker_name":69,"text":4763,"start_s":4764,"end_s":4765,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},789,"164143","A low-carbon agriculture, free of pesticides, which is a healthy way to ensure the population's food security.",6122.02,6133.04,{"idx":4767,"utterance_id":4768,"speaker_name":69,"text":4769,"start_s":4770,"end_s":4771,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},790,"164144","This is another phase of investment.",6133.66,6135.88,{"idx":4773,"utterance_id":4774,"speaker_name":69,"text":4775,"start_s":4776,"end_s":4777,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},791,"164145","We are saying that there are alternatives to address climate change across all sectors.",6136.36,6142.54,{"idx":4779,"utterance_id":4780,"speaker_name":69,"text":4781,"start_s":4782,"end_s":4783,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},792,"164146","In Brazil, the biggest source of emissions is, in fact, deforestation.",6143.16,6148,{"idx":4785,"utterance_id":4786,"speaker_name":69,"text":4787,"start_s":4788,"end_s":4789,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},793,"164147","And we already know how to reach zero deforestation.",6148.28,6151.2,{"idx":4791,"utterance_id":4792,"speaker_name":69,"text":4793,"start_s":4794,"end_s":4795,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},794,"164148","For a state like São Paulo, we have industry and the transport sector, which are sources of emissions.",6151.86,6158.04,{"idx":4797,"utterance_id":4798,"speaker_name":69,"text":4799,"start_s":4800,"end_s":4801,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},795,"164149","But fortunately we already have sufficient technology to make the transition, to also reduce São Paulo's emissions.",6158.48,6167.38,{"idx":4803,"utterance_id":4804,"speaker_name":69,"text":4805,"start_s":4806,"end_s":4807,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},796,"164150","And the important thing is what Capô and several comrades said here.",6167.84,6171,{"idx":4809,"utterance_id":4810,"speaker_name":69,"text":4811,"start_s":4812,"end_s":4813,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},797,"164151","Generally, when we talk about environment and sustainability, those who resist change say that we are against jobs, that we are against progress, that we are backward.",6171.6,6186.12,{"idx":4815,"utterance_id":4816,"speaker_name":69,"text":4817,"start_s":4818,"end_s":4819,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},798,"164152","It is the backward ones who are destroying the planet, warming the planet, destroying the world's biodiversity.",6186.76,6193.24,{"idx":4821,"utterance_id":4822,"speaker_name":69,"text":4823,"start_s":4824,"end_s":4825,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},799,"164153","Progress is creating a new cycle of prosperity.",6195.88,6200.22,{"idx":4827,"utterance_id":4828,"speaker_name":69,"text":4829,"start_s":4830,"end_s":4831,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},800,"164154","A new cycle of prosperity is when you say, \"I will carry out the energy transition here in São Paulo.\"",6201.28,6208.86,{"idx":4833,"utterance_id":4834,"speaker_name":69,"text":4835,"start_s":4836,"end_s":4837,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},801,"164155","How many rooftops can generate solar energy here in São Paulo?",6209.34,6213.56,{"idx":4839,"utterance_id":4840,"speaker_name":69,"text":4841,"start_s":4842,"end_s":4843,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},802,"164156","How many?",6214,6214.94,{"idx":4845,"utterance_id":4846,"speaker_name":69,"text":4847,"start_s":4848,"end_s":4849,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},803,"164157","Do Itaipu and Belo Monte mean solar energy here in São Paulo?",6216.1,6221.48,{"idx":4851,"utterance_id":4852,"speaker_name":69,"text":4853,"start_s":4854,"end_s":4855,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},804,"164158","What does that mean?",6222.06,6223.18,{"idx":4857,"utterance_id":4858,"speaker_name":69,"text":4859,"start_s":4860,"end_s":4861,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},805,"164159","Creating jobs.",6223.7,6224.62,{"idx":4863,"utterance_id":4864,"speaker_name":69,"text":4865,"start_s":4866,"end_s":4867,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},806,"164160","This means, Amanda, that many young people will be learning a new knowledge base in technical courses.",6225.34,6233.72,{"idx":4869,"utterance_id":4870,"speaker_name":69,"text":4871,"start_s":4872,"end_s":4873,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},807,"164161","We will have new products to offer this generation, whether solar, wind, or biomass.",6234.08,6243.4,{"idx":4875,"utterance_id":4876,"speaker_name":69,"text":4877,"start_s":4878,"end_s":4879,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},808,"164162","It's a new cycle of prosperity.",6243.8,6245.76,{"idx":4881,"utterance_id":4882,"speaker_name":69,"text":4883,"start_s":4884,"end_s":4885,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},809,"164163","When we say we need to protect our water sources, you see people opposing... the urban sector, the real estate industry, in short, the construction sector advancing.",6246.18,6260.24,{"idx":4887,"utterance_id":4888,"speaker_name":69,"text":4889,"start_s":4890,"end_s":4891,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},810,"164164","No, quite the opposite.",6260.9,6262.64,{"idx":4893,"utterance_id":4894,"speaker_name":69,"text":4895,"start_s":4896,"end_s":4897,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},811,"164165","Municipalities that have water sources are true water industries.",6263.04,6268.14,{"idx":4899,"utterance_id":4900,"speaker_name":69,"text":4901,"start_s":4902,"end_s":4903,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},812,"164166","We have to preserve our water industries.",6268.7,6271.28,{"idx":4905,"utterance_id":4906,"speaker_name":69,"text":4907,"start_s":4908,"end_s":4909,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},813,"164167","And investment is needed, because this state is already facing a serious water scarcity problem.",6271.7,6276.78,{"idx":4911,"utterance_id":4912,"speaker_name":69,"text":4913,"start_s":4914,"end_s":4915,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},814,"164168","Where there are water sources, municipalities can receive payments for environmental services.",6277.54,6282.76,{"idx":4917,"utterance_id":4918,"speaker_name":69,"text":4919,"start_s":4920,"end_s":4921,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},815,"164169","We have to look at this agenda, but it can also generate jobs.",6283.1,6287.08,{"idx":4923,"utterance_id":4924,"speaker_name":69,"text":4925,"start_s":4926,"end_s":4927,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},816,"164170","Look, shall we