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camp.",535.12,540.78,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":106,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":348,"indexable":75},79,"85799","Those who study it — it's not my area of research, but those who study the quality of democracy, for example — know there is no reason there should be more right-wing men in parliament than right-wing women, for example, if society is made up of women and men.",541.28,556.94,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":106,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},80,"85800","Likewise, the racial issue.",557.26,558.72,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":106,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":201,"indexable":75},81,"85801","Women — both the issue of gender, as well as race and sexual orientation — are not an agenda of the left, or they should not be an agenda of the left, although we are the ones who most raise the participation of these segments in parliament as important elements for 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better.",591.9,594.3,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":106,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},86,"85806","I had 15 years in office.",595.6,597.1,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":106,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":590,"indexable":75},87,"85807","When I entered, or when I went to Brasília, which was already a much bigger spotlight, because the municipal parliament — although city councils are often undervalued — the Chamber of Porto Alegre, at least for me, was a very generous experience, because it is very close to the population; the population scrutinizes you. I had already entered as the most voted, so there is a kind of shielding from people knowing who you are and being very close to those who know who you are. So the breath is very close to the neck, to create artificial labels, to try to stereotype you as something you are not. So it's hard to say I was a 'cute little thing' in the Porto Alegre City Council, given that I had a trajectory in the student movement.",597.98,636,122,{"idx":592,"utterance_id":593,"speaker_name":106,"text":594,"start_s":595,"end_s":596,"word_count":104,"indexable":75},88,"85808","Who would really believe that?",636.32,637.58,{"idx":598,"utterance_id":599,"speaker_name":106,"text":600,"start_s":601,"end_s":602,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},89,"85809","It would be an effort in vain.",637.62,638.92,{"idx":604,"utterance_id":605,"speaker_name":106,"text":606,"start_s":607,"end_s":608,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},90,"85810","When I went to Brasília, it was horrible.",639.52,641.12,{"idx":610,"utterance_id":611,"speaker_name":106,"text":612,"start_s":613,"end_s":614,"word_count":196,"indexable":75},91,"85811","So, if you had asked me that 13 years ago, when I went to Brasília, was there respect for 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many women; even among those 77 elected, if you look at their faces, at the composition, they are already much younger.",698.08,705.88,{"idx":664,"utterance_id":665,"speaker_name":106,"text":666,"start_s":667,"end_s":668,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},100,"85820","There are many younger women from our own camp, with greater plurality.",706.46,710.84,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":106,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},101,"85821","If it's at risk, it's at great risk.",711.74,713.56,{"idx":676,"utterance_id":677,"speaker_name":106,"text":678,"start_s":679,"end_s":680,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},102,"85822","Why do we have today the highest participation of women in the parliament, in the Chamber of Deputies, in history?",713.68,718.48,{"idx":682,"utterance_id":683,"speaker_name":106,"text":684,"start_s":685,"end_s":686,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},103,"85823","Is it related to the number of women mobilized and organized in 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required parties to make investments.",740.58,746.96,{"idx":718,"utterance_id":719,"speaker_name":106,"text":720,"start_s":721,"end_s":722,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},109,"85829","and it had an impact, Adade.",747.3,748.52,{"idx":724,"utterance_id":725,"speaker_name":106,"text":726,"start_s":727,"end_s":728,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},110,"85830","It basically doubled.",749.04,750.14,{"idx":730,"utterance_id":731,"speaker_name":106,"text":732,"start_s":733,"end_s":734,"word_count":104,"indexable":75},111,"85831","It went from 40 to 77.",750.3,752.38,{"idx":736,"utterance_id":737,"speaker_name":106,"text":738,"start_s":739,"end_s":740,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},112,"85832","In the previous election it had gone from 45 to 42.",752.52,755.56,{"idx":742,"utterance_id":743,"speaker_name":106,"text":744,"start_s":745,"end_s":746,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},113,"85833","Why do they focus so much on 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politics.",769.3,774.42,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":106,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},118,"85838","Even they had to bow down, theirs.",775.24,777.58,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":106,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":360,"indexable":75},119,"85839","But on this side, and if women are in politics, invariably, if we, to answer the last question, which is ideology and gender, if we carry out the debate of what I defend, which is a popular feminism, there is no way women will not be with us.",778.34,792.98,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":106,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},120,"85840","Because this crisis is a crisis that punishes, above all, women.",793.06,796.66,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":106,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":288,"indexable":75},121,"85841","The State... when it is diminished, austerity measures, the reduction of public investments, the increase in the price of gas, the end of daycare slots, it does not punish women and men workers equally in a society.",797.2,809.82,{"idx":590,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":106,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":178,"indexable":75},"85842","It punishes more those who most need the State or public policies for their emancipation.",810.16,816.12,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":106,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},123,"85843","And it is women who are those, in a sexist society like ours.",816.48,819.4,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":106,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":190,"indexable":75},124,"85844","So, if we manage to push forward this political project of ours, the result will be women engaged in our causes.",820.02,829.58,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":106,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":166,"indexable":75},125,"85845","Obviously, they live the contradiction, they bury their children, they live real life.",830.06,834.36,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":106,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},126,"85846","That is why they oppose so systematically the quota policy and the policy of