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member of the PCdoB to govern a state of the federation since the split with the PCB in 1962.",30.4,39.44,20,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":45,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":46,"start_s":47,"end_s":48,"word_count":37,"indexable":14},5,"84978","Good evening, Flávio Dino.",39.6,40.46,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":51,"speaker_name":52,"text":53,"start_s":54,"end_s":55,"word_count":56,"indexable":14},6,"84979","Desconhecido","Good evening, a great pleasure to speak with you.",40.62,42.2,7,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":58,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":59,"start_s":60,"end_s":61,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},"84980","An honor to have you here.",42.24,43.24,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":63,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":64,"start_s":65,"end_s":66,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},"84981","I wanted you to talk a little about the economy, the market itself, the private economy of 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already have an established vocation regarding food production.",67.92,71.78,14,{"idx":96,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":52,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},"84987","Indeed, the growing production of grains, soy, corn, cotton and other products.",72.84,78.86,{"idx":35,"utterance_id":103,"speaker_name":52,"text":104,"start_s":105,"end_s":106,"word_count":107,"indexable":14},"84988","With Brazil's vocation, it is a certain position that Brazil has come to occupy in the world and that is positive, without a doubt.",79.7,86.8,22,{"idx":109,"utterance_id":110,"speaker_name":52,"text":111,"start_s":112,"end_s":113,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},16,"84989","So, in the case of Maranhão, this is seen very clearly.",86.86,91.64,{"idx":13,"utterance_id":115,"speaker_name":52,"text":116,"start_s":117,"end_s":118,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},"84990","We have year-to-year production growth, this year as 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main vertex of this logistical system of that region of the country, able to serve... not only as an export platform for products, but also for importation of products, given that in both cases we have proximity to the world's major consumer and producer centers by the Panama Canal, Asia, the United States, Europe, due to our northern position two degrees north of the Equator.",159.92,199.74,105,{"idx":158,"utterance_id":159,"speaker_name":52,"text":160,"start_s":161,"end_s":162,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},24,"84997","So there are two great vocations: logistical hub and food producer, and we always and continuously seek to diversify.",199.78,207.08,{"idx":164,"utterance_id":165,"speaker_name":52,"text":166,"start_s":167,"end_s":168,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},25,"84998","this economic matrix, seeking to add conditions for the verticalization of productive chains, which is our main 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still.",279.54,281.78,{"idx":208,"utterance_id":209,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":210,"start_s":211,"end_s":212,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},32,"85005","I see... conflicting information in the press about three issues I wanted your opinion on.",282.26,289.2,{"idx":193,"utterance_id":214,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":215,"start_s":216,"end_s":217,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},"85006","First, the issue of gas.",289.36,290.44,{"idx":219,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},34,"85007","The issue of gas in Maranhão.",291.48,293.04,{"idx":225,"utterance_id":226,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":229,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},35,"85008","After all, is there gas or not?",293.48,294.8,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":37,"indexable":14},36,"85009","Are the reserves significant?",294.86,296.28,{"idx":200,"utterance_id":237,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":238,"start_s":239,"end_s":240,"word_count":37,"indexable":14},"85010","Is it economically viable?",296.96,298.48,{"idx":242,"utterance_id":243,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":244,"start_s":245,"end_s":246,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},38,"85011","Secondly, information about the refinery issue.",298.94,303.08,{"idx":132,"utterance_id":248,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":249,"start_s":250,"end_s":251,"word_count":28,"indexable":14},"85012","It was going to be public, now it seems to have a private project.",303.36,305.9,{"idx":253,"utterance_id":254,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":255,"start_s":256,"end_s":257,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},40,"85013","How is the refinery issue?",306.42,307.92,{"idx":259,"utterance_id":260,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":261,"start_s":262,"end_s":263,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},41,"85014","Does a refinery in Maranhão make sense?",308,309.88,{"idx":265,"utterance_id":266,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":267,"start_s":268,"end_s":269,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},42,"85015","Is it very far or not from consumer centers?",309.92,312.9,{"idx":271,"utterance_id":272,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":273,"start_s":274,"end_s":275,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},43,"85016","How