restore the headwaters, shall we restore the areas that were deforested?",6287.16,6293.64,{"idx":4929,"utterance_id":4930,"speaker_name":69,"text":4931,"start_s":4932,"end_s":4933,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},817,"164171","That's nursery work; it's people working in biology, geneticists, young people, workers.",6293.92,6301.12,{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":69,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},818,"164172","Do you create a new base for economic and social development?",6301.38,6305.6,{"idx":4941,"utterance_id":4942,"speaker_name":69,"text":4943,"start_s":4944,"end_s":4945,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},819,"164173","And I'm referring to the comrades who spoke about recycling.",6306.02,6309.88,{"idx":4947,"utterance_id":4948,"speaker_name":69,"text":4949,"start_s":4950,"end_s":4951,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},820,"164174","I'm talking about issues that have room for everyone.",6310.12,6314.24,{"idx":4953,"utterance_id":4954,"speaker_name":69,"text":4955,"start_s":4956,"end_s":4957,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},821,"164175","But in the context of the climate transition, we can reinvent the economy.",6314.8,6321.1,{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":69,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},822,"164176","And that's what I feel.",6321.54,6322.8,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":69,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},823,"164177","For this to happen, this agenda must be placed at a higher level of priority.",6323.44,6329.96,{"idx":4971,"utterance_id":4972,"speaker_name":69,"text":4973,"start_s":4974,"end_s":4975,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},824,"164178","And who can do that?",6330.28,6331.46,{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":69,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},825,"164179","It's the governor.",6332.14,6333.4,{"idx":4983,"utterance_id":4984,"speaker_name":69,"text":4985,"start_s":4986,"end_s":4987,"word_count":340,"indexable":74},826,"164180","If he says this is a priority for him—and he already said that this is a priority for him, for me, and this gathering is telling all of us—we will be saying that environmental policy, the climate transition, is a cross-cutting policy.",6333.86,6350.74,{"idx":4989,"utterance_id":4990,"speaker_name":69,"text":4991,"start_s":4992,"end_s":4993,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},827,"164181","So you in the transport sector, make sure to internalize this guidance in the transport sector.",6351.22,6358.78,{"idx":4995,"utterance_id":4996,"speaker_name":69,"text":4997,"start_s":4998,"end_s":4999,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},828,"164182","You in agriculture, the same thing.",6359.08,6361.5,{"idx":5001,"utterance_id":5002,"speaker_name":69,"text":5003,"start_s":5004,"end_s":5005,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},829,"164183","Those of you in whatever area, do the same thing.",6361.82,6366.3,{"idx":5007,"utterance_id":5008,"speaker_name":69,"text":5009,"start_s":5010,"end_s":5011,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},830,"164184","And education connects with this, because are we going to train people for the economy of the last century or for the economy of the 21st century?",6366.72,6375.42,{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":69,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},831,"164185","We had a seminar here on education and Ricardo Henriquez raised the issue of technological disruption.",6376.12,6385.88,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":69,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},832,"164186","How are we going to train our young people?",6386.26,6388.64,{"idx":5025,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":69,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},833,"164187","Is it to keep building large dams to flood people, the Guajajara people, the chavantes?",6388.94,6396.32,{"idx":5031,"utterance_id":5032,"speaker_name":69,"text":5033,"start_s":5034,"end_s":5035,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},834,"164188","The people there, the acaiapó, shove the indigenous peoples?",6396.64,6400.2,{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":69,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},835,"164189","No.",6400.34,6400.54,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":69,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},836,"164190","We can have a 100% clean, renewable, safe energy mix with distributed generation.",6400.98,6407.92,{"idx":5049,"utterance_id":5050,"speaker_name":69,"text":5051,"start_s":5052,"end_s":5053,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},837,"164191","For a long time we asked them to do something for the environment.",6408.74,6414.68,{"idx":5055,"utterance_id":5056,"speaker_name":69,"text":5057,"start_s":5058,"end_s":5059,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},838,"164192","Now we are saying, generously helping with how to ensure that we continue growing.",6414.74,6422.58,{"idx":5061,"utterance_id":5062,"speaker_name":69,"text":5063,"start_s":5064,"end_s":5065,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},839,"164193","The Biden administration wanted to launch a bold energy transition program.",6422.98,6428.12,{"idx":5067,"utterance_id":5068,"speaker_name":69,"text":5069,"start_s":5070,"end_s":5071,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},840,"164194","Congress did not allow it.",6428.16,6429.28,{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":69,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},841,"164195","And here, certainly, there will need to be a majority in the Legislative Assembly so that he can carry out the climate transition and the energy transition.",6430.12,6438.7,{"idx":5079,"utterance_id":5080,"speaker_name":69,"text":5081,"start_s":5082,"end_s":5083,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},842,"164196","And we won't do that if we don't have the researchers.",6439.02,6442.1,{"idx":5085,"utterance_id":5086,"speaker_name":69,"text":5087,"start_s":5088,"end_s":5089,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},843,"164197","Because enough of governments doing things without knowing what science and research have already said.",6442.44,6449.88,{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":69,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},844,"164198","When we were at the Ministry, why did we achieve good results?",6450.72,6455.08,{"idx":5097,"utterance_id":5098,"speaker_name":69,"text":5099,"start_s":5100,"end_s":5101,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},845,"164199","It was because we took the