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doesn't transfer votes.",1017.3,1018.14,{"idx":1361,"utterance_id":1362,"speaker_name":175,"text":593,"start_s":1363,"end_s":1364,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},188,"102568",1018.5,1018.66,{"idx":1366,"utterance_id":1367,"speaker_name":175,"text":1368,"start_s":1369,"end_s":1370,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},189,"102569","But it doesn't transfer votes, apparently.",1018.88,1020.14,{"idx":1372,"utterance_id":1373,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1374,"start_s":1375,"end_s":1376,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},190,"102570","No, no, calm down.",1020.22,1021.14,{"idx":1378,"utterance_id":1379,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1380,"start_s":1381,"end_s":1382,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":1348,"topic_label":1349,"target_id":1350,"target_proposition":1351,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1383,"indexable":245},191,"102571","I'm speaking about its relevance to the Brazilian economy, to the trade balance, to employment opportunities.",1022.2,1032.12,"Defends the relevance of agribusiness for the trade balance and employment.",{"idx":1385,"utterance_id":1386,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1387,"start_s":1388,"end_s":1389,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},192,"102572","That's indisputable, right?",1032.32,1033.96,{"idx":1391,"utterance_id":1392,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1393,"start_s":1394,"end_s":1395,"word_count":331,"indexable":178},193,"102573","Now, you have to understand that the Brazilian reality... It is a reality that they tried to, and the PT has always worked to, wanting to create this discord between.",1034.6,1046.84,{"idx":1397,"utterance_id":1398,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1399,"start_s":1400,"end_s":1401,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},194,"102574","Now, that decision that the family farmer will vote for the left—it's not like that.",1047.26,1054.58,{"idx":1403,"utterance_id":1404,"speaker_name":175,"text":1405,"start_s":1406,"end_s":1407,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},195,"102575","No, it's not even that.",1055.04,1056.08,{"idx":1409,"utterance_id":1410,"speaker_name":175,"text":1411,"start_s":1412,"end_s":1413,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},196,"102576","It's that the total comes to 5, 6% tied to the agribusiness sector, whether family farming or large rural producers.",1057.1,1065.12,{"idx":1415,"utterance_id":1416,"speaker_name":175,"text":1417,"start_s":1418,"end_s":1419,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},197,"102577","That doesn't transfer; you can't, it seems to me, be the agribusiness candidate.",1065.94,1072.28,{"idx":1421,"utterance_id":1422,"speaker_name":175,"text":1423,"start_s":1424,"end_s":1425,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},198,"102578","Flávio Bolsonaro, it seems to me, has much more support within those sectors.",1072.5,1076.12,{"idx":1427,"utterance_id":1428,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1429,"start_s":1430,"end_s":1431,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},199,"102579","Hold on, you have to understand the moment we're in during the campaign, right?",1077.94,1082.72,{"idx":1433,"utterance_id":1434,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1435,"start_s":1436,"end_s":1437,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},200,"102580","In Ronaldo Caiado's campaign, I would be the first physician since Juscelino Kubitschek to become president.",1082.94,1091.06,{"idx":1439,"utterance_id":1440,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1441,"start_s":1442,"end_s":1443,"word_count":225,"indexable":178},201,"102581","So are you saying the medical class also doesn't transfer votes?",1092.16,1095.56,{"idx":1445,"utterance_id":1446,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1447,"start_s":1448,"end_s":1449,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},202,"102582","Would Professor Luquezzi, would Professor Carvalho...",1096.06,1103.68,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1451,"speaker_name":175,"text":1452,"start_s":1453,"end_s":1454,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"102583","I think people don't know that you are a doctor.",1104.32,1106.86,{"idx":1456,"utterance_id":1457,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1458,"start_s":1459,"end_s":1460,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},204,"102584","Would Camargo and Luquezzi there not transfer votes in Rio Grande do Sul?",1107.96,1112.38,{"idx":1462,"utterance_id":1463,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1464,"start_s":1465,"end_s":1466,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},205,"102585","Other colleagues of ours in every state.",1113.9,1116.2,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1468,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1469,"start_s":1470,"end_s":1471,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},"102586","This movement has already been created throughout Brazil.",1116.7,1119.66,{"idx":1473,"utterance_id":1474,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1475,"start_s":1476,"end_s":1477,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},207,"102587","The top leaders of the evangelical churches are all positioning themselves in favor.",1120.38,1124.62,{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},208,"102588","The Catholic Church; that sector is also rural, which I honor and am proud of.",1126.16,1131.4,{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},209,"102589","Of an administration that you think, when you leave with 88% approval in the State, was it just one segment that voted for you or was it almost a total unanimity of the State that approved you?",1132.5,1143.3,{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},210,"102590","So, the point is not to want to label my campaign as one segment or another, you have to label it.",1144,1149.84,{"idx":1497,"utterance_id":1498,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1499,"start_s":1500,"end_s":1501,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1502,"target_proposition":1503,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":1504,"indexable":245},211,"102591","Today, Brazil is looking for someone who wants to free Brazil from the criminal factions that have under their command more than 50 million Brazilians.",1150.32,1160.08,"93ab97f7-6f96-4664-bb96-637a9cb15188","dismantle criminal factions' operations","Says Brazil needs to be 'livre das facções criminosas'.",{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":1511,"topic_label":1512,"target_id":1513,"target_proposition":1514,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":1515,"indexable":245},212,"102592","Who has this courage to confront a PCC, a Comando Vermelho, to recover the Brazilian Amazon, which is in the hands of factions from Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico and also Brazilian ones there?",1160.46,1172.58,"meio-ambiente-infraestrutura","Environment \u002F Infrastructure","831f0292-14be-4734-bc3a-22e113be0a9d","restore the Brazilian Amazon","States the need to 'recuperar a Amazônia brasileira'.",{"idx":1517,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},213,"102593","That's the anguish people should see.",1173.64,1175.82,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":175,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},214,"102594","Now, returning to the question of the panel... of the electorate.",1176.32,1180.14,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":175,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},215,"102595","The polls clearly show us the following; several polls.",1180.4,1184.08,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":175,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":238,"topic_label":239,"target_id":1540,"target_proposition":1541,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1542,"indexable":245},216,"102596","You have the Bolsonaristas, who are with Bolsonaro, that center, not always Bolsonarista but who side with him; another sector of the center, center-left, that sides with Lula; and there's the polarization.",1184.84,1198.3,"4df69bd7-8567-4e30-ad3d-afb0c47a58b0","describe electoral polarization and voter blocs","Summarizes polls showing Bolsonarists, center, and center-left.",{"idx":1544,"utterance_id":1545,"speaker_name":175,"text":1546,"start_s":1547,"end_s":1548,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},217,"102597","In between, there's a very small percentage, those who still have doubts, and they tend to, in the end, decide the election.",1198.84,1206.26,{"idx":1550,"utterance_id":1551,"speaker_name":175,"text":1552,"start_s":1553,"end_s":1554,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1557,"target_proposition":1558,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1559,"indexable":245},218,"102598","But your candidacy will need to enter Flávio's turf, there's no other way.",1206.88,1212.94,"programa-eleitoral","Electoral Program","b15d55c0-b997-4684-a2c8-92a47fc58452","convince Bolsonaro supporters to vote for our ticket","Affirms the candidacy needs to 'entrar na seara' and take voters.",{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":175,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1557,"target_proposition":1558,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1352,"rationale":1566,"indexable":245},219,"102599","You take the whole electorate, the voter is there, your voter is there, you have to take them from there.",1213,1219.72,"Explicitly says 'tem que tirar de lá' about the opposing electorate.",{"idx":382,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":175,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":331,"indexable":178},"102600","I'd like to know how you evaluate this, how the performance in this first round will be, even to keep the spirit.",1220.28,1228.04,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":175,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},221,"102601","that you advocate for the second round.",1228.36,1230.08,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":175,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},222,"102602","How are you going to get through that?",1230.18,1231.58,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":175,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},223,"102603","Competing with your colleagues and one of them will be there counting on the support of the others?",1231.62,1236.48,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1596,"target_proposition":1597,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":1599,"indexable":178},224,"102604","Adriano forgot to show that, when we contest a majoritarian election, what is primary in a poll is rejection.",1237.2,1244.18,"de7caff3-be6f-40bb-9805-da72fe25d5e9","prioritize reducing rejection in campaign strategies",0.7,"States that rejection is the main indicator in the poll, without proposing concrete action.",{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":175,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},225,"102605","Yes, no.",1245.78,1246.06,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":175,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1614,"target_proposition":1615,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1616,"indexable":245},226,"102606","So the polls show not only this, that the rejection of Lula and Flávio Bolsonaro are the