do you see that?",312.94,314.2,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":278,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":279,"start_s":280,"end_s":281,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},44,"85017","And, obviously, I cannot fail to ask about the Alcântara base.",314.64,317.9,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":56,"indexable":14},45,"85018","What is your opinion on that?",318.32,319.9,{"idx":289,"utterance_id":290,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":291,"start_s":292,"end_s":293,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},46,"85019","Since no one disagrees that that is a geographically privileged space, which must be exploited, including commercially.",319.96,328.76,{"idx":295,"utterance_id":296,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":297,"start_s":298,"end_s":299,"word_count":289,"indexable":14},47,"85020","What is debated is whether the agreement submitted to Congress is the best agreement in terms of American interests in the region, vis-à-vis... the interest of other powers that also want to use the Alcântara base for satellite and rocket launches and so on.",329.28,348.26,{"idx":301,"utterance_id":302,"speaker_name":52,"text":303,"start_s":304,"end_s":305,"word_count":107,"indexable":14},48,"85021","First, gas is indeed an important product in our state today, used more heavily for electricity generation.",349.38,358.7,{"idx":187,"utterance_id":307,"speaker_name":52,"text":308,"start_s":309,"end_s":310,"word_count":28,"indexable":14},"85022","We wish for there to be other uses for the existing gas.",359.32,363.16,{"idx":312,"utterance_id":313,"speaker_name":52,"text":314,"start_s":315,"end_s":316,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},50,"85023","We always talk with the private sector in that direction, not only for vehicle use, but also for industrial use.",363.64,369.48,{"idx":318,"utterance_id":319,"speaker_name":52,"text":320,"start_s":321,"end_s":322,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},51,"85024","That is our main objective.",370.24,371.56,{"idx":324,"utterance_id":325,"speaker_name":52,"text":326,"start_s":327,"end_s":328,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},52,"85025","In addition to gas, we have growth in wind power generation in our state.",371.94,377.34,{"idx":330,"utterance_id":331,"speaker_name":52,"text":332,"start_s":333,"end_s":334,"word_count":96,"indexable":14},53,"85026","Wind farms have already been installed during our government and are in the process of expansion.",377.46,382.38,{"idx":336,"utterance_id":337,"speaker_name":52,"text":338,"start_s":339,"end_s":340,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},54,"85027","So, we already have potential under exploitation regarding power generation.",382.78,391.94,{"idx":342,"utterance_id":343,"speaker_name":52,"text":344,"start_s":345,"end_s":346,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},55,"85028","Regarding the refinery, we continue to pursue that objective, because we consider it to be of national interest.",392.86,399.58,{"idx":348,"utterance_id":349,"speaker_name":52,"text":350,"start_s":351,"end_s":352,"word_count":127,"indexable":14},56,"85029","We cannot go backwards in Brazil's place in the world and be transformed into mere producers of crude oil.",400.16,408.66,{"idx":354,"utterance_id":355,"speaker_name":52,"text":356,"start_s":357,"end_s":358,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},57,"85030","We already have a refining deficit, objectively, in Brazil, with the economy in the poor shape it is.",409.04,414.96,{"idx":360,"utterance_id":361,"speaker_name":52,"text":362,"start_s":363,"end_s":364,"word_count":56,"indexable":14},58,"85031","So, if the economy returns to growth...",415.24,417.32,{"idx":366,"utterance_id":367,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":368,"start_s":369,"end_s":370,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},59,"85032","And is there private interest in the refinery?",417.36,419.04,{"idx":372,"utterance_id":373,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":374,"start_s":375,"end_s":376,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},60,"85033","Yes, there is.",419.08,419.36,{"idx":378,"utterance_id":379,"speaker_name":52,"text":380,"start_s":381,"end_s":382,"word_count":383,"indexable":14},61,"85034","Companies from other countries, from China, we have already prospected with Chinese companies, Indian companies, companies from some Middle Eastern countries, and there are today preliminary understandings, it is true, with companies from several countries, since there is an objective refining deficit, we have crude oil and we have a market, even if one considers that the Maranhão is distant from the most dynamic poles in the South–Southeast.",420.76,450.14,65,{"idx":385,"utterance_id":386,"speaker_name":52,"text":387,"start_s":388,"end_s":389,"word_count":107,"indexable":14},62,"85035","On the other hand, we know the great growth that the Northeast, North and Center-West regions have, for example, in grain production.",450.22,457.26,{"idx":391,"utterance_id":392,"speaker_name":52,"text":393,"start_s":394,"end_s":395,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},63,"85036","All of this also consumes fuel derivatives and populations and economic activities, in general, demand refined petroleum products.",457.32,467.38,{"idx":397,"utterance_id":398,"speaker_name":52,"text":399,"start_s":400,"end_s":401,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},64,"85037","So, as a business... I have no doubt about the very high viability of installing a refinery in