good ideas from researchers, social movements, and indeed from the public sector itself.",6455.56,6464.1,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5103,"speaker_name":69,"text":5104,"start_s":5105,"end_s":5106,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},"164200","And listening to those inside the public service keeps us from wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel.",6464.16,6469.9,{"idx":5108,"utterance_id":5109,"speaker_name":69,"text":5110,"start_s":5111,"end_s":5112,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},847,"164201","So, I just want to thank you for this opportunity.",6470.3,6473.64,{"idx":5114,"utterance_id":5115,"speaker_name":69,"text":5116,"start_s":5117,"end_s":5118,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},848,"164202","I am very happy to be able to help.",6473.66,6477.66,{"idx":5120,"utterance_id":5121,"speaker_name":69,"text":5122,"start_s":5123,"end_s":5124,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},849,"164203","What we have already found that was being done in the environmental program—this time, certainly, it will not be an environmental chapter alone.",6478.44,6489.76,{"idx":5126,"utterance_id":5127,"speaker_name":69,"text":5128,"start_s":5129,"end_s":5130,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},850,"164204","Environmental issues will be present in all government actions.",6490.44,6494.2,{"idx":5132,"utterance_id":5133,"speaker_name":69,"text":5134,"start_s":5135,"end_s":5136,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},851,"164205","And the environmental chapter, I see it's there, and whoever does not manage to take this path will be missing the boat of history.",6494.58,6509.1,{"idx":5138,"utterance_id":5139,"speaker_name":69,"text":5140,"start_s":5141,"end_s":5142,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},852,"164206","I conclude by saying.",6509.14,6510.06,{"idx":5144,"utterance_id":5145,"speaker_name":69,"text":5146,"start_s":5147,"end_s":5148,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},853,"164207","São Paulo brings together the best conditions to make this transition, fighting inequality, promoting social justice, including looking after traditional peoples.",6510.4,6522.12,{"idx":5150,"utterance_id":5151,"speaker_name":69,"text":5152,"start_s":5153,"end_s":5154,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},854,"164208","Sonia mentioned more than 30,000 indigenous people.",6522.36,6526.72,{"idx":5156,"utterance_id":5157,"speaker_name":69,"text":5158,"start_s":5159,"end_s":5160,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},855,"164209","These people do not have an address in the State of São Paulo.",6527.1,6529.98,{"idx":5162,"utterance_id":5163,"speaker_name":69,"text":5164,"start_s":5165,"end_s":5166,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},856,"164210","There is no address.",6530.5,6531.72,{"idx":5168,"utterance_id":5169,"speaker_name":69,"text":5170,"start_s":5171,"end_s":5172,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},857,"164211","What is the address of the traditional populations of the State of São Paulo?",6532.24,6535.8,{"idx":5174,"utterance_id":5175,"speaker_name":69,"text":5176,"start_s":5177,"end_s":5178,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},858,"164212","Of quilombolas, of... indigenous peoples whether village-based or deterritorialized, of fishermen, over at the Mandira kilometer, where we know people are living in dire poverty.",6536.14,6550.58,{"idx":5180,"utterance_id":5181,"speaker_name":69,"text":5182,"start_s":5183,"end_s":5184,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},859,"164213","It doesn't exist.",6550.88,6551.56,{"idx":5186,"utterance_id":5187,"speaker_name":69,"text":5188,"start_s":5189,"end_s":5190,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},860,"164214","We need to have an address, implement inter-indigenous environmental management, and create opportunities for sustainable development for now and for the coming years.",6551.92,6568.28,{"idx":5192,"utterance_id":5193,"speaker_name":69,"text":5194,"start_s":5195,"end_s":5196,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},861,"164215","It's great that we can dream of starting here in São Paulo a state that brings together the best conditions, an effort I call leading by example.",6569.28,6581.64,{"idx":5198,"utterance_id":5199,"speaker_name":69,"text":5200,"start_s":5201,"end_s":5202,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},862,"164216","When we lead by example, we pull others along.",6582.06,6584.54,{"idx":5204,"utterance_id":5205,"speaker_name":69,"text":5206,"start_s":5207,"end_s":5208,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},863,"164217","I hope that São Paulo, which has already made so many contributions to the 20th-century economy, will now do the same, God willing, with Dádio, for the 21st-century economy.",6584.64,6595.58,{"idx":5210,"utterance_id":5211,"speaker_name":69,"text":2436,"start_s":5212,"end_s":5213,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},864,"164218",6596.1,6605,{"idx":5215,"utterance_id":5216,"speaker_name":69,"text":367,"start_s":5217,"end_s":5218,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},865,"164219",6607.42,6607.96,{"idx":5220,"utterance_id":5221,"speaker_name":69,"text":5222,"start_s":5223,"end_s":5224,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},866,"164220","Thank you, Marina.",6608.92,6609.86,{"idx":5226,"utterance_id":5227,"speaker_name":69,"text":5228,"start_s":5229,"end_s":5230,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},867,"164221","We're coming to the end, everyone.",6610.78,6613.26,{"idx":5232,"utterance_id":5233,"speaker_name":69,"text":5234,"start_s":5235,"end_s":5236,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},868,"164222","The contributions here from everyone have been extraordinary, very important.",6613.74,6619.16,{"idx":5238,"utterance_id":5239,"speaker_name":69,"text":5240,"start_s":5241,"end_s":5242,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},869,"164223","I'm glad about Marina's and Fernando's remarks that there won't be a specific, separate chapter just for the environment.",6619.18,6626.54,{"idx":5244,"utterance_id":5245,"speaker_name":69,"text":5246,"start_s":5247,"end_s":5248,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},870,"164224","It permeates the entire program across all areas, because this is an issue that for us is truly fundamental.",6626.58,6633.86,{"idx":5250,"utterance_id":5251,"speaker_name":69,"text":5252,"start_s":5253,"end_s":5254,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},871,"164225","So, with the floor now... the next governor of São Paulo, Fernando Haddad.",6634.42,6648.64,{"idx":5256,"utterance_id":5257,"speaker_name":69,"text":5258,"start_s":5259,"end_s":5260,"word_count":353,"indexable":74},872,"164226","I'll