financing female candidacies.",834.82,843.7,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":106,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":90,"indexable":75},127,"85847","Because there are advances.",843.92,844.7,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":196,"indexable":75},128,"85848","There's one thing I ask just to hear your opinion, because I myself am forming a judgment on these issues.",845.7,852.38,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":104,"indexable":75},129,"85849","You have the economic question.",854.72,856.52,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":360,"indexable":75},130,"85850","your worldview about the economy, and then there is the debate about whether society has to be more meritocratic, less meritocratic, what the level of assistance, support the State has to give people in order to guarantee equality of opportunity.",858.34,872.74,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},131,"85851","In short, there is a very rich debate in the economic field and there are very varied models: a more liberal one, ultra-liberal, more social-democratic, 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values.",902.6,914.76,{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":164,"indexable":75},135,"85855","The impression is that what speaks loudest is the pocket when the going gets tough, let's put it that way.",915.64,921.4,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},136,"85856","At times of crisis, when things are out of balance.",921.48,925.28,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},137,"85857","And often, because of interests, values are mobilized in the most regressive way possible.",926.46,933.62,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},138,"85858","So you divide women, you divide the black movement, you divide those with different beliefs to the benefit of a project of exploitation, domination, and restriction of economic and social rights.",934.4,948.48,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},"85859","How do you reconcile that?",949.46,951.58,{"idx":901,"utterance_id":902,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":903,"start_s":904,"end_s":905,"word_count":49,"indexable":75},140,"85860","How does the left, the more progressive camp, avoid falling into the trap of separating these two things and instead bring them together around a project?",951.66,961.96,{"idx":907,"utterance_id":908,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":909,"start_s":910,"end_s":911,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},141,"85861","that can be assimilated as a single project, a single worldview.",962.54,966,{"idx":913,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":106,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":166,"indexable":75},142,"85862","I understand that what you mean is what some people try to sum up.",968.3,972.3,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":106,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":110,"indexable":75},143,"85863","that you do, of course, with all your quality; people, in attacks or when they want to criticize those engaged in the women's movement or the black movement, say, 'these are the ones who have identity causes.'",972.88,982.7,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":106,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":90,"indexable":75},144,"85864","Exactly, that's it.",982.8,983.56,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":106,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},145,"85865","Yes, that's the name that's commonly used.",983.76,986.06,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":106,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":146,"indexable":75},146,"85866","Now, for any movement that brings women together, no, we have to talk about work and we cannot talk only about gender.",986.24,991.68,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":106,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},147,"85867","I think, first of all, we have to know Brazil.",992.66,995.06,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":106,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},148,"85868","When we look at who the Brazilian people are... we understand that this people has a history and certain characteristics.",995.86,1002.64,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":106,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":549,"indexable":75},"85869","We are still a country with a young population, not as young as I was, but let's say we still have a young people; we have a history of a society built around the participation of women, so family nuclei, especially those of black women—there are researchers with fantastic work, researchers and black women who study this—and we are a country whose economic inequality, which is central to me, is structured around the question of gender and race.",1002.68,1031.12,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":106,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},150,"85870","Evidently work is central, because it is what is central for the people, because my husband, who is a musician, always says that there is no poet with a toothache.",1031.76,1039,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":106,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":196,"indexable":75},151,"85871","I mean, how can one think about art with the death of a child at the door?",1039.74,1045.42,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":106,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},152,"85872","Now, we are the ones who have to know that there is very little chance of a white girl, like my daughter, being executed in the territory where I 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Economic inequality is organized on the basis of gender and race.",1110.42,1118.12,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":106,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},162,"85882","Research shows this; the wage gap proves it.",1118.16,1120.98,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":106,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":116,"indexable":75},163,"85883","And this, for me, is my guide.",1121.16,1125.64,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":106,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},164,"85884","Second, Professor Flávia Biroli, from UNB, points out, let's say, a guiding thread.",1126.24,1131.84,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":106,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},165,"85885","I also do not have the definitive answer.",1131.88,1133.32,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":106,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":104,"indexable":75},166,"85886","She gives a guiding thread.",1133.38,1134.76,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":106,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},167,"85887","the reasons why they structure their discourse as absolutely moralistic and conservative, and it even relates to the content of fake news.",1135.92,1144.88,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":106,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},168,"85888","Besides that, this discourse is associated with the agenda of shrinking the State.",1144.94,1149.72,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":106,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},169,"85889","She even rescues certain speeches and texts of Thatcher.",1150.12,1153.84,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":106,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":166,"indexable":75},170,"85890","When Thatcher said, 'There is no such thing as society. 