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donation.",1327.28,1332.62,0.7,"states the party's history of not accepting quid pro quos (factual defense).",{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":175,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},240,"126142","But can't that also be an argument for Flávio?",1332.66,1334.04,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":1627,"target_id":1628,"target_proposition":1629,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1725,"rationale":1726,"indexable":180},241,"126143","It has already been used, in fact.",1335.58,1337.24,0.65,"says the argument was already used by someone else (description of debate).",{"idx":1728,"utterance_id":1729,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1730,"start_s":1731,"end_s":1732,"word_count":223,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":1627,"target_id":1628,"target_proposition":1629,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1733,"rationale":1734,"indexable":180},242,"126144","Now, how much did he donate to the PL?",1338.14,1339.7,0.68,"rhetorical question about the amount donated to PL (informational context).",{"idx":1736,"utterance_id":1737,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1738,"start_s":1739,"end_s":1740,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":1626,"topic_label":1627,"target_id":1628,"target_proposition":1629,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1725,"rationale":1741,"indexable":180},243,"126145","I'm sure it must have been much more to his party; I have no idea, but it probably was.",1339.74,1345.04,"speculative claim that the donation to PL was larger (report).",{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":175,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":326,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":1750,"target_proposition":1751,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1711,"rationale":1752,"indexable":180},244,"126146","Sorry, there was some discomfort too, because the Novo is, in many states, allied with the PL, especially even in the major races, including in the South.",1346.42,1359.94,"aliancas-politicas","Political Alliances","c59559fc-960a-4f1e-a8d1-80b23a1807ad","articulate and form alliances with parties to compose a ticket","points to discomfort over Novo-PL coalitions in states (report\u002Fquestioning).",{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1754,"speaker_name":175,"text":1755,"start_s":1756,"end_s":1757,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":1750,"target_proposition":1751,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1733,"rationale":1758,"indexable":180},"126147","Did this cause stress, a disagreement within the party?",1361.46,1366.08,"asks about internal disagreements caused by alliances (questioning).",{"idx":1760,"utterance_id":1761,"speaker_name":175,"text":1762,"start_s":1763,"end_s":1764,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},246,"126148","How do you see that relationship today?",1366.16,1369.42,{"idx":1766,"utterance_id":1767,"speaker_name":175,"text":1768,"start_s":1769,"end_s":1770,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},247,"126149","Did it come to shake the alliances between the Novo and the PL?",1369.52,1374.18,{"idx":1772,"utterance_id":1773,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1774,"start_s":1775,"end_s":1776,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},248,"126150","No, Ricardo.",1375.06,1375.74,{"idx":1778,"utterance_id":1779,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1780,"start_s":1781,"end_s":1782,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":1785,"indexable":324},249,"126151","Of course there were people who didn't like my statement, but I said, look, my fight is against the untouchables.",1375.8,1386,"6d813853-f2d4-42fd-95ab-2decac02d65f","investigate and hold politicians accountable for corruption","declares 'minha luta é contra os intocáveis' as an active stance.",{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":1792,"indexable":324},250,"126152","If I criticized a justice of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) who had a close relationship with the banker, I'll criticize others.",1387.18,1395.56,"says they will criticize ministers with dubious ties (supports accountability).",{"idx":1794,"utterance_id":1795,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1796,"start_s":1797,"end_s":1798,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":340,"rationale":1799,"indexable":324},251,"126153","If my son has [such a thing], I'll criticize my son.",1395.8,1397.98,"says they would criticize even their own son — defends equal accountability.",{"idx":1801,"utterance_id":1802,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1803,"start_s":1804,"end_s":1805,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":381,"rationale":1806,"indexable":324},252,"126154","It's a matter of coherence for me and my party.",1398.86,1402.18,"states personal and party consistency in criticizing irregularities.",{"idx":1808,"utterance_id":1809,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1810,"start_s":1811,"end_s":1812,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},253,"126155","If you hit Chico, you have to hit Francisco.",1403.24,1405.86,{"idx":1814,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":304,"start_s":1816,"end_s":1817,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},254,"126156",1405.9,1406.78,{"idx":1819,"utterance_id":1820,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1821,"start_s":1822,"end_s":1823,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":1750,"target_proposition":1751,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1675,"rationale":1824,"indexable":180},255,"126157","Some people were displeased; they were.",1407.48,1409.4,"reports there was displeasure among members (description of 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banker.",1432.02,1439.04,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},261,"126163","And then it surfaced.",1439.54,1440.48,{"idx":1865,"utterance_id":1866,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1867,"start_s":1868,"end_s":1869,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":1750,"target_proposition":1751,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1651,"rationale":1870,"indexable":180},262,"126164","So if anyone was taken for a ride there, it was... us of the Partido Novo, you understand?",1441.68,1446.72,"claims Partido Novo was deceived about involvement (report).",{"idx":1872,"utterance_id":1873,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1874,"start_s":1875,"end_s":1876,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},263,"126165","Because it had been said, no, we're clean here.",1447.06,1449.72,{"idx":1878,"utterance_id":1879,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1880,"start_s":1881,"end_s":1882,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":1703,"rationale":1883,"indexable":180},264,"126166","Later we saw there was dirt.",1450.12,1451.66,"says 'sujeira' was uncovered after the event (description of irregularity).",{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":175,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},265,"126167","Governor, you mentioned the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) and you made a series of videos, you continue making a series of videos about the so-called untouchables.",1453.24,1464.5,{"idx":1891,"utterance_id":1892,"speaker_name":175,"text":1893,"start_s":1894,"end_s":1895,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},266,"126168","That generated a lot of engagement, generated a lot of controversy, and has now led to a criminal proceeding in the STJ (Superior Court of Justice).",1465.62,1475.14,{"idx":1897,"utterance_id":1898,"speaker_name":175,"text":1899,"start_s":1900,"end_s":1901,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},267,"126169","How do you assess this?",1476.8,1478.24,{"idx":1903,"utterance_id":1904,"speaker_name":175,"text":1905,"start_s":1906,"end_s":1907,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},268,"126170","Will you continue?",1478.38,1479.66,{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":175,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},269,"126171","Will you go all the way?",1480.1,1481.04,{"idx":478,"utterance_id":1915,"speaker_name":175,"text":1916,"start_s":1917,"end_s":1918,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},"126172","How do you read this situation?",1481.8,1484.34,{"idx":1920,"utterance_id":1921,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1922,"start_s":1923,"end_s":1924,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":1925,"indexable":324},271,"126173","Samer, today we have a Brasília living in luxury and Brazil in the garbage.",1486.02,1493.2,"criticizes elites and says they will continue denouncing corrupt people.",{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},272,"126174","Politicians in wealth and Brazilians in poverty.",1494.3,1498.92,{"idx":1933,"utterance_id":1934,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1935,"start_s":1936,"end_s":1937,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},273,"126175","If we remain silent, complicit with this situation, this Brazil will never change.",1500.74,1507.82,{"idx":1939,"utterance_id":1940,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1941,"start_s":1942,"end_s":1943,"word_count":400,"topic_slug":1944,"topic_label":1945,"target_id":1946,"target_proposition":1947,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":681,"rationale":1948,"indexable":324},274,"126176","I will continue speaking; I've already been summoned, my defense is being prepared or has already been presented, there is a deadline I don't recall, but my conscience, Samir, is extremely calm.",1508.08,1523.34,"liberdade-de-expressao-censura","Freedom of Expression \u002F Censorship","6269bf21-35df-4d3a-bfc6-a81d81634472","continue denouncing untouchables despite court proceedings","says they will keep speaking despite subpoenas and legal proceedings.",{"idx":1950,"utterance_id":1951,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1952,"start_s":1953,"end_s":1954,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":1955,"indexable":324},275,"126177","Since I started criticizing the untouchables, I began to sleep better.",1524.08,1529.04,"says that criticizing the untouchables improved his conscience and routine (defense of action)",{"idx":1957,"utterance_id":1958,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1959,"start_s":1960,"end_s":1961,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},276,"126178","I think that signals I'm in harmony with myself, do you agree?",1530.08,1534.96,{"idx":1963,"utterance_id":1964,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1965,"start_s":1966,"end_s":1967,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},277,"126179","When you're silent, when you fail to do something you could, for someone with a sharper conscience, that bothers them.",1535.4,1545.04,{"idx":1969,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},278,"126180","And I've never slept so well in my life.",1545.56,1547.72,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},279,"126181","I'm even thanking God for that.",1547.76,1549.92,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},280,"126182","So I think I'm at peace.",1550.3,1551.62,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":1944,"topic_label":1945,"target_id":1946,"target_proposition":1947,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":1992,"indexable":180},281,"126183","If they want to arrest me, arrest me.",1551.96,1553.9,"declares willingness to be imprisoned for maintaining accusations (active political stance)",{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},282,"126184","I even need to read some books.",1554.08,1555.9,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},283,"126185","Later you can give me some recommendations too.",1555.96,1558.22,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},284,"126186","I'll use it to rest and read.",1558.7,1560.5,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},285,"126187","I'm doing the right 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wife's contract an affront to dignity and calls for accountability",{"idx":2035,"utterance_id":2036,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2037,"start_s":2038,"end_s":2039,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},288,"126190","He is someone who holds a lifetime position.",1588.54,1590.34,{"idx":2041,"utterance_id":2042,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2043,"start_s":2044,"end_s":2045,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},289,"126191","If it were a secretary or some appointed official, it would be very