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But more important than this being quick is that it enter a data processing",1053.62,1066.34,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},214,"225655","that will allow the civil police to organize the investigation and the military police.",1066.8,1071.76,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},215,"225656","You will locate the receiver of the stolen cell phone.",1071.88,1075.44,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},216,"225657","You need to dismantle the reception network.",1075.8,1079.9,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},217,"225658","The cell phone's email will be quickly available so that no one buys that cell phone.",1080.52,1086.5,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},218,"225659","If that cell phone goes into operation, the person will automatically say where they bought it.",1086.94,1092.04,{"idx":1472,"utterance_id":1473,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1474,"start_s":1475,"end_s":1476,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},219,"225660","the cell phone and know that that cell phone is not legitimate.",1092.84,1095.78,{"idx":1478,"utterance_id":1479,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1480,"start_s":1481,"end_s":1482,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},220,"225661","In fact, the federal government has already put on the internet the emails of stolen cell phones.",1096.06,1100.66,{"idx":1484,"utterance_id":1485,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1486,"start_s":1487,"end_s":1488,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},221,"225662","All of this needs agility and speed.",1101.3,1103.34,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":1491,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1492,"start_s":1493,"end_s":1494,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},222,"225663","And what you see in São Paulo is only slowness.",1104.2,1106.5,{"idx":1496,"utterance_id":1497,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1498,"start_s":1499,"end_s":1500,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},223,"225664","Only slowness.",1107.06,1107.66,{"idx":1502,"utterance_id":1503,"speaker_name":176,"text":1504,"start_s":1505,"end_s":1506,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},224,"225665","Let's already comply and open up a space here for our commentators.",1108.18,1110.84,{"idx":1508,"utterance_id":1509,"speaker_name":176,"text":1510,"start_s":1511,"end_s":1512,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},225,"225666","I'll start with your question, Ellen Brown.",1110.9,1112.6,{"idx":1514,"utterance_id":1515,"speaker_name":176,"text":1516,"start_s":1517,"end_s":1518,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},226,"225667","Welcome.",1112.62,1113.12,{"idx":1520,"utterance_id":1521,"speaker_name":176,"text":1522,"start_s":1523,"end_s":1524,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},227,"225668","Good morning.",1113.28,1113.66,{"idx":1526,"utterance_id":1527,"speaker_name":176,"text":1522,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},228,"225669",1114.2,1114.78,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":176,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},"225670","Candidate, I want to talk a bit about the economy, because the objective economic data bring us something quite curious.",1115.18,1120.56,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":176,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":418,"indexable":179},230,"225671","We have unemployment at very low levels, a real increase in workers' income, but when we follow qualitative research, what I hear from voters is debt, high prices, difficulty maintaining quality of life.",1120.98,1137.08,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":176,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},231,"225672","You were at the head of the Ministry of Finance and I wanted you to tell me... What is your reading?",1137.64,1143.2,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":176,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":240,"indexable":179},232,"225673","Why doesn't the improvement in income translate more here in Brazil into an improvement in quality of life, a perception of improved quality of life?",1143.28,1152.72,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},233,"225674","Well, first of all, we took over very messed up accounts from Bolsonaro.",1154.02,1159.2,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},234,"225675","Bolsonaro left a liability that I would say, if you add up the stock of defaults he left plus what he contracted for future spending.",1159.88,1169.88,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},235,"225676","We are talking about something around 300 billion.",1170.4,1172.86,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},236,"225677","And I will go point by point to what you refer to.",1174.14,1178.08,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},237,"225678","The budget he sent for 2023 already had a deficit of 60-some billion.",1178.52,1185.38,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},238,"225679","Let's round to 60.",1185.9,1187.98,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},239,"225680","Then there was a default on precatórios of more than 40.",1188.32,1191.64,{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},240,"225681","And Bolsa Família was underestimated, because he changed the Bolsa Família amount in the middle of the election calendar.",1192.76,1200.62,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},241,"225682","it was underestimated by another 50 billion.",1201.1,1203.22,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},242,"225683","Then you take the expenses he contracted for assistance and education, basically Fundeb and BPC, you have the balanced account that I'm telling you about.",1204.64,1213.96,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},243,"225684","So there were very hard years in the federal government to fix that account.",1214.52,1218.14,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},"225685","The budget that goes to next year, to Congress, goes with a surplus, unlike what Bolsonaro sent to Congress for 2023.",1218.58,1226.78,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},245,"225686","That is, whoever is president will receive in 2027 accounts much better than President Lula received in 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production.",1255.24,1257.66,{"idx":1655,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},250,"225691","So, I want to believe, you can look at the glass half empty or half full, but that we are in a much better condition today than we were four years ago, I have no doubt.",1258.5,1270.28,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":1662,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1663,"start_s":1664,"end_s":1665,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},251,"225692","Both from the standpoint of public finances and from the standpoint of future growth potential.",1270.74,1275.64,{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":176,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},252,"225693","Lucas Merreiro.",1276.46,1276.98,{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},253,"225694","Candidate, returning to talk about public security, since you, in an interview, said you wanted to be the public security candidate.",1277.84,1283.96,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":373,"indexable":179},254,"225695","The problem is that your party, PT, has historically always voted against tougher punitive measures or measures that change the Code of Criminal Procedure to prevent sentence progression, temporary releases (\"saidinhas\"), among others.",1284.4,1296.46,{"idx":1685,"utterance_id":1686,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1687,"start_s":1688,"end_s":1689,"word_count":15,"indexable":179},255,"225696","Indeed, during the PT government at the federal level, criminal organizations strengthened, professionalized, took over new trafficking routes, even dominated... even territories, in various places around 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governor's.",1353.92,1366.42,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},262,"225703","And who should be supporting the security PEC to