Maranhão.",467.72,475.1,{"idx":383,"utterance_id":403,"speaker_name":52,"text":404,"start_s":405,"end_s":406,"word_count":225,"indexable":14},"85038","Unfortunately, facts related to problems that are public and notorious, regarding a deficiency in Petrobras' planning, meant that the public refinery that would be handled by Petrobras did not materialize.",475.16,491.32,{"idx":408,"utterance_id":409,"speaker_name":52,"text":410,"start_s":411,"end_s":412,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},66,"85039","In contrast, in my view, it is a broad space for a set of private investments.",492.96,497.18,{"idx":414,"utterance_id":415,"speaker_name":52,"text":416,"start_s":417,"end_s":418,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},67,"85040","It is a project with a somewhat longer maturation, but I have no doubt it is a matter of time.",497.66,502.78,{"idx":420,"utterance_id":421,"speaker_name":52,"text":422,"start_s":423,"end_s":424,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},68,"85041","That is to say, at some point...",503.22,504.36,{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":52,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},69,"85042","That is to say, it is on your table.",504.4,505.36,{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":52,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":28,"indexable":14},70,"85043","Yes, it is and it will be on the table of the next governments.",505.74,509.06,{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":52,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},71,"85044","And at some point, within the next 10 years, that refinery will be operating, because it corresponds to an objective need of the 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tank storage.",548.56,556.58,{"idx":503,"utterance_id":504,"speaker_name":52,"text":505,"start_s":506,"end_s":507,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},82,"85055","We currently have an investment of R$1.4 billion in the area of the Port of Itaqui.",556.66,561.64,{"idx":509,"utterance_id":510,"speaker_name":52,"text":511,"start_s":512,"end_s":513,"word_count":176,"indexable":14},83,"85056","our own investments, our private investments, to a large extent are in the segment of tank storage for the handling and storage of fuels, showing that, in fact, it is an important market.",562.1,574.9,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":516,"speaker_name":52,"text":517,"start_s":518,"end_s":519,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},84,"85057","And finally about the Alcântara base, we have a position that was expressed in Deputy Perpetua Almeida's vote.",575.32,583.42,{"idx":521,"utterance_id":522,"speaker_name":52,"text":523,"start_s":524,"end_s":525,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},85,"85058","In two senses.",583.98,584.78,{"idx":527,"utterance_id":528,"speaker_name":52,"text":529,"start_s":530,"end_s":531,"word_count":96,"indexable":14},86,"85059","First of all, of course national sovereignty must be preserved and defended.",584.84,589.28,{"idx":533,"utterance_id":534,"speaker_name":52,"text":535,"start_s":536,"end_s":537,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},87,"85060","This is a fundamental value, a constitutional imperative and, therefore, we do not conceive of the idea of alienating that segment of the national territory or the equipment located there.",589.74,603.32,{"idx":539,"utterance_id":540,"speaker_name":52,"text":541,"start_s":542,"end_s":543,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},88,"85061","No, definitely not.",603.8,605.2,{"idx":545,"utterance_id":546,"speaker_name":52,"text":547,"start_s":548,"end_s":549,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},89,"85062","Of course the Alcântara base belongs to Brazil and national sovereignty must be exercised there in its fullness.",605.28,613.38,{"idx":551,"utterance_id":552,"speaker_name":52,"text":553,"start_s":554,"end_s":555,"word_count":342,"indexable":14},90,"85063","We consider, however, that a technological safeguards agreement with any country in the world, because I clearly recall that I was rapporteur for a technological safeguards agreement with Russia when I was a federal deputy, practically all countries in the world, including Brazil, when they enter into commercial relations, will require the protection of so-called intellectual property.",613.8,634.12,{"idx":557,"utterance_id":558,"speaker_name":52,"text":559,"start_s":560,"end_s":561,"word_count":109,"indexable":14},91,"85064","No one will freely give up industrial secrets, commercial secrets, because if they do, they are disrespecting the investment.",634.58,642.68,{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":52,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":73,"indexable":14},92,"85065","that the society of this country made to develop the technology.",643.62,647.52,{"idx":569,"utterance_id":570,"speaker_name":52,"text":571,"start_s":572,"end_s":573,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},93,"85066","So the technological safeguards agreement in itself does not threaten sovereignty.",647.86,652.64,{"idx":575,"utterance_id":576,"speaker_name":52,"text":577,"start_s":578,"end_s":579,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},94,"85067","In practice it is a challenge, but it is not a challenge inherent to or arising from the legal instrument.",653.14,660.74,{"idx":581,"utterance_id":582,"speaker_name":52,"text":583,"start_s":584,"end_s":585,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},95,"85068","The legal instrument, the technological safeguards agreement, can and should be made with any country in the world.",661.14,668.1,{"idx":587,"utterance_id":588,"speaker_name":52,"text":589,"start_s":590,"end_s":591,"word_count":56,"indexable":14},96,"85069","In