serious.",1590.96,1596.42,{"idx":2047,"utterance_id":2048,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2049,"start_s":2050,"end_s":2051,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":2029,"topic_label":2030,"target_id":2031,"target_proposition":2032,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":2052,"indexable":324},290,"126192","But in a serious country, we would already have witnessed the resignation or dismissal of that justice a long time ago.",1596.86,1604.74,"states that in a serious country 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greedy.",1620.48,1626.42,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":296,"indexable":180},294,"126196","It's the people in Brasília who are greedy, those who already receive a good, very high salary by Brazilian standards.",1626.5,1635.16,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},295,"126197","and are still there wanting to rake in millions by profiting from their office.",1635.9,1640.9,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1783,"target_proposition":1784,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":2089,"indexable":324},296,"126198","I will carry this fight forward, no matter what happens.",1641.38,1645.12,"says he will carry on the fight against corruption regardless of the 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I think I was the only pre-candidate who went to El Salvador to see it.",1991.24,1998.72,{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},361,"126263","this experience which, as far as I know, is unique in the history of humankind.",1999.34,2004.16,{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2506,"start_s":2507,"end_s":2508,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2488,"target_proposition":2489,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":2509,"indexable":324},362,"126264","A 99% reduction in homicides over a four-year period.",2005.2,2011.48,"reports a reduction in homicides in El Salvador as empirical evidence",{"idx":2511,"utterance_id":2512,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2513,"start_s":2514,"end_s":2515,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},363,"126265","They are saving thousands of lives there each year.",2013.08,2016.64,{"idx":2517,"utterance_id":2518,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2519,"start_s":2520,"end_s":2521,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2488,"target_proposition":2489,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":2522,"indexable":324},364,"126266","And what El Salvador did is a guide for what Brazil needs to do, which is to classify as terrorists all those who are in factions or criminal organizations.",2017.58,2035.26,"specifically advocates 'enquadrar como terroristas' criminal factions",{"idx":2524,"utterance_id":2525,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2526,"start_s":2527,"end_s":2528,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2488,"target_proposition":2489,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":2529,"indexable":324},365,"126267","This was done there: a minimum sentence of 25 years, with no right to any benefits.",2035.5,2042.86,"mentions a minimum sentence of 25 years without benefits as a model to follow",{"idx":2531,"utterance_id":2532,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2533,"start_s":2534,"end_s":2535,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},366,"126268","We're talking about people who kill for any reason.",2043.54,2046.38,{"idx":2537,"utterance_id":2538,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2539,"start_s":2540,"end_s":2541,"word_count":326,"indexable":180},367,"126269","I was there, I spoke with federal authorities, vice-presidents, the minister of public security, but I made a point especially to speak more with the humble population.",2047.56,2059.78,{"idx":2543,"utterance_id":2544,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2545,"start_s":2546,"end_s":2547,"word_count":170,"indexable":180},368,"126270","I went into the communities; 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knife?",2473.58,2477.82,"politica-de-armas","Weapons Policy","3b62a582-3444-456c-a4d6-63dcdc3c749f","facilitate access to firearms for citizens without criminal records","uses comparison with a knife to argue against restrictions on citizens 'de bem'",{"idx":2989,"utterance_id":2990,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2991,"start_s":2992,"end_s":2993,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},439,"126341","Any child can go to the supermarket and buy one.",2478.84,2481.32,{"idx":2995,"utterance_id":2996,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2997,"start_s":2998,"end_s":2999,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":2985,"target_proposition":2986,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":681,"rationale":3000,"indexable":180},440,"126342","A firearm is not a knife.",2481.92,2483.24,"states 'Arma de fogo não é faca' as an argument in favor of loosening restrictions",{"idx":3002,"utterance_id":3003,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3004,"start_s":3005,"end_s":3006,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":2985,"target_proposition":2986,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":444,"rationale":3007,"indexable":180},441,"126343","But we cannot restrict",2484.3,2488.16,"states that the use of firearms by law-abiding citizens must not be restricted (normative opinion)",{"idx":3009,"utterance_id":3010,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3011,"start_s":3012,"end_s":3013,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":2985,"target_proposition":2986,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":340,"rationale":3014,"indexable":324},442,"126344","the use of weapons by those who want them and are law-abiding.",2489.26,2492.9,"argues that 'do bem' citizens should have access while bad ones can smuggle weapons.",{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":2985,"target_proposition":2986,"stance":321,"stance_confidence":366,"rationale":3021,"indexable":324},443,"126345","Because in Brazil today it's the criminals who have access to firearms.",2493.98,2498.22,"states that criminals are able to smuggle guns (report\u002Fargument).",{"idx":3023,"utterance_id":3024,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3025,"start_s":3026,"end_s":3027,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},444,"126346","Those who are bad can smuggle them, buy them on the black market whenever they 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highway.",2528.56,2529.68,{"idx":3062,"utterance_id":3063,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3064,"start_s":3065,"end_s":3066,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},450,"126352","If I had had a gun there, it could have been different.",2530.54,2533.62,{"idx":3068,"utterance_id":3069,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":414,"start_s":3070,"end_s":3071,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},451,"126353",2533.66,2534.6,{"idx":3073,"utterance_id":3074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3075,"start_s":3076,"end_s":3077,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},452,"126354","The other times, including here in São Paulo.",2535.14,2537.12,{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},453,"126355","The other was in 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arms race by the bandits and a population totally exposed and vulnerable.",2554.5,2565.44,"d0ea1eb9-9530-48d7-90b3-ef18ddea699c","conduct federal operations against drug trafficking and arms trafficking","describes a 'corrida armamentista' without proposing a specific measure.",{"idx":3103,"utterance_id":3104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3105,"start_s":3106,"end_s":3107,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":3108,"stance_confidence":1675,"rationale":3109,"indexable":180},456,"126358","I'm not going to say I'm pro-gun, no.",2566.26,2568.06,"ambiguo","denies the label 'pró-arma' without repudiating the policy he 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anyone.",2573.68,2575.96,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":189,"indexable":180},460,"126362","Buy it? No.",2576.16,2576.98,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":777,"rationale":3141,"indexable":324},461,"126363","But we also can't prevent a law-abiding citizen who wants a gun at his establishment, who has been robbed many times, from having that weapon.",2577.52,2588.28,"defends the right of a 'do bem' citizen to have a gun after robberies.",{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":223,"topic_slug":2983,"topic_label":2984,"target_id":3090,"target_proposition":3091,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":3148,"indexable":180},462,"126364","So it's something along those lines.",2588.76,2590.92,"summarizes his previous position: 'algo que vai nessa linha'.",{"idx":3150,"utterance_id":3151,"speaker_name":175,"text":3152,"start_s":3153,"end_s":3154,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},463,"126365","Do you feel that this election will take place in a climate of full freedom of expression, sir?",2595.34,2600.12,{"idx":3156,"utterance_id":3157,"speaker_name":175,"text":3158,"start_s":3159,"end_s":3160,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},464,"126366","How do you see the landscape of freedom of expression in Brazil today, sir?",2602.76,2608.1,{"idx":3162,"utterance_id":3163,"speaker_name":175,"text":3164,"start_s":3165,"end_s":3166,"word_count":332,"indexable":180},465,"126367","Is Brazil experiencing a moment of threat, of censorship, or are you going into the campaign feeling unrestricted to say whatever you please, sir?",2608.14,2619.26,{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":3177,"indexable":324},466,"126368","Ricardo, from the subpoena... the lawsuit I received last week, I've already noticed they're trying to gag me.",2620.32,2629.76,"liberdade-religiosa-e-de-expressao","Religious Freedom \u002F Free Expression","c5bce490-d16a-4576-a19d-6b5c3e1c1f21","protect freedom of expression","says the judicial action is 'cercear' and expresses concern about censorship.",{"idx":3179,"utterance_id":3180,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3181,"start_s":3182,"end_s":3183,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":681,"rationale":3184,"indexable":324},467,"126369","Being afraid of a little puppet, of satire, which is more common than that in a democracy, isn't it?",2631.86,2637.92,"defends satire and criticizes the fear of censorship as incompatible with democracy.",{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":381,"rationale":3191,"indexable":324},468,"126370","And if he filed a lawsuit against me, it seems the shoe fits him.",2638.64,2643.44,"interprets the judicial action against him as an attempt to silence him.",{"idx":3193,"utterance_id":3194,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3195,"start_s":3196,"end_s":3197,"word_count":223,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3198,"target_proposition":3199,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":3200,"indexable":180},469,"126371","A Supreme Court justice using a criminal's jet.",2644.14,2648.92,"840156e0-cda2-4798-bb99-e7eba875f67f","investigate and punish corruption and recover public funds","accuses an STF minister of using 'jatinho de bandido' — calls for consequences.",{"idx":3202,"utterance_id":3203,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3204,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":3207,"target_proposition":3208,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":3209,"indexable":324},470,"126372","Between us... In a serious country, that would already have had other consequences.",2650.78,2656.72,"43fee9fb-f934-4192-a4a9-1637d2154705","investigate and punish abuse of authority by members of the Judiciary","says that in a serious country there would be consequences, calling for accountability.",{"idx":3211,"utterance_id":3212,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3213,"start_s":3214,"end_s":3215,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},471,"126373","And you mentioning that is being considered offensive.",2657.48,2661,{"idx":3217,"utterance_id":3218,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3219,"start_s":3220,"end_s":3221,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},472,"126374","So I am very worried.",2662.3,2664.7,{"idx":3223,"utterance_id":3224,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3225,"start_s":3226,"end_s":3227,"word_count":302,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":3228,"indexable":324},473,"126375","We are seeing a growing attempt to silence dissenters, using the judiciary as a kind of censoring power.",2665.24,2676.9,"speaks of a 'tentativa crescente de calar quem discorda' via the