divide responsibilities with the federal government is the governor, who rejected federal support.",1367.06,1378.78,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},263,"225704","I don't know why.",1379.5,1380.16,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},264,"225705","The largest operation against organized crime ever carried out was Carbono Oculto, which was sponsored by the Federal Revenue Service, by chance during my 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facts.",1439.82,1444.84,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},271,"225712","I think, as I've already said here, if you continue with this degree of impunity, you can increase sentences, lower the age of criminal responsibility.",1445.36,1457.44,{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},272,"225713","You can do whatever you want.",1457.64,1459.1,{"idx":1793,"utterance_id":1794,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1795,"start_s":1796,"end_s":1797,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},273,"225714","As long as there is impunity in 95% or more of crimes.",1459.74,1466.38,{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},274,"225715","Imagine, in São Paulo, homicide was resolved in only one out of every three cases.",1467.1,1472.62,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},275,"225716","In the developed world, here in the Federal District of Brazil, more than 90% of homicides are solved.",1473.92,1481.34,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},276,"225717","In São Paulo it reached 31%.",1481.86,1483.82,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},277,"225718","The latest figure I have from Sol da Paz is 31%.",1484,1488.38,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},"225719","That is, if the governor... I didn't say that I want to be the public security candidate.",1489.08,1493.3,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},279,"225720","I said that I want to be the governor of public security.",1493.86,1496.74,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},280,"225721","Because there is no public security candidate.",1497.5,1499.46,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},281,"225722","Now, when has a candidate presented an executive plan with the level of detail that we presented days ago?",1499.72,1508.04,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},282,"225723","When did that happen?",1508.68,1509.74,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},283,"225724","In any election.",1510.1,1510.84,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},284,"225725","So, I want to do a serious job and I, thank God, when I went through the Ministry of Finance and Education, I left things organized.",1511.72,1521.54,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},285,"225726","São Paulo received an investment grade thanks to the fiscal recovery that was carried out in my administration.",1522.76,1529.58,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},286,"225727","São Paulo's master plan is considered one of the best in the world.",1529.92,1532.66,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},287,"225728","And I'm telling you, if that plan I presented days ago is executed... We will have quick results in public security.",1533.46,1541.88,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},288,"225729","We won't have this feeling of insecurity all over the place — femicide skyrocketing, racism exploding.",1542.28,1548.96,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},289,"225730","The numbers are staggering in São Paulo.",1549.9,1553.72,{"idx":1894,"utterance_id":1895,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1896,"start_s":1897,"end_s":1898,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},290,"225731","And we need to hold those who are responsible to account.",1554.5,1558.44,{"idx":1900,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},291,"225732","There is no escaping the accountability of those who are in charge of public security in the State.",1558.74,1563.84,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":176,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},"225733","Merreiro, do you want to make just some... a quick point, my friend?",1564.06,1567.52,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":176,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},293,"225734","Yes, briefly, candidate.",1567.56,1569.02,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":176,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},294,"225735","Just to refresh your memory, since you said you don't recall this fact that was so serious.",1569.04,1572.84,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":176,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},295,"225736","Luciane Barbosa de Farias, known as the \"Dama do Tráfico\", visited the Ministry of Justice in Brasília in 2023.",1573.18,1578.76,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":176,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},296,"225737","It was one of the first major scandals of this third Lula administration.",1579,1583.5,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":176,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},297,"225738","Other members linked to the PCC, NGOs linked to the PCC, also visited ministries.",1583.84,1588.96,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":176,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},298,"225739","So, I would like a somewhat clearer answer.",1589.24,1591.34,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":176,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},299,"225740","Do you consider this an error by the PT?",1593.12,1594.64,{"idx":494,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":176,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},"225741","Would you not do that if elected governor, or would those people have access to the Palace in the state government?",1595.2,1602.34,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":176,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},301,"225742","Neither access to the Palace, nor access to the General Command of the Military Police.",1602.9,1607.02,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":176,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},302,"225743","Because you should also ask that question of those who are in the state government.",1607.82,1611.76,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":176,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},"225744","And you will have the opportunity to do so tomorrow.",1612.94,1614.76,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":176,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},304,"225745","He will still have to stop wearing that cassock.",1614.78,1616,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":176,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},305,"225746","Jess?",1617.12,1617.5,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":176,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},306,"225747","Jess Peixoto.",1617.52,1618.06,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":176,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},307,"225748","Hello, minister, how are you?",1618.08,1620.24,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":176,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},308,"225749","My question is about something that is on everyone's lips in Brazil at the moment and is closely linked to your time at the Ministry of Finance.",1620.3,1628.82,{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":176,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},309,"225750","The situation of the bets.",1629.16,1630.42,{"idx":2011,"utterance_id":2012,"speaker_name":176,"text":2013,"start_s":2014,"end_s":2015,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},310,"225751","And here, to be specific, I'll split it into two groups.",1630.54,1634,{"idx":2017,"utterance_id":2018,"speaker_name":176,"text":2019,"start_s":2020,"end_s":2021,"word_count":406,"indexable":179},311,"225752","The bets that come from groups betting on real sporting events, such as football, and online games, virtual slot machines, such as the most well-known example in society, the \"tigrinho\" game.",1634.5,1647.86,{"idx":2023,"utterance_id":2024,"speaker_name":176,"text":2025,"start_s":2026,"end_s":2027,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},312,"225753","When