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FMU.",335.44,349.34,{"idx":386,"utterance_id":387,"speaker_name":69,"text":388,"start_s":389,"end_s":390,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},54,"213856","The journalist Rodolfo Lamberini, from TV Record, who also presented the program, should have attended as well, but was unable to appear at the last minute due to the premiere of a program on Record.",349.78,361.5,{"idx":138,"utterance_id":392,"speaker_name":69,"text":393,"start_s":394,"end_s":395,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},"213857","Roda Viva is broadcast on the national TV network to all of Brazil, and today viewers' participation will be via questions sent by email, since the program is being recorded.",361.6,371.82,{"idx":397,"utterance_id":398,"speaker_name":69,"text":399,"start_s":400,"end_s":401,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},56,"213858","Good evening, President.",372.26,373.12,{"idx":403,"utterance_id":404,"speaker_name":69,"text":70,"start_s":405,"end_s":406,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},57,"213859",373.14,373.56,{"idx":408,"utterance_id":409,"speaker_name":69,"text":410,"start_s":411,"end_s":412,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},58,"213860","Thank you for being here, sir.",373.86,375.38,{"idx":414,"utterance_id":415,"speaker_name":69,"text":416,"start_s":417,"end_s":418,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},59,"213861","Marcon, I'm the one who should thank you because it's an honor to take part in Roda Viva as it celebrates its thousandth program.",376.7,387.04,{"idx":420,"utterance_id":421,"speaker_name":69,"text":422,"start_s":423,"end_s":424,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},60,"213862","And in the year that marks 30 years since Vlado's death, who was director of TV Cultura when they conducted the first interview with me.",387.94,394.84,{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":69,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},61,"213863","You couldn't tell, but my legs were shaking.",395.54,399.04,{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":69,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},62,"213864","Because when they turned on the light and put the microphone in front of me, I almost fainted right there.",399.82,404.38,{"idx":438,"utterance_id":439,"speaker_name":69,"text":440,"start_s":441,"end_s":442,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},63,"213865","But in any case, it's a pleasure to be able to participate with you on Roda Viva at this historic moment for the program.",405.14,410.78,{"idx":444,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":69,"text":446,"start_s":447,"end_s":448,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},64,"213866","Mr. President, I'll get straight to the point.",411.26,413.32,{"idx":450,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":69,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},65,"213867","Since this political crisis arose, you have given some statements on national broadcast, in interviews, and at the openings of government events.",414.6,424.26,{"idx":456,"utterance_id":457,"speaker_name":69,"text":458,"start_s":459,"end_s":460,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},66,"213868","But I believe we're missing, to begin with, the following question.",425.42,429.08,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":69,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},67,"213869","You have, generally, presented yourself as someone who had no knowledge of the facts reported by former deputy Roberto Jefferson and of the main allegations that emerged during this period.",429.6,442.4,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":69,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},68,"213870","On the other hand, you have also said on some occasions that much of this is what you recently described in Nardel Plata as empty denunciation.",442.46,452.38,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":69,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},69,"213871","The question is: do you have no responsibility? Is it possible for Brazilian society to accept that the President of the Republic has no responsibility for these events that scandalize the nation?",452.66,464.26,{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":69,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},70,"213872","First, the President of the Republic has full responsibility.",464.28,466.78,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":69,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},71,"213873","That is, for better or worse, the President of the Republic cannot say he has no responsibility.",467.64,472.78,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":69,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},72,"213874","Knowing or not knowing, the President of the Republic must take responsibility and must order an investigation.",473.16,478.26,{"idx":498,"utterance_id":499,"speaker_name":69,"text":500,"start_s":501,"end_s":502,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},73,"213875","That is the role of the President of the Republic.",478.92,480.52,{"idx":504,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":69,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},74,"213876","One thing I find extremely serious is that no one has written on their forehead, 'I am going to commit an illegal act, I am going to engage in corruption.'",481.04,490.28,{"idx":510,"utterance_id":511,"speaker_name":69,"text":512,"start_s":513,"end_s":514,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},75,"213877","Because when deputy Roberto Jeff made the accusation, he was stripped of his mandate precisely because he failed to prove the accusation he made.",490.74,498.12,{"idx":516,"utterance_id":517,"speaker_name":69,"text":518,"start_s":519,"end_s":520,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},76,"213878","As regards, for example, the messalões.",498.56,501.24,{"idx":522,"utterance_id":523,"speaker_name":69,"text":524,"start_s":525,"end_s":526,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},77,"213879","What he proved is that the PT had a campaign financing practice totally against the party's own history, and that is being investigated by the CPI.",502.08,512.76,{"idx":528,"utterance_id":529,"speaker_name":69,"text":530,"start_s":531,"end_s":532,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},78,"213880","Augusto.",513.76,514.12,{"idx":534,"utterance_id":535,"speaker_name":69,"text":536,"start_s":537,"end_s":538,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},79,"213881","Mr. President, a question that Brazil has had for at least six months is the following.",515.2,519.4,{"idx":540,"utterance_id":541,"speaker_name":69,"text":542,"start_s":543,"end_s":544,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},80,"213882","Was the account given by Deputy Roberto Jefferson about the meeting he had with you in January of this year true?",519.44,526.94,{"idx":546,"utterance_id":547,"speaker_name":69,"text":548,"start_s":549,"end_s":550,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},81,"213883","It had been witnessed by the ministers, then-ministers José Dirceu, Aldo Rebelo, and the current minister, Valfrido dos Mares Guia.",527.04,536.34,{"idx":552,"utterance_id":553,"speaker_name":69,"text":554,"start_s":555,"end_s":556,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},82,"213884","He says specifically that he told you what was happening regarding the irregularities in Congress.",536.66,543.66,{"idx":558,"utterance_id":559,"speaker_name":69,"text":560,"start_s":561,"end_s":562,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},83,"213885","that you would have been very moved, that you would even have cried, and that you hugged him, thanking him for the information he had provided.",544.84,553.28,{"idx":564,"utterance_id":565,"speaker_name":69,"text":566,"start_s":567,"end_s":568,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},84,"213886","Did that happen?",553.3,554.06,{"idx":570,"utterance_id":571,"speaker_name":69,"text":572,"start_s":573,"end_s":574,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},85,"213887","Was it the first time you had heard of it?",554.86,558.82,{"idx":576,"utterance_id":577,"speaker_name":69,"text":578,"start_s":579,"end_s":580,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},86,"213888","Did it happen without Zé Dirceu being present?",558.84,561.02,{"idx":582,"utterance_id":583,"speaker_name":69,"text":584,"start_s":585,"end_s":586,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},87,"213889","It happened in the presence of Valfrido Maris Guias; it happened in the presence of the PTB leader and of the current government leader, Arindo Chinaglia.",561.8,571.06,{"idx":588,"utterance_id":589,"speaker_name":69,"text":590,"start_s":591,"end_s":592,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},88,"213890","Now, insofar as there is this insinuation, or this statement by a deputy, what did I do?",571.66,577.38,{"idx":594,"utterance_id":595,"speaker_name":69,"text":596,"start_s":597,"end_s":598,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},89,"213891","We had Aldo Rebelo as the government's leader in Congress, we had Alindo Chinagra as the PT's leader, and I asked both of them to explain the truth.",577.84,590.86,{"idx":600,"utterance_id":601,"speaker_name":69,"text":602,"start_s":603,"end_s":604,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},90,"213892","They categorically said that this was a work of fiction and that there was no mensalão within the National Congress.",591.16,597.7,{"idx":606,"utterance_id":607,"speaker_name":69,"text":608,"start_s":609,"end_s":610,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},91,"213893","And from what is known so far, so far it has not been proven that there is a mensalão; there are 513 deputies; so far those who were stripped of their mandates were so because they told an untruth about the National Congress.",598.32,612.38,{"idx":612,"utterance_id":613,"speaker_name":69,"text":614,"start_s":615,"end_s":616,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},92,"213894","Now, did you actually cry at that meeting?",612.52,615.68,{"idx":618,"utterance_id":619,"speaker_name":69,"text":620,"start_s":621,"end_s":622,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},93,"213895","No, I didn't cry; this is even the subject of a conversation I had with Valfrida, because Valfrida told me, 'President, you cry very restrainedly, because I couldn't tell you were crying.'",615.72,626.46,{"idx":624,"utterance_id":625,"speaker_name":69,"text":626,"start_s":627,"end_s":628,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},94,"213896","Well, I didn't cry, but I was outraged because this story of a mensalão in the National Congress was very strong in Brazil at the time of the re-election.",627.34,638.14,{"idx":630,"utterance_id":631,"speaker_name":69,"text":632,"start_s":633,"end_s":634,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},95,"213897","You remember 1986, 1996, and that it didn't go forward either, and that it wasn't proven.",639.14,644.76,{"idx":636,"utterance_id":637,"speaker_name":69,"text":638,"start_s":639,"end_s":640,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},96,"213898","There was an accusation concerning two deputies, I think from the PFL, which expelled both of them.",645.68,650.28,{"idx":642,"utterance_id":643,"speaker_name":69,"text":644,"start_s":645,"end_s":646,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},97,"213899","One of them, João Maia, who was a founder of the PT in 1980, was a partner of Chico Mendes, was a lawyer or advisor to CONTAG, but it also was not proven.",650.66,660.72,{"idx":648,"utterance_id":649,"speaker_name":69,"text":650,"start_s":651,"end_s":652,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},98,"213900","So, it's not acceptable.",661.6,662.28,{"idx":654,"utterance_id":655,"speaker_name":69,"text":656,"start_s":657,"end_s":658,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},99,"213901","for the President of the Republic to engage in politics based on he-said-she-said.",663.14,667.42,{"idx":660,"utterance_id":661,"speaker_name":69,"text":662,"start_s":663,"end_s":664,"word_count":450,"indexable":74},100,"213902","In other words, what is important to me and what makes me hold my head very, very high is the following: we have three CPIs operating, there is no interference from the government to create any problem for the CPIs. I think the Brazilian people should take advantage of the fact that I am in the Presidency of the Republic and if anyone has an allegation they must make it because it will be investigated.",667.44,688.62,{"idx":666,"utterance_id":667,"speaker_name":69,"text":668,"start_s":669,"end_s":670,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},101,"213903","And I think there is a dream I have, which you certainly have too, that there will be a day when we will manage to clean up Brazil.",689.22,696.84,{"idx":672,"utterance_id":673,"speaker_name":69,"text":674,"start_s":675,"end_s":676,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},102,"213904","Perhaps through clean operations, as was done in Italy, which certainly did not end corruption, but which solved many of the problems Italy had at that moment.",697.36,707.2,{"idx":678,"utterance_id":679,"speaker_name":69,"text":680,"start_s":681,"end_s":682,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},103,"213905","Mr. President, you just said that the President of the Republic is responsible, at least in theory, and when he knows of something, he orders an investigation.",707.48,714.56,{"idx":684,"utterance_id":685,"speaker_name":69,"text":686,"start_s":687,"end_s":688,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},104,"213906","This Monday, the PFL, at the request of Deputy Ronaldo Coelho, is requesting the opening of an impeachment against you.",715.22,720.7,{"idx":690,"utterance_id":691,"speaker_name":69,"text":692,"start_s":693,"end_s":694,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},105,"213907","Perhaps even accusing you of being responsible.",721.28,723.52,{"idx":696,"utterance_id":697,"speaker_name":69,"text":698,"start_s":699,"end_s":700,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},106,"213908","I would like to know how you will defend yourself if the PFL's request to open impeachment proceedings against you actually materializes.",724.08,731.24,{"idx":702,"utterance_id":703,"speaker_name":69,"text":704,"start_s":705,"end_s":706,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},107,"213909","Look, first, I don't know if the PFL has the political authority to request the impeachment of a President of the Republic or has the grounds to request the impeachment of the President of the Republic.",732,741.68,{"idx":708,"utterance_id":709,"speaker_name":69,"text":710,"start_s":711,"end_s":712,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},108,"213910","You all can attest that the declaration of the president of the PFL was a statement that left, at least, democratic Brazilian society stunned.",742.52,752,{"idx":714,"utterance_id":715,"speaker_name":69,"text":716,"start_s":717,"end_s":718,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},109,"213911","Why?",752.1,752.44,{"idx":720,"utterance_id":721,"speaker_name":69,"text":722,"start_s":723,"end_s":724,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},110,"213912","Stunned.",752.88,753.32,{"idx":726,"utterance_id":727,"speaker_name":69,"text":728,"start_s":729,"end_s":730,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},111,"213913","Because he said it was necessary to finish off that 'breed' of PT, you know, for at least 30 years.",753.74,759.7,{"idx":732,"utterance_id":733,"speaker_name":69,"text":734,"start_s":735,"end_s":736,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},112,"213914","Secondly, we have also seen comments in the press; we have read newspaper articles.",760.22,765.26,{"idx":738,"utterance_id":739,"speaker_name":69,"text":740,"start_s":741,"end_s":742,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},113,"213915","People from opposition parties saying that it is necessary at all costs to prevent President Lula from running for re-election.",766.38,773.66,{"idx":744,"utterance_id":745,"speaker_name":69,"text":746,"start_s":747,"end_s":748,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},114,"213916","See the irony of fate.",774.22,775.48,{"idx":750,"utterance_id":751,"speaker_name":69,"text":752,"start_s":753,"end_s":754,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},115,"213917","We didn't have re-election in Brazil.",776.52,777.96,{"idx":756,"utterance_id":757,"speaker_name":69,"text":758,"start_s":759,"end_s":760,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},116,"213918","We had a five-year mandate without re-election.",778.7,780.72,{"idx":762,"utterance_id":763,"speaker_name":69,"text":764,"start_s":765,"end_s":766,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},117,"213919","In '94, because I was ahead in the public opinion polls, what did they do?",781.52,786.1,{"idx":768,"utterance_id":769,"speaker_name":69,"text":770,"start_s":771,"end_s":772,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},118,"213920","They shortened the term.",786.76,787.68,{"idx":774,"utterance_id":775,"speaker_name":69,"text":776,"start_s":777,"end_s":778,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},119,"213921","What happened?",788.26,788.98,{"idx":780,"utterance_id":781,"speaker_name":69,"text":782,"start_s":783,"end_s":784,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},120,"213922","Fernando Henrique Cardoso won the elections.",789.42,791.2,{"idx":786,"utterance_id":787,"speaker_name":69,"text":788,"start_s":789,"end_s":790,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},121,"213923","What happened after that?",791.72,792.66,{"idx":792,"utterance_id":793,"speaker_name":69,"text":794,"start_s":795,"end_s":796,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},122,"213924","In '96, the re-election thesis.",793.22,795.26,{"idx":798,"utterance_id":799,"speaker_name":69,"text":800,"start_s":801,"end_s":802,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},123,"213925","Now that I am President and have not yet decided whether I will be a candidate, therefore no one has to worry whether I will be a candidate or not, because I haven't decided.",795.88,804.1,{"idx":804,"utterance_id":805,"speaker_name":69,"text":806,"start_s":807,"end_s":808,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},124,"213926","I always see, through the press, through television and radio, people insinuating that it would be good if I did not run again.",805,814.26,{"idx":810,"utterance_id":811,"speaker_name":69,"text":812,"start_s":813,"end_s":814,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},125,"213927","I don't know why they are so concerned about the Institution of Re-election, which they were the ones who created.",815.1,820.5,{"idx":816,"utterance_id":817,"speaker_name":69,"text":818,"start_s":819,"end_s":820,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},126,"213928","I, moreover, was against it because I voted in the Constituent Assembly so that we would not have re-election in Brazil.",821.08,825.44,{"idx":822,"utterance_id":823,"speaker_name":69,"text":824,"start_s":825,"end_s":826,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},127,"213929","I defend the thesis that we should have a five-year term without re-election in Brazil.",825.92,830.9,{"idx":828,"utterance_id":829,"speaker_name":69,"text":830,"start_s":831,"end_s":832,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},128,"213930","It would be better for the country.",831.2,832.3,{"idx":834,"utterance_id":835,"speaker_name":69,"text":836,"start_s":837,"end_s":838,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},129,"213931","I believe that alternation in power is good for the country.",832.86,835.38,{"idx":840,"utterance_id":841,"speaker_name":69,"text":842,"start_s":843,"end_s":844,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},130,"213932","And now, if they file a request for impeachment, it will be analyzed by the President of the Chamber of Deputies.",836.32,841.14,{"idx":846,"utterance_id":847,"speaker_name":69,"text":848,"start_s":849,"end_s":850,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},131,"213933","I find it hilarious that the PFL would try to request the President's impeachment.",841.78,848.02,{"idx":852,"utterance_id":853,"speaker_name":69,"text":854,"start_s":855,"end_s":856,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},132,"213934","I really find it hilarious.",848.88,850.52,{"idx":858,"utterance_id":859,"speaker_name":69,"text":860,"start_s":861,"end_s":862,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},133,"213935","I cannot take an impeachment request seriously.",850.6,854,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":864,"speaker_name":69,"text":865,"start_s":866,"end_s":867,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},"213936","On what basis? What is the proof? What is the offense? Possibly because of the good things we are doing.",854.04,860.54,{"idx":869,"utterance_id":870,"speaker_name":69,"text":871,"start_s":872,"end_s":873,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},135,"213937","Mr. President, you made a statement in the action and said that you were betrayed.",861.22,865.18,{"idx":875,"utterance_id":876,"speaker_name":69,"text":877,"start_s":878,"end_s":879,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},136,"213938","I would like to know by whom you were betrayed.",865.4,867.34,{"idx":881,"utterance_id":882,"speaker_name":69,"text":883,"start_s":884,"end_s":885,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},137,"213939","Have you been avoiding closer contact with the press?",867.6,870.46,{"idx":887,"utterance_id":888,"speaker_name":69,"text":889,"start_s":890,"end_s":891,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},138,"213940","I wanted to know if you have something to hide, you called us inelegant and everything else, and I wanted you to give a brief analysis: how do you think the press is behaving in 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know it would generate commentary in the other newspapers.",902.26,907.72,{"idx":916,"utterance_id":917,"speaker_name":69,"text":918,"start_s":919,"end_s":920,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},143,"213945","Roseli, something very sincere.",909.9,912.96,{"idx":922,"utterance_id":923,"speaker_name":69,"text":924,"start_s":925,"end_s":926,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},144,"213946","I said in a testimony of mine that I felt betrayed.",913.06,916.5,{"idx":928,"utterance_id":929,"speaker_name":69,"text":930,"start_s":931,"end_s":932,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},145,"213947","And why did I feel betrayed?",917.12,918.44,{"idx":934,"utterance_id":935,"speaker_name":69,"text":936,"start_s":937,"end_s":938,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},146,"213948","Because I know what I went through to create this party.",919.28,923.3,{"idx":940,"utterance_id":941,"speaker_name":69,"text":942,"start_s":943,"end_s":944,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},147,"213949","I know how much I traveled around this 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announce from my platform to buy T-shirts in order to finance my campaign.",941.92,946.44,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":69,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},153,"213955","There were days when I didn't travel because there was no gasoline, and we survived.",946.92,949.92,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":69,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},154,"213956","Why was I betrayed?",950.32,951.24,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":69,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":344,"indexable":74},155,"213957","Because some comrades, some comrades... and I don't want to prejudge or name names, because I expect the CPI to complete its work and then the Federal Public Ministry to investigate, and then the courts to judge, had conduct that was not consistent with the PT's 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PT and condemned by Brazilian society.",995.7,1004.62,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":69,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},160,"213962","Why have you been avoiding the press, President?",1006.16,1010.28,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":69,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},161,"213963","I haven't been avoiding the press.",1010.3,1011.18,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":69,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},162,"213964","From time to time some so-called truths are created",1011.2,1014.64,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":69,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},163,"213965","that are not so true.",1015.3,1016.54,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":69,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},164,"213966","Look, I don't know if in the history of Brazil there has been a president of the Republic who gives as many daily addresses as I do.",1016.64,1024.24,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":69,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},165,"213967","I tend to get tired of myself.",1024.94,1026.6,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":69,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},166,"213968","Sometimes I have to make eight speeches.",1027.22,1029.3,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":69,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},167,"213969","Sometimes I have to make six.",1029.62,1030.7,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":69,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},168,"213970","See, it's a speech by the president of the Republic that, for better or worse, should be news, at least for some interested newspapers, for a radio station or for a television station.",1031.16,1043.24,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":69,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},169,"213971","Ministers give interviews all the time.",1045.1,1047.66,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":69,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},170,"213972","I don't think it's prudent for a president of the Republic to give interviews every week or every month.",1048.22,1053.08,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":69,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},171,"213973","Who knows, who knows, if what you're saying is an original sin of a president who doesn't give interviews, I can give interviews.",1053.36,1064.04,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":69,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},172,"213974","Besides, you know something?",1064.4,1065.84,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":69,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},173,"213975","I like it.",1066.26,1066.74,{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":69,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},174,"213976","I like giving interviews.",1067.6,1068.72,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":69,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},175,"213977","I like challenges.",1069.2,1070.4,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":69,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},176,"213978","I like... certain provocations in debate.",1071.02,1075.8,{"idx":1119,"utterance_id":1120,"speaker_name":69,"text":1121,"start_s":1122,"end_s":1123,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},177,"213979","So there's no problem.",1076.54,1077.52,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":69,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},"213980","It's just a way of working that I think is more correct.",1077.62,1081.26,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":69,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},179,"213981","But I'll consider it; if not, who knows, I might tire you out with interviews.",1081.82,1086.16,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":69,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},180,"213982","President, among the possible traitors, would you include former minister José Gisseu?",1087.64,1092.78,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":69,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},181,"213983","Look, I said a little while ago that I wouldn't name names, because I await the final result of the investigation.",1092.8,1099,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":69,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},182,"213984","What is the norm?",1099.66,1100.3,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":69,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},183,"213985","The CPI will investigate.",1100.32,1101.22,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":69,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},184,"213986","It will present its report, the Federal Public Ministry will investigate and will forward it, and the courts will judge.",1101.74,1108.48,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":69,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},185,"213987","I'll repeat: all those who committed wrongful practices — condemned by the PT and condemned by Brazilian society — I believe betrayed a principle that the PT had put into practice in this