judiciary.",{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":681,"rationale":3235,"indexable":324},474,"126376","to be able to shut mouths, to avoid certain topics, but I will continue, do you understand?",2677.56,2684.32,"states that he will continue to speak despite attempts to silence topics.",{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1703,"rationale":3242,"indexable":324},475,"126377","Do whatever you want to me, as I said, my conscience is clear.",2684.54,2689.54,"refuses to be intimidated and says he has a clear conscience, defending free expression.",{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":366,"rationale":3249,"indexable":324},476,"126378","If I were to be just another little sheep, I'd stay at home; there's already plenty of little sheep obeying and saying 'amen.'",2689.92,2697.7,"uses anti-conformist rhetoric and positions himself against self-censorship.",{"idx":3251,"utterance_id":3252,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3253,"start_s":3254,"end_s":3255,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},477,"126379","I'm here to do things differently.",2697.74,2699.24,{"idx":3257,"utterance_id":3258,"speaker_name":175,"text":3259,"start_s":3260,"end_s":3261,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},478,"126380","That recent poll that was suspended by Cássio Nunes — did you consider it censorship, right?",2700.74,2707.2,{"idx":3263,"utterance_id":3264,"speaker_name":175,"text":3265,"start_s":3266,"end_s":3267,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},479,"126381","There was a statement about that.",2707.24,2708.88,{"idx":3269,"utterance_id":3270,"speaker_name":175,"text":3271,"start_s":3272,"end_s":3273,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},480,"126382","Were there any more details on how that decision was justified?",2709.76,2713.06,{"idx":3275,"utterance_id":3276,"speaker_name":175,"text":3277,"start_s":3278,"end_s":3279,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},481,"126383","What's your assessment?",2713.18,2713.82,{"idx":3281,"utterance_id":3282,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3283,"start_s":3284,"end_s":3285,"word_count":223,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3175,"target_proposition":3176,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":3286,"indexable":180},482,"126384","No, but I consider it censorship.",2714.44,2716.76,"states that the suspension of research was 'uma censura'.",{"idx":3288,"utterance_id":3289,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3290,"start_s":3291,"end_s":3292,"word_count":294,"indexable":180},483,"126385","When you have a poll that followed technical criteria, where everything is clear about how it was done... Someone might even say, no, this poll is biased because it was asked that way.",2716.86,2729.18,{"idx":3294,"utterance_id":3295,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3296,"start_s":3297,"end_s":3298,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},484,"126386","No, this poll is biased because it was done on the internet; the internet sample isn't that close to the real world.",2729.6,2736.68,{"idx":3300,"utterance_id":3301,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3302,"start_s":3303,"end_s":3304,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},485,"126387","You make the interpretations.",2736.74,2738.4,{"idx":3306,"utterance_id":3307,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3308,"start_s":3309,"end_s":3310,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":3173,"topic_label":3174,"target_id":3311,"target_proposition":3312,"stance":2777,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":3313,"indexable":324},486,"126388","Now, prohibiting publication, I don't agree with that.",2738.82,2742.82,"2e665331-db81-4818-9652-1abf0ed574da","prohibit 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place my name.",2812.08,2817.36,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},494,"126396","That held true for 99% of the campaign.",2818.14,2822.86,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},495,"126397","Only in the last week, when I took part in the debates and when the voter from Minas began to assess who the candidates were, did my name grow very significantly.",2823.8,2838.74,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},496,"126398","And I went to the runoff, not just in second place, but in first.",2839.38,2843.7,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},497,"126399","And with a very large 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etc.",2897.98,2902.72,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},505,"126407","So, Brazilians, especially now with a World Cup, don't give a damn.",2903.66,2911.1,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},506,"126408","An election, I tend to say, is like a restaurant menu.",2911.6,2914.88,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},507,"126409","You open it and choose what to eat when you arrive.",2914.96,2920.12,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},508,"126410","Nobody gets the menu a month in advance to be evaluating it.",2921.34,2926.78,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},509,"126411","A more informed Brazilian, who is a minority, assesses proposals, etc.",2927.54,2932.04,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},510,"126412","The most common vote in the 2022 election in Minas Gerais was the Lula‑Zema vote, just so you see.",2933.1,2941.98,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":296,"indexable":180},511,"126413","I don't consider myself at all aligned with the president, but the voter's head is not a Cartesian one.",2943.44,2952.82,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},512,"126414","They often think: 'Oh, I found Samer likable, he's good‑looking, he says this and that; I'll vote for him.'",2953.4,2960.7,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},513,"126415","You understand?",2961.36,2961.82,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3479,"start_s":3480,"end_s":3481,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},514,"126416","Voters go a lot by that.",2961.96,2963.52,{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},515,"126417","And they'll only see those candidates later on.",2964.08,2967.4,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},516,"126418","Today, those who answer polls tend to follow that 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will be evaluated more on the eve.",2977,2983.14,{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},522,"126424","But I know that, to a certain extent, those two poles still exist.",2983.56,2988.96,{"idx":736,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},"126425","Now, an interesting fact: in Minas that has ended.",2989.28,2992.6,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},524,"126426","Anyone who follows Minas politics knows there is no longer PT vs. anti‑PT.",2993.8,2998.66,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},525,"126427","What exists there today is a group I support, Novo 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over.",3022.8,3025.64,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":175,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},530,"126432","But that does not reflect in the Minas vote at the national level, in the presidential race.",3025.94,3029.98,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},531,"126433","Not yet, because voters from Minas are also in the same situation.",3031.48,3034.46,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},532,"126434","People in Minas don't even know I'm a presidential candidate.",3034.52,3037.02,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},533,"126435","I walk the streets there; when I say, 'How great it would be if you were [president],' they don't even 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there's a lot that can happen, and this year bears a resemblance to 2018.",3082.72,3089.46,{"idx":3643,"utterance_id":3644,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3645,"start_s":3641,"end_s":3646,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},542,"126444","2018 was the election of the anti‑politician.",3093.26,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},543,"126445","I and several other outsiders were elected.",3093.86,3097.88,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},544,"126446","And I think I'm one of the very few survivors of that cohort.",3098.64,3102.36,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},545,"126447","Most are no longer 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circumstances?",3157.76,3159.74,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":175,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":394,"indexable":180},559,"126461","Why do you think Bolsonaro failed to win re‑election, returning the presidency to the left — remembering that the PT has now won five of the last six terms?",3160.84,3174.14,{"idx":3750,"utterance_id":3751,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3752,"start_s":3753,"end_s":3754,"word_count":511,"topic_slug":3755,"topic_label":3756,"target_id":3757,"target_proposition":3758,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":340,"rationale":3759,"indexable":324},560,"126462","Ricardo, I got on very well with President Bolsonaro; I worked with him for four years — I as governor, he as president — and it was the same with his ministers, especially Tarcísio, whom I had the most contact with because of infrastructure issues between Minas Gerais and the federal government.",3176.08,3199.26,"politicas-de-saude-reprodutiva","Reproductive 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growing, deficits in all countries increased, but he made advances that should be acknowledged.",3244.1,3255.3,{"idx":3792,"utterance_id":3793,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3794,"start_s":3795,"end_s":3796,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},566,"126468","And I think, in my view, his biggest setback — where perhaps he conveyed himself inadequately — was his stance on the pandemic itself.",3256.02,3269.36,{"idx":3798,"utterance_id":3799,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3800,"start_s":3801,"end_s":3802,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},567,"126469","You see?",3269.88,3270.26,{"idx":3804,"utterance_id":3805,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3806,"start_s":3807,"end_s":3808,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},568,"126470","That's where I think he was not successful in how he expressed 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doctors.",3281.32,3287.66,{"idx":3823,"utterance_id":3824,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3825,"start_s":3826,"end_s":3827,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":3755,"topic_label":3756,"target_id":3828,"target_proposition":3829,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":3830,"indexable":324},571,"126473","In Minas Gerais, I left that to my health secretary to handle.",3288.16,3292.72,"fdfdcf15-2661-4494-97e3-6084d5e76233","delegate public health decisions and management to specialized professionals","says he left pandemic management to his medical secretary.",{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},572,"126474","I'm not a health professional; I don't feel comfortable recommending medication to anyone, understand?",3293.24,3300.88,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},573,"126475","Now my health secretary, who is a doctor, does.",3301.2,3303.7,{"idx":3844,"utterance_id":3845,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3846,"start_s":3847,"end_s":3848,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},574,"126476","So if he had done that, perhaps he would be our president today.",3304.2,3309.08,{"idx":3850,"utterance_id":3851,"speaker_name":175,"text":3852,"start_s":3853,"end_s":3854,"word_count":439,"topic_slug":3755,"topic_label":3756,"target_id":3757,"target_proposition":3758,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":3855,"indexable":324},575,"126477","Governor, you've already said the election is only decided on the eve when people evaluate, but the current, most likely scenario, at least for now, is a runoff between Lula and Flávio Bolsonaro.",3309.86,3324.72,"says that if Bolsonaro had delegated, he would have had a better result.",{"idx":3857,"utterance_id":3858,"speaker_name":175,"text":3859,"start_s":3860,"end_s":3861,"word_count":332,"indexable":180},576,"126478","You've also made strong statements here, both when that Master scandal broke and you continue to say you consider what happened very serious.",3325.5,3334.42,{"idx":3863,"utterance_id":3864,"speaker_name":175,"text":3865,"start_s":3866,"end_s":3867,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},577,"126479","We know that Minas... it's kind of a mini‑Brazil, our swing