begin my speech by thanking all of you for your presence and the excellent speeches that preceded me here, all of them impeccable and coherent with each other, which will greatly facilitate the work of Capô, Navio, Hermídio—the systematization of these ideas that will be delivered.",6649.34,6675.16,{"idx":5262,"utterance_id":5263,"speaker_name":69,"text":5264,"start_s":5265,"end_s":5266,"word_count":198,"indexable":74},873,"164227","And just because the proposal wasn't read here at the podium doesn't mean it won't be taken into account.",6675.88,6682.92,{"idx":5268,"utterance_id":5269,"speaker_name":69,"text":5270,"start_s":5271,"end_s":5272,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},874,"164228","I saw many people anxious to say everything they would like to happen in São Paulo in three minutes, which is not possible.",6683.52,6689.7,{"idx":5274,"utterance_id":5275,"speaker_name":69,"text":5276,"start_s":5277,"end_s":5278,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},875,"164229","But everything is being read, everything is being processed by a team, so we won't lose anything good.",6690.26,6696.36,{"idx":5280,"utterance_id":5281,"speaker_name":69,"text":5282,"start_s":5283,"end_s":5284,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},876,"164230","It is important to emphasize that what goes to the Regional Electoral Court is a summary of the program.",6697.02,6703.42,{"idx":5286,"utterance_id":5287,"speaker_name":69,"text":5288,"start_s":5289,"end_s":5290,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},877,"164231","But we will later publish the program as a whole, which is what will guide our management of the State government.",6704,6713.42,{"idx":5292,"utterance_id":5293,"speaker_name":69,"text":5294,"start_s":5295,"end_s":5296,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},878,"164232","We want to conclude the mandate, providing an accounting for everything that was discussed in these seminars.",6714.04,6721.12,{"idx":5298,"utterance_id":5299,"speaker_name":69,"text":5300,"start_s":5301,"end_s":5302,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},879,"164233","We still have one last seminar, a very important theme, which is food security and the fight against hunger.",6722.8,6727.98,{"idx":5304,"utterance_id":5305,"speaker_name":69,"text":5306,"start_s":5307,"end_s":5308,"word_count":371,"indexable":74},880,"164234","I think we will successfully conclude this... this true epic here of seminars of three, four hours' duration, not to mention the internal meetings with all the teams of the six parties that have already been meeting for some time and formalizing their claims regarding the future government.",6728.62,6752.44,{"idx":5310,"utterance_id":5311,"speaker_name":69,"text":5312,"start_s":5313,"end_s":5314,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},881,"164235","I hope, Marina, that we are successful here in making this synthesis.",6753.04,6759.88,{"idx":5316,"utterance_id":5317,"speaker_name":69,"text":5318,"start_s":5319,"end_s":5320,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},882,"164236","I haven't seen anything so far that can't be reconciled.",6760.58,6764.64,{"idx":5322,"utterance_id":5323,"speaker_name":69,"text":5324,"start_s":5325,"end_s":5326,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},883,"164237","And I would like to give testimony of what has already been done when we were given the opportunity to do it.",6765.3,6772.36,{"idx":5328,"utterance_id":5329,"speaker_name":69,"text":5330,"start_s":5331,"end_s":5332,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},884,"164238","I mentioned here, at the culture seminar, that culture and the environment were cross-cutting themes of my administration and of the administration of our dear vice-mayor Nádia Campiana, São Paulo City Hall.",6773.5,6788.02,{"idx":5334,"utterance_id":5335,"speaker_name":69,"text":5336,"start_s":5337,"end_s":5338,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},885,"164239","I will give some examples.",6788.82,6790.26,{"idx":5340,"utterance_id":5341,"speaker_name":69,"text":5342,"start_s":5343,"end_s":5344,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},886,"164240","that illustrate what Capobianto said.",6790.44,6793.32,{"idx":5346,"utterance_id":5347,"speaker_name":69,"text":5348,"start_s":5349,"end_s":5350,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},887,"164241","Because everyone still sees the environment, for lack of education and of information, as a threat to development.",6793.68,6804.26,{"idx":5352,"utterance_id":5353,"speaker_name":69,"text":5354,"start_s":5355,"end_s":5356,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},888,"164242","It's still in people's heads that the environment is a threat to development.",6804.98,6809.68,{"idx":5358,"utterance_id":5359,"speaker_name":69,"text":5360,"start_s":5361,"end_s":5362,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},889,"164243","And I keep asking myself where we're failing in communicating... that without the cultural and environmental agenda, we won't have development.",6810.72,6823,{"idx":5364,"utterance_id":5365,"speaker_name":69,"text":5366,"start_s":5367,"end_s":5368,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},890,"164244","We won't have development.",6824.14,6825.3,{"idx":5370,"utterance_id":5371,"speaker_name":69,"text":5372,"start_s":5373,"end_s":5374,"word_count":388,"indexable":74},891,"164245","So it's a matter of trying to present to people, perhaps more didactically, that this transition we've talked so much about was a necessity not only for the survival of the species, for the survival of the planet, but to rethink what development is in light of the challenges before us.",6825.38,6855.9,{"idx":5376,"utterance_id":5377,"speaker_name":69,"text":5378,"start_s":5379,"end_s":5380,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},892,"164246","What does it mean to develop in this context?",6857.82,6863.88,{"idx":5382,"utterance_id":5383,"speaker_name":69,"text":5384,"start_s":5385,"end_s":5386,"word_count":351,"indexable":74},893,"164247","If we don't change our way of life, if we don't learn a new way of living together, if we don't value the products that feed our spirit as well, which are largely immaterial but represent an ever larger share of the GDP of those thinking about development in the 21st century.",6865.44,6896.44,{"idx":5388,"utterance_id":5389,"speaker_name":69,"text":5390,"start_s":5391,"end_s":5392,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},894,"164248","In other words, if we don't change our mentality about this, it will be hard to speak of growth, it will be hard to speak of employment.",6897.74,6909.3,{"idx":5394,"utterance_id":5395,"speaker_name":69,"text":5396,"start_s":5397,"end_s":5398,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},895,"164249","It