country.",1108.88,1123.96,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":69,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},186,"213988","And for that they will pay.",1124.86,1125.98,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":69,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},187,"213989","I always say the following: when you make a mistake, there are no friends or enemies; that is, people must be judged under equal conditions and must be punished.",1126.36,1134.26,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":69,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":356,"indexable":74},188,"213990","And I think the PT has a new leadership, I think the PT will adopt new procedures, will have new behavior, and I think the PT will recover that image it managed to build over 20 years with Brazilian society.",1134.74,1149.9,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":69,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},189,"213991","That's why... From time to time I find myself analyzing the nervousness, the irritation of our opposition.",1150.38,1156.36,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1196,"speaker_name":69,"text":1197,"start_s":1198,"end_s":1199,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"213992","I was in opposition to many governments.",1156.82,1159.16,{"idx":1201,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":69,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},191,"213993","I think—look at my face in the debates—I have never been so irritable, never so nervous as I see my opposition; they are people who should be more careful in what they say, more cautious, investigate better before making accusations against anyone.",1160.36,1177.04,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":69,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},192,"213994","I've learned in my life.",1177.4,1178.5,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":69,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},193,"213995","And I think you, more than anyone, know this.",1179.08,1181.84,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":69,"text":1209,"start_s":1221,"end_s":1222,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},194,"213996",1181.92,1182.84,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":1225,"speaker_name":69,"text":1226,"start_s":1227,"end_s":1228,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},195,"213997","And after making many accusations, you can only accuse someone if you have evidence or very strong indications of evidence.",1183.36,1193.56,{"idx":1230,"utterance_id":1231,"speaker_name":69,"text":1232,"start_s":1233,"end_s":1234,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},196,"213998","I once saw a deputy be condemned and later it was proven that he had done nothing, that he went to Seneguerra.",1194.46,1200.12,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1236,"speaker_name":69,"text":1237,"start_s":1238,"end_s":1239,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},"213999","I saw what was done to the Escola de Base there in São Paulo, in which the school and the family of the school's owner were vilified, and then it is proven that they are innocent and they never recover.",1200.76,1210.54,{"idx":1241,"utterance_id":1242,"speaker_name":69,"text":1243,"start_s":1244,"end_s":1245,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},198,"214000","So I think what we need to clearly rely on is that we have solid institutions.",1211,1215.9,{"idx":1247,"utterance_id":1248,"speaker_name":69,"text":1249,"start_s":1250,"end_s":1251,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},199,"214001","You remember that this country thought it couldn't impeach a president because the house would fall and everyone was somewhat worried about the military regime.",1216.24,1223.84,{"idx":1253,"utterance_id":1254,"speaker_name":69,"text":1255,"start_s":1256,"end_s":1257,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},200,"214002","We impeached Mudo Collor and Brazil continued on calmly.",1224.26,1227.66,{"idx":1259,"utterance_id":1260,"speaker_name":69,"text":1261,"start_s":1262,"end_s":1263,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},201,"214003","Everyone thought, and many presidents avoided CPIs, that Brazil couldn't stand being governed by CPIs.",1228.1,1234.22,{"idx":1265,"utterance_id":1266,"speaker_name":69,"text":1267,"start_s":1268,"end_s":1269,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},202,"214004","We have three.",1234.48,1235.42,{"idx":1271,"utterance_id":1272,"speaker_name":69,"text":1273,"start_s":1274,"end_s":1275,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},203,"214005","If they want to create four, let them create four.",1235.96,1237.3,{"idx":1277,"utterance_id":1278,"speaker_name":69,"text":1279,"start_s":1280,"end_s":1281,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},204,"214006","If they want to create five, let them create five.",1237.36,1238.8,{"idx":1283,"utterance_id":1284,"speaker_name":69,"text":1285,"start_s":1286,"end_s":1287,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},205,"214007","I only want them to create all the CPIs they want, but never lose sight of the fact that the National Congress has to vote on things that can change the history of this country.",1239.18,1251.86,{"idx":1289,"utterance_id":1290,"speaker_name":69,"text":1291,"start_s":1292,"end_s":1293,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},206,"214008","And we will contribute to the investigations because... One of the dreams I have in life is that my grandchildren can live in a country where there is no corruption.",1252.88,1263.06,{"idx":1295,"utterance_id":1296,"speaker_name":69,"text":1297,"start_s":1298,"end_s":1299,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},207,"214009","You mentioned history, President.",1265.18,1267.12,{"idx":1301,"utterance_id":1302,"speaker_name":69,"text":1303,"start_s":1304,"end_s":1305,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},208,"214010","We always believed that history had a direction.",1268.02,1271.8,{"idx":1307,"utterance_id":1308,"speaker_name":69,"text":1309,"start_s":1310,"end_s":1311,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},209,"214011","We thought, in my case, that it was moving in the direction of socialism.",1272.58,1276.68,{"idx":1313,"utterance_id":1314,"speaker_name":69,"text":1315,"start_s":1316,"end_s":1317,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},210,"214012","Then a series of changes took place and today this is a matter to be discussed.",1276.76,1282.38,{"idx":1319,"utterance_id":1320,"speaker_name":69,"text":1321,"start_s":1322,"end_s":1323,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},211,"214013","Do you still believe?",1282.42,1283.38,{"idx":1325,"utterance_id":1326,"speaker_name":69,"text":1327,"start_s":1328,"end_s":1329,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},212,"214014","in the direction of history?",1284.1,1285.22,{"idx":1331,"utterance_id":1332,"speaker_name":69,"text":1333,"start_s":1334,"end_s":1335,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},213,"214015","And if you do believe, in which direction do you think humanity is heading?",1285.42,1289.46,{"idx":248,"utterance_id":1337,"speaker_name":69,"text":1338,"start_s":1339,"end_s":1340,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},"214016","First, I believe in the direction of history.",1291.32,1293.1,{"idx":1342,"utterance_id":1343,"speaker_name":69,"text":1344,"start_s":1345,"end_s":1346,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},215,"214017","And I think that history is possibly the great lesson so that those who come after get things more right than those who have gone.",1294.12,1303.1,{"idx":1348,"utterance_id":1349,"speaker_name":69,"text":1350,"start_s":1351,"end_s":1352,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},216,"214018","When, for example, we had the fall of the Berlin Wall, what did history teach us?",1304.82,1310.26,{"idx":1354,"utterance_id":1355,"speaker_name":69,"text":1356,"start_s":1357,"end_s":1358,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},217,"214019","There is no regime better,",1311.7,1314.48,{"idx":1360,"utterance_id":1361,"speaker_name":69,"text":1362,"start_s":1363,"end_s":1364,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},218,"214020","no matter the problems they have, than democracy.",1316.06,1319.04,{"idx":1366,"utterance_id":1367,"speaker_name":69,"text":1368,"start_s":1369,"end_s":1370,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},219,"214021","There isn't.",1319.7,1320.24,{"idx":1372,"utterance_id":1373,"speaker_name":69,"text":1374,"start_s":1375,"end_s":1376,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},220,"214022","Democracy is not a halfway thing.",1320.9,1324.52,{"idx":1378,"utterance_id":1379,"speaker_name":69,"text":1380,"start_s":1381,"end_s":1382,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},221,"214023","It is something whole.",1325.18,1327.1,{"idx":1384,"utterance_id":1385,"speaker_name":69,"text":1386,"start_s":1387,"end_s":1388,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},222,"214024","Because doing politics in a country with a free press, doing politics in a country with free unions, doing politics in a country that has, you know, a free National Congress, that has free party organization,",1327.86,1342.72,{"idx":1390,"utterance_id":1391,"speaker_name":69,"text":1392,"start_s":1393,"end_s":1394,"word_count":374,"indexable":74},223,"214025","where students do whatever they deem fit, it may be difficult, but it is much healthier for the future of humanity than trying to claim to be the owner of the truth and doing only the politics that serve a party, a religion, a union faction or a person.",1343.28,1364.68,{"idx":1396,"utterance_id":1397,"speaker_name":69,"text":1398,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},224,"214026","That's why I think history teaches us a lot; we made many mistakes",1365.34,1369.68,{"idx":1402,"utterance_id":1403,"speaker_name":69,"text":1404,"start_s":1405,"end_s":1406,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},225,"214027","in the past and, therefore, we now have the chance to correct them.",1370.34,1373.18,{"idx":1408,"utterance_id":1409,"speaker_name":69,"text":1410,"start_s":1411,"end_s":1412,"word_count":320,"indexable":74},226,"214028","I remember a sentence I said that wasn't well received by some comrades at the time of the Partidão, when I said, 'thank God the Berlin Wall fell,' because now the left will have the right, you know, to think again.",1373.5,1388.22,{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":69,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},227,"214029","It will have the right to create new things, it will have the right to think about the future.",1388.66,1392.66,{"idx":1420,"utterance_id":1421,"speaker_name":69,"text":1422,"start_s":1423,"end_s":1424,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},228,"214030","Not everything is written.",1392.9,1393.9,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1426,"speaker_name":69,"text":1427,"start_s":1428,"end_s":1429,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},"214031","We will be able to rewrite history.",1394.9,1397.08,{"idx":1431,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":69,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},230,"214032","And I think that is what is happening today.",1397.56,1399.56,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":69,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},231,"214033","Well, President, we put on the internet, on TV Cultura's page, a space for people to ask questions.",1400.5,1408.14,{"idx":264,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":69,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},"214034","And we received 1,500 emails up to last night, the largest portion of them, 25%, dealt with questions related to the issue of corruption.",1408.74,1417.8,{"idx":1448,"utterance_id":1449,"speaker_name":69,"text":1450,"start_s":1451,"end_s":1452,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},233,"214035","So, I selected here a question from Adriano Montinho, from Bahia, he is 34 years old, which says the following.",1418.4,1425,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":69,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},234,"214036","Your Excellency said last Saturday that the allegation about Banco do Brasil... its participation in the so-called Valeiro Duto was absurd.",1425.54,1432.02,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":69,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},235,"214037","How do you explain that and at the same time how do you regard the accusations that were previously made by Roberto Gênesis?",1432.48,1439.02,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":69,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},236,"214038","Ana, first the issue of Banco do Brasil.",1439.74,1442,{"idx":1472,"utterance_id":1473,"speaker_name":69,"text":1474,"start_s":1475,"end_s":1476,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},237,"214039","I said in an interview I gave in Mar del Plata that there was a statement by the rapporteur.",1442.92,1449.78,{"idx":1478,"utterance_id":1479,"speaker_name":69,"text":1480,"start_s":1481,"end_s":1482,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},238,"214040","The rapporteur's understanding regarding an advertising allocation from Banco do Brasil",1450.66,1455.72,{"idx":1484,"utterance_id":1485,"speaker_name":69,"text":1486,"start_s":1487,"end_s":1488,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},239,"214041","of Banco do Brasil contradicting that note.",1458.68,1461.4,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":1491,"speaker_name":69,"text":1492,"start_s":1493,"end_s":1494,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},240,"214042","Look, from that point on, it is not for the President of the Republic to say that the rapporteur was in possession of absolute truth or that Banco do Brasil was in possession of absolute truth.",1461.7,1469.54,{"idx":1496,"utterance_id":1497,"speaker_name":69,"text":1498,"start_s":1499,"end_s":1500,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},241,"214043","From that point on, we have two versions.",1470.1,1471.86,{"idx":1502,"utterance_id":1503,"speaker_name":69,"text":1504,"start_s":1505,"end_s":1506,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},242,"214044","And who has to do the investigation, who is it?",1472.24,1474.2,{"idx":1508,"utterance_id":1509,"speaker_name":69,"text":1510,"start_s":1511,"end_s":1512,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},243,"214045","Exactly the CPI.",1474.62,1476.28,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":69,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"214046","But didn't you also say it was empty denunciation-mongering?",1476.3,1478.82,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":69,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},245,"214047","I think, I think that... May I jump in after I answer the second part of his question.",1479.12,1484.6,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":69,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},246,"214048","I think that... Roberto Jefferson was attacked precisely because he didn't prove the Mensalão.",1485.52,1494.48,{"idx":1531,"utterance_id":1532,"speaker_name":69,"text":1533,"start_s":1534,"end_s":1535,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},247,"214049","And I don't believe that this atrocity existed in national politics.",1494.98,1499.66,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":69,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},248,"214050","There may be other kinds of corruption, there may be other kinds of involvement, but it is already proven that the Mensalão will... I think the CPI will find that it doesn't exist.",1501.48,1510.54,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":69,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},249,"214051","They will go after deputies for other reasons.",1510.6,1512.3,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":69,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},250,"214052","I'm convinced of that.",1513.24,1514.46,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":69,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},251,"214053","They will not go after them because of the Mensalão.",1514.5,1517.4,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":69,"text":1563,"start_s":1564,"end_s":1565,"word_count":326,"indexable":74},252,"214054","And, therefore, I think that Roberto Jefferson rendered, and only after this EPI will we have that clear, a disservice to the Brazilian nation, because from then on we had... A policy of casting suspicion over everyone.",1518.44,1538.44,{"idx":1567,"utterance_id":1568,"speaker_name":69,"text":1569,"start_s":1570,"end_s":1571,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},253,"214055","Mr. President, wasn't he an ally of the government?",1538.46,1540.22,{"idx":1573,"utterance_id":1574,"speaker_name":69,"text":1575,"start_s":1576,"end_s":1577,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},254,"214056","Wasn't the PTB part of the government's allied base?",1541.1,1543.3,{"idx":1579,"utterance_id":1580,"speaker_name":69,"text":1581,"start_s":1582,"end_s":1583,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},255,"214057","Good heavens, but Fernandinho Miramar was his mother's son, therefore he was the son she wanted to have.",1543.32,1547.56,{"idx":1585,"utterance_id":1586,"speaker_name":69,"text":1587,"start_s":1588,"end_s":1589,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},256,"214058","She wanted to have another son.",1548.16,1549.18,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":69,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},257,"214059","You promised him a blank check.",1549.2,1552.06,{"idx":1597,"utterance_id":1598,"speaker_name":69,"text":1599,"start_s":1600,"end_s":1601,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},258,"214060","That's not true.",1552.08,1552.34,{"idx":1603,"utterance_id":1604,"speaker_name":69,"text":1605,"start_s":1606,"end_s":1607,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},259,"214061","No, you declared it.",1552.72,1553.54,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":69,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},260,"214062","I didn't declare, I didn't declare, I didn't declare, Augusto.",1553.84,1556.5,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":69,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},261,"214063","And you know that I'm not one to declare.",1557.04,1558.52,{"idx":1621,"utterance_id":1622,"speaker_name":69,"text":1623,"start_s":1624,"end_s":1625,"word_count":320,"indexable":74},262,"214064","What happens with the President of the Republic — I'm not the first to complain, everyone complains — is that people come to talk to the president and then each one out there interprets it in whatever way they think best for themselves.",1559.04,1570.86,{"idx":1627,"utterance_id":1628,"speaker_name":69,"text":1629,"start_s":1630,"end_s":1631,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},263,"214065","I didn't have a meeting with Roberto Jefferson, I had a meeting with the board of the Chamber of Deputies, all the deputies, all the deputies.",1571.38,1580.3,{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":69,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},264,"214066","At no point... A blank check was discussed.",1580.62,1584.62,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":69,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},265,"214067","I've been married to Mrs. Marisa for 31 years.",1585.02,1588.12,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":69,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},266,"214068","And the only blank check, in fact, the only check that uses my household is Mrs. Marisa's.",1588.44,1593.84,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":69,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},267,"214069","It wouldn't make any sense... Your word was spoken in a synchronous sense.",1595.24,1598.04,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":69,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},268,"214070","I didn't say it and I didn't say it.",1598.06,1598.9,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":69,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},269,"214071","After the dinner at his house.",1598.92,1599.76,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":69,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},270,"214072","It wasn't dinner, it was at a breakfast, with the Chamber's board.",1599.78,1602.94,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":69,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},271,"214073","Have you never dined with him?",1602.98,1603.84,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":69,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},272,"214074","With...",1604.44,1604.62,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":69,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},273,"214075","Roberto Jefferson.",1605.16,1605.76,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":69,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},274,"214076","I dined, I dined, I dined at his house.",1605.78,1609.46,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":69,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},275,"214077","No, no, no.",1609.54,1611.5,{"idx":1705,"utterance_id":1706,"speaker_name":69,"text":1707,"start_s":1708,"end_s":1709,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},276,"214078","This conversation came up here, in this hall downstairs, at a breakfast with the presidency of the Chamber and all the board members.",1611.88,1620.96,{"idx":1711,"utterance_id":1712,"speaker_name":69,"text":1713,"start_s":1714,"end_s":1715,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},277,"214079","For me to give a blank check is very difficult.",1621.16,1625.44,{"idx":1717,"utterance_id":1718,"speaker_name":69,"text":1719,"start_s":1720,"end_s":1721,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},278,"214080","Mr. President, if it's empty denunciation-mongering and if Deputy Roberto Jefferson is not right about anything he said, why did former minister José Dirceu end up falling?",1626.2,1634.8,{"idx":1723,"utterance_id":1724,"speaker_name":69,"text":1725,"start_s":1726,"end_s":1727,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},279,"214081","I'm not saying it's empty denunciation-mongering.",1635.06,1636.84,{"idx":330,"utterance_id":1729,"speaker_name":69,"text":1730,"start_s":1731,"end_s":1732,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},"214082","I'm saying that you have a mix of allegations that are truthful and when you investigate you reach the conclusion that they have indicia of evidence that provide a basis for a major investigation.",1637.32,1648.38,{"idx":1734,"utterance_id":1735,"speaker_name":69,"text":1736,"start_s":1737,"end_s":1738,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},281,"214083","But I'm saying that when you put everything in the same pot, you can... Look, for example, I have already suspended almost 50 public servants.",1649.2,1658.18,{"idx":1740,"utterance_id":1741,"speaker_name":69,"text":1742,"start_s":1743,"end_s":1744,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},282,"214084","Certainly among those there are innocent people.",1658.6,1661.38,{"idx":1746,"utterance_id":1747,"speaker_name":69,"text":1748,"start_s":1749,"end_s":1750,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},283,"214085","Certainly.",1662.06,1662.64,{"idx":1752,"utterance_id":1753,"speaker_name":69,"text":1754,"start_s":1755,"end_s":1756,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},284,"214086","But I was obliged to suspend them because they were involved... together with other people, in the same workplace.",1663.26,1669.88,{"idx":1758,"utterance_id":1759,"speaker_name":69,"text":1760,"start_s":1761,"end_s":1762,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},285,"214087","Certainly, we made mistakes.",1670.54,1672.38,{"idx":1764,"utterance_id":1765,"speaker_name":69,"text":1766,"start_s":1767,"end_s":1768,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},286,"214088","And I think that in politics it is very difficult to make a hasty judgment and judge people.",1672.98,1678.92,{"idx":1770,"utterance_id":1771,"speaker_name":69,"text":1772,"start_s":1773,"end_s":1774,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},287,"214089","I think there is an attempt to cast suspicion over everyone, without having the commitment to prove it.",1679.58,1687.28,{"idx":1776,"utterance_id":1777,"speaker_name":69,"text":1778,"start_s":1779,"end_s":1780,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},288,"214090","I think so.",1688.14,1688.5,{"idx":1782,"utterance_id":1783,"speaker_name":69,"text":1784,"start_s":1785,"end_s":1786,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},289,"214091","Therefore, I think the role of the CPI at this moment is to investigate.",1688.9,1692.4,{"idx":1788,"utterance_id":1789,"speaker_name":69,"text":1790,"start_s":1791,"end_s":1792,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},290,"214092","The CPI is established.",1692.74,1693.82,{"idx":1794,"utterance_id":1795,"speaker_name":69,"text":1796,"start_s":1797,"end_s":1798,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},291,"214093","There are three CPIs, they have to investigate.",1694.14,1696.48,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":69,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},"214094","After that it will fall into the hands of the Ministério Público, which will investigate.",1696.9,1699.84,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":69,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},293,"214095","If the Federal Police need to investigate, they will investigate.",1700.34,1703,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":69,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},294,"214096","After that it will fall into the hands of the STF, which will judge.",1703.38,1706.54,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":69,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},295,"214097","That's how it works.",1707.02,1708.3,{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":69,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},296,"214098","I only think that allegations should be made when there is proof.",1708.9,1712.22,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":69,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},297,"214099","If there is no proof, please, you know, ask the police to investigate before denouncing, because otherwise you can ruin a person's life, you know.",1712.76,1721.52,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":69,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},298,"214100","And then prove that they are innocent and never recover from that burden.",1721.56,1724.44,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":69,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},299,"214101","But he said... Just a minute, there was the matter of Zé Dirceu that you asked about.",1724.46,1727.88,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":69,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},300,"214102","Yes, yes, exactly.",1727.9,1728.58,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":69,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},301,"214103","Look, Zé Dirceu, first when the allegation about Valdemiro happened, which so far has not been proven either, it is in an investigation process, it is true that Zé Dirceu wanted to leave the government.",1728.6,1739.72,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":69,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":356,"indexable":74},302,"214104","I said, Zé, but if you are saying you have nothing to do with Valdemiro, and you're going to leave because they are attacking Valdemiro... In other words, you can't assemble a government, because every time someone is denounced you remove them, that is, you replace everyone every month.",1739.78,1753.48,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":69,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},"214105","But Zé Dirceu stayed.",1754.32,1755.22,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":69,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":397,"indexable":74},304,"214106","In the second phase, when they began to attack Zé Dirceu heavily, I had a meeting with Zé Dirceu and I told Zé Dirceu, Zé Dirceu, I think the time has come, you know, for you to consider that it might be better for you to return to the National Congress, because there lies the center of the debate on the crisis.",1755.92,1774.36,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":69,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},305,"214107","And you... You are a deputy who had more than 500,000 votes, you are a figure of national weight, therefore there I think you will be able to do much more than if you remain inside the government being the opposition's target.",1774.94,1791.16,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":69,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},306,"214108","And Zé Dirceu made the decision to run for the National Congress.",1791.6,1794.46,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":69,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},307,"214109","There he is only defending himself, Mr. President.",1794.64,1796.7,{"idx":1894,"utterance_id":1895,"speaker_name":69,"text":1896,"start_s":1897,"end_s":1898,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},308,"214110","Since