state.",3335.06,3339.98,{"idx":3869,"utterance_id":3870,"speaker_name":175,"text":3871,"start_s":3872,"end_s":3873,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},578,"126480","Whoever wins in Minas wins the presidential election.",3340.54,3343.3,{"idx":3875,"utterance_id":3876,"speaker_name":175,"text":3877,"start_s":3878,"end_s":3879,"word_count":294,"indexable":180},579,"126481","Given the discomfort you've expressed about Flávio's connection to that scandal, doesn't it make your support for Flávio in Minas a bit complicated in a runoff?",3344.18,3353.96,{"idx":3881,"utterance_id":3882,"speaker_name":175,"text":3883,"start_s":3884,"end_s":3885,"word_count":326,"indexable":180},580,"126482","You've also said you'll be aligned with whoever is the anti‑PT candidate, whether that's you or another candidate.",3354.34,3360.52,{"idx":3887,"utterance_id":3888,"speaker_name":175,"text":3889,"start_s":3890,"end_s":3891,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},581,"126483","How will that play out in a hypothetical runoff between Flávio and Lula?",3360.88,3364.84,{"idx":3893,"utterance_id":3894,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3895,"start_s":3896,"end_s":3897,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":3898,"target_proposition":3899,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":3900,"indexable":324},582,"126484","Renato, here in Brazil it will be similar to the Chilean election a few months ago.",3366.36,3373.28,"814cbbdf-1c97-4395-b6ac-0de6f5f41c60","unite right-wing candidates in the second round against the left","declares that in the second round 'estaremos todos juntos contra o PT'.",{"idx":3902,"utterance_id":3903,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3904,"start_s":3905,"end_s":3906,"word_count":179,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":3898,"target_proposition":3899,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":3907,"indexable":324},583,"126485","Some right‑wing candidates — and in the second round we'll all be together against the PT.",3373.92,3381.16,"reaffirms the intention to unite the right in the second round.",{"idx":3909,"utterance_id":3910,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3911,"start_s":3912,"end_s":3913,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},584,"126486","I may disagree with Flávio on some things, but I completely disagree with the PT.",3382.48,3387.38,{"idx":3915,"utterance_id":3916,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3917,"start_s":3918,"end_s":3919,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},585,"126487","Got it?",3387.92,3388.42,{"idx":3921,"utterance_id":3922,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3923,"start_s":3924,"end_s":3925,"word_count":296,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":3898,"target_proposition":3899,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":3926,"indexable":324},586,"126488","So we'll certainly be together in the runoff, and I'm working to make it to the runoff.",3388.52,3397.26,"assures 'com toda certeza' support in the second round against the PT.",{"idx":3928,"utterance_id":3929,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3930,"start_s":3931,"end_s":3932,"word_count":296,"indexable":180},587,"126489","In Minas Gerais I've already proven that a comeback is possible and happens on the eve; it usually doesn't happen much earlier.",3398.04,3405.74,{"idx":3934,"utterance_id":3935,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3936,"start_s":3937,"end_s":3938,"word_count":348,"indexable":180},588,"126490","When Brazilians see there's a different kind of candidate — that I come from the private sector, that I've always been a taxpayer and not a tax recipient.",3406.38,3417.18,{"idx":3940,"utterance_id":3941,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3942,"start_s":3943,"end_s":3944,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},589,"126491","I don't have a political family name; I have a résumé.",3417.72,3420.62,{"idx":3946,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3948,"start_s":3949,"end_s":3950,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3951,"target_proposition":3952,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1703,"rationale":3953,"indexable":324},590,"126492","I created 5,000 jobs in the private sector — that was my first life mission — and I created 1,030,000 jobs during my tenure as governor of Minas.",3420.66,3434.2,"a92bdab2-6f3b-44cd-8ce9-cea9610d0c64","reduce unemployment","Claims creating positions as a concrete action of his administration.",{"idx":3955,"utterance_id":3956,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3957,"start_s":3958,"end_s":3959,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":3960,"target_proposition":3961,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":3962,"indexable":324},591,"126493","Minas, which used to be a broke state, is now in order with its accounts up to date.",3435.02,3438.76,"401e58a5-34b4-41bc-ad18-0a9dc5ad9cd1","recover public services and state finances","Presents as an achievement a 'estado arrumado com as contas em dias'.",{"idx":3964,"utterance_id":3965,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3966,"start_s":3967,"end_s":3968,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},592,"126494","It's not wealthy, no, but it's a state that's been put in order and is making investments.",3438.82,3444.92,{"idx":3970,"utterance_id":3971,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3972,"start_s":3973,"end_s":3974,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},593,"126495","And I say that Brazil, Renato, needs a shake-up.",3445.52,3448.3,{"idx":3976,"utterance_id":3977,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3978,"start_s":3979,"end_s":3980,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},594,"126496","In the private sector they often use that term 'turnaround.'",3448.88,3452.58,{"idx":3982,"utterance_id":3983,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3984,"start_s":3985,"end_s":3986,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},595,"126497","A company that's in trouble, going bankrupt,",3453.72,3456.42,{"idx":3988,"utterance_id":3989,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3556,"start_s":3990,"end_s":3991,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},596,"126498",3456.5,3456.7,{"idx":3993,"utterance_id":3994,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3995,"start_s":3996,"end_s":3997,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},597,"126499","it's not someone from inside who gets the job done, it's someone from outside.",3457.68,3462.34,{"idx":3999,"utterance_id":4000,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4001,"start_s":4002,"end_s":4003,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},598,"126500","Because those on the inside have similar ideas.",3462.9,3467.62,{"idx":4005,"utterance_id":4006,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4007,"start_s":4008,"end_s":4009,"word_count":326,"indexable":180},599,"126501","And we already know that politicians in Brazil find it common to give jobs to a son, to a nephew, to an uncle, I don't know what else.",3467.8,3476.42,{"idx":4011,"utterance_id":4012,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4013,"start_s":4014,"end_s":4015,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},600,"126502","In Minas, despite the state having 300,000 employees, I didn't bring a single relative.",3477.16,3482.52,{"idx":4017,"utterance_id":4018,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4019,"start_s":4020,"end_s":4021,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},601,"126503","There's not a single relative of mine who supplied goods or services or benefited from my position.",3483.04,3486.56,{"idx":4023,"utterance_id":4024,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4025,"start_s":4026,"end_s":4027,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4028,"target_proposition":4029,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":381,"rationale":4030,"indexable":324},602,"126504","I had zero corruption, zero scandals during my administration.",3487.9,3492.26,"e564cc95-4758-47fa-8b15-dcedad48384e","combat corruption and mismanagement in public administration","Says he had 'zero corrupção' during his administration.",{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4034,"start_s":4035,"end_s":4036,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},603,"126505","I only brought competent people, who were chosen by human resources consultancies, all with goals to meet.",3492.5,3500.7,{"idx":4038,"utterance_id":4039,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4040,"start_s":4041,"end_s":4042,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},604,"126506","So I see that Brazil needs a shake-up.",3501.38,3504.02,{"idx":4044,"utterance_id":4045,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4046,"start_s":4047,"end_s":4048,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},605,"126507","And generally those who were raised within this political environment that exists in Brazil find many practices",3504.48,3512.62,{"idx":4050,"utterance_id":4051,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4052,"start_s":4053,"end_s":4054,"word_count":326,"topic_slug":4055,"topic_label":108,"target_id":4056,"target_proposition":4057,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1651,"rationale":4058,"indexable":180},606,"126508","that I consider totally questionable, commonplace, like bringing relatives, distributing favors, that large party electoral fund, which is important, but it shouldn't be that amount.",3513.36,3525.38,"financiamento-de-campanha","c9cd0ae3-30f3-451c-bb91-a1e23449f41a","reduce the party fund and public financing of campaigns","Criticizes the size of the party fund ('fundão') and suggests it shouldn't be that large.",{"idx":4060,"utterance_id":4061,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4062,"start_s":4063,"end_s":4064,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},607,"126509","So I'll be traveling around Brazil, presenting my proposals, and there's a lot to happen until October.",3525.98,3533.86,{"idx":4066,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":175,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},608,"126510","Governor, looking at your history, it's eight years as a politician.",3534.86,3539.28,{"idx":846,"utterance_id":4072,"speaker_name":175,"text":4073,"start_s":4074,"end_s":4075,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},"126511","In these eight years... What was your biggest mistake?",3540.9,3543.92,{"idx":4077,"utterance_id":4078,"speaker_name":175,"text":4079,"start_s":4080,"end_s":4081,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},610,"126512","My biggest mistake?",3546.2,3547.46,{"idx":4083,"utterance_id":4084,"speaker_name":175,"text":4085,"start_s":4086,"end_s":4087,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},611,"126513","Political.",3547.96,3548.54,{"idx":4089,"utterance_id":4090,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4085,"start_s":4091,"end_s":4092,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},612,"126514",3548.78,3549.46,{"idx":4094,"utterance_id":4095,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4096,"start_s":4097,"end_s":4098,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},613,"126515","Oh Samir, I think there were many, you know?",3552.18,3554.88,{"idx":4100,"utterance_id":4101,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4102,"start_s":4103,"end_s":4104,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},614,"126516","There wasn't just one, no.",3555.18,3556.38,{"idx":4106,"utterance_id":4107,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4108,"start_s":4109,"end_s":4110,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},615,"126517","I think we are always making mistakes.",3557.22,3561.82,{"idx":4112,"utterance_id":4113,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4114,"start_s":4115,"end_s":4116,"word_count":221,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4117,"target_proposition":4118,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":444,"rationale":4119,"indexable":324},616,"126518","First, I can tell you that I assembled an excessively technical team.",3562.86,3568.98,"24b16c76-934b-495b-9324-7d0e90836833","balance technical and political criteria in public appointments","Acknowledges an error from an overly technical team and argues for including politics.",{"idx":4121,"utterance_id":4122,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4123,"start_s":4124,"end_s":4125,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},617,"126519","Then I saw that I needed to have a bit of politics in the mix, you know?",3569.06,3573.1,{"idx":4127,"utterance_id":4128,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4129,"start_s":4130,"end_s":4131,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},618,"126520","So, if