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As Lynn Hunt says, we break the idea that the other is equal to me to justify necropolitics, the extermination of the other.",1187.9,1201.68,{"idx":1145,"utterance_id":1146,"speaker_name":106,"text":1147,"start_s":1148,"end_s":1149,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},181,"85901","So they take this agenda to justify an economic program as well.",1202.18,1208.14,{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":106,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},182,"85902","It is part of their economic agenda.",1208.86,1211.36,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":106,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":196,"indexable":75},183,"85903","Because to shrink the State, to have no daycare, to be able to have homeschooling, you need to have a mother locked up at home.",1211.4,1217.66,{"idx":1163,"utterance_id":1164,"speaker_name":106,"text":1165,"start_s":1166,"end_s":1167,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},184,"85904","Someone will be locked inside 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own merit, by their talent, had never expanded so much.",1323.08,1343.9,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},210,"85930","So you had an explosion of opportunities in access to higher education.",1344.36,1349.58,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":134,"indexable":75},211,"85931","Today, not only is the majority of students, for example, at federal universities composed of black people, but even in postgraduate programs, in high-demand courses, the majority are women.",1350.2,1364.58,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},212,"85932","Today women are already the majority even in medicine, in postgraduate 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quotas, you were a deputy, you were close to the government that was carrying out these transformations; we interacted a lot, me as minister, you as a parliamentarian.",1389.62,1407.64,{"idx":1358,"utterance_id":1359,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1360,"start_s":1361,"end_s":1362,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},217,"85937","How much does this, in your opinion, serve as hope for the future?",1409.58,1414.9,{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":1365,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1366,"start_s":1367,"end_s":1368,"word_count":166,"indexable":75},218,"85938","Higher, formal education — will it change the way Brazilians relate to one another?",1415.42,1422.24,{"idx":1370,"utterance_id":1371,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1372,"start_s":1373,"end_s":1374,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},219,"85939","Will this have an impact on sociability or will it only impact scientific 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change.",1431.34,1437.84,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":106,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},224,"85944","Because I remember I already told you this another day.",1439.2,1442.74,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":106,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},225,"85945","I've always imagined that we did politics to fulfill people's dreams.",1443.54,1448.5,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":106,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":196,"indexable":75},226,"85946","And I like to imagine life that way because we have to know where we want to go.",1448.66,1452.3,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":106,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":288,"indexable":75},227,"85947","And the changes we made in the university, both public and private — quotas and ProUni to use the two main names, the two main brands — for me they even changed this paradigm of mine.",1453.3,1464.78,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":106,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":178,"indexable":75},228,"85948","Because we showed people that they could dream dreams that were forbidden to them.",1464.96,1470.22,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":106,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":184,"indexable":75},"85949","I did student activism; I would go into classrooms in public schools defending quotas, quota marches.",1470.98,1476.2,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":106,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},230,"85950","I was treated as someone who had a problem.",1476.84,1479.74,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":106,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},231,"85951","People didn't know what I was talking 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I remember a girl at the Paraná school, I remember the place where I spoke with her.",1485.6,1492.58,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":106,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":288,"indexable":75},235,"85955","It wasn't once or twice that I went into a classroom, with her calling me to talk to me, because I had been the only person in her life... who had told her that she could take the entrance exam.",1492.98,1502.98,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":106,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},236,"85956","I'm talking about the years 2000, 2000, maybe 2001.",1503.6,1507.38,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":106,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":90,"indexable":75},237,"85957","Yesterday, historically yesterday.",1507.64,1508.84,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":106,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},238,"85958","And then we saw the university become the home of those people.",1509.12,1513.3,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":106,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":348,"indexable":75},239,"85959","So, for me, the most important thing about all this is that when we look at the government, when we look at the difficulties, we imagine that, in a very short period of time, people hardly... imagined that they could enter a place, and legions of them invaded that place.",1513.5,1530.12,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":106,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},240,"85960","This shows that everything is possible.",1530.26,1531.56,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":106,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},241,"85961","Because sometimes we get somewhat hopeless in the face of the Brazilian political picture.",1531.62,1535.6,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":106,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},242,"85962","I think — I said this just yesterday in a discussion — that the main change we made in Brazil was the democratization of the university.",1536.32,1542.48,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":106,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},243,"85963","The university is the sacred temple of the Brazilian elite.",1542.98,1546.18,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":106,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},"85964","Brazil