he returned he hasn't made an attack.",1796.8,1799.06,{"idx":1900,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":69,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},309,"214111","He is on the defensive that should lead him to cassation.",1799.08,1802.3,{"idx":1906,"utterance_id":1907,"speaker_name":69,"text":1908,"start_s":1909,"end_s":1910,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},310,"214112","I don't know what the tactic or strategy is.",1802.38,1804.92,{"idx":1912,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":69,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},311,"214113","This is like the word 'strategy', strategy always confuses me.",1804.94,1807.66,{"idx":1918,"utterance_id":1919,"speaker_name":69,"text":1920,"start_s":1921,"end_s":1922,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},312,"214114","But, in any case, I think Zé Dirceu has political experience, because fortunate is the country that has a politician of Zé Dirceu's magnitude, he has courage.",1807.68,1818.4,{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":69,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},313,"214115","and intelligence to confront.",1818.92,1821.38,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":69,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},314,"214116","If he has established that the tactic at this moment is that...",1821.8,1824.4,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":69,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},315,"214117","Would you be a witness in his defense, sir?",1824.56,1827.78,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":69,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},316,"214118","I am, because now, what is the evidence against Zé Dirceu?",1827.8,1830.82,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":69,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},317,"214119","I ask you, Augusto Nunes, what is the accusation against Zé Dirceu?",1831.66,1836.78,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":69,"text":1956,"start_s":1957,"end_s":1958,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},318,"214120","That he commanded the scheme of transfers of funds...",1836.98,1841.42,{"idx":1960,"utterance_id":1961,"speaker_name":69,"text":1962,"start_s":1963,"end_s":1964,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},319,"214121","The mensalão scheme... No, no.",1841.44,1843.22,{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":69,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},320,"214122","Transfer of funds, evidently, occurred.",1843.76,1845.58,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":69,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},321,"214123","Accusation, there was none.",1845.66,1846.76,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":69,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},322,"214124","Transfer of funds, yes.",1847.4,1848.96,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":69,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},323,"214125","Look, what was the original thesis?",1849.18,1852.3,{"idx":1990,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":69,"text":1992,"start_s":1993,"end_s":1994,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},324,"214126","The original thesis was that you had public money, you know, in the PT's accounts.",1852.86,1858.24,{"idx":1996,"utterance_id":1997,"speaker_name":69,"text":1998,"start_s":1999,"end_s":2000,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},325,"214127","And that is what the CPI is approving.",1858.8,1860,{"idx":2002,"utterance_id":2003,"speaker_name":69,"text":2004,"start_s":2005,"end_s":2006,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},326,"214128","So far there is none.",1862.32,1863.14,{"idx":2008,"utterance_id":2009,"speaker_name":69,"text":2010,"start_s":2011,"end_s":2012,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},327,"214129","This story about Banco do Brasil may be the crux of the matter.",1865.74,1867.76,{"idx":2014,"utterance_id":2015,"speaker_name":69,"text":2016,"start_s":2017,"end_s":2018,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},328,"214130","It may be.",1867.78,1867.94,{"idx":2020,"utterance_id":2021,"speaker_name":69,"text":2022,"start_s":2023,"end_s":2024,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},329,"214131","Let's wait and see if it is. What I cannot do is take that as truth, do you know why?",1867.96,1872.26,{"idx":2026,"utterance_id":2027,"speaker_name":69,"text":2028,"start_s":2029,"end_s":2030,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},330,"214132","Because otherwise I would be committing an injustice.",1872.72,1874.74,{"idx":2032,"utterance_id":2033,"speaker_name":69,"text":2034,"start_s":2035,"end_s":2036,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},331,"214133","I just said, there is a rapporteur making some statements, there is Banco do Brasil making other statements, now it is based on the two pieces of information that the judgment will be made.",1875.32,1885.46,{"idx":2038,"utterance_id":2039,"speaker_name":69,"text":2040,"start_s":2041,"end_s":2042,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},332,"214134","Zé Dirceu was accused by Roberto Jefferson of setting up a gang, and above all a gang to pay mensalão.",1886.04,1893.98,{"idx":2044,"utterance_id":2045,"speaker_name":69,"text":2046,"start_s":2047,"end_s":2048,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},333,"214135","I am waiting for the National Congress... By its 513 deputies, by its president, or by whoever, to give Brazilian society the verdict sign.",1894.82,1906.12,{"idx":2050,"utterance_id":2051,"speaker_name":69,"text":2052,"start_s":2053,"end_s":2054,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},334,"214136","After all, was there a Mensalão or not?",1906.44,1908.98,{"idx":2056,"utterance_id":2057,"speaker_name":69,"text":2058,"start_s":2059,"end_s":2060,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},335,"214137","Your expectation is that there wasn't.",1909.04,1910.46,{"idx":2062,"utterance_id":2063,"speaker_name":69,"text":2064,"start_s":2065,"end_s":2066,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},336,"214138","I am sure there wasn't.",1911.6,1913.16,{"idx":2068,"utterance_id":2069,"speaker_name":69,"text":2070,"start_s":2071,"end_s":2072,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},337,"214139","Mr. President, but I... I'm sure for a very simple reason.",1913.22,1916.32,{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":69,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},338,"214140","I took the initiative in 2003 to put to a vote the two most important things we put to a vote, which were tax reform and Social Security reform.",1916.5,1926.32,{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":69,"text":2082,"start_s":2083,"end_s":2084,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},339,"214141","We practically made a pact with the 27 state governors and we agreed on a joint vote within the National Congress.",1927.08,1935.9,{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":69,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},340,"214142","I am convinced, I am convinced, that this mensalão business stirs up a bit of folklore within the National Congress.",1937.5,1944.8,{"idx":2092,"utterance_id":2093,"speaker_name":69,"text":2094,"start_s":2095,"end_s":2096,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},341,"214143","There may be other kinds of things that deputies may know, but I don't believe there was a mensalão.",1945.18,1951.02,{"idx":2098,"utterance_id":2099,"speaker_name":69,"text":2100,"start_s":2101,"end_s":2102,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},342,"214144","Mr. President, a short while ago you made a very beautiful defense of democracy.",1951.06,1956.18,{"idx":2104,"utterance_id":2105,"speaker_name":69,"text":2106,"start_s":2107,"end_s":2108,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},343,"214145","You fought against the dictatorship, were imprisoned, in short, paid the price for fighting for democracy.",1956.74,1962.48,{"idx":2110,"utterance_id":2111,"speaker_name":69,"text":2112,"start_s":2113,"end_s":2114,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},344,"214146","We note that the democratic question is very much present from an internal point of view.",1963.4,1969.18,{"idx":2116,"utterance_id":2117,"speaker_name":69,"text":2118,"start_s":2119,"end_s":2120,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},345,"214147","Now, what about our foreign policy?",1969.66,1971.56,{"idx":2122,"utterance_id":2123,"speaker_name":69,"text":2124,"start_s":2125,"end_s":2126,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},346,"214148","To what extent do you think it should also have that commitment to democracy?",1971.74,1976.72,{"idx":2128,"utterance_id":2129,"speaker_name":69,"text":2130,"start_s":2131,"end_s":2132,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},347,"214149","Never, never, Rodolfo, have we had so much democracy in foreign policy.",1977.66,1981.76,{"idx":2134,"utterance_id":2135,"speaker_name":69,"text":2136,"start_s":2137,"end_s":2138,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},348,"214150","Never.",1982,1982.38,{"idx":2140,"utterance_id":2141,"speaker_name":69,"text":2142,"start_s":2143,"end_s":2144,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},349,"214151","Look... Today Brazil has a leadership position in South America, in Latin America.",1984.16,1991.76,{"idx":2146,"utterance_id":2147,"speaker_name":69,"text":2148,"start_s":2149,"end_s":2150,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},350,"214152","Brazil is often invited by Chávez to resolve his problems with the United States.",1992.72,1998.06,{"idx":2152,"utterance_id":2153,"speaker_name":69,"text":2154,"start_s":2155,"end_s":2156,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},351,"214153","And at the same time we are invited by the United States to help resolve problems with Chávez.",1998.6,2002.68,{"idx":2158,"utterance_id":2159,"speaker_name":69,"text":2160,"start_s":2161,"end_s":2162,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},352,"214154","And then I remember my political history.",2003.08,2004.78,{"idx":2164,"utterance_id":2165,"speaker_name":69,"text":2166,"start_s":2167,"end_s":2168,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},353,"214155","When I came up in the labor movement, some people from the 'big party' said, 'this guy is a CIA agent.'",2004.84,2010.68,{"idx":2170,"utterance_id":2171,"speaker_name":69,"text":2172,"start_s":2173,"end_s":2174,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},354,"214156","And those on the right said, 'he is a communist.'",2012.04,2014.88,{"idx":2176,"utterance_id":2177,"speaker_name":69,"text":2178,"start_s":2179,"end_s":2180,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},355,"214157","So, I think I have always positioned myself among those people who define themselves as the middle way.",2015.78,2022.62,{"idx":2182,"utterance_id":2183,"speaker_name":69,"text":2184,"start_s":2185,"end_s":2186,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},356,"214158","That is, Brazil today plays a role in its foreign policy as it has never played at any other time in its history.",2023.42,2030.02,{"idx":2188,"utterance_id":2189,"speaker_name":69,"text":2190,"start_s":2191,"end_s":2192,"word_count":822,"indexable":74},357,"214159","And not because of President Lula, not because of Itamaraty, but because of a set of factors happening in international politics that allowed... Brazil to play this prominent role, especially from the moment we decided to prioritize relations with South America and recover Mercosul, when we later decided to adopt a new attitude toward the African continent, when we decided to bring the Arab countries together with the countries of South America, when we decided to create the G20 — that was the milestone for all this, because the G20 allowed India... China, South Africa, Brazil and other countries of similar size to come together to defend their common interests within multilateral organizations and institutions.",2030.7,2083.14,{"idx":2194,"utterance_id":2195,"speaker_name":69,"text":2196,"start_s":2197,"end_s":2198,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},358,"214160","So we created much more strength, we became much stronger in terms of the collective interests of the G20 and for the first time we are very close.",2083.16,2092.64,{"idx":2200,"utterance_id":2201,"speaker_name":69,"text":2202,"start_s":2203,"end_s":2204,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},359,"214161","Very close, Rodolfo, to achieving an agreement in the World Trade Organization.",2093.14,2097.94,{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":69,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},360,"214162","And you watched President Bush's speech yesterday saying that the United States will do its part.",2098.28,2104.52,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":69,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},361,"214163","It will reduce agricultural subsidies and he expects Europe to reduce them.",2104.98,2108.48,{"idx":2218,"utterance_id":2219,"speaker_name":69,"text":2220,"start_s":2221,"end_s":2222,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},362,"214164","We are close.",2108.82,2109.6,{"idx":2224,"utterance_id":2225,"speaker_name":69,"text":2226,"start_s":2227,"end_s":2228,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},363,"214165","And I, personally, am very confident.",2109.9,2111.5,{"idx":2230,"utterance_id":2231,"speaker_name":69,"text":2232,"start_s":2233,"end_s":2234,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},364,"214166","Mr. President, I will ask your permission to return to the topic of domestic policy.",2111.62,2116.14,{"idx":2236,"utterance_id":2237,"speaker_name":69,"text":2238,"start_s":2239,"end_s":2240,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},365,"214167","In your assessment, is there direct or indirect involvement of the PT or members of the PT in the assassination of Mayor Celso Daniel?",2116.9,2124.74,{"idx":2242,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":69,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},366,"214168","There is not.",2125.76,2125.98,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":69,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},367,"214169","Matinas, I am embarrassed and deeply hurt, because Celso was a brother.",2127.8,2134.64,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":69,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},368,"214170","Celso was a comrade whom I had asked to coordinate the government program and certainly, if Celso were alive — Celso, who was in my opinion... the most competent public administrator in this country when it comes to municipal government — would be working with me.",2135.64,2153.28,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":69,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},369,"214171","Our comrade Celso Daniel was murdered, you see, and you already have, you know, the results of the Civil Police of São Paulo.",2155.26,2163.34,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":69,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},370,"214172","You have the findings of the Federal Police, which I asked President Fernando Henrique Cardoso to send to investigate so that it would not be left only under the orders of the Civil Police of São Paulo.",2163.36,2176.7,{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":69,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},371,"214173","And both the Federal Police and the Civil Police considered the matter closed and treated it as a common case.",2176.72,2181.96,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":69,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},372,"214174","Now, strangely, every time it nears an election year, this case resurfaces, trying to transform the victim.",2182.76,2192.34,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":69,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},373,"214175","I don't like it.",2193,2193.64,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":69,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},374,"214176","I think that the people who handle the case of Celso Daniel's death the way they are handling it should have much more respect for the relationship that Celso had with the PT and that the PT had with Celso.",2195.46,2209.84,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":69,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},375,"214177","I think including the family, because the family is involved in that relationship.",2209.86,2213.8,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":69,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},376,"214178","I don't know the family.",2213.82,2214.88,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":69,"text":2304,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},377,"214179",2215.6,2216.2,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":69,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},378,"214180","As far as I know, I was Celso's friend for almost 25 years of my life.",2216.26,2222.54,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":69,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},379,"214181","In fact, I had no interaction with his brothers.",2223.42,2226.92,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":69,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":344,"indexable":74},380,"214182","It means I was so close to Celso because, you know, Santo André is very close to São Bernardo and I campaigned a lot in Santo André, I attended many public events in Santo André, and I didn't know Celso's brothers.",2226.96,2241.22,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":69,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},381,"214183","So it may mean that there wasn't that closeness among the brothers.",2241.28,2245.56,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":69,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},382,"214184","This question is from Luciana Begoso Silva, from São Paulo.",2245.98,2248.7,{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":69,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},383,"214185","She is 28 years old and says the following.",2249.18,2251.06,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":69,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},384,"214186","For the economy to grow, will it be necessary that, starting in December and throughout 2006, interest rates fall?",2251.48,2258.42,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":69,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},385,"214187","Do you believe this will happen and that inflation will be identical in 2005 and 2006?",2258.98,2264.62,{"idx":2361,"utterance_id":2362,"speaker_name":69,"text":2363,"start_s":2364,"end_s":2365,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},386,"214188","First, interest rates are already falling.",2265.54,2266.96,{"idx":2367,"utterance_id":2368,"speaker_name":69,"text":2369,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},387,"214189","A little, but they have already fallen.",2268.34,2269.28,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":69,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},388,"214190","Very little.",2269.38,2269.78,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":69,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},389,"214191","But they will fall, see, because... Do you know what happens in the economic area?",2270.28,2274.2,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":69,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},390,"214192","And it's important that this lady from Bahia asked the question.",2274.68,2278.14,{"idx":2391,"utterance_id":2392,"speaker_name":69,"text":2393,"start_s":2394,"end_s":2395,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},391,"214193","Because in Brazil... we've always had the experience of magic.",2279.26,2284.58,{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":69,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},392,"214194","It was rare for a finance minister not to try to invent a fad.",2285.82,2293.76,{"idx":2403,"utterance_id":2404,"speaker_name":69,"text":2405,"start_s":2406,"end_s":2407,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},393,"214195","And then you see Plano Verão, Plano Préstamo, Plano Colo, and they keep inventing.",2295.16,2301.06,{"idx":2409,"utterance_id":2410,"speaker_name":69,"text":2411,"start_s":2412,"end_s":2413,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},394,"214196","And a few months later it doesn't work out and society ends up with loss after loss, loss after loss.",2301.26,2308.84,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":69,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},395,"214197","Well, what are we doing?",2308.86,2311.66,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":69,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},396,"214198","First, we are telling Brazilian society that there is no magic in economic policy.",2312.34,2316.74,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":69,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},397,"214199","There is seriousness and there are very clear rules of the game.",2317.88,2323.78,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":69,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},398,"214200","And what are we achieving at this moment?",2324.9,2326.94,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":69,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},399,"214201","A combination of positive factors that hadn't existed in the Brazilian economy for many years.",2327.6,2333.9,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":69,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},400,"214202","You know that Brazil, whenever it decided to export, sidelined the domestic market.",2333.98,2341.18,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":69,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},401,"214203","Or when it decided to grow, inflation would exceed double digits.",2341.94,2345.44,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":69,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},402,"214204","What is happening at this moment in the Brazilian economy?",2345.86,2348.44,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":69,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},403,"214205","Our economy is growing.",2349.1,2351.18,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":69,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},404,"214206","Our exports are growing.",2351.98,2353.9,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":69,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},405,"214207","We have the current account surplus growing.",2354.54,2357.42,{"idx":2481,"utterance_id":2482,"speaker_name":69,"text":2483,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},406,"214208","We have the trade balance surplus hitting record after record.",2358.3,2362.86,{"idx":2487,"utterance_id":2488,"speaker_name":69,"text":2489,"start_s":2490,"end_s":2491,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},407,"214209","We have an increase in domestic savings.",2362.9,2364.8,{"idx":2493,"utterance_id":2494,"speaker_name":69,"text":2495,"start_s":2496,"end_s":2497,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},408,"214210","We have an increase in the wage bill.",2365.24,2367.08,{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":69,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},409,"214211","And we have an increase in employment.",2367.74,2369.56,{"idx":2505,"utterance_id":2506,"speaker_name":69,"text":2507,"start_s":2508,"end_s":2509,"word_count":338,"indexable":74},410,"214212","It's important to remember that if you study the difference between workers dismissed and hired, that is what Caged is, every worker who is hired is reported to the Ministry of Labor and everyone who is fired is reported to the Ministry of Labor.",2370.22,2386.74,{"idx":2511,"utterance_id":2512,"speaker_name":69,"text":2513,"start_s":2514,"end_s":2515,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},411,"214213","The positive difference over eight years of the previous government was eight thousand per month.",2387.12,2393.02,{"idx":2517,"utterance_id":2518,"speaker_name":69,"text":2519,"start_s":2520,"end_s":2521,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},412,"214214","Our average over 34 months... is 107 thousand jobs per month, that is, more than 12 times more job creation.",2394.16,2404.18,{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":69,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},413,"214215","In addition, what is happening?",2404.78,2406.36,{"idx":2529,"utterance_id":2530,"speaker_name":69,"text":2531,"start_s":2532,"end_s":2533,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},414,"214216","Inflation is, you know, going to stay below 5%, it will be around 5%, and we have the basic food basket decreasing, that is, the worker's purchasing power can buy more of the basic food basket than he could previously.",2406.38,2420.44,{"idx":2535,"utterance_id":2536,"speaker_name":69,"text":2537,"start_s":2538,"end_s":2539,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},415,"214217","So, the situation is as follows: we have...",2421.38,2425.14,{"idx":2541,"utterance_id":2542,"speaker_name":69,"text":2543,"start_s":2544,"end_s":2545,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},416,"214218","Economic stability, we have job creation and there is Bolsa Família, which is the largest conditional cash transfer program in the world, that is, already providing assistance this month.",2425.92,2439.78,{"idx":2547,"utterance_id":2548,"speaker_name":69,"text":2549,"start_s":2545,"end_s":2550,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},417,"214219","8 million families in all municipalities.",2443.78,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":69,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},418,"214220","You promised 11 million jobs, Mr. President.",2443.88,2446.8,{"idx":2558,"utterance_id":2559,"speaker_name":69,"text":2560,"start_s":2561,"end_s":2562,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},419,"214221","Will you be able to reach that number?",2446.82,2448.92,{"idx":2564,"utterance_id":2565,"speaker_name":69,"text":2566,"start_s":2567,"end_s":2568,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},420,"214222","First, I didn't promise it; you already increased it by one.",2449.46,2451.3,{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":69,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},421,"214223","The press at the time said 10.",2452.12,2453.72,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":69,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},422,"214224","What's written in the program?",2454.84,2457.9,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":69,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},423,"214225","which you can have access to it?",2457.96,2459.5,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":69,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},424,"214226","What is written is that we observed that Brazil would need to create 10 million jobs.",2459.96,2466.7,{"idx":2594,"utterance_id":2595,"speaker_name":69,"text":2596,"start_s":2597,"end_s":2598,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},425,"214227","We have already created now, in 34 months,",2467.32,2469.66,{"idx":2600,"utterance_id":2601,"speaker_name":69,"text":2602,"start_s":2598,"end_s":2603,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},426,"214228","3,576,000 new formal jobs.",2475.88,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":69,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},427,"214229","If you imagine what is generating employment in this country, it's payroll-deductible loans.",2476.38,2480.62,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":69,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},428,"214230","If you imagine what's creating jobs in this country, it's the money we are putting into Brazilian family farming.",2481.06,2487.7,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":69,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},429,"214231","We went from 4 billion to 9 billion reais in the 2005-2006 Plano Safra.",2488.12,2493.58,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":69,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},430,"214232","If you imagine what the approval of the Elderly Statute means for job creation, it put another 3 billion into the market.",2495.4,2502.28,{"idx":2629,"utterance_id":2630,"speaker_name":69,"text":2631,"start_s":2632,"end_s":2633,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},431,"214233","If you imagine what microcredit and the cooperatives we instituted in this country generate in terms of employment, when my term ends — and I always say, I want to be judged at the end of my term.",2502.78,2516.24,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":2636,"speaker_name":69,"text":2637,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2639,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},432,"214234","I want to be judged by what was done.",2516.38,2517.78,{"idx":2641,"utterance_id":2642,"speaker_name":69,"text":2643,"start_s":2644,"end_s":2645,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},433,"214235","I don't know if I'll get there, but we will reach the