you're in politics, you have to have political people.",3573.84,3577.68,{"idx":4133,"utterance_id":4134,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4135,"start_s":4136,"end_s":4137,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},619,"126521","To give you some examples.",3578.68,3579.94,{"idx":4139,"utterance_id":4140,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4141,"start_s":4142,"end_s":4143,"word_count":267,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4117,"target_proposition":4118,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":4144,"indexable":324},620,"126522","At the beginning, for the regional education superintendencies in Minas Gerais, regional health superintendencies, we only held selection processes.",3580.1,3590.88,"Explains that a purely technical selection process does not always yield the best political fit.",{"idx":4146,"utterance_id":4147,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4148,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},621,"126523","And sometimes whoever passes the selection process is not the best.",3591.9,3596.18,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},622,"126524","He may be the best technically, but he can't relate well to the mayors.",3596.8,3603.02,{"idx":4158,"utterance_id":4159,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4160,"start_s":4161,"end_s":4162,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},623,"126525","with the deputies in the region.",3603.74,3605.8,{"idx":4164,"utterance_id":4165,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4166,"start_s":4167,"end_s":4168,"word_count":256,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4117,"target_proposition":4118,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1703,"rationale":4169,"indexable":324},624,"126526","So sometimes the endorsement of a state or federal deputy can help a lot.",3606.42,3613.4,"Advocates mixing political appointments with technical selection, with targets.",{"idx":4171,"utterance_id":4172,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4173,"start_s":4174,"end_s":4175,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},625,"126527","And we started mixing things, then we'd say, deputy, you have this fellow you say is very good, he'll go through the selection process here.",3613.96,3622.46,{"idx":4177,"utterance_id":4178,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4179,"start_s":4180,"end_s":4181,"word_count":332,"indexable":180},626,"126528","We saw that he was a capable person and we'd make it clear to the deputy, look, if he meets the targets, he stays.",3622.54,3630.16,{"idx":4183,"utterance_id":4184,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4185,"start_s":4186,"end_s":4187,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},627,"126529","Now, if he does something wrong... he won't continue with us.",3630.42,3634.74,{"idx":4189,"utterance_id":4190,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4191,"start_s":4192,"end_s":4193,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},628,"126530","And it worked better than you only considering the technical side.",3635.24,3640.18,{"idx":4195,"utterance_id":4196,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4197,"start_s":4198,"end_s":4199,"word_count":406,"indexable":180},629,"126531","So there's an additional side that we could call human, which I experienced in the company, but which in the public sector might be called political, that has to be weighed, you understand?",3640.56,3653.74,{"idx":4201,"utterance_id":4202,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4203,"start_s":4204,"end_s":4205,"word_count":400,"indexable":180},630,"126532","And there in Minas too, I also say that I may have perhaps given... excessive attention to more technical and less political issues, also due to my profile as a private manager, but I kept learning.",3654.64,3673.22,{"idx":4207,"utterance_id":4208,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4209,"start_s":4210,"end_s":4211,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},631,"126533","Over time, these mistakes diminished.",3673.68,3677.14,{"idx":4213,"utterance_id":4214,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4215,"start_s":4216,"end_s":4217,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},632,"126534","Perhaps at the start of the government is where there was a greater 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Seleção is seeing a concentration on the left around the name of Lula and a, I don't want to say fragmentation, but a plurality of candidacies on the right with you, Caiado, Flávio and Renan.",3686.78,3707.88,{"idx":4237,"utterance_id":4238,"speaker_name":175,"text":4239,"start_s":4240,"end_s":4241,"word_count":332,"indexable":180},636,"126538","Why hasn't the Brazilian right been able to produce a prior process of unification, of dialogue and of... of rapprochement to confront the government?",3710.92,3726.36,{"idx":4243,"utterance_id":4244,"speaker_name":175,"text":4245,"start_s":4246,"end_s":4247,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},637,"126539","Lula had four years for that.",3727.16,3730.12,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4249,"speaker_name":175,"text":4250,"start_s":4251,"end_s":4252,"word_count":348,"indexable":180},"126540","In other words, why is there still so much division on the right and why hasn't a broad grassroots party or a unifying political process been produced?",3731.22,3743.2,{"idx":4254,"utterance_id":4255,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4256,"start_s":4257,"end_s":4258,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},639,"126541","Ricardo, when I... I decided, with partido novo, to launch my pre-candidacy.",3745.1,3752.96,{"idx":4260,"utterance_id":4261,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4262,"start_s":4263,"end_s":4264,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},640,"126542","I was with Bolsonaro there in Brasília.",3753.92,3756.44,{"idx":4266,"utterance_id":4267,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4268,"start_s":4269,"end_s":4270,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},641,"126543","He hadn't even had the electronic ankle bracelet put on yet.",3757.54,3762.18,{"idx":876,"utterance_id":4272,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4273,"start_s":4274,"end_s":4275,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},"126544","And to inform him of the launch, that I would be a pre-candidate, he said, \"Zema, go ahead.\"",3763.42,3770,{"idx":4277,"utterance_id":4278,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4279,"start_s":4280,"end_s":4281,"word_count":223,"topic_slug":4282,"topic_label":4283,"target_id":4284,"target_proposition":4285,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":340,"rationale":4286,"indexable":180},643,"126545","The more right-wing candidates there are, the better.",3770.74,3774.64,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Presidential Elections","345a2085-ff54-4c84-8b38-88ec1659f598","consolidate an alliance among right-wing candidates","Says that 'quantos mais candidatos à direita tiver, melhor' and that there will be later unity.",{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},644,"126546","Let's say... that today we had only one candidate.",3776.24,3780.48,{"idx":4294,"utterance_id":4295,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4296,"start_s":4297,"end_s":4298,"word_count":267,"indexable":180},645,"126547","I think the percentage of votes of that single right-wing candidate would be smaller than the sum of ours.",3780.98,3790.66,{"idx":4300,"utterance_id":4301,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4302,"start_s":4303,"end_s":4304,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":4282,"topic_label":4283,"target_id":4284,"target_proposition":4285,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":4305,"indexable":324},646,"126548","So, that would not solve the voting issue.",3791.72,3796.76,"Argues that a single candidate would get fewer votes than the combined total.",{"idx":4307,"utterance_id":4308,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4309,"start_s":4310,"end_s":4311,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},647,"126549","More candidates always means more votes.",3798.52,3800.98,{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":453,"indexable":180},648,"126550","Someone who puts forward an additional candidate for federal or state office will bring at least half a dozen votes, a dozen votes, because even if it's just his family they'll still vote for him and wouldn't be voting within that other party.",3801.06,3815.94,{"idx":4319,"utterance_id":4320,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4321,"start_s":4322,"end_s":4323,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},649,"126551","So that, I would say, doesn't even hinder the right.",3816.74,3821.02,{"idx":4325,"utterance_id":4326,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4327,"start_s":4328,"end_s":4329,"word_count":194,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":3898,"target_proposition":3899,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":681,"rationale":4330,"indexable":324},650,"126552","It may mean fragmentation, a division, but as I said, in the second round we'll all be together.",3821.16,3829.3,"Says that despite fragmentation, 'no segundo turno nós vamos estar todos juntos'.",{"idx":4332,"utterance_id":4333,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4334,"start_s":4335,"end_s":4336,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},651,"126553","And this proves, Ricardo, even that the right has been more competent at developing talent as well.",3829.96,3835.9,{"idx":4338,"utterance_id":4339,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4340,"start_s":4341,"end_s":4342,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},652,"126554","Because what other name would the left have to put forward as a presidential candidate, if not the current one?",3837.1,3846.42,{"idx":4344,"utterance_id":4345,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4346,"start_s":4347,"end_s":4348,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},653,"126555","I don't think there would be one.",3847.24,3848.24,{"idx":4350,"utterance_id":4351,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4352,"start_s":4353,"end_s":4354,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},654,"126556","And it will probably be the last time he takes part in an election.",3848.86,3852.96,{"idx":4356,"utterance_id":4357,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4358,"start_s":4359,"end_s":4360,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},655,"126557","Not least because he can't be re-elected and because of his age too, such that in a possible re-election down the road he'll be approaching around 90 years old or so.",3853.42,3865.08,{"idx":4362,"utterance_id":4363,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4364,"start_s":4365,"end_s":4366,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},656,"126558","So, I don't see this as a weakness of the right.",3865.9,3870.28,{"idx":4368,"utterance_id":4369,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4370,"start_s":4371,"end_s":4372,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},657,"126559","I even see a different context.",3870.9,3874.74,{"idx":4374,"utterance_id":4375,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4376,"start_s":4377,"end_s":4378,"word_count":267,"indexable":180},658,"126560","The right perhaps still hasn't found a path, but that's what I'm going to show Brazilians.",3875.24,3881.36,{"idx":4380,"utterance_id":4381,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4382,"start_s":4383,"end_s":4384,"word_count":294,"indexable":180},659,"126561","I see that by my trajectory, I'm somewhat what many Brazilians aspire to in life, which is to be an entrepreneur, to have a better situation, without depending on the government.",3883.16,3900.1,{"idx":4386,"utterance_id":4387,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4388,"start_s":4389,"end_s":4390,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},660,"126562","I went into politics, I don't know if you know, out of indignation, due to the 2015-16 recession.",3900.92,3908.36,{"idx":4392,"utterance_id":4393,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4394,"start_s":4395,"end_s":4396,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},661,"126563","During that recession I was the company's president. They were the two worst years of my life.",3908.9,3915.48,{"idx":4398,"utterance_id":4399,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4400,"start_s":4401,"end_s":4402,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},662,"126564","I had to reduce the company's staff by more than 2,500 