largest.",1246.2,1250.94,"pesquisa-de-opiniao","Opinion Polls","7356ad07-1061-4a83-a820-d71d234a4c03","publish a voter intention poll","Reports poll results on candidates' rejection.",{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1614,"target_proposition":1615,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":1623,"indexable":178},227,"102607","Lula and Flávio are the two biggest, at the top.",1251.08,1254.44,"Reaffirms that two candidates have higher rejection, a factual report.",{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1630,"target_proposition":1631,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":1632,"indexable":178},228,"102608","So they've hit the ceiling, that is, they've hit their ceiling.",1255.88,1259.86,"1c0d8702-a63a-4ba8-82e2-56e941fca165","interpret saturation of rejection in electoral polls","Says rejection 'bateu no teto', an interpretation of the data.",{"idx":1634,"utterance_id":1635,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1636,"start_s":1637,"end_s":1638,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1639,"target_proposition":1640,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1641,"indexable":245},229,"102609","And Caiado has a huge road, as we say in the countryside—a very large path to travel.",1260.38,1268.02,"3f301154-2035-4ef9-a5cd-b004f2768383","reach undecided voters","Says he has 'um estradão enorme' to grow electorally.",{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":175,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1648,"target_proposition":1649,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":1650,"indexable":178},230,"102610","That includes 50% who don't know him, which is very good.",1268.8,1272.52,"29bf44fd-2355-4099-a018-cef37c319915","capitalize on voters' lack of knowledge to win votes","Notes 50% lack of awareness as an electoral advantage.",{"idx":1652,"utterance_id":1653,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1654,"start_s":1655,"end_s":1656,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},231,"102611","Of unfamiliarity.",1272.74,1273.94,{"idx":1658,"utterance_id":1659,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1660,"start_s":1661,"end_s":1662,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1639,"target_proposition":1640,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1663,"indexable":245},232,"102612","So I have a road, an avenue of enormous size to walk along.",1274.28,1280.3,"Says he has 'uma avenida' grande to expand his electorate.",{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},233,"102613","And what will the voter think?",1280.64,1282.3,{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},234,"102614","The voter will say, well, look... Let's say, in the 1989 election.",1282.4,1286.26,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},235,"102615","Why is it that, in the final stretch, I saw that they actually took the votes of those who had voted for me and voted for Collor?",1286.74,1292.64,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},236,"102616","Because, well, Collor would have a chance to beat Lula.",1293,1295.28,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},237,"102617","It's the tactical vote.",1295.76,1296.54,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1695,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1696,"start_s":1697,"end_s":1698,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},"102618","Do you agree with me?",1297.3,1298.04,{"idx":1700,"utterance_id":1701,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1702,"start_s":1703,"end_s":1704,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},239,"102619","Of course.",1298.16,1298.46,{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},240,"102620","So, when the time comes, to say, but look here.",1298.62,1302.36,{"idx":1712,"utterance_id":1713,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1714,"start_s":1715,"end_s":1716,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},241,"102621","But when it comes to the debate, who can handle beating Lula in the second round?",1302.8,1309.28,{"idx":1718,"utterance_id":1719,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1720,"start_s":1721,"end_s":1722,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},242,"102622","Huh?",1309.42,1309.52,{"idx":1724,"utterance_id":1725,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1726,"start_s":1727,"end_s":1728,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},243,"102623","That's when the favorable position will return.",1309.56,1313.04,{"idx":1730,"utterance_id":1731,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1732,"start_s":1733,"end_s":1734,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1735,"target_proposition":1736,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":1737,"indexable":245},244,"102624","so that Caiado keeps growing more and has Caiado in the debate, then the Mano a Mano, me and Lula here on the bande.",1313.7,1321.58,"4a96b6e9-9ce9-40e6-9776-733143cf4a62","guarantee participation in electoral debates","Advocates growing to be in the Mano a Mano debate against the opponent.",{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":175,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"102625","So, but don't we go back to that question Mitri asked?",1321.88,1324.5,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":175,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},246,"102626","You said we forgot to show the rejection and that, in fact, we brought the main data to start the interview with you.",1324.84,1329.62,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":175,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},247,"102627","And of course, President Lula's rejection and then Flávio Bolsonaro's are the largest.",1329.68,1333.58,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":175,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},248,"102628","But the poll, for example, also showed that Senator Flávio Bolsonaro's drop was among young people aged 16 to 24.",1334.12,1342.44,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":175,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},249,"102629","The population with an income of 5,000 reais, monthly income of 5,000 reais and people who declare themselves center-right, who reject President Lula and who consider themselves center-right, but are not necessarily Bolsonaristas.",1343.56,1355.48,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":175,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":480,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1773,"target_proposition":1774,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":397,"rationale":1775,"indexable":245},250,"102630","So we have a very specific audience where Flávio Bolsonaro fell, and an audience, if he doesn't understand the clear differences from now on why you are different from Flávio Bolsonaro, he will think there is no... option, besides Flávio Bolsonaro, to beat Lula.",1355.52,1371.94,"1aade163-a86f-452b-aeef-25cbad1822ec","differentiate from Bolsonarism to win center-right voters","Points to the need to show clear differences for that audience.",{"idx":1777,"utterance_id":1778,"speaker_name":175,"text":1779,"start_s":1780,"end_s":1781,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},251,"102631","So I return to Mitri's question.",1372.28,1374.48,{"idx":1783,"utterance_id":1784,"speaker_name":175,"text":1785,"start_s":1786,"end_s":1787,"word_count":346,"topic_slug":1555,"topic_label":1556,"target_id":1788,"target_proposition":1789,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":453,"rationale":1790,"indexable":245},252,"102632","You say you have a trail, a big road ahead, but you seem hesitant to point out flaws in Flávio Bolsonaro, to point out errors of Bolsonarism.",1374.72,1383.94,"62f7e073-9d75-4795-86ff-322f38057149","point out flaws of Bolsonarism","Criticizes the candidate's reluctance to point out mistakes of Bolsonarism and urges action.",{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":175,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},253,"102633","And then we fall into that role of the center-right kidnapped by Bolsonarism?",1384.32,1388.82,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":384,"topic_slug":1803,"topic_label":1804,"target_id":1805,"target_proposition":1806,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1352,"rationale":1807,"indexable":245},254,"102634","No, you won't see any kidnapping from me, because I am a man who, besides never having been... had my political positions kidnapped — everything is shown, I have shown courage in my trajectory.",1389.12,1400.74,"filiacao-partidaria","Party Membership","62631b00-0c44-4f19-a368-eaea7ff8a795","stay out of the party's decisions","Declares he was not 'sequestrado' and reaffirms political independence.",{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},255,"102635","I have never been constrained in my political programs.",1400.82,1403.34,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},256,"102636","Moreover, in the toughest times, you saw my degree of independence.",1403.74,1409.02,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":755,"topic_label":756,"target_id":1826,"target_proposition":1827,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":397,"rationale":1828,"indexable":245},257,"102637","When I, as the doctor that I am, decreed social isolation and administered the vaccine to everyone.",1409.52,1415.4,"7633eb22-1ec7-4936-adc9-f99f1b812276","implement public health measures to control the Covid-19 pandemic","Claims to have decreed isolation and administered vaccines, defending this action.",{"idx":1830,"utterance_id":1831,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1832,"start_s":1833,"end_s":1834,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},258,"102638","I am not a man controlled by anyone.",1416.06,1417.96,{"idx":1836,"utterance_id":1837,"speaker_name":175,"text":1838,"start_s":1839,"end_s":1840,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},259,"102639","And in your election that you won, the election you won there against...",1418.12,1420.88,{"idx":1842,"utterance_id":1843,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1844,"start_s":1845,"end_s":1846,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},260,"102640","I have political 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leaders","Promises 'não desmanchar pontes', advocating maintaining dialogue.",{"idx":1868,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},263,"102643","It's not because something happened with a candidate.",1431.92,1434.4,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":357,"indexable":178},264,"102644","Now, you could also show another stage of the poll, that when you put the second round, then yes, with Lula, then you see Caiado improving his position.",1435,1447.7,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},265,"102645","Do you understand?",1448.98,1449.46,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},266,"102646","So the voter, Adriana, will start to see as well... Who, upon reaching the second round, wins the elections.",1449.5,1456.94,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":175,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},267,"102647","The projection for the second round is already out there, in case your name gets there.",1457.4,1463.34,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":175,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},268,"102648","46 for President Lula, 40 for Ronaldo