maximum.",2518.06,2521.28,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":69,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},434,"214236","to the maximum that was created in the last 22 years.",2522.1,2524.68,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":69,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},435,"214237","Because when we talk about the economy, we cannot have short memories, and you are men who form public opinion, you must remember the following: we had 22 years — I will repeat, 22 years — of stagnation or of very mediocre growth.",2525.02,2542.46,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":69,"text":2661,"start_s":2657,"end_s":2662,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},436,"214238","22 years, that is... A generation of Brazilians, from 1980 to 2002, was formed with either zero growth or very low growth.",2555.86,{"idx":2664,"utterance_id":2665,"speaker_name":69,"text":2666,"start_s":2667,"end_s":2668,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},437,"214239","We, in these three years, are growing what Brazil did not grow in the last 20 years.",2556.3,2563.52,{"idx":2670,"utterance_id":2671,"speaker_name":69,"text":2672,"start_s":2673,"end_s":2674,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},438,"214240","We need to grow more.",2563.82,2564.7,{"idx":2676,"utterance_id":2677,"speaker_name":69,"text":2678,"start_s":2679,"end_s":2680,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},439,"214241","Of course we need to and we will work to grow more.",2565.12,2567.82,{"idx":2682,"utterance_id":2683,"speaker_name":69,"text":2684,"start_s":2685,"end_s":2686,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},440,"214242","That's why we are opening more markets, that's why we approved technological innovation, that's why we approved the 'do bem' provisional measure, that's why we carried out tax reform, because we want to grow more and we will grow.",2568.2,2579.9,{"idx":2688,"utterance_id":2689,"speaker_name":69,"text":2690,"start_s":2691,"end_s":2692,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},441,"214243","Regarding this economic question, Mr. President, I imagine that within this economy, since all political parties had difficulties raising money to run an electoral campaign.",2580.34,2589.66,{"idx":2694,"utterance_id":2695,"speaker_name":69,"text":2696,"start_s":2697,"end_s":2698,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},442,"214244","I would like to know if you acknowledge that you were elected.",2591.06,2594.06,{"idx":2700,"utterance_id":2701,"speaker_name":69,"text":2702,"start_s":2703,"end_s":2704,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},443,"214245","With the electoral campaign that was financed by the PT's Caixa 2.",2594.94,2597.94,{"idx":2706,"utterance_id":2707,"speaker_name":69,"text":2708,"start_s":2709,"end_s":2710,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},444,"214246","We are already saying this as proven facts and stated, including, by the PL, which is a party in the government's allied base, saying that one spent X and another spent Y in your electoral campaign.",2598.7,2607.12,{"idx":2712,"utterance_id":2713,"speaker_name":69,"text":2714,"start_s":2715,"end_s":2716,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},445,"214247","How do you argue this issue?",2607.86,2610.56,{"idx":2718,"utterance_id":2719,"speaker_name":69,"text":2720,"start_s":2721,"end_s":2722,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},446,"214248","having been elected with money coming from Caixa 2?",2610.6,2613.22,{"idx":2724,"utterance_id":2725,"speaker_name":69,"text":2726,"start_s":2727,"end_s":2728,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},447,"214249","Do you believe that?",2613.66,2614.56,{"idx":2730,"utterance_id":2731,"speaker_name":69,"text":2732,"start_s":2733,"end_s":2734,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},448,"214250","The one who said this was an ally of the government, Mr. President.",2615.08,2618.84,{"idx":2736,"utterance_id":2737,"speaker_name":69,"text":2738,"start_s":2739,"end_s":2740,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},449,"214251","Let me tell you something.",2619.94,2620.9,{"idx":2742,"utterance_id":2743,"speaker_name":69,"text":2744,"start_s":2745,"end_s":2746,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},450,"214252","I ran a campaign.",2621.04,2622,{"idx":2748,"utterance_id":2749,"speaker_name":69,"text":2750,"start_s":2751,"end_s":2752,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},451,"214253","In the first round, I received 49% of the votes, I ran a campaign and that campaign had resources.",2623.26,2631.52,{"idx":2754,"utterance_id":2755,"speaker_name":69,"text":2756,"start_s":2757,"end_s":2758,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},452,"214254","And those resources are accounted for with the Electoral Court of São Paulo, signed by me.",2632.42,2637.64,{"idx":2760,"utterance_id":2761,"speaker_name":69,"text":2762,"start_s":2763,"end_s":2764,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},453,"214255","Well, what I see some people say smells to me... There's a bit of fantasy.",2637.66,2645.72,{"idx":2766,"utterance_id":2767,"speaker_name":69,"text":2768,"start_s":2769,"end_s":2770,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},454,"214256","Now, wait, wait.",2645.96,2646.94,{"idx":2772,"utterance_id":2773,"speaker_name":69,"text":2774,"start_s":2775,"end_s":2776,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},455,"214257","I saw the president of the PL say, in an interview, in a debate, that he had received 10 million from Delúvio to finance my campaign.",2647.44,2655.08,{"idx":2778,"utterance_id":2779,"speaker_name":69,"text":2780,"start_s":2781,"end_s":2782,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},456,"214258","Now, does anyone believe that if Delúvio had 10 million reais to give to him, to finance the PT's campaign, he would give it to the PL to finance or that Delúvio himself would finance it?",2655.98,2665.8,{"idx":2784,"utterance_id":2785,"speaker_name":69,"text":2786,"start_s":2787,"end_s":2788,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},457,"214259","But it was a party allied with you.",2665.82,2667.3,{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":69,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},458,"214260","But that's not a problem.",2667.32,2668.76,{"idx":2796,"utterance_id":2797,"speaker_name":69,"text":2798,"start_s":2799,"end_s":2800,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},459,"214261","The election was already over.",2669.22,2671,{"idx":2802,"utterance_id":2803,"speaker_name":69,"text":2804,"start_s":2805,"end_s":2806,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},460,"214262","The election for deputy was already over.",2671.1,2673.52,{"idx":2808,"utterance_id":2809,"speaker_name":69,"text":2810,"start_s":2811,"end_s":2812,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},461,"214263","He already had his own problem.",2674.88,2676.28,{"idx":2814,"utterance_id":2815,"speaker_name":69,"text":2816,"start_s":2817,"end_s":2818,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},462,"214264","Let me tell you.",2678.2,2678.82,{"idx":2820,"utterance_id":2821,"speaker_name":69,"text":2822,"start_s":2823,"end_s":2824,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},463,"214265","The election for deputy had already ended.",2679.18,2681.98,{"idx":2826,"utterance_id":2827,"speaker_name":69,"text":2828,"start_s":2829,"end_s":2830,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},464,"214266","Therefore, the second-round election was a head-to-head election, President Lula versus candidate Serra.",2682.82,2688.98,{"idx":2832,"utterance_id":2833,"speaker_name":69,"text":2834,"start_s":2835,"end_s":2836,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},465,"214267","There was not, on the contrary, there was no participation by allied parties in contributions to campaign financing.",2690.38,2697.28,{"idx":2838,"utterance_id":2839,"speaker_name":69,"text":2840,"start_s":2841,"end_s":2842,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},466,"214268","What happened was that PT (Workers' Party), according to our delúvio, made agreements.",2697.4,2702.84,{"idx":2844,"utterance_id":2845,"speaker_name":69,"text":2846,"start_s":2847,"end_s":2848,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},467,"214269","so that part of what we raised would be given proportionally according to the parties' benches.",2703.62,2709.22,{"idx":2850,"utterance_id":2851,"speaker_name":69,"text":2852,"start_s":2853,"end_s":2854,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},468,"214270","But they acknowledged, Mr. President, several statements to the CPI, of the so-called unaccounted-for money.",2709.6,2714.98,{"idx":2856,"utterance_id":2857,"speaker_name":69,"text":2858,"start_s":2859,"end_s":2860,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},469,"214271","That was a matter for an entire country to... But this has already been stated by Delubio; Delubio has already recognized the electoral crime committed.",2715.34,2721.32,{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":69,"text":2864,"start_s":2865,"end_s":2866,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},470,"214272","It has already been said by Delubio.",2722.58,2723.82,{"idx":2868,"utterance_id":2869,"speaker_name":69,"text":2870,"start_s":2871,"end_s":2872,"word_count":344,"indexable":74},471,"214273","Everyone here knows that the PP... So you were elected with the money of the so-called... No, because the large part of the money... that is in this whole bundle went to the municipal mayoral elections, according to deluve, according to... That money did not reach the presidential campaign?",2724.62,2739.48,{"idx":2874,"utterance_id":2875,"speaker_name":69,"text":2876,"start_s":2877,"end_s":2878,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},472,"214274","It did not reach the 2002 campaign; certainly it did not reach.",2739.5,2741.82,{"idx":2880,"utterance_id":2881,"speaker_name":69,"text":2882,"start_s":2883,"end_s":2884,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},473,"214275","And in the present case, the money from Duda Mendonça, which he acknowledges he had to receive off the books, in accounts abroad, it went to your campaign.",2741.84,2750.88,{"idx":2886,"utterance_id":2887,"speaker_name":69,"text":2888,"start_s":2889,"end_s":2890,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},474,"214276","But excuse me, I cannot answer for Duda Mendonça's money.",2750.9,2753.54,{"idx":2892,"utterance_id":2893,"speaker_name":69,"text":2894,"start_s":2895,"end_s":2896,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},475,"214277","I cannot answer, also because... PT had a campaign coordination that made agreements not only with Duda, but with everyone who worked on the campaign, from the boy who served coffee to Duda Mendonça.",2754.64,2766.68,{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":69,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},476,"214278","And certainly, either Delubes has already accounted at the CPI, or Duda will account at the CPI, and when the CPI has its report, we will know what actually happened.",2766.72,2776.26,{"idx":2904,"utterance_id":2905,"speaker_name":69,"text":2906,"start_s":2907,"end_s":2908,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},477,"214279","Why was he already punished with the loss of advertising contracts at the Planalto (Presidential Palace), Mr. President?",2776.28,2781.1,{"idx":2910,"utterance_id":2911,"speaker_name":69,"text":2912,"start_s":2913,"end_s":2914,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},478,"214280","Duda.",2781.36,2781.76,{"idx":2916,"utterance_id":2917,"speaker_name":69,"text":2918,"start_s":2919,"end_s":2920,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},479,"214281","No, because it was not possible for you to have in SECOM... someone who was under suspicion in the CPI.",2783.88,2791.34,{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":69,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},480,"214282","So he was removed, he continues with the accounts he has, I don't know if he has accounts at Banco do Brasil, Petrobras, BNDES, that is, the one who has to break the contract is the institution that hired him, it is not the President of the Republic.",2791.76,2802.82,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":69,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},481,"214283","Mr. President, do these parties allied with you remain in the government's base of support?",2803.04,2807.74,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":69,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},482,"214284","Even after having dragged the government into the crisis that the whole country is experiencing?",2808.04,2812.18,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":69,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},483,"214285","And having raised the most shocking suspicions for the Brazilian population, for public opinion?",2812.54,2816.8,{"idx":2946,"utterance_id":2947,"speaker_name":69,"text":2948,"start_s":2949,"end_s":2950,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},484,"214286","Heródoto, they remain.",2817.18,2818.42,{"idx":2952,"utterance_id":2953,"speaker_name":69,"text":2954,"start_s":2955,"end_s":2956,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},485,"214287","and the people who within those parties committed any illicit act will appear in the investigation.",2819.54,2827.34,{"idx":2958,"utterance_id":2959,"speaker_name":69,"text":2960,"start_s":2961,"end_s":2962,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},486,"214288","And if they appear, those people will be punished.",2827.64,2829.46,{"idx":2964,"utterance_id":2965,"speaker_name":69,"text":2966,"start_s":2967,"end_s":2968,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},487,"214289","But, Mr. President, when that person says that he financed your campaign, that the parties financed your campaign, that this money came from PT's Caixa 2, how do you explain this to the population?",2829.92,2838.26,{"idx":2970,"utterance_id":2971,"speaker_name":69,"text":2972,"start_s":2973,"end_s":2974,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},488,"214290","But why do you believe what he said and not what I am telling you?",2838.28,2842.04,{"idx":2976,"utterance_id":2977,"speaker_name":69,"text":2978,"start_s":2979,"end_s":2980,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},489,"214291","I believe what you are saying, Jorge.",2842.44,2843.88,{"idx":2982,"utterance_id":2983,"speaker_name":69,"text":2984,"start_s":2985,"end_s":2986,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},490,"214292","So that's that.",2843.9,2844.28,{"idx":2988,"utterance_id":2989,"speaker_name":69,"text":2990,"start_s":2991,"end_s":2992,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},491,"214293","In other words, I think... unlikely?",2844.46,2847.4,{"idx":2994,"utterance_id":2995,"speaker_name":69,"text":2996,"start_s":2997,"end_s":2998,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},492,"214294","I don't think so.",2848.72,2849.12,{"idx":3000,"utterance_id":3001,"speaker_name":69,"text":3002,"start_s":3003,"end_s":3004,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},493,"214295","I am sure that it is unlikely that the PL gave money to the presidential campaign.",2849.8,2856.12,{"idx":3006,"utterance_id":3007,"speaker_name":69,"text":3008,"start_s":3009,"end_s":3010,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},494,"214296","I think it more likely that Delugo did it... He said that he received the money.",2857.14,2862.06,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":69,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},495,"214297","I think it more likely that Delugo did something crazy... Mr. President, sorry.",2862.08,2865.2,{"idx":3018,"utterance_id":3019,"speaker_name":69,"text":3020,"start_s":3021,"end_s":3022,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},496,"214298","He said that he received the money.",2865.62,2866.96,{"idx":3024,"utterance_id":3025,"speaker_name":69,"text":3026,"start_s":3027,"end_s":3028,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},497,"214299","The discussion is not whether he received it or not.",2867,2868.88,{"idx":3030,"utterance_id":3031,"speaker_name":69,"text":3032,"start_s":3033,"end_s":3034,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},498,"214300","The discussion in the Congress is how much he received.",2869.14,2871.36,{"idx":3036,"utterance_id":3037,"speaker_name":69,"text":3038,"start_s":3039,"end_s":3040,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},499,"214301","Marcos Valério himself has discussed with them: was it 10, was it 5, was it 4, and he received, he received.",2872.28,2877.58,{"idx":3042,"utterance_id":3043,"speaker_name":69,"text":3044,"start_s":3045,"end_s":3046,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},500,"214302","What is being discussed is how much came to finance your campaign in the second round, received by the PR.",2877.9,2882.7,{"idx":3048,"utterance_id":3049,"speaker_name":69,"text":3050,"start_s":3051,"end_s":3052,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},501,"214303","But the CPI will tell us that.",2882.96,2885.5,{"idx":3054,"utterance_id":3055,"speaker_name":69,"text":3056,"start_s":3057,"end_s":3058,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},502,"214304","That's what it exists for.",2886.96,2887.9,{"idx":3060,"utterance_id":3061,"speaker_name":69,"text":3062,"start_s":3063,"end_s":3064,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},503,"214305","It's to inform us.",2888.78,2889.44,{"idx":3066,"utterance_id":3067,"speaker_name":69,"text":3068,"start_s":3069,"end_s":3070,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},504,"214306","How much it was and what was done with the money.",2890.54,2892.38,{"idx":3072,"utterance_id":3073,"speaker_name":69,"text":3074,"start_s":3075,"end_s":3076,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},505,"214307","Mr. President, you are in a good position on this issue.",2892.74,2893.84,{"idx":3078,"utterance_id":3079,"speaker_name":69,"text":3080,"start_s":3081,"end_s":3082,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},506,"214308","Let's just await the CPI's result, so instead of you and I diverging, we will say, here is the result.",2893.86,2899.96,{"idx":3084,"utterance_id":3085,"speaker_name":69,"text":3086,"start_s":3087,"end_s":3088,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},507,"214309","And someone will contest it.",2900.44,2901.36,{"idx":3090,"utterance_id":3091,"speaker_name":69,"text":3092,"start_s":3093,"end_s":3094,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},508,"214310","Either the MPF (Federal Public Ministry) will approve, or the Federal Police will investigate, or the courts will judge.",2901.88,2906.48,{"idx":3096,"utterance_id":3097,"speaker_name":69,"text":3098,"start_s":3099,"end_s":3100,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},509,"214311","Mr. President, excuse me, sitting there in that chair of your post, commanding Brazil, what do you intend to do so that there are no more caixadores in Brazil, for example?",2906.9,2914.28,{"idx":3102,"utterance_id":3103,"speaker_name":69,"text":3104,"start_s":3105,"end_s":3106,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},510,"214312","What can you, politically, what can you do?",2914.32,2916.42,{"idx":3108,"utterance_id":3109,"speaker_name":69,"text":3110,"start_s":3111,"end_s":3112,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},511,"214313","I have an old program on Roda Viva, in which I raise the issue of the need for public campaign financing.",2916.78,2926.92,{"idx":3114,"utterance_id":3115,"speaker_name":69,"text":3116,"start_s":3117,"end_s":3118,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},512,"214314","There are many people who are against it because they think it will spend money on campaigns.",2927.3,2930.24,{"idx":3120,"utterance_id":3121,"speaker_name":69,"text":3122,"start_s":3123,"end_s":3124,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},513,"214315","Public financing is much cheaper.",2930.86,2933.72,{"idx":3126,"utterance_id":3127,"speaker_name":69,"text":3128,"start_s":3129,"end_s":3130,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},514,"214316","It is much cheaper.",2934.46,2935.18,{"idx":3132,"utterance_id":3133,"speaker_name":69,"text":3134,"start_s":3135,"end_s":3136,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},515,"214317","You determine the value of each vote, distribute that money proportionally to each party, set up a structure to oversee it and we would be solving that problem.",2935.22,2946.18,{"idx":3138,"utterance_id":3139,"speaker_name":69,"text":3140,"start_s":3141,"end_s":3142,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},516,"214318","At least the financing.",2946.82,2947.9,{"idx":3144,"utterance_id":3145,"speaker_name":69,"text":3146,"start_s":3147,"end_s":3148,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},517,"214319","What is the other problem?",2947.92,2949,{"idx":3150,"utterance_id":3151,"speaker_name":69,"text":3152,"start_s":3153,"end_s":3154,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},518,"214320","It is that, in my opinion, private money should be prohibited.",2949.9,2952.46,{"idx":3156,"utterance_id":3157,"speaker_name":69,"text":3158,"start_s":3159,"end_s":3160,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},519,"214321","Second, we needed to have... party fidelity.",2953.8,2957.32,{"idx":3162,"utterance_id":3163,"speaker_name":69,"text":3164,"start_s":3165,"end_s":3166,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},520,"214322","So that we can build stronger parties.",2958.56,2961.52,{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":69,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},521,"214323","So that the Brazilian Republic becomes a much stronger republic.",2962.02,2965.7,{"idx":3174,"utterance_id":3175,"speaker_name":69,"text":3176,"start_s":3177,"end_s":3178,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},522,"214324","Do you think the government will strive in that direction?",2965.72,2967.72,{"idx":3180,"utterance_id":3181,"speaker_name":69,"text":3182,"start_s":3183,"end_s":3184,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},523,"214325","Because all governments... It has already made an effort.",2967.84,2970.54,{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":69,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},524,"214326","We set up a commission, coordinated by Minister Márcio Tomás Bastos, based on the report approved by the commission in the National Congress, which made the proposal for political reform.",2971.34,2984.7,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":69,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},525,"214327","We put forward some points and it is there to be voted on.",2986.28,2988.64,{"idx":3198,"utterance_id":3199,"speaker_name":69,"text":3200,"start_s":3201,"end_s":3202,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},526,"214328","And certainly there is divergence, that's why it is not voted on.",2989.3,2991.66,{"idx":3204,"utterance_id":3205,"speaker_name":69,"text":3206,"start_s":3207,"end_s":3208,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},527,"214329","When it is not voted it is because the parties that are in the National Congress do not agree.",2992.66,2997.36,{"idx":3210,"utterance_id":3211,"speaker_name":69,"text":3212,"start_s":3213,"end_s":3214,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},528,"214330","And then, my dear, there is nothing to be done.",2997.46,2999.3,{"idx":3216,"utterance_id":3217,"speaker_name":69,"text":3218,"start_s":3219,"end_s":3220,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},529,"214331","The Congress has sovereignty to vote.",3000.14,3002.68,{"idx":3222,"utterance_id":3223,"speaker_name":69,"text":3224,"start_s":3225,"end_s":3226,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},530,"214332","You mentioned Minister Marcos Tomás Bastos.",3002.7,3005.28,{"idx":3228,"utterance_id":3229,"speaker_name":69,"text":3230,"start_s":3231,"end_s":3232,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},531,"214333","That referendum that was held recently gave an unexpected result.",3006.14,3011.98,{"idx":3234,"utterance_id":3235,"speaker_name":69,"text":3236,"start_s":3237,"end_s":3238,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},532,"214334","The 'no' option was approved.",3012.36,3013.7,{"idx":3240,"utterance_id":3241,"speaker_name":69,"text":3242,"start_s":3243,"end_s":3244,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},533,"214335","An overwhelming majority.",3014.12,3015.26,{"idx":3246,"utterance_id":3247,"speaker_name":69,"text":3248,"start_s":3249,"end_s":3250,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},534,"214336","How did you interpret that?",3015.68,3017.2,{"idx":3252,"utterance_id":3253,"speaker_name":69,"text":3254,"start_s":3255,"end_s":3256,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},535,"214337","This issue of security which will be so important, including, for next year, for the campaign year.",3017.28,3022.78,{"idx":3258,"utterance_id":3259,"speaker_name":69,"text":3260,"start_s":3261,"end_s":3262,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},536,"214338","How did you interpret this result?",3023.1,3025.36,{"idx":3264,"utterance_id":3265,"speaker_name":69,"text":3266,"start_s":3267,"end_s":3268,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},537,"214339","Well, some, very quickly, tried to present it as a defeat for the government.",3025.8,3031.92,{"idx":3270,"utterance_id":3271,"speaker_name":69,"text":3272,"start_s":3273,"end_s":3274,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},538,"214340","First, the government had a victory because it approved the Disarmament Statute.",3032.56,3036.68,{"idx":3276,"utterance_id":3277,"speaker_name":69,"text":3278,"start_s":3279,"end_s":3280,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},539,"214341","The second victory was that more than 400 thousand weapons were handed in.",3037.54,3043.3,{"idx":3282,"utterance_id":3283,"speaker_name":69,"text":3284,"start_s":3285,"end_s":3286,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},540,"214342","by the government.",3043.86,3044.56,{"idx":3288,"utterance_id":3289,"speaker_name":69,"text":3290,"start_s":3291,"end_s":3292,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},541,"214343","Third, since 1990 this is the first time that homicides have decreased in Brazil.",3045.18,3051.16,{"idx":3294,"utterance_id":3295,"speaker_name":69,"text":3296,"start_s":3297,"end_s":3298,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},542,"214344","Fourth, the plebiscite was something proposed by the Chamber of Deputies and the National Congress.",3052.12,3059.56,{"idx":3300,"utterance_id":3301,"speaker_name":69,"text":3302,"start_s":3303,"end_s":3304,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},543,"214345","In fact, the plebiscite was coordinated by two committees of the National Congress that wanted... to be more realistic than the king and put the matter to a plebiscite to find out whether the people wanted to be able to buy guns or not.",3060.08,3072.68,{"idx":3306,"utterance_id":3307,"speaker_name":69,"text":3308,"start_s":3309,"end_s":3310,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},544,"214346","And then, I think that the 'no' campaign, from the point of view of persuasion and the message, was much stronger than the 'yes' campaign.",3072.74,3080.7,{"idx":3312,"utterance_id":3313,"speaker_name":69,"text":3314,"start_s":3315,"end_s":3316,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},545,"214347","The 'yes' campaign seemed merely contrarian, and the 'no' campaign seemed to be the decisive one.",3081.16,3085,{"idx":3318,"utterance_id":3319,"speaker_name":69,"text":3320,"start_s":3321,"end_s":3322,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},546,"214348","So, I think the concrete fact is that the people expressed themselves.",3085.74,3088.82,{"idx":3324,"utterance_id":3325,"speaker_name":69,"text":3326,"start_s":3327,"end_s":3328,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},547,"214349","The democratic process is guaranteed, no one can complain.",3089.26,3092.54,{"idx":3330,"utterance_id":3331,"speaker_name":69,"text":3332,"start_s":3333,"end_s":3334,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},548,"214350","I think the Congress did its part and I think that now we have to take care of security with much greater care.",3093.12,3102.42,{"idx":3336,"utterance_id":3337,"speaker_name":69,"text":3338,"start_s":3339,"end_s":3340,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},549,"214351","Márcio Batista, from Espírito Santo, 25 years old, asks the following.",3103.14,3106,{"idx":3342,"utterance_id":3343,"speaker_name":69,"text":3344,"start_s":3345,"end_s":3346,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},550,"214352","Why hasn't the Primeiro Emprego program taken off?",3106.34,3109.06,{"idx":3348,"utterance_id":3349,"speaker_name":69,"text":3350,"start_s":3351,"end_s":3352,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},551,"214353","Actually, it has taken off.",3110.28,3112.06,{"idx":3354,"utterance_id":3355,"speaker_name":69,"text":3356,"start_s":3357,"end_s":3358,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},552,"214354","We made a law, first of all, that was almost prohibitive.",3112.54,3115.68,{"idx":3360,"utterance_id":3361,"speaker_name":69,"text":3362,"start_s":3363,"end_s":3364,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},553,"214355","Then Minister Jacques Zagni proposed changing the law