employees.",3916.04,3921.24,{"idx":4404,"utterance_id":4405,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4406,"start_s":4407,"end_s":4408,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},663,"126565","That caused me enormous emotional damage.",3922.58,3926.2,{"idx":4410,"utterance_id":4411,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4412,"start_s":4413,"end_s":4414,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},664,"126566","I had to go to a psychiatrist, because I lost my taste for food, I couldn't sleep, etc.",3926.96,3932.1,{"idx":4416,"utterance_id":4417,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4418,"start_s":4419,"end_s":4420,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},665,"126567","And that's when I began to see.",3932.84,3934.3,{"idx":4422,"utterance_id":4423,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4424,"start_s":4425,"end_s":4426,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},666,"126568","What's the point of studying a lot?",3935.04,3937.32,{"idx":4428,"utterance_id":4429,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4430,"start_s":4431,"end_s":4432,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},667,"126569","being a good professional, starting a good business if you're in a country that's sinking.",3938.1,3943.4,{"idx":4434,"utterance_id":4435,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4436,"start_s":4437,"end_s":4438,"word_count":294,"topic_slug":4439,"topic_label":4440,"target_id":4441,"target_proposition":4442,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":4443,"indexable":324},668,"126570","And it was sinking because of the PT, because of the Lava Jato, the impeachment, those successive scandals we had in 2015, 16, 17, which were the peak there.",3943.94,3959.36,"polarizacao-e-ideologia","Polarization and Ideology","1a3c21e7-f348-4741-a694-1f6405e3769e","publicly oppose the PT","Blames the recession on the PT, justifying explicit political opposition.",{"idx":4445,"utterance_id":4446,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4447,"start_s":4448,"end_s":4449,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},669,"126571","That's what led me into politics.",3960.02,3961.74,{"idx":4451,"utterance_id":4452,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4453,"start_s":4454,"end_s":4455,"word_count":187,"topic_slug":4439,"topic_label":4440,"target_id":4441,"target_proposition":4442,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":777,"rationale":4456,"indexable":324},670,"126572","I'm in politics today because of the PT.",3961.92,3964.66,"Says he is in politics because of the PT (a reason for opposition).",{"idx":4458,"utterance_id":4459,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4460,"start_s":4461,"end_s":4462,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},671,"126573","It showed that Brazil, in those two years, was the only country in the world that put it in reverse.",3965.54,3973.36,{"idx":4464,"utterance_id":4465,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4466,"start_s":4467,"end_s":4468,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},672,"126574","The whole world growing.",3973.9,3975.36,{"idx":4470,"utterance_id":4471,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4472,"start_s":4473,"end_s":4474,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},673,"126575","Everyone else getting a grade of 9.",3975.78,3977.7,{"idx":4476,"utterance_id":4477,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4478,"start_s":4479,"end_s":4480,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},674,"126576","Brazil got a grade of 2.",3977.98,3979.18,{"idx":4482,"utterance_id":4483,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4484,"start_s":4485,"end_s":4486,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},675,"126577","Because of the PT, of Lula and of Dilma.",3980.36,3982.96,{"idx":4488,"utterance_id":4489,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4490,"start_s":4491,"end_s":4492,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},676,"126578","That is what made me enter politics.",3983.44,3985.74,{"idx":4494,"utterance_id":4495,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4496,"start_s":4497,"end_s":4498,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},677,"126579","I said, there's no point in working a lot, no.",3985.78,3987.7,{"idx":4500,"utterance_id":4501,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4502,"start_s":4503,"end_s":4504,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},678,"126580","You need to participate too, because otherwise it's those people who are there, those thieves, who will be taking over the country.",3987.74,3995.54,{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":4439,"topic_label":4440,"target_id":4441,"target_proposition":4442,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":651,"rationale":4511,"indexable":324},679,"126581","So that is my banner and I will always be against the PT.",3996.16,4000,"Says 'vou estar sempre contra o PT' — an explicit position of opposition.",{"idx":4513,"utterance_id":4514,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4515,"start_s":4516,"end_s":4517,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":1748,"topic_label":1749,"target_id":4518,"target_proposition":4519,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1161,"rationale":4520,"indexable":180},680,"126582","So the right can count on me.",4000.1,4002.26,"a5382cc0-fba4-427f-abbc-23b2af97fb5a","support right-wing candidacies and political forces","Says that 'a direita pode contar comigo', a clear electoral support.",{"idx":4522,"utterance_id":4523,"speaker_name":175,"text":4524,"start_s":4525,"end_s":4526,"word_count":59,"indexable":180},681,"126583","Governor, still looking at the election, it's a consensus that the evangelical vote can be quite decisive for this contest.",4002.78,4012.1,{"idx":4528,"utterance_id":4529,"speaker_name":175,"text":4530,"start_s":4531,"end_s":4532,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},682,"126584","What is your relationship with that segment?",4012.9,4014.9,{"idx":4534,"utterance_id":4535,"speaker_name":175,"text":4536,"start_s":4537,"end_s":4538,"word_count":194,"indexable":180},683,"126585","Do you think that... a mix between politics and religion is acceptable, this issue of a secular state?",4016.18,4023.56,{"idx":4540,"utterance_id":4541,"speaker_name":175,"text":4542,"start_s":4543,"end_s":4544,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},684,"126586","How do you evaluate the entry, in fact, of evangelicals into politics?",4023.62,4027.02,{"idx":4546,"utterance_id":4547,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4548,"start_s":4549,"end_s":4550,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},685,"126587","Renato, first, I come from a Catholic family, I believe in God, I'm not that Catholic who goes regularly to Mass, but I'm always praying and, above all, laboring.",4028.6,4047.06,{"idx":4552,"utterance_id":4553,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4554,"start_s":4555,"end_s":4556,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},686,"126588","I think Jesus made it very clear: pray and labor.",4047.88,4051.06,{"idx":4558,"utterance_id":4559,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4560,"start_s":4561,"end_s":4562,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},687,"126589","And, honestly, I have labored a lot and have labored my whole life.",4051.68,4056.18,{"idx":4564,"utterance_id":4565,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4566,"start_s":4567,"end_s":4568,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},688,"126590","So much so that the company is up and running, generating more than 5,000 jobs.",4056.24,4060.28,{"idx":4570,"utterance_id":4571,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4572,"start_s":4573,"end_s":4574,"word_count":267,"indexable":180},689,"126591","A company that was that small and that, when I left, had multiplied its size hundreds of times.",4060.94,4068.48,{"idx":4576,"utterance_id":4577,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4578,"start_s":4579,"end_s":4580,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},690,"126592","But God has always enlightened me.",4069.48,4071.22,{"idx":4582,"utterance_id":4583,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4584,"start_s":4585,"end_s":4586,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},691,"126593","I'm 61 years old, I can't complain about anything.",4071.94,4074.98,{"idx":4588,"utterance_id":4589,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4590,"start_s":4591,"end_s":4592,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},692,"126594","I have two children who don't depend on me; they are independent.",4075.68,4080.5,{"idx":4594,"utterance_id":4595,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4596,"start_s":4597,"end_s":4598,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},693,"126595","My daughter lives in London.",4080.62,4081.92,{"idx":4600,"utterance_id":4601,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4602,"start_s":4603,"end_s":4604,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},694,"126596","My dream is that Brazilians who are abroad return to Brazil.",4082.02,4086.94,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4606,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4607,"start_s":4608,"end_s":4609,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},"126597","Five million Brazilians living abroad.",4087.52,4090.48,{"idx":4611,"utterance_id":4612,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4613,"start_s":4614,"end_s":4615,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},696,"126598","And we need to find a way to fix this country.",4091.2,4093.92,{"idx":4617,"utterance_id":4618,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4619,"start_s":4620,"end_s":4621,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},697,"126599","In El Salvador, I didn't mention, 300,000 Salvadorans who lived in the United States have already returned.",4094.38,4100.98,{"idx":4623,"utterance_id":4624,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4625,"start_s":4626,"end_s":4627,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},698,"126600","Does your documentary touch on that point?",4101.56,4103.74,{"idx":4629,"utterance_id":4630,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4631,"start_s":4632,"end_s":4633,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},699,"126601","I don't recall exactly.",4104.16,4105.04,{"idx":4635,"utterance_id":4636,"speaker_name":175,"text":4637,"start_s":4638,"end_s":4639,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},700,"126602","That specific number, I don't think so.",4105.1,4106.58,{"idx":4641,"utterance_id":4642,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4643,"start_s":4644,"end_s":4645,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},701,"126603","Tourism tripled and 300,000 Salvadorans returned.",4107.3,4111.48,{"idx":4647,"utterance_id":4648,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4649,"start_s":4650,"end_s":4651,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},702,"126604","So I see that religion plays an extremely important role.",4112.4,4117.84,{"idx":4653,"utterance_id":4654,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4655,"start_s":4656,"end_s":4657,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4658,"target_proposition":4659,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":1703,"rationale":4660,"indexable":324},703,"126605","During my government in Minas Gerais, I accompanied many projects there in Minas Gerais that are run by churches, mainly evangelical ones, and the number of marriages they save.",4118.16,4133.02,"78d864ac-0f82-4788-ad13-c2483d9db67e","recognize partnerships between the State and churches for social actions","Reports having overseen works led by churches as an argument for partnership.",{"idx":4662,"utterance_id":4663,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4664,"start_s":4665,"end_s":4666,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},704,"126606","The way they make people happier, the number of people they steer away from alcohol, drugs, and other vices — it's something no one can measure.",4134.04,4146.28,{"idx":4668,"utterance_id":4669,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4670,"start_s":4671,"end_s":4672,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},705,"126607","And however much we have an operative, efficient State, the State will never be able to do this frontline work the way temples and churches do.",4147.42,4160.5,{"idx":4674,"utterance_id":4675,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4676,"start_s":4677,"end_s":4678,"word_count":394,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4679,"target_proposition":4680,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":777,"rationale":4681,"indexable":324},706,"126608","So