Caiado.",1463.36,1467.14,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":175,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},269,"102649","Which is what happens with Zema as well.",1467.46,1468.82,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":175,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},270,"102650","If it's Zema who gets there, he also has 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The cake didn't grow normally, no.",1544.26,1547.94,{"idx":2095,"utterance_id":2096,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2097,"start_s":2098,"end_s":2099,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},300,"102680","It was with leavening.",1548.22,1549.4,{"idx":2101,"utterance_id":2102,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2103,"start_s":2104,"end_s":2105,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},301,"102681","The PT is the leavening of narcotrafficking.",1549.46,1551.9,{"idx":2107,"utterance_id":2108,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2109,"start_s":2110,"end_s":2111,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},302,"102682","They are Siamese twins.",1552.14,1553.62,{"idx":2113,"utterance_id":2114,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2115,"start_s":2116,"end_s":2117,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},303,"102683","They are complicit.",1554,1555.12,{"idx":2119,"utterance_id":2120,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2121,"start_s":2122,"end_s":2123,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},304,"102684","This is the reality in Brazil.",1556.14,1558.06,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},"102685","If we close our eyes to this, Brazil will become Mexico one day.",1558.54,1562.94,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},306,"102686","It will win elections under democratic rules.",1564.24,1567.18,{"idx":2136,"utterance_id":2137,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2138,"start_s":2139,"end_s":2140,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},307,"102687","Okay?",1567.84,1568.14,{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":170,"indexable":178},308,"102688","This is what we must have the courage to debate here and show that Brazil... Now, there are 50 million people living under the command, humble, poor people, enslaved precisely by these factions in Brazil.",1568.68,1582.58,{"idx":2148,"utterance_id":2149,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2150,"start_s":2151,"end_s":2152,"word_count":225,"indexable":178},309,"102689","They depend, they judge, they condemn, they kill, they impose rules, they do everything.",1583.82,1589.34,{"idx":2154,"utterance_id":2155,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2156,"start_s":2157,"end_s":2158,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},310,"102690","Where is Brazilian sovereignty?",1589.42,1590.96,{"idx":2160,"utterance_id":2161,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2162,"start_s":2163,"end_s":2164,"word_count":279,"indexable":178},311,"102691","Do you think that Caiado... President of the Republic, do you think a faction will command a palm of land in Brazil?",1591.18,1597.72,{"idx":2166,"utterance_id":2167,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2168,"start_s":2169,"end_s":2170,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},312,"102692","A palm of land.",1597.84,1598.84,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},"102693","It doesn't rule, Vitro.",1600.36,1601.46,{"idx":2177,"utterance_id":2178,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2179,"start_s":2180,"end_s":2181,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},314,"102694","The President of the Republic does indeed have little moral authority as President of the 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that amounts to more than one trillion reais of Brazilian public debt over these four years.",1662.86,1668.74,{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":175,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},326,"102706","We have a chronic deficit, a chronic fiscal deficit.",1669.2,1673.06,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":175,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},327,"102707","And we have a problem with that.",1673.6,1675.3,{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":175,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},328,"102708","So, chronic deficit, debt growing.",1675.66,1678.16,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":175,"text":2271,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2273,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},329,"102709","And then there's a debate: constitutional earmarks, indexation, minimum wage, social security, pension 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face?",1701.7,1708.78,{"idx":2299,"utterance_id":2300,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2301,"start_s":2302,"end_s":2303,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},334,"102714","I agree.",1709.54,1710.12,{"idx":2305,"utterance_id":2306,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2307,"start_s":2308,"end_s":2309,"word_count":384,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":2310,"target_proposition":2311,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":2312,"rationale":2313,"indexable":245},335,"102715","But I think that before you diagnose that there are 1 trillion and 400 billion reais that don't fit in the Brazilian budget, you have to imagine who brought this to that situation?",1710.74,1721.32,"bc14ab4c-88ca-4157-8c12-fe2041dc5bee","restore fiscal responsibility and public management",0.82,"Attributes the debt to 'gastança' and argues for identifying the cause and controlling 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chance.",1742.04,1743.62,{"idx":2339,"utterance_id":2340,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2341,"start_s":2342,"end_s":2343,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},340,"102720","Dilma did the same thing when she went into Dilma II.",1744.3,1746.94,{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},341,"102721","She closed 4 million jobs in Brazil.",1748.7,1750.98,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},342,"102722","So, that story, we've already seen it.",1752.18,1755.44,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},343,"102723","But the problem now exploded into Lula's lap before the 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following.",1788.68,1789.9,{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":325,"indexable":178},355,"102735","Now I'm going to tell the Brazilian citizen, 'I'm the nice guy, I'm now going to cut the tax on imported little blouses.'",1790.3,1800.98,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},356,"102736","But come on, this same government that put them in place three years ago, so what moral credibility does a man like this have to be President of the Republic?",1802.08,1811.54,{"idx":2443,"utterance_id":2444,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2445,"start_s":2446,"end_s":2447,"word_count":225,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":2448,"target_proposition":2449,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":397,"rationale":2450,"indexable":245},357,"102737","He will take the Brazilian companies, which are already all going to Paraguay.",1812.46,1816.32,"52a9725f-8340-4134-adc9-f910d26ae9c9","adopt policies to retain and attract companies in Brazil","Says companies are leaving and advocates measures to retain investment.",{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},358,"102738","There are already more than 240 Brazilian companies.",1816.78,1819.18,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":331,"indexable":178},359,"102739","The Brazilian company goes to Paraguay, opens an e-commerce, sends the little blouse to Paraguay and has it arrive at your home in a little package.",1819.56,1828.8,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},360,"102740","Is that what it's doing?",1829.38,1830.3,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},361,"102741","Is this the Brazil we want?",1831.12,1832.94,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},362,"102742","Ah, but now I have a quick fix.",1833.34,1834.88,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2484,"start_s":2485,"end_s":2486,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},363,"102743","So I ask, Mr. Lula, who was the one that deceived?",1835.56,1837.56,{"idx":2488,"utterance_id":2489,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2490,"start_s":2491,"end_s":2492,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},364,"102744","Who was it that deceived the Brazilian people?",1838.6,1842.08,{"idx":2494,"utterance_id":2495,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":553,"start_s":2496,"end_s":2497,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},365,"102745",1842.6,1843.08,{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},366,"102746","In all this debt that he's in.",1843.12,1845.06,{"idx":2505,"utterance_id":2506,"speaker_name":175,"text":2507,"start_s":2508,"end_s":2509,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},367,"102747","The diagnosis you have — we see that you have the diagnosis.",1845.14,1848.74,{"idx":2511,"utterance_id":2512,"speaker_name":175,"text":2513,"start_s":2514,"end_s":2515,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},368,"102748","The solution.",1849.08,1849.82,{"idx":2517,"utterance_id":2518,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2519,"start_s":2520,"end_s":2521,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},369,"102749","On January first, you sit in the chair.",1849.98,1853.4,{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},370,"102750","But people can't imagine that this fell from the sky.",1853.6,1856.78,{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":553,"start_s":2531,"end_s":2532,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},371,"102751",1856.82,1858.06,{"idx":2534,"utterance_id":2535,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2536,"start_s":2537,"end_s":2538,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},372,"102752","Because today citizens are applauding and seeing.",1858.1,1860.38,{"idx":2540,"utterance_id":2541,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2542,"start_s":2543,"end_s":2544,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},373,"102753","I'm the nice one, I'll give you the FGTS so you can pay a debt to the loan shark called Lula.",1860.66,1866.62,{"idx":2546,"utterance_id":2547,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2548,"start_s":2549,"end_s":2550,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},374,"102754","Lula is the big loan shark.",1867.22,1868.5,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},375,"102755","He's the one putting all that big money, the FGTS, into the banks, into credit cards.",1869.5,1874.18,{"idx":2558,"utterance_id":2559,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2560,"start_s":2561,"end_s":2562,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},376,"102756","It's true that today they're charging interest rates of 400%.",1874.22,1877.16,{"idx":2564,"utterance_id":2565,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2566,"start_s":2567,"end_s":2568,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},377,"102757","So, this is a reality.",1877.2,1879.74,{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},378,"102758","We cannot allow it; we also cannot simply come and say 'let's fix it' without