this specific case, the agreement does not prevent.",668.6,671.64,{"idx":593,"utterance_id":594,"speaker_name":52,"text":595,"start_s":596,"end_s":597,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},97,"85070","the Alcântara base from being used tomorrow by other countries.",671.92,675.86,{"idx":599,"utterance_id":600,"speaker_name":52,"text":601,"start_s":602,"end_s":603,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},98,"85071","And is it Brazil that decides?",677,678.6,{"idx":605,"utterance_id":606,"speaker_name":52,"text":607,"start_s":608,"end_s":609,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},99,"85072","Of course.",678.72,679.06,{"idx":611,"utterance_id":612,"speaker_name":52,"text":613,"start_s":614,"end_s":615,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},100,"85073","Always?",679.38,679.74,{"idx":617,"utterance_id":618,"speaker_name":52,"text":619,"start_s":620,"end_s":621,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},101,"85074","Always, except—there is a caveat—for those countries that do not belong to the treaty system on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.",680.1,687.72,{"idx":623,"utterance_id":624,"speaker_name":52,"text":625,"start_s":626,"end_s":627,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},102,"85075","Which is a clause, in my view, fair and even aligned with Brazil's international positions.",688.18,693.9,{"idx":629,"utterance_id":630,"speaker_name":52,"text":631,"start_s":632,"end_s":633,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},103,"85076","So, if tomorrow Brazil wants to host or receive the launch... for example, of a payload, of a satellite launch vehicle from Canada, it could do so.",694.32,706.42,{"idx":635,"utterance_id":636,"speaker_name":52,"text":637,"start_s":638,"end_s":639,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},104,"85077","Or from France, it could do so.",706.8,708.32,{"idx":156,"utterance_id":641,"speaker_name":52,"text":642,"start_s":643,"end_s":644,"word_count":37,"indexable":14},"85078","From Italy, it could do so.",708.68,710.16,{"idx":646,"utterance_id":647,"speaker_name":52,"text":648,"start_s":649,"end_s":650,"word_count":208,"indexable":14},106,"85079","What the agreement says is that if the technology used by any country in the world, by any private company in the world, is of U.S. origin, certain procedures must be observed.",710.66,725.04,{"idx":652,"utterance_id":653,"speaker_name":52,"text":654,"start_s":655,"end_s":656,"word_count":208,"indexable":14},107,"85080","If the technology does not have any component, any process, linked to U.S. technology, the agreement does not even apply to those legal relations that might eventually be entered into between Brazil and any other country.",725.46,741.36,{"idx":658,"utterance_id":659,"speaker_name":52,"text":660,"start_s":661,"end_s":662,"word_count":202,"indexable":14},108,"85081","Thus the agreement—I read it, reread it, and I can assure everyone watching us with all seriousness—that the agreement itself does not violate national sovereignty.",741.74,752.18,{"idx":664,"utterance_id":665,"speaker_name":52,"text":666,"start_s":667,"end_s":668,"word_count":127,"indexable":14},109,"85082","Well, tomorrow there could be a government that breaches the agreement, unfortunately yes, there could be a government that goes further.",752.64,758.8,{"idx":670,"utterance_id":671,"speaker_name":52,"text":672,"start_s":673,"end_s":674,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},110,"85083","And imagine that the administration of Alcântara were to pass to another country, in a kind of lease or concession; of course, unfortunately that could happen—it depends on what the ballot boxes decide.",760.28,772.44,{"idx":676,"utterance_id":677,"speaker_name":52,"text":678,"start_s":679,"end_s":680,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},111,"85084","Decide in each presidential election.",773.06,775.08,{"idx":682,"utterance_id":683,"speaker_name":52,"text":684,"start_s":685,"end_s":686,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},112,"85085","But the agreement itself enables the commercial exploitation of the base, which is the main thing.",775.28,780.98,{"idx":688,"utterance_id":689,"speaker_name":52,"text":690,"start_s":691,"end_s":692,"word_count":109,"indexable":14},113,"85086","It is a patrimony of Brazil that has been unused for practically four decades, a major public investment.",781.38,787.48,{"idx":694,"utterance_id":695,"speaker_name":52,"text":696,"start_s":697,"end_s":698,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},114,"85087","We have already tried this through various avenues, our own aerospace program; unfortunately there was that explosion in 2003, resulting in the loss of human lives, too.",787.82,797.28,{"idx":700,"utterance_id":701,"speaker_name":52,"text":702,"start_s":703,"end_s":704,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},115,"85088","There was... already under the Lula, Dilma administrations, the agreement with Ukraine, which unfortunately didn't go forward; that is, the portfolio of alternatives was explored and lamentably we did not succeed.",797.72,809.84,{"idx":706,"utterance_id":707,"speaker_name":52,"text":708,"start_s":709,"end_s":710,"word_count":295,"indexable":14},116,"85089","So this is one more attempt that I hope will be successful and that companies, not only from the United States, but companies from all countries in the world, will use the Alcântara base, because this is important for our state and important for Brazil.",809.9,824.04,{"idx":712,"utterance_id":713,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":714,"start_s":715,"end_s":716,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},117,"85090","Do