itself.",3117.08,3120.36,{"idx":3366,"utterance_id":3367,"speaker_name":69,"text":3368,"start_s":3369,"end_s":3370,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},554,"214356","And today we have Primeiro Emprego; just visit the Ministry of Labor and talk to Minister Luiz Marinho and you'll understand what the consortium means.",3120.62,3132.56,{"idx":3372,"utterance_id":3373,"speaker_name":69,"text":3374,"start_s":3375,"end_s":3376,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},555,"214357","for youth, which is something that has generated many jobs, many jobs.",3133.32,3137.44,{"idx":3378,"utterance_id":3379,"speaker_name":69,"text":3380,"start_s":3381,"end_s":3382,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},556,"214358","The Primeiro Emprego program has several ways it can be presented.",3137.96,3140.98,{"idx":3384,"utterance_id":3385,"speaker_name":69,"text":3386,"start_s":3387,"end_s":3388,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},557,"214359","We have a youth program that includes ProJove, that includes factory schools, that includes other programs from various ministries, which altogether will involve 980,000 young people, you know?",3141.48,3155.24,{"idx":3390,"utterance_id":3391,"speaker_name":69,"text":3392,"start_s":3393,"end_s":3394,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},558,"214360","That we are proposing that they return to study, to learn a profession.",3156.06,3161.1,{"idx":3396,"utterance_id":3397,"speaker_name":69,"text":3398,"start_s":3399,"end_s":3400,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},559,"214361","And while they study and learn a profession, we pay them a kind of salary, which ranges from 150 to 100 reais; we are paying that.",3162,3171.06,{"idx":3402,"utterance_id":3403,"speaker_name":69,"text":3404,"start_s":3405,"end_s":3406,"word_count":600,"indexable":74},560,"214362","In some cases, the young people are doing community work; this is in agreement with the municipalities. It seems that in São Paulo there should be around 30,000 young people, in Rio de Janeiro around 29,000 young people, in Recife around 7,000 young people; that is, all the capitals in a partnership between... the federal government and the municipalities, we are running a program so that we can give young people, above all, professional information, so that they can enter the labor market.",3171.66,3200.62,{"idx":3408,"utterance_id":3409,"speaker_name":69,"text":3410,"start_s":3411,"end_s":3412,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},561,"214363","The second thing I think is very important, that is happening right now in Brazil, is PC conectado.",3200.64,3206.7,{"idx":3414,"utterance_id":3415,"speaker_name":69,"text":3416,"start_s":3417,"end_s":3418,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},562,"214364","That is, we made a special program in which we want to put one million computers on the market.",3206.72,3213.82,{"idx":3420,"utterance_id":3421,"speaker_name":69,"text":3422,"start_s":3423,"end_s":3424,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},563,"214365","for the poorest families.",3214.3,3215.78,{"idx":3426,"utterance_id":3427,"speaker_name":69,"text":3428,"start_s":3429,"end_s":3430,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},564,"214366","Those poorest families who will buy a computer costing up to 2,500 reais: that computer will be exempt from PIS and COFINS.",3216.28,3224.22,{"idx":3432,"utterance_id":3433,"speaker_name":69,"text":3434,"start_s":3435,"end_s":3436,"word_count":332,"indexable":74},565,"214367","And furthermore, the poor family will be able to buy this computer with installments that vary, I think, from 60 or 70 reais, to pay over 24 or 36 months, because we believe that from there we will be seizing the opportunity for Brazil to transform itself.",3224.26,3240.98,{"idx":3438,"utterance_id":3439,"speaker_name":69,"text":3440,"start_s":3441,"end_s":3442,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},566,"214368","into a country where computing will not be a problem for our youth.",3241.48,3247.22,{"idx":3444,"utterance_id":3445,"speaker_name":69,"text":3446,"start_s":3447,"end_s":3448,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},567,"214369","Mr. President, whom would you prefer to face in next year's elections?",3248.04,3252.54,{"idx":3450,"utterance_id":3451,"speaker_name":69,"text":3452,"start_s":3453,"end_s":3454,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},568,"214370","Governor Geraldo Alckmin or Mayor José Serra?",3252.78,3256.02,{"idx":3456,"utterance_id":3457,"speaker_name":69,"text":3458,"start_s":3459,"end_s":3460,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},569,"214371","Look, I don't choose an opponent because I haven't decided whether I will be a candidate or not.",3258.2,3262.34,{"idx":3462,"utterance_id":3463,"speaker_name":69,"text":3464,"start_s":3465,"end_s":3466,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},570,"214372","President, don't you think that if you do not run, this will be interpreted as a kind of tacit resignation?",3262.36,3267.9,{"idx":3468,"utterance_id":3469,"speaker_name":69,"text":3470,"start_s":3471,"end_s":3472,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},571,"214373","No, on the contrary.",3268.2,3269.24,{"idx":3474,"utterance_id":3475,"speaker_name":69,"text":3476,"start_s":3477,"end_s":3478,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},572,"214374","How can anyone say that someone who does not run is renouncing, when I, in principle, have always been against re-election?",3270.26,3277.18,{"idx":3480,"utterance_id":3481,"speaker_name":69,"text":3482,"start_s":3483,"end_s":3484,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},573,"214375","And what would make you choose?",3277.2,3281.02,{"idx":3486,"utterance_id":3487,"speaker_name":69,"text":3488,"start_s":3489,"end_s":3490,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},574,"214376","Decide to run?",3281.32,3283.16,{"idx":3492,"utterance_id":3493,"speaker_name":69,"text":3494,"start_s":3495,"end_s":3496,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},575,"214377","Secondly, to be a candidate, you need to have some preconditions.",3283.2,3288.1,{"idx":3498,"utterance_id":3499,"speaker_name":69,"text":3500,"start_s":3501,"end_s":3502,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},576,"214378","You cannot run and have the same thing happen that happened to President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, who could have finished his first term well and ended his second term stifled.",3289.16,3299.88,{"idx":3504,"utterance_id":3505,"speaker_name":69,"text":3506,"start_s":3507,"end_s":3508,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},577,"214379","Or... like President Bush himself is experiencing now in his second term.",3300.76,3307.1,{"idx":3510,"utterance_id":3511,"speaker_name":69,"text":3512,"start_s":3513,"end_s":3514,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},578,"214380","Or several state governors who are in difficult situations in their second term.",3309.92,3314.98,{"idx":3516,"utterance_id":3517,"speaker_name":69,"text":3518,"start_s":3519,"end_s":3520,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},579,"214381","So, I view it with great care.",3315.02,3317.38,{"idx":3522,"utterance_id":3523,"speaker_name":69,"text":3524,"start_s":3525,"end_s":3526,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},580,"214382","I don't have to make a decision now.",3317.52,3318.82,{"idx":3528,"utterance_id":3529,"speaker_name":69,"text":3530,"start_s":3531,"end_s":3532,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},581,"214383","I have to wait until January, February, March to decide whether I will be a candidate or not.",3319.38,3324.52,{"idx":3534,"utterance_id":3535,"speaker_name":69,"text":3536,"start_s":3537,"end_s":3538,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},582,"214384","I can only be a candidate if I am confident that I can make a second term better than the first.",3324.94,3331.5,{"idx":3540,"utterance_id":3541,"speaker_name":69,"text":3542,"start_s":3543,"end_s":3544,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},583,"214385","And if I... can form a political alliance that can give me a concrete majority in the National Congress.",3332.16,3340.94,{"idx":3546,"utterance_id":3547,"speaker_name":69,"text":3548,"start_s":3549,"end_s":3550,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},584,"214386","I'll think about it very carefully; it doesn't unsettle me.",3341.4,3344.9,{"idx":3552,"utterance_id":3553,"speaker_name":69,"text":3554,"start_s":3555,"end_s":3556,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},585,"214387","You will remember that when I joined the union, I was the first to make the decision that the president of the union could not be re-elected.",3345.62,3352.52,{"idx":3558,"utterance_id":3559,"speaker_name":69,"text":3560,"start_s":3561,"end_s":3562,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},586,"214388","Afterwards that changed.",3352.56,3353.32,{"idx":3564,"utterance_id":3565,"speaker_name":69,"text":3566,"start_s":3567,"end_s":3568,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},587,"214389","But in any case, I think re-election is not a good system, especially for Brazil.",3354.28,3359.34,{"idx":3570,"utterance_id":3571,"speaker_name":69,"text":3572,"start_s":3573,"end_s":3574,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},588,"214390","I think not. If a citizen did well, he leaves after the first term, lets someone else govern, and four years later he returns, you know?",3360.38,3368.32,{"idx":3576,"utterance_id":3577,"speaker_name":69,"text":3578,"start_s":3579,"end_s":3580,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},589,"214391","It's better that way.",3368.88,3369.48,{"idx":3582,"utterance_id":3583,"speaker_name":69,"text":3584,"start_s":3585,"end_s":3586,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},590,"214392","So I wanted to understand a phrase from you, one of the recent off-the-cuff remarks you made.",3369.5,3373.26,{"idx":3588,"utterance_id":3589,"speaker_name":69,"text":3590,"start_s":3591,"end_s":3592,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},591,"214393","You said, \"they'll have to swallow me.\"",3373.28,3374.94,{"idx":3594,"utterance_id":3595,"speaker_name":69,"text":3596,"start_s":3597,"end_s":3598,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},592,"214394","First, swallow where?",3375.4,3376.54,{"idx":3600,"utterance_id":3601,"speaker_name":69,"text":3602,"start_s":3603,"end_s":3604,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},593,"214395","In the presidency, I presume.",3376.6,3377.96,{"idx":3606,"utterance_id":3607,"speaker_name":69,"text":3608,"start_s":3609,"end_s":3610,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},594,"214396","They who?",3378.06,3378.74,{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":69,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},595,"214397","Oh Augusto, but you have this habit of taking only half-phrases.",3379.38,3382.24,{"idx":3618,"utterance_id":3619,"speaker_name":69,"text":3620,"start_s":3621,"end_s":3622,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},596,"214398","No, I'm just writing down all of your phrases here.",3382.26,3385.36,{"idx":3624,"utterance_id":3625,"speaker_name":69,"text":3626,"start_s":3627,"end_s":3628,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},597,"214399","If you read the whole sentence of what I said, you would realize that I said the following.",3385.38,3388.68,{"idx":3630,"utterance_id":3631,"speaker_name":69,"text":3632,"start_s":3633,"end_s":3634,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},598,"214400","You didn't say, \"they will have to swallow me.\"",3388.7,3389.86,{"idx":3636,"utterance_id":3637,"speaker_name":69,"text":3638,"start_s":3639,"end_s":3640,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},599,"214401","No, you'll understand what I said.",3389.88,3391.02,{"idx":3642,"utterance_id":3643,"speaker_name":69,"text":3644,"start_s":3645,"end_s":3646,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},600,"214402","Let me explain, because otherwise you take one word from a sentence or from a half-hour speech, and it's difficult.",3391.48,3397.52,{"idx":3648,"utterance_id":3649,"speaker_name":69,"text":3650,"start_s":3651,"end_s":3652,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},601,"214403","This speech was made in Garanhuns, on the occasion of the inauguration of the Federal University of Garanhuns.",3397.94,3404.42,{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":69,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},602,"214404","And also for the launch of Pronaf, in which I said the following: I doubt that anyone has ever heard me say that I am a candidate.",3405.16,3415,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":69,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},603,"214405","Not even to my wife.",3416.1,3417.12,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":69,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},604,"214406","I never said it.",3417.18,3417.86,{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":69,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},605,"214407","However... If I decide to be a candidate, they will have to immolate me.",3418.86,3424.34,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":69,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},606,"214408","That's why I said: my adversaries.",3424.66,3426.7,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":69,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},607,"214409","President, a whole sentence that you said, President, a whole sentence that you said.",3429.16,3432.26,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":69,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},608,"214410","We aired that on Jornal da Cultura, our daily program.",3432.78,3436.02,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":69,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},609,"214411","You making a harsh criticism of the press.",3436.46,3438.18,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":69,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},610,"214412","You are now talking about Bolsa Família, about Primeiro Emprego, etc.",3438.22,3441.56,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":69,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},611,"214413","As if we had not acted in an even-handed way in our reporting.",3442.02,3447.78,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":69,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},612,"214414","the advances and achievements that you have presented, that you have achieved.",3448.54,3452.42,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":69,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},613,"214415","I would like you to tell us the following: do you think the press is lynching your government?",3452.78,3457.32,{"idx":3726,"utterance_id":3727,"speaker_name":69,"text":3728,"start_s":3729,"end_s":3730,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},614,"214416","Do you think the press is only publishing things contrary to your government?",3457.58,3461.28,{"idx":3732,"utterance_id":3733,"speaker_name":69,"text":3734,"start_s":3735,"end_s":3736,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},615,"214417","Do you think that we, instead of talking about the economy and interest rates, are only talking here about a political crisis?",3461.3,3464.94,{"idx":3738,"utterance_id":3739,"speaker_name":69,"text":3740,"start_s":3741,"end_s":3742,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},616,"214418","That we get to a point and then return to the political crisis again?",3465.14,3467.2,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":69,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},617,"214419","Is that your assessment?",3467.66,3468.72,{"idx":3750,"utterance_id":3751,"speaker_name":69,"text":3752,"start_s":3753,"end_s":3754,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},618,"214420","No.",3468.96,3469.16,{"idx":3756,"utterance_id":3757,"speaker_name":69,"text":3758,"start_s":3759,"end_s":3760,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},619,"214421","I think the press publishes what the newspaper owner and the editor-in-chief understand should be published.",3470.82,3477.78,{"idx":3762,"utterance_id":3763,"speaker_name":69,"text":3764,"start_s":3765,"end_s":3766,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},620,"214422","I think there are things that should receive more prominence that do not.",3479.24,3482.24,{"idx":3768,"utterance_id":3769,"speaker_name":69,"text":3770,"start_s":3771,"end_s":3772,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},621,"214423","I'll give a small example; I was outraged.",3482.8,3486.2,{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":69,"text":3776,"start_s":3777,"end_s":3778,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},622,"214424","Our Minister of Education went to Rio de Janeiro to do the launch.",3488.1,3492.2,{"idx":3780,"utterance_id":3781,"speaker_name":69,"text":3782,"start_s":3783,"end_s":3784,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},623,"214425","For the first time in Brazil's history, we produced Braille books for primary education.",3492.96,3499.48,{"idx":3786,"utterance_id":3787,"speaker_name":69,"text":3788,"start_s":3789,"end_s":3790,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},624,"214426","He went to do the launch.",3500.98,3501.96,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3792,"speaker_name":69,"text":3793,"start_s":3794,"end_s":3795,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},"214427","Imagine my surprise?",3502.96,3504.28,{"idx":3797,"utterance_id":3798,"speaker_name":69,"text":3799,"start_s":3800,"end_s":3801,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},626,"214428","that there were even television stars because of the soap opera.",3504.36,3508.76,{"idx":3803,"utterance_id":3804,"speaker_name":69,"text":3805,"start_s":3806,"end_s":3807,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},627,"214429","To my surprise, there wasn't a single note in any newspaper.",3509.46,3513,{"idx":3809,"utterance_id":3810,"speaker_name":69,"text":3811,"start_s":3812,"end_s":3813,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},628,"214430","Which is an unusual event: launching Braille books for Brazilian students.",3513.86,3519.88,{"idx":3815,"utterance_id":3816,"speaker_name":69,"text":3817,"start_s":3818,"end_s":3819,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},629,"214431","So do you have a complaint against the press?",3519.9,3521.2,{"idx":3821,"utterance_id":3822,"speaker_name":69,"text":3823,"start_s":3824,"end_s":3825,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},630,"214432","Look, possibly many, but there is one thing that I am obliged to recognize.",3521.22,3526.56,{"idx":3827,"utterance_id":3828,"speaker_name":69,"text":3829,"start_s":3830,"end_s":3831,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},631,"214433","First, we would not have democracy if it were not for the press, with its virtues and flaws.",3527.78,3533.36,{"idx":3833,"utterance_id":3834,"speaker_name":69,"text":3835,"start_s":3836,"end_s":3837,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},632,"214434","Second, I would not be President of the Republic if it were not for the press, with its virtues.",3533.38,3538.84,{"idx":3839,"utterance_id":3840,"speaker_name":69,"text":3841,"start_s":3842,"end_s":3843,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},633,"214435","And with its flaws.",3539.32,3540.1,{"idx":3845,"utterance_id":3846,"speaker_name":69,"text":3847,"start_s":3848,"end_s":3849,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},634,"214436","Second, that we would not have a nation with institutions so consolidated if it were not for the press.",3540.86,3548.18,{"idx":3851,"utterance_id":3852,"speaker_name":69,"text":3853,"start_s":3854,"end_s":3855,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},635,"214437","But is this press treating your government well?",3548.2,3550.56,{"idx":3857,"utterance_id":3858,"speaker_name":69,"text":3859,"start_s":3860,"end_s":3861,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},636,"214438","I don't pass judgment.",3550.74,3551.82,{"idx":3863,"utterance_id":3864,"speaker_name":69,"text":3865,"start_s":3866,"end_s":3867,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},637,"214439","But you criticized from the platform.",3551.84,3553.22,{"idx":3869,"utterance_id":3870,"speaker_name":69,"text":3871,"start_s":3872,"end_s":3873,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},638,"214440","I do criticize.",3553.24,3554.06,{"idx":3875,"utterance_id":3876,"speaker_name":69,"text":3877,"start_s":3878,"end_s":3879,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},639,"214441","You made criticisms in public.",3554.08,3555.18,{"idx":3881,"utterance_id":3882,"speaker_name":69,"text":3883,"start_s":3884,"end_s":3885,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},640,"214442","Whenever I have felt wronged, I have the right to criticize.",3555.28,3559.92,{"idx":3887,"utterance_id":3888,"speaker_name":69,"text":3889,"start_s":3890,"end_s":3891,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},641,"214443","Just as the press has the right to publish criticisms of me.",3560.5,3563.06,{"idx":3893,"utterance_id":3894,"speaker_name":69,"text":3895,"start_s":3896,"end_s":3897,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},642,"214444","That is democracy.",3563.44,3564.2,{"idx":3899,"utterance_id":3900,"speaker_name":69,"text":3901,"start_s":3902,"end_s":3903,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},643,"214445","How do you assess the coverage the press has given to the crisis?",3564.22,3568.76,{"idx":3905,"utterance_id":3906,"speaker_name":69,"text":3907,"start_s":3908,"end_s":3909,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},644,"214446","I don't argue the coverage because we are talking on this program, you warning me that I have treated the press poorly.",3568.8,3575.34,{"idx":3911,"utterance_id":3912,"speaker_name":69,"text":3913,"start_s":3914,"end_s":3915,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},645,"214447","Perhaps that may be reciprocity.",3576,3579.14,{"idx":3917,"utterance_id":3918,"speaker_name":69,"text":3919,"start_s":3920,"end_s":3921,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},646,"214448","But in any case, I think the press — and I'll repeat this to say the following — I think all of us who are in government, and when I was in the PT, and when I was in the CUT, and when I was in the union, there isn't a single politician who doesn't complain about the press.",3579.64,3595.94,{"idx":3923,"utterance_id":3924,"speaker_name":69,"text":3925,"start_s":3926,"end_s":3927,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},647,"214449","And what is the press's excuse?",3596.1,3597.4,{"idx":3929,"utterance_id":3930,"speaker_name":69,"text":3931,"start_s":3932,"end_s":3933,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},648,"214450","When you were in opposition, you complained that there was no space for the opposition.",3598.38,3602.1,{"idx":3935,"utterance_id":3936,"speaker_name":69,"text":3937,"start_s":3938,"end_s":3939,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},649,"214451","Then the journalist would say, but those in government also complain that they don't get coverage.",3602.7,3607.4,{"idx":3941,"utterance_id":3942,"speaker_name":69,"text":3943,"start_s":3944,"end_s":3945,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},650,"214452","Deep down, everyone has a love-hate relationship with the press.",3607.72,3611.8,{"idx":3947,"utterance_id":3948,"speaker_name":69,"text":3949,"start_s":3950,"end_s":3951,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},651,"214453","Love when positive stories come out and hate when negative ones do.",3613.1,3616.24,{"idx":3953,"utterance_id":3954,"speaker_name":69,"text":3955,"start_s":3956,"end_s":3957,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},652,"214454","I, as I learned to live most of my time without the press speaking well of me.",3616.26,3621.84,{"idx":3959,"utterance_id":3960,"speaker_name":69,"text":3961,"start_s":3962,"end_s":3963,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},653,"214455","As everyone knows, at the beginning of the union it wasn't easy; not all newspapers covered union activity.",3623.4,3631.06,{"idx":3965,"utterance_id":3966,"speaker_name":69,"text":3967,"start_s":3968,"end_s":3969,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},654,"214456","I learned to live with the press as it is.",3631.52,3634.64,{"idx":3971,"utterance_id":3972,"speaker_name":69,"text":3973,"start_s":3974,"end_s":3975,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},655,"214457","And I selected some questions here, Mr. President.",3635.24,3637.84,{"idx":3977,"utterance_id":3978,"speaker_name":69,"text":3979,"start_s":3980,"end_s":3981,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},656,"214458","The first one, Hélio Boccato, from São Paulo, 50 years old, asks the following.",3637.86,3642.68,{"idx":3983,"utterance_id":3984,"speaker_name":69,"text":3985,"start_s":3986,"end_s":3987,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},657,"214459","Special attention was promised to our forests and rivers, but we see their total devastation.",3642.7,3649.08,{"idx":3989,"utterance_id":3990,"speaker_name":69,"text":3991,"start_s":3992,"end_s":3993,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},658,"214460","What measures do you intend to take to reverse this picture in the short, medium and long term?",3649.1,3653.3,{"idx":3995,"utterance_id":3996,"speaker_name":69,"text":3997,"start_s":3998,"end_s":3999,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},659,"214461","Measures have already been taken, Marcon.",3653.62,3657.3,{"idx":4001,"utterance_id":4002,"speaker_name":69,"text":4003,"start_s":4004,"end_s":4005,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},660,"214462","Look, Minister Marina, first of all, I think there is no one in Brazil not only as competent but as committed to environmental issues as comrade Marina.",3657.86,3668.26,{"idx":4007,"utterance_id":4008,"speaker_name":69,"text":4009,"start_s":4010,"end_s":4011,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},661,"214463","The thing is you had the entire Ministry of the Environment, but IBAMA was totally deactivated.",3668.98,3674.22,{"idx":4013,"utterance_id":4014,"speaker_name":69,"text":4015,"start_s":4016,"end_s":4017,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},662,"214464","Not long ago, a few weeks, a friend of mine went to a national park there and found only one person with a car to look after a park of hundreds of hectares.",3675.5,3687.64,{"idx":4019,"utterance_id":4020,"speaker_name":69,"text":4021,"start_s":4022,"end_s":4023,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},663,"214465","We are opening public tenders to hire more staff for IBAMA, for the Ministry of the Environment.",3688.62,3694.12,{"idx":4025,"utterance_id":4026,"speaker_name":69,"text":4027,"start_s":4028,"end_s":4029,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},664,"214466","We are equipping the Ministry so it can better oversee our forests.",3694.52,3699.5,{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":69,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},665,"214467","And we had a 40% reduction in fires this year.",3700.06,3704.08,{"idx":4037,"utterance_id":4038,"speaker_name":69,"text":4039,"start_s":4040,"end_s":4041,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},666,"214468","And these things, you know, in a country the size of Brazil, it takes some time to structure.",3704.78,3709.62,{"idx":4043,"utterance_id":4044,"speaker_name":69,"text":4045,"start_s":4046,"end_s":4047,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},667,"214469","But be certain that we are committed to the maintenance of our forest.",3710.28,3714.28,{"idx":4049,"utterance_id":4050,"speaker_name":69,"text":4051,"start_s":4052,"end_s":4053,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},668,"214470","Do you think this is an area in which the government can be proud, is it this environmental area?",3714.3,3718.74,{"idx":4055,"utterance_id":4056,"speaker_name":69,"text":4057,"start_s":4058,"end_s":4059,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},669,"214471","I wouldn't say the government can be proud, because there is still much to do.",3718.76,3722.38,{"idx":4061,"utterance_id":4062,"speaker_name":69,"text":4063,"start_s":4064,"end_s":4065,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},670,"214472","But I would say it is an area in which the government has not only the minister but the minister's team — people from society — highly committed to good policy.",3723,3733.24,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4067,"speaker_name":69,"text":4068,"start_s":4069,"end_s":4070,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},"214473","Look, when we took the initiative to revitalize the São Francisco River, which was the transposition to bring water to the semi-arid Northeast, what was the first step we took?",3733.68,3744.38,{"idx":4072,"utterance_id":4073,"speaker_name":69,"text":4074,"start_s":4075,"end_s":4076,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},672,"214474","We took on a project that dated back to the time of Dom Pedro, back to 1946.",3745.64,3751.7,{"idx":4078,"utterance_id":4079,"speaker_name":69,"text":4080,"start_s":4081,"end_s":4082,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},673,"214475","Then it passed through several governments, through the Fernando Henrique Cardoso government; then my vice took care of the