showing who did this.",1879.8,1887.64,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},379,"102759","Because if Brazil had been governed by me, it wouldn't be in this condition, especially since Goiás isn't.",1887.68,1893.22,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},380,"102760","I took it with a fiscal deficit.",1893.72,1895.44,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":2593,"topic_label":2594,"target_id":2595,"target_proposition":2596,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":397,"rationale":2597,"indexable":245},381,"102761","I presented it and delivered it with R$ 9.8 billion in cash, without any debtor and with all programs prepared.",1895.9,1903.24,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Fiscal and Social Policy","e3636593-de8a-4d9c-b22a-f56c5ccf1046","implement public spending controls and fiscal austerity policies","Claims to have handed over Goiás with cash reserves and says he would replicate responsible management.",{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},382,"102762","So, Brazil, in the way you put it, I know how to do it.",1903.32,1907.68,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":2610,"topic_label":2611,"target_id":2612,"target_proposition":2613,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":2614,"indexable":245},383,"102763","And I will take action on the first day; I won't leave it for the second.",1908.06,1910.48,"reformas","Reforms","633a615d-8310-442e-9b39-e6172feaf679","send a comprehensive reform package to the National Congress early in the administration","Promises to send all reforms on the first day of government.",{"idx":2616,"utterance_id":2617,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2618,"start_s":2619,"end_s":2620,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":2621,"target_proposition":2622,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":2623,"indexable":178},384,"102764","Review the tax reform, right?",1911.88,1914.6,"e9881e9f-2331-446b-8094-7524cd8daba6","review points of the tax reform","Explicitly states 'vou rever a reforma tributária'.",{"idx":2625,"utterance_id":2626,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2627,"start_s":2628,"end_s":2629,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},385,"102765","I will review the tax reform.",1914.64,1916.12,{"idx":2631,"utterance_id":2632,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2633,"start_s":2634,"end_s":2635,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":2636,"topic_label":2637,"target_id":2638,"target_proposition":2639,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":564,"rationale":2640,"indexable":178},386,"102766","Administrative reform, political reform, right?",1916.64,1921.12,"reforma-politica","Political Reform","e1fee666-a30e-4a9b-977f-1bc9cafcef0c","review the administrative reform","Includes 'reforma administrativa' among the reforms they will forward.",{"idx":2642,"utterance_id":2643,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2644,"start_s":2645,"end_s":2646,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},387,"102767","Labor reform.",1921.5,1922.92,{"idx":2648,"utterance_id":2649,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2650,"start_s":2651,"end_s":2652,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":2653,"topic_label":2654,"target_id":2655,"target_proposition":2656,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1192,"rationale":2657,"indexable":178},388,"102768","I will submit all of them on the first day of my government, along with terrorism and along with amnesty.",1923.34,1930.46,"direito-e-legislacao","Law and Legislation","9f4f6803-cd55-4cfb-9f6a-ba52b1bbf3fd","grant amnesty","States that 'anistia' will be on the agenda, without detailing its scope.",{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},389,"102769","They will all be put on the agenda on January 5, the day I take office as President of the Republic.",1931,1937.74,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2667,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":2670,"target_proposition":2671,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":564,"rationale":2672,"indexable":245},390,"102770","Then, yes, I'll know how to make the necessary cuts.",1937.78,1941.38,"ebaf279f-2ae3-4cc9-9d95-81d3d07b6c09","reduce public spending","Promises to 'fazer os cortes necessários' to balance the books.",{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},391,"102771","So that I can tell the businessman, I assure you that today 80% of the debt-to-GDP is here.",1941.82,1948.32,{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},392,"102772","I don't know if I'll manage it in the first year, but I'll lower it to 79%.",1948.8,1955.56,{"idx":2686,"utterance_id":2687,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2688,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2689,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},393,"102773","1% per year.",1957.48,{"idx":2691,"utterance_id":2692,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2693,"start_s":2694,"end_s":2695,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},394,"102774","In the first year there remains that doubt, I'm still finishing the calculations.",1958.14,1961.96,{"idx":2697,"utterance_id":2698,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2699,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":2702,"target_proposition":2703,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":2704,"indexable":245},395,"102775","I stabilize the debt-to-GDP ratio and each year I reduce it by 1%.",1962.54,1966.2,"b1066307-2079-46cd-a8e8-557d31a5b7d2","reduce public debt as a proportion of GDP","Commits to stabilizing debt\u002FGDP and reducing it by 1 percentage point per year.",{"idx":2706,"utterance_id":2707,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2708,"start_s":2709,"end_s":2710,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},396,"102776","This is my project to work in that direction.",1966.8,1970,{"idx":2712,"utterance_id":2713,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2714,"start_s":2715,"end_s":2716,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},397,"102777","If I tell this to businessmen, they will invest in Brazil.",1970.22,1974.26,{"idx":2718,"utterance_id":2719,"speaker_name":175,"text":2720,"start_s":2721,"end_s":2722,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},398,"102778","Dmitry is eager over there to ask a question.",1974.32,1976.7,{"idx":2724,"utterance_id":2725,"speaker_name":175,"text":2726,"start_s":2727,"end_s":2728,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},399,"102779","Ask it now and we'll leave it for the next block, or do you want 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action against dependency.",{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":3250,"target_proposition":3251,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":2312,"rationale":3266,"indexable":245},485,"102865","People move out of being dependent on a government benefit and are earning their own money.",2391.96,2399.02,"says people left dependency and are earning income — claim of results.",{"idx":3268,"utterance_id":3269,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3270,"start_s":3271,"end_s":3272,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},486,"102866","That's the truth.",2399.84,2400.66,{"idx":3274,"utterance_id":3275,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3276,"start_s":3277,"end_s":3278,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},487,"102867","But if you don't take care of young people, that cycle of people will keep 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Lula has been doing in his government.",2407.88,2412.2,"criticizes the previous government for maintaining dependency, advocating the opposite (inclusion).",{"idx":3287,"utterance_id":3288,"speaker_name":175,"text":3289,"start_s":3290,"end_s":3291,"word_count":673,"indexable":178},489,"102869","Governor, speaking of government programs on very popular issues, you mentioned income transfer programs; I will just point out that recently we had here on Canal Livre the pre-candidate, the former governor of Minas, Romeu Zema, who was very direct in his opinions, including on matters of great popular interest—he even said that if he comes to government, he will not give a real increase in the minimum wage, that that's a market issue.",2412.7,2435.3,{"idx":3293,"utterance_id":3294,"speaker_name":175,"text":3295,"start_s":3296,"end_s":3297,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},490,"102870","So I'd like to ask for your opinion, very directly: your position, very directly, on tying pensions to the minimum wage.",2435.62,2441.76,{"idx":3299,"utterance_id":3300,"speaker_name":175,"text":3301,"start_s":3302,"end_s":3303,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},491,"102871","Minimum wage, Bolsa Família, and the 6x1 work schedule.",2442.14,2445.54,{"idx":3305,"utterance_id":3306,"speaker_name":175,"text":3307,"start_s":3308,"end_s":3309,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},492,"102872","What's your plan for these three issues, your position?",2446.14,2448.68,{"idx":3311,"utterance_id":3312,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3313,"start_s":3314,"end_s":3315,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":3316,"topic_label":3317,"target_id":3318,"target_proposition":3319,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":3320,"indexable":245},493,"102873","As for me, I won't take that prerogative away from retirees.",2449.88,2453.24,"politica-previdenciaria","Pension Policy","d86509ad-c687-4914-a219-073308cd0a53","preserve the minimum wage linkage to pensions and the BPC","explicitly declares that he will not remove that prerogative from the retiree.",{"idx":3322,"utterance_id":3323,"speaker_name":175,"text":3324,"start_s":3325,"end_s":3326,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},494,"102874","It will remain tied to the minimum wage.",2453.9,2455.06,{"idx":3328,"utterance_id":3329,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3330,"start_s":3331,"end_s":3332,"word_count":225,"topic_slug":3333,"topic_label":3334,"target_id":3335,"target_proposition":3336,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":3337,"indexable":245},495,"102875","I will not, under any circumstances, go against the 5x2—that has already been approved today.",2455.68,2463.12,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","International Relations \u002F Labor","19e94ef2-b0df-4af9-9deb-d1bd365b712e","adopt a 5x2 work schedule","states that he will not 'enfrentar' the 5x2, acknowledging its 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today?",2471.08,2473.62,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},501,"102881","That's also what will prevail.",2474.4,2476.6,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},502,"102882","Mediocrity will not prevail.",2477.2,2478.82,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},503,"102883","By the hour worked.",2479.32,2480.42,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":225,"topic_slug":3333,"topic_label":3334,"target_id":3392,"target_proposition":3393,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":3394,"indexable":178},504,"102884","Senator Rogério Marinho has just introduced a bill on hours worked.",2481.5,2486.08,"1d2fbfa6-5339-4ff1-9656-681b9e9ad76d","create legislation to allow flexible hourly hiring","reports that a senator presented a bill on 'hora trabalhada' (factual