will be hard to speak of production.",6910.14,6912.28,{"idx":5400,"utterance_id":5401,"speaker_name":69,"text":5402,"start_s":5403,"end_s":5404,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},896,"164250","These things don't exist without a change that I would even call radical, given the calendar we have and the clock against us, to our detriment.",6913.46,6925.72,{"idx":5406,"utterance_id":5407,"speaker_name":69,"text":5408,"start_s":5409,"end_s":5410,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},897,"164251","The clock is not in our favor.",6925.74,6927.76,{"idx":5412,"utterance_id":5413,"speaker_name":69,"text":5414,"start_s":5415,"end_s":5416,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},898,"164252","We will need to change this very quickly, judging by the warning science gives us.",6928.34,6936.64,{"idx":5418,"utterance_id":5419,"speaker_name":69,"text":5420,"start_s":5421,"end_s":5422,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},899,"164253","We are already almost at a point of no return.",6937.22,6939.36,{"idx":5424,"utterance_id":5425,"speaker_name":69,"text":5426,"start_s":5427,"end_s":5428,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},900,"164254","When you are not at a point of return, what are we waiting for?",6940,6944.1,{"idx":5430,"utterance_id":5431,"speaker_name":69,"text":5432,"start_s":5433,"end_s":5434,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},901,"164255","For catastrophes to happen so that we re-educate ourselves in the way we live?",6944.12,6951.98,{"idx":5436,"utterance_id":5437,"speaker_name":69,"text":5438,"start_s":5439,"end_s":5440,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},902,"164256","I think we have enough intelligence not to need that.",6952,6955.5,{"idx":5442,"utterance_id":5443,"speaker_name":69,"text":5444,"start_s":5445,"end_s":5446,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},903,"164257","That is my hope, that we have enough collective intelligence to prevent only natural disasters from re-educating humanity.",6956.98,6968.44,{"idx":5448,"utterance_id":5449,"speaker_name":69,"text":5450,"start_s":5451,"end_s":5452,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},904,"164258","in its relationships with one another and with nature.",6968.82,6972.54,{"idx":5454,"utterance_id":5455,"speaker_name":69,"text":5456,"start_s":5457,"end_s":5458,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},905,"164259","Because these things are completely interwoven.",6973.4,6976.4,{"idx":5460,"utterance_id":5461,"speaker_name":69,"text":5462,"start_s":5463,"end_s":5464,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},906,"164260","Here in the city of São Paulo, we did some things that I think illustrate Caputo's remarks.",6981.42,6987.48,{"idx":5466,"utterance_id":5467,"speaker_name":69,"text":5468,"start_s":5469,"end_s":5470,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},907,"164261","When, for example, we started replacing all the city's lamps with LED, we were consuming 50% less electric energy, illuminating twice as much compared to the sodium vapor lamp.",6989.06,7005.9,{"idx":5472,"utterance_id":5473,"speaker_name":69,"text":5474,"start_s":5475,"end_s":5476,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},908,"164262","Which meant more security for families, therefore a social agenda — I'm talking about public safety — while consuming 50% of what we consumed with the old lamps.",7007.22,7020.36,{"idx":5478,"utterance_id":5479,"speaker_name":69,"text":5480,"start_s":5481,"end_s":5482,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},909,"164263","Well, this agenda is socio-environmental and generated jobs, it still generates jobs in the city today.",7021.16,7026.46,{"idx":5484,"utterance_id":5485,"speaker_name":69,"text":5486,"start_s":5487,"end_s":5488,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},910,"164264","We made a heavy investment to carry out that replacement.",7026.48,7032.12,{"idx":5490,"utterance_id":5491,"speaker_name":69,"text":5492,"start_s":5493,"end_s":5494,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},911,"164265","With environmental gains and social gains.",7032.68,7035.4,{"idx":5496,"utterance_id":5497,"speaker_name":69,"text":5498,"start_s":5499,"end_s":5500,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},912,"164266","When we decided to prioritize active transport and public transport — active transport meaning sidewalks and the bike lane network.",7036.6,7046.32,{"idx":5502,"utterance_id":5503,"speaker_name":69,"text":5504,"start_s":5505,"end_s":5506,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},913,"164267","Restoring sidewalks and creating a bike lane network.",7047.36,7052.9,{"idx":5508,"utterance_id":5509,"speaker_name":69,"text":5510,"start_s":5511,"end_s":5512,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},914,"164268","And public transport, above all giving priority on the public roadway to buses.",7053.56,7059.44,{"idx":5514,"utterance_id":5515,"speaker_name":69,"text":5516,"start_s":5517,"end_s":5518,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},915,"164269","we were pursuing a socio-environmental agenda.",7060.34,7063.12,{"idx":5520,"utterance_id":5521,"speaker_name":69,"text":5522,"start_s":5523,"end_s":5524,"word_count":340,"indexable":74},916,"164270","We were ensuring that the worker would get home a bit earlier, not much earlier, but that little bit earlier sometimes meant one or two hours of sleep, or one or two hours with the family, with the children, educating the children.",7064.32,7081.04,{"idx":5526,"utterance_id":5527,"speaker_name":69,"text":5528,"start_s":5529,"end_s":5530,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},917,"164271","On the child's side, when doing homework, we know the value of that — of a father, of a mother, in a child's life.",7082.02,7088.54,{"idx":5532,"utterance_id":5533,"speaker_name":69,"text":5534,"start_s":5535,"end_s":5536,"word_count":435,"indexable":74},918,"164272","We were pursuing a socio-environmental agenda, removing cars from the street, reducing the time buses spent in traffic, emitting CO2 — no, carbon monoxide, actually — and I don't know how many tons of carbon monoxide ceased to be dumped into the environment simply because the commercial speed of buses increased 40, 50% in the city.",7089.7,7118.62,{"idx":5538,"utterance_id":5539,"speaker_name":69,"text":5540,"start_s":5541,"end_s":5542,"word_count":405,"indexable":74},919,"164273","The localized mechanized sorting centers, which our colleague mentioned here, we encouraged the cooperatives, organized the cooperatives of waste pickers, but we didn't have the sorting capacity, because families separated dry waste from organic waste, but for lack of sorting capacity the