first stage, then Minister Ciro is taking care of the second, we held 27 public hearings, we assumed the commitment.",3752.04,3767.8,{"idx":4084,"utterance_id":4085,"speaker_name":69,"text":4086,"start_s":4087,"end_s":4088,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},674,"214476","to revitalize first the riverbanks, to implement sanitation in the towns along those rivers.",3768.36,3776.12,{"idx":4090,"utterance_id":4091,"speaker_name":69,"text":4092,"start_s":4093,"end_s":4094,"word_count":326,"indexable":74},675,"214477","We are working to approve a project in the National Congress that guarantees a constitutional amendment that secures 0.3% or 0.5% of the budget so that we commit to the revitalization of the São Francisco River, which would amount to something like 300 million per year.",3776.86,3796.3,{"idx":4096,"utterance_id":4097,"speaker_name":69,"text":4098,"start_s":4099,"end_s":4100,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},676,"214478","Because we believe that for the São Francisco River to be able to provide water to people who don't have access to it, we must guarantee its survival.",3797.28,3807.26,{"idx":4102,"utterance_id":4103,"speaker_name":69,"text":4104,"start_s":4105,"end_s":4106,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},677,"214479","And its survival depends on recovering its tributaries, restoring riparian forests and ensuring that no more sewage is dumped into the São Francisco River.",3807.64,3817.32,{"idx":4108,"utterance_id":4109,"speaker_name":69,"text":4110,"start_s":4111,"end_s":4112,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},678,"214480","Not forgetting to check with Bisco.",3817.48,3819.16,{"idx":4114,"utterance_id":4115,"speaker_name":69,"text":4116,"start_s":4117,"end_s":4118,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},679,"214481","In a country of 180 million inhabitants, you cannot allow someone to stage a protest or something similar.",3821.4,3830.04,{"idx":4120,"utterance_id":4121,"speaker_name":69,"text":4122,"start_s":4123,"end_s":4124,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},680,"214482","That protest prevented the continuation of the works.",3830.6,3834.14,{"idx":4126,"utterance_id":4127,"speaker_name":69,"text":4128,"start_s":4129,"end_s":4130,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},681,"214483","The work wasn't about to start.",3834.88,3836.44,{"idx":4132,"utterance_id":4133,"speaker_name":69,"text":4134,"start_s":4135,"end_s":4136,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},682,"214484","The work wasn't going to start because the prior licensing was still missing.",3836.46,3840.74,{"idx":4138,"utterance_id":4139,"speaker_name":69,"text":4140,"start_s":4141,"end_s":4142,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},683,"214485","We don't have one bishop, we have dozens of bishops who wrote statements, you know, condemning the behavior of the bishop who went on strike.",3841.54,3849.46,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4144,"speaker_name":69,"text":4145,"start_s":4146,"end_s":4147,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},"214486","What we think is the following: it will not be for lack of debate.",3849.96,3853.06,{"idx":4149,"utterance_id":4150,"speaker_name":69,"text":4151,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4153,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},685,"214487","If there's one thing we are not worried about, it's holding as many debates as are necessary so we can carry out the project.",3853.08,3859.78,{"idx":4155,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":69,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},686,"214488","Besides, not every Brazilian knows what it means for a mother to carry a pot of water on her head for nine, ten kilometers every day.",3860.16,3869.68,{"idx":4161,"utterance_id":4162,"speaker_name":69,"text":4163,"start_s":4164,"end_s":4165,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},687,"214489","People don't know what it means for a mother to stand with a water can waiting for a water truck that sometimes doesn't come.",3870.58,3877.16,{"idx":4167,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":69,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},688,"214490","So when we are bringing the water, it's because we want to bring drinking water to 12 million Brazilians who live in the driest region of the country, the poorest region of the country, the region that rains the least in the country.",3878.08,3892.42,{"idx":4173,"utterance_id":4174,"speaker_name":69,"text":4175,"start_s":4176,"end_s":4177,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},689,"214491","We want to bring that water for people to drink.",3892.72,3894.76,{"idx":4179,"utterance_id":4180,"speaker_name":69,"text":4181,"start_s":4182,"end_s":4183,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},690,"214492","And we will bring it.",3894.78,3895.66,{"idx":4185,"utterance_id":4186,"speaker_name":69,"text":4187,"start_s":4188,"end_s":4189,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},691,"214493","It will not be for lack of debate.",3896.12,3897.44,{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":69,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},692,"214494","And see that I never, ever promised during the campaign to do this.",3897.46,3901.26,{"idx":4197,"utterance_id":4198,"speaker_name":69,"text":4199,"start_s":4200,"end_s":4201,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},693,"214495","I do this out of necessity.",3901.96,3903.4,{"idx":4203,"utterance_id":4204,"speaker_name":69,"text":4205,"start_s":4206,"end_s":4207,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},694,"214496","We are taking only 1% of the São Francisco River's water to divert.",3903.88,3908.8,{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":69,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},695,"214497","We expropriated 2.5 km of the canal's bank so that we can allow settlements nearby.",3909.22,3918.92,{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":69,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},696,"214498","And we will do it; if it doesn't start now, it will start next month or next year — we will start.",3919.3,3924.16,{"idx":4221,"utterance_id":4222,"speaker_name":69,"text":4223,"start_s":4224,"end_s":4225,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},697,"214499","And it will be done because Brazil needs to bring water",3924.62,3927.28,{"idx":4227,"utterance_id":4228,"speaker_name":69,"text":4229,"start_s":4230,"end_s":4231,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},698,"214500","to those people who do not have water to drink.",3927.66,3929.82,{"idx":4233,"utterance_id":4234,"speaker_name":69,"text":4235,"start_s":4236,"end_s":4237,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},699,"214501","Mr. President, you are reiterating your commitment to the poor people of the Northeast.",3930.04,3932.96,{"idx":4239,"utterance_id":4240,"speaker_name":69,"text":4241,"start_s":4242,"end_s":4243,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},700,"214502","I wanted to talk a little about AIDS and wanted to know your real commitment to maintaining the Brazilian Program to Combat AIDS.",3932.98,3938.98,{"idx":4245,"utterance_id":4246,"speaker_name":69,"text":4247,"start_s":4248,"end_s":4249,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},701,"214503","The government declared the drug Kaletra to be of public utility.",3939.26,3942.9,{"idx":4251,"utterance_id":4252,"speaker_name":69,"text":4253,"start_s":4254,"end_s":4255,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},702,"214504","There was an indication that Kaletra would be subject to compulsory licensing.",3943.32,3947.52,{"idx":4257,"utterance_id":4258,"speaker_name":69,"text":4259,"start_s":4260,"end_s":4261,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},703,"214505","And the government ended up, in the activists' assessment, backing down.",3947.92,3952.04,{"idx":4263,"utterance_id":4264,"speaker_name":69,"text":4265,"start_s":4266,"end_s":4267,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},704,"214506","The activists said exactly the following, that it was a conservative and short-sighted decision.",3952.06,3956.78,{"idx":4269,"utterance_id":4270,"speaker_name":69,"text":4271,"start_s":4272,"end_s":4273,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},705,"214507","and that the Brazilian government gave up national sovereignty and kissed the feet of the laboratories by making the agreement it made with Abbott.",3957.16,3964.26,{"idx":4275,"utterance_id":4276,"speaker_name":69,"text":4277,"start_s":4278,"end_s":4279,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},706,"214508","Brazil was paying 1.17, the agreement came to pay 0.63 and according to information from the Ministry of Health itself, the official labs could manufacture Kaletra at 0.41 cents of a dollar.",3964.56,3975.96,{"idx":4281,"utterance_id":4282,"speaker_name":69,"text":4283,"start_s":4284,"end_s":4285,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},707,"214509","So, wasn't that a good deal for Brazil and won't the maintenance of the program be threatened like that?",3976.02,3980.38,{"idx":4287,"utterance_id":4288,"speaker_name":69,"text":4289,"start_s":4290,"end_s":4291,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},708,"214510","I don't know who gave that information to those activists who spoke so harshly.",3980.5,3984.48,{"idx":4293,"utterance_id":4294,"speaker_name":69,"text":4295,"start_s":4296,"end_s":4297,"word_count":403,"indexable":74},709,"214511","What I am aware of, from information from the health minister, is that when we made the decision to enter into the process of producing the drug here, complying even with the entire procedure set out in the World Trade Organization, the price the company offered us was cheaper than the price of producing it here.",3985.46,4011.42,{"idx":4299,"utterance_id":4300,"speaker_name":69,"text":4301,"start_s":4302,"end_s":4303,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},710,"214512","First.",4011.94,4012.36,{"idx":4305,"utterance_id":4306,"speaker_name":69,"text":4307,"start_s":4308,"end_s":4309,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},711,"214513","Information I have from Minister Sareva Felipe.",4012.8,4015.08,{"idx":4311,"utterance_id":4312,"speaker_name":69,"text":4313,"start_s":4314,"end_s":4315,"word_count":462,"indexable":74},712,"214514","The second thing is that we are willing, together with other countries that suffer the same problem, to build not one, but several production centers for this drug, even if we have to break a patent law, because we cannot allow Brazilian health and a human being's health to be tied to the profit interests of a company.",4015.6,4043.32,{"idx":4317,"utterance_id":4318,"speaker_name":69,"text":4319,"start_s":4320,"end_s":4321,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},713,"214515","Now, as a country that participates in multilateral institutions, we have to respect some rules and try to break them, convincing other countries to join us in doing so, because Brazil has commitments not only to the Brazilian people.",4043.74,4058.8,{"idx":4323,"utterance_id":4324,"speaker_name":69,"text":4325,"start_s":4326,"end_s":4327,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},714,"214516","We also have a commitment to help countries poorer than Brazil that need this medicine.",4059.4,4066.32,{"idx":4329,"utterance_id":4330,"speaker_name":69,"text":4331,"start_s":4332,"end_s":4333,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},715,"214517","We are discussing this also with rich countries so that they begin to realize we cannot allow humanity to be a victim of a laboratory's profit-driven interests.",4066.68,4078.46,{"idx":4335,"utterance_id":4336,"speaker_name":69,"text":4337,"start_s":4338,"end_s":4339,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},716,"214518","Therefore, every country that can produce it certainly — we are at a more advanced stage.",4079,4084.48,{"idx":4341,"utterance_id":4342,"speaker_name":69,"text":4343,"start_s":4344,"end_s":4345,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},717,"214519","We will begin to produce.",4084.9,4086,{"idx":4347,"utterance_id":4348,"speaker_name":69,"text":4349,"start_s":4350,"end_s":4351,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},718,"214520","Mr. President, is it a fact that you don't like to work?",4086.04,4088.82,{"idx":4353,"utterance_id":4354,"speaker_name":69,"text":4355,"start_s":4356,"end_s":4357,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},719,"214521","And is that the reason you travel so much?",4089.98,4091.7,{"idx":4359,"utterance_id":4360,"speaker_name":69,"text":4361,"start_s":4362,"end_s":4363,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},720,"214522","Do you know that I miss it?",4092.52,4095.36,{"idx":4365,"utterance_id":4366,"speaker_name":69,"text":4367,"start_s":4368,"end_s":4369,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},721,"214523","Have you heard that?",4095.38,4096.1,{"idx":4371,"utterance_id":4372,"speaker_name":69,"text":4373,"start_s":4374,"end_s":4375,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},722,"214524","Yes.",4096.4,4096.5,{"idx":4377,"utterance_id":4378,"speaker_name":69,"text":4379,"start_s":4380,"end_s":4381,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},723,"214525","I had never flown before becoming a union leader.",4098.26,4102.26,{"idx":4383,"utterance_id":4384,"speaker_name":69,"text":4385,"start_s":4386,"end_s":4387,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},724,"214526","And my enemies already said that I traveled first class.",4102.86,4105.1,{"idx":4389,"utterance_id":4390,"speaker_name":69,"text":4391,"start_s":4392,"end_s":4393,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},725,"214527","So, nonsense.",4106.64,4107.56,{"idx":4395,"utterance_id":4396,"speaker_name":69,"text":4397,"start_s":4398,"end_s":4399,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},726,"214528","Anyone can say whatever they want.",4107.7,4109.42,{"idx":4401,"utterance_id":4402,"speaker_name":69,"text":4403,"start_s":4404,"end_s":4405,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},727,"214529","I spent 22 years inside a factory.",4109.56,4113.02,{"idx":4407,"utterance_id":4408,"speaker_name":69,"text":4409,"start_s":4410,"end_s":4411,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},728,"214530","I worked three and a half years at night, I worked from six to two, from two to ten, from ten to ten in the morning, I worked five hours on Saturdays and I have never worked as much as I work in the Presidency of the Republic.",4113.9,4125.5,{"idx":4413,"utterance_id":4414,"speaker_name":69,"text":2136,"start_s":4415,"end_s":4416,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},729,"214531",4125.68,4125.92,{"idx":4418,"utterance_id":4419,"speaker_name":69,"text":4420,"start_s":4421,"end_s":4422,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},730,"214532","Never in my life did I think I would work so much, because I knew there were presidents who left for home at six in the afternoon, I knew of presidents who came to work after lunch, you know?",4126.48,4137.1,{"idx":4424,"utterance_id":4425,"speaker_name":69,"text":4426,"start_s":4427,"end_s":4428,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},731,"214533","Now, only someone irresponsible.",4137.66,4142.1,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":4430,"speaker_name":69,"text":4431,"start_s":4432,"end_s":4433,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},"214534","Only someone who doesn't know what a president's trip is can say that a president doesn't work when he travels.",4142.98,4150,{"idx":4435,"utterance_id":4436,"speaker_name":69,"text":4437,"start_s":4438,"end_s":4439,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},733,"214535","Moreover, the press that travels with me can bear witness to my international agenda.",4150.44,4155.66,{"idx":4441,"utterance_id":4442,"speaker_name":69,"text":4443,"start_s":4444,"end_s":4445,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},734,"214536","Do you think these trips are positive?",4155.68,4158.74,{"idx":4447,"utterance_id":4448,"speaker_name":69,"text":4449,"start_s":4450,"end_s":4451,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},735,"214537","These trips yield more than results.",4159.64,4161.9,{"idx":4453,"utterance_id":4454,"speaker_name":69,"text":4455,"start_s":4456,"end_s":4457,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},736,"214538","Just look at Brazil's trade balance.",4161.94,4164.76,{"idx":4459,"utterance_id":4460,"speaker_name":69,"text":4461,"start_s":4462,"end_s":4463,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},737,"214539","Just look at it.",4165.52,4166.34,{"idx":4465,"utterance_id":4466,"speaker_name":69,"text":4467,"start_s":4468,"end_s":4469,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},738,"214540","Our trade with South America grew 83%.",4166.74,4169.84,{"idx":4471,"utterance_id":4472,"speaker_name":69,"text":4473,"start_s":4474,"end_s":4475,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},739,"214541","And it's going to grow more, because we are working on a process of integration.",4172.94,4176.42,{"idx":4477,"utterance_id":4478,"speaker_name":69,"text":4479,"start_s":4480,"end_s":4481,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},740,"214542","There's no point in us talking about integration in rhetoric and not having roads, not having bridges, not having railways, not having waterways, not having telecommunications, not having airports.",4177,4187.02,{"idx":4483,"utterance_id":4484,"speaker_name":69,"text":4485,"start_s":4486,"end_s":4487,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},741,"214543","Sometimes someone who lives in Ecuador, in order to come to Brazil, has to go via Miami.",4187.4,4190.66,{"idx":4489,"utterance_id":4490,"speaker_name":69,"text":4491,"start_s":4492,"end_s":4493,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},742,"214544","Well, if he wanted to come to do business in Brazil and has to go to Miami, he already does business in Miami.",4191.06,4194.96,{"idx":4495,"utterance_id":4496,"speaker_name":69,"text":4497,"start_s":4498,"end_s":4499,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},743,"214545","We have several African countries.",4195.58,4197.66,{"idx":4501,"utterance_id":4502,"speaker_name":69,"text":4503,"start_s":4504,"end_s":4505,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},744,"214546","And from the Middle East that do not have direct flights to Brazil.",4198.34,4200.96,{"idx":4507,"utterance_id":4508,"speaker_name":69,"text":4509,"start_s":4510,"end_s":4511,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},745,"214547","We need to create the conditions so that there are direct flights from the majority of those countries to Brazil.",4201.46,4207.24,{"idx":4513,"utterance_id":4514,"speaker_name":69,"text":4515,"start_s":4516,"end_s":4517,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},746,"214548","I give the example of our growth with Africa, of our growth with the Middle East, of our growth with the Asian countries.",4208.04,4216.82,{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":69,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},747,"214549","We went from a trade balance of 60 billion to reaching 114 by September this year.",4218.06,4225.42,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":69,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":326,"indexable":74},748,"214550","We went from a surplus of R$13 billion in 2002, because we had reduced imports in 2011; therefore, if we had not reduced imports, it would have been only R$2 billion of trade surplus, to a surplus of R$41 billion dollars this year.",4228.96,4250.16,{"idx":4531,"utterance_id":4532,"speaker_name":69,"text":4533,"start_s":4534,"end_s":4535,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},749,"214551","So I think these trips are extremely... I'm going to touch on a subject here that I thought you were going to touch on.",4250.22,4256.84,{"idx":4537,"utterance_id":4538,"speaker_name":69,"text":4539,"start_s":4540,"end_s":4541,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},750,"214552","When I bought a plane for this country, you know, there was no shortage of people's hypocrisy and cynicism.",4257.46,4264.82,{"idx":4543,"utterance_id":4544,"speaker_name":69,"text":4545,"start_s":4546,"end_s":4547,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},751,"214553","That you have to be responsible.",4265.42,4267.1,{"idx":712,"utterance_id":4549,"speaker_name":69,"text":4550,"start_s":4551,"end_s":4552,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},"214554","Ah, Lula's plane — the plane is not mine; the plane belongs to the institution called the Presidency of the Republic.",4267.56,4273.22,{"idx":4554,"utterance_id":4555,"speaker_name":69,"text":4556,"start_s":4557,"end_s":4558,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},753,"214555","That if in a year it is no longer me, whoever comes will have a decent plane to travel in.",4273.6,4278.32,{"idx":4560,"utterance_id":4561,"speaker_name":69,"text":4562,"start_s":4563,"end_s":4564,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},754,"214556","What can't happen is for Brazil to keep a junker that no longer flew.",4278.78,4282.2,{"idx":4566,"utterance_id":4567,"speaker_name":69,"text":4568,"start_s":4569,"end_s":4570,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},755,"214557","It is well remembered that when Marco Maciel made the trip when the engine failed, he went into hiding.",4283.1,4289.04,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4572,"speaker_name":69,"text":4573,"start_s":4574,"end_s":4575,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},"214558","A plane that couldn't land at the majority of airports because it had been altered.",4289.34,4293.24,{"idx":4577,"utterance_id":4578,"speaker_name":69,"text":4579,"start_s":4580,"end_s":4581,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},757,"214559","And so the president of the republic began to hire planes in order to be able to travel.",4294.64,4298.68,{"idx":4583,"utterance_id":4584,"speaker_name":69,"text":4585,"start_s":4586,"end_s":4587,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},758,"214560","This country must be respected.",4299.14,4301.4,{"idx":4589,"utterance_id":4590,"speaker_name":69,"text":4591,"start_s":4592,"end_s":4593,"word_count":362,"indexable":74},759,"214561","I hope that Bush's visit here has given a bit of sense to the hypocrites who made the criticisms, so they can clearly perceive the following: this country, the president of the republic of this country, he is not a man, he is an institution while he holds the mandate.",4302.3,4319.54,{"idx":4595,"utterance_id":4596,"speaker_name":69,"text":4597,"start_s":4598,"end_s":4599,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},760,"214562","And a plane is the minimum that he can have to make the trips that he will make.",4320.14,4324.96,{"idx":4601,"utterance_id":4602,"speaker_name":69,"text":4603,"start_s":4604,"end_s":4605,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},761,"214563","A comfortable plane that doesn't make noise.",4325,4327.52,{"idx":4607,"utterance_id":4608,"speaker_name":69,"text":4609,"start_s":4610,"end_s":4611,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},762,"214564","I want to touch on this subject because from time to time patience runs out when you see someone say that the plane is Lula's.",4328.2,4335.82,{"idx":4613,"utterance_id":4614,"speaker_name":69,"text":4615,"start_s":4616,"end_s":4617,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},763,"214565","So does that mean that when my term ends I will take it home?",4336.2,4338.84,{"idx":4619,"utterance_id":4620,"speaker_name":69,"text":4621,"start_s":4622,"end_s":4623,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},764,"214566","Am I going to take it home?",4339.82,4341.22,{"idx":4625,"utterance_id":4626,"speaker_name":69,"text":4627,"start_s":4628,"end_s":4629,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},765,"214567","So let's stop with this hypocrisy.",4341.76,4343.52,{"idx":4631,"utterance_id":4632,"speaker_name":69,"text":4633,"start_s":4634,"end_s":4635,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},766,"214568","I'll tell you more about Brazil.",4343.88,4344.94,{"idx":4637,"utterance_id":4638,"speaker_name":69,"text":4639,"start_s":4640,"end_s":4641,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},767,"214569","I want to take advantage now.",4345.2,4346.12,{"idx":4643,"utterance_id":4644,"speaker_name":69,"text":4645,"start_s":4646,"end_s":4647,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},768,"214570","It's that you are not letting me ask a question.",4346.16,4348.58,{"idx":4649,"utterance_id":4650,"speaker_name":69,"text":4651,"start_s":4652,"end_s":4653,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},769,"214571","To say something important.",4348.98,4350.3,{"idx":4655,"utterance_id":4656,"speaker_name":69,"text":4657,"start_s":4658,"end_s":4659,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},770,"214572","There were governments that tried to renovate the Palácio da Alvorada.",4351.2,4354.04,{"idx":4661,"utterance_id":4662,"speaker_name":69,"text":4663,"start_s":4664,"end_s":4665,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},771,"214573","There were strong criticisms; they shrank back from renovating.",4354.96,4357.98,{"idx":4667,"utterance_id":4668,"speaker_name":69,"text":4669,"start_s":4670,"end_s":4671,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},772,"214574","When I arrived at the Palácio da Alvorada, you know, there were hydroelectric problems from work done in 1958; there were problems with the water in the plumbing.",4358.42,4366.16,{"idx":4673,"utterance_id":4674,"speaker_name":69,"text":4675,"start_s":4676,"end_s":4677,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},773,"214575","So, to avoid people saying the government was spending money, I gathered all the business entities and I said, there's a project that was made by the Fundação do Banco do Brasil that costs 16 million, you know?",4366.72,4381.64,{"idx":4679,"utterance_id":4680,"speaker_name":69,"text":4681,"start_s":4682,"end_s":4683,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},774,"214576","I asked that you donate it to the public heritage.",4381.76,4384.56,{"idx":4685,"utterance_id":4686,"speaker_name":69,"text":4687,"start_s":4688,"end_s":4689,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},775,"214577","It's being done there now.",4385.08,4386.16,{"idx":4691,"utterance_id":4692,"speaker_name":69,"text":4693,"start_s":4694,"end_s":4695,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},776,"214578","Now, you know what I find funny, Marcum?",4386.62,4388.2,{"idx":4697,"utterance_id":4698,"speaker_name":69,"text":4699,"start_s":4700,"end_s":4701,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},777,"214579","It's that, from time to time, I see people travel the world, go to those fantastic castles, those palaces, and say what a wonderful thing, what a fantastic thing, you know?",4388.62,4399.72,{"idx":4703,"utterance_id":4704,"speaker_name":69,"text":4705,"start_s":4706,"end_s":4707,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},778,"214580","And why is that beautiful?",4399.86,4401,{"idx":4709,"utterance_id":4710,"speaker_name":69,"text":4711,"start_s":4712,"end_s":4713,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},779,"214581","Because it is preserved.",4401.32,4403.24,{"idx":4715,"utterance_id":4716,"speaker_name":69,"text":4717,"start_s":4718,"end_s":4719,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},780,"214582","Because someone invested money to preserve it.",4403.8,4405.96,{"idx":4721,"utterance_id":4722,"speaker_name":69,"text":4723,"start_s":4724,"end_s":4725,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},781,"214583","And here in Brazil, once I was at the Museu do Ipiranga, before the campaign, and termites were eating the Museu do Ipiranga.",4406.36,4412.74,{"idx":4727,"utterance_id":4728,"speaker_name":69,"text":4729,"start_s":4730,"end_s":4731,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},782,"214584","And people think you can't spend money.",4413.12,4415,{"idx":4733,"utterance_id":4734,"speaker_name":69,"text":4735,"start_s":4736,"end_s":4737,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},783,"214585","The Palace cannot spend money.",4415.4,4417.04,{"idx":4739,"utterance_id":4740,"speaker_name":69,"text":4741,"start_s":4742,"end_s":4743,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},784,"214586","When, in fact, this here, the Palácio do Alvorada, is a heritage of humanity.",4417.76,4423.32,{"idx":4745,"utterance_id":4746,"speaker_name":69,"text":4747,"start_s":4748,"end_s":4749,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},785,"214587","This must be preserved.",4423.8,4425.06,{"idx":4751,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":69,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},786,"214588","And each president who comes here cannot think, I'm here only four years.",4425.44,4429.4,{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":69,"text":4759,"start_s":4760,"end_s":4761,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},787,"214589","He needs to do the good things during his four years, so that four, plus four, plus four, plus four, plus four will have turned into so many years that the palace is not deteriorated.",4429.8,4439.6,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4763,"speaker_name":69,"text":4764,"start_s":4765,"end_s":4766,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},"214590","So these things, at times, are tiring; at times, they