asked about this, you tend to state the fact that this was legalized?",1648.16,1653.86,{"idx":2029,"utterance_id":2030,"speaker_name":176,"text":2031,"start_s":2032,"end_s":2033,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},313,"225754","The part concerning real sports betting, the real events, was legalized under Michel Temer's government.",1653.9,1659.66,{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":176,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},314,"225755","But you forget to mention that as for random, chance-based games, those slot machines like the Tigrinho, they were legalized in the Lula government based on a mobilization logic that included the PT's base.",1660.08,1674.7,{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":176,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},315,"225756","So much so that the PT, in both houses, defended the amendment that added these games which we know today are a... pandemic, as you yourself called it.",1675.32,1685.74,{"idx":2047,"utterance_id":2048,"speaker_name":176,"text":2049,"start_s":2050,"end_s":2051,"word_count":526,"indexable":179},316,"225757","In retrospect, given that the Ministry of Finance did not veto, there was no suggestion of a veto to President Lula; there was even a report from the Ministry of Finance that was used by one of the rapporteurs in the Chamber of Deputies, which mentioned that it was already known that around 70% of the revenue would come... from these games that do so much harm to society.",1686.24,1710.54,{"idx":2053,"utterance_id":2054,"speaker_name":176,"text":2055,"start_s":2056,"end_s":2057,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},317,"225758","But you believed and defended that the revenue benefit would be extremely high, reaching about 6 billion, if I'm not mistaken, in an interview with Globo 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I'm against electronic gambling of any kind.",1733.26,1737.78,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},321,"225762","I am not in favor.",1738.32,1739.72,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},322,"225763","I think Bolsonaro was very wrong to leave everything allowed.",1739.74,1744.2,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},323,"225764","It's not just any game.",1744.92,1746.72,{"idx":2094,"utterance_id":2095,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2096,"start_s":2097,"end_s":2098,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},324,"225765","Bolsonaro, to give you an idea, spent four years doing nothing about it.",1747.34,1752.38,{"idx":2100,"utterance_id":2101,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2102,"start_s":2103,"end_s":2104,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},325,"225766","This became an industry that sustains the media, that sustains football teams.",1752.98,1759.64,{"idx":2106,"utterance_id":2107,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2108,"start_s":2109,"end_s":2110,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},326,"225767","I don't know how many media outlets... would survive without betting advertising.",1760.4,1767.14,{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2114,"start_s":2115,"end_s":2116,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},327,"225768","And today there is a large media lobby to prevent the end of the bets, because they claim they would go bankrupt without gambling 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wrong.",1795.24,1797.68,{"idx":2136,"utterance_id":2137,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2138,"start_s":2139,"end_s":2140,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},331,"225772","Now, the Ministry of Finance can't leave a legalized activity untaxed.",1798.42,1811.02,{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},332,"225773","Because everyone, I pay taxes, you pay taxes.",1811.6,1814.48,{"idx":2148,"utterance_id":2149,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2150,"start_s":2151,"end_s":2152,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},333,"225774","And this country lived four years under the Bolsonaro government without charging taxes on betting.",1814.94,1821.12,{"idx":2154,"utterance_id":2155,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2156,"start_s":2157,"end_s":2158,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},334,"225775","And letting it run unchecked.",1822.02,1823.34,{"idx":2160,"utterance_id":2161,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2162,"start_s":2163,"end_s":2164,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},335,"225776","Children were placing bets.",1823.9,1825.6,{"idx":2166,"utterance_id":2167,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2168,"start_s":2169,"end_s":2170,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},336,"225777","Beneficiaries of social programs, like Bolsa Família, could place bets.",1827.1,1833.6,{"idx":2172,"utterance_id":2173,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2174,"start_s":2175,"end_s":2176,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},337,"225778","In other words, it was a situation of total neglect.",1834.26,1837.38,{"idx":2178,"utterance_id":2179,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2180,"start_s":2181,"end_s":2182,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},338,"225779","And curiously, Bolsonaro was never questioned about that.",1838,1841.94,{"idx":2184,"utterance_id":2185,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2186,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2188,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},339,"225780","He was never questioned.",1842.26,1843.32,{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},340,"225781","He spent four years doing nothing.",1844.3,1846.38,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},341,"225782","You know who the political parties involved with bets are.",1847.16,1850.52,{"idx":2202,"utterance_id":2203,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2204,"start_s":2205,"end_s":2206,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},342,"225783","I doubt you have any doubt about which politicians are associated with betting.",1851.26,1858.08,{"idx":2208,"utterance_id":2209,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2210,"start_s":2211,"end_s":2212,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},343,"225784","As far as I know, no PT politician is associated with betting.",1858.64,1862.48,{"idx":2214,"utterance_id":2215,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2216,"start_s":2217,"end_s":2218,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},344,"225785","But I know parties from the base, including that of Governor Tarcísio, that have associations with betting.",1862.92,1868.56,{"idx":2220,"utterance_id":2221,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2222,"start_s":2223,"end_s":2224,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},345,"225786","This is not illegal.",1869.12,1870,{"idx":2226,"utterance_id":2227,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2228,"start_s":2229,"end_s":2230,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},346,"225787","I'm saying this because you made a provocation and a serious accusation.",1870.6,1875.62,{"idx":2232,"utterance_id":2233,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2234,"start_s":2235,"end_s":2236,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},347,"225788","But I can tell you that in Tarcísio's base... There are many people who work with betting in the National Congress.",1876.24,1883.44,{"idx":2238,"utterance_id":2239,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2240,"start_s":2241,"end_s":2242,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},348,"225789","I was never approached, I never received a PT lawmaker talking about betting.",1883.98,1890.4,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},349,"225790","And unfortunately I received lawmakers from the parties in Tarcísio's base who defend betting.",1891,1897.54,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},350,"225791","They were even against taxing betting, unfortunately.",1897.94,1902.22,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},351,"225792","They wanted that activity to be exempt from tax.",1902.5,1905.82,{"idx":2262,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},352,"225793","And