you see it with any optimism; do you think that in the next three years the government will wake up to what is happening?",824.18,829.74,{"idx":718,"utterance_id":719,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":720,"start_s":721,"end_s":722,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},118,"85091","Right now the findings of opinion polls are harsh for the government.",830.36,834.8,{"idx":724,"utterance_id":725,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":726,"start_s":727,"end_s":728,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},119,"85092","The impression given is that the government is creating a parallel world.",835.06,838.24,{"idx":730,"utterance_id":731,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":732,"start_s":733,"end_s":734,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},120,"85093","He recently said, after the publication of the polls, \"Do you believe in Santa Claus?\"",838.94,844.86,{"idx":736,"utterance_id":737,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":738,"start_s":739,"end_s":740,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},121,"85094","The impression is that the government believes in Santa Claus, because it is expecting a reversal of expectations that does not seem to correspond to the state of affairs.",845.18,854.18,{"idx":742,"utterance_id":743,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":744,"start_s":745,"end_s":746,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},122,"85095","Things are... deteriorating without the government realizing it.",854.36,858.44,{"idx":748,"utterance_id":749,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":750,"start_s":751,"end_s":752,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},123,"85096","How are you seeing this—how concerned are you about it as governor?",858.82,863.62,{"idx":754,"utterance_id":755,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":756,"start_s":757,"end_s":758,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},124,"85097","Obviously you hope that Brazil improves.",864.1,865.7,{"idx":760,"utterance_id":761,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":762,"start_s":763,"end_s":764,"word_count":73,"indexable":14},125,"85098","You are governing a state that needs Brazil to improve.",865.74,869.04,{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},126,"85099","And which has been the driving force behind the improvement in Brazil's indicators.",869.26,873.34,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},127,"85100","Do we have reason to feel somewhat encouraged?",874.62,878,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},128,"85101","Do you think the government will decide to take its foot slightly off the accelerator of this... this chaotic agenda?",878.5,886.72,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},129,"85102","Or what do you think the next three years will be like, in your opinion?",887.32,891.12,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":52,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},130,"85103","I am Roman Catholic.",892,893.96,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":52,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":56,"indexable":14},131,"85104","I am a Christian, I have a lot of faith.",894.02,895.4,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":52,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},132,"85105","Truly, faith in God and faith in life.",895.76,898.52,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":52,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":242,"indexable":14},133,"85106","So, I, based on that faith and on an authentically patriotic reading of Brazil, sincerely hope that yes, that things will improve, that in some way there will be a collective reflection on the part of the federal government, of those around it.",898.76,914.24,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":52,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":132,"indexable":14},134,"85107","And see that this extremist position does not lead to good results, as you yourself allude; public opinion polls and the objective data of economic management are showing exactly the profound missteps to which Brazil has been subjected.",914.86,930.86,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":52,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},135,"85108","So, on one hand, I cling to my faith and my patriotic optimism that things will improve.",930.92,937.14,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":52,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":109,"indexable":14},136,"85109","However, objectively, when I stop to look at the objective indicators, I still haven't been able to see this path.",937.4,944.32,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":52,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":253,"indexable":14},137,"85110","So, abstractly, I root for one thing and, at the same time, in the plane of reading the facts, I see this kind of parallel reality determining public decisions that end up leading to disasters, indeed, as you mention, on environmental issues.",944.82,967.48,{"idx":838,"utterance_id":839,"speaker_name":52,"text":840,"start_s":841,"end_s":842,"word_count":139,"indexable":14},138,"85111","Sparks that were emitted from the highest echelons of the Republic, which turned into the concrete ground of the Amazon in that tragedy of the fires.",969.64,979.22,{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":52,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},139,"85112","Popular wisdom always says that example comes from