it's work that, in my opinion, needs full recognition and, if possible, support from the State, in the sense of acknowledging the huge social and welfare work these institutions do today.",4161.08,4180.98,"afce7ccc-69f5-41c2-b8a8-c0f065d154a7","allocate public resources to social assistance institutions","Asks for 'total reconhecimento e, se possível, apoio por parte do Estado' for churches.",{"idx":4683,"utterance_id":4684,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4685,"start_s":4686,"end_s":4687,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},707,"126609","The State is not in a position to be, let's say, that human embrace.",4182.14,4188.66,{"idx":4689,"utterance_id":4690,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4691,"start_s":4692,"end_s":4693,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},708,"126610","But the pastor who is on the ground is able to do it much better than any state technocrat or bureaucrat.",4189.14,4197.94,{"idx":4695,"utterance_id":4696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4697,"start_s":4698,"end_s":4699,"word_count":427,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4700,"target_proposition":4701,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":777,"rationale":4702,"indexable":324},709,"126611","So we have to give that recognition and do everything so that these churches can properly carry out this work, without any kind of burden regarding taxation, without any kind of questioning about what they do.",4198.46,4219.02,"39bf9815-30f2-4c01-a09f-ea4e5fbd8fee","grant tax benefits to religious institutions","Argues that churches should operate 'sem nenhum tipo de ônus referente à parte tributária'.",{"idx":4704,"utterance_id":4705,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4706,"start_s":4707,"end_s":4708,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},710,"126612","So it's something I see that way and it needs recognition.",4219.68,4225.3,{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":175,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":294,"indexable":180},711,"126613","Governor... Regarding Eduardo Bolsonaro's actions in the United States, at some moments, especially around the tariffs, there was a recovery in President Lula's popularity because of Eduardo's actions there.",4226.38,4244.08,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4716,"speaker_name":175,"text":4717,"start_s":4718,"end_s":4719,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},"126614","Not necessarily because of the actions themselves, but because of the reaction that occurred in response to the tariffs.",4245.18,4251.62,{"idx":4721,"utterance_id":4722,"speaker_name":175,"text":4723,"start_s":4724,"end_s":4725,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},713,"126615","How do you assess Eduardo Bolsonaro's performance outside Brazil?",4252.52,4257.5,{"idx":4727,"utterance_id":4728,"speaker_name":175,"text":4729,"start_s":4730,"end_s":4731,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},714,"126616","Is your reading that it was more beneficial or more harmful to the Brazilian right?",4258.32,4263.3,{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":647,"topic_label":648,"target_id":4738,"target_proposition":4739,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":4740,"indexable":324},715,"126617","Samir, Brazil's international relations are conducted by Itamaraty.",4265.3,4274.02,"8f2a554c-5b28-4310-af14-ab291d1c7077","ensure Itamaraty conducts Brazil's foreign policy","Says that 'relações internacionais do Brasil é conduzida pelo Itamaraty'.",{"idx":4742,"utterance_id":4743,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4744,"start_s":4745,"end_s":4746,"word_count":326,"indexable":180},716,"126618","Anyone who comes in and wants to do something else is very likely, in a way, doing something that can add to or subtract from it.",4275.38,4295.72,{"idx":4748,"utterance_id":4749,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4750,"start_s":4751,"end_s":4752,"word_count":9,"indexable":180},717,"126619","In his specific case, I would say the intention may have been good; now the result, regarding the tariff, we are not seeing.",4296.82,4309.76,{"idx":4754,"utterance_id":4755,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4756,"start_s":4757,"end_s":4758,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},718,"126620","We had a tariff measure and we'll have it again; it's already being prepared, etc.",4310.32,4316.3,{"idx":4760,"utterance_id":4761,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4762,"start_s":4763,"end_s":4764,"word_count":359,"topic_slug":647,"topic_label":648,"target_id":4765,"target_proposition":4766,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":4767,"indexable":324},719,"126621","So I see that much of the retaliation Brazil is receiving is due to a Lula government, which has in its DNA a questioning of the United States.",4317.5,4332.68,"e849245a-705c-4562-832b-8d0f0a6533d1","reconnect Brazil with the United States and Western countries","Attributes retaliations to the previous government's anti‑American alignment and argues for the opposite.",{"idx":4769,"utterance_id":4770,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4771,"start_s":4772,"end_s":4773,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},720,"126622","And it starts from having been close to Fidel Castro, Cuba, Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela.",4333.96,4341.48,{"idx":4775,"utterance_id":4776,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4777,"start_s":4778,"end_s":4779,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},721,"126623","The authoritarian regime of Iran and other nations that are clearly anti-American.",4341.92,4349.24,{"idx":4781,"utterance_id":4782,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4783,"start_s":4784,"end_s":4785,"word_count":267,"indexable":180},722,"126624","When the United States is retaliating against Brazil, I see it's largely due to those actions by Lula.",4349.94,4355.9,{"idx":4787,"utterance_id":4788,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4789,"start_s":4790,"end_s":4791,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},723,"126625","He may be trying to contribute there, but one person acting alone to contribute in international relations, in a country that holds those positions, is very difficult.",4356.6,4369.92,{"idx":4793,"utterance_id":4794,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4795,"start_s":4796,"end_s":4797,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},724,"126626","But I respect his work, his attempt; the result is another matter.",4370.38,4375.5,{"idx":4799,"utterance_id":4800,"speaker_name":175,"text":4801,"start_s":4802,"end_s":4803,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},725,"126627","And we've already spoken about the Trump administration recognizing the PCC and Comando Vermelho as terrorists.",4376.84,4385.24,{"idx":4805,"utterance_id":4806,"speaker_name":175,"text":4807,"start_s":4808,"end_s":4809,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},726,"126628","Also as a possible result of that action by Eduardo that was mentioned.",4385.3,4388.16,{"idx":4811,"utterance_id":4812,"speaker_name":175,"text":4813,"start_s":4814,"end_s":4815,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},727,"126629","It was also on the agenda.",4388.22,4390.82,{"idx":4817,"utterance_id":4818,"speaker_name":175,"text":4819,"start_s":4820,"end_s":4821,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},728,"126630","But I wanted to ask you specifically about the Trump administration.",4391.62,4395.22,{"idx":4823,"utterance_id":4824,"speaker_name":175,"text":4825,"start_s":4826,"end_s":4827,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},729,"126631","What is your view",4395.42,4396.96,{"idx":4829,"utterance_id":4830,"speaker_name":175,"text":4831,"start_s":4832,"end_s":4833,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},730,"126632","of the American government.",4398.32,4400.12,{"idx":4835,"utterance_id":4836,"speaker_name":175,"text":4837,"start_s":4838,"end_s":4839,"word_count":15,"indexable":180},731,"126633","On one hand, this issue can help Brazil in public security; on the other, there are the tariffs, a very hardline stance on immigration, and the war in the Middle East.",4401,4414.64,{"idx":4841,"utterance_id":4842,"speaker_name":175,"text":4843,"start_s":4844,"end_s":4845,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},732,"126634","In what way do you assess the Trump administration and its consequences for Brazil?",4416.66,4420.96,{"idx":4847,"utterance_id":4848,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4849,"start_s":4850,"end_s":4851,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},733,"126635","Ricardo, I think there are two considerations there.",4422.14,4425.16,{"idx":4853,"utterance_id":4854,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4855,"start_s":4856,"end_s":4857,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},734,"126636","First, Trump.",4425.6,4426.62,{"idx":4859,"utterance_id":4860,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4861,"start_s":4862,"end_s":4863,"word_count":326,"topic_slug":4864,"topic_label":4865,"target_id":4866,"target_proposition":4867,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":322,"rationale":4868,"indexable":324},735,"126637","He perceived more than other American presidents the growth of China's influence and has tried to slow it down a bit, which is commendable.",4427.94,4443.32,"politica-comercial","Commercial Policy","7f938620-93d3-41d8-bd70-0bc5013bff6e","resolve international tariff disputes to protect Brazilian industry","Acknowledges attempts to curb China's influence and proposes creating mechanisms.",{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":267,"indexable":180},736,"126638","A nation that has been using many artifices — dumping, invading markets such as steel here in Brazil —",4444.86,4454.66,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},737,"126639","in order to gain market at any cost.",4456.38,4458.96,{"idx":4882,"utterance_id":4883,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4884,"start_s":4885,"end_s":4886,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},738,"126640","But I view his way of conducting things with some reservation.",4459.86,4466.22,{"idx":4888,"utterance_id":4889,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4890,"start_s":4891,"end_s":4892,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},739,"126641","I think with a lot of fireworks, with much wear-and-tear, I'll annex Canada, etc.",4467.1,4474.96,{"idx":4894,"utterance_id":4895,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4896,"start_s":4897,"end_s":4898,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},740,"126642","I don't think that sits well.",4476.22,4477.64,{"idx":4900,"utterance_id":4901,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4902,"start_s":4903,"end_s":4904,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},741,"126643","I'm someone who tends more toward restraint, you understand?",4478.28,4482.8,{"idx":4906,"utterance_id":4907,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4908,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},742,"126644","China is threatening us, all right.",4483.4,4485.82,{"idx":4912,"utterance_id":4913,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4914,"start_s":4915,"end_s":4916,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},743,"126645","Let's create mechanisms here, but to put on a whole theater,",4486.44,4491.14,{"idx":4918,"utterance_id":4919,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4920,"start_s":4921,"end_s":4922,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},744,"126646","etc.,",4491.22,4491.44,{"idx":4924,"utterance_id":4925,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4926,"start_s":4927,"end_s":4928,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},745,"126647","maybe I'm even wrong and he's right.",4492.34,4494.94,{"idx":4930,"utterance_id":4931,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4932,"start_s":4933,"end_s":4934,"word_count":296,"indexable":180},746,"126648","But, sincerely, it's not really my style, and it seems his disapproval rating inside the United States is very high.",4495.38,4503.86,{"idx":4936,"utterance_id":4937,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4938,"start_s":4939,"end_s":4940,"word_count":296,"indexable":180},747,"126649","It seems that the life of the American, even with all he has done, has not improved as expected.",4504.58,4513.54,{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},748,"126650","But I see that his main concern may be that, which makes