I am against the betes.",1905.98,1907.66,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},353,"225794","And against Bete operating without paying tax.",1908.24,1910.62,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},354,"225795","That is my personal position.",1910.7,1912.12,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":176,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},355,"225796","Candidate, during the definition of your candidacy, there was a lot of behind-the-scenes reporting in the press about your lack of willingness to run for the government of the State of São Paulo.",1912.44,1920.52,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":176,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},356,"225797","Some even joked about a coercive candidacy, making a comparison with a coercive escort when a person is taken to testify at the Federal Police.",1921,1930.42,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":176,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},357,"225798","I would like to know what you would say to the voter who looks at your... willingness to be governor of São Paulo with distrust.",1930.98,1941.22,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":176,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},358,"225799","And you can speak directly to the audience.",1941.24,1943.38,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},359,"225800","Look, I will never do what Tarcísio did.",1944.5,1947.9,{"idx":2310,"utterance_id":2311,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2312,"start_s":2313,"end_s":2314,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},360,"225801","Tarcísio came here imposed by Bolsonaro, he wanted to be senator for Goiás, and effectively he did not govern.",1948.44,1956.66,{"idx":2316,"utterance_id":2317,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2318,"start_s":2319,"end_s":2320,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},361,"225802","The State of São Paulo is growing 0.5% per year, compared to 2.3% for Brazil.",1957.36,1964.08,{"idx":2322,"utterance_id":2323,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2324,"start_s":2325,"end_s":2326,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},362,"225803","The State of São Paulo fell to tenth place.",1964.76,1967.22,{"idx":2328,"utterance_id":2329,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2330,"start_s":2331,"end_s":2332,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},363,"225804","in education, a State that once led the quality 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do.",2316.78,2321.8,{"idx":2710,"utterance_id":2711,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2712,"start_s":2713,"end_s":2714,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},427,"225868","When I took office here at the São Paulo City Hall, I reviewed several contracts, I cited some.",2322.5,2326.26,{"idx":2716,"utterance_id":2717,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2718,"start_s":2719,"end_s":2720,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},428,"225869","The Controlar contract was a concession.",2326.74,2329.06,{"idx":2722,"utterance_id":2723,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2724,"start_s":2725,"end_s":2726,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},429,"225870","The Roberto Marinho tunnel was a project that, according to my Secretary of Works, was contracted at 50% more than it was worth.",2329.6,2338.34,{"idx":2728,"utterance_id":2729,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2730,"start_s":2731,"end_s":2732,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},430,"225871","And I went reviewing 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document, the outsourced contracts, all inflated.",2424.62,2430.38,{"idx":2818,"utterance_id":2819,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2820,"start_s":2821,"end_s":2822,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},445,"225886","So we will have to open up that issue.",2431.1,2433,{"idx":2824,"utterance_id":2825,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2826,"start_s":2827,"end_s":2828,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},446,"225887","Another thing that annoys me, that I see, is that Tarcísio did not put on the internet the tax benefits that he grants to... 1% of the companies.",2433.4,2443.1,{"idx":2830,"utterance_id":2831,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2832,"start_s":2833,"end_s":2834,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},447,"225888","Tax benefits, São Paulo has thousands of companies, millions of companies.",2443.94,2448.9,{"idx":2836,"utterance_id":2837,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2838,"start_s":2839,"end_s":2840,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},448,"225889","He gives tax benefits to some of them.",2449.34,2451.42,{"idx":2842,"utterance_id":2843,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2844,"start_s":2845,"end_s":2846,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},449,"225890","And he is not able to put on the internet who he gives the tax benefit to and why.",2451.9,2456.06,{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},450,"225891","Including, there are companies in São Paulo that do tax planning consulting and pressure the State government.",2457.02,2468.2,{"idx":696,"utterance_id":2854,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2855,"start_s":2856,"end_s":2857,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},"225892","So, there are specialized companies.",2468.88,2471.04,{"idx":2859,"utterance_id":2860,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2861,"start_s":2862,"end_s":2863,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},452,"225893","in obtaining tax benefits.",2471.5,2473.2,{"idx":2865,"utterance_id":2866,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2867,"start_s":2868,"end_s":2869,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},453,"225894","There's nothing better than putting everything that is granted on the internet: to whom it is granted, why it is granted, how I did in the federal government.",2474.1,2482.42,{"idx":2871,"utterance_id":2872,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2873,"start_s":2874,"end_s":2875,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},454,"225895","You go online, you completely opened the black box.",2482.44,2486.3,{"idx":2877,"utterance_id":2878,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2879,"start_s":2880,"end_s":2881,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},455,"225896","You know to whom you gave a benefit, why you gave it, and you have it reviewed.",2486.32,2491.38,{"idx":2883,"utterance_id":2884,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2885,"start_s":2886,"end_s":2887,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},456,"225897","That's what Tarcísio is being untruthful about.",2493.7,2496.6,{"idx":2889,"utterance_id":2890,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2891,"start_s":2892,"end_s":2893,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},457,"225898","Saying there was a tax increase, no — it was a review of tax benefits for... for the king's friends.",2496.68,2504.24,{"idx":2895,"utterance_id":2896,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2897,"start_s":2898,"end_s":2899,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},458,"225899","That is the truth.",2504.98,2505.76,{"idx":2901,"utterance_id":2902,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2903,"start_s":2904,"end_s":2905,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},459,"225900","Reviewing tax benefits has nothing to do with a tax 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exemptions.",2522.28,2527.38,{"idx":2931,"utterance_id":2932,"speaker_name":176,"text":2933,"start_s":2934,"end_s":2935,"word_count":412,"indexable":179},464,"225905","Well, we have 19 more minutes of questioning; I'll hand back to our commentators once more and ask you to be objective in your questions so we can move along and open up more space for questions about the government plan.",2527.92,2538.42,{"idx":2937,"utterance_id":2938,"speaker_name":176,"text":2939,"start_s":2940,"end_s":2941,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},465,"225906","Go ahead, Ellen