mention).",{"idx":3396,"utterance_id":3397,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3398,"start_s":3399,"end_s":3400,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":3333,"topic_label":3334,"target_id":3392,"target_proposition":3393,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":3401,"indexable":245},505,"102885","That, yes—that's how you take the country out of the analog era and bring it into modernity.",2486.2,2491.92,"presents the project as modernization and positive to take the country out of the 'analógico'.",{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":3333,"topic_label":3334,"target_id":3392,"target_proposition":3393,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":564,"rationale":3408,"indexable":245},506,"102886","So if someone wants CLT, they stay on CLT.",2492.28,2495.04,"argues that those who want CLT can keep it; those who want 'hora trabalhada' can opt in — supports choice.",{"idx":3410,"utterance_id":3411,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3412,"start_s":3413,"end_s":3414,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},507,"102887","If someone wants to go to hourly pay, they go to hourly pay.",2495.6,2498.32,{"idx":3416,"utterance_id":3417,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3418,"start_s":3419,"end_s":3420,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},508,"102888","You don't need to choose one or the other.",2498.92,2500.98,{"idx":3422,"utterance_id":3423,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3424,"start_s":3425,"end_s":3426,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},509,"102889","You keep 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measure.",{"idx":3442,"utterance_id":3443,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3444,"start_s":3445,"end_s":3446,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},512,"102892","That's the plain truth.",2508.28,2509.24,{"idx":3448,"utterance_id":3449,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3450,"start_s":3451,"end_s":3452,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},513,"102893","Now, why will I be able to do this?",2509.46,2511.5,{"idx":3454,"utterance_id":3455,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3456,"start_s":3457,"end_s":3458,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},514,"102894","Because I will develop Brazil's potential.",2511.92,2516.26,{"idx":3460,"utterance_id":3461,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3462,"start_s":3463,"end_s":3464,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},515,"102895","I will generate 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riches.",2526.1,2536.56,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},518,"102898","I have the potential to grow Brazil like no one else.",2537.2,2540.3,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":456,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3492,"target_proposition":3493,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1352,"rationale":3494,"indexable":245},519,"102899","I have the best territory, three harvests a year, I have the world's critical minerals, which everyone depends on Brazil for, and I have a potential for growth today in... support for artificial intelligence, in increasing support for the professionalization of my people.",2540.92,2558.3,"8a413bf8-438f-4e97-a089-2cd31febae35","deepen growth with income distribution and productive restructuring to absorb skilled labor","advocates generating wealth, AI and professionalization to distribute income and raise standards.",{"idx":3496,"utterance_id":3497,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3498,"start_s":3499,"end_s":3500,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},520,"102900","So, my daughter, you only raise the country's standard if you distribute income, if you distribute wealth.",2558.66,2568.14,{"idx":3502,"utterance_id":3503,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3504,"start_s":3505,"end_s":3506,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},521,"102901","And how do you distribute wealth?",2568.5,2569.72,{"idx":3508,"utterance_id":3509,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3510,"start_s":3511,"end_s":3512,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},522,"102902","Through knowledge.",2569.9,2570.98,{"idx":3514,"utterance_id":3515,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3516,"start_s":3517,"end_s":3518,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},523,"102903","Knowledge.",2571.34,2572.2,{"idx":3520,"utterance_id":3521,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3522,"start_s":3523,"end_s":3524,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},524,"102904","Those without preparation, without intelligence, end up selling to Brazil and buying cutting-edge technology.",2572.26,2578.06,{"idx":3526,"utterance_id":3527,"speaker_name":175,"text":3528,"start_s":3529,"end_s":3530,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},525,"102905","To continue, Governor, on the topic of the pension reform, I understand perfectly—meaning, not unlinking the pension benefit from the minimum 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When he presents a document, he's obliged to present the certificate he made, the anti-doping test.",2800.56,2830.26,{"idx":3831,"utterance_id":3832,"speaker_name":175,"text":3833,"start_s":3834,"end_s":3835,"word_count":279,"indexable":178},572,"102952","So, this situation, based on this Central Bank certificate, clears things up for the debate that's coming.",2831.56,2838.46,{"idx":3837,"utterance_id":3838,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3839,"start_s":3840,"end_s":3841,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},573,"102953","Let me continue the conversation.",2838.5,2839.88,{"idx":3843,"utterance_id":3844,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3845,"start_s":3846,"end_s":3847,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},574,"102954","That's not it.",2839.92,2840.36,{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},575,"102955","That puts me at 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The complaint comes from you, since they are requesting an investigation, and you will ask the Federal Police to investigate those data.",2923.98,2932.12,{"idx":4020,"utterance_id":4021,"speaker_name":175,"text":4022,"start_s":4023,"end_s":4024,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},604,"102984","No, but it's there.",2932.22,2932.76,{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":175,"text":3534,"start_s":4028,"end_s":4029,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},605,"102985",2933.34,2933.44,{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},606,"102986","There it is.",2933.96,2934.88,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":4037,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4038,"start_s":4039,"end_s":4040,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},"102987","I brought it, because imagine, I was leaving there and I said, 'man, give me a copy of that Central Bank certificate, because that story is bound to come out.'",2934.96,2943.24,{"idx":4042,"utterance_id":4043,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4044,"start_s":4045,"end_s":4046,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},608,"102988","Here it is.",2943.66,2943.92,{"idx":4048,"utterance_id":4049,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4050,"start_s":4051,"end_s":4052,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},609,"102989","My friend, there's no way to reach Caiar.",2944.08,2947.98,{"idx":4054,"utterance_id":4055,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4056,"start_s":4057,"end_s":4058,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},610,"102990","Forty years of life, involved in wrongdoing.",2948.4,2951.24,{"idx":4060,"utterance_id":4061,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4062,"start_s":4063,"end_s":4064,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},611,"102991","My life is far superior.",2951.78,2953.3,{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},612,"102992","My life story doesn't reach that level.",2953.34,2956.96,{"idx":4072,"utterance_id":4073,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4074,"start_s":4075,"end_s":4076,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},613,"102993","I am not part of PT.",2957,2958.5,{"idx":4078,"utterance_id":4079,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4080,"start_s":4081,"end_s":4082,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},614,"102994","I don't associate with that kind of wrongdoing.",2959.04,2960.7,{"idx":4084,"utterance_id":4085,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4086,"start_s":4087,"end_s":4088,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},615,"102995","I built my life through my profession and my own merit.",2960.82,2964.3,{"idx":4090,"utterance_id":4091,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4092,"start_s":4093,"end_s":4094,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},616,"102996","I never got involved in any of that.",2964.36,2965.68,{"idx":4096,"utterance_id":4097,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4098,"start_s":4099,"end_s":4100,"word_count":225,"indexable":178},617,"102997","Now, this shows how involved the federal government is in covering up the fintechs.",2965.86,2972.78,{"idx":4102,"utterance_id":4103,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4104,"start_s":4105,"end_s":4106,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},618,"102998","You have that.",2972.88,2973.48,{"idx":4108,"utterance_id":4109,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4110,"start_s":4111,"end_s":4112,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},619,"102999","Why doesn't it report it?",2973.9,2975.06,{"idx":4114,"utterance_id":4115,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4116,"start_s":4117,"end_s":4118,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},620,"103000","I asked several times.",2975.66,2976.9,{"idx":4120,"utterance_id":4121,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4122,"start_s":4123,"end_s":4124,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4125,"target_proposition":4126,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":564,"rationale":4127,"indexable":245},621,"103001","If you look... 