above.",979.82,982.8,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":52,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":348,"indexable":14},140,"85113","When the President of the Republic—the nation's highest leader, elected as such—in an ill-considered, unreflective way induces certain practices, those practices reach concrete reality in an even more exponential and disastrous manner, as we have seen on environmental issues or even on human rights.",983.22,1011.82,{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":52,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":200,"indexable":14},141,"85114","So when he utters something... prejudiced, from a regional or social point of view, I imagine—not in relation to me, because I know and can defend myself—I imagine the defenseless, those who have the least.",1011.96,1028.38,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":52,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":193,"indexable":14},142,"85115","Who have less voice and who end up being physically or morally massacred because of the proliferation of prejudices that are stimulated by certain supposedly humorous statements, but which in truth are profoundly serious.",1028.84,1044.02,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":52,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":107,"indexable":14},143,"85116","So I root for, hope, as I said, moved by my optimism and my faith, that this changes; that is, there is still time.",1044.52,1054.4,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":52,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},144,"85117","So that the government understands that it must not govern for a few, for a minority, nor should it govern only for the richest.",1054.8,1063.6,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":52,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":158,"indexable":14},145,"85118","Although we have seen now in the most recent polls that even the richest are discontent, yet at times there is a temptation to please.",1064.24,1073.04,{"idx":886,"utterance_id":887,"speaker_name":52,"text":888,"start_s":889,"end_s":890,"word_count":225,"indexable":14},146,"85119","Those with greater economic power, those who think that by eliminating rights they will develop Brazil, and at the same time this leads to an objectively criminal neglect toward millions and millions of unemployed, for example.",1074.1,1089.58,{"idx":892,"utterance_id":893,"speaker_name":52,"text":894,"start_s":895,"end_s":896,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},147,"85120","It is a government that does not talk about employment, does not talk about social policies, therefore seems not to be concerned with acute and irreversible dramas.",1090.08,1101.52,{"idx":898,"utterance_id":899,"speaker_name":52,"text":900,"start_s":901,"end_s":902,"word_count":391,"indexable":14},148,"85121","Because when a family—a father or mother—experiences prolonged unemployment, it means damage not only to assets and not only to the father or mother, but also to the children and grandchildren, who will be deprived, for example, of educational opportunities forever because they will have to enter the labor market prematurely and will not return to school.",1102.06,1129.1,{"idx":904,"utterance_id":905,"speaker_name":52,"text":906,"start_s":907,"end_s":908,"word_count":170,"indexable":14},149,"85122","A profound dimension of damage to generations of Brazilians due to this extremist, aggressive, antisocial and antinational vision that, regrettably, has been the hallmark of the current federal government.",1131.52,1147.24,{"idx":910,"utterance_id":911,"speaker_name":52,"text":912,"start_s":913,"end_s":914,"word_count":438,"indexable":14},150,"85123","I hope that these poll indicators, showing an accentuated deterioration in the image of the President of the Republic, will serve as a correction of course for the government, even while it maintains its right-wing outlook, but that there be some kind of moderation and respect for different positions, more dialogue; I think this would be very useful for the federal government itself and, above all, for Brazil.",1147.5,1173.68,{"idx":916,"utterance_id":917,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":918,"start_s":919,"end_s":920,"word_count":360,"indexable":14},151,"85124","The opposition—I wanted to ask you—there are parties, you know which ones: PDT, PCdoB, PSOL, PT, PSB, that have been holding periodic meetings, trying to align foundations and reflections on Brazil, and there is a sort of progressive unity, which is not electoral but a programmatic attempt to offer alternatives in the National Congress and to society at large.",1174.76,1206.8,{"idx":922,"utterance_id":923,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":924,"start_s":925,"end_s":926,"word_count":202,"indexable":14},152,"85125","How do you see the role of this opposition, which is, let's say, the true opposition to the Bolsonaro government, the one that constitutes itself as such and offers an alternative perspective?",1207.8,1220.6,{"idx":928,"utterance_id":929,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":930,"start_s":931,"end_s":932,"word_count":50,"indexable":14},153,"85126","Do you see more convergence or less?",1220.9,1224.66,{"idx":934,"utterance_id":935,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":936,"start_s":937,"end_s":938,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},154,"85127","Do you think that the leaders of these parties, among which we include ourselves, could do more for this convergence?",1224.7,1234.48,{"idx":940,"utterance_id":941,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":942,"start_s":943,"end_s":944,"word_count":37,"indexable":14},155,"85128","Is it