Brown.",2538.46,2539.6,{"idx":2943,"utterance_id":2944,"speaker_name":176,"text":2945,"start_s":2946,"end_s":2947,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},466,"225907","Let's continue then on the economy.",2539.62,2541.02,{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":176,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},467,"225908","You talk about that contract review of Sabesp, but I wanted to understand, because, for example, the State's own budget, as you mentioned, allows for ambiguous readings.",2541.42,2549.82,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":176,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},468,"225909","We talk about a budget deficit, but at the same time, when you look at the sale of Sabesp that year, there was a gain in the coffers.",2549.9,2559.86,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":176,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},469,"225910","Where will the money, the resources, come from for you to run São Paulo if there are no privatizations, if there is a re-nationalization of Sabesp?",2560.32,2568.46,{"idx":2967,"utterance_id":2968,"speaker_name":176,"text":2969,"start_s":2970,"end_s":2971,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},470,"225911","Where do you intend to get that money?",2568.8,2570.66,{"idx":2973,"utterance_id":2974,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2975,"start_s":2976,"end_s":2977,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},471,"225912","It's not true that you should manage the State thinking of selling public assets to raise cash.",2571.86,2577.56,{"idx":2979,"utterance_id":2980,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2981,"start_s":2982,"end_s":2983,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},472,"225913","I think that concept of economy is mistaken.",2578.3,2580.7,{"idx":2985,"utterance_id":2986,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2987,"start_s":2988,"end_s":2989,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},473,"225914","I believe private partnerships have to be done thinking about the user of the public service.",2582.92,2589.02,{"idx":2991,"utterance_id":2992,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2993,"start_s":2994,"end_s":2995,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},474,"225915","And not to raise cash.",2589.68,2591,{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2999,"start_s":3000,"end_s":3001,"word_count":406,"indexable":179},475,"225916","Because if that's the case, you will end up selling all the country's public assets to look good in the public's eyes, as if you're going to make money, but at the same time your successor won't have assets to sell.",2591.8,2604.92,{"idx":3003,"utterance_id":3004,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3005,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3007,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},476,"225917","So what is the principle that should govern public administration?",2605.72,2609.86,{"idx":3009,"utterance_id":3010,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3011,"start_s":3012,"end_s":3013,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},477,"225918","You have to have a balanced budget, cut waste, and there is a lot of waste to cut.",2610.4,2615.94,{"idx":3015,"utterance_id":3016,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3017,"start_s":3018,"end_s":3019,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},478,"225919","And create a surplus in the coffers for more investment.",2616.86,2619.24,{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},479,"225920","And not sell state-owned companies to plug the hole in your majesty's coffers.",2619.82,2625.8,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},480,"225921","That's the issue.",2627.4,2628.12,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},481,"225922","To sell a public asset instead of doing the homework regarding current expenditures — I don't agree with that view.",2628.3,2639,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},482,"225923","I didn't sell anything while mayor of São Paulo and I ended up with an investment-grade rating.",2639.36,2644.42,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":3045,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3046,"start_s":3047,"end_s":3048,"word_count":303,"indexable":179},"225924","Even before the debt review we promoted, I had been the mayor who invested the most in the city of São Paulo compared with my predecessors, since PITA.",2647.24,2657.02,{"idx":3050,"utterance_id":3051,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3052,"start_s":3053,"end_s":3054,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},484,"225925","And I didn't sell anything.",2657.74,2658.58,{"idx":3056,"utterance_id":3057,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3058,"start_s":3059,"end_s":3060,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},485,"225926","I didn't sell anything.",2659.52,2660.14,{"idx":3062,"utterance_id":3063,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3064,"start_s":3065,"end_s":3066,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},486,"225927","Now, after the debt renegotiation, investment grew, because a 74-billion-real debt disappeared from the city's balance sheet.",2660.62,2674,{"idx":3068,"utterance_id":3069,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3070,"start_s":3071,"end_s":3072,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},487,"225928","For two reasons.",2674.4,2675.3,{"idx":3074,"utterance_id":3075,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3076,"start_s":3077,"end_s":3078,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},488,"225929","One was the renegotiation that I carried out in the National Congress.",2676.2,2679.08,{"idx":3080,"utterance_id":3081,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3082,"start_s":3083,"end_s":3084,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},489,"225930","The debt fell from 74 to 27 billion.",2679.76,2683.32,{"idx":3086,"utterance_id":3087,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3088,"start_s":3089,"end_s":3090,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},490,"225931","And the other was a claim from Adhemar de Barros, from the 1950s, that ended now, 70 years later, which liquidated the debt.",2683.76,2691.74,{"idx":3092,"utterance_id":3093,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3094,"start_s":3095,"end_s":3096,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},491,"225932","And São Paulo is already indebting itself again.",2692.42,2694.2,{"idx":3098,"utterance_id":3099,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3100,"start_s":3101,"end_s":3102,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},492,"225933","The capital is already owing more than 50 billion after having zeroed out the debt.",2694.22,2697.66,{"idx":3104,"utterance_id":3105,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3106,"start_s":3107,"end_s":3108,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},493,"225934","So, I think like this: neither overindebt yourself, as is happening with the São Paulo City Hall,",2698.08,2703.92,{"idx":3110,"utterance_id":3111,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3112,"start_s":3113,"end_s":3114,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},494,"225935","nor keep selling assets to plug the hole caused by mismanagement.",2704.46,2709.58,{"idx":3116,"utterance_id":3117,"speaker_name":176,"text":3118,"start_s":3119,"end_s":3120,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},495,"225936","Candidate, I want to talk a little about your education program, which brings interesting details in the sense of proposing a complete review",2710.5,2716.96,{"idx":3122,"utterance_id":3123,"speaker_name":176,"text":3124,"start_s":3125,"end_s":3126,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},496,"225937","of the pedagogical situation, mainly because of the excessive use of screens in teaching.",2717.58,2723.84,{"idx":3128,"utterance_id":3129,"speaker_name":176,"text":3130,"start_s":3131,"end_s":3132,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},497,"225938","And you also talk about valuing teachers.",2724.28,2727.08,{"idx":3134,"utterance_id":3135,"speaker_name":176,"text":3136,"start_s":3137,"end_s":3138,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},498,"225939","Many people talk about valuing teachers, but when they take office they can't actually