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It had inside the Correios and the CEP, there, contracts billions of times larger in volume than with Goiás.",3222.1,3234.32,{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},685,"103065","But obviously that has a purpose.",3234.72,3236.38,{"idx":4512,"utterance_id":4513,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4514,"start_s":4515,"end_s":4516,"word_count":232,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4517,"target_proposition":4518,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":3700,"rationale":4519,"indexable":245},686,"103066","They're seeing that I'm going to defeat Lula.",3236.42,3238.7,"679f1d57-f735-465a-a282-3223c660a586","investigate links between political parties and criminal organizations","accuses the PT of being 'guarda-costas do crime organizado' and demands accountability.",{"idx":4521,"utterance_id":4522,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4523,"start_s":4524,"end_s":4525,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},687,"103067","Because I told you at the start, the dispute is moral.",3239.3,3241.78,{"idx":4527,"utterance_id":4528,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4529,"start_s":4530,"end_s":4531,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},688,"103068","The dispute is moral.",3242.66,3243.56,{"idx":4533,"utterance_id":4534,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4535,"start_s":4536,"end_s":4537,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},689,"103069","They can't touch me on that.",3243.74,3245.36,{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},690,"103070","Now, this one is to show how much the PT is the bodyguard of organized crime in Brazil.",3246.52,3255.76,{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":175,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":492,"topic_slug":4550,"topic_label":4551,"target_id":4552,"target_proposition":4553,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":4554,"indexable":245},691,"103071","Governor, an important point: I think that on the Brazilian agenda, perhaps it is not directly, or at least exclusively, the responsibility of the President of the Republic — you were the first, perhaps, to say clearly that you will grant amnesty to everyone involved in the January 8 events and so on.",3256.92,3274.9,"justica-criminal","Criminal Justice","240dfea6-6c74-4133-ad9b-b27ddc72a320","grant amnesty to those responsible for invading public buildings","reports that the governor said he will grant amnesty.",{"idx":935,"utterance_id":4556,"speaker_name":175,"text":4557,"start_s":4558,"end_s":4559,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"103072","But the question — let's see — maybe it doesn't have an answer, okay?",3275.54,3278.12,{"idx":4561,"utterance_id":4562,"speaker_name":175,"text":4563,"start_s":4564,"end_s":4565,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},693,"103073","But how do you deal with that?",3278.16,3280.1,{"idx":4567,"utterance_id":4568,"speaker_name":175,"text":4569,"start_s":4570,"end_s":4571,"word_count":363,"indexable":178},694,"103074","What guarantees that the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) will go along with this, in the sense that, well, many things that were defined in the executive branch, in the legislative branch, the STF reformed?",3280.38,3290.96,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4573,"speaker_name":175,"text":4574,"start_s":4575,"end_s":4576,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},"103075","How do you handle it?",3292.12,3292.58,{"idx":4578,"utterance_id":4579,"speaker_name":175,"text":4580,"start_s":4581,"end_s":4582,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},696,"103076","And I'd like to ask you this: how do you address this democratic issue in Brazil?",3292.68,3298.26,{"idx":4584,"utterance_id":4585,"speaker_name":175,"text":4586,"start_s":4587,"end_s":4588,"word_count":279,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4591,"target_proposition":4592,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":4593,"indexable":245},697,"103077","And also, I'd like to ask you specifically: Lula issued last week those decrees regulating social networks",3298.78,3307.12,"regulacao-do-ambiente-digital","Digital environment regulation","ea28c70f-ca03-4734-918d-923ec4dc1295","ensure processing of bills that regulate social media","reports that Lula decreed regulation of social networks.",{"idx":4595,"utterance_id":4596,"speaker_name":175,"text":4597,"start_s":4598,"end_s":4599,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},698,"103078","issued by the National Data Protection Agency.",3308.24,3310.82,{"idx":4601,"utterance_id":4602,"speaker_name":175,"text":4603,"start_s":4604,"end_s":4605,"word_count":192,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4591,"target_proposition":4592,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":453,"rationale":4606,"indexable":245},699,"103079","They were heavily criticized in terms of the possibility or potential for censorship in Brazil.",3311.08,3316.02,"Says the measure was heavily criticized for potential censorship.",{"idx":4608,"utterance_id":4609,"speaker_name":175,"text":4610,"start_s":4611,"end_s":4612,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4591,"target_proposition":4592,"stance":4613,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":4614,"indexable":178},700,"103080","A concern which, by the way, I share.",3316.68,3319.04,"contra","Says he shares concern about potential censorship.",{"idx":964,"utterance_id":4616,"speaker_name":175,"text":4617,"start_s":4618,"end_s":4619,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":4620,"topic_label":4621,"target_id":4622,"target_proposition":4623,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":4624,"indexable":178},"103081","What is your view, by the way, on the same topic regarding the AGU, cases acknowledged, including with journalists, of censorship?",3319.4,3328.12,"liberdade-de-expressao-censura","Freedom of Expression \u002F Censorship","3e9f0249-ca7f-437e-9b71-362e90e603ac","prevent censorship of journalists by public bodies such as the AGU","Asks about cases of censorship recognized by the AGU against journalists.",{"idx":4626,"utterance_id":4627,"speaker_name":175,"text":4628,"start_s":4629,"end_s":4630,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},702,"103082","What is your position?",3328.18,3330.18,{"idx":4632,"utterance_id":4633,"speaker_name":175,"text":4634,"start_s":4635,"end_s":4636,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},703,"103083","How will you deal with that?",3330.22,3331.48,{"idx":4638,"utterance_id":4639,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4640,"start_s":4641,"end_s":4642,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},704,"103084","Look, first of all, you know I spent a large part of my life in the National Congress.",3332.14,3337.42,{"idx":4644,"utterance_id":4645,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4646,"start_s":4647,"end_s":4648,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},705,"103085","I wouldn't be saying something that didn't have any basis.",3338.3,3341.58,{"idx":4650,"utterance_id":4651,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4652,"start_s":4653,"end_s":4654,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":4655,"topic_label":4656,"target_id":4657,"target_proposition":4658,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":874,"rationale":4659,"indexable":245},706,"103086","When I'm here on a television network speaking to all of Brazil, I say that in my government plan there will be a prophylactic measure to end polarization in Brazil.",3342.36,3354.44,"polarizacao-politica-e-divisao-do-pais","Political Polarization","7515ee6f-b469-4db1-a2b3-734fe7ee9836","reduce political polarization and promote national unity","Announces inclusion in the government plan of measures to end polarization.",{"idx":4661,"utterance_id":4662,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4663,"start_s":4664,"end_s":4665,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4550,"topic_label":4551,"target_id":4552,"target_proposition":4553,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":4666,"rationale":4667,"indexable":245},707,"103087","I will grant amnesty to everyone, do like Juscelino Kubitschek did.",3354.74,3357.74,0.95,"Explicitly declares: 'Eu vou anistiar todos'.",{"idx":4669,"utterance_id":4670,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4671,"start_s":4672,"end_s":4673,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":4674,"topic_label":4675,"target_id":4676,"target_proposition":4677,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1352,"rationale":4678,"indexable":245},708,"103088","When you present that in a government plan, it comes in plebiscitary form.",3358.08,3363.5,"processo-eleitoral","Electoral Process","84ff3259-8192-4a4c-814e-8de9a9fbf41d","submit an amnesty proposal to a plebiscite","Says the measure 'vem em forma plebiscitária' in the government plan.",{"idx":4680,"utterance_id":4681,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4682,"start_s":4683,"end_s":4684,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},709,"103089","That is, the voter is voting for Caiado.",3364.24,3366.82,{"idx":4686,"utterance_id":4687,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4688,"start_s":4689,"end_s":4690,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":4691,"topic_label":73,"target_id":4692,"target_proposition":4693,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":4694,"indexable":245},710,"103090","Knowing that I will do that, that I will treat the criminal factions as terrorists, that I will forward administrative reforms, labor reforms, everything else.",3367.18,3376.66,"reforma-administrativa-e-trabalhista","1f95bb3a-0ecb-4fbb-bd72-a04e31f7411a","approve administrative and labor reforms","Declares he will submit administrative and labor reforms.",{"idx":4696,"utterance_id":4697,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4698,"start_s":4699,"end_s":4700,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},711,"103091","None of that is being omitted.",3377,3378.9,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4702,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4703,"start_s":4704,"end_s":4705,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":4674,"topic_label":4675,"target_id":4706,"target_proposition":4707,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":564,"rationale":4708,"indexable":245},"103092","The sovereignty of the vote is greater than any constituted power.",3379.86,3385.74,"162764dc-e23d-4577-915c-6cafa5744f6d","prioritize the sovereignty of the vote over decisions of other powers","Affirms that 'a soberania do voto é maior do que qualquer poder'.",{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},713,"103093","That's not up for debate.",3387.04,3388.4,{"idx":4716,"utterance_id":4717,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4718,"start_s":4719,"end_s":4720,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},714,"103094","This issue is settled.",3389.12,3392.24,{"idx":4722,"utterance_id":4723,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4724,"start_s":4725,"end_s":4726,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},715,"103095","The vote supersedes any other interpretation by anyone.",3392.6,3396.98,{"idx":4728,"utterance_id":4729,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":2138,"start_s":4730,"end_s":4731,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},716,"103096",3397.5,3397.82,{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},717,"103097","So, my question is answered.",3398.2,3399.8,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},718,"103098","Let's move on to the second item for you.",3400.18,3401.42,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":225,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4750,"target_proposition":4751,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":453,"rationale":4752,"indexable":245},719,"103099","Did you know that Brazil has no legislation regulating artificial intelligence?",3401.8,3408.16,"bdf35453-af61-41a4-a7cb-427a2aba1242","adopt pro-entrepreneur regulation for artificial intelligence","States as fact the absence of federal legislation on AI.",{"idx":4754,"utterance_id":4755,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4756,"start_s":4757,"end_s":4758,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4759,"target_proposition":4760,"stance":4613,"stance_confidence":1976,"rationale":4761,"indexable":245},720,"103100","Did you know that Brazil copies a European model that is being rejected by the world?",3413.58,3419.36,"0d05982d-b4a9-466a-9df4-a4769cd5a0f0","adopt a European model for AI regulation","Criticizes the European model, saying it is being