disturb, because falsehoods that are incomprehensible are conveyed to society.",4440.16,4450.14,{"idx":4768,"utterance_id":4769,"speaker_name":69,"text":4770,"start_s":4771,"end_s":4772,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},789,"214591","Even in the private thoughts of those who make the accusation.",4450.92,4453.24,{"idx":4774,"utterance_id":4775,"speaker_name":69,"text":4776,"start_s":4777,"end_s":4778,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},790,"214592","I was startled when I saw the first criticism of the plane.",4454.8,4456.96,{"idx":4780,"utterance_id":4781,"speaker_name":69,"text":4782,"start_s":4783,"end_s":4784,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},791,"214593","Lula bought the plane for himself.",4458.82,4460.14,{"idx":4786,"utterance_id":4787,"speaker_name":69,"text":4788,"start_s":4789,"end_s":4790,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},792,"214594","The plane was for me.",4460.5,4461.32,{"idx":4792,"utterance_id":4793,"speaker_name":69,"text":4794,"start_s":4795,"end_s":4796,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},793,"214595","The plane, when I leave... On the day I leave the Presidency of the Republic, one minute later it's already another president flying.",4462.12,4469.2,{"idx":4798,"utterance_id":4799,"speaker_name":69,"text":4800,"start_s":4801,"end_s":4802,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},794,"214596","Unless he says, 'Well, the plane is Lula's, I'll give it as a gift to Lula.'",4469.24,4471.86,{"idx":4804,"utterance_id":4805,"speaker_name":69,"text":4806,"start_s":4807,"end_s":4808,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},795,"214597","Mr. President, I would like to take this chance and ask questions of you as well.",4471.88,4475.68,{"idx":4810,"utterance_id":4811,"speaker_name":69,"text":4812,"start_s":4813,"end_s":4814,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},796,"214598","I hope that you do not adopt the American president's apparatus, which in my view is exaggerated.",4475.98,4480.9,{"idx":4816,"utterance_id":4817,"speaker_name":69,"text":4818,"start_s":4819,"end_s":4820,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},797,"214599","I wanted to take advantage of the fact that you spoke of imports, exports and trips.",4480.92,4486.86,{"idx":4822,"utterance_id":4823,"speaker_name":69,"text":4824,"start_s":4825,"end_s":4826,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},798,"214600","So, I'm going to quote a sentence here and I hope to quote it in full.",4487.02,4489.52,{"idx":4828,"utterance_id":4829,"speaker_name":69,"text":4830,"start_s":4831,"end_s":4832,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},799,"214601","You said, on a recent trip to Europe, the following: 'when the Aftor program arose, that outbreak had already been eradicated.'",4490.36,4497.44,{"idx":4834,"utterance_id":4835,"speaker_name":69,"text":4836,"start_s":4837,"end_s":4838,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},800,"214602","We culled all the herds; we've already put in place all the border barriers where it was necessary to do so.",4498.16,4503.5,{"idx":4840,"utterance_id":4841,"speaker_name":69,"text":4842,"start_s":4843,"end_s":4844,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},801,"214603","I think we will show the world the government's effectiveness and action.",4504.14,4507.7,{"idx":4846,"utterance_id":4847,"speaker_name":69,"text":4848,"start_s":4849,"end_s":4850,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},802,"214604","On the same day, the Minister of Agriculture confirmed three new outbreaks in Mato Grosso do Sul.",4507.72,4512.52,{"idx":4852,"utterance_id":4853,"speaker_name":69,"text":4854,"start_s":4855,"end_s":4856,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},803,"214605","Don't you think this is a typical case of empty explanation?",4512.54,4516.24,{"idx":4858,"utterance_id":4859,"speaker_name":69,"text":3752,"start_s":4860,"end_s":4861,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},804,"214606",4516.78,4516.94,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":4863,"speaker_name":69,"text":716,"start_s":4864,"end_s":4865,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},"214607",4517.52,4517.84,{"idx":4867,"utterance_id":4868,"speaker_name":69,"text":4869,"start_s":4870,"end_s":4871,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},806,"214608","Not because I had received the information that the outbreak... No.",4518.08,4521.44,{"idx":4873,"utterance_id":4874,"speaker_name":69,"text":4875,"start_s":4876,"end_s":4877,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},807,"214609","I had received information that in the city that had the first outbreak it had been eradicated — they had culled the entire herd — and the government had committed to pay.",4522.1,4530.5,{"idx":4879,"utterance_id":4880,"speaker_name":69,"text":4881,"start_s":4882,"end_s":4883,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},808,"214610","Now, if today a new outbreak was found, we will take care of this new outbreak.",4530.96,4535.18,{"idx":4885,"utterance_id":4886,"speaker_name":69,"text":4887,"start_s":4888,"end_s":4889,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},809,"214611","The issue of foot-and-mouth disease...",4535.78,4536.96,{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":69,"text":4893,"start_s":4894,"end_s":4895,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},810,"214612","But they've already found it.",4537,4537.88,{"idx":4897,"utterance_id":4898,"speaker_name":69,"text":4899,"start_s":4900,"end_s":4901,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},811,"214613","The issue of foot-and-mouth disease has a serious problem which it is important for public opinion to know.",4537.9,4542.38,{"idx":4903,"utterance_id":4904,"speaker_name":69,"text":4905,"start_s":4906,"end_s":4907,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},812,"214614","First, the public needs to know, you know... Cattle infected with foot-and-mouth disease — the meat does not harm human beings.",4543.14,4551.22,{"idx":4909,"utterance_id":4910,"speaker_name":69,"text":4911,"start_s":4912,"end_s":4913,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},813,"214615","Yesterday I even joked with President Bush; he ate the meat from the state of Mato Grosso do Sul.",4551.94,4555.82,{"idx":4915,"utterance_id":4916,"speaker_name":69,"text":4917,"start_s":4918,"end_s":4919,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},814,"214616","And he found it wonderful.",4559.28,4560.24,{"idx":4921,"utterance_id":4922,"speaker_name":69,"text":4923,"start_s":4924,"end_s":4925,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},815,"214617","And I also found it wonderful.",4560.34,4561.22,{"idx":4927,"utterance_id":4928,"speaker_name":69,"text":4929,"start_s":4930,"end_s":4931,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},816,"214618","Didn't he make a sour face?",4561.44,4562.28,{"idx":4933,"utterance_id":4934,"speaker_name":69,"text":4935,"start_s":4936,"end_s":4937,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},817,"214619","Because it was good.",4562.32,4562.88,{"idx":4939,"utterance_id":4940,"speaker_name":69,"text":4941,"start_s":4942,"end_s":4943,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},818,"214620","So, look, Brazil today is the largest exporter of meat in the world.",4565.12,4572.08,{"idx":4945,"utterance_id":4946,"speaker_name":69,"text":4947,"start_s":4948,"end_s":4949,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},819,"214621","As you become the largest exporter of meat in the world, the responsibility of everyone increases immensely.",4573.62,4580.74,{"idx":4951,"utterance_id":4952,"speaker_name":69,"text":4953,"start_s":4954,"end_s":4955,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},820,"214622","It increases the responsibility of the livestock producer.",4581.6,4583.44,{"idx":4957,"utterance_id":4958,"speaker_name":69,"text":4959,"start_s":4960,"end_s":4961,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},821,"214623","Because if the producer vaccinated the cattle and there is an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease — Brazil has thousands of kilometers of dry border; there are people who have property in Brazil and in another country at the same time.",4584.16,4596.18,{"idx":4963,"utterance_id":4964,"speaker_name":69,"text":4965,"start_s":4966,"end_s":4967,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},822,"214624","If the citizen vaccinated, the government pays for the herd it has to cull.",4596.22,4603.18,{"idx":4969,"utterance_id":4970,"speaker_name":69,"text":4971,"start_s":4972,"end_s":4973,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},823,"214625","If the citizen didn't vaccinate... I already told Minister Roberto Rodrigues that we have to send a law to the Congresso Nacional.",4603.6,4609.38,{"idx":4975,"utterance_id":4976,"speaker_name":69,"text":4977,"start_s":4978,"end_s":4979,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},824,"214626","That the citizen who didn't vaccinate needs to spend some time being punished by not being able to access public financing, you know?",4609.4,4617.72,{"idx":4981,"utterance_id":4982,"speaker_name":69,"text":4983,"start_s":4984,"end_s":4985,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},825,"214627","So that he can take responsibility.",4617.76,4619.22,{"idx":4987,"utterance_id":4988,"speaker_name":69,"text":4989,"start_s":4990,"end_s":4991,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},826,"214628","Secondly, then you must have accountability from the owner, the slaughterhouse, the mayor, the governor, the president of the republic, you know?",4619.66,4627.98,{"idx":4993,"utterance_id":4994,"speaker_name":69,"text":4995,"start_s":4996,"end_s":4997,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},827,"214629","Brazilian society needs to bear in mind that meat is no longer just an internal matter.",4628.24,4634.32,{"idx":4999,"utterance_id":5000,"speaker_name":69,"text":5001,"start_s":5002,"end_s":5003,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},828,"214630","That Brazil today is a major exporter of meat.",4634.92,4639.96,{"idx":5005,"utterance_id":5006,"speaker_name":69,"text":5007,"start_s":5008,"end_s":5009,"word_count":630,"indexable":74},829,"214631","When President Putin was here in Brazil, and we had had an outbreak there in the Amazon, where it is not traditional to raise cattle, and Russia was creating a problem, I left that room, took President Putin and put him in front of a map of Brazil to show him the short distance between there — the end of Pará — and the meat export market, so that he could appreciate that if he had no problem buying meat from France when Belgium had an outbreak, he would have even less reason not to buy from Brazil.",4640.02,4676.38,{"idx":5011,"utterance_id":5012,"speaker_name":69,"text":5013,"start_s":5014,"end_s":5015,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},830,"214632","That happened; so, what are we going to do?",4676.98,4679.14,{"idx":5017,"utterance_id":5018,"speaker_name":69,"text":5019,"start_s":5020,"end_s":5021,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},831,"214633","I already proposed in Ouro Preto, at a meeting of all the presidents of South America, that Brazil has borders with ten South American countries.",4679.6,4688,{"idx":5023,"utterance_id":5024,"speaker_name":69,"text":5025,"start_s":5026,"end_s":5027,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},832,"214634","We only do not have borders with Ecuador and Chile.",4688.38,4690.66,{"idx":5029,"utterance_id":5030,"speaker_name":69,"text":5031,"start_s":5032,"end_s":5033,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},833,"214635","Therefore, our vigilance has to be vastly superior.",4691.24,4695.1,{"idx":5035,"utterance_id":5036,"speaker_name":69,"text":5037,"start_s":5038,"end_s":5039,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},834,"214636","And I proposed to the presidents that combating foot-and-mouth disease must now be a continental effort.",4695.5,4700.9,{"idx":5041,"utterance_id":5042,"speaker_name":69,"text":5043,"start_s":5044,"end_s":5045,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},835,"214637","Brazil needs to assume with the other presidents the responsibility that you cannot take care of only one backyard.",4701.6,4708.68,{"idx":5047,"utterance_id":5048,"speaker_name":69,"text":5049,"start_s":5050,"end_s":5051,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},836,"214638","You need to take care in all the territories of all the countries so that we can banish foot-and-mouth disease from our territory definitively.",4708.7,4718.08,{"idx":5053,"utterance_id":5054,"speaker_name":69,"text":5055,"start_s":5056,"end_s":5057,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},837,"214639","Mr. President, as... I have read in several places that this program had a series of things that could not be said, that there was a fantastic agreement to make the program, and I know that this is absolutely untrue.",4718.54,4730.96,{"idx":5059,"utterance_id":5060,"speaker_name":69,"text":5061,"start_s":5062,"end_s":5063,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},838,"214640","I begin this penultimate block here with the following question.",4731.58,4734.14,{"idx":5065,"utterance_id":5066,"speaker_name":69,"text":5067,"start_s":5068,"end_s":5069,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},839,"214641","Your son closed a rare and very successful deal with the company Telemar, selling his games company's stake to Telemar.",4734.24,4746.54,{"idx":5071,"utterance_id":5072,"speaker_name":69,"text":5073,"start_s":5074,"end_s":5075,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},840,"214642","And that was heavily criticized.",4746.88,4748.1,{"idx":5077,"utterance_id":5078,"speaker_name":69,"text":5079,"start_s":5080,"end_s":5081,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},841,"214643","How do you view that, Mr. President?",4748.4,4749.36,{"idx":5083,"utterance_id":5084,"speaker_name":69,"text":5085,"start_s":5086,"end_s":5087,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},842,"214644","Don't you think there is a conflict of interest, Mr. President?",4749.38,4751.7,{"idx":5089,"utterance_id":5090,"speaker_name":69,"text":5091,"start_s":5092,"end_s":5093,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},843,"214645","Did the fact that he is the son of the President of the Republic in any way influence that deal?",4751.76,4757.12,{"idx":5095,"utterance_id":5096,"speaker_name":69,"text":5097,"start_s":5098,"end_s":5099,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},844,"214646","Don't you think that the son of the President of the Republic, while he shouldn't have any special privileges, also shouldn't be forbidden from living his life?",4757.7,4766.8,{"idx":5101,"utterance_id":5102,"speaker_name":69,"text":5103,"start_s":5104,"end_s":5105,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},845,"214647","Because it's absurd.",4768.84,4770.04,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5107,"speaker_name":69,"text":5108,"start_s":5109,"end_s":5110,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},"214648","The Securities and Exchange Commission investigated 30 Telemar contracts after that allegation.",4770.54,4777.26,{"idx":5112,"utterance_id":5113,"speaker_name":69,"text":5114,"start_s":5115,"end_s":5116,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},847,"214649","All of them!",4777.62,4778.06,{"idx":5118,"utterance_id":5119,"speaker_name":69,"text":5120,"start_s":5121,"end_s":5122,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},848,"214650","They're all in order.",4779.14,4779.82,{"idx":5124,"utterance_id":5125,"speaker_name":69,"text":5126,"start_s":5127,"end_s":5128,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},849,"214651","All of them.",4780.28,4780.58,{"idx":5130,"utterance_id":5131,"speaker_name":69,"text":5132,"start_s":5133,"end_s":5134,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},850,"214652","None are irregular.",4781.26,4782.02,{"idx":5136,"utterance_id":5137,"speaker_name":69,"text":5138,"start_s":5139,"end_s":5140,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},851,"214653","Well, something done, you know, in a totally transparent, visible manner.",4782.04,4790.8,{"idx":5142,"utterance_id":5143,"speaker_name":69,"text":5144,"start_s":5145,"end_s":5146,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},852,"214654","There was no attempt to hide that it was being done, after all it's a television program.",4792.08,4797.26,{"idx":5148,"utterance_id":5149,"speaker_name":69,"text":5150,"start_s":5151,"end_s":5152,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},853,"214655","After all, they have a television show, which I can't name here because you'll say I'm doing product placement.",4798.7,4803.88,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":5154,"speaker_name":69,"text":5155,"start_s":5156,"end_s":5157,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},"214656","Actually, there are two.",4803.9,4804.66,{"idx":5159,"utterance_id":5160,"speaker_name":69,"text":5161,"start_s":5162,"end_s":5163,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},855,"214657","They're on broadcast television and on cable television, you know?",4805.22,4808.8,{"idx":5165,"utterance_id":5166,"speaker_name":69,"text":5167,"start_s":5168,"end_s":5169,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},856,"214658","And they're having extraordinary success, because they're getting much higher ratings than MTV.",4808.86,4814.68,{"idx":5171,"utterance_id":5172,"speaker_name":69,"text":5173,"start_s":5174,"end_s":5175,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},857,"214659","And if Telemar decided to buy, it's because it also believed it had an interest in making money.",4814.78,4821.92,{"idx":5177,"utterance_id":5178,"speaker_name":69,"text":5179,"start_s":5180,"end_s":5181,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},858,"214660","But the fact that Telemar has pension fund participation, I mean, doesn't that indirectly compromise it?",4821.94,4825.84,{"idx":5183,"utterance_id":5184,"speaker_name":69,"text":5185,"start_s":5186,"end_s":5187,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},859,"214661","To say that Telemar is a private company or a public company is, at the very least, a stretch.",4826.56,4832.1,{"idx":5189,"utterance_id":5190,"speaker_name":69,"text":5191,"start_s":5192,"end_s":5193,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},860,"214662","Everyone knows Telemar was privatized, everyone knows how it was privatized.",4833,4836.86,{"idx":5195,"utterance_id":5196,"speaker_name":69,"text":5197,"start_s":5198,"end_s":5199,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},861,"214663","No one has forgotten.",4837.92,4838.7,{"idx":5201,"utterance_id":5202,"speaker_name":69,"text":5203,"start_s":5204,"end_s":5205,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},862,"214664","And everyone knows that the pension fund does not take part in Telemar's management, because it cannot participate in two; it's already in Telecom.",4839.76,4845.82,{"idx":5207,"utterance_id":5208,"speaker_name":69,"text":5209,"start_s":5210,"end_s":5211,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},863,"214665","Everyone knows that.",4846.64,4847.44,{"idx":5213,"utterance_id":5214,"speaker_name":69,"text":5215,"start_s":5216,"end_s":5217,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},864,"214666","Now, my dear, how can I be against someone making an insinuation that something illegal exists?",4848.08,4856.08,{"idx":5219,"utterance_id":5220,"speaker_name":69,"text":5221,"start_s":5222,"end_s":5223,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},865,"214667","Only the investigation will prove whether it was legal.",4858,4860.94,{"idx":5225,"utterance_id":5226,"speaker_name":69,"text":5227,"start_s":5228,"end_s":5229,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},866,"214668","The Securities and Exchange Commission, investigating 30 of Telemar's contracts, said that none has any irregularity.",4861.52,4868.06,{"idx":5231,"utterance_id":5232,"speaker_name":69,"text":5233,"start_s":5234,"end_s":5235,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},867,"214669","Mr. President, an hour and a half ago you were moved and moved us as well when you spoke about the death of Vladimir Herzog, murdered by the dictatorship in 1975.",4870.04,4879.72,{"idx":5237,"utterance_id":5238,"speaker_name":69,"text":5239,"start_s":5240,"end_s":5241,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},868,"214670","We have now marked the 30th anniversary of his death.",4881.72,4883.92,{"idx":5243,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":69,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},869,"214671","The government did not speak out, did not pay any tribute to him.",4884.7,4888.54,{"idx":5249,"utterance_id":5250,"speaker_name":69,"text":5251,"start_s":5252,"end_s":5253,"word_count":164,"indexable":74},870,"214672","Don't you think it would be necessary for the government to also make a statement about this, Mr. President?",4888.8,4893.52,{"idx":5255,"utterance_id":5256,"speaker_name":69,"text":5257,"start_s":5258,"end_s":5259,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},871,"214673","Look, perhaps the government's day-to-day duties did not allow it to take action in its capacity as government.",4894.54,4903.9,{"idx":5261,"utterance_id":5262,"speaker_name":69,"text":5263,"start_s":5264,"end_s":5265,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},872,"214674","But I was the one who decided to ask Minister Dilma Rousseff, who is a former political prisoner, to attend the tribute to Flávio.",4904.1,4916.72,{"idx":5267,"utterance_id":5268,"speaker_name":69,"text":5269,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5271,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},873,"214675","Perhaps your reflection may lead us to take the initiative next year...",4917.02,4922.56,{"idx":5273,"utterance_id":5274,"speaker_name":69,"text":5275,"start_s":5276,"end_s":5277,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},874,"214676","One of them, sorry to interrupt, is the fact that the SNI documents remain kept under seven keys.",4923.32,4930.74,{"idx":5279,"utterance_id":5280,"speaker_name":69,"text":5281,"start_s":5282,"end_s":5283,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},875,"214677","Do you think that will be released, Mr. President?",4930.76,4932.08,{"idx":5285,"utterance_id":5286,"speaker_name":69,"text":5287,"start_s":5288,"end_s":5289,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},876,"214678","When?",4932.14,4932.4,{"idx":5291,"utterance_id":5292,"speaker_name":69,"text":5293,"start_s":5294,"end_s":5295,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},877,"214679","It will, it 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BIN.",4945.9,4952.18,{"idx":5320,"utterance_id":5321,"speaker_name":69,"text":5322,"start_s":5323,"end_s":5324,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},882,"214684","This is part of Brazilian history, therefore it has to go to the National Archives.",4952.52,4956.2,{"idx":5326,"utterance_id":5327,"speaker_name":69,"text":5328,"start_s":5329,"end_s":5330,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},883,"214685","Mr. President, you have always been a good political analyst; that's why you are, incidentally, the President of the Republic.",4956.64,4961.12,{"idx":5332,"utterance_id":5333,"speaker_name":69,"text":5334,"start_s":5335,"end_s":5336,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},884,"214686","In your assessment, in your analysis, will Deputy José Dirceu have his mandate revoked by the Chamber of Deputies?",4961.88,4969.18,{"idx":5338,"utterance_id":5339,"speaker_name":69,"text":5340,"start_s":5341,"end_s":5342,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},885,"214687","If so, do you consider the revocation to be just, Mr. President?",4969.46,4973.06,{"idx":5344,"utterance_id":5345,"speaker_name":69,"text":5346,"start_s":5347,"end_s":5348,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},886,"214688","Look, if you analyze it based on the set of information we have now, José Dirceu will have his mandate revoked by an eminently political decision of the Chamber of Deputies.",4973.08,4987.32,{"idx":5350,"utterance_id":5351,"speaker_name":69,"text":5352,"start_s":5353,"end_s":5354,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},887,"214689","Because if they are to remove him on the basis of evidence, so far there is no proof that convicts Zé do Seu.",4988.26,4995.16,{"idx":5356,"utterance_id":5357,"speaker_name":69,"text":5358,"start_s":5359,"end_s":5360,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},888,"214690","Now, how is Brazilian society going to understand, after five months, you know, of allegations and more allegations, that the National Congress will not remove Zé do Seu?",4995.8,5009,{"idx":5362,"utterance_id":5363,"speaker_name":69,"text":5364,"start_s":5365,"end_s":5366,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},889,"214691","We have already had a similar case.",5009.28,5010.84,{"idx":5368,"utterance_id":5369,"speaker_name":69,"text":5370,"start_s":5371,"end_s":5372,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},890,"214692","We had Yves Pinheiro.",5011.5,5013,{"idx":5374,"utterance_id":5375,"speaker_name":69,"text":5376,"start_s":5377,"end_s":5378,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},891,"214693","In the case of the CPI of the Dwarves.",5013.52,5014.9,{"idx":5380,"utterance_id":5381,"speaker_name":69,"text":5382,"start_s":5383,"end_s":5384,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},892,"214694","Now, look, since the CPI is still operating, I think the CPI has the maturity to make the decision.",5015.84,5023.72,{"idx":5386,"utterance_id":5387,"speaker_name":69,"text":5388,"start_s":5389,"end_s":5390,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},893,"214695","It will go to the plenary and the deputies will decide.",5024.28,5026.1,{"idx":5392,"utterance_id":5393,"speaker_name":69,"text":5394,"start_s":5395,"end_s":5396,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},894,"214696","I just want to say the following: up until now I haven't seen any list of evidence that would really lead to his being stripped of his mandate.",5026.76,5033.66,{"idx":5398,"utterance_id":5399,"speaker_name":69,"text":5400,"start_s":5401,"end_s":5402,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},895,"214697","Now, politically, I think Congress is bound to revoke Zé Dirceu's mandate.",5034.12,5039.56,{"idx":5404,"utterance_id":5405,"speaker_name":69,"text":5406,"start_s":5407,"end_s":5408,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},896,"214698","Matinas.",5040.38,5040.76,{"idx":5410,"utterance_id":5411,"speaker_name":69,"text":5412,"start_s":5413,"end_s":5414,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},897,"214699","Mr. President, there's a Corinthians supporter here, Heródoto.",5041.46,5043.58,{"idx":5416,"utterance_id":5417,"speaker_name":69,"text":5418,"start_s":5419,"end_s":5420,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},898,"214700","I wanted to ask you, Mr. President, do you think we already have our hand on the trophy?",5043.64,5047.22,{"idx":5422,"utterance_id":5423,"speaker_name":69,"text":3752,"start_s":5424,"end_s":5425,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},899,"214701",5049.12,5049.3,{"idx":5427,"utterance_id":5428,"speaker_name":69,"text":5429,"start_s":5430,"end_s":5431,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},900,"214702","Look, I don't know if you notice, I'm the only politician who admits the team I root for.",5049.98,5056.38,{"idx":5433,"utterance_id":5434,"speaker_name":69,"text":5435,"start_s":5436,"end_s":5437,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},901,"214703","Most say, 'I don't root for anyone; I root for everyone.'",5056.68,5059.18,{"idx":5439,"utterance_id":5440,"speaker_name":69,"text":5441,"start_s":5442,"end_s":5443,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},902,"214704","Some say they cheer for you.",5059.2,5060.88,{"idx":5445,"utterance_id":5446,"speaker_name":69,"text":5447,"start_s":5448,"end_s":5449,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},903,"214705","I'm a Corinthians fan and I respect my opponents.",5060.9,5065.42,{"idx":5451,"utterance_id":5452,"speaker_name":69,"text":5453,"start_s":5454,"end_s":5455,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},904,"214706","I think we're very close.",5066.24,5067.98,{"idx":5457,"utterance_id":5458,"speaker_name":69,"text":5459,"start_s":5460,"end_s":5461,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},905,"214707","Obviously we haven't won yet; there are five games left.",5068,5070.42,{"idx":5463,"utterance_id":5464,"speaker_name":69,"text":5465,"start_s":5466,"end_s":5467,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},906,"214708","If we win two more of these games, we'll have our hand on the cup.",5071.02,5074.36,{"idx":5469,"utterance_id":5470,"speaker_name":69,"text":5471,"start_s":5472,"end_s":5473,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},907,"214709","So I am a man... Do you think that injury... Look, I was the one who suffered.",5074.38,5082.58,{"idx":5475,"utterance_id":5476,"speaker_name":69,"text":5477,"start_s":5478,"end_s":5479,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},908,"214710","I belong to the generation that suffered with Pelé.",5083.32,5085.08,{"idx":5481,"utterance_id":5482,"speaker_name":69,"text":5483,"start_s":5484,"end_s":5485,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},909,"214711","I am from the humiliated