separated waste, the separated organic waste, went to the sanitary landfill.",7119.74,7148.44,{"idx":5544,"utterance_id":5545,"speaker_name":69,"text":5546,"start_s":5547,"end_s":5548,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},920,"164274","We created mechanized centers to have idle capacity, precisely to encourage families to separate more.",7149.16,7157.02,{"idx":5550,"utterance_id":5551,"speaker_name":69,"text":5552,"start_s":5553,"end_s":5554,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},921,"164275","Because we don't need to send to landfill more than 10% of what we produce.",7157.78,7165.82,{"idx":5556,"utterance_id":5557,"speaker_name":69,"text":5558,"start_s":5559,"end_s":5560,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},922,"164276","And there are countries talking about zero disposal, because the organic goes to composting, the dry goes to recycling and whatever remains... they give it a final destination so that nothing goes to the sanitary landfill.",7166.94,7180.58,{"idx":5562,"utterance_id":5563,"speaker_name":69,"text":5564,"start_s":5565,"end_s":5566,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},923,"164277","And what prevents us from doing that?",7181.66,7183.16,{"idx":5568,"utterance_id":5569,"speaker_name":69,"text":5570,"start_s":5571,"end_s":5572,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},924,"164278","Honestly, I know what prevents us.",7184.2,7186.58,{"idx":5574,"utterance_id":5575,"speaker_name":69,"text":5576,"start_s":5577,"end_s":5578,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},925,"164279","The technology is available, as Marina said.",7186.92,7190.06,{"idx":5580,"utterance_id":5581,"speaker_name":69,"text":5582,"start_s":5583,"end_s":5584,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},926,"164280","We have the technology.",7190.52,7191.78,{"idx":5586,"utterance_id":5587,"speaker_name":69,"text":5588,"start_s":5589,"end_s":5590,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},927,"164281","The state of São Paulo has 30% of the country's GDP; the country has 27 federative units — 26 states and the Federal District.",7192.32,7199.96,{"idx":5592,"utterance_id":5593,"speaker_name":69,"text":5594,"start_s":5595,"end_s":5596,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},928,"164282","And the state represents 30% of the country's economy.",7200.28,7204.74,{"idx":5598,"utterance_id":5599,"speaker_name":69,"text":5600,"start_s":5601,"end_s":5602,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},929,"164283","It is one of the largest economies in the world on its own.",7205.86,7208.84,{"idx":5604,"utterance_id":5605,"speaker_name":69,"text":5606,"start_s":5607,"end_s":5608,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},930,"164284","Why can't it lead a process of transformation, a real revolution of practices, using technology?",7209.7,7219.3,{"idx":5610,"utterance_id":5611,"speaker_name":69,"text":5612,"start_s":5613,"end_s":5614,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},931,"164285","We have 40% of the country's scientific research in the State of São Paulo.",7219.4,7226.74,{"idx":5616,"utterance_id":5617,"speaker_name":69,"text":5618,"start_s":5619,"end_s":5620,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},932,"164286","Be it Taúso, Néstor Unicamp, the Federal University of ABC, Unifesp, Fiscar, the Federal University of São Carlos.",7227.66,7234.54,{"idx":5622,"utterance_id":5623,"speaker_name":69,"text":5624,"start_s":5625,"end_s":5626,"word_count":247,"indexable":74},933,"164287","Centro Paulo Açores, Instituto Federal de São Paulo, ITA, FAPESP — put all that together, create an innovation system with the private sector and convince the private sector to invest correctly.",7234.94,7248.04,{"idx":5628,"utterance_id":5629,"speaker_name":69,"text":5630,"start_s":5631,"end_s":5632,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},934,"164288","It's not about fleeing or disinvesting here, it's about investing here.",7248.32,7251.58,{"idx":5634,"utterance_id":5635,"speaker_name":69,"text":5636,"start_s":5637,"end_s":5638,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},935,"164289","And providing capital if necessary, credit.",7253.34,7256.24,{"idx":5640,"utterance_id":5641,"speaker_name":69,"text":5642,"start_s":5643,"end_s":5644,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},936,"164290","Why not the Desenvolve?",7256.76,7257.6,{"idx":748,"utterance_id":5646,"speaker_name":69,"text":5647,"start_s":5648,"end_s":5649,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},"164291","Can't São Paulo be a partner of this new industry, of this new economy?",7257.66,7265.04,{"idx":5651,"utterance_id":5652,"speaker_name":69,"text":5653,"start_s":5654,"end_s":5655,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},938,"164292","Why can't the State of São Paulo provide resources through public-private partnerships, with science producing the patents, the educational institutions, the researchers?",7265.6,7278.48,{"idx":5657,"utterance_id":5658,"speaker_name":69,"text":5659,"start_s":5660,"end_s":5661,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},939,"164293","They are public patents.",7278.74,7280,{"idx":5663,"utterance_id":5664,"speaker_name":69,"text":5665,"start_s":5666,"end_s":5667,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},940,"164294","Why don't we direct research via FAPESP to what matters from a socio-environmental point of view?",7281.18,7288.18,{"idx":5669,"utterance_id":5670,"speaker_name":69,"text":5671,"start_s":5672,"end_s":5673,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},941,"164295","Why don't we reduce emissions from the construction industry?",7289.08,7292.56,{"idx":5675,"utterance_id":5676,"speaker_name":69,"text":5677,"start_s":5678,"end_s":5679,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},942,"164296","with new technologies, as has been happening around the world.",7292.9,7296.16,{"idx":5681,"utterance_id":5682,"speaker_name":69,"text":5683,"start_s":5684,"end_s":5685,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},943,"164297","So I keep asking myself, why is it not possible to do this?",7296.6,7300.22,{"idx":5687,"utterance_id":5688,"speaker_name":69,"text":5689,"start_s":5690,"end_s":5691,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},944,"164298","What is preventing us from doing it?",7300.92,7303.34,{"idx":760,"utterance_id":5693,"speaker_name":69,"text":5694,"start_s":5695,"end_s":5696,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},"164299","Here in São Paulo, all our agenda had a cultural dimension and an environmental dimension.",7304.34,7310.82,{"idx":5698,"utterance_id":5699,"speaker_name":69,"text":5700,"start_s":5701,"end_s":5702,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},946,"164300","Every agenda we carried