offer value in monetary terms to teachers.",2727.58,2736.88,{"idx":3140,"utterance_id":3141,"speaker_name":176,"text":3142,"start_s":3143,"end_s":3144,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},499,"225940","How would this proposal to reduce screen time and adapt to a new pedagogical model that also meets teaching demands with proper valuation look?",2737.72,2746.14,{"idx":3146,"utterance_id":3147,"speaker_name":176,"text":3148,"start_s":3149,"end_s":3150,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},500,"225941","In money, in cash, in bufunfa for the teachers.",2746.54,2749.22,{"idx":3152,"utterance_id":3153,"speaker_name":176,"text":3154,"start_s":3155,"end_s":3156,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},501,"225942","Bufunfa is good.",2750.96,2753.72,{"idx":3158,"utterance_id":3159,"speaker_name":176,"text":3160,"start_s":3161,"end_s":3162,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},502,"225943","To be very practical and direct.",2753.74,2755.22,{"idx":3164,"utterance_id":3165,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3166,"start_s":3167,"end_s":3168,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},503,"225944","First, the State was wrong from a pedagogical point of view.",2755.32,2762.28,{"idx":3170,"utterance_id":3171,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3172,"start_s":3173,"end_s":3174,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},504,"225945","This is not normal.",2763.82,2764.5,{"idx":3176,"utterance_id":3177,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3178,"start_s":3179,"end_s":3180,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},505,"225946","A State that was once a leader in education quality is in tenth place.",2765.52,2768.96,{"idx":3182,"utterance_id":3183,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3184,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},506,"225947","That's not normal.",2769.72,2770.26,{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},507,"225948","And I believe, in talking with the teachers and principals I know,",2771.12,2775.48,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},508,"225949","that the problem was the political-pedagogical project.",2775.98,2778.5,{"idx":3200,"utterance_id":3201,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3202,"start_s":3203,"end_s":3204,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},509,"225950","This thing with slides — you replace the textbook with slides.",2778.9,2783.04,{"idx":3206,"utterance_id":3207,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3208,"start_s":3209,"end_s":3210,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},510,"225951","This bureaucratization thing — it's not because you have a platform that you're modern.",2783.8,2789.8,{"idx":3212,"utterance_id":3213,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3214,"start_s":3215,"end_s":3216,"word_count":394,"indexable":179},511,"225952","If you bureaucratize filling out the platform as it is today, you are occupying teachers with the precious time to prepare lessons and assess students one by one; you are replacing that with chaos inside the classroom.",2790.46,2805.5,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},512,"225953","A third of São Paulo's schools don't even have sufficient broadband for filling in the platforms that the Secretariat of Education 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I'm happy to clarify.",2997.08,3002.44,{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":176,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":406,"indexable":179},555,"225996","It was even put forward by a member of your party who today runs a specific program for treating addiction to those random online bets, like the 'Tigrinho' game, which were legalized at the cost of revenue under the Lula government.",3002.98,3018.5,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},556,"225997","Look, I'm against gambling.",3019.36,3021.72,{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},557,"225998","Against gambling.",3021.74,3022.42,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},558,"225999","Any kind of gambling.",3023,3023.7,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},559,"226000","I'm against it.",3024.04,3024.7,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},560,"226001","If I had been in previous governments, I wouldn't have allowed gambling to prosper.",3025.48,3032.16,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":181,"indexable":179},561,"226002","All of them.",3032.86,3033.24,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},562,"226003","You may have a preference for one form of gambling; I don't have any.",3033.46,3036.38,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},563,"226004","This one is better than that one.",3037.78,3038.82,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},564,"226005","I don't think any of them are good.",3038.92,3039.9,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},565,"226006","I think they're all bad.",3040.66,3041.64,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},566,"226007","Especially the electronic ones.",3043.84,3045.06,{"idx":3548,"utterance_id":3549,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3550,"start_s":3551,"end_s":3552,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},567,"226008","They're far too accessible.",3045.92,3047.4,{"idx":3554,"utterance_id":3555,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3556,"start_s":3557,"end_s":3558,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},568,"226009","People will get addicted, for sure.",3048,3049.56,{"idx":3560,"utterance_id":3561,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3562,"start_s":3563,"end_s":3564,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},569,"226010","They have an addiction algorithm.",3050,3054.84,{"idx":3566,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},570,"226011","Many people are addicted to Instagram.",3056.32,3058.02,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},571,"226012","Being addicted is already bad for your health.",3059,3060.84,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},572,"226013","But imagine that applied to gambling.",3061.18,3062.84,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},573,"226014","That's ruinous, in my opinion.",3063.86,3066.36,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},574,"226015","I think we have to seriously discuss banning this.",3066.98,3072.64,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},575,"226016","I've said this many times; I'm not just saying it now.",3073.2,3075.28,{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":176,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},576,"226017","Do you intend to take action to ban gambling here in the State of São Paulo if elected governor?",3075.38,3079.14,{"idx":3608,"utterance_id":3609,"speaker_name":176,"text":3610,"start_s":3611,"end_s":3612,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},577,"226018","There's no way.",3079.16,3079.44,{"idx":3614,"utterance_id":3615,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3610,"start_s":3616,"end_s":3617,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},578,"226019",3079.7,3080.4,{"idx":3619,"utterance_id":3620,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3621,"start_s":3622,"end_s":3623,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},579,"226020","There's no point in lying to the public.",3080.54,3082.06,{"idx":3625,"utterance_id":3626,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3627,"start_s":3628,"end_s":3629,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},580,"226021","You can't prohibit it in a single state.",3082.28,3084.68,{"idx":3631,"utterance_id":3632,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3633,"start_s":3634,"end_s":3635,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},581,"226022","Because if it's approved nationally, it will be in effect here.",3085.46,3088.7,{"idx":3637,"utterance_id":3638,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3639,"start_s":3640,"end_s":3641,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},582,"226023","What you can... is create additional games in the State.",3089.38,3093.86,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3645,"start_s":3646,"end_s":3647,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},583,"226024","That won't happen in São