generation.",5087.28,5088.94,{"idx":5487,"utterance_id":5488,"speaker_name":69,"text":5489,"start_s":5490,"end_s":5491,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},910,"214712","I used to leave Vila Carioca to go to Pacaembu and see Pelé humiliate my supporters, the Corinthians.",5089.66,5097.04,{"idx":5493,"utterance_id":5494,"speaker_name":69,"text":5495,"start_s":5496,"end_s":5497,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},911,"214713","When I saw Santos' team 7 to 1... That's why you have this... Finally, finally, you know, a little justice for the team.",5097.94,5110.92,{"idx":5499,"utterance_id":5500,"speaker_name":69,"text":5501,"start_s":5502,"end_s":5503,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},912,"214714","Well, it seems to be a flaw of yours, but you must have others, anyway, I don't know.",5110.94,5113.94,{"idx":5505,"utterance_id":5506,"speaker_name":69,"text":5507,"start_s":5508,"end_s":5509,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},913,"214715","Mr. President, with what image do you want to be remembered in the history of Brazil?",5114.14,5117.08,{"idx":5511,"utterance_id":5512,"speaker_name":69,"text":5513,"start_s":5514,"end_s":5515,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},914,"214716","I spoke with some businesspeople and they gave higher and lower ratings to your administration from 0 to 10.",5117.12,5122.34,{"idx":5517,"utterance_id":5518,"speaker_name":69,"text":5519,"start_s":5520,"end_s":5521,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},915,"214717","How would you rate your government from 0 to 10, Mr. President?",5122.74,5124.34,{"idx":5523,"utterance_id":5524,"speaker_name":69,"text":5525,"start_s":5526,"end_s":5527,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},916,"214718","First, a government cannot be reduced to a grade.",5124.4,5127.34,{"idx":5529,"utterance_id":5530,"speaker_name":69,"text":5531,"start_s":5532,"end_s":5533,"word_count":87,"indexable":74},917,"214719","If you recall, I never gave grades to governments when I was in opposition either, because I don't think you measure it with a grade.",5128.76,5134.8,{"idx":5535,"utterance_id":5536,"speaker_name":69,"text":5537,"start_s":5538,"end_s":5539,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},918,"214720","A government is a process in... what do you call it?",5135.64,5140.34,{"idx":5541,"utterance_id":5542,"speaker_name":69,"text":5543,"start_s":5544,"end_s":5545,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},919,"214721","It's a metamorphosis, that is, you're always evolving, always transforming.",5140.42,5145.14,{"idx":5547,"utterance_id":5548,"speaker_name":69,"text":5549,"start_s":5550,"end_s":5551,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},920,"214722","When I spoke about employment—almost 4 million jobs—when I spoke about Bolsa Família... when I spoke about economic stability, these are indicators that Brazil had long needed, with great solidity.",5146.04,5160.54,{"idx":5553,"utterance_id":5554,"speaker_name":69,"text":5555,"start_s":5556,"end_s":5557,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},921,"214723","And today Brazil has that with great solidity.",5160.56,5163.54,{"idx":5559,"utterance_id":5560,"speaker_name":69,"text":5561,"start_s":5562,"end_s":5563,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},922,"214724","And therefore, this is what will give credibility or not to the next steps the government intends to take.",5163.56,5170.84,{"idx":5565,"utterance_id":5566,"speaker_name":69,"text":5567,"start_s":5568,"end_s":5569,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},923,"214725","I think we will go down in the country's history in the way the people perceive us.",5171.7,5177.3,{"idx":5571,"utterance_id":5572,"speaker_name":69,"text":5573,"start_s":5574,"end_s":5575,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},924,"214726","It's not for me to decide how I'm seen.",5178.3,5179.6,{"idx":5577,"utterance_id":5578,"speaker_name":69,"text":5579,"start_s":5580,"end_s":5581,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},925,"214727","I'm not of the 'I love myself' crowd.",5179.7,5180.84,{"idx":5583,"utterance_id":5584,"speaker_name":69,"text":5585,"start_s":5586,"end_s":5587,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},926,"214728","'I love myself.'",5180.9,5181.38,{"idx":5589,"utterance_id":5590,"speaker_name":69,"text":5591,"start_s":5592,"end_s":5593,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},927,"214729","You know that 'I love myself' bunch?",5182.4,5183.56,{"idx":5595,"utterance_id":5596,"speaker_name":69,"text":5597,"start_s":5598,"end_s":5599,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},928,"214730","Everything they do is the best in the world.",5183.86,5185.32,{"idx":5601,"utterance_id":5602,"speaker_name":69,"text":5603,"start_s":5604,"end_s":5605,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},929,"214731","I'm not.",5185.74,5186.14,{"idx":5607,"utterance_id":5608,"speaker_name":69,"text":5609,"start_s":5610,"end_s":5611,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},930,"214732","I am not doing this for myself.",5186.96,5187.86,{"idx":954,"utterance_id":5613,"speaker_name":69,"text":5614,"start_s":5615,"end_s":5616,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},"214733","What I'm doing are aspirations I've nurtured my whole life, that I'm trying to build, knowing that it is not possible to change in four years.",5188.5,5196.84,{"idx":5618,"utterance_id":5619,"speaker_name":69,"text":5620,"start_s":5621,"end_s":5622,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},932,"214734","Structural errors of 500 years, of 300 years, of 200 years.",5197.28,5201.66,{"idx":5624,"utterance_id":5625,"speaker_name":69,"text":5626,"start_s":5627,"end_s":5628,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},933,"214735","But for the first time we are putting the poor on the global agenda.",5202.44,5206.6,{"idx":5630,"utterance_id":5631,"speaker_name":69,"text":5632,"start_s":5633,"end_s":5634,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},934,"214736","For the first time I am invited to Davos.",5208.08,5210.44,{"idx":5636,"utterance_id":5637,"speaker_name":69,"text":5638,"start_s":5639,"end_s":5640,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},935,"214737","To be present at the G8.",5211.34,5212.08,{"idx":5642,"utterance_id":5643,"speaker_name":69,"text":5644,"start_s":5645,"end_s":5646,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},936,"214738","I never thought of participating in the G8, because Brazil had fallen.",5212.1,5216.6,{"idx":5648,"utterance_id":5649,"speaker_name":69,"text":5650,"start_s":5651,"end_s":5652,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},937,"214739","And to put the issue of hunger on the table, to discuss hunger with the presidents of the world's most important countries.",5217.64,5222.86,{"idx":5654,"utterance_id":5655,"speaker_name":69,"text":5656,"start_s":5657,"end_s":5658,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},938,"214740","Suddenly you have the support of important presidents.",5223.38,5226.52,{"idx":5660,"utterance_id":5661,"speaker_name":69,"text":5662,"start_s":5663,"end_s":5664,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},939,"214741","Nowadays there's hardly an international meeting where the issue of hunger isn't raised and Bolsa Família isn't taken as an example.",5226.86,5234.02,{"idx":5666,"utterance_id":5667,"speaker_name":69,"text":5668,"start_s":5669,"end_s":5670,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},940,"214742","So that's an important thing.",5234.92,5236.32,{"idx":5672,"utterance_id":5673,"speaker_name":69,"text":5674,"start_s":5675,"end_s":5676,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},941,"214743","Do you know 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The Luz para Todos program is an extraordinary program.",5247.48,5254.54,{"idx":5702,"utterance_id":5703,"speaker_name":69,"text":5704,"start_s":5705,"end_s":5706,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},946,"214748","You go to Ilha Solteira, you find houses a few kilometers away on an island that didn't have electricity.",5254.56,5260.22,{"idx":5708,"utterance_id":5709,"speaker_name":69,"text":5710,"start_s":5711,"end_s":5712,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},947,"214749","We made the commitment to, by 2008, guarantee, through partnerships, 80% from the federal government, the rest from the state governments, electricity in the home.",5260.98,5272.5,{"idx":5714,"utterance_id":5715,"speaker_name":69,"text":5716,"start_s":5717,"end_s":5718,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},948,"214750","When you bring electricity to a home, you are taking the person out of the darkness.",5272.58,5276.4,{"idx":5720,"utterance_id":5721,"speaker_name":69,"text":5722,"start_s":5723,"end_s":5724,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},949,"214751","A woman in Vitória da Conquista said like this.",5276.8,5278.68,{"idx":5726,"utterance_id":5727,"speaker_name":69,"text":5728,"start_s":5729,"end_s":5730,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},950,"214752","For me, Mr. President, do you know what the first thing I'm going to do is?",5278.72,5282.44,{"idx":5732,"utterance_id":5733,"speaker_name":69,"text":5734,"start_s":5735,"end_s":5736,"word_count":151,"indexable":74},951,"214753","I thought she was going to buy a television; she said, 'No, I'm going to buy a blender.'",5282.92,5286.42,{"idx":5738,"utterance_id":5739,"speaker_name":69,"text":5740,"start_s":5741,"end_s":5742,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},952,"214754","I said, 'But 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simultaneously.",5330.44,5334.98,{"idx":5792,"utterance_id":5793,"speaker_name":69,"text":5794,"start_s":5795,"end_s":5796,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},961,"214763","You, in '99, said it would work even with ten, if necessary, and I agree.",5335.04,5339.2,{"idx":5798,"utterance_id":5799,"speaker_name":69,"text":5800,"start_s":5801,"end_s":5802,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},962,"214764","Now, every time a CPI arises, the big example was the Correios one, what happens is an effort by people connected to the government so that it won't go forward.",5339.88,5348.74,{"idx":5804,"utterance_id":5805,"speaker_name":69,"text":5806,"start_s":5807,"end_s":5808,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},963,"214765","We followed the formation of the Correios CPI and saw the effort made by ministers José Dirceu and Aldo Rebelo to, even, try to get Roberto Jefferson's signature withdrawn.",5349.32,5361.38,{"idx":5810,"utterance_id":5811,"speaker_name":69,"text":5812,"start_s":5813,"end_s":5814,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},964,"214766","Does the government want everything to be investigated or not?",5362.88,5365.82,{"idx":5816,"utterance_id":5817,"speaker_name":69,"text":5818,"start_s":5819,"end_s":5820,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},965,"214767","Because every time a CPI allegation arises like this one about Banco do Brasil, it is immediately discredited by someone from the government, like Deputy Abicalil.",5365.9,5375.36,{"idx":5822,"utterance_id":5823,"speaker_name":69,"text":5824,"start_s":5825,"end_s":5826,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},966,"214768","Why, when some complaint about Minister Palocci arises, made by the Public Ministry, is it immediately disqualified by someone from the government?",5375.98,5383.96,{"idx":5828,"utterance_id":5829,"speaker_name":69,"text":5830,"start_s":5831,"end_s":5832,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},967,"214769","So I wanted you to send the following message.",5383.98,5385.68,{"idx":5834,"utterance_id":5835,"speaker_name":69,"text":5836,"start_s":5837,"end_s":5838,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},968,"214770","Does the government want to investigate, is it ordering deputies to investigate or not?",5385.84,5391.1,{"idx":5840,"utterance_id":5841,"speaker_name":69,"text":5842,"start_s":5843,"end_s":5844,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},969,"214771","First, you must remember how many CPIs happened in the previous government.",5392.2,5400.3,{"idx":5846,"utterance_id":5847,"speaker_name":69,"text":5848,"start_s":5849,"end_s":5850,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},970,"214772","How many were pruned inside the National Congress.",5401.64,5404.78,{"idx":5852,"utterance_id":5853,"speaker_name":69,"text":5854,"start_s":5855,"end_s":5856,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},971,"214773","I, 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one.",5430.64,5431.32,{"idx":5882,"utterance_id":5883,"speaker_name":69,"text":5884,"start_s":5885,"end_s":5886,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},976,"214778","Do you want the Caixa 2 one?",5431.84,5432.66,{"idx":5888,"utterance_id":5889,"speaker_name":69,"text":5890,"start_s":5891,"end_s":5892,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},977,"214779","Do the Caixa 2 one.",5432.86,5433.44,{"idx":5894,"utterance_id":5895,"speaker_name":69,"text":5896,"start_s":5897,"end_s":5898,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},978,"214780","Also because I think this country will only... go through a process of purification when we are not afraid of investigations.",5434.56,5443.44,{"idx":5900,"utterance_id":5901,"speaker_name":69,"text":5902,"start_s":5903,"end_s":5904,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},979,"214781","Now, what is the caution?",5444.2,5445.48,{"idx":5906,"utterance_id":5907,"speaker_name":69,"text":5908,"start_s":5909,"end_s":5910,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},980,"214782","The caution is so that you don't make errors of haste.",5446,5450.54,{"idx":5912,"utterance_id":5913,"speaker_name":69,"text":5914,"start_s":5915,"end_s":5916,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},981,"214783","I am against the death penalty, because I think people can be innocent.",5451.1,5455.7,{"idx":5918,"utterance_id":5919,"speaker_name":69,"text":5920,"start_s":5921,"end_s":5922,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},982,"214784","So what I think is that every time there is an accusation against someone, first let's know what the degree of truth is, so that we can investigate with... The accuracy has to be investigated.",5456.38,5468.34,{"idx":5924,"utterance_id":5925,"speaker_name":69,"text":5926,"start_s":5927,"end_s":5928,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},983,"214785","And if it is established, you condemn the people, punish the people.",5468.8,5472.3,{"idx":5930,"utterance_id":5931,"speaker_name":69,"text":5932,"start_s":5933,"end_s":5934,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},984,"214786","This country has justice, has the Public Ministry, has prisons.",5472.68,5475.3,{"idx":5936,"utterance_id":5937,"speaker_name":69,"text":5938,"start_s":5939,"end_s":5940,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},985,"214787","You punish.",5475.32,5476.16,{"idx":5942,"utterance_id":5943,"speaker_name":69,"text":5944,"start_s":5945,"end_s":5946,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},986,"214788","What you cannot do is, a priori, condemn people.",5476.7,5479.56,{"idx":5948,"utterance_id":5949,"speaker_name":69,"text":5950,"start_s":5951,"end_s":5952,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},987,"214789","You can't.",5480.42,5480.84,{"idx":5954,"utterance_id":5955,"speaker_name":69,"text":5956,"start_s":5957,"end_s":5958,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},988,"214790","So, in this matter, I am a man who carries in my flesh the sense of justice.",5481.08,5487.98,{"idx":5960,"utterance_id":5961,"speaker_name":69,"text":5962,"start_s":5963,"end_s":5964,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},989,"214791","I've been beaten a lot.",5488.92,5489.82,{"idx":5966,"utterance_id":5967,"speaker_name":69,"text":5968,"start_s":5969,"end_s":5970,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},990,"214792","I've also hit a lot.",5490.92,5491.8,{"idx":5972,"utterance_id":5973,"speaker_name":69,"text":5974,"start_s":5975,"end_s":5976,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},991,"214793","And I think that... The more caution we have, the more judgment we have, the more sensitivity we have to analyze situations, however serious they may be, the more certain we will be in making the right decisions.",5493.02,5511.68,{"idx":5978,"utterance_id":5979,"speaker_name":69,"text":5980,"start_s":5981,"end_s":5982,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},992,"214794","we will have.",5512.12,5512.7,{"idx":5984,"utterance_id":5985,"speaker_name":69,"text":5986,"start_s":5987,"end_s":5988,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},993,"214795","Haste helps no one.",5513.06,5515.82,{"idx":5990,"utterance_id":5991,"speaker_name":69,"text":5992,"start_s":5993,"end_s":5994,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},994,"214796","That's why from time to time I criticize this... This suspicion that is created about the world every day, you say one thing today, tomorrow you don't say it anymore.",5515.94,5525.38,{"idx":5996,"utterance_id":5997,"speaker_name":69,"text":5998,"start_s":5999,"end_s":6000,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},995,"214797","Are there mechanisms to investigate?",5525.78,5528.1,{"idx":6002,"utterance_id":6003,"speaker_name":69,"text":6004,"start_s":6005,"end_s":6006,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},996,"214798","There are.",5528.16,5528.26,{"idx":6008,"utterance_id":6009,"speaker_name":69,"text":6010,"start_s":6011,"end_s":6012,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},997,"214799","Let's investigate.",5528.28,5528.78,{"idx":6014,"utterance_id":6015,"speaker_name":69,"text":6010,"start_s":6016,"end_s":6017,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},998,"214800",5529.4,5529.88,{"idx":6019,"utterance_id":6020,"speaker_name":69,"text":6021,"start_s":6022,"end_s":6023,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},999,"214801","And then we'll say that everyone will have the right to be tried decently in this country.",5530.82,5536.84,{"idx":6025,"utterance_id":6026,"speaker_name":69,"text":6027,"start_s":6028,"end_s":6029,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},1000,"214802","I know you'll also answer this question, 'we'll investigate,' but I have to ask it.",5537.2,5541.14,{"idx":6031,"utterance_id":6032,"speaker_name":69,"text":6033,"start_s":6034,"end_s":6035,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},1001,"214803","Last week's Veja magazine published an allegation that the PT received between 3 million and 1.4 million dollars from Cuban money.",5541.62,5549.9,{"idx":6037,"utterance_id":6038,"speaker_name":69,"text":6039,"start_s":6040,"end_s":6041,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},1002,"214804","And this week it publishes an interview with the pilot of the plane who allegedly brought this, who took, by the way, we are in Brasília, took here from Brasília to São Paulo, inland São Paulo, the crates of beverages where this money would supposedly be.",5550.56,5562.76,{"idx":6043,"utterance_id":6044,"speaker_name":69,"text":6045,"start_s":6046,"end_s":6047,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1003,"214805","How do you view this allegation?",5562.88,5565.04,{"idx":6049,"utterance_id":6050,"speaker_name":69,"text":6051,"start_s":6052,"end_s":6053,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1004,"214806","First, I cannot believe it.",5565.06,5567.02,{"idx":6055,"utterance_id":6056,"speaker_name":69,"text":6057,"start_s":6058,"end_s":6059,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},1005,"214807","There's no way to believe it.",5568.1,5569.42,{"idx":6061,"utterance_id":6062,"speaker_name":69,"text":6063,"start_s":6064,"end_s":6065,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},1006,"214808","Because I know the misery that Cuba is living in.",5570.28,5575.26,{"idx":6067,"utterance_id":6068,"speaker_name":69,"text":6069,"start_s":6070,"end_s":6071,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1007,"214809","The poverty Cuba is living in.",5576.22,5577.74,{"idx":6073,"utterance_id":6074,"speaker_name":69,"text":6075,"start_s":6076,"end_s":6077,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1008,"214810","We have a line of credit for Cuba to finance the purchase of soybeans and the purchase of milk for children.",5578.54,5585.76,{"idx":6079,"utterance_id":6080,"speaker_name":69,"text":6081,"start_s":6082,"end_s":6083,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1009,"214811","We are financing.",5585.78,5586.4,{"idx":6085,"utterance_id":6086,"speaker_name":69,"text":6087,"start_s":6088,"end_s":6089,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1010,"214812","I can't.",5586.42,5587.22,{"idx":6091,"utterance_id":6092,"speaker_name":69,"text":6093,"start_s":6094,"end_s":6095,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},1011,"214813","This is the kind of accusation, Marcum, that I find so implausible.",5587.68,5592.28,{"idx":6097,"utterance_id":6098,"speaker_name":69,"text":6099,"start_s":6100,"end_s":6101,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1012,"214814","Because a citizen says he did this, that he came here, that he carried the beverage and then found out it was money.",5593.62,5601.06,{"idx":6103,"utterance_id":6104,"speaker_name":69,"text":6105,"start_s":6106,"end_s":6107,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1013,"214815","Who told you it was money?",5601.12,5601.88,{"idx":6109,"utterance_id":6110,"speaker_name":69,"text":6111,"start_s":6112,"end_s":6113,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1014,"214816","A dead man.",5602,5602.38,{"idx":6115,"utterance_id":6116,"speaker_name":69,"text":6117,"start_s":6118,"end_s":6119,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1015,"214817","Oh, no way.",5602.52,5602.94,{"idx":6121,"utterance_id":6122,"speaker_name":69,"text":6123,"start_s":6124,"end_s":6125,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1016,"214818","But citizens, people linked to the Minister of Finance.",5603.38,5606.22,{"idx":6127,"utterance_id":6128,"speaker_name":69,"text":6129,"start_s":6130,"end_s":6131,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1017,"214819","I don't believe it.",5606.24,5606.88,{"idx":6133,"utterance_id":6134,"speaker_name":69,"text":6129,"start_s":6135,"end_s":6136,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1018,"214820",5607.44,5608.02,{"idx":6138,"utterance_id":6139,"speaker_name":69,"text":6140,"start_s":6141,"end_s":6142,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1019,"214821","I can say from the heart that I cannot believe that Cuba has money to give to the PT or to any other political party on planet Earth today.",5608.62,5618.28,{"idx":6144,"utterance_id":6145,"speaker_name":69,"text":6146,"start_s":6147,"end_s":6148,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1020,"214822","Based on your own assessment that Cuba today is living in misery, is living with economic difficulties, is it time to change the regime in Cuba?",5618.94,5627.46,{"idx":6150,"utterance_id":6151,"speaker_name":69,"text":6152,"start_s":6153,"end_s":6154,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1021,"214823","That is a problem for the Cubans, Matinas, for God's sake.",5628.3,5630.92,{"idx":6156,"utterance_id":6157,"speaker_name":69,"text":6158,"start_s":6159,"end_s":6160,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},1022,"214824","I cannot give an opinion on something that is pertinent to the Cubans.",5631.76,5636.58,{"idx":6162,"utterance_id":6163,"speaker_name":69,"text":6164,"start_s":6165,"end_s":6166,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},1023,"214825","If it depended on me, If it depended on me, Cuba would live under a more democratic regime like the one we live under here.",5636.6,5643.98,{"idx":6168,"utterance_id":6169,"speaker_name":69,"text":6170,"start_s":6171,"end_s":6172,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},1024,"214826","It doesn't depend on me, I have to at least allow the Cubans, in their sovereignty, to have self-determination.",5645.04,5651.72,{"idx":6174,"utterance_id":6175,"speaker_name":69,"text":6176,"start_s":6177,"end_s":6178,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},1025,"214827","This whole crisis demonstrated to Brazilian society that much of what the PT said was different from other parties was not.",5652.56,5662.26,{"idx":6180,"utterance_id":6181,"speaker_name":69,"text":6182,"start_s":6183,"end_s":6184,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1026,"214828","At least a good part of the PT leaders.",5663.34,5666.06,{"idx":6186,"utterance_id":6187,"speaker_name":69,"text":6188,"start_s":6189,"end_s":6190,"word_count":156,"indexable":74},1027,"214829","in that period, in that recent period, had practices that are not acceptable in any way, regardless of whether we prejudge or not.",5666.66,5675.16,{"idx":6192,"utterance_id":6193,"speaker_name":69,"text":6194,"start_s":6195,"end_s":6196,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1028,"214830","And you, as someone who knows the party deeply, after all, the idea was yours, you who worked hardest, I wanted you to explain, if that is possible,",5675.66,5683.66,{"idx":6198,"utterance_id":6199,"speaker_name":69,"text":6200,"start_s":6201,"end_s":6202,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1029,"214831","why do 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conduct.",5691.96,5693.48,{"idx":6234,"utterance_id":6235,"speaker_name":69,"text":6236,"start_s":6237,"end_s":6238,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1035,"214837","And, finally, so we don't end the program",5693.54,5695.64,{"idx":6240,"utterance_id":6241,"speaker_name":69,"text":6242,"start_s":6243,"end_s":6244,"word_count":181,"indexable":74},1036,"214838","just with that observation, what do you think will happen to the PT from now on?",5696.3,5702.02,{"idx":6246,"utterance_id":6247,"speaker_name":69,"text":6248,"start_s":6249,"end_s":6250,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},1037,"214839","Look, I confess I don't know why people went down that path.",5702.04,5708.76,{"idx":6252,"utterance_id":6253,"speaker_name":69,"text":6254,"start_s":6255,"end_s":6256,"word_count":89,"indexable":74},1038,"214840","I don't know.",5709.64,5710.42,{"idx":6258,"utterance_id":6259,"speaker_name":69,"text":6260,"start_s":6261,"end_s":6262,"word_count":188,"indexable":74},1039,"214841","I believe time will ensure that we all come to know the absolute truth.",5710.98,5717.5,{"idx":6264,"utterance_id":6265,"speaker_name":69,"text":6266,"start_s":6267,"end_s":6268,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1040,"214842","What made a leader like Denudo outsource finances?",5719.2,5723.66,{"idx":6270,"utterance_id":6271,"speaker_name":69,"text":6272,"start_s":6273,"end_s":6274,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1041,"214843","You know?",5724.86,5725.1,{"idx":6276,"utterance_id":6277,"speaker_name":69,"text":6278,"start_s":6279,"end_s":6280,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},1042,"214844","when it's a matter of the utmost responsibility.",5725.42,5728.14,{"idx":6282,"utterance_id":6283,"speaker_name":69,"text":6284,"start_s":6285,"end_s":6286,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1043,"214845","So this will be investigated.",5728.92,5730.88,{"idx":6288,"utterance_id":6289,"speaker_name":69,"text":6290,"start_s":6291,"end_s":6292,"word_count":170,"indexable":74},1044,"214846","As for what will happen to the PT, we saw a bit of what happened at the PED.",5731.52,5735.56,{"idx":6294,"utterance_id":6295,"speaker_name":69,"text":6296,"start_s":6297,"end_s":6298,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1045,"214847","Many people thought the PT was dead, and more than 320,000 people showed up to vote in the party's internal contest.",5736.66,5746.4,{"idx":6300,"utterance_id":6301,"speaker_name":69,"text":6302,"start_s":6303,"end_s":6304,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},1046,"214848","It means the party has a lot of momentum.",5746.6,5750.42,{"idx":6306,"utterance_id":6307,"speaker_name":69,"text":6308,"start_s":6309,"end_s":6310,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1047,"214849","The party has more drive than Carlos Tevez.",5750.44,5753.88,{"idx":6312,"utterance_id":6313,"speaker_name":69,"text":6314,"start_s":6315,"end_s":6316,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1048,"214850","The party has strength, because it knows it made mistakes — it was some comrades, not the party as a whole, 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My whole life, the only legacy I want to leave my children is the right to walk with their heads held high.",5842.48,5855.92,{"idx":6407,"utterance_id":6408,"speaker_name":69,"text":6409,"start_s":6410,"end_s":6411,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},1064,"214866","It's being able to look ahead.",5856.92,5857.92,{"idx":6413,"utterance_id":6414,"speaker_name":69,"text":6415,"start_s":6416,"end_s":6417,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},1065,"214867","It's being able to treat people, when I'm no longer president, with the same warmth that I showed before becoming president.",5858.58,5864.74,{"idx":6419,"utterance_id":6420,"speaker_name":69,"text":6421,"start_s":6422,"end_s":6423,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1066,"214868","It's being called 'comrade' and calling others 'comrade'.",5865.16,5868.16,{"idx":6425,"utterance_id":6426,"speaker_name":69,"text":6427,"start_s":6428,"end_s":6429,"word_count":132,"indexable":74},1067,"214869","I'm sure... that it has been worth it because we've been in 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