out, regardless of the department.",7310.92,7314.02,{"idx":5704,"utterance_id":5705,"speaker_name":69,"text":5706,"start_s":5707,"end_s":5708,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},947,"164301","When we reinstated Fernando Malofranco, our award-winning urban planning secretary; when the UN once awarded us for the master plan and Bloomberg Philanthropies awarded us a second time because of the recovery of São Paulo's rural zone.",7315.1,7335.78,{"idx":5710,"utterance_id":5711,"speaker_name":69,"text":5712,"start_s":5713,"end_s":5714,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},948,"164302","We re-established the concept of a rural zone in the metropolis and began to procure for school meals the organic products produced there by the region's farmers.",7336.78,7352.44,{"idx":5716,"utterance_id":5717,"speaker_name":69,"text":5718,"start_s":5719,"end_s":5720,"word_count":214,"indexable":74},949,"164303","We won an international prize for the idea and a $5 million grant from Bloomberg for us to allocate resources to that 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volumes.",7379.52,7396.92,{"idx":5740,"utterance_id":5741,"speaker_name":69,"text":5742,"start_s":5743,"end_s":5744,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},953,"164307","I'm talking about the education agenda that dialogued with culture and the environment, also because culture and the environment — talking about these two things separately today is a... 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There's a launch today of audiovisuals showing what's happening to the oceans, showing what's happening to the forests, showing what's happening to the soil, the depletion of the soil.",7525.02,7539.6,{"idx":5878,"utterance_id":5879,"speaker_name":69,"text":5880,"start_s":5881,"end_s":5882,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},976,"164330","I remember, Remílio, that back when I was at MEC I... 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Imagine you, the government of the state of São Paulo, how big that is.",7734.84,7744.88,{"idx":6183,"utterance_id":6184,"speaker_name":69,"text":6185,"start_s":6186,"end_s":6187,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1027,"164381","The number of problems you have to solve.",7744.9,7746.92,{"idx":6189,"utterance_id":6190,"speaker_name":69,"text":6191,"start_s":6192,"end_s":6193,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},1028,"164382","Either you assemble teams of that caliber, or you'll spend four years chasing after things.",7747.38,7752.46,{"idx":6195,"utterance_id":6196,"speaker_name":69,"text":6197,"start_s":6198,"end_s":6199,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1029,"164383","Even with good intentions.",7753.92,7755.26,{"idx":6201,"utterance_id":6202,"speaker_name":69,"text":6203,"start_s":6204,"end_s":6205,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1030,"164384","Now, imagine what they're doing with ill intent.",7756.48,7758.8,{"idx":6207,"utterance_id":6208,"speaker_name":69,"text":6209,"start_s":6210,"end_s":6211,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1031,"164385","If doing things with good intentions is hard work and requires technical knowledge, imagine what these guys are doing maliciously.",7759.96,7772.86,{"idx":6213,"utterance_id":6214,"speaker_name":69,"text":6215,"start_s":6216,"end_s":6217,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},1032,"164386","What's happening at the federal government is the total dismantling of the state apparatus.",7773.36,7779.34,{"idx":6219,"utterance_id":6220,"speaker_name":69,"text":6221,"start_s":6222,"end_s":6223,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1033,"164387","Who said that?",7779.74,7781.42,{"idx":6225,"utterance_id":6226,"speaker_name":69,"text":6227,"start_s":6228,"end_s":6229,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},1034,"164388","I think it was Nabil who said it.",7781.46,7782.48,{"idx":6231,"utterance_id":6232,"speaker_name":69,"text":6233,"start_s":6234,"end_s":6235,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},1035,"164389","Someone here said the main task was to restructure the State, to re-equip the State to fulfill the constitutional mandate.",7783.6,7793.58,{"idx":6237,"utterance_id":6238,"speaker_name":69,"text":6239,"start_s":6240,"end_s":6241,"word_count":144,"indexable":74},1036,"164390","And the state of São Paulo, as a subnational entity, has the same problem.",7794.24,7799.42,{"idx":6243,"utterance_id":6244,"speaker_name":69,"text":6245,"start_s":6246,"end_s":6247,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},1037,"164391","I said the other day, Emílio accompanied me with CETESB employees.",7800.22,7804.98,{"idx":6249,"utterance_id":6250,"speaker_name":69,"text":6251,"start_s":6252,"end_s":6253,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1038,"164392","Aren't the research institutes any better?",7805.8,7808.8,{"idx":6255,"utterance_id":6256,"speaker_name":69,"text":6257,"start_s":6258,"end_s":6259,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1039,"164393","There are no hires, it's run down, the legislation isn't being followed, no one... They don't feel empowered to do their work.",7809.2,7819.6,{"idx":6261,"utterance_id":6262,"speaker_name":69,"text":6263,"start_s":6264,"end_s":6265,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1040,"164394","And CETEB is a very important body of the State.",7820.14,7824.98,{"idx":6267,"utterance_id":6268,"speaker_name":69,"text":6269,"start_s":6270,"end_s":6271,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1041,"164395","DAE is a very important agency of the State.",7825.52,7828.14,{"idx":6273,"utterance_id":6274,"speaker_name":69,"text":6275,"start_s":6276,"end_s":6277,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},1042,"164396","I don't see the kind of concern from the state of São Paulo that it should have, precisely because of its strength — it's not like that... I don't think Brazil is any of that.",7828.64,7840.94,{"idx":6279,"utterance_id":6280,"speaker_name":69,"text":6281,"start_s":6282,"end_s":6283,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},1043,"164397","I think the Northeast has changed its life, I think there are regions of the country that are redefining themselves.",7841,7847.26,{"idx":6285,"utterance_id":6286,"speaker_name":69,"text":6287,"start_s":6288,"end_s":6289,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},1044,"164398","But the state of São Paulo, given its history, has to be, at least, a showcase for some public policies.",7847.76,7854.36,{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":69,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1045,"164399","And that's not happening anywhere, in any