Paulo.",3094.36,3095.94,{"idx":3649,"utterance_id":3650,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3651,"start_s":3652,"end_s":3653,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},584,"226025","And if it's up to me, I won't allow it; I'm not just saying this now.",3096.52,3099.18,{"idx":3655,"utterance_id":3656,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3657,"start_s":3658,"end_s":3659,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},585,"226026","I've been saying this for two years.",3099.48,3102.24,{"idx":3661,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":269,"indexable":179},586,"226027","My first statement, when I saw the size of the hole—the size of the problem.",3102.34,3107.54,{"idx":3667,"utterance_id":3668,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3669,"start_s":3670,"end_s":3671,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},587,"226028","Because the Bolsonaro government, of which Tarcísio was a part, didn't care about what was happening.",3108.28,3113.78,{"idx":3673,"utterance_id":3674,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3675,"start_s":3676,"end_s":3677,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},588,"226029","There were people making money, their friends making money, and it was all fine.",3114.08,3118.08,{"idx":3679,"utterance_id":3680,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3681,"start_s":3682,"end_s":3683,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},589,"226030","I was the one who put my hand into the hornet's nest.",3118.5,3120.06,{"idx":3685,"utterance_id":3686,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3687,"start_s":3688,"end_s":3689,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},590,"226031","as Finance Minister.",3120.54,3121.44,{"idx":3691,"utterance_id":3692,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3693,"start_s":3694,"end_s":3695,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},591,"226032","When I saw the scale of the problem, I called it a pandemic and said, it's better to ban it.",3121.84,3126.84,{"idx":3697,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},592,"226033","No amount of revenue justifies the damage this does to society.",3127.44,3131.38,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},593,"226034","So, I don't have a favorite form of gambling.",3131.74,3133.76,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},594,"226035","Ah, this one is allowed, that one isn't; this one's cute, that one isn't cute.",3134.12,3138.12,{"idx":3715,"utterance_id":3716,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3717,"start_s":3718,"end_s":3719,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},595,"226036","Don't count on me to support any electronic gambling; for two years, since I discovered the harm it does... I'm in favor of banning it.",3138.8,3146.88,{"idx":3721,"utterance_id":3722,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3723,"start_s":3724,"end_s":3725,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},596,"226037","Candidate, I'd also like to speak with you briefly about transportation.",3147.38,3150.66,{"idx":3727,"utterance_id":3728,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3729,"start_s":3730,"end_s":3731,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},597,"226038","Our marginals are clogged today; when they were created, they were a solution to take traffic out of central São Paulo.",3150.68,3157.12,{"idx":3733,"utterance_id":3734,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3735,"start_s":3736,"end_s":3737,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},598,"226039","The highways that lead to the state capital, for example, too.",3157.84,3161.02,{"idx":3739,"utterance_id":3740,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3741,"start_s":3742,"end_s":3743,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},599,"226040","We even joke that it's Raposo Travares and not Tavares.",3161.38,3164.14,{"idx":3745,"utterance_id":3746,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3747,"start_s":3748,"end_s":3749,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},600,"226041","And so on.",3164.82,3165.72,{"idx":3751,"utterance_id":3752,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3753,"start_s":3754,"end_s":3755,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},601,"226042","Is there any solution to mitigate this?",3166.52,3168.96,{"idx":3757,"utterance_id":3758,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3759,"start_s":3760,"end_s":3761,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},602,"226043","And could the rail sector receive support in your future government to help alleviate this situation?",3169.04,3174.76,{"idx":3763,"utterance_id":3764,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3765,"start_s":3766,"end_s":3767,"word_count":291,"indexable":179},603,"226044","Look, the idea of the intercity train is old; it's actually Alckmin's, and it was only made viable because we have at the federal government someone who believes in the Growth Acceleration Plan.",3175.08,3189.9,{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},604,"226045","Without the PAC, none of this would exist.",3190.62,3192.4,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},605,"226046","There's no Santos–Guarujá tunnel, no intercity train, no metro, no CPTM, nothing.",3192.88,3199.58,{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},606,"226047","The PAC is what ensures 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opposition.",3235.36,3237.58,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},615,"226056","We don't care about that.",3237.94,3238.84,{"idx":3841,"utterance_id":3842,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3843,"start_s":3844,"end_s":3845,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},616,"226057","We care about improving the living conditions of the people of São Paulo, and we have done that.",3239.2,3243.68,{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":235,"indexable":179},617,"226058","Moreover, we also have money to finish the Rodoanel.",3244.88,3247.98,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},618,"226059","Another term that passes with the promise to finish the Rodoanel—he delivered half of the Rodoanel 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and left it with the municipality 10 years ago.",3269.8,3275.22,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},623,"226064","Nothing moves at the state government, because you have to approve an access ramp to the new CEA GESP.",3275.86,3282.4,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},624,"226065","I don't even know if that has been defined by the state government.",3282.82,3288.1,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3894,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3895,"start_s":3896,"end_s":3897,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},"226066","So there's a lot of delay.",3288.42,3289.6,{"idx":3899,"utterance_id":3900,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3901,"start_s":3902,"end_s":3903,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},626,"226067","It's an astonishing slowness on strategic decisions that must be 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interior of the State, given that today that's where the highest rate of disapproval, or rather the lack of voting intention for your candidacy, is.",3301.4,3314.3,{"idx":3935,"utterance_id":3936,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3937,"start_s":3938,"end_s":3939,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},632,"226073","Look, first of all, I'm going to create a line item in the budget.",3314.82,3319,{"idx":3941,"utterance_id":3942,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3943,"start_s":3944,"end_s":3945,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},633,"226074","for half of the municipalities in São Paulo with small populations.",3319.64,3323.06,{"idx":3947,"utterance_id":3948,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":3949,"start_s":3950,"end_s":3951,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},634,"226075","I've been touring the interior, and every mayor of towns with 20–25 thousand inhabitants—that's half the 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my schedule at MEC, at the Ministry of Finance, and see how many mayors I've