took a long time to have universities.",1546.56,1548.32,{"idx":1524,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":106,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},245,"85965","We look at other solid democracies; we always look at some parameters.",1548.36,1551.86,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":106,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},246,"85966","Ah, it's the age of parliament, the age of I don't know what.",1551.98,1553.7,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":106,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},247,"85967","I always look at the age of the university.",1553.78,1555.36,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":106,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},248,"85968","For how long have those people been producing their knowledge?",1555.8,1558.76,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":106,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},249,"85969","Knowledge close to their reality.",1559.38,1561.62,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":106,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},250,"85970","I spent some time studying in the United Kingdom recently; the university dated back to 1462.",1562.26,1567.8,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":106,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},251,"85971","I said, wow, before Brazil was discovered there were already people here doing research.",1567.84,1570.68,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":106,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":104,"indexable":75},252,"85972","What did we do?",1570.92,1571.7,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":106,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},253,"85973","We promoted the encounter of that structure with our people.",1571.84,1575.48,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":106,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":90,"indexable":75},254,"85974","That's fantastic.",1576.84,1577.92,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":106,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":84,"indexable":75},255,"85975","For what?",1578.2,1578.5,{"idx":260,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":106,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":90,"indexable":75},"85976","To produce knowledge.",1578.58,1579.92,{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":106,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},257,"85977","So, knowledge is going to be changed.",1580.64,1583.22,{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":106,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":129,"indexable":75},258,"85978","And knowledge is what can change reality.",1583.4,1585.24,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":106,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":90,"indexable":75},259,"85979","So, it's the same.",1585.3,1586.46,{"idx":1613,"utterance_id":1614,"speaker_name":106,"text":1615,"start_s":1616,"end_s":1617,"word_count":134,"indexable":75},260,"85980","Any profession we can imagine — is a doctor who used the SUS his whole life the same as a doctor who never left a private clinic?",1588.76,1599.24,{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":106,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":272,"indexable":75},261,"85981","It's not. So he changes the knowledge he produces, but I also have to... Professional practice, the way one sees the other is like a judge who knows what it's like to be a mother.",1599.42,1610.72,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":106,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":394,"indexable":75},262,"85982","— who has no one to leave her children with, looking at a mother accused of neglect, who didn't comply with the Child and Adolescent Statute, who went to work and went from taking care of 11 to caring for 10 at home — compared to someone who spent their whole life in a private school studying German, French and Italian — it's not the same.",1611.26,1626.1,{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":106,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":184,"indexable":75},263,"85983","So this changes the entire structure, the power perspective of Brazil, because knowledge is power.",1626.44,1634.62,{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":106,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},264,"85984","Knowledge is what liberates, but knowledge is also what allows one to exercise power.",1635.22,1638.62,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":106,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":164,"indexable":75},265,"85985","So, for me, it was the most, so to speak — when we invaded the elite's temple, it was when we opened the doors of the university.",1639.02,1647.52,{"idx":1649,"utterance_id":1650,"speaker_name":106,"text":1651,"start_s":1652,"end_s":1653,"word_count":127,"indexable":75},266,"85986","And, to me, that's what most enrages the elite.",1647.6,1650.28,{"idx":1655,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":106,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},267,"85987","Having to be deprived of their most exclusive, so to speak, most intimate environment, by people who so challenge their appearance of being of good social standing.",1651.46,1664.02,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":1662,"speaker_name":106,"text":1663,"start_s":1664,"end_s":1665,"word_count":610,"indexable":75},268,"85988","There is a Spanish movement I always watch very closely, because I think what's happening in Europe with the banning of ships carrying immigrants is very sordid; I think the new concentration camps are that. But there is a movement called Open Arms, which are the boats that rescue immigrants, and they made a video similar to this, in which they say, you say, take the immigrants into your home, because you are not able to look at that immigrant and say let him drown.",1664.86,1692.08,{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":106,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":140,"indexable":75},269,"85989","You choose a phrase to disguise how bad you are inside.",1693.58,1697.1,{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":106,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},270,"85990","Look at yourself and tell the truth.",1697.84,1699.22,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":106,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},271,"85991","So those people stayed there trapped, pretending that everything was 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— much remains to be done, but they saw a very significant jump in the last period — this still has not been reflected in the job market.",1719.78,1736.4,{"idx":1709,"utterance_id":1710,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1711,"start_s":1712,"end_s":1713,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},276,"85996","I would like you, as a woman, to help explain this.",1738.5,1743.74,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":190,"indexable":75},277,"85997","What happens when a professional, a woman professional, with an impeccable résumé, the highest grades, a good education.",1744.16,1753.8,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":154,"indexable":75},278,"85998","What happens when she leaves university and goes looking for a 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