area.",7854.94,7857.68,{"idx":6297,"utterance_id":6298,"speaker_name":69,"text":6299,"start_s":6300,"end_s":6301,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1046,"164400","You look at education — what example comes out of here?",7857.94,7862.28,{"idx":6303,"utterance_id":6304,"speaker_name":69,"text":6305,"start_s":6306,"end_s":6307,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1047,"164401","Environment, what's the example?",7862.66,7864.2,{"idx":6309,"utterance_id":6310,"speaker_name":69,"text":6311,"start_s":6312,"end_s":6313,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1048,"164402","Transport.",7864.7,7865.4,{"idx":6315,"utterance_id":6316,"speaker_name":69,"text":6317,"start_s":6318,"end_s":6319,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1049,"164403","What's the example?",7865.94,7866.64,{"idx":6321,"utterance_id":6322,"speaker_name":69,"text":6323,"start_s":6324,"end_s":6325,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1050,"164404","Culture.",7866.66,7867.16,{"idx":6327,"utterance_id":6328,"speaker_name":69,"text":6317,"start_s":6329,"end_s":6330,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1051,"164405",7867.22,7868.04,{"idx":6332,"utterance_id":6333,"speaker_name":69,"text":6334,"start_s":6335,"end_s":6336,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},1052,"164406","So you can't have no example at all.",7869.24,7871.28,{"idx":6338,"utterance_id":6339,"speaker_name":69,"text":6340,"start_s":6341,"end_s":6342,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},1053,"164407","You don't have to lead in everything, but you have to have something to show.",7871.4,7875.48,{"idx":6344,"utterance_id":6345,"speaker_name":69,"text":6346,"start_s":6347,"end_s":6348,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},1054,"164408","You have to have something to say.",7876.8,7878.1,{"idx":6350,"utterance_id":6351,"speaker_name":69,"text":6352,"start_s":6353,"end_s":6354,"word_count":118,"indexable":74},1055,"164409","And I think the environmental area is where we can give a spectacular jump-start.",7878.7,7882.72,{"idx":6356,"utterance_id":6357,"speaker_name":69,"text":6358,"start_s":6359,"end_s":6360,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1056,"164410","Spectacular.",7882.74,7884.22,{"idx":6362,"utterance_id":6363,"speaker_name":69,"text":6364,"start_s":6365,"end_s":6366,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1057,"164411","Everything's ready.",7884.6,7885.6,{"idx":6368,"utterance_id":6369,"speaker_name":69,"text":6370,"start_s":6371,"end_s":6372,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1058,"164412","The technology is ready.",7886.08,7887.48,{"idx":6374,"utterance_id":6375,"speaker_name":69,"text":6376,"start_s":6377,"end_s":6378,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1059,"164413","Everything's ready for us to make something big happen.",7887.5,7890.98,{"idx":6380,"utterance_id":6381,"speaker_name":69,"text":6382,"start_s":6383,"end_s":6384,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1060,"164414","By the way, I think culture and environment are always the areas... When I say culture and environment, I'm speaking from a cross-cutting perspective.",7891.04,7898.06,{"idx":6386,"utterance_id":6387,"speaker_name":69,"text":6388,"start_s":6389,"end_s":6390,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1061,"164415","You take a department and rethink it from those two axes.",7898.08,7904.28,{"idx":6392,"utterance_id":6393,"speaker_name":69,"text":6394,"start_s":6395,"end_s":6396,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},1062,"164416","I think a lot of good things come out of a reflection like that.",7905.08,7909.14,{"idx":6398,"utterance_id":6399,"speaker_name":69,"text":6400,"start_s":6401,"end_s":6402,"word_count":187,"indexable":74},1063,"164417","I'm having several meetings at city hall, saying, what can your department do for the environment?",7909.42,7915.54,{"idx":6404,"utterance_id":6405,"speaker_name":69,"text":6406,"start_s":6407,"end_s":6408,"word_count":113,"indexable":74},1064,"164418","Oh, you can make a park, do that part.",7916.06,7918.58,{"idx":6410,"utterance_id":6411,"speaker_name":69,"text":6412,"start_s":6413,"end_s":6414,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},1065,"164419","Oh, I can make more sustainable transport, so do it.",7919.02,7921.62,{"idx":6416,"utterance_id":6417,"speaker_name":69,"text":6418,"start_s":6419,"end_s":6420,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1066,"164420","I can do... a more sustainable waste collection, so that's easy.",7922.14,7926.74,{"idx":6422,"utterance_id":6423,"speaker_name":69,"text":6424,"start_s":6425,"end_s":6426,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1067,"164421","That's how we used to operate.",7927.4,7929.12,{"idx":6428,"utterance_id":6429,"speaker_name":69,"text":6430,"start_s":6431,"end_s":6432,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1068,"164422","When we started, we closed Paulista Avenue so that people could, on Sundays, stroll through São Paulo, which is a place that has nowhere to stroll.",7929.98,7939.68,{"idx":6434,"utterance_id":6435,"speaker_name":69,"text":6436,"start_s":6437,"end_s":6438,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1069,"164423","São Paulo doesn't have places [to stroll].",7940.04,7941.14,{"idx":6440,"utterance_id":6441,"speaker_name":69,"text":6442,"start_s":6443,"end_s":6444,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},1070,"164424","It's not like a European city; when you go to Europe you think, I'll walk around.",7941.58,7944.96,{"idx":6446,"utterance_id":6447,"speaker_name":69,"text":6448,"start_s":6449,"end_s":6450,"word_count":153,"indexable":74},1071,"164425","The first thing you think — what are you going to do in Europe?",7945.84,7948.4,{"idx":6452,"utterance_id":6453,"speaker_name":69,"text":6454,"start_s":6455,"end_s":6456,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1072,"164426","Walk.",7948.5,7948.82,{"idx":6458,"utterance_id":6459,"speaker_name":69,"text":6460,"start_s":6461,"end_s":6462,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1073,"164427","You want to walk.",7948.84,7949.96,{"idx":6464,"utterance_id":6465,"speaker_name":69,"text":6466,"start_s":6467,"end_s":6468,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1074,"164428","When someone came to São Paulo — I don't know, a guy, a relative from the interior, from another place — you'd say, what am I going to do?",7950.78,7958.2,{"idx":6470,"utterance_id":6471,"speaker_name":69,"text":6472,"start_s":6473,"end_s":6474,"word_count":139,"indexable":74},1075,"164429","You'd wait for nightfall to get the guy drunk, right?",7958.22,7962.2,{"idx":6476,"utterance_id":6477,"speaker_name":69,"text":6478,"start_s":6479,"end_s":6480,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},1076,"164430","Go drink, go... 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