rejected.",{"idx":4763,"utterance_id":4764,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4765,"start_s":4766,"end_s":4767,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4759,"target_proposition":4760,"stance":4613,"stance_confidence":1352,"rationale":4768,"indexable":245},721,"103101","Even Europe is changing: it's a structure built to benefit law firms and to criminalize the entire progress of artificial intelligence in Brazil.",3419.44,3433.28,"Says the European model criminalizes AI progress.",{"idx":4770,"utterance_id":4771,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4772,"start_s":4773,"end_s":4774,"word_count":446,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4750,"target_proposition":4751,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":4775,"indexable":245},722,"103102","Did you know that Goiás already has AI — the modulation of artificial intelligence, the AI regulatory rule — already sanctioned by me and recognized by the leading figures in science, technology, and innovation in Brazil and worldwide?",3433.54,3455.96,"Claims to have enacted a regulatory rule in Goiás (open source).",{"idx":4777,"utterance_id":4778,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4779,"start_s":4780,"end_s":4781,"word_count":390,"topic_slug":4589,"topic_label":4590,"target_id":4750,"target_proposition":4751,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":243,"rationale":4782,"indexable":245},723,"103103","That we have a proposal — an open-source law — allowing corrections for certain excesses, but never penalizing the intelligence of those who created the platform.",3457.04,3473.5,"Supports a bill for open-source AI.",{"idx":4784,"utterance_id":4785,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4786,"start_s":4787,"end_s":4788,"word_count":291,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4789,"target_proposition":4790,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":2312,"rationale":4791,"indexable":245},724,"103104","Goiás has the most sophisticated platform today for combating organized crime with artificial intelligence developed in Goiás.",3474.22,3481.38,"00788cd5-2d38-40cc-b68f-a64e65f64769","use artificial intelligence to combat organized crime","Says that Goiás has a sophisticated AI platform against organized crime.",{"idx":4793,"utterance_id":4794,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4795,"start_s":4796,"end_s":4797,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":4798,"topic_label":4799,"target_id":4800,"target_proposition":4801,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":397,"rationale":4802,"indexable":245},725,"103105","We have a center of excellence in artificial intelligence that provides services to iFood, to insurers in Brazil and to several other companies.",3481.98,3489.7,"inovacao-e-pesquisa","Innovation and Research","bc496418-23ee-4b13-89ad-1860cd0d4388","implement an innovation hub and AI activities downtown for urban revitalization","Claims a center that provides services to companies like iFood.",{"idx":4804,"utterance_id":4805,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4806,"start_s":4807,"end_s":4808,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":4809,"topic_label":4810,"target_id":4811,"target_proposition":4812,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":397,"rationale":4813,"indexable":245},726,"103106","Goiás has a law establishing an authority for critical minerals in the state of Goiás — something the federal government does not have.",3490.26,3498.24,"politica-de-mineracao","Mining Policy","66138341-2da6-4bd0-b8ef-a0a96d3eac35","create a regulatory framework for rare earths in Brazil","Says a state law on critical minerals has been enacted.",{"idx":4815,"utterance_id":4816,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4817,"start_s":4818,"end_s":4819,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},727,"103107","He wanted to create a terra braz.",3498.46,3501.38,{"idx":4821,"utterance_id":4822,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4823,"start_s":4824,"end_s":4825,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},728,"103108","I already have a law in Goiás that deals with mineral wealth.",3502.34,3505.42,{"idx":4827,"utterance_id":4828,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4829,"start_s":4830,"end_s":4831,"word_count":199,"topic_slug":4832,"topic_label":4833,"target_id":4834,"target_proposition":4835,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":453,"rationale":4836,"indexable":245},729,"103109","Goiás is already carrying out a radiography of the subsoil.",3506,3510.44,"recursos-naturais-e-soberania","Natural Resources and Sovereignty","e6fe1053-e62a-4400-a297-6b67246d814f","carry out geological and hydrogeological mapping of the subsoil for planning","Says that Goiás is doing a subsurface survey and zoning.",{"idx":4838,"utterance_id":4839,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4840,"start_s":4841,"end_s":4842,"word_count":325,"indexable":178},730,"103110","Using outside technology to map minerals down to 400 meters depth in the State, all of which is being zoned.",3510.86,3519.34,{"idx":4844,"utterance_id":4845,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4846,"start_s":4847,"end_s":4848,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},731,"103111","And the potential water I have in the subsoil for irrigation.",3520.02,3523.6,{"idx":4850,"utterance_id":4851,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4852,"start_s":4853,"end_s":4854,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},732,"103112","Understand, Chur, it's just governing with work, it's just governing with capacity.",3524.4,3529.1,{"idx":4856,"utterance_id":4857,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4858,"start_s":4859,"end_s":4860,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},733,"103113","And that's what Brazil lacks.",3529.72,3531.28,{"idx":4862,"utterance_id":4863,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4864,"start_s":4865,"end_s":4866,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},734,"103114","When you ask why China is ahead, why India is ahead, it's because of that.",3531.56,3537.76,{"idx":4868,"utterance_id":4869,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4870,"start_s":4871,"end_s":4872,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},735,"103115","It's the lack of a president.",3538.58,3540.22,{"idx":4874,"utterance_id":4875,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4876,"start_s":4877,"end_s":4878,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},736,"103116","You change a country's profile as soon as you take office.",3540.26,3543.6,{"idx":4880,"utterance_id":4881,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4882,"start_s":4883,"end_s":4884,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},737,"103117","Now, if you have to cover for a brother who is stealing, a son who is stealing, yourself who are stealing, there's no way, my friend.",3543.82,3549.38,{"idx":4886,"utterance_id":4887,"speaker_name":175,"text":4888,"start_s":4889,"end_s":4890,"word_count":263,"indexable":178},738,"103118","Governor, you mentioned the Congress and you know the Congress well.",3549.42,3553.6,{"idx":4892,"utterance_id":4893,"speaker_name":175,"text":4894,"start_s":4895,"end_s":4896,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},739,"103119","And you know everything has changed there.",3553.9,3555.46,{"idx":4898,"utterance_id":4899,"speaker_name":175,"text":4900,"start_s":4901,"end_s":4902,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},740,"103120","The relationship between the executive and the legislature today in Brazil has nothing to do with what it used to be.",3556.2,3560.6,{"idx":4904,"utterance_id":4905,"speaker_name":175,"text":4906,"start_s":4907,"end_s":4908,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},741,"103121","The issue of governability today is an enigma.",3561.12,3564.14,{"idx":4910,"utterance_id":4911,"speaker_name":175,"text":4912,"start_s":4913,"end_s":4914,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":4915,"topic_label":4916,"target_id":4917,"target_proposition":4918,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":4919,"indexable":178},742,"103122","The power that this Congress has, including the amendments that are at the center of this discussion, is something that competes with the public policies of the government that was elected to govern.",3565.46,3575.2,"relacao-executivo-congresso-e-tramitacao-de-propostas","Executive-Congress Relations","5a897813-85fc-4fb3-a25a-d37083a21956","regulate the use of mandatory parliamentary amendments that compete with public policies","Points out that binding amendments compete with the government's public policies.",{"idx":4921,"utterance_id":4922,"speaker_name":175,"text":4923,"start_s":4924,"end_s":4925,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},743,"103123","So that's a tremendous problem.",3575.84,3577.76,{"idx":4927,"utterance_id":4928,"speaker_name":175,"text":4929,"start_s":4930,"end_s":4931,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},744,"103124","I'd like your opinion about that.",3578.24,3580.22,{"idx":4933,"utterance_id":4934,"speaker_name":175,"text":4935,"start_s":4936,"end_s":4937,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":4915,"topic_label":4916,"target_id":4938,"target_proposition":4939,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":4940,"indexable":178},745,"103125","How will you build your majority, if you are elected, in order to govern?",3580.64,3586.08,"f534e1db-5ce6-4d33-8dbe-e67b25af9f52","form a parliamentary majority to ensure governability","Asks how the governor would build a majority to govern.",{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":175,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":405,"indexable":178},746,"103126","How will you... impose your ideas even to get them discussed in Congress, when Congress has power it never had and that is almost an obstruction to the government at times?",3586.48,3598.52,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":175,"text":4950,"start_s":4951,"end_s":4952,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},747,"103127","How do you see that?",3598.86,3599.84,{"idx":4954,"utterance_id":4955,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4956,"start_s":4957,"end_s":4958,"word_count":237,"indexable":178},748,"103128","Because you were just saying here that Congress used to debate matters, it didn't have virtual voting?",3601.66,3608.18,{"idx":4960,"utterance_id":4961,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4962,"start_s":4963,"end_s":4964,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},749,"103129","The debate was about content, about budget approval, about oversight of the government, right?",3609.58,3615.54,{"idx":4966,"utterance_id":4967,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4968,"start_s":4969,"end_s":4970,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},750,"103130","And it wasn't genuine.",3615.76,3616.94,{"idx":4972,"utterance_id":4973,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4974,"start_s":4975,"end_s":4976,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},751,"103131","Brokers of mandatory amendments.",3617.02,3619.36,{"idx":4978,"utterance_id":4979,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4980,"start_s":4981,"end_s":4982,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},752,"103132","But then, exactly what we're discussing.",3620.48,3623,{"idx":4984,"utterance_id":4985,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4986,"start_s":4987,"end_s":4988,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},753,"103133","Look, what