possible, desirable?",1234.92,1236.62,{"idx":946,"utterance_id":947,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":948,"start_s":949,"end_s":950,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},156,"85129","What would the politician Flávio Dino have to say about the role of these parties?",1237.28,1242.24,{"idx":952,"utterance_id":953,"speaker_name":52,"text":954,"start_s":955,"end_s":956,"word_count":176,"indexable":14},157,"85130","I have often read a very caustic view about the role of the opposition in Brazil, as if there were no project or effectiveness in our action.",1242.78,1251.8,{"idx":958,"utterance_id":959,"speaker_name":52,"text":960,"start_s":961,"end_s":962,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},158,"85131","I always read it with great respect; however, respectfully, I disagree with those analyses.",1252.54,1257.98,{"idx":964,"utterance_id":965,"speaker_name":52,"text":966,"start_s":967,"end_s":968,"word_count":85,"indexable":14},159,"85132","I think we have done a lot in recent years, in an extremely difficult context.",1258.66,1263.72,{"idx":970,"utterance_id":971,"speaker_name":52,"text":972,"start_s":973,"end_s":974,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},160,"85133","It is a setting marked by pronounced setbacks, institutional anomalies, very serious coup attempts.",1264.3,1272.86,{"idx":976,"utterance_id":977,"speaker_name":52,"text":978,"start_s":979,"end_s":980,"word_count":132,"indexable":14},161,"85134","We had the illegal imprisonment of former President Lula, a process marked by numerous, inexhaustible vices; an unconstitutional impeachment of a President of the Republic; the proliferation of lies, of aggressions against our political field; outrageous, absurd judicial decisions.",1272.94,1295.78,{"idx":982,"utterance_id":983,"speaker_name":52,"text":984,"start_s":985,"end_s":986,"word_count":342,"indexable":14},162,"85135","Which really, for me, are astonishing: certain rulings in which magistrates write 300, 400, 500 pages—you know one of those decisions—to say truly astonishing things that are not even pertinent to the issue at hand in the case files, as if that ended up hiding the precariousness of the evidentiary basis regarding essentially nothing of certain alleged facts.",1296.8,1326.8,{"idx":988,"utterance_id":989,"speaker_name":52,"text":990,"start_s":991,"end_s":992,"word_count":28,"indexable":14},163,"85136","In short, it really is not a scene of democratic normality.",1327.26,1330.74,{"idx":994,"utterance_id":995,"speaker_name":52,"text":996,"start_s":997,"end_s":998,"word_count":37,"indexable":14},164,"85137","Despite that, here we 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the court of history, in a few decades, will be less harsh than sometimes everyday analyses indicate.",1354.5,1368.4,{"idx":1024,"utterance_id":1025,"speaker_name":52,"text":1026,"start_s":1027,"end_s":1028,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},169,"85142","I think we have fought the good fight.",1368.46,1369.98,{"idx":1030,"utterance_id":1031,"speaker_name":52,"text":1032,"start_s":1033,"end_s":1034,"word_count":85,"indexable":14},170,"85143","The resistance in the parliamentary sphere: we achieved victories in the pension reform, preventing",1370.48,1377,{"idx":1036,"utterance_id":1037,"speaker_name":52,"text":1038,"start_s":1039,"end_s":1040,"word_count":301,"indexable":14},171,"85144","abyssal damages that would have been produced, such as, for example, the end of the continuous cash benefit, the end of retirement for rural workers; such setbacks were avoided by the action of our parliamentarians, even though in an overwhelming minority, and they managed, through parliamentary tactics and dialogue, to obtain good results.",1377.78,1404.38,{"idx":1042,"utterance_id":1043,"speaker_name":52,"text":1044,"start_s":1045,"end_s":1046,"word_count":73,"indexable":14},172,"85145","We have carried out social resistance, ideological debate, while governing.",1405.18,1409.1,{"idx":1048,"utterance_id":1049,"speaker_name":52,"text":1050,"start_s":1051,"end_s":1052,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},173,"85146","So, I think we have done what is possible in this period.",1409.46,1412.26,{"idx":1054,"utterance_id":1055,"speaker_name":52,"text":1056,"start_s":1057,"end_s":1058,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},174,"85147","That does not mean that we should become complacent.",1412.82,1415.06,{"idx":1060,"utterance_id":1061,"speaker_name":52,"text":1062,"start_s":1063,"end_s":1064,"word_count":30,"indexable":14},175,"85148","We have urgent 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lulism.",1432.8,1457.72,{"idx":1078,"utterance_id":1079,"speaker_name":52,"text":1080,"start_s":1081,"end_s":1082,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},178,"85151","I think, therefore, we have this task; we have the task of unity, yes, and I believe we have advanced in this regard.",1458.24,1466.2,{"idx":1084,"utterance_id":1085,"speaker_name":52,"text":1086,"start_s":1087,"end_s":1088,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},179,"85152","I think there is an atmosphere of great courtesy, of great cordiality among various leaders of the national popular camp.",1466.32,1473.2,{"idx":1090,"utterance_id":1091,"speaker_name":52,"text":1092,"start_s":1093,"end_s":1094,"word_count":473,"indexable":14},180,"85153","And that is a precondition: conversation, dialogue. We have the 2020 election, followed by 2022, and I believe we will win; we will have a very good result in 2020—I think we will win many mayoralties from this camp that is not of right-wing extremism, that is therefore non-Bolsonarist; I think we will have great electoral results united; we will work for that and we will win the presidential election in 2022, I am sure of