sense.",4514.16,4519.24,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4950,"start_s":4951,"end_s":4952,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":4864,"topic_label":4865,"target_id":4953,"target_proposition":4954,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":4955,"indexable":324},749,"126651","And remember that Brazil has created an increasingly dependent relationship with China.",4519.28,4525.16,"6e5115cb-3f5d-4bb6-863f-c6720ed5d51f","diversify exports and reduce excessive economic dependence on China","Warns about dependence on China and recommends selling to more countries.",{"idx":4957,"utterance_id":4958,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4959,"start_s":4960,"end_s":4961,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},750,"126652","I'm from retail.",4526.46,4528.14,{"idx":4963,"utterance_id":4964,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4965,"start_s":4966,"end_s":4967,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},751,"126653","It's never good to have a customer who accounts for 30 or 40% of your sales.",4528.64,4534.44,{"idx":4969,"utterance_id":4970,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4971,"start_s":4972,"end_s":4973,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},752,"126654","You have to sell to the whole world and not to one or two countries.",4534.48,4539.9,{"idx":4975,"utterance_id":4976,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4977,"start_s":4978,"end_s":4979,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},753,"126655","And then at some point they say, 'I won't buy anymore.'",4540,4542.68,{"idx":4981,"utterance_id":4982,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4983,"start_s":4984,"end_s":4985,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},754,"126656","We're going to have a gigantic economic crisis here.",4543.3,4545.74,{"idx":4987,"utterance_id":4988,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4989,"start_s":4990,"end_s":4991,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},755,"126657","And it seems to me that the PT thinks China only wants to benefit.",4546.42,4551.6,{"idx":4993,"utterance_id":4994,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4995,"start_s":4996,"end_s":4997,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},756,"126658","That may be true in the short term and in the long term.",4551.74,4554.3,{"idx":4999,"utterance_id":5000,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5001,"start_s":5002,"end_s":5003,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},757,"126659","Pressure will come, other things will come.",4554.76,4557.68,{"idx":5005,"utterance_id":5006,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5007,"start_s":5008,"end_s":5009,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},758,"126660","So, this international relationship of the PT, to me, is quite mistaken.",4558.22,4562.9,{"idx":5011,"utterance_id":5012,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5013,"start_s":5014,"end_s":5015,"word_count":216,"indexable":180},759,"126661","An unmeasured rapprochement with dictatorships, mainly.",4562.98,4568.1,{"idx":5017,"utterance_id":5018,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5019,"start_s":5020,"end_s":5021,"word_count":326,"indexable":180},760,"126662","that I mentioned, and a distancing from the West, which are the Christian countries with which we identify; we have a common history.",4568.44,4576.74,{"idx":5023,"utterance_id":5024,"speaker_name":175,"text":5025,"start_s":5026,"end_s":5027,"word_count":273,"topic_slug":647,"topic_label":648,"target_id":4765,"target_proposition":4766,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":381,"rationale":5028,"indexable":324},761,"126663","Would you, as President of the Republic, bring Brazil closer to the United States at the expense of China?",4577.06,4582.76,"Responds positively to the idea of reengagement with the West (OECD).",{"idx":968,"utterance_id":5030,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5031,"start_s":5032,"end_s":5033,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},"126664","To the West, which Brazil was in the OECD.",4583.06,4585.84,{"idx":5035,"utterance_id":5036,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5037,"start_s":5038,"end_s":5039,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},763,"126665","Would that be a seal of quality for Brazil?",4586.28,4588.38,{"idx":5041,"utterance_id":5042,"speaker_name":175,"text":5043,"start_s":5044,"end_s":5045,"word_count":221,"indexable":180},764,"126666","Governor, we're moving into the final round of questions here.",4589.56,4592.22,{"idx":5047,"utterance_id":5048,"speaker_name":175,"text":5049,"start_s":5050,"end_s":5051,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},765,"126667","We observe a phenomenon, especially among younger people, increasingly, of a division, of course, between men and women.",4593.24,4600.46,{"idx":5053,"utterance_id":5054,"speaker_name":175,"text":5055,"start_s":5056,"end_s":5057,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},766,"126668","So men with more of a tendency toward the right, women increasingly voting for the left.",4600.68,4605.82,{"idx":5059,"utterance_id":5060,"speaker_name":175,"text":5061,"start_s":5062,"end_s":5063,"word_count":196,"indexable":180},767,"126669","Of course, generalizing here.",4605.9,4607.58,{"idx":5065,"utterance_id":5066,"speaker_name":175,"text":5067,"start_s":5068,"end_s":5069,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},768,"126670","How do you see this war between the sexes that is presenting itself?",4608.38,4611.26,{"idx":5071,"utterance_id":5072,"speaker_name":175,"text":5073,"start_s":5074,"end_s":5075,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},769,"126671","There was that misogyny bill in Congress as well.",4611.88,4615.3,{"idx":5077,"utterance_id":5078,"speaker_name":175,"text":5079,"start_s":5080,"end_s":5081,"word_count":223,"indexable":180},770,"126672","How would you vote on that?",4615.4,4616.64,{"idx":5083,"utterance_id":5084,"speaker_name":175,"text":5085,"start_s":5086,"end_s":5087,"word_count":201,"indexable":180},771,"126673","Because, on the one hand, someone who votes against it can also be seen as being against women.",4617.04,4621.3,{"idx":5089,"utterance_id":5090,"speaker_name":175,"text":5091,"start_s":5092,"end_s":5093,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},772,"126674","How are you approaching this moment in relation to this social phenomenon?",4621.74,4625.84,{"idx":5095,"utterance_id":5096,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5097,"start_s":5098,"end_s":5099,"word_count":203,"indexable":180},773,"126675","This issue really holds.",4628,4630.5,{"idx":5101,"utterance_id":5102,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5103,"start_s":5104,"end_s":5105,"word_count":210,"indexable":180},774,"126676","men are more in that stance.",4631.78,4635.72,{"idx":5107,"utterance_id":5108,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5109,"start_s":5110,"end_s":5111,"word_count":228,"indexable":180},775,"126677","When I go on my social network and follow comments, positions, that, Renato, it becomes very perceptible.",4636.04,4645.82,{"idx":5113,"utterance_id":5114,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5115,"start_s":5116,"end_s":5117,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},776,"126678","But I, who am already 61 years old, and being from the interior of Minas, have a conservative worldview.",4647.54,4657.04,{"idx":5119,"utterance_id":5120,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5121,"start_s":5122,"end_s":5123,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5124,"topic_label":5125,"target_id":5126,"target_proposition":5127,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":424,"rationale":5128,"indexable":324},777,"126679","For me, there are two bathrooms: men's and women's.",4657.82,4662.8,"direitos-lgbtq-e-identidade-de-genero","LGBTQ+ Rights and Gender Identity","365fbbee-6e66-458e-bdc3-9417b8db4a5b","maintain bathrooms segregated by sex at birth","Says that 'banheiro são dois' and defines use according to biological sex at birth.",{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5130,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5131,"start_s":5132,"end_s":5133,"word_count":21,"indexable":180},"126680","And in the men's bathroom goes whoever was born a man, and in the women's bathroom whoever was born a woman, not someone who underwent some change during their life.",4663.92,4676.86,{"idx":5135,"utterance_id":5136,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5137,"start_s":5138,"end_s":5139,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},779,"126681","So, my view on this topic is very simple.",4676.96,4680.22,{"idx":5141,"utterance_id":5142,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5143,"start_s":5144,"end_s":5145,"word_count":412,"indexable":180},780,"126682","What has worked throughout human history — that developed the world and improved the lives of billions of people — just because some suddenly think it disregards others, it all has to be changed.",4681.12,4699.76,{"idx":5147,"utterance_id":5148,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5149,"start_s":5150,"end_s":5151,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},781,"126683","I have nothing against anyone's sexual orientation.",4700.38,4703.84,{"idx":5153,"utterance_id":5154,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5155,"start_s":5156,"end_s":5157,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":5124,"topic_label":5125,"target_id":5158,"target_proposition":5159,"stance":339,"stance_confidence":681,"rationale":5160,"indexable":324},782,"126684","If someone wants to change sex, it's an individual matter; I just think there should be a minimum age — I think 21 years, at least.",4704.66,4713.8,"d7a81661-b0e1-4c06-b661-a860d299daa4","establish a minimum age of 21 for legal gender change","Explicitly advocates that 'deveria ter uma idade mínima, acho que 21 anos, no mínimo'.",{"idx":5162,"utterance_id":5163,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5164,"start_s":5165,"end_s":5166,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},783,"126685","Because many people even regret getting a tattoo.",4714.28,4717.16,{"idx":5168,"utterance_id":5169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5170,"start_s":5171,"end_s":5172,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},784,"126686","Later, have you thought about changing sex?",4717.24,4720.18,{"idx":5174,"utterance_id":5175,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5176,"start_s":5177,"end_s":5178,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},785,"126687","So I see these as private matters, and individual decisions should be respected.",4721.22,4728.38,{"idx":5180,"utterance_id":5181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5182,"start_s":5183,"end_s":5184,"word_count":302,"indexable":180},786,"126688","I'm someone who respects everyone's opinion, as long as they don't want to affect others' lives.",4728.76,4734.68,{"idx":5186,"utterance_id":5187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5188,"start_s":5189,"end_s":5190,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":5191,"topic_label":5192,"target_id":5193,"target_proposition":5194,"stance":2777,"stance_confidence":1675,"rationale":5195,"indexable":180},787,"126689","If he wants to do something... I'm not in favor of drugs, no, but this question of him having such a sexual orientation, fine.",4735.34,4744.64,"politicas-de-drogas","Drug Policy","b293ad7e-2bcb-4f0e-86c2-67e77e5eb9a4","decriminalize drugs","States 'não sou favorável à droga', thus opposing decriminalization.",{"idx":5197,"utterance_id":5198,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5199,"start_s":5200,"end_s":5201,"word_count":179,"indexable":180},788,"126690","And regarding what was voted in Congress... I will stick to my position.",4745.98,4751.92,{"idx":5203,"utterance_id":5204,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5205,"start_s":5206,"end_s":5207,"word_count":256,"indexable":180},789,"126691","I think it's a topic that must be analyzed in depth.",4752.28,4757.68,{"idx":5209,"utterance_id":5210,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5211,"start_s":5212,"end_s":5213,"word_count":244,"indexable":180},790,"126692","There were things there that were added, changed, removed at the last minute.",4758.66,4763.78,{"idx":5215,"utterance_id":5216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5217,"start_s":5218,"end_s":5219,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},791,"126693","I don't remember the details well.",4764.18,4766.54,{"idx":5221,"utterance_id":5222,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5223,"start_s":5224,"end_s":5225,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},792,"126694","I know that people in my party said that, it turned into a patchwork 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