free presidency is there?",3623.6,3625.24,{"idx":4990,"utterance_id":4991,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":4992,"start_s":4993,"end_s":4994,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},754,"103134","What is the Brazilian political system?",3625.3,3627.86,{"idx":4996,"utterance_id":4997,"speaker_name":175,"text":4998,"start_s":4999,"end_s":5000,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},755,"103135","It's a presidential system that looks like a parliamentary one.",3629.6,3631.68,{"idx":5002,"utterance_id":5003,"speaker_name":175,"text":5004,"start_s":5005,"end_s":5006,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},756,"103136","That looks like nothing at all.",3632.02,3632.96,{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":175,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},757,"103137","Presidentialism with a Congress full of 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that fact.",3641.32,3646.92,"instituicoes","Institutions","97352809-c799-4ccb-8f15-04a8772825c7","prevent civil disobedience resulting from an institutional crisis",0.65,"Warns that institutional disorder could lead to civil disobedience.",{"idx":5044,"utterance_id":5045,"speaker_name":175,"text":5046,"start_s":5047,"end_s":5048,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},762,"103142","Our Constitution is parliamentarian.",3647.14,3648.92,{"idx":5050,"utterance_id":5051,"speaker_name":175,"text":5052,"start_s":5053,"end_s":5054,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},763,"103143","It was moving toward parliamentarism.",3648.96,3650.86,{"idx":5056,"utterance_id":5057,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5058,"start_s":5059,"end_s":5060,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},764,"103144","But the thing is that you have a president by popular 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presidential actions vis-à-vis other powers","Suggests that popular approval legitimizes actions before the STF and National Congress.",{"idx":5083,"utterance_id":5084,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5085,"start_s":5086,"end_s":5087,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},768,"103148","Deputies and senators, look, the government project is this.",3672.5,3675.84,{"idx":5089,"utterance_id":5090,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5091,"start_s":5092,"end_s":5093,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":4915,"topic_label":4916,"target_id":5094,"target_proposition":5095,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":2312,"rationale":5096,"indexable":178},769,"103149","Look, an impositive amendment only belongs in here.",3678,3681.96,"2e0c7ef5-e93c-4b74-b041-e974d688f0f9","limit mandatory parliamentary amendments to the scope of the government project","Says that the binding amendment 'só cabe aqui dentro' in the government's bill.",{"idx":5098,"utterance_id":5099,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5100,"start_s":5101,"end_s":5102,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},770,"103150","It doesn't fit outside even by a millimeter.",3683.08,3684.74,{"idx":5104,"utterance_id":5105,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":553,"start_s":5106,"end_s":5107,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},771,"103151",3684.78,3687.26,{"idx":5109,"utterance_id":5110,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5111,"start_s":5112,"end_s":5113,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},772,"103152","It only fits within the government's project.",3687.66,3689.78,{"idx":5115,"utterance_id":5116,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5117,"start_s":5118,"end_s":5119,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},773,"103153","That's presidentialism, my friend.",3691.12,3693.16,{"idx":5121,"utterance_id":5122,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5123,"start_s":5124,"end_s":5125,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},774,"103154","I won't give 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With 10 months of government, he will be removed from office here in Goiás.",3719.08,3724.34,{"idx":5179,"utterance_id":5180,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5181,"start_s":5182,"end_s":5183,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},784,"103164","I left the government with 88% approval and all the deputies...",3724.68,3729.28,{"idx":5185,"utterance_id":5186,"speaker_name":175,"text":5187,"start_s":5188,"end_s":5189,"word_count":225,"indexable":178},785,"103165","Look, the moderator of this debate is having difficulty, because our time has run out.",3730.26,3734.7,{"idx":5191,"utterance_id":5192,"speaker_name":175,"text":5193,"start_s":5194,"end_s":5195,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},786,"103166","Then it has to be a rapid-fire round with the governor.",3734.8,3737.42,{"idx":5197,"utterance_id":5198,"speaker_name":175,"text":5199,"start_s":5200,"end_s":5201,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1862,"topic_label":1863,"target_id":5202,"target_proposition":5203,"stance":242,"stance_confidence":453,"rationale":5204,"indexable":245},787,"103167","Will the alliance with Romeu Zema go ahead or not?",3737.54,3739.4,"ebea5377-195f-4f29-98fd-ce2b72eab423","form an alliance with Flávio Bolsonaro in the second round","Asks whether the alliance with Romeu Zema will happen or not.",{"idx":5206,"utterance_id":5207,"speaker_name":175,"text":5208,"start_s":5209,"end_s":5210,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},788,"103168","And you as Zema's running mate?",3739.6,3742.04,{"idx":5212,"utterance_id":5213,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5214,"start_s":5215,"end_s":5216,"word_count":237,"topic_slug":1862,"topic_label":1863,"target_id":5217,"target_proposition":5218,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":453,"rationale":5219,"indexable":245},789,"103169","You may know that we're going to continue, but you've seen that we've already smoothed things over, right?",3742.58,3747.32,"6802136c-d408-4007-90f9-4a8c8654b655","maintain a political alliance with Romeu Zema","Says 'nós vamos continuar' and that they have already pacified the relationship.",{"idx":5221,"utterance_id":5222,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5223,"start_s":5224,"end_s":5225,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},790,"103170","We've already taken the first step.",3748.18,3749.44,{"idx":5227,"utterance_id":5228,"speaker_name":175,"text":5229,"start_s":5230,"end_s":5231,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},791,"103171","But pacify you, Mr. Vice?",3749.52,3751,{"idx":5233,"utterance_id":5234,"speaker_name":175,"text":5235,"start_s":5236,"end_s":5237,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},792,"103172","A quick question, governor.",3751.08,3752.2,{"idx":5239,"utterance_id":5240,"speaker_name":175,"text":5241,"start_s":5242,"end_s":5243,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},793,"103173","In eight days, governor.",3752.8,3754.62,{"idx":5245,"utterance_id":5246,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5247,"start_s":5248,"end_s":5249,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},794,"103174","Everyone's like that, nobody wants to create problems, let's get to work.",3755.42,3758.02,{"idx":5251,"utterance_id":5252,"speaker_name":175,"text":5253,"start_s":5254,"end_s":5255,"word_count":232,"indexable":178},795,"103175","And we'll continue, but in a Minas Gerais way.",3758.06,3760.72,{"idx":5257,"utterance_id":5258,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5259,"start_s":5260,"end_s":5261,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},796,"103176","You're from Minas, you know how it is. You don't eat porridge by sticking the spoon in the middle of the plate.",3760.76,3765.48,{"idx":5263,"utterance_id":5264,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5265,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},797,"103177","You eat porridge by nibbling around the edges, understand?",3765.52,3768.38,{"idx":5269,"utterance_id":5270,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5271,"start_s":5272,"end_s":5273,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":1862,"topic_label":1863,"target_id":5274,"target_proposition":5275,"stance":410,"stance_confidence":1598,"rationale":5276,"indexable":178},798,"103178","So we'll do politics that way, nibbling around the edges, slowly.",3769,3772.4,"c39ae8f8-5d71-4f70-a651-10f241be19f0","make political alliances to obtain positions","States a strategy of doing politics 'comendo pelas beiradas', slowly.",{"idx":5278,"utterance_id":5279,"speaker_name":175,"text":5280,"start_s":5281,"end_s":5282,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},799,"103179","To continue, governor, do you already have a meeting scheduled with... with Zema in eight days?",3772.46,3778.42,{"idx":5284,"utterance_id":5285,"speaker_name":175,"text":5286,"start_s":5287,"end_s":5288,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},800,"103180","No, it'll be before.",3778.62,3780.06,{"idx":5290,"utterance_id":5291,"speaker_name":175,"text":5292,"start_s":5293,"end_s":5294,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},801,"103181","It will be before.",3780.34,3781.14,{"idx":5296,"utterance_id":5297,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5298,"start_s":5299,"end_s":5300,"word_count":331,"indexable":178},802,"103182","It's because on Monday there's the big milk meeting, which is the largest dairy exposition in Latin America; it'll be in Belo Horizonte.",3781.22,3789.68,{"idx":5302,"utterance_id":5303,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5304,"start_s":5305,"end_s":5306,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},803,"103183","I think I'll meet with him there as well.",3789.74,3791.14,{"idx":5308,"utterance_id":5309,"speaker_name":175,"text":5310,"start_s":5311,"end_s":5312,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},804,"103184","Take the opportunity to square things away with him.",3791.18,3792.34,{"idx":5314,"utterance_id":5315,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5316,"start_s":5317,"end_s":5318,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},805,"103185","No, no, we'll be talking, that sort of thing.",3793.14,3795.24,{"idx":5320,"utterance_id":5321,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5322,"start_s":5323,"end_s":5324,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},806,"103186","Hey, Mito, you're the experienced one — there's no such thing, you know how it is. There was a man... here's the thing, let me tell it — it's hard to tell, just a little story, really.",3796.08,3803.96,{"idx":5326,"utterance_id":5327,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5328,"start_s":5329,"end_s":5330,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},807,"103187","There was a man in Minas Gerais, in the land of the Rio, in Oliveira, who said that a man arrived riding a very beautiful mule, alright?",3804.28,3811.86,{"idx":5332,"utterance_id":5333,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5334,"start_s":5335,"end_s":5336,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},808,"103188","He said that people kept showing up all the time, and he asked an excessive price and wouldn't sell the mule.",3812.2,3817,{"idx":5338,"utterance_id":5339,"speaker_name":114,"speaker_slug":113,"text":5340,"start_s":5341,"end_s":5342,"word_count":218,"indexable":178},809,"103189","And the man came and said, 'How much do you want for the 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