met.",3364.3,3370.02,{"idx":930,"utterance_id":4001,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4002,"start_s":4003,"end_s":4004,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},"226084","None. There isn't a mayor who had to ask twice to be received.",3370.92,3376.74,{"idx":4006,"utterance_id":4007,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4008,"start_s":4009,"end_s":4010,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},644,"226085","Add up the loans and PAC and BNDES resources I authorized for the municipalities here in the interior and compare everything we did with other governments, with any other federal government.",3377.6,3392.98,{"idx":4012,"utterance_id":4013,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4014,"start_s":4015,"end_s":4016,"word_count":208,"indexable":179},645,"226086","There's no comparison.",3393.48,3394.72,{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":176,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":315,"indexable":179},646,"226087","And speaking of the interior, what do you intend to do for the agribusiness of the State of São Paulo, which is also quite vibrant in the 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government.",3415.94,3422.3,{"idx":4048,"utterance_id":4049,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4050,"start_s":4051,"end_s":4052,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},651,"226092","Second place.",3422.8,3423.4,{"idx":4054,"utterance_id":4055,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4056,"start_s":4057,"end_s":4058,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},652,"226093","I'm going to take out rural insurance.",3423.84,3425.88,{"idx":4060,"utterance_id":4061,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4062,"start_s":4063,"end_s":4064,"word_count":215,"indexable":179},653,"226094","The federal government runs the Plano Safra.",3427.04,3428.84,{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":305,"indexable":179},654,"226095","You know that we will be, by the end of the year, surpassing the United States in food 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first to sit down to negotiate.",3453.76,3457.68,{"idx":4096,"utterance_id":4097,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4098,"start_s":4099,"end_s":4100,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},659,"226100","Now, everything imposed like that is not acceptable.",3458.22,3460.72,{"idx":4102,"utterance_id":4103,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4104,"start_s":4105,"end_s":4106,"word_count":280,"indexable":179},660,"226101","Even more so with the sponsorship of people from inside here playing the role of traitor to the homeland.",3461.24,3467.18,{"idx":4108,"utterance_id":4109,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4110,"start_s":4111,"end_s":4112,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},661,"226102","It won't do.",3467.3,3467.54,{"idx":4114,"utterance_id":4115,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4116,"start_s":4117,"end_s":4118,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},662,"226103","So, the agricultural insurance will be implemented, we will support the federal Plano Safra with the local insurance.",3468.18,3475.5,{"idx":4120,"utterance_id":4121,"speaker_name":176,"text":4122,"start_s":4123,"end_s":4124,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},663,"226104","Does family farming also enter into this proposal?",3475.6,3477.72,{"idx":4126,"utterance_id":4127,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4128,"start_s":4129,"end_s":4130,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},664,"226105","Especially, because there is no money to make insurance.",3478.3,3481.32,{"idx":4132,"utterance_id":4133,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4134,"start_s":4135,"end_s":4136,"word_count":226,"indexable":179},665,"226106","The issue of roads and signage, the Melhor Caminho program ended during Tarcísio's government.",3481.92,3486.88,{"idx":4138,"utterance_id":4139,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4140,"start_s":4141,"end_s":4142,"word_count":220,"indexable":179},666,"226107","It was a complicated program, there was corruption, but you had to put something decent in its place.",3488.52,3494.24,{"idx":4144,"utterance_id":4145,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4146,"start_s":4147,"end_s":4148,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},667,"226108","So, the Melhor Caminho has to return.",3494.7,3496.84,{"idx":4150,"utterance_id":4151,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4152,"start_s":4153,"end_s":4154,"word_count":247,"indexable":179},668,"226109","And I will review how tolls will be handled.",3496.86,3501.06,{"idx":4156,"utterance_id":4157,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4158,"start_s":4159,"end_s":4160,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},669,"226110","Tolls are sometimes being implemented in an even irresponsible way.",3501.94,3506.44,{"idx":4162,"utterance_id":4163,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4164,"start_s":4165,"end_s":4166,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},670,"226111","There are people who, to go to work without leaving their town, are paying tolls.",3506.5,3510.86,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":233,"indexable":179},"226112","So, we will also have to review the current government's toll policy.",3511.44,3514.82,{"idx":4173,"utterance_id":4174,"speaker_name":176,"text":4175,"start_s":4176,"end_s":4177,"word_count":418,"indexable":179},672,"226113","Candidate, we have reached the final stage of our questioning and we propose one minute for you to speak directly to the audience and say why you should be chosen for the government of the State of São Paulo.",3515.38,3529,{"idx":4179,"utterance_id":4180,"speaker_name":176,"text":4181,"start_s":4182,"end_s":4183,"word_count":202,"indexable":179},673,"226114","One minute on the dot.",3529.42,3530.2,{"idx":4185,"utterance_id":4186,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4187,"start_s":4188,"end_s":4189,"word_count":43,"indexable":179},674,"226115","Look, I ask you, who love São Paulo as I do, to look closely at the data I am giving, because these data... are not so widely publicized.",3530.96,3542.3,{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":286,"indexable":179},675,"226116","But everything I have said here can be checked on Google, by the artificial intelligence of your choice.",3542.74,3548.5,{"idx":4197,"utterance_id":4198,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4199,"start_s":4200,"end_s":4201,"word_count":253,"indexable":179},676,"226117","Ask it before you dismiss the data I am presenting.",3549.1,3553.1,{"idx":4203,"utterance_id":4204,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4205,"start_s":4206,"end_s":4207,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},677,"226118","And it is on the basis of these data that I present myself to you as a candidate for governor.",3553.68,3559.46,{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},678,"226119","I am not resigned to the situation of our State.",3559.48,3563.48,{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},679,"226120","I repeat, the healthcare queues, the quality of education falling.",3563.94,3567.46,{"idx":4221,"utterance_id":4222,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4223,"start_s":4224,"end_s":4225,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},680,"226121","the public safety indicators, especially relating to women, the Black population, the issue of the State's finances and the economy stalling.",3567.92,3576.98,{"idx":4227,"utterance_id":4228,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":4229,"start_s":4230,"end_s":4231,"word_count":228,"indexable":179},681,"226122","São Paulo is growing slowly, offering 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candidate.",3614.92,3623.56,"en",{"job_id":4275,"title":4276,"source_url":4277,"platform":4278,"content_type":4279,"published_at":4280,"duration_sec":4272,"n_classified":4281,"speakers":4282},"52b3c517-f893-4139-ad22-48fa5e91aec5","Sabatina: Haddad responde sobre segurança, saúde, educação, trânsito e propostas para São Paulo","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=dE9WBuK0tzI","youtube","video","2026-08-18T12:32:28Z",689,[4283],{"name":107,"slug":106,"n_falas":3422},"https:\u002F\u002Fi.ytimg.com\u002Fvi\u002FdE9WBuK0tzI\u002Fhqdefault.jpg"]