that.",1473.86,1501.78,{"idx":1096,"utterance_id":1097,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1098,"start_s":1099,"end_s":1100,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},181,"85154","Let me ask you one last question; our time is already up.",1502.14,1505.9,{"idx":1102,"utterance_id":1103,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1104,"start_s":1105,"end_s":1106,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},182,"85155","I am very critical of the concentration of the media in very few hands.",1507.96,1512.38,{"idx":1108,"utterance_id":1109,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1110,"start_s":1111,"end_s":1112,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},183,"85156","You live in a very peculiar situation, because you live in a state where concentration is maximum and in a country where concentration is moderate, but it exists.",1513.16,1523.68,{"idx":1114,"utterance_id":1115,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1116,"start_s":1117,"end_s":1118,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},184,"85157","How do you operate your relationship with the media at the local and national levels?",1524.98,1531,{"idx":1120,"utterance_id":1121,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1122,"start_s":1123,"end_s":1124,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},185,"85158","How do you see it?",1531.3,1532.04,{"idx":1126,"utterance_id":1127,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1128,"start_s":1129,"end_s":1130,"word_count":127,"indexable":14},186,"85159","This situation, because one of the ingredients for exiting the crisis is more frank, more open, more legitimate communication.",1532.84,1539.98,{"idx":1132,"utterance_id":1133,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1134,"start_s":1135,"end_s":1136,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},187,"85160","So, Flávio Dino, Governor of Maranhão, how do you view Brazil?",1540.48,1543.72,{"idx":1138,"utterance_id":1139,"speaker_name":52,"text":1140,"start_s":1141,"end_s":1142,"word_count":56,"indexable":14},188,"85161","Normally, Haddad, monopolies are never welcome.",1544.38,1547.68,{"idx":1144,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":52,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},189,"85162","The ideal is that there be a plurality of media.",1549,1551.3,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":52,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":28,"indexable":14},190,"85163","I am referring to the economy, to politics, and so on.",1551.78,1554.48,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":52,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},191,"85164","Banks, everything.",1554.56,1555.36,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":52,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":44,"indexable":14},192,"85165","Football clubs, the financial system.",1555.48,1557.72,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":52,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":96,"indexable":14},193,"85166","So, the more plurality, competition, healthy, fair competition there is, I think society wins.",1558.08,1564.34,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":52,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},194,"85167","In the case of the media, evidently this monopoly, even singular in international terms, does not serve society.",1564.42,1573.22,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":52,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},195,"85168","The ideal is that the constitution be upheld.",1573.28,1575.22,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":52,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},196,"85169","That is, that we have the coexistence of a commercial media, of course.",1575.76,1579.88,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":52,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},197,"85170","Private media, businesses that aim for profit.",1580.5,1584.72,{"idx":1198,"utterance_id":1199,"speaker_name":52,"text":1200,"start_s":1201,"end_s":1202,"word_count":79,"indexable":14},198,"85171","That we have media of civil society, community media, community radios, 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good principles, good... good content, to prevent it from turning into hell, from destroying society, from destroying democracy with, for example, the proliferation of fake news in electoral processes or otherwise.",1617.36,1634.96,{"idx":1228,"utterance_id":1229,"speaker_name":52,"text":1230,"start_s":1231,"end_s":1232,"word_count":200,"indexable":14},203,"85176","So it is this amalgam, this juxtaposition, this multiple coexistence that I seek day to day as governor of the State, so that I relate to all of these paths and I think this is the right approach.",1635,1649.3,{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":52,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":91,"indexable":14},204,"85177","I, therefore, maintain relations with the traditional commercial media and with community media.",1649.78,1657.42,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":52,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":219,"indexable":14},205,"85178","A public radio in Maranhão, the 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I'm the one writing there, in my style, in my manner, with my perception of reality, with my personal touch, and that also spreads to the other social media.",1676.3,1698.98,{"idx":1264,"utterance_id":1265,"speaker_name":52,"text":1266